"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002296fd01ff7d1e4c10931762e75ebc85fe\u0022\u003ETuesday, 7 December 2004\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022046ad7c8d6b442709209cc3174167a71\u0022\u003ETuesday, 7 December 2004\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000002\u0022\u003EMr Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002204eb909469c648e08af445f425dccff1\u0022\u003EVisitors\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002287eac01f031b420a98cc2eda6f964e40\u0022\u003EParliamentarians for Global Action\u201426th Annual Forum\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022 data-id=\u002269af6069acad4df5a1f1c747917b9fe3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002269af6069acad4df5a1f1c747917b9fe3\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I have much pleasure in informing members that participants in the Parliamentarians for Global Action\u2019s 26th Annual Forum and Consultative Assembly on the International Criminal Court and the Rule of Law are within the precincts of this Chamber. There are over 130 members of Parliament from 60 countries attending and I am sure that members would wish they be welcomed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022578294d39f5a455e92ce318ffb6eaa5f\u0022\u003EPoints of Order\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002242e62658393d411b877c2393d9283a4f\u0022\u003EAssistant Speaker Simich\u2014Ruling Questioned by Member\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022 data-id=\u0022f0061f11615042449d9eb02dc12ab575\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f0061f11615042449d9eb02dc12ab575\u0022\u003ERODNEY HIDE (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I want to raise with you a point of order about questioning the decisions of the Speaker. We in the ACT party were surprised by this, and I am sure that other parties will be surprised, as well. On 2 December the Hon Jim Sutton wrote you a letter questioning the decision made by the Assistant Speaker Mr Clem Simich. It is a longstanding convention that a Speaker\u2019s decision cannot be questioned. As I read the letter, it definitely questions the ruling of Assistant Speaker Simich. Not only that, it is written in a way that carries a veiled threat from a Minister of the Crown to the Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003EI notice that the letter states that the Minister approached the Clerk about what he considered to be a failure to have his honour protected. The Clerk advised that there was a proper procedure to follow. The Minister certainly was not advised that the proper procedure was to write a private letter to the Speaker questioning the judgment of an Assistant Speaker. I make the point that we learnt of this letter only because Mr Sutton\u2019s office inadvertently sent it to Mr Eckhoff, and then\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261b702cea02642078219278a19381fce\u0022\u003ESimon Power\u003C/span\u003E: Outrageous!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002218e9fce8d4014ebcb13fa2e7fcdd264c\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I did not hear any word said that was outrageous. [Interruption] If there is any more interjection, the member will leave.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff96f705d6cb40c490829bcca6f4b486\u0022\u003ERODNEY HIDE\u003C/span\u003E: The letter was sent to Mr Gerrard Eckhoff, and Mr Sutton\u2019s secretary tried to retrieve it. Mr Eckhoff then wrote to you about what he considered to be an abuse of the process. You wrote back on 6 December and said that you actually encourage this!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003EWe would like to know when it became a rule of the House that, when a Minister is upset with a decision of an Assistant Speaker, he or she can write a private communication to the Speaker complaining about it. I would like to know just how many of these letters you have had and whether you intend this process to continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022 data-id=\u00223cd8eafe4cbd46f894b6846f9695adb3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223cd8eafe4cbd46f894b6846f9695adb3\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Members are perfectly at liberty to write to me, and I have been written to often by many members. I have replied to Mr Eckhoff.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b0d8b0e0-3ece-4865-9145-5eb5983fc54c\u0022 data-id=\u0022a3530d0704924f8098f409cb610ef0a2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b0d8b0e0-3ece-4865-9145-5eb5983fc54c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a3530d0704924f8098f409cb610ef0a2\u0022\u003EHon RICHARD PREBBLE (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f40f5eef66d47eebc5adbb1a66c00b4\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I presume this is about this matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b0d8b0e0-3ece-4865-9145-5eb5983fc54c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002211d508a7a9fd4fd4ab807a82c32603fb\u0022\u003EHon RICHARD PREBBLE\u003C/span\u003E: It is about this matter. I am interested to hear that many members write you letters. As it is a matter of interest to the House, I invite you to table them all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef76ef59e5264b25bfe2d20aa8d9d7fd\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I will not be doing that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022 data-id=\u0022b17530fb12d14186bad28f2fd6e59111\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b17530fb12d14186bad28f2fd6e59111\u0022\u003ERODNEY HIDE (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c19b010c2324c128dcf9f42b0b1583b\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I am not taking this any further. I have made my ruling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022106952b54d77402980b15b2593d0578e\u0022\u003ERODNEY HIDE\u003C/span\u003E: I seek the leave of the House to table the Hon Jim Sutton\u2019s letter to you, Mr Eckhoff\u2019s letter to you, and the letter that you wrote in reply to Mr Eckhoff.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003EDocuments, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022200009b58d6644a1a35c0f622285bcff\u0022\u003EAhmed Zaoui\u2014Birthday\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226e7bfee5-ac9c-4ae2-b85d-7d3b7a785561\u0022 data-id=\u0022c06b452a15514dc28fbf877e87546944\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e7bfee5-ac9c-4ae2-b85d-7d3b7a785561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c06b452a15514dc28fbf877e87546944\u0022\u003EROD DONALD (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to move a non-debatable, non-controversial motion that this House extend its best wishes to Ahmed Zaoui on his 44th birthday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022 data-id=\u002216f644b274d144e0b4a41311fe7e5240\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002216f644b274d144e0b4a41311fe7e5240\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is. [Interruption] Those balloons will now be removed. The point has been made, and the balloons will be removed or the member will be, too.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219386ba0-5a6e-485e-abc0-5a3128b4e1f6\u0022 data-id=\u0022b09fe436c965422fa3671134379ad7ea\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219386ba0-5a6e-485e-abc0-5a3128b4e1f6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b09fe436c965422fa3671134379ad7ea\u0022\u003EHon KEN SHIRLEY (Whip\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. You asked that the balloon be removed. I take it you meant removed from the Chamber\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022211a41fe517b41d1916d847ae6122f5c\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Removed from my sight.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219386ba0-5a6e-485e-abc0-5a3128b4e1f6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224726da0bf4f143c6823885705e3a845c\u0022\u003EHon KEN SHIRLEY\u003C/span\u003E:\u2014because could it not burst and cause some alarm? It is still here in the Chamber.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022 data-id=\u0022970b53690ab34b9593e7064645d6360d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022970b53690ab34b9593e7064645d6360d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I have now had enough. In the presence of so many distinguished parliamentarians, I think that some people\u2019s conduct is a little bit silly today. That point has been made. The balloons will not be shown here. If there is any noise, the members concerned will leave the Chamber.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00225c41b02d3424426b9b21d8ea88ffce8e\u0022\u003EQuestions for Oral Answer\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022aa78395c27774bdba4389db7a5942eb7\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223a99209e675f432693611f9b1526aaec\u0022\u003ESecurity\u2014New Zealand Law\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002260687f7b4ebe4349a2cd361d43d15403\u0022\u003E1. DAIL JONES (NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Is she confident that New Zealand law is sufficient to ensure our national security is protected; if not, what action is she willing to take to rectify this situation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022 data-id=\u00225dbfa4ee38de4997b26f8f603d7f952f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225dbfa4ee38de4997b26f8f603d7f952f\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E The Government has undertaken many initiatives, including passing new laws, to enhance national security, particularly since September 11. In respect of the law governing certificates of security risk, that law was passed in 1998 with a view to enhancing national security. I await the outcome of court processes to see whether the design of that legislation is sufficiently robust.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022efb55b2b740a496ba9a0aeafb5af80d4\u0022\u003EDail Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Prime Minister, as Minister in charge of the NZ Security Intelligence Service, act with urgency to ensure that the person, Mr Zaoui, whom the Security Intelligence Service regards as a national security risk, is deported when that is found to be the case\u2014as it was in several European nations\u2014or is it the case that the Government has been wrong all along in its assessment of Ahmed Zaoui?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee4881fd755e43568ad37daa9a328685\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: The Government, as such, has not determined that Mr Zaoui should be the subject of a certificate. That is a statutory decision made by the Director of Security. As I have said on many occasions, I regard the protracted procedures around this matter as quite unsatisfactory, and when the Zaoui case is complete, there will certainly be a review of the law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8383f38-c78c-4e5d-8324-677d91e95c49\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002275e72678d9864180a7a79c11549ce249\u0022\u003EKeith Locke\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister not agree that in our country, rather than the security risk certificate being a statutory decision of the Security Intelligence Service, the SIS has no powers, and it was the Minister who put the security risk certificate into effect, on the advice of the Security Intelligence Service because our service has only an advisory role, and that the Minister can lift that security risk certificate at any time, so why does the Minister not do so?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fe95261e3f5e4feca453ab5093633916\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: There were four questions there. Two may be answered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b183c1fe548430eade60447b5e772c4\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: I do not think the member is particularly conversant with Part 4A of the Immigration Act. The director, on his own statutory authority, issued the certificate. The Minister of Immigration made a preliminary decision to rely on it, while processes relating to its review were put in place. The length of time around those processes is completely unsatisfactory, and I would not think that was envisaged when the law was passed in 1998. That is why there must be a review when the matter is concluded.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d5d08515802c4178908aa90101d8c767\u0022\u003EHon Tony Ryall\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister believe that Ahmed Zaoui is a risk to national security; yes or no?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228946b9b26ee4ac892df37bb95b742db\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: On no occasion have I offered an opinion on the substance of this case, and I will not be doing so in the House today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d48e6a25b6e24c87849b5defa69e4586\u0022\u003EStephen Franks\u003C/span\u003E: If Mr Zaoui is being held to protect our national security, why does the Prime Minister not call on our long tradition of cross-party unity on matters of national security to pass law now to fill the gap that the Supreme Court claims to have held; and, if she does not, is she simply putting the Supreme Court\u2019s ambitions ahead of our national security?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295038c733212433ab050ff0d5c86c39e\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: As I have always said, at the end of this case, whenever it is concluded, there will be a review and I look forward to the ACT party\u2019s collaboration on that, at that time. What is clear in the Zaoui case is that the Government has always acted on legal advice. The Supreme Court has invoked what it calls an inherent jurisdiction. The Government does not have an inherent jurisdiction\u2014it can only administer the law as it is advised that it stands.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dca624d640c442a0bac69586bc1d8f9a\u0022\u003EDail Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Why then, if the Prime Minister is not satisfied that the law is sufficient, are we in a situation where an issue of national security is being left up to a fledgling, and largely untested, final court of our judicial system to sort out, when it is clear that as the Minister in charge of the NZ Security Intelligence Service she should hold the ultimate responsibility for issues of national security and act before that final decision is made?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b54fdd9d2a2148b8adb3a31e47646443\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: I do not think that would be a sensible procedure. I have long signalled that I do not believe that the processes around Part 4A work satisfactorily. They are taking far too long. It is also clear to me that we need, as a Parliament, to be much more specific and precise with legislation from this time forth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022539dd4120a2849cdb788a3915b328170\u0022\u003EPeter Brown\u003C/span\u003E: Is it not a fact that the Government, in order to divert media and public attention from the Zaoui case and its own disastrous handling of it, is introducing the Civil Union Bill and pushing it through under urgency so that the media, with some mishap, will not notice that Zaoui is about to be released?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ae4556d3fb434e4d9b1e781373e41d7a\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: The only suggestion that would be funnier than that would be if Mr Zaoui were about to apply for a civil union.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224333c0e60013442dba13d9a71bef5875\u0022\u003EPeter Brown\u003C/span\u003E: In noting Rod Donald\u2019s motion earlier on, I seek leave to make a recommendation to the Minister of Finance that he buys Mr Zaoui a one-way ticket to anywhere he wants to go, that it is non-returnable, and for anybody who wants to take him\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022684048917646424196937d633c9ff848\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that direction. Is there any objection? There is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228e4c764e54d44ba98abf0ef9dd951eb5\u0022\u003EAdoption\u2014Same-sex Couples\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a026cca9579e4461988161a8f71e952b\u0022\u003EMURRAY SMITH (United Future)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Justice: Is the Government intending to introduce legislation to allow same-sex couples to adopt children; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022 data-id=\u0022d4cd51005daf46a0a381b82876cda05f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d4cd51005daf46a0a381b82876cda05f\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Associate Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E No, no change has been considered at this time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aaea90d0cc6f4c3bb2e20f682d2a89b5\u0022\u003EMurray Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Is it the Minister\u2019s view that those who adopt children should be in a stable relationship, and if so, does he believe that a civil union would be akin to marriage in that respect?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296d37205bdd5426083989159a1962892\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE\u003C/span\u003E: I do believe that those applying to adopt children should be in stable and responsible relationships, but there are a number of inconsistencies in our current adoption law that do need to be addressed at some time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b41b107dcce41e394b43c199c03b5ae\u0022\u003EMoana Mackey\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Civil Union Bill or the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill have an impact on who can adopt a child?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ece5eb6c76eb4fd6a76e6d06fafb5a95\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE\u003C/span\u003E: No, the Civil Union Bill and the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill contain no references to, and therefore do not change, who is legally eligible to adopt a child.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b15f3b664a774da8907ac822570cf4c5\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister aware of the statement by Labour MP Georgina Beyer that she wants new laws to specifically recognise transgender people, and not just men and women, in New Zealand; and is that the next stage of social engineering that we can expect from this Labour Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1ca6a54cbd3461d93226f5b861525d5\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE\u003C/span\u003E: I am aware of my colleague\u2019s statement. This Government, however, is not involved in social engineering. I would say, though, in regard to adoption that substantive reviews of New Zealand adoption laws were initiated, but discontinued, in 1979, 1987, 1988, and 1990. One day we may be able to address that issue responsibly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022075f304a9d044d78bcccb8b891ae02e2\u0022\u003EDail Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister seriously trying to tell the House that in the event of the Civil Union Bill being passed, those parties\u2014men and men, and women and women\u2014will not rely on the new legislation to try to convince a court that their status has been approved by Parliament, and that that gives them a better opportunity to adopt children?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c4a3538bfb747e5b851b9e560625c68\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281a8510bf0f541c08983386d14183c60\u0022\u003EMurray Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Why has the Government not considered the issue of adoption, given the Government\u2019s commitment to amend all remaining laws that cause unfair discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation or gender identity?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002269f48b6248104e1dae7501aaf619f772\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE\u003C/span\u003E: Our predecessor in Government, National, did ask the Law Commission to do some work on this matter, and subsequently the Government Administration Committee has also addressed the issue. That work, however, is not on the Ministry of Justice\u2019s 2004-05 work programme, and nor has it been considered by Cabinet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223133e6f8e9354f5b8c638cf3fe9043b1\u0022\u003ETaxation\u2014Reduction\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d48244fc-ceef-4ef5-9cee-851e4d439468\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278573dc8360d4e689ee5fb59900a1261\u0022\u003EDr DON BRASH (Leader of the Opposition)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Can she confirm that she has refused to rule out tax cuts before the next election, as reported in the Press; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022 data-id=\u00229ed80e71a1804e8486cae7eee09872d9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229ed80e71a1804e8486cae7eee09872d9\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes; to eliminate any possibility of the flip-flops for which the member is becoming known.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022855f57e53ef243f0a687bf7c41e0b892\u0022\u003EMurray Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. My question specifically asked the Minister why the Government was not going to amend the legislation. His answer simply was to restate that the Government was not planning to amend it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d87fee2b46cd445a8bc6292fdaaa1827\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Quite obviously the member has not been listening. We have now moved on to the next question, and the substantive answer has already been given. The member should be much more prompt than that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d48244fc-ceef-4ef5-9cee-851e4d439468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fe43f09f51274ba89d7043120ce3669b\u0022\u003EDr Don Brash\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Prime Minister tell the House why, when the Government accounts showed a surplus of almost $7.5 billion last year and are headed for a similar surplus this year, her Minister of Finance is using speeches to argue against the prospect of relief for New Zealand taxpayers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002274a2730a8e3b4ea689114f297ab944db\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: The member well knows that that is not a cash surplus. The member also well knows that this Government runs strong Budgets, not the sort of voodoo economics, borrow and hope, and tax slashing that the National Party stands for.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002233b14b077f3647408ede3b476bbde2e3\u0022\u003EPeter Brown\u003C/span\u003E: How does the Prime Minister justify such a huge surplus and still want to increase tax on petrol by 5c come next April?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9f946263ffb48dabd9ba901b0aec44f\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: The increases in petrol tax, of course, are designed to go to land transport provision, which is very important at this time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288fa4cf3eeb9436aaae1ab4b317567c3\u0022\u003ERodney Hide\u003C/span\u003E: Has she received any reports on what tax rate cuts should be given priority if there were to be any tax cuts; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b2d1d3f962c4bbcaddd14c610587b4c\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: No, and nor do I intend to start writing the Budget during question time today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af165908932b4861ad27b5e34c22da11\u0022\u003EGordon Copeland\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister recall signing off in 1999 a commitment that there would be no rise in income tax for the 95 percent of taxpayers earning under $60,000 a year; if so, will she ensure that that commitment is fulfilled by adjusting the income tax bands for inflation from $9,500 to $10,750, from $38,000 to $43,000, and from $60,000 to $68,000?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241dbd43b62574390b00a9554711bfec5\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: Yes and no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d48244fc-ceef-4ef5-9cee-851e4d439468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239ce9d62ae424c10a1a7823626482898\u0022\u003EDr Don Brash\u003C/span\u003E: If a $7.5 billion surplus is not enough to justify substantial tax relief, can the Prime Minister tell the House just how big a surplus her Government would need to run before New Zealand taxpayers could look forward to some tax relief?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224fd02aa20a7e46ea80ea459701c71b52\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: It is a matter of record that this year\u2019s Budget provides very substantial targeted relief for 300,000 working families\u2014the priority of this Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022351e2932538f4b3fa7a55a42f9479ec0\u0022\u003EGordon Copeland\u003C/span\u003E: Would the Prime Minister\u2019s answer of \u201Cno\u201D to the second part of my earlier question be changed if she was aware that in this House just a few weeks ago her Minister of Finance confirmed that if the tax brackets are not adjusted for inflation, tax is, in fact, being increased in real terms\u2014which would be a breach of her 1999 commitment?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220cf64d5315634be99f4daeea18f29db0\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: The short answer to the second part of that question is that, no, it would not. But I point out to the member that tax cuts equal spending. When a Budget is drawn up, one works out what is the best area to spend in. This year\u2019s Budget, which has implications for the next 2 years as well, clearly made the priority New Zealand\u2019s 300,000 hard-working families with children. They are our priority.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d48244fc-ceef-4ef5-9cee-851e4d439468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fdddfcf9b97c42cebeb57e393acd2419\u0022\u003EDr Don Brash\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Prime Minister recall suggesting that her Government would run a Budget surplus of 1 percent of GDP, and how, then, does she justify the surplus now approaching 5 percent of GDP?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e27b388af35497087087eb947048a4a\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: By the magnificent economic stewardship of this Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223aa8a98f82d14644a9bf8e1fa5046868\u0022\u003EGordon Copeland\u003C/span\u003E: I seek the leave of the House to table the Prime Minister\u2019s 1999 commitment stating that there would be no tax increases for those earning under $60,000.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b0d8b0e0-3ece-4865-9145-5eb5983fc54c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253ef1271a2794e10aa15383bdbd3d549\u0022\u003EHon Richard Prebble\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister willing to comment on the widely held belief that she is encouraging her coalition allies, the Progressives and United Future, to call for tax cuts, as this Government realises that it is simply not credible to ask for re-election with a surplus of $7.5 billion; and that there will be tax cuts next year\u2014something that we all know is coming?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b8061a590a04e21a12c2e33e03aa1c7\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: Of course I am willing to comment in response to the member\u2019s question. The suggestion that other support parties have been lined up to make certain suggestions has no substance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a5577d6d800b45a9a1881ae548324604\u0022\u003EAged-care and Disability Services\u2014Funding\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f8b92f47-d078-4e6a-b4c6-136913bda55d\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226a745949b51d4244b4097af8f6cd6a3d\u0022\u003ESUE BRADFORD (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Health: Does she accept that there is \u201Cevidence of chronic underfunding of the aged-care and disability sectors\u201D, as reported by the Health Committee; if so, what is she doing about it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022 data-id=\u002230e561548696434680395793b7588b5a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002230e561548696434680395793b7588b5a\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E Funding of the aged-care and disability sectors has been a longstanding issue. While this Government has injected extra funds into those areas, I accept that the issues are not yet resolved. However, I am committed to continuing to work with the sectors to see that they are resolved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f8b92f47-d078-4e6a-b4c6-136913bda55d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225785c409a13c443a93f6206fc3155b3c\u0022\u003ESue Bradford\u003C/span\u003E: What more is the Minister doing than that in the light of The Salvation Army\u2019s announcement last week that it is pulling out of the sector, and given there is an emergency community meeting taking place in Pahiatua tonight, where its charity-run 56-bed Waireka rest home faces imminent closure?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a37f86db2b0c437286fb85fc0bc1dcce\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON\u003C/span\u003E: The Salvation Army announced on Monday, 29 November that it was selling 12 of its residential centres as going concerns, that the residents would not be moved, and that the provisions it is putting in place would mean that all those residents, and indeed future residents, can be confident of the quality of their care.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221fb8d8db-3e96-49c7-ab1c-b7916a50e30e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d794c8947f9043b3b3e93151aa004c51\u0022\u003ESteve Chadwick\u003C/span\u003E: What has been the rate of increase in Government funding in the aged-care and disability sectors over recent years, and how does that compare with previous years?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8e3673c4c5b4f79989122591adecc33\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON\u003C/span\u003E: In the 4 years from June 2000 to June 2004, disability support services funding, which includes aged-care funding, increased by an average of $73.4 million a year. That is an average of $13.5 million more extra funding per year than was provided in the previous 4 years during the late 1990s.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b19efe5114d1499dba79ac4c125d5f1f\u0022\u003ESandra Goudie\u003C/span\u003E: Why should people such as the Stephens, who are unable to get their son David the secure care he needs, because of funding issues, or those people in the Hutt Valley who have had their respite-care hours slashed in half, have faith in this Minister to do anything for them when she has sat here on her hands for months while more problems occur?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229af7960f414a49f5996438dab76cf74d\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON\u003C/span\u003E: Unless the member has some extraordinarily new information, David Stephens is satisfactorily housed to both his level of satisfaction and that of his parents.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be45c8b5917c4a08b7e8a62e06ae9009\u0022\u003EBarbara Stewart\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Government intend to act upon the Health Committee\u2019s recommendation that the aged-care workforce be compensated for travel expenses and travel time; if so, when will this take effect, and if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002292e7a63f7eb145d0996bdd16589deb23\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON\u003C/span\u003E: We are still considering the recommendations of the select committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220d9640b0-d861-43d8-b321-e7ba56dbe362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc59901eabb84772bceec2e85af51dea\u0022\u003EJudy Turner\u003C/span\u003E: What progress, if any, has the Government made to fulfil the Health Committee\u2019s recommendation to ensure fully funded foundation skills training for sector caregivers, and what is the deadline for funding of this training?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287448c817c4e43ed8f16ac87aab4e335\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON\u003C/span\u003E: The Government is still considering the recommendations of the select committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aac60f4b0ac0423cb7bf79029b86e23f\u0022\u003ESue Kedgley\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister aware that if travel time from job to job, and vehicle costs, are included, home-care workers get paid on average only $5.11 an hour, and why is a Labour Government allowing a situation to continue where about 20,000 mostly female workers are being paid significantly less than the adult minimum wage, and are effectively subsidising the cost of home-based care from their own meagre Third World wages?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223028a09df92644a3b01119a6df943f2c\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I am aware of that information but only because surveys of the workforce were instigated under the Quality and Safety Project. Prior to that we had no such information.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f8b92f47-d078-4e6a-b4c6-136913bda55d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209fd33a6a32747349e8134d7d32061d9\u0022\u003ESue Bradford\u003C/span\u003E: What is the Minister\u2019s response to the Fair Share for Aged Care joint union campaign that is being launched in Wellington today, and what steps will she be taking to ensure that issues like staff turnover of up to 80 percent and a great disparity between hospital and residential-care wages are met before the industry simply collapses altogether?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fe25a1831cb84d9988eef202c5670bbe\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON\u003C/span\u003E: I welcome the input of unions, as I always have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f8b92f47-d078-4e6a-b4c6-136913bda55d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022caf2993bb5264ec19ecb6df2a9ed318b\u0022\u003ESue Bradford\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister concerned that the increasing reluctance of the community sector to provide residential care will leave the industry solely in the hands of private sector companies, which in some cases are more interested in capital gains from property than in the welfare of residents and staff, and what is her Government doing to stop the wholesale privatisation of this sector?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225334ac3647174b2aacbae6a125d26cb2\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON\u003C/span\u003E: No I am not, because I am confident that the standards that are required in the contract will ensure that regardless of the provider of the service, the appropriate level of care will be received by the residents.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022640fb8e8d4b04b17872b1cdb5f07ba76\u0022\u003ESandra Goudie\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table a press release dated 1 December 2004, \u201CHutt Valley families feel the strain of care cuts.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8a78621cdd845fe9aa385a58b68f713\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table that press release. Is there any objection? There is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022159cb9762f964ac29dc630b386ef9089\u0022\u003ESandra Goudie\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table \u201CNo place to turn for Kimberley resident\u201D, a press release regarding David Stephens.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d7b1a6d70914f57b834e9d761d8440a\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table that. Is there any objection? There is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be495028b8c649b783183eb3d68eafd7\u0022\u003ESandra Goudie\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table a letter from Mr and Mrs Stephens to the Hon Ruth Dyson, expressing incredible concern about the placement of their son.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022eb0d5406bb4642a596d5f7357eec799a\u0022\u003EChristchurch Polytechnic Institute of Technology\u2014Enrolment Evaluation\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d1b82b1e7194318987f35c94095c230\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (National\u2014Clutha-Southland)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education): Does he stand by his August statement regarding enrolments at Christchurch Polytechnic Institute of Technology that \u201Cthe commission will now be evaluating those enrolments, and I hope we arrive at a situation where the polytechnic does pay more money back.\u201D; if so, what progress has been made with that evaluation over the last 4 months?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022 data-id=\u0022d79b009ab282449a974675ab4a60a1cd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d79b009ab282449a974675ab4a60a1cd\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY (Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education)):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, I do stand by my statement. The Christchurch Polytechnic Institute of Technology gave a clear, public commitment in August that it would work with the Tertiary Education Commission to undertake a robust evaluation of the learner experience with the COOL IT programme. But I am not happy with the lack of progress, and nor is the Tertiary Education Commission, which is making that clear to the institute. I expect action in the immediate future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225eb6b360e7e8468aa90e9394ab69b9c4\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: Why has the Minister repeatedly given Parliament the impression that the Government is evaluating up to 13,000 potentially bogus enrolments, whereas the Tertiary Education Commission wrote to the Christchurch polytech in August, stating: \u201CThe TEC understands there is no legal basis for a request to undertake such an evaluation.\u201D, and \u201CThe TEC does not see this evaluation as a device for challenging past CPIT funding claims.\u201D; and therefore why are officials saying there is no basis for having an evaluation and that they will not be asking for the money back, when the Minister is saying in Parliament that he is?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228dfeb53f8570482d9b5fecbde41b8748\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY\u003C/span\u003E: As I have repeatedly said, there is an ethical question here. Public money must be accounted for properly. That means there needs to be an assurance that the enrolments at the Christchurch Polytechnic Institute of Technology that were publicly funded were funded properly and accounted for properly. To the extent that they were not, there is an obligation for that money to come back, and I am going to ensure that that is the course of action that takes place\u2014immediately.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229df41e27-6082-4bc7-9fda-bab499cb9246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224575d5e36fa9483cb0c95d447016042f\u0022\u003EHelen Duncan\u003C/span\u003E: What measures have been taken to ensure the problems about accountability for public money that arose in relation to the Christchurch Polytechnic Institute of Technology\u2019s online computing programme do not occur again?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022979fbd3a3ff64ba1ab0ca1373d8c3f42\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY\u003C/span\u003E: Funding for classification 5.1 has been capped. The rates have been cut. The Tertiary Education Commission has revised the funding guide\u2014it was released on the website last week\u2014to strengthen a number of requirements and make it clear that no inducements may be offered for publicly funded courses, regardless of the source of funding for those inducements. Providers now need to retain evidence of learner engagement, and the rules regarding early withdrawal from courses have been clarified. The Tertiary Education Commission has amended the equivalent full-time student calculation rate for the classification 5.1 courses comprised of self-directed learning, to ensure that clarity and maintaining consistency with other courses are transparent for all to see.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c9e88b7f94a640689e90a383c6a39aeb\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: Why is it that when that $15 million scam has been publicly documented, when there has been 18 months of bad publicity, and when he has a $50 million bureaucracy in place to police the tertiary sector, he has been able to do precisely nothing; and when will he stop giving the impression of a chihuahua savaging a wet lettuce leaf?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b01b15c2b80f4ad59d3b64f77aca99bb\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Apart from the last comment, the rest of the question is in order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cffd88a40def434ab74b2f62e2f20c5a\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY\u003C/span\u003E: I am happy the member thinks he is a wet lettuce leaf. That is what I think of him as too, so he is fairly accurate there. It is important that the member understands these are autonomous organisations that have to be given the opportunity to show they are responsible for public money. This organisation has failed. The waiting is over. When the member gets back to his office, he will find a press release that tells him exactly what is to happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022adf2e2ef01a04a36abbb27bb30e84a6d\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister assure the House, then, that he will be recovering most of the $15 million that the Government paid to Christchurch Polytechnic for a course that enrolled 18,000 people and that only 600 are known to have completed? Can he assure the House he will be getting money back?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297a5cb7a1af04ca0814f12ff24d64dd7\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY\u003C/span\u003E: As I have told the member, this is an ethical matter. Public money is involved, and I will ensure that it is evaluated and accounted for.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221e6d9a0343024f7099037f8d94a3beba\u0022\u003EModern Apprenticeships\u2014Implementation\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231519ba3b144494fb5b9311551442923\u0022\u003ENANAIA MAHUTA (Labour\u2014Tainui)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education): What recent reports has he received on the implementation of the Government\u2019s Modern Apprenticeships programme?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022 data-id=\u0022e1c4b1d3fa36496eb9b474958fc14839\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e1c4b1d3fa36496eb9b474958fc14839\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY (Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education)):\u003C/span\u003E Today I am able to announce that the updated figures on the Modern Apprenticeships programme mean we have reached a milestone of 7,000 Modern Apprentices. In September 2004 there were 7,088 Modern Apprentices, 500 more than our original target. That is an increase of 20 percent in the last year. Two industries\u2014building and construction, and engineering\u2014have reached the milestone of 1,000 apprentices in place each, and I compliment those industries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c65c5b6af63442e8a8bd4a741ba1609\u0022\u003ENanaia Mahuta\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm whether women and M\u0101ori and Pasifika peoples are well represented in the Modern Apprenticeships programme; if not, what steps is the Government taking to improve their under-representation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f28d27c8f5254550913a7f5ff6d108ba\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I can. Of the new apprentices, 14.3 percent are M\u0101ori, and there are now just over a thousand young M\u0101ori in the programme. Pacific Islanders\u2019 enrolment in the Modern Apprenticeships programme has increased dramatically in the last quarter of last year, and there has been a 30 percent increase in the enrolment of women in the last year. In addition, there are three projects to be announced by the Tertiary Education Commission in the immediate future to address areas of under-representation in the Modern Apprenticeships programme in order to make sure everyone gets a fair share in that fantastic programme.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022aa33fc4147ce4f07a0ac4f60a251cb20\u0022\u003ETaxation\u2014Household Income After Tax\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226dc0a14407134847b4aa65f5e3d67e8d\u0022\u003ERODNEY HIDE (Leader\u2014ACT)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: By how much has the average household income after tax increased in the 4 years since the 1999-2000 financial year, and what does this after-tax increase equate to when adjusted for inflation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022 data-id=\u0022f965219d82ad4b17b45f9d47b465930d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f965219d82ad4b17b45f9d47b465930d\u0022\u003EHon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E It is 10.1 percent, the same as the increase in the consumer price index, but Treasury noted that periods of high immigration and changes to household structure will tend to underestimate income growth. A more accurate measure is the average weekly wage, which increased by 14.2 percent over the period while, of course, employment also increased by 11 percent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220585583b1fb04e59ab8ffef0388dca0d\u0022\u003ERodney Hide\u003C/span\u003E: Can he confirm that Treasury\u2019s figures show that the after-tax income for the average household increased by $4,975 since 1999 but that when allowing for inflation of 10.1 percent, that figure goes right down to zero so that the average household is no better off after tax in real terms than 4 years ago?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022340c4ed977194e7b97c6e2c136557368\u0022\u003EHon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN\u003C/span\u003E: Treasury notes that in periods of high immigration and changes to household structure, this measure will tend to underestimate income growth. For example, in an elderly family, when one person dies, the household income falls. In a family with young people who are moving into tertiary education, if they stay home, household income goes up if they get a student allowance; if they leave home, the two new households have an average much lower income than previously.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220e63d962a8fb494f93525020b5572d59\u0022\u003EJohn Key\u003C/span\u003E: Why is it fair that in the last 5 years the average Kiwi worker has seen his or her real after-tax income rise on a cumulative basis by around 4 percent when the real increase in the Crown income over the same period has been seven times greater than that, at around 24 percent?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022838ec5f671344d27a1cc1b4cf864de9f\u0022\u003EHon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN\u003C/span\u003E: That is very fair because employment has increased by 11 percent, unemployment has dropped down to 3.8 percent, and health and education expenditure have increased by around 24 percent to 25 percent, which represents the social wage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002219cd6c64ffb148309452105155c55c85\u0022\u003EGordon Copeland\u003C/span\u003E: Would the after-tax income of the average household be further increased if couples with dependent children were permitted to split their income for tax purposes, in line with United Future\u2019s policy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e285bf8d75b44055a3b76b11850749fa\u0022\u003EHon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, but the impact of that would be very differentiated, according to the nature of the household income. People on higher incomes would tend to gain a great deal more\u2014particularly people in a household with one high income\u2014than people in households with two low incomes, for example. What is more, the Budget Policy Statement will show the operating surplus falling back to roughly the level required to fund contributions to the New Zealand Superannuation Fund, without the gross debt to GDP ratio rising over the long term.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d88903d996147ab86055dcb3d094d16\u0022\u003ERodney Hide\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm that his own reworked figures from Treasury show that the average household is no better off in real terms after tax than it was 4 years ago, but that the same average household is having to contribute an extra $3,200 in real terms to the Government; or is it the case that he does not really care how households are getting along?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d57ae17990fb4c49a43cd808d4dfbbd1\u0022\u003EHon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN\u003C/span\u003E: I think that the opinion polls confirm that this Government not only cares about these matters but that the public appreciates the nature of that caring. I can confirm that Treasury figures, based on a variety of different sources, suggest relatively low growth in real after-tax household income, but Treasury itself advises that immigration and changes in household structure mean that real growth has probably been higher than that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d34427f46b1b41d79090b5eff24ed293\u0022\u003EAuckland Motorways\u2014Congestion\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8c4c7cdf8114b24aa02b1ca94a81782\u0022\u003EHon MARK GOSCHE (Labour\u2014Maungakiekie)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Transport: What is being done to ease congestion on Auckland\u2019s motorways?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022 data-id=\u00222756224ff14f473891cad75b680594bf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222756224ff14f473891cad75b680594bf\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON (Minister of Transport):\u003C/span\u003E A lot\u2014for example, tomorrow I will open stage one of a project to improve the city\u2019s central motorway junction worth $56 million. Stage two, a $140 million - project, is already well under way and should be finished within 2 years. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022feb875a7928d45e989a01a13db7d773b\u0022\u003EHon Mark Gosche\u003C/span\u003E: How does expenditure on Auckland\u2019s State highways compare with that in previous years?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e60f28d098a41c9a85125e2f7d63626\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: By next year, annual funding of State highways in Auckland will have nearly doubled since the change of Government, and annual expenditure on public transport will have trebled, with Transfund spending in Auckland being comfortably over $1 million a day. The dismal years of neglect under the flip-flop, gridlock National Party are now long gone. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a11ce4e-9fb3-4738-b0be-5a9f81d975da\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c5925e091e6d4b4faea4aaeb12a6e600\u0022\u003EHon Maurice Williamson\u003C/span\u003E: Given that public-private partnerships were one of the most vaunted aspects of the Land Transport Management Act enacted over a year ago, can this Minister detail to the House just one example of a roading project that has been funded and/or owned, and/or operated by the private sector?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aed655f181b640c7b3d256d476dc186d\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: No, I cannot, but we are open for business.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cb5e591b-8ffc-4539-a900-1ee22224f7d7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229aa626e36c1a4ed0979afdf2607673bd\u0022\u003EDeborah Coddington\u003C/span\u003E: Why does the Government not ease Auckland\u2019s motorway congestion by allowing Whenuapai airport to be a second commercial airport in Auckland; or is the Government delaying on that because it is putting the interests of its own airline, a major objector to the airport, ahead of the interests of the thousands of Aucklanders who are stuck on the motorways every day?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220a4255d322e745bfb2f34aa9a59a3643\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: Current land transport analysis would suggest that the use of Whenuapai airport would neither help nor hinder land transport across the isthmus. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209278070-a54a-41e9-8a27-45166301277e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022493f7f0d0ac242feb00e865349093768\u0022\u003EJeanette Fitzsimons\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm that school walking buses and school travel plans are more cost effective than large motorways as a means of reducing car trips\u2014and, therefore, congestion\u2014in Auckland; if so, what steps is he taking to promote them in the rest of the country?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d614bc8fabbe4608847ebd0a22d21344\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: I cannot reflect on cost effectiveness, given that motorways do not reduce car trips; they induce them. But I can say that school walking buses are an extremely effective way of reducing congestion, and they give school children a bit of physical education in a personally secure environment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022559d254e002847e4b78d2cd15df3eee7\u0022\u003EVictim Support\u2014Restructuring\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb26fe59d9ea4c6eaa76514e069896c8\u0022\u003EHon TONY RYALL (National\u2014Bay Of Plenty)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Justice: What feedback has he received on the restructuring of Victim Support?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022 data-id=\u00226c4c46ceedde44c18b8dc839d8ac618f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226c4c46ceedde44c18b8dc839d8ac618f\u0022\u003EHon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E As an incorporated society and a non-governmental organisation, the New Zealand Council of Victim Support Groups determines its own constitutional and organisational structure. I am advised, however, that the internal changes being made by that organisation are supported by the vast majority, but not all, of its member organisations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cfae9b9ca0824d16b9a5ddc0c204d041\u0022\u003EHon Tony Ryall\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister prepared to stand by while large numbers of long-time volunteers in places like North Shore, west Auckland, and Christchurch depart, and what impact will that have on the services to victims in those areas?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c69edb620bae406da8c9421276d1b46a\u0022\u003EHon PHIL GOFF\u003C/span\u003E: I find it curious that a member of this House would want me to involve myself in the internal affairs of an incorporated society. The member has made an allegation that indicates that not all the groups affiliated to Victim Support approve of the restructuring. However, I am informed that it was carried out constitutionally and by an overwhelming vote of the members of that organisation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287dc384105124872b6769fe28cfb2fe1\u0022\u003ETim Barnett\u003C/span\u003E: What services does Victim Support provide in return for partial Government funding of the organisation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241b256ed524248c4a88f51a37d682eaf\u0022\u003EHon PHIL GOFF\u003C/span\u003E: Victim Support provides an incredibly important support service for victims on a 24-hour-a-day, 7-day-a-week basis. It works closely with the victims of crime. It visits victims and provides advocacy, information, support, and counselling. For that we pay a little over half of its funding, with the remainder of its funding derived from corporate support and the organisation\u2019s own fund-raising efforts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002270b78d9e89d94a11b62f19e1dc735542\u0022\u003EHon Tony Ryall\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister convinced that his decision to allow money that is voted for victims to be spent on new managers will provide better services for victims, and how will he know whether that occurs?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d310b7f791940d19f2d9a7e102f9735\u0022\u003EHon PHIL GOFF\u003C/span\u003E: I will answer the last question first. We will know whether that occurs because there is ongoing evaluation of the value for money that the Government gets from Victim Support, as there is with any organisation it funds. The first part of the question relates to the professionalisation of the organisation. I am aware that Victim Support previously operated through 70 different local groups. That was a somewhat unwieldy structure and it has now been reduced to 14, which represents the number of police districts in the country. We will be closely evaluating the success of that in terms of the funding that we provide to the organisation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022560aca15249e469fb0df151271e91487\u0022\u003ETauranga Harbour Link Project\u2014Tolls\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223df2bfc2aefa49dfac02a91df519b2aa\u0022\u003EPETER BROWN (Deputy Leader\u2014NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Transport: What issues, if any, will be presented to the people of Tauranga for consultation with regard to any potential tolling of the Tauranga Harbour link project, and what is the expected time frame for any such consultation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022 data-id=\u0022aac64c4f09e94fd1bbbd041f805b7105\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022aac64c4f09e94fd1bbbd041f805b7105\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON (Minister of Transport):\u003C/span\u003E The Tauranga City Council would lead such a consultation process in partnership with Transit, so I suggest the member directs the question to the council. However, I understand that consultation may well start before Christmas and run through into March of next year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022381cef78ba2146e6b7b983c19b441589\u0022\u003EPeter Brown\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Minister ensure that the consultation process informs the people of Tauranga exactly what any toll of the harbour link project will cover\u2014that is, whether it will cover the total infrastructure, which is estimated at $190 million, or just the local road component, which is the bridge, and which is estimated at $30 million? Will he ensure that the consultation process clarifies those issues?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e61666a79fe84476a2fdc485202e41b9\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: No. It is not my job to ensure that the consultation process starts off properly. It is my job to ensure that when the consultation process results are presented to me, I am satisfied that it was up to scratch.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a32741f31c1f4157bd1e9b1d1a22ba97\u0022\u003EHon Tony Ryall\u003C/span\u003E: If the entry on to the harbour bridge is a State highway, and the exit from the bridge is a State highway, why is the bridge not a State highway?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f657eb3252d64979bc398be57c35adf7\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: Again, the question is best directed to those responsible for designations\u2014in this case, Transit. However\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002284f9201d00944020b697455c54571a87\u0022\u003EHon Tony Ryall\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019re the Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b0a32c84966f4ae2a0aaf6c7a0ce9e9a\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Let the Minister at least finish his answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c2de9056128343e9aaa0e7e9c89dfba1\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: I will just say that I am not legally entitled to make such a designation, but I will go on and say to the member that it is also the case that the designation does not influence the likelihood that the bridge would be built sooner with tolling and later without.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219386ba0-5a6e-485e-abc0-5a3128b4e1f6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002292e6daa97eda4befbeb9c674cbb60e31\u0022\u003EHon Ken Shirley\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister received any submission whatsoever from the member for Tauranga on the Tauranga Harbour link project; if so, was that submission in support of the toll proposal, opposed to the toll proposal, or not clear?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bbaead7e6e234fa785efa96f90bc86a5\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I have. On the other hand, I have not received a submission from the member who asked the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219386ba0-5a6e-485e-abc0-5a3128b4e1f6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3589e4cd01349a0a8fe9f13dc9bdd9d\u0022\u003EHon Ken Shirley\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. My question was very clear and very specific. I asked whether the Minister has received a submission from the member for Tauranga and whether it was in support of, or opposed to, the toll proposal. The Minister made no attempt whatsoever to answer that question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205bc07334cfb4151a15a8fc500052acd\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: He started off by saying \u201CYes\u201D, which I think is certainly an answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fb58f5d92f88434489be04f61baece29\u0022\u003ELarry Baldock\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister assure the House and the good people of Tauranga that if the consultation process were as shallow and as flawed as the original questioner has suggested, when it came to the Minister giving his approval he would see that that issue was addressed properly?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f098b5d2c59a43c59e00d27520a3362d\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: The member is absolutely correct. I am responsible under the Land Transport Management Act for ensuring, prior to recommending approval of any tolling project, that the project meets the objectives of the Act and that it has a high level of public support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022492347f9e40d4d7796f4277dff5df53d\u0022\u003ETeaching\u2014Information and Communication Technology\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fd427be0-7196-4605-b39e-d665553240b0\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022578323d0641b40f7beb5fd69f6c4a3d5\u0022\u003ELYNNE PILLAY (Labour\u2014Waitakere)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: What steps is he taking to improve the use of information communication technology in teaching?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022f986892dcbb1430aaeae2a5bffe39480\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f986892dcbb1430aaeae2a5bffe39480\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Through Project Probe, we are investing $48 million to ensure that every school has access to broadband Internet, which is something that is appreciated, I think, even more in some of the rural constituencies\u2014a few held by the National Party\u2014than in the cities. Over 23,000 teachers have now picked up the offer to have laptops. We have 83 clusters of schools in the latest round of clustering for professional development. All this money comes in the group that Bill English says will be abolished.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fd427be0-7196-4605-b39e-d665553240b0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0590fcd8b7a4272a0d170f36db1e39c\u0022\u003ELynne Pillay\u003C/span\u003E: Why is improved use of information and communications technology important?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239ece30670664890a3e474a57f1db89d\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: Research is showing that information and communications technology has tremendous potential to improve teaching and learning outcomes. Getting it into rural areas, into rural communities, also makes those communities more secure, and makes it more likely that people will want to stay in them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5691fd46e054ae383798fa0a89620bd\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister not aware that schools, which are selling raffle tickets to pay for teachers, are becoming more and more concerned that the ministry does not administer properly the hundreds of millions of dollars in education expenditure for which it is responsible?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002289c0f807c0cb40b4875d7119815d5adc\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: I accept that some schools choose to use the flexibility given to them by this Government to use locally raised funds and operational funding to improve the ratios\u2014over and above the 2,500 extra teachers; over and above roll growth\u2014that this Government has put in. Of course, the National Party opposed that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022075eff2f-7904-4500-8339-3972160a627f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002226ece3cfb1b54313b0dcae258272720e\u0022\u003EJim Peters\u003C/span\u003E: When will the Ministry of Education\u2019s Project Probe, despite what the Minister has said, really demonstrate region by region online learning, skill development, and school collaboration, as the Minister has just stated, which were all objectives stated in each of the last 3 funding years?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1c51c9a9e7a4c30bdc9410b69878c1f\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: The member might have noticed that Project Probe is already making considerable inroads into schools around the country. I might say that some of the things he has described also relate to the need to have high-quality principals, which is something there has been some progress on in Northland in the last 3 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6640dcec3e145bf9ec976c97c310f46\u0022\u003EHon Brian Donnelly\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister aware that a rural school with a roll of approximately 380 that is currently paying $500 per annum for a dial-up modem connection will have to pay $8,000 to $9,000 per annum for the full SchoolZone package, which schools should have for the maximum benefit, and what is he doing to make up the consequential shortfalls in their budgets?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d76b8c259e84a648ff7e0adbf77b816\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: I think that the assumptions in the member\u2019s question are slightly out of date. They might have been true. Relying on some principals who want to have a system designed for Rangitoto College in a very small school is not necessarily appropriate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220dcaf6dcfdc24c21ac48a47e854722e2\u0022\u003EContaminated Sites\u2014National Fund, and Register\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022054e26318e004d519b3a5f6f6e660fee\u0022\u003ESUE KEDGLEY (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for the Environment: Will she be heeding the call of the Sustainability Council for a greatly expanded national fund to pay for the clean-up of historic contaminated sites, as well as a national register of sites and definitions of standards; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022 data-id=\u00229d678947287343509b56aad7a2070f32\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229d678947287343509b56aad7a2070f32\u0022\u003EHon MARIAN HOBBS (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E We are already working towards putting standards in place, local government holds registers of contaminated sites, and we will continue to review the adequacy of the Contaminated Sites Remediation Fund.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236a9d6ee39e2402fa9f23f4ed845ce44\u0022\u003ESue Kedgley\u003C/span\u003E: Does she accept the Ministry for the Environment\u2019s estimate that the clean-up of historic contaminated sites around New Zealand will cost around $1 billion, and does she accept that the present annual allocation of only $2 million a year is not only woefully inadequate, but will take, at this rate, about 500 years to clean up?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226ff12a7858764a29a228e3e45071be1f\u0022\u003EHon MARIAN HOBBS\u003C/span\u003E: No, I do not accept the ministry\u2019s estimate made in 1992 and 1995.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b2dde97e7164b2e8577de9bde76e13b\u0022\u003EDavid Parker\u003C/span\u003E: How has the Government demonstrated its commitment to dealing with contaminated sites?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fb21f82b6ef44e57a2ea10724dd49d1e\u0022\u003EHon MARIAN HOBBS\u003C/span\u003E: We have funded 13 projects to identify and remediate contaminated sites, including $10 million to clean up M\u0101pua and the Tui mine sites, but the potential risks are not so threatening that the clean-up on all sites has to start tomorrow. I agree with what Jeanette Fitzsimons said when we allocated money towards contaminated sites in 2002: \u201CBoth the Green Party and the Government are passionate about starting the hard work on contaminated sites. This Budget project will not clean up all our problem sites, but it will get us underway.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022142a6d30ccc54e878b8530f43e39e570\u0022\u003EPeter Brown\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Minister be precise: how much will it cost, when will it be started, and when will it finish?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202a836c3d77d4cc1a712fbcada3db3e1\u0022\u003EHon MARIAN HOBBS\u003C/span\u003E: The cost is not known, because the amount is not known. The work has started. That is the work being done by local government with support from the Ministry for the Environment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219386ba0-5a6e-485e-abc0-5a3128b4e1f6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9ad81ae9d42437583bd8fe7a3a611b3\u0022\u003EHon Ken Shirley\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister aware and concerned that the alleged copper contamination of residential properties in Auckland and elsewhere is based on concentrations that are regarded as safe and natural background levels elsewhere in the world, particularly with volcanic soils; and what, if anything, is she doing to defuse the emotive nonsense without committing the taxpayer and the ratepayer to massive unnecessary costs?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a03ecb3a5ecc4ed4a9210e33f1ddf43a\u0022\u003EHon MARIAN HOBBS\u003C/span\u003E: I am very well aware that copper used at certain levels can be nasty and it can persist in the environment, particularly when it is used, for instance, as an organic fungicide. But as such, I am not aware necessarily of the international controls on it. Our Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Act works in detail with the international organisations on this and other issues.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc16f094ad564159b76848d012288ec7\u0022\u003ESue Kedgley\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Government accept that companies like Dow Chemical should be held accountable for any toxic legacy that they create, and when will the Government hold Dow Chemical to account for poisoning some of the people of Paritutu and the environment?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d02f04854c1402180db2c60d593ac0f\u0022\u003EHon MARIAN HOBBS\u003C/span\u003E: I cannot comment on whether the Government would hold Dow Chemical to account, and I do not believe that such financial barriers as Simon Terry proposes are the way to go to prevent chemical mistakes or disasters in the future. It is far better to do that by regulation, advice, and education than by putting up a financial barrier to any development.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e9cad50bbc1a4df58062394cb53b6e56\u0022\u003ESue Kedgley\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Government agree, given its repeated support for the \u201Cpolluter pays\u201D principle in international organisations, that if companies like Dow Chemical are not held to account, and required to pay for the pollution they create, they will simply carry on polluting our land and our people, and expecting taxpayers to foot the bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217f0e8593529470dabf03152c5444c97\u0022\u003EHon MARIAN HOBBS\u003C/span\u003E: There is always a problem when people like Simon Terry and the Green Party ask for a \u201Cpolluter pays\u201D system based on a hazardous substance. Petrol is a potentially hazardous substance, and I believe that what the member is therefore asking for is a rise in the cost of petrol. My mother put chemicals on the roses. I do not think that putting a price or a liability on my mother for what she did to the roses would have prevented what she continues doing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243c73b61d97840aeb062119e531112aa\u0022\u003ESue Kedgley\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. It was interesting to hear about the roses of the Minister\u2019s mother, but my question was whether she agreed that if companies like Dow Chemical\u2014I was very specific\u2014are not held to account they will continue to pollute our environment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022014651a1-9604-485f-a1d1-4f752fff8c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022887a1cd1d1b747cca59b731c23532988\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, the Minister did address that question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f6b151e4dcd14d428a696bde2ae57c61\u0022\u003EMaiden Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002201c6a44e3bfc4705b39d8382174622b3\u0022\u003EMaiden Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022 data-id=\u00222ac81ccc187d4c1d9edd2a674481bd63\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222ac81ccc187d4c1d9edd2a674481bd63\u0022\u003EKENNETH WANG (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E It is an honour to be standing here before New Zealand\u2019s House of Representatives. The fact that I am, shows not only how diverse our Parliament now is, but my presence is a reminder that in this great country anything is possible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022\u003EBeing a member of Parliament is a privilege, not for its status, but for its responsibilities. While we who convene in this House are politically different, we all share the trust of the people who put us here. We owe it to them to serve with utmost honesty and commitment. That is my pledge. I will do all I can to shoulder the responsibilities people have trusted upon me, to serve the best interests of every New Zealander, and to represent those 145,000 people who gave their vote to ACT in 2002. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022\u003EI want M\u0101ori to get a fair go, I want P\u0101keh\u0101 farmers\u2019 land rights respected, I want Chinese working mums and dads to keep more of their hard-earned money, I want our young Pacific people to get a world-class education, I want our Indian businesswomen to keep a good margin, and I want those brave men and women who fought under our flag to get quality health-care services. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022\u003EI am proud to be a New Zealander. I have great admiration for the people who carved a living out of this land, who built the infrastructure, who developed the farms, and who created our vibrant cities. It took sheer grit and determination, and this country\u2019s forebears did it with their bare hands and without flinching. Their hard work saw this country last century rise as a world leader in living standards. For years New Zealand punched well above its weight\u2014nurturing so many talented individuals, national heroes, and world champions. We have done so well in our past, and we are capable of even better. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022\u003EThis beautiful land has been a land of opportunities for my family and me. To my loving wife, Li Ma, and my very Kiwi children, Amy and Collin, thank you for your patience, encouragement, love, and support. I want also to acknowledge my parents, other family members, my valued friends, my staff at BrandWorks, and ACT party volunteers. I owe this unbelievable opportunity and experience to you all. Thank you for putting your faith and trust in me. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022\u003EI want to take the opportunity to thank the Hon Richard Prebble and my caucus colleagues for standing firm on their principles. I have been elected under unique circumstances and I am pleased ACT has now been restored to a full complement of nine MPs. I hope that Donna Awatere Huata is also remembered for her contribution to the debate on education. As a father, I am also committed to lifting the education standards for every New Zealand child. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022\u003ETo the good people of New Zealand, since arriving half a lifetime ago I have found you hard working and friendly by nature. Like all of you, and your ancestors, I came to these shores with hopes for a better life and dreams for a brighter future. After studying at the University of Auckland\u2019s Elam School of Fine Arts, I was privileged to be part of a great occasion in New Zealand\u2019s modern history. It was indeed an honour to design the official poster for the 14th Commonwealth Games in Auckland some 14 years ago. My study here in New Zealand equipped me with skills I never knew I had, and for that I am forever grateful. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022\u003EAs I have said, when at its best, this country can produce world leaders. At its worst it can be the vehicle for mediocrity, dependency, and despondency. I want this country to deliver its full potential. We owe New Zealanders nothing less. After all, we are all here because someone wanted us to have a better life. Just getting by is not good enough. I know first hand how hard it is for many New Zealanders who work long hours, week in and week out, to make ends meet, to raise children, and to support a family. We all live in hope that one day our hard work will pay off, that we will get ahead, and that there will be a better tomorrow. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022\u003EAs a small-business owner I know how tough life can be for the small and medium-sized businesses that make up 90 percent of all New Zealand\u2019s businesses. For many years I often sacrificed my own wages to pay my staff. For many years I worked late into the night doing the paperwork only to satisfy the bureaucrats. I know what it is like to battle with regulations, red tape, compliance costs, bureaucracy, and hefty Government taxes. The reality is that even in these so-called buoyant times businesses are struggling to keep their heads above water, let alone thrive or compete globally. We have to do better, and the ACT party that I believe in is the only party with a plan that will deliver a brighter future for all New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022\u003EJust a few years ago I was one of the many new Asian New Zealanders who was deeply hurt by one politician\u2019s statement implying that we were responsible for every evil in this land. ACT was the first political party to publicly condemn such attacks. In reality, Asian New Zealanders have made a huge contribution to this country since first arriving for the Otago gold rush. Without immigration this country would be a much poorer place, both economically and culturally. I have never been on welfare, I have never committed a crime, and I have cost the health system very little. Instead, I have built a business, created jobs, and paid many taxes. The same can be said for the overwhelming majority of Asian New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022\u003EI treasure my Chinese cultural heritage, for the Chinese are well recognised for their hard work, law-biding nature, a strong emphasis on family values, and a commitment to education. These values are also ACT\u2019s values. ACT is not a party for the rich. ACT is a party for everyday Kiwis like me\u2014people who know what it is like to be poor, what it is like to labour night and day in factories, and people who, like me, just want a fair go. I follow in the proud footsteps of my parents and my grandparents, who devoted their entire lives to striving for a fairer and prosperous society. For them, their battle for what was right cost them considerably. Like my father, who never wavers from his principles, and my grandfather, who fought bravely in the battlefields for his beliefs, I will not be afraid to stand up for what is right, and, believe me, things are far from right in New Zealand in this new century. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022\u003ELife has taught me a valuable lesson. Fairness is not about taking from those who have and handing out to those who have not. Fairness is about equality in rights and opportunity. There can be no real social justice without economic growth and prosperity. Prosperity can be realised only by people working hard, and there must be good incentives for people to work hard. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022\u003ELast week, en route from my home in Mt Roskill to the Auckland airport, I got talking to a taxi driver. He told me that he is on the road, on average, 12 hours a day. Yet, despite working hard, providing for his family was harder than it was a decade ago. When I said that the Government tells us that the economy is doing well, he responded: \u201CWell, where is the money? It\u2019s not in my pocket.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022\u003EI believe that hard-working men and women deserve to pay less tax. The current tax rates are not necessary and are a disincentive for those desperate to get ahead. This is not as good as it gets. New Zealanders can do so much better. I am committed to making a difference to the life of every New Zealander and to standing up for those who work hard every day to contribute to our country, yet increasingly they are rewarded with less. I am passionate and ambitious for this beautiful and enterprising country. I am ready to serve the people of New Zealand\u2014the people and the country I love. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ca9c3e6b-0b6d-46d7-ba14-2ca250fbaa75\u0022\u003EI finish as I began. I owe my arrival into Parliament to so many people, but more so, I owe so much to the equality in rights and opportunities this great country has given to all of us. At the beginning of this new millennium our focus, as parliamentarians, must be on building a New Zealand that will, again, be the envy of the world. We owe it to our ancestors who fought so hard, and we owe it to our descendants who deserve so much. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022deea0da2430b496ea4398d7018221519\u0022\u003EAppropriation (2003/04 Financial Review) Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002216268ed4bb2545a39e7c908f1dd12175\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022 data-id=\u002232ccd1d073fe434a9321f266f1284f32\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002232ccd1d073fe434a9321f266f1284f32\u0022\u003EHon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Appropriation (2003/04 Financial Review) Bill be now read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003EBill read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022570366a052494ef08e06f3f854a154aa\u0022\u003EUrgency\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d225a30b661048deac3485f4da10cc4b\u0022\u003EUrgency\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022 data-id=\u0022505c5c9161f546d09fee22628c8e57c5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022505c5c9161f546d09fee22628c8e57c5\u0022\u003EHon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That urgency be accorded the Committee stage of the Civil Union Bill. The motion has been moved in order to enable extra sitting hours to be available to debate the bill so that it can be dealt with before the summer adjournment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222f7950567cb449e4bdda6ef6771ed236\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That urgency be accorded.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 62\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 58\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8; M\u0101ori Party 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e44c7206302d46ed8a72109a68645ccc\u0022\u003ECivil Union Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022449965a962984256b972b123d04e6898\u0022\u003EInstruction to Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022 data-id=\u002240eb4f69b9db485abd50cb75e109fdb5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002240eb4f69b9db485abd50cb75e109fdb5\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Associate Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Civil Union Bill that it take the bill part by part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002207905aa2a0db466a976bfedce02b55a3\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 62\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 58\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8; M\u0101ori Party 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e992c2b8730645a4bc1367fc294ae12c\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fe70e912920d484e8e4edb599b279140\u0022\u003EPart 1  Preliminary provisions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c41756cbb94e4679b32cc360c46ec68f\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: Before I give the call, I would like to say that as with the second reading of this bill, it would be appreciated by the Chair if there were no interjections on any of the speakers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022185d6a49d9684f6b9dfe78938bb56d30\u0022\u003EStephen Franks\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I am sorry to interrupt before the debate begins. That was a rather unusual comment by the Chair and I would appreciate a little bit of elaboration. When the Chair said that no interjections on any of the speakers would be appreciated, is he laying down a rule? It is a very unusual thing for interjections to be prevented entirely in a debate of this nature.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c7f1b369a15477a87da7b0ad1db5f0c\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member for that. It is not unusual; it is, in fact, in the Standing Orders. I myself will be tolerant and I am sure that other Chairs will be. However, what I am asking for, and I know what the Committee would want to happen, is that this be an orderly debate and that it bring pride on this Chamber. I cannot go any further than that. The odd exclamation is fine, but I do not want the Committee to degenerate into disorder.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u0022474c921327164be4a3b81b6f86162512\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022474c921327164be4a3b81b6f86162512\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E What an extraordinary thing it is that this Parliament is in urgency to pass the Civil Union Bill. What on earth is urgent about it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EI will say what is urgent. The Government knows that this bill is an electoral liability and it wants to clear the deck pre-Christmas, because next year the public will get to vote. It is as simple and as cynical as that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EWhat is even more cynical is the way in which the Government\u2019s spin machine has pretended that this bill is not a gay marriage bill. Like parrots, each of the Government speakers say that it is not about gay marriage. Let us read the original third clause in Part 1. It should have stated that the purpose of this bill was to introduce gay marriage, but it actually stated that the purpose was to register relationships as civil unions under the Births, Deaths, and Marriages Registration Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EIs a civil union a death? Some might think so. Is it a birth? Maybe not. It is certainly a marriage. This is the \u201CGay Marriage Bill\u201D in drag. Let us not pretend anything less. I challenge the Minister in the chair, Mr David Benson-Pope, to read the Tui advertisement: \u201CThis isn\u2019t a gay marriage bill? Yeah, right!\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EClause 42 is where this bill does become significant. In clause 42, amendments are made to the Family Proceedings Act. I am one of those who says that that is one of the most important Acts this Parliament has, because it is the family that provides for the upbringing of children. Despite the fact that Government members say this is not a gay marriage bill, when it comes to the amendment to the Family Proceedings Act the husband is to be a party in a civil union, the wife is to be a party in a civil union, and marriage is to be synonymous with civil union.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EThat is what clause 42 says, so I ask Tim Barnett to say what the bill is. It is a gay marriage bill. I tell him to summon up the courage to say what it is, and to stop the fraud on the people of New Zealand by saying that it is anything less.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EIf it is not gay marriage, why is it being registered under the Births, Deaths, and Marriages Registration Act? Is there any Government member who can explain for me why this thing that is not to be a marriage is to be registered under the Births, Deaths, and Marriages Registration Act? [Interruption] Yes, it is very popular with the United Future party, but could the Minister in the chair explain to the Committee why he does not have the upfront nature to say that this bill is a gay marriage bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EWhen we look at the companion bill, we see that there have been 1,034 changes to every statute, whether the statutes are about superannuation law, family law, child support law, education law, health law\u2014members can name them. In every single one of those statutes, civil union and marriage are to be exactly the same. I say to the Committee simply this: if it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, if it smells like a duck, then it is a damn duck. This is gay marriage, and no matter what the Government\u2019s spin doctors say, there will not be a single area of law in which a civil union will be different from marriage. As we look through the detail of the bill, we see that the two will be synonymous. In every element of process, a civil union and marriage will be identical.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EI just challenge members opposite to be upfront with the electorate and explain why it is necessary for this Parliament under urgency, in a mad rush before Christmas, to change one of the most fundamental tenets of our society, which is that marriage is between\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203bc0052-6dd8-4807-998a-4768a4732e0b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224523d8b7457944fa93cb81b5ecbd958b\u0022\u003EHon Rick Barker\u003C/span\u003E: Why should we believe this man? The High Court wouldn\u2019t believe him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022296f1ab1f7164053884f11d16240d721\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Maybe Rick Barker can explain. Why has the Government said that civil union is not gay marriage when it is to be registered under the Births, Deaths, and Marriages Registration Act? Mr Barker, who was very keen to interject just a moment ago, has walked out of the Chamber. I say to him that I do not think that that is good enough. I think the people of New Zealand deserve an honest answer as to why he will not label this legislation what it is\u2014it is gay marriage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022 data-id=\u0022c62024cfc40249c187e15f5ac05eb395\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c62024cfc40249c187e15f5ac05eb395\u0022\u003ETIM BARNETT (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E I will respond to Nick Smith with the facts of the situation, as opposed to his fantasies. First of all, in terms of the Births, Deaths, and Marriages Registration Act, the Justice and Electoral Committee was quite prepared to make that change. We were advised that the agency was looking at its nomenclature and at whether it would list out all of its various registration processes, at which stage things might change. Otherwise, we would have been happy to do that now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EThe member is quite mistaken, in terms of the Family Proceedings Act. In the bill before the Committee, in the amendments to the Family Proceedings Act, the words \u201Chusband\u201D, \u201Cwife\u201D, and \u201Cspouse\u201D\u2014the marriage language\u2014are paralleled by the words \u201Ccivil union partner\u201D. That change was made by the select committee, which was quite clear that marriage had a certain vocabulary attached to it and that civil unions should not mix and mess with that vocabulary. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EIn terms of whether civil union is gay marriage, it seems very odd to me that the great majority of people who will benefit from this institution are heterosexuals. I do not know how they can possibly be labelled as gay, because civil unions are there for heterosexual de facto couples and for same-sex couples. Civil union is not a gay institution and it is not marriage; it is civil union. The only people who can move from civil union to marriage are a man and a woman who were originally in a civil union. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003ESo what we have is a new, inclusive institution, open to same-sex and to different-sex couples. We then have a number of various and different legal processes around that. For example, a new category of celebrant is established\u2014a civil union celebrant\u2014so that marriage celebrants are not conducting both types of ceremony. More generally, I think that Mr Smith has failed to point out that the strength of what the submitters to the select committee said about marriage is that marriage is not made by the law alone. The Marriage Act is very simple legislation. Marriage is made by its history, its tradition, and its culture, and nothing in the Civil Union Bill affects those. We have a new institution, created in the 21st century, that will develop its own tradition and its own culture.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003E We do not know how many heterosexual couples will take it up. We do not know how many same-sex couples will take it up. That will determine the nature of the institution. A comparable law is the civil solidarity pact in France, open in the same way to different-sex and same-sex couples. Fifty percent of the couples who use it are lesbian and gay, and 50 percent are heterosexual. So civil union is a new institution, a new name, and separate to marriage. That is what it is all about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022 data-id=\u002205b6195d65ec472eabb2434bfd9666b2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002205b6195d65ec472eabb2434bfd9666b2\u0022\u003EBRIAN CONNELL (National\u2014Rakaia):\u003C/span\u003E My colleague Nick Smith is dead right: when one reads the purpose clause one cannot escape the conclusion that this bill is all about gay marriage. The previous speaker, Mr Barnett, had the opportunity to acknowledge that fact when he was on his feet. If the proponents of this bill would only acknowledge that fact, I could at least have respect for their position. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003EMr Barnett knows that this bill is about gay marriage because he is its architect, and he has said publicly that that was exactly what he intended. He intended this bill to be about gay marriage but now, when he has the opportunity to bring the bill to Parliament, he will not acknowledge that fact. The public record will demonstrate that he did say that\u2014and that the Prime Minister said it, as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003EOf all the discussion and talk from the homosexual community about tolerance, and of all the mail I have received, the only hate correspondence I have had in the last few days has come from the homosexual community\u2014simply because I would not buy its smokescreen argument that this bill is about human rights. Because it is not; it is about gay marriage\u2014period. As I have said to Mr Barnett and others, if they had the courage simply to acknowledge that fact, I could at least respect them. At this stage of proceedings I really cannot.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003EWe in this Parliament have absolutely no mandate, no mandate at all, to pass this bill\u2014let alone to pass it under urgency. If this bill were so good, and if the Government really believed it was in the best interests of New Zealanders, why did the Government not make the subject an election issue rather than take it off the agenda? The answer is simple. The Government knew, and Mr Barnett knew, that they would be thrown out of office.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003EThat is why this cynical Government has taken the issue off the agenda. This Government is totally without morality. It is bankrupt. In fact, it is rotten to the core, and the Prime Minister is the worst apple. That is why she is voting for the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec018ed2115c4d7aad679e9f0bb6f4ef\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202236483f7b244e6baf1e290c36e602c\u0022\u003EBRIAN CONNELL\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. On what issue are you bringing me to order?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022085e95d9bf7c450dbfd00006bf870e66\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: I thought you were going a little bit over the top, but I invite you to continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221bb087063dc049c58031264e1b8ae3a0\u0022\u003EBRIAN CONNELL\u003C/span\u003E: Will this Prime Minister allow a binding referendum on this issue?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298a80ff6141f463abed66532372dc372\u0022\u003ERichard Worth\u003C/span\u003E: No way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d18f5b5d2e3045ce8e833a3de6bf7974\u0022\u003EBRIAN CONNELL\u003C/span\u003E: No, and do members know why? Overnight she told the nation that she will not allow it, because parliamentarians come to Parliament to make decisions. The hypocrisy of that argument is not lost on me. This is a Prime Minister who will not even get out of bed without a poll result telling her it is a good idea, yet she has the audacity to say to the people of this country that there will not be a binding referendum on this issue. The real reason she will not support Mr Donnelly\u2019s call for a binding referendum is that she knows it would be lost. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003ESurvey after survey of Kiwis, whether on television or radio, or by select committee submissions, show that New Zealanders do not want a bar of this legislation. That is the only reason this Prime Minister will not put this legislation to the test and let the public of New Zealand decide. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003EWas the Prime Minister vocal when Mr Choudhary sat on the fence in respect of the Prostitution Reform Bill? No, she said nothing, but now she is trumpeting that politicians come to Wellington in order to make decisions. Well, she is a politician who does not do that; she uses a very cynical method called polling. Let us think about the term \u201Ccivil union\u201D. I say it is cold, clinical, and completely without warmth\u2014just like this Prime Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022 data-id=\u00220bef2ecd12854011acf1a9d131e859ea\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220bef2ecd12854011acf1a9d131e859ea\u0022\u003EHon BRIAN DONNELLY (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I want to talk a little bit about my father. He only ever won one trophy\u2014we kids used to think it was neat\u2014and it was for winning the Auckland boxing championships. In some ways that expressed his view of masculinity. He served in North Africa and Italy from 1940 to 1945 and fought at El Alamein, but he only ever told stories of the fisticuffs he used to get into during leave. It would be fair to say that he had a fairly macho view of masculinity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003EMy mother was quite the opposite. She had a different upbringing. Her mother died when she was young, and she was largely brought up in Catholic boarding schools. The nuns became her surrogate mothers. So she was very staunchly steeped in the Catholic faith and Catholic beliefs. She and dad became engaged before he went to war, and mum waited patiently for his return. When he came back they were married and produced five kids\u2014three boys and two girls.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003EI was the third son so I got the hand-me-downs from two brothers, but my sister after me got flash new clothes and that is why I consider I am still a scruffy dresser. One of my brothers was in fact just different from the other two boys. He was not as physically skilled, although he joined in all the sports. He was artistic, whereas the other two were not. I do not wish to make a stereotype but just to tell members about it as it actually was, and as it is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003EIn general, we grew up as a typical family of the time in a typical State housing area, and differences did not matter. My brother got married, as did the other members of the family. His was a big Catholic wedding, but the marriage was not successful. Following the annulment, my brother developed a pattern of having male mates live with him. He did not actually come out of the closet as such, but just gradually the door was pulled ajar and we all became progressively enlightened.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003EThe knowledge of my brother\u2019s sexual preference hurt both my parents. I know it did. It challenged my father\u2019s view of masculinity and, indeed, his own masculinity. It challenged my mother\u2019s religious beliefs very deeply. But never once, not even in the slightest, did either of my parents convey any sense of rejection of my brother as a valued member of our family; my father conveyed silent acceptance and my mother fierce protectionism. My brother and his partners were fully accepted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003EI want to pay tribute to my parents, because through their behaviour and through their example they taught me the true meaning of family values. I have heard a lot about family values, but I believe they taught us the true meaning of them. They taught me that family values mean that acceptance of family members is non-negotiable and unconditional.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003EI also want to take the opportunity to talk further about the family, and to inform the Committee that on Friday this week I will not care whether this bill is still being debated, because I am not going to be here. I will be with my wife, walking my eldest daughter up the aisle. I am glad there is a formal ceremony in which my daughter and her partner can make a public commitment to each other\u2014can make a pledge of an exclusive and long-lasting relationship to each other. I do not for one minute believe that the passage of this bill will undermine the marriage into which my daughter is entering. My brother and his partner will be there amongst the rest of our family and friends, as should be the case.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003EI accept the consciences of those who oppose this bill\u2014and people know that I have put forward an amendment for a referendum\u2014but I would respect those consciences far more easily if I had witnessed an effort by just one of those members to put up a bill in their time in Parliament to re-criminalise homosexual behaviour. But not one has. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003E The message, therefore, must be that gays can have legal sexual relationships, but that there is no legal way they can make public commitments to long-term, exclusive relationships. That, I put to this Committee, is a position that encourages promiscuity, and that position is in no one\u2019s best interest in terms of public health. So at this point in time I am still supportive of this bill but, as I said, later on during the Committee stage we will debate my belief that this issue needs to go to a public referendum so that we can settle it for all time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022 data-id=\u00222cdb1dd907fa48dc8134d9b6de66713c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222cdb1dd907fa48dc8134d9b6de66713c\u0022\u003EMURRAY SMITH (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E Some of the submitters who came to the Justice and Electoral Committee and supported the bill said that they wanted civil unions for different-sex people because of the culture they saw surrounding marriage\u2014a culture that they thought was religious and patriarchal. However, they failed to note that the Marriage Act does nothing in terms of culture or religious connotations, and neither does the Civil Union Bill. The difference is, though, that civil unions as we are proposing them are devoid at the moment\u2014at their start\u2014of any cultural or religious connotations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EMarriage, by contrast, has had hundreds of years in which a culture has developed around it. That culture comes not by way of the Marriage Act but by way of society\u2019s understanding of what marriage provides. Similarly, the Civil Union Bill provides no culture around it, and it is as open as a void in order for a culture to develop around it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EBut when we look at even the things that were criticised by those submitters in terms of the culture surrounding marriage, we find those things are changeable. The patriarchal nature of marriage really comes down to the relationship people have between them. Whether the husband dominates the relationship is really a matter for the husband and the wife to work out. It is not something that we as a society impose. There is no patriarchal nature to a marriage, other than what the couple themselves accept or what one partner imposes on the other\u2014whether patriarchal or matriarchal. Similarly, in terms of religious connotations we now have several marriage ceremonies, which can occur without any religious connotation whatsoever or with as much as the couple choose. Therefore, any religious connotation to marriage again comes down to what the couple want in terms of their relationship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EIn essence, therefore, the difference between marriage and civil union does not come down to the nature of the bill that is passed but simply to what the couple create for themselves. All we have done in this bill is substitute the term \u201Ccivil union\u201D for the word \u201Cmarriage\u201D, and that is at the heart of the argument that the two are no different. However, marriage over hundreds of years has come up with two very important cultural norms that surround it. One is that it is intended to be a lifelong relationship\u2014at least, at its commencement\u2014and secondly, to be an exclusive relationship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EWe do not know whether the Civil Union, if it passes, will in fact develop those sorts of provisions, but we encourage lifelong and exclusive relationships because we believe as a society that for the nurturing of the next generation it is in the best interests of society that there are stable environments in which to raise children. The trouble with the Civil Union Bill is that we do not know whether that culture will be there. We do not know whether in fact we will have lifelong, exclusive relationships for the nurturing of children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EThe select committee considered that matter, and we were going to put in the purpose clause a provision that said that part of the purpose of civil unions was to recognise and support stable, genuine relationships between two people who wish to acknowledge freely and publicly their lifelong and exclusive commitment to each other. However, the Greens strongly objected to that provision. They did not want civil unions to have any suggestion that they were to be lifelong relationships, and they did not want civil unions to have any suggestion that they were to be exclusive relationships. Clearly, what the Greens wanted was that civil unions could be seen to be transitional relationships\u2014as far as the couples who entered into them were concerned, if that is what they chose\u2014and that they could be open relationships, so that couples in civil unions were free to have sexual relationships with people outside those unions if they wanted to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EThe Greens did not want Parliament dictating or even suggesting in this bill that there should be a lifelong or exclusive relationship\u2014and that is the problem that we have with civil unions: they have no culture surrounding them. We are opening up to all sorts of interpretations the environment in which we are going to raise the next generation, and we have nothing there to cover for it. It was interesting that the select committee, having decided that there should be this purpose clause, moved away from it on the final day of consideration.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022 data-id=\u00227847c29adb5a47ca8001e74d84fec60b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227847c29adb5a47ca8001e74d84fec60b\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I want to take a call on the purpose clause of this bill. I certainly hope Brian Connell will continue to front the opposition to this bill, as he is giving plenty of fodder to those of us who agree with it. I offer my congratulations to Mr Donnelly, and I hope his daughter\u2019s wedding is a wonderful occasion for his entire family.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI want to talk a little bit about the implications for the largest sector of society that stands to benefit from this bill, and that, of course, is heterosexuals. I have talked to a lot of my friends about this bill, and I want to bring to the attention of the Committee the fact that things are changing in New Zealand society. It has already happened to a large extent. It is the result of various changes in law, and various changes in the belief systems held by young New Zealanders today. Far from those changes being detrimental or destructive, if we accept them and if we learn what changes this Parliament needs to make to accommodate those changes in New Zealand society, then we will see that in fact they do not need to be the destructive forces that many in this House would have us believe them to be.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EOne of those changes is the fact that a number of young New Zealanders are waiting longer to get married, and a number are deciding not to get married, or are not making a decision not to get married but are ending up staying in de facto relationships. In fact, there are over 320,000 New Zealanders now living in de facto relationships. As one of those 320,000 living in a de facto relationship, I say that my relationship is committed, stable, and absolutely monogamous, and I will not have members of this House say that just because they are married, their relationship means more to them than my relationship does to me, because that is simply not true.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EThere are a number of forces in play in respect of this issue. One of them is that women now want to be financially independent before marriage, and that has delayed the age of marriage quite considerably. Another reason is that many of our generation have seen the break-up of marriages. Research out of the United States from the national institute of marriage, which is hardly a left-wing organisation, has shown that far from young people believing that marriage is irrelevant, they actually hold it in far higher regard than previous generations did. They no longer see it as just something that people have to do. They no longer believe that what a young woman should do when she finishes school is find a good husband from a good family and settle down. Now, young people want to find their soulmates and settle into marriage. That has brought an interesting issue of expectation into the marriage debate that I do not believe we have really addressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EA number of my friends who are in de facto relationships have told me that they would like to have a civil union. Although members of this Committee might not understand or like the fact that people do not want to get married, the fact is that just because we say they should get married does not mean that they will. Their reasons for not wanting to marry are varied, but I have to say that the main reason is that they cannot separate out the institution of marriage from religion. I know that people say one can have a civil marriage, but those young people would say it is still a marriage. One young girl who came and talked to me told me she had grown up in a very strict religious household. She said that it had been awful and she had had a horrible time growing up. She said: \u201CDo you know what my mother said to me? She said she did not mind whether I had a civil marriage, because I would still be married in the eyes of God.\u201D She told me: \u201CFor me, that sealed it: I will never get married.\u201D But she said she would like to be able to have a civil union, because she wants to be able to walk down the aisle, and she wants to be able to have the solemnisation. She does want all of that but she wants it to be secular.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI believe that had we been looking at amendments to the Marriage Act today to allow same-sex couples to marry, we would not see church groups and religious organisations holding marriage out at arm\u2019s length from them and saying: \u201CHey, you can have a civil marriage. That has got nothing to do with us.\u201D On the contrary, they would be telling us that marriage is the cornerstone of the Christian church. I believe that it is a very important part of the Christian church. It is an institution that upholds Christian values, and I think it is very important in that right. I understand why people who are religious do not want the Marriage Act to be changed\u2014I understand that entirely.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI also understand the number of heterosexual and same-sex couples who came to the select committee and said that the institution of marriage does not uphold their beliefs, because it says that same-sex couples cannot enter into it. That is not something I believe in; that is something, in fact, that I find very, very abhorrent to my own personal views. For that reason, I would like a civil union, which is a secular, neutral, new institution, which shows that my values can be upheld, as well as those of my same-sex friends who are in long-term relationships and want to have them formalised.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003ESo although we might stand here in this Chamber and say that young people should just get married, the reality is that there is a large proportion of young people out there who have grown up, as I did, with the Bible in Schools programme, and with being told that marriage is one of the cornerstones of the Christian church. I find it very ironic now that the same kinds of people are coming to me and saying: \u201CNo, it isn\u2019t. No, no\u2014not at all. It is a civil ceremony, and if you go to a church, well, that\u2019s your decision.\u201D Well, that is not the case. If one is going to say that, that is fine, but one should be consistent and not just say it when it suits. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022 data-id=\u002261270f09b53a4d49aec21313e17da416\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002261270f09b53a4d49aec21313e17da416\u0022\u003ESTEPHEN FRANKS (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E It is very interesting that the same side\u2014in fact, almost the same mouths\u2014that is arguing that it is ridiculous for those from the pro-marriage side who are worried about this legislation to feel that it says something about marriage is claiming at the same time that the reason for setting up this mimicry is to get away from the religious connotations of marriage, because marriage is all in the heart and all in the mind. Our select committee found\u2014I think to the surprise of all of us\u2014that there is next to nothing about marriage specified in the Marriage Act. We can construct some part of the State\u2019s attitude to marriage from other law, such as the law that governs the delay before dissolution, and we can argue that a stable, long-term commitment of loving and caring is part of marriage or of civil union, from some elements of history, but we cannot find anything to that effect in law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EWe are having this debate when last year 47 percent of marriages were civil services that were not conducted in a registry office, and 18 percent were conducted in a registry office. In other words, only 35 percent of marriages last year took place in a church. I think we could assume that a few others might have been religious ceremonies that were not held in churches. I do not know how many. We were told by marriage celebrants who gave evidence to us in Christchurch that there were not many of those. But we have to take it that the community knows that marriage is a civil ceremony as far as the State requires, and that it has known that for generations. So the idea that some urgent Government priority should be establishing a new status to avoid the offence that some apparently feel at the residual religious connotation is plainly ridiculous.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EThis legislation is an attempt to create a direct mimic\u2014a direct pantomime\u2014of marriage, in order to hitch-hike on its traditions, and to hitch-hike on the residual respect that there is for marriage. It is an attempt by an elite to tell those who continue to dislike homosexuality that they ought to change. When Richard Worth comes up with proposals that will confer all the legal benefits of this status and remove every one of the legal disabilities, we are told that that is an attempt to wreck the bill. Well, it can be wrecking the bill only if the objective were something other than the removal of discrimination. It can be wrecking the bill only in that it is wrecking an attempt to use this bill to force a particular view of lifestyle, a particular morality, using the levers of the State, on those who simply say they do not agree.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EI do not have a concern about homosexual relationships or homosexual couples. I would not have supported the Homosexual Law Reform Bill if I had been concerned about those. But when I hear Brian Donnelly giving a very sincere speech and saying that the valuable time of this Parliament should be spent on a bill that would allow\u2014I cannot remember his phrase exactly\u2014legal rights to have a relationship, or legal recognition of a relationship, I know that that comes from a world view that has forgotten where our legal tradition started. It was only a few generations ago that New Zealanders knew they could do anything that the law did not prohibit. It was without question that one could have any relationship one liked as long as the law did not prohibit it. One did not need the State to say a relationship was legal; the State told one only when a relationship was illegal. When the Homosexual Law Reform Bill went through Parliament, the State ceased to tell people when their relationships were illegal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EWe had, of course, the historical institution of marriage, and the State had decided that it would use that institution and reinforce it by providing a registration structure. I see great advantage in registration. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022 data-id=\u0022e42bea723fb545368d83ee42b628de78\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e42bea723fb545368d83ee42b628de78\u0022\u003ERICHARD WORTH (National\u2014Epsom):\u003C/span\u003E This debate on the Civil Union Bill is an important debate. There is absolutely no doubt about that. For my money, the Government has embarked upon a programme of radical social change\u2014of social engineering, if you like. We have seen a number of elements of that in recent months. The first was the decision to legalise prostitution, which had a whole lot of consequences. The second was the decision, in effect, to close down the Returned Services Association clubs in New Zealand, because that will be the impact of the smoke-free legislation. Now we see proposals that, for all intents and purposes, will introduce same-sex marriage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003EI think it is worth reflecting that while we are doing these things other countries are doing the opposite. Just in the last month, in the Australian Federal Senate, we have seen a clear stance taken against same-sex marriage. Even more recently, in the context of the US presidential elections, we have seen a series of referenda across that country, and in the states concerned there has been unequivocal rejection of same-sex marriage. [Interruption] In a moment I will, to meet the needs of members opposite who are interjecting, explain why the Civil Union Bill is all about same-sex marriage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003EBut I will start, if I might, by making the point that as a member of the Justice and Electoral Committee hearing submissions on this bill, and on its companion piece of legislation, which is in serious difficulty, I along with other members of the committee, some of whom are present in Parliament at the moment, spent days listening to the wishes and concerns of both supporters and opponents of the bills. Not only did this issue receive more submissions than any other but it was been one of the most emotionally charged that I can remember. There were approximately 6,000 submissions\u2014maybe a few more than that\u2014and 91 percent of those submitters were opposed to this legislation. That should give any thinking Parliament cause to reflect on the processes that the Government has initiated. Same-sex couples petitioned us to recognise that their loving and committed relationships should be recognised in law, but\u2014and I hope members opposite will acknowledge this\u2014with equal sincerity, most submitters expressed concern that the Civil Union Bill introduced same-sex marriage to New Zealand, which, they believed, would undermine the unique status of marriage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003EIf I were asked to summarise very briefly what my concerns are in connection with the determination of the Government to push this legislation through, I would say that they are these. First of all, there is strong opposition to this bill\u20146,000 submissions and 91 percent of the submitters saying no. That is the first thing. The second thing is that this bill is being rushed through under urgency. That is quite significant because one would have thought that issues of this gravamen in the community\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f87b6afa7ab419c8686aefc10da469a\u0022\u003EHon Parekura Horomia\u003C/span\u003E: Rubbish!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b94d7e8eca6426ca9a114a775efd0f6\u0022\u003ERICHARD WORTH\u003C/span\u003E: The member opposite says \u201CRubbish!\u201D, but he probably does not understand that we are in urgency. The gravamen of the argument, though, is that the bill is being rushed through\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. The Minister alongside you is abusing his privilege by using his microphone to interject on me, which he is not permitted to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b49c67a23fc4c4e9a51e0c567a26841\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: That is quite right. I have indicated to the Minister that I would like him to quieten down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d4f4251f984845a780a57edf09861572\u0022\u003ERICHARD WORTH\u003C/span\u003E: I have been making the point that the bill is being rushed through under urgency. It is a serious matter. It does not deserve to be rushed. It deserves careful and considered reflection. It has been reported back early. It was due to be reported back on 23 December. It is quite unusual for bills to be reported back within their first stipulated time limit. That has happened here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003EBut there are other things going wrong. I was party to a sorry set of events in the select committee, where it seemed that the officials were being badgered to hasten events so that there would be an early commencement of the bill. That is why there is a change that would see the bill come into force on a fixed date, and possibly a departure from the Cabinet rules so that the normal time frames between the passage of regulations and the regulations coming into effect would be waived.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022 data-id=\u0022d423ed128fc943d0b23f0162fc3d19de\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d423ed128fc943d0b23f0162fc3d19de\u0022\u003EHon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E Some of the narrowness that abounds in this House certainly surprises me, especially in relation to this very serious bill. The member who has just spoken, Richard Worth, exuded what a lot of people are exuding about how people do take this issue seriously. What licence is given in this country to determine that emotion, love, and care exist only in a narrow framework that is written on a piece of paper, when we know through clear facts and percentages that there is a lot of divorce and adultery? It is like the king with no clothes. It seems to be the symptom that is pervading in here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EWe heard some rubbish spoken earlier on about people\u2019s choice. We talk about fairness and equity. This bill is about people\u2019s choice. I know that, quite certainly, some of my relations and wh\u0101nau are in gay relationships, and they need to be respected. Others might not like it but, as a real bloke who played a lot of rugby in the front row and did all those blokey things, I do understand it. [Interruption] I am glad that I am not as narrow-minded as that member, who tries to make believe that these people do not care for each other. Relationships should not be, as I have said, constrained within the framework of the licence that some churches and organisations write out and sign. I dare not tamper with the basic fundamentals and ethics of churches in this country, but I think that what is going down is hypocrisy at the maximum\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a2b47566b0ae4ad2ba459667f30904a0\u0022\u003EBrian Connell\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. The member who is on his feet just used a word that is unparliamentary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228081f1ca1e8e4c27810780f01453024f\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member for raising that. I was waiting to see to whom he was referring with that word. Perhaps it is better if he does not use it. I am not sure in what context he was using it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227e01a1ebabed47088827721296fd6605\u0022\u003EHon PAREKURA HOROMIA\u003C/span\u003E: I am very clear. If the word does not fit\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002218ba1d7c7b2f40c0999cca910a156c6e\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: No, no. The member is now getting close to indicating where he was heading. I will ask him to desist and leave it as unknown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022943fd5f5822742aba50535d0ba92c1c9\u0022\u003EHon PAREKURA HOROMIA\u003C/span\u003E: One is put asunder when one hears the negative challenges around this issue. People are so definitive because of the law, but they want to corrupt that progression with their specific, narrow view on lore. Certainly, in relation to unions, we need to recognise that in contemporary times things are changing. Members heard Moana Mackey give a fine description of young people\u2019s relationships in this country. Because they are doing it differently does not mean they do not love or care for each other. There is no difference from the relationship of kuia and mokopuna. We love them because they are our own. It is recognised in M\u0101ori lore. Certainly, there are tensions and challenges, even from our own people, but I think we need to take a couple of steps back, especially those people who are hardening off and expecting everybody to live in the same little box behind the same silk curtains, and are misbelieving and exaggerating what really goes on in this world in contemporary times.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThere will be challenges as this bill goes through and they will be no different from other challenges. But let us remember that people have a choice in this country, whether they are immigrants, tangata whenua, or P\u0101keh\u0101 Kiwis, and whether or not they are married. We can play with the percentages, but for the opponents of this bill to try to bully everyone else into a certain position, whether it may be perceived as conservative, or as the status quo, or as historically inherited through church union, or whatever else, begs a lot to be asked and answered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EI certainly do not have total support from my own wh\u0101nau in relation to the stance that I have taken. But one thing that I am very clear on is that people have choices in this country, and this Government has been about that. It has recognised that and has given people choices, and the Civil Union Bill is about that. It is about a group of people, and about practices that people are involved in. That is their business. What is so untoward about recognising how people choose to live?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fce185df-f325-4a5a-a850-52fb6b2b918d\u0022 data-id=\u002298eafdd9a13d41c6bd57d6d38227e0aa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fce185df-f325-4a5a-a850-52fb6b2b918d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002298eafdd9a13d41c6bd57d6d38227e0aa\u0022\u003EBILL GUDGEON (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou e whakarongo ana ki ng\u0101 k\u014Drero e whakawhiti ana i roto i t\u0113nei o \u014Dt\u0101tou Whare. Greetings to all who may be listening to the civil union debate that is taking place today. Is it not ironic that the opinion of the large majority of the general public has been ignored? Members of Parliament who support the Civil Union Bill are deaf to the cries of the majority of constituents. Is this democracy? New Zealand First has strongly recommended a public referendum, but this, so far, has fallen on deaf ears as the Labour-led Government is adamant that the bill must go through. Others who have conscience votes in this House should note that if the bill passes it will undermine a stability that has been the foundation of this country. Moral fibre and virtue seem to be irrelevant, and this bill will certainly erode, disrupt, and create a decay in the family structure as we see it today, which has always been the hallmark of this nation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fce185df-f325-4a5a-a850-52fb6b2b918d\u0022\u003EThose who are for the bill may say and think: \u201CWhere has Bill Gudgeon been lately? He should get off the grass and not bring his moralistic views and virtues here, because we are entitled to whatever we want, hence the Human Rights Act.\u201D What about the rights of the majority and those people who are against this bill? I have always believed in accountability for whatever we do. I say that that time will come. I would like the public to know that this reminds me of the story of the frog that happily boils to death. This Government has slowly increased the temperature, incrementally at regular intervals, and things that were once not normal to our society are now gaining a foothold.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fce185df-f325-4a5a-a850-52fb6b2b918d\u0022\u003E To the M\u0101ori members who support this bill for whatever reason, I go back to the ancient proverb: \u201CE kore au e ngaro, te kakano i ruia mai i Rangi\u0101tea.\u201D The literal translation of this proverb is: \u201CThe seed that was planted in Rangi\u0101tea will never be lost.\u201D The seeds are us, gathered here today. Rangi\u0101tea is the literal place of heaven where we originated. And the proverb goes on to say that we will never be lost. Is there any significance in the relationship between this bill and that proverb? I would say that the seed is the generations yet to come. So, again, we should think about our position as members of Parliament. Those who vote in favour of this bill will be responsible for a huge amount of negativity, just like that caused by the Prostitution Reform Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fce185df-f325-4a5a-a850-52fb6b2b918d\u0022\u003EThis bill is iniquitous and has no future in New Zealand. I am vehemently against it. Regardless of the percentages and the statistics that people have thrown around today and in the past and will throw around in the future, this bill has no place in New Zealand. God did not create marriage for man and man, or for woman and woman. Marriage was between man and woman, and through that union came the children. For those who might think I am a Bible-pusher, for those who might think I am following God\u2019s path\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022 data-id=\u0022d2191c499fc447b392993c5e77fcc183\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d2191c499fc447b392993c5e77fcc183\u0022\u003EGEORGINA BEYER (Labour\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E The member who just resumed his seat will be pleased to know that the Civil Union Bill does not touch the sanctity of marriage that the member talks about. He will be pleased with that. I find it quite amazing that aspects of the attitudes of those opposing the bill smack of hypocrisy. I have to say that. I am not pointing it out to anyone in particular; I am speaking of attitudes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5dcec5f7aa74f6a8cce6144e7fd67ba\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: I am on to that. The member will withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb080d22d5124d0a815d2df64997600e\u0022\u003EGEORGINA BEYER\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise, Mr Chairperson. But everybody understands what I mean. This is a human rights - based piece of legislation, and it sickens me to think that those who preach the piety I have heard in this place today absolutely throw away the human rights that we are talking about, in favour of the very exclusive marriage. We are not seeking marriage, with this bill; we are seeking a civil union. This is part of the cornerstone of the foundation of our society\u2014to build strong family relationships to help maintain the society we live in. In a country in the modern world, we should be able to enjoy equal opportunity to contribute to that, no matter what our gender or our status may be. We actually preserve and uphold the institution of marriage so that it is not touched. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003EThe arguments that opponents to this bill are putting up are based on pious moral grounds, with a very strong religious overtone. We in New Zealand live in a secular society, and, while much of our tradition may be based on the Christian ethic, in the modern world there are a number of other beliefs. Should we all live under the tyranny of the majority of so-called \u201CChristian\u201D believers alone? No, we have a much more diverse basis of belief. One of them happens to be that some people choose not to get married but would like to choose some other way of having their relationships solemnised and recognised by the State and society, and to move on with their lives and be part of that cornerstone that helps build strength into this country of ours. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003EThis bill is about building nationhood. It takes nothing away from anybody. Not one person will have anything removed from him or her by the passing of this bill, and I wish members would remember that. As for referenda, that is a cop-out by politicians who wish only to rule by referendum on issues like this. I do not think so. I do not think this country can be ruled by referendum in that way. And, by the way, I do not think this issue is serious enough to warrant a referendum, when I know darn well that the politicians who have been elected to Parliament have been imbued, upon their election, with some trust in their ability to make decisions on these very sorts of matters, particularly matters that are about human rights and not about taking anything away from anybody else. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003EI do not know why members keep going on about their particular points of view when it comes to people who would benefit by this bill being banished because of these members\u2019 extraordinarily narrow beliefs. I cannot believe they can play both sides of the argument, saying on the one hand: \u201CNo, you cannot have access to marriage or a civil union.\u201D, but on the other: \u201CBy the way, we do believe in you and value you as members of this society.\u201D What does that smack of? It really does smack of something I apologised for previously. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003EWith that, I end my contribution\u2014one of many, I hope\u2014at the Committee stage of this bill, in which we will flesh out even further some of the rather suspect contributions of members opposed to the bill that betray the real homophobia that pervades this place, and that the message from some of the extremists out there are now in here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022055cdb0b460d4732a301510b03dff19b\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: Before I call the next member, I remind the Chamber that once a member has withdrawn and apologised on an issue, there is no point referring back to it, because it does not exist.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u002210c122af90484c3a9b1e9dd2c527fa14\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002210c122af90484c3a9b1e9dd2c527fa14\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I know that members opposite have gone on the offensive and have accused all sorts of people who do not support this bill for their use of language. I would like you to consider whether the member who has just spoken accusing those of us who do not support this bill of being \u201Chomophobes\u201D is in order. I take offence at it. I do not think it is appropriate language in this debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222fd5dd93f1284da3823a79a4b51217ff\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: I ask members, as I did earlier, to have respect, one for another, in this Chamber. I thank the member for raising that point. I do not need any help on it, and I will not do anything about it, but I thank him for raising it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea34732db3a945feb5c155cd1152c80c\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Chairperson, you need to make a simple ruling. I can think of all sorts of offensive words that I could use in this Chamber about members opposite. I do not intend to use them. I will not take myself down to their level. But you need to make a clear ruling as to whether it will be acceptable\u2014we will be debating this bill for the next couple of days, I understand\u2014for members like Georgina Beyer to accuse members who do not support this bill of being homophobes. I take offence. I think the member should withdraw and apologise. Alternatively, Mr Chairperson, you should rule that it is quite appropriate\u2014make a ruling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022 data-id=\u0022c5569a4ebd3148e2ae0ac21f9e496fe0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c5569a4ebd3148e2ae0ac21f9e496fe0\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member for furthering that point of order. I do not believe that the word was used in that context at all. I will not ask the member to withdraw and apologise for that particular comment. Members need not take that as licence to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c511ca4d6a8c4c0084d0e9a1895e3b3a\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Well, you have\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022988fbbebbdb14026925fad0b2beafdc6\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: That is what I am ruling. I have been trying to listen to the debate very carefully. I do not think the word was used in that context. I do not think the member was accusing members of being homophobic. I have made a ruling as to what I propose to do with the member. The Chamber has heard it. I have thanked the member who raised the matter for doing so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022 data-id=\u0022fda460b9267b486391775348a5f3b1b3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fda460b9267b486391775348a5f3b1b3\u0022\u003EGEORGINA BEYER (Labour\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. Notwithstanding the previous ruling that you have just handed down, could the term \u201Cdressed up in drag\u201D\u2014which I might find offensive, as well\u2014fit into the ruling that you just gave?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022259b9f528ce44452b475363b1974e910\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: I am quite aware of that, and that is why I asked members to have regard for other members in this Chamber. I find that if the word \u201Chomophobic\u201D is offensive, any reference to the word \u201Cdrag\u201D and saying that this bill is \u201Cmarriage in drag\u201D is just as offensive. Members could go on today and tomorrow being pulled up for all sorts of words. Members should have regard for that, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022 data-id=\u00223efbb5001d484c8a8537db922df820f6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223efbb5001d484c8a8537db922df820f6\u0022\u003EMURRAY SMITH (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I suggest that there is a big difference between accusing a person of being homophobic, or whatever, and suggesting that this bill is something other than what it purports to be. One addresses a person in the Chamber; a member of Parliament. That is clearly wrong. One that addresses this bill as being something else altogether has nothing to do with the people who are involved in it. It is a valid criticism of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022 data-id=\u002203ecf462e62e401ba9bebd97cf91dded\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002203ecf462e62e401ba9bebd97cf91dded\u0022\u003ESIMON POWER (Senior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E My understanding of the Standing Orders and Speakers\u2019 rulings is that these matters become matters that you need to rule on if an individual member takes offence. At that point, if the member takes offence, the member has a method at his or her disposal to raise the issue with you, and at that point, if the member has taken offence, you would probably require the offending party either to apologise or to withdraw and apologise. I think that if we work on the basis that if a member takes offence, the member can raise it at that point, we will get ourselves out of what has turned into a small quagmire.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022 data-id=\u002297a807c1f6264e24b7758fec350aa5dd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002297a807c1f6264e24b7758fec350aa5dd\u0022\u003ESTEPHEN FRANKS (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I suggest that in this particular debate, the word \u201Chomophobe\u201D is a useful term, and it would be unfortunate for us to end up interrupting the debate all the way through when it is a word that people are dying to use. I think that it says more about the poverty of intellect and argument of those who throw it as an allegation than it says about the recipient. But putting that aside, I think that when a word is ruled out that fits what they want to say so well, it ends up making the debate less rich, and with people simply searching for euphemisms. I would suggest that those of us who get accused of being homophobic know whether we are, and that we just thicken our skins and allow the debate to continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022 data-id=\u0022f9bd7409f8ee4d7abd2c19db41fa40e9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f9bd7409f8ee4d7abd2c19db41fa40e9\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: I thank members for raising that. I make no judgment on whether those two words that the member reminded the Committee of are equally offensive or not offensive at all. But it is all in the mind, and I know exactly what was meant by both words. I do not claim to have any more knowledge than anyone else here, but in respect of the point that Dr Nick Smith raised in particular to Ms Beyer, that should have been raised at the time she said it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002279ccf2cdb1cb4a3b9999ecf46d60c83e\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a8f9d25693e4a609b5ea3855ea5c51f\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: No, she had sat down. She had finished. I had called the next speaker, and so on. Let us move on, and give Dr Wayne Mapp a chance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022df788c48-b9be-42fd-b8f2-76629a5572b8\u0022 data-id=\u0022bb6aebc3f9cc443db3de57ae35a87bd5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022df788c48-b9be-42fd-b8f2-76629a5572b8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bb6aebc3f9cc443db3de57ae35a87bd5\u0022\u003EDr WAYNE MAPP (National\u2014North Shore):\u003C/span\u003E The question I have to ask is: why do so many members of this Parliament, and in particular Government members, fear the voice of the people? Why are they scared of a referendum? What makes their conscience any better than that of a member of the public? The reality is that members of Parliament are representatives of the public. We are no better and no worse. For that reason, and that reason alone, I believe this issue, along with all other conscience issues, ought to be placed before the public. We should not fear the public. After a full and extensive debate, they will make their judgment and, frankly, in many cases, that might be a surprise to members. I think that members of the New Zealand public are fair and balanced and, in the privacy of the ballot box, will cast their votes for what is fair. That is why I will be supporting the amendment put forward by Brian Donnelly and the amendments put forward by Richard Worth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022df788c48-b9be-42fd-b8f2-76629a5572b8\u0022\u003EI want to make it very clear. I polled the electorate in North Shore and, in a scientific poll, 56 percent of the public were opposed, 34 percent were for, and the balance were unclear. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c88a10bd48d4917bfcc2049f676427b\u0022\u003ETim Barnett\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s the question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022df788c48-b9be-42fd-b8f2-76629a5572b8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd95377565b1483cb433e80243adf917\u0022\u003EDr WAYNE MAPP\u003C/span\u003E: I know that Mr Barnett says: \u201CAh, but you asked the wrong question.\u201D, but I checked that, and that is not the case. More important, I checked the legislation in detail, and the reality is this. This legislation is, in fact, marriage by any other name. The form and substance of marriage are entirely reflected in the bill. There is a solemnisation procedure, people make undertakings, and the rules of consanguinity do apply. Those are precisely the things that we find in marriage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022df788c48-b9be-42fd-b8f2-76629a5572b8\u0022\u003EWhen people suggest that this Civil Union Bill is not effectively a marriage, they are wrong, because when one reads the bill, that is precisely what the proposition is. That is why Mr Worth has put up, in essence, an alternative that does look more like a civil union. A number of same-sex couples have said to me that they are concerned about next of kin issues. They are concerned about property issues. I want to make it clear that I did vote in the Property (Relationships) Bill to extend those property issues to same-sex couples, because those are the real issues that gay people are mostly concerned with. Well, there is a mechanism to fix those issues, and Mr Richard Worth\u2019s amendment will do precisely that. I believe that if the New Zealand public were given a clear and reasonable choice, they would extend the kinds of protections that Mr Worth is thinking of through a referendum. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022df788c48-b9be-42fd-b8f2-76629a5572b8\u0022\u003EI ask why the Government is so afraid of a referendum. Surely, as our democracy evolves, it is fundamental that we should be more willing to extend greater direct democracy to the people. There is an enormous passion for it. If one asks the public, that is what they want, and why do they want it? Because at their heart, they know that their consciences have as much validity as those of anyone in this Parliament. Surely, when we are talking about civil rights, we are talking about equality. Every person in this country who is an adult and who has thought about those things is able to make an informed decision. This Parliament has a historic opportunity to change the way that we do things in our democracy, and to extend civil rights to the people by an extension of our direct democracy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022df788c48-b9be-42fd-b8f2-76629a5572b8\u0022\u003EI want to know from the next Government speaker whether it will take that opportunity, because there is a real opportunity here, which should be taken. In other countries, such as the United States, many European countries, and Australia, there is a growing trend for direct democracy. There is a growing voice in New Zealand for direct democracy. Conscience issues are the perfect vehicle for those. Civil union: it is either yes or no. The drinking age: it is either 18 or 20. Brothels: one either wants them in one\u2019s community or one does not. The public are able to make common-sense, reasonable decisions on those issues. Those referendums would not be taking place in a vacuum; there would be a large and informed debate from both sides of the issue. They should be held at the time of general elections, to get the maximum participation, but we should ultimately trust the voice of the people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022 data-id=\u0022768e783c9cdb483ba133882149447f95\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022768e783c9cdb483ba133882149447f95\u0022\u003ELARRY BALDOCK (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to make a contribution to this debate, which is very controversial. The House would not be in urgency at this particular time if it were not controversial, and it is the intention of the Government to try to rush this bill through before Christmas, in the hope of getting it out of the way before we enter next year\u2019s election cycle. It is also a very passionate debate. I believe that all members stand to speak with a great deal of concern, either for or against this legislation, and the debate will not be conducted without passion. Members hope to conduct themselves in the Chamber with some respect, but we will not be able to debate this matter devoid of passion, because it is a very, very serious issue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003E I oppose this legislation because I believe it does do serious damage to the institution of marriage in New Zealand, and in particular to the importance of the way our families are constituted in this country. There are some foolish things said, and even more foolish things done, though, in the midst of this debate. I think all of us would regret some of the things we have heard said, or seen written, or actions that have been taken, that do not help in being able to address this subject and this bill with the seriousness that it deserves. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EBut this is not all one-sided. Before we have sanctimonious claims from one side of the debate, that all the errors are on the other side, I would like to refer the Committee to the issue of Express magazine that was published immediately after the first reading of this legislation. The front page of the magazine had pictures of all the MPs who voted against this bill on its first reading, and the title of the page was: \u201CThe Ugly Face of Homophobia\u201D. I believe that is a terrible injustice to this Parliament and an injustice to those MPs who have voted, according to their conscience, against this legislation. I remind those who are supporters of the legislation to bear that in mind and to consider the way in which we may conduct ourselves in this debate, before they begin throwing stones across the other side of the Chamber. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EWhen we speak of upholding marriage, we are speaking about not seeing the need for the State to justify or to give formal recognition to same-sex relationships. That really is the issue. Whenever we raise this we are accused of being very narrow. Just yesterday I was in Australia, attending the National Prayer Breakfast in the House of Parliament in Canberra. Many of the members of that Parliament, and indeed the public of Australia, are very proud of the fact that they passed an amendment to their Marriage Act this year, upholding the fact that marriage will always be for a relationship between a man and a woman. Those who oppose our stance on this legislation and would call us narrow, would have to address that concern against all of our colleagues across the Tasman, in Australia, and I do not think they would appreciate that too much. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EWe have also seen this year in the US elections, and in particular in 11 states in the US, referenda held on whether same-sex relationships should be recognised either in civil unions or in gay marriage. The people of those states overwhelmingly rejected those proposals, which is one of the reasons why I believe the Government is afraid to allow this issue to go to a referendum here in New Zealand. We believe that if more time were allowed for the debate and more New Zealanders were brought up to speed on what this legislation really is about, there would be an overwhelming rejection of it by referendum in this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EToo many New Zealanders fall into the trap of being tolerant, without becoming fully aware of what the issues are really about. When asked if they condone same-sex relationships, most New Zealanders will say they do not object, they want to leave people alone, and they do not want to be judgmental. But when we dig deeper into what this legislation may in fact do over time we find there are some serious issues that will be raised. There is no provision in this legislation to prevent discrimination from being placed upon those who have a different opinion from those who support civil relationships, or same-sex relationships. What really concerns me is not what this may do to marriage in my generation, or in my children\u2019s generation, but what it will do to my grandchildren, and generations beyond that, as those who are intent on making same-sex relationships equivalent to marriage continue in their campaign over time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EI do not believe this legislation will affect my marriage at all. I am entirely confident that after 27 years my wife and I have worked out a fairly stable relationship. I do not believe it will affect my children\u2019s relationships. My two daughters, who are 26 and 25 years of age, have married, and I believe they will be able to sustain any attack from this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022 data-id=\u0022315e44b0c9ff4b0a9cd190373159d5b6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022315e44b0c9ff4b0a9cd190373159d5b6\u0022\u003ETIM BARNETT (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E I mainly want to talk about public opinion, because that has been an issue raised by a number of speakers, but I would just like to start with a couple of challenges to members to respond to. One is in response to something Dr Nick Smith said earlier. I would like to know from Nick Smith in what sense the virtue and the purity of his marriage is threatened by this proposal for civil unions. He said it is and I would like to know how. In terms of Mr Baldock, who talked about unintended consequences, I want to hear from one of the opponents to this bill what were the unintended consequences of the decriminalisation of gay sex 18 years ago, and what were the unintended consequences of the introduction of human rights protections 10 years ago. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EThose are fundamental questions, but let us move on to the issue of public opinion. First of all, in terms of opinion polls, rather than just quoting who we listen to, let us look at scientific opinion polls. Four polls have been held in New Zealand over the last 14 months on this issue. In October 2003, ACNielsen (NZ) Ltd found 64 percent support and 30 percent opposition; in April 2004, the One News Colmar Brunton poll found 46 percent support and 34 percent opposition; the 3 News poll in July 2004 found 59 percent support and 39 percent opposition; and in the New Zealand Herald poll in September 2004, the figure was 56 percent for and 39 percent against. So there seems to me to be quite a comprehensive public endorsement of the proposal of civil union. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EIf we turn to the issue of the mandate, three political parties in this Chamber committed in their manifestos at the last election to either introduce or support this legislation, namely, the Greens, the Progressive Party, and the Labour Party. That certainly is a mandate for this House to deal with the issue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003ELet us turn to the issue of media comment, and what better source than the Ashburton Guardian. Thank goodness the narrow views of Mr Connell do not represent those of the people of Ashburton. In its editorial of 30 November 2004, entitled \u201CGays, lesbians need their rights\u201D, the Ashburton Guardian spoke of gay and lesbian people in New Zealand being allowed the same rights, in its view, as other couples. The editorial asked: \u201CDo we not pride ourselves on being liberal in this country?\u201D. While some people in New Zealand may not agree that people of the same sex should even be together, and maybe their local MP is one of those, the fact is it happens, has happened for a long time, and will never stop. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003ELet us turn to its editorial opinion after the Destiny New Zealand march, entitled \u201CBigotry might be their destiny but it\u2019s not ours\u201D. \u201CThe hysteria and homophobia over the Civil Union Bill show just how immature we are as a country. \u2026 Homosexuality isn\u2019t a lifestyle choice. It\u2019s a condition. If two men or two women live together in love, we should respect their decision and commitment and move on. People shouldn\u2019t be scorned because of their sexuality, just as they shouldn\u2019t be scorned because of their race or religion or gender.\u201D It goes on to state that this bill has forced people to nail their colours to the mast. I can tell Mr Connell that it states: \u201CYou can support homosexuals without being judged one yourself.\u201D It ends: \u201CGod knows New Zealand has problems. But homosexuality isn\u2019t one of them.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EThen we might like to turn to Dr Wayne Mapp\u2019s scientific poll. I notice that he did not give us the wording of that poll. He gave me the wording during a select committee meeting after he challenged me on it. The scientific poll contained four factual inaccuracies. Any polling that does not have fair and balanced questions is not effective. Dr Mapp had the opportunity, when he spoke, to give us the wording of the poll that he used in his electorate, and he failed to do that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EI think one of the truest things said in this whole debate was a comment by Stephen Franks, again when the Justice and Electoral Committee was meeting, when he said: \u201CWell, in reference to the Civil Union Bill, the issues actually are pretty simple. You are either for it, or you are against it.\u201D The issue is one of fundamental human rights and fundamental human dignity. Of course Stephen Franks rather spoiled that by first of all supporting it, then going against it. I do not quite know what it says about him. I really just want to point out that at the end of the day, public opinion is behind this legislation. It is good, solid, mainstream, Kiwi, liberal legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022 data-id=\u0022c80e3fa1e4fa43858b5b44e7afcf84aa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c80e3fa1e4fa43858b5b44e7afcf84aa\u0022\u003ENANDOR TANCZOS (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I have already spoken in this Chamber about my view of this word \u201Chomophobia\u201D, which has been used. I said before that I think the word is actually misguided because I do not think it is about fear of homos, it is about fear of a pluralist society. It is about fear of diversity in a society in which we accept other people for who they are rather than who we think they should be. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022\u003EIt is quite strange to see a number of members in this Committee whose parties talk about one law for all, then vote against this bill. When they talk about one law for all, are they talking about a law that is impartial and treats all people equally? Or, are they talking about a law that is monolithic and says there is only one way of living one\u2019s life, and, if one does not live his or her life according to their way then the law is against one? In particular, I look at some of the members of ACT and most of the members of the National Party who, I think, are weaselling out of what they know is the right thing to do\u2014to support this bill\u2014by using convoluted arguments that I think they know in their hearts are actually quite wrong. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022\u003EWhen we talk about one law for all it seems that some members of the Committee have the view of equal rights espoused by Napoleon. I do not mean the Corsican emperor, I mean the one in Animal Farm who said: \u201CAll animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.\u201D I think it is a shame that some members of this Committee want to continue a status quo that would maintain that, and it is a good thing that it appears very likely they are going to fail in that attempt. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022\u003EI would like to address the question of whether there should be a referendum. I have no doubt in my own mind that a referendum would pass. Polls indicate that while gay marriage is not supported by the majority of New Zealanders, most of us do appear to support civil unions or something like that. I think in that sense the numbers in this Committee probably reflect, to quite a large degree, public opinion. We are probably a little bit more conservative in this Chamber than the New Zealand public, but I think that we are roughly representative of the position of New Zealanders. I think that it would pass because New Zealanders pride themselves on tolerance, on a sense of fairness, and on respect for human rights. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022\u003ESo, as I say, I do think that a referendum would be in favour of this bill, but I do not agree that this question should be put to a referendum. That is because, firstly, it is simply a stalling tactic, and it is time that we passed this bill. It has been a long time in the Justice and Electoral Committee, and it has been a long time in front of this Parliament. Those who say that this is a rushed process are simply misleading the public when they make those statements. Secondly, I do not believe that the rights of minorities should be subject to a majority veto. It is interesting that members such as Mr Wayne Mapp, who talked on this issue, say that they want conscience questions\u2014primarily moral questions\u2014decided by a referendum. I have never heard the member argue for a referendum on genetic engineering, or on free-trade agreements for that matter. No, no, it is only on moral issues. He thinks it is only those questions that New Zealanders should have the right to decide on directly for themselves. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022\u003EI do not believe, and the Green Party does not believe, that the rights of minorities should be subject to majority veto. This is not the kind of question that should be put to a referendum. This is a basic question of: do we support human rights, or do we not? Do we support equality for all New Zealanders, or do we not? It is as simple as that. It is an abdication of our responsibility if members say they support the bill but they will vote against it because there is no referendum. That is an absolute abdication of those members\u2019 responsibilities as legislators. I make particular reference to Dr Don Brash, who said that he supports the bill. He said that he would support the issue in a referendum, but he will vote against the bill. I find his reasoning there a little hard to understand. We were elected to this Parliament to legislate, and I think it shows a lack of comprehension of what we were elected to do, and what the role of a parliamentarian actually is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022\u003EBefore I finish I would like to challenge Brian Donnelly and Ron Mark. The Hon Brian Donnelly put up the Supplementary Order Paper on a referendum. I accept that that is in line with his party\u2019s policies, and I accept that he has a genuine reason for doing so, because that is the position that that party takes. But my challenge is, if it fails, what will those members then do? Will they oppose the bill? They voted for it according to their conscience; will they vote against their conscience in the future?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u0022fbba6bf2a4434950b458814df1d2ef50\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fbba6bf2a4434950b458814df1d2ef50\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E The fundamental question that Parliament should be asking itself this afternoon is: will we make society stronger by making de facto relationships, same-sex relationships, and married people\u2019s relationships exactly the same? That is the real key. All this wash we hear about human rights, etc. comes back to what will make society stronger.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EThe basic view I come from is that the family unit of mum, dad, and the kids is overwhelmingly shown in all the social research to provide the best environment in which to raise children. If we look at all the risk factors we so often debate in this Parliament, whether in terms of kids\u2019 educational achievement, health statistics, or youth crime, we see that in all of those the evidence is overwhelming that families do best when there is a mum and a dad\u2014not a mum and a mum, not a dad and a dad, but a mum and a dad.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EWhy does that matter? Well, it matters because the very future of our society is our children. I hear much hand-wringing from Labour members\u2014they are concerned about child abuse in New Zealand, they are concerned about educational outcomes, and they are concerned about child poverty\u2014yet the very institution of marriage and family that can best deliver those things for our society is being undermined by this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EMr Tim Barnett decided to get very personal and to refer to my own marriage. I would have preferred that we did not. I am proud of my marriage. It is not perfect, but I am proud of it, and I am proud of the institution of marriage. But the question is: well, if we let everybody have it, does that undermine it? Let me ask members: if we let everybody get school certificate, does that undermine it for those who currently pass? Of course it does. [Interruption] Well, I know for Judith Tizard that it is part of Labour\u2019s education programme to drive down standards of education, and that it wants to do the same with our relationships. But if we go to the Olympic Games and say: \u201CEverybody is going to get a gold medal.\u201D, does that undermine the value of the medal for those who get it? Of course it does.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EThen we come to the argument from Moana Mackey. She says the reason we need to get rid of marriage and provide for civil unions is that society is a secular society\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b1b5881-3b86-4894-ac77-72905f786141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e7e04f603b54b88bf97186a3c73d44e\u0022\u003EHon Judith Tizard\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s speech is full of lies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a70c0af67194a6d9ba3a3ce09211891\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: There is nothing in the Marriage Act, and I have it right here before me\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b683a94d0f094d4ea0f4c5b3012f733d\u0022\u003EDail Jones\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. I am sick and tired of Labour members making unparliamentary statements. If Ms Tizard wants to say something is a lie, she should take a call. I distinctly heard what she said regarding Dr Nick Smith\u2019s speech, and these Labour members should be brought to order. That member should be made to withdraw and apologise for saying that Dr Nick Smith\u2019s speech was a lie.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c7bdf79a16cc40029d85b611db1fbfc5\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member. The member is absolutely correct, and I will ask the member to withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003EI furthermore remind members that Chairperson Clem Simich indicated to them that interjections should be kept to a minimum. I say because this is a conscience issue that members should try to respect other members. The member will withdraw and apologise, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b1b5881-3b86-4894-ac77-72905f786141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002266a6d3763ff54304b46fa5c6ac2196a8\u0022\u003EHon Judith Tizard\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022992c4b3739234faf92ab156891dbeaa7\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Labour member Moana Mackey said the reason we had to create this new institution of civil union was that society is secular. I openly respect that. We are a secular society; it should not be for the State to impose religion. But I have the Marriage Act here. Nowhere in it does it have any religious overtone. In fact, only a third of weddings today are actually held within a church. So to somehow say that we need to introduce this whole new concept of a civil union on the basis that marriage is solely Christian is wrong\u2014it is just incorrect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EThen we come to the argument that this is not really gay marriage. Well, let me read what the bill said when it was introduced. Clause 42(2) stated that the word marriage was taken to include civil union. I will read it again. All the way through an amendment to the Family Proceedings Act, the word marriage was taken to include civil union. Well, if that is not gay marriage, I do not know what it is. That is as clear as day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EI note in a gay magazine that Tim Barnett and the Prime Minister have said how proud they are that the Labour Party has delivered gay marriage. They did not say \u201Ccivil union\u201D in the magazine; they said \u201Cgay marriage\u201D. They know that the majority of New Zealanders are opposed to gay marriage, so they have had their spin doctors getting every Labour member who takes the call to try to pretend that this is not the gay marriage bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022 data-id=\u0022a47e6f0c55eb4b73817bb09c9afeddf0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a47e6f0c55eb4b73817bb09c9afeddf0\u0022\u003EDARREN HUGHES (Labour\u2014Otaki):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to support Part 1 of the Civil Union Bill. I say \u201CCivil Union Bill\u201D, because that is what we are discussing. Parliament is debating whether to create a new mechanism for gay and straight couples in New Zealand to have their relationships legally recognised by the law\u2014not approved in some kind of opinion poll or text message competition, not accepted by everyone who lives in their street thinking they are an appropriate couple to be together, and not determined by each individual member of Parliament. We are deciding whether two people who are in love with each other should be able to bowl up and have their relationship recognised by law. It is quite a simple matter. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EInstead, a lot of members of Parliament are saying that somehow there has to be some great competition: that somehow in Parliament today we are trying to decide whether in the future every New Zealander should live in a gay civil union relationship or in a heterosexual marriage. But this is not a competition. This is about looking at New Zealand in the 21st century, about seeing the range of relationships that exist throughout our communities, our families, our businesses, and everywhere in our country today, and about deciding whether the law should recognise the diversity of those relationships.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EWe are not trying to say that one relationship is better than the other. We are not trying to say that marriage is a terrible thing that has failed and therefore should be abolished and replaced with a civil union. We are simply providing an option for New Zealanders who either do not want to marry in the case of heterosexual de facto couples, or whom we are continuing to forbid to be married, in the case of same-sex couples. But here we are in Parliament with lots of members, as the new kind of moral crusaders and pioneers of righteousness, puffing up their chests and trying to say that they are protecting marriage and all that is moralistic and right in our society, while also saying that other members are somehow trying to tear apart the fabric of New Zealand. We are not in a competition in this debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EWhat members have been trying to do, with the marriage side of things and the Marriage Act, is to say that this is some sort of pale imitation of marriage. I challenge members on that. They say that the wording in the Civil Union Bill is similar to the wording in the Marriage Act. I see that Dr Smith has a copy of the Marriage Act. I suspect, and I do not know whether I am right about this, that that would be one of the first times Dr Nick Smith has read the Marriage Act. I suspect that when he became engaged to his wife and they had a wonderful romantic evening, he did not read the Marriage Act. I bet that most members of Parliament had not read the Marriage Act before they were married to their partners\u2014it is administrative law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003ESo let us not get hung up on the words we are using in Parliament to give effect to people\u2019s day-to-day lives, because ordinary people out there who are at work at the moment, be they gay or straight, will not look at legislation for its wording to see how they want to live their lives together. I think that we are taking ourselves a little too seriously with regard to the way in which we are conducting the debate. In a very competitive manner we are trying to say that one relationship is better than the other, and that somehow thousands of couples who want to get together will read administrative law before deciding what relationship will suit them better.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EOn the issue of the referendum referred to by Mr Tanczos, I tell members that I agree with the sentiments he raised. The referendum was kind of thrown up at the last minute by some members as a way to try to divert attention from the issue, with the exception, of course, of New Zealand First members who have a longstanding policy on referenda. But there comes a time in this Parliament where we sometimes have to stand up and do what we think is the right thing, even though we are not sure what the majority of people out there might think about it. For example, I represent 55,000 people. I will not tell members what is in the souls of 55,000 people on this bill. I will not pretend to do that. I will make a value judgment myself, and of course I will be held accountable for it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EBut I put this point to members: imagine if it were said that there ought to be a referendum about giving women the right to vote, when the entire electorate was made up of male voters or when the entire Parliament was made up of men who said: \u201CNo, this is far too important. Let\u2019s have a referendum on it.\u201D I suspect that that referendum would have been lost. I do not think that we would have ever freed the slaves by a referendum. I do not think that we would have ever done a whole lot of things around referenda, so Parliament has to make the call on those kinds of decisions and show the leadership that is necessary for minority groups. I do not want to spend my life going around picking on minority groups and making derogatory comments about them. I am not interested in that; I am interested in our getting on with these things. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EI hear Mr Franks interjecting. I knew that Mr Franks would end up opposing this bill, because people like him always find some kind of superfluous, at-the-margin kind of reason to oppose the extension of rights and protections to people. They always have some sort of last-minute objection. Even though on a good day with a tail wind they would support it, they say: \u201COh, no, here comes the reason why I cannot have it.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EI will not do that, because I will make sure that we do provide rights for people, that we affirm people in what they are doing, and that we do not run around the place in some sort of competitive mode. In the end, I support Part 1. I do not think anyone\u2019s marriage is undermined because Bob and Bob, living four streets away, will have the law recognise their relationship. That is totally superfluous when one thinks about everyone who lives in one\u2019s community.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022 data-id=\u0022641a755d3133416ea1d316b38f56cd56\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022641a755d3133416ea1d316b38f56cd56\u0022\u003ECRAIG McNAIR (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I am glad to speak in this debate, although the bill is very disturbing in many ways. The way in which the process has taken place, and the rush and haste in which this legislation is being rammed through, are a diabolical disgrace. They are an outrage to this Parliament and this nation\u2014and those members know it. They constantly say that it has been a good process and so on, but I ask why it has been one of the quickest\u2014or the quickest\u2014process in our parliamentary history? It is an absolute outrage, and I believe that a lot of people in this country say that, as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003EIf this Government is so sure that the people of New Zealand want this legislation, it should put it to a referendum. If Government members are so sure they are representing the people of this nation, they should put the legislation to a referendum and let the people have their say. This Government should stop being a minority Government and start to be a Government of the people. But the Government has no desire to do that, because I think it knows that it would lose a referendum. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003EIf Moana Mackey is so sure, why does she not support an amendment proposing a referendum. If she is so sure that the people of New Zealand would support this liberal legislation, she would let the people of Gisborne, whom she wants to represent in the future, have their say through a referendum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003EOne can look at the liberal State of Oregon in the United States. I pinpoint Oregon because it is supposed to be like New Zealand in many ways. It is not like the conservative southern states of the US; it is a more liberal state on the west coast. I use Oregon as an example, because prior to a referendum in the United States on widening the definition of marriage and allowing same-sex couples to marry, there was a lot of coverage of different politicians, activists, and so on, by the media about how Oregon would vote affirmatively in that referendum. By watching the media and by hearing everybody talking about that referendum, one would have thought that that would happen. But Oregon was one of the 11 States that voted against it. Even Oregon, one of the most liberal States, which is supposed to be more like our society in New Zealand, voted the referendum down. If members in this Parliament are so confident that this legislation is for the people, they should put it to the people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0e1a4bf52604e45888db480a49e3b50\u0022\u003EDail Jones\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s New Zealand First\u2019s view on that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228050b59528704e449fb7b8b72db858a1\u0022\u003ECRAIG McNAIR\u003C/span\u003E: New Zealand First\u2019s view has always been to put this kind of legislation to a referendum and to let the people decide. That is what we are saying. That is what I am saying to Moana Mackey, who thinks she has the people on her side. If she is so sure, she should put it to the people. That is what we say; that is what New Zealand First says: we should put it to the people. New Zealand First is a party that represents the people, not a party that represents minorities. We are proud of that. We ask members to support our amendment to allow this legislation to go to a referendum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003EWhat is established and recognised by law becomes official, obviously. We all know that. This Government has already officially allowed and recognised practices that the average New Zealander out there, I believe, thinks are abhorrent, like the Prostitution Law Reform Bill championed by Tim Barnett, the member from Christchurch Central, and like women being fathers, fathers being mothers, and all that unbelievable rubbish the Government has been pushing through Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003EThis Government, I believe, has effectively declared itself the godless Labour Party. When there is a party vote I think we should call Labour the \u201CGodless Labour Party\u201D instead of the New Zealand Labour Party. That is what I think the Labour Party should be called. It should change its name, and say it as it is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022 data-id=\u00229a87df45f5204361a20cc8530ec996d5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229a87df45f5204361a20cc8530ec996d5\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E We have only to raise our eyebrows slightly at Craig McNair and he absolutely explodes into this huge tirade of enthusiasm. I was not even referring to anything that he was particularly talking about at the time. If the member is happy, when the amendment concerning the referendum comes up later in the Committee stage I will be pleased to give him my views on a referendum. At this point I will say only that my concern with referenda is that a country like Switzerland, which uses referenda regularly, did not give women the vote until 1971. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI would like to address some of the comments that the Hon Dr Nick Smith made. I never quite understand the comparison between School Certificate and civil unions. I thought that everyone in this country was allowed to sit School Certificate. Some people passed, and some people did not. It is just like marriage. Some people do really well and some people stuff up. But they are allowed to have another go at it, just like School Certificate. I find it difficult to understand the comparison. Of course, with marriage not everyone can have the opportunity to make a really good go of it, or learn from the experience.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d5f16e808db44f1a853be62fb4015483\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Everybody can get married.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f47e8bb9ed4e465d9ec207be865756cb\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: I say to Dr Smith that if they are gay, they can only marry if they pretend to be in love with someone whom they are not actually in love with. Dr Smith might endorse that, but I do not. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EThe other point, which came up quite a lot at the select committee, is to say that somehow it is like the Olympics or the All Blacks. Would we let everyone be an All Black or be an Olympian? It would mean that not everyone who is an All Black or an Olympian would feel special. Here again, we have this misguided idea that we are choosy about the people whom we let marry, which of course we are not. If we let only the top 26 couples in New Zealand marry, that might not be a bad idea because they would probably be quite good at it. But we do not do that, of course. We do not let only the people who are good at marriage get married; we let anyone get married. As long as someone is heterosexual, or gay and pretends to be heterosexual, as long as someone is not already married, and as long as he or she is not marrying someone who is a close blood relative, then that person can get married. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI find it funny that all these people stand up and say that marriage is about all these wonderful things\u2014which it absolutely is, it stands for the raising of children, and it stands for good parenting\u2014and they then turn round and say that it is not about religion because that is not in the Marriage Act. Being a good parent is not in the Marriage Act either. We have many, many wonderful parents in this country who are not married. We might not like it, we might say we wish they were married, but the reality is that an increasing number of New Zealanders do not want to get married. We can give them another opportunity to formalise their relationship because, let us face it, it is easier for a Government if people are in legal relationships. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EWe see the problems that we have. The Justice and Electoral Committee at the moment is looking at the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill. We are looking at the issues around social security and superannuation, when it comes to de facto couples. It is really hard. I would much rather that they were in a legal, formalised relationship, so that there would not be any question whether this person is in a de facto relationship, or whether we will have to spend lots of money investigating the relationship, taking the advice of neighbours who say they saw this person staying at someone\u2019s home for 3 nights a week, then that person having to go to court to say that it is not a de facto relationship, they are just friends. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EIt costs a lot of money, it is difficult, and it is becoming a bigger problem in New Zealand because more people are choosing not to marry. Even if it is only a small percentage of people\u2014and bear in mind that in countries like the Netherlands and France there has been a huge uptake in this type of scheme for heterosexual couples\u2014it is a lot easier for the Government. I think that is a pragmatic point that should be raised. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EAnother issue that I want to touch on is the children in these relationships. While it is true that most of these relationships do not involve children, a number of them do and they will continue to, regardless of whether this bill passes. The research\u2014and committee members read an awful lot of research\u2014states quite clearly that two-parent families have better outcomes for children than single-parent families, and that is just common sense. When we look at the financial constraints on families, and the parenting questions, if there are two people to share them it is a lot of easier. But the research does not say that heterosexual parents are better than homosexual parents. This research has started to develop only in the last 20 years, but it does not say that. The research says that the commitment of the parents to each other and to the children is what is important. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI can get the research for the member, Nick Smith, who is shaking his head, if he wants to read it. We can choose to make law here, based on emotion, on myths, and on fallacies, or we can choose to make law based on facts. The select committee has looked at a large amount of research. The research does not say that de facto couples are worse parents. It does not say that gay couples are worse parents. In fact, funnily enough, a lot of the research has come up saying that because gay people cannot accidentally become pregnant, then often they are so enthusiastic when they do have a child that they are far better parents.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022 data-id=\u0022e3fa8313d63c418b864d5c3464b8631c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e3fa8313d63c418b864d5c3464b8631c\u0022\u003EMARC ALEXANDER (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E We have heard an awful lot in the past about human rights but this bill is really all about extending human rights. But it is really about scratching an itch and turning it into legislation. It is about legitimating a series of wants. People stick up their hands and say: \u201CI want my relationship to be legitimated by the State. Make a law for me. Give me a civil union.\u201D Somebody else will turn round and talk about a man and two women, or two men and one woman, and so on. They will stick up their hands and say: \u201CThis is what I want.\u201D, and they will try to ask for that relationship to be legitimated. We have lost the plot. We have marriage, de facto relationships, single people, divorced partners, and now civil union. How many more categories of adults do we need? We will carry on, to a ridiculous point where we will have a tailor-made category for every single adult in this country, and the Government will sanction it. It is mad. It is all in the name of so-called human rights. It is absolute bollocks. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022\u003EThis bill is about wants. It is about saying to people that just because they want something, it will be legitimated. It is an absolute nonsense. It makes no sense whatsoever. We have here civil union, which is nothing more than gay marriage. I would prefer civil union to come out of the closet and call itself \u201Cgay marriage\u201D. Just widen marriage, if that is really what people want to do. But no, because the Government does not think that the public of New Zealand will accept that, it can reproduce it and call it something else and legitimate that relationship anyway. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022\u003EThe odd thing about it is that we have countries around the world that, quite legitimately, have seen fit to have polygamous relationships. Those relationships have endured for thousands of years. But instead of looking at that, and maybe bringing it into our orbit of legitimacy through the State, we are jumping the gun and looking at a very small proportion of the population of this country, who will wake up one day and say: \u201CHey, turn my want into a right.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022\u003EThat makes no sense to me, at all. The fact is if gay people want to have a legitimised relationship, all they have to do is call a marriage celebrant and have a ceremony. They can have around them the people who matter to them, and enjoy the party. If someone wants to have an authority over another\u2019s estate, or body if that person is in hospital, he or she can go to a lawyer and have a document drawn up. We do not need the State\u2019s involvement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022\u003EI am personally against de facto relationships. I do not see that the State should be involved in trying to determine the qualitative aspects of any relationship. People either want to get married, or they do not. The State should just butt out. It is nobody\u2019s business at all. The reason why the Government ought to be involved with marriage? The simple answer is that the natural consequence of marriage happens to be children\u2014overwhelmingly so. For that reason, and that reason alone, the State ought to be involved. Children are not a natural consequence of gay relationships. If gay people do have children in their relationships, guardianship laws provide for that. They do not need an alternative to marriage. There is no necessity for it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022\u003E So the idea of dressing up human wants as human rights, is nothing more than ideology. It is self-serving legislation to confer a measure that some people will feel grateful for, and in turn reward the Government at the ballot box. It is nothing short of that. There is no urgency for this measure. I do not see people marching up and down the streets demanding the right to have civil unions. But the Government has decided to include this on its agenda, for no specific purpose. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022\u003EThere are an awful lot of issues out there that we should be concerning ourselves with. Indeed, 92 percent of the population told us they want tougher sentencing, and for victims to be at the heart of our criminal justice system. The Government has done nothing about that. It did not listen to the demands of 92 percent of the population. I have not seen people marching up and down the streets demanding civil unions. The public does not want this bill. It is not necessary. This is a clear-cut agenda by a small group of individuals within the Labour caucus who decided they wanted to scratch an itch and legitimise civil unions through the State. That is all it is. It is legitimating a human want by means of legislation. It is unnecessary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u0022ae7f5e5a2ff64dcf91900ae2f069a155\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ae7f5e5a2ff64dcf91900ae2f069a155\u0022\u003EDAVID PARKER (Labour\u2014Otago):\u003C/span\u003E I rise in support of the bill. I am married and I have children. I am not at all threatened by civil union. I do not think it undermines marriage. The easiest way to assess it is by applying the general principle\u2014does the conferring of rights on a minority ever undermine the majority? The answer is no. It never does. The conferring of rights on a minority does not undermine the majority. It really is that simple. We have seen it expressed that simply in just about every editorial in every major newspaper in New Zealand. Why would conferring rights on the minority undermine the majority? It does not in other instances of human rights; why would it here? If we were to find there was a cause for panic in that that would be the outcome, we would look to what has happened overseas. If we look at a map of Europe, most of Europe now has civil union\u2014certainly most by population. It is throughout Scandinavia, France, Denmark, The Netherlands, Germany, United Kingdom, and Belgium. They are even considering it now in staunchly Catholic countries like Spain. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EIf we look at the countries that have had civil union the longest, there is no evidence that there has been an increase in the rate of breakdown in marriage. There is no evidence that there has been a decrease in the rate of marriage. In fact, the trends are the same as they were previously. In most Western countries, and our country is no exception, we have slightly increasing rates of marriage and slightly decreasing rates of divorce, and that will not change through the passage of this legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EPeople say we should be doing this by way of changing the Marriage Act. The previous speaker said that is the way; that if rights were to be accorded to gay people to have their union recognised, we should do that through a change to the Marriage Act. I disagree. I think this bill is the appropriate way to do it. Marriage does have religious connotations. Marriage pre-dates legal institutions. It was originally an institution of societies, regulated through churches. If we were to have a revolution in New Zealand and legal authority were to break down, we would still have the institution of marriage. It has at its heart its legitimacy in those religious institutions. Many in those religious institutions say that marriage should remain the province of a union of a man and a woman. I agree. That is why we are not doing this through the Marriage Act, because that would be to undermine the institution of marriage in the eyes of those who see it, in religious terms, as being the sole preserve of a man and a woman. So it would be inappropriate to do it by way of amendment to the Marriage Act, and it is appropriate to do it outside of that paradigm, through civil union. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003ESome say that we should have a referendum. Well, that is just an abrogation of responsibility. If we look overseas, what has happened in referendum-based countries? The one that is most quoted to us is Switzerland. In Switzerland, which does place great reliance on referenda, when do members think that women, through referendum, gained the vote? Does anyone know the answer?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fcc23fc74ce44b42ad21e02269ce39b2\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: 1970s.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ae1777416e90433e9d4e411e5bcc1af3\u0022\u003EDAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: It was 1973. I thank the member. So as late as the 1970s women in parts of Switzerland did not have the vote, because they had referendum-based decision-making on issues such as that. The rights of minorities will never be protected in a referendum\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b1b5881-3b86-4894-ac77-72905f786141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229aef3d392f4a4015b6c45ab2741df872\u0022\u003EHon Judith Tizard\u003C/span\u003E: Women weren\u2019t a minority.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fe556547baf041aab18ebbddf48c1e7d\u0022\u003EDAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: They were a minority in terms of voting, because if one put that issue to the vote, those who had franchise to vote on it were men. So they would not extend the right of voting to women. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThe Timaru Herald represents an area that\u2014like my own electorate of Otago\u2014some would say is conservative. I would not say it is conservative; I think most southern electorates are actually liberal. The paper reported what people were saying about the Civil Union Bill and the call for a referendum. It stated that Dr Brash and others were clutching at straws last week in trying to have the matter decided by public referendum. \u201CDr Brash was trying to win cheap political points. He actually supports the bill. But a referendum is a bad idea. Would it be binding? If so, the bill would likely be defeated. And that would go against Dr Brash\u2019s stance. So to win votes he\u2019s prepared to compromise what he believes. That\u2019s pretty shallow. Non binding? What would be the point?\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022 data-id=\u00225a536605a3934c05bd405d2ef5230bbb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225a536605a3934c05bd405d2ef5230bbb\u0022\u003EDAIL JONES (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E This is my first call on the matter, and I appreciate it. New Zealand First supports a referendum on this issue, as it would on many other issues. I take Nandor Tanczos\u2019 point. As I said in my second reading speech, New Zealand First would support a referendum on the legislation dealing with GM, and suchlike; we have said that. As far as a free-trade agreement is concerned, in direct democracy that could be the subject of a referendum, as well. So it is a question of what the people want. New Zealand First is prepared to accept what the people want, and to set out a very clear question; hence the amendment to the legislation from Brian Donnelly to put this to the vote of the people and ask them whether they want a Civil Union Bill in the form that is before us today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EOf course, this is a gay marriage bill. It is based on the Marriage Act. The Government has taken the Marriage Act and replaced the word \u201Cmarriage\u201D with \u201Ccivil union\u201D. If we look at the Civil Union Bill, and\u2014for all those members who are interested\u2014at, say, clause 15 the words: \u201CCompare: 1955 No 92\u201D is a reference to the Marriage Act. This bill is based entirely on the Marriage Act. All the Government has done is to do what all lawyers do when they want to create something new: they find the best precedent. The best precedent for the Civil Union Bill is the Marriage Act. The words have been changed to \u201Ccivil union\u201D, but otherwise the Government has virtually used the Marriage Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EThis bill is marriage in drag, as someone said a little while ago. The Government is pretending it is not marriage, but in fact that is what it is. That is what the Government wants, of course. We have heard it said that a Labour Minister wants to be the first to go down the aisle and get married, in terms of this bill. He is waiting for it. Of course, that is the debt due to him from Helen Clark, because he was the one\u2014was he not\u2014who destroyed the painting for which she was getting into so much trouble, and as a result she could not be charged in court. That is the pay-off to him for this legislation. That is what this bill is all about. It is a pay-off by Helen Clark to a very few people who have done so much for her in the past. It is as simple as that. How many people would be eligible for gay marriage? It is fewer than 10,000. So here we are passing a bill whereby, if everyone who was in that type of relationship decided to take it up, we would have 5,000 civil unions. We are passing legislation for as small a number of people as that. Is that so important? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EWe have on the Order Paper at the moment the Lawyers and Conveyancers Bill. More people are affected by that bill\u2014probably five times as many\u2014as are affected under the Civil Union Bill. The Lawyers and Conveyancers Bill has been before the House for about a year. The Civil Union Bill has been before the House for about 3 months. That is the priority this Government has. It is ramming this bill through the House, and of course before Christmas, in the hope that it will go away next year. Well, New Zealand First will make sure that it will not go away next year. I am confident this will be a matter of our election policy, that there will be a referendum on the gay marriage legislation being put forward by the Labour Party. There is absolutely no doubt about it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First was accused by Georgina Beyer of being pious and moral. She said there was something wrong in being pious and moral. Well, I am very happy to be pious and moral\u2014I am very happy to be moral; I do not know about the pious bit. Does that mean, then, that Georgina Beyer and her supporters are impious and immoral? I will leave that for members and others to decide. But that is the clear implication in her speech. If she said that those who oppose this bill are moral and pious, what does that say for those who support it? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EOf course, there is another reason for this bill. It is very convenient to rush back into the House for another reason when the Government is experiencing great embarrassment and difficulty over Ahmed Zaoui. It is a great way to divert attention. Sir Robert Muldoon knew that the best thing to do when the Government was in trouble was to bring in an abortion bill so all the attention would be removed from the particular problem of the day and everyone would pay attention to the abortion legislation, or whatever other legislation was brought in to divert attention. This bill is here to divert attention from the Government\u2019s failure in its policy, announced 2 years ago, to keep national security risks in prison, and, of course, the Minister in charge in that area is the Prime Minister, Helen Clark. It is she who is trying to protect herself. She is trying to help out her old mate Chris Carter, so that he can be the first to go down the aisle, as he said he would. All this bill will do is upset all those young people who decide to take the challenge and get married, and go through all the rigmarole of the day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223b1b5881-3b86-4894-ac77-72905f786141\u0022 data-id=\u0022d2bf0e88a7db4255aac1d6bcce6ed061\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b1b5881-3b86-4894-ac77-72905f786141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d2bf0e88a7db4255aac1d6bcce6ed061\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH TIZARD (Minister of Consumer Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E I rise as the member of Parliament for Auckland Central to support the Civil Union Bill in its Committee stage. Most members will be aware that Auckland Central is a place where gay, lesbian, and transgender New Zealanders know, mostly because of the Hero Parade and festival, which has been held for many years, that they are welcome. It is a very tolerant and inclusive electorate, and a lot of people come to Auckland Central because they are creative, energetic people who perhaps are of a different colour, are from a different race, speak different languages, or are of a different sexuality from that that calls itself the mainstream. I am very proud to represent Auckland Central and all the people in it\u2014very proud indeed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b1b5881-3b86-4894-ac77-72905f786141\u0022\u003EThe year 1986 saw the passing of the homosexual law reform legislation. That was 18 years ago. I worked in an electorate office in those days, and I remember calls very like the ones we are hearing in the Chamber today\u2014that it would be the end of society as we knew it, that homosexuals would be out recruiting, and that children would not be safe. I believe that New Zealand is a much safer place than it was in 1986, as a result of that legislation and, particularly, as a result of many people coming to realise that many of us have homosexual people in our families. They are our neighbours, our workmates, our children, and, in some cases, our parents. I do not believe that any New Zealander wants any member of this country\u2019s population to be discriminated against on the basis of something that is innate and part of him or her. With all of us, our sexuality is absolutely at the heart of who we are.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b1b5881-3b86-4894-ac77-72905f786141\u0022\u003EI listened in 1993 to the astonishing submissions that were made on the human rights amendment bill, about both people with disabilities and people who were gay, lesbian, or transgender. I must say that it makes me very, very sad to think that people are so fearful and so ignorant about ordinary, decent New Zealanders who are living the lives of citizens in our country. As a result of that human rights legislation, the Government began a project called Consistency 2000, and this legislation, although part of Labour\u2019s manifesto at several elections before now, is part of that Consistency 2000 process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b1b5881-3b86-4894-ac77-72905f786141\u0022\u003ENew Zealanders like to think that we as a nation are progressive and fair. It is of some regret to me that because of the hysteria from a very small group of New Zealanders, many countries, including Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greenland, Hungary, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, and now the United Kingdom, have beaten us in recognising the right to legal recognition of the partnership that is the basis of any family. Yes, if one is heterosexual one can marry, but of most of the people I know in my street, I would say that about half the couples are married and about half are not. A significant group of New Zealanders no longer to choose to marry, for a variety of reasons, good and bad. But the fact is that I know from talking with my neighbours that a significant group of them would be very happy to enter into a civil union, and some of them are heterosexual and some of them are homosexual.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b1b5881-3b86-4894-ac77-72905f786141\u0022\u003EWe have had a lot of arguments in this House about the need for a referendum, but it is my passionate view that human rights are absolute, and that we as members of Parliament must uphold the human rights of all New Zealanders to protect their families and to protect their relationships, and to protect society as a result of that. I remember New Zealand First\u2019s last big referendum. I think it was on superannuation. It turned into a referendum on the National - New Zealand First coalition Government, and my memory is that 94 percent of people voted against it. They voted against it because they did not like the way that Government was behaving, and they did not like the way that Government was approaching the people of New Zealand. I am very happy every 3 years to stand before my constituents as a Labour member of Parliament and somebody who has routinely voted for the human rights of every New Zealander.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022 data-id=\u0022167d499690a54e298e32a2252e0bd314\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022167d499690a54e298e32a2252e0bd314\u0022\u003EDr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH (National\u2014Rodney):\u003C/span\u003E Not many members of the current Parliament were here in 1986. As I look around the Chamber, I do not see anyone who was. I was, and I voted against the Homosexual Law Reform Bill, and I have had to live with that ever since. In my heart, at the time, I knew that to vote against it was not right; that to vote to make criminals out of people who have a sexual orientation because they were born that way was not right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EBut it is easy for list members to vote purely according to their conscience; those of us who represent constituencies are not absolved of our representation responsibilities by a conscience vote, as we call it. All that a conscience vote is is a vote where the party whips are not applied; we are free to vote independently and not according to party policy. Of course, for constituency members it is not purely a conscience vote. Our constituencies expect us to represent them in this Parliament, and that creates a huge dilemma for members wanting to be responsible to their constituents as well as to vote according to what they believe. We cannot absolve our individual responsibility to vote properly in this Chamber by simply arguing: \u201CMy constituents want me to do that, so that\u2019s what I will do.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EI have had to live with the fact that as a new member of this Parliament I gave weighting to the way that my constituents felt in 1986. I was a new member, they wanted me to vote against the Homosexual Law Reform Bill, and I did. As I say, I have had to live with myself ever since because in my heart I knew it was not the right thing to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EWhen the Civil Union Bill came before Parliament I wanted to support it. I did not want to kick the gay community in the guts twice\u2014maybe even three times when we take the 1990s legislation into account, as well\u2014because I do not believe that is right. I guess the other reason why I wanted to support the Civil Union Bill is that I believe that long-term relationships are positive for society, and that promiscuity leads to more problems in our society. I believe that legislation that would perhaps facilitate longer-term legal relationships, longer-term legal commitments, between people would have to be positive for society. But when I saw the bill that was introduced my heart sank. I knew instantly as I read it that its civil union proposal looked like marriage. As I spoke some of the words of the bill to myself, it sounded like marriage, and I knew I would have problems with my electorate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E I took the trouble of surveying my electorate\u2014not just on this issue, because I did not want to get a response just from people who felt hugely strongly about it; it was a general survey of my constituents. I have counted 4,000 responses. The Rodney electorate is totally divided. Of those 4,000 responses, the difference between the number who voted yes and the number who voted no was 50. The question I asked was not: \u201CDo you support the Civil Union Bill?\u201D; it was: \u201CWould you support legislation that facilitated same-sex couples being able to enter into long-term legal commitments with each other?\u201D. Many of those who responded that they would support that wrote on their survey forms: \u201CBut not marriage.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003ESo I have this huge difficulty as I vote on this issue. My electorate is deeply divided over it. I have taken the trouble to find out what my constituents think. They clearly do not want same-sex couples to be able to enter into marriage. Yet this bill is so like the Marriage Act. I just wish that those who are promoting this bill had thought from first principles about how we can have legislation that supports same-sex couples being able to enter into long-term legal commitments to each other. We should not judge the quality of love between people. They should be able to enter into such kinds of relationships or such kinds of commitments. But why are we faced with legislation such that when people look at it they simply see the Marriage Act in front of them with just a few words changed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EDuring the debate on Part 2 I will go into this a little more. One could argue that if this legislation were changed, there could be greater freedom for people to celebrate their union in whatever way they liked. There is no need to be as prescriptive as the process this legislation lays out. Yet, sadly, it is prescriptive, and that causes some of us huge problems. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022 data-id=\u00226669239a94f7456492c2edae71897523\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226669239a94f7456492c2edae71897523\u0022\u003EMARK PECK (Labour\u2014Invercargill):\u003C/span\u003E I am delighted to follow the member who preceded me, because I do understand the dilemma that he and other members of the Committee face. I arrived at my office last Monday to find nearly 500 emails telling me not to support this bill. Similarly, over a period of time I received a whole bunch that said I should support the bill. But one thing is extraordinarily clear to me: we are sent here to make decisions. Some of the decisions we have to make are tough, and we deserve to be judged for those decisions. I have had to make a number of them in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EThe honourable member who preceded me was here for the 1986 debate. I remind him of what one of his colleagues, Norman Jones, said during that period of time. He said that the legalisation of homosexuality would completely change society as we knew it. Well, it did not. We all knew that it would not, and we knew that Norman Jones was wrong on that. But the public of Invercargill loved him. Why did they love him? They saw that their member of Parliament was prepared to take a stand on a prejudice of theirs that they were unable to conceptualise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EI will tell members a story about my father, who is an Anglican priest. He has been an Anglican priest since 1959. He started off in the Episcopal Church in the United States and is still preaching today. He preached a sermon at St Barnabas Church\u2014I think it is\u2014in Bishopdale, and my sister turned up to that church service. My father did not know my sister was there. My father talked about the liberal philosophy of theology, which came about sometime after about the 1500s, when it was defined as being rooted in scripture, tradition, and reason. He spoke about the responsibility of the Church to exercise reason on attitudes and morality when it came to people\u2019s sexual orientation. What he did not know at that time, and what my sister had not told him at that time, was that she was gay. She has two children. She sat in that church and cried her eyes out because she knew that at least her father understood. Her father, who had been a priest for 50 years, understood what she was going through, and exercised in his sermon to her an ability to cleanse the way she felt. She has two little children. They are the loveliest little children one could hope to meet. They are learning how to play the piano, to play cricket, to go swimming, and to do all the other things that children do. I will not have members of this Committee say to me that my sister and my father are wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EThere are two streams of theology. The first comes from St Vincent and goes back to AD 434. That is the intolerant version of theology, and it is now the master theology in the United States. That is what it is. I have had a gutful of those people who run around and say that they know best\u2014that they know better than us how our families should live. That is just as bad as any other form of prejudice. The Puritanism that has overtaken the United States will cause people to suffer for a generation. It has seen George Bush be re-elected President of that country. It will see the conservatisation of the Supreme Court in the United States. It will see the abortion laws of the United States be overturned. Brian T\u0101maki and his thugs sat in the gallery the other day to point out those of us on this side of the Chamber who dared to stand up against them, who dared to say that their prejudice needs to be put to rest.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EThis is a debate that will evoke strong emotions, but it is a simple matter. I have no right as a human being to tell others how to live, and neither does anybody else in this Chamber. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b7676a96c4e4c3680736a31e49967de\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: What about smoking?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202b3a23a2b124ccd824bb6a9a667cbd0\u0022\u003EMARK PECK\u003C/span\u003E: I say to that member that taking it to a referendum will give Brian T\u0101maki exactly what he wants: an ability to demonise the homosexuals of this country and to do it in a highly publicised way. His people are like the blackshirts of Nazi Germany. Members should not misunderstand it: that is exactly the agenda. That is wrong, and it is time that this Parliament grew up and faced the decisions it has to make. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u0022ae4f456c9e4c499499d60f989097ff68\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ae4f456c9e4c499499d60f989097ff68\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (National\u2014Clutha-Southland):\u003C/span\u003E If this bill was all about human rights, then I guess it would be a lot easier to debate. But it is actually not about that; it is about a stupid theory that this Government has about relationships. A number of people have debated the similarity of the civil union idea to marriage. The silly idea that the Government has about relationships is that they are all the same. This bill is part of a legislative programme\u2014which includes the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill, which is still before the Justice and Electoral Committee\u2014that would create one set of rights and obligations for all adult relationships in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f853e1d954d4bf6b59a9e855fcd95fd\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s not true.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b026cd568abc43b5982013969533203a\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: It is true. It is evidenced through this bill in a number of ways, like the ability to swap between civil union and marriage. The Government is headed down a track where it believes that any adult relationship in New Zealand will have the same set of legal rights and obligations. I say that is stupid. It is totally impractical and it is one of the main reasons I oppose this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003ENew Zealanders will now be in a situation whereby either they join a relationship on Helen Clark\u2019s terms, or they had better make sure they have no relationship at all. People choose their level of commitment. Traditionally, this Parliament has offered people, essentially, a menu. If one marries, there is a set of rights and obligations that go with that, and they have been clearly understood. If one is not married and is in a de facto relationship, there is a somewhat different set of rights and obligations. In fact, if one is in a de facto relationship, there are different rights and obligations depending on the circumstances\u2014they are different for welfare entitlement as compared with property issues when a relationship breaks up. There are two different legislative definitions of the term \u201Cde facto\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EThat has reflected the messy reality of how people live their lives. This Parliament is now contradicting that directly. It is going through a bizarre process of saying to every adult New Zealander that this is how it is going to be. There are a number of gay couples who think they will have a choice about whether they have a civil union. Well, they will not have a choice. When this legislation is passed, they might not have a little certificate with their registration on it, but they will have all the rights and obligations of a married heterosexual couple by virtue of their living together. They will not have a choice about civil union; they will be civil unionised because the Prime Minister says that they should be. They will have the same set of rights and obligations as I do, and I have been married for 18 years and am a father of six. There will be no legal distinction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EThat is why that other bill sits in the select committee\u2014because Lianne Dalziel and Tim Barnett have finally figured out that every couple in New Zealand will be treated as if they are in a long-term, committed relationship. I am one of the more conservative people in Parliament on these issues, and I think that is stupid. It will wreck lives. It does not reflect how our society is. We do not have a monolithic view of what a relationship should be. Relationships change and they break up, and two people in a relationship can have completely different views about the extent to which they are committed to that relationship. But the Prime Minister says they are not allowed to any more. When this legislation passes there will be one set of legal rights and obligations, regardless of the individual choices that people make, or the individual commitment that people make to a relationship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EThe wrong people are worried about this bill. If I were 25 and exploring relationships, I would be very worried. The traditional freedom of the gay community is about to go. If I were a young, gay male, I would be very concerned about this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022 data-id=\u0022c0314690d17f4001a4876ca55a894e6e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c0314690d17f4001a4876ca55a894e6e\u0022\u003ELIANNE DALZIEL (Labour\u2014Christchurch East):\u003C/span\u003E I will start with a quote from a book written by Alan Brash. I went to the launch of this book, and he was a tremendous person who made an enormous contribution to churches to enable them to deal with really tough issues. The book is called Facing our Differences: The Churches and their Gay and Lesbian Members. I would like members to think about the following words as they contemplate the bill. He said: \u201CAs we look back over long periods of cruelty towards homosexual people, we may qualify our condemnations of such treatments in view of the degree of their ignorance. But those who continue to call for such harsh attitudes today, given the greater understanding we have available, are in urgent need of repentance and of the changes of attitude and behaviour which repentance involves.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EI would like to dedicate that part of the book to Brian T\u0101maki and the Destiny Church, because I think they need to think about what they are doing in terms of the misrepresentation of this legislation that they are promoting amongst their members, and their fear and loathing around a group of people who Alan Brash reminds us are people. It is important that we hold on to that as we enter into this debate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EI was talking about this whole issue of legality recently with a gay friend of mine. He had been in the early years of a 20-year relationship with his partner at the time that homosexual law reform came in. He asked me how I would feel if police could walk into my bedroom\u2014into the privacy of my home\u2014and arrest me for a sexual relationship that was monogamous, longstanding, and absolutely private. He said I could not understand for a minute the relief that law reform brought to gay men, until I imagined what that could be like. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EWhen the law passed, people said that it was the State promoting homosexuality and that people would be doing it in the streets. It did not happen. The same thing was said when the Human Rights Act was extended to include sexual orientation. I sat on that select committee. I listened to hundreds of submissions. I was quite saddened by the fact that so little had changed since the 1990s in terms of those who came to the select committee to argue exactly the same points on the Civil Union Bill. But it did not happen then, and it will not happen now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EI went to a lunch yesterday and engaged in a conversation with a couple of older men about the civil union legislation. They declared their lack of comfort with it. They were quite uncomfortable with it. We talked about it and at the end of our conversation, although they were not quite comfortable with things, they were certainly much clearer about why the legislation was necessary. As I was on my way out, another man came up to me and said that I would not be getting his vote for \u201Csiding with the queers\u201D. He said he had been in the Navy\u2014he had retired, obviously\u2014and that there had been a \u201Cqueer\u201D on board his ship, but that a quick seeing-to by two other sailors with a broom made him \u201Creal nice\u201D, and he stayed away from everyone after that. I was absolutely shocked. It takes a lot to take my breath away but that statement made to me yesterday in a hotel bar in Christchurch just blew me away. How on earth could anyone say that that is a decent way to treat a human being? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EThen we have had the emails that tell us we will have polygamy, paedophilia, and inter-family unions, and that all the people in these activities will be asking for the same rights as same-sex couples. I remind people that criminal behaviour is different from legal behaviour, and that all of those are criminal behaviours. Removing the criminality of anal intercourse, which is what homosexual law reform did back in the 1980s, did not remove the criminality of anal sexual violation or under-age anal sex. Allowing two people who cannot marry to enter into a civil union does not logically lead to opening the law up to people having more than one partner, or under-age sex, or paedophilia. In fact, it is as illogical and as offensive as taking a broom to a human being. If people do not think that that is still happening today, they should open their eyes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022295c9ca3-0f0a-4af6-b1bd-32c916cca579\u0022 data-id=\u0022fcc87409d65b4780b1a4d65607f80dac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022295c9ca3-0f0a-4af6-b1bd-32c916cca579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fcc87409d65b4780b1a4d65607f80dac\u0022\u003EGERRARD ECKHOFF (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I will address a couple of comments that were made by Ms Dalziel and Mr Peck. I totally agree with the previous member. Issues pertaining to the sexual preferences and sexuality of individuals have nothing to do with the State or anybody else. It should be in the bedroom in a private situation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022295c9ca3-0f0a-4af6-b1bd-32c916cca579\u0022\u003EI am not easily stunned. I have been around for a few years. I was stunned when, just a few hours ago, my secretary showed me\u2014how can I put this nicely\u2014the situations wanted column in a gay and lesbian magazine, which I think we all get sent. I do not subscribe to it, members will understand, but I was sent this thing. I was glancing through it and my eyes were literally out 3 inches in front of me. I could not believe what I was reading in a newspaper. So this issue is not just in the bedroom, it is out there and \u201Cin your face\u201D. Whether that is a good or a bad thing I am not sure. I do not think it would be a particularly good thing if that newspaper got into the hands of children, for example. Nevertheless, that was the reality that I saw just a few moments ago. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022295c9ca3-0f0a-4af6-b1bd-32c916cca579\u0022\u003EWith regard to Mr Peck, I was delighted to hear his speech. He was hugely passionate, and rightly so, about his family member\u2019s situation. I think it is appropriate and proper that members of this Parliament display passion instead of looking at things in a non-human way. This issue is, very literally, about passion. It is about the human condition and how we approach these sorts of issues. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022295c9ca3-0f0a-4af6-b1bd-32c916cca579\u0022\u003EI can tell members that a council candidate in Dunedin, a young fellow by the name of Grant Benson, is a cross-dresser. He is a relative of mine, on my wife\u2019s side, members will understand. Nevertheless, he is a relative of mine and one whom I would gladly cross the street to shake hands with and greet, and I would have him at my dinner table.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022295c9ca3-0f0a-4af6-b1bd-32c916cca579\u0022\u003E I believe that in the next week or two a couple of gay guys from down the road a bit from us\u2014they are restaurateurs, members will understand\u2014are coming to have dinner with me and my wife. Marg said to these people: \u201CYou mightn\u2019t want to come. I think my husband\u2019s going to vote against the bill.\u201D They said: \u201CWho cares?\u201D. That was their response. It is quite wrong, I suspect, to say that every gay couple is clamouring for this bill. Every couple who live together, perhaps an older couple, for comfort, surely to goodness, and a little bit of security, will be unionised by this bill. They do not want that. They do not want the belief amongst people in the street that because they have a civil union\u2014not by choice\u2014they are in fact having some sort of sexual relationship. That is not the way many people want their relationship to be viewed. They want a choice, and so they should. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022295c9ca3-0f0a-4af6-b1bd-32c916cca579\u0022\u003EWhat concerns me\u2014and I am speaking in this debate not as an expert or someone who has profound knowledge, but only because I think it is important that I relate at least once my view on this bill\u2014is that, as I have said in the past and will continue to say in the future, we are passing legislation of the sort that I call \u201Cthe laws of the unintended consequence\u201D. We do not know what the consequences of this bill will be in the long term. We may think we know. I think back to how cruel children can be to other children at school who are a bit different\u2014those who are a different colour, shape, size, or whatever. Children are hugely cruel. What if a child says he or she has two dads or two mums? I do not care about the 25-year-olds, the older ones who can manage themselves in the wider world. I think about the little children who will be impacted on by this bill, through design\u2014not by default but by design. Those are my concerns. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222a849ed4-a817-45a7-8b86-dbc9dd210193\u0022 data-id=\u0022b17d327c73294b169c9883d67c185249\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222a849ed4-a817-45a7-8b86-dbc9dd210193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b17d327c73294b169c9883d67c185249\u0022\u003EJILL PETTIS (Labour\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E I am pleased to take a call on this bill. There has been much debate this afternoon about how the bill will undermine the state of marriage. I have to say that, in my opinion, it is the partners in a marriage who undermine the marriage, not the Government. Lack of respect for each other undermines the marriage, and when respect flies out of the window, love usually follows. People have said to me over recent weeks, and particularly over recent days: \u201CPlease don\u2019t vote for the bill.\u201D When I question them patiently, they cannot actually say why they are opposed to the bill. Some very strange reasons come out as to why they believe I should not vote for it. Some of these reasons are quite bizarre. Just recently a gentleman said that people were homosexual because a curse had been put on their family. He did not like the Masons, either, because they did things in secret too. I thought that was a bit of a slur against the Masons, who do a very good job in society. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222a849ed4-a817-45a7-8b86-dbc9dd210193\u0022\u003EPeople say that homosexuality is an abomination. They love the word \u201Cabomination\u201D. A lot of things in life are an abomination. One thing that I find an absolute abomination is child sex tours to Thailand. These are mostly perpetrated by heterosexual men. Nobody has ever written to me about that issue, in the whole time I have been a member of Parliament, but I find it one of the most disgusting practices on earth, whereby terribly poor children are exploited in the most awful way. Those children are truly victims. In the Civil Union Bill, there are no victims. That is why this bill will assist so many people in our society, both heterosexual and homosexual. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222a849ed4-a817-45a7-8b86-dbc9dd210193\u0022\u003EIn our boring old family, we get married. My husband and I have been married for more than 30 years, and in October this year we were proud parents at the celebration of our son\u2019s wedding. As I said earlier, marriages have to be worked at. I did not ask the Government to raise my children, and it is not the Government\u2019s responsibility to mind my marriage. It is the partners in the marriage whose responsibility it is to do that. With this legislation, when it is passed\u2014and I am confident it will be, and I will vote for it\u2014people have to be mindful of the fact that their relationships are their responsibility. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222a849ed4-a817-45a7-8b86-dbc9dd210193\u0022\u003EA member from the other side of the Chamber said earlier that members of Parliament do not have the freedom to vote how they want to if they are constituency MPs\u2014that is, if they represent an electorate. I consult my electorate on a whole range of issues. We have had conscience votes recently about the drinking age and about euthanasia\u2014I did not vote to lower the drinking age, and I did not vote in favour of euthanasia\u2014but we vote on all manner of important issues every day of the week. People vote for us and they expect us to get on with it. I have not had one constituent write to tell me how to vote on the Railways Bill, the Independent Police Complaints Authority Amendment Bill, the Education Amendment Bill, or the Lawyers and Conveyancers Bill, which is on the Order Paper before Parliament at the moment. They just expect me to get on with it, and to vote wisely and in an informed way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222a849ed4-a817-45a7-8b86-dbc9dd210193\u0022\u003EI suggest that most members of Parliament are well informed about this bill. We are well equipped to vote, and most of us will vote according to our conscience and the knowledge that we have gained through reading the bill and sitting on select committees. Anybody who says this bill has been rushed is saying so because he or she has just picked up the paper in the last 2 weeks. This bill has been around for a very, very long time. I also want to say that I do not support a referendum. A referendum is, in my opinion, a cop-out. If members are not brave enough to vote on something, they should change their job.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022 data-id=\u002228ff5460f8234c228f0fb698932cbcd2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002228ff5460f8234c228f0fb698932cbcd2\u0022\u003EPAUL ADAMS (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E In speaking briefly on this bill, I just pick up on two terms that have come through a lot in correspondence to me and in what I have heard in the Chamber tonight. The first is the word \u201Clove\u201D, and the second is the phrase \u201Chuman right\u201D. Let us deal with the issue of love. It is a basic human need. Everybody needs to be loved by somebody. Sadly, I believe, of late we in this nation have done many things but we have failed to appreciate love and to teach people how to love. I assure members that love is not a sexual act. Love is a commitment of one to the other. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003EWith this, I want to work on the \u201Ckiss\u201D principle\u2014\u201Ckeep it simple, stupid\u201D\u2014which I have always worked on. Dealing with human rights, only two types of humans are born\u2014that is, male and female. I have yet to read in the paper that somebody announces the birth of a little homosexual boy or lesbian girl. I have yet to read a scientific report that the remains of a person have been found that are anything other than those of either a male or a female. In my opinion, those are the only two types there are. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003EFrom there, we go to choices of lifestyle. I know many people in the gay and lesbian community, many who have been gay or lesbian, and many who have come out of being gay or lesbian. To me, if they can choose to go into it and choose to come out of it, it has to be a choice. I believe, as has been touched on\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c8dd91900e894409bd945ce45fc007ae\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: I am sorry to interrupt the member, but the time has come for the dinner break.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253280a3448ee43f38f27cb3925033af9\u0022\u003EPAUL ADAMS\u003C/span\u003E: Much has also been said in this debate about the failure of marriage and, sadly, to a certain extent, a lot of what has been said is correct. But marriages have to be built, and I believe that a Government has the responsibility to help the nation build great marriages. We had a problem earlier this year with leaking buildings. Houses also need to be built, and we discovered that there were challenges in the way the houses were being built. The question I ask this evening is, did we loosen the regulations concerning the building of houses, or did we tighten the regulations with regard to building houses to rectify the problem? The answer is that we tightened the regulations. Much concern has been stated about this bill further eroding marriage, and it does that, because if we begin to promote a multitude of relationships, then we are not concentrating on a preferred model that is best for the nation as a whole. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003EI think that a lot of the discussion is around the right of an individual, but, as important as individuals are, we also need to see what our responsibility is for bringing the generations through as a nation. When we have young children, children like my grandchildren, I have great concerns that they will be taught that alternative lifestyles are the norm. At the beginning of this speech prior to the dinner break, I said that as far as I am concerned, there are only two types of people\u2014male and female. I believe that every child coming up in this nation deserves to have input from both sexes. I believe that it makes a powerful difference in the lives of children if they see the firm hand of discipline of a father\u2014and, sadly, that has not been built to the extent that it should have been\u2014and, likewise, they should also have the loving arms of a mother. I believe that total balance is needed as young children are brought up, to build really effective families in this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003EI agree that a marriage licence in itself will never build a strong marriage. A strong marriage is built only if there is a commitment, one to the other, and if one learns to have patience, kindness, and tolerance towards the other partner. So I am certainly convinced that this bill is nothing else but gay marriage under a disguise. I also believe that the ability to take it to a public referendum should be passed in this Parliament. I have not seen such a concern come through so strongly in New Zealand for a long time, and I believe that in many ways the nation is divided over this issue. I do not like that, because I do not want to divide a nation; I want a united nation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u0022851b301c66c54fa097f498d5dfaaa0a2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022851b301c66c54fa097f498d5dfaaa0a2\u0022\u003EDAVID PARKER (Labour\u2014Otago):\u003C/span\u003E I would just like to respond to the point that the last member, Mr Adams, raised about legislating for morality, but before doing that I will encapsulate again my view of this legislation. Conferring rights on a minority never undermines the majority. Creating civil union will not undermine marriage. Overseas experience proves that that is true.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EI shall deal with Mr Adams\u2019 point. If Parliament could cure the ills of society by improving its morality through the passage of laws, we would have a rash of legislation in the next month and New Zealand\u2019s ills would be cured by the following month. The reality is that that is not how society operates. Parliament does not create society\u2019s morality. Most of us think that adultery is damaging to relationships. We do not legislate against adultery or other sexual immorality, except where we think it will damage young people. Where there is no damage, we do not legislate. That is why we have laws against assault, but we do not have laws against adultery or premarital sex. That has been the case in Western democracies for centuries, and long may it continue to be so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EI would also like to comment briefly on the call for a referendum. The Timaru Herald said this about it, with regard to Richard Worth\u2019s proposed amendments: \u201CHe is clutching at straws, just as his leader Don Brash and others were doing last week in trying to have the matter decided by public referendum. Dr Brash was trying to win cheap political points. He actually supports the bill. But a referendum is a bad idea. Would it be binding? If so, the bill would likely be defeated.\u201D\u2014I disagree with that, but in any event\u2014\u201CAnd that would go against Dr Brash\u2019s stance. So to win votes, he\u2019s prepared to compromise what he believes. That\u2019s pretty shallow. Non-binding?\u201D\u2014by that, it means a non-binding referendum\u2014\u201CWhat would be the point? We would be back at square one. We elect politicians to make decisions.\u201D To quote the Timaru Herald further: \u201CWhy should they abdicate on the hard ones? Why not a referendum on the foreshore and seabed issue, smoking, prostitution? And if we did all that, why have politicians at all? The danger in such a course is you have majority rule, and that does not necessarily produce the best law. The Civil Union Bill is essentially about human rights, more so even than the morality aspect, but no matter how good the education campaign, the emotive aspects in any public vote would win the day. And again, that\u2019s why we have politicians; to sift through the arguments on both sides and make the best decision, regardless of whether it is popular or not.\u201D That is right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EI would just like to say something about the Catholic Church view. Turning this into single-issue politics is, in my view, wrong. I have to ask where the Catholic Church in the United States was when the United States went to war against Iraq, killing women and children, innocents, in an illegal war. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227cce674d249149b4ada3e61fdb05bc33\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s that got to do with it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291593117069f4b33b2feb010fe8bdf54\u0022\u003EDAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: It shows a double standard, I say to Dr Smith. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e044ad01e5764769ae7be992856861b5\u0022\u003EStephen Franks\u003C/span\u003E: You hide behind the American shield.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022821e6da0f39e41adade72ef358a74bbf\u0022\u003EDAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Franks believes that its actions were justified; I do not. I am proud of our Government, which did not just follow that particular course. Where is the Catholic Church when there are other issues of international injustice? Do its bishops say: \u201CVote against that particular candidate, on this basis.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb6465472ffe4f279df730fecd4eaae5\u0022\u003EStephen Franks\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, they do\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8dd32c8619d4cffa00a0e45dea59a11\u0022\u003EDAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: They do not take the steps that they have taken this week. I find their attitude irreconcilable with their more moderate stance in 2000, when all the Catholic bishops in New Zealand, in a submission on a National Party consultation document about proposed civil unions or the right of gay people to have some civil recognition of their relationships, said that they were not opposed to it. They were concerned as to the way in which it was done. They said we should not confuse it with marriage. They did not like the idea of vows. But the idea of civil recognition of gay relationships was something that, as their submission on 24 March 2000 shows, they agreed with. At the time, the National Catholic Reporter said: \u201CNew Zealand\u2019s Catholic bishops support legal registration of same-sex unions, though not as a steppingstone to legal marriage.\u201D That is what they said they supported, and this bill effectively does just that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u00221b5fffd163374de59b4cc7bfe77a2539\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221b5fffd163374de59b4cc7bfe77a2539\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E Let me remind the Committee that we are under urgency, and I want to know, because no Government member has yet said, why the Civil Union Bill is being rammed through the House under urgency. Sometimes a tax bill has to go through by a particular date, and sometimes the expiry of some other legislation requires Parliament to take urgency. But the only reason Parliament is in urgency this evening on this bill is that Labour members know that it is unpopular. They know that this is not what the people of New Zealand want, but they want to clear the decks before election year. It is as simple as that. I say to Mr Parker, the member for Otago, that if he genuinely believes\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022295c9ca3-0f0a-4af6-b1bd-32c916cca579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002280abc45168f74c3b9af732c7c45af085\u0022\u003EGerrard Eckhoff\u003C/span\u003E: Current member\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002279a950f70e3e4cffa64c9f35cd31f1a5\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: His days are numbered. His speech sounded like a suicide note. If the member for Otago really believes that he can carry the argument with the people of Otago, why does the Government not just let this bill take its normal process through the House? Why are we in urgency? Can any Labour member tell me why? I have seen lots of controversial bills in my day, but this is the first time that I have seen Parliament in urgency on a conscience motion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E I note that Labour members, almost like parrots, have been keen to dump on Don Brash, who made a very thoughtful contribution to this debate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022065007c20d8e4f309d0c87f9921bf99b\u0022\u003EHon David Benson-Pope\u003C/span\u003E: Ha!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223163abecfe0c48b48ae42882b9aec175\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: I ask that Mr Benson-Pope compare it with this: why have we not heard from the Prime Minister?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286fbc449d75a4f0a990c60be6e8cf648\u0022\u003EHon David Benson-Pope\u003C/span\u003E: \u201CFlip-flop Brash\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e47a83d288da49fda4fecce61bf261aa\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Well, let us hear about Helen Clark. Her record on this issue is that she said the only reason she married was because she was entering politics. What sort of cynical human being would go into something as important as marriage simply because she was entering politics? I will say something more about the Prime Minister. Helen Clark said then that she would prefer a civil union. It is interesting that now she is Prime Minister she is imposing her view on Parliament. [Interruption] Is it not sensitive? It is all very well for Labour members to get stuck into Don Brash in speech after speech, but the moment we bring the Prime Minister into the debate they all get sensitive. Jill Pettis starts sounding like a cat. We see them all get jumpy. But let us get the record straight. Helen Clark\u2019s book says it all. She says\u2014[Interruption] What is Jill Pettis threatening me with?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222a849ed4-a817-45a7-8b86-dbc9dd210193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4b1acc462264ca6849d2dba1d96c263\u0022\u003EJill Pettis\u003C/span\u003E: Be very careful. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022235261d0e03c4217b8300a6d445bc9e8\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: What is the member threatening me with?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222a849ed4-a817-45a7-8b86-dbc9dd210193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225634f825a909451d88019aa712685311\u0022\u003EJill Pettis\u003C/span\u003E: I am not talking to you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f83daabeba94a1b986f37448afd5cd8\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, I see. Well, let us be very clear. Helen Clark said back in the 1980s that she did not want to get married, that she wanted to have a civil union, and now she is imposing her view on the people of New Zealand. The Prime Minister, Helen Clark, has not participated once in this debate, yet every one of us knows that she is pulling the strings from behind the scenes. We all know that on the opposite side of the House there is a list to be ranked in the next few weeks. I have no doubt that the Prime Minister has been on the phone saying what might happen to members\u2019 list ranking if they do not vote for her little pet project of imposing civil unions on the people of New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EI say again to the Minister in the chair, the Hon David Benson-Pope, that he should be upfront with New Zealanders and tell us that he is imposing gay marriage, because that is what he is doing. I have not heard from any Government member a single legal difference between civil union and marriage. I have heard things like: \u201COh well, culturally they might be different.\u201D Well, hang on for a second, we are lawmakers. What is important here is what we are putting into law. In every single statute, Labour is stating that civil unions, marriage, and de facto relationships are identical in law. To pretend somehow that that does not undermine marriage is simply dishonest.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022 data-id=\u0022ab56b62c83eb46719d6de1026a9ff4c2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ab56b62c83eb46719d6de1026a9ff4c2\u0022\u003EMARK PECK (Labour\u2014Invercargill):\u003C/span\u003E I want to make just one more contribution to this debate. I will spend a little bit of time on Dr Don Brash and make a few comments about his position, but I want to put a couple of things on the table first up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EMost important, in this sort of debate those in glass houses should not throw stones. Can I say to people that we should not get sanctimonious in this debate. I could stand up here and tell the Committee line, chapter, and verse about my life\u2014the good, the bad, and the ugly. In the little while that I have been dealing with some of the bad and the ugly, one of the things that I have realised is that there is nothing that any member of this House has the right to judge any other human being by. I ask any member who has never transgressed against the moral codes to put up his or her hand; then I will not use the word we cannot use. It is clear to me that as human beings we all have our failings, and we should all recognise that for what it is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EI want to say about Don Brash\u2019s position that it is morally bankrupt. I know that he actually knows that. I think Don Brash\u2019s father would be turning in his grave over this particular matter. The Leader of the Opposition was brought up well in the traditions of a caring and Christian family. He knows only too well that allowing a referendum to go ahead will mean exactly what I said in my first speech, and that is that we will have a hate campaign wheeled out against the gay community of this country\u2014nothing more and nothing less. This is from a man who would lead this country. That is a failure of leadership. That is allowing division to be heaped upon people of this nation, due to something that is not of their making. I have never heard that member in the past say we should put things to conscience votes. I have seen him in this Parliament, on all sorts of legislation, exercising his conscience vote.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EI had a person come to me on Friday to talk to me about my decision as to whether I would vote in favour of this bill. She is totally opposed to this bill and she told me all the reasons why she is opposed to it. She has good, strong, legitimate reasons. She believes that the Bible is the absolute truth. She believes that the story of Adam and Eve is the absolute truth. She believes all of that, and I will never convince her that my position on the bill is right, and nor am I going to try. I said to her at the end of my meeting with her that I wanted her to change seats with me. She asked what I meant. I said that she was to imagine that she was the member of Parliament for Invercargill, and I asked her to tell me what she would do if I were to organise 150 people to send her emails telling her to vote in favour of the Civil Union Bill. Would she do it? She said no way, not on her nelly\u2014that it was totally opposed to everything she believed in. I know that for Dr Brash to oppose this bill is to totally oppose everything he believes in and everything he was taught. He still has time to salvage that for himself. He has to look at himself in the mirror in the same way that I do and the same way that every other member in this Parliament has to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EI want to say a couple of things. I referred to a letter that my father wrote to his congregation. I got it wrong. I said that it was St Barnabas Church, but it was St Michael\u2019s. At the end of my speech I will seek leave to table it. I think that it is instructive and that members will get some very interesting stuff out of it. He made a comment about Anglicanism and the three planks of scripture, tradition, and reason. But as I have been going through my life and taking stock of the good, the bad, and the ugly, I have started to think again about some of my core beliefs, some of which are very deeply rooted in Christianity. This is the Christianity I believe in: it is one concerned with love not punishment, one concerned with service not selfishness, one concerned with inclusiveness not exclusiveness, and one concerned with wholeness not division. That is the religion I ascribe to. They are the things that my father taught me and taught the rest of my\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022683f1444d64e4429b69a1b73b2118932\u0022\u003EStephen Franks\u003C/span\u003E: What a lot of wussy new-age arguments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202915af2152b4a3586cc44a9696d2318\u0022\u003EMARK PECK\u003C/span\u003E: I say to that member up there, who used to be a Labour Party member, that he was wrong then and he is wrong now. One day he should start to learn the lessons. He can preach all the right-wing ideology that he wants, but I will tell him one thing quite clearly. There is a very good saying\u2014I cannot remember the theologian who said it\u2014and it goes this way: \u201CThe Christian right is neither.\u201D It is time we had some tolerance in this debate, and I am sick of the division.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EI seek leave to table a letter written by my father concerning the issues within this debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220d9640b0-d861-43d8-b321-e7ba56dbe362\u0022 data-id=\u00225314c72eaae94b96bc2e2dbde197fe17\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220d9640b0-d861-43d8-b321-e7ba56dbe362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225314c72eaae94b96bc2e2dbde197fe17\u0022\u003EJUDY TURNER (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to speak in the Committee stage of the Civil Union Bill. I find this opportunity quite a sobering one, because like most people in this Parliament I have very close friends on both sides of this argument. I know that when we make a decision as to how we will vote on something like this, we do it at the risk of being misunderstood and at the risk\u2014worse still than that of being misunderstood\u2014of hurting people whom we would rather not hurt.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220d9640b0-d861-43d8-b321-e7ba56dbe362\u0022\u003EI will not be supporting this bill, and the reason is that I have a very clear understanding in my mind of what marriage is about. My understanding is not religious, because it pre-dates any Christian response to the institution of marriage. I guess, in the crudest way of putting it, marriage is about breeding. It is actually about society\u2019s way of making sure that the children who are born are born in a safe and nurturing environment. Even people who are unable to have children, or choose not to have children, are constrained, by current marriage law, by those issues of breeding.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220d9640b0-d861-43d8-b321-e7ba56dbe362\u0022\u003EThe legal constraints are these. Firstly, marriage is heterosexual. Secondly, it is between two people. Thirdly, it cannot be incestuous. As soon as we start to play around with that and claim, based on human rights, that one of those three legs of the stool is no longer essential\u2014that is, the requirement that it be heterosexual\u2014we start to pull apart the fabric of that institution. In my reading of the Civil Union Bill I found it distinctly dishonest in that it is promoting\u2014although we call it by a different name\u2014gay marriage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220d9640b0-d861-43d8-b321-e7ba56dbe362\u0022\u003EI think that what has gone wrong here is that we have become confused in our thinking about what human rights are. I have heard the term \u201Chuman rights\u201D bandied about a lot in this debate. We have started to design human rights and hand them out like Christmas presents. But my understanding of human rights is that they apply very much to the individual, and here we are applying human rights to a relational context. I, for instance, do not believe that marriage is a human right. I believe that human rights are about those things that add to one\u2019s survival and to what it means to be human\u2014anything that contributes to one\u2019s humanness. As soon as we start adding to that definition, we get ourselves into all sorts of trouble. I guess the best way, if we are going to see it as a right at all, is to talk about it as being a civil right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220d9640b0-d861-43d8-b321-e7ba56dbe362\u0022\u003EI plan to support the amendment from Richard Worth, because I certainly would have no problem with the legal possibility of registering a relationship for the sake of that relationship. I think this issue does not have to be, for instance, a bedroom issue. I think there are lots of relationships that would benefit from establishing clearly the next-of-kin status that the relationship deserves, providing for protection of jointly owned properties, and reflecting the investment over a period of years that has been given to the relationship by providing some legal framework and legal protection around that. I think that is a good idea, and it disappoints me in many ways that that was not the path we chose to tread with this particular bill. So I will be supporting that amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220d9640b0-d861-43d8-b321-e7ba56dbe362\u0022\u003EI think this bill does undermine marriage as we know it, because we are now applying to non-breeding units provisions that were originally designed for breeding units. That is exactly what we are doing. I know that that is putting it in extremely crude terms, but that is exactly what we are doing. Not only that but we are making an institution out of this new arrangement. We have always understood that social parenting arrangements would kick in whenever biological parenting arrangements fell over in some way, and we have had some fine examples of that, but we have never sought to make an institution out of it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022 data-id=\u00227125a7b8fea34b919c8ce9e397855ea4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227125a7b8fea34b919c8ce9e397855ea4\u0022\u003ESTEPHEN FRANKS (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E At this stage, in nominally, at least, debating Part 1 of the bill, I am trying to review the arguments that I have heard on the other side. One of the arguments I want to go back to is the international precedents, and in particular that in France, which has been mentioned. But before I do, I want to think a little bit about what the Labour Party Government said when this bill came before the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EIn its opening propaganda, before anyone was allowed to see the bill, we had the sentence: \u201CEstablishing civil unions in legislation means that Parliament, rather than the judiciary, determines the basis of relationship law for New Zealand, by maintaining the initiative \u2026 rather than letting the Courts take control.\u201D Well, this afternoon in the House the Prime Minister repeated what I think was a rueful observation that we might have to start making our law clear, that we might have to start putting into the law exactly what we mean, because of what the Supreme Court has been doing in seizing opportunities to make the law itself. We had that from the Prime Minister as she was advising us that she was not going to do anything on a matter of national security\u2014Mr Zaoui\u2019s case. But we have not heard from the Prime Minister at all in this debate as to why she has allowed a bill to go before this House that has an utterly hollow core\u2014a bill that sets up a registration relationship. Ostensibly, to use the Government\u2019s own terms, a new legal relationship will be established recognising the diversity of relationships, and enabling loving and committed couples to formalise their relationship without getting married. Well, this bill does absolutely nothing to define any kind of loving and committed relationship. This bill says nothing about long-term commitment. This bill says nothing about stability. This bill does not prescribe a single thing about this so vital contract.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EWe have been told that we have to catch up with the rest of the world; and that perhaps we should follow the example of France, which successfully introduced the Pacte Civil de Solidarit\u00E9 in 1999. Well, I decided, as I usually do, to go and find a little bit behind the rhetoric. Well, the Pacte Civil de Solidarit\u00E9 does require a contract. It is actually much like Richard Worth\u2019s proposal. It requires the individuals to sign a contract that covers things such as their intentions on inheritance and their intention that the relationship be long term. It has to be a voluntary contract. The couples set out what they will do about superannuation and benefit entitlements, and inheritance\u2014it is a proper contract\u2014then register it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EBut that is not what this Government wants; this Government wants to leave it to the courts, and I will tell members why it wants to leave it to the courts. This has absolutely nothing to do with defining the relationship between loving and committed couples. This is a vehicle with which to beat people who refuse to respect same-sex relationships. Well, let me say that I do not respect marriage. I respect some married people. There are people who have honoured their commitments, and there are people who have broken them, reconvened, and got through. There are people who genuinely mean to stay together forever, and there are people who do not. We can go through an infinite variety of relationships, and we respect those who, despite all the vicissitudes of life, end up making a reasonable bash of living together and rearing their children. So I respect some marriages. I do not respect the institution of marriage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EThe plea of all those couples who came before the select committee and said: \u201CI want the State to bless my union so that you\u2019ll respect me.\u201D is absolutely vain. I respect my neighbours\u2014a wonderful gay couple who have been together for many years. They are absolute pillars of the community. I respect them because of who they are, what they are, what they offer to each other, and the way they live as neighbours. I do not respect their relationship, and no one, and no law, should demand that I do. I respect them, and I respect what they achieve. The most that the law should do is provide a framework that makes it easier for them to commit, and makes it\u2014and this is the nub\u2014easier for the breach.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022 data-id=\u0022f69c25da0d744b44ba287b8d3efc020f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f69c25da0d744b44ba287b8d3efc020f\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Minister of State):\u003C/span\u003E In rising to take a call on the Civil Union Bill I want to acknowledge the high level of public interest in this debate, and the fact that good and reasonable people find themselves bound by their consciences to opposing sides of the argument. Tonight, however, I want to acknowledge that something else is going on. Some are using this issue as a political football to divide this nation in what we call wedge politics. It has been observed that George W Bush won the US election on a campaign organised\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225cdd3f3726094e91b0b8cdfaff5ae6ab\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: As members know, there was general agreement that interjections would be minimal. That was over the top. I ask members to respect that this is a conscience vote, and to respect the agreement that we had previously.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d4890938bfdd466ab929db2452320cb5\u0022\u003EStephen Franks\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. The Chair asked that there not be interjections. I do not believe that it was an agreement of the Committee. I did not understand it. When a member accuses people, who have sincerely argued on what they think are principled grounds, of indulging in wedge politics, he should expect some response from members.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9b1f9ec3f4c41b6b280caa058f24383\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: That is not a point of order. The point is that interjections should be rare and reasonable and I will enforce that if necessary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002212c83e8711e142d1bf6b281423f6d8cf\u0022\u003ESimon Power\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. Nobody will dispute your ruling, but I would ask that you apply the same standards to the Minister sitting in the chair beside you, Mr David Benson-Pope. Since the Committee resumed at 7.30, on at least three occasions the member has interjected on members speaking. I would ask that you apply the same standards to him as you apply to everybody in the Chamber.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa7cad3a195a44ffb68827d664674adb\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: There had been a comment from the Minister, as the member said, but certainly not in excess of what we heard just then.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b95f2403e18d4398a8ded3cdcd11d0f3\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE\u003C/span\u003E: In response to Mr Franks who has just resumed his seat, I appreciate the fact that he does respect his neighbours who are a gay couple. What I cannot quite understand is the logic he uses to get from there, to opposing the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003ELet us analyse briefly, without regard to any particular member, what wedge politics consists of. It is defined as hostility towards a minority group\u2014in this case, gays\u2014being used to win favour with a minority; the conservative middle classes. In the US case, of course, it was helped by a small foreign war and the claim that God was on Mr Bush\u2019s side. If I were God I would be a bit miffed at that suggestion. Back home we had a wee dose of it, after \u014Crewa\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e2010e772b644e78bd5b614f3df44dc\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d48b22ccfbb48f88ce5019133ba8f9c\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: Before I call the member I tell members that there will be silence during points of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4931f0b648243a788633db3306fab49\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: By general agreement there has been a pretty wide-ranging debate, wider than the usual Committee stage proceedings. However, I do not think that the tacit agreement of the Committee extends to lectures on political campaign theory. It does seem to me that the Committee would expect any member, whatever his or her point of view, at least to debate the bill, rather than range as widely as the Hon David Cunliffe is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022868d2c20925648f2910dd7bd8591d482\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: I take the member\u2019s point. The debate has been wide ranging. However, I ask the member to come back to the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c66df6425be46f59f86c5730881f468\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE\u003C/span\u003E: This week it is the Civil Union Bill that is attracting the same debate. Sadly, recognising that the tactics of wedge politics is not in itself enough to prevent it from appealing to our baser instincts. The power of the attack is that it ostensibly uses high principle as its shield. Principle must be countered by principle. Supporters of a proud and inclusive New Zealand must clearly articulate their own ethical base. To quote Bobby Kennedy: \u201CWe must recognise the full human equality of all people, before God, before the law, and in the councils of Government.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EThis principle is rooted deeply in the Christian tradition. Christ healed the sick, accepted lepers, pardoned sinners, hung out with prostitutes, and set tough standards. Tolerance does not mean nihilism. In a sermon on the Mount\u2014Mount Galilee, not Mount Maunganui\u2014he based his standards on love and care for all, meeting them where they were at, and helping each to live a better life. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EDivine recognition of human free will and its consequences is as old as the Garden of Eden. People make choices about their lives. They have the right to make choices that others might disagree with. But Christ himself said: \u201CRender unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar; render unto God that which belongs to God\u201D. In Christ\u2019s teaching there is recognition that the role of the church, therefore, is separate from the role of the State. While I fully appreciate the sincerity of the views of many of our Christian brothers and sisters, what I cannot accept is the use of the institution of the State to impose that sincerely held view on all others. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EThe essence of a liberal, secular State is that it makes it all right for old white men, like the fellows on the Opposition side, slowly rusting their way to oblivion, to be heard equally with the full diversity of New Zealand. What we cannot tolerate is the idea that any one group\u2019s interpretation confers a God-given right to rectitude. I say it as a follower of the Christian ideals myself. I say it out of good conscience. I do not say it out of anything that is politically trendy, because, frankly, the balance of input to my electorate office has been against this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EI stand for this bill because in my conscience I believe it is the right thing to do, as I support the right of members opposite to hold the view that the bill is wrong. Equally, I support the right of all New Zealanders to live their lives as they see fit with the full rights and protection of the law, up to the point that they are harming others. That is the appropriate distinction between church and State, and that is why this bill must pass into law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a11ce4e-9fb3-4738-b0be-5a9f81d975da\u0022 data-id=\u0022c2a06791d99743feaee4f09041de414e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a11ce4e-9fb3-4738-b0be-5a9f81d975da\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c2a06791d99743feaee4f09041de414e\u0022\u003EHon MAURICE WILLIAMSON (National\u2014Pakuranga):\u003C/span\u003E I am delighted to take a call in this debate, because out of most of the members in this House I am probably the only one who has normally always been on the very liberal side of any of the moral issues. However, on this one there will be those who think that I am on the wrong side, and I feel it is worth having a little bit of a canvass of why I am where I am.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a11ce4e-9fb3-4738-b0be-5a9f81d975da\u0022\u003EMy view is that the State has very few roles in the lives of individuals, and that people should be able to make their own decisions about what they wish for in a relationship. If they are very strongly Christian, they will have their Christian faith\u2014and I was brought up as a very strict Catholic to believe this\u2014and they should believe that their faith, whatever it is, teaches how they will recognise their relationships.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a11ce4e-9fb3-4738-b0be-5a9f81d975da\u0022\u003EBut I also understand that a huge number of people in this country are of other faiths, a huge number do not have any faith, and a huge number are either atheist, agnostic, or whatever. My view is simply that it is better to leave individuals to make their own choices about how they negotiate a relationship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a11ce4e-9fb3-4738-b0be-5a9f81d975da\u0022\u003EI come from a background of having lived in a de facto relationship with the same lady for many, many years. We were then married\u2014I have to say in a very ordinary service at a registry office one day\u2014and we went back to work for the afternoon, working for Air New Zealand. But marriage made no difference to that relationship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a11ce4e-9fb3-4738-b0be-5a9f81d975da\u0022\u003ETherefore, I say to people that if they are interested in making a commitment, they can actually do that through a whole lot of the institutions that exist now. They can negotiate property settlement\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258b10852e68842f1a220e8d4cad03c3d\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: Unless you are gay.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a11ce4e-9fb3-4738-b0be-5a9f81d975da\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb43ee2c883f4ad2ba1fb301ffd7aa49\u0022\u003EHon MAURICE WILLIAMSON\u003C/span\u003E: No, it has nothing to do with one\u2019s sexuality. If one wants to, one can go to a lawyer to get a property agreement. [Interruption] Yes, one can. I can tell members that with the family trust my family is involved in now, not one of the questions we filled out when we did it all had anything to do with my sexuality. The questions asked what I wanted to do with my property, how I wanted to share it, who I wanted to recognise and to whom I would give power of attorney in case of my death, who I wanted to recognise my body, and so on\u2014and those questions could be for anybody.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a11ce4e-9fb3-4738-b0be-5a9f81d975da\u0022\u003EI fear that somehow this legislation is a way of coming back and saying that we want to give politicians in Parliament some enormous power over how people live their everyday lives. I want to make it clear that I fully respect a very strongly held Christian set of values whereby people believe intensely in God and in what they believe, and whereby they want to marry in a church and have the church recognise their relationship. But I also respect those who say that they do not believe in that, that they do not regard that, and that they want to do their own thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a11ce4e-9fb3-4738-b0be-5a9f81d975da\u0022\u003EBut none of that requires this bill. Because a person loves someone and wants to stay with that someone for the rest of his or her life, and because that person wants to share his or her property with that someone, none of that requires Parliament. It simply does not. One of the most bizarre situations I have ever dealt with in my life is that most of the married couples my wife and I have known over the years have fought like Kilkenny cats. They have ended up separating, hating each other\u2019s guts, taking law suits out against each other, and fighting like stink over the property. If that is how marriage is supposed to be a great institution it has me worried\u2014because it is not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a11ce4e-9fb3-4738-b0be-5a9f81d975da\u0022\u003E Of course, it comes down to personalities, and it comes down to individuals. I would like to leave it to people to make their own choices. I feel grossly uncomfortable, actually, on either side of this debate. I do not like Parliament debating this, at all. I would rather say to people that if they want to go along to their church and speak to their priest, their rabbi, their mullah, or whoever, and say that they have decided they want to do this, and in the eyes of Allah, God, or Baha\u2019u\u2019llah if they are Baha\u2019i, that they want some recognition for what they do, then I say good on them. I will support them. I do not believe what they believe, but I say good on them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a11ce4e-9fb3-4738-b0be-5a9f81d975da\u0022\u003EBut what really worries me is that there is a distinct impression in this Parliament that every individual is trying to enforce his or her view: \u201CI believe in this, so now the rest of you should follow.\u201D One of the worries about this legislation is that there is a group of people out there who are somehow supposed to be homophobic. Let me declare right now, absolutely upfront, that I do not have a homophobic bone in my body. I fully support the right of gay couples to have a full and loving relationship. I cannot understand why that is the subject of the debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022 data-id=\u00227775f6b5bca5485fbc5b4c63aa74cbfb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227775f6b5bca5485fbc5b4c63aa74cbfb\u0022\u003ETIM BARNETT (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much indeed for choosing me to speak, Madam Chairperson; I almost regret your doing that, as I was looking forward to hearing from Bill English. I was pleased to read only 2 years ago, when he was interviewed as the then National Party leader at the last election, that he was in support of the concept of civil unions. I do not quite know what has happened in the last 2 years. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EA number of people have asked about the difference between marriage and civil union. I am not someone who has ever expressed an intention to civil unionise, although I am one of the members of the House who might choose that option when the legislation goes through. But I was just thinking through how different this would be. First of all, of course, just to respond to Maurice Williamson, who wants the law to leave people to make their own choices, I have never had the choice of marriage open to me, unless I were to choose to marry a woman, which would probably not be the most successful of relationships. Therefore, there is an option that has been denied to me. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003ECivil union opens up an option. Having done that, and the State has forced me to live in sin for the 3\u00BD years of my relationship, I can go through a process leading up to civil union, which in a legal sense is quite similar to a marriage, except that I do not have to find a marriage celebrant; I have to find a civil union celebrant. The fee for a civil union will be about twice as much as the fee for a marriage, therefore I will have to pay a bit more for the privilege. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EThen I think about the culture. For someone going into a marriage there are traditions about the bride\u2019s parents funding the food at the marriage, and the bridegroom\u2019s parents funding the alcohol, and the location of the wedding tends to be where the bride\u2019s family live, so there is a whole new culture that would develop around a same-sex couple going through a civil union. The culture and the traditions are different. This is a new institution, a 21st century institution, and a whole new approach. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EThe ceremony also means something very different. Think of the couples who have been together for much longer than myself and my partner, for 20 or 30 years in a same-sex relationship, who have been denied the ability to marry and denied the ability to go through a single legal recognition process. There is a whole history there that will be reflected in that ceremony. Nowadays, most people going into marriage have lived together for a time, but probably not for 10, 20, or 30 years. That is quite a different ceremony, quite a different culture, and quite a different tradition. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EThat is what a civil union is all about. It is an institution that is open to heterosexual and same-sex couples. This institution has the language of a civil relationship and of a union, rather than the language of marriage attached to it. I would be very clear, were I to go through a civil union, that I would not be entering a gay marriage. I would be entering into a civil union\u2014a legal recognition process that was for me, and also for my heterosexual friends, a united process absolutely separate from marriage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EWhat is extraordinary about this debate is that suddenly members of this Parliament are coming out as opposed in principle to marriage, and Stephen Franks and Maurice Williamson in the last few minutes have indicated that they do not think we should have marriage at all. Then we heard Judith Collins and Tariana Turia say that unless we have full, same-sex marriage, they would not support it. So we have an extraordinary action, of people dancing on the head of a pin in order to avoid dealing with the obvious issue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003ESome people argue, as Maurice Williamson just did, that we can deal with it all by a whole series of legal documents. A couple can draw up an enduring power of attorney, a property relationships agreement in a will, and suddenly out of that, a couple has celebrated a relationship. Clearly, those are not actions of celebration; they are purely actions of protection. But also, as all members know, having received a letter not too long ago from a gay couple living in Wellington, even if a couple goes through all that, they do not have the same level of legal protection as they do on entering into marriage or a civil union. So the civil union concept is a very simple, straightforward, and cost-effective way for a couple to protect their relationship. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EAt the end of the day, this is all about whether someone like myself and my partner, whom I am in love with, should be treated in broadly the same way in law as Dail Jones and his wife should be treated. People in the lesbian and gay communities are not asking for marriage, they are asking for just some of those elements, and I think that is very well delivered in the civil union legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u002269b52cad4f3d4520a22f14ea68cbfb7d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002269b52cad4f3d4520a22f14ea68cbfb7d\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (National\u2014Clutha-Southland):\u003C/span\u003E I say to the last speaker that whatever gay couples are asking for, what they are getting is the Civil Union Bill and the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill. I do not think that what they are getting in those bills is what many of them think they are getting. As I said to the Committee earlier, what they are getting is the rights and obligations of married people. Because of the definitions of \u201Cde facto\u201D, all relationships will have one legal framework if the second bill is passed. And that is a big question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EThis is a question for the Minister in the chair, Mr David Benson-Pope, who is playing solitaire on his computer. I want him to tell me that if the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill does not pass, what is a civil union? I think the ACT member, Stephen Franks, rightly drew attention to this. This bill does not tell us what a civil union is. What it tells us is how to get into a civil union\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220640042ca0f04df893eb8d6249317b7f\u0022\u003EDail Jones\u003C/span\u003E: How to be unionised.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224de73b898e144fc297a72c7f483ba20c\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: How to be civil unionised. But the Civil Union Bill does not tell us the rights and obligations that flow from it. It was meant to have a partner piece of legislation, the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill, that amends a hundred other statutes. We do not have that legislation. Apparently it will turn up in March. I do not think it will turn up by the end of next year. The issues in that bill are so complex that the select committee will be unable to resolve them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003ESo I feel like I have been invited by a real estate agent to buy a house, only to be told: \u201CWell, I\u2019ve got the front door, but the rest of it has been taken away.\u201D Because I have no idea now what this actually means. I know what the Government intends it to mean. As I said before, it intends one set of rights and obligations for every adult relationship in New Zealand, regardless of the level of commitment chosen. That is what the Government intends. I am absolutely opposed to that intention, and I hope the Committee will be, too, eventually. When it debates the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill, it will be able to express its opposition. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EBut as for voting for the Civil Union Bill, I ask the Minister what it is that we are voting for. What rights and obligations does any individual take on when he or she becomes a partner in a civil union, under this legislation? How can this Parliament vote on this bill if it does not know the answer to that question? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EI saw the item on TV3 tonight, I have read through some of the material, and I have done some of my own research into the international comparisons. This one is pretty much unique, because it does not say. In France, they do. In Sweden, it is marriage. In other countries there are different sets of rights and obligations. For instance, in some countries, couples can adopt children and in some they cannot. But we have no idea. We are being sold the front door, without the house. The reason is that they have found that the structure of the house is fundamentally flawed. So in the debate tonight we are getting these emotional outpourings about homophobia. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EI want the Minister to answer some legal questions, which any legislator has the right to ask on behalf of his or her constituents. I say to the Minister that I have constituents who want to join in civil union but I cannot tell them what it means, by reading this bill. The Minister has failed to deliver the rest of the package. It is politically convenient, because the rest of the package is much worse than this. This bill is the more acceptable piece, in my view, than the rest of it, but he cannot tell us. So why are we going to be voting on this in the next couple of days, when we do not know what it is? The reason is simply, political symbolism. This bill is a political push, not an attempt to create a set of rights and obligations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EMy colleague Richard Worth, on his own, has done a much better job of that than the Government. If people want to have civil union, then his proposition is clear, it is tidy, it is well defined, the parameters are known, one can either vote for it or against it. It does not pretend to be anything other than what it is, whereas this bill pretended to be marriage and then lost the \u201Cmarriage\u201D bit, so it remains undefined. I ask the Minister to answer those questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u00228481b03f1d2b4384bc4b5b894c0098d9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228481b03f1d2b4384bc4b5b894c0098d9\u0022\u003ENANAIA MAHUTA (Labour\u2014Tainui):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a031c9de-7856-491c-8f6f-bc67f285b4f7\u0022 data-id=\u00228c148c96466c4053ac4a4caf1cc82266\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a031c9de-7856-491c-8f6f-bc67f285b4f7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228c148c96466c4053ac4a4caf1cc82266\u0022\u003EBERNIE OGILVY (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to speak against this bill, and I will tell members why. Following on from comments made by the previous speaker, I say we have been sold a picture with nothing in it. I picture a ship at sea that has a big plank extended out from the side, and I see the ship being hijacked by a few pirates, and the whole crew being asked to walk the plank. I do not believe that that is a situation that 60 to 80 percent of New Zealanders want to be part of. None of us wants to walk that plank just because a minority wishes us to do so, while they hijack the ship\u2014in other words, New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a031c9de-7856-491c-8f6f-bc67f285b4f7\u0022\u003EI see a plank that is based on a set of assumptions. As I understand it from everybody I have heard, and from reading the bill, and listening to the first reading, those assumptions are based on what they call human rights\u2014or civil rights, as some would say. I understand that this is already in existence. We do not need these things. I have asked some lawyers about it, and they point out that the Human Rights Act, or the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, supports the view that the State has not been discriminating against homosexuals and lesbians up to this point. So what is the issue? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a031c9de-7856-491c-8f6f-bc67f285b4f7\u0022\u003EHere we have this plank that is built on a myth, on pretence. I am not convinced that this plank is very, very stable for all of us to walk on. In fact, it takes a lot of faith to believe in this myth, and more faith than some of the Christians, who have been quoted or misquoted, to have faith in it. But the big issue, as I see it, is that this plank leads to nowhere. Even if the civil rights issues, or human rights issues, were issues, where does the plank go? The previous speaker has rightly pointed out that the companion bill is really where it should lead to. Because we do not see what that is, cannot see what it is, and in fact it has been withheld from us, we are going to walk the plank to nowhere. That plank leads us into Davy Jones\u2019 Locker, and we will drown in all sorts of things that as yet we know not of. In fact, there are a few things that one or two people have been saying to me\u2014such as that the good ship New Zealand is losing its way. They ask whether this bill will lead to polygamy; whether a person could marry more than one person. We do not know, because we do not have this companion bill before us. \u201CIs it possible to marry one\u2019s son and daughter?\u201D, they ask. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a031c9de-7856-491c-8f6f-bc67f285b4f7\u0022\u003EWe do not know, so what are we going to agree to or not agree to tonight? I think we should be of a mind to disagree on what we cannot see, because these are promises that are leading to nowhere. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a031c9de-7856-491c-8f6f-bc67f285b4f7\u0022\u003ESomeone asked earlier why the House is under urgency. I think the answer is simple: it is to allow only a little time to get this thing through, because the pirates would lose their cause if we had more time to debate, consider, and put this solidly before ourselves in this Chamber and before the people of New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef3a26ffe9f44d17843f6292ab163559\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Minister of State):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022 data-id=\u00228a0246700e2d41379ce9f4bb82dc631f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228a0246700e2d41379ce9f4bb82dc631f\u0022\u003EDr PAUL HUTCHISON (National\u2014Port Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chairperson, for the opportunity to speak on this very important\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cfaac7b271ce4db888aef3127af08457\u0022\u003ELarry Baldock\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. I am sorry to interrupt the member, but I point out that many members have had only one call on this part, and it was to be a wide-ranging and exhaustive debate. I do hope we are not going to see too many more calls for closure before we have all had a chance to have at least two calls on such an important bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002255a343e709204275a4588af43372fc9f\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: That is not a point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022398a783015e7405e8f61d7a98e4c8688\u0022\u003EDr PAUL HUTCHISON\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chairperson, for the opportunity to speak on this very important and somewhat controversial Civil Union Bill, Part 1. Like most of my colleagues on either side of the Chamber, I have been lobbied very heavily from both sides of the argument. It has been of huge interest to me that an overwhelming majority of constituents in my electorate have asked me to oppose the bill. Nevertheless, I have had some very sincere and somewhat compellingly thought-out arguments from those who support it. But I must say that at the end of the day, for me this is all about what one should hope for in the ideal world, and I would have thought that liberal philosophy would suggest as much freedom as possible, provided it does no harm. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003ESurely, one of the things that we should treasure greatly in this democratic country of ours is the freedoms we do enjoy. I think it was a couple of days ago that Nandor Tanczos said that the principle is utterly simple: it is about whether people should have equal civil rights. I do not think there are many who disagree with that, but, on balance, to me, why should the State be involved with the framework of designing and being involved in the celebration of a personal relationship? Surely, we have in this country a strong tradition of supporting and recognising common law, and surely it is a wonderful freedom for individuals and couples throughout this country, whether heterosexual, same sex, or transgender, to be able to design the framework of the relationship that suits them best, and to be able to celebrate it in the way they would like. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EIt was interesting to me to hear Tim Barnett talking about how important it is to him to be able to celebrate the fact that the State confer a framework that is available to him, that is available to everybody else. But surely the greater freedom is for him to be able to design the sort of framework that actually suits him. We do have a common law tradition in New Zealand. So why should one in the ultimately ideal world have the State involved? That is one of the things I find personally very, very hard to understand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003E When we talk about this question of celebrating a same-sex relationship under a civil union, surely we also should be talking about celebrating the fact that there is basic biological difference between men and women. Surely none us should deny the very fact that there are basic biological different functions\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a11ce4e-9fb3-4738-b0be-5a9f81d975da\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022332050caf6d946e0a4c9e95860914301\u0022\u003EHon Maurice Williamson\u003C/span\u003E: How do you know that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022840e8bb4e7d542fc8138c8256a2b777b\u0022\u003EDr PAUL HUTCHISON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and I as a gynaecologist know that more than anyone else, I am sure! However, these very biological facts hopefully will be celebrated by us all. Similarly, I would join Tim Barnett in welcoming the fact that he should be able to celebrate in whichever way he deems best and appropriate for him in the relationship that he has designed. I think that is a wonderful freedom that we have in this country. Why do we need this extra State framework around it when we have a strong tradition of common law in New Zealand? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EBill English made the point a little while ago that Richard Worth, my colleague, in the last few weeks, or maybe the last few days, has designed an amendment in terms of a civil relationship bill that I think is far superior to and far more inclusive than the Civil Union Bill that has taken so long for this Government to bring up to the Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222a849ed4-a817-45a7-8b86-dbc9dd210193\u0022 data-id=\u0022ed0aff7f445c4bc89267ae0fc649df62\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222a849ed4-a817-45a7-8b86-dbc9dd210193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ed0aff7f445c4bc89267ae0fc649df62\u0022\u003EJILL PETTIS (Senior Whip\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022 data-id=\u0022de6c3a4dea79431783d5274a66085d42\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022de6c3a4dea79431783d5274a66085d42\u0022\u003EGORDON COPELAND (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E As is well known, this bill is aimed at creating a new institution, called a civil union, for heterosexual couples. We can see that in clause 4A(1), for example. When I first realised that civil unions were to include heterosexual couples\u2014that is, the coming together of a woman and a man\u2014I thought it was merely a sophistry to make the bill halfway decent. I thought that the real goal was same-sex marriage, and that the sole aim of the inclusion of heterosexuals was to make that agenda politically palatable. That was until I read the following statement from Prime Minister Helen Clark. I will read it to ensure that I quote it correctly: \u201CMarriage has a lot of inappropriate connotations. It carries associations with religion, belief, etc. My personal interest is in a secular society, and I think a civil union bill is very important for heterosexual couples, as well. I think it will be surprising how many people opt for that. Personally, if civil union had been in place when I was much younger, I certainly would have chosen that option.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EWhen I read those words I was simply dumbfounded. They must surely be the most hostile words to the institution of marriage ever spoken by any leader of any country at any time in history. They stand in stark contrast to the recent action taken by the Australian Government to make it clear that a marriage comprises a union between only one woman and one man, in confirmation of what the word \u201Cmarriage\u201D has meant from the beginning of human history. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EToday happens to be the 41st anniversary of my marriage to Anne. I believe in marriage, whether secular or religious, whether Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Islamic, Seik, or Buddhist, or whether it be the first, second, or third marriage. There is nothing like it. It is unique. It is irreplaceable. With the Greeks, I believe it is the foundation of a society and of a nation. It represents God\u2019s highest and best and His beautiful, loving plan for both the joy of the spouses and for the multiplication of the human race. As an institution it cannot be bettered, although through education it can be prepared for, enriched, nurtured, and improved, with great benefit to the spouses and to their children, and to the whole of society. In fact, society is no more than the sum total of its relationships. Marriage is a vocation founded on the love and commitment of one woman and one man. It can be built up or dumbed down by the State. It is my conviction that the Government can do so much more for marriage and the family, and that was my primary motivation for coming into Parliament in the first place. Of course, not all are called to marriage, and not all marriages are successful. But like anything else in life, the ingredients for resilience can be taught and learnt. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003ESo what does this bill do for marriage? Does it build it up or does it endeavour to pull it down? Is there any basis or evidence to suggest that a name change to civil union and secularisation will in any way be helpful to our country? I think not; nor do New Zealanders. We are told that there are about 150,000 de facto couples in this country. Yet I was able to issue a press release on Monday of this week to say that in spite of the more than probably 1,200 communications I have received about this bill, I had not one single heterosexual couple tell me to vote for this bill because they intend to enter into a civil union\u2014not a single one. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EIn response to my press release I have now had one heterosexual couple contact me to say that they intend to enter into a civil union if this bill is passed, and as far as I am concerned and as far as I know, there is only one such couple in the whole country. So why on earth is the Government taking up the time of Parliament with this ridiculous idea to try to change the name of a rose\u2014the name of something beautiful that has stood the test of time from the beginning of human history\u2014and give it a new name, on the basis that the existing institution is somehow inappropriate? That was the word I seem to remember Bill Clinton used, in terms of his relationship with Monica Lewinsky. Are we saying that that is the image of marriage that exists? Let us dump this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022 data-id=\u00228b5dd369c9624fea90df3df8bfc643fd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228b5dd369c9624fea90df3df8bfc643fd\u0022\u003EHon MARIAN HOBBS (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022 data-id=\u00225da34d5e00e54de69d5fab8878e60426\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225da34d5e00e54de69d5fab8878e60426\u0022\u003ECRAIG McNAIR (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E In speaking to Part 1, I ask members to suppose I am speaking to the title. I am not\u2014but I ask members to suppose that I am. I would call this bill the \u201CWe Don\u2019t Care About What You Think Because We Will Do What We Want and Push Through Our Liberal Lefty Agenda Bill\u201D, because this Government really does not care what the people of New Zealand think. The reason I say that is that, as we have been speaking to Part 1, the referendum question has been put to the Government and to members supporting this bill many, many times. The only answers that come back are basically that members opposite are saying they should make this decision because the decision should be in the hands of members of Parliament, not the people. They are saying that they know best. They are throwing a lot of fancy arguments at us, but at the end of the day they cannot get away with it. If they really believe that the people of New Zealand want this, they would have no problem in putting this issue to a referendum\u2014putting it to the people and asking them what they think. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4dbd83db6f34589933e1061487e7a6f\u0022\u003ENanaia Mahuta\u003C/span\u003E: Can\u2019t make up your minds.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a584367bdbf40c494bce88eed7f156f\u0022\u003ECRAIG McNAIR\u003C/span\u003E: That member over there says we cannot make up our minds, and that is why we want to put it to a referendum. Well, what a load of hogwash! Wanting the people of New Zealand to have their say is a cop-out? I hardly think so. It is a ridiculous argument even to say that we know best and the people of New Zealand do not. That is why I will be supporting the amendment to have a referendum, and I hope the members opposite do, too. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003EAnother issue I want to allude to is that of referenda in the United States. In my last speech, during the first reading debate, I referred to the state of Oregon. That state has actually been one of the more liberal states in the US in terms of its make up, its legislature, and so on, in the past few years. Compared with the conservative Bible-belt states it is a lot more liberal. It is closer to California, and so on. The United States is more like us, and that is why I use it as a comparison. If one wants to be realistic, I would say that Oregon is probably more like New Zealand. But even that state said no to redefining marriage and to allowing a more loose, liberal definition, such as the definition in the Families Commission legislation. Oregon voted no to that definition. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003EI believe that the people know better than the Labour Government and the Green Party that are just ramming this legislation through. I support the people having their say. Do members know what? I feel very strongly that if the Civil Union Bill were put to a referendum, it would get voted down by the people of New Zealand. I have no doubt. Members should look at such polls as the TV3 poll that was held the other day. As the bill gets nearer to crunch point, people are really asking themselves what it will mean for our society in the future\u2014not for them and their children, but for their children\u2019s children. How will the bill benefit society? At the end of the day, were people to get to that polling booth they would say no, it is not good for society. If members disagree with me, let us put it to a referendum and we will see. Let us give it a spin. Let us give the people of New Zealand a go. That is what New Zealand First says. Instead of being a party of minority, we would be a party of the people. That is what I and New Zealand First members say very strongly. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003EI want to raise another issue. I have heard Tim Barnett say that we discriminate if we vote against this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022749a724d-1ef9-49cb-9ba2-2610403653ea\u0022 data-id=\u0022ed9a576b9f694ca4ab4e287e4ad39081\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022749a724d-1ef9-49cb-9ba2-2610403653ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ed9a576b9f694ca4ab4e287e4ad39081\u0022\u003EDIANNE YATES (Labour\u2014Hamilton East):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002255c7c0c6e24f459c99cf419ff3ae4d25\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      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(P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDuncan \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHunt  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPettis \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000602\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000603\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the following amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to clause 4 be agreed to:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000604\u0022\u003Eto insert, in its appropriate alphabetical order, the following definition: \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000605\u0022\u003Ecivil relationship certificate means a certificate of registration of civil relationship issued under section 12.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000606\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the following amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to clause 4 be agreed to: \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000607\u0022\u003Eto omit the definitions of civil union celebrant, exempt body, licence, and prohibited degrees of civil union.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002261dc7909392d434c859c3f4e1c6c06ed\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 47\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEckhoff \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPerry \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETisch \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAlexander  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEnglish \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters J  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETuria  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBaldock \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFranks \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters W  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETurner  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrash \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGudgeon \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPower  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWang \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHeatley \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrebble \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliamson \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter D  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHutchison \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoy \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoolerton  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter J  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERyall  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWorth \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECatchpole \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKey  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoddington  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMapp  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShirley \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECollins  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcNair \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith L  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EConnell  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENewman  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECopeland \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EOgilvy  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStewart  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDunne  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParaone  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Ete Heuheu  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 72\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAnderton  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDuynhoven  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKedgley  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobson  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESamuels  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarker \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEwen-Street  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELaban  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimich  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarnett \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFairbrother \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELocke  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESowry  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBenson-Pope \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EField  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMackey J  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESutton  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBeyer  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFitzsimons  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMackey M  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwain  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBradford  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGallagher  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMaharey  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETamihere  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoff  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETanczos \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBurton  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGosche  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETizard  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter C  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoudie  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETurei  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EChadwick \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHartley  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcCully  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWard  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EChoudhary  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHawkins \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilson  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHereora  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EOkeroa  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWong  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECosgrove  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHide  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYates  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECullen \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHobbs  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeck  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECunliffe  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHodgson  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPillay \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDalziel \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHoromia  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERich  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDonald  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERirinui  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDuncan \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHunt  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPettis \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 47\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEckhoff \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPerry\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETisch \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAlexander  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEnglish \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters J  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETuria \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBaldock \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFranks  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters W  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETurner  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrash \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGudgeon  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPower  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWang \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHeatley  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrebble \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliamson \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter D  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHutchison \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoy \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoolerton  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter J  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERyall  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWorth  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECatchpole  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKey  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoddington  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMapp  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShirley\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECollins  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcNair \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith L  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EConnell  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENewman \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECopeland  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EOgilvy  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStewart  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDunne  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParaone  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Ete Heuheu  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 72\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAnderton  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDuynhoven  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKedgley  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobson  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESamuels  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarker \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEwen-Street  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELaban  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimich \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarnett \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFairbrother  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELocke  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESowry  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBenson-Pope \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EField  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMackey J  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESutton  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBeyer  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFitzsimons \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMackey M  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwain  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBradford  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGallagher  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMaharey  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETamihere  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoff  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETanczos \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBurton  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGosche  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETizard  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter C  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoudie  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETurei  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EChadwick  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHartley  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcCully  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWard  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EChoudhary  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHawkins \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilson  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHereora  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EOkeroa  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWong  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECosgrove  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHide  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYates  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECullen  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHobbs  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeck  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECunliffe  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHodgson  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPillay  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDalziel  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHoromia  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERich  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDonald  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERirinui  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDuncan \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHunt  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPettis \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 47\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEckhoff \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPerry \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETisch \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAlexander  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEnglish \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters J  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETuria  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBaldock  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFranks \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters W  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETurner  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrash  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGudgeon  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPower \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWang \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHeatley  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrebble \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliamson \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter D  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHutchison  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoy \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoolerton  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter J  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERyall  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWorth  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECatchpole  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKey  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoddington  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMapp  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShirley \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECollins  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcNair \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith L  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EConnell  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENewman \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECopeland\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EOgilvy  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStewart  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDunne  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParaone  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Ete Heuheu  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 73\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAnderton  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDuynhoven  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimich \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELaban  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESowry  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarker \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEwen-Street  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELocke  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESutton  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarnett \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFairbrother  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMackey J  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwain  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBenson-Pope \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EField  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMackey M  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETamihere  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBeyer  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFitzsimons  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMaharey  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETanczos \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBradford  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGallagher  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETizard  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoff  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETurei  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBurton  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGosche  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWard  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter C  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoudie  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcCully  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilson  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EChadwick  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHartley  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              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          \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECosgrove  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcNair \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStewart  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDunne  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENewman \u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETamihere  (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000608\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000609\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to omit clause 4A be agreed to. \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000610\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000611\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to omit clause 5 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000612\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000613\u0022\u003EPart 1 agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022be46c72202824102b3e16fd531b8f87d\u0022\u003EPart 2  Civil unions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u002271dd045e9e1a446d80696196c82a9402\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002271dd045e9e1a446d80696196c82a9402\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E Here we are in urgency, passing a piece of social engineering from this Labour Government. I want to object to three particular elements of the process in respect of this debate. The first thing is to ask why on earth we need to deal under urgency with an issue as important as the very structure of the families of our society. What is the great rush? I would like to know from George Hawkins, or any other Labour member, how they justify rushing this sort of provision through the House prior to Christmas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EThe second point I wish to make is this: why will Labour members not be honest and say that this is the \u201CGay Marriage Bill\u201D? In every single element of law, whether education law, health law, or superannuation law\u2014in every single one of the 1,034 areas affected\u2014marriage and civil union are to be absolutely identical. I say to the members opposite that if they really have the courage of their convictions, why do they not say they are legislating for gay marriage?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EThe third part of the process of this bill that is appalling is that its associated bill, the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill, has been deferred. Why is Parliament, under urgency, being asked to pass this bill, when the Government has acknowledged that there are problems and complications with the second bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E The further point I want to make is that Government members have repeatedly said that this bill does not undermine marriage. What this bill and its associated bill propose to do is to say that it makes absolutely no difference in terms of the law of the land whether one is in a same-sex civil union, married, or in a de facto relationship. I ask members opposite why on earth anybody would get married. If people can shack up, get the same rights, and, what is more, walk out the next day with none of the hassles of getting a divorce\u2014if they can get straight out of the relationship\u2014why would anyone bother getting married? Members opposite say this bill does not undermine marriage. Of course, it does.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aeef1c0241214bf582595280a995b152\u0022\u003EDarren Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: How?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d3fe39fe4e346418618bc5c73ad1d98\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: I shall explain for the member for Otaki, who said that it does not undermine marriage. Without any obligations, without any requirement to do anything in the form of a marriage, people can enter into a de facto relationship and pick up, via the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill, all 1,034 of the legal rights that go with being married. So why bother marrying?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253734419772b48278091f466709c2648\u0022\u003EDarren Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: But this is the Civil Union Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea0fadb90c754b33aa56da380cd09ac4\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Hughes is interjecting that this is the Civil Union Bill, but the Government introduced the two bills together, and I have had absolutely no indication from the Government that it will make any change in that second part of the process. Will Darren Hughes support me in saying that it is a nonsense for Parliament to debate this bill without the other bill? I heard another member say it was like being asked to buy the door of a house without knowing the structure of it, and he is right. But only the Government can take responsibility for the weird way in which we are being forced to debate this issue. I tell Mr Hughes that the only thing we can take from that is what is always set aside, and that is that civil union and marriage will be identical, and that is wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022 data-id=\u002277734a56a3c3490d9d0656fd2fc682ae\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002277734a56a3c3490d9d0656fd2fc682ae\u0022\u003ELIANNE DALZIEL (Labour\u2014Christchurch East):\u003C/span\u003E I believe that there is something that undermines marriage, and that is infidelity\u2014where a husband cheats on his wife and takes to his bed a woman who is not his wife. He is married to that woman, they have children together, they live together, and to all intents and purposes they have a perfect and happy life together, but he breaks the sacred vow they made on their wedding day by cheating on his wife, children, church, family, community, and the whole of society. Gay couples do not do that to another relationship\u2014unless they are breaking the particular commitment that they have made to each other. The point I am making is that it is extremely hypocritical to suggest in any context that because a husband and wife have the perfect marriage from the outside, that marriage is perfect on the inside as well. It is wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003E I think it is important for people to realise that what we are debating in this Chamber is actually whether a couple who want to make a commitment to each other for the rest of their lives are entitled to have that commitment recognised by the law. This is not about gay marriage; this is about allowing same-sex couples to have their genuine, committed relationships recognised by the law. I do not believe that there is anything wrong with saying that we welcome people entering into long-term, committed relationships. I sat at the select committee and heard people say that gay people were more promiscuous than everyone else. I was surprised that so many heterosexual people had not had sexual relations before they got married. I was very surprised that so many men had never had sexual relations with anyone other than the woman they had married. I was surprised at the numbers of those people who came before the select committee. I assume that that was what they were saying, because it was the standard they expected of everyone else.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003E But what is really the issue is that a couple who are together want to be able to have a ceremony that acknowledges their relationship, so that they can then spend the rest of their life together having an anniversary date on which they can celebrate the beginning of their relationship. I probably have an anniversary date other than my wedding date. It is the date I started living with my husband\u2014living in sin, I guess some of the church people who came before the select committee would have said. I lived with my husband for 5 years, before we got married. I have been married to him for 4 years. My wedding anniversary is my anniversary date, not the date that we started living together. I see nothing wrong with allowing a date to be given to people who want to make that commitment to each other. Surely that encourages stability and genuine relationships in our society. Why does it matter that they are same-sex relationships? Those relationships will continue to exist de facto, if not de jure.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EPeople have made the point that we are in urgency. These are the normal sitting hours of the House. The House normally sits until 10 o\u2019clock on a Tuesday night. All that urgency is is extended sitting hours. It is a nonsense to suggest that this bill is being rushed through. The select committee sat through hundreds of submissions, and we listened to them very carefully. Some of us sat on the select committee and took our role very seriously. Even though Murray Smith from United Future has a view different from mine on this bill, I have to respect the contribution he made at the select committee. I see Edwin Perry from New Zealand First; he had exactly the same level of commitment at the select committee. We can have differences of view, and we can respect those views.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EThis is not about gay marriage; this is about accepting that there are couples in our society who are different. They are not heterosexual; they are homosexual. There are gay and lesbian couples in our community who deserve to have their relationships recognised in the law. That is all that civil union does. It does not threaten my marriage. It does not threaten the marriage of any members in this Chamber\u2014unless that marriage is threatened by infidelity, by their walking away from the promises they made to their wives on the day they got married, by their breaking those promises. I have never broken that promise to my husband, and I made that promise genuinely. I would never betray the trust that he has in me and that I have in him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022 data-id=\u0022977d9353d0a34f7eac11c256158e0617\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022977d9353d0a34f7eac11c256158e0617\u0022\u003EDAIL JONES (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Despite the previous speaker wanting us to get into true confessions, I will not take that course. [Interruption] I should have been so very lucky, perhaps.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EI make the point that this is a gay marriage bill, and it is this part above anything else that makes that absolutely clear. Clause 8, \u201CAge of eligibility\u201D, tells us when one can get involved in a gay marriage. The previous comparative section is a section from the Marriage Act. Members should compare this bill to that Act of 1955\u2014Act No. 92\u2014because when we look at it, we can see a similar section with regard to marriages. As far as this bill is concerned, partners are not to be already married or in a civil union, so we are talking about marriage in the same breath as civil union. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EClause 9 is headed: \u201CPartners not to be within prohibited degrees of civil union\u201D, and we can compare that to another section in the Marriage Act. There is the same type of degrees of relationships as exists in the Marriage Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EI do not know much about the gay marriage that is proposed, but when it concerns a man and a man, and when in the legislation there are prohibited degrees of man and man, I ask whether it is really necessary. I would not have thought so. It is irrelevant, but here we are pretending. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EThat is what this bill is about. There is a lot of pretence and make-believe. The Government wants a gay couple to be like man and wife, so it pretends that the same prohibited degrees of man and women apply to a homosexual or lesbian relationship. The reason we have these prohibited degrees for a man and a woman is to prevent the problems that arise from an incestuous relationship\u2014people marrying first or second cousins, etc., as the case might be. That is something that goes back hundreds and thousands of years, because it was known even in those days that those close relationships could result in problems.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003ESo we have the gay marriage situation. It is like little boys and girls playing doctors and nurses\u2014or little boys and boys playing doctors and nurses, I suppose. The Government still wants them to play at being husband and wife, so it plays at having prohibited degrees of civil union. It is grotesque to have this type of thing in the bill. It is absolutely grotesque for one to possibly believe that this thing could exist, but that is what this Labour Party\u2014with Helen Clark as its leader\u2014is imposing on us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EBefore I came to the House, I used to hear people talk about \u201CHelengrad\u201D. Now we are well and truly going to live in \u201CHelengrad\u201D if this type of grotesque relationship is being foisted on the House, supported principally by every Green member of Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EIn clause 10 we talk about: \u201COrder dispensing with prohibition on civil union within prohibited degrees of affinity\u201D, and we carry on with the same provisions that are in the Marriage Act. We even talk about solemnisation by civil union celebrants. We use the word \u201Csolemnisation\u201D. In my view, that is nothing to do with anything other than a form of formal marriage between a man and a woman\u2014one solemnises something with a celebrant. But the Government still has to go on with this grotesque pretence, and pretend that it is something wonderful and new\u2014just like a solemnisation between a man and a woman, which it will never be and can never be. There is solemnisation by a registrar, and couples have to get licences. There is more solemnisation by a civil union celebrant, and then solemnisation by an exempt body. The Government loves these words and loves this pretence of people being in a marriage situation, but we know that it is not a marriage situation. It is just something utterly false and make-believe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EThen in clauses 17 and 18 the Government talks about the \u201CChanging form of relationship\u201D. I will be supporting the amendments being put forward by United Future members to delete or amend clauses 17 and 18, as the case may be, just as I think about 11 New Zealand First members who supported the amendments put forward by Richard Worth. I think that that should be put on the record, as well. That is the way we voted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EWe do not want to be intolerant, and Richard Worth came up with a very reasonable suggestion. In taking a tolerant view of it, we thought we would go along with that provision even though we opposed the bill, bearing in mind that Richard Worth\u2019s provisions also had a referendum linked to them, as well. New Zealand First is prepared to have an open mind on this issue; our members are prepared to look at other members\u2019 views. So the views of Richard Worth and United Future members have been and will be supported by New Zealand First.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u002284bf163df85e40f086de4b85f1500173\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002284bf163df85e40f086de4b85f1500173\u0022\u003EDAVID PARKER (Labour\u2014Otago):\u003C/span\u003E I would like to deal with a couple of issues that have been raised by earlier speakers. The first relates to the idea that somehow this is a Labour Party agenda being pushed out and ahead of the will of the people, and that there is not a broad mainstream viewpoint in favour of this bill. It is interesting, is it not? That viewpoint really has no credibility. The New Zealand Herald editorial, the Press editorial, the Timaru Herald, the Ashburton paper, the Southland Times\u2014from Mr English\u2019s own electorate, and from mine\u2014and the Otago Daily Times were all unambiguous and are clearly in favour of this legislation. There is absolute unanimity on the part of all those editorials. How in the face of those considered editorials, from hardly left-wing rags or harbingers of advancement of radical issues, can the Opposition still try to assert\u2014I say without any credibility\u2014that this bill is some outrageous Labour Party agenda ahead of the nation? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EDr Smith and Mr English have both made reference to an issue that Stephen Franks has raised previously about how we should not be automatically conferring on de facto relationships rights that should be reserved for, or opted into through, marriage or civil union. Those members say through marriage only; I say through marriage or civil union. I actually agree with that point. I think that most of us do think that there is something special about some relationships symbolised in some way by an official recognition of a long-term relationship, and that we ought not automatically give the same rights to all de facto relationships. I agree with that. What I disagree with is that we should, for reasons of gender, exclude gay people from having a legally recognised relationship that gives them certain protections, which might be different from what is given to de facto relationships. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c0fbd6efe2564b1080e27f51c4df9c32\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Vote for Richard Worth\u2019s amendments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0445e9541ac41008c62f9564f830707\u0022\u003EDAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I disagree with Mr Worth\u2019s amendments. I agree with the general proposition I have just put, but what I disagree with is the leap of faith and the lack of logic that takes that argument to the next step and says that because that issue is not yet resolved, we should not actually deal with the issue of civil unions. Why not? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EI take this back to the first comment I made in my first call. I am married and I have children, but I do not believe that civil unions threaten the institution of marriage\u2014not my marriage nor any other marriage. Giving rights to a minority never undermines the majority. It is that simple. It does not undermine the majority. Anyone who has a view to the contrary, I am afraid, with respect, is wrong. If members look at any other area of human rights, they will see that affording human rights to the minority never takes away anything from the majority. It just gives rights to the minority. It does not undermine the majority in any way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EIn terms of the suggestion that we should have a referendum, again, the newspapers have been pretty clear and wise on that. That would be abrogating the responsibility we have as parliamentarians to hear the arguments and make a wise decision. It is no more appropriate to have a referendum on this issue than it is on the foreshore and seabed, or any other contentious issue that comes before Parliament. We are well able to hear the arguments. We take responsibility, and I will take responsibility for the vote I cast. I will be judged by my constituents, and I am confident, notwithstanding the rhetoric from National to the contrary, that at the end of this term my constituents will be satisfied that I have taken my responsibilities seriously and cast my vote wisely, and will return me in Otago. The idea that we should devolve the difficult decisions involving the rights of minorities to referenda is one that would always favour the majority over the minority and would abrogate the rights of the minority in favour of the majority.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022 data-id=\u00227b947ba959694641ac053f1bb1985c1c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227b947ba959694641ac053f1bb1985c1c\u0022\u003ESTEPHEN FRANKS (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E This part is the part that actually does the damage. This is the part that creates this pantomime of marriage where the intention is clearly to invoke a State blessing for a relationship without defining the relationship or setting out what the relationship should contain. When the select committee was working through this part, we seriously looked at\u2014in fact, we asked for some drafting on\u2014what a civil union might be. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EWe fiddled around with the solemnisation, as it is called, and now have the words, which I do not think are going to become immortal words, that must represent the vow. Clause 15(2) states: \u201CDuring the solemnisation, in the presence of the civil union celebrant and at least 2 witnesses, each party must make a clear statement to the other that\u2014(a) names both parties; and (b) acknowledges that they are freely joining in a civil union with each other.\u201D That is all it says. What it is doing is trying to hitchhike on those sonorous words that bring tears to the eyes of mothers every weekend. There is a variance of words, but they are words such as: \u201CForsaking all others, till death do us part, for better for worse, in sickness and in health, for richer for poorer.\u201D Those are the words that have created the respect for marriage. Those are not in any Act. Those words have been negated by a series of Governments that decided they could make these promises unenforceable. They have been negated to the point where the institution of marriage itself is not something to be looked up to and respected as far as it extends to law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EWhat the select committee briefly discussed but did not get to doing, was looking at what Richard Worth eventually has said. He said that all we should be doing is saying people can opt in to being treated for legal purposes as a couple, wanting next-of-kin rights and wanting the superannuation entitlements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 10 p.m. to 9 a.m. (Wednesday)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20041207164eb9256770488ab82b4142fd21d21c000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b0b7b9a87416442ea8d792f29eae2c65\u0022\u003ETuesday, 7 December 2004\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000002\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224f89bed41b494179adecda9f88c758c2\u0022\u003E(continued on Wednesday, 8 December 2004)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022dec2d5d4abcd4e3dafea51bfb9b7df50\u0022\u003ECivil Union Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e89062131f0f42bd976f50984d85bf73\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000005\u0022\u003EDebate resumed.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002277a787901bd545e0a192e86f80cf392d\u0022\u003EPart 2  Civil unions (continued)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022 data-id=\u002223e2ca3bd2d44eddac0cf170acc9fd10\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002223e2ca3bd2d44eddac0cf170acc9fd10\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: When the debate finished last night, Stephen Franks was speaking. He has 2 minutes and 15 seconds remaining, should he wish to continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022 data-id=\u0022536a6241fed24eab8bb2e6fc7c6c46d5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022536a6241fed24eab8bb2e6fc7c6c46d5\u0022\u003ESTEPHEN FRANKS (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I do wish to continue speaking\u2014and I wish for much more. However, we will see what happens. We are dealing with the core of the bill at the moment. The concern I raised before we rose last night was that the bill assumes the contract that is represented by civil union, and does not state what it is. The objection immediately came up in the Justice and Electoral Committee that the Marriage Act does not do so either. That should have caused a responsible Parliament to decide whether we have so emptied marriage of content that we can no longer assume it is for committed, stable relationships\u2014or exclusive relationships\u2014and that we ought to go back and look at both, in terms of the policy. What is it we are trying to do? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EWhen the French Pacte Civil de Solidarit\u00E9 came in in 1999, their Parliament debated for 120 hours. That is more than 7 weeks of our full-time sitting time. It came up with a regime that has some real substance. For example, the contract can stipulate how household items are required to be divided, and what welfare and work benefits there are\u2014things like taking annual holidays together. It excludes automatic descent or succession rules. The tax treatment, which equates to marriage, arises only after 3 years of successful living together in a civil union. In other words, the French Parliament took seriously the questions that have been completely ducked here in the effort to get a great symbolic victory\u2014something to whack around the ears of all the people whom the Government likes to call homophobes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221772e9f5-5379-4bfe-9d9b-eaffb4c61b02\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285c151c373454afb8ba6dcae9833c254\u0022\u003EHon Harry Duynhoven\u003C/span\u003E: Not the Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9c51ddc7511404e981e8e951fcc7d3a\u0022\u003ESTEPHEN FRANKS\u003C/span\u003E: This is a Government bill, I say to Mr Duynhoven, which he is voting for, because he has probably been whipped to do so but will not admit it. The Government calls homophobes people who raise legitimate questions such as why we are debating a civil union bill without defining \u201Ccivil union\u201D. Why is the State engaged in so-called recognising a relationship, when it does not have any interest in what that relationship is? There is absolutely no reason why a civil union could not exist for one day and expressly qualify.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022 data-id=\u00228a9a2df0c93644029948f273b56af57c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228a9a2df0c93644029948f273b56af57c\u0022\u003EPAUL ADAMS (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E I will not be supporting this legislation. I have been thinking through it, because there are a lot of things that have been discussed and there has been a lot of debate on the Christian perspective, yet every major religion in the world affirms marriage except one, which I have heard about loud and strong in the debate, and that is secular humanism. I believe that has been a strong voice in this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003EIn the early days of my rallying career, we did a tremendous amount of our special-stage driving at night time. To be honest, I absolutely loved it. All I could see with those powerful spotlights mounted on the front of the car was the road ahead. Everything else was in pitch darkness. Even if I had wanted to see what was on either side of the road that I was going down at breakneck speed, it was impossible because of the darkness. That is exactly what is happening with the Government-led Civil Union Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003EThe Government has decided the road it wants New Zealanders to go down, and all its effort and attention is on giving illumination to that road or pathway\u2014only. It is trying to convince us that it is a good road, and it wants to hide everything that may be on either side of the road in darkness. Well, I have news for the Government. Another thing I learnt from my years in rallying is that darkness does not last forever. At a point in time, the sun does begin to rise. We are at a point in New Zealand history at which the sun is beginning to rise over our nation. Things that have been previously hidden from view by the night will now be seen clearly by all, because when the sun begins to rise, the darkness must go. No longer is the road alone all that we see. What is on either side becomes of tremendous importance as it affects the ability to maintain maximum forward motion on the road ahead of us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003EMiddle New Zealand has seen what this legislation really is, and the Government will not be able to hide the consequences of it from them. I believe that middle New Zealand has been speaking clearly on the bill. They know that it has nothing to do with loving relationships and absolutely everything to do with gay marriage. Not one email I received stated that couples were looking forward to having a civil union next year, but many stated that they were looking forward to getting married next year. Members should think of the complications. Already we have Mr, Mrs, Miss, Master, and Ms. What on earth will we call these? \u201CCivs\u201D? Just imagine the cost to business for the stationery. Just imagine the cost to Air New Zealand when people fill out their cards. What will they be: \u201CCiv\u201D, Miss, or Ms? It gets confusing. Besides, one cannot build on a lie. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003EHomosexuality is a choice. Nobody is born homosexual, as far as I am concerned. Yes, one may lean more towards one\u2019s masculine or feminine side, but one is either a male or a female. As I said previously, I have never heard of anybody\u2019s bones being found and identified as lesbian or homosexual. People are either male or female. I have never seen a birth notice announcing the birth of a baby lesbian or homosexual. As we heard previously, God made two types only\u2014male and female. The gender people were born with is the gender they will die with, and science will always confirm that. One can shout it from the rooftops as long as one likes\u2014there are only two types. I know many gay and lesbian men and women who chose to participate in the gay lifestyle but who have since chosen to leave it. All tell a similar story, which is normally, to be honest, a very sad story. But the bottom line, always, is that it always was a choice. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003EI do not believe legislation should be passed to encourage people into making wrong choices. I was fortunate enough to be brought up in a generation that was at least taught what was right and what was wrong. I did not always follow what was right, because people will always be able to exercise their free will. However, many years later, one learns and appreciates that many things one thought was OK when one was young in actual fact had consequences that were not pleasant. If this legislation passes\u2014and I pray that it will not\u2014there will be consequences to our nation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022 data-id=\u002219658c24f6d943cca4e003f9317253c0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002219658c24f6d943cca4e003f9317253c0\u0022\u003ETIM BARNETT (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E I speak as a man who has never felt as though he has been through a traumatic experience. I do not think anyone abused me into becoming gay. From the very earliest time I recognised my sexuality, I realised I was gay. It may come as a shock to Paul Adams to hear that, but the reality is that there are many people in our society who have a genuine sexuality that is normally identified as lesbian or gay, and that has not been caused by a trauma or an experience on the road to Damascus. In my view the reasons are genetic, but, for whatever reason, it is a reality. There are people who identify in that way, and against all the odds we choose to try to form relationships with people of our own gender. In many ways our lives would probably be a lot easier if we chose to go along with the pressure that parents and the majority of people often put on us, but we do not choose to do that. We choose to be who we are, just like others in this Chamber and, I think, we generally get recognition by society for that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EI have a friend who is now 94 years old. As it happens, he is the father of a former member in this House. He recognised in his teens that there was something different about him. Brian Donnelly spoke very powerfully yesterday about the kind of sense he had about his brother that there was something a little different about him. My friend knew from his teens that he was different from many of his male peers, and he identified that as being something that in those days was impossible to express externally. He married\u2014a happy marriage\u2014had a family, and eventually his wife died. By then in his 80s, he could come out as something he always was\u2014namely, someone who is gay. That was not as a result of an experience he went through; that was his sexuality. I know that Paul Adams represents an extreme in this Parliament. I know that there are honourable people like Stephen Franks who do not deny that sexuality outside of heterosexuality is a reality. It is just a pity that they cannot go one step further and recognise that we should be treated as equal citizens in this Parliament and in this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EI want to make a fundamental point about the Human Rights Act. Many in this Chamber choose to denigrate that, but back in the early 1990s this Parliament, after extensive debate, agreed to substantially expand our human rights legislation. The major debate was around the issue of sexual orientation. There was also debate around\u2014as the wording put it\u2014the presence of organisms in the body, which was about whether people who have hepatitis or are HIV positive should be protected from discrimination. Disability and other grounds were also added to that legislation. That was a fundamental debate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EIn many countries, human rights laws such as we have are embedded in a constitution. When we describe New Zealand\u2019s constitutional arrangements, we talk about our human rights law. Having said that, once that decision was made, naturally it flowed through society. We saw through the 1990s that many private providers of, for example, pension schemes and insurance schemes recognised same-sex partners as part of a reality in society. So they removed discrimination from their services. Towards the end of the 1990s the National Government tried to give the Government itself a permanent exemption from the Human Rights Act. Eventually it withdrew from that proposal, and 3 years ago, really by agreement across this Parliament, the Human Rights Act was expanded, as was always intended, to include the Government. Once it included the Government, from which legislation comes, it was always inevitable that legislation that was discriminatory against groups in our society would be addressed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EIf we look at New Zealand legislation, we see that people with disabilities and people who are lesbian or gay are the two major groups who are discriminated against in our law. That is exactly what this legislation is about. It would have been possible at that point to say we had to expand marriage. Very sensibly, I think, the decision was made to leave marriage untouched and instead set up a separate institution called civil union, which certainly should be open to same-sex couples and have the same basic elements as marriage. That is a fundamental delivery of equality to New Zealanders. At the same time, given that we do not want to set up discriminatory institutions, it makes some sense to open that to heterosexual de facto couples, added on to the fact that we know that there are now many New Zealanders living in heterosexual relationships. One-quarter of all heterosexual couples and one-third of young heterosexual couples are living together in relationships. That is what this legislation is all about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022075eff2f-7904-4500-8339-3972160a627f\u0022 data-id=\u002247877ebab8954d469e8704e4a8a04494\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022075eff2f-7904-4500-8339-3972160a627f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002247877ebab8954d469e8704e4a8a04494\u0022\u003EJIM PETERS (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E It is interesting, is it not, that in response to Mr Adams\u2019 everyday, common-sense comments, the reply from the Government side of the debate was that his is an extreme viewpoint. That really illustrates to this Committee and to the wider world exactly where we are with regard to this debate. I rise with pleasure to speak in opposition to the bill that is before the Committee. I support the contention that New Zealand First continues to advance that these issues should not be decided by us. The last speaker amplified very clearly why we should not decide them. He demonstrated the complete range of belief of an extreme type that has developed\u2014which is not surprising, though\u2014on the other side of the Chamber in a compliance, social, and moral issue - riddled Government. Government members have come to the Chamber and, as the previous speaker did, proposed that what I believe the majority of people believe to be an ordinary, everyday assumption is extreme. That label has been placed upon Mr Adams and others who support what thousands of us have said is our belief with regard to the institution of marriage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022075eff2f-7904-4500-8339-3972160a627f\u0022\u003EI rise for another reason. This bill amply demonstrates to the wider country something of the nature of the present Government. At the first reading we had a comprehensive bill in the House that presented to the country a whole range of not just marriage and partnership implications but financial ones, as well. Now we have before us a small part of that, with the draconian, unknown implications of what it means deliberately left for another day. I say to the Minister in the chair, David Benson-Pope, that that is just not good enough. We have a right to see the total implications for the constitutional and legal framework of this surprising change that is before the Committee. We do not have that, because the Government has deliberately left it off the agenda. That illustrates to me something in terms of the continued tampering with the constitutional nature of this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022075eff2f-7904-4500-8339-3972160a627f\u0022\u003EI raise another issue. Here we have a most extraordinary position. We have had much comment made about marriage, and some comment made about de facto relationships and same-sex relationships. But now, into the continuum of at least three different types of relationships or partnerships, we have a fourth one: a Labour Government - instituted civil union. It is a fourth one, and again I say we are without any knowledge at the present time of the full financial implications of what it means. I say to the Minister that that is not atypical of what one sees from this Government with regard to social and moral issues. There has been a huge tendency to interfere in everyday life. We will see that on Friday, when those who would normally go about their private business will be constrained with regard to where they can smoke. I have no doubt that next we will see outdoor bars in the street being constrained by that social determination on the part of the Labour Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022075eff2f-7904-4500-8339-3972160a627f\u0022\u003EThis bill is another step on that continued path\u2014that is what it is. It really is social engineering engendered by a minority opinion, for all the reasons that the last speaker spoke of. We are coming to the point now whereby a normal, everyday, common-sense attitude is regarded as extreme. That is the level of debate that I have seen all through the years with regard to the social and moral issues that are before us. The result of all this will be in the classroom. There will be an absolute desire that these issues be perpetuated day by day in teaching in the future. As a teacher I deplore what is happening right here. We have before us a systematic and\u2014if it is passed\u2014successful attempt to reconfigure much of the thinking that will take place in the institutions of this country. On behalf of the New Zealand First supporters who have spoken to me, I regard that with abhorrence. I regard the whole matter of civil union as one that, at best, those who support it may have some gratitude for, but that for me is a very, very major attempt to upset our fabric.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022 data-id=\u00227c1c9a8cfc21415dbceccb6919ccaa46\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227c1c9a8cfc21415dbceccb6919ccaa46\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Associate Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E I will take a brief call to respond to the comments made by the preceding speaker. The first thing I say to Mr Peters is that this is not compulsory. One of the things that makes me most proud to be a part of this Government is that it is prepared to take hard decisions. This is a hard decision, but it is an appropriate one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022075eff2f-7904-4500-8339-3972160a627f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5b0efc401124de7b979b91a22e2aa97\u0022\u003EJim Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Where\u2019s the other bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225316288c81654d628d37f7563f23123a\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE\u003C/span\u003E: I say to Mr Peters that I will come to that. For me, this legislation is the absolutely inevitable consequence of the human rights and Bill of Rights legislation passed by our predecessors in Government in the 1990s. We cannot have those decisions on our statute book and continue to allow the discrimination that currently exists in this and related areas. In terms of the companion Relationships (Statutory References) Bill, it would have been ideal to debate it in tandem with this bill. I acknowledge that. I also acknowledge the ongoing work that the Justice and Electoral Committee is doing on it. It would have been impossible, given the workload of the House and the House roster at this time, to do that before Christmas. I think it is entirely appropriate that the select committee has taken the decision\u2014which has, of course, been its decision\u2014to make sure that that ongoing work continues\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022075eff2f-7904-4500-8339-3972160a627f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297b04a589e3146d39deb82af0455a7cc\u0022\u003EJim Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022056156e116b541d7b6e94e4f3d95aac6\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE\u003C/span\u003E: I say to Mr Peters that the committee members are masters of their own destiny. They are making sure that that work continues, in order to ensure that there are no unforeseen consequences of that legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u00224c264a87156a4067b4d2fe046251c0b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224c264a87156a4067b4d2fe046251c0b9\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (National\u2014Clutha-Southland):\u003C/span\u003E The Minister has just put his finger on the nub of the problem. The reason we do not have the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill here is precisely that the Justice and Electoral Committee discovered the legislation had unintended consequences. One of the big problems with this issue is that the Government is taking a bureaucratic view of human rights. The logic of what the Minister has just said is that we all have a human right to have the same sort of relationship, which the Government somehow has to guarantee in law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228851ac8edaad4d64ac4bed703b24b086\u0022\u003EHon David Benson-Pope\u003C/span\u003E: No, that you\u2019re not discriminated against.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002255cc8277135d448c8c398e5bd3920175\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: No. The only way to show that people are not discriminated against is for us all to have the same sort of relationship. How can any difference in rights and obligations possibly be justified, according to the Minister\u2019s logic? That point is demonstrated in clause 18 of the Civil Union Bill. I notice the subtle change made by the Justice and Electoral Committee. Clause 18 used to be called \u201CConverting civil union into marriage\u201D. At least that was honest. Now it is called \u201CChanging form of relationship\u201D. Labour has decided that civil union cannot be said to be marriage. Lianne Dalziel got up yesterday and said that civil union is not gay marriage. The Government therefore could not have anything in the bill that looked as though it was gay marriage, so it has changed the title of clause 18 from \u201CConverting civil union into marriage\u201D to \u201CChanging form of relationship\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EWe know the policy intention, because that is expressed in the commentary on this bill. I refer the Committee to the heading \u201CProhibited degrees of civil union\u201D. The paragraph under that heading states: \u201CWhile the policy rationale is to reinforce the status of civil union as legally equivalent to marriage, many of the prohibited degrees of marriage were introduced for historical reasons \u2026\u201D. I do not want to discuss the prohibited degrees in any detail, but that does make it quite clear that the Government\u2019s policy rationale is to reinforce the status of civil union as being legally equivalent to marriage. I want the Minister to tell this Committee what degree of legal equivalence there will be between civil union and marriage when this bill is passed, if it is passed at the end of this week. That matters because people will be able to interchange the two sorts of relationships. They will have different statutory definitions, so if anyone is to vote for or against this bill he or she needs to know the consequences of those definitions. That is why this bill is a nonsense without the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill\u2014we simply do not know what will be in it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EThe issue is tricky enough even within marriage. In the church in which I was married, the registration aspect is simply a requirement by the Government that has no relevance to the validity of the marriage of which I am part. In fact, the Catholic Church, in which I was married, says that we marry each other; we do not even need to have a celebrant. The substance of the marriage is in the personal commitment made in front of the community, with the sacramental overlay\u2014which is more than an overlay; it is at the heart of it. That is a completely different version, even within marriage, of how and why it happens and why it is valid. We then go off and sign the Government\u2019s licence, because that is what the State requires us to do. If we have that kind of complexity within the social meaning of marriage, then what are the implications of civil unions being converted into marriages, and vice versa? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EPeople have a right to know what this legislation means. If the Minister cannot tell us, who will decide that? Parliament could, with subsequent legislation. As I have said before in this debate, I do not think Parliament will ever see that legislation, because the select committee will not be able to resolve issues like the definition of de facto. For welfare purposes de facto means a couple that has been together for a couple of weeks, and for property purposes it is a couple that has been together for 3 years. How can we possibly discriminate in that way?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022749a724d-1ef9-49cb-9ba2-2610403653ea\u0022 data-id=\u00225139581bb95e4222a1da3ddf5b88a5fd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022749a724d-1ef9-49cb-9ba2-2610403653ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225139581bb95e4222a1da3ddf5b88a5fd\u0022\u003EDIANNE YATES (Labour\u2014Hamilton East):\u003C/span\u003E There is a lot of huffing and puffing from members on the Opposition side of the Chamber, particularly from the previous speaker who was formerly a Minister and could have done a lot of things then that he talks about now. If he was really concerned about the situation, perhaps he should have overturned the human rights legislation. I will talk about Part 2 of the Civil Union Bill, which is about processes, formalities, and the vows people take. We are not talking about marriage in this Committee, as has been made very, very clear. We are talking about a legal contract with the State. We are not talking about the marriage vows that many people make within their churches. Nor are we talking about marriage as a sacrament, which I know that many churches, particularly the Catholic Church, uphold and believe in\u2014and have done so for centuries. We are talking about a legal contract that is enforceable by the law of this land. I have no objection to people going through these formalities and forming a legal contract in which they make a commitment to each other. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022749a724d-1ef9-49cb-9ba2-2610403653ea\u0022\u003EPart 2 includes provisions concerning the formalities of that contract, a couple\u2019s mutual obligations to each other, and the legal agreements that they make to support each other, uphold each other, and go into financial deals together. I see no problem with that. I see no reason for the people who are opposing this bill to oppose it, except to gain political capital and mileage. It has nothing to do with what is taught to children in schools. Nor will it destroy the fabric of the family. I think that that is absolutely ridiculous, and that the people who say that must have very weak marriages and very weak families. I think it is just a matter of homophobia and their own insecurity. I am absolutely appalled at some of the speeches I have heard here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a2f08d1bef174af8b657d85653503307\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: That is just absolutely outrageous.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022749a724d-1ef9-49cb-9ba2-2610403653ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002222f011eb851146f6960cf98254828863\u0022\u003EDIANNE YATES\u003C/span\u003E: It is not outrageous, and I am entitled to my view. If that former Minister does not agree with my right to speak in this Chamber, perhaps he should have changed the law when he was a Minister. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022749a724d-1ef9-49cb-9ba2-2610403653ea\u0022\u003EI call for tolerance and reasonableness on behalf of the people in this Parliament and the people of New Zealand. I think this is very good legislation about basic human rights. I do not think that many people will take this contract up anyhow, but it is a human right that people are entitled to go into this form of legal agreement. I have no objection to it, and I wish the bill a safe passage through this Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022 data-id=\u0022fa253b2dc0164a8c8344c16f1ddfcb9c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fa253b2dc0164a8c8344c16f1ddfcb9c\u0022\u003EDAIL JONES (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E What a dreadful speech! It was a short, appalling, and shocking speech. The member got up and started attacking members opposing this bill for having weak marriages. I have had only one marriage. I really do not know how many marriages that member may have had, but I have only had one. For the Labour Party to start bringing other members\u2019 marriages into this bill shows the depths to which it has sunk.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EThe Labour Party talks about tolerance. Well, what comes into law this week? Old soldiers will be tossed out of RSA bars this week because the Labour Government\u2019s legislation states they are not entitled to have a fag with their beer. Who is being intolerant there? Dianne Yates supported that legislation, and put it through the House in her name, did she not? That was the most intolerant legislation that I have seen in this House, which was put through by Dianne Yates, I think, yet she has the cheek to talk about tolerance and intolerance. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7f4ee9ecd4648d79eacdbd9b2ba2dfa\u0022\u003EStephen Franks\u003C/span\u003E: She knows best!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0500976e2ea4689b7c3a8591e4e6c2a\u0022\u003EDAIL JONES\u003C/span\u003E: Dianne Yates knows best. She supports prostitution\u2014she knows best. She tosses the diggers out of the RSA\u2014she knows best. She supports unnatural ways of life\u2014she knows best. What an intolerant speech that was, and now she cannot take it\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022749a724d-1ef9-49cb-9ba2-2610403653ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b59e455fc7f342a781c51d0c6b06e68e\u0022\u003EDianne Yates\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. I thought the member said that I had supported the Prostitution Reform Bill. In actual fact, I did not. That is a point of fact, rather than a point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d193d73990d41abbef0cfd971db44d9\u0022\u003EDAIL JONES\u003C/span\u003E: I apologise for that remark.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a49c95f7216744479c61854731e59618\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: It was not actually a point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022faf9d42f5d2246b58f069275e35e4c66\u0022\u003EDAIL JONES\u003C/span\u003E: Her party supported the prostitution legislation, but I wholeheartedly apologise to Dianne Yates. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022749a724d-1ef9-49cb-9ba2-2610403653ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c04669db878846e885dd166833d7daef\u0022\u003EDianne Yates\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. The Prostitution Reform Bill had a conscience vote. Once again, I think the member should get his facts straight.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002271b12085ea254295a826f3331b43a88c\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: Both of those points of order were not points of order. They are still debating points. [Interruption] I remind members that when I am on my feet there will be silence. There will be no comment on rulings on points of order. They were both debating points. Members say things quite often that are not strictly accurate, but they are still points that members can raise in debate and then debate them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022075eff2f-7904-4500-8339-3972160a627f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226a1a39da412346d7821206507d01f2f8\u0022\u003EJim Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. In the course of your well-considered explanation to the Chamber, I heard a comment from the other side\u2014\u201CFor goodness\u2019 sake!\u201D. I believe it was a reflection upon your statement and ought to be withdrawn immediately.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227119c872bb84471b8a2882a2fd9bac06\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: The member is right. I did give a general warning, but I will give it again. I ask the member who made a remark while I was on my feet speaking to withdraw that remark, because that is the correct thing to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022749a724d-1ef9-49cb-9ba2-2610403653ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229be37cd9f2514fc2aa7aa5733808ae94\u0022\u003EDianne Yates\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Chairperson, I withdraw.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002249d9f63c569c4763b88eb30754d6b6a7\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: I remind members that when there is a point of order they should stop immediately and allow the Chair to deal with the point of order and call the member first. That often does not happen, so I remind members of those courtesies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cef6802e635c464e8990dc8e5179b7aa\u0022\u003EDAIL JONES\u003C/span\u003E: As I was saying, the intolerant member for one of the Hamilton seats, Dianne Yates, who was responsible for tossing the diggers out of the RSAs, has the cheek to get up and speak about tolerance. Of course, what has been highlighted by Mr Barnett and Mrs Yates today is the fact that every piece of legislation will\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022749a724d-1ef9-49cb-9ba2-2610403653ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002226f9aec380be425c9160d57c3e493ba8\u0022\u003EDianne Yates\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. I point out to the member that my name in this place is not Mrs Yates.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8a5b713f96d4cdb8322c49ab6e3a5b1\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: That is correct. A member should be referred to by his or her correct name.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227c6f0dc5eddf43949c4e3131dd698df2\u0022\u003EDAIL JONES\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, I had not realised\u2014Dianne Yates. I do not mind being interrupted again. Both Dianne Yates and Tim Barnett have established today that every bill the Labour Government passes will lead to some subsequent legislation. The Government says that when this bill is passed, that is it; but, of course, we know now that that is not it. When the human rights legislation was passed, it was intended to have subsequent consequences. Clearly, the consequence of this legislation will be adoption legislation that gives homosexuals and lesbians the absolute right to adopt children so that the courts will not be able to disregard their status. There is always a consequence of what the Labour Government does, and that is the way we are heading with this legislation as clearly indicated to me by Dianne Yates and Tim Barnett.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EMr Jim Peters made the very good point that schools will now, of course, have to teach what is meant by \u201Ccivil union\u201D. Schoolchildren will have courses on it. That will be their human right, will it not? It will become part of the education syllabus. The Labour Party will say that Parliament passed the legislation and therefore, as a consequence, we must have courses in schools on civil union. I am sure Mr Tim Barnett agrees that it will be a natural consequence, just as any school\u2019s social issues classes talk about marriage and various other issues that are fully discussed in schools today. I am sure that schools today discuss homosexual and lesbian behaviour as part of the syllabus, and that they will follow on from that by discussing the rights of homosexuals and lesbians, as granted by this legislation of the Labour Government, to any form of natural marriage\u2014marriage in the natural sense between a man and a woman.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EThis legislation cannot remove that law of nature. Marriage can only be between a man and a woman. Trying to have a marriage between a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, is just grotesque nonsense.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EThat is the sort of thing we get from a party that supports prostitution legislation. That is what we expect from the Labour Party, and that is what we get. It is the sort of thing we get from a party that tosses diggers out of the RSA\u2014an intolerant party. It is the type of thing we get from a party that talks about human rights but really only wants to push the views of people who have supported its views from time to time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EThis bill, of course, is also meant to be a smokescreen to cover the mess the Labour Government is going to experience after the Supreme Court ruling in the Zaoui case. The Government is doing its very best to try to divert attention from what will happen in that case, but New Zealand First believes that the civil union matter should go to a referendum of all New Zealanders, and that New Zealanders should tell this Parliament what they want.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fd427be0-7196-4605-b39e-d665553240b0\u0022 data-id=\u0022676eaea55ae448ca99cb4d157347ca65\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fd427be0-7196-4605-b39e-d665553240b0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022676eaea55ae448ca99cb4d157347ca65\u0022\u003ELYNNE PILLAY (Labour\u2014Waitakere):\u003C/span\u003E In rising to speak in support of the Civil Union Bill, I would just like to make a comment about the previous speaker\u2019s views on how intolerant the Labour Party or anyone who supports the bill is. I put it to this Chamber that his diatribe of attacks on anything less than what he perceives to be the norm, his intolerance of anything that is not part of the Dail Jones view of how the world should be, is absolute intolerance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207e9bcac31644aef9389034df477c1b3\u0022\u003EDail Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Let\u2019s have a referendum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fd427be0-7196-4605-b39e-d665553240b0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022049b9d57a5a24b8f9d86d86231cfa212\u0022\u003ELYNNE PILLAY\u003C/span\u003E: I do not believe that a referendum is appropriate. This is a conscience issue, and we have cast our votes accordingly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fd427be0-7196-4605-b39e-d665553240b0\u0022\u003EI would like to pay respect to people. For me, my vote was not a difficult decision\u2014I actually feel really strongly that this legislation is about justice and equality\u2014but for many members the issue has been difficult. I would like to pay respect to Ashraf Choudhary, who I know spent not just many hours but days and weeks thinking about this issue. In the end, he decided to support the bill, because it is about justice and equality. That is something that I feel is an integral part of our society. This legislation is simply about the ability of couples in loving relationships to formalise those relationships, whether they be gay or heterosexual. It is also about their extended families and about their children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fd427be0-7196-4605-b39e-d665553240b0\u0022\u003EWe are a great nation with great communities. Generally speaking, we are a tolerant and inclusive society. But, as the previous speaker has shown, opponents of this legislation are not looking at it from an inclusive point of view; they are saying that people who do not fit the norm\u2014who are not like them\u2014are somehow less than whole. I have heard previous speakers say that the best family situation for kids is to have a mum and dad, and that any family that does not fit that mould is therefore just not up to scratch. My perspective is that I was for some time a single parent. I had been married, and I believe that it was in the best interests of me, my ex-husband, and my children that we did not remain married. Also, my children are of Indian and P\u0101keh\u0101 descent. Life was a lot different a couple of decades ago\u2014they are now 26 and 23\u2014and from time to time, as they grew up, racist comments were made to them. They would come home genuinely upset about things that had been said to them. To a parent, there is nothing more hurtful than having one\u2019s children hurt by something that one knows is unfair and repugnant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fd427be0-7196-4605-b39e-d665553240b0\u0022\u003EOpponents of this bill who say that people in same-sex relationships should not have their relationships formalised, and that their children are in some way disadvantaged or less whole than children whose parents are married, are actually doing exactly the same thing to those children\u2014they are passing a judgment that those children are somehow not as good, or that their family backgrounds are not as good.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fd427be0-7196-4605-b39e-d665553240b0\u0022\u003EObviously, my children have grown up. I am not a grandparent yet, as many members are, but I do have many friends with young children. Many of those friends are heterosexual, and some of them are gay parents. My two particular sets of friends who are gay parents are wonderful parents. They are absolutely fantastic parents. They have great kids who are high-achieving and wonderful children to know, and who are very dear to me. So it really grieves me to hear members criticise such families.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022 data-id=\u002261a38643742d457a9ef18753f8cbf795\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002261a38643742d457a9ef18753f8cbf795\u0022\u003ELARRY BALDOCK (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E I would like to make some comments this morning with regard to some of the speeches that were made last night when members were dealing with Part 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EThere was a speech from Mark Peck in which he preached his doctrine and religion of tolerance, and it all sounded really wonderful. He said that no one should ever judge anybody else and that we should all be tolerant of everybody, but he made it very clear, even during his own speech, that he was less than tolerant of those of us on the other side of the Chamber, or wherever we may be, who have any view apart from his own. That is the fallacy of that particular doctrine that is preached; it is all about: \u201CWe are tolerant of everything, as long as you agree with us.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EWe do not live in that kind of world. This is not a world where there are no rights and no wrongs, although many people try to proclaim that there is no absolute right and no absolute wrong, and that everybody should accept everything. The people who preach that decide very quickly that something is wrong if someone steals their car, breaks into their home, or affects their person in some way. Then, suddenly, they have standards that they consider are right, and there are actions that they consider are wrong. So although that doctrine sounds wonderful, it is a lot of poppycock and codswallop to say that we should all be tolerant of everybody and should not have any standards. New Zealand society has a right to be able to determine that some things are right and some things are wrong. That is why some of us believe that this issue should go to a referendum\u2014so that New Zealanders can say whether they believe that it is now right for people of the same sex to be able to have marriage in the same way as heterosexual couples have it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EAnother speech last night was from the Hon David Cunliffe, who gave great respect to the Church and its opinions in society, but then said that the Church should keep its opinions out of government and that it had no place here. But he seemed to miss the point that, instead, this Government was stepping into that role and making declarations in this nation. I have to ask what right the Government has to do that. What right has the Government to tell the Church that it should keep its opinions to itself, then to step in and begin to make declarations\u2014as it is doing through this legislation\u2014about what is right and wrong in our society, without reference to the opinions of those in the land who do have strong beliefs?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EThe real high point of the speeches yesterday, though, was that from Tim Barnett. He got up and said that he was in a dilemma in that he, obviously, could marry, but if he married a woman, it would not work out very well. He has a same-sex partner, but he is unable to marry that person. He said very clearly that he has been living in sin for a number of months because he has been unable to marry his partner. That is an amazing statement. I appreciate the man\u2019s honesty, but why does he feel that he is living in sin? Why does he feel that he now needs the Government to pass a law, this civil union legislation, so that he can marry and not have that feeling of living in sin any more, when in actual fact the whole basis of this argument is supposed to be that there is not any such thing as sin, that one can do whatever one likes, and that everybody should be tolerant of one\u2019s behaviour?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EThat is really the crux of this legislation. It is about giving those living in relationships that they feel are wrong the endorsement of society. They want the acceptance of society, and, through this legislation, they are trying to demand that anyone in New Zealand who has any other opinion must conform and give acceptance to their relationships. Well, I say to Mr Barnett that I am sorry but it is not possible to legislate for that. This Government, even if it passes this law, cannot force me to give him acceptance of his relationship. I can honour him as a human being and give him human rights, but I cannot be forced by this Government to endorse his particular lifestyle and his choice of relationship. It is absurd that while one speaker on that side of this argument is saying that the Government should keep the Church out of its decision, this bill is turning the Government into the Church of the land in that it is beginning to provide absolution for all of those in New Zealand who are living in relationships that they do not feel are accepted by society. In Mr Tim Barnett\u2019s own words, he feels he is living in sin, and he wants the Government to give him absolution so that he will not feel that way any longer. He will be able to have a ceremony and receive a piece of paper from the Government, and then he can feel OK about the way he lives.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EWe are not seeming to hear any more in this debate about all the arguments about next-of-kin agreements, and it is rather strange that all of that has stopped. When the bill was first introduced, people said it was all about the fact that many people were being denied their right to visit their partner in hospital.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022 data-id=\u0022c3ad4d4c6c194b23b0ad2d78a6154d97\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c3ad4d4c6c194b23b0ad2d78a6154d97\u0022\u003EHon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Deputy Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chairperson, for the opportunity to take a brief call. I want to cover just two issues, really.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003EThe first issue is what I think lies at the heart of this bill, the companion legislation, and the homosexual law reform legislation of the mid-1980s. What that is, quite simply, is allowing people to be who they are, to be comfortable with who they are, and to live a normal life as who they are. In my life I have known too many people\u2014and I know one or two still\u2014who are gay but for some peculiar reason seem unable to express that publicly, are unable to live their lives honestly within a public arena, and are intensely miserable and unhappy people. It is quite obvious from simply watching them that they are intensely miserable and unhappy people. I am not sure why we should think that is a good thing, or why we should decide to make people, in effect, through the way we act\u2014through law and through norms\u2014live a life such that they cannot be themselves and cannot be who and what they actually are.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003EThat is particularly the case when what they are and who they are does not actually affect the rest of us. The fact that somebody is gay, that somebody has a relationship with a person of the same sex, does not affect me at all. It does not affect my relationship with my wife, and it does not affect the nature, in my view, of the society around me. I just want to engage in that peculiar argument, which I think we have heard hinted at once or twice, that gay people should somehow force themselves to be heterosexual, live in extraordinarily unhappy relationships, and rear children within those extraordinarily unhappy relationships. I cannot understand why anybody would think it is a good idea to try to force people to live in unhappy relationships and to raise children within them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003EI turn to the issue of marriage. I have heard quite a bit of the debate, and there is still enormous confusion\u2014as I think is quite common in New Zealand\u2014between secular law and ecclesiastical law. Nothing in this bill affects the position of a Church, any Churches, in relation to their view of what is ecclesiastical law and the nature of marriage within the Church itself. It is worth reminding ourselves that, in terms of our English law tradition, there was no secular law of marriage until 1754. Marriage was a purely ecclesiastical affair up to that point, and it was regulated in part, one suspects, to try to force people to marry within the Church of England, because after 1754 one could marry outside the Church of England only if one was a Quaker. Nobody else could get married unless he or she got married within the Church of England, and that state remained until 1836, when Protestant dissenters achieved the passage of the Civil Marriages Act, and it became possible to marry outside the Church of England. That probably really created modern secular marriage as an institution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003EWhat the Civil Union Bill does not do is extend secular marriage to gay people; it provides for civil union, for recognition of relationships. People argue that that is perhaps playing with words. In my view, that is not the essential point. The essential point is the State chooses to recognise or regulate relationships for the purposes of the interest of the State as a whole, and that may be quite different. It is as if we were trying to impose upon the Catholic Church the abolition of clerical celibacy. I find clerical celibacy a very strange idea. I find it an even stranger idea that celibate men who wear long dresses tell us about sexuality. I find that a very odd idea indeed, but that is the nature of that Church. It is a tradition that it has held\u2014not for 2,000 years, because clerical celibacy arose much later in the history of the Roman Catholic Church than that\u2014for at least something over 1,000 years. Since then that has been the norm of practice within the Church, and I deeply respect it. The Church stands by that position, and its priests are married to the Church, if one likes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003EThat is not something the State should interfere with at all, in my view, but, in the same way, the Church should not interfere with the State\u2019s definition of what relationships are and which relationships should be recognised. To me, the fact that my friend Tim Barnett is able to have recognition, through the State\u2019s mechanism, of the nature of himself and his relationship does not affect the Church\u2019s position at all. The Church may continue to preach that hellfire and damnation will follow from that, but that is its choice. I do not believe in hellfire and damnation at all, because I do not believe in the afterlife or, indeed, all that goes with that, so I do not think that anyone is at risk of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022 data-id=\u0022e175003351eb416282c291f5412bc92f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e175003351eb416282c291f5412bc92f\u0022\u003ESANDRA GOUDIE (National\u2014Coromandel):\u003C/span\u003E In speaking to Part 2, I note clause 12, \u201CIssue of licence and forms where solemnisation by civil union celebrant or exempt body\u201D, and I recall that about a fortnight ago two women were married, joined, or united in a ceremony in my electorate. So I have to ask why we need this bill, as that couple has already done that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003EThere is nothing like a conscience vote to set the debate, exercise the mind, and make one stop and consider the rationale for whatever position one decides to take. On the lowering of the drinking age and on the Prostitution Reform Bill, I had no difficulty at all in having a pretty clear rationale for opposing those two bills or proposals, but it is not quite so easy in respect of the Civil Union Bill. For me, it is about setting parameters and about a way of living that has proven to be the optimum, not just for children but also for families and, thus, society as a whole. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003EWe all need boundaries and rules. We can set some of those boundaries for ourselves, but some of them are also set through the parameters we set in this Chamber. That is, of course, what we are doing here today. The discussion on this bill is based on members of a small sector of society wanting something that they consider is important to them. Many sectors of society have aspects that they consider are important to them, and they lobby for those issues, but that does not necessarily mean they will be successful. After all, we are meant to be in Parliament to govern for the good of New Zealand as a whole, and to make decisions for the greater good and in the best interests of all New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003EIn this case, members of the homosexual and lesbian community want a law for themselves. They want to be able to have a ceremony where they can have a licence and form issued by a civil union celebrant or some such. However, in arguing for the case, someone who happened to be homosexual said to me: \u201CLet\u2019s be honest about it.\u201D Well, if we are going to be honest about it, why are we not calling it the \u201CHomosexual and Lesbian Civil Union Bill\u201D? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003EHowever, there is not necessarily a lot of honesty around. This Government does not support a referendum on the matter, because it knows that it would lose it. So I think there is not much honesty in that regard. I think a referendum is absolutely necessary. After all, I believe that the majority of New Zealanders want a benchmark for their children, something that they can aim for. It is about saying that there is an optimum\u2014the best for themselves, for families, and for society as a whole. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003EI have not been able to see any reason why legislation is necessary to give same-sex couples a feeling of self-worth so that they can feel happy and feel good, not bad\u2014as just reported by Dr Cullen\u2014when those people can already create any sort of contract to suit themselves, and be \u201Cjoined\u201D, for want of a better word, in a ceremony, even a ceremony conducted in a church. It is my understanding that any other concerns can be addressed through various legal mechanisms. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003EIf one supports this bill on the basis of human rights and loving relationships, then why would one not support polygamy? After all, is that not a human right? Is that not a set of loving relationships\u2014a man with multiple wives, or a wife with multiple husbands? At what point does one set a parameter by which society has a level of standards that we can all aspire to? I think that is what we are seeing in Parliament. People are saying that they want a set of parameters. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003EI was listening to Larry Baldock speak earlier, and I was very impressed by some of the comments he made, and he acknowledged the respect he has for individuals. But he also said that the issue was about setting standards for society, and I fully believe that. We need to have a benchmark. We need to have a set of parameters by which society will function as a whole and in the best interests of the whole of society. That is what Parliament\u2019s job is supposed to be\u2014to make law in the interests of society as a whole; not necessarily to make law that addresses just some of the needs of a small section of society. We have not even gone into the whole AIDS issue, but somebody may have. That is about the whole point of setting parameters, and about governing in the interests of New Zealanders as a whole. Is the Government doing that here? I do not believe that it is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003EI want to see my children have a set of benchmarks and standards that they can aim for. It may not necessarily mean that they will get there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022 data-id=\u00221f74ef78912d4d92b7472e935457f6e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221f74ef78912d4d92b7472e935457f6e7\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I am not sure whether the member who has just resumed her seat realises that homosexuality was actually decriminalised nearly 20 years ago. We had this thin end of the wedge argument at the Justice and Electoral Committee, and there is a big difference between practices that currently are illegal under New Zealand law and practices that currently are not. The reality is that homosexual couples live in legal consensual relationships. People who have a relationship with their horse, or relationships with children, are not in legal consensual relationships\u2014by legal, I mean they are not breaking the law. But their relationships are not able to be legally recognised as having some standing. If that member had sat on the select committee and heard some of the stories that couples were telling about what had happened to them because their relationship had no standing, she might have thought a bit differently. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EThis idea that Government should set the moral standards for families and children is interesting, because I think that that was the job of my parents. My parents did a very good job of instilling in me the values, the parameters, and the boundaries\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c9843af8548e42d1839b6cc1c730b23d\u0022\u003EPhil Heatley\u003C/span\u003E: That was a bad job!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022773728f4c04d4dfa9070640ac5adb931\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: I thank Phil Heatley for that comment. I will report that to my mother; she will be very pleased to hear that you thought she did a bad job.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022651054e79bcc470db4bc366eeccfc83e\u0022\u003EStephen Franks\u003C/span\u003E: Do not report my congratulations; she did a terrible job!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c7284f8fc384f35bf8e1c7fbc9bb116\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: I will tell her that, too. It is always nice to hear from Mr Franks. But it was my parents\u2019 role to set those moral standards; it was not the State\u2019s role. When I was growing up my parents were quite adamant. They told me that homosexuality was not abnormal, even though it was illegal under the law. We had many gay friends around when I was growing up, and I have to say that at no point was I ever confused by their presence, even though I was young. At no point did I ever think: \u201COh, goodness me, look, there\u2019s someone who\u2019s attracted to someone of the same sex. Maybe I am gay.\u201D No, that is absolutely ridiculous. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI think it is stupid to stand here today and say that the State should be implementing morality for families, when we know pure well that, for example, many United Future families come from a religious background. They pass that on to their children. They are good parents, and I have absolutely no problem with that, even though I may not agree with some of the viewpoints that they pass on. I would not stand in this Chamber and say that we should pass a law saying that maybe we should take churches out of human rights legislation and say that they are no longer allowed to discriminate against women, and, for example, not allow women to hold office within a church. This is the role of communities, the role of parents, and the role of families. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI have heard some people say that now we will have to teach people that civil unions are good, and that marriage is not the only thing available. I do not think I ever recall being taught anything at a State school about marriage, apart from being told in Bible studies that marriage was the cornerstone of the Christian church. That is fine. But otherwise I do not recall that. There were kids in my class who came from single-parent families and from de facto families. Not all the kids who I went to school with came from homes with two married parents. I do not ever remember anyone saying that those kids\u2019 families were bad, or good, and I do not think that, beyond this, we will be saying to people that marriage is not right, and that civil unions are right. Quite frankly I think it is just scaremongering. It is trying to make people feel, all of a sudden, that we will be going out there and, as Mr Connell puts it, recruiting homosexuals. I would like to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b548efb6cd874137a9a83f1761e7155d\u0022\u003EBrian Connell\u003C/span\u003E: I did not say that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221fe5d0f30fe84eba8686dd431bfa5038\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Connell laughs now. He says that he did not say that the Civil Union Bill is a recruitment drive for homosexuals.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b0a0e93823e64bdfba1b01b091ef4969\u0022\u003EBrian Connell\u003C/span\u003E: I said that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226602eaba2e8140bebb08f9ce59724196\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: That is right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225616f2f62ee24c5c8834842e62e5cfa3\u0022\u003EBrian Connell\u003C/span\u003E: I did not say you were.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2843b89aea34ad3a068d358bc71165d\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: That is interesting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002293bbd38308bc41c181029a0c1ccf47fe\u0022\u003EBrian Connell\u003C/span\u003E: I said you guys were.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e60ac21729d44a6284954e37a987e60c\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, we were recruiting homosexuals? Well, yes, that is quite right!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022854fccef766d43d2aadfa6bb85251db6\u0022\u003EStephen Franks\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a free qualification isn\u2019t it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c67238159a784a4ab947210004e6c3bb\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: To be in the Labour Party?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213b912cc506f43f1b42d12e7e34f19d9\u0022\u003EStephen Franks\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t think you\u2019ll get promoted any higher.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022da5eaea7299b41a394bef22a4e9a76b8\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha! Well, coming back to the bill, one of the things I wanted to touch on was the changing form of relationship in the bill, and people saying they did not understand why it is here. There was a lot of discussion at the select committee as to whether we should have it. The officials raised with us the instance of a couple who are in a civil union and are moving overseas. They want continuity of their relationship, and we should not be telling them that they have to separate and live apart for 2 years in order to be able to then marry and go overseas, and have their relationship continue to be recognised overseas. There was a lot of discussion at the select committee about whether this should actually be part of the bill, whether it was needed, or whether it would just raise the ire of people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EWe felt that telling people who might have a legitimate reason for needing to transfer from a civil union to a marriage\u2014because they are going to a country that does not recognise civil unions\u2014to break up their family and live apart for 2 years, just so they can get married at a later stage, was slightly ridiculous and redundant. In reality, people who have a civil union will stay in a civil union. People who get married will stay married. As we have now, the majority of people marry, and the majority of people will continue to marry, and I doubt that this bill will make a lot of difference to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022 data-id=\u002224a115361a9349318344809a527e95ac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002224a115361a9349318344809a527e95ac\u0022\u003EGORDON COPELAND (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E Yesterday I spoke about this bill in the context of marriage, and today I shall speak on Part 2 and the fact that same-sex people also may enter into civil unions under this legislation. I made submissions to the Statutes Revision Committee that considered the Homosexual Law Reform Bill in 1986. I favoured the decriminalisation of homosexual acts. I considered it to be completely wrong that people who engage in homosexual activities should be imprisoned, when people who committed adultery, for example, were not imprisoned. I thought that that was fundamentally unfair. However, I asked the select committee whether it could include in the bill a clause to the effect that the passage of the legislation did not, in and of itself, signal that homosexual activity was moral. I was told in no uncertain terms that such a clause could not be put in a bill before Parliament, and that it was only about law. However, that is exactly what we did last year, with the prostitution legislation. A clause was put in to state that, although the status of prostitution was being changed in this country, the State was not thereby saying that it, in and of itself, constitutes moral activity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EI think that that is at the absolute heart of the issue that is causing so much confusion in this Parliament, and we have just had another example from the previous speaker, Moana Mackey. Just because something is not criminal does not mean that it is thereby moral. They are two quite different things. I can think of a number of examples, and I have already given the example of adultery. Another example I could mention is lying. We all know that people lie every day. That does not make it moral. We know that people commit adultery. That does not make it moral. I give those two examples because they are immoral activities that are quite legal in this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EWhat we did hope would arise from the Homosexual Law Reform Act was that New Zealand would become a tolerant society towards the homosexual community. My position is that we should extend our tolerance to them. That tolerance includes the right that they already have at this time, to get married. There is no law of the land that prevents that, and indeed, a number of members in the Chamber may have already been to ceremonies where gay and lesbian couples have entered into a marriage, sometimes celebrated by a person who is a member of the clergy. All that is already happening. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003ETherefore, the principal concern I have with this bill, and the reason why I strongly oppose it, is that it is completely unnecessary for the State to take the next step in the process, and that is to try to declare that that activity is, of itself, moral. The State must be making that statement when it decides, by legislation, to give State sanction and State blessing to unions between two people of the same sex. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EI do not agree at all with Dr Michael Cullen that the State has the power to do that. In my opinion, morals do not come from the State. Morals supersede the State; they supersede culture. Moral realities exist, independent of the State, and the State should always take into account moral principles when passing laws. Some say, of course, that we cannot legislate for morality. That is interesting. We have laws in this country against stealing, murder, rape, and incest. They are all moral issues, and we have laws against them. It is true that every time we pass law in this House we are also addressing moral issues. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EAs Moana Mackey has said, many families in this country bring up their children with firm moral principles, and I want to see my children and grandchildren brought up in that way. The difficulty I have with this bill is that we are removing the signposts. We are saying that morals have now changed, and that children can be taught something at school that is different from what they are being taught at home. In fact, that is what will happen. We are not looking just at individual marriages. I found the whole discussion on that issue right off the point. We are looking at what is central to our culture, and how we are changing this culture for the generations to come.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f8b92f47-d078-4e6a-b4c6-136913bda55d\u0022 data-id=\u0022185c6a6652ac47a39eb8e002840f67ed\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f8b92f47-d078-4e6a-b4c6-136913bda55d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022185c6a6652ac47a39eb8e002840f67ed\u0022\u003ESUE BRADFORD (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Part 2, which we are discussing this morning, lies at the heart of the Civil Union Bill. Paul Adams talked about the sun rising over our nation with this legislation. However, I am afraid that our interpretations of what that particular rising sun might mean are very different, indeed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f8b92f47-d078-4e6a-b4c6-136913bda55d\u0022\u003EWhat I find phenomenal in this debate is that in the 21st century, in a country that prides itself on its tolerance and respect for human rights, this House has members like Mr Adams who hold the most strange 19th century attitudes towards members of the rainbow community. These members of Parliament seem to have no conception of the spectrum of sexuality that all of us are part of, like it or not, gay or straight, or anywhere in between. Such a black and white approach to both sexuality and life leads to the kind of black and white theologies and philosophies that are the most dangerous to anyone who deviates from the straight white male norm. We have only to look at history, and indeed that history goes way back before the 19th century\u2014it is a history of humankind\u2014and around the world even today to see some of the terrible things that happened in the name of those black and white theologies that condemn people like prostitutes and homosexuals. I am thinking of the burning of a gay young man in America and of the decapitation of prostitutes in Basra. That is still with us and that is what we are fighting against in this Parliament today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f8b92f47-d078-4e6a-b4c6-136913bda55d\u0022\u003EThank goodness I am part of a Parliament and of a country that is heading in another direction and under another kind of sun. Like my fellow Green MPs, I am honoured to be among the majority in this House who will be voting for this significant step forward in the long, long struggle for true respect and liberation for all people in this country, regardless of our gender or our sexuality. In fact, speaking personally, I would rather be voting on gay marriage here today. At least with the Civil Union Bill and its companion relationships bill, same-sex couples will, at last, have the chance to achieve the same sense of commitment in a loving relationship that straight people have been entitled to always. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f8b92f47-d078-4e6a-b4c6-136913bda55d\u0022\u003EJust speaking briefly about the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill, I would like to stress how critical it is that that bill is passed as soon as is practicable, otherwise the bill today will simply be a hollow gesture. I listened with interest to the comments made by Bill English on some of the problems associated with the interface between the relationships bill and the social security legislation\u2014an area with which I have some familiarity. I hope that some of us will be involved in the Government\u2019s ongoing attempts to sort out the vexed question of relationships \u201Cin the nature of marriage\u201D that this bill has brought up. That discussion is long overdue and I hope that the Government will work with us on that question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f8b92f47-d078-4e6a-b4c6-136913bda55d\u0022\u003ELike all other MPs supporting this bill, in the last few weeks and months I have been subject to a torrent of communication from the bill\u2019s opponents. While I respect the right of all people to their honest beliefs and their right to express them, I have to say that, on the whole, I simply do not understand their arguments, even with the best will in the world. One of their main arguments seems to be that civil union for same-sex couples will somehow undermine heterosexual marriage. I simply do not comprehend that. How will two gay men or two lesbian women entering a committed relationship in the eyes of the State threaten my, or anyone else\u2019s, marriage? How will any loving and committed relationship, gay or straight, be undermined by anyone else\u2019s loving and committed relationship? As many members have pointed out, marriage is threatened all the time by all sorts of things, but civil union is not one of them. In fact, I find it ironic and incomprehensible that so many married MPs seem to think that it will be a moral wrong for other citizens to have the right to take the same vows, or similar vows, as they have. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f8b92f47-d078-4e6a-b4c6-136913bda55d\u0022\u003EUnderpinning a lot of this debate are theological beliefs. As happened with the very liberal Biblical interpretation by some of the people in the prostitution reform debate, they seem to want to try to impose their ideology on what is now a secular society. I do not accept that New Zealand in this day and age is a religious society. Over a million of us are either not Christians, are a part of some other faith, are heathens, or are Christians who interpret the Bible in a very different way from some members in this Chamber. As anyone who has studied church or biblical history will be very well aware, every word of every single translation of the Bible has been argued over and over again all over the world and through two millennia. Like many others, I do not accept that the word of God is about condemning homosexuals as unrighteous, wicked, or evil.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022 data-id=\u00229f179e384f844322980fc9e341d19f0d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229f179e384f844322980fc9e341d19f0d\u0022\u003EDr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH (National\u2014Rodney):\u003C/span\u003E When speaking on Part 1 yesterday I shared with the Committee the dilemma of constituency members as they grapple with the fact that their constituents have a valid expectation that they will represent them in this House, and with their responsibility to vote in the interests of all New Zealanders, especially minorities. That is not easy. In speaking to Part 2, I want to continue to try to explain to members what I see as the fundamental problem with this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EAs I mentioned yesterday, a survey showed that my electorate is deeply divided over the issue, and following the vote on the Homosexual Law Reform Bill in 1986, I had to live with the fact that I knew in my heart that I had, in my view, voted wrongly on that legislation. So I wanted to support this bill, but my problem\u2014and Part 2 really emphasises it\u2014is that it is a real shame that something as important as this bill will not pass through the House with clear majority support. I believe that it would have been possible to draft legislation that supported same-sex couples\u2014and maybe heterosexual couples as well\u2014being able to enter into legally recognised partnerships that would have had the overwhelming support of this House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EI ask those who are promoting this legislation why they went about it this way. Why draw up a bill that so clearly parallels the Marriage Act? Why could it not have been possible to draw up legislation that spelt out the legal requirements, simply the fundamental process, that couples would have to go through to obtain a registration certificate that registered their relationship, then left them with the freedom\u2014and I would have thought this would be so important to so many people\u2014to celebrate that partnership or union in whatever way they wanted? Why, with this legislation that will probably be passed in 2004, are we bothering to put into law stuff that is totally unnecessary? There is stuff in this bill that is totally unnecessary to achieve the long-term legal commitment wanted by the people who want this legislation. That is what I ask those who are promoting the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EIt is not too late now to amend this legislation so that it gets the overwhelming support of Parliament. I believe that my constituency could clearly support this legislation if it were not seen to parallel the Marriage Act, and if it set out just the fundamental legal requirements for a civil partnership, to provide for a long-term legal commitment between same-sex couples, or whomever. I believe that my constituency would support that. But what troubles my constituents so much is that this legislation so clearly parallels the Marriage Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EI have not heard in this debate why that has been necessary. Why was it not possible, through wider discussion across the House, to work out legislation that could have had an overwhelming mandate from this Parliament? I think that would have been hugely desirable for New Zealand. I believe that it would have been possible to have law addressing this problem passed by a two-thirds or three-quarters majority of this House, and I think that would have been better. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EIt is not too late now. It is possible to make amendments to this legislation that I think could receive the overwhelming support of Parliament, because I know there are many members in Parliament who do not want to deprive same-sex couples of the right to be able to register their relationship and have it recognised. I think there are many people who feel quite deeply about that and who want to see it available to same-sex couples. The problem is that the way this legislation is drafted offends people, and that is unnecessary. Why do people who are promoting and supporting this legislation want civil union to look like marriage? I want to hear the answer to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221772e9f5-5379-4bfe-9d9b-eaffb4c61b02\u0022 data-id=\u0022daaf7f7a97584ec2b89d1e6aeb64e8d8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221772e9f5-5379-4bfe-9d9b-eaffb4c61b02\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022daaf7f7a97584ec2b89d1e6aeb64e8d8\u0022\u003EHon HARRY DUYNHOVEN (Minister for Transport Safety):\u003C/span\u003E This is a first for me, in that I do not think I have ever spoken in the House before on a conscience bill, even though I have voted on many of them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022749a724d-1ef9-49cb-9ba2-2610403653ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e815f506b3144d9dba06f0ee3a39e31c\u0022\u003EDianne Yates\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, you have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221772e9f5-5379-4bfe-9d9b-eaffb4c61b02\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002216fc8b5d435a499dad282d573c7177a3\u0022\u003EHon HARRY DUYNHOVEN\u003C/span\u003E: The member is quite right. I spoke in the debate on the prostitution legislation. The Civil Union Bill is a conscience bill, and I greatly respect views that are sincerely held, regardless of which side of the issue people are on and regardless of whether they agree or disagree with me. I am in this House as the elected member for New Plymouth because people expect me to exercise my vote according to what I believe, and, if they do not support me in that, then they can vote for a different person. There will be times when people disagree with the way I vote on issues, and there will be times when they agree with the way I vote. Sometimes I disagree with my colleagues\u2014it happens occasionally. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221772e9f5-5379-4bfe-9d9b-eaffb4c61b02\u0022\u003EI do not support a referendum on this issue. Even though some people who are against this bill, as I am, want a referendum as a next step in trying to get another bite at the issue, as it were, I do not support that. The reason is that if we as members of Parliament have to poll our electorates to find out what our conscience and our beliefs should be, then we should seriously consider whether we should be in Parliament. We as MPs are elected by the people to make decisions on their behalf, and if members have to poll their electorates to find out whether 50.1 percent of people view an issue one way and 49.9 percent another way, and therefore they should go with the 50.1 percent, then they should not be here, because they do not have the ability to make a conscience vote. They should walk out of the door and leave it to those who can make a conscious decision on a conscience matter. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221772e9f5-5379-4bfe-9d9b-eaffb4c61b02\u0022\u003ESome members who support the bill have told the Committee that those who have struggled to make a decision and who, after weighing up all the issues, have decided to vote for the bill, have real courage. There are some for whom no doubt that is the case. For others of us it actually takes a bit of courage to weigh up the issues and then make a decision not to support the bill. But I respect both those who support it and those who have made a decision not to support it, provided they are honest and valid in their decision processes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221772e9f5-5379-4bfe-9d9b-eaffb4c61b02\u0022\u003EI have had to think hard about this bill because of one experience I have had. It happened some years ago to a friend of mine who is gay and was living with a partner. They had a home together and had lived together for some years. They had cars, a dog, and all the things a family would have, except that they were a gay couple. The partner of my friend died, and the difficulty for the survivor was that at the funeral he was made to feel an outcast. He was not allowed to make decisions, because the family of the dead partner made them. I have struggled in respect of this bill only for that reason. The Relationships (Statutory References) Bill fixes those issues. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221772e9f5-5379-4bfe-9d9b-eaffb4c61b02\u0022\u003ELike Gordon Copeland, I support and argue that the Homosexual Law Reform Act did the right thing in decriminalising homosexuality so that homosexuals were no longer treated as criminals. But this takes it a step further and normalises relationships that are not the norm for the public. In my view, people can already have a contract: they can stand up in front of their family and friends and say: \u201CWe are devoted to each other.\u201D They can formally have a ceremony in front of their friends, even though they are a same-sex couple\u2014if they are. They can make contractual arrangements, through the law, on property and all sorts of other issues. In respect of this type of legislation, we should learn from the experience of others. The Dutch Government took this step some years ago when it introduced a similar law. But it got itself into all sorts of difficulty over things like superannuation entitlements, etc. This bill is not a step that I support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022 data-id=\u002277b01d2dd81f4f44bd882359db0ec39d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002277b01d2dd81f4f44bd882359db0ec39d\u0022\u003EBRIAN CONNELL (National\u2014Rakaia):\u003C/span\u003E I would like to pick up on the comments made by the Hon Harry Duynhoven. I was looking forward to his contribution, and I am looking forward to hearing Mr Tamihere, Mr Samuels, and Mr O\u2019Connor. I know they are the real blokes in the Government who are prepared to stand and argue against this legislation, because they simply do not believe in it. As Mr Duynhoven said, it takes some courage to weigh up the facts and come to a decision that is going against the tide. I thought it might be useful to remind Mr Barnett\u2014who came to the Chamber yesterday and had great glee in getting out the Ashburton Guardian and quoting the editorials. I thought I would return the favour. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003EI was in Timaru last evening and I picked up the Timaru Herald. I have here this morning\u2019s edition, and of the first four letters to the editor not one of them supports this bill\u2014not one. This one is noteworthy and quite short: \u201CThe Government says the Civil Union Bill has nothing to do with sexuality. To me it is a pity that the parents of Aoraki Labour MP Jim Sutton, David Benson-Pope, and other bill supporters did not choose a same-sex marriage.\u201D I very much happen to concur with that sentiment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003EThe previous speaker, Mr Duynhoven, was arguing that we do not need a referendum to determine these sorts of issues, because as elected members of Parliament we should be able to come here and make these calls ourselves. I accept the general thrust of what he is saying, except that, when we are facing an issue where there has been so much misinformation, deliberately fed into the public consciousness, people are not making a decision based on the facts. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc82cea8-c84d-4ab7-8597-31916dbedc43\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c4fd42589ab4411b220a54a92fcf585\u0022\u003EEdwin Perry\u003C/span\u003E: They\u2019re being fooled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220fe55888fbd64db19abfc2552ad3ec85\u0022\u003EBRIAN CONNELL\u003C/span\u003E: They are. The only way this issue can be resolved is to put the facts in the public domain so that people in this country can make an informed decision. The Government will not have a bar of that\u2014for one simple reason. When all the smoke clears, the fact around this bill is that it is about homosexual marriage. But the overwhelming view of the people of New Zealand is that they do not want a bar of that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003EMr Barnett took great glee yesterday in standing here and quoting all sorts of poll statistics, but what he did not say was that the public has not had the question put to them: \u201CDo you want, or would you support, gay marriage?\u201D. Because when that question has been asked of people, they have resoundingly rejected the notion in overwhelming numbers. The Timaru Herald is just a sample of what people are saying, all over the country. The Press this morning has letters to the editor on the same tack. The same applies to the New Zealand Herald, and the Dominion Post but those members refuse to acknowledge that fact. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003EMr Hughes took a call yesterday and argued for everything\u2014but in name\u2014for gay marriage. He just did not quite have the courage of his convictions\u2014or was just not able to articulate or admit that what he was actually saying was that this bill is about gay marriage. He said that he wanted people\u2019s loving relationships recognised in a formal sense. I say to Mr Hughes that that is what marriage does. I would have thought that you would\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022008f26e1e7e74625bde6e5e27d1b588c\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Do not bring the Chair into the debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d07a6feb728d422681db6e9c24f195e7\u0022\u003EBRIAN CONNELL\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry. I would have thought that that member would have had the courage of his convictions\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285b69054b071400f9844b132d7e9dd48\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: No, the member will be seated. The member knows, because he has been here long enough, that he cannot imply, it is a personal reflection, that someone lacks courage. The member will withdraw.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226356a66f2e8e43debda30dade6b4510b\u0022\u003ESimon Power\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I certainly do not wish to dispute your ruling in respect of the reference to \u201Ccourage\u201D, and I am sure my colleague will do the right thing in that respect, but I did notice that you were particularly quick to jump on Mr Connell when he brought you into the debate. I have been down here now since about 10 to 10 this morning, and note that a number of members who have been speaking in quite an impassioned way about this legislation have from time to time slipped into bringing the Chair into the debate, and I just ask that, for the sake of consistency, you measure that when others are making their contributions following Mr Connell\u2019s.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0ec762cf4ca4cdc8bf96429b1515c54\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the honourable member for his contribution, and refer him to Speaker\u2019s ruling 70/4. I call Mr Connell and remind him to withdraw the comment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e86dfbaefece4b779b0e16a34fb224a0\u0022\u003EBRIAN CONNELL\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw. Mr Nandor Tanczos when speaking yesterday argued against binding referenda, as well. I thought it was highly ironic, because the only reason that the member is here is by virtue of a binding referendum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022 data-id=\u002280567527500f4cadb4f50834cd8dd64a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002280567527500f4cadb4f50834cd8dd64a\u0022\u003ESUE KEDGLEY (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I think one of the unintended and unfortunate consequences of this bill, and the opposition to it generated by certain churches\u2014by no means all\u2014is that it has legitimised the expression of the most unchristian-like intolerance, prejudice, and even bigotry against homosexuals in our community; and thousands of New Zealanders now seem to feel that it is acceptable to make judgmental, derogatory, and, in my view, bigoted comments in public about homosexuals. I am certain that many gays and lesbians must have been deeply hurt, deeply distressed, and, indeed, even traumatised by some of the intolerant remarks that have been made over the past few weeks. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003EIn a letter in the Dominion Post yesterday, a 23-year-old person, a homosexual, said: \u201CIf you told a heterosexual person that they were disgusting and should refrain from falling in love or acting upon their love because it wasn\u2019t \u2018normal\u2019, they would feel judged and attacked, not only in their sexuality but in everything that they are as a person.\u201D That sums up how people in the community are feeling, as a result of the unleashing and legitimising of this sort of intolerance in our society. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003EWe need to remember that homosexuals are a minority that has suffered huge discrimination and persecution throughout history. We have all heard about how the Jewish people were persecuted in Nazi Germany, but how many of us have heard about the persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany? About 10,000 homosexuals were imprisoned in concentration camps in Nazi Germany, and many of them died. We have all heard about the Jewish people who were forced to wear the yellow Star of David, but how many of us know that anyone who was identified as a homosexual in Nazi Germany was forced to wear a pink triangle identifying him or her as homosexual? That badge singled out those people for persecution, for the gas chambers, and even for death. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003ESo we have a duty in this House, as legislators, to protect this discriminated against minority\u2014and any other minority\u2014to ensure they are not subject to further discrimination and abuse. I am proud of members like Katherine Rich, Heather Roy, Clem Simich, etc., who have not bowed to what must be very considerable pressure upon them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003E Our job as legislators here today is to sort out the truth from the fiction, the wheat from the chaff, and the emotional from the rational. We need to ask ourselves whether there is a rational basis for the claims of the Opposition that this bill will undermine marriage, undermine social and moral standards, institutionalise immorality\u2014as one letter I have just received has stated\u2014and that it is a slippery slope that will lead to social decay in our society. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003EFortunately, we are in a position to make this judgment, because we can look at countries that already have legislation that is similar to this. Countries such as Denmark, Norway, and Sweden have had civil union legislation or its equivalent for 20 years in the case of Sweden and 15 in the case of Denmark. If the claims of our opponents are rationally based rather than just emotional scaremongering and intolerance, we would inevitably see in Denmark and in Sweden a steep decline in marriage rates or a slow or swift decline in moral and social standards, and immorality and social decay. We would have to see that if their claims are right. We would expect to find in Denmark\u2014which has a population of 4 million; a similar size to New Zealand\u2014that Shakespeare was right and that there was something rotten in the State of Denmark ever since it passed the 1989 civil union, or its equivalent, bill. So I asked the library to look up Denmark\u2019s marriage rates, and I found that they have remained stable, in fact they have slightly increased, since the passage of the bill there. In 1990, a year after the bill came in, the rate was 6.1. Now it is 6.8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022 data-id=\u002236884fc71543407aae7bdbe95b0b7db4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002236884fc71543407aae7bdbe95b0b7db4\u0022\u003EPAUL ADAMS (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E I would like to pick up on one comment that Moana Mackey made, which I think is a very relevant comment. She confirmed that once the Homosexual Law Reform Bill was passed, this would be just another step. I think there is a lot of relevance in that\u2014that this step is just another step.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003EEven in the debate in this House, I have heard much about the intolerance of those who have a Christian belief or even a religious belief. Just last weekend I was speaking to a pastor from Canada. In Canada they do have same-sex marriages, and the same intolerance I am hearing to my viewpoint\u2014which I believe is a viewpoint held by a large number of New Zealanders whether or not they have a religious belief\u2014that marriage needs to be built and kept for what it is in this country. That Minister told me that gay and lesbian communities now target churches and come to them asking to be married. When churches refuse to marry them, they then go to the Government and request that the churches\u2019 licence to marry people is removed from them. So let me assure members that if this becomes normalised, we are another step further to hate speech. I have heard many say that the Church is free to preach from the word of God, but I dispute that. I believe that the Church will not be able to do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003EThey tell me that a tree is known by the fruit it produces. If you give me an apple off an apple tree and you try to convince me that it is an orange\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c9e045eeeeb64cf398ef5cc9bbd983dd\u0022\u003ESimon Power\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I apologise to the member for interrupting him, but notwithstanding Speaker\u2019s ruling 70/4, the member on his feet has now twice brought you into the debate. You were very quick to jump on Mr Connell when he did it once. So far that has not been the case with members before and following Mr Connell\u2019s speech. I apologise to the member on his feet for interrupting him but I ask for some consistent ruling from the Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223af063b285ca4d5db2713f0d88fcdb48\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I appreciate that. I did not hear it, and had I done so I would have called the member to order. Can I just say to the member that it is inappropriate to bring the presiding officer into the debate. He must speak in a different form, and I would appreciate the member doing so in future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222da000c384074ceebd528f2ea5324847\u0022\u003EPAUL ADAMS\u003C/span\u003E: I apologise; I did not realise I had brought the Chair into the debate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003ESo members will never convince me that an apple tree is an orange tree, and I bring this point up because I have heard much about the fact that if this bill is passed it will make no difference to society. Let us think back on the laws we have changed. If the fruit from marriage is children, let us seriously think of what has happened to our society. As we have changed the law and the moral base in our nation, I ask whether the product of the womb is improving, or not. I would challenge that it is not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003EIt grieves me that last week I saw in this nation we had had three murders in one day. I think it is well-timed that we need to understand that the tree of marriage needs some fertiliser. It needs some watering. It does not need watering down, because our next generation comes only from the product of a man and a woman.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003EWe can talk about gay and lesbian couples bringing up their children, but let me assure us all here that each child has a father and a mother. I would encourage members of the Committee to read Gordon Copeland\u2019s speech; I think he covered many of these aspects in great detail.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224e6caa14-14ae-43f5-b9da-fe479511fe74\u0022\u003EIf we have a moral shift on a human right, it is always a progression. If, for example, we take a woman\u2019s right to choose on abortion, we can ask what that has led to. It has led now to the killing of 17,500 of the children in this nation per year\u2014one every 28 seconds. Members tried to pass legislation called the Death with Dignity Bill. So what are we trying to produce by legislation\u2014a perfect person or a perfect society? I do not think we are improving the outcomes of our society, and I believe one of the fundamental reasons is that we have failed to esteem the importance of the family.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022 data-id=\u002252e5e41fcada4fbbb519517437b5bb02\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002252e5e41fcada4fbbb519517437b5bb02\u0022\u003ENANDOR TANCZOS (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I want to begin by addressing a point that David Parker made yesterday, when he said that giving rights to minorities does not take anything away from the majority. I say that yes, that is true, unless those rights of the majority are dependent on the oppression of a minority. Ending slavery took something away from American slave owners, because it removed their supply of free labour provided by kidnapped African people. My concern is that much of the debate on this bill seems to be based on the assumption that giving rights to gay people will somehow disadvantage the majority of heterosexual people. What they are saying is that the State should privilege them in order to allow them to continue to feel superior, and that is not a justifiable use of the law. Gay people are becoming a scapegoat for some of the members of this Parliament and for people in our society. Marriage is not from the State; it does not come from the State. The State simply recognised at a point in history what already existed, and that is exactly what we are doing in this legislation. We are simply recognising a situation that already exists, which is that gay people can have long-term, committed relationships, and we are simply allowing the law to recognise that. Marriage exists because it fills a human need, and that is what this bill addresses. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022\u003ESome of this debate has been odious. Lynne Pillay talked about some of the comments made by Dail Jones, for example. During the second reading debate Mr Jones described himself as a bigot and a redneck. That is how he described himself, so we should not be surprised at the kinds of things that he said. He has become a caricature of what he is trying to represent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220140f764619d459fb9be01f7d3d33130\u0022\u003EPeter Brown\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I listened carefully to my colleague Dail Jones, in terms of how he described himself. In no way did he describe himself in the manner that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0346c68c65141c998c6a67aba3e733b\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: No, no. Can the member please be seated; I am on my feet. If there has been a misrepresentation, then that fact should be brought up at the end of a member\u2019s speech. I refer the member to Speaker\u2019s ruling 35/3.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022037fe960cc3646e49d8b0050a4448733\u0022\u003ENANDOR TANCZOS\u003C/span\u003E: I invite members of the public to check Hansard and see what he actually said. Some people\u2014for example, Mr Eckhoff\u2014say that they oppose the legislation because children\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022199277a3e91f4bd8b81c754c741c4fc0\u0022\u003ERon Mark\u003C/span\u003E: He said: \u201CSome people might say\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288471dcbf541468f9ea8d0c89d3a2f13\u0022\u003ENANDOR TANCZOS\u003C/span\u003E: I do not think that is what he said, but we can check that in Hansard. Mr Eckhoff says he opposes the bill because children may be teased in school if they have gay parents. Some of the comments of some of the members of this Parliament have been at least as childishly callous and casually cruel as any schoolyard comment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022\u003ESome members have said they oppose civil union because mums and dads make the best families\u2014that children need to grow up with a mother and a father. That may or may not be the case. I think that what is important is that there is love in the family. I would rather see a child grow up with two loving homosexual parents than grow up with heterosexual parents who fight and abuse each other and the children. So it is the love that is important. But we can also say that children will grow up better if they live in a family with a decent income\u2014that is a true comment. So what do we do with low-income families? Do we forbid them to get married? No. We look at how we can support low-income families to raise their children. That is what this bill is about. Gay families already exist. There are already families in this country in which children are growing up with gay parents. This bill will allow those families some protection in the law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022\u003EMarriage is not a competition. The Hon Nick Smith likened marriage to the All Blacks. He said that if we allowed just anyone to become a member of the All Blacks, that would devalue our national rugby team. No, the All Blacks are merely the best rugby players in the country. Rugby is strengthened by the number of people who participate in it. In fact, the more people there are who play club rugby, the stronger the All Blacks will be. So that member put forward a totally fallacious analogy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022 data-id=\u0022495934043310489984480bad155bea58\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022495934043310489984480bad155bea58\u0022\u003EPETER BROWN (Deputy Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I would like to make two points. First of all, I have just checked with my colleague as to whether he ever described himself as a bigot. He did not. Over the telephone he told me how he described himself, which was basically as a \u201Credneck conservative\u201D. There is a total difference in meaning between the words \u201Cbigot\u201D and \u201Credneck conservative\u201D. I take offence that the member used that term and has been allowed to get away with it. My second point is that if we allow members to carry on for a 5-minute speech when offence is taken in the course of it, and then stand and take the point of order at the end, we are allowing them carte blanche to say anything. That is not acceptable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022 data-id=\u0022a35ae95b892a48aca13cf076408ac6fa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a35ae95b892a48aca13cf076408ac6fa\u0022\u003ENANDOR TANCZOS (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I apologise. I genuinely thought that that was what the member had said. Mr Brown pointed out that the member described himself as a redneck but not as a bigot. That is fair enough. I withdraw my comment regarding the word \u201Cbigot\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f5d415afd3742e8847dfa8ab30e37f0\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022 data-id=\u0022f26a003ec47649e4a15b400d5a2d77da\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f26a003ec47649e4a15b400d5a2d77da\u0022\u003ESIMON POWER (Senior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E That point raises an interesting question, which may require a ruling from you, Mr Chairman. Is it possible for a member to take offence at comments directed at a different member altogether? It may be worth your ruling on that point. In the absence of the member who is allegedly offended, is it possible for another member to take offence on that member\u2019s behalf?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022 data-id=\u0022f5d1889eb1514619975a243ece9956aa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f5d1889eb1514619975a243ece9956aa\u0022\u003EPETER BROWN (Deputy Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I draw the Chairman\u2019s attention to the fact that if I am correct, nobody has taken more points of order than the honourable Simon Power over aspersions cast against the leader of the party he belongs to when National\u2019s leader has not been in the Chamber.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u0022ea8d3a2ca85d4ac3bba6e4304d790942\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ea8d3a2ca85d4ac3bba6e4304d790942\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: The member knows he has gone too far. Members have had their fun. I refer members to Speaker\u2019s ruling 38/4\u2014I was asked for a ruling, and members on my left are not actually listening\u2014which states: \u201CWords or phrases used robustly in debate but which do not impugn the honour of a member will not be ruled out of order.\u201D It is really up to the member concerned\u2014if that member took offence on a personal basis because he or she was the member who was referred to\u2014to be in the Chamber.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u0022827d11a9f4884afea28e26dd1a7ceb9d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022827d11a9f4884afea28e26dd1a7ceb9d\u0022\u003ERON MARK (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to take my first call in the debate, and I do so prompted by a rather interesting speech from a person I do have some time for, although some could argue that he was not elected to the House but passed into it by legislation\u2014the Hon Harry Duynhoven. He raised questions around the issue of putting the bill to a referendum to allow the people to decide as to whether it should pass through Parliament, at all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI take up a couple of points that were made by Mr Duynhoven. The first point is the statement that we should not put take a poll of the people in order to find out whether they feel that this legislation is acceptable. That is a rather interesting statement, coming, as it does, from a member of the most poll-driven party in the history of this country. There has been no party or Government in the history of this nation that has been more driven by its consistent, behind-the-scenes, taxpayer-funded polling. In fact, I had the comment made to me that people suspect very strongly that certain members of Cabinet and the Government take a poll before they even get out of bed to decide whether it is a good idea to appear in public that day. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261e91b6f3f304f16b2cbf1de6c0822fd\u0022\u003EBrian Connell\u003C/span\u003E: Where did that come from?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229dcac6ddb74b4e5c923ea58e0353217d\u0022\u003ERON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: It came from the honourable Mr Brian Connell. The other point I want to make is that Harry Duynhoven and the Government should wake up. We are now a Parliament full of MMP MPs\u2014men and women who were elected here after 1996 as a result of a referendum in which the country spoke very loudly and very firmly on the need for change. We have trumpeted all over the country about what a great and wonderful thing that was. We have exhorted the virtues of the new House\u2014its diversity, its mixture of different ethnic groups, its diverse views and philosophies, and its greater representation of different parties. How did that come to be? It came to be as a result of a referendum. The public gave its verdict. It is a little bit strange for a member to then stand up and say that we should not have a referendum. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThe idea of a referendum is not new to New Zealand First. It is an old idea. Our policy on decriminalisation of marijuana is that we can live with the result if the public can. We would have a referendum, make it binding, and the result would be the decision. That is a policy this party has had since 1993. I was one of the first people in my caucus to argue for the idea of a referendum on conscience issues. I was one of the first to argue for it around the question of the death penalty. I know there is a calling out there for the death penalty for people who commit heinous crimes on children in particular. But it is not an idea that fits well with a large slice of New Zealand, and my argument was always that we should put it to the people. If the people are fair, just, and know what they want, they will tell us. We as a Parliament then have a simple direction as to what to do in order to meet the people\u2019s expectations. I do not see anything wrong with that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThe only reason one would vote against such a notion would be if one was scared. Mr Duynhoven should not talk to me about needing the courage to come here and make a decision off one\u2019s own bat. There are plenty of people in the House who have courage and have convictions and can stand up for the things they believe in. Indeed, this bill is before the Committee because Mr Tim Barnett has displayed the courage necessary to put the issue forward and to campaign on it. He will take the decision of the public if, at the end of the day, the people of the Christchurch Central electorate say they have had enough of it and do not re-elect him. So be it. But therein is the other point, and Mr Duynhoven made that point, too. He said that if the public do not like his decision, they will not re-elect him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E There is only one flaw in that argument. We know that there are certain safe seats in this country in which constituents still do not have their head around MMP. I know that if I put a dead horse with a red ribbon around its neck in the race in Christchurch East, and just said it was a Labour horse, it would win\u2014 \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002221d1fc2d1b324e6cba5d500f8076f0bf\u0022\u003ESimon Power\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s won twice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286482da62dfe46e0bc306f56113e208f\u0022\u003ERON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014yes, twice\u2014and that is the fact of the matter. The referendum idea is the one way in which we could get a clear direction from the people of New Zealand as to whether they want this bill. I asked the opponents of the referendum idea what they are scared of. If the polls are suggesting that the public wants this legislation, what are they scared of? They should vote for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022 data-id=\u002202ec771688a7437982bdbf245a21979b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002202ec771688a7437982bdbf245a21979b\u0022\u003ESTEPHEN FRANKS (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E In the nearly 2 hours since 9 a.m. I have listened to many speeches, and I think that only three were memorable. One was a draught of cool water from Dr Cullen, who spoke about the connection, or lack of connection, between this bill and religion, and about the religious view of marriage. Then Dr Lockwood Smith asked why the Labour Government had not put forward something that would achieve exactly the same legal objectives and end discrimination in terms of legal privilege, preference, or disability, but would not stick it up the noses of the 20, 30, or 40 percent of New Zealanders who have values similar to those that nearly everyone held 30 or 40 years ago. In other words, Dr Smith may not have referred to Dr Cullen\u2019s address, but he was referring to the fact, which is evident in this debate, that no one wants to talk about the words. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003ENo one is looking at what this law actually does or does not do. No one is looking at the clauses, because they are all busy making precious statements about their own morality and world view\u2014smug speeches that support one side or the other, but those primarily made by the proponents of this bill are about how intellectually superior they feel to the poor, benighted traditionalists who happen not to agree with their sexual morality. This bill is Parliament acting as a bunch of priests. Instead of Parliament approaching this and asking what the law provides, or what the law ought to do about status, it is setting out to try to decree respect\u2014it is not tolerance, legal permission, or legal rights and abilities that are being claimed, but respect. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EI think Sue Kedgley for the Greens said it, as her entire speech was about how Parliament must make sure that people are not traumatised by derogatory remarks or feel judged and attacked. That is why I will vote against this bill. When I asked the Justice and Electoral Committee for some assurance that this would not be converted by activist judges, the Advertising Standards Authority, film censors, or anyone else who exercises authority delegated from this Parliament, into an instruction that their role was now to decree respect instead of protecting freedom, I could not get it. In fact, the Labour members scoffed at the idea that we should revisit the absurd provisions of the Human Rights Act that state that no one can discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation or marital status. That is where the law should stop. It should state that the State cannot discriminate on those grounds; that the coercive powers of the State should not decree someone\u2019s morality. But for private individuals, how else do they express their views? By what other way do ordinary people\u2014people other than the elite who stand in this Chamber and pontificate\u2014try to propagate and promote their values except by drawing distinctions and acting on them? The law should protect everyone from coercion or violence. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EWhen I look at this bill, I see that it is simply a deliberate mimicry. It is deliberately the revenge of that coterie, as someone explained it, of covert lesbians and gays who have authority within the Labour Party. It is their revenge on straight New Zealanders. It could so easily have been done along the lines of the Worth amendments. This is not just a criticism of the Labour Party. I am stunned that I have not heard Richard Worth explain this morning why his amendments would have made such a better job without trying to decree respect. He would have amended the law in a way that was more facilitatory, cheaper, easier to operate, easier for everyone to understand, and less discriminatory because it would have covered people in caring, committed, stable, and loving relationships who did not consider that those relationships needed to be seen as sexual. That would have been the way to approach this legislation if all one was concerned about was ending discrimination and legal disability, making sure that people who loved each other got hospital visiting rights, could go to the mortuary, could decide how the burial went, or were able to access superannuation benefits. All of that could have been done without this fatuous provision that has a $5,000 fine for someone who pretends to be a marriage celebrant. Why, when the marriage contract does not specify content and when the words that are uttered are only about identifying the parties and stating that one wants to be in a civil union?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022 data-id=\u002229559b551ffd4990955b95c917db34c1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002229559b551ffd4990955b95c917db34c1\u0022\u003EMARK PECK (Labour\u2014Invercargill):\u003C/span\u003E I am pleased to follow on from that member. I quite enjoy following on from people who can take words and make them mean what they want them to mean at any particular point in time in a debate. I have a daughter who is a lawyer, and one thing I have learnt about lawyers is that they can make an argument around any position\u2014as long as they are getting well paid for it. There are two professions: the oldest profession, of course, and that of lawyers, which is the second-oldest profession. Both of them have pretty similar ideals.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EI wish to comment on the debate that has been held so far. I think that the strongest statement against proceeding with this bill has come from the Hon Bill English, who at least has drawn attention to the fact that a tandem piece of legislation needs to come into being as well, at some point in time. That has been the strongest, principled position against passing the bill at this stage. He said that we should hang on until the second bill was ready to go. That is it; that has been all. There has been no other good, logical, strong reason not to proceed with this bill at this time\u2014none at all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EMembers fascinate me. They stand up and go on about how difficult it will be to exercise a conscience and how important it is to have a referendum. I really enjoyed Sue Kedgley\u2019s speech. It is not often that I listen to Sue Kedgley and agree with her, but a lot of what she said was absolutely dead right and bang on the money. It is extraordinarily clear to me that if we run a referendum it will not be about civil unions. The debate will be to demonise homosexuality\u2014full stop. That will be the debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EI have mentioned what Brian T\u0101maki and others will do during that debate. We will see 800,000 people petitioned again, we will see the ghost of Norman Jones revisited upon us, and the doomsayers will say that society as we know it is dead and will become even more dead as a result of this legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EBut we all know that the experience since 1986 has been absolutely to the contrary. Will somebody look around this room and tell me who is homosexual and how we can tell? Will somebody look around the gallery and tell me who is homosexual and how we can tell? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268af7dd8fa07457ab30e6b37819e10f9\u0022\u003EBrian Connell\u003C/span\u003E: Tim Barnett.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281affe4b25f94408ab72ea5182344237\u0022\u003EMARK PECK\u003C/span\u003E: How can the member tell how anybody is homosexual? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229834cb82b247497f877404144e8d5a60\u0022\u003EBrian Connell\u003C/span\u003E: Because you told me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225244db34fd004f8c840c2577c8a9cc97\u0022\u003EMARK PECK\u003C/span\u003E: Exactly. As the member said, somebody is because somebody said so. There we go\u2014wonderful stuff! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EI lived in the United States as a kid. I will tell members about some other intolerance that I lived with and had to put up with as a child\u2014intolerance for black people. People were scared of black people. One thing I will never forget as a child was taking part in a march in my town, after four children\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e40a333fa89946f2983817fb65b01ebc\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I am sorry to interrupt the member. He will have a minute added to his time. The reason is simple. Mr Chairperson directed that there would be no continuous barrage of interjections and that people\u2019s rights to be heard would be respected in this Chamber. This is an emotional and passionate issue for many people. As members of Parliament, with people out there listening to us, we should have respect for others. Mr Peck has 2 minutes and 30 seconds remaining. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e16191658c2f4334a042e497eec0fd04\u0022\u003EMARK PECK\u003C/span\u003E: I took part in a march in my town, because four little children in Alabama had been killed by a bomb from a bunch of racists who were so scared of black people and the right of those people to ride on buses that they decided to become violent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EThere are people in our society now who will become violent over homosexuality. That is just as wrong as what happened to those four little children. I was hugely delighted to read in the newspaper, as I was going to speak to a Grey Power meeting not that long ago, that one of those bombers was finally caught, 35 years after the act. He has been sentenced to life imprisonment for the act that he carried out on that occasion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EOne of the reasons why my family immigrated to New Zealand was that it was a tolerant, secular society, and in a tolerant, secular society we tolerate differences. What appals me about this debate is that we cannot for the life of us seem to get our heads around the fact that people are people. Whatever they had for breakfast or whatever they did on Sunday does not change the fact that they are people, and all people have the right to dignity and respect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EHaving listened to some who have gone through the agony of having to put up with this debate and revisit it time and time again, I ask members to put themselves in their position for a moment. Can members imagine always being told by what one heard in Parliament and read in the newspaper that one was not a fit and proper human being, that one could not have a fit and proper relationship, and that one should have nothing to do with one\u2019s wh\u0101nau\u2014the children one might have fathered or been a mother to, or one\u2019s uncles and aunties or nephews and nieces\u2014because of one\u2019s sexual orientation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002276e4b8b7-c205-49d8-a21e-5d7a3ddf1330\u0022\u003EThat is what is wrong. It is time we grew up. Members can put up all the arguments they like for voting on a referendum now, but the truth of the matter is that holding a referendum means that those people will have to relive that nightmare. As a member of Parliament, I will not see that visited on anybody in this nation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022 data-id=\u00221bc2b455938e402ea23d00da74ff4482\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221bc2b455938e402ea23d00da74ff4482\u0022\u003ELARRY BALDOCK (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E I certainly do not condone any violence towards homosexuals in this country. But, despite the previous member\u2019s speech, I do not believe that that would be the outcome of a properly handled referendum in this country. It would simply be an opportunity for people to share their views on this very important subject. Nor do I condone the Government introducing legislation against hate speech into Parliament at some time in the future. That would restrict the ability of any New Zealander to have an opinion about homosexuality. I think that the honourable member Stephen Franks made that point very clear in his speech. What concerns many New Zealanders as they look at this legislation is that they see it is one more step towards shutting down any kind of opposition to a homosexual lifestyle. I believe that New Zealanders should be free to have their own moral views and to be able to express their opinions when they feel that they need to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EI need to address the amendment that I have on the Table for this legislation before we run out of calls, and I will spend the rest of my speech on doing so. It is an amendment to clause 18. My colleague Marc Alexander also has an amendment to remove clauses 17 and 18 from the bill altogether. We believe that that is the Trojan Horse in this legislation whereby people will be able to access marriage officially while in a same-sex relationship, because of the ability within the bill to convert from civil union to marriage. Currently the bill states that couples can do that only if they are eligible to marry. We understand that under the current interpretation of the Marriage Act, marriage is for men and women. But we do not hold any confidence that that may not be overturned in the future by judicial activism, which we have seen occur in the past. I simply want to put the issue beyond all doubt by making an amendment to clause 18 that adds the words \u201Cand who are a man and a woman\u201D, so that it can be very clear that the intention of Parliament, if this bill passes, is that only those civil unions that are between a man and a woman could ever transfer to marriage officially. I do not see that as an unreasonable request. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EIf the supporters of this legislation are adamant about the fact that it is not a step towards gay marriage, then let us make it clear in the legislation that that cannot occur in the future. I believe the contrary to that is true. I believe that this bill is a Trojan Horse. I cannot see any reason why those transfer clauses are in this bill, except to allow a same-sex couple who are in a civil union to go to court in the future and say that they are being discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation, and to take an appeal right through to the Supreme Court. I believe it is entirely possible that the Supreme Court would overturn the will of Parliament and begin to give gay marriage to civil union partners. The thing that concerns us about this bill is that civil union is made so much like marriage that it is possible to flip-flop between the two. Why on earth do we want heterosexuals to have civil unions, when they could have civil marriages anyway under the current law? That simply does not make sense. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EA number of speakers have raised the issue of the international precedents. They have happily cited the European countries that have provided for civil unions and for marriage. One of them that has not been referred to, of course, is the Netherlands, which has had civil unions or gay marriage since 1999. In the Netherlands\u2019 5 years of experience, the surveys have shown that each civil union lasts for an average of 18 months. It is entirely the right of people to have civil relationships, but we ought to look at the facts about what those civil unions have produced there: relationships that last, on average, 18 months. The surveys show that during those 18 months, people have also had up to six or eight partners. In a free society people are entirely free to do that if they wish to do so, but that is not a relationship that we should consider putting children into. Children need more than 18 months in order to grow up and mature. They need to have a stable relationship between a mother and father over a period of at least 20 years, in order to be able to grow to maturity and to have the benefits of the love and care of those individuals. It is not enough just to be loving and caring at the beginning of a relationship. That love and care has to continue throughout a lifetime, in order to provide a stable relationship in which children can grow, mature, and become adults themselves. One of the submitters who came to the Justice and Electoral Committee said that his studies of same-sex relationships over the entire world had found that the average length of those relationships was 2 years. We know that marriages break down and that de facto heterosexual couples break up, but their average, internationally, is 17 years. That is a much better average than 2 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022 data-id=\u002212b995218d0b449792861f5f5efb416b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002212b995218d0b449792861f5f5efb416b\u0022\u003ETIM BARNETT (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E Following on from Larry Baldock, I would like to point out to him and to the Committee that one does not have to condone violence; one merely has to encourage it. We have received very many pieces of correspondence on this legislation in the recent period. The worst that could be said about the correspondence we received in favour of the bill is that some people have used the word \u201Cmarriage\u201D rather than \u201Ccivil union\u201D. I think it is regrettable if they do that, because we are not bringing in same-sex marriage. But the language used in a fair proportion of the correspondence against the bill has been quite extraordinary. I do not think any of it would condone violence, but a lot of it would encourage violence. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EI would like to quote three short passages to the Committee from letters that I have received. They are also contained in submissions to the Justice and Electoral Committee, so they are on the official record of the House. The first is from a gentleman in Redwood in Christchurch, who states: \u201CThese bills are short-sighted attempts to satisfy the desire of a very small minority. While everyone would be affected, it is very obvious that the only people who really benefit from these changes are same-sex, sick, homosexual people who need urgent treatment rather than listening.\u201D Then I turn to Mrs M A Collis of Timaru: \u201CGod created Adam and Eve\u2014he did not create TWO Adams or TWO Eves!! In my thinking gay people are a blot on society, unhealthy, repugnant, so why try to bring in a Civil Union Bill?\u201D. Lastly I turn to a submission from an 11-year-old girl: \u201CThe Bible mentions that God gave the homosexuals over to a debased mind to do things which are not fitting, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, having evil minds, to be proud, violent boasters, haters of God, disobedient, unforgiving, unloving backbiters and whisperers. It also mentions that they are worthy of death\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EThat is the kind of language that we have been receiving from people who are opposed to this legislation. I cannot say that any one of those submissions condones violence. They come as close to endorsing hatred against a section of our community as I can imagine. Personally, I have never supported hate-speech legislation. The Government Administration Committee is holding an inquiry on hate speech at the moment. I have a profound belief in freedom of speech. I think it is important that we have an inquiry on hate speech\u2014not least because the United Nations has repeatedly stated in its audit of our human rights law that we do not protect people from hate speech in the way that many other countries do. So I think the debate is worth having, but I am certainly not convinced that we should, as a result, label people such as those who have written those submissions as criminal. I do think that we, as politicians elected to positions here, need to reflect on whether that kind of language should be able to influence our minds towards a significant section of our community that absolutely has a recorded history\u2014not only in New Zealand but worldwide\u2014of being the victim of discrimination of the most hideous kind. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EI must end by pointing out that one of the four groups of people targeted in Nazi Germany for concentration camps\u2014additional to the Jews, the clergy, and the gypsies or Romanies\u2014was homosexuals, who died in gas chambers in their thousands. That was no mistake. It happened because they were a group identified as a threat to that society, just as some speakers in this Chamber, and others, claim that people like me are some kind of hideous threat to our society today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022 data-id=\u0022b28d431249104465835ac22ff04be1b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b28d431249104465835ac22ff04be1b9\u0022\u003ESHANE ARDERN (National\u2014Taranaki-King Country):\u003C/span\u003E I listened to the last speaker, as I have done throughout the debate, with some interest. That person brings a diversity to the Parliament, and I congratulate him on that. I think that that is a good thing in an open, compassionate society. But the very strength of his argument demonstrates the reason why I am opposing this legislation. He said he has pulled out, via this process, the worst aspects of society through the email he has received. I have received email of a similar kind because I have been opposing the legislation. That is one of the strongest reasons why we\u2014120 individuals\u2014should not be making this decision under this process. It is one of the strongest arguments why this decision should be taken via referendum in society. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003EI say to the Parliament today that I oppose this legislation for a number of reasons. The first is that it can be described as nothing more than social engineering. Quite frankly, New Zealanders, as a general rule, are opposed to that. They have had enough of it. They have seen it for 6 years now, and they are certainly not in favour of it. It is championed by the Prime Minister; there is no question about that. In fact, I suspect that this legislation would not have the numbers it has if it had not been for some on the other side, despite the fact that this is supposed to be a conscience vote, being fairly heavily spoken to by the leadership of their party. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003EAlso, I ask what we are trying to fix if nothing is broken. I would like to know where the problem is, in the legal sense. Certainly no problem was identified through the select committee process, as I understand it. Certainly no legal problems could be identified clearly through that process. I say to members opposite that I have been in what I guess one could describe, for all intents and purposes, as civil unions, such as a business partnership. I ask what is wrong with that mechanism, and what is wrong with the power of attorney. I have heard no strong argument yet that I can hang my hat on that justifies the process we are going through and the need for this legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003EThe reason I oppose it is that it actually does attack what has been a cultural tradition in the Western developed world, and around the world, of marriage. People say that it does not. I have heard the arguments that it does not threaten marriage. Well, I ask what the legislation does do in terms of marriage. Does it enhance marriage? Is the relationship of those who are married today changed in any way by it? The relationship is changed only to the extent that the legislation offers another option. I ask the people out there who believe that that is a good idea or a good option, what is wrong with a traditional marriage between a man and a woman as we have seen it for thousands of years. Therefore, why should those who choose to live in de facto relationships\u2014those who choose to stay outside marriage\u2014be swept up by this social engineering Government into a legally binding situation that they may not want to enter? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003EI see members on the other side shaking their heads as though that is not going to happen. I ask those members, then, to take a call and tell me that when a de facto relationship that exists today breaks up and is contested before the courts for whatever reason, in no way, under no circumstances, will that situation be influenced by the passing of this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022723648c0d3eb4dfd8e8a8a61481e8ee2\u0022\u003EDarren Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ve already got law on that. We did that 2 years ago.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e040e80fec4e4be194c69028af402dc8\u0022\u003ESHANE ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: Well, here is the reality. If we already have law on it, then what is the purpose of this legislation? I ask the member over there who is chipping in, to take a call and absolutely, unequivocally rule out the possibility that any lawyer anywhere in New Zealand will be able to use the Civil Union Bill\u2014or the Civil Union Act, when it becomes an Act by a slim majority in this Parliament\u2014in any kind of court case or civil hearing against a de facto partner in a relationship that has failed. I ask the member to tell me whether lawyers will be able to use it\u2014yes or no. I ask because a large number of people with legal backgrounds in this area have said to me that, inevitably, that situation will be swept up in this legislation, because it takes precedent. I ask the member to rule that out, for those out there who have some uncertainty about it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022 data-id=\u0022cdb78060891e4f39a8a40ffb590e3dd2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cdb78060891e4f39a8a40ffb590e3dd2\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I want to address some of the concerns raised by the previous speaker. I start by letting him know that civil unions will not be compulsory. People will choose to have one if they want to have one. Some of the issues the member raises probably have more to do with the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill than with this legislation, because, of course, if one does not choose to have a civil union, then one will not be in one. The select committee is still looking at some aspects around de facto couples in the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d59cdf737d0408280f72a3618c7ebab\u0022\u003EShane Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: Do you rule out the question I asked?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002219a21f74c8c04650b753ad10d5dfcd56\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: I would rule out the question the member asked if I understood it. If a de facto couple\u2014a couple in a relationship like the one I am in\u2014choose not to have a civil union, then the Civil Union Bill will not impact on their de facto relationship. I was on the select committee that heard the submissions. It amuses me that the member seems to think that no issues were raised at the committee about power of attorney and about next of kin. Perhaps he should ask the National Party member whom he undoubtedly got that from, how often that member was at the committee hearing submissions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EIf the member would like me to, I will tell him some of the stories people told us about what really happens. One of the more disturbing was a situation where a couple had spent an awful lot of time and money getting a formal contract drawn up that talked about burial rites, cremation rites, next of kin, the will, enduring powers of attorney, and all that stuff. When one partner passed away because of an illness, the remaining partner found that, because his relationship had no legal standing, the family was able to challenge the contract. The court actually overturned it, in his case. The select committee was quite shocked. We had thought that if one went to the time\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c386021aa6894f90b6234ee04c401337\u0022\u003EShane Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: So can you guarantee that a civil union could fix that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296ed8ae677ad42eb8485616d7edff667\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: I tell Mr Ardern that if one is in a civil union with someone, then it is a legally recognised relationship with next of kin. It is funny that Mr Connell is not upset about people on his side of the argument interjecting, when he was on his feet every 2 seconds whenever we answered Mr Ardern\u2019s questions\u2014but that is fine. The Nurses Organisation talked to the committee about the difficulties nurses face when they have a family that disapproves of a relationship on one side, and a partner on the other side, and the person who is in hospital has not been able to sign the next-of-kin forms, because he or she is unconscious on arrival, is extremely ill, has died, or whatever. That poses problems for the hospital. It is down to the individual policies of the hospital, because we have no next-of-kin laws in New Zealand. It is an extremely problematic area. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EThe Nurses Organisation said that it is actually up to the staff members whom the family or the partner comes to, to make that call. When the family says that a person has not been in a relationship with their son or daughter, and the partner says that he or she has been in a relationship for 20 or 30 years, then the hospital has to make a pretty unfair call. While the relationships bill does not address this, if that couple are in a civil union it might be that the partner has to come along and show the civil union certificate and say: \u201CLook, we\u2019re in a civil union; this is a legal, recognised relationship. It is recognised in the law that we have chosen to spend our lives together.\u201D Then that person is the next of kin, and that eliminates that uncertainty. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EThere will still be couples who choose not to have a civil union who will remain in de facto relationships, and there will continue to be a problematic area in New Zealand law\u2014as the select committee is finding out\u2014about what one does when one gets into those extreme situations that people do not anticipate happening. I think that if even a small proportion of the 320,000 heterosexual people living in de facto unions decided to have a civil union, it would make situations like that far easier than they are today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EThere were other examples before the select committee of people who were not able to get any kind of legal certainty around the status of their relationship. They had children. There was one couple who came in where the biological mother was overseas. The partner was denied access to the child, because the partner was not seen as a legal part of that family. The child was extremely distressed, but the child was not allowed to make that call, because of the child\u2019s age. The family stepped in and said: \u201CNo, we want to be involved.\u201D, when the family had, in fact, had nothing to do with that child for a very long time, but the partner had done. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ade4c4613cf140788be0722ce7138f17\u0022\u003EShane Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: How would civil union make a difference?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221c4ac7a13d6a4fee9def70bcc54691df\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: Because, I say to Mr Ardern, if they had been in a civil union, then that person would have been legally recognised as being in a legal relationship under New Zealand law. When one is in a de facto relationship, that by its very definition means that it is outside the law. Those couples do not have a choice. Heterosexual de facto couples do. Unfortunately, most of them do not think as far ahead as that, or they have such an issue with marriage that they will not do that. But homosexual de facto couples do not have a choice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u00226e4ebaa1999440e88aaa04c932abd42d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226e4ebaa1999440e88aaa04c932abd42d\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (National\u2014Clutha-Southland):\u003C/span\u003E I have been quite disappointed with the way the Government has failed to take this part of the bill seriously. Along with other speakers, like Stephen Franks of the ACT party, I have asked the Minister to explain just what rights and obligations go with a civil union. Clauses 17 and 18 allow for what is now called a \u201Cchanging form of relationship\u201D, but that is what was more correctly called in the original bill, \u201Cconverting civil union into marriage\u201D\u2014or the other way around. Parliament has a right to know what the Government thinks happens to people\u2019s rights and obligations when one converts a civil union into a marriage, because we cannot tell from reading the legislation. The Government is sowing confusion by saying that this is not gay marriage\u2014OK, let us take Government members at their word; I believe they make that statement for political reasons, not legal reasons\u2014but one can convert a civil union into a marriage. So what do I tell my constituent who is in a gay partnership about what this legislation means? If my constituent wants to enter a civil union and then wants to convert that into a marriage, what is involved? What are the rights and obligations? Well, they are not in the bill, and the Minister refuses to tell us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EI think that that is because the Minister does not know. What was meant to happen was the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill was meant to be here. It was meant to outline by indirect means, through all the changes to other statutes, what would be involved as rights and obligations of a civil union. But it is not here, so we do not know. When one looks at it, this bill really legislates for only a ceremony. That is all it does. What the Government is doing is putting into statute a ceremony of civil union, without knowing what it will lead to. We have heard various emotional pleas and statements from the Government about homophobia, about their relations, and about how Government members feel about all that, but altering that is not primarily the job of this Chamber. The job of this Chamber is to debate this law, outline its implications, and make it clear to people what the results are of entering into a civil union. In that respect, this debate has utterly failed. Members are no clearer now, after a couple of days of debating the Committee stage, about what that means than they were when they started. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EThe Government ought to understand the complexities that this will create for relationships. The day after this bill is passed, there will be a handful of gay couples who will go and have a civil union ceremony, and there will be photos in the paper and there will be rejoicing. But the nitty-gritty of this is the implications down the track for those couples when something goes wrong, and there are children and property involved\u2014none of which is made clear here. That was not the Government\u2019s intent. It was never the intent. I think that Parliament still does not understand what a mess this is turning into. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EThe previous speaker said that civil union is not compulsory, but under the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill it will be. Under that bill\u2014when it gets here\u2014every gay couple who are in some kind of adult relationship will have the same set of rights and obligations as a married couple. That is the thrust of the Government\u2019s argument. It argues that human rights cannot discriminate, so everyone has to have the same legal framework for their relationships. The threshold for that relationship will be quite low, because if we cannot discriminate, we will have to use the social welfare definition of \u201Cde facto\u201D, which is a very low threshold for determining a relationship. Which ceremony one has been through will make no legal difference when the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill comes through this Parliament. That is the intent. It is the intent of this bill that there will be civil unions, which are a ceremony outlined in this bill, but the legal rights and obligations will be the same, regardless.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022 data-id=\u00223489ec5ea7664001852689f3ec262ce4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223489ec5ea7664001852689f3ec262ce4\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Minister of State):\u003C/span\u003E I thank the member who has just resumed his seat, because he does draw attention to the important point that Parliament would not be doing its job on this bill if it were to get excessively hung up on broader issues\u2014for example, those of homosexual law reform\u2014at the expense of looking at the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EIt is time that we ask what this bill is not about. Is it about creating gay marriage? Clearly, it is not. Marriage remains solely available to a man and a woman. The Civil Union Bill does not alter the Marriage Act of 1955. It simply enables couples who do not wish to marry or cannot marry to have their relationships recognised at law. There has been a fair degree of comment from the Churches around the country about the fact that the Christian concept of marriage is something that should be separate and different from a civil union. It seems to me that is patently true, and this bill creates a positive and creative opportunity for Churches to say exactly what that difference is. If it is a sacred covenant that goes above and beyond a matter of contract law or legislative provision, then let the Churches say what the difference is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EThe next argument is that this bill is simply about gay rights. Again, I think that a factual analysis shows that is not the case. The law currently differentiates between people according to their marital status. A number of legal rights and responsibilities apply to only those who are married couples. That is potentially discriminatory, and this bill is one way of addressing that discrimination.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EIt has been argued that the bill affects only a tiny minority of New Zealanders. Well, that is not true either, because one in five New Zealanders are currently living in a relationship where they have chosen not to marry. That is over 330,000 people who are potentially or directly affected by this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EThe next argument is that this has all happened very quickly, but that is clearly not true either. The Human Rights Act was passed 11 years ago, and it outlawed discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. In 2001 this Government announced that it agreed that laws should be applied equally.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EThere is an argument that New Zealand is leading some kind of strange social engineering experiment. Well, that is not true either, because many other countries have preceded us in adopting non-discriminatory, civil union type of arrangements\u2014for example, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greenland, Hungary, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden, to name a few.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EThere is an argument that people will be able to be married and in a civil union at the same time. The answer is that, no, they will not. Here I would like to pick up on a point that the Hon Bill English made in referring to the issue of changing the form of a relationship. I think the Justice and Electoral Committee\u2019s work is instructive. If we turn to page 6 of the very detailed select committee report, we see an extensive discussion of the amendment to change the reference to \u201Cconverting\u201D a relationship from a marriage to a civil union, to \u201Cchanging form of\u201D the relationship. The amendment was made to preserve the fact that a civil union and a marriage are different things, but not to imply that in fact the relationship between the two people has to cease to exist in order for one to be converted to the other. But what is instructive in the select committee\u2019s report is that the ongoing distinction between the two was broadly agreed to in the committee, and remains pertinent to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EFinally, the argument is made that this bill should not proceed because the majority of New Zealanders are against it. Well, the Herald-DigiPoll of 2 October found the opposite: 56.4 percent of New Zealanders were in favour of civil unions, and only 39.3 percent were against. The email traffic to my parliamentary office has been broadly in favour of this bill passing\u2014not, I might add, simply because it provides equal rights to homosexual New Zealanders, but because it removes discrimination that could apply perniciously against various New Zealanders in various states of relationships.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EI am pleased that this discussion has got over the homosexuality issue as we have proceeded to debate the text of the bill. I hope that will continue, because the more it does so, I think, the less threatening the bill will become to members opposite and to New Zealanders, and the more sensible it will be in removing existing discriminatory provisions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022 data-id=\u0022f894090f601445ee9aad9a79ccf3e800\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f894090f601445ee9aad9a79ccf3e800\u0022\u003ESHANE ARDERN (National\u2014Taranaki-King Country):\u003C/span\u003E Is there not a real irony when one Labour speaker after another\u2014with a couple of others in-between\u2014completely contradicts what the previous Labour speaker said? In my submission earlier, I said that the difficulty I have with the Civil Union Bill proposal is that 300,000-odd New Zealanders, almost as an unintended consequence, will be swept up into some kind of legal debate, which they do not want, or understand, or know about, if their relationship fails. That was strongly rebutted, not only by interjection but by the following speaker. Then the speaker who has just resumed his seat said that this bill was not about the small minority of gays whom the Opposition was opposing; it was about the 320,000 New Zealanders whom the passage of the legislation would impact on. Which is it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003EWe have a Minister in the chair. I put a question to the Committee before and it has not been answered. I have had legal advice that says that in the case of a de facto relationship, where the couple has chosen not to get married or enter into a civil union, there will be legal implications for that couple in the event of the failure of that relationship, not only in terms of the children in that relationship but also with regard to property. I do not know whether that is so, but what I do know is that there is a huge amount of ambiguity around it. In this debate, the Minister and the Government should clear up that ambiguity for New Zealanders who want an answer to that point.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003EI say to members of the Government that we should protect minorities. It is part of New Zealand\u2019s culture. We are an egalitarian society. We should protect small minorities in this country. But this legislation does not do that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213aa769548e84bfb80946896e878ea9d\u0022\u003ERon Mark\u003C/span\u003E: I am a small minority.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220eeef6ed9d9e4cc892799c36c2233f35\u0022\u003ESHANE ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: That member being a New Zealand First member, I agree that he is part of a very small minority\u2014but I do not think that was what he was referring to. The fact is that we should, if we can, pass legislation that is sensible in terms of protecting a minority, as well as protecting property, but not at the expense of what we know has been a cornerstone of New Zealand society. Coming from a very conservative seat and a traditional background, I say that I am almost an endangered species, being a white, Anglo-Saxon, married, middle-aged male in this House. I am being threatened, and the cornerstone of society is being challenged, as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003EI say to the Government that this is not an attack on those who suggest we are in some way lesser than they are in terms of our degree of enlightenment about what is acceptable in society. I ask the Government to justify what it is trying to achieve. So far, nobody has. When we take its legal argument, we see that it cannot be clearly won. When we take the emotional argument, or social argument, we see that, clearly, there is no strength to that argument. When we look at the argument about enabling people to live happily in society, we see there is no strength to that argument, either.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003EIf a power of attorney can be challenged, as was suggested by a previous speaker, or if a legal partnership can be challenged, why, then, can a civil union not be challenged? I have a case in my electorate right now of a person who signed a pre-nuptial agreement. He has been taken to the cleaners. The argument put forward by the judge was that his partner did not fully understand the implications of signing it. Well, what happens if a gay relationship fails, after the couple have entered into a civil union, and some clever lawyer or judge says that one of the partners was not quite sure of what it was he or she was entering into? Will that case stand? Can the lawyers tell me that? The answer is that, no, they cannot. They will not know until it is tested, but it will no more stand up than a marriage agreement or any other legal agreement will stand up in those circumstances.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003ESo the reality is I cannot see what it is that the Government is trying to fix. Clearly, this bill is no more than the Prime Minister and her team entering into a form of social engineering that most New Zealanders do not want and have not supported in any way, shape, or form. It is interesting to note that the previous speaker said that the email traffic to his office has been about even in terms of those in favour and those opposed. I have to say that, overwhelmingly, that has not been the case in terms of my email.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ba6fde7e-93f4-4636-9ce2-02c07007973a\u0022 data-id=\u00222102e130b788426a81cfd34a87c0b045\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ba6fde7e-93f4-4636-9ce2-02c07007973a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222102e130b788426a81cfd34a87c0b045\u0022\u003EHon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I do not usually speak in these conscience debates. I usually listen to the arguments and make my own mind up. But I do feel, on an important issue such as this, that a contribution is warranted. By definition, I am pretty conservative on matters such as this. I was opposed to the lowering of the drinking age and voted against that. I am opposed to voluntary euthanasia, which was also debated in this House. I voted against this bill as it was introduced, primarily because I was opposed, and am still opposed, to anything that implies gay marriage. As I say, I am still very strongly opposed to gay marriage. But I have looked into this matter quite a lot. I have done quite a lot of further study, talked to a lot of people, and come to the conclusion that this is not gay marriage. The Marriage Act has not been altered. Marriage is still between a man and a woman\u2014a husband and a wife. Those terms are still available only to people in a marriage. So the Marriage Act has not changed and marriage has not changed, and I would not be supporting this legislation if they had. Civil unions are about a public declaration and legal recognition of loving relationships. I support loving relationships, whatever form those relationships take. Civil unions are nothing more than a public declaration and legal recognition of those loving relationships. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ba6fde7e-93f4-4636-9ce2-02c07007973a\u0022\u003EThere are claims that civil union undermines marriage and threatens the family. Well, I think a lot of fear has been generated around that, and I apply it to myself in my own situation. I say to people that really there is nothing to fear. I am married, and I do not feel that civil unions threaten my marriage. I think that maybe a number of other things threaten marriage across the country, but certainly civil unions do not. I have a family: two wonderful boys, and now a lovely new daughter. I do not think that civil unions threaten my family. My family is not threatened and other families are not threatened, so in my view there is really nothing to fear. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ba6fde7e-93f4-4636-9ce2-02c07007973a\u0022\u003EI think that another thing that influenced me was the experience of watching the Destiny Church rally here. I was deeply concerned about men in black shirts standing in front of this Parliament. I was brought up as a Catholic\u2014brought up as a Christian\u2014and I was looking to see some kind of comparison between the Christianity I know and the Destiny Church. What I wanted to see in that demonstration was love. I saw hate in a lot of eyes. I wanted to see tolerance in those eyes, but what I saw was intolerance. I wanted to see understanding, but what I saw was ignorance. From a Christian perspective, we need to see more love, tolerance, and understanding, which in my view are some of the principles that underline this legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ba6fde7e-93f4-4636-9ce2-02c07007973a\u0022\u003EIn conclusion, this has been quite a difficult decision for me to make. I have gone into this legislation in some depth. I spent a lot of time talking to people, and I did a lot of reading. I read the report, which I thought was a good report, and I sat on the Justice and Electoral Committee for a very short period of time and heard the arguments for and against the bill. In summary, civil unions are not marriage; they are not gay marriage. I need to indicate that if there had been changes to the Marriage Act, I would have opposed that. If such legislation comes before Parliament I would oppose it, and I make that point quite clear. I do feel, though, that this issue is about loving relationships and about people in loving relationships wanting to declare those publicly and to legally notify them, and I do not see anything wrong with that. This legislation does not threaten my family, nor does it undermine my marriage. I think that things have been whipped up by some people, and that fear has been created around this bill, so I ask people how the passage of this legislation will undermine their marriage or threaten their family. I do not feel that\u2014I do not feel threatened or undermined as a result of this legislation. What I am very keen to tell the people who are in loving, supportive, respectful relationships and who want to go through some sort of ceremony where there is some kind of public and legal recognition as a result of that, that it is fine by me. I support the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u0022a54565b549534e98a8e334def2e996dc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a54565b549534e98a8e334def2e996dc\u0022\u003ERON MARK (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Once again, I will address the issue of civil unions and the objections raised by some earlier speakers against the concept of a referendum. I have been struck by the total inconsistencies I have heard. I have voted in favour of the bill at every stage so far. I am a strong advocate of a referendum, and plead with members\u2014Government members in particular\u2014to support the amendment in the Supplementary Order Paper. I shall tell members why. To deny a referendum just because people would campaign for and against civil unions, as one speaker said, is ridiculous. It is absolutely absurd. To deny a referendum because the issue might incite hateful comments, would be denying what is happening right now and be showing a lack of faith in the fair-mindedness of Kiwis. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI shall give some examples. During the course of this debate, someone outside the House said to me that de facto relationships are immoral. My reaction was that by inference civil unions must be immoral. I asked that person to tell that to my kids, two of whom have lived in de facto relationships for many years. One of them had lived in a de facto relationship for 8 years before he and his wife decided to get married. I am able, and most Kiwis are able, to rationalise statements such as that and to judge people accordingly. I have received videos of Sodom and Gomorrah and some rather bizarre letters, because none of those things have endeared me to the writers or senders of such material. I do not believe that fair-minded Kiwis faced with such an onslaught would treat a referendum any differently. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003ETake, for example, the statements made by the Catholic Church. All my children and grandchildren are Catholic, but I am not. However, I am quite able, so are other people, to sift out the inconsistencies. Do members really think that all the Catholic women who use birth control methods will seriously take every word of the Catholic Church as gospel and live by it; that they would not vote for a referendum, even though in their conscience they believe they should? Take, for example, the priest in Christchurch who has debarred a teacher from having a tagged appointment in a Catholic school, because the teacher lives in sin. In this day and age that is nonsense, and it is seen as nonsense. That priest in Rangiora is facing the scrutiny of parents, who think that is a ridiculous attitude. His words on civil unions will be taken on balance by people who are able to sort through the issue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003ESome people have told me that marriage is an institution sanctified by God, and that civil unions will undermine marriage. I balance that view with the knowledge that in countless weddings God is specifically ruled out, yet by decree, they apparently have the same sanctity as a marriage conducted in a church. I have seen registry office marriages. Supposedly, advocates would say those marriages have the same status as a marriage sanctified in a religious ceremony in a church. We have seen marriages of convenience, whereby Russian husbands and Asian wives have been brought to this country, and we sit here and expect people to believe that those marriages have the same sanctity as a traditional marriage and do not undermine it. If that is the case, it leaves a big argument as to what further damage the Civil Union Bill would do to the sanctity of marriage, if those types of marriages are considered acceptable. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EVirtually every person I know, and the vast majority of them are opposed to this bill, say that the Destiny Church has turned them off. These words have been used to describe the Destiny Church: \u201CA bunch of telemarketing evangelists, a bunch of Jonestown acolytes, zealots, really scary people, people you wouldn\u2019t invite to dinner\u201D. That is the sort of reaction the Destiny Church campaign has engendered against itself, not against the bill, and not against gay people. So my question to this Government and to all those people who, I am starting to suspect, have been whipped into line\u2014Labour MPs who are voting against the bill, but now are voting against a referendum\u2014is what does this House have to fear by putting the question to the people? Why not ask them? We say that it is really simple: that issues like this should be put up at the same time as a general election. There should be a series of questions like: \u201CDo you want to have same-sex marriages?\u201D; \u201CDo you want to have civil unions?\u201D. They are very simple questions\u2014yes or no\u2014and the public is quite capable of answering them for us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022 data-id=\u00225f4649df51d2477b8034fb07ffa508a4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225f4649df51d2477b8034fb07ffa508a4\u0022\u003EDr PAUL HUTCHISON (National\u2014Port Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you for the opportunity to speak on Part 2 of this very important Civil Union Bill. Just recently we heard the Hon Paul Swain give a very sincere and thoughtful speech as a Roman Catholic supporting this bill. It is very difficult at times to balance the thoughtful speeches that are given by members on either side that relate to this bill. I think he ended up by saying in essence that he supports the civil union possibility of a loving and caring couple who wanted to go through some sort of public and legal recognition. I ask the Hon Paul Swain why one needs this formal Civil Union Bill, put up by the Labour Government, and the rights it bestows on people, when we already have common law rights in New Zealand that allow that extra freedom of individuals to be able to design the sort of framework for the relationship that they would like. Surely, that extra freedom is something that is enormously important and the whole democratic process is about working for those freedoms. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EHave we not, in this case, almost got an over-reaction of the civil and human rights gained over the last 40 to 60 years in the gender battle? When one thinks back to Oscar Wilde and the absolutely extraordinary persecution that he went through in that era, one thinks of how he would be able to express himself today with considerable openness and, hopefully, little or no persecution, and also enter into a relationship that would be recognised by common law, if that were what he wanted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003E Is the Labour Government not over-reacting in a historical sense and saying: \u201CHere is a small group of New Zealanders who want to be recognised by special legislation over and above the common law, so this is what we will provide for them. They are particularly shrill in the way they have caused this to come about, so we will indeed give them this framework of civil union, which they say is different from a marriage.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EI heard the Hon Paul Swain say he could not support civil union being equivalent to marriage, yet time and time again we have asked the Minister to explain to us what the difference is, and he has failed to do so. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EIn terms of the Labour Government\u2019s concerns as to the myths relating to civil union, it has put up 10, yet they do not seem to be able to stand very close scrutiny\u2014for instance, its third one: \u201CDoesn\u2019t this bill affect only a tiny minority of New Zealanders?\u201D. Time and time again we have heard the rhetoric that there are in the order of 330,000 New Zealanders in de facto relationships and a small number of same-sex couples who would be affected by this legislation. That indeed is true, but what we do not hear is, on the one hand, the number who would be likely to take advantage of this bill and, on the other hand, how many would be quite satisfied to design their own common law contract. This is the point I am making. Surely, in historical terms, this is an over-reaction. Surely, the greater freedom that we have in this country is the ability to be able to form a union under common law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022 data-id=\u00229f3da899c6ba48ab9340e23b0c6577ef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229f3da899c6ba48ab9340e23b0c6577ef\u0022\u003EMARC ALEXANDER (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to make just a few points based on the commentary we have heard in the past. If this bill goes through, the sun will still shine and the birds will still sing tomorrow. The world will not end. But this bill is a bill that this country does not need, full stop. I too would like to see tolerance. I would like to see tolerance towards those who do hold marriage sacred, who do not want a carbon-copy mockery of it handed out to people who only want social approval but none of the inherent responsibilities attendant on the Marriage Act. I also want to see respectfulness and loving relationships, but we do not need law for that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022\u003EThere are a number of gay people in this Chamber and out in the community who are in longstanding relationships, and that is to be commended. That is great, but a law is not needed. The fact that those relationships survive proves the point: we do not need legislation to try to support that; it happens regardless. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022\u003EThis bill is nothing more than about formalising an arrangement pushed along by a social agenda that is not publicly demanded\u2014for the simple reason, I guess, of trying to legitimise a want. It is more about scratching an itch that is in the public. There is absolutely no need for it whatsoever. It is not the job of Governments to legislate such things. It is not the job of Governments to give people a qualitative analysis on the type of relationship they have, loving or otherwise. Many gay relationships last much longer and are of a far better quality than some marriages, but that is not the issue. The Marriage Act\u2014the act of marriage\u2014is all about the support of the children who are a natural consequence of that relationship. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022\u003ESuch consequences do not normally ensue from the types of relationships that civil union is supposed to cover. In fact, if children were involved, the guardianship laws would kick in. So again, there is no need for the State to intervene. We have categories for just about everybody now\u2014de facto, civil union perhaps, marriage, divorce, and on and on it goes. We will end up in a situation where we will legitimate 4 million types of relationships, simply because people want them and not because they actually need them. There is no necessity for this law at all. In fact, the very arguments that are put forward in favour of it are not even considered in the bill. They will be addressed down the track next year with the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill, which we have yet to see in its detail. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022\u003EThis bill is also absolutely and utterly short-sighted. It is not the job of the Government to change such a fundamental aspect of our civil society without there being a clear mandate from the people. Given the differences of opinion in the House and the community, it seems reasonable, I think, that the people should decide. That would be the most representative thing for this Government to do. So, certainly, I will be supporting the referendum call. But the bill is also short-sighted because it does not address the questions of civil union in terms of its impact on the relationship between civil union and marriage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022\u003EFor example, if this bill passes, people will be able to get civil union in New Zealand, then go overseas to a country that does not recognise civil unions, and get married to somebody else. Upon returning to New Zealand with a spouse from another country, is the person a bigamist? |A person\u2019s civil union is recognised in this country; will we recognise that person\u2019s marriage in another country? How will that work? I would love that question to be addressed. Another country that does not recognise a person\u2019s civil union registered in New Zealand will be more than happy to register that person\u2019s marriage to a different person in that country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022\u003EWhat does that make a person? From that other country\u2019s point of view he or she is not a bigamist, but from this country\u2019s point of view he or she might be, because according to the law in this country, people cannot be in a civil union and married at the same time. Where are the legal boundaries here? It makes absolutely no sense to me. It actually creates a problem that is not already there, which is simply that a person can be in a civil union with one person, and married to another person somewhere else. That, I think, needs to be addressed. I would love to hear a call from the sponsor of this bill to address exactly that concern. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002204ed8007-24ee-45fb-ab8e-8573da79b238\u0022\u003EI just end on this note: this bill is about legitimating wants. That is all it is. Some small segment of the population has stuck its hand up, and said: \u201CI have a want.\u201D It is cloaked in the language of rights, but it is not that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022acb6a053-bcf3-4936-8684-af4d6876983d\u0022 data-id=\u00220e4a46e488c3488aa93589910c6e12b4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022acb6a053-bcf3-4936-8684-af4d6876983d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220e4a46e488c3488aa93589910c6e12b4\u0022\u003EJANET MACKEY (Labour\u2014East Coast):\u003C/span\u003E I say in response to the member who has just resumed his seat that there can often be contradictions between jurisdictions in countries that have different laws. We have a situation now where same-sex couples who have a civil union in another jurisdiction come to New Zealand and do not have that relationship recognised here. Those situations are not completely restricted to this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022acb6a053-bcf3-4936-8684-af4d6876983d\u0022\u003EI take a very practical view on this legislation. This is the first call I have taken in the debate on it. I do not share the almost hysterical view coming through in some of the speeches we have heard in this Chamber, and neither, I believe, do most New Zealanders. Given that I have 56,000 people in my electorate, very few have contacted me. Those who have fall into three distinct groups. The first group comprises people who have been sent along as part of a congregation, either with a form letter or to express their views to me, and I have listened to them. They deliver a view that I do not share but that I am very happy to respect their right to hold. The second group comprises those people who wish to enter into a civil contract because that is the only option available to them under New Zealand law, and they are people who are in a gay relationship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022acb6a053-bcf3-4936-8684-af4d6876983d\u0022\u003EThere is a third group of people, a small number of whom have contacted me, and I understand exactly what they are talking about because their situation is the same as mine. They are the people who are in a de facto relationship and are not necessarily looking to formalise their relationship in the form of marriage. I feel, personally, that it would be wrong for me to formalise my relationship in a marriage, given that that is seen to be the cornerstone of the Church in this country. Yet currently I have no other option. I voted against the clause in the Property (Relationships) Bill that would mean that I would be statutorily tied in by this Parliament to having a formalised relationship. I voted against it, because that had not been my choice. A civil union would actually be a choice that I could make\u2014the same as other New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022acb6a053-bcf3-4936-8684-af4d6876983d\u0022\u003EI have been bitterly disappointed in some of the speeches I have heard in the House. I have been bitterly disappointed to hear this issue raised as being about nothing more than gay marriage, and I have said to my colleague Tim Barnett that I do not want to hear him referring to this bill exclusively in terms of gay relationships. It is not just about gay people; it is about a whole lot of New Zealanders who may like to choose to formalise their relationship in front of friends and family. I have never considered going to a lawyer and paying $5,000, as an alternative to having this Parliament recognise my right to have a type of relationship. I would say to all those people that when they take away all the fluff and bother from this issue and start thinking about what they believe in and the sort of country they want to live in, the best response they can have to the people who come to their offices and say: \u201CDon\u2019t vote for it.\u201D is to give them some of United Future\u2019s speeches and Brian Connell\u2019s speeches and say: \u201CIs this the sort of country you want to live in?\u201D. The response I have usually had is \u201CNo, and you do what you believe is right.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b63935ee-d78b-43a8-a3bc-996e7951fb9b\u0022 data-id=\u00228b78d419f4994523b8168f12e40aa2c1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b63935ee-d78b-43a8-a3bc-996e7951fb9b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228b78d419f4994523b8168f12e40aa2c1\u0022\u003ER DOUG WOOLERTON (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Like the previous speaker, I have not taken part in this debate to date, and I want to mention just a couple of matters. I am opposed to the Civil Union Bill, and I too think the issue should be put to a referendum. One could ask why the Government would not want to do that. We know that this Labour Government is the most poll-driven Government ever. So it cannot be said that it does not know what the majority of New Zealanders think on this issue. In fact, the majority of people think that this bill should not be passed. That is why there will not be a referendum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b63935ee-d78b-43a8-a3bc-996e7951fb9b\u0022\u003EThis Labour Government sees itself as a Government that should legislate for minorities. It wants to be elected by the majority, it seeks the vote of the majority, then having got that vote, it sees its role, its only role, as legislating for minorities. I will not go through the list of legislation that has been passed under that thought process, because everybody in this Parliament and in the country knows that is what has happened over the past few years. So this legislation is not about what the people think; this is not about what the majority thinks; this is about what this particular Government thinks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b63935ee-d78b-43a8-a3bc-996e7951fb9b\u0022\u003EIt is even more than that, because under an MMP way of governing there are not only constituencies but also interest groups. The people who are affected by this bill are an interest group that the Labour Party in particular sees as its own. So it is in the Labour Government\u2019s interest to pass this legislation, not just for all the wonderful reasons we hear the proponents of this bill putting forward in the House, not only for the good of the country, but for their own particular votes. This is an area that the Government sees itself as having locked up for itself. Labour has pandered to this group of people, and it now has to deliver to this group of people. That is the way it is. Whether that is right or wrong depends on one\u2019s view. I do not view it as being right. I view it as being wrong, and I am voting against this bill for that reason and a number of others.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b63935ee-d78b-43a8-a3bc-996e7951fb9b\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First believes that these sorts of issues should be put to a referendum\u2014indeed, a binding referendum\u2014and we have gone so far as to adopt that as policy. But because the Government knows that it would not like the result, it is not interested in that course of action. Then we could have a great big philosophical debate about whether the Government is governing in the interests of the majority for the minority, or whether it is governing in the interests of the majority for the majority, or whether it is governing in its own interests. I suggest that it is certainly not governing in the interests of the majority.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221a705910-5320-43bf-aa82-027a761519f6\u0022 data-id=\u00224f05bd2c84494b18a83731e56d5ace8c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a705910-5320-43bf-aa82-027a761519f6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224f05bd2c84494b18a83731e56d5ace8c\u0022\u003ERUSSELL FAIRBROTHER (Labour\u2014Napier):\u003C/span\u003E I want to speak in this debate in support of the Civil Union Bill, and, as I do so, I want to approach what I consider to be the most intelligent and powerful opposition to the bill, and that is that which comes from the Catholic Church. On Sunday the Church sent a message to a number of its parishes indicating that parishioners should look at the voting patterns of MPs. That suggested some form of electoral threat or electoral suicide, and I feared that might have been in the place of logic.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a705910-5320-43bf-aa82-027a761519f6\u0022\u003EHowever, I looked further at what the bishops said, and they criticised a bill that allows same-sex couples to form relationships with the same legal standing as marriage. I have heard during the debate in the House a lot of reference to marriage, but no one really defines what it is. It certainly is a union that is confirmed in law\u2014the Marriage Act\u2014and, as we have heard, it is not meddled with. In the dictionary \u201Cmarriage\u201D is defined as a formal agreement between a man and a woman to live together according to the customs of their religion or society. Well, the customs of marriage in the Roman Catholic Church include an additional requirement\u2014that is, an undertaking that one will have children. One assumes that if people do not complete that undertaking, they cannot get married in the Catholic Church. So that is an additional aspect of marriage in the Catholic Church.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a705910-5320-43bf-aa82-027a761519f6\u0022\u003EBut I am interested in the reports of the Catholic bishops\u2019 letter and the preaching on Sunday, because, as members will have heard, 4 years ago the bishops took a stand on same-sex relationships, and in so doing they appeared to answer the cry we hear from Marc Alexander and others saying: \u201CWhere is the need?\u201D and \u201CWhy do we need this legislation?\u201D. In May 2000 the bishops in their national newspaper the National Catholic Reporter opened the report by stating: \u201CNew Zealand Catholic Bishops support legal registration of same-sex unions, though not as a stepping stone to legal marriage.\u201D That position contrasts with recent statements made by Pope John Paul II condemning civic unions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a705910-5320-43bf-aa82-027a761519f6\u0022\u003EThat statement and the following article seem to have set the Catholic Church in a bit of a tizz, and in August of the same year Bishop Cullinane, speaking for New Zealand Catholic Bishops, put out a 4-page explanation of the bishops\u2019 position. It makes very difficult reading but it is probably summarised best in the final paragraph: \u201COur position comes down to this. We support legislation that protects the actual rights of people in homosexual relationships. We do not support legislation that makes the homosexual relationship the basis of their rights. In this respect, their relationship is different from marriage.\u201D I do not know what that means, unless it means that if the legal relationship is based on their sexual activity\u2014and their sexual activity is homosexual\u2014then the bishops do not condone that. If that is what they are saying, that is a fairly candid position. Most people would see it as homophobic, but if it is a faith-based objection to homosexual activity, I can accept that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a705910-5320-43bf-aa82-027a761519f6\u0022\u003EBut a civil union is not determined by the sexual activity of the partners. A civil union is available to two people who want to express publicly their commitment to one another in a long-term relationship. Whether or not they engage in sex at all is a private matter, not a matter for anybody else at all. Whether they be heterosexual or homosexual does not imply sexual activity. A civil union is a case of two people wanting to share the benefits, as defined in the dictionary, of a union according to the customs of their religion or society. If one has a religion that is opposed on a faith basis to homosexuality, then one would preclude homosexuals from marriage under the Marriage Act, but one would not preclude them from a civil union, which this bill provides.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a705910-5320-43bf-aa82-027a761519f6\u0022\u003ESo I think the Catholic Church has been a little inconsistent in its public utterances on this matter, but perhaps that is the way it has been reported, and perhaps the real objection is to the condition of homosexuality, it being a basic sin that the Church can never bring itself to endorse and embrace. If that is the Church\u2019s position, let us accept that, but that does not imply that it speaks against civil unions. In fact, implicit in the Church\u2019s view is that it endorses civil unions, but not if that is seen to be condoning homosexuality. So we have a slight difference, and that is on this question of the sexual activity of the partners.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a705910-5320-43bf-aa82-027a761519f6\u0022\u003EThe other aspect that the Church is seen to oppose is the vows that are taken in a civil union, although the word \u201Cvow\u201D is not really used; it is a promise that is provided for in the second part of this bill. It is a promise between two people, made formally, which then has legal standing\u2014as opposed to Mr Ardern\u2019s interpretation of it\u2014that is unchallengeable. They are in a civil union, and are therefore linked as partners in that union. That, then, is the short key to identifying the lack of discrimination that follows in all other legislation. We cannot have the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill without the Civil Union Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cb5e591b-8ffc-4539-a900-1ee22224f7d7\u0022 data-id=\u0022158f12fba2b44103aa16eb275f7a3890\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cb5e591b-8ffc-4539-a900-1ee22224f7d7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022158f12fba2b44103aa16eb275f7a3890\u0022\u003EDEBORAH CODDINGTON (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I voted against this bill up until the Committee stage, and now I am voting in favour of it. I still stand by the reasons why I voted against it. I think it is discriminatory. I think it is politically correct in its language and in its drafting. I think many of those promoting it are using nauseatingly politically correct language. I would rather have seen a situation where gay people could marry each other in the same way as heterosexual people can, and where the only barrier to their marrying each other would be the right of the institution to say no\u2014a church, or a celebrant, or a venue that might not wish to marry gay people, or might not wish to marry heterosexual people. But, unfortunately, they already cannot do that, and they will further be barred from doing that because of human rights legislation. There will be unintended consequences from the legislation, because of the banning of discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation, which we have in the human rights legislation, and that legislation, I believe, should be repealed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cb5e591b-8ffc-4539-a900-1ee22224f7d7\u0022\u003ESo I took an all-or-nothing attitude when I voted against this bill. I did not oppose it on the spurious grounds that we have heard\u2014that marriage should be a loving relationship between a man and a woman. There are many marriages between men and women that are anything but loving. I did not oppose the bill on the ground that it does not protect children. There are heterosexual couples who should never be anywhere near children. I have done numerous stories as a journalist on child abuse, and the ones who were beaten to death were always beaten to death when they were in the care of people in a so-called loving heterosexual relationship. I have done much research on sex offenders and paedophiles, and there is nothing in that research that shows that homosexual men can be likened to paedophiles or sex offenders. They do not prey on children\u2014that is mostly done by heterosexual men and paedophiles. So this bill is not a threat to the fabric of society, as many are claiming.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cb5e591b-8ffc-4539-a900-1ee22224f7d7\u0022\u003EThe damage to children is horrendous if any relationship falls to pieces, and most parents, I believe, do everything they can to prevent the fall-out for children when relationships fall apart, whether those parents are gay, heterosexual, or single. Nobody is perfect. We have heard talk about the next step being gay people being allowed to adopt children. What is wrong with anyone wanting to adopt children? It is better that children are adopted by people who want one so much that they will give it a loving home.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cb5e591b-8ffc-4539-a900-1ee22224f7d7\u0022\u003EI am personally painfully aware of the damage that can be done to children when relationships fail and fall apart. It is probably because I know about that damage that the strongest voice I have heard in this debate, the voice that has made me rethink the way I am voting, is the voice of my own children. I am not saying that they dictate what I do\u2014Lord knows, we would all be bankrupt if we did what our children dictated\u2014but my youngest daughter, who will be a first-time voter at the next election, took huge flak for the fact that I voted against this bill. I tried to explain to her the reasons why I was voting against it. I realised, when I went into a discussion with her, that it was not about me. I am over 50; this bill is not going to affect me. I might like to marry again or I might not. The point is that I can; I have that choice. She said to me that her friends will not have that choice. Many of her gay friends do not have that choice. They might like to get married in the future. Who knows? They know that this bill is not perfect, but it is the best they can have, and they might like to have a civil union. Without this bill they cannot have that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cb5e591b-8ffc-4539-a900-1ee22224f7d7\u0022\u003ESo I am voting for this bill now. I am also supporting the amendment calling for a referendum so that this issue can go to the country and the country can decide before the bill receives the royal assent. But I am voting for it because I think this is essentially a young person\u2019s issue. It is not about boring old biddies like me. We have our choices. When I sent a text message to my daughter yesterday and told her I would be voting for the bill, she sent a message back: \u201CYea! Well done mum. I\u2019m so proud of you.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022 data-id=\u002274d9c46ba4d24ac199a585bcf8f40a58\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002274d9c46ba4d24ac199a585bcf8f40a58\u0022\u003EPETER BROWN (Deputy Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I am pleased to be taking a call because I am delighted to follow Deborah Coddington. With due respect to her, I say that she has flip-flopped a bit, but she qualified her outlook on this bill right at the end when she said she would support a public referendum. That is exactly my position, and exactly the position of all my New Zealand First colleagues.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003EThis bill causes me quite some discomfort. I cannot vote for this bill and push it through knowing that significant numbers of New Zealanders oppose it, and oppose it for very good reasons. This bill, it is alleged, undermines the social fabric of this country. I tend to support that view. Maybe I am in the same category as my colleague Dail Jones, who described himself as a conservative redneck. I would not describe myself as that, but I feel quite uncomfortable about this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003EThere has been much discussion coming from MPs about their personal experiences. Those experiences have all been very interesting but, with all due respect, they are irrelevant to this bill. Some say that this legislation will not undermine their marriages. They might well be correct. Some say it will not undermine the institution of marriage. I would challenge that view. I believe it does undermine the institution of marriage in as much as it gives another choice, a cheaper choice, that weakens the institution of marriage\u2014and the word \u201Cweaken\u201D is in the definition of the word \u201Cundermine\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003ELet me talk about individuals. I think that even my colleague Brian Donnelly said he could not see that this bill would have any effect on his daughter who is getting married very soon. That idea does not occur to him one iota. Well, the bill might affect her. He does not know. How do I know that when I walk home one night my wife will not say: \u201CI\u2019m sick of this marriage. You\u2019re always down in Wellington. I want a civil union.\u201D How do I know she will not? [Interruption] I know that because I have known her for many years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228fc4d009d7054d07954a43e6ad1f308d\u0022\u003ELianne Dalziel\u003C/span\u003E: Just ask her, for goodness\u2019 sake!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c569199c4dba4d949b6f1e6444354347\u0022\u003EPETER BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: The member puts her nose in the air. I can tell her that there will be New Zealanders who will walk home one night and find their marriages will be ended and their partners will want civil unions, as a result of this bill. If that is not going to be the case, why should we put the clause in here? Members know that that will occur. Why should we put the clause in otherwise? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003EThis legislation is a significant change to the structure, the fabric, of New Zealand society. I listened very carefully to the honourable member over there, and he made some very good points. He was wrong on some occasions but he made some very good points. Yet I believe that this bill will change society, and many New Zealanders believe that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003EWe have been told by Government members how great New Zealanders are, how fair they are, how tolerant they are, and how understanding they are. I agree with that 100 percent. New Zealanders are very tolerant, fair, and objective. So New Zealand First says, and I say, that we should put this issue to the public. We have heard Government members saying that the public supports the bill holus-bolus. Well, let them have their opportunity. It is neither fair nor reasonable and nor does it show tolerance to say that 120 of us know better than the 2.5 million of the voting public out there. That is not fair, that is not tolerant, and that does not show understanding. This is the sort of legislation that should go to the public for a binding referendum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003EI say to Government members that if the amendment in the name of my colleague the Hon Brian Donnelly is agreed to, they might find that 13 New Zealand First members vote for the bill. They might find that we are 100 percent behind the bill, if it is allowed to go to the public for a referendum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003EThis bill will affect marriage in the negative and it will affect people\u2019s attitude to marriage. I am a little bit old-fashioned. I know members over there cannot tell that from where they are sitting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246ae8fb0294044dab6c06b6200a84e7b\u0022\u003EDarren Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s dress sense gives it away.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bdc529fa95b9476f87bc11c7699bc69b\u0022\u003EPETER BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: The member has woken up! If I had my way, I would put marriage on a pedestal, because it is a commitment between a man and a woman based around creating, enhancing, and developing a family, and that is something really special. But we have downgraded it bit by bit, and this legislation will downgrade it even further. I am sad that the bill is going through in the way it is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022 data-id=\u00225d7a34e52a1c448697a7071e6db39940\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225d7a34e52a1c448697a7071e6db39940\u0022\u003EHon MARIAN HOBBS (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak on the bill. It is incredibly important to me. I really welcomed Deborah Coddington\u2019s comments about the response to her children\u2019s point of view. I too have post - 21-year-old children who share their views of society as they know it in their age\u2014views that are pretty similar to those of Deborah Coddington\u2019s kids, as well. So I really appreciate those views, and I have shared in some of those discussions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003EFirst of all, I want to make quite clear why I am supporting the bill. I am supporting it on a conscience vote. I have watched and listened to the debate as it has gone on, and I believe that there are some in the Opposition who are trying to play party politics with the legislation. This is a matter of conscience. It is a matter for me that has been a matter of conscience since I made my first speech on homosexual law reform at my first Labour conference in 1971. The vote at that particular time happened to be lost, but I made my first speech then on the issue. This is very personal and very real to me. So I am making this speech and casting my vote not as a member of the Labour Party, of which I am particularly proud, but as Marian Hobbs, an individual, exercising her conscience.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003EThat is not because I am seeking promotion, as was said by Dr Nick Smith last night, who cast aspersions on all of us that we were following a particular way because we were people who wanted to curry favour. No, I support it because of my own personal conscience, not because I am pandering to one sector of the community. This bill honours people from whatever sector of the community they come, rainbow or straight, in relation to what is being offered\u2014which was the issue raised before by Doug Woolerton.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003EI also comment that this is not rushed legislation. Well over a year ago as this legislation was being debated and argued through, and as the bills were being written, I went to my Wellington Central electorate, which I am extremely proud of, and in my normal newsletter to electorate members I asked for their comments on the proposed legislation. I got back an overwhelming response supporting it. I have had letters and I have had visits, and I have dealt with all of those.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003EI really loved the story Mark Peck told yesterday about having a woman in his office who strongly believed that homosexuality was wrong. I have also had people in my office who strongly believe that homosexuality is wrong and that this legislation will affect the faith of the country. Mark Peck told the woman that the bill had a conscience vote and asked her whether, if she were in his place, she would vote according to what he wanted. But she said, \u201CNo way! I\u2019ll vote my way.\u201D Well, that is what I am doing; I am voting my way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003EHowever, I have listened and, as I said, I know that my electorate supports my point of view. My emails, which are absolutely taking off at the moment, are running a hundred to one in favour of the legislation. My emails are just taking off. I know I have been out of the country for a week, but I am still desperately clearing through them. They are a hundred to one in favour of this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003EWhy do I support civil union? I support civil union because it gives choice to New Zealanders. When it comes to the notion of civil union and State recognition of a relationship, I rather enjoy the notion of the European practice, which is that one signs and then it is acknowledged that one has joined in a relationship as regards the State. There is an optional church ceremony, and the blending of the two is kept far apart. I really like the notion of separation of church and State.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003EThat is why I took some exception to the comments of Judy Turner last night when she said that marriage was about breeding units, and she therefore opposed the recognition by the State of non-breeding units. Frankly, I found that fairly offensive, and I also found it a very limiting view of a relationship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003EI was brought up in the Catholic church. My mother was a nun and my father was a Jesuit seminarian. I come from a strong Catholic family. I have a sister who was a nun and a brother who was a seminarian so, gee, I have had it in my head all my life. But it was that limiting view, which dictated that marriage was about breeding units, that said to me as a young married that I could not use contraceptives within my marriage. I was detailed to be \u201Ca breeding unit\u201D and I was not therefore able to control how I managed the children coming into my family. I now have a very different view of relationships, and I strongly support this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022 data-id=\u0022498608047d3a4923a7bc8b030250a2a3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022498608047d3a4923a7bc8b030250a2a3\u0022\u003EMURRAY SMITH (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E One of the problems with the Civil Union Bill is that the solution the Government has come up with creates two types of relationships\u2014two types, in my view, of marriage. That will create quite unintentional consequences, particularly in international situations. Whilst within New Zealand we have a provision in the Civil Union Bill that states that one cannot be both married and in a civil union, situations can readily arise on the international scene where that is exactly what will happen. I give the example of a man and a woman who enter into a civil union in New Zealand and then travel overseas to a jurisdiction that does not recognise civil unions\u2014perhaps to the United States of America. As far the United States is concerned, they are single people. They then split up, and the man gets married in the United States and then returns with his new wife to New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EWhat is the situation in New Zealand? The situation is that the man has a civil union with one partner in New Zealand and, because New Zealand recognises all marriages overseas and people do not have to go through any registration process for it, New Zealand also recognises the United States marriage. Therefore, a person can be in a civil union relationship and in a marriage relationship, and both are recognised as valid within New Zealand. What sort of situation will we have then?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207b0dc74538946869f5e90bdf1732dd4\u0022\u003EHon David Benson-Pope\u003C/span\u003E: Bigamy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ff314259459471bb214ebf746a9a415\u0022\u003EMURRAY SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: No, it is not bigamy, as the Minister in the chair, David Benson-Pope, seems to suggest, because that person has married, legitimately, in a different jurisdiction. The fact that the person has returned to New Zealand would not suddenly make the second relationship bigamous, given that it was not bigamous at the time it was entered into. So we will have that sort of problem. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EThe recognition of overseas relationships in the bill, in clause 34, \u201CRegulations\u201D, will also create problems. In all but two countries, the registration process is a lesser process than the one we are looking at. There is simply a registration process, without the ceremonial aspects and without the extent of rights that the Government intends to provide for people who have a civil union, so that when people who enter into a civil union overseas come to New Zealand they will automatically gain substantially more rights in New Zealand than they had in the overseas jurisdiction in which they entered into the union. That will create complications in terms of overseas property issues. Whereas overseas those people may not have certain rights to property that a married couple might have, when they come to New Zealand they will have those rights. They will have rights in respect of property overseas that stem from the recognition of their relationship within New Zealand, which they would not have if they tried to enforce those rights overseas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003E That in itself will also create huge complications. It has been created because this Government has insisted on making, at the very best, two parallel types of relationship, instead of facing the issue directly and simply trying to get through the House amendments to the Marriage Act to provide for same-sex relationships. Whenever we try to get parallel forms that are almost identical, we will inevitably get those complications. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EIf this is not same-sex marriage, then my colleague Larry Baldock\u2019s amendment ought to be adopted by the Committee. That amendment makes it very clear that a couple cannot convert their civil union into marriage unless it consists of a man and a woman. If this Government and the supporters of this bill are serious about preserving marriage for a man and a woman, then here is their opportunity to put that on the line. Here is the opportunity to make the clear declaration that marriage will not be changed to make it available for people of the same sex. I will be very interested to see how people vote on that issue. This is an amendment for honesty. This amendment tests the honesty of the opponents who say that, effectively, marriage will be preserved for a man and a woman only. Let us see whether they live up to that expectation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EThe lesson we learn from this procedure is that we need to hear the concerns of minority groups and address their needs, not their wants. The needs of the homosexual community, in particular, have been akin to next-of-kin criteria. Their wants are acceptance by society that homosexual relationships be provided with exactly the same benefits as heterosexual relationships. I do not agree that that is the case. The only reason the Government and society get involved in endorsing marriage is the importance of protecting and nurturing the circumstances in which the next generation will be raised. Homosexual relationships do not do that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229df41e27-6082-4bc7-9fda-bab499cb9246\u0022 data-id=\u0022cb5aa51d9c384790b7a67246ac8c0706\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229df41e27-6082-4bc7-9fda-bab499cb9246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cb5aa51d9c384790b7a67246ac8c0706\u0022\u003EHELEN DUNCAN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022 data-id=\u002229ec4aca8c9044ea9a925f5492dfb2df\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002229ec4aca8c9044ea9a925f5492dfb2df\u0022\u003ECRAIG McNAIR (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I appreciate being able to take a call on Part 2. I say to the Committee that this bill should be called the \u201CWe Don\u2019t Care What You Think Because We Will Do What We Want and Push Through Our Liberal Leftie Agenda Bill\u201D, because that is what this Government is doing. We asked the members on the opposite side of the Chamber, and the Green members, why they did not support a referendum; why, if they are really that confident that this bill will pass, they would not support the referendum that New Zealand First has proposed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b288c4e3a51480781b2cf5b646b1530\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: They don\u2019t like democracy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cdae1b5560764024b4251e997b70f867\u0022\u003ECRAIG McNAIR\u003C/span\u003E: Labour does not like democracy. Labour is a party for the minority. It is not a party for the people. That is what New Zealand First is saying. Labour should stop being a party of the minority and start being a party of the people. All members of Parliament would like to think they are politicians for the people. Well, this Government is not showing that. Ministers and members of Parliament who have stood up in the last couple of days to speak on this bill have gone about slagging the US Government and the people in 11 different states of the United States who have voted against civil union and gay marriage. Members have said that those people basically are intolerant and are bigots because they do not agree with their view. That is what this Government is saying. This is a poll-driven Government\u2014we all know that. It has done the numbers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b63935ee-d78b-43a8-a3bc-996e7951fb9b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d39e786413a94a1cbd588e25ac29b013\u0022\u003ER Doug Woolerton\u003C/span\u003E: You are right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c0143c94db5e40dd965b4192c10a3240\u0022\u003ECRAIG McNAIR\u003C/span\u003E: The member says I am right. Everybody knows that this is a poll-driven Government, and it has done the numbers. The Government knows that it would lose this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003EWhen I spoke to the Committee on Part 1, I brought up the scenario of the state of Oregon, which is probably more like us as a country. It is a more liberal state. It is on the west coast\u2014it is close to Hollywood and California\u2014and it is not a Bible Belt state, but even Oregon voted against this issue. We saw the TV3 poll last week. As the voting comes to the crunch, people are starting to think about the whole issue and are asking themselves how this will affect our nation, not in 10, 20, or 30 years, but in 50 or 100 years. They are asking what is best for this nation. At the end of the day, the New Zealand voter will go into a polling booth and say that this will not be good for our nation in the future. That is what the Labour Government, the Green Party and the Minister in the chair, David Benson-Pope, are afraid of. Those \u201CFui\u201D posters are really true: they say that civil unions are not gay marriage\u2014\u201CYeah Right\u201D. We know that this is gay marriage. This bill is basically taken out of the Marriage Act. It is the same thing. People are just fooling themselves if they think this is not gay marriage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003EThe reason I want to talk about a referendum and why we should let the people decide on this one is that many people out there have a lot of concerns. Those people would like to have their say. David and Christine Sloane wrote to me and said: \u201CDear Mr McNair, we are very concerned about the current Civil Union Bill and the relationship bill before Parliament, and we thank you for your continued opposition to these bills. We oppose these bills in their entirety, and we hope you will receive support and encouragement from the views of the many thousands of people who made submissions that were strongly against the introduction of these bills. We believe that marriage needs to be protected and promoted in law, because it offers unique benefits to children and society. These bills effectively say that marriage has no special value to New Zealand. It is a well-known fact that good marriage relationships are instrumental in developing stable family life for children to grow up in, as well as being the foundation for communities and society to build upon. We believe the majority of New Zealanders do not want the Civil Union Bill or the relationships bill introduced and we urge you to use any influence you have in giving support, with the aim of defeating these bills. New Zealanders from all walks of life are proud of their history, their culture, their values, and the way we all contribute to society. We urge you not to be part of any process that devalues or waters down any of the foundations or principles we value. Please continue to vote against the introduction of the Civil Union Bill and the relationships bill.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222a849ed4-a817-45a7-8b86-dbc9dd210193\u0022 data-id=\u0022424364bab3d44a96a36d7c7dff4bb2d5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222a849ed4-a817-45a7-8b86-dbc9dd210193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022424364bab3d44a96a36d7c7dff4bb2d5\u0022\u003EJILL PETTIS (Senior Whip\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022c5ba244c057249e7b660eb0bed0b4cef\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 62\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 57\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022 data-id=\u00223c12a8c6d3ad48a8978bd7b7f0fbc262\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223c12a8c6d3ad48a8978bd7b7f0fbc262\u0022\u003EDARREN HUGHES (Junior Whip\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Mr Chairperson, just before you start putting the questions to the Committee, and further to the conversations that have been held with whips from the other parties in the Chamber, I seek leave for voting to be suspended between the hours of 1 p.m. and 2 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022 data-id=\u0022e7100db1ca41429e95af5d37ee4d0369\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e7100db1ca41429e95af5d37ee4d0369\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave has been sought for that course to be followed. Is there any objection? 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id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000586\u0022\u003ESamuels  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000587\u0022\u003EPettis \u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226e7bfee5-ac9c-4ae2-b85d-7d3b7a785561\u0022 data-id=\u0022b20b541d7c824494b202c26317fc6cf0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e7bfee5-ac9c-4ae2-b85d-7d3b7a785561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b20b541d7c824494b202c26317fc6cf0\u0022\u003EROD DONALD (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I seek leave to correct the previous vote. I have failed to cast a vote for Tariana Turia. She has confirmed with me that she wanted to vote against that previous amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002220a4f69a26bc46719bdf865c284d8645\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave has been sought for that course to be followed. Is there any objection? There appears to be none. It is altered accordingly. On that particular vote, the Noes are now 74.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 1 p.m. to 2 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to the heading of clause 8A be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022f3e1b38f34d144d0afc47a7b59ecd8e5\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      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\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000839\u0022\u003Eto omit the words \u201C(except by changing the form of their relationship in accordance with section 18)\u201D.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002231988363a5764c38977e1bafb125caa9\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 46\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 74\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000840\u0022\u003EAdams 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id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000958\u0022\u003EDuncan  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000959\u0022\u003EKedgley  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000960\u0022\u003ESamuels  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000961\u0022\u003EPettis \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083000962\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to omit clause 9 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226541c69c338842779204c74c9852b7e3\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp 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COPELAND (Whip\u2014United Future):\u003C/span\u003E I seek the leave of the Committee to take the remaining votes on Richard Worth\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper 314 as one single personal vote.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083001580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002245bd7335576a4044a03a4b072cafd293\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that purpose. 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id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083001943\u0022\u003EHunt  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083001944\u0022\u003ERobson  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083001945\u0022\u003ETeller:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083001946\u0022\u003EDuncan  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083001947\u0022\u003EKedgley  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083001948\u0022\u003ESamuels  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083001949\u0022\u003EPettis \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083001950\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to omit the heading before clause 17 be agreed to. 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id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002188\u0022\u003EDonnelly  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002189\u0022\u003EKedgley\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002190\u0022\u003ERobson  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002191\u0022\u003ETeller:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002192\u0022\u003EDuncan  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002193\u0022\u003EKing  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002194\u0022\u003ESamuels  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002195\u0022\u003EHughes \u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022 data-id=\u00228590a516b790479a837f8ad8d2e5534a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228590a516b790479a837f8ad8d2e5534a\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: The amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to omit clauses 17 and 18 have been ruled out of order because they are inconsistent with a previous decision of the Committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 313 in the name of Larry Baldock to clause 18 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca 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id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002317\u0022\u003EHughes \u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022 data-id=\u00229c77ffa214604596935c0e77b7dcb1b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229c77ffa214604596935c0e77b7dcb1b9\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: The amendments to clauses 19 and 20, the amendment to the heading of clause 21, and the amendments to subclauses (1) and (4) of clause 21 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth have been ruled out of order as they are inconsistent with previous decisions of the Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022bb982d1a1a544d52ac4de6e18248504e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the following amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to clause 21 be agreed to:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 46\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 74\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp 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id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002562\u0022\u003ETeller:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002563\u0022\u003EDuncan  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002564\u0022\u003EKing  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002565\u0022\u003ESamuels  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002566\u0022\u003EHughes \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002567\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to omit clause 24 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222673abc7ae21462c96402aa11c8f906f\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, 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id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ea9715871ac74b92a7813a7319411e9e\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: The amendment in the name of Richard Worth to insert new clause 24B set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 is out of order because it is inconsistent with a previous decision of the Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002814\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to omit subpart 2 of Part 2 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022d4c07d996fc2411bb38c09680f03b158\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called 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id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002936\u0022\u003EHughes \u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022 data-id=\u0022f2a97ad6447149a28027406a1bf1619d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002937\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f2a97ad6447149a28027406a1bf1619d\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: The amendments to the heading and to subclause (1) of clause 29 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth are out of order because they are inconsistent with a previous decision of the Committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002938\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the following amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to clause 29 be agreed to:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083002939\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003Eto omit subclause (2).\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022880ab880baba4e6fbc11f243d73f213a\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 46\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 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CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: We now come to an amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to omit and substitute words in clause 31. 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id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003673\u0022\u003ERobertson  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003674\u0022\u003EDonnelly  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003675\u0022\u003EKedgley  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003676\u0022\u003ERobson  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003677\u0022\u003ETeller:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003678\u0022\u003EDuncan  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003679\u0022\u003EKing  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003680\u0022\u003ESamuels  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003681\u0022\u003EHughes\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226db8fe383d4044af88421c91010be89d\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: The amendments to clause 37 in the name of Richard Worth set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 to omit subclause (1) and to omit and substitute words in subclauses (2) and (3) are out of order, because they are inconsistent with previous decisions of the Committee. The amendment to omit and substitute clause 38 in the name of Richard Worth set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 is also out of order as it is inconsistent with a previous decision of the Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to omit clauses 38A to 43 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022a4ba772ca5074e2d8fa8f22df82c9dda\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003Ehat the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 46\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 74\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003684\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, t\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b0d8b0e0-3ece-4865-9145-5eb5983fc54c\u0022 data-id=\u002201c5eef88eee44609ee4bcfd111a1df5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b0d8b0e0-3ece-4865-9145-5eb5983fc54c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002201c5eef88eee44609ee4bcfd111a1df5\u0022\u003EHon RICHARD PREBBLE (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. Before you declare the vote, an interesting point has been drawn to my attention that I think it requires a ruling from you. We are doing a personal vote under Standing Order 146, which sets out the procedure. It states: \u201C(1)(d) all members present within the Chamber or the lobbies when the doors are locked must vote or record their abstentions:\u201D. This goes back to a similar Standing Order that has existed in the House for over a hundred years, which is that members cannot just sit in their seats; they must vote. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b0d8b0e0-3ece-4865-9145-5eb5983fc54c\u0022\u003EIt has been drawn to my attention that some members continue to sit in their seats in the Chamber, in the belief they can vote by proxy. On a personal vote, I do not believe that a member can do that. I understand that four members have been put down as a proxy vote on this vote, and I think their votes must be recorded in person. As they failed to do that, then under those Standing Orders their votes get recorded in the opposite lobby. I believe that is what should happen in this case. That is what the old rule was. If a member went into the wrong lobby, his or her vote got recorded in the opposite lobby as an encouragement not to do that again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b0d8b0e0-3ece-4865-9145-5eb5983fc54c\u0022\u003EI understand there are four members\u2014there may be more\u2014who cast proxy votes in this vote, when they were present in the Chamber. Those votes certainly should be declared invalid and perhaps recorded in the opposite lobby.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4db947fe4d146eb899b738e2712626a\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member for raising that issue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002272e48ab0-e7ae-427f-bedc-793b7a91adba\u0022 data-id=\u002287134a0c0a394c05bc94dc5f44ee51e4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002272e48ab0-e7ae-427f-bedc-793b7a91adba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002287134a0c0a394c05bc94dc5f44ee51e4\u0022\u003EHon MARK BURTON (Deputy Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Perhaps I could speak to the point of order. It is an interesting issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208cce60c17c24a5ca57f9c96b9c2abda\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: It is an interesting issue, and the member is absolutely right. I was about to ask the member what he suggests we should do about it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002272e48ab0-e7ae-427f-bedc-793b7a91adba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291e75161e6174b2e9a0e9ff329b1cbba\u0022\u003EHon MARK BURTON\u003C/span\u003E: Although, obviously, it is in your province to make a judgment on this matter, Mr Chairman, now that it has been raised, surely the thing of most import to the Committee is that the intent of members is clear and that their vote is appropriately recorded. If a whip is holding a proxy for a member, then the member\u2019s intent is clear. It seems to me it would be quite inappropriate if the end result were that the member\u2019s vote either was recorded opposite to his or her clear intent or was not counted at all, when he or she had properly indicated his or her intention to the whip. Although Mr Prebble has raised an interesting point, I think good sense and natural justice would suggest that\u2014even if from this point forward you determine that a different practice should be followed\u2014it would be a gross injustice to overturn the obvious intention of a member in casting his or her vote. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022 data-id=\u00225b03b566f45e48d49937092f7c007b8a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225b03b566f45e48d49937092f7c007b8a\u0022\u003ESIMON POWER (Senior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I seek clarification on the point of order. Certainly, in the votes I have been involved with in the Ayes lobby, proxies for people who were either in the queue to vote or in the Chamber were not recorded as proxy votes. If, indeed, in some cases they were, then when the member arrived at the point of casting the personal vote, the vote was amended on the sheet to record that it was not a proxy vote. In other words, if the member was present in either the lobby or the Chamber, that was certainly taken into account in the way the votes were tallied in the Ayes lobby. In fact, earlier in the day when voting was taking place with considerably more members in the Chamber\u2014if I am able to say that\u2014we took some care to make sure that when party whips or representatives of the whips cast those votes and the teller saw those members in the queue, then their vote was not recorded as a proxy, and we waited for them to reach the teller. That was my understanding as to how those votes were to be recorded, in accordance with the advice that has been given by the Hon Richard Prebble.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022acb6a053-bcf3-4936-8684-af4d6876983d\u0022 data-id=\u00226e8cc5402fe140ef898fae04923b41c9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003693\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022acb6a053-bcf3-4936-8684-af4d6876983d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226e8cc5402fe140ef898fae04923b41c9\u0022\u003EJANET MACKEY (Labour\u2014East Coast):\u003C/span\u003E I think there is quite a simple solution to this. It seems to me that the House recognises votes that are either cast in person or by proxy. I think that the Standing Order refers to people sitting in this Chamber and not declaring themselves for, against, or as an abstention. I believe that the House does recognise a proxy vote as being the same as the member having voted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022 data-id=\u0022b6f18bd8037f4b3e8b776fb833968171\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b6f18bd8037f4b3e8b776fb833968171\u0022\u003EDAIL JONES (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I can give my own experience. A short while ago I was in the Chamber. Gordon Copeland knew I was here, and he would not accept the fact that I had not come up to the queue. I was asked to go and cross my name off the list, because Gordon Copeland knew I was here. That is what I did, even though my whip held a proxy for me. So at least as far as this side of the voting is concerned the rule as it is in the Standing Orders has been carried out, because we have all understood that to be the rule. If perhaps the other side has not understood that to be the rule, well, four votes off will make no difference on this occasion. However, the lesson will be well and truly learnt.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220efa60d830b44784a15afff9aaa3ab86\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: I thank members for their assistance. The point was properly raised. If that had been happening, it is against the Standing Orders. There is no doubt about that. The votes have been declared\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022 data-id=\u0022ec37d385b4b249f1be3e29559c7e349e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ec37d385b4b249f1be3e29559c7e349e\u0022\u003EDAIL JONES (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. That is not right. We made it quite clear. You were about to say something, and we knew the rule. Mr Prebble raised a point of order, before you declared the vote. It was very, very clear.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd24ba8876ef4702857febc1e9c0db17\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. I am dealing with other votes. I am not sure which ones Mr Prebble is referring to. This vote has not been declared. Because of that, I intend to ask the tellers to come back and look at their lists for this particular vote and ask whether there are any other members present who wish to have their votes counted. It has been my understanding that up till now the proper course has been followed, and I trust the whips completely. But in respect of this vote\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b0d8b0e0-3ece-4865-9145-5eb5983fc54c\u0022 data-id=\u0022bfc3fc10b8dd44eea8703d0737a8b29f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b0d8b0e0-3ece-4865-9145-5eb5983fc54c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bfc3fc10b8dd44eea8703d0737a8b29f\u0022\u003EHon RICHARD PREBBLE (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. If you are going to do that, then I think it might be an appropriate course to do the vote again; to just allow members to go into the lobbies, and, if there are members here who have not voted\u2014I understand there are four\u2014to allow them to go and cast their votes correctly. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e78d44114582464ca0737d6373d83476\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: We can do that, and we will proceed along those lines. 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id=\u0022b0d8b0e0-3ece-4865-9145-5eb5983fc54c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e8b66435232a4c8c91d9c9a1c8866f99\u0022\u003EHon RICHARD PREBBLE (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. We now have a further dilemma, in that there are previous votes that have been recorded and apparently acknowledged incorrectly. I have been looking at the Standing Orders to see what the result of that is, and I find there are a number of alternatives, some of which are rather wearying. One is in Standing Order 153, \u201CErrors and mistakes\u201D, states: \u201C(1) In the case of confusion or error concerning the result of a vote, the House, unless any error can be otherwise corrected, proceeds to a second vote.\u201D We have had a number of votes where members\u2019 votes have been recorded by proxy when they were present. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003823\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b0d8b0e0-3ece-4865-9145-5eb5983fc54c\u0022\u003EThe next dilemma is this: Speaker\u2019s ruling 64/2 states: \u201CNo convention or Standing Order requires a member (present within the Chamber or lobbies) who fails to vote should cast the vote one way or the other. The Standing Order allowing the Speaker to correct the voting list does not apply in this sort of situation.\u201D Speaker\u2019s ruling 63/5 states: \u201CThe voting lists as given to the Speaker by the tellers are absolute evidence of the members who have voted.\u201D It would appear to me that, as a minimum, those members who allowed their names to be recorded as having voted and did so by proxy should seek leave for the voting record to be amended. That would appear to me to be the minimum. The other possibility is that if there are such votes, then under the Standing Orders those votes ought to be conducted again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002272e48ab0-e7ae-427f-bedc-793b7a91adba\u0022 data-id=\u002231921bea5d1f41f5a76fae106be7221e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003824\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002272e48ab0-e7ae-427f-bedc-793b7a91adba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002231921bea5d1f41f5a76fae106be7221e\u0022\u003EHon MARK BURTON (Deputy Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I think perhaps the pertinent point is that where the situation was clear, as it was with the vote we have just retaken, then the appropriate action was taken. I am not aware of any other vote that is affected similarly. For my part, as one of the parties affected by that last vote\u2014I had just arrived in the Chamber, so it was in fact the first vote that had taken place while I was present\u2014I am certainly not aware of any other specific case affected. However, the matter has clearly been drawn to the attention of members. Having had that reminder, I am sure it will assist them to vote in an appropriate manner in future votes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022 data-id=\u0022db6e0e3196884fd99578a69428a61f45\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003825\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022db6e0e3196884fd99578a69428a61f45\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: I thank members for that, and particularly Mr Prebble for raising the matter. Members will be in no doubt now, if they were before\u2014and I am not saying they were; but if they were\u2014that if they are present in the Chamber or the lobbies, they must vote. They absolutely must vote. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083003826\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003EThe results of the votes have been declared and if members had points to raise, they should have raised them before that. At this point, all votes have been declared and accepted. I have no evidence that any of those votes contravenes any of our procedures. 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id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224472a45486eb473983329356c7c6c22d\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich)\u003C/span\u003E: The amendments in the name of Richard Worth set out Supplementary Order Paper 314 to omit schedules 1, 2, 2A, and 2B are out of order as each is a direct negation of a question. 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(P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004180\u0022\u003ESmith M (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004181\u0022\u003EConnell  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004182\u0022\u003EMcCully  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004183\u0022\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004184\u0022\u003ECopeland \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004185\u0022\u003EMcNair \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004186\u0022\u003ESowry  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004187\u0022\u003ECosgrove  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004188\u0022\u003ENewman  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004189\u0022\u003EStewart (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004190\u0022\u003ETeller:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004191\u0022\u003EDunne  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004192\u0022\u003EO\u0027Connor \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004193\u0022\u003ETamihere  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004194\u0022\u003EJones \u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002252af14a88b384df4867764286f30f690\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That schedule 2A be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp 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id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004436\u0022\u003EO\u0027Connor  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004437\u0022\u003ETamihere  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004438\u0022\u003EJones \u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u002277428034b4024d20872696052883a030\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002277428034b4024d20872696052883a030\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary Order Paper 314 sets out a number of amendments to schedule 3, all in the name of Richard Worth. The first, second, third, fourth, fifth, seventh, ninth, and tenth amendments to Part 1 of schedule 3, and the second and third amendments to Part 2 of schedule 3, are out of order as they are inconsistent with previous decisions of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the following amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to schedule 3 be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003Eto omit from Part 1 the item relating to the Care of Children Act 2004.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222fd66d9d051d4bdfb96477370574cfdc\u0022 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on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to schedule 3 be agreed to: \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004689\u0022\u003Eto omit from Part 2 the item relating to the Domestic Violence (Public Registers) Regulations 1998.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022a261ae61c01d487385f63ef58285386c\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 46\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 74\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed 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id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004806\u0022\u003ERobson  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004807\u0022\u003ETeller:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004808\u0022\u003EDuncan  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004809\u0022\u003EKedgley  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004810\u0022\u003ESamuels  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004811\u0022\u003EPettis\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022552b5024da4644d2bd6fb176775a8221\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That schedule 3 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan 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id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004817\u0022\u003EEwen-Street\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004818\u0022\u003ELocke  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004819\u0022\u003ESimich  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004820\u0022\u003EBarnett  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004821\u0022\u003EFairbrother  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004822\u0022\u003EMackey J (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004823\u0022\u003ESutton  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004824\u0022\u003EBenson-Pope \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004825\u0022\u003EFitzsimons  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp 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id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004934\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002285b0b34ab9394ca48434bfb675727e0d\u0022\u003EClauses 1 and 2\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004935\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 6.05 p.m. to 7 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u00226ad7328d467d47859ac3d0b3018c207d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004936\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226ad7328d467d47859ac3d0b3018c207d\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E Parliament is in urgency to debate the Civil Union Bill, which should be called the \u201CGay Marriage Bill\u201D. The first point I wish to make is why on earth it is necessary to pass such radical social legislation in a mad rush before Christmas. Why is it that Parliament is in urgency to deal with something that has no urgency about it at all, except that the Government wants to get controversial legislation off the agenda before the election next year? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004937\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EThe second point I wish to make is that this bill is all about gay marriage. No amount of sophistry, and no amount of spin doctoring will change the fact that this bill is about gay marriage. We know that because that is what Tim Barnett said in a gay magazine. We know it is what the Prime Minister said when she said how proud she was that her Government was passing gay marriage legislation. But when it comes to the mainstream media, the Government immediately changes its tune. There will be 1,043 law changes affecting every one of the major statutes, whether it be on education, health, superannuation, or whatever else it is on, and in every single one of those statutes civil union and marriage are to be identical. Civil union is only an exercise in spin that has a different name from marriage, and the Government is being quite dishonest with the public of New Zealand in that regard. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004938\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EThe third point I take objection to is that we are not debating the companion bill simultaneously with this legislation. Why is it that that bill has been put on hold while this one is being rushed through? The reality is that we have the building frame without any of the cladding. We do not know the substance of what is behind this bill, and I simply cannot believe that members are voting for something without knowing the detail of it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004939\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EI particularly want to focus on why on earth this Parliament wants to create a new institution called civil union that is absolutely identical to marriage in every single statutory reference. That is what the Government proposes, and I ask why that is. It is proposed in this bill that civil union will be available to men and women, just like a marriage. I have yet to hear in these hours of debate why it is that we need to create a new name. Some members have said that marriage has religious connotations. Well, it probably still will after this. We are lawmakers. There is no reference to religion at all in the Marriage Act. What is there about the institution of marriage and its heritage that makes Government members want to dump on it? Why do we have to create a new name? We do not do that in other areas. Do we create a new name and a whole lot of other statutes for other things that are identical? It is a ridiculous\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004940\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b03a2601bdfa415ca8562374b3ae329b\u0022\u003EDarren Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: But we are protecting marriage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004941\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022930718ba574741faa71b23b609c78df0\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Who does the member for Otaki think he is fooling?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004942\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd3cde0b7fcd413db6eece70900dbcc2\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: His colleagues.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004943\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002299ae669e43644a1bbac20e9f00939842\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: He may be fooling his colleagues, but he certainly is not fooling the people of New Zealand. He is not fooling the thousands and thousands of people who made submissions to the Justice and Electoral Committee, which have been completely ignored. What is really going on here is an exercise whereby the Government wants to change culture by statute, and that is not done. Yes, marriage is an evolving institution. It has been changing for hundreds of years, and it will continue to change. But it is not for this Parliament to pretend that it can completely change it, create a new beastie called a civil union, and then give that exactly the same legal elements as there are for a marriage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004944\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EThis Government is undermining marriage. This bill should be defeated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022 data-id=\u0022be19c85e58174f9ba08ea31c58872563\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004945\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022be19c85e58174f9ba08ea31c58872563\u0022\u003EHon BRIAN DONNELLY (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E On 16 May this year the people of Switzerland were confronted with a referendum on a proposal to reduce income taxes. The people voted the proposal down. I kid members not; they voted against a proposal to reduce taxes. The Swiss are used to referenda. Indeed, their system is built upon binding referenda, a system that formally goes back to 1848 when the Swiss federation was being established. So fiercely independent were the cantons that they would not agree to federation unless all powers rested with the cantons unless specifically stated in the constitution, and more important, the constitution could not be changed unless changes were agreed to by the people. Indeed, a double majority is required: a referendum has to be won by a majority of the people and a majority of the cantons. But the Swiss also have what is known as legislative or facultative referenda. Any law that is passed by the Swiss Parliament has to go to a referendum if 50,000 people sign a petition within 90 days of the law being passed. Karl Buerkli, the father of the legislative referenda that started in 1874, said: \u201CThe people will find the right way to social freedom because they feel themselves its daily sorrows and the need for change.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004946\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003EEarlier this year I did a week\u2019s study tour, examining the way the Swiss use the referenda. One of the people I met was Yves Christen, a Mayor of the city of Vevey for 16 years, and an ex-Speaker of the Swiss Parliament. When talking of referenda, he said time and time again: \u201CThe people are very clever.\u201D What he meant was that if we trust them, the people will get it right. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004947\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003EThat brings me to my amendment, the effect of which will be that this law will not come into effect, presuming the bill is passed, unless it passes a referendum at the next election. It is my contention that this bill to create civil unions changes the nature of our society. Therefore it should go to a national referendum. The people should have the opportunity to have their consciences recorded on this issue. I can understand why some people do not want to have a referendum. I can understand that it would enable another round of blatant bigotry from some quarters. However, I am convinced that a referendum would uncover the true face of New Zealand, and that it is a face of tolerance and acceptance of difference. The sad feature of the passage of this bill is that the true face of our people is not being exposed. I have faith in the people of New Zealand and in their sense of fairness. The reason that no MP who opposes this bill has put up a bill to recriminalise homosexuality is that MPs know that there is no such call from the community. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004948\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003EI respect the consciences of those who oppose this bill. In most cases it is not hostility towards homosexuality that drives their actions. However, it would seem to me that all those who oppose the bill would logically vote for the referendum clause, because if they genuinely believe the bill should not become law then that is the only way to prevent such an outcome. So I call upon Taito Phillip Field, John Tamihere, Clayton Cosgrove, and Damien O\u2019Connor to vote for my amendment. If they are to be true to their consciences they will vote for the referendum clause, and if they do so it will be won. The ultimate power lies in their hands, and it is their voting on the referendum clause that will determine the result. The question is: are they being whipped over this vote? If they are being whipped, then it makes a mockery of the conscience vote. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004949\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003EI come back to the statement by Buerkli: \u201CThe people will find the right way to social freedom because they feel themselves its daily sorrows and the need for change.\u201D I have been overwhelmed by the response to my speech yesterday from a number of people who have recounted similar family experiences to mine. I say to them, and to this Committee: have faith in the people. If we put our faith in the people, they will get it right. I believe that they will support this legislation, and that that will put the matter to rest forever more.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022 data-id=\u0022e67cb734b03d481bbe2e5ee29721c0d7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004950\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e67cb734b03d481bbe2e5ee29721c0d7\u0022\u003EDAIL JONES (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I look forward to finding out what some of the Labour Government members who were referred to by the Hon Brian Donnelly will be doing on this bill and what their attitude will be to a referendum provision. A referendum is an important part of New Zealand First policy. It is a policy that one can say is direct democracy with a conscience vote attached to it. A referendum allows the people of New Zealand to express their own consciences on an issue. That conscience vote is not limited solely to members of Parliament. It is a conscience vote that allows all the people of New Zealand to say whether they support a particular issue. I was surprised, I suppose\u2014but knowing the Swiss I should not have been\u2014that the Swiss voted against a reduction in taxes. I understand that they took the view that things like roading and suchlike must come first before taxes are reduced, and that is the sort of thing one would expect from a responsible society. Just as the people of Switzerland are responsible, I am sure that the people of New Zealand would be responsible, too, in a referendum. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004951\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EI ask the Labour Government why it does not allow this issue to go to a referendum. There has been a lot of criticism of the Republicans from the trendy lefty liberals of New Zealand and of the world\u2014all those people who would have liked to see the Democrat candidate become the President of the United States. But who gave the people of the United States the opportunity to vote on issues in a referendum at the last United States general election? It was the Republicans. The Republicans had issues such as this on the voting paper at the last election. The Republicans, the so-called right-wing, conservative, off-this-planet, rednecked type of people gave the people of the United States the opportunity to vote on whether gay marriages should be legal. After the Republicans did that the people of the United States spoke, and their answer was given. Whatever the answer was is irrelevant; the fact is that the United States had a referendum. If all the trendy lefties who have their fun from abusing the Republicans want to continue to do so, they should at least give credit to the Republicans for having a referendum, and follow the Republicans in having one. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004952\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EBut no, it seems that this Labour Government does not want to support a referendum, although I have yet to hear from the members of the Labour Government who have been valiant and brave, and who have exercised their consciences\u2014I should not use the words \u201Ccrossed the floor\u201D\u2014and voted from time to time against this bill. Full credit goes to them all\u2014to the likes of John Tamihere and Clayton Cosgrove for example, not to mention another member or two who may be in the Chamber at this present time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003EIt is extremely important that the people of New Zealand be given the opportunity to vote in a referendum. We can rant and rave about whether this bill is a gay marriage bill, a close-to-gay marriage bill, or is not a gay marriage bill\u2014whatever it may be. However, I am sure that if a properly run referendum was held\u2014and New Zealand First has a policy of direct democracy\u2014by the time we had that referendum, the people of New Zealand would be fully informed as to what they were voting for. Of course, the best time to have it and the most economic time to have it would be at a general election. It is not unusual to have a referendum at a general election. The one that most of us who were having their first drink illegally in the 1960s will remember was at the 1967 general election, when the drinking hours were extended from 6 o\u2019clock. It was like when President Kennedy was killed\u2014where one was in 1967 when the referendum took place for the extension of the drinking hours from 6 p.m. to 10 o\u2019clock, and to 11 o\u2019clock on Saturdays. What a bold move that was. Yet that was put to a referendum, and New Zealanders made a decision.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004954\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a0ae5f7ec014947b94eff55ffbb1a74\u0022\u003EPansy Wong\u003C/span\u003E: 9 October 1967.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004955\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4da5811-fb5a-4721-b57a-518446bd7796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288b6aaca56bc4c408080d8ff5568f0bc\u0022\u003EDAIL JONES\u003C/span\u003E: I am surprised Pansy Wong can remember that, because I am sure that she was not even born then.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022 data-id=\u0022432a41e3a79b494895b80302bfb7a9d9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004956\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022432a41e3a79b494895b80302bfb7a9d9\u0022\u003ETIM BARNETT (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E I start off by registering my respect for the very consistent position of New Zealand First in support of the concept of holding referenda on issues such as this. That does contrast somewhat with the position of some other parties and individuals in this Parliament, who suddenly have leapt on the bandwagon of referenda because they think that is another way to try to defeat this legislation. I thank New Zealand First and its speakers to date on this issue for that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004957\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003EAs chair of the Justice and Electoral Committee, which dealt with the Civil Union Bill, I can report that we looked at the issue of holding a referendum very seriously. In doing that we looked at a number of criteria, because we are a nation with some history\u2014a bit of a ragged history\u2014of having referenda. The first issue is the legal responsibility of the Government. Back in 1993 this Parliament made a series of crucial decisions to add a number of grounds to our Human Rights Act. I think, on looking back, that those decisions were of constitutional importance. Our Human Rights Act sits absolutely crucially side by side with our electoral legislation, our Bill of Rights legislation, and other key laws as being New Zealand\u2019s constitutional arrangements. That decision was made, and although the enforcement of that law on the Government was delayed for a few years\u2014and the previous National Government tried to delay it a bit longer\u2014it is now actually taking effect. So that law applies to the whole nation\u2014to the voluntary sector, the private sector, and also the Government. Once that decision was made, the duty of the Government was to implement it. It does not mean to say that we will have same-sex marriage. What it does mean to say is that since the State provides marriage as, effectively, a service to the people of the country, it should provide a form of legal recognition to people who are unable to marry. So I think that the first key point, in terms of referenda, is that the State has the legal responsibility to address the issues that this bill addresses. Any referendum should have taken place at the time that the grounds of the Human Rights Act were extended. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004958\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003ESecond, the point of minority rights and majority votes is very real, since this legislation has an effect only on those people who are likely to access it. The question is, then, who should be voting in a referendum? If there is any legislation that will benefit a certain group of people in heterosexual, de facto, or same-sex relationships, who is to decide who should vote in a referendum on it? The third point is that when we look around the world, where about 20 or 25 countries have agreed on similar legislation\u2014and many of those are countries with a much more significant tradition of referenda than we have\u2014we see not one of those countries has held a referendum on the issue of introducing civil unions. Fourth, on the issue of the mandate for this legislation, three parties in this Parliament\u2014namely, Labour, the Progressives, and the Greens\u2014indicated at the last election that they would support the introduction of such legislation to the House and allow a free vote for their MPs. They considered it was a mandate for the debate that is happening this evening and over these days. Fifth, there was the issue of public opinion. A series of public opinion polls have shown quite significant majority support for the legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004959\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9a94bf3-a948-4410-8413-403a7454114b\u0022\u003ELastly, and maybe this is the most fundamental point, I think that if we are to move to a situation of holding regular referenda, there is a debate to be had about what kind of model of democracy we operate in this country. I looked through the lobbying I have received on controversial issues over the last 2 years, and saw that people have called for referenda on about 20 issues as varied as tolls on roads and the docking of dogs\u2019 tails. Where do we draw the line between what is a significant issue and what is a small issue? I tell Mr Connell that some people do want referenda on those issues, because to them they are big issues. So the last point I want to make is that if we go to a situation of having regular referenda on a whole range of issues that some regard as controversial but as a new model of democracy, we need to redesign our current parliamentary system in order to fit that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u0022aaa6cbdd5c4e437098c76a564ef3c146\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004960\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022aaa6cbdd5c4e437098c76a564ef3c146\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E That was the weakest defence I have ever heard for denying the people of this country a say in their own affairs on a very major and substantial institution in our society. This referendum clause that my colleague is putting up is to ensure there is a check on this bill by the people of this country who are most affected by it. It is democratic, it will establish a consensus, and if the bill is right, the people of New Zealand will say so. If the bill is correct, the people of this country will say so. If the bill is needed, they will say so. If the bill is desired, the people of this country will say so\u2014not a few temporarily empowered politicians who are shortly to go from this place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004961\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EThe Labour Party has the whip out on this issue, and that is very clear. Labour will oppose the use of a referendum vote on this bill. That is very clear. My question, and the question New Zealand First members are asking\u2014all 13 of us\u2014is: why is that? Is it because Labour members were sent here to make decisions and to govern, as has been claimed by a number of members in the Chamber today? They said: \u201CI was sent here to make decisions and to govern.\u201D I want those members to cast their minds back to the Labour Government of 1984 to 1990. That Government sold off billions and billions of dollars worth of this country\u2019s assets. All those members on the back benches then, some of whom are now on the front benches, sat there and did nothing. They would not even raise a finger to the catastrophe that was happening to the Labour Party and to our nation. Labour went out in 1990, with the biggest defeat ever. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EWhat do those members now say about the shambles of the State asset sales process that happened in those years, 1984 to 1990? Do they still argue: \u201CI\u2019m sent here to govern. I am still here to make decisions.\u201D? Well, they thought that back then, in 1984, too. They sold billions of dollars worth of assets\u2014the people\u2019s assets. They flogged off the taxpayers\u2019 legacy to the highest bidder, and particularly to the bidder that was foreign. If we in New Zealand First are prepared to accept the people\u2019s will, then why cannot they? If we in New Zealand First are prepared to accept what the people say in a vote, then why cannot Labour? If we in New Zealand First can believe in the people\u2019s voice, then why cannot the Labour Party also believe in the people\u2019s voice, as it will be expressed in a referendum? If we in New Zealand First respect the people\u2019s wish then why cannot Labour, on this matter? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004963\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EI will tell members why the Labour Party has the whip out on this issue. It is because it knows that it would not win, unless it brought in the jackboot of a whip\u2019s decision in the party. That is what is going on here. The reason why Mr Barnett and his cohorts do not want a referendum across this nation, amongst every adult voter, is that he knows he would not win. So, in short, he believes in hijacking democracy. He claimed that we cannot have this referendum process until we get used to it. It reminds me of when I was at primary school and a lady sent a note saying: \u201CHenry can\u2019t go into the water until he learns to swim.\u201D It is ridiculous; it is pathetic. We should expect that this Parliament would be able to produce members who are smarter than that. But the member puts up this lousy excuse and says: \u201CBut who would vote?\u201D. He literally argues that only homosexuals should have the vote. In short, he says that no other New Zealander can see the issue the way they do. Is that right? There are many members of this House who do see the issue in a much more sympathetic way than he does, and they do not believe they should not be entitled to have a vote. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004964\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EThere is no free vote for Labour in respect of this referendum, and that is dramatically wrong. To say that this issue is too big for the people is to portray a myth, to portray a sham, to engage in an exercise in deceit, and to engage in an exercise in duplicity. It is that simple. I say to Mr Barnett that if you believe you are right, why not trust the New Zealand people? What makes you smarter than them? What makes your perception more correct than theirs?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004965\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022952817ae87044ca089ea171fcfae3ee6\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: The member is bringing me into the debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004966\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a0372630dcb4039a2b0a946e20531fa\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Oh no, this is about a referendum. If you do not understand that, then I am sorry but you should read what my colleague has written by way of an amendment. He says to consult the people of this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004967\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e24c1b73dcef4f4f8f26f7f1a430ac3d\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: The member is referring to the Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004968\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220a95f977ae194c75af2e02844db99592\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I am addressing the Chair, but I will look where I feel like it, with the greatest respect. I will have a lot less interruption from you, with the greatest respect. I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. Why did you interrupt me?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004969\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec662fb5884949c3bdd73c84c385fdff\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: The reality is that the member referred to the Chair on three occasions. I let the first two go, without interruption. But I had to pull the member up on the third occasion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004970\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d89f21c05be74e42b83532ca76a01a6f\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: You said that I had to address the Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004971\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ae9ab5ebdf4f410f9ee32f961364cdda\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: There is a longstanding convention that members cannot use the word \u201Cyou\u201D because it brings the Chair into the debate. I thank the member for raising that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004972\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fcd55af56a154d1c9c1ecd265703549a\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: I meant that enemy of democracy on the Government benches, not you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004973\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002254b22e9de2cb470484119e3d86330be0\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022 data-id=\u0022f27ddb04856944059c8aec69dff3a5a1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004974\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f27ddb04856944059c8aec69dff3a5a1\u0022\u003EBRIAN CONNELL (National\u2014Rakaia):\u003C/span\u003E I have been waiting to get a call for some time\u2014in fact, ever since Mr Peck took a call and challenged members of the Committee to identify those who are homosexual. I said that Mr Barnett is homosexual. Mr Barnett has acknowledged that fact\u2014it is a matter of public record. But Mr Peck said that that is the only way we can know\u2014because someone tells us. That is not so. I went to Express magazine and on the first page I opened there are a couple of men engaged in a homosexual act. So I would say that they are probably homosexual, and that is how we can tell. I say to Mr Peck that there is one answer to his question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004975\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003EThe second question that I want to refer to concerns something Mr Barnett said. He came to the Chamber and read letters to the Committee from all the nasty people who have said nasty things about the people who want this law. I say to Mr Barnett that he has the advantage over me, because the letters, the hate mail, I have received are so vile that I cannot read them to the Committee. They have come from people whom the member says do not engage in hate or hate language. I think that Mr Barnett should have a hard think about that. I think there are people on both sides of this debate who engage in hate mail. I do not think he should single out one side of the debate unfairly. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004976\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003ELet us turn to the referendum issue. Mr Peters took a call. I can say to him that there are at least 13, plus one at least, members in this Chamber whom I now know support the call for a binding referendum. I feel that there is deep hypocrisy amongst those who argue against a binding referendum, particularly members of the Green Party. Those members have said that they absolutely will not touch this, yet they are in this House by virtue of a binding referendum. They might want to reflect on that; so might Mr Barnett. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004977\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003ELet me address some of the other issues that were raised. Mr Barnett\u2019s defence as to why there should not be a binding referendum is weak because he is trying to defend the indefensible. He knows that when all the smoke is cleared away the reason this Government will not put this issue to the vote and let the general public have a say on it is that it would be lost, and lost resoundingly. That is why he is objecting to it. He knows that when the question is put as to whether the New Zealand public want gay marriage, they will say no. He knows that if this issue goes out into the public domain, the spin doctors of the Labour Government will not be able to disguise the ultimate truth of what this legislation is all about, and that is gay marriage. That is why he will not allow this question to be put into the public domain. He and his Government would lose the ability to manipulate the argument. They know that in this Chamber they can get the result they want. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004978\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c598ffd3-4771-4027-a15f-5d1f643631e0\u0022\u003EThe idea of a conscience vote to the Labour Party is laughable. That member knows it, I know it, and members of this Chamber know it. What is even worse is that he knows that the general public of this country know it, as well. So it is a bit of a sham that he is putting forward. Part of the reason that people are arguing for civil unions is that people should have the opportunity to protect their long-term loving relationships. What Government members do is roll out Chris Carter as the example of a long, stable relationship. Mr Carter is in a long, stable relationship, but he is the exception to the rule.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022 data-id=\u002295362e9374114b9fa08dd7238b355c5d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004979\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002295362e9374114b9fa08dd7238b355c5d\u0022\u003ESUE KEDGLEY (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I have listened very closely to the arguments put forward by the opposition. I have the Catholic bishops\u2019 statement. I have it here. I have read it very closely. The arguments of the opposition and the bishops seem to boil down to three basic viewpoints: firstly, that the passage of this legislation\u2014the recognition of civil unions\u2014will erode the special and unique position of marriage and the family in our society; secondly, that it will create a slippery slope that will undermine our social and moral values and lead to social decay in our society; and, thirdly, that it will undermine the well-being and stability of society. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004980\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003EI believe that as legislators we have an obligation to test these claims to see whether they have a rational basis or are just irrational fears. New Zealand is in the fortunate position of being able to look at other societies that have introduced registered same-sex partnerships. That has been the law in Sweden for 20 years, in Denmark for 15 years, and in Norway since 1993. If the arguments of the opponents are correct, then it is inevitable that we would see in those societies evidence of the undermining of the stability of society, evidence of the erosion of the special and unique position of marriage and the family, and evidence of social decay. The statistics show that marriage, far from being eroded and undermined, has actually remained stable in those societies. Indeed, in places like Denmark the number of marriages has gone up by a small amount. In 1990 it was 6.1 marriages per 1,000 residents. Now it is 6.8 marriages per 1,000 residents. So the statistics are very clear: there has been no erosion of the institution of marriage in those societies and no evidence of social and moral decay. Keith Locke has just visited Sweden. He reported to us that, very thankfully, he was not able to see any evidence of social or moral decay. [Interruption] He said Sweden is a robust\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004981\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022709c41637b2b464d95d2e6ecb844955d\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I am sorry to interrupt the member. I remind members on the cross benches of the convention that they do not interject from there, because it affects the microphone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004982\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eeaeda35758645aa8f77da12b22b8ef5\u0022\u003ESUE KEDGLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you for your protection, Mr Chair. Sweden is a robust, healthy, stable, tolerant, and inclusive democracy. It is the sort of society that New Zealand should be seeking to emulate. The same can be said of Denmark, a society of approximately 4 million people. It is a role model for us in terms of social justice, tolerance, and inclusiveness. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004983\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003EI have spoken not only to Keith Locke but to other people who have relatives in, or have visited, Denmark and Norway, and Sweden, in particular, over recent years. They all say that there is not one shred of evidence in those societies that any of the claims made by the opponents of this bill are a reality. So I challenge the opponents of this bill to produce some shred of evidence tonight for their claims that there has been an undermining of the special and unique position of marriage and the family in any one of those three societies, or a decline and undermining of social and moral standards, or an erosion of well-being and stability. I challenge other speakers tonight to produce one shred of evidence. The truth is that there is no evidence, and that leads us to believe that our community has irrational fears about this bill, but those fears have no rational basis. If any member can produce some evidence, I for one will listen with great interest and respect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022 data-id=\u00223e2d8dde0e724c62a0da6c73d491c035\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223e2d8dde0e724c62a0da6c73d491c035\u0022\u003EMURRAY SMITH (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E If Ms Kedgley thinks that locking pastors up in Sweden, simply because they quote passages from the Bible against homosexuality, is not something that shows a decay in that society, then obviously we have quite a different point of view. As my colleague says, tolerance goes out the window in societies that are opening up the whole issue of so-called human rights.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004985\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EI also want to respond to Tim Barnett\u2019s comments, because they cannot be left unchallenged. Although he and I have a healthy respect for each other\u2019s positions, I feel that he made a couple of statements that were quite wrong. First, he indicated there was clear public support for this bill in polls that have been taken. Well, all the polls I have seen have had support fluctuating between 40 and 60 percent, and the results of the last two surveys we have available are similar. One survey conducted showed variance of 45 or 46 percent, which hardly gives a clear majority for support, and a survey last week by a television programme showed 76 percent opposition to this bill. I do not know where the member gets his figures from but it seems he is making a very selective choice. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004986\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003ESecondly, the member asked: if we were to put these sorts of issues to a referendum, how would we decide what was a significant issue? I can tell him one thing\u2014this issue is a significant issue. It seems to me that when we have issues that are as fundamental as the nature of marriage in our society, and when there is such a strong public division on the issue, there is a classic example of the need for a referendum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004987\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EIn this bill we are looking at the undermining of what has been the four cornerstones of marriage in society\u2014namely, that marriage is confined to two people, that it is confined to people who have reached a certain age, that it is confined to people who do not have relationships that are close in terms of blood ties, and that it is confined to a man and a woman. In this bill we want to destroy one of those foundations without getting society\u2019s view on the matter. We risk undermining the foundations of marriage as a result, and that is a clear example where a referendum is necessary in terms of coming up with a mandate in order to make those changes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004988\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EIn fact, I think that on any conscience issue this Parliament debates where there is less than 60 percent support, the issue should automatically be put to a referendum. If we cannot get 60 percent support, it demonstrates a clear division in society so that the issue should be decided on a much broader basis than simply by 120 members in the House. We need to give a greater say to the public. They are clamouring for it. We need to show them that we think there are certain issues in this country that ought to be decided beyond merely those issues that relate to the electoral system and beyond merely the 3-yearly vote. I think a referendum is an appropriate measure to do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004989\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EThe lesson that we should learn through that procedure is that it is important we hear the concerns of minority groups within our society and, most particularly, the concerns where those minority groups represent interests that we may disagree with personally. What we need to do is to listen, then to distinguish the genuine concerns that we ought to address from what are simply requests for wants rather than needs\u2014wants that start undermining the fabric of our society.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004990\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EIf we had addressed earlier the needs of the homosexual community in terms of issues such as next-of-kin rights, then a measure such as the one Richard Worth promoted would have been the way to go. I am disappointed that even at this late stage we have not adopted that suggestion, because that does genuinely address the needs we have been told about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004991\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225caeb43f-d5eb-4780-bddc-0fc23950543a\u0022\u003EIt does not address the wants of the homosexual community, who want same-sex relationships to be seen to be equivalent to opposite-sex relationships, even though opposite-sex relationships have been a fundamental institution in terms of marriage and the rearing of children, and continue to be so in our society. That demand for those wants, which goes way beyond real needs, is what a large proportion of this Committee does not accept as being legitimate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022 data-id=\u00228ab7783c761e40eea80ef32cd83d833a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004992\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228ab7783c761e40eea80ef32cd83d833a\u0022\u003EGEORGINA BEYER (Labour\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E I cannot abide the kind of double standard I heard from the member who just resumed his seat. One becomes quite browbeaten from all sides of the Chamber, I guess, in this debate, but I think I have been involved in one way or the other with fighting for not only my rights but hopefully for others\u2019 human rights. To hear these things trivialised, and to be treated as though there is some other being or person superior to some of us in society\u2014where those who call for one law for all do not actually believe that in this particular instance\u2014is most disturbing. It is most disturbing to hear that, and that is all I wanted to say.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022 data-id=\u0022a438fb1aed5e4ae7b99a8cf85379546b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004993\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a438fb1aed5e4ae7b99a8cf85379546b\u0022\u003EPANSY WONG (National):\u003C/span\u003E Two weeks ago I was invited back to Hong Kong to take part in a public seminar, as part of the 50th anniversary celebration programme of my high-profile high school. In that speech I stated I was an above average student when I applied myself, but most of the time I did not achieve to that standard during my time at high school. It was no surprise that principals and teachers struggled to recall this now high-profile alumni, because it was my coming to New Zealand that brought about that change. New Zealand gives me the space, the opportunity, and the motivation to realise my potential. My pride as a member of the Asian ethnic minority community, the determination to earn my rights as a New Zealander, and the frustration of having to justify those rights stir up the dormant competitiveness inside me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004994\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022\u003EI work relentlessly to reinforce the positive image of New Zealanders as fair-minded people who believe in giving others a fair go. Ours is a country where minorities will have space and rights as long as the rights of the majority are not eroded. Passing the Civil Union Bill does not take away any rights from a man and a woman who choose to commit to each other under the Marriage Act, and who are legally entitled to address each other as husband and wife. Same-gender couples and heterosexual couples are given a separate legal framework when they choose to commit to each other. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004995\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022\u003EIf this bill had made amendments to the Marriage Act to make room for same-gender couples, I would not have supported it. It is important to accept that we do not live in a perfect world from every person\u2019s perspective. Some will argue that this is a compromise, and we do need to compromise in a society of collective membership. In my judgment, that compromise means that minorities should be given space as long as the majority\u2019s rights are not eroded.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004996\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022\u003EThis Parliament in 1987 passed legislation to decriminalise homosexuality. I remember the bitter arguments and the images of hatred and frustration of those times. The legislation was passed, and many now would say that of course it is not right to discriminate against gay members\u2014which was not the case in 1987. Parliamentarians need to take into consideration the status quo preference of the majority against the need to bring about enlightened attitudes so that minorities in our society can go about their business without the shame and fear of being different.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004997\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022\u003EI would like to read an extract from one of the very many emails that I, like many members of Parliament, have received: \u201CIt\u2019s not easy to discover that you are gay. Our society makes it very clear what it thinks of gay people. We all hear the terrible jokes, the hurtful stereotypes, and the wrong ideas that circulate about gay people. It is no wonder that one might choose to hide one\u2019s gay feelings from others. One might even be tempted to hide them from oneself.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004998\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022\u003EI have not supported the lowering of the drinking age, prostitution reform, or the voluntary euthanasia bill, which hardly puts me in the liberal camp, but I do support adults who choose to make a sincere commitment to each other. The passage of the Civil Union Bill will not undermine marriage. In the last 2 years we have seen statistics proving that the number of marriages has increased.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083004999\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb1694c7b4f84b51b7b32f9855adf3e2\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: What about a referendum?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005000\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f6764f39cdc45238044bcd08d8e04c5\u0022\u003EPANSY WONG\u003C/span\u003E: If New Zealand First members want to take another call, they are welcome to do that. In my speech I have stated very clearly that parliamentarians are elected here to make the hard decisions, and to take into consideration not only the views of the majority who prefer the status quo but also the views of the minority.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224ad02d80-0242-43c0-a0b6-862d72b3f978\u0022 data-id=\u0022f0e32667b99048acad786c441f0fb218\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224ad02d80-0242-43c0-a0b6-862d72b3f978\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f0e32667b99048acad786c441f0fb218\u0022\u003EBRENT CATCHPOLE (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I have listened to this debate for many hours now, and I have heard arguments from both sides of the Chamber. Much of it has been very emotional and some of it has been very personal, but, really, what have we been listening to? We have heard one side stating that they want equality for people, yet they turn round and promote the complete opposite. On the other side of the argument, people are concerned that civil union will wreck marriage, and then we hear them stating that it is not about marriage. But this bill is all about, and is nothing more than, marriage for gays. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005002\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224ad02d80-0242-43c0-a0b6-862d72b3f978\u0022\u003ELet us look at what the promoters of this bill are trying to say. They are trying to promote that it will reduce the prejudice against them, and provide them with all sorts of other legal and technical issues. None of that will change. This bill will not change any of those things. People will not find that prejudice suddenly melts away overnight. It will not happen under this bill, at all. They will not have any additional rights to adopt children. Those rights already exist. People in de facto relationships can adopt children through the normal adoption processes now, so what is this bill really about? It is nothing more than marriage for gay people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224ad02d80-0242-43c0-a0b6-862d72b3f978\u0022\u003EIt is such an emotional issue, so why will this Government not allow the people of this country to decide such an emotional and important issue? New Zealand First has offered a binding referendum to decide this issue, but this Government is frightened of that. Why is it frightened? What is it frightened of? Why does the Government not give the people the opportunity to show that they care and that they have minds of their own? This Government does not believe that the people of New Zealand have minds of their own. It wants to protect them from making this decision. Well, the people of New Zealand want to make the decision themselves, and a binding referendum is the way for them to do that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224ad02d80-0242-43c0-a0b6-862d72b3f978\u0022\u003EWe have heard such emotional statements from both sides, that it is obvious members of Parliament do not have the ability to be objective about this issue. They cannot make the decision for the majority of people. Most deny the polling that has been going on with regard to this issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224ad02d80-0242-43c0-a0b6-862d72b3f978\u0022\u003E Some will deny that there is a huge majority against the bill, and some will claim that there is a huge majority for it. If that is the case, then let us ask the people, in a referendum, to make their decision. There is no point in polling people between elections to see who will govern the country. It is the poll held at election time that really decides who will govern the country, so let the people of New Zealand decide in a referendum at the next election whether gay marriage is to be the norm, and whether this legislation is wanted by the majority of people. If it is allowed to go to the public, and if they decide to go with it, well and good. That would be the decision of the people, not of the emotional members of this House. So it should be allowed to go to a referendum. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224ad02d80-0242-43c0-a0b6-862d72b3f978\u0022\u003EWhy is the Government so frightened of that? Why will it not allow the people to decide? Is it because the Government knows that the people have minds of their own, and that they know how to make decisions on these sorts of things? We have heard the excuse that we should not allow the people to make decisions through referenda because they are not used to them. As the Rt Hon Winston Peters said, the only way to learn how to swim is to get into the water. So why cannot the Government allow the people of New Zealand to use a referendum to make their own decisions\u2014to decide what they want to have in place?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022 data-id=\u00224415ff0e17fc4243b47f8eb1e0c753d4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224415ff0e17fc4243b47f8eb1e0c753d4\u0022\u003ELARRY BALDOCK (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E I apologise to members and to those listening to the debate for the quality of my voice; it is not that I have talked myself out. But I will do the best I can to make a final speech on this very important debate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EWe are addressing the Civil Union Bill. I believe that a better title would be \u201CCivil Relationship Bill\u201D, as provided for in Richard Worth\u2019s amendment, which I voted for. It is a shame that the bill is not to be entitled \u201CCivil Relationship Bill\u201D, because I believe that most members would be supportive of legislation that addresses the issues that were raised as the very basis of the bill\u2014the issues that we have always called the \u201Cnext-of-kin rights\u201D, which in some instances may be denied some same-sex couples in this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EWe have discovered through this process, particularly as a result of some of the excellent submissions that were made to the select committee and one in particular from the Maxim Institute\u2014which took the lid off the next-of-kin rights, because the institute went to many hospitals and places around New Zealand to find out exactly what was happening in regard to next-of-kin rights\u2014that in very few cases at all was real discrimination taking place, and that in most cases, the rights of same-sex couples are being addressed. It is really not a case of bad law but of bad policy operating in many places that results in some instances of injustice occurring. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EWe have always said that we are supportive of addressing those issues, because they are issues of rights. As I said in my first speech on the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill, I believe that those rights apply not just to couples who have sexual relationships but also to other relationships in society in which people take care of each other without having a sexual relationship. We could have addressed their need for a recognition of that relationship and of next-of-kin rights in the amendment promoted by Richard Worth. That would have been covered by the \u201CCivil Relationship Bill\u201D concept. It is regrettable, because the Committee is divided and the vote on the third reading will be very close. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EAgain, many who have opposed the legislation will be called homophobic and not concerned about homosexual people, which is not the truth. We are simply concerned about the erosion of marriage, and the desire for those couples to gain acceptance from Parliament for their relationships by having a civil union that is seen as the same as marriage in all but name. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EI will also address the issue regarding the amendments to clause 2 calling for a referendum before the legislation becomes law. I personally would support that it ought to go to a referendum in New Zealand and, as my colleague said earlier, I believe that matters dealt with by conscience in this House should go to a referendum when the House does not have at least a 60 percent majority. If we are not clear on the matter in this place, we should submit it to the people of New Zealand so they can have a say on the issue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EPersonally, Gordon Copeland and I have been involved in a citizens initiated referendum to deal with the fiasco from the Prostitution Reform Bill of a year ago, which passed because of one abstention by Ashraf Choudhary, a man who could not make up his mind\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241f9247d78614fa791b37c92bd01d0c6\u0022\u003EPeter Brown\u003C/span\u003E: No, you\u2019ve just had the Leader of the Opposition say he voted the wrong way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221c46785a7954437fb30fa7ae2f919d89\u0022\u003ELARRY BALDOCK\u003C/span\u003E: I think most of the Muslim community think he voted the wrong way. He is certainly voting the wrong way this time, as well. That bill ought not to have passed into law on the basis of one abstention. That is a very good example of something that should have gone to a referendum, instead of us having to go around the country to gather the necessary signatures in order to force a referendum on the issue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003EI have just returned from the Muslim world. I was in Doha last week at a meeting on the Doha Declaration, dealing with family values and issues, that has been signed up to by 139 countries. Throughout the debate members have been quoting examples of the European nations that have been so forward in their thinking as to have gay marriage and civil unions. I tell members that they are still a very small minority in the world. The overwhelming majority of nations are opposed to seeing civil unions or gay marriage established in their nations. There were 139 signatory countries to the Doha Declaration. It was approved by consensus at the UN General Assembly on Monday this week and has been adopted as a UN declaration. It is very interesting to read that declaration, with its specific and clear statements about protecting marriage and upholding the natural family in our countries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022 data-id=\u00220cce453b26e442f99e01eb02a573729d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220cce453b26e442f99e01eb02a573729d\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I am pleased to take a call in the debate on clauses 1 and 2. I want to respond to one of the comments made by the previous speaker about hospitals being rung to ask them what their policy is when dealing with same-sex couples, and if, in fact, they would deny a person in a same-sex couple access to his or her partner. Of course they do not do that, and that was reiterated by the Nurses Organisation at the Justice and Electoral Committee. But the difficulty arises when there is some kind of disagreement between the family and the partner of a person in hospital who is unconscious, or has been in an accident, and is not in position to sign a next-of-kin form. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221e93d9c8-b183-40db-b200-833697df066c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268de61f9fe6842f39493c0f7369c7a77\u0022\u003ELarry Baldock\u003C/span\u003E: And this doesn\u2019t deal with it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236b63438bbbe4cc0bdc2657adee4f426\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: How many times do I have to say this? If someone is in a civil union, it is a legal, recognised relationship under the law. When same-sex couples came to the committee they said that they know there are no next-of-kin laws. Mr Smith will remember that, because, to his credit, he was there for all the submissions, unlike many members of the committee who have come to the Chamber and pretended that they were there for all of them. What same-sex couples said was that if they were in a civil union, it would be a legal, recognised relationship, and they could take their civil union certificate with them, if need be, and, like a marriage certificate, it would be evidence that the relationship was recognised under the law. That is how civil unions would be helpful for the next-of-kin issue in relation to people in hospital. The representatives from the Nurses Organisation themselves said that it would be very helpful, and that it is not fair that nurses have to make the call between the disapproving family and the partner.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022becf471717c840a88031d42edb63492b\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: So we\u2019re doing it for the nurses now?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d26d81c4170747fcb2ef2eb11c474d64\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: We are doing it for the nurses. I feel that there are many areas that the bill helps, and if we can make it easier\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d3309bc7ba449f8944a396dc513d27e\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s wrong with a referendum?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e84c43881ab7449d829616fb2126cb54\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: I will talk about the referendum soon, I say to Mr Peters. If we can, we should make it easier for hospital staff to implement their policy. I think same-sex couples should be given the right to choose to go into one of these relationships. Of course, not all of them will, and there will continue to be problems, but if they have a choice, we have fair legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003ENow, just to keep Mr Peters happy, I will talk about the issue of a referendum. I do not support referenda on issues like this. I will tell members why. If we had had a referendum on the Homosexual Law Reform Bill 18 years ago, it would not have passed. How many people can honestly say that that law has changed their lives\u2014that their lives are worse because 18 years ago that Act was passed? I wish we could have referenda on issues that actually affect people\u2019s lives. I wish we had had a referendum on the student loan scheme. I would not have been old enough to vote, but I would have felt much better if a referendum had been held on the student loan scheme and we could have had a say. That scheme affects my life.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E I am not opposed to the idea of referenda. However, I think MPs are here to make decisions. Referenda are costly, so they should be used sparingly. I do not have any problem with the concept of referenda, but referenda on issues like this are the reason that in a country like Switzerland, a progressive nation, women did not get the vote until 1971. In 1956 a referendum was held in Switzerland and it failed. Women did not get the vote in 1956 in Switzerland, because of the referendum system. It would be the same if a referendum was held here on an issue like this. I believe that referenda are useful when everyone voting on them is affected by what he or she is voting on. If people are affected by what they are voting on, then a referendum may be a very useful tool if Parliament is unable to make up its mind, or deems an issue serious enough to take to the people of this country. But we are paid to come here and do a job. In 20 years\u2019 time, no one will even blink at the way his or her life has changed because the Civil Union Bill passed into law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EWe could spend an awful lot of money on a referendum\u2014and there would be posturing by a lot of people\u2014but if we are serious about referenda, why are we not putting them up for issues that really affect the lives of New Zealanders? Will it be New Zealand First that decides what we have referenda on? Will it decide the important issues? Who will decide? To be fair to New Zealand First, I have to say that it is the one party in this Parliament that has a policy on referenda. I guarantee that if the opponents of this bill had the numbers to see this bill fail, they would not be calling for a referendum. National Party members would not be calling for a referendum if they had the numbers to see this bill fail. I have no doubt about that. I do not believe that United Future, as well, would be calling for a referendum if it had the numbers to see this bill fail. At least I am consistent. I would not support a referendum even if we did not have the numbers to pass this bill into law, because I do not believe that this is the right issue for a referendum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u002245eb4c6d743242b590b640deacec9e97\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002245eb4c6d743242b590b640deacec9e97\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I call the honourable member Richard Worth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022 data-id=\u00224e0af8c9d0044bf28dc9590af34f15d5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224e0af8c9d0044bf28dc9590af34f15d5\u0022\u003EDARREN HUGHES (Junior Whip\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I am sorry to interrupt the speaker before he has had a chance to start. The Committee spent the best part of 4 hours this afternoon voting on amendments moved by Richard Worth. I am afraid that my records are not quite up to date. Can you confirm, Mr Chairman, that this is the first call that Mr Worth has taken in the Committee stage of the Civil Union Bill? I think it is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u0022332594105fa54eccbb40ae131039ade0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022332594105fa54eccbb40ae131039ade0\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: No, no. The member knows that that is not a point of order, and that it can actually lead to disorder. I ask the member to desist.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022 data-id=\u0022233e701dd8644c04a4da68c5c832e352\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022233e701dd8644c04a4da68c5c832e352\u0022\u003ERICHARD WORTH (National\u2014Epsom):\u003C/span\u003E What a cheap shot that was from a cheap member! Like it or not, this is quite serious legislation, and when a young junior Government whip makes comments of that calibre, I suggest that the thinking public can express real reservation as to where Labour is going on this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003ENational members have made it clear from the outset that we have significant problems with this legislation. I have spoken about the strong opposition to it, but in the context of what I will talk about in this speech I will put that aside. However, this bill is being rushed through under urgency, and there are, quite clearly, better ways of achieving the objective.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003EThis part of the debate is really concerned with two issues: the commencement date and also the title. I will talk for a moment about the title of the Civil Union Bill. In some respects it is the title and the implications behind it that caused 91 percent of the people who came to the Justice and Electoral Committee to say that they did not want this bill. Ninety-one percent of 6,000 people is a significant number, in any setting, of people seeking to be heard in submissions before a select committee. I was saddened by the comments of the previous speaker, who clearly is not interested in, and is not prepared to take any account at all of, those who have heartfelt and sincere opposition to this proposal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003EI have had the opportunity\u2014despite what the young Government whip has said\u2014of contributing in a reasonably substantial way to this legislation. Not only have I had the opportunity of speaking in the Committee stage but also I have had the opportunity of moving a number of amendments to provide a realistic and viable alternative. I want for a moment to highlight the concerns of those who say that this is a bad title.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003EMaybe, on the numbers, this legislation will pass. It may have to be revisited after a change of Government in 2005. But I want to talk about the fact that we are looking at an institution that is the equivalent\u2014almost the verisimilitude\u2014of marriage. Why is that? Well, there are ceremonial requirements in respect of civil union that are the same as those of marriage. That is the first point. The second point is that there are dissolution arrangements that are wholly similar to marriage. The 2-year rule is an illustration of that. The third thing is that civil union and marriage are both registered under the same legislation\u2014the Births, Deaths, and Marriages Registration Act. It is a great pity that this legislation\u2014and this Government will be judged by this\u2014is, in effect, whatever others will say, a commitment to a same-sex marriage regime.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003EI will draw an analogy, very quickly, with what other countries are doing. In Australia the Federal Government, at the Senate level, has said that it does not want any part of this. In the United States presidential election, a series of referenda in 11 states overwhelmingly indicated that there should be no commitment to, no encouragement of, same-sex marriage. On Friday we will see a very interesting thing, I think, when the Supreme Court of Canada, on a reference from the Federal Government, looks at that same issue. On Friday at 1 p.m. local time, we will receive a very clear indication that New Zealand is moving against the trend. It is moving against the trend in a way that is so typical of this Government. If it is not: \u201CLet\u2019s ban smoking.\u201D, and if it is not: \u201CLet\u2019s encourage prostitution.\u201D, it is all about \u201CWhy not same-sex marriage?\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d21515bb-0193-4167-a21d-982058b53604\u0022\u003EI think it is quite reasonable for Christian and non-Christian groups across a wide spectrum of the community to say that, no, this is not the Government they want, and that this kind of political correctness should not characterise New Zealand society in its contemporary setting. I express a degree of sadness for those members who have not really seen the light, and have steamed ahead under the directive of the Prime Minister to produce an outcome we should not have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022 data-id=\u002227bb829bbe2a4eb4b96bf00b65c4838b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002227bb829bbe2a4eb4b96bf00b65c4838b\u0022\u003EDARREN HUGHES (Labour\u2014Otaki):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to speak in support of the title and commencement clauses of the Civil Union Bill. It is interesting to follow Richard Worth. I was pleased finally to hear a contribution from him in the Committee stage, particularly after we voted for so many hours on amendments that were proposed by him\u2014not that I am necessarily saying they were drafted, written, or thought of by him, but they were certainly lodged by him on the floor of the Chamber earlier today. One of the things Mr Worth tried to say was that somehow Labour Party members were not exercising a conscience on this bill. I think that is a particularly low thing to say. It is true that the majority of Labour members of Parliament are voting in favour of this bill. A number are not; about six of our colleagues have said they will not support the bill, just as in the National Party the majority oppose the bill, apart from three members who support it. So in the two major parties there is a majority view one way, with a small group doing the opposite of their colleagues. We do not make a big point about that. We just recognise that that is a matter of conscience, so I do not think that is a fair thing for him to say. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EIn terms of the title, the bill is called the Civil Union Bill. However, we have not spent much time in Committee talking about civil unions. Opponents of the bill have spent most of the time talking about marriage and about the great damage that they believe this bill causes to marriage. I do not share that view, at all. The Government was very clear that it would protect marriage and that it would be available only to men and women in heterosexual relationships, because of some of the very specific concerns that members have been raising in this debate about the institution of marriage. The Government went away and looked at creating a new institution of civil union that would be open not just to heterosexual de facto couples but also to same-sex couples. This has not been done as some great attack on marriage, yet a number of MPs have only been able to talk about marriage, as though somehow this bill is an amendment to the Marriage Act. I ask members to reflect on that because we are protecting marriage and keeping it in its current form, but we are saying that given there are 320,000 New Zealanders in loving and committed relationships that are not marriages\u2014either because they have chosen for them not to be or because the law prohibits them from being recognised in law\u2014we are creating a new institution and calling it civil union. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EI welcome the title of the bill. I wish members would focus on that because it does not hurt anybody. There is not one married member of Parliament in this Chamber whose marriage is in anyway demeaned, degraded, or abused by the fact that we will allow other New Zealanders in committed relationships to have the law recognise their relationships. Some members of Parliament are saying they would rather have gay couples treated as legal strangers, because somehow that enhances their own marriages. It has nothing to do with it, at all. People\u2019s relationships are highly individual and unique. If a married couple lives in a street next door to another married couple, and their neighbours\u2019 marriage breaks up\u2014if there is an affair or a divorce\u2014it does not demean their own marriage. We do not say that because we both had marriages and that because next door\u2019s marriage busted up, my marriage has somehow been degraded. I think people are forgetting what relationships are. I do not think it is fair that we should say there should be no legal avenue at all for people who are gay or who are in de facto relationships and who choose not to marry. I cannot see how anybody is made a better person, or how anyone\u2019s relationship is really better, because they have denied their neighbour\u2014or someone who lives four or five streets away, or in another city, town, or village\u2014the right to have their relationship recognised. Nobody has been able to explain that at all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EIn terms of the commencement clause, although I respect the amendment Brian Donnelly is putting forward because it is consistent with New Zealand First\u2019s policy on referendum, I will not be voting for his amendment. In defence of Brian Donnelly, I think the way that some members of Parliament have hijacked the New Zealand First policy as a way of trying to hide their own bankrupt positions on this bill is outrageous. Because they see the bill coming to a very close stage they say \u201CHang on, our arguments have not worked, so how can we try to delay it? I know, we\u2019ll jump on to the New Zealand First bandwagon.\u201D I think that is wrong. The person who is most wrong in that regard is the Leader of the Opposition, because he cast a personal vote in favour of the Prostitution Reform Bill, which went through Parliament with a much tighter margin than this bill looks likely to do, and did not at any point call for a referendum. In fact, the Leader of the Opposition voted for the Prostitution Reform Bill and never had this great call of conscience in terms of a referendum. But New Zealand First, by contrast, has always done that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EI was very disappointed that another leader in this Chamber has called for a referendum, which came as a surprise, and that was the leader of the M\u0101ori Party, Tariana Turia. She now, I understand, believes that important matters ought to be decided for minorities by referendum. That is not her view, of course, on the role of the Treaty of Waitangi in New Zealand. That is not her view on whether New Zealand should have M\u0101ori seats. She does not want to put those issues to the popular vote, because she will not expose minorities to that. I think positions have to be consistent. I support the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022 data-id=\u0022c657d85e8f4d4f32975c4065d016e8a0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c657d85e8f4d4f32975c4065d016e8a0\u0022\u003EPITA PARAONE (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to take a call in this debate, and I do so not from a pious moral position, I might add, but because I am a beneficiary of a binding referendum, which was taken some time ago. While I am not permitted to label members in this Chamber with the \u201Ch\u201D word, I ought to say that in terms of the \u201Ch\u201D word, some people\u2019s actions within this Chamber ought to be called into question. However, I will comment on a number of points made by some members of this Chamber during the debate so far. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EThe first question I ask is why we are in urgency. What is it about this very issue that demands that we have to deal with it under urgency? I have heard some people in this Chamber say that it is a matter of intolerance of one part of our society towards another group. If that is the case, then I want to talk about homosexual law reform, which took place in the 1980s, where the introduction of that legislation was based on the same argument\u2014the intolerance of one part of our community towards another. After that legislation\u2014and it is almost 20 years ago\u2014the intolerance is still there. I do not believe for one minute that this bill will remove the intolerance that exists in this society. The enactment of this legislation will not in any way remove the intolerance that people have been talking about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EEarlier today a member mentioned that one of her offspring had been given a rough time by friends because of the member\u2019s opposition to the bill. I do not know whether that was the reason why that particular member has since changed her view and declared her support for the bill, but I say to that member that if those are the sorts of friends her offspring has, then they are not really friends. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI also noted that that member concluded by saying that this legislation is for young people. Therein, I believe, lies the crux of the concerns that are coming from what may be seen to be a pious moral position in terms of the future of young people. I say that the urgency given this bill will not address that matter in any way. At the end of the day it is a matter of attitude, and the changing of people\u2019s attitudes cannot be achieved by mere legislation. I will suggest to members of this House that in 15 or 20 years\u2019 time the attitude that some people hold towards the intent of this bill will not have changed. If there is to be a change in this area, then the people need to be given the opportunity to participate in the debate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First, as a consequence of its policy of supporting binding referenda, addresses that issue. A referendum provides that opportunity. For those members in the Chamber who are denying that opportunity, it can be only because they fear that the people of New Zealand do not have the capabilities to make the right decisions concerning them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EThere are a number of members on the Government\u2019s side who oppose the bill but do not support the idea of a binding referendum. I say to the members from Mangere, Waimakariri, West Coast - Tasman, and from Tamaki Makaurau, that if they are true to their beliefs in opposing this bill, then they ought to consider supporting New Zealand First\u2019s stance in calling for a referendum. I want to say also to the member for Tamaki Makaurau that if he wants to make a koha, and if he understands the real meaning of koha, this is an opportunity to support binding referenda.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022 data-id=\u00222175ef6238c748a798f9af4b80832828\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222175ef6238c748a798f9af4b80832828\u0022\u003EHon MARIAN HOBBS (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E This is the second speech on this bill that I have given and I am pleased to do so. When I took my first call earlier today I focused a lot on the statement that somebody had quoted that marriage was a \u201Cbreeding unit\u201D, and my objection to that term, particularly as someone who was, as I detailed, brought up in the Catholic Church. Because I believe that relationships are not confined to having children, otherwise why would we allow 70-year-olds to marry. If marriage is about those sorts of issues, why\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3e9062cf84c41dcaaca239e2e2e0b22\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Because they are lonely, that\u2019s why.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ead485a1276b4eb487e8613292644d0f\u0022\u003EHon MARIAN HOBBS\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. Marriage is not the only model of a loving relationship. I do not want to use my own words, because many people who have written to us in the last few days have said this much better. One person wrote: \u201CLove is still love, at the end of the day, and this is extremely important and does not become any less strong because the couple are lesbian or gay.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003EOthers have been saying that people are worried about the erosion that this may cause to their concept of marriage. \u201CI agree\u201D, says one writer, \u201Cwith many opponents to this bill who are worried about the erosion of the two-parent family. But the experience of my siblings, who are all adopted and who came through from abuse and abandonment, remind me that no institution, marriage or civil union alone, ensures the quality of a family\u2019s care for its members.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003EAnother person wrote: \u201CCivil unions do not affect marriage. If we are addressing the sanctity of marriage we should be looking at shotgun weddings, reality media weddings, green card weddings, extramarital affairs, and divorce rates.\u201D So members should not come in here and quote the sanctity of marriage and say that that is the only way relationships can go. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003EWhy do I support this bill? I support it because it gives people some options, some choice. Some people here keep saying that these are only options for the rainbow community. That is not so. I have two letters on this. One says: \u201CMy partner and I have a beautiful baby girl\u201D\u2014they are a male and a female, for those members who are going to get excited\u2014\u201Cand we are a family, despite what the Church and some of you would say. However, in the current legislative climate, we either have to be married or sign powers of attorney just to find out how one of us is going in hospital. The Civil Union Bill will help us with that.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003EAnother person writes: \u201CThere have been many assertions by opponents of the bill that people in heterosexual relationships who do not wish to marry in a church can opt out of that by marriage in a civil ceremony. But that does not address the fundamental issue which is important to many modern people. We do not wish to be married, with all of that institution\u2019s traditional assumptions. We have formed a better, more equal sort of relationship than that modelled by our parents\u2019 generation, with all its failings.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003EThese heterosexual couples are beginning to say: \u201CCivil union is an option for us.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003ENow I come to something that, for me, is really important. The thing that really moves me in this kaupapa is that I have seen during this debate, and over the years since we have been fighting this issue, absolute damage done to the gay and lesbian community. I have known that as a school principal, and I have seen the hurt that has come into kids\u2019 eyes. If people deny this particular legislation going through, they will send the message: \u201CYou in the gay and lesbian community are not fit to form partnerships that are recognised by the State.\u201D They will send the message to adolescents, who already have an extremely high suicide rate in the gay community: \u201CYou are not worth being recognised.\u201D That is not something I want to stand up for or have responsibility for. I want us to recognise and nurture all those people in their loving relationships and to have those relationships recognised by the State. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221583b5cb-f4e0-4981-97ba-193c338ff404\u0022\u003EI have a lovely quote here from a cleric: \u201CKia ora. I write to strongly support the passing of the Civil Union Bill. As a long-time educator and a Presbyterian minister of people in the caring professions, and having been a chaplain in a psychiatric hospital, I have had the opportunity to see the hurt and damage that has been caused by prejudice against homosexuals, and the range of restrictions placed on them by a society only beginning to show loving and humanity in its collective actions and legislative enactments. It was a wonderful move made in the passing of the Homosexual Law Reform Bill almost two decades ago. Please ensure that we continue to move towards a healthy society.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u00227b3a027d7d084dd082430f36e0975ece\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227b3a027d7d084dd082430f36e0975ece\u0022\u003ERON MARK (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I ask members whether any of them recall these dates. In March 1949 there was a referendum on off-course betting and the gaming Act. People say that New Zealanders do not understand referenda and cannot handle them\u2014cannot get their heads around them. That is interesting. That referendum asked two questions, and the country voted 68 percent in favour of off-course betting. In August 1949 there was another referendum, on compulsory military training. How controversial that was in those days! And the country still got its head around it, with 77.9 percent of the population voting \u201CYes\u201D to compulsory military training. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EOn 23 September 1967, people were asked a question regarding the term of Parliament\u20143 years or 4 years. Sixty-eight percent of them got their heads around the question and said \u201C3 years\u201D. In October 1990 there was another referendum on the term of Parliament\u2014the same thing again\u2014and 69 percent confirmed that they wanted it to be 3 years. On 19 September 1992 a very complex two-part referendum asked, firstly, whether people wished to retain first past the post or whether they wished to change the voting system. Eighty-four percent of them got their heads around the complexities of that question and said they wanted to change the voting system. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThe second question asked which voting system they preferred and gave a range of choices\u2014supplementary-member representation system, single transferable vote, MMP, and preferential voting. And what did we get? We got 70.5 percent working their way through the complexities of the arguments and making a decision. They said they wanted MMP. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThat was followed up with another referendum, between MMP and first past the post. The country was bombarded with paper bags on heads and all sorts of strange advertisements. People still got their heads around the question, and 53.9 percent said they wanted MMP, which is the system we have today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EIn September 1997, on the compulsory retirement savings scheme, 91.8 percent got their heads around the complexities of the referendum New Zealand First put up\u2014again, establishing our very long-held belief in the use of referenda\u2014and rejected the compulsory savings scheme. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EIn December 1995 there was a referendum on whether the number of professional firefighters employed in the full-time New Zealand service should be reduced. Labour campaigned on, championed, and hailed this referendum as something they could beat the National Party up with. And what did we get? We got 87.8 percent getting their heads around that complex issue and saying: \u201CDon\u2019t reduce the number of firefighters.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EIn 1999 a referendum asked whether the House of Representatives should be reduced from 120 members to 99. Mrs Robertson received 81.5 percent support from the population, who said: \u201CToo right. We don\u2019t like the voting system, and now we just want you to know we don\u2019t like having too many MPS; get the numbers down.\u201D Did this place listen? No. It has a fine track record of not listening in recent years. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EOn 27 November 1999 we had another referendum, the Withers referendum dealing with longer and harsher penalties, and 91.8 percent of the people clearly got their heads around that question and said they wanted tougher and longer sentences. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003ESo what is the problem? Here we have a situation where Labour is standing up and saying: \u201CWe won. You lost. Eat that! We\u2019re going to make the decisions. We are the ones who know better.\u201D But do they know better? Did National know better when Jenny Shipley declared we were living in a caf\u00E9 society and everybody should be able to buy alcohol. That was just after she launched the Hero Parade in Auckland, I think. The result was that Parliament lowered the drinking age. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EWhat is the result now? People said it was wrong. They said they wanted a choice. Now there has been an 87.4 percent increase in hospitalisation of children aged 14 to 19, because of the drinking problem. The medical experts, the medical professionals\u2014even Matt Robson, who voted to lower the drinking age, now says he was wrong and Parliament was wrong. He is out there campaigning for a member\u2019s bill that he has put together, copying mine. Parliament does not know better. This should be a referendum issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022 data-id=\u0022769d11adab9e449882fdc22eee3e4b39\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022769d11adab9e449882fdc22eee3e4b39\u0022\u003ESANDRA GOUDIE (National\u2014Coromandel):\u003C/span\u003E In speaking to the title clause\u2014because that is what we are supposed to be speaking to\u2014I recall the title put forward by Larry Baldock: \u201CCivil Relationships Act\u201D. I suggest that the title could actually be \u201CAnything Goes Act\u201D. If one sees the premise of the Civil Union Bill as being based on human rights and loving relationships, one has to ask oneself why, then, one would not support polygamy and having multiple partners, a husband having multiple wives or a wife having multiple husbands, or even support incestuous relationships. After all, people could say that it is their human right and their loving relationship. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003EDarren Hughes said that people\u2019s relationships are unique, and Marian Hobbs talked about options and choice. That is what they see as the premise of this bill, so why should the title not be \u201CAnything Goes\u201D? Where do we set the benchmark for society? At what point do we say that this is a fundamental pillar of society and is what we need to nurture, rather than go to an \u201Canything goes\u201D premise based on human rights and loving relationships? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003EPeople have been asking why we in this place are doing this so quickly\u2014why we are not going to public referendum. I fully support Brian Donnelly\u2019s call for a public referendum\u2014absolutely, unequivocally. I could not believe it when I heard Tim Barnett, who is really the driving force behind this bill, actually say he did not believe that the rest of New Zealand, other than those who were affected by this bill, should have the right to have a say in it. That is my understanding of what he said, and I have heard that said also by others in this Parliament. I absolutely deplore that. Every voting New Zealander should have an opportunity to decide what they see as the parameter for New Zealand society, and that is what this is about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003EI will tell members why we are in urgency. I have a number of papers here, and one of them, the homosexual newspaper Express, points out that when Tim Barnett was invited to give his vision for the future, he said: \u201CWe will not have a queer-friendly Government forever.\u201D He also said: \u201CI believe there is a real urgency to completing the equal rights agenda.\u201D That is what was said\u2014\u201CWe will not have a queer-friendly Government forever.\u201D I find that terminology offensive, and I am surprised that the paper itself did not find it offensive. We can look at others of the many bits of paper I have here. There is the MSN news poll, in which 1,337 were in support of the bill and 4,441 were opposed to it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003EIt is no wonder the Government did not want a referendum, because the New Zealand public would have resoundingly and completely dumped this bill. The Government brought the bill to this Committee of the whole House, under urgency, and we know the reason: it wants to pass it while it has the opportunity, because that opportunity will never come again. We have to wonder about what this Government really does, because another of the pieces of information that came across my desk stated that on 29 September 2003, Ms Dalziel, while still a Minister, announced that new immigration partnership rules were to take immediate effect. That meant that marriage relationships were, for the first time, to be treated as exact equivalents to de facto, heterosexual, and same-sex partnerships in terms of applications for permanent resident status in New Zealand. So they have already started. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003EI refer now to something Ian Wishart said, because we do not know what we have until it has gone. When a fundamental change like this is made, it is a fundamental change to society, and we have to think really carefully about what we do. Therefore, another reason why a referendum is needed is so the whole of society can say what it thinks the potential effects will be. We do not know what will be in place in 20 years\u2019 time, or what the effects will be. There will be enormous amounts of effects. Ian Wishart asks whether we really believe that humanity has suddenly become so enlightened. As members heard from a previous speaker, society\u2019s answer to that would be a resounding no. Do we believe that a select group of New Zealand parliamentarians know better than the collective human wisdom of New Zealand society? The answer would have to be absolutely and categorically no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022 data-id=\u0022f207ffd9b1b8437293671669b6235ea1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f207ffd9b1b8437293671669b6235ea1\u0022\u003ESTEPHEN FRANKS (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I am supporting the strike-down referendum proposal in this part of the debate, the title debate, for two reasons: first, it might give the population a chance to find out what the bill really does, which is almost nothing except to direct a pantomime ceremony, and, second, it takes at face value the claims of its supporters. We have heard them tonight. In fact, we have heard them all day, arguing that this bill is about respecting our fellow New Zealanders. This bill is about not denigrating people\u2019s lifestyle choices, or, if they are not choices, the way they are born. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EIf this bill is passed by this House, which is not hugely respected, it will not carry the respect of the community. The respect of the community would come if the bill is passed because New Zealanders say they wanted to confer that endorsement. I think there might be a lot of New Zealanders who would do that. I suspect, if that had been a requirement, the bill would be quite different. It would actually do what claimants said it will do\u2014remove disabilities and recognise that people who choose to live together in a sharing and stable committed relationship do deserve to be able to opt in to the rights presently enjoyed by married couples. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EBut this bill does not do anything of that. It does not require any kind of stable, long-term commitment to a shared life. In that respect, that is because marriage has been gutted, and that is because the State now says that marriage is just one of the few contracts that is absolutely unenforceable. It is one of the few contracts where the State will not even allow spouses to contract about damages until each has spent about $500 or $600 on lawyers, and even then the State will overturn it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003ESo this bill, and the debate about it, are about different visions of morality or respect. I think that if New Zealanders had a chance to vote, the leader writers in the papers might actually do a bit more research and see what it really is about. But what has driven me to speak yet again is the contempt for morality that I have seen from the bill\u2019s proponents. I say that not because I share the concern that this bill will make any difference whatsoever to my marriage or to anyone else\u2019s marriage\u2014I think marriage now has been emptied of content for a very long time\u2014but because of what the Labour Party claims here. Morality and culture matter enormously, and we do not really know how they are created and what erodes them. Unless one is racist, one does not think that a 38-year life expectancy in Botswana, Rhodesia, Zimbabwe, South Africa, or any other African country is a result of Blacks being somehow inferior or more susceptible. It is very clear that it is because the cultural norms in those countries have contributed to corruption, to an inability to govern, and to a huge spread of AIDS\u2014people\u2019s sexual morality also contributes. Promiscuity and prostitution as a norm actually make for Africa\u2019s condemnation. It is serious. It is a dreadful price to pay to have that kind of outcome. There are millions of orphans. That situation comes because of culture, and we do not know why it is so much more severe in Africa than elsewhere. We do know that there ought to be a bit of humility about what contributes to cultural norms, how they are built, and how they get destroyed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003EHere on my right are the Greens, who are terrified of a little bit of contamination with GE. That is basically superstitious, because science does not support them. Yet these people, with Sue Kedgley beside me, were scoffing at what she saw was superstition on the part of Christians who fear the impact of this bill. As I said, I do not share that fear, but I believe fervently that they have every right to continue to express it. What I do fear is the agenda that lies behind this bill, which is: \u201CWhen we get this bill passed, we will make it impossible for people to express those views.\u201D That is what lies behind this bill. This is the hate-speech thing; this is the Human Rights Act thing. Once this bill is through, a church will not be able to refuse to hire out its hall for one of those ceremonies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226097c73a1b814faa84f69b04fefc7f86\u0022\u003EHon David Benson-Pope\u003C/span\u003E: Absolute rubbish!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4030eb1-1b72-4bc3-b00d-7126013abc01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227cd9eb3f82484f538aaa6f333056b409\u0022\u003ESTEPHEN FRANKS\u003C/span\u003E: The member should read the Human Rights Act. When I asked to have an assurance that if this bill went through we would have some protection from that kind of outcome, Labour Party members said no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022 data-id=\u0022f9322c508b634d2d9d24254676906a90\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f9322c508b634d2d9d24254676906a90\u0022\u003EBARBARA STEWART (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to speak to clause 1 and to support Brian Donnelly\u2019s amendment to have a referendum on civil unions in New Zealand. At the moment our form of democracy consists of placing ticks in boxes only once every 3 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b65d8c3d54914732adf3b4bf63d86c9c\u0022\u003EHon Dr Michael Cullen\u003C/span\u003E: Two ticks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022221221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209d199cb469c46b6b9d5360d6e3e9d2e\u0022\u003EBARBARA STEWART\u003C/span\u003E: We get to place two ticks only once every 3 years. We have the right of free speech, but most of the time nobody is listening. Most of the time most people are left either muttering to themselves or complaining to talkback radio. Often we even hear politicians on talkback radio. On this issue of civil unions the voice of ordinary New Zealanders is being lost. Like all MPs, I have received hundreds of emails and letters showing that the people of New Zealand definitely have some thoughts on this issue. A binding referendum would ensure that the voice of New Zealanders is heard on this issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022221221\u0022\u003ERight throughout this entire debate, we have heard many different statistics on whether civil unions should proceed. Who knows which is the correct set of statistics? Are both sets of statistics right? Who really knows? Why not let the people of New Zealand choose? After all, members are here in Parliament basically to serve the people. We need to, and we can, trust the people and rely on their goodwill and common sense. I know that the statistics on previous referendums that my colleague Ron Mark read out earlier show that the people do understand what referendums are all about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fe1eef81153b407b8d6adb581da27cae\u0022\u003ERon Mark\u003C/span\u003E: Labour thinks they are thick!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221b9edd3fa8af422d99c8693de52baaf5\u0022\u003EBARBARA STEWART\u003C/span\u003E: New Zealanders are definitely not thick; they do know what this issue is about. We are saying that democracy is far too important to be left solely to politicians. We say that it is far better to rely on the common sense of ordinary people to make decisions on some of the issues that are facing New Zealand. Why? Because politicians cannot be relied on to do the right thing and to act in accordance with the wishes of the majority. When people elect a Government to safeguard their society, culture, liberty, and future, the elected representatives have an obligation to listen to them. Democracy is totally lost when that elected Government and its officials fail to hear the voice of the people. That is what the Government is doing in this particular instance. The major benefit of binding citizens initiated referenda would be to end a political system whereby the inner circle of various Governments\u2014as my colleague pointed out earlier, there have been many Governments that have initiated referenda\u2014comes up with an agenda, and the Government\u2019s MPs are forced basically to fall into line.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003EWe know that citizens initiated referenda are not new. They are very common in Switzerland, where the people have voted on 300 issues over the past 100 years, and Brian Donnelly talked about that earlier. To give an example of citizens initiated referenda there, Switzerland recently had a referendum on spending money to upgrade the roading system, and it failed because the voters over there wanted their hospitals upgraded first. When the hospitals were completed, they then voted to upgrade the roads. So referenda can be used by a Government to seek endorsement of, or a veto on, issues or other policy matters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003EI would say that the people of New Zealand would definitely know what they were voting for when it came to this particular referendum. It is more than just a moral issue. We believe that New Zealanders can make a decision, so let them have a voice on this particular issue. The bottom line is that opportunities to let them have a voice are often missed, because all of us politicians are talking when, really, we should be listening. We have heard from Ron Mark that the people of New Zealand can participate successfully in referenda. They have done so in the past, so why not ask them to participate in a referendum on this particular issue? It can be done. The people of New Zealand are not thick. They need to have a say. This bill did not need to be pushed through in urgency.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022 data-id=\u0022ccf1a6f2c74445d3bd3e8ee4c20a917c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ccf1a6f2c74445d3bd3e8ee4c20a917c\u0022\u003EDr PAUL HUTCHISON (National\u2014Port Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair, for the opportunity to take a call on the title and commencement date of this very important and controversial bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EIn this debate I think there has been very little discussion on the evolution over historical time\u2014and I am looking at Dr Cullen as I say this\u2014of this bill. I accept that the argument that this bill is being hurried through is not true; in New Zealand parliamentary terms there has been a fair amount of discussion about this bill. But in historical evolutionary terms the genesis of this bill is very short.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EI heard Nandor Tanczos say the other night on television\u2014and I have to be careful to quote him right\u2014\u201CThe principle is simple. It\u2019s about whether people should have equal civil rights.\u201D But surely, in an ideal world, the principle is about freedom of choice; surely, liberal philosophy would say that as much freedom as possible is ideal, provided that it does no harm; and, surely, the freedom to be able to shape the framework of one\u2019s own relationship is the ideal. Here in New Zealand we have a common law that can underpin that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003ELast night I had spoken along those lines in this Chamber, and, much to my surprise, I had a variety of emails, with one from none other than a former Labour Party member, Judy Keall, who said: \u201CIsn\u2019t the logical conclusion of your argument that the Marriage Act is not needed in New Zealand?\u201D. I say to Judy Keall that important, enduring institutions such as marriage will survive through the centuries, irrespective of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EThe point that I really want to make is this. Over the last 60 years we have seen huge changes in civil rights and human rights for same-gender relationships. I welcome them and I celebrate them, but\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022692ab19dea4e4e8fb0a588b0fec119b8\u0022\u003EDarren Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: But you are voting against it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228548726a707a4cb3a27726bf4eda514c\u0022\u003EDr PAUL HUTCHISON\u003C/span\u003E: Not at all. I say once again that, biologically, there are huge differences between men and women. As a former gynaecologist, I certainly have had a little bit of experience of that very point. Biologically, there are huge differences between same-sex unions and heterosexual unions. To my mind, all should be celebrated. There is no question about it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EWe should think of Oscar Wilde. How would he be in modern-day New Zealand? He would be able to be as creative as he wanted. He would have that wonderful freedom. He would be able to shape the sort of relationship that he wanted to have, and to know that it was underpinned by common law. He would be able to celebrate that relationship in any way he wanted\u2014unshackled by some sort of civil union that the Labour Government would want him to have. Surely, we have in this country at present the ideal situation, and the Oscar Wildes of 60 years ago would think it was the ultimate, ideal situation for them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EIt seems to me that the Labour Government\u2014and many of the European countries it quotes\u2014has followed the herd instinct and ignored the opportunity of freedom that the present situation in fact allows people. In historical terms, the institution of marriage has evolved enormously over the years, and it has had a considerable amount of reshaping. But, in historical terms, the longstanding prejudices against gays and lesbians in the legislative sense have been unshackled in a relatively short period of time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EI believe that this bill is absolutely short-sighted. This bill actually curtails hard-won freedoms for same-sex couples. I have heard from my legal colleagues that the human rights issues, such as the hospital-visiting rights that Moana Mackey talked about, can easily be sorted out through simple\u2014not complicated\u2014legal remedies that provide what the Labour Government wants. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022 data-id=\u0022ee405fc2c5a64af59e075f14530675f8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ee405fc2c5a64af59e075f14530675f8\u0022\u003EGORDON COPELAND (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E In the history of this Parliament, I wonder whether there has ever been such a misnomer of a bill to the extent that this title is. This bill is called the Civil Union Bill, but right now in New Zealand we all know that we have civil disunion. This country is divided very, very deeply indeed, according to whichever poll one likes to look at. I will take one that is relatively recent: the TV3 poll of 1,000 people, where 46 percent were in favour of this bill and 45 percent were against.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EIn the months ahead I think this bill will reshape the political landscape of this country. I say to the Labour Government that I am quite sure from the contacts I have that it has lost touch with its own support base. Let me tell the Committee about a recent conversation I had with a member of a blue-collar workers union of this country. He told me that he and his fellow unionists\u2014thousands of them\u2014have voted Labour for generations. It has never crossed their minds to vote for anybody else, because they revere the memory of people like Norman Kirk and Michael Joseph Savage, and so on and so forth. But he went on to say to me that they are now thinking the unthinkable, and that next year they will no longer vote for the Labour Party. He gave me the reason: the Labour Party\u2019s moral agenda. It is not just civil unions but the whole agenda: legalised prostitution, resistance to parental notification of young women under 16 years who are pregnant and seek an abortion, and assisted human reproduction. Civil unions are just the last straw. It has been a cumulative process that has led them now to say they will no longer vote for the Labour Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EWhat sorts of people are in those kinds of unions? They are heterosexual males of every race and colour, most of them are married, and most of them have kids. In other words, they are simply decent, mainstream people who regard Ken Douglas as an icon, and they have traditionally voted for the Labour Party. Labelling such people as homophobic causes deep resentment. I have spoken on civil union from, literally, Auckland to Gore, to hundreds of people at public meetings. At none of those meetings has any one on any occasion ever said to me that he or she dislikes or hates homosexuals\u2014not one. Yet in this Committee we are told that anybody who opposes this bill is homophobic. If one says: \u201CI\u2019m not homophobic.\u201D, the response is: \u201COh yes, you are homophobic.\u201D If one persists: \u201CNo, I\u2019m not homophobic.\u201D, the response is: \u201COh yes, I insist you are homophobic.\u201D That, I think, is a symbol simply of paranoia. Maybe it is paranoia that we are seeing very often, when people rush in so quickly to label other people with such a term\u2014which means, for those who do not know, that the person dislikes or hates gays.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EThat is ridiculous nonsense. These are not people who are against other people. They are not people who are against gays, or lesbians, or this group, or that group, or bisexuals. These are people who are for something: for their marriages, for their children, and for their grandchildren. They are concerned about what their children and their grandchildren will be taught in the future if we pass this bill, because what will be taught to those children will be changed overnight. We are talking about a deep change in our culture, and unless we teach our culture and our morals to the next generation and beyond, we will eventually see Western civilisation, as we know it, undermined, and this measure is a step in that direction. These people are concerned that here we are again taking out another moral signpost, so that our young people are left in greater confusion than they have ever been in terms of what is right and what is wrong, in terms of how to live life, and in terms of what is wisdom and what is folly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EI say to the Labour Party that these people have given up on it. Members will see, I am sure, that that is fulfilled in the days and the months ahead, and they will see it especially in the results of the 2005 election, because I have it on assurance that a lot of these people will vote for an alternative to the Labour Party, for the first time in their lives.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022 data-id=\u0022eff6fe62e35346d8a0ee06af7cf8b778\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eff6fe62e35346d8a0ee06af7cf8b778\u0022\u003EHon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Deputy Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E I want to take the call in part to say to the member who preceded me that although I respect his views deeply, I have been here for 23 years and I do not know how many times I have heard the death of the Labour Party pronounced during that period. We leave Lazarus for dead in terms of our ability to rise from the grave. I have seen parties come and go in this House. Social Credit\u2014where is it now? The Alliance\u2014where is it now? I have a feeling that one or two parties here now will be gone at some point in the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003EThe ACT party will almost certainly be gone at the next election. I want to say one word to Mr Franks: if he is so keen on referenda, will it be the ACT party\u2019s policy at the next election that any State asset sale will be subject to a referendum? Oh no, no, of course not! We could not do that! We could not trust the people to make that kind of decision; that would be far too dangerous!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003EI want to come back to something I touched on this morning and that is the difference between ecclesiastical law and secular law\u2014the law of the Church and the law of the State. Nothing in this bill detracts from the law of the Church. Marriage remains a sacrament for the Catholic Church. If Parliament legislates for a civil union, marriage remains a sacrament for the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church continues to draw a distinction between the significance of that sacrament and any other marriage performed under any other form of even Church or secular law. That does not change. But for the State, it is important to regularise relationships across the board. We started doing that in 1754 in English law, and we carried on in 1836 in terms of extending marriage outside the closed circle of the Church of England and the Quakers. They were the only people who could marry under English law before 1836. That is actually not that long ago in terms of the evolution of our society.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003EI have heard this stuff about the collapse of Western civilisation before. I think probably Mr Copeland is one of those who thinks the Roman Empire collapsed because of moral decay. It is a bit strange that it collapsed after it was converted to Christianity, and after the collapse of republican libertarianism in the 1st century BC, and after all the stuff about lions versus Christians in the Coliseum had long since gone. It was after all of that that the Roman Empire collapsed, when it was a Christian civilisation; that is when it collapsed\u2014the barbarians overwhelmed it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003EI want to know how recognising the deep emotional feelings of two people who do not wish to go through, or cannot go through, a formal marriage ceremony affects Mr Copeland\u2019s marriage or my marriage. How does the fact that both of my daughters live in non-married, permanent relationships with extremely nice young men affect the meaning of the sacrament of marriage to Mr Copeland as a practising Roman Catholic? I was raised as a sort of Anglican, and for 5 years a real one. I myself am an atheist, and have been so since I was at secondary school. If one goes to Christ\u2019s College, it is the obvious thing to be, actually, at the end of the day! I do not understand how anybody can feel that his or her feelings and beliefs are in any way entrenched upon by this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003EIn terms of what Dr Hutchison raised, I have to say that sometimes when one has been too close to an issue for too long, one can actually fail to see its significance. I have a feeling that is his problem about sexual differences, to put it as bluntly as I can. I fail to see how recognition of civil unions can affect what he said. He said that people\u2019s liberties stop at the point where they entrench upon others, but recognising a civil union of two gay people does not entrench upon the meaning that marriage, whether through the church or elsewhere, has for other people. If we do not recognise two gay people or two heterosexual people who wish to live together in a civil union, but do not wish to go through a marriage ceremony, particularly an ecclesiastical marriage ceremony, we are saying to them that the State does not recognise their relationship as having some permanence or some meaning. Why do we do that, because the State, in fact, is neutral between those things?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003EI make a final point, and I relate it back to a referendum. A referendum on these issues is dangerous because these issues are about the rights of minorities, not about the rights of majorities. I say to those with deep religious beliefs that if one starts making the freedom of one\u2019s religion dependent upon the will of transitory majorities, one is treading on very, very dangerous grounds indeed. I say to Mr Copeland, a practising Catholic, that he should investigate the long, long history of Catholic oppression within even our society. It was incomprehensible for a long period of time that a practising Roman Catholic could be Prime Minister of New Zealand. Now it is taken for granted that that is a possibility.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022212212\u0022 data-id=\u0022ecb0022fb7b743c8b790c4d6e246325e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022212212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ecb0022fb7b743c8b790c4d6e246325e\u0022\u003ECRAIG McNAIR (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E If the Government is so sure the people of New Zealand want this bill, it should put the issue to a binding referendum and stop being a Government for a minority. That is what New Zealand First believes, and personally I say: \u201CStop being a Government for a minority within a minority.\u201D Why is the Government not governing for the people and listening to what they want? I feel very strongly that this Government does not want to put this issue to a referendum, because it thinks it would lose. But my colleague Brian Donnelly disagrees with me, and I strongly disagree with him. I think that people on my side of the argument\u2014those against the bill\u2014would win this referendum. But at the end of the day at least Brian Donnelly and I will be willing to go into a polling booth, and the people will have their say. One side will win and the other will lose, but the matter will be put to rest. That is what I say as a member of New Zealand First who strongly and vehemently disagrees with my colleague as far as this issue is concerned. That is what I say about which way the vote will swing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022212212\u0022\u003EBut let us have that opportunity so the people of New Zealand can decide this issue, instead of the Government voting on behalf of its own self-interest. The Government should stop pushing its own agenda, and listen to the people for once. The arrogance ones hears from members opposite is quite amazing. They argue against a referendum. They are incredibly arrogant, believing they know best. We hear that viewpoint, speech in and speech out. \u201CWe know best. The people don\u2019t know.\u201D The Deputy Prime Minister, who is also the Minister of Finance, said that it was too dangerous to put this issue to the people. I am sure that Government members think the people of New Zealand are too thick. But they are not. They are very capable of making up their minds on issues like this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022212212\u0022\u003EWe hear a Government Minister and members of Parliament slagging the US administration and the people of that country. Mark Peck, member for Invercargill, basically said the people of the US were intolerant, because they voted down the referendum put up by 11 state Governments to allow gay marriage and civil unions. They voted it down, and this Labour Government wonders why it does not have a closer relationship with the United States, when it knows the degree of sentiment within those benches. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022212212\u0022\u003EI oppose the bill but I do not mind this issue being put to a referendum, because the people will get what they deserve, either way. Whichever way they vote, they will get what they deserve. The history books tell us that the nation of Israel told their God that they knew best. They wanted their own king to rule them, rather than God Himself. In the end, God gave the people what they wanted, and the people paid for it later on. They had wars and the king who followed failed them miserably in many, many ways. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022212212\u0022\u003EI say we should put this issue to a referendum, because I believe that the people would vote it down. The Government does not want a referendum, because it believes that the people would vote it down. The Government should rename the bill: \u201CWe don\u2019t care about what you think, because we will do what we want and push through our lefty liberal legislative agenda, no matter what you say bill\u201D. That is a long title, but it is true. That is what this Government wants to do. It does not care what the people of New Zealand think. It just wants to ram through its lefty liberal agenda, and it does not give a stuff. My view on the issue is the opposite of most Government members, but I say this issue should be put to a referendum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221fb8d8db-3e96-49c7-ab1c-b7916a50e30e\u0022 data-id=\u002249eb49906a7349d79d5bcda9fbae9823\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221fb8d8db-3e96-49c7-ab1c-b7916a50e30e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002249eb49906a7349d79d5bcda9fbae9823\u0022\u003ESTEVE CHADWICK (Labour\u2014Rotorua):\u003C/span\u003E I am pleased to get an opportunity to take a call, because I believe that I am hearing extreme views in the Chamber tonight, and I want to put a moderate and probably rather boring view on the Civil Union Bill. It certainly has not excited the passions in my community, and I am an electorate MP who sees people every day. There is nothing too salacious or sexy in my life story. I do not have a Pandora\u2019s box I can open that the media will love. However, I have a view of the world that I think is entirely balanced and valid. I come from a family that showed us love, and generous, inclusive, and tolerant values of the world, and they were also open to intelligent and free debate. So I am probably a moderate liberal, one might say. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221fb8d8db-3e96-49c7-ab1c-b7916a50e30e\u0022\u003EWhen listening to the debate, I found it interesting to hear people say that there are no next-of-kin rights that we need to give protections via the law in this Civil Union Bill. I can assure members that in my years of experience as a nurse I saw many homosexual couples denied the rights to have a say as next of kin at the time of death, and I found those situations incredibly sad. I am glad to see that those provisions will be protected in this bill. I also had a personal experience when my husband and I went to put a notice in the paper about the birth of our first son. The advertisement should have read: \u201CTo Steve and John, a son\u201D. We were thrilled about it, but the paper would not publish it, because it thought that we were a couple of homosexuals. We had to show our wedding certificate to prove that we were not, before that notice went into the paper. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221fb8d8db-3e96-49c7-ab1c-b7916a50e30e\u0022\u003EI come from a strong human rights framework, where the world looks at eliminating discrimination, especially against minority groups. I remind the Committee that in 1994 and 1999 we were signatories to a couple of major covenants that were committed to recognising the diversity of the family, developing policies and laws that better supported the family, contributing to its stability, and taking into account the plurality of all its forms. National when in Government signed up to the United Nations International Conference on Population and Development in 1994 and 1999. Other conventions and protocols also protect the rights of children under United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, which the National Government signed. It said that children should not be discriminated against on the basis of their parents\u2019 status. We have forgotten that we have signed global covenants and global human rights laws that protect those values, and here we are today relitigating this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221fb8d8db-3e96-49c7-ab1c-b7916a50e30e\u0022\u003EI am hearing arguments about values that, frankly, make me sick. As if those who come from a Christian basis have a greater ownership of values than those of us who are agnostic but who care and are inclusive and respectful! They have no greater cache on values because they have God on their side. We do not need to be told. We have a brain. I do not need to be told how to vote on these issues by leadership in the Catholic Church or the Destiny Church. My point of view comes from life experience. I am tired of the hypocrisy in this House. I have heard MPs speak out against this bill, and I know what they are hiding behind. We know that they themselves need to look at their own hearts, their own lives, and their own values about how they treat their wives, partners, or look at their own sexuality. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221fb8d8db-3e96-49c7-ab1c-b7916a50e30e\u0022\u003ENew Zealand and the world looks at us as MPs and thinks: \u201CLook at yourselves honestly, and live an honest life and reflect it in the way you vote in this House.\u201D It is incredibly sad, when we see and hear sexual and lewd innuendo in the House. We saw it yesterday when Mr Brown was worried about his microphone. When people have to revert to such lewdness, I always wonder what they are hiding. As individuals, what are we hiding? What are we worried about? This bill is absolutely a victimless bill. There is no victim. There is no harm when two individuals of same sex want to live a life that hurts nobody else in society. I say give it to them. I am proud of this bill. I will put up with the rubbish in my community from an Anglican canon who said that we spell disaster in all directions. I do not mind.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220d9640b0-d861-43d8-b321-e7ba56dbe362\u0022 data-id=\u0022e3259d551a434b6390bce5fe86d34ece\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220d9640b0-d861-43d8-b321-e7ba56dbe362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e3259d551a434b6390bce5fe86d34ece\u0022\u003EJUDY TURNER (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E As I rise tonight to make what will probably be my last contribution on this bill, I want to take the time to thank the literally hundreds and hundreds of New Zealanders who have been concerned enough about this issue, on both sides of the argument, to take the time to send me their opinions on this matter. I noticed earlier in the debate that Mr Barnett took great delight in reading out some of the more extreme and negative sides to the argument that I have been taking. I guess I, too, could have played that game if I had wanted to. I also have received, from those supporting the bill, some rather appalling emails that I am sure even he would be ashamed of. I will not disgrace the Committee by reading excerpts from them. However, I do want to take time to honour the people who have written to me and who do not get the chance to vote on this legislation that has been given to us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220d9640b0-d861-43d8-b321-e7ba56dbe362\u0022\u003EI would like to read a very significant article that was sent to me, which has influenced my thinking. It is entitled \u201CCivil Unions\u2014A Question of Justice\u201D. It states: \u201CIn many respects the debate about according legal recognition to homosexual relationships, be it through civil unions or marriage licences, is an argument about justice. It is unjust, some say, to limit marriage\u2019s legal benefits to one man and one woman who commit themselves to a lifelong exclusive relationship. In modern times the word \u2018discrimination\u2019 is often used as a synonym for injustice. On one level, this echoes the fact that every human being, by virtue of being human, enjoys equal dignity. They are thus entitled to be treated in certain ways. But does equal dignity automatically translate into equal treatment? The short answer is, not always. There is, for example, nothing discriminatory about declining to issue a gun licence to a child. This does not mean that the child is not owed equal respect as a person, but the child may be legitimately denied a shooting licence because a child person is different from an adult person with regard to guns. In this example, discrimination is not unjust. It is in fact an act of just discrimination. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220d9640b0-d861-43d8-b321-e7ba56dbe362\u0022\u003E\u201CWhen we apply the same logic to the question of extending marriage\u2019s legal benefits to homosexual couples, which is what civil unions do, we begin to see that denying such benefits is not unjust. Those claiming that homosexuals should be allowed to enter civil unions often argue that a homosexual couple\u2019s relationship can be equal to a man and woman\u2019s relationship. They maintain that such elements, such as the duration of the relationship between two persons, its sexual character, its mutual dependence, its exclusiveness, may be as present in a homosexual couple\u2019s relationship as in a heterosexual relationship. These elements do not, however, constitute the basic reasons why marriage is accorded legal privileges. They are, rather, the necessary preconditions for the feature that makes marriage different from other restricted dependent sexual and lasting relationships. This element is the distinct function of procreating and raising children.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220d9640b0-d861-43d8-b321-e7ba56dbe362\u0022\u003ETonight, as we finish the Committee stage, that is what I want to focus on. For me the deciding factor in this matter is: what do we think and what are we considering? Are we considering the rights and the desires of adults who want some formalisation and status for their adult relationship, or are we thinking past that, to what we see developing in terms of family units in which children are to be raised and where there is no intention from the outset of giving those children either a mother or a father? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220d9640b0-d861-43d8-b321-e7ba56dbe362\u0022\u003EThis issue is not about whether the adults involved are caring people\u2014whether they are suitable to be in contact with children and raising children. That is not the question here. It is not a judgment on whether gay people are able to be suitable parents. But when we talk about children in the law, we talk about their welfare, their immediate safety, their nurturing and well-being, and then we talk about their long-term best interests. It is in that area where I have some serious concerns. Certainly, to date and historically, social parenting arrangements for children have always ended predominantly with those children needing to search out their biological parents, to help provide the important pieces of the jigsaw that determine their identity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022 data-id=\u0022cb191f3103a145bab8536945acb696ee\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cb191f3103a145bab8536945acb696ee\u0022\u003ELIANNE DALZIEL (Labour\u2014Christchurch East):\u003C/span\u003E I am not opposed to referenda, per se. I think that there are some constitutional issues that should be decided only by a referendum, like the electoral system. But I think there was a flaw in the MMP referendum, even though I was a very strong supporter of MMP. The flaw was the quality of the material that was presented to the public before they voted on the subject. People might recall some paper bags appearing on the heads of certain people as they said that list MPs would be invisible, not known to the public, yet we have some very fine list MPs in this Parliament today. Everyone who quotes Switzerland fails to mention the 20 years that lay between the law being voted on and passed in that country, and the referenda that prevented it from becoming law. It was the law to allow women the vote in Switzerland. It is very interesting how a majority\u2014in that case, only men were able to vote in it\u2014was able to keep women away from the polling booth for so long. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EI recall attending a seminar on alcohol policy a few years ago. We were told that binding referenda in California had completely tied the legislature\u2019s hands over imposing taxes on the sale of liquor. It was interesting because price is a very powerful weapon against increased consumption. In fact, taxes had been used deliberately to minimise the harm that alcohol causes. The graphs showed consumption levels before the referendum was carried. They showed a steady increase in consumption particularly amongst young people once taxes could not be imposed. We might think that that is the will of the people; they voted for it. However, if we compare how much money the liquor interests poured into the advertising campaign with the pittance that the public health groups could put up against that campaign, then we know that the powerful will always be better placed to persuade the majority. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EI was in the United States when the Hillary Clinton bill on health reform was before Congress. I sat in on some of the committee hearings, so I heard stories from ordinary Americans, who came to tell their stories of losing health-care coverage when they needed it most. I heard one man talk about being sacked when his wife became terminally ill, and his company\u2019s health maintenance organisation did not want to keep paying her for treatment. But it was not those stories that I saw on TV\u2014the stories of ordinary people. I saw the insurance industry having a field day. I saw insurance company advertisements, with actors playing the roles of a couple at work. One said: \u201CGee, this health reform bill sounds great, doesn\u2019t it?\u201D, and the other one said: \u201CYeah, but it\u2019s a shame we won\u2019t be able to offer our employees the benefits we have been able to offer them in the past.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EPublic opinion destroyed that legislation. That, to me, says that the real issue here is: why would we want a referendum when someone like Brian T\u0101maki, who has plenty of money to spend on advertising campaigns, will be able to outspend everyone else, building fear and loathing amongst decent New Zealanders who give their hard-earned money in accordance with the Bible\u2019s call for a tithe? I think it is very important that people realise that that is what opening up a referendum would do. I think a biblical reference to a camel passing through the eye of a needle might well apply to an evangelist on a Harley Davidson. But I am not prepared to give him, and others like him, a platform for the hatefulness he has brought to this debate. If anyone thinks that it is hateful, I say that it is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EI want to quote from an email that I received today: \u201CI agree with many opponents to this bill who are worried about the erosion of the two-parent family as the core of our society, but the experience of my siblings reminds me that no institution alone ensures the quality of a family\u2019s care for its members. There is nothing inherently sacred or sacrosanct about a marriage between a man and a woman that produces violence, physical and sexual abuse, and self-hatred as it has done for my siblings. As you consider this bill, I encourage those opposed to abstain or vote in favour, so that the Parliament\u2019s energies may be redirected towards bills that strengthen all family units in whatever form they take. The greatest threat to the institution of marriage lies in married couples who abuse their vows, not with gay couples who wish to make a formal commitment to each other.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EI feel very strongly about this. Two people who love each other and want to commit their lives to each other are not to be loathed or feared. All this bill does is give people who cannot marry, or do not wish to marry, access to a status that is recognised in law. This is a matter of civil rights. It should be decided by Parliament, not a referendum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fc82cea8-c84d-4ab7-8597-31916dbedc43\u0022 data-id=\u0022ee86a586cc0440708a7774742abb4cb4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc82cea8-c84d-4ab7-8597-31916dbedc43\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ee86a586cc0440708a7774742abb4cb4\u0022\u003EEDWIN PERRY (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I think the title should be: \u201CMerry Christmas (Civil Union Marriage) Bill\u201D, which if this bill passes it will be. In the debate today we have heard many views on this issue, views mainly putting down the suggestion of a referendum. I am not pointing the finger at Mr Darren Hughes directly, but a number of Labour MPs protested against the right of all New Zealanders to participate in a referendum. I say to those members that the amendment for a referendum that Mr Donnelly is putting forward would be good for Labour, because on the day of the general election if Labour wins, it will be on the right side of it, and if it loses\u2014well, sorry\u2014it will be on the wrong side of it. But a referendum would give the people of Aotearoa an opportunity to make a decision about whether the legislation becomes law, rather than have a number of MPs, including Labour members, make the decision to pass the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc82cea8-c84d-4ab7-8597-31916dbedc43\u0022\u003EI say to United Future folk that they had the opportunity to put this bill to bed. But no, they did not do that. This bill is no different from the bill about cannabis, and I would not agree to that, either. United Future put that bill down, and it could have done the same with the Civil Union Bill. It could have told Labour that it disagreed with this legislation but that it agreed with putting it to a referendum. It could have pinched New Zealand First\u2019s thunder, but it has missed the boat. Now, United Future members are wasting taxpayers\u2019 money, sitting here debating this bill. I say to the people of New Zealand that they should note what has been said by United Future members, who had the opportunity to put this bill down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc82cea8-c84d-4ab7-8597-31916dbedc43\u0022\u003EI remind our colleague from Labour Mr Choudhary that he swore on the Koran\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a8abbfef49c44f80a796beddb3610c42\u0022\u003ELianne Dalziel\u003C/span\u003E: Don\u2019t be like that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc82cea8-c84d-4ab7-8597-31916dbedc43\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222229bffd008448d2894cc671140e624f\u0022\u003EEDWIN PERRY\u003C/span\u003E:\u2014and just recently on Morning Report I heard that reports are coming in that the people he represents are not happy about what he is doing. I say to him that he should save his face and vote against this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc82cea8-c84d-4ab7-8597-31916dbedc43\u0022\u003EI say to members opposite, including Lianne Dalziel, that the poll taken on Television One showing that 21,000 people had phoned in, reported that 17,000 were against the bill and 4,000 were for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c7760bf3f054f28a561b2ba2a368e74\u0022\u003ELianne Dalziel\u003C/span\u003E: That doesn\u2019t mean anything.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc82cea8-c84d-4ab7-8597-31916dbedc43\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d65aa318eca6442d9f30aa7fc7cb29d1\u0022\u003EEDWIN PERRY\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, it does. Where has Labour been getting its polls from? I do not know. All New Zealanders are wondering about that, quite frankly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc82cea8-c84d-4ab7-8597-31916dbedc43\u0022\u003EI say to the people of New Zealand that the Rt Hon Winston Peters introduced a referendum in November 2003. We are the only party, as Mr Hughes said, that has been consistent about referenda. We have been consistent and we are consistent now, but everybody else has hung on the end of our coat-tails for a referendum on this bill. Obviously, we are happy they are doing that, because it puts more pressure on the Government to push our amendment put forward by Mr Donnelly. I tell Mr Hughes that more of his k\u014Drero with regard to a referendum would be really appreciated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc82cea8-c84d-4ab7-8597-31916dbedc43\u0022\u003EI shall read out a letter that was sent to me, which has to disturb the Labour Party: \u201CMy name is Graham Turner. I am 65 years old. I have been married for over 39 years to Joyce Turner, who is also 65 years old. We have four married daughters and 13 grandchildren. We have been loyal Labour supporters all our voting life. This is the first time I have had to contact a member of Parliament, but this Civil Union Bill and Relationships Bill must not be allowed to go through. I would urge you to vote against this bill.\u201D The letter was addressed to me, and obviously I am voting against the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc82cea8-c84d-4ab7-8597-31916dbedc43\u0022\u003E\u201CEnough is enough\u201D, this person said, who has been a loyal, Labour supporter. He is not the only one; there are plenty out there who would vote against the bill in a referendum. He continued: \u201CIf this bill goes through, it is watering down all the beliefs of the standard of the marriage commitment which I signed 39 years ago. All the studies taken show that the family means mum and dad, and when a child is brought up in this happy environment they do much better.\u201D How can one argue against somebody who has been married for 39 years? How can Labour argue against that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022 data-id=\u0022ea6b79dae0454a7eab1e22f4306fc538\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ea6b79dae0454a7eab1e22f4306fc538\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON (Minister for ACC):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fce185df-f325-4a5a-a850-52fb6b2b918d\u0022 data-id=\u0022ae2d1dab0d4b4de68b54bce44c722b64\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fce185df-f325-4a5a-a850-52fb6b2b918d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ae2d1dab0d4b4de68b54bce44c722b64\u0022\u003EBILL GUDGEON (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I begin by sharing the views of Winston Churchill on the family. He said that the foundation and stability of our communities and the society we live in are dependent on the stability of our families. That is very important for each and every one of us to hear tonight.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fce185df-f325-4a5a-a850-52fb6b2b918d\u0022\u003EI will go back a few years. I was professionally trained in jungle warfare. There came the time when we had to go out on operations, in combat. Before we went on our first operation our platoon commander asked us: \u201CMen, are you ready?\u201D. [Interruption] We were not married then. Then he said: \u201CYou have a choice. You know what is going to happen when we go out.\u201D The total report back to our platoon commander was that we would take what was coming. I ask that member across the Chamber whether he would accept the public asking us, as members of Parliament, to take on a referendum. There will be no bullets flying his way, as there were when I accepted that challenge. Would he accept the challenge of taking upon his shoulders a referendum of the citizens of New Zealand? Yes or no?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222a849ed4-a817-45a7-8b86-dbc9dd210193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d98e65c4fba48348480501535bf1406\u0022\u003EJill Pettis\u003C/span\u003E: Desperado!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fce185df-f325-4a5a-a850-52fb6b2b918d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d6a9e2792d044ccfa4857511d31e4ec1\u0022\u003EBILL GUDGEON\u003C/span\u003E: We are not desperate. Those members are the ones who will be desperate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a705910-5320-43bf-aa82-027a761519f6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f2dadd37a1c4caaa36997902785d3c3\u0022\u003ERussell Fairbrother\u003C/span\u003E: We have constituents; you don\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fce185df-f325-4a5a-a850-52fb6b2b918d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8f496eb2b4d4cdcb535fe219eb79501\u0022\u003EBILL GUDGEON\u003C/span\u003E: That is fine. I am prepared to put my future on the line. Are they? When the Prostitution Reform Act was passed, I listened to some of the Labour Party members say that they had gone around Papakura with the police and had seen all their young female relatives becoming prostitutes. It is all in Hansard. Now those same people are turning against the very things they voted for in terms of the Prostitution Reform Act. The theme of the conference I attended in South Africa was AIDS. That is a health problem for over 14 million people. Where did it start?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022add8a8db76654d5ea013d643f4c7de80\u0022\u003ELianne Dalziel\u003C/span\u003E: More than that!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fce185df-f325-4a5a-a850-52fb6b2b918d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e74588960961437297a0622c82322bcb\u0022\u003EBILL GUDGEON\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, and it is starting to creep through the Pacific. There is a concern in the Islands. Will the minority Labour Government accept the challenge of a referendum?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fce185df-f325-4a5a-a850-52fb6b2b918d\u0022\u003EI also have a challenge for the United Future party. Why did it allow the bill to come into the House? Just like with the Prostitution Reform Act, without that party\u2019s support this bill would not have got to this stage. So now I challenge United Future members as to why they do not want to accept New Zealand First\u2019s challenge of a referendum. Then we would see whom the public supports. Labour members should answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229011c7072d7e4752bbe8f67c33c63b57\u0022\u003ECraig McNair\u003C/span\u003E: There is no answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fce185df-f325-4a5a-a850-52fb6b2b918d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228ce4479252c74f2d90d88e68872c5b80\u0022\u003EBILL GUDGEON\u003C/span\u003E: Let us have it. I ask Mr Carter why he does not accept the challenge. There are many people sitting in the gallery who may be for or against the bill. Let them hear the Labour members.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f349039e-f016-4db0-a8d0-c374551be708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac21e31f7f5243aeaaed9f30e34fa70a\u0022\u003ECraig McNair\u003C/span\u003E: They think they know best.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fce185df-f325-4a5a-a850-52fb6b2b918d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217b6995ca8b349d9806df412e81ec817\u0022\u003EBILL GUDGEON\u003C/span\u003E: Do Labour members know best? I thought this was a democratic country. Their fathers and my fathers fought for that freedom. I did, and now I challenge them. I did not do it for nothing. Accept the challenge! We should have a referendum. I disagree with my colleague Mr Donnelly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022 data-id=\u0022be799c44dbb54e7e82dd4760b83a9cb3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022be799c44dbb54e7e82dd4760b83a9cb3\u0022\u003EPETER BROWN (Deputy Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E We have had a very interesting debate over these last 2 days, and one of the concerns I have\u2014and I have listened to much of the debate\u2014is that anybody who takes the opposing view to the Government on this bill, dares to criticise the bill, or dares to question it is labelled homophobic.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229cae68d08b2e45b98fd1f23cca919bef\u0022\u003ELianne Dalziel\u003C/span\u003E: I have never called you that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247ff3cad47e548d5925178a0f14571fb\u0022\u003EPETER BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: The former Minister says she has not, but plenty of her colleagues have alluded to it. They have said that me and many of my colleagues are homophobic because we have some concerns about this bill. Let me put the record straight from my point of view. I went to sea as a young man well before the Homosexual Law Reform Bill came in. I sailed with many homosexual people and they got treated with the same respect, regard, and tolerance that anybody else on the ship received.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c25725d02bce4433b704dffd82fdf868\u0022\u003ELianne Dalziel\u003C/span\u003E: Did you deal to them with a broom like I\u2019ve been told about?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b8f83752dbc46a890fd4aec17147f9d\u0022\u003EPETER BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: The former Minister is obsessed with broomsticks going\u2014where? I have no experience in that. I will bow to the former Minister\u2019s experience and knowledge on that matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228378b1dcdd844343b79304f3042ee57f\u0022\u003ELianne Dalziel\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s not funny. It actually happened.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af058332d44743eca4d8832b63f2b52c\u0022\u003EPETER BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: I will not defend that sort of action one iota. I am well aware of homosexual people being quite open about their sexuality, and well before the Homosexual Law Reform Bill came about. It was no secret on a ship. We were a small community. So I do not speak from a position of being homophobic at all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003EBut I do have concerns about this bill. I have some major concerns. I have listened to the Government speakers over there, and only one\u2014only one whom I took note of\u2014mentioned the possible concern about children, and that was Georgina Beyer. Her views are actually the direct opposite from mine, but she actually referred to the long-time concern about children. I think everybody in this Chamber knows that if this bill goes through, we are one small step away\u2014because we are talking about gay marriage in all but name\u2014from whoever determines who adopts a child not being allowed to determine that it should go to what one might call natural parents over two homosexual men.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273f0be74386046ed8864303e51da41ed\u0022\u003EHon David Benson-Pope\u003C/span\u003E: A single person can now. Didn\u2019t you hear what I said yesterday?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cca13894fcca4af7b0476bff2977b4cf\u0022\u003EPETER BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: That can happen now, can it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288bb0393e7fa40b88beffb0689c0c915\u0022\u003EHon David Benson-Pope\u003C/span\u003E: Didn\u2019t you hear what I said yesterday? It\u2019s got nothing to do with it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f4eee70dc344003a119c52173288891\u0022\u003EPETER BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: The Minister says it has nothing to do with it, but he knows that it is one step away. I say to the Minister and all members in this Chamber that if New Zealanders have their say on this bill, and if they say that that is what they want, there will be no argument from me\u2014no argument at all. If the people sitting in the gallery now want it and vote for it, there will be no argument from me, at all. I will let them have their say, and freely. I heard the Minister on Morning Report saying that the principal reason, I think, from memory, for this issue not going to a public referendum is that it would cost so much money. It would cost $10 million or something like that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b90ad9ea1fc9494395648dbc5249cb8b\u0022\u003EHon Brian Donnelly\u003C/span\u003E: It could go in at election time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c22da4a904942dab6cb4c2afbdbc30f\u0022\u003EPETER BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, it could be held at election time. My honourable colleague\u2019s amendment provides for the referendum to be held at election time. But I am saying that the money is not important. This legislation, some people say, will change the fabric of our society, and I agree with them. I have been known to be wrong, but I tend to subscribe to the view that this bill will change the fabric of society. But we should let New Zealanders decide whether it will do that and whether they want it. I am a total supporter of my colleague\u2019s amendment calling for a referendum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e3dc3d88-a571-4ed7-a4b4-b66dedd6134b\u0022\u003EI also share his view\u2014which is contrary to that of my colleague Craig McNair\u2014that if this issue went to a referendum, the result would probably favour the bill\u2019s supporters, but I will not be arrogant enough to prejudge it. I think it would be close, but I think New Zealanders would probably vote for this legislation at the end of the day. I am saying here that we should let New Zealanders decide. This is a key issue for New Zealanders. It will impact on our society. It will be a matter of controversial debate for years to come. If it were the subject of a referendum, then, pass or fail, that would be the end of it\u2014at least, in the short term.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221a705910-5320-43bf-aa82-027a761519f6\u0022 data-id=\u00224ae9a3f79ee94adea9851392e844ef09\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a705910-5320-43bf-aa82-027a761519f6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224ae9a3f79ee94adea9851392e844ef09\u0022\u003ERUSSELL FAIRBROTHER (Labour\u2014Napier):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002226d9689d97024f309c3c297ce05e70ce\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 62\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 58\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8; M\u0101ori Party 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022 data-id=\u00222566e14627c744ec8988afec73f04be8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222566e14627c744ec8988afec73f04be8\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: Before I put the questions, we have a number of amendments. 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id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005292\u0022\u003EDunne  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005293\u0022\u003ENewman  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005294\u0022\u003EStewart  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005295\u0022\u003ETisch \u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022 data-id=\u0022ef8874c82bfc4796b6545d4455825271\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ef8874c82bfc4796b6545d4455825271\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: The next question is an amendment in the name of the Hon Brian Donnelly. The amendment is set out on Supplementary Order Paper 311 to omit and substitute subclauses (1) and (2) of clause 2. The amendment relates to a referendum to be held with the 2005 general election.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 311 in the name of the Hon Brian Donnelly to clause 2 be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222f620ceed52440fc876d65c9c37743ff\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 51\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 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id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227e482cab911f4a5295b3ef23cc6cdf52\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: The next question is an amendment in the name of Richard Worth. It is his first amendment to clause 2, to omit the commencement date and substitute words set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314. The amendment relates to a referendum to be held by postal vote.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to clause 2(1) be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002260124091bc7044258d2cf8f42810de63\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 48\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 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id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005659\u0022\u003ETeller:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005660\u0022\u003EDonnelly \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005661\u0022\u003EMcCully  (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005662\u0022\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005663\u0022\u003ETisch \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005664\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00222e7b2ba38b254bbe8659a3f2ad1e515e\u0022\u003EProcedure\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005666\u0022\u003EThe bill was reported without amendment.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022 data-id=\u0022e351cc1ec06444e1a9d4aea131d9a638\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200412073362871ed2264248bd626986ed7d2083005667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e351cc1ec06444e1a9d4aea131d9a638\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That the report be adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022a99b9e7bb35d475a85c556ea6af4914a\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the report be adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 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