"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002237139ac6fd404907b220b7935846cb35\u0022\u003ETuesday, 22 November 2005\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002240ba6d0296ff4882b6c4fcb3538f6893\u0022\u003ETuesday, 22 November 2005\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000002\u0022\u003EMadam Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002216a24ee2570d4a2bae58fc1c54649f37\u0022\u003EMotions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e94a2fe68375404f946ee85d565dc1b4\u0022\u003ERugby World Cup 2011\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00229b648e72f72d48ba8719b1265b8339c7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229b648e72f72d48ba8719b1265b8339c7\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister for Sport and Recreation):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the House congratulate Jock Hobbs and his team on winning the rights to host the 2011 Rugby World Cup. Dozens of people were involved in this bid, and the vast majority of them worked well below the horizon and well below the radar screen of many people in New Zealand and around the world. There were people from the New Zealand Rugby Union and from Sport and Recreation New Zealand, there was an advisory group that David Gascoigne chaired, and Brian Roche and his bid office team, who all made important contributions over the best part of a year. I want to acknowledge the fact that Murray McCully met with the technical advisory group for the cup and made it clear there was a bipartisan approach, or at least major party support for this bid. In fact, the bid was jointly funded by the Government and the Rugby Union and there was a shared underwrite arrangement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EThe events of Dublin have been well reported, and I think that, although it is important to acknowledge people, we do not need to go into too much depth. The work Colin Meads did, especially in the 24 hours beforehand\u2014drinking with a lot of people whom he played rugby with over many years\u2014got them into the right position. I see reports that he was uncomfortable speaking to the International Rugby Board because he was not used to speaking without a glass in his hand, but his contribution was valuable. Tana Umaga spoke without notes. I think all of us in Wainui\u014Dmata and the rest of New Zealand are very proud of his contribution and of the way he laid it on the line. Chris Moller made it clear that it was a real commercial bid and outlined that to the International Rugby Board. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EPeople will be aware that the Prime Minister made a real difference. She made a difference months beforehand when she hosted the majority of the International Rugby Board executive to dinner at Premier House. She had a group of All Black captains there as well, and she made the personal connections with the International Rugby Board executive that proved invaluable months on. I think that her contribution is probably best summarised by Jock Hobbs, who said: \u201CThe Prime Minister did a wonderful job in terms of stressing the unique partnership that exists between the Government and the NZRU, and their total support for this bid, I believe, gave us a competitive advantage.\u201D The reports that I have had go that far, and Chris Moller said: \u201CIf she had not been there, I suspect we would not have won.\u201D I do want to acknowledge and thank the Prime Minister for her contribution. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI think it is very important that we also underline the work that Jock Hobbs did. He was the person who did both the strategy and the tactics. It was he who asked the Prime Minister to go. It was he whom we checked with when the plane broke down and asked: \u201CIs this absolutely vital?\u201D, and he made some calls there. For the second time\u2014he did it a decade ago\u2014he has made an enormous contribution to sport in New Zealand. His talent for working with people, and for putting a group of people together, has made all the difference.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EThere is a big job, going forward. I remind the House that there are just over 300 weeks until kick-off. I am one person who is looking forward to getting on with the job.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225192f6d3-dca6-43c8-a55e-381e1d7c1225\u0022 data-id=\u0022641b2dc974c548bdbd93c5b16d1bc918\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225192f6d3-dca6-43c8-a55e-381e1d7c1225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022641b2dc974c548bdbd93c5b16d1bc918\u0022\u003EHon MURRAY McCULLY (National\u2014East Coast Bays):\u003C/span\u003E On behalf of the National Party I join the Minister and the Government in congratulating those responsible for the successful bid for the 2011 Rugby World Cup. This is a huge win, not just for New Zealand rugby but for the New Zealand economy and for our ability to profile ourselves on the world stage. I think the recent Lions tour gave us just a small taste of what lies ahead. It is especially pleasing to participate in this motion today, because many of us believe that had we not been successful in procuring the 2011 event, then we would never again have the capacity to get back in the race. That is my personal view. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225192f6d3-dca6-43c8-a55e-381e1d7c1225\u0022\u003EI pay a special tribute to Jock Hobbs, who, as the Minister has mentioned, has a very high personal standing in the world of rugby. I am absolutely convinced that his personal mana played a very considerable part in the success of the bid. I also want to congratulate all of the others involved in the New Zealand Rugby Union, on the bid committee, and in other agencies involved. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225192f6d3-dca6-43c8-a55e-381e1d7c1225\u0022\u003EAs the Minister has told the House, this was a bid in which the Government was a partner with the Rugby Union. I want to commend the Minister and the Government for making the substantial commitment that was required to that partnership. As the Minister knows, the Government did so with the unambiguous support of the National Party, and I want to tell the House that, as the Minister has informed the House already, when the International Rugby Board officials were in New Zealand prior to the election, wanting to meet separately with the Minister and myself, at his suggestion we conducted that interview together so that we were able to emphasise that in this country rugby is bigger than party politics. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225192f6d3-dca6-43c8-a55e-381e1d7c1225\u0022\u003EI want to recognise the role played by the Prime Minister, especially the trouble she went to in order to be part of the formal presentation in Dublin. Given the significance of this event to our country I think it was fitting that our Prime Minister should be there, and I want to thank her for making the substantial personal effort that was required to do so. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225192f6d3-dca6-43c8-a55e-381e1d7c1225\u0022\u003EFinally, the International Rugby Board made it clear when it was here that the appointment of a Minister to take responsibility for the Rugby World Cup would be an important consideration on its part. In view of what I have read in this morning\u2019s newspapers, I guess I should congratulate Mr Mallard\u2014who, if he is not already appointed, is to be appointed to that role. May I reassure the House that given the fact there will be at least one election between now and 2011 there is no shortage of suitable candidates on this side of the House, should any of us be called upon to serve.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u002292002e68fe6f4bc7a519a1344fb02469\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002292002e68fe6f4bc7a519a1344fb02469\u0022\u003ERON MARK (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E As the new spokesperson on sport and recreation for New Zealand First, may I take the opportunity on behalf of New Zealand First to congratulate, firstly, the New Zealand Rugby Union and its team on successfully winning the rights to host the 2011 Rugby World Cup. I also take the opportunity to congratulate the Prime Minister on the part she played in that bid, on behalf of New Zealand as a whole.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EIt is at times like these that New Zealand First truly laments the loss of the titles \u201CDame\u201D and \u201CSir\u201D. I can think of no people more deserving to receive the title of \u201CSir\u201D than Chris Moller and Jock Hobbs, once what will be an absolutely splendid event has taken place and the country has had the opportunity to enjoy having the Rugby World Cup here in our hands, and having had the opportunity to show off the beauty of New Zealand to the 60,000-odd visitors whom we anticipate will grace our shores. The economic windfall for this nation will be huge. The tourism exposure, again, will be massive. More important, the boost in terms of morale to our nation as a whole as we all take the opportunity to show off this country of ours, to show off our proud rugby heritage, will be immeasurable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E I also, if I can be forgiven, just add a note of caution and say that from now until 2011 we also need to focus seriously on our security commitments. It has not escaped me that, although we are a much-favoured little country in the world, there are people whom, no doubt, the Prime Minister\u2019s office and security people will need to be mindful of as we plan and work our way towards this wonderful event. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EIn closing, I say again that we just wish that in time we could refer to Jock Hobbs and Chris Moller by the titles that they deserve\u2014\u201CSir Jock\u201D and \u201CSir Chris\u201D. Our congratulations, once again, to the entire team. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b8383f38-c78c-4e5d-8324-677d91e95c49\u0022 data-id=\u0022de4ba43176b646ce8127a46fc68cfb86\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8383f38-c78c-4e5d-8324-677d91e95c49\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022de4ba43176b646ce8127a46fc68cfb86\u0022\u003EKEITH LOCKE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E The Green Party joins the previous speakers in congratulating both the New Zealand Rugby Union and the Government\u2014in particular, Helen Clark and Trevor Mallard\u2014on beating the odds and bringing the Rugby World Cup to New Zealand. We all have to do our bit between now and 2011. It is a great opportunity to showcase what is best in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8383f38-c78c-4e5d-8324-677d91e95c49\u0022\u003EAs an Auckland MP, I will have to work with the other MPs from Auckland to make sure that not only is Eden Park up to scratch but our public transport system is humming like an All Black backline so that we get people to the game on time and provide an example to the world. We have to show collectively the same passion, focus, and teamwork that the New Zealand Rugby Union has shown in getting the Rugby World Cup to New Zealand, help it to make this Rugby World Cup a great success, and get our infrastructure in place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022 data-id=\u00226f9681cd55ce4c13aa72c041776e819c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226f9681cd55ce4c13aa72c041776e819c\u0022\u003EDr PITA SHARPLES (Co-Leader\u2014M\u0101ori Party):\u003C/span\u003E On behalf of the M\u0101ori Party I reiterate what we have already published. We give our congratulations to Jock Hobbs and his team on securing the Rugby World Cup to be played in our country. I particularly commend the Prime Minister for her effort, because to get out there as the country\u2019s leader and bid for a particular sport shows that, on this occasion, she is the salt of the earth. I think she has done a magnificent job. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EHosting the Rugby World Cup here will create the opportunity for us to turn the discussion about political correctness into cultural correctness. Hosting the Rugby World Cup will provide us with an opportunity to authentically welcome all the overseas teams to New Zealand with, at least, a p\u014Dwhiri in the areas where they will be staying or billeted. That is the least of what we would expect. It would show that New Zealand is prepared to be, and enjoys being, as one with the tangata whenua in accepting aspects of M\u0101ori culture, in the same way that we embrace the haka when the team goes on to the field before playing. So for a number of reasons, not the least of which being that I am a rugby fanatic, I look forward to the Rugby World Cup being played here, and thank all those involved. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f555a23a-d230-4f03-80ba-a44e6ec8bd29\u0022 data-id=\u0022812f23918e614813ae43cfccd346e045\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f555a23a-d230-4f03-80ba-a44e6ec8bd29\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022812f23918e614813ae43cfccd346e045\u0022\u003EHon PETER DUNNE (Leader\u2014United Future):\u003C/span\u003E United Future joins with the other members who have spoken to congratulate Jock Hobbs, Chris Moller, the New Zealand Rugby Union team, and the Prime Minister on their efforts in ensuring that the pleasant news we woke up to on Friday morning was that the Rugby World Cup was coming here. If one had listened to all of the news reports in the preceding days, and particularly to the analysis on the preceding evening, one would not be mistaken in believing that we had absolutely no chance of achieving this particular victory. It was therefore very pleasant news to wake up to on Friday morning. Our heartiest congratulations go to every member of the team who was involved in securing this coup. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f555a23a-d230-4f03-80ba-a44e6ec8bd29\u0022\u003EThree broad challenges lie ahead of the country now, though, between this point and 2011. The first is the obvious one\u2014to make sure that we are capable of delivering on the commitments that have been made, and that we can achieve a popular, effective, efficient, and widely patronised Rugby World Cup. The second challenge has already begun, and that is the great sense of inter-provincial rivalry that at the moment is reflected in the debate over where the grand final should be held. I put in a great plug for Westpac Stadium. It is a superb ground and it will have an elite crowd there. The third challenge, after all, will be to make sure that having secured the hosting of the cup for New Zealand, we win it in 2011.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022 data-id=\u0022bd06c2921c554573ae74cbc5667b177c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bd06c2921c554573ae74cbc5667b177c\u0022\u003ERODNEY HIDE (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E On behalf of the ACT party, I rise to congratulate Jock Hobbs and his team, and to make special note of the Prime Minister, Helen Clark, for her efforts on behalf of every New Zealander in winning the rights to host the Rugby World Cup. It is another example of a team continuing against negative comment and succeeding against the odds\u2014and it is fantastic. It will be huge for New Zealand. There will be something like 48 games involving 20 countries across a dozen cities in New Zealand, all played in the space of 6 to 7 weeks. I think we should also\u2014and not without some irony\u2014pay tribute to John Minto and Trevor Richards for their efforts as protesters, because, once South Africa was knocked out, the South African Minister of Sport and Recreation, Mr Stofile, said that South Africa voted for New Zealand because of the efforts of the New Zealanders who protested in support of their efforts in South Africa, and I do not think that irony should be lost in New Zealand, either. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003EIt is going to be a huge effort and I am sorry to disappoint Mr Dunne, but of course the final will be held in Auckland, the sports, cultural, and commerce capital of New Zealand. It will require a huge effort on behalf of everyone\u2014particularly the Government and particularly this Parliament\u2014to make sure that New Zealand\u2019s infrastructure and Auckland\u2019s infrastructure are up to scratch so that we can indeed have a world cup that we can all be proud of.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022860935a4764a4f398ee04bb766d0eeb6\u0022\u003EPoints of Order\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222d35071b23034bfcb938027e74de9d5e\u0022\u003EQuestion for Written Answer\u2014Immigration\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022 data-id=\u0022cd503108b7e14f558987ebf8b868d0f1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cd503108b7e14f558987ebf8b868d0f1\u0022\u003EDr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH (National\u2014Rodney):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Madam Speaker. I seek your ruling as to whether it is acceptable under the Standing Orders for the Minister of Immigration, the Hon David Cunliffe, to refuse to answer a series of written questions relating to the representations by the Hon Taito Phillip Field and other Labour members on immigration matters, an issue in which there is a considerable level of public interest, with the excuse given that: \u201CI do not consider this a good use of my department\u2019s time and resources.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E The Minister acknowledged that the information was held by his department but he did not consider it was worth providing it to this Parliament. I submit that that is tantamount to treating this Parliament with contempt, and seek your clarification of Parliament\u2019s requirements in respect of ministerial accountability. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228486972f29a440058d6c26dd1502a45a\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member. I will look at it and get back to him once I have had an opportunity to do so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00228797e07ff4c24edd806ce6eab0f80e2b\u0022\u003EQuestions for Oral Answer\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b5c41c9ca3594aca82a8749241296b24\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f2433b2aa73f4494991c32b139d25a6a\u0022\u003EForeign Affairs, Minister\u2014Confidence\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d48244fc-ceef-4ef5-9cee-851e4d439468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4a3e0075fe64b57b54c64c3006bbb61\u0022\u003E1. Dr DON BRASH (Leader of the Opposition)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does she have confidence in the Minister of Foreign Affairs; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022 data-id=\u0022c532cfe1b26f4270b1137d2019f8e5aa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c532cfe1b26f4270b1137d2019f8e5aa\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes; because he is a hard-working and conscientious Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d48244fc-ceef-4ef5-9cee-851e4d439468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228204ce60b78642e481245faf1cce6d96\u0022\u003EDr Don Brash\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with the decision of the Minister of Foreign Affairs to announce that he would raise our $2 billion trade deficit with China with the Chinese Foreign Minister, or does she agree with the Minister of Trade\u2019s criticism of Mr Peters that \u201CYou don\u2019t actually even up the surplus or deficit by browbeating the partner.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236e0a2dbf3b841008d95425324c764fc\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: I think the way we would like to tackle that particular deficit is by getting a good free-trade agreement with China.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8383f38-c78c-4e5d-8324-677d91e95c49\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228bfeca08f6d9453ea9df4c47268cf627\u0022\u003EKeith Locke\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Prime Minister discussed with the Minister of Foreign Affairs making the SAS contingent that returned to New Zealand this morning the last special forces unit to fight in Afghanistan with the US-led coalition force, in the light of the international criticism of the mistreatment of prisoners by that force, and the way that it conducts its operations with little regard for civilians?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022580735a8f39f4651afa8961751e551ab\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: The answer to the first part of the question is \u201CNo\u201D. In respect of the second part of the question, I want to say that the SAS has done a very, very good job in Afghanistan. The Minister of Defence welcomed the third contingent back this morning. We believe that the contingent acquitted itself well, and I certainly do not rule out future deployments for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d48244fc-ceef-4ef5-9cee-851e4d439468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9a1e2b4574d45bc84c4a3e8f41771b7\u0022\u003EDr Don Brash\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with the comment of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at APEC that more could have been done by the Government to monitor the private language schools that have gone bankrupt, or does she agree with the Minister of Trade that Mr Peters\u2019 view was incorrect, and that \u201CWe have actually made provision for the students at that school in a way that most other countries of the world would not have bothered.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022586489527ee64ebc89e11105b58727bc\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: A good part of earlier periods of this Government were spent precisely dealing with bad practice in international education, which had given our country a bad name. We dealt with it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d48244fc-ceef-4ef5-9cee-851e4d439468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002206737f14fc54485993120ef8cd102a5d\u0022\u003EDr Don Brash\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with the Minister of Foreign Affairs that the reporting of his trip to APEC by the New Zealand Herald was \u201Ctreasonous\u201D; if not, does she believe that it is appropriate for senior members of the Government, such as the Minister of Foreign Affairs, to be making such wildly provocative\u2014indeed, intimidating\u2014comments about the New Zealand media?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002233123220f21049e5aa512e044ed82c22\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: I would not have used that term myself. In my experience in over 24 years in this place protracted rows with the news media are not particularly productive, and my advice to both the New Zealand Herald and the Minister is to get over it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d48244fc-ceef-4ef5-9cee-851e4d439468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022032b712baa2f4747b5584050602d9d9e\u0022\u003EDr Don Brash\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with the statement made by Mr Goff that having Mr Peters in the Cabinet would be like having one\u2019s mother-in-law living in one\u2019s house, in that \u201CIt\u2019s much easier sometimes when she\u2019s next door, and you\u2019ve each got your own space.\u201D; and whether or not she agrees with it, what does she think Mr Goff\u2019s statement says about the relationship between him and Mr Peters?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ff55f5e-9237-45e2-8e15-24228a10320e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230a5f28deab945e18e7d3c9c371f8d19\u0022\u003ERt Hon HELEN CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: What is says is that Labour is absolutely determined to give smaller parties that work with it room to breathe\u2014unlike the National - New Zealand First coalition, which collapsed because no room was left for that party to keep its identity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002281675b18ec124e7d90299b40d780e0b6\u0022\u003ERugby World Cup 2011\u2014Benefits to New Zealand\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227920922c1cee43f6b701626adb3a4ef8\u0022\u003EDARREN HUGHES (Labour\u2014Otaki)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Sport and Recreation: What will be the benefits to New Zealand of hosting the Rugby World Cup 2011?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022a8283cba09bc49c599d046801db6749b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a8283cba09bc49c599d046801db6749b\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister for Sport and Recreation):\u003C/span\u003E Hosting the Rugby World Cup will be positive, not only for New Zealand rugby but also because the tournament will deliver significant economic benefits and tourism spin-offs. It is estimated that it will attract around 60,000 extra visitors to New Zealand, will generate an extra $400 million for the economy, and result in an extra tax take exceeding $90 million.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e4c497aeeb242499f17deae5f6c7443\u0022\u003EDarren Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: What additional exposure does he expect New Zealand to gain from hosting the Rugby World Cup?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c2e9984ca9144609b1af8128f45ee32\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: In addition to the extra visitors we expect to visit New Zealand, television-viewing numbers for the last world cup were 3.4 billion. That will be a fantastic opportunity to showcase New Zealand. However, I regret to inform the member that it will almost certainly not focus on the Courtesy Ford Levin Domain, notwithstanding that member\u2019s representations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002263b85960f0b644d6b78f522a72fba598\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Qualifications Authority\u2014Vulnerability\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022281749703d1a46e2a461fbe1c5f64c69\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (National\u2014Clutha-Southland)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: Does he agree with the statement regarding the New Zealand Qualifications Authority that, \u201C\u2026 the organisation is dealing with low morale, high attrition rates and an over-reliance on contract staff. All these factors place the organisation in a vulnerable position;\u201D; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022 data-id=\u00228f0d002b77354531be942f293470d2a3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228f0d002b77354531be942f293470d2a3\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Matters relating to morale, attrition, and reliance on contract staff are raised in the briefing to the incoming Minister, and they refer to very well-canvassed issues. The New Zealand Qualifications Authority is, of course, dealing with those issues, and as Graham Young, President of the Secondary Principals Association, notes: \u201CIt is not news; it\u2019s old. We already knew about it.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223eee7fe7f06b476db4d2bf1ebf74ddb8\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister also seen the statement by the New Zealand Qualifications Authority that public confidence in the National Certificate of Educational Achievement (NCEA) is low, and why is it that the New Zealand Qualifications Authority is aware of that when he is not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b0ed639039d4567a03276c606b71429\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY\u003C/span\u003E: I was not the Minister of Education during this year. However, unlike the member who was the spokesperson on education, I was fully aware of that, as was the whole country, and as was the State Services Commission, which did a review of the issue, published it, and had it discussed ad nauseam in the media. He seems to be the only one who is not aware.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b0a71df25461440e818240a3820f0f13\u0022\u003EMoana Mackey\u003C/span\u003E: What specific actions has the New Zealand Qualifications Authority taken to address organisational issues?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224981ab8223a042ea88a23cf090eaf748\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY\u003C/span\u003E: The New Zealand Qualifications Authority is working to put in place recommendations from a State Services Commission report published earlier this year, which include the recruitment of 30 new permanent staff, new induction procedures, training for managers, staff, and teams, the creation of new positions that provide career paths, and better use of exit interview feedback to assist mangers in improving performance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a59d3ae-788b-4b19-b7dd-7d0e29a626fc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3b2527e71f84bcfa24bde19c34c7ec3\u0022\u003EHon Brian Donnelly\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister explain to the House which party, when in Government, appointed a previous chief executive officer by the name of Douglas Blackmur, who departed the New Zealand Qualifications Authority under the cloud of a considerable number of expensive and inexplicable overseas junkets and left the organisation so directionless it still has not recovered?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002223d51bba81114804a428ca4f8082a8c3\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY\u003C/span\u003E: If my memory serves me well, that party goes by the name of National.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022749d97b8-a772-4227-83da-b5e264c37bc0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b24171473cba4c7f803cd87f657d8395\u0022\u003EAllan Peachey\u003C/span\u003E: In the light of the Minister\u2019s failure to give his personal assurance as Minister of Education to the students, parents, and teachers of New Zealand that he is confident that this year\u2019s NCEA will be trouble-free, will he give an undertaking that he, unlike his predecessor, will accept ministerial responsibility and resign if the NCEA assessments are, in fact, not trouble-free; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002215bb69ec5ff7432e9f4e067387bb7bf7\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY\u003C/span\u003E: As I have said repeatedly, I am confident that all that could be done has been done, and that so far we are enjoying a good exam season. Of course, as Minister, I take responsibility from my portfolio.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022acbacb9623ee476195112c748ed3e514\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm that he made this statement on Radio New Zealand on Friday, 18 November: \u201CYes, and in fact I asked your journalists not to put this news item on the air at the present time.\u201D, and can he explain why he made that statement?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b33e0b34f8a43a6b8f30427d72feb10\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY\u003C/span\u003E: It was conveyed to the journalist that issues noted in the briefing to the incoming Minister were well known and well canvassed on a range of media outlets and, in fact, come from the State Services Commission report published in the middle of the year. The New Zealand Qualifications Authority must front up on issues of public interest, but it must not be used as a political football, particularly when 156,000 young people are trying to sit their exams.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022457231f95b8f4c34a5ec4c776b7d87c1\u0022\u003EMoana Mackey\u003C/span\u003E: What reports has he heard on levels of confidence in the NCEA and scholarship examinations being administered by the New Zealand Qualifications Authority?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220aebb04275ed48a0b231daff79c29798\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY\u003C/span\u003E: I have heard many such reports\u2014for example, Denis Pyatt from Papanui High School states: \u201CThere aren\u2019t too many students nor teachers who will deny NCEA is considerably better than the system it replaced.\u201D The Post Primary Teachers Association states in its latest report to the Government: \u201CThe changes in personnel and ways of working with the sector are a big improvement.\u201D Graham Young, President of the Secondary Principals Association, commenting on the changes that have been put in place, stated: \u201CI\u2019ve certainly got some pretty good confidence about the season.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002280137038db6c40e48a27ac817c53aa87\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: When the Minister asked journalists\u2014as he has said himself\u2014not to put this news item on the air at the present time, how could the journalists have known whether that was not a direction he was issuing as the Minister of Broadcasting in charge of Radio New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229be0b18cc2c6410b821f000bbf00822d\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY\u003C/span\u003E: They ran the item; I think they would know what they were doing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad8bbd1a2cc8450ab30d787dd84a19c5\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister understand that the Broadcasting Act prevents him specifically from issuing any direction to any journalist in Radio New Zealand about what news item it might run, regardless of whether it might run it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fde95d4356a749df82975f4e39544d03\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c1d8ef644f2446b92eb19721fef69a3\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I just remind the member that the questions are to be addressed to the Minister of Education, not to the Minister of Broadcasting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022adf56f64ac424158a47b5de28c92c994\u0022\u003EGerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Speaker. That raises a very interesting point about the arrangements the Government has for various accountabilities. Are you now telling us that a Minister can be accountable only for his or her portfolio at the time he or she is under question? It is quite clear that the Minister carries responsibility for all the Government\u2014or is this Minister like Winston Peters, as well?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d3744d5937349c080152da34e18a638\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. When the question is set down to the Minister of Education, then the Minister is responsible for matters relating to education. If there is a concern about a matter relating to broadcasting, then the matter is set down as a question to the Minister of Broadcasting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e43f96b1c95d4dcba90b11a42fef5562\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Speaker. The point of my questions is to establish whether the Minister thought about this from the journalist\u2019s point of view, because when he was instructing the journalist not to put the news item on Radio New Zealand, the journalist would not have known whether the Minister was acting in his capacity as Minister of Broadcasting or as Minister of Education. Of course, if the Minister was acting in his capacity as Minister of Broadcasting he broke the law, because the law quite specifically prevents him doing what he did. If he was acting in his capacity as Minister of Education, then, of course, it was very unwise, because he happens to be the Minister of Broadcasting as well, and he may well have been hoping that a journalist would see it that way. That is the point of the question, which is why the question has to be in order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d21f09b8dea14ec2acfe77423f84077c\u0022\u003EHon Dr Michael Cullen\u003C/span\u003E: I think the point that is being made here is an important one. Clearly, the question can be asked of the Minister only as Minister of Education, because that is what the principal question is about. But if I could help the member somewhat, it is perfectly possible to phrase the question along the following lines: \u201CWas he aware, when he made that suggestion to the journalist, that the Minister of Broadcasting is prevented from doing certain things; if so did he see any conflict of interest in his roles at that stage?\u201D. Perhaps the Minister could now answer the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022084513fa510840e0ad63df1ea98706e2\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the members for their comments. The member\u2019s first question was perfectly in order, because it was addressed to the Minister of Education. The second question was not, because it addressed him as the Minister of Broadcasting. But I suggest that the member asks the question in the terms that have been suggested by himself, actually, when he was giving his explanation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea56514a05c84014814c0a02c29ac458\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: When the Minister issued his direction to a Radio New Zealand journalist not to put the news item on the air at the present time\u2014as he has stated himself\u2014did it occur to him that the journalist may have believed the Minister was acting in his capacity as Minister of Broadcasting and, therefore, acting illegally?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022980a6d3cf0d545c2a27a8a30156af60e\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY\u003C/span\u003E: To go back to the original question, I did not direct or instruct. But I will, on all occasions, advocate for my portfolio, as all Ministers do. As I said on this occasion, the New Zealand Qualifications Authority will always front up to all public issues, as it should do. But I will not sit by and not say something about an area that I think is being used as a political football\u2014for example, by the member\u2014when 156,000 young people are trying to sit their exams.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002272e90a89e2724979bc4a145f7dc18b09\u0022\u003EAged Care\u2014Funding\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201a4903ebfbf49b59ff5abbc7574dd24\u0022\u003EBARBARA STEWART (NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: Has all of the additional $71 million of funding made available in Budget 2005 to district health boards to pay for contracted providers of residential aged-care services been ring-fenced to be used for this purpose only; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022 data-id=\u0022b308d679a0b44b5d93e22a7bb8119c41\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b308d679a0b44b5d93e22a7bb8119c41\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E No, it has not, because the $71 million was allocated to do more than meet the price increases of the providers that the member refers to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d67b4d4778614171af8c142e755fc5d8\u0022\u003EBarbara Stewart\u003C/span\u003E: Could the Minister have ring-fenced or specified in the Crown funding agreements where the extra money from Budget 2005 that was intended for aged care could or could not be spent; if so, why did he not do that, in order to ensure that the money intended for residential aged-care was actually used by the district health boards for that purpose?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b80021b9aee3440d9074633f2fcb1198\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: At Budget time it was made clear that the money was to be broken into two lots. From memory, $38.5 million was to go to that purpose. But funding for the health of older people in the residential sector is broader than the prices for private providers; it includes, for example, volume increases as well as price increases, and it includes, for example, assessment, treatment, and rehabilitation. On top of the $71 million, but not mentioned by the member, was further funding from this Government for the Holidays Act catch-up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022932ce5bceaad4ef9a36096efb06287d8\u0022\u003EDr Jonathan Coleman\u003C/span\u003E: Is it not true, though, that the Minister did promise $71 million of new money for rest homes before the election, but now, after the election, the rest home sector is actually receiving a considerably reduced amount; if that is true, how honest is that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220bb80fb0e9244120afdfb29b1c47e86e\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: It is far from true, because the $71 million did not come out immediately before the election; it came out in the May Budget. That is not all. This Government decided to put some Holidays Act money into that sector, as well. That is not all. My immediate predecessor, the Associate Minister of Health Ruth Dyson, put a further $16 million into that sector. That is not all. Money went into home-based support services, as well. In fact, if members want to add all of it up, they will find that the total comes to more than $100 million over the last 12 months. A party that has tax cuts on its mind cannot spend that sort of money on the health of older New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298d05ceaec224478a862534dba89dff9\u0022\u003ESue Moroney\u003C/span\u003E: What undertakings has the Government made to address the pressures in residential aged-care?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243fc83fb76f244aaa4c556e675c53f46\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: Quite apart from the more than $100 million that has been announced in the last 12 months from this Government, this Government has an agreement with the party whence came the principal question, New Zealand First. That agreement says we will address the issue of elder care further, as a matter of priority, in the 2006 Budget. That means that because this Government does not have tax cuts on its mind, it can deal to the pressures that exist in the health system, including, in this case, the health of our older New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220d9640b0-d861-43d8-b321-e7ba56dbe362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bae4cb454028410d9b81cee3cdc27574\u0022\u003EJudy Turner\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister had any indication from contracted providers as to whether they intend to use any part of the additional money to address the issue of caregiver wages; if not, does he have any plans to rectify the current wages and conditions of both residential and home-based caregivers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226088ea6e1d4e495b84126582a12493f3\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: That is an excellent question. I think that in the residential aged-care sector we will see the additional money flow through to workers all right, for the simple reason that if these wages are not increased, there will not be enough people working in the industry. In the home-based support sector we have another problem, which is that we do not have, in my view, a fair travel policy for those folk who move from one home to another. I have made it a condition of any district health board signing any contract with any home-based support service industry that it has a fair travel policy. The details as to what is meant by \u201Cfair travel policy\u201D are only weeks from being resolved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002283c508fe57f2442ba448c06055f28711\u0022\u003EDr Jonathan Coleman\u003C/span\u003E: When the Minister made his pre-election promise of $71 million of new money for rest home care, why did he keep secret that $32 million of that money was actually long-overdue back pay that the sector was owed as of right?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4f044f341b5455baa14443168edde77\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: Quite apart from the fact that the member obviously did not listen to my answer to his first question\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002279c6a59e5d4e48d6b55b505110f65e0c\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: One of the reasons why the answer may not have been heard before is the level of noise in the Chamber. I would ask members\u2014who of course may interject on answers\u2014to please keep the noise at a more orderly level. Thank you. Would the Minister now please respond.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f77911e630c6439fba7d8c0eb7d63650\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: I refer the member to my press statement on Budget night 2005 and I will quote him a sentence: \u201CIt\u2019\u2019\u2014the $71 million\u2014\u201Ccomprises $38.4 million to cover the cost of growing demand and inflation, as well as an additional $32.5 million.\u201D We made no mistake that the $32.5 million would be used, in part or in whole, to catch up the district health board sector.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d9ceec72a4243dfb76c5c98f8eafbf5\u0022\u003EBarbara Stewart\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister agree that the money intended to boost residential aged-care funding needs to be ring-fenced by some mechanism to ensure that the promises made in this year\u2019s Budget in respect of aged care are kept; if not, will he be making further funding available to make sure the aged-care sector receives the money it was promised in May?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5c492c430c24247b1ba9b3bf0c1c551\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: I say again to the member that I did not promise $71 million of price increases for the residential aged-care sector; the $71 million is to fund that and more besides. So the answer to the members two questions are no, and quite probably.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002214aad68990694f8195eb83661541074a\u0022\u003EPrisons\u2014Overcrowding\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022587832c13df545c4b57f7b24ae22606c\u0022\u003ESIMON POWER (National\u2014Rangitikei)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Corrections: Is he satisfied that the Government is doing all it can to alleviate the reported current prison overcrowding crisis; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022 data-id=\u00228f40bdbc60ef48c9b63ae03cf1cf80ff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228f40bdbc60ef48c9b63ae03cf1cf80ff\u0022\u003EHon DAMIEN O\u0027CONNOR (Minister of Corrections):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, the Government has been closely monitoring the situation. Officials are working on a range of measures to manage prisoner numbers in the short and the longer term.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022065bfc1abf1e4482bb5cc05dc9a51875\u0022\u003ESimon Power\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister agree with his officials in the briefing to the incoming Minister that \u201Cthere are no credible options that would definitely decrease the forecasts for the prison population post-2008\u201D; if so, how does he expect to house the increasing number of prisoners in light of his own view that no more new prisons are being considered?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278aaa9bc14fe47bd9e28b58fc71b8578\u0022\u003EHon DAMIEN O\u0027CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: The Government currently has a building programme. It has committed over $800 million to the provision of 2,000 new prison beds. We accept there is pressure on the prison system but we are doing everything we can to manage the situation correctly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd997773d2fd4e318bcaabb346baf3cc\u0022\u003ESimon Power\u003C/span\u003E: With prisoners being housed in vans, showered at rugby clubs, and kept in police and court cells, how can the Minister convince the members of the New Zealand public that they are safer since he became the Minister of Corrections?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed647639a1824249b3d6e6d1654acd18\u0022\u003EHon DAMIEN O\u0027CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: They are just as safe now as they were under my predecessor. With regard to the use of vans, the chief executive has said that that was a temporary measure at one prison, and he has instructed that it will not occur again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226ab6746fcff44ef7aa8556d93e983817\u0022\u003EDr Pita Sharples\u003C/span\u003E: He aha te mahere rautaki kua whiriwhiria, kua whakaaetia e ng\u0101 tari katoa o te K\u0101wanatanga nei, kia whakawh\u0101iti haere te nama tino teitei rawa o ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata kei r\u014D whare herehere i te mea, i te marama o Paenga-wh\u0101wh\u0101 i te tau 1997, e 4,988 ng\u0101 mauhere \u0113ngari, ka tae ki t\u0113r\u0101 R\u0101hina 14 o t\u0113nei marama tonu, kua piki ake te nama mauhere ki te 7,545, he pikitanga t\u0113nei o te 51 pai h\u0113neti, ahakoa k\u0101re noa kia pau te iwa tau?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[An interpretation in English was given to the House.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[What is the all-of-Government strategy to reduce the incarceration rate within our prisons, given that in the month of April 1997, there were 4,988 people in jail, but by Monday, 14 November last week, this number had climbed to 7,545, an increase of 51 percent in less than 9 years?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002282ce1536b5c343fc9b9fbb234ff17701\u0022\u003EHon DAMIEN O\u0027CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: This Government accepts the fact that numbers have increased. The Government has cracked down on serious crime, and it is locking offenders up for longer. We accept, however, that a whole-of-Government approach is needed to try to reduce the number of people going into prisons, and to assist those who come out of prisons to stay out. This Government is engaged in just such that approach.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e68f900a329b4f7296134e0d24b6fb9b\u0022\u003ESimon Power\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister believe that responsible Government involves a Minister keeping his fingers crossed in the hope that, despite officials\u2019 advice, prisoner numbers might reduce by 2008; if not, why is he doing that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264b40cafeba64d05a85b07af5c3b4566\u0022\u003EHon DAMIEN O\u0027CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: I think we accept that prisoner numbers will increase. That is why we have embarked upon an extensive capital development programme to put more than 2,000 prison beds in place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285712e72-b25f-4850-b4d9-90035064fde3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220efdd8bd941546688348a05248d1cb88\u0022\u003ENandor Tanczos\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister agree with the suggestion in the briefing from the Department of Corrections for the incoming Minister that pressure on resources has made rehabilitation ineffective, that assessment and management of prisoners with mental illness are inadequate, and that such are the inevitable results of a Government policy focused on its locking people up rather than on justice or the reduction of crime?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244d3c3abc1be403f8ce869434fcb4cdc\u0022\u003EHon DAMIEN O\u0027CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: The Government has an obligation to protect the public from serious offenders. They will remain locked up. We, however, accept the view that we must try harder in rehabilitation to prevent those going from prison from reoffending and going back in. We are focused on that area and we will continue to work hard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229802320d9058425cbf8ce5d6e9540455\u0022\u003EDr Pita Sharples\u003C/span\u003E: I rongo au ki t\u014D whakautu mai ki ahau n\u0101 reira ka tipu te p\u0101tai, \u0101hea t\u012Bmata ai te mahitahi o ng\u0101 tari katoa o te k\u0101wanatanga ki te whakaiti haere i te nama o ng\u0101 tangata kei r\u014D whare herehere? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[An interpretation in English was given to the House.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[I heard the Minister\u2019s response, and it gives rise to the question: when will all Government departments work together to reduce the number of people in prisons?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c767b59e2cd545b5afe0c8c485070ce2\u0022\u003EHon DAMIEN O\u0027CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: They are engaged in that exercise as we speak.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253977ffcae7a46f386be626a4144249e\u0022\u003ESimon Power\u003C/span\u003E: Why does the Minister not just admit that prison numbers and the Department of Corrections are in a shambles, swallow his own ideological burp, and allow the private sector a role\u2014something his Government\u2019s Corrections Act eliminated last year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c68f3ced4be0452f873945676e199d9a\u0022\u003EHon DAMIEN O\u0027CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: This Government has for a long time accepted that it is the Government\u2019s role to look after prisons in this country. If I can use the issue of prisoner assaults as a measure of the situation in prisons today, I can say that when that party was in Government in 1998-99 the number of assaults per hundred inmates was, in fact, 1.74. Today, or in the 2004-05 year, the number of assaults was 0.39 per hundred inmates\u2014down by one-quarter is the number of assaults in prison. We believe we are managing the situation very well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268d4d85b1e7744408ef4baafdc01a383\u0022\u003ERon Mark\u003C/span\u003E: Is it not a fact that one of the factors exacerbating the problems of managing the large number of inmates and the unacceptable officer-to-inmate ratios is still, to this day, the wage cuts implemented by the National Government in December 1999, which slashed wages by between $600 to $7,000 and entry-level officers\u2019 wages by $12,000; and when will this House see prison officers being paid a decent wage so that good ones stay and more sign up and join the service?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223cf258cb8dc4402e9efb8c6b64c2da59\u0022\u003EHon DAMIEN O\u0027CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: The member raises a very good point. In 1999 the conditions for prison officers were severely cut. Since then there have been two wage rounds. The department will begin negotiations with the unions early next year for another wage round. I am sure that all those issues will be debated at that time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220974a2b310ea4f5480fef08c32690171\u0022\u003EHospitals\u2014Upgrading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227df975cd-93d2-4f55-9bc5-d2790e28e043\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dbb499eeb6b24d90bf45f40c54c308e4\u0022\u003EMARYAN STREET (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: What progress has been made in upgrading New Zealand hospitals?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022 data-id=\u0022b94ddc1d8e7d46848cf6f7486419295f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b94ddc1d8e7d46848cf6f7486419295f\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E This Government is committed to rebuilding the hospital infrastructure of New Zealand from Kait\u0101iato Invercargill. The Government has, under the watch of my predecessor, the Hon Annette King, shown that commitment by the largest investment in public hospital infrastructure for a generation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227df975cd-93d2-4f55-9bc5-d2790e28e043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9ee866751be442cab882550dec4518b\u0022\u003EMaryan Street\u003C/span\u003E: How does the Government\u2019s hospital upgrades programme, then, compare with the efforts of previous administrations?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022174e30c2310c4e7c8b4bf3f434222afd\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: The Labour-led Government\u2019s historic investment in upgrading hospitals and opening new facilities stands in stark contrast to the previous National Government\u2019s programme of closures and under-investment in New Zealand\u2019s hospitals. Between 1991 and 1999 the National Government closed 38 public hospitals. We are building new ones, and the difference between that party and this is that those members have tax cuts on their minds.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2dfe169-d946-4f87-8d43-0bcdb7d8bebc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6a1c51d6f8b4f189b206e60c398ed33\u0022\u003ETariana Turia\u003C/span\u003E: How can the Minister justify a reduction in the number of beds following the upgrade of Wellington Hospital, and what contribution will this reduction make towards reducing waiting lists?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022848f4c05628040849aaf9fd85102f193\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: The number of beds in New Zealand has been reducing for about a century. The new hospital, Wellington base hospital, being built by this Labour Government will be a modern hospital, a good hospital, and suitable for the needs of the Wellington Capital and Coast region in the years 2005 and beyond.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002205adad4b1803418e87f7c9f5049730a5\u0022\u003EForeign Policies\u2014Confidence\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225192f6d3-dca6-43c8-a55e-381e1d7c1225\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d42aabd08a404d89bc98963e3cfadc7e\u0022\u003EHon MURRAY McCULLY (National\u2014East Coast Bays)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Foreign Affairs: Does he have confidence in all the foreign policies of the Government; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022 data-id=\u0022be24fb3765754a7082aacf38507ddb47\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022be24fb3765754a7082aacf38507ddb47\u0022\u003EHon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Acting Minister of Foreign Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, because, particularly in respect of foreign affairs, this is a hard-working and conscientious Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225192f6d3-dca6-43c8-a55e-381e1d7c1225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229148086dce194d8086705432f3708968\u0022\u003EHon Murray McCully\u003C/span\u003E: Did the Minister see the advice tendered publicly by the previous Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mr Goff, who appeared to be concerned by the Minister\u2019s intention to raise the trade deficit issue with China, and cautioned him not to browbeat the Chinese Minister; and can he tell the House whether he followed his colleague\u2019s advice?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221395d51285b040d29979ec184dc2f273\u0022\u003EHon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN\u003C/span\u003E: As I said in the House last week, when the Chinese Foreign Minister raised the issue of trade Mr Peters explained that that was the responsibility of Mr Goff.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225192f6d3-dca6-43c8-a55e-381e1d7c1225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227521ea0c6df8492189b673bc20124437\u0022\u003EHon Murray McCully\u003C/span\u003E: Did the Minister see the statement made by the previous Minister, Mr Goff, referring to the Minister as Cabinet\u2019s mother-in-law; if so, what did he read into those comments about the state of their working relationship at APEC?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a1de03bcd664dd08c23fb30868f725a\u0022\u003EHon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN\u003C/span\u003E: As I said in the House last week, I have a good relationship with my mother-in-law, and on this side of the House we regard mothers-in-law as people one should have a good relationship with. Perhaps the National Party should appoint somebody for liaison with mothers-in-law. It would, of course, have to be somebody with a mother-in-law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b2864842253c49e58c398295394b9abe\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I ask the House please to come to order. There is a lot of chatter when members are asking questions. Please just calm down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225192f6d3-dca6-43c8-a55e-381e1d7c1225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229682164134994b7c9beeea9afadb109e\u0022\u003EHon Murray McCully\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister tell the House whether he agrees with the analysis of events at APEC provided by the new President of the New Zealand First Party, Mr Dail Jones, in the New Zealand Herald that it was about \u201CPhil Goff wanting to destabilise the situation so that he might make a run as leader of the party if Helen goes\u201D, or can he provide the House with a more flattering account of Mr Goff\u2019s actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd406db463fb4abba9bb2c2eadad8fda\u0022\u003EHon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN\u003C/span\u003E: No, I do not. My advice to anybody ever thinking about challenging the current leader of the Labour Party is that he or she would have to climb over the entire collection of rugby players in New Zealand before getting to her.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225192f6d3-dca6-43c8-a55e-381e1d7c1225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e2ec371d9124dd08edef03d4f1702c9\u0022\u003EHon Murray McCully\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister seen the further statement made by the President of the New Zealand First Party, Mr Jones, that \u201CIf the situation is destabilised with New Zealand First, then people like Phil Goff would be the winners\u201D, and can he assure the House that he holds no fears for the conduct of New Zealand\u2019s foreign policy as a consequence of the factors referred to by Mr Jones?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a793c36f1b4b4105b2e0eb681d751655\u0022\u003EHon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN\u003C/span\u003E: I hold no such fears. The only party I am aware of where there is chatter about the leadership is the National Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225192f6d3-dca6-43c8-a55e-381e1d7c1225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a04d11eadcaf4fc1aa92a57023555f5d\u0022\u003EHon Murray McCully\u003C/span\u003E: Can he explain why the Minister of Foreign Affairs refused to answer questions put to him by the Dominion Post about the matters to be discussed at his forthcoming meeting with the UK armed services Minister, Mr Ingram; and was it because he intends to establish a different foreign policy from that of the Clark Government with the United Kingdom, just as he has done with the United States, Australia, and China?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f8c14fb-b919-46ef-866b-8db68cfa4cf0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2b990ca89ff489196c714fc4a62841f\u0022\u003EHon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN\u003C/span\u003E: I do not accept the latter assertion. On the former matter, Mr Peters has specifically told the Prime Minister that he has supported the Government\u2019s actions in respect of Iraq and Afghanistan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002248a65615441b4d4085c6a754449fdb7c\u0022\u003EBenefits\u2014Beneficiary Numbers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f5e8c8d836946f7a0e1f571943c57cd\u0022\u003EGEORGINA BEYER (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Social Development and Employment: What reports has he received on the number of people on benefits?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022 data-id=\u00222431b2bc8dbe4c8682fec360e6ed54b6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222431b2bc8dbe4c8682fec360e6ed54b6\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E The latest quarterly figures prepared by the Ministry of Social Development show that in the year to September 2005 the number of working-age New Zealanders on benefits dropped by a further 16,000, or 5 percent. There are 83,000, or 22 percent, fewer New Zealanders receiving assistance than there were in 1999.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a20724200bb44f7aa3479f54d6b7a4f\u0022\u003EGeorgina Beyer\u003C/span\u003E: Given yet another remarkable result, my supplementary question asks: does the Government have an estimate of the value of moving so many people from benefits into work?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022acbb2458b9ee4260970383b724ce0419\u0022\u003EGerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Speaker. You may be tolerant of new members starting questions like that, but this is not a new member and it should not be encouraged, or even allowed. One would hope, Madam Speaker, that you might ask the member to refrain in future from those sorts of comments. Further, I might add that we have noticed those sorts of comments coming through from answers today that have gone largely unchecked as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e1c99b2c615847959f02308f23e1d64c\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member for his comments. He is quite right. I direct his comments also to all members in the House. I ask members just to stick to the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002279600c1f963f4023abd7064e857bc170\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE\u003C/span\u003E: For each individual in the workforce, of course, the value to his or her self-esteem and sense of worth is immeasurable. Additionally, though, it is important to note that moving 83,000 New Zealanders into work amounts to a saving of at least $14 million per week. The reduction in expenditure, therefore, between 2003 and 2005 alone totals some $3.3 billion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298d7b9563eb74abb9bab4d95657b75f3\u0022\u003EJudith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: When does he expect a decrease in the sickness and invalids beneficiary numbers, which, despite the glowing reports he has just given us, have continued to soar under his Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ad712975adb4d7c82eedae0344757fe\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE\u003C/span\u003E: There is no disguising what has been phenomenal success overall. Under this Government, 301,000 more New Zealanders are in jobs. We have the lowest unemployment rate in the OECD, and the total number of working-age New Zealanders on benefits is, as I said, 22 percent lower. It is true that there has been a slight increase in sickness beneficiaries, but the suggestion of the questioner does not hold water. Unemployment has decreased by 98,600. That is four times the net increase in sickness beneficiaries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002225439c337d8d43acb2bc5a3119a87cbd\u0022\u003EJudith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Speaker. The Minister has to address the question. The question asked when he expected a similar decrease in the numbers of sickness and invalids beneficiaries. We have just had an absolutely angry response from the Minister\u2014he was angry that I have dared to ask this question. He has not actually addressed it. I ask him to address the situation of sickness and invalids benefits, and when we might see and expect a decrease.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022568176e286c84bfd991493ff3ecaffaa\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member. The Minister, in his answer to the question, did address the question of sickness benefits. It was obviously not to the satisfaction of the member, but she has an opportunity to ask another supplementary question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002266ecb76b0e6c4ddb9302ffa5834f54f6\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE\u003C/span\u003E: The sickness and invalids benefits, it is true to say, grew at a rate of 69 percent and 84 percent respectively under the National Government. That is not to mention the unemployment rate, which climbed by 11 percent. In the latest year to September, the growth rate of the sickness benefit fell from 8 percent to 4 percent. We are getting on top of a trend that was clearly out of control under National. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221b86b14349094aa0a62844f89ecb634a\u0022\u003EAvian Influenza\u2014Preparation\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb545214b131496b82dae408e083b88e\u0022\u003EHon TONY RYALL (National\u2014Bay of Plenty)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: What medicines has the Ministry of Health started stockpiling for the possibility of an influenza pandemic?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022 data-id=\u00223e3b90f834f949d3a07b5f6564b38165\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223e3b90f834f949d3a07b5f6564b38165\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E I think the member may already know that the Ministry of Health has stockpiled the antiviral medication Tamiflu.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296283423bad641bbb4febde4c6f1e1fc\u0022\u003EHon Tony Ryall\u003C/span\u003E: Since most of the victims of the 1918 pandemic died of secondary infections like pneumonia, why have the Ministry of Health and Pharmac not moved to secure greater supplies of antibiotics?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291cd0ac03f81422f83f2b0ba4e18c601\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: The member asks a very good question. I suggest that when the Health Committee is briefed\u2014I think tomorrow\u2014the member should put that to folk. In the meantime, I offer the proposition that it would probably not be a very good idea to stockpile a lot of antibiotics early, especially when the bug itself is not yet known, simply because the expiry date\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db1bdb64fd1d4abcafaa5933df434424\u0022\u003EHon Tony Ryall\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019ve got to lift your stock levels.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022189e245290354fc1aaf59064f73a7b38\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Would the Minister address the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b536519f3244e94a643c029b3761d4f\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: I am trying to get a difficult answer across to a member whose neighbour is not helping. The problem with pre-stockpiling antibiotics is that they often have a short expiry date, and that means that the antibiotics would be wasted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a718674f49748b4a27880d95457f7cd\u0022\u003ESue Kedgley\u003C/span\u003E: Why has the Government told district health boards in the recently released New Zealand Influenza Pandemic Action Plan that they should build up their own supplies of Tamiflu in the event of a pandemic rather than rely on the national stockpile; and given that the chances of obtaining Tamiflu at this late stage are very slim indeed, why has the Government waited until now to give them that advice?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002233bcbf71bf7d474996d6e3b2a034d3c4\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: It may help the member to know that New Zealand has enough Tamiflu doses for approximately 20 or 21 percent of its population\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257c01d0fb5b64a8798e12f98144964a4\u0022\u003EHon Tony Ryall\u003C/span\u003E: No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d81d72419dd74f5ba44d09ad656e6af5\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: It does have enough doses for about 21 percent of the population, which ranks it higher than, I think, almost any other country\u2014with the possible exception of Japan\u2014and which follows World Health Organization guidelines. That is somewhat higher than, for example, the US level, which is around 2 percent. District health boards have not been instructed to carry additional stockpiles, but they are certainly entitled to. On top of that, district health boards have been asked to lay in supplies of personal protection equipment, and because those supplies do not have an expiry date of any consequence they are being laid in now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a6018ed32c57453c80b976a43a7fdedd\u0022\u003EHon Tony Ryall\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister secured, or begun to secure, sufficient stockpiles of all essential drugs and medicines, in order to meet the ongoing needs of ordinary New Zealanders if the borders are closed for several weeks during a pandemic?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba8b4eff41f34f5d8564452a03627557\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: No, and the reason is that it is a little early. I refer my colleague to my answer to his original question, which was that it is not a good idea to lay in a whole lot of drugs that have an expiry date when we do not yet have a bug capable of human-to-human spread.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d194378f41694488aa31021d61359052\u0022\u003ESue Kedgley\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister received any advice as to whether the Health and Safety in Employment Act and the National Health Emergency Plan: Infectious Diseases could require health workers to take Tamiflu prophylactically, conceivably every day for up to 12 weeks at a time, to offer them protection in the event of a bird flu epidemic; is he aware that if that was the case it could use up about half of New Zealand\u2019s entire national stockpile of Tamiflu?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268b8c7d915ca47f5a71dc97f92e04a46\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: The short answers are no and yes, although it is the case that we will retain, I am sure, some Tamiflu for ongoing prophylactic use in the essential services, especially since the pandemic could come in more than one wave.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaaad191-62cf-43e8-a772-63a71dbf4d4a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c800d132f77b477fa43094f099d2f8a0\u0022\u003ESue Kedgley\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Speaker. I request the Minister to clarify his answer, because when he said \u201Cno and yes\u201D I was not sure whether he was saying \u201Cno or yes\u201D. Those are two quite different answers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a0c71f5ac4c44a5a890f1dfd0eac5d1\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member asked two questions and the Minister answered those questions, so that is not a point of order. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c104ae14f5814f50a1b221cfb605abc9\u0022\u003EHon Tony Ryall\u003C/span\u003E: If a vaccine does become available, how quickly could the population be immunised, considering that the meningococcal B programme started a year ago and the Government has still not immunised every under-5-year-old?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e3b7c4033d84a0c9a6724c9961f11cc\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: The member raises another good question. I think that the challenges of vaccinating an entire population, especially since it is likely to have to be done twice, in any short period of time is very challenging, indeed. I make a further point that if we have to bring people together to vaccinate them, we need to weigh the risks of bringing people together against the benefits of vaccination. So there is a lot to be asked yet about vaccination\u2014questions that I am asking, and that I am sure the member and other members of the Health Committee will ask public health officials when they meet tomorrow. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022edfe1d0abe8c498a8911ff9880141547\u0022\u003EHon Tony Ryall\u003C/span\u003E: Why does the Government\u2019s action plan not deal with who will actually treat the sick?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cfef9e4df25d4afc93b3971d7e221b55\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: The Government\u2019s action plan does. Beneath the released version 14 of the plan lies a great deal of other literature and thought, and I invite the members of the Health Committee tomorrow to put some of those questions to the public health people who are to be in front of them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7824c99543c4b1a811f4dea75f31916\u0022\u003EHon Tony Ryall\u003C/span\u003E: Release the documents.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f618bbc38ea54b498d8bd0a8072dbd7c\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: If the member wants documents to be released that are unreleased, can he please put the question to me. I am happy to release things that may be useful in explaining that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b33bbdf0d8f8402f8b34b94d06b14bae\u0022\u003EHon Tony Ryall\u003C/span\u003E: Why will the Government not release the draft list of who will get priority to the special reserves of Tamiflu, so that businesses and emergency services can plan in light of that information?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ed3daf9490f4b89bc9ddb0e98ab32af\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: To the best of my knowledge, there is no such draft list, but if there were it would be unlikely to be of any value. One cannot have a useful response to who should get Tamiflu until the nature of the virus and the sections of the community it is likely to affect are known, and that is not possible until there is a bug to respond to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f993bed02db64fec9547a4f4917b6ed7\u0022\u003EHon Tony Ryall\u003C/span\u003E: Is the reason why the Ministry of Health has not released its discussion on the reserve list that the Minister is on it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c0eba1d-17a6-44e2-a9b3-2e2535339570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef159a018ea74a4e9187c5ce27502356\u0022\u003EHon PETE HODGSON\u003C/span\u003E: I have not myself seen any such draft. If one exists it will be of limited use to anybody, because there is no case for drawing up how to distribute Tamiflu until the nature of the bug is known, and at the moment the bug does not exist.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022305a4c01c8d04887a0dede98bb3eac8f\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10 to Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u0022341939893299408a9eb6d30ce0eab1ed\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022341939893299408a9eb6d30ce0eab1ed\u0022\u003ERON MARK (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Madam Speaker. I would just ask you to bear with me as I explain my case. I am seeking that you strike out this question on the basis that it is simply coming from Mr Hide, and I will explain. I refer you firstly to Standing Order 59, which states that: \u201C\u2026 at the commencement of each sitting the Speaker reads a prayer to the House \u2026\u201D. In this prayer, the House acknowledges our need for God\u2019s guidance in all things and goes on to say: \u201CLaying aside all private and personal interests, we beseech Thee to grant that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our country to the glory of Thy holy name, the maintenance of true religion and justice, the honour of the Queen and the public welfare \u2026\u201D. I direct you further to Standing Orders 165(1) and 166(1), which stipulate and re-emphasise the rules regarding conflicts of interest.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EMr Hide\u2019s question clearly relates to a property owned by a man whom he has described many times in this House as his very good friend, Dave \u201CHendo\u201D Henderson. It involves a situation where a property, which Mr Henderson is the owner and landlord of, has been vacated by the Inland Revenue Department. This House, on many occasions, has heard that Mr Hide has received bids from Mr Henderson, has possibly received remuneration for doing work for Mr Henderson in Fiji, and has represented Mr Henderson on numerous occasions. Mr Henderson is a man who is reported to fund the ACT party and to support Mr Hide personally. Now, through the House, Mr Hide is seeking to get commercially confidential information that Mr Henderson would not otherwise have access to in order to put together his bid to retain the Inland Revenue Department as a tenant in his building.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EIn view of the prayer and the guidance we seek in the way in which we conduct business in this House, and in view of Standing Orders 165(1) and 166(1), which Mr Hide has not complied with, I say that if this question had been asked by any other member of the House it might well have been acceptable, but in its current form coming from Mr Hide\u2014Dave \u201CHendo\u201D Henderson\u2019s close mate, who has represented Mr Henderson in this House countless times\u2014this question is clearly out of order and should not be permitted to be asked by Mr Hide.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022 data-id=\u00226b8925cfb7f24f7aa1c7ff32d77b0b24\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226b8925cfb7f24f7aa1c7ff32d77b0b24\u0022\u003ERODNEY HIDE (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E That is not a point of order in any way whatsoever\u2014and I see that the Speaker is agreeing with me. Ron Mark can stand up and make all the complaints he likes, but that is not a point of order. There is no conflict of interest, and I know that the Speaker will rule accordingly. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ddff398ef7fe466ca35df6ddeed612d5\u0022\u003ERon Mark\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002270d4413087c3482a8ef319a21a4eddf6\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, the member has put his case very well and Mr Hide has responded succinctly. I just note that the prayer is aspirational, so no member is disqualified by it; that would certainly be a new ruling. I also point out that Standing Order 165 does not, of itself, disqualify a question or permit a question to be disallowed, so it does not relate to questions. I note, however, that if, in fact, Mr Hide does stand to gain financially as a result of asking the question, he has to declare it. But that does not make the question itself out of order. So I ask Mr Hide now to proceed to ask the question\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u0022253d787a5a674033aadb741dfafc434e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022253d787a5a674033aadb741dfafc434e\u0022\u003ERON MARK (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Madam Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225252c965216f4e44a5c92809419269a2\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is this a new point of order?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227861d980aabc4976b15ac7fb24e7a230\u0022\u003ERON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abde42e972a74a4ab4a4ce88ef34a164\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I have already ruled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226410d7466e9e4c218736e0c0e80c635c\u0022\u003ERON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: I accept your ruling, Madam Speaker, but in respect of Standing Order 166(1): \u201CA member must, before participating in the consideration of any item of business, declare any financial interest that the member has in that business.\u201D, and for the clarification of the House, I request that Mr Hide be asked to declare that he has no financial interest whatsoever in dealings with Mr Henderson and that this question is not in any way aimed at helping Mr Henderson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002225a627f821f645a78083344afc48fa53\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member. It is not for the Speaker to ask the member that; it is for the member himself to address the issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221f92ad6d7c274feb9eded09a4b53d6e3\u0022\u003EInland Revenue Department\u2014Directories House, Christchurch\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002284435ea71a48457e82b340a2324a12f3\u0022\u003ERODNEY HIDE (Leader\u2014ACT)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Revenue: How much is the Inland Revenue Department paying per square metre for its accommodation in Directories House, Christchurch, and what is the total cost of the fit-out and move to Directories House?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f555a23a-d230-4f03-80ba-a44e6ec8bd29\u0022 data-id=\u00222a60f87b1d0146c1bbcb39ff5d05667d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f555a23a-d230-4f03-80ba-a44e6ec8bd29\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222a60f87b1d0146c1bbcb39ff5d05667d\u0022\u003EHon PETER DUNNE (Minister of Revenue):\u003C/span\u003E I cannot disclose those figures because they are the subject of a confidentiality agreement between the commissioner and the building owners. I do not have the total cost of the fit-out and the move to Directories House at this stage, simply because those costs have yet to be finalised.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e49c9bdae794269a830b6343c7448ba\u0022\u003ERodney Hide\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister consider it acceptable that the Inland Revenue Department moved into temporary accommodation in Christchurch at a cost of $330 a square metre, as reported in the National Business Review, plus a $2 million fit-out, when it could have stayed in its present accommodation in Henderson House paying $130 a square metre; if so, why does he think it acceptable?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f555a23a-d230-4f03-80ba-a44e6ec8bd29\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f113f622c6948e892678183d6cf5c4c\u0022\u003EHon PETER DUNNE\u003C/span\u003E: The Inland Revenue Department could not stay in its current accommodation; that lease was due to terminate in December of this year. Negotiations regarding its renewal commenced in the middle of last year, and they were not concluded satisfactorily.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022885711ec308d49229acea188c21ab4de\u0022\u003ERodney Hide\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister believe it was possible for the Inland Revenue Department to stay on in a building owned by a man the previous Minister of Revenue, Michael Cullen, falsely accused of being \u201Cone of the biggest and nastiest tax evaders\u201D, and of running \u201Cthe sex industry in Christchurch\u201D; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f555a23a-d230-4f03-80ba-a44e6ec8bd29\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f78e1bec57ee48e2a01a8b4e4526b319\u0022\u003EHon PETER DUNNE\u003C/span\u003E: The member clearly knows Mr Henderson better than I do, and is therefore better placed to answer that question. I just make this point: at the time the Inland Revenue Department went into what is now known as Henderson House, the building was not in fact owned by Mr Henderson. I understand he acquired it subsequently.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226933c6e822f84755beee768fcfb3f7a6\u0022\u003EDr the Hon Lockwood Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister consider his department\u2019s almost 300 percent increase in Christchurch accommodation costs to be an example of Treasury\u2019s recent briefing advice to the Government that \u201CThere is little to indicate that New Zealanders are getting more services and better results from the public sector for the large increases in resources provided.\u201D; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f555a23a-d230-4f03-80ba-a44e6ec8bd29\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b91af261ccc4f32be5d1dbe34aef863\u0022\u003EHon PETER DUNNE\u003C/span\u003E: No, I do not believe that. In fact, when the process being embarked upon of reorganising Inland Revenue Department services in Christchurch is complete, taxpayers will get an even better service than they currently get.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224a5386e6d0fe471d9e1b316f66aa92a3\u0022\u003EPassports\u2014Charges for e-passports\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002292b47fbf2aa94775b7a49b417dcd24a7\u0022\u003ESANDRA GOUDIE (National\u2014Coromandel)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Internal Affairs: Does he stand by his statement regarding the new e-passport, \u201CIt\u2019s people\u2019s perception of its beauty and its quality and its integrity.\u201D; if so, does he believe the \u201Cbeauty\u201D and \u201Cintegrity\u201D of the new e-passport is worth twice as much as the old passport?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002203bc0052-6dd8-4807-998a-4768a4732e0b\u0022 data-id=\u00223a6d66c7f10049cfa40e7c6aade8b02e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203bc0052-6dd8-4807-998a-4768a4732e0b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223a6d66c7f10049cfa40e7c6aade8b02e\u0022\u003EHon RICK BARKER (Minister of Internal Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223aa914d54a574bc091b530901ed4d790\u0022\u003ESandra Goudie\u003C/span\u003E: Does he believe that New Zealanders view the new passport as being so beautiful that they are happy to pay twice as much for a passport that now lasts half as long as its predecessor; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203bc0052-6dd8-4807-998a-4768a4732e0b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a16dfc000a2a4e4ab1eeaa70b3844b6d\u0022\u003EHon RICK BARKER\u003C/span\u003E: The rate of applications for new passports at this stage of the year is higher than it was 12 months ago, and any New Zealander who is in a remote part of the world will tell one that the best thing he or she has to guarantee safe passage home is, in fact, his or her New Zealand passport.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221da19cee99714628ad2b28f10e0b0350\u0022\u003ESandra Goudie\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Speaker. That answer clearly did not go anywhere near addressing the question. May I put the question again, please?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fee600da9d6d41638c852b7154c94bfd\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member did address the question, obviously not to the satisfaction of the member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d21c286832254e06abbb064ff720ae3c\u0022\u003ESandra Goudie\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Speaker. He absolutely\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022022cfe6b-bae4-4028-b68a-ccffb4269442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8aeb8bcb2d947db8af6ef80ad0e7e85\u0022\u003EMadam SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I have ruled on that question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c201fbe758c4b5d8ac7bbbc33eb8a7f\u0022\u003ESandra Goudie\u003C/span\u003E: How did his department come up with the costing for the new passport, which had its price doubled, when he stated that it has an intangible value?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203bc0052-6dd8-4807-998a-4768a4732e0b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002283847c2bc8a7447fab4bbfa68e6e2e2f\u0022\u003EHon RICK BARKER\u003C/span\u003E: The costing of the passports was done very carefully, and as I have explained to the member before, all of the revenue from the passports will go into a memorandum account. That will be open to public scrutiny, and also to this House, to ensure that the costs attributed to that account are, in fact, fair. If there is any underspend on that, then it will lead to a subsequent reduction in the cost of the New Zealand passport.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d98c89ff8d4c4f11a3bfa825d497d242\u0022\u003ESandra Goudie\u003C/span\u003E: How does he reconcile his statement that the new passports have an intangible value, with that of his department\u2019s passport manager, who was able to specify that the cost of the new e-chip was exactly $22?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203bc0052-6dd8-4807-998a-4768a4732e0b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6e274190e9f4977b306ba2be5c83eb9\u0022\u003EHon RICK BARKER\u003C/span\u003E: That particular quote did not actually take into account the full cost of the passport, which is for not just the chip but the encoding systems, the computer systems, and all of the other systems that support the New Zealand passport. To repeat my answer, all the revenue gained by the Crown for the cost of the passports can be spent only on passport matters. The money is deposited into a memorandum account and it can be subject to clear parliamentary scrutiny.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ec8a1e3dee443e882a51e0ba88f9d9e\u0022\u003ESandra Goudie\u003C/span\u003E: Has the new passport had its physical appearance, such as its colour, changed; if not, why does he believe that the beauty of it has been enhanced so much that it is now twice as expensive as the old passport, which looked virtually identical?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203bc0052-6dd8-4807-998a-4768a4732e0b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022533aaff314994a29a23156b0cc446972\u0022\u003EHon RICK BARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But I would also make the point that if one wants to compare the cost of a New Zealand passport with another, there is the Australian passport. The Australian passport costs $185 for the same deal. The New Zealand passport is cheaper.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a56cd93016cc44cdbfe62f1b5d3136ed\u0022\u003EConservation, Department\u2014Island Pest Eradication\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221fb8d8db-3e96-49c7-ab1c-b7916a50e30e\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022811b8aaf09db4731a957801b69a33518\u0022\u003ESTEVE CHADWICK (Labour\u2014Rotorua)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Conservation: What progress has the Department of Conservation made in island pest eradication?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d4506109-be18-4b9d-9a79-1e15e2e2cd41\u0022 data-id=\u0022e85ab7aa2c1b41268f8cb5d1249075c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4506109-be18-4b9d-9a79-1e15e2e2cd41\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e85ab7aa2c1b41268f8cb5d1249075c4\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS CARTER (Minister of Conservation):\u003C/span\u003E The Department of Conservation is a world leader in developing and applying techniques for eradicating introduced pests on offshore islands. The department has developed the skills and technology to eradicate rodents from large and steep islands. This progress greatly enhances our prospects of saving many of our special endangered species.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221fb8d8db-3e96-49c7-ab1c-b7916a50e30e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022919810a19e8c40eea5b8ae069f0a7c3c\u0022\u003ESteve Chadwick\u003C/span\u003E: Has the special biodiversity project on Secretary Island in Fiordland been successful?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4506109-be18-4b9d-9a79-1e15e2e2cd41\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022556c5276707840748f32760efee7c008\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS CARTER\u003C/span\u003E: This week the Department of Conservation announced that Secretary Island has been cleared of stoats. This was a special biodiversity project announced in the 2005 Budget as being completed in record time allowing my department to reintroduce a number of endangered bird species, perhaps even, in time, k\u0101k\u0101p\u014D\u2014another example of a Labour promise fulfilled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022dda2ec48387245d7ae69f7854ef07cda\u0022\u003EQuestions to Members\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f023bb5cc55f4803accf5cd6287cf353\u0022\u003EChild, Youth and Family Services, Department\u2014Financial Review\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226c1d5df8-ac1d-4ce1-a778-202845cfc69f\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228dec58e389ba4f169a8b968dd080522c\u0022\u003EHEATHER ROY (Deputy Leader\u2014ACT)\u003C/span\u003E to the Chairperson of the Social Services Committee: Is the Social Services Committee conducting a financial review of the Department of Child, Youth and Family Services; if so, on what date will evidence be heard?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022 data-id=\u0022165f818b400a4386a2825ba6a28a2639\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022165f818b400a4386a2825ba6a28a2639\u0022\u003EGEORGINA BEYER (Chairperson of the Social Services Committee):\u003C/span\u003E I am pleased to inform the ACT party representative on the Social Services Committee that, yes, evidence will be heard on Wednesday, 23 November 2005, at 11.30 a.m. I look forward to seeing the member there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226c1d5df8-ac1d-4ce1-a778-202845cfc69f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cef88277684441fcb857610708354dc1\u0022\u003EHeather Roy\u003C/span\u003E: Will the outgoing Chief Executive of Child, Youth and Family Services, Paula Tyler, appear before the Social Services Committee tomorrow to give evidence?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d851272f4a54e948237a54754ca732e\u0022\u003EGEORGINA BEYER\u003C/span\u003E: I can confirm that that will be the case.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022579b0e42d05242f0900fa3a8de2fe4ef\u0022\u003EJudith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Will the outgoing Chief Executive of Child, Youth and Family Services, Paula Tyler, be required to answer questions regarding her failed employment?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228fc129c42e2643e4abd765ef7362f9b7\u0022\u003EGEORGINA BEYER\u003C/span\u003E: As chair of the Social Services Committee, far be it from me to speculate on what questions members may ask Ms Tyler.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00229f71a3f56ce04099baf2d9a5d765895e\u0022\u003EAddress in Reply\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f1adf4eefcc04155834ae4ac8118d482\u0022\u003EAddress in Reply\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000234\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 17 November.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u00221795a64031d3431cab746cfb57a1fc2f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221795a64031d3431cab746cfb57a1fc2f\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (National\u2014Clutha-Southland):\u003C/span\u003E I was going to talk about education in the Address in Reply debate, particularly when I heard Steve Maharey say that he wanted to be associated with excellence. Well, putting Steve Maharey in charge of excellence and education is like putting David Benson-Pope in charge of victim support. But, as my colleague says, he is\u2014and it is actually just as likely. Steve Maharey\u2019s record in education is one of wreckage, chaos, and mess. The Government feels so badly about what Steve Maharey did in tertiary education that it has put Dr Cullen in charge of that, and it has given him 3 years to fix it. He will need every day of the rest of the life of this Government to make any headway, at all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EAs I said, I was going to talk about that, but the mess the Government has got itself into over its arrangement with New Zealand First and Winston Peters is so bad that it cannot go without comment after question time today. We have tried in this House to get the Government to establish the rules on which Winston Peters is operating. What role does he have, in being part of the Government as a Minister but outside the Government as the leader of the New Zealand First Party? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EWe have had to ask those questions in the House, because the Cabinet Manual is now no longer of any value. In fact the Prime Minister, Helen Clark, has effectively suspended the Cabinet Manual. The Cabinet Manual that currently exists is not relevant; we have been told that by the Prime Minister herself. But there is no new manual. Even if the current one is meant to have some kind of currency, what action will the Prime Minister take against Phil Goff, who certainly breached the conventions of collective responsibility by undermining New Zealand\u2019s Minister of Foreign Affairs overseas. That is the Minister who leaked to the media the fact that he was having backroom conversations with the Foreign Minister of another country about our Minister of Foreign Affairs. He did that to humiliate Mr Peters. So we have looked at the Cabinet Manual and decided that it has no currency; it is irrelevant. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EWe have asked questions in the House and have had no answers to them. I tell Helen Clark that that is holding the House in contempt. The main function of this House, apart from its representative capacity, is to hold the executive to account. We cannot hold that Prime Minister or her Government to account, because she cannot tell us what responsibilities the Government has. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EThe Prime Minister should come to the House and lay those responsibilities out, but she has not done that. Instead, she had a go at doing that at a press conference yesterday. She did not think it was worth telling Parliament; she thought she would tell the New Zealand Herald\u2014no doubt, to curry favour with it after the protracted rows she has had with it over the years. Let us look at what she told the New Zealand Herald. She was asked how Mr Peters would handle issues such as defence and trade when he had different views from the Government\u2014because he certainly has. She just said: \u201C\u2026 you may find that he\u2019s saying a good deal less on those issues \u2026\u201D. So that is the answer: Helen Clark has told Winston Peters to say nothing about the issues on which he disagrees with the Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b02cdafa99c246a7b72b73ff0f1b1f67\u0022\u003EDr the Hon Lockwood Smith\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s going to meet the Defence Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022580d5ed1d6084d68b551b4cb8ebf049e\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: He is going to meet the Defence Minister, but we will come to that. First, she said that Mr Peters would say a good deal less. Then she said that she did not believe there would be confusion in other countries about discrepancies between Mr Peters and the Government on defence or trade. There would be no confusion about the discrepancies, because in that situation he was bound by collective responsibility in his capacity as Minister of Foreign Affairs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EWhat does that mean? We now have a new definition of what the Minister of Foreign Affairs does. The agreement with the Government does not say anything about Mr Peters being bound on trade and defence as part of his responsibility as Minister of Foreign Affairs. It actually says the opposite. The Prime Minister is saying to the press that he is bound by collective responsibility on defence and trade; the agreement she signed just a few weeks ago states exactly the opposite. It states that he is not bound on anything outside his responsibilities as the Minister of Foreign Affairs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022401ec8fcd78947b1b5224e9e0bd72c67\u0022\u003EGerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: So what\u2019s going on? Unbelievable!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002271482404f7254e5d93440f1499861147\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Well, members should listen to this explanation: \u201CI don\u2019t think we should try to make the situation more complex than it needs to be.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002248379acad54a4750a62c5c4873a2599a\u0022\u003EGerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Who said that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b6ae148d2614978b08062a9d4a4c390\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Ms Clark. Of course she does not want to make it more complex than she, Winston Peters, and Phil Goff have made it. We can have all this political toing and froing in here\u2014and we will, for as long as this Government lasts. It will be an issue, because Helen Clark cannot, and will not, resolve it. But I tell members that what really bothers me is how stupid we look to other countries, and how stupid we look to the Australians, who think that this Government is away with the fairies, anyway.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EHowever, Winston Peters is over there representing all of us, because we treat foreign affairs largely as a bipartisan issue. On issues that matter, on serious issues of serious national interest such as whether we send more troops to Afghanistan, we take a bipartisan approach. So Winston Peters is representing not just New Zealand First\u2014he certainly does not represent the Labour Party, because he does not want to\u2014but he is representing the New Zealand Parliament and people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EBut what happened when he went to Australia to represent us? Labour humiliated him. It humiliated New Zealand\u2019s Minister of Foreign Affairs at APEC. It has humiliated him again today. He is going off to have a meeting with a senior UK Minister, the Minister of State for the Armed Forces, but Helen Clark came out this morning to set out the Government\u2019s position on Afghanistan before Mr Peters arrives at the meeting, just to make sure that no matter what he says there no one will take any notice of it. So Winston Peters is someone who has gone into an agreement with the Government, and the Government has decided that the best way to treat him is to humiliate him. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e26ce6c5e87e457396acee4ebbc3adee\u0022\u003EGerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: He loves it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dcd8fa75cb61401eb5a6e0099e6249b6\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Some of us would say that he deserves it\u2014whether or not he loves it. Some would say he is behaving in a stupid manner himself. The photo from APEC of New Zealand\u2019s Minister of Foreign Affairs trying to stand aside from the rest of the Asia-Pacific region\u2014as if anyone noticed, for God\u2019s sake!\u2014was just ridiculous, and it brought shame on our country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003ENational members want Helen Clark to lay out the rules and, through Parliament, to express what responsibility Winston Peters has. We want her to tell Phil Goff to stop undermining the Minister of Foreign Affairs, because we believe that it is bad for New Zealand, and we believe that she should stop saying stupid and contradictory things to the press about what her Government is up to. The Prime Minister has been through all this before. Can members of Parliament remember when Jim Anderton was the leader of one party in the House and the leader of a different party outside the House? Do members remember how corrosive that was and how stupid it looked? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EHelen Clark has decided that being Prime Minister is so important to her that she has to override all those conventions that make our constitution work. She has suspended the Cabinet Manual. There are now no rules for Cabinet Ministers. She cannot explain them herself in response to simple and intelligent questions from the media.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EAnd she has now decided to downgrade our Minister of Foreign Affairs to the point where he receives no respect. The New Zealand Herald referred to him as a \u201Cpostbox\u201D. Well, at least that indicated some kind of specific role. Helen Clark has not described Mr Peters as an influential and senior Minister or as a spokesperson for the Government; she has described him as \u201Ca point of contact\u201D. New Zealand\u2019s Minister of Foreign Affairs is now a point of contact, and that is all. We know Mr Peters and we know him well, so I ask him whether he will take that humiliation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022 data-id=\u002250b1c52beddb48f08f08deeecb29d7b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002250b1c52beddb48f08f08deeecb29d7b9\u0022\u003EHONE HARAWIRA (M\u0101ori Party\u2014Te Tai Tokerau):\u003C/span\u003E Hoin\u014D hei t\u012Bmatanga k\u014Drero, me mihi au ki a koutou e te wh\u0101nau kua haere tawhiti mai hei tautoko i te kaupapa o te r\u0101 nei. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E[An interpretation in English was given to the House.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E[Indeed, as a preface to my address, I would like to acknowledge you collectively, the family who have come here from a distance to support today\u2019s event. And so I greet and thank you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EThe other day one of the kids from Te Rangi\u0101niwaniwa asked what I could bring to Parliament. I come from the classic M\u0101ori extended wh\u0101nau. I have a history and a passion for M\u0101ori education, M\u0101ori media, and the Treaty of Waitangi, a commitment to M\u0101ori rights, and a long and distinguished record in the courtrooms of this country. One of my kaum\u0101tua from Te Rarawa said he had voted for me because I had been singing the same waiata since the 1970s\u2014a classic gold number about the Treaty of Waitangi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EI stand here as a member of the new M\u0101ori Party, but carrying the same hopes and aspirations of my predecessors: Fredrick Nene Russell, Hone T\u0101whai, Paraire Paikea, Hone Heke Rankin, Matiu Rata, and even the recently refurbished Tau Henare.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003ESo when a reporter asked me whether I thought the M\u0101ori Party was separatist, I said that if unity meant a continuation of the appalling health, education, housing, mortality, and prison statistics that M\u0101ori face, then, hell yes, I must be a separatist. I told him that if, after 150 years of our being governed in the manner that we have been, our customary rights and, in terms of the denial of judicial process, even our basic human rights can be denied, then, hell yes, I must be a separatist, for only a fool could allow such destruction to go unchallenged. I wish to extend my thanks to the UN special rapporteur for coming to Aotearoa to hear representations from M\u0101ori on the degradation of their human rights.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EWhen we first talked of a h\u012Bkoi from Te Rerenga Wairua to Wellington to oppose the Foreshore and Seabed Bill, I had a sense of the anger felt by M\u0101oridom at what the chairman of the Treaty Tribes Coalition called \u201Cthe most grievous breach of our human rights in recent times\u201D. But neither I nor anyone else could have foreseen the power, the unity, and the passion of the tens of thousands who poured on to the streets of the nation to demonstrate their opposition to the bill and the legislation that followed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EThat legislation is what brought the condemnation of the United Nations upon us, and for all that the Prime Minister may seek to downplay the importance of the visit, the United Nations Commission on Human Rights is not an organisation to be taken lightly. By forcing the M\u0101ori nation down the path of no legal redress, she has guaranteed that our credibility as a country is now on the line, our status as a racially tolerant nation is at an end, and, with the likely ongoing dispute and turmoil, our ranking with the international finance agencies will also be on edge. Like Nero fiddling while Rome burnt, the Prime Minister frolicked with a sheep while the M\u0101ori nation was at her door, and the M\u0101ori Party will forever be here to remind her of the folly of her ways.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003ESo why am I here? Why am I in Parliament? My tupuna Tamati Waka Nene encouraged M\u0101ori to sign the Treaty, because he said there were already many blue-eyed mokopuna, and because he believed that the Treaty would guarantee M\u0101ori rights and would not allow M\u0101ori to become slaves in their own land. I am here to defend M\u0101ori rights and to advance M\u0101ori interests. I want to retain the M\u0101ori seats in Parliament, to repeal the foreshore and seabed legislation, and to support legislation that will enable all citizens of Aotearoa to live a healthy and meaningful life.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EBut I am not here to validate a parliamentary process that denies my people the opportunities they deserve. We are being denied that opportunity by a Government that treats us like sheep to be herded from one place to another, that keeps us dependent on welfare, and that seeks even to determine our path to prosperity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E As chairman of my kura, I have seen this Government take away a contract in which we had overachieved, and give it to a college of education that had held the same contract for 12 months and had done absolutely nothing. As a founding member of the Tai Tokerau public health organisation, I have seen well-run and high-outcome health contracts taken away from M\u0101ori providers and given back to the poorly performing district health boards. As a taxpayer, I watch the dismantling of the Kait\u0101ia Hospital and I have to ask: while we are saving our money, who is saving our lives? As a son of the Tai Tokerau, I see a million-dollar prison being built in my backyard, while the Department of Corrections freely admits that prisons do not work, and I see schools sell cakes and sausages to fund their operations. And as a M\u0101ori, I was forced to endure the National Party bashing M\u0101ori to get votes. I cringe at the thought that in the 21st century people could be so callous in their disregard for the rights of M\u0101ori that they would seek to betray our citizenship in order to get into power.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EI want to help create the environment where M\u0101ori feel positive about taking risk, and where they feel encouraged to seek their own solutions. I want to work to increase funding that encourages positive M\u0101ori initiative, and to resource those who dedicate their lives to their communities, both M\u0101ori and non-M\u0101ori. I want us all to treasure the Treaty in the same way that we are proud to embrace the haka. I want to challenge M\u0101ori to challenge ourselves to be all that we can be, to refuse to accept the crime and poverty that infest our lives, and to lift ourselves to the status our tupuna dreamt of for us. And I want this House to take up the challenge of helping make that happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EOne of those challenges is te reo M\u0101ori. In 1987 M\u0101ori was finally honoured as an official language in this country. It is taught in preschools, in primary schools, in intermediate schools, in secondary schools, in tertiary institutions, and in homes and offices throughout the nation. Our k\u014Dhanga reo, kura kaupapa, whare w\u0101nanga, whare kura, iwi radio, and M\u0101ori television have been adopted all around the indigenous world as the model for language retention and revitalisation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EYet when, in our first minute in the House, I rose to welcome us all with a short mihi in M\u0101ori, my reception was a stunned and stony silence. Then last week, when Nandor Tanczos returned to the House, and I spoke for less than a minute in M\u0101ori to welcome him back and to welcome the delegation that had travelled hundreds of miles to hear Pita Sharples speak, I got blasted for it by the Speaker. It seems that for all its official status the M\u0101ori language has yet to find a home in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EThen, when we got into question time, the House descended into the petty point-scoring, often nasty, and always noisy bedlam for which it is notorious, and I watched the Speaker sit quietly by as if that is how the House is supposed to act. And I know already how our behaviour can be improved. A tour of marae throughout any iwi in the country would teach us all the etiquette of whaik\u014Drero and the right of the speaker to be heard without interjection. And, if I might add, without malice, a lesson in tikanga for the Speaker of a House that is becoming browner by the election would not go amiss, either.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EWhen the time came to swear allegiance in this House, the M\u0101ori Party MPs also gave their oath of loyalty to the Treaty of Waitangi, because without the Treaty there can be no valid authority for the Crown in this country. We should all look to our past for guidance, and we should look to the Treaty to help us face our past, and build our future together. The Treaty is the founding document of our nation. It provides the basis for good relations between all citizens of Aotearoa, it sets out how resources can be managed for the betterment of all, and it provides the framework for an ethical and inclusive society. To deny its rightful place in our society is to deny our past and to limit our future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EIts betrayal is at the source of much of the ill-feeling between the races in this nation, and I say to all who would bother to listen that if there is one truth about the Treaty of Waitangi, it is this: there will be no true peace in Aotearoa until this House has the courage to do justice by the Treaty. A nation that is secure in its place in the world would not shy away from the possibility that the Treaty could be enshrined as our nation\u2019s constitution, and that the Treaty might have a real place in guiding our legislative process. We have it within our power to ensure that historical grievances are settled justly, and that current and future governance reflects the partnership envisaged by the Treaty. I wonder, though, whether we have the courage to do it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EMy wife urged me not to make the following remarks, or to speak them only in M\u0101ori in order to soften their impact, but I cannot change the hand that history has already dealt us, and I will not ignore the challenge that I must lay down here. I am saddened by the knowledge that all the M\u0101ori MPs of the Labour Party know that what I say about the Treaty is true, but because their future is decided by their loyalty to the party, they have allowed themselves to be silenced. I am saddened by the knowledge that they too were as angry as the rest of M\u0101oridom over Labour\u2019s decision to push through with the Foreshore and Seabed Act, but they chose their own futures over the needs of their people, and said nothing. I know too that, their having rolled over on the Foreshore and Seabed Act, Helen Clark knew that her M\u0101ori MPs would never oppose her when she started rolling back the gains of the last 20 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003ESo when Labour announced a review of the Treaty in legislation, her M\u0101ori MPs said nothing. When Labour refused to entrench the M\u0101ori seats through which its M\u0101ori MPs had all come to power, again they said nothing. When Labour started bashing Te W\u0101nanga o Aotearoa, again they were silent. I note the rewards that were given for that silence in the handout of Cabinet and associate ministerships after the election. And while I will never forget the sense of betrayal that M\u0101ori felt right throughout the country at the actions of Labour\u2019s M\u0101ori MPs, I will never ever forgive the Labour Party for what it has done to cause the loss of mana to its own members of Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EAnd yet still I have hope. I have hope because I refuse to accept defeat. I have hope because even by coming to this House I know I carry the hopes and expectations of M\u0101oridom to achieve change, and I know they will be there when the call comes to act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EI have the greatest love for my kaum\u0101tua and kuia from all over Te Tai Tokerau who have given their all to support me into this House. Their days are short, but the M\u0101ori Party seems to have given them a new lease of life\u2014a sense that what they have always hoped and dreamt for has, in one small part, already come to pass. I have hope for my mokopuna and M\u0101ori kids at kura throughout Aotearoa, for they have a joy and a passion for being M\u0101ori that simply did not exist when I was a kid. I have hope for the next generation when I hear our young people at Nga Manu K\u014Drero say: \u201CIf Hone Harawira can get there, then I can get there, too.\u201D I have hope for our future because of the vigour and the enthusiasm, the fury and the romance, that our people have vested in the many songs and haka about the h\u012Bkoi and about the M\u0101ori Party. I have hope because I know that change is inevitable, and that the M\u0101ori Party will be part of that change.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EI see the bright and fiery eyes of those who have come to this House for the first time from all parties, and I have hope for the reckless courage of the new members, who want to stamp their mark on this House, and help build a new pathway for this nation. I see my whanaunga Shane Jones, my good friend Parekura Horomia, my ratbag companion Tau Henare, my relation Pita Paraone, the ever-helpful Metiria Turei, and the dreadlocked Nandor Tanczos, and I dare to hope that whanaungatanga and friendship will create opportunities that party politics would normally disallow.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EAnd I have hope too because of all those in the tino rangatiratanga movement who have nurtured me over the years, who have challenged me, who have abused me, who have carried me, and who have condemned me, but who have, at all times, reminded me that life is tough, but life without liberty ain\u2019t worth living.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EAotearoa is a nation founded on a troubled past. Attempts to colonise M\u0101ori have failed, and we remain a country divided. It seems that now, more than ever, M\u0101ori need to have faith in themselves, to be confident in their ability to determine their own future, and to work alongside their Treaty partners in meeting their obligations. Aotearoa is a beautiful country, and, contrary to popular belief, M\u0101ori welcome P\u0101keh\u0101 to these shores. But that relationship is dependent upon respect for the right of tangata whenua, and the respect for all others as well. But let me make this clear: M\u0101ori are here to stay, and so are M\u0101ori rights. I love my homeland, and I want my mokopuna to grow up in a country where he can walk down the street as a citizen of Aotearoa comfortable in his M\u0101ori identity; aware of his rights under the Treaty; confident, secure, and proactive in all aspects of his life; and respectful of all others in this society.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EA Catholic priest arrested and jailed in Manila for opposing martial law once said to me: \u201CHappy are those who dream dreams, and are prepared to pay the price to make those dreams come true.\u201D And Ng\u0101 Tamatoa leaves us with this little reminder: \u201CTama t\u016B, tama ora; tama noho, tama mate\u2014Tamatoa.\u201D Those who stand and fight shall live; those who sit and wait shall perish. E te iwi, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, huri atu, huri noa, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E[And so to you the people gathered here, there, and throughout, thank you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EHaka\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EKaranga\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022 data-id=\u002248cebec6e3b94594bdebe3c3b0d4f9e6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002248cebec6e3b94594bdebe3c3b0d4f9e6\u0022\u003ECHESTER BORROWS (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E My congratulations to the Hon Margaret Wilson on becoming the Speaker for a second term, to my colleague Clem Simich on his appointment as Deputy Speaker, and to you, Madam Assistant Speaker, and the honourable member Ross Robertson on your appointments as Assistant Speakers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the previous member for Whanganui, Jill Pettis. Jill is a tough campaigner. She and I never see eye to eye, but the conflict is always engaging and every milestone is hard fought and hard won.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 koe te Rangatira Tariana. Ka p\u012Brangi ahau. Ki te mahi ki t\u014D taha m\u014D ng\u0101 tangata o te rohe o Whanganui. Greetings, Tariana. We can work together for the benefit of the people of Whanganui.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EThe Whanganui electorate stretches from the Whangaehu River to the Kaupokonui Stream, and lies between the territorial borders of the South Taranaki District Council, the Wanganui District Council, and the coast. So the seat encompasses not only Wanganui City but also Kaponga, Manaia, Eltham, Haw\u0113ra, P\u0101tea, Waverley, Fordell, and the Whanganui River settlements of Koriniti, R\u0101nana, \u0100tene, Jerusalem, and Pipiriki.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EWithin its borders are many people with boundless energy, and various businesses and communities of interest. Bits of Wanganui design and manufacturing circle the globe as components on the National Aeronautics and Space Administration\u2019s space shuttle. Valueless animal gut is made into musical instrument and racquet strings, which sell for between $1.5 million and $6 million per tonne and are judged the best in the world. The biggest single-site dairy manufacturer in the world, which produces 2.5 percent of New Zealand\u2019s export earnings, is in H\u0101wera. The Universal College of Learning\u2019s fashion design school in Wanganui runs a degree course for which the fashion houses of Milan pay a premium. Fox and Disney recommend that their staff obtain qualifications from its graphic design school, and its fine arts course is world renowned. These are no less remarkable than the many volunteer organisations, Government service agencies, and conventional businesses. It is my privilege to represent these people and these ambitions, accomplishments, and successes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003E I need to thank those who have set me on the path leading to Parliament today. Firstly, I thank my team, my campaign chairs from three campaigns: David Bennett, Viv Chapman, and Gerard Langford. They have led volunteers who door-knocked, pushed pamphlets, attended meetings, wrote letters, sold raffle tickets, and gave wise counsel. I thank our president, Judy Kirk, who rang in March last year to convince me to stand again, after I had taken the decision to concentrate on the law and flag away politics; and, of course, I thank those who lobbied her to make that call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EI want also to thank a very good friend and an understated bloke by the name of Neil Walker. Neil signed me up to the National Party. Neil is also the person I point to as the significant influence on my decision to stand for Parliament, and he is the person who has driven me both across and up and down the country to meetings and conferences, chewed the fat with me, planted germs of ideas and challenged others, and supported me in every way to put my head above the parapet. Neil knocked on my door, canvassing on behalf of the National Party, just after the election in 1987. I had been up all night chasing burglars\u2014unsuccessfully\u2014in a little town called P\u0101tea, where I was the sole-charge cop. Normally, I would have told him where to go and shut the door and gone back to bed, but Neil knocked on my door about 2 weeks after I had made the decision to join the National Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EThat decision had come after about 30 years of preparation. My mum and dad, who are here today, raised a couple of kids to have a very strong sense of social justice. Dad has voted National twice in his life\u2014in 1975 and 2005. Mum will not let on, but I think she saw the light a little earlier. They believed, as I believed for 30 years, that the social gospel of our Christian faith was best reflected politically in the policies of the Labour Party. I had always believed this without question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EMy father got me a job on the wharf and slipway in Nelson with hard-working and hard-living men, some of them gang members\u2014people vastly different from me. As a 16-year-old casual labourer, I learnt how to weld and spray paint; I climbed through bilges and tanks, because casual labourers were on the bottom rung. I am sure this was what my father was thinking: that there were lessons for me to learn there that I could not pick up anywhere else\u2014and he was right. They were lessons about values, and they were valuable lessons. Many similar experiences through the years in the police, volunteer social work, community work, and youth work gave me plenty of opportunity for reflections on social justice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EMy decision to join the National Party, though, was in response to the then Labour Government removing the Project Employment Programme (PEP)\u2014the work-for-the-dole scheme of the late 1980s. The Minister of Labour decided to stop trying to provide work for the unemployed, because of the cost of administration. I saw this as an abdication of social responsibility. What happened was that on the first day after the withdrawal of PEP, with no reason to go to work and with time on their hands, the local Black Power in P\u0101tea got drunk and had a scrap. There was only me to deal with it. I walked up to that scrap thinking: \u201CWhere the hell are you now, Prebble?\u201D. I needed to do my bit to teach the Government a lesson. And then Neil knocked on my door.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EIn listening to the speeches of other new MPs, I find it interesting to see how similar starts in life have taken us to different places with divergent philosophies. I, like others who have spoken, have worked with people\u2019s lives. The trouble with that is there is no visible, tangible result of our labours. One cannot hang a life up on a wall, and say: \u201CWhen I started working with this person and that person their lives were a mess, but look at them now\u2014achieving to their full potential and fully participating.\u201D Unlike my late father-in-law, a carpenter, who could point to buildings as testament to his craft, or my farmer grandfather, who, starting in the Depression, took waste gumland in Northland and made clean and productive pasture, the results of my work seem to be intangible. But they are no less satisfying.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EIn 1976 I frequently worked in the cells under the Auckland Magistrate\u2019s Court, with David Lange\u2019s voice reverberating round the courtrooms while I was in the cells keeping an eye on his clients. Written on the walls of the cell block was a statement, reading: \u201CTwas an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth\u2014and the world was blind and toothless.\u201D The inscription was not scratched on the walls by a remorseful offender but by another policeman, examining the futility of society\u2019s response to crime and punishment as some would have us do it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EThen later, in 1989, I was working as a detective in South Taranaki. Family benefit was paid on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and some parents celebrated it by getting pissed\u2014and their children got hurt. I vividly recall a visit on an ordinary day to an ordinary State house, and to the typical 6-feet-square fibrolite shed behind it, which was filled with rubbish bags because nobody had the energy to take them a few metres to the gate to be collected. I had been talking to the father of the household that day in prison. The father had been charged with raping his sister-in-law. He had attempted sex, she had resisted, and he had broken her jaw, then raped her. So dad was in jail and mum was a few metres away on the turps with her mates. Their 7-year-old son took himself off for a sneaky smoke in the shed. He tripped and fell and somehow a fire started in the rubbish. He was trapped and incinerated before any of the adults knew what had happened. He was exactly the same age as my son. I watched my son sleeping that night, and blubbed, and decided that it was time to get active.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EA few strongly held beliefs do not save one life. Although the vast majority of people in similar circumstances did benefit, raised good kids, and went on to become independent and self-respecting, one size does not fit all. Everyone who ends up in custody will cost over $50,000 a year. Why would we not spend a fraction of that to avoid those outcomes? With 500,000 people between the ages of 5 and 20, and 5 percent of them being easily identifiable by early childhood or year-1 teachers as children at risk, why would we not do something to walk alongside those children to help them avoid the risks, dodge the bad influences, and reverse the negative expectations? Even from a purely financial perspective, it is worth it. But the social cost of human and spiritual capital is far, far more expensive. In New Zealand our homicide rate approaches 100 a year. For our population, this is about four times that of the United Kingdom, with all its threats of terrorism and all its racial tensions and organised crime. Why do we have such a culture of violence? That is a question too big to debate today, but it is a debate we must have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003ECommunities love to claim the achievers in sports and academia, the artists, and the good kids. But all the kids are ours\u2014those who make us proud and those we would prefer to ignore. Nothing is more inspiring than seeing a young life\u2014or, sometimes, a life not so young\u2014that, in spite of all pedigree, predictions, trends, and analyses, beats the odds to achieve beyond his or her wildest dreams. They are people who refuse to be relegated to the third place as underachievers by those social labellers who neglect everyone\u2019s right to achieve to his or her highest potential. They are the people who did not want an easy road, but had their buttons pushed by their will to win in their own right, who cut their own track, and who were able to stand in front of those who would lock them into low wages and low prospects and say: \u201CNo, damn it, don\u2019t patronise me, and don\u2019t pat me on the head and leave me in the corner. Let me have a crack at self-esteem. Give me a chance to break the mould.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EI want to live in a country that claims all children as its own and accepts the glory and the responsibility of that\u2014the responsibility to create opportunities for them to stand straight with chin up and chest out, and not to slouch on extended welfare for their whole working lives, never to stand proudly unaided. I want to live in a country where all talents and abilities are rewarded; not just the flavour-of-the-month occupations but the brain surgeon and the drain digger, the social worker and the rocket scientist, the chippy and the chairman of the board. That, Madam Assistant Speaker, is why I joined the National Party and why I stand here today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EMany of us who come here have connections from outside politics. My wife\u2019s former boss usually sits over there. My former lecturer, hard little snot that he is, sits down here\u2014I got 51 percent\u2014and he is also a newly found relative, as is the Hon Annette King. We share great-great-grandfathers. She may be happy that the relationship is not any closer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EIn 1996 I attended a conference titled Beyond Dependency, and heard Parekura Horomia, then of Te Puni K\u014Dkiri, speak and it was a fantastic and moving speech. On the way to the venue I passed Sue Bradford at the front of the demonstration. We had met before in similar circumstances, though she may not remember. But a couple of weeks ago Sue Bradford and I were sworn in together\u2014the protester and the policeman. T\u0113n\u0101 koe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EThe world is bigger than this House, but acknowledgment of that does not mean we should not try to work together. I am not so naive as to think that situations do not demand a fight, or that the scrap does not involve the loss of some skin or hair from time to time. Sometimes one just has to have the fight. All sides of the debate need airing; that is the nature of democracy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EPeople have asked me why I want to be here\u2014because some people think we are all nuts. My quick response is that I am egotistical enough to believe that I can make a difference, and I am pleased to say that others do, too. But my inspiration comes from a passage from Scripture outlining the requirements of my chosen faith: to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly before my God.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EI have fought three successive campaigns to get here, and in the intervening years I have given up a career of 24 years, been to Victoria University and obtained a law degree\u2014just, eh, Chris\u2014worked for 2\u00BD years as defence counsel, and spent 15 months campaigning full-time without wages. In all that time I have enjoyed the full support of my wife, Ella, my son Zac, and my daughters Abi and Katy. I doubt that any political aspirant has ever enjoyed the level of support they have shown me. It feels terrific to be in this House\u2014in spite of the reputation of politicians\u2014and credit for winning Whanganui and finally making it to this House belongs to that level of support. Thank you, Ella.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003EMy final thanks go to the people of the Whanganui electorate, many of whom voted against their tradition of voting for the left and voted for the right. I acknowledge that my job now is to show them that their decision was a good decision. I take nothing and nobody for granted. I will work even harder in the interests of the Whanganui electorate, to stand up under the task asked of me and never to forget the special privilege of being an electorate member of Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022 data-id=\u00225cd3a0219d304262bf5b02f302f87b3c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225cd3a0219d304262bf5b02f302f87b3c\u0022\u003EHon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Defence):\u003C/span\u003E I begin by congratulating the new member Chester Borrows, who has just resumed his seat. I think we hear the best from our members when they deliver their maiden speeches, and we have heard from Mr Borrows a very sincere presentation of his views and the things that have motivated him to come to the House. I congratulate you also, Madam Assistant Speaker, on your appointment, and I congratulate your fellow office holders in the House. I also congratulate Shane Jones and Sue Moroney on the moving and seconding of the Address in Reply. Those also, I think, were inspirational speeches and give us confidence about the new blood that has found its way into the Labour caucus. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EI speak now on a somewhat sombre note and reflect on the House\u2019s loss of Rod Donald, whom I did not get a chance to speak about in the House. Rod and I go back a long, long way. We both worked on the Residential Tenancies Bill in the early 1980s. We were at times allies and we were at times opponents, but we were never enemies. He was a person of passionate conviction for causes and beliefs, which drove him politically\u2014his support for human rights, his support for social justice\u2014and that, I think, makes his passing from the House a sad loss for all of us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EI remember also David Lange for his advocacy for the underdog. I worked closely with David from the late 1970s, and he was, I think, a person without peer in terms of his superb communication and his quick wit in the House. He was at times an inspirational leader, and I remember, in particular through the first 3 years of the fourth Labour Government, feeling that it was a huge privilege to work with him, from my perspective as the youngest and most junior member of Cabinet. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EI would also like to remember Jack Luxton, who was the Deputy Speaker when I came into this House, and John Falloon. I think they were truly decent men in what I would regard as the old style of the National Party, and I encourage the National Party today to go back to some of that gentlemanly perspective on life that, I think, created real respect. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EI have to say that after listening to the maiden speeches\u2014those I have heard\u2014it is hard to line up some of the speeches from the National Party with the appointment of a PC eradicator. I have heard a lot of \u201CKia oras\u201D coming from the National Party side. I see my old friend Tau Henare across the House. Tau Henare once set up the Mauri Pacific party, and I have here a quote from him. He said that M\u0101ori language would become a compulsory subject in all schools up until form 2 to ensure the language\u2019s survival. That is pretty PC! But it gets better. His party said it would adopt a gender balancing twinning policy. Well, that is more PC than I have ever dared to be from this side of the House. But then I look back at the maiden speech of the PC eradicator\u2014whom I am searching for in the House at the moment. I have just been talking about how people spoke from the heart when they gave their maiden speeches. This is from Wayne Mapp, back at the time he gave his maiden speech in the House. I listened closely because Wayne Mapp had contested an election against me, not as a National Party candidate but for the Labour Party selection in 1981. When he finally got into this House in 1997, he said this: \u201CThe liberating experience of education led me to develop equity admission programmes at the University of Auckland for Maori and Polynesian students undertaking commerce degrees.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EHow do we line up the double standards of the National members who one by one claim to be the most PC members in this House, then go out during an election and crusade against it? It is a little bit hard also, I have to say, to reconcile the National Party that tried to arouse race prejudice in this country by talking about the abolition of the M\u0101ori seats and the elimination of the Treaty of Waitangi from any legislation, with a letter signed by Don Brash and the leader of the M\u0101ori Party to try to form a coalition Government in this country. That, I think, reflects badly on both parties in terms of the hypocrisy that that represents. The National Party said it wanted to abolish the seats that saw the M\u0101ori Party elected, and the M\u0101ori Party was prepared to go into coalition with the National Party for whatever reason. I do not understand, because that was never the mandate given by the M\u0101ori voters who might have used their electorate vote to vote for the M\u0101ori Party but used their party vote to support the Labour Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E The 2005 election was the fourth MMP election in New Zealand. MMP does create a new political environment, and it demands a different response from how traditionally we operated under first past the post. Those of us who remember that system feel a little nostalgic about it\u2014the ability to form a clear-cut Government with a simple majority. But we have learnt something about MMP, and we learnt it from the National Party. The National Party was the first Government elected under MMP. It formed a coalition arrangement with the New Zealand First Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b63935ee-d78b-43a8-a3bc-996e7951fb9b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022823bdec710924004a156ad1d558fe453\u0022\u003ER Doug Woolerton\u003C/span\u003E: I remember that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a209b8b4186343deba9a259eb45e3285\u0022\u003EHon PHIL GOFF\u003C/span\u003E: Doug Woolerton was a member and an official of the National Party at one stage, but quickly abandoned that. He will remember how that coalition collapsed within 2 years. Tau Henare will remember it, as well. What we saw, with the collapse of that National \u2013 New Zealand First coalition, were the so-called waka-jumpers who left their party, including I have to say Alamein Kopu, who was elected on a position totally at odds with the National Party, who then swung her vote to support the Jenny Shipley Cabinet. That was the one that I heard Tau Henare, in Te Atat\u016B, swearing he would never sit with around the Cabinet table. I say to Tau Henare that there has been an amazing flexibility in his politics over time, but I welcome him back to the House anyway. The fact was that we learnt that that coalition broke down because of the inflexibility of the arrangements. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EI have been much quoted about mothers-in-law. I have to put on record that I was intensely fond of my mother-in-law. She died 2 years ago. She was a lovely person, and I put that on record. She lived with us in our house for a while. It produced some strains. We built a granny flat and we each had our own space. That granny flat enabled us to coexist quite well, and that is exactly what the arrangement is with New Zealand First. That party is bound to collective responsibility in the portfolio areas exercised by the Rt Hon Winston Peters, and it has the room to move in the other areas where New Zealand First and the Labour Party are different, and I say that quite emphatically. New Zealand First is different, but it has its own space. We will make this work, in the way that the National Party failed, twice, to make it work with Winston Peters. It threw him out of Cabinet twice. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EThis time we will make it work. And we will make work what the electorate delivered up to us. The electorate delivered up to us a situation where we did not have a clear majority, where this country needed the stability and the consistency that the last National Government failed to provide. We will deliver that to this country, and this country will be the better for it. I say, with great pride, that for 6 years a Labour-led Government has made the MMP system work, and a Labour-led Government has, without exception, delivered on every promise it made at the election. For 6 years after the National Party had let down the superannuitants\u2014it had promised to abolish the surtax, \u201Cno ifs, no buts, no maybes\u201D\u2014that promise was broken. [Interruption] Lockwood Smith draws my attention. Lockwood Smith stood on the platform with me at universities around the country, saying National would abolish student fees. Of course, National did not abolish them, it doubled them. This Labour-led Government has been true to its word. This Labour-led Government has produced the greatest increase in people\u2019s incomes, the best improvements in social services, and the best foreign policy that this country has ever seen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EIn the very short period of time that I have left I want to acknowledge the tremendous work done on New Zealand\u2019s behalf by the Special Air Services. I was at Whenuapai Airport at 4 o\u2019clock this morning to welcome them back to this country. They are a body of men and women who have provided truly competent, courageous, and professional service to our country. I am proud, as Minister of Defence, to represent and to have those people represent New Zealand in the work they have done, both to constrain the influence of al-Qaeda and the Taliban remnants in Afghanistan and to provide for the people of that country, who have suffered for more than two decades the effects of war and civil war, the prospect of a better future\u2014stability, development, and hopefully, prosperity. I refer to not only the SAS, but also the men and women who serve in our provincial reconstruction team in Bamian. We ought, as New Zealanders, to be proud of the work they have done. We ought to be proud of the fact that we acted within the multilateral context, under a UN mandate, to send our people to that country to provide security for the people of that country, and provide security for the international community.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EFinally, I pay tribute to those people and what they have done on our behalf, and I as Minister of Defence will be working hard to provide them with the resources to continue the good work that they are doing in places around the world.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022 data-id=\u00222f7c47d1a53446b194fc1e3cc6e5dba5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222f7c47d1a53446b194fc1e3cc6e5dba5\u0022\u003EJOHN HAYES (National\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Madam Speaker. I am mindful of the Standing Orders, which I am looking at. I see that Standing Order 107(2) does not allow tedious repetition. The points being made by the Minister have already been made by the Prime Minister earlier today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022 data-id=\u0022188d61d894df4bf59ce8e314c9084b4d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fae7af0d-c48d-4dd4-88f3-928ccaa3a984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022188d61d894df4bf59ce8e314c9084b4d\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Ann Hartley)\u003C/span\u003E: The member is quite wrong. That is not a point of order. The member was making a speech. That is not the ruling on repetition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022 data-id=\u002251c7063921b14f65bbb4e62af27a0eab\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002251c7063921b14f65bbb4e62af27a0eab\u0022\u003ECHRIS TREMAIN (National\u2014Napier):\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ETi-hei mauri or-a!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EWh\u0101ia te pae tawhiti kia tata,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EWh\u0101ia te pae tata. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EWhakamaua kia \u016B, kia t\u012B-na!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[Behold the sneeze of life!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EDraw the distant and not so distant horizon closer to you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EWhen that is achieved, grasp it firmly and permanently.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EThis M\u0101ori proverb commands us to reach for the horizon, for the stars, to bring them close, and to hold them tight. To aim for mediocrity is to limit the dreams of all New Zealanders. I believe that the current leaders of this nation have set the bar too low. They have aimed at mediocrity, and that is what they have achieved. More than anything else, I wish to bring to this House the courage for the Government to aim for the stars.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa! Me mihi ki Te Runga Rawa!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[Greetings to you all! Greetings as well to the Creator above!]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EMr Speaker, it is an honour and a privilege to stand here, in the Parliament of New Zealand, to speak to you in my maiden speech.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EKi te Whare P\u0101remata e t\u016B nei, ki a Papat\u016B\u0101nuku kei waho, t\u0113n\u0101 k\u014Drua!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[To Parliament House standing here and to Mother Earth outside, greetings to you two.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EI acknowledge this great House of Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ENg\u0101 mate o t\u0113n\u0101 iwi, o t\u0113n\u0101 iwi me mihia, me tangihia. He mihi ki a r\u0101tou. Ki a koe Rod Donald haere, haere, haere.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[I acknowledge the deaths of every iwi and mourn them. My condolences to them. And to you Rod Donald, take your leave, depart, farewell.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EIt is important that I acknowledge all those who have gone before me\u2014all those who have led New Zealand and who are no longer with us. They have each played a part in driving this country forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EKi ng\u0101 kaum\u0101tua t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. E ng\u0101 rangatira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[Greetings to you the elders and chiefs, greetings!]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EMr Speaker, I congratulate you on your appointment as Assistant Speaker. I say thank you to Don Brash for his achievement in leading the rejuvenation of the National Party. To Judy Kirk, Steven Joyce, and all the fantastic team at head office, I say thank you for their efforts. It has been a wonderful job.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EKi ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata o t\u0113nei P\u0101remata, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[To members of this Parliament, greetings to you all!]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ETo my new colleagues, I say I am looking forward to the challenges that lie ahead. They are indeed a talented group of people, each of whom has had to work extremely hard to get into this Parliament. I believe that we are a team that can take this country out of mediocrity and to the stars. To Craig Foss, I say that we made a great partnership in Hawke\u2019s Bay and I look forward to working together with him. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ENg\u0101 t\u0101ngata o Heretaunga, ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau, ng\u0101 hoa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[Greetings also to the people, families and friends of Hawke\u2019s Bay, greetings to you all!]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EAt this time I would like to pay tribute to my campaign team\u2014I see Tom Johnson up there in the gallery\u2014and to my electorate team. They had the courage to set a vision that many\u2014if not most, I would say\u2014said was impossible. To win the seat of Napier for National for the first time in 50 years was indeed a target somewhere on the horizon, if not in the stars. Nevertheless, we are now the 21st least marginal seat in the country. Without the team, we would never have achieved that feat, so I thank them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ETo Michael Cullen, one of my constituents, who is not in the House today\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf2913d9d4094cbb83a7ab5ecda7f790\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: It is customary and the convention not to refer to the absence of members. All members, at one stage or another, have to leave the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c9c3a21ef6643bcb8b3efaffb6a70de\u0022\u003ECHRIS TREMAIN\u003C/span\u003E: I say to Michael Cullen that I look forward to representing him as his electorate MP. I will be in my Napier office on Mondays and Fridays, and I tell him that if he ever feels like making an appointment to discuss Napier issues, I will look forward to it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EI say thank you very much to the people of Napier for having the faith to elect me as their MP, and I thank my friends and family for their immense support. I will never let them down. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EKo Aotearoa te k\u0101inga o taku wh\u0101nau m\u014D e rima ng\u0101 whakatipuranga. He nui taku aroha m\u014D Aotearoa ki te whenua, ng\u0101 one, ng\u0101 maunga, ng\u0101 roto. New Zealand has been the home of my family for five generations. My forefathers, like all other Kiwis, were migrants to this country. New Zealand is my home\u2014not England, Ireland, or some distant land that my ancestors departed from two centuries ago. My family and I have great respect and love for New Zealand and its beaches, plains, mountains, and lakes. I acknowledge the tangata whenua of Aotearoa, for I believe that I am tangata whenua\u2014a person of this land. I may not have M\u0101ori blood in me, but the spirit\u2014wairua\u2014of New Zealand is in me. To me, that is the very essence of being tangata whenua. It is not the mere fact of citizenship. If people still pine for their place of birth and the spirit of that country still flows through their veins, then they have not crossed the bridge to this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EI acknowledge M\u0101ori as the first tangata whenua. I acknowledge their beautiful language, te reo; their customs, ng\u0101 tikanga; and their treasures, ng\u0101 taonga. Although I am by no means fluent in te reo, I am learning M\u0101ori because I believe that it is the founding language of this country and that it should never be lost. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EI also acknowledge Te Tiriti o Waitangi as the founding document of this nation. It is the document that allowed people from other nations to become tangata whenua. The treaty conveyed a number of rights on the existing property owners, and in many cases those rights were not honoured. Historical grievances arising from that document must be settled fully, fairly, and finally, and we must work to a deadline. We must resource the Waitangi Tribunal properly so that it can meet that deadline. We must move on. I see no work as being more important in this country than that of settling those grievances. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EIn saying that, I believe that we need to move this nation beyond the Treaty. For the sake of M\u0101ori and all other people in this land, we must move on. We need to look forward in order to set a pathway for the future. Continuing to look back over our shoulder will do nothing but drive a wedge between our people. As Hone Harawira said before: tama t\u016B, tama ora; tama noho, tama mate! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[a lad on his feet is a survivor, an idle one is not!]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EIn the words of the great Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu proverb, it is time to stand and look forward, not to sit down and go backwards. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EAs a nation, we must reach for the horizon\u2014for the stars. I believe that in the past we have set the bar too low. We breed a nation of winners\u2014a nation that expects its athletes to be world champions, our artists to be globally recognised, and our academics to be equal to, if not better than, the best in the world. Yet we accept a Government that aims for mediocrity. When our athletes compete at the Olympic Games, we expect them to win. We, a nation of 4 million people, expect to go out against all odds and win gold medals against nations that are 10, 50, and 100 times our size. We set targets that other countries would only dream of, and on many occasions we deliver. In both our sporting and artistic endeavours, we reach for the stars, and more often than not, we make it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EI ask, then, why the Labour-led Government\u2019s stated goal for this nation in terms of GDP per capita\u2014for prosperity per citizen\u2014is limited to getting us into the top half of the OECD countries. How can that be? Here we are, a nation of winners whose target is only to get into the top half. It is like Hawke\u2019s Bay\u2019s Caroline and Georgina Evers-Swindell aiming to make the repechage at the next world championships. It is like Greg Murphy aiming to drive to 20th place at Bathurst. Guess what? Although GDP mediocrity is our Government\u2019s target, we are not even successful at reaching that. Currently as a nation we sit in the bottom half of the OECD countries\u2014in 21st place out of 30 countries. Our GDP per capita sits at just US$23,200, well behind Australia\u2019s at US$30,100 and even further behind the United States\u2019 at US$37,600. Quite frankly, that is not good enough. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EWhat is worse is that we in this country\u2014and I, in particular\u2014hate playing second fiddle to Australia. Yet we sit here and wonder why so many Kiwis\u2014so many tangata whenua\u2014are leaving this nation. In the year ended June 2005, net departures to Australia were 19,277. The Labour - New Zealand First solution is an advertising campaign and a flawed student loan scheme. Let me tell members that those initiatives will not work. People do not need an advertising campaign to convince them to come back here\u2014they already love this country. They need better incomes and a better standard of living. Until we are prepared to set a path to take this country to the top of the OECD, we will continue to languish in terms of living standards and prosperity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EWe need a culture shift in the Government. We need the courage to reach for the stars. I accept that those types of goals take years\u2014even decades. I accept that they require solutions that will challenge many in this nation. But while we shoot for mediocrity, and while our stated goal is to get only into the top half of the OECD, can we guess at what we can expect to achieve? As Napier\u2019s MP, I will work hard to engender a spirit that gives us the courage to set big goals and lofty targets for our country. Accepting mediocrity for New Zealand is just not an option. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EKo Heretaunga t\u014Dku whenua. Ko \u014Ct\u0101tara t\u014Dku maunga. Ko T\u016Btaekur\u012B t\u014Dku awa. N\u014D \u014Ct\u0101tara ahau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[Hawke\u2019s Bay is my region. \u014Ct\u0101tara is my mountain. T\u016Btaekur\u012B is my river. I am from \u014Ct\u0101tara.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EI am a Hawke\u2019s Bay boy. I grew up under the \u014Ct\u0101tara hills and beside the T\u016Btaekur\u012B River in the Napier suburb of Taradale. I am proud to call Napier home. It is important that my parliamentary colleagues understand from day one that Hawke\u2019s Bay is undoubtedly the best province in New Zealand. My vision for Hawke\u2019s Bay and for Napier is simple. It is not about mediocrity. It is about reaching for the stars and being the best we can possibly be in terms of lifestyle choices, active living, health, safety, and prosperity. Our councils are already doing a fantastic job of developing lifestyle choices and active living. Sport Hawke\u2019s Bay is also well down the path to taking Hawke\u2019s Bay towards being the most active province in New Zealand. However, I have three areas of particular concern. Our health statistics are currently below par, and we do not have enough police on the streets. We are also losing too many businesses to other parts of the nation and to overseas. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EThe closure of Napier Hospital has been the cause of past angst in my community. If we are to improve the health statistics across our community, we must put that behind us. We must support our regional hospital to carry out major surgery and to get high-priced capital equipment. However, it is important that we stand up to ensure that Napier is not gradually wiped off the public health services map by the abolition or merger of further services. The district health board has made a significant commitment to Napier through the Napier Health Centre on Wellesley Street. Whether the current centre is well placed or good value for money are still debatable points. That aside, it is critical that Napier retains its own health facility, with an improving level of community health services, not a diminishing one. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EThroughout my campaign I stated the urgent need for additional front-line police. Suburbs such as Maraenui need to have full-time community policing, not a part-time commitment. I am heartened by the New Zealand First - Labour coalition agreement to put an additional 1,000 police into the community, and I will be working hard to ensure that Napier gets its proportional fair share. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EAdditional to that, the region needs to understand that new and existing businesses are the lifeblood of the local economy. We must develop a strategy that relentlessly attracts new businesses to the bay and retains them on a long-term basis. That involves a combination of town planning, the development of key infrastructure, and a focus on key business clusters. Building the depth of businesses will increase the robustness of our economy and grow the prosperity of our people. We must also fight for our existing industries, in particular our apple industry. The access to Australia issue is one that Craig Foss and I will continue to battle for. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EPart of growing Napier and Hawke\u2019s Bay is continued investment in regional infrastructure. I call on my parliamentary colleagues across the floor, Michael Cullen and Russell Fairbrother, to help to ensure that the long-overdue Meeanee Interchange proceeds immediately and that Government ownership in our regional airport is offered for sale to local authorities, so that our community can make decisions about the destiny of that most important asset. Hawke\u2019s Bay is where my heart is. It is my home and I will do all that I can to take it forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EKo Kelvin Tremain t\u014Dku p\u0101p\u0101, he tangata rongonui, he All Black. Ko Pam Tremain t\u014Dku m\u0101m\u0101. He tino kaha t\u014Dku whaea.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[Kelvin Tremain, a famous All Black, is my dad. My mum is Pam Tremain, a very courageous mother indeed.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EI wish only that my father, Kelvin Tremain, were able to see me here in Parliament today. He was a great man, he tangata rongonui, who died too early while still having much to offer. He taught me that every person is equal and deserving of a smile. To my mother, Pamela, who cannot be here today, I say she taught me the importance of values, of setting high standards, and of reaching for the sky. I love them both. I also acknowledge my mother-in-law and father-in-law, Trevor and Jeanette Jurgens, who are in the gallery today, and thank them for all their support. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EKo Angela t\u014Dku wahine, ko ia te kaitautoko tino kaha. Ko Samuel r\u0101tou ko William, ko Millie aku tamariki. Ko Simon r\u0101ua ko Mark aku taina. He nui taku aroha m\u014D taku wh\u0101nau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[My wife is Angela, my strongest supporter. Samuel, William, and Millie are my children. Simon and Mark are my younger brothers. I have much love for my family.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ETo Angela, my wife, I say she is my greatest supporter and I love her. She has taught me spirituality and that there is much else in the world other than the relentless pursuit of financial gain. To my children, Sam, Will, and Lily, to my brothers, Simon and Mark, and to their partners, Hettie and Jan, I say I am here for those guys, and I want them to know that I love them as well. There is nothing more important in life than family. For me, it is more important than the pursuit of lofty goals. It is more important than this House and its members, and I am afraid, as a nation, that we have lost sight of that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EWe expect our sportspeople, our artists, and our academics to aim for the sky and to be the best they can be. We must expect our Government to set high targets and to have the courage to pursue them on behalf of the people of this country. Mediocrity has no place in New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EAku mihi ki a koutou. Kia tau te rangim\u0101rie ki a t\u0101tou katoa. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[My appreciation to you collectively. Let peace prevail over us all. Greetings, greetings, and greetings to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022 data-id=\u00220a6955c4ce674687831942a8c97038b2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220a6955c4ce674687831942a8c97038b2\u0022\u003EDARREN HUGHES (Labour\u2014Otaki):\u003C/span\u003E I begin by paying my respects to the Governor-General of New Zealand, Her Excellency the Hon Dame Silvia Cartwright. I congratulate Madam Speaker, the Hon Margaret Wilson, on her re-election unanimously to that post, the Hon Clem Simich, our Deputy Speaker, you, Mr Assistant Speaker, and Assistant Speaker Ann Hartley. I congratulate the new members of Parliament who have joined this House, and also the mover and the seconder of the Address in Reply debate, Shane Jones and Sue Moroney, on their speeches. I record my sympathies to the Green Party on the death of Rod Donald, whom I worked with in my role as a Government whip while he was the Green Party musterer. I also extend my congratulations to Prime Minister Helen Clark. As has been stated through this debate, Helen Clark has become the only leader in Labour Party history to be elected Prime Minister three times\u2014a very significant achievement, particularly, I think, in an MMP Parliament where she has had to run minority Governments. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EI thank the Otaki electorate for once again choosing me as its local representative.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002282fe80fac0e74837b0295e5e2de2d8df\u0022\u003ERodney Hide\u003C/span\u003E: Only just!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002248d37218f3524319bb12e70d91701b0e\u0022\u003EDARREN HUGHES\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, but they still chose me. As the National Party is finding out at the moment, to its enormous discomfort, a win is a win, and I am pleased that the people of the Otaki electorate have sent me here for one more term. I know that that will continue for many years, because they appreciate hard work. It is a privilege to represent the local community of Horowhenua and Kapiti. I give it everything that I have, and I am looking forward to another term in the seat.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E I have bad news for the National Party in that regard. [Interruption] I hear Mr John Key calling out. It is amazing the confidence one gets from receiving 5 percent in an opinion poll, after an election! It is extraordinary stuff. It is fantastic. It is a kind of \u201Ckiss of death\u201D to get only 5 percent, to just cross the threshold in an opinion poll taken after an election, when it does not count, because it means that everybody else who sits around knows that in order to get to that job they will have to knife John Key. So John Key might have got five people out of 1,000 around the country to say he is all right, but in actual fact all his caucus\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d86fadd8e1348b495c373fbae682e20\u0022\u003ERodney Hide\u003C/span\u003E: Five out of a hundred.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c0ee5554f1f432bae18792a13b71aab\u0022\u003EDARREN HUGHES\u003C/span\u003E: In fairness, five out of a hundred, but I tell him that he will not get any support from the 48 who sit on the National side of the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EThe Speech from the Throne set out the Government\u2019s priorities. Quite clearly they are about maintaining a strong economy, which over the last 6 years has delivered to this country record numbers of people in work, the creation of over a quarter of a million new jobs, real shifts in the minimum wage, which have delivered gains to working people throughout the community\u2014all of which have been opposed by National at every step of the way\u2014and a commitment in this term to try to raise productivity and skills training in order to keep the economy growing, so we can get economic growth and gains for people right across the community. In doing that we are trying to make sure that people in the cities and in the regions\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d48244fc-ceef-4ef5-9cee-851e4d439468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a2beb230d00d4b4e8e0160efcc28e702\u0022\u003EDr Don Brash\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s 6 years too late.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002250e8d2a5dc8147bf93172998ae0449b1\u0022\u003EDARREN HUGHES\u003C/span\u003E: I am being interjected on by Don Brash. What is he saying? Is he talking about his age? [Interruption] I know the member had a birthday recently, but if he is going to interject, he ought to make it pithy and to the point. I will give him another go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d48244fc-ceef-4ef5-9cee-851e4d439468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d195aa836b8c41d688dddb8915bd35f4\u0022\u003EDr Don Brash\u003C/span\u003E: Labour squandered 5 years of good export prices.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f34c07cd933347da9795a4a5ff6d31b7\u0022\u003EDARREN HUGHES\u003C/span\u003E: We have not squandered a thing. We have had 6 years of a growing economy, and just last week unemployment fell not only to the lowest level in the world, once again, but to the lowest level on record in New Zealand\u2014so only 3.4 percent of the workforce is now unemployed. We have more jobs and more working-age people off benefits, yet can we guess what that member, who believes in a natural rate of unemployment, comes in here and criticises the Labour Government for? He criticises us for creating jobs, and for putting more mums and dads into work. I would have thought the temporary leader of the National Party would support a stable labour market, so he could keep the job he has right now instead of criticising us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EI turn to another topic in the Speech from the Throne, which I think Dr Brash will be interested in: health care, particularly for older New Zealanders. The Government is proposing more operations for cataracts and in the area of orthopaedic surgery, such as hip and knee replacements, because those are areas in elective surgery where clearly we have to improve what we are able to do for ordinary New Zealanders in the public health system. I know that John Key is a strong supporter of the public health system, and when my electorate gets those gains from the MidCentral District Health Board and the Capital and Coast District Health Board, I know they will thank the Labour Government for it. Those people knew, when we won the party vote in that seat, that a tax cut would mean reduced health services. So they were keen to make sure we were able to boost our hospitals. I see the member for East Coast shaking her head. I ask her how many cataract operations she does not want out of the Crown revenue mentioned in the Speech from the Throne.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222223cb89af5a465d834220defa63b6b9\u0022\u003EAnne Tolley\u003C/span\u003E: A lot more than you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a06f9813cb14963bd930b67eea311eb\u0022\u003EDARREN HUGHES\u003C/span\u003E: So we have to spend more and tax less. That is voodoo economics. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EIn the area of education, we have brought in a very successful student loan policy. National has used exactly the same arguments in opposing the student loan policy as it used 6 years ago, and it was wrong about that, as well. National opposed the policy that when one is studying, one should not pay interest. So National Party members\u2014a very hard-working team, working into the wee hours of the afternoon\u2014got their research unit to find the exact Hansard back in 2000, and they trotted in here last week to oppose interest-free student loans for New Zealand - based graduates and students. I hope they continue to oppose that policy. I hope they continue to go all around New Zealand saying they are against it, because the previous speaker complained about Kiwis leaving New Zealand. A lot of young people go overseas to earn money, to earn pounds in Britain, to pay off their student loans, and the National Party, of course, says that is a crying shame. But then the National members came into Parliament and voted against a policy on student loans. I just hope they keep on doing that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EThe other thing on our pledge card, of course, was around the apprenticeship scheme. We are pledging 5,000 more apprentices this term. All those policies have been opposed by National, which voted against the Modern Apprenticeships legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022292337cbf0684cd1928006aeaa2981b3\u0022\u003EJohn Key\u003C/span\u003E: They did not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4cd68932ca442b3bb9c8a1438eb6af2\u0022\u003EDARREN HUGHES\u003C/span\u003E: That comes as a bit of a surprise to the finance spokesman, because he was not in Parliament then. The National members actually went out into the Noes lobby against that legislation. It was very good legislation that is lifting the skills training for young people and giving them a chance in New Zealand. It was opposed by the Brash-led National Party. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EThen, in terms of police numbers, we have 1,000 extra police by way of our agreement on supply and confidence with New Zealand First. We have a rates rebate coming through for those on low incomes\u2014particularly pensioners\u2014to help them pay their bills. We are going to move on the over-80s drivers\u2019 regime, which has been very unfair to constituents of mine, and I am very keen to see that test removed and replaced with a much fairer regime as soon as we are able. And, of course, I mentioned that we have a big focus on jobs in order to make sure that we keep on growing a strong economy, because what other point is there for a Labour Government than to make sure there are jobs, and well-paying jobs, for working people? To that extent we are going to try to move the minimum wage to $12 by the end of this term. That also will be opposed by the National Party, and I hope that it will make an effort on that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EOn the transport front, the Government is trying very hard to address the infrastructure issues that our country faces. Throughout the 1990s, of course, there was very little infrastructure investment made, and this Government has come in and tried to invest more into that area. I am very hopeful that we will get a much-improved access from the Kapiti coast into Wellington. I am very keen that passenger transport is included as part of that package to make sure that we can, through electrification and more regular services, ensure that public transport is a real option, as well as major roading improvements. I personally would like to see Transmission Gully built, but our region has to work together to make sure we can have that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EWe have an invitation from three National Party list MPs in the Wellington region, by way of page 3 of the Dominion Post\u2014that is how they contacted us\u2014to ask us to join their crusade. Well, of course we are going to keep on working with what we are already doing to get gains for the Wellington region in transport, and will not listen to those political opportunists. Mr Blumsky, who was the Mayor of Wellington at one stage\u2014what more powerful position could he have held than Mayor of Wellington\u2014opposed Transmission Gully. He did not say one thing in favour of Transmission Gully as Mayor of Wellington, and he comes in as a back-bench Opposition list MP and says \u201CPlease join my group.\u201D Mr Guy joined the campaign for Transmission Gully about 4 weeks before the election, so bold was his stance on the issue. Of course, Chris Finlayson, who kind of had a regal coronation campaign in Mana, where he wandered around saying; \u201CHello, I\u2019m from the Tory party; I\u2019ll be in Parliament.\u201D, has decided that despite saying nothing during the election at all, basically, he is now in favour of Transmission Gully. I think we will get on with it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EThe other point I want to make about that party over there on the Opposition benches is that it went through the election campaigning as a sort of early 19th century party. It has been extraordinary to listen to the National Party MPs give maiden speeches full of te reo M\u0101ori, which I think is a fantastic use of that language in the House. But, of course, not one of them went around their electorates during the campaign talking like that. They talked about the \u201Cmainstream\u201D and said that the Labour Party supporters were not part of that. Tau Henare\u2019s cloth cap from his union days must be absolutely curling in the wardrobe, after Tau Henare listened to those National Party MPs talk about diversity, opportunity, and coming together in inclusion, when they ran a campaign as divided as one could get. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EBut I will tell the National Party members this. For all their boasting and cockiness in this Parliament in the last 2 weeks, they have missed one point: all the election did was to reorganise the Opposition. We saw the $7 billion tax bribe, and we saw them playing the race card, and getting their cult members from the Exclusive Brethren Church to run the campaign at half-time for them. All it did for the National Party was to reorganise the Opposition. It did nothing to take away votes from Labour. The election was a total disaster for National members. They first realised it when they came into the House for the swearing-in. They had been sitting in their caucus room congratulating one another on the size of the new caucus, but they walked in here on the first day and suddenly realised: \u201CHey, there\u2019s still more of them than us, and look where we are sitting\u2014in the Opposition, where we belong, and looking at the third term Helen Clark led-Labour Party. That has made that man someone who is soon to join the pension queue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022 data-id=\u0022d83af78b085f49129c3c917725a717a1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d83af78b085f49129c3c917725a717a1\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National):\u003C/span\u003E I will begin by offering my congratulations, through you, Mr Assistant Speaker, if I may, to Madam Speaker on her election, and on your being elected, and the election of the Deputy Speaker and the other Assistant Speaker. For my part I shall endeavour to be the least of your worries. I will ensure that my Celtic capacity for conflict and criticism comes to the fore only in the service of others, in search of the truth, in defence of good government, and to further the principles, priorities, and practices of the National Party that I am proud to be part of. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EI, for one, harbour no illusions about the regard in which politicians, collectively, are held by the wider community\u2014to profess altruistic motives and the desire to make the country a better place is to invite the response \u201CYeah, right!\u201D from the great bulk of the population. Yet that is actually why I stood for Parliament\u2014to help create a better place. I am sure it is the same for the great majority of members. Mind you, every now and again one gets a lift when one least expects it. Ten days ago I was down at the Christchurch A and P show helping to meet and greet the crowds of people who were flocking to the National Party marquee. The pressure of work was constant, but luckily we had drafted in a good number of MPs so we were able to take an occasional break. Forgetting I was wearing a huge National Party blue rosette, I strolled into the cattle exhibit shed, only to hear a small boy ask his mum: \u201CGosh, what did he get that prize for?\u201D. I assured him it was for being a National Party politician.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EMy political interests as a National list MP are particularly focused on the West Coast and Tasman regions. A short biographical note is appropriate here. The name requires some explanation. Auchinvole is a three-syllable Scottish name of Gaelic origin from Kilsythe, between Glasgow and Edinburgh. I note the Standing Orders specify only English and M\u0101ori as permitted languages in the House, so, unlike my friend M\u0101ori Party co-leader Pita Sharples, I am not able to speak to members in the language of my ancestors, which would be Gaelic or Lallans, so I willna be daen that the noo the nacht. I have lost my strong Scottish accent, but not the Scottish characteristics of thrift. When I was advised by my parliamentary secretary\u2014bless her, who also happens to be Scottish\u2014that the Backbencher Pub and Cafe had kindly sent a bottle of beer as a welcoming gift, my immediate response was: \u201CThat\u2019s nice. If you could put it in the fridge, we\u2019ll keep it for when we have a crowd in.\u201D I will apply the same qualities to examining Government expenditure as the chance occurs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EIf my English pronunciation suggests to some of you lairds, castles, and a silver spoon in life, you could not be wronger. My father was an RAF squadron leader, who died soon after the close of the Second World War, essentially as a consequence of his participation in it. My mother found herself bringing up five children under 13 in post-war Glasgow. I have a sharp memory of being brought up on a benefit. It is not a nice state, and it is not, to my mind, for the State to suggest benefits are nice; life-providing and essential, yes. I will always remember my first Saturday morning job that I got paid for\u2014paid for something I did. Like many Scots at the time, we moved to England when I was about 10, and our mother unfortunately contracted tuberculosis, which isolated her in a hospital for 3 years. We became wards of the State, and the RAF Benevolent Fund very kindly helped out, and gave me the same sort of chance that Shane Jones mentioned he had\u2014paying for me to go to a boarding school. After my mother had returned to good health the RAF fund continued to pay the school fees to allow me to complete my education at the school. I went from there into the army, and was selected for Sandhurst, where we wore hat badges that carried the motto \u201CServe to Lead\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EOn leaving that renowned moulder of men, I moved to New Zealand to reunite with two of my brothers who had emigrated to this country, and we went contract milking in Whangarei. I found New Zealand refreshingly egalitarian. My brothers purchased a farm in Hokianga, and I worked at Northland College in Kaikohe as assistant farm manager. Kaikohe was populated predominantly by M\u0101ori people, and I was provided with a total introduction into life and local society in Tai Tokerau. It was moving recently to receive tributes and congratulations from people in Kaikohe and Hokianga, even though I have not lived there for 30 years. I also met my wife in Kaikohe, where she was completing country service as a teacher from the West Coast of the South Island.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EOnce I was married, an agricultural career path led me into marketing with the Dairy Board in Christchurch, Wellington, and Auckland respectively. I had responsibility for the South Pacific operation, regularly visiting South Pacific countries. I revelled in the chance to export New Zealand primary products and the opportunity to work with so many people of different ethnic origins. In 1992 I started into primary product exporting on my own, mostly fish, fruit, and timber products. When our two children completed their education Elspeth and I asked permission to leave home. We moved down to Moana at Lake Brunner on the West Coast 9 years ago, an emigration not unrelated to the fact that my wife is a Coaster, who wished to complete her teaching career where it had begun\u2014equipping Coast children with education.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E Living and settling on the Coast took me right back to egalitarian Glasgow. There is a humour and a neighbourliness that is special to the region; an inclusiveness that sees one joining the fire brigade, working on community associations, taking an active part in church life, and enjoying a good yarn with one\u2019s neighbours. In my mind it is as close as one can get to a classless society, and it is a great place to live. I stood as a trustee for the West Coast Development Trust after the Forest Accord was broken, and was given the second-highest vote in our region. I had concerns that the trust was an imposed solution and needed Coast ownership, not someone somewhere else telling us what was best for us. M\u0101ori members of this House will be aware of that discomforting and emasculating sentiment\u2014but more of that later. Over the same period Ng\u0101i Tahu have been demonstrating their ability to become an economic force in their own right. Although the initial granting of funds in both cases was the kicker, it was the will and the ability to take it up and run with it that has been the significant event. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EBenjamin Disraeli, known as the father of conservatism, aptly said: \u201CThe greatest good you can do for another is not just share your riches, but reveal to them their own.\u201D That is why, I guess, I embrace the National Party philosophy enunciated by Don Brash in the campaign. It works. That is why I believe in less government, and find the move towards more regulation and more proposals for distribution of wealth by stealth stifling and counter-productive to a region\u2019s well-being. I sometimes wonder whether those whose careers have essentially\u2014and I hasten to add, quite properly\u2014involved the distribution of wealth, rather than its creation, tend to take the latter process for granted. I am not an economist, and I do not pretend to be. I have no desire to be known as a smart alec or a smart anything else, but I unashamedly support the National Party philosophies and policies espoused and enunciated by John Key, and I look forward to continuing to do so. To grab tax at the front end, especially when one considers the carbon tax proposal, is not just revenue gathering, it is plunder. No Government can act as a robber baron, yet expect productive sectors to develop.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EIf we look at the West Coast, we see that the drivers are farming, mining, and tourism. I note that Landcorp has commenced selling some of the Coast\u2019s Government-owned farms. It should sell more of them. The Government should also accelerate replacing the strategic Arahura Road-Rail Bridge. That would help farming a lot, if only to ease the anxiety currently surrounding that bridge. Modern mining is taking the Coast into a new era. Tourism is an industry that is going to grow. The local infrastructure, though, will not cope if left as it is, particularly with the added impetus of the Rugby World Cup. Eighty-seven percent of the region is enclosed in the Department of Conservation estate. We need more than a draft plan of conservation, and we need the Act to allow more discretion to the Minister in managing the estate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EIn Tasman, the drivers are fruit, fishing, forestry, and Fonterra. With fruit, apple trees are being lifted out of the ground at the same time as orchardists are gathering in Wellington to seek Government action on access to the Australian market. Fishing boats are tied up\u2014a combination of fuel costs, exchange rates, and quota are limiting the profitable opportunities. In forestry, poles and posts are moving OK because of the growth in vineyards, but logs and timber sales are suffering from unrestricted cheap imported timbers. Fonterra, with the unfortunate fire at T\u0101kaka, has reduced its staff from 90 to somewhere around 30. Personal and business tax reductions in Tasman would be a boost to the local economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003ESo, what as a National list MP am I going to do for West Coast - Tasman? I intend to concentrate on the associate roles I have been given of energy (mining) and tourism, and on working as a member of the National caucus primary production committee. As a start, I will later be seeking leave to table a member\u2019s bill\u2014the Conservation (Net Gain) Amendment Bill, in the name of Chris Auchinvole, will give the Minister and local conservation boards more flexibility in disposing of stewardship land in exchange for land of greater conservation value. It will be put in the ballot on 8 December.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EI wish to pay tribute to all those who assisted me during the election campaign: electorate chair Margaret Moir, who won the seat for National in 1990, and who is present in the House today, plus key strategists and mentors Barry and Jane. I pay tribute to those who worked so tirelessly in the branches in Hokitika, Greymouth, Westport, Motueka, and T\u0101kaka, particularly Bill and Violet, Dan and Diane, Bryan and Margaret, Hilda and Ivan, Colin, Mike, Elizabeth, and Jack, and\u2014bless her\u2014my wife, Elspeth. I am grateful for the help and encouragement from Nick Smith and team. To Neil Walker, from H\u0101wera, I say thanks. From the other side of the hill, help literally came to the party and I am indebted to deputy leader Gerry Brownlee for leading the Blackball debate as the campaign opener, and to all who came over to help. To Roger Bridge, the regional chair, to his regional council, to the list committee, to the team at HQ, and to Judy Kirk, party president, I say: awesome, gosh, thanks, next time!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EFor me the election was a continuum of the campaign, which has not stopped. I read a very perceptive article in a recent North and South magazine that I thought gave a carefully crafted analysis of the results. \u201CA majority is always better than the best repartee\u201D, as Disraeli said, but I think of the apt quote from the epitaph of Rob Roy McGregor that summarises a thousand years of Scottish history\u2014best described as a thousand-year brawl\u2014\u201CLet them tak\u2019 who have the pow\u2019r, and let them keep it who can.\u201D I think it is yet to be tested as to who holds the power and whether it will be kept. The Duke of Wellington said, after Waterloo: \u201C Next to a battle lost, the greatest misery is a battle won.\u201D I do not think that National is in a heavy loss situation. National has doubled its troops in the House and, similarly, in electorates with staff and offices.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EPolicies continue to find increasing institutional and public support. It is great to be part of a skilled, fresh, and vibrant parliamentary team, with enough multi-level leadership transition potential for the next two decades. National is equipped to serve the country as never before, and I am deeply grateful for the chance to be part of it. Every day National grows stronger, and it is reflected in our voices, minds, and spirits every morning. Every day the other side grows weaker, and we see it, hear it, and sense it every morning. It was Churchill who said to practise magnanimity in victory and defiance in defeat. National is practising magnanimity, and the other side is being defiant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EThe present Government avoided defeat at the hustings. There are others who benefited from the spoils of war, and others still who, it could be said. engaged in looting. That is a capital offence in battle, and could still prove to be so in politics. Others stood true to their colours, were ignored in the spoils completely, and must be starting to wonder what they fought so hard for. For me, and it is a personal view, the troops who had a notable victory were a small unit that arose from the ashes of previous disappointment and grief with the Labour Government, who came forward with hope as their main argument, and who had to go to battle in a taxi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EI wish to salute the address given by Pita Sharples, and his call for conciliation and a sharing of cultural values. I heard a speech from the heart when I listened to him but, then, Scots and M\u0101oris both believe in oral tradition. It was as if he were singing a song from previous generations echoing through the centuries. It caused an echo in my Celtic heart too, for Scottish crofters also lost their lands in the Highland clearances. The Irish had to cope with famine. The Scots lost their language and their right to independence. Thank God we could come here, but\u2014hello\u2014it all happened again. Closer to home and to modern times, the people of the West Coast have had to tolerate decades of an imposed stereotype of welfare dependency, unemployment, and being undervalued as a region and as a people. Continued welfare did not change that any more than continued welfare will change the situation for M\u0101ori. Attitude, determination, opportunity, commodity prices, improved productivity, new people moving in, and improved education have changed that on the Coast. To me, the M\u0101ori renaissance is at a fascinating stage, and is full of complex choices for M\u0101ori people. How will they know when it has worked for young M\u0101ori? May I suggest it will be in the same way it worked in Scotland\u2014which was when the young Scots believed they had succeeded because they were Scottish, not in spite of it. I welcome the day when that happens here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EIn conclusion, I say that people\u2014all people, all ethnicities\u2014have to be included as any part of any solution, and not as the problem. I answer the song of Sharples with a prayer of my own, a Presbyterian prayer. My prayer is that those of us with like minds in this House can pick up the tattered banner of one nation with shared cultural values\u2014pick it up with our hands whatever age, gender, and ethnicity each of our human bodies glories in. And, having picked it up, we can hold up the banner with our minds\u2014arguing, bickering, and debating as we do so until we start agreeing. If we can do that, then the banner can be restitched, restored, and made resplendent by our spirits. If we can do that, the banner of one nation can be unfurled by the warm breath of our various gods, sent to caress our souls\u2014and to God be the glory for aye and for aye, e faa vau e faa vau lava, atua uata, \u0101ke \u0101ke, for ever and ever, \u0101mene. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279f87abf-aaab-44ff-96db-2e33d763670a\u0022 data-id=\u002241fde6cb9a2949ebb68b9125edcf35ef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279f87abf-aaab-44ff-96db-2e33d763670a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002241fde6cb9a2949ebb68b9125edcf35ef\u0022\u003EHon WINNIE LABAN (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector): \u003C/span\u003EKia ora, talofa lava, and warm Pacific greetings. I offer my best wishes to our Governor-General and my congratulations to Madam Speaker, to the Deputy Speaker, to you Mr Assistant Speaker, and to the other Assistant Speaker on your appointments, and to all who have the privilege of serving New Zealand in this House. I thank the Mana electorate for electing me as its member of Parliament and I also thank New Zealand for ensuring that we continue to have a Labour-led Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279f87abf-aaab-44ff-96db-2e33d763670a\u0022\u003EI am very excited about my ministerial portfolios, because they link the social and economic development of New Zealand. As Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector and Associate Minister for Economic Development, I have a role in strengthening the roles of the Government and the community in building social capital. As Associate Minister for Social Development and Employment, I have a particular role in supporting the New Zealand Pacific Business Council and similar organisations to build financial capital by encouraging two-way trade between New Zealand and the Pacific. As Associate Minister of Pacific Island Affairs, I have a role in strengthening opportunities for Pacific people to participate in the future of New Zealand. Each of my portfolios contributes to the social and economic development of New Zealand. One of my goals as the Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector is to see that a higher priority is given to the contribution made by the community and voluntary sector to the quality of life for all New Zealanders. This Government has made economic development a priority and, in the Speech from the Throne and the contributions from the Prime Minister, the Minister of Finance, and the Minister for Economic Development, the details of how we plan to build the economy have been set out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279f87abf-aaab-44ff-96db-2e33d763670a\u0022\u003EI will talk a little about how we strengthen social capital and the role of civil society in the development of our nation. The community and voluntary sector is a significant driver of social development. It is important because it builds social capital. The term \u201Ccivil society\u201D is often used to describe the community and voluntary sector. What do we mean by civil society? Civil society can be defined as a social sphere of formal and informal voluntary associations formed to protect and promote the interests of society. Civil society is separate from, and independent of, the State and the market. Civil society includes service clubs, sporting clubs, non-governmental organisations, neighbourhood groups, church and faith-based groups, and traditional and cultural communities. New Zealand has a rich tradition of civil society organisations. The M\u0101ori Women\u2019s Welfare League, Pasifika the Pacific Women\u2019s Organisation, the Country Women\u2019s Institutes, the Women\u2019s Refuge collective, and Rape Crisis centres have all made very important contributions to the development of the women of our nation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279f87abf-aaab-44ff-96db-2e33d763670a\u0022\u003EAllan Wolfe, a Canadian social scientist, captures the diverse nature of civil society, contrasting it with the abstract and personal institutions of the State and the market. Civil society\u2019s concern is with the social rather than the economic and political. Civil society points towards families, neighbourhoods, voluntary organisations, unions, and spontaneous grassroots movements. All of those units of social organisations are defined by the fact that they are surrounded by even bigger and more abstract institutions. The crucial characteristic of civil society is that it is manageable, available to ordinary people, and part of everyday life. To talk of civil society is to reverse the priorities of the political economy. It is to assert that human beings and their desires can alter otherwise determinant structures.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279f87abf-aaab-44ff-96db-2e33d763670a\u0022\u003EWe look to business and the market to invest and develop financial capital, and the State has a role in regulating the economy. But social capital is built up within civil society\u2014within our communities\u2014where voluntary effort, freely given, enhances our quality of life and makes our communities, our towns, and our cities better places for us to live. The State, in the form of Government agencies dedicated to the community and voluntary sector, has an important role to play. Civil society sits alongside the State\u2014the Government\u2014and the market\u2014the business community\u2014as the three main building blocks of a society and a nation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279f87abf-aaab-44ff-96db-2e33d763670a\u0022\u003EIn her contribution to the debate, the Prime Minister said that we dedicate ourselves to building a strong and confident nation, proud of the cohesion in our society, proud of our achievers in every field, proud of our unique culture, heritage, and natural environment, and proud of the role our nation plays in world affairs. The State, the market, and civil society need, in my view, to work closely together, respecting each other\u2019s distinct roles. A good example of how the State, the market, and civil society can work well together was seen when the New Zealand Rugby Union won the hosting rights for the Rugby World Cup. A sporting association\u2014the New Zealand Rugby Union\u2014with solid business links with sponsors and support from the Government, in the form of the Prime Minister, carried the day. We have learnt in the past that the market by itself does not build a good society, and the State cannot, either. We need the State, the market, and civil society working well together in order to build the economic and social development of our nation and to build a strong, inclusive nation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279f87abf-aaab-44ff-96db-2e33d763670a\u0022\u003EHelen Clark said last week that we see it as our historic duty to bring New Zealanders together, not to drive them apart and split our society. We see it as our historic duty to ensure that every New Zealander has a fair go, opportunity, and security, and that as our country grows and develops, every one of us is able to share the fruits of that progress. We dedicate ourselves in this third term of Government to carrying on our work, to strengthening and transforming the economy, to raise living standards, and to provide quality public services.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279f87abf-aaab-44ff-96db-2e33d763670a\u0022\u003EI would like now to talk about the contribution of volunteers towards building social capital. On Saturday I spoke with the New Zealand network of regional volunteer centres, a great group of hard workers. Volunteering is an important and essential element of civil society. Our communities depend and rely on the efforts of our volunteers. The impact is quite simply huge. But, unfortunately, volunteers do not receive the recognition they deserve. I want to change that. I believe my role is to raise the bar and to promote volunteering as part of our Kiwi way of life. I will be seeking from my officials innovative ways in which we can support the voluntary sector. Trends in volunteering show that a higher proportion of females than males aged 15 and over engage in some form of voluntary work. From my long history of working in the community and voluntary sector, that has certainly been my experience.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279f87abf-aaab-44ff-96db-2e33d763670a\u0022\u003ESo what is the Government doing so far? The Government policy on volunteering released in December 2002 recognised that volunteers make a vital contribution to social development, the economy, and the environment. The outcome sought from the policy is a society with a high level of volunteering, where the many contributions people make to the common good through volunteering and fulfilment of cultural obligations are actively supported and valued. Many of New Zealand\u2019s essential emergency services, including civil defence, fire and ambulance, conservation, and teaching English as a second language, contribute in this way. Last year the Minister for Sport and Recreation recognised volunteers as the unsung heroes and lifeblood of sport, and he announced funding of $6.5 million to support their work over the next 4 years. I add that, with the voluntary sector, we have nine established regional volunteer centres, and we are very proud of their work. We are committed to supporting them in terms of networking, building their information technology capacity, and training.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279f87abf-aaab-44ff-96db-2e33d763670a\u0022\u003E On Sunday evening, as the MP for Mana, I attended the annual awards night of the Trust Porirua City Brass Band. This band makes a great contribution to the life of Porirua City. It turns out on Anzac Day and on other civic occasions. It also supported Michael Campbell on his return home after his historic US Open win. Trust Porirua City Brass is filled with amateurs who play like professionals. Through their voluntary effort, they make a great contribution to the quality of life of our city.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279f87abf-aaab-44ff-96db-2e33d763670a\u0022\u003EAs Minister I will continue to support this sector and give them the support they need to build the social capital of our strong, inclusive nation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022 data-id=\u00227adaa8b17f494252a572a21429bf5fec\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227adaa8b17f494252a572a21429bf5fec\u0022\u003ESIMON POWER (National\u2014Rangitikei):\u003C/span\u003E It is a great pleasure to participate in the Address in Reply debate, although, as the junior Government whip pointed out, it feels like we have had three or four debates on different matters prior to coming to this particular debate. I also remind the junior Government whip that today is, of course, 42 years since the assassination of John F Kennedy, and that is worth thinking about as we plunge our way into this particular debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003EI congratulate Madam Speaker, Margaret Wilson, on her re-election as Speaker. In my time working with her as the senior Opposition whip I found her to have a very keen sense of humour, and I warmly welcome her back to the Speaker\u2019s Chair. I also congratulate my good friend Clem Simich on obtaining the role of Deputy Speaker. I think the way that he conducts proceedings in the House is tantamount to the theory that the market will decide. He is quite able to let things ebb and flow and to play the advantage, as do you, Mr Assistant Speaker, with your soccer umpiring expertise. As I said when your nomination was put before the House, you are well regarded by all members of the House, and your knowledge of the Standing Orders is well recognised on all sides of the House. So I congratulate you on your reappointment. I also congratulate Ann Hartley on her reappointment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003EI\u2014strangely\u2014acknowledge the person who spoke before me, Winnie Laban, and also Clayton Cosgrove, two of the 1999 intake of members of Parliament who have made it to Cabinet. Although I would prefer to be on that side of the House myself, I sincerely congratulate them and wish them well. We will do our best to make sure their lives are as difficult as possible, but before that starts, I wish them well in that area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003EI am fortunate to have been given the job of Opposition spokesperson on law and order, which is a job that I am thoroughly enjoying, and I am finding the subject matter, shall we say, plentiful. In many ways I feel sorry for the new Minister of Police, Annette King, because she has been tasked with the job of picking up a shattered and demoralised police force. She has inherited a police force in which, as surveys show, the public\u2019s confidence has slid over recent weeks and months\u2014thanks to the fine work done in this area by my predecessor, the Hon Tony Ryall.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003EAnnette King, in her first public statement as Minister of Police, said that she would restore the public\u2019s confidence in the police. Well, what have we seen in the time that Annette King has been Minister of Police? We have seen 111 response times getting worse\u2014even worse than they were under George Hawkins during his shambolic reign as Minister of Police. I can say only that on the occasions I have watched Mr Hawkins sit in his back-bench seat, I noticed that he looked relieved. He looks as though he has been put out of his misery and can just sit quietly and enjoy himself. Annette King has a tough job, and she has failed on the first count, because the 111 system and the response times under the 111 system have actually become worse. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003EWe see in the media today that multiple numbers of police are being offered one job, all at the same time, and we see an extraordinary situation where the remedies available to those police officers who were offered that job will no doubt now be exercised in full, which will cause further concern for the Commissioner of Police and, no doubt, his replacement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003EWe also see, by way of written questions in recent weeks, that 30 percent of police high-speed pursuits of offenders are abandoned. So 30 percent of those offenders who are literally running\u2014or driving\u2014from the police are getting away. If those car chases are being abandoned for safety reasons, that is fair enough, but I have asked Annette King to assure Parliament and the public of New Zealand that those people are apprehended at a later date, and that they are not just getting away from those high-speed pursuits and any other offences or convictions that may be brought against them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003EThe other area in this job that I am fortunate to have an interest in is that of corrections. I have to say that Damien O\u2019Connor has his work cut out for him. This is a shambles of a department. In recent weeks we have heard a number of stories of prisoners sleeping in and moving around in vans between court cells and prison, and heading off to rugby clubrooms to shower and exercise. We are seeing an environment where the department is throwing up its hands in the briefing to incoming Ministers and saying: \u201CIt\u2019s all too hard for us.\u201D I say to the Minister that our strategic options are completely limited because of the number of prisoners who are coming through the system. It is easy to talk tough about tightening the Sentencing Act, the Parole Act, and the Corrections Act, but at the other end of the scale that is simply going to mean there will be more prisoners in custody.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003EThe Government has to do better than to say that it has planned until 2008, and that there will be enough beds until then. The big problem is not what happens between now and 2008, it is the post-2008 period that is the real problem\u2014although if one believes some of the Ministry of Justice projections about prisoner numbers, there is a short-term problem, particularly when prisoners are held in vans and showering in rugby clubrooms.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b38d18621ce7408897fc64d67d3af9cb\u0022\u003ERodney Hide\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s the plan, then?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bcb4849ab3e64daba1f4aae93f39d9b9\u0022\u003ESIMON POWER\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Hide rightly asks the question that we tried to put to Mr O\u2019Connor today in question time\u2014what happens then?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4ba6c5349294012b3d4c743619aa383\u0022\u003ERodney Hide\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s the plan?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022379eaf84653a4913bbb4fe0dfb2b6d40\u0022\u003ESIMON POWER\u003C/span\u003E: It is funny that Mr Hide should ask that, because Mr O\u2019Connor issued a statement today saying that perhaps home detention could mop up some of that. That will not work when the Government, and Ministers from the Government, talk tough about crime and penalties, put people in prison, and then say: \u201COh, perhaps home detention could mop up some of that problem.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003EIt could be worse. Prisoners could be sent to Ng\u0101wh\u0101 prison, where, in the middle of the night, they could just leave their cells, help themselves to tea and coffee in the guards\u2019 staffroom, and wander in and out of the control room of the prison. They would obviously want to avoid the red button that opens the gates, because why would they want to leave if they could get up in the middle of the night and wander around and have tea and coffee in the staffroom? Why would they want to press the red button and head back to a life where maybe they would have to pay for tea and coffee? In Ng\u0101wh\u0101 prison prisoners can just get up in the middle of the night and wander around to their heart\u2019s content. What did Damien O\u2019Connor do when this scandal was revealed? He moved quickly and ordered a report into it, which said that the locks on the window, and the way they operated, were a minor technical hitch. Mr Cosgrove shakes his head, and he would be right to do that, because a minor technical hitch does not involve a new prison where prisoners can get up in the middle of the night, climb out of their windows, pop off for cups of tea and coffee in the guards\u2019 staffroom, wander in and out of the control room, and could press the red button to make themselves free. But then, they would think: \u201CWhy would I go? This is too good. I\u2019ll stay here. This is the way forward.\u201D I worry about that, and I say to Mr O\u2019Connor that we will watch those reports to see where we go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003EI congratulate the new National MPs who have come to the House after this election. They are a fantastic group of people who make the Labour back bench look tired and old. At the risk of offending any of the new MPs, I want to congratulate just two new members of Parliament in particular, Chester Borrows and Nathan Guy, who are my neighbours in the lower North Island. Until only a very short time ago, our area was a complete sea of red. I was completely surrounded by red. We are lucky to have people in the Wellington area of the calibre of Chris Finlayson, who will make a fantastic contribution to this House. I have no doubt about that, at all. But I particularly want to congratulate Nathan Guy and Chester Borrows, and I am sure they will make an excellent contribution. I also want to congratulate Don Brash on the fantastic job he did during the campaign in lifting National\u2019s party vote from 21 percent to 39 percent. That was an extraordinary feat for a man who has been in politics for less than 3 years, and he deserves to be congratulated on it. Lastly, I want to thank the people of Rangitikei for the faith that they have shown in me by electing me for a third term to be their member of Parliament. Electorate needs should always come first for members of Parliament, and everyone would do well to remember that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022803002d1-e810-4bd8-b8e7-2e97d0d6f626\u0022\u003EWe are going to be taking the fight to the Clark-Peters Government over the course of the next short while\u2014and it will be a short while. I look forward to taking the debate to the responsible Ministers in the areas of law and order, police, corrections, and courts, and also to participating in a caucus that is strongly led by Don Brash and Gerry Brownlee in what will prove to be a very short time in Government for this tired, old Labour Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022 data-id=\u00226e729e974bcd4069b9d6cee50b7d28d3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226e729e974bcd4069b9d6cee50b7d28d3\u0022\u003EHon MARK GOSCHE (Labour\u2014Maungakiekie):\u003C/span\u003E It is a pleasure to be speaking in this debate. I begin by congratulating the re-elected Speaker, the Hon Margaret Wilson. I am also very pleased to congratulate Clem Simich\u2014I think all members of this House enjoy a good relationship with him as Deputy Speaker\u2014and, of course, yourself, Mr Assistant Speaker, and Assistant Speaker Ann Hartley. I welcome all new members into this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022\u003EThis is my 10th year in the place and I have been here under MMP that entire time. I think we probably see some comings and goings that previous first-past-the-post Parliaments did not witness. I think that is healthy because it gives a new flavour and a new set of ideas to each Parliament as it forms.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022\u003EIt has been interesting to listen to the maiden speeches. I particularly want to congratulate my colleagues Shane Jones, Maryan Street, Darien Fenton, and Sue Moroney\u2014people I have worked with for many, many years in various guises. They all bring different qualities to this House and I know they are going to make a wonderful contribution to this Government. It has also been interesting to listen to members on the Opposition benches who are making their maiden speeches. It is good to be able to hear their perspectives. Sometimes we agree and sometimes we do not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022\u003EI also want to congratulate the Prime Minister, the Rt Hon Helen Clark. I am sure most people want to congratulate her on the fact that she has been returned as Prime Minister for the third time. Up there with that achievement is the return of the Rugby World Cup to New Zealand, and I think it will be neck and neck as to which the New Zealand public think is the most important at the moment. It is the political achievement that I want to honour here today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022\u003EI also want to thank the electors of the Maungakiekie electorate, which I am very proud to represent here for my third term. I started as a list MP and I am very honoured to be returned again as the member of Parliament for the Maungakiekie electorate. It is a wonderful electorate to represent. I was at a school prize-giving in \u014Ct\u0101huhu not so long ago, not long after some fairly negative publicity about our area of South Auckland\u2014I am quite happy to call it South Auckland because that is where I was born, that is what I have always called it, and that is what I recognise it as. It is a great place to live and an excellent place to represent, and I sometimes wish that I could pick up the local newspaper or some of the national media and read about the many positives about my community, such as I witnessed at that prize-giving.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022\u003EI was very proud to hear that Timothy Funaki, \u014Ct\u0101huhu College\u2019s first Youth MP, who represented the people of Maungakiekie in this House in the first Youth Parliament some years ago, was sworn in as a doctor last week and took his Hippocratic oath. It gives me great pleasure to mention that, because he is just one of the young people of South Auckland who are making their contribution to our society. Of Tongan and M\u0101ori descent, his family are real achievers in our community, but they are people who work for our community in many, many ways that go unnoticed by the media. The South Auckland community actually contributes enormously to this country. If members look at New Zealand sports teams, whatever code they might be\u2014on the international stage, or at regional or local level\u2014and at the people in those teams, they will find a significant number of South Aucklanders in their midst. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022\u003E Our music industry is something that this Government has actually acknowledged and supported in a way that no other Government has, and the music industry has been led in many ways by the young people of South Auckland. I am enormously proud of them. They are selling records, CDs, whatever, not only in this country at record levels but on the international scene. Many of those people have brown faces, and I am very proud to say that our Pacific and M\u0101ori musicians and artists are contributing, as they did to our sports teams over the weekend. They do that in our music, in our universities, in our businesses, and in our communities. I just want to acknowledge that, because I was struck by the great annoyance of the principal of \u014Ct\u0101huhu College, and of many whom I spoke to at that prize-giving, about the lack of attention to the positives in our community. I want to place that on the record of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022\u003EI am very pleased also to acknowledge Penrose High School. We have wonderful schools throughout New Zealand. They should be celebrated. They provide some of the best education in the world that we could get for our children. Penrose High School has $15 million to rebuild a school that badly needs its infrastructure rebuilt to meet the challenges of the Auckland isthmus, as the population grows. They celebrated their 50th jubilee not so long ago, and I read a very good history of the school and the wonderful people who have come out of that school and contributed to New Zealand society. Let us celebrate those things. We acknowledge there are troubles at times, but we want to celebrate some of the wonderful things. I am pleased to be able do that in the House today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022\u003ESome very important issues were outlined in the Speech from the Throne. Aged care is one issue that all parties in the House have said needs to be addressed in many, many ways, such as funding, the way we build up the quality of the workforce through training, and improving the wages of the people who do that work. We are all going to get old. We are all possibly going to need more services from the Government, and the aged-care sector has to be supported. I am very pleased that that has been addressed in the Speech from the Throne by the Governor-General.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022\u003EI also want to say let us not forget the disability sector. I come here today with a great deal of emotion about this, for obvious reasons with the situation that I have personally found myself in these last 3\u00BD years. For some time now I have been advocating these matters to my colleagues, and I am very pleased that the Hon Pete Hodgson has got the job of Minister of Health, because he is grappling now with the issues of aged-care funding and disability funding. He is getting on with a job that has badly needed to be done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022\u003EI want to speak for some of those families that are never recognised; the ones who look after their disabled relatives, their elderly in their homes, and who are badly under-resourced. They have been badly under-resourced by Government after Government, so this is not a political criticism of anybody in particular. It is something we have to address as a nation. We have to acknowledge that some of these carers have to give up their jobs, give up their houses, give up their future careers, and a whole lot else, to stay home and look after a relative who has suddenly fallen ill. Our accident compensation scheme is the best in the world, but in terms of disability support we have a very long way to go to catch up. I attended a rehabilitation conference in Auckland late last week where those issues were outlined. We cannot afford to say that, for each person who suffers a disability that is acquired, a family has to put their lives on hold, perhaps for many, many years. In my case I have had to do that. I am still here to represent those people, because I think it is important that I put myself through a rigorous election campaign, such is my belief in having to have this matter addressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022\u003EQuite frankly, when I picked up the newspaper, as all of us did last week, and read a Treasury briefing that stated: \u201CLet\u2019s cut taxes\u201D, I wanted to know what world they live in, because it is not my world. I say that when all the families who are crying out for more help to look after their disabled relatives have their needs satisfied, I will agree with Treasury and with any member of Parliament that we can start looking at cutting taxes. When we have done that, I will agree. In the meantime I say no. There are too many people who need the help of the State\u2014of fellow taxpayers\u2014to get basic rehabilitation, to get basic care in the home when they need it, and in our aged-care facilities and in our private hospitals where people with disability and age-related illnesses end up. That is when we should be seriously considering advice from Treasury on this matter, but in the meantime I would say that it is absolutely and utterly wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022263be082-dd01-4ef1-9c19-d546d0174793\u0022\u003EIt is a pleasure to speak in this debate and it is a pleasure to be able to record my thanks to the people who elected me here. I will serve them with all my energy, as I have done over the last 9 years. Many things need to be done by all members of the House, and I look forward to working with them to pass good legislation and good Budgets, and to oversee the work of the public sector so that New Zealand is a better place in 3 years\u2019 time as a result.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022 data-id=\u0022cdf5770b137441e48694f93253fa5463\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cdf5770b137441e48694f93253fa5463\u0022\u003EHon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Minister for Building Issues):\u003C/span\u003E Firstly, as is traditional, I pay my respects to Her Excellency the Governor-General, to the Hon Margaret Wilson, who was re-elected as Speaker, and to yourself, Mr Assistant Speaker. I also join with other members in passing on my compliments to Clem Simich. I think it is universally known throughout the House that he is a chap who plays fair and who provides a high degree of dignity. Mr Assistant Speaker, you and Ann Hartley\u2014unlike some members down there, who could learn from you\u2014bring to the Chair a high degree of style and elegance as a team, and I am sure that you will both do well in this House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003EAs Mark Gosche conveyed to the House, I also am deeply honoured and humbled to be re-elected to a third term as the member of Parliament for Waimakariri, and I thank Simon Power for his kind and generous words on my, and others, election to Cabinet. I was asked on the night I was elected whether it was the greatest honour I had received in my life. I have to say I answered \u201CNo.\u201D, because the greatest honour in my life was to have the people of my electorate elect me and re-elect me, because, in our system, without that mandate one does not have the ability to stand up, put one\u2019s name forward, and ask one\u2019s colleagues for their support to enter Cabinet. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003EHaving said that, as a new Minister I realise the awesome responsibility I have when I walk into the Cabinet room. It is a realisation that this is an adult game, that this is real, and that this is, as my colleague Mr Gosche said, about people\u2019s lives. There is a lot of banter across the House, and we do get into each other from time to time. Some of it is deserved\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d165f5cb8c254dad90c02b36521df427\u0022\u003EJudith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222212a86dfae4470a8841e8c1b57488a5\u0022\u003EHon CLAYTON COSGROVE\u003C/span\u003E: I see that Judith Collins has perked up. Some of the banter is deserved and some is undeserved. That is the side of Parliament that people most often see, through the lens of the television camera. However, I think all of us\u2014or most of us, anyway\u2014believe that Parliament is about people\u2019s lives and about our attempting to make a difference. We have different ways of walking down the path to try to achieve that, but, hopefully, that is the universal goal for us all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003EI thank the people of Waimakariri for the honour and privilege they have given me by electing me to represent them as their constituent MP. I also acknowledge my opponent in the election, Kate Wilkinson, who will possibly be my opponent in the future also, for the race she ran. Waimakariri is a fantastic electorate, because it is a little slice of New Zealand. It is rural, it is urban, it has rich, it has poor\u2014it has everything. That, in my view, is what makes it so interesting. Some electorates are totally rural and others are totally urban. Statistically, Waimakariri is the fastest-growing electorate in the country, and it is now the electorate with the biggest population. It is interesting, because the people there are straight shooters. They come and tell me when I do things wrong\u2014and I am guilty of being wrong from time to time\u2014and they tell me, now and again, when I do things right. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003EI am proud of the achievements in that electorate, and of this Government putting about $13 million into the Styx Bridge, which had been a major choke point in my electorate for many, many years. The former Minister of Transport in the last National Government abrogated his responsibility to put that money up. We were then told we would wait 20 years, but under this Government, after some negotiation and a couple of months, it has been finished. I am proud of the fact that this Government put money up through the district health boards to give elderly people hospital beds in Kaiapoi for the first time. I am also proud of the fact that this Government\u2019s priority was not tax cuts but, in education for instance, to put $7.5 million into Rangiora High School for new buildings and about $1.1 million into Papanui High School for new buildings. I think I lost count at around the $50 million mark of the amount we have poured in since we have been in Government over and above operational\u2014[Interruption]. Well, that member is like a rugby ball\u2014over-inflated and covered in pigskin. I am proud of the fact that our Government saw education as its priority, and, as I said, I lost count in terms of the amount of money\u2014it was about $50 million\u2014that was put in, over and above operational funding, to bricks and mortar and school kids in the electorate. I am proud of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003EMr Hide, who is trying to interject, might like to rise and tell us the secret of his success, given that he took a party from seven or eight members down to two. What an awesome achievement in only a number of months as leader! That is the man who celebrates defeat and tries to make it into success. I suppose it depends on how we define it, but we will leave it there. We are all hoping he will carry on as he left off. On that ratio, if he splits his party down from two seats he will be gone next time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003EI am also proud of the fact that this Government, in terms of its achievements, has kept its promises. As Mr Gosche said, Labour is not a party fixated on tax cuts, and that is the ideological choice\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d48244fc-ceef-4ef5-9cee-851e4d439468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022851fa12ce3f44b479a4dd6d5cd3732be\u0022\u003EDr Don Brash\u003C/span\u003E: It makes it clear\u2014you\u2019re absolutely not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d3d09f908c684f02aa0a98d10bc8a841\u0022\u003EHon CLAYTON COSGROVE\u003C/span\u003E: There is the Leader of the Opposition, Dr Brash\u2014a political carcass with a coat and tie hanging from it. When Dr Brash made his awesome, lively, spirited speech in this Address in Reply debate, the person who looked most happy was John Key. John Key is now bouncing in as preferred leader at 5 percent. Now one can see the line in the sand, the smoke, and the nervousness of the Leader of the Opposition by the beads of sweat on his brow as he contemplates his future, which could be a near-death experience in coming days. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003EI am proud of the fact that we as a country have achieved the lowest rate of unemployment in the OECD, at 3.4 percent. We have achieved an average growth of 4 percent over 6 years, while the average rate of growth in OECD countries has been 2.5 percent. I celebrate that, unlike the Leader of the Opposition, whose biggest attribute in this House is to stand up every day and praise Australia or the United States, saying what wonderful countries they are, bagging New Zealand, running us down, and choosing not to stand or walk beside New Zealanders and celebrate their success, and not to put forward some policies. Rather, he stands there and bags Kiwi achievement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003EI am proud of the fact that since we became the Government in 1999, 300,000 new jobs have become available, taking 100,000 people off welfare and putting them into work. What is the Opposition\u2019s answer? It is to try to create some smoke and mirrors around the unemployment figures by talking about those who are sick and are invalids. That is right\u2014pick on the most vulnerable, because they cannot fight back, of course! Those who are sick or are invalids cannot stand up in this House and rebut Dr Brash. I have the honour, as does Mr Gosche and others, of standing up and doing that job for them. On election night, and in the days following, those people made their choice. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003ELet us look at the Working for Families package. There is the difference in ideology between the National Party and the Labour Party. The National Party went to an election promising\u2014and I know it hates having people reminded of this\u2014$9 billion worth of tax cuts that would have resulted in most people getting very, very little. I believe that my opponent in the election tried to dispute John Key\u2019s own words when John Key admitted that National would borrow to give a tax cut\u2014$3.5 billion. Then Dr Brash went on television and said National was not borrowing for a tax cut but for other things. But if the tax cut was not given, there would be no need for borrowing. All those Kiwis who Dr Brash treated as fools are not fools. They thought again and worked out that it was voodoo economics by Dr Brash. It was a bribe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003ELabour will back Kiwis with families so that almost all families with children who earn under $45,000 will benefit from substantial inputs and tax relief from this Government. Once the Working for Families package is fully implemented, child poverty will be slashed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e3ce62bbf764f5a80888d4039c6914d\u0022\u003EJudith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Ha!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002242976576ccef46c79d5a75e8d28cae04\u0022\u003EHon CLAYTON COSGROVE\u003C/span\u003E: Judith Collins groans; she is not interested in slashing child poverty\u2014not from her electorate. She is interested in a tax cut. That is all she is fixated on. If she is asked about child poverty, she yawns. Well, I say she should go and yawn to some of the kids in South Auckland and Christchurch, and their mums and dads, and talk about a tax cut for those at the bottom of the heap. She should go and yawn at them and see how much traction she gets politically. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003ESo there are our achievements and our goals in health, education, and family assistance with our Working for Families package\u2014and what do those members talk about? They talk about tax cuts. What a terrible week it has been for the National Party. It started with the carcass over there, swinging on the hook. Then, of course, the deputy leader, Gerry Brownlee, made history. I cannot remember any other time that a member stood up and attacked the head of State\u2019s representative. He got stuck in, knowing, of course\u2014as National members do, because they attack only those who cannot talk back and cannot respond\u2014that our head of State\u2019s representative could not respond. There is a word for that. I will not use it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229fcc1405ac5f4fc2bd0b7fea370e16f9\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: No, you will not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a93b8f84a7df4c4ebc2ce48909ca9887\u0022\u003EHon CLAYTON COSGROVE\u003C/span\u003E: But Mr Brownlee may well rue the day he made those statements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u00221e6421f53d39441582c8a54016d927ac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221e6421f53d39441582c8a54016d927ac\u0022\u003EJUDITH COLLINS (National\u2014Clevedon):\u003C/span\u003E It is such a pleasure to follow the humble member for Waimakariri, who told us so many times how humble he was, then went on to prove how wrong that statement was. My goodness, Kate Wilkinson will certainly be taking that seat at the next election! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003ECan I start, Mr Assistant Speaker, by congratulating you on your election to your role. I also congratulate the Hon Margaret Wilson on her election as Speaker, my colleague the Hon Clem Simich on his appointment as Deputy Speaker, and Ann Hartley on becoming an Assistant Speaker. Mr Assistant Speaker, you have always been very fair, and I am sure I will not give you any more trouble this term than I normally do. I will do my best. I would also like to pay tribute to Don Brash and his leadership of the National Party. Don Brash brought us back with a new, invigorated team.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EOne of the most outstanding things in this debate has been to listen to the maiden speeches, particularly from the National Party and the M\u0101ori Party. I am one of those P\u0101keh\u0101 members of Parliament who have no fear of the M\u0101ori Party, and I will tell members why. The Labour Party prefers M\u0101ori MPs to be tame. The National Party does not like anyone to be tame, and the M\u0101ori Party is not tame. It is made up of people who have challenged some of our ideas. Certainly, we do not agree on everything, but, by goodness, we do agree on welfare and on welfare reform! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EAt this stage, I would also like to thank the Clevedon electorate. In the 2002 election it gave me a majority of 3,127. In this election\u2014and I am not going to have any false modesty about it\u2014my majority went up to 12,871, and I thank those people so much. I am there for them. The people of Clevedon, including those in Papakura and in all other parts of the electorate, may not always agree with everything I say or with everything I do, but, by goodness they certainly know what I stand for. The Labour Government with Winston Peters certainly does not know what it stands for, but we know what Helen Clark and Winston Peters stand for: anything that gets them the baubles of office and enables them to keep them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b63935ee-d78b-43a8-a3bc-996e7951fb9b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002254fc37a8fd8d43e78d05b02131cee3d2\u0022\u003ER Doug Woolerton\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s very harsh. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c0eec85aadd44279bbb383bae5184b3b\u0022\u003EJUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Doug Woolerton has just said: \u201CThat\u2019s very harsh.\u201D, with a smile.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EAs the MP for Clevedon, let me just digress for a moment. I would like to thank the Hon Harry Duynhoven for agreeing that the inquiry into the National Rescue Coordination Centre should be an independent inquiry. I thank Harry Duynhoven for that. Michael Erceg, who, as we all know, has died, was a very, very important member of the Papakura community and therefore of the Clevedon electorate. He was a very, very important person. On meeting Michael, one would never know who he was, because he was so totally without pretension. I met him only a few times, but he certainly made an impression. He had incredible drive, incredible personality, and incredible focus, and he was obviously incredibly intelligent. He made jobs for people who had no jobs. He did not sit here in Wellington, in Parliament, talking about the Government doing things; he did them himself, and he helped other people do them. I hope that when Minister Duynhoven looks at the inquiry he will also look at why the US embassy and the US Department of Defense offered to make available\u2014and did make available\u2014satellite photos of aircraft flights here in New Zealand, when they should have been available anyway. I do not think that people who are grieving, who are looking for loved ones, or even who are looking for wreckage should have to ask about this or try to find out about it for this themselves. They are not experts. These people are volunteers; they are not experts. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI hope also that Mr Duynhoven will be looking at why the Swedish Government was more willing to help than people thought the New Zealand Government was. I know there is an argument that says that rescue coordination people have to say \u201CStop\u201D at some stage, and I utterly agree with that. But when people are willing to pay for extra help, why can they not have it? People have said to me that if we do that, then people who are rich will be searched for and the poor will not. I say that that is nonsense, because New Zealand Army personnel were put on to Peter Jackson\u2019s movies as paid extras to help him. I think that people actually come before movies and that we should look at the whole wider area of who the army and the search people are there for. It has to be the people of New Zealand and their families. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003ETomorrow Michael will have his funeral, and today is the anniversary of John F Kennedy\u2019s assassination. Tomorrow is also the anniversary of my mother\u2019s death, so it will be a very sad day. It will be very sad for the Erceg family. It is very important for us to always think that people should come first, no matter what. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI have the pleasure, again, to be the National Party\u2019s spokeswoman on welfare, and I take on the role with gusto. I have seen the benefit figures. The Minister crowed yet again today about the unemployment figures, and I say to him: \u201CThose are fantastic. Let\u2019s have more of them. Good on you.\u201D, except that I know that the jobs are not created by Governments. The jobs are created by people like Michael Erceg and his family. I do know that when the number of people on the sickness benefit and the invalids benefit continues to grow, we cannot turn round and blame people like me who happen to point it out. We must tackle the issue. When I consider the fact that about 40 percent of the people on the domestic purposes benefit are M\u0101ori, and that so many M\u0101ori children\u2014about 90,000\u2014are brought up in homes with no income other than a benefit, I cry for this country. We have to deal with this situation, and we will not deal with it by turning round and blaming people like me who give that message. Neither will we deal with it by constantly blaming Governments or Government departments. We will deal with it only by taking responsibility for our own actions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EIf there is one thing that the M\u0101ori Party brings to this House, I hope it is that M\u0101ori must stand up for M\u0101ori and be there. The reason it is so important is that if we do not get this right, we will not be able to complain, like we do, about powhiri\u2014because we will not have any powhiri. We will not be able to complain, as people sometimes do, when M\u0101ori stand in the public gallery and perform a waiata. I say good on them for doing it. [Interruption] I wish that member over there, Darren Hughes, the man with the smallest majority in Parliament, would just keep his voice a little smaller. When Labour Party members tell M\u0101ori to vote for them because someone else did, that is not good enough. The Labour Party has stood by and allowed this situation to happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EWhen we look at Child, Youth and Family Services in South Auckland\u2014and I do not go around just talking about South Auckland; I live there\u2014we see we have a department that is absolutely dysfunctional and a Minister who comes to the select committee and tells us how wonderful it is. Every single day the newspapers report another story and another tragedy. So often the children involved are M\u0101ori, and so often those children are the children of full-time beneficiaries. So often this happens to our most vulnerable children. It is simply not good enough that we stand by and allow this to happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022 data-id=\u0022a09811e11e444e24bbde08cb756e71b1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a09811e11e444e24bbde08cb756e71b1\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E Mr Assistant Speaker, I join with my colleagues in congratulating you and your administrative colleagues on their election to Parliament, and to such an important presiding role. In particular, I congratulate the Speaker, Margaret Wilson. I must agree with the comments I have heard earlier about her colleague Clem Simich. Clem Simich enjoys unparalleled respect in this building and I am confident, as we all are, that he will perform those duties with distinction. I am delighted to see him in that role. Also, I congratulate you, Mr Robertson, and your colleague Ms Hartley. I also extend best wishes and congratulations to all my parliamentary colleagues. There are many challenges for us in this place, not the least of them being to debate issues rationally, and I welcome our new parliamentary colleagues and wish them every encouragement in that regard. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003EIt is an honour, and indeed a privilege, to stand here as a member of a Government that has delivered so convincingly on its election pledges, both historically and already in this term. I would like to traverse some of those pledges and talk about the challenges for the future that were so appropriately canvassed in the Speech from the Throne. In doing so, I pay my respects also to the Governor-General and to our parliamentary constitutional arrangements. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003EIn Government we have committed to 20 hours of quality, free early childhood education for all 3 to 4-year-olds at teacher-led, community-based early childhood centres by 2007. I will list a number of these initiatives because they are particularly relevant to the portfolio I am very pleased to hold, after my predecessor Mr Maharey, who I am delighted is with us in the Chamber this evening. He knows better than most, and our community is starting to learn, that we are also providing 3,040 additional teachers in our classrooms, over and above the number required for roll growth in our schools. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003EWe have expanded the Family Start programme, which last year helped 4,000 vulnerable families, and further new services are planned over the next 2 years. Department of Child, Youth and Family Services baseline funding has increased by more than 50 percent, allowing more social workers to help in early intervention as well as to deal more quickly with current cases\u2014one of the great challenges that we face as a community. We have expanded the Social Workers in Schools programme, which again enables early intervention in cases of potential child abuse. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003ELabour, to its credit and to the advantage of the whole community, has increased access to affordable primary health care, and 3.7 million New Zealanders are now entitled to be enrolled in primary health organisations, and in fact are enrolled. That means that by 2007 they will have cheaper doctors\u2019 fees and prescription charges. We have delivered on our promise to double the number of hip and knee operations this year. We have also provided funding for up to 7,500 more cataract operations in the next 3 years. Significantly\u2014and this was discussed in question time today of course\u2014 we have also invested $200 million to fight back against meningococcal B disease. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003EAs most New Zealanders are only too aware, Labour reversed National\u2019s cuts to superannuation, restoring to older couples the right to receive a guaranteed 65 percent of the average wage at 65 years. We know there were some commitments around the election about that level. We also removed asset testing by progressively phasing out asset testing for older people in rest homes and geriatric hospitals. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003ENew Zealand has its lowest crime rate in over 20 years. No one who is listening to the House today or who has been watching question time recently can miss the irony of a Government that has had that achievement, and that has built $800 million worth of new prisons\u2014or is in the process of doing so\u2014being criticised for overcrowding in some of our penal institutions. We make no apologies for the increased focus on policing, and for responding appropriately to what the community has asked of us. It is a sad comment on the weakness of the Opposition that it has to try to play that game. It was Labour that implemented tougher sentencing, and tougher parole and bail laws. That means more serious offenders are spending longer in prison, which is why there is such a financial impost in relation to the construction of new prisons. And we have more police.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229bd4b582154d4b9aae3eda779f77deff\u0022\u003ELindsay Tisch\u003C/span\u003E: Tell that to the victims. They don\u2019t believe you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c860657cb054a2e9b8369648204e051\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE\u003C/span\u003E: No matter how long you bleat\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff50c2cef40e4232b822ec7301a64cbc\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Please do not bring the Speaker into the debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207baed1dcd4c42ec85d42cbc6b2916c2\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE\u003C/span\u003E: I say to Mr Tisch that the further 265 staff announced in Budget 2005 will take total police numbers above 10,000 for the first time ever, and the total added by Labour to over 1,400. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003EOne of the greatest challenges for the Opposition is to focus on facts. We saw that with regard to the extraordinary misinformation that one or two National members were trying to portray about other benefit issues earlier in the day. It is no less the case with regard to police issues. Sooner, not later, the community will become aware that it is not only Dr Brash who wears no clothes. The National Opposition is completely without policy in those matters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c290198a3ada421d87026b2e4736a820\u0022\u003ELindsay Tisch\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The comment that the member made about Dr Brash is completely unparliamentary. I ask the member to withdraw and apologise for that remark.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0ea7f94db784ae9b7de66f36f70b666\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I did not hear it, but if the member did make an unparliamentary remark I would caution him on the way in which he addresses the House in future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022df750f0b27c14a68b9d361bcbc4240b1\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE\u003C/span\u003E: I hardly thought it was unparliamentary to refer to the old Russian folk tale of the emperor with no clothes. But just like the leader, the National Party also has no clothes, because it has no policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022140c4d5d20a5423bb10521e7d82ba9ed\u0022\u003EHon David Carter\u003C/span\u003E: What about tax?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6f461631c4942d5ba371f2e4181146f\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE\u003C/span\u003E: National may make the most extraordinary claims about tax, but can we talk about forestry? And when we are talking about forestry, should we talk to Mr Connell, or to Dr Brash? If we talk about health we would not know whether to talk to Dr Hutchison or to Dr Brash, because the party had no cohesive policy into the election. That is why those people, including those most verbose and overexcited new people, are sitting again on the Opposition benches. In contrast, it is clear what Labour stands for. Would it not be nice if the public could say what the Opposition stands for? But it cannot. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003EWe know that for 6 long years the Opposition members have sat there on the Opposition benches, looking a bit stunned. They have been here for their long lunches and their late nights, and they have contributed next to nothing. I guess the next issue of Trivial Pursuit will ask: \u201CWhat do Opposition MPs do with their day?\u201D. The correct answer to date has been: \u201CNot much, by the look of things.\u201D But that comes about because in Opposition those members have been useless, and they have been useless because they are lazy. They do not know their subjects, they do not like their leader, and in all that time in Opposition they never came up with any real policies. They might have bleated a lot but they never came up with any real policies, and when the scab came off they could not come up with any detail. It is no wonder, therefore, that those members will be on the Opposition benches for another 3 years. They will have been 9 years in Opposition and that is almost certain to drift on to 12 or 15 years, because they have already shown their unwillingness to do any hard work. Are we not watching with great interest the little internecine fights that are already developing within their caucus? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003ENational went into the election with unaffordable tax cuts that would have delivered $10 a week to most Kiwis, but $92 a week to its millionaire supporters or MPs like Dr Brash, Mr Key, and a number of the others. It tried to buy the election with its tax cuts and its underhand campaigns, financed by strange sects and shady deals with industry, in return for favours that voters were never supposed to know about. That failed, National failed, and its members have turned up in this House ready to fail in Opposition for another 3 years. It is no surprise to anyone that the National members are sad as that realisation finally sinks in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E What a contrast one sees when one looks at the Labour-led Government, which is committed to growing our economy and investing in quality public services. New Zealand has averaged a growth rate of around 4 percent over the last 6 years, while the OECD average was 2.5 percent. We have received extraordinary international recognition. The International Monetary Fund recently described our economy as \u201Cstrongly positive\u201D. Our fiscal position is \u201Cvery strong\u201D. A recent OECD report about New Zealand stated: \u201CThe economy has continued on its strong upward course \u2026\u201D, and stated that living standards have continued to improve. [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002262ce2fc0a9064a1588c672359aadbd67\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I just say to members that while the honourable member is making a speech some interjections can be expected, but not so many as to drown out the member. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022330c030b-99be-4461-8aaa-9a10ee5bd889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203e83ed0a834422abab4819a41168d67\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENSON-POPE\u003C/span\u003E: We have implemented policies in Government that mean that we now pay less in debt servicing so that resources are freed up for spending on health, education, and defence\u2014the sorts of things our communities are asking us to deliver on. Crown debt has been falling, relative to GDP, from 35.4 percent in 1999, to 25 percent last year, and to an estimated 22 percent this year. That is a remarkable achievement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022 data-id=\u0022da386d4b2c5141398d7b4a6f749d637b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022da386d4b2c5141398d7b4a6f749d637b\u0022\u003EHon ANNETTE KING (Minister of State Services):\u003C/span\u003E I am delighted to contribute to this very important debate, which will set the scene for the next 3 years. I begin by congratulating Madam Speaker on her election to the Chair. What I like about Madam Speaker is her calmness, her sense of humour, and her knowledge. I think she is like a fine red wine\u2014she is maturing very nicely, indeed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EI also congratulate Clem Simich. He, I think, is Parliament\u2019s gentleman. In fact, he is a National MP from a bygone era. He is courteous, considerate, and never rude, and he is prepared to listen. He was a Minister of Police, and he was incredibly helpful to me when I was in Opposition. I thank him for that. Why did the National Party kick him out? Why did it get rid of a good constituency MP and put him on the list when he was doing a good job here in Parliament? Nobody can understand that. Such are the mysteries of the National Party. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EA moment like this is a good opportunity to thank one\u2019s own organisation for the work it did in the election campaign. I thank my organisation for the fantastic job it did. It delivered a vote of almost 50 percent for Labour in the seat of Rongotai. It is a fantastic seat. I believe that it is the best seat in New Zealand. It has the wonderful coastline of the southern and eastern Wellington areas, and it has the Chatham Islands, those little gems out there in the sea. Many people love to visit the Chatham Islands. Members of Parliament flock there in their droves to have a little look, spend a little time there, and bring back a little fish. Rongotai is a tremendous electorate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EI pay a tribute tonight to my opponent, Nicola Young, who put up a very good fight. But she too was kicked by the National Party. She was promised a high position on the list. She did not get the Wellington Central nomination\u2014that went to Mark Blumsky\u2014but she was promised a high position on the list. What number did she get? She got No. 61. Fancy doing that to a person who comes from the aristocracy of the National Party! She is Bill Young\u2019s daughter, her sister has been in Parliament, her other sister stood for Parliament, and her brother-in-law was a Cabinet Minister\u2014and how did National treat Nicola Young? It treated her appallingly. I say to Nicola Young that she will have a good future in whatever she does, because she is a fine person. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EOne of the pleasures of this debate is that we get the opportunity to listen to the maiden speeches of the new members of Parliament. It also gives us the opportunity to reflect on our own speeches, which we made when we came into this place. I was fortunate to present an address in this debate in 1984, as was my good friend and colleague Jim Sutton. What have I learnt in 21 years?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022270b1ff9bde14b619bbbc4352eb78646\u0022\u003EJohn Key\u003C/span\u003E: Let\u2019s hear your maiden speech.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca880a5e83f84308bf6c4f1ee47c972b\u0022\u003EHon ANNETTE KING\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Key may well say that because he has not learnt very much in the short time he has been here. But I would like to tell members what I have learnt in my time. [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd89406c34f14b57af02c0a5958015d1\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I am sorry to interrupt the member. I would like the members on the left to look at Speaker\u2019s ruling 57/3. Running commentaries are out of order. If a member wants to make a speech, he or she can take the call next time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f059b0b3b2d04908a2089a9cabe443c6\u0022\u003EHon ANNETTE KING\u003C/span\u003E: I want to tell Mr Key, in particular\u2014because this is very important for him\u2014what I have learnt in the 21 years since I was elected to Parliament. I have learnt the value of real friendship. We do not make a lot of friends when we are in Parliament, and it is rare to hold on to our old friends, so we really value those friendships we make. I tell Mr Key that I have learnt the value of working in a team, where people support each other and look out for each other. I have learnt the value of really good leadership, where the leader allows people to grow their talents and skills, and does not promote them to the front bench when he or she is really going to stab them in the back, or put them right up the back when they ought to be at the front. At this point I say to Dr Hutchison that I really feel sorry for him. He is a fine man. He was a good Opposition spokesperson on health. You were dumped\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022314a26986435475f8a5990b3e7d1ed7a\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I never got dumped. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285da4bd247a940bfacf804407d934f90\u0022\u003EHon ANNETTE KING\u003C/span\u003E:\u2014for somebody who does not know where his big toe is, let alone know anything about health. I have learnt that it is a privilege to represent the people of my electorate. I have also learnt that people can make a difference if they are in a party that has principles and policies, and, more important\u2014and this is the part that will hurt\u2014if they get the opportunity to implement those policies. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EI have spent 6 years in Opposition, and I am entering my 7th year in Government, and the reason why I have spent more time in Government than in Opposition is that the Labour Party learnt its lessons long ago. Dissension, division, self-interest, and superegos lead to long years in the wilderness. In fact, I tell Mr Key that they lead to 9 long years in the wilderness. That is where his party is going to be. The public cannot stand divided parties. They hate divided parties. They have no time for petty political backstabbing. They have no time for bad mouthing. The National Party, even though it has had 6 years in Opposition, has not learnt a darned thing. Its members are still backbiting, stabbing each other, and whingeing and moaning amongst themselves. They have not learnt anything. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EThe self-interest, double-dealing, and deceptiveness of some of those members, especially those who could be the leader, mean that they will not spend 9 long years in Opposition, but 12 years. In fact, the members of the brat pack have aged before my very eyes. I have watched them go from having brown hair to salt and pepper hair to grey hair in the time I have been here. The brat pack has become the rat pack, and it will become the geriatric pack in the next few years, having gone absolutely nowhere at all. I have never seen such naked ambition as I am seeing at this moment from those who would take Don Brash\u2019s job. I tell National members to give Don Brash a fair go. [Interruption] I join in that clap for Dr Brash\u2014he is getting the clap that he deserves at this moment. But I tell Dr Brash that as his members are clapping him, they are busy planning his downfall. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003ELet us take Bill English. He was a loser when he had the job of leader, but he has his eye on Dr Brash\u2019s job. Bill English has set out to recruit most of Dr Brash\u2019s new South Island members of Parliament. Whose loyalty has Mr English bought? He has bought theirs for his bid for Dr Brash\u2019s job. Mr English boasts that he has most of the South Island MPs in his pocket, hand-picked by him and his wife, and he is determined to win back the leadership of the National Party. Then we have John Key. He is eager, he is keen, and he has a lot going for him. But I tell him to watch out for his detractors. They are out there already. The whispering campaign has started; they have their eye on him. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E Then there is Gerry Brownlee. One cannot help but like Gerry Brownlee; he is a nice guy. But he is very ambitious and, of course, he is being undermined. What did Matthew Hooton\u2014that well-known, well-connected National Party person\u2014say about Gerry Brownlee? He said that Gerry Brownlee is an idiot and that the clock is ticking. [Interruption] That is a quote from Matthew Hooton, I say to Mr McCully. Mr McCully would also like the job if he could get it, but he knows he will never get it so he just plots and plans behind the scenes. Then there is Simon Power. Dr Brash needs to know this. Simon Power has already formed his thinktank. He has four people working for him so that he can be the leader to replace Dr Brash. He has already got the strategy written as to how this will happen and he is already set to go early so that he can get the job before John Key becomes too popular. It will be an interesting 3 years. We are going to see a lot of turmoil, we are going to see a lot of treachery, and we are going to see some changes in the National Party over the next 3 years. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EI conclude my speech by saying that I heard some wonderful speeches from the new members of Parliament. I heard wonderful speeches from the Opposition and from our own side. I commend Shane Jones and Sue Moroney. I commend Maryan Street and Darien Fenton, and I commend my cousin in this House, Chris Finlayson. He gave an extremely good speech. I did not agree with anything he said in his speech\u2014we are diametrically opposed\u2014but he is a man of talent. The National Party is lucky to have him. He comes from wonderful stock, and I know that the Russ clan will be delighted that they have representatives on both sides of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022 data-id=\u0022fbd1e76a1a23434b87fe0bfc2bd406ed\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fbd1e76a1a23434b87fe0bfc2bd406ed\u0022\u003ENICKY WAGNER (National):\u003C/span\u003E As a slight variation to convention, I would like to congratulate almost everyone who is part of this New Zealand Parliament: the elected members, those who work to support this institution, and especially the visitors and those listening to the radio tonight. I say to them that it is their attention and interest that keeps politicians honest. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThis is a House of Representatives, so, by definition, no one becomes a member of Parliament without the support of a cast of thousands. So thanks to my whole family, particularly to my husband, Billy, and my boys, Jamie and Tia, and thanks also to my friends and neighbours and everyone in Christchurch Central who helped and supported me. What a team! But it is the National Party\u201470 years young\u2014party president Judy Kirk, leader Don Brash, and regional chair Roger Bridge who made it happen for me and for so many others. Thank you very much. It is powerful stuff, being part of this party. I would also like to pay tribute to all my campaign colleagues who did not make it at this election. Keep in fighting trim, people; we will be needing you soon. Most importantly, thank you to everyone who gave National their party vote in 2005. It took a cast of thousands to get me here, and every one of them is a star. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EToday I want to speak in support of a minority group that is almost invisible to this Government: a group of 300,000 New Zealanders who feel alienated and misunderstood, who are often overworked and underpaid, and who are always unappreciated. But I also want to talk about how we New Zealanders hit the jackpot the day we were born into this country. Without even buying a raffle ticket, we inherited a unique and rich natural environment, all the opportunity, energy, and hopes of a country of immigrants, and the personal freedom and responsibilities of living in a democracy. It is an elegant and potent cocktail. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EI was born into a special family. Have you noticed that, like every mother who miraculously produces the most beautiful baby on earth, everyone\u2019s family is special? It is a simple point, but it is a key indicator to a successful society. My special family were mum and dad and three kids who knew they were loved. My mum was a teacher, my dad was an engineer. Both my granddads were businessmen, and my grandmas read us stories and cooked us food. They came to our house on Sundays for a roast. They all had an opinion about our manners, about our school work, and how we should treat our mother. They are all dead, right now, but their spirits are still strong in my life and their voices clear in my head: \u201CYou only get out of life what you put in.\u201D; \u201CPull your weight, Nicky.\u201D; \u201CDo unto others as you would like them to do unto you.\u201D; \u201CIf you can\u2019t say anything nice, don\u2019t say anything at all.\u201D\u2014God knows how that works in a place like this! \u201CWork hard.\u201D; \u201CMake the most of everything.\u201D; and the most powerful: \u201CYou can do it!\u201D. That was from my mum, and it could have been a subversive feminist message, except it was coupled with a wail: \u201CWhy do you always have to beat all the boys at tennis?\u201D. And always, although we read English literature at school, studied the history of Europe and knew that \u201CA Fin\u2014To the End\u201D was the motto of our Scottish clan, we were always New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EMy parents took me, a babe in arms, on their OE. My dad worked for a construction company and my mum was eternally grateful to Mr Zelinski who never heard a sound through the thin boarding-house walls, even though I screamed all night. But they were not \u201Cbrain drainers\u201D. They had a look at the world and came home with the conviction that our family were New Zealanders by birth but also by choice. They loved the history and culture of the UK and Europe but felt compromised by the engrained class system and the cost of participation. They returned to New Zealand to continue their family, and for the opportunities that abounded in this young country. They came back for economic security and quality of life. In those days we were rated No. 3 in the OECD for economics and also No. 3 for health outcomes for infants. Would my mum and dad have made the same decision today, looking at our low-wage economy and our present infant mortality rate? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EI have two brothers. They are both living and raising their families in Australia. I have two sons. They are both in the process of doing their OE. I hate the fact that over the last 40 years or so our standard of living and the opportunities for our young people have steadily eroded. Nowadays, a skilled worker is instantly and substantially better off financially simply by moving to Australia. And the weather is better! I hate the thought that New Zealand is the birthplace, the nurturer, and the educator of a whole generation who may return that investment to another country. Do members remember the anguish of the people of Hamelin after the Pied Piper had lured all their children away? We must not let that happen in New Zealand. I swell with pride when frequently overseas people tell me: \u201CI have always wanted to go to New Zealand. It\u2019s so beautiful, so clean, and so green.\u201D I swell with pride, but it is nothing to do with me. Yes, New Zealand is beautiful and mostly clean and green but that is mainly because we have had so few people here in our country that we have not messed it up yet. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EMy own city of Christchurch has the best and purest water in the world\u2014this stuff here is yuck in comparison\u2014but do not think for one minute it is because Christchurch people have carefully protected and conserved their water. We got a lucky geographical break\u2014a layer of silt that has kept the aquifers clean. I know that all Kiwis care about their environment. I know that Christchurch people love their clean water, and now that we can all plainly see that our environment is in real danger, all of us have to play a part in doing something about it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EI admire courage; all types of courage. Sometimes it takes real courage just to get up in the morning and get our kids off to school. But I particularly admire the courage of those who have a vision for the future and are prepared to go out and get it. I think of all the seafarers who set sail for this island, Aotearoa New Zealand, in search of a better future. How many canoes and how many ships were lost at sea? How many people perished on the way? I think of those who pioneered settlements here, and who died from starvation or exposure before they could create their homes or villages. Our ancestors made the country we have today. They built it with hard work\u2014and I hope a bit of play\u2014with blood and sweat, but also with love, often in loneliness and misery, but always with the belief that they were voyaging, adventuring, striving, and fighting for a better future for themselves and for their families, so we can sit comfortably in this House tonight. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EAnd these are not lost values of the past. Just last week I was talking to an immigrant taxi-driver who had been a teacher in his home country. He drove a taxi because his family\u2019s first financial duty was to the next generation, so that they would have more choices and they would not have to drive his taxi. And he has been successful. He proudly told me that his son had just graduated as a lawyer and his daughter had nearly finished a double degree in computer science. He hoped that they would remember him in his old age. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EEveryone can, and should, take part in building a better New Zealand for themselves and for future generations. It is the very best kind of team sport, because every Kiwi has something valuable to offer, and we need every one of them to join the game. And, as my grandmother said: \u201CYou only get out of life what you put in.\u201D There might be times when we find ourselves on the benches, but it is our job to get focused and fit and on to \u201CTeam New Zealand\u201D again. None of us is off the hook. Well, perhaps some of us are. Some have already done their bit\u2014people like my pop. My father-in-law, 88 years of age and frail, is the heart of our family and he is up in the balcony, right there. Pop, at 20, went off to World War II with the 36th Battalion, and he ended up at Guadalcanal. Many of his mates were killed there, and he was wounded twice. But like many of his generation he talks only of the lighter side of his experience, like the time he hitched a ride with a US soldier back to the Kiwi camp and was asked: \u201CIs that anywhere near the K-one-W-one sign, with the picture of the fat-arsed duck?\u201D. There are lots of Kiwis like my pop. They went out and battled for New Zealand when times were tough, but now they are old and a bit tired. And we who have never had to face a world war, we who have got soft, living beyond our means, need to remember them. I am ashamed when I see the chronic underfunding of elderly care by this Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EBut now back to that minority group\u2014those 300,000 people who work enormously long hours, often in substandard conditions, and cannot claim overtime, redundancy, or maternity leave. Their jobs and their incomes are totally exposed to local and global economic shifts, and their risks and responsibilities continue, regardless of ill health or misfortune. This group includes men and women of all ages and all races. Many of these people are new immigrants, women with children, and people who have been made redundant. Many have low levels of education, and all worry from day to day about their future and the future of those who depend on them. These people are the self-employed and owner-operators of small businesses employing fewer than 20 workers. They make up 97 percent of all New Zealand businesses, and they want to send a message to this Government: \u201CLeave us alone. Pick on someone your own size. The smaller we are, the tougher you are on us. It might cost the big boys $500 a year in compliance costs but we little fellows are paying over $2,800 a year. It\u2019s too much. Give us a break. Many of us are earning only wages, and the only time we hear from you is when you make more rules, want an Accident Compensation Corporation payment, or slap on another tax. And what\u2019s this about letting the big companies off paying carbon tax, but nailing us? We\u2019re the ones who have created most of the productive jobs in the last few years, not the Government. We\u2019re the ones who will pay the price as the economy contracts. In fact, many of us who export are already losing money, but hoping that the dollar will drop so that our businesses will survive. There is no incentive. It\u2019s getting too hard, and this Government understands us so little that it has made a trade unionist our Minister. There seems to be only one good thing about being self-employed, and that is when times are tough you can\u2019t be fired. You just keep on going to work to earn less and less.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003ESo, to conclude, New Zealand according to Nicky Wagner is a wonderfully endowed, beautiful country but we need to look after it much better. Strong families built this country, but we, the present generation, are free-riding on the efforts of those who have gone before. We are not looking after our elderly properly, and we run the risk of losing the next generation to the more productive, faster-growing economies overseas. We are too tough on those who are working hard to get ahead, especially the self-employed and the small-business owner-operators, and there is no incentive for New Zealanders to invest in a smarter future as long as we are overtaxed and under-appreciated. I believe that every New Zealander needs to take personal responsibility for his or her own future, and the future of this country, because no organisation, and certainly no Government, can be flexible enough to manage a world where change is the only constant, and the unexpected is the norm. But all is not lost. Just as our ancestors, each and every one of them, took up the challenge of building a better country for future generations, so can we. I am keen, so let us get cracking.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u0022827034675ac8415caa41cbce1d4882ac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022827034675ac8415caa41cbce1d4882ac\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Minister of Energy):\u003C/span\u003E Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a264670ca6064889b0701d5e30b83787\u0022\u003EGerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Who\u2019s this guy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207ee51f70c6e455d9fc7e995ba9197fd\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: The speaker is actually David Parker, if Mr Brownlee does not know me. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EFirst of all, I would like to pay my respects and welcome new members on all sides to the House. I hope that it is a rewarding experience for them and that they go about their duties wisely. It is certainly a privilege to be here. I congratulate the Speaker, Margaret Wilson, on her reappointment. I congratulate Clem Simich on his elevation to the role of Deputy Speaker, which I am sure he will fulfil very well, and also H V Ross Robertson and Ann Hartley on their appointments as Assistant Speakers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b90dcd14f474293a26d334412845fd2\u0022\u003EGerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: When are the lights going out?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297497b11f0ef4e2fb8a31ccf19f87e3e\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Probably when that member speaks next. When Mr Muldoon left power in the mid-1980s, New Zealand\u2019s economy was in tatters. Government debt totalled 70 percent of GDP, and one dollar in five of tax collected was spent on interest. Indeed, had it not been for the substantial restructuring of the Labour Government the following year, it is predicted that the amount would have ballooned in short order to one dollar in four. So when Mr Muldoon left this economy in tatters it was up to the Labour Government\u2019s wise fiscal and economic policies to pull us out of the mire\u2014and they have. This Government has reduced Government debt substantially to under 25 percent of GDP, and now, instead of one dollar in five of all tax revenue being spent on interest, it is one dollar in 20.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E Against that background, I was very surprised that for the first time since Mr Muldoon left this economy in tatters a major New Zealand political party was promising unaffordable tax cuts that would have required, on its own figures, the Government to increase Government debt\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4e9cee2b22e4216b5b4c0cf1856b8dc\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I say to members that I am not able to hear the member on my right, and I will not allow that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b047012c49644a13a0e5233da815aae5\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I trust that that will not come out of my time. A major political party was promising such extreme, unaffordable tax cuts that it would have meant, even on National\u2019s own numbers, that Government debt would have increased by billions of dollars and, perhaps more important, as a proportion of GDP.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9940c2652a942179e3e95632d04c724\u0022\u003EGerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. You have cut us off from interjecting on this member. I understand that he is new and needs protection, but I do feel\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b9065c3617746d586f85c92269c80fb\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: No\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c15f867502e04d45bf56122dd57dc542\u0022\u003EGerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I have a point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb99289a47894575a129c6555cdcc235\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: The member should come to the point, then.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bfe1d1d645dc4aba9e28d9bc6e96536d\u0022\u003EGerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: The point I make is that although it is appropriate in a debate to introduce debating material and, therefore, to have considerable interjection when that material becomes a little bit difficult for people to take, I suggest that this member might help himself if he read the Treasury briefing papers that completely refute everything he has been saying for the last 3 minutes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b44741966464080a920cf3f4aafd18d\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. I make the point that the Speaker will not allow a member to be drowned out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294c02ef549664091bd40a5725854433c\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: In dealing with that not-a-point of order, we just heard Mr Brownlee\u2019s denial of the truth that National\u2019s unaffordable tax cuts would increase Government debt by billions of dollars. For his information, I will quote from an interview between Mr Key and Alistair Thompson on 24 August: \u201COn the numbers we put out last week, we would borrow $3.3 billion more.\u201D That would be over the first 3-year term. So I tell Mr Brownlee to go and check his numbers; he cannot even add up billions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EIn any event, it does not hurt to pause and remind ourselves that we are one of the most privileged nations on earth. On virtually every OECD measurement, New Zealand is near the top. Be it for the quality of our health services, the educational attainment of our school leavers, the longevity of our people, the cleanliness of our environment, the sustainability of our superannuation arrangements, our high growth rate, or our low unemployment rate, we rank at just about the top of the developed world. Many people from other parts of the developed world look to us as an example\u2014as a country with low and dropping crime rates, and with moderate rates of taxation, which is a topic I will return to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThat does not mean we should be complacent, but it does mean we should consider whether radical change is necessary. Members should make no mistake: what National was proposing at the last election was radical change. Whether through unaffordable tax cuts or a foreign policy blindly aligned with the United States\u2019 on issues like Iraq or nuclear matters, Dr Brash\u2019s agenda was to move New Zealand radically to the right, for the benefit of a few at the cost of the many. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EBut what did voters want? Voters asked themselves that question. Did they want tolerance or intolerance? How did those voters\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cca6c07a67e7434d88dc977e9a8508eb\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I would like members to look at Speakers\u2019 ruling 57/3. I think it might help the debate to progress in an orderly manner.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224dbf3044f1a44f57afd91d3f31d6167e\u0022\u003EGerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. If you are going to bring out Speakers\u2019 rulings, then you will also understand that when a member poses a question in his or her speech that is so patently stupid, there can only be an expectation that it will be refuted. This is the Minister who will preside over the lights going out in this country, and over industries probably having to close because he has his mind closed to the problems of his own ministry, yet he asks these dopey questions about whether the country would have been better off with a National Government. Everyone knows that it would have been.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002234cfb2aa47ab4e90b45d922a4568fb33\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Speakers\u2019 ruling 45/7 relates to the matter of asking questions of members on the other side of the House who do not have the floor. So I just caution the member about the way he addresses the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d422d92c0e424c359bfafa5a0bfae59e\u0022\u003ELindsay Tisch\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. When the member is making allegations that are completely and blatantly wrong and misleading, you must expect that our members will want to bring a fair perspective to the truth and reality. That can be achieved only by interjections, and if you stifle interjections from this side, then it becomes blatantly unfair. If the member wants to bring some accuracy, fairness, and equity to the debate, then he wants to stick to the facts as opposed to making up things that become debatable issues. So I ask that you instruct the new member over there to get his facts right, otherwise there will be interjections from this side.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff67415787a54098babe1e5486ad0601\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I again refer members to Speakers\u2019 ruling 57/3: \u201CInterjections \u2026 are out of order unless they are rare and reasonable;\u201D, relevant and restrained.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227906c7cf52cd414dbfb01117c34f59ad\u0022\u003EJohn Key\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I wonder whether you might want to check with the Minister about whether he actually does want to be heard in silence, because, as you will be aware, he is not giving interviews on any of his portfolios. He does not want to be heard at all by the media, and if he does not want to be heard by the media, I would be surprised at his wanting to be heard by the Opposition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228f4528575f5428cb7cb0a47842581c8\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: No, that is not a point of order, and the member knows it; he has been here long enough. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8e4c748fce84494bc96fb2ce080cbba\u0022\u003EGerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002221d0363b5c3b4894959687112dead33d\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: It had better be a fresh point of order, Mr Brownlee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e24e8ff73924017bd560a8e67ed0826\u0022\u003EGerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: It will be very helpful to the House. I think that the National Opposition should hear this man in absolute silence, because we want the nation to hear what an incompetent he really is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228540f1ac34274f719fe17518c01555c2\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: No. The member will be seated. The member has a senior position; he knows better.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002248ad938b149b412b85d548cd72959bba\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker, I take it that this is not coming off my allocation of time? There has been more time spent on points of order\u2014[Interruption] I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a36d97bc7224f6b9bb04f4bf35e0dee\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: It has not been taken off your time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222dc67d90fc744b909b04b58ce1ac54b8\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: National does not like it, but voters did have a choice. Did they want tolerance or intolerance? Many voters felt threatened by the foreshore and seabed legislation. Labour steered a course that preserved everyone\u2019s right of access across the foreshore and seabed, and we avoided violent protest\u2014some would say, just. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EGiven that recent controversy I would not have pushed race relations hard, yet National proposed to. That did not seem prudent to me. Dr Brash was willing to risk race relations by unilaterally abolishing the M\u0101ori seats, which have existed for over 100 years. What motivated that? Was it because M\u0101ori did not fit Dr Brash\u2019s view of mainstream New Zealanders? Let us think about that. What did he mean by mainstream New Zealanders? Were they low-paid or middle-class workers? No, no. Were they widows relying on the domestic purposes benefit? I doubt it. Were they superannuitants just getting by on superannuation? I doubt that, too\u2014the rich or the poor, the tolerant or the intolerant? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EI think we can judge from the links between Dr Brash, the National Party, and the Exclusive Brethren\u2014those links that Dr Brash was forced to admit he had told inconsistent things about, and was forced to apologise for. What was he hiding? What was he ashamed of? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EOf course, the Exclusive Brethren is not a moderate church group. It has been fairly described in one of New Zealand\u2019s leading newspapers as the Taliban of New Zealand\u2019s religious sects. It is true. Its rules state that its members have to marry within the sect, that they must not watch television, and that women are not permitted to work outside the home. Its members are not allowed to go to university and they are not allowed even to read novels. That the National Party\u2019s agenda suited the Exclusive Brethren rightly worried voters as much as it worried me. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EAgainst that background, we really have to wonder how desperate National members were to try to buy their way on to the Treasury benches with unaffordable tax cut promises. They admitted that their tax cuts would cost $7 billion more than Labour\u2019s would. In fact, Mr Key, in the interview I quoted from before, said the National Party admitted that, on its numbers, it would be forced to borrow $3.3 billion more over the first 3 years. What did the commentators say? Economist Brian Easton stated: \u201CLabour\u2019s tax cuts are not only smaller but they are probably within the acceptable fiscal parameters, \u2026 But if Labour\u2019s cuts hover just out of the imprudence range, National\u2019s are much larger. They admit they are going to have to borrow to finance them. \u2026 The fact of the matter is that National\u2019s tax cuts will raise its borrowing faster than GDP growth.\u201D It was not me or the Labour Party saying that\u2014it was an independent economist. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThe excuse National used is that it would borrow for capital expenditure. What a nonsense! Every Government has capital expenditure every year\u2014for new hospitals, new classrooms, new hospital equipment, and new roads. The fact of the matter is that National\u2019s budget did not balance and that it would have had to borrow more money than would otherwise have been required. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EIn contrast, Labour\u2019s tax cuts are focused on families. They deliver more than $100\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d4487149f0b4179b16a7be399f3b47e\u0022\u003EPhil Heatley\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The member is reading from a document written by an independent economist to back up his speech, and I was wondering whether he could table the Labour Party pamphlet at the end of his speech.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a98f59886d842e2b93af94869b62193\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: The member will be seated. That is not a point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d45570ef5e5f4a9889430b8697c42f8c\u0022\u003EDarren Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228dc75f5824374067884cbf99e9923a74\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I have already dealt with it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002255179fbcbb80454c8f304445ce1f7113\u0022\u003EDarren Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: There have been six points of order during this speech: three from Mr Brownlee and one each from Mr Key, Mr Tisch, and now Mr Heatley, as well. [Interruption] I know that the Opposition has to borrow to make up those numbers, but we know numbers over here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003EThe point I am trying to make is that none of the points of order have been proper points of order. They have been deliberately designed to break up my colleague\u2019s speech, which is disorderly of itself. I do not know what happened over the dinner break in the National Party caucus, but if those members want to show off to one another, how about they find a better place to do it than Parliament? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ecc6e7337f3478cadc93a604a7c9f26\u0022\u003EGerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I wonder whether that member can count, not only to six but all the way to 328\u2014the very thin majority that he managed to hold last time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff8af164f44c4ef1b3844866e120031c\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I am on my feet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022721e402515a24dc1b8766f7a849d8a1f\u0022\u003EGerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: He certainly could not count to 5,000 or 6,000\u2014the number of votes he lost to Nathan Guy in the last election.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228f87c6b8c28f40b69b95149c48e438fe\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I am on my feet. The member has his first yellow card.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002256243eee29cb444389747be53546c780\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Our tax cuts were focused on families with children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d86fe94002543d281834491c6289b5a\u0022\u003ERodney Hide\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I appreciate that Mr Brownlee got a yellow card for talking while you were on your feet, but while Mr Brownlee was on his feet making a point of order, Darren Hughes levelled an entire stream of abuse at Mr Brownlee. I think it is only fair that he receives a yellow card\u2014just as three All Blacks did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002265d72e8f896b4692a9f966693ddfd7ff\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. If Mr Hughes did that during a point of order, I ask him to withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c437bda8-4741-4ac5-89ab-b0818e1ab9fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bcb889fadacf4b4cb7b4ed21188248d8\u0022\u003EDarren Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8c9be4964414a8993d9d2016217856a\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, it has been noted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dfbd8bb1bf82414fb18fdcadabd11110\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Our tax package was focused on families with children because the gap\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9a16f31fe9e48eeb0603036f43a714d\u0022\u003EHon Tau Henare\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I have looked through the Standing Orders of the House of Representatives and, just as a point of clarification, I cannot actually find reference to the yellow card in there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209413a5c13d341f89c58f3f34b2627e5\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: That is not a point of order. The member should know better, as he has been in this House before. This is a first warning to Mr Henare. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca2dccea3dd5440caa1bf6671e3b92c9\u0022\u003EHon Tau Henare\u003C/span\u003E: It is a legitimate point of order that two of my colleagues have apparently been yellow-carded. I respectfully say that nothing in the Standing Orders states that a member can be yellow-carded.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cde0ff41bc824fa3831f6437d23e7dab\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. The figure is wrong. There is one, and it is only a figure of speech.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de2e182f11c741b0861f0481ffcbe56d\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Labour\u2019s tax package is focused on families with children because the gap between the well-off and the poor grew markedly during the 1990s. Only the top 20 percent of households went forward\u2014the middle 60 percent stayed where they were, and the bottom 20 percent went backwards. In New Zealand, which was once known as the land of plenty, thousands more families were having to use food banks every week. That is another reason why tax cuts ought to be focused on families with children\u2014as ours are. Despite that history, National\u2019s tax cuts would give more to those who are already well off by borrowing billions that could be repaid only by either taxpayers\u2019 children or the tooth fairy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022 data-id=\u0022c1d1bf56cf5c44b4bc42fad92f261795\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c1d1bf56cf5c44b4bc42fad92f261795\u0022\u003ECRAIG FOSS (National\u2014Tukituki):\u003C/span\u003E I offer my congratulations to Madam Speaker, her Deputy Speaker, and her Assistant Speakers on their recent election. I am honoured that 17,239 voters from the electorate of Tukituki have chosen me to be their representative in Parliament. Ticking the name \u201CCraig Foss\u201D in the polling booth is a very good habit to get into, indeed. I am in awe of the traditions and the integrity of this House, and of the great leaders who have gone before me in this House. I commit myself to doing my best to uphold those traditions. I am fearful of the impact that being an MP may have on my family. Dad is already missing his girls. I am fearful of the faceless and grey bureaucratic machine that, I am told, actually runs the country and can wear one down. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EI am now the member of Parliament for Tukituki. Six months ago I would have wondered how to fill up a 15-minute speech. Now I worry that I do not have enough time. I have attended my first caucus, and it may have been noticed that I am not good at breathing through my nose and sitting in the back row. I have shouted my first interjection. Admittedly, on reflection, given the nerves, it was a bit of a muffled mumble, but I am sure practice will make perfect. I have sat on my first select committee. Does anyone really read all those papers? I have signed my first taxi chit, and today I deliver my maiden speech. I love being the member of Parliament for Tukituki. Being here is absolutely everything. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EI need to acknowledge some special people. My wife, Kristal\u2014who is in the gallery\u2014and I met, fell in love, left our jobs of 7 years, married, and left New Zealand for London, all in the space of 9 months. That was 12 years ago. I have dragged Kristal all over the world: from Wellington to London, to Tokyo, to Sydney, and now home to Hawke\u2019s Bay. Kristal is my rock. Her love for me and our family is my bedrock, and I promise to try to slow down a bit soon. We have two gorgeous daughters, Sophie and Laura. When I give them a goodnight kiss, I whisper to each of them that she is a clever, an intelligent, and a beautiful girl with lots of common sense and a wonderful future. They are both so talented and make their parents so proud. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EMy own parents, Rosemary and Ray\u2014who are also in the gallery\u2014could not have provided a better upbringing for my brother, my sister, and me. But I do not think I have ever done, nor will I ever do, anything wrong in the eyes of my mum. It should come as no surprise that I am doing very well in her preferred Prime Minister stakes. My older sister, Sharon, my younger brother, Brett, their partners, Alan and Leonie, their children, Claire and Mikayla, Kristal\u2019s dad, Graham, and her brother Nick are also in the gallery tonight. I thank them so much for being here. Even the Bendas\u2014they are now in Hansard. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003ETo my party leader, Don Brash, and to the party president, Judy Kirk, I say thank you so much. My good mate\u2014my running mate\u2014Chris Tremain and I are, together, very loudly and proudly the voice of Hawke\u2019s Bay. I say thank you very much to my campaign team, who are up in the back corner of the gallery, particularly to Tony Mossman, Todd Hansen, and the National Party from Tukituki, who kept our organisation humming while a member from the Labour side of the House borrowed our seat for a while. I also acknowledge those who have passed away\u2014some far to early, to be fair, but their pride will be with us tonight. Of course, I say a great big \u201Cgidday\u201D to friends who are listening on the radio. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EI am a fighter, and I fight for what is right and for what is fair. I am always happy being the tortoise and never the hare. In business, as my career has shown, I just get stuck straight in and let the results speak for themselves. I was born on 4 July 1963, American Independence Day. Perhaps that is why I am such a strong advocate of personal freedom. Tait\u0101 Kindergarten, Tait\u0101 Rugby Club, Fraser Park Squash Club, Avalon Primary School, Naenae Intermediate, Naenae College, and the AFS exchange programme have all made me the person I am today. When I was 8 years old, the standard 1 pupils of Avalon Primary School made the fatal mistake of electing me as their class chairperson. I was hooked. Throughout my life I have always ended up as chairperson of this or monitor of that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EAs a 10-year-old, long after my parents had tucked me into bed and turned out the lights, I used to listen to Parliament on my transistor radio. I can still hear Rob Muldoon dishing it out to all-comers in this Chamber. Perhaps my rugby mates from the Hutt Old Boys J7s had a premonition when they gave me the nickname of Winston, after Winston Churchill. We were awarded the Griffiths Memorial Trophy in 1983, in spite of the scumbags amongst us, for the best and fairest team. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EI now represent the electorate of Tukituki, which takes in a great part of Hawke\u2019s Bay: the Hawke\u2019s Bay wine country. In 2000 my wife and I decided to return to New Zealand. Choosing to live in Hawke\u2019s Bay was a very easy choice to make. The climate is superb and the sky is normally a permanent National Party blue. The drivers wave \u201Cgidday\u201D with their full hands, not with the one or two fingers that I became used to in London. Life is laid back, but hard work is expected and valued. The renaissance of Hawke\u2019s Bay over recent years has rested upon our traditional strengths of farming, agriculture, horticulture, and viticulture, and now cafe culture, M\u0101ori culture, and tourism. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EThere is an abundance of MPs in our region: Dr Cullen, Mr Horomia, Mr Fairbrother, and Mr Barker. I sincerely hope that together we can work to solve issues, such as funding for the Hawke\u2019s Bay Opera House, and the ownership structure of our airport and the lengthening of its runway. I also acknowledge Dr Pita Sharples, who was born in Takapau and who was also the first chairman of Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu, in 1984. It is also interesting to note that the very first M\u0101ori Parliament sat in Hastings, on Waipatu Marae, in 1892. It ceased sitting in 1901, with the introduction of the M\u0101ori Land Board. It is ironic now that 104 years later a M\u0101ori Party has arisen from disputes over M\u0101ori title to land. Central Hawke\u2019s Bay is the home of political legends: Holyoake, Harrison, McIntyre, and Falloon. I will do my best to serve their legends well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EHawke\u2019s Bay is also the nursery of many sporting heroes, artists, musicians, and business leaders. But Hawke\u2019s Bay has too many councils. Hastings mayor Lawrence Yule and Napier mayor Barbara Arnott are doing a fantastic job. But I am sure they have taken note that 35,000 voters gave Chris Tremain and me an endorsement as we campaigned in one voice, first for Hawke\u2019s Bay and then for our electorates. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EWe have such a stunning country, with so much potential. Yet we keep shooting ourselves in the foot with social and economic polices that result in over 400,000 New Zealanders choosing to live in countries that have not followed the Kyoto Protocol, that have lower tax structures, that have First World health services, that have transparent educational standards, and that have strong defence relationships with our traditional allies. It is a disgrace that New Zealand exports its best and brightest to those same economies. The world is a tough and a dangerous place. We have enemies, whether we like it or not. We need allies. We will not always agree with them, but we need them, just in case. It is with the same caution that I am wary of entering into free-trade agreements with emerging superpowers when we are yet to have them with our traditional allies. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003ELand-based industries are the bedrock and engine room of the New Zealand economy. But fluffy policy such as Kyoto, which results in New Zealand exporting raw coal and raw logs to Asia and then importing them as cheap finished products, does not seem to be the way to grow New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EThe dependency drug pushed into M\u0101ori by Labour, and paid for by M\u0101ori votes, is killing an entire race. That the M\u0101ori Party has emerged and flourished under a Labour Government must be the final proof required that the welfare state, in its present form, has failed. Governments should listen carefully: tax is not their money; it is the taxpayers. The bigger the Government, the harder those in the private sector have to work to counter the Government. How would members feel if they were paid their gross salary or wage in cash, and then had the Minister of Finance whip in, rip open the packet, take as many notes as he felt appropriate, and say: \u201CThank you very much.\u201D? That is exactly what the PAYE system is. Why should we not be paid our gross salary, and then, in a completely separate transaction, on another day perhaps, make our payment of taxes to the Government? That would certainly keep the borax on Government spending. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EI am tired of waiting for some parents to demonstrate even a glimpse of personal responsibility, in return for the investment that the State makes in them. When assistance intended for children is siphoned away from children\u2019s needs into the immediate wants of the adults, the State has every single right to intervene. The delivery mechanisms for all State assistance must be examined. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003ETo the best of my knowledge, I have no M\u0101ori blood in me, whatsoever. My neck is occasionally red, but that is from the Hawke\u2019s Bay sun, or from failing to put the No. 30 sunblock on. On the marae at Waim\u0101rama I feel the love, the energy, and perhaps, the life force that is driving me to learn and discover so much more. But I also ask, as I begin to recognise and acknowledge the place that M\u0101ori have in our culture, that it be recognised that I too am deeply rooted into, and anchored to, this great land. It is my home. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003ENew Zealand apple-growers are paying dearly for an Australian domestic political problem. Normally I admire and respect the Aussies for their hard attitude. But the blocking of New Zealand apple access is not fair. It is not in the spirit of CER, and I will continue to fight for what is fair. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003ENew Zealand has an incredible environment. On our farm we have planted thousands of native trees, created wetlands, fenced off streams, got rid of the possums, and protected old M\u0101ori burial caves, not because a law has been passed but because it is the right thing to do. I let people walk across our farm, as long as they ask, not because a law has been passed but because it is the right thing to do. That is the Kiwi way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EMy 15 minutes is nearly up. Have I mentioned to Dr Don Brash that I would like to put in an early bid to be Minister of Sport in 2011? I ask him to note that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003E There is a new energy in this House. There is a new beginning. It is about pride, it is about respect, and it is about trust. It is about New Zealand. It is time to stop living in a New Zealand of rhetoric and old slogans. It is time to stop raving on about \u201Cpremium this\u201D and \u201Cvalue-added that\u201D, while current economic and social policies drive New Zealanders, clutching one-way tickets, into the departure lounge. If we do not address these issues immediately, we will all be email grandparents. If people see my passion for New Zealand as naive, and if they see my emotion for my country as a weakness, then they are very wrong, because those are my greatest strengths. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022 data-id=\u00227059c83c4c624fb3a6b3c400386590ca\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227059c83c4c624fb3a6b3c400386590ca\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I am very pleased to take a call in this debate. Let me congratulate you, Mr Deputy Speaker, on your election and also Ross Robertson, Ann Hartley, and the Hon Margaret Wilson on the positions they continue to hold in this Parliament. I am sure they will serve the House extremely well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI would also like to pay tribute to the new members of this House. We have heard many maiden speeches already in the last week or so, and I have enjoyed listening to all of them, even though I have not agreed with most of them. It would appear that we are moving away from the long-held parliamentary convention of not making personal attacks or negative personal remarks in maiden speeches. I do think that is a shame. It is something that we need to keep an eye on, lest it get away from us. Certainly, when I made my maiden speech, it was made very clear to me by the Rt Hon Jonathan Hunt that the convention was to talk about oneself and one\u2019s aspirations, and not to attack other members of this House for what they may or may not have done on the campaign trail. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EFirstly, I would like to record my condolences to the Green Party and its members on the loss of their co-leader, Rod Donald. I sat on the Justice and Electoral Committee; Mr Donald never ceased to amaze me with his incredible breadth and depth of knowledge on electoral law. He will be sorely missed on that point, and for everything else as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI would also like to record my condolences at the loss of David Lange. As I grew up in a Labour Party household, David Lange played a fairly significant part, not just in politics but also because my father graduated in law at Auckland University, and David Lange was one of the people who mentored him. My father still has in his possession a matchbox that David Lange wrote a brief on the back of to help him out at one of his first trials. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI also remember the 1996 campaign. I went back home from university to help campaign with my mother, and David Lange came to help out. He went out to my old intermediate school and talked about Telecom New Zealand. One of the students asked him whether he had met Spot, the Telecom dog. David Lange replied, to a hall full of five hundred 10 and 11-year-olds: \u201CIf I ever saw Spot, the Telecom dog, I would kick him!\u201D. He then went on to explain eloquently why he disagreed with the commercialisation of telecommunications, but I fear that that part of it was lost on the 10 and 11-year-olds at Ilminster Intermediate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI would like to talk briefly about one of the key policies for Labour in this election campaign, which is the policy of charging no interest on student loans. I see that Dr the Hon Lockwood Smith is in the House. I heard him make his speech last week and refer to himself as the proud architect of the student loan policy. Well, when I was at university, Dr Lockwood Smith was so proud of his student loans policy that he was climbing out of the windows of university buildings in order to avoid talking to students about it. If one had had a student loan at the time, one would understand why that was the case. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EUnder Dr Lockwood Smith\u2019s scheme, my compulsory repayments did not even come close to covering the interest on my student loan. When I left university, my student loan ended up being thousands more dollars than the amount I had actually borrowed at the time, despite my being a full-time student for that entire period. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EUnder the scheme of Dr Lockwood Smith and the National Party, which they are so proud of, some graduates faced the very real prospect of never ever paying off their student loans. Many graduates knew they would probably die still with their student loan, having paid to the Government over the course of their lifetime 10 percent of every single dollar they earned, in order to cover the interest. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003ERemoving interest repayments from student loans will make a real difference to young people in this country. The National Party tries to tell us that 100 percent of enrolled students will now go and max out their loans\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d6ed2803fb54c6cb15e862f6feb3d86\u0022\u003EDr the Hon Lockwood Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. If the Labour member is going to attribute things to another member in this House, she should at least take the trouble to get them accurate. She made a statement a moment ago that, under a student loan scheme I designed, interest that was not covered by payments made, accumulated\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227421ddd033341e0a9069906fef179ae\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That is not a point of order. That can be corrected at the end of the speech.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a8d9f01e4ac9476a80911845a32fcda0\u0022\u003EDr the Hon Lockwood Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. If she is going to bring a member into it\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb57d29d071d46769468854cbb9ef193\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, the member would like assurance. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022670ac76df4224485af36bfe7bde5bd1e\u0022\u003EDr the Hon Lockwood Smith\u003C/span\u003E: She should not do that. If she is talking about the policy in general, there is no problem, but if she brings me into it personally, she should get the information correct. Her information was false.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225fbc487737b2418b8fd17fe7122abee8\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Dr Smith. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022221f3e900e114bf78693156f88087ad5\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I will mention that to the Inland Revenue Department, who charged me all that interest then! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EThe National Party is trying to tell us that 100 percent of all enrolled students will now max out their student loans, particularly the living allowance portion, because of this policy. But, of course, more than half of the enrolled students study part time, so they are not actually eligible for the living allowance portion of the loan. If they study part year, part time, they also are not eligible for the course costs; they are eligible to have only their fees paid by the student loan, which goes directly to the tertiary institution. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EThose who do study full time could potentially take out that weekly living allowance and invest it, if that is what they wanted to do\u2014but they could do that now. There is no interest now on loans while students study. If they wanted to, they could take out that money and invest it. Then, when they graduate, they could pay back the loan they borrowed and keep the interest. In fact, that is what the National Party said would happen when Labour introduced a policy of having no interest on student loans for students while they were studying full time. Now we hear from the National Party that no one will pay it back because, with the incentive of the accumulating interest, there would be no incentive in order for people to make voluntary repayments. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EAs someone who actually has a student loan, which will be gone by the time this policy is implemented, I can say that the interest on my student loan was the biggest disincentive to making any voluntary repayments that there was. The biggest incentive to making a voluntary payment on a student loan is finally seeing a light at the end of the tunnel and realising that in a few months\u2019 time one will get back 10 percent of one\u2019s salary, which one has not seen since 1996, despite the fact that in that time one has repaid the student loan\u2014the value actually borrowed\u2014three times over in interest alone. If charging interest was a disincentive against borrowing and an incentive to pay back, we would not have the credit card debt in this country that we have now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EOne of the important things about this policy, which really goes untalked about, is that it provides an incentive for graduates to remain in New Zealand. I have a number of friends overseas who said to me over the course of the election campaign that if Labour were elected, they would return to New Zealand under the amnesty period promised by this Government in order to straighten out their student loans, and come and get a job back in New Zealand. We have heard a lot of National Party members talking in their maiden speech about those people who were overseas. So I am surprised that they do not support such a bold move, which will incentivise people to return home to New Zealand, and to stay in New Zealand following graduation, in order to pay the loan off. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EThis policy very much fits into the vision of this Labour-led Government, and I am proud to stand here as a member of this third-term Labour-led Government. I congratulate the Rt Hon Helen Clark on the fantastic job she did in what at times was a very nasty and a very underhand election campaign. This Government represents all New Zealanders. We went into the election campaign wanting to represent every single New Zealander in this country. We did not pick and choose which New Zealanders we thought deserved representation. We decided that a Government in New Zealand should aim to represent everyone, even though not everyone necessarily agreed with us on everything. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EWe are a Government that chooses not to pit New Zealanders against New Zealanders, and it amazes me that the National Party, a party that showed such disdain to significant numbers of New Zealanders in our society during the campaign, can claim to be nation-builders. How can a party that had such backward and offensive views on M\u0101ori\u2014and I heard them during the election campaign\u2014claim to be the party that will solve race relations in New Zealand? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EIt has been interesting to watch the mutual admiration society forming between the National Party and the M\u0101ori Party. I had no doubt during the campaign\u2014and the eradicator is chipping in; I mentioned the word \u201CM\u0101ori\u201D and he rose to his feet\u2014that the M\u0101ori Party could go with the National Party. I was called a liar for saying that, but I have been proven right. I had no doubt that National would backtrack on everything it said in the \u014Crewa speech in order to get power. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003ENational talked a lot about the mainstream. And what did the mainstream mean? It meant the Exclusive Brethren. National claimed not to be concerned about the fact the Exclusive Brethren were helping out. Why, then, did Dr Brash lie about meeting with representatives of the Exclusive Brethren if he was not concerned about it? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EThe reality is that Dr Brash\u2019s idea of a non-mainstream New Zealander is anyone who does not look or sound like Dr Brash and who stubbornly refuses to look and sound like Dr Brash. It is those pesky women who think that it is not enough that we gave them the vote 100 years ago but now actually want to be paid the same as men, as well; it is those selfish union members who cannot understand that somehow losing pay and conditions is good for the country; and it is those M\u0101ori with their fake war dances and poking out of tongues who will not accept that their lives would be so much better if they behaved and acted like P\u0101keh\u0101. Anyone who is not mainstream, or who does not hold National Party mainstream values, is PC. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EWhat was the National Party\u2019s answer? It was the eradicator\u2014the right-wing superhero eradicator, upholding the rights of the white and the privileged across New Zealand; upholding one law for all. Why, then, is it OK to give Dr Mapp that job because his wife is a M\u0101ori but not OK to give anyone else a job because he or she is M\u0101ori? Why was I told by a local member of the National Party that the National Party\u2019s constitution says that one has to be a member of the National Party for a prerequisite number of years before one can be a candidate, unless one is a M\u0101ori; that if one is a M\u0101ori, then that prerequisite can be waived? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EWhy is it that karakia are PC but Christian prayers are not? Apparently, according to Dr Mapp, Christianity is part of our history but M\u0101ori language is not. Why, if race does not matter and is not an important factor, does Dr Brash feel compelled to tell everyone of non-European descent that his wife is from Singapore? There is a word I am not allowed to mention to describe the National Party, and this country can feel very pleased that it has a third-term Labour-led Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022 data-id=\u00222feb8e0f204f4b8ba62b6c7b2d5f083d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222feb8e0f204f4b8ba62b6c7b2d5f083d\u0022\u003EGORDON COPELAND (United Future):\u003C/span\u003E I am going to talk tonight about productivity. Buried in the Speech from the Throne\u2014we are now in the Address in Reply debate to that speech\u2014there is a reference to the confidence and supply agreement between the Labour Party and United Future. I will quote from that agreement. It states: \u201CThe Labour-led Government has agreed during this term of Parliament to adopt and implement the following broad principles, policies and priorities advanced by United Future \u2026 a review of the current business taxation regimes with the view of ensuring the system works to give better incentives for productivity gains and improved competitiveness with Australia.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EThe reference to improved competitiveness with Australia takes us immediately to the question of the corporate tax rate. Australia\u2019s rate is currently 30 percent; ours is 33 percent. It is interesting to look back at the position the various parties held in relation to the company tax rate during the election campaign. Labour\u2019s was straightforward: no way, it is not going to happen. The Greens\u2019 was straightforward: no way, it is not going to happen. National\u2019s was: well, maybe, but not until 2008. New Zealand First\u2019s was a 20 percent tax rate on profits derived from increasing exports. Jim Anderton\u2019s Progressive was to cut the rate now, and to 30 percent. The M\u0101ori Party\u2019s was also to cut the rate now\u2014I must say that that came from Monty \u014Chia, and I am not too sure what rate he was referring to; we might be enlightened on that later. ACT\u2019s was to cut the rate to 25 percent. United Future\u2019s was to cut the rate now to 30 percent, provide a 2-year tax holiday for new business start-ups, and pay a 1 percent commission on net GST, collectable up to the first $200,000 per annum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002254d0a5603b4e4003be05c5c8f35fe87f\u0022\u003ERodney Hide\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, what happened to that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f0ba393e48a4c4e9d79f655e3dddb39\u0022\u003EGORDON COPELAND\u003C/span\u003E: It is in the agreement. It is going to happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003ETherefore, the fact that all four parties in the unlikely alliance of Jim Anderton\u2019s Progressive on the extreme left, the ACT party on the extreme right, and the M\u0101ori Party and United Future in the middle are calling for immediate tax cuts actually means we will make some progress in this Parliament due to our presence here. We might have had fairly small pickings in the election result, but that particular policy of those small parties will now be picked up and advanced by this Parliament. I invite the National Party\u2014because Labour has wisely come to the conclusion that this needs to happen\u2014to also decide it should happen, and happen fast. I invite that party tonight to put its shoulder to the wheel and make sure that New Zealand companies get a reduction in their tax rate as soon as possible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EThere is, of course, a direct relationship between a lower tax rate and productivity gains. If we think it through, we come to the conclusion that a lower tax rate for companies will incentivise companies to retain more of their profit within the company, which will lower the cost of capital and give them more funds to invest, especially when compared with the personal income tax rate of 33c or 39c. That will give a spur to additional investment and, therefore, to additional productivity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EProductivity emerges very strongly in the OECD\u2019s employment statistics for 2005, and those statistics are not encouraging with regard to New Zealand\u2019s performance. New Zealand now has the highest workforce participation rate of any OECD nation. We work longer hours than the OECD average, but our productivity per worker is just US$26.40 per hour, compared with the OECD average of US$34 an hour, which is also the productivity rate for Australia. In other words, we are significantly off the pace in terms of productivity per worker compared with that average and compared with Australia. More worrying, however, is the productivity trend in New Zealand compared with our major competitors. Over the 14-year period 1990 to 2004 the annual compound productivity growth rate for New Zealand was just 1.2 percent per annum, compared with 2.2 percent in Australia and 2.6 percent in the United Kingdom. There in a nutshell we have the reason why those two countries have long since passed our standard of living. I remember that when I was younger, on a per capita basis we were actually the third wealthiest country on the planet. We are now down to 24th. Australia and the United Kingdom were quite some distance behind us in 1972; now they are way in front of us. In essence, that is the reason why the standard of living for New Zealand has declined during that period relative to the other countries I have mentioned. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EI therefore want to outline tonight some immediate steps that New Zealand needs to\u2014and, indeed, must\u2014take to increase productivity. Firstly, we need to take the message that productivity should now be a key priority to the hundreds of thousands of farms and businesses, large and small, in New Zealand. Secondly, we need to involve the unions in a new strategy that would link wage rates directly to productivity gains. That is what they did in Australia in the early 1990s, and that is what has made the difference between our two countries since then. It is very important that that message be accepted by unions and other employee representatives of this country. It is also very important that companies themselves\u2014the employers\u2014make that link. I know, for example, of some instances where companies have used new technology; they have put in good mechanical systems, made investments, and increased productivity. At the same time, as the result of all that happening, they have downsized their workforces, but they have failed to deliver any appreciable wage increase to the remaining staff members. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EI believe that that mentality needs to change, and needs to change fast. Simply stated, both business employers and their employees need to agree that the objective for the foreseeable future needs to be productivity growth, followed by real wage growth. That will be followed, of course, by a higher standard of living for all New Zealanders. It is the only way forward. It is the only way we will return to First World standards in terms of health and education for our country. It is fundamental to our future progress, and that point was made very eloquently in the Speech from the Throne. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EIn addition, the Government needs to do its part. The Allen report tells us that Auckland roading congestion is costing the economy there $1 billion per annum, and the figure for Wellington was put at $150 million per annum, although both figures are now somewhat out of date. If we put them together, we see that the decongestion of roading in those two cities alone would yield immediate productivity gains in the order of $1.25 billion per annum. Why do we not just get on and do it? If we need to speed it up, why do we not borrow the funds to do it? There is no reason why not. Productivity gains actually give us the cash flow and the tax revenue to repay such a loan, and on this issue Dr Michael Cullen is adopting a completely unorthodox approach to roading by insisting that it must be paid for from current revenue. The orthodox approach to any investment of that sort is to borrow the money and repay it over 30 years, and I make a plea tonight that he adopt such a policy forthwith. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003ELet us also talk about compliance costs. We need reform desperately in this area. I put it to the House that we need a task force or similar to objectively examine the compliance cost burden on New Zealand businesses. It could be a cross-party task force\u2014it does not matter, just let us get the job done\u2014and we should follow that with a razor gang to bring legislation to Parliament that would cut red tape and bureaucracy across the board. We have lumbered New Zealand business with so much in terms of compliance costs that many companies have become risk-averse, which is the very thing that will kill productivity, growth, and prosperity. Boards of directors now tell me they spend a lot of their time on governance matters, trying to adhere to all the regulation we have heaped on them, to the exclusion of traditional, entrepreneurial risk-taking and growth. That is a tragedy for New Zealand business and New Zealand farmers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EPaying GST is an example. It has nothing to do with the essence of running a business\u2014businesses are simply unpaid tax collectors for the Government. We should recognise that, I believe, by giving them a 1 percent commission on the GST they collect up to $200,000 a year. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cee6a89-68e3-40fd-b2d8-d8adb0ba5da0\u0022\u003EProductivity is the silver bullet that will deliver rapid economic growth without inflation. This point has been made repeatedly by Dr Alan Bollard, the Governor of the Reserve Bank. It is the silver bullet. If we get productivity gains, we can have growth without inflation. That has been done in the USA, the UK, and Australia, so why not in New Zealand? All of us in this Parliament should resolve to make this a priority for the next 3 years, and I again invite all parties to cooperate fully with the review initiated by the Minister of Revenue, the Rt Hon Peter Dunne\u2014I should say, the Hon Peter Dunne, as he is not yet a Privy Counsellor; that is tomorrow\u2019s announcement, I think\u2014so that we can start to move our nation in the right direction for the benefit of all its citizens.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022 data-id=\u00228b529f28296c4e7a99f2e7b79ca178a6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228b529f28296c4e7a99f2e7b79ca178a6\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CARTER (National):\u003C/span\u003E I extend my congratulations to you, Mr Deputy Speaker, on your appointment. I also congratulate the other presiding officers of this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EI want to start my contribution in the Address in Reply debate by acknowledging the sudden passing of Rod Donald. I competed against Rod Donald on four occasions in the Banks Peninsula electorate. I guess, if I consider the first occasion when I campaigned, in 1993, it was effectively like another campaign against Rod Donald, because of course he was so involved in electoral reform at that time. I guess it is fair to say that I disagreed with Rod on most things he said, but I never\u2014not on any occasion at all\u2014shared a cross word with him. I extend my sympathy to Nicola, who has been a courageous woman, and who has displayed her courage to all New Zealanders over the last couple of weeks, and to Holly, Emma, and Zoe, three gorgeous children who now have to move on, but they will do so without a father. My deepest sympathy goes to the Donald family. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EMove on we all must. So the National caucus will also move on, and I say it is really exciting to be back in this Parliament as a member of the National caucus, so buoyed with twice as many members as we had last time. We see excitement and enthusiasm every time our caucus assembles in the caucus room. We are going to enjoy the next period of this Parliament. Some people say it will be for 3 years. I do not think it has a dog\u2019s show of lasting 3 years, and we will enjoy every minute as we set about destroying the current Labour - New Zealand First Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EI want specifically to welcome, within the huge intake into the National caucus, those people who come from my area of Canterbury-Westland. I pay tribute to Nicky Wagner, who delivered her maiden speech tonight, to Kate Wilkinson, who delivered a superb speech the other night, to Colin King, and to Chris Auchinvole. Let us face it\u2014Christchurch is an area in which National must poll better if it is to be the Government at the next election, and with that sort of team we intend to do so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EI also welcome to Parliament the M\u0101ori Party. I got to know Tariana Turia when we travelled overseas on a parliamentary trip in, I think, 1999. She is a person I would describe as having gutsy determination. She took the hard decision when she disagreed with what the Labour caucus was doing. Unlike other members of the M\u0101ori caucus, Tariana Turia actually took the hard decisions and formed the M\u0101ori Party, and I say to this House that that party is here for as long as we have MMP as our electoral system. It is a party that I guarantee will not be left-leaning, because it will not be interested in the wealth distribution that the Labour Party stands for. We will see the M\u0101ori Party become passionately involved in the betterment of M\u0101ori, and it will do that by promoting policies that lead to wealth creation. I look forward to those days.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EI want to thank Don Brash for his recent portfolio allocations. I am delighted to be back with the role of agriculture spokesperson, and I also welcome the chance now to be the tourism spokesperson. Those two industries have so much in common. The same type of entrepreneurial, hardworking people get involved in those industries\u2014people who just want to get on and make a buck for themselves, and who want to do it without perpetual Government interference. That is something that the Labour Party just fails to understand. So to the agriculture team I welcome my associates Craig Foss, who also delivered a superb speech tonight, and, of course, Nathan Guy. To the tourism team I welcome my associate Chris Auchinvole. I look forward to working with those guys because we have one target in front of us, which of course is the current Labour - New Zealand First Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EI also take this opportunity to acknowledge some people who did not make it into our caucus. I acknowledge all our unsuccessful candidates, and I want to mention a couple of them tonight. One is David Round, a person who came into our party and campaigned in the tough territory of Christchurch East. He would be a very valuable addition to our caucus and I hope he stays involved, because at the next election, which could be anytime soon, we will have him as a member of our caucus. I acknowledge, in the gallery tonight, Katrina Shanks, who was nearly here as part of our team. If she is prepared to stick with it, she can be part of our team next time. I also note Roger Bridge in the gallery. He is a very close personal friend of mine, my best political adviser, and also the chair of the Canterbury-Westland region of the National Party. I say thank you to him, because he is so typical of the many people who make democracy work. Those people are not paid for the role they play in political parties; they give of their time freely and at a cost to themselves to make sure we have a democratic process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EI move to the election result itself and the disastrous system of MMP. No one won the last election. If Labour members and Helen Clark think they can claim victory from that election result, then they are deluding themselves. The appearance of Helen Clark on election night said it all. The old lemon-sucker look was back, permanently etched on her face, as she knew she would have difficulty forming a Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EBut, no worries\u2014Helen Clark was not interested in the national interest. [Interruption] She threw all that to one side, I tell Marian Hobbs, and out of personal interest she grabbed the only cab on the rank without principles, and gave the bauble of power not to New Zealand First but to Winston Peters. That was all that was necessary to deliver the votes of New Zealand First. Is Ron Mark a Minister out of that arrangement? He would have been a very good Minister but he did not get there. Brian Donnelly would have been a superb Minister but he did not get there, because Winston Peters himself grabbed the only bauble necessary\u2014and now he, in conjunction with Helen Clark, is moving around the world making New Zealand look like a laughing stock. How can we have a foreign Minister who on Tuesday says he wants to be part of the Government, but by Wednesday and Thursday says he wants to be part of the Opposition? It is unworkable. It will not last 3 years. I look forward to putting up the hoardings in the not too distant future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EBut there is one other issue I want to comment on in the time that is left, and it is tax. It has been mentioned already by a couple of members tonight. With the Treasury revelation of an $8 billion surplus, Mr Cullen is burying his head in the sand if he does not realise that New Zealanders know darn well we are overtaxed. He can make every effort to deny that debate until the next election, but New Zealanders will not lose sight of the fact that we are now so heavily overtaxed we are driving talented young New Zealanders offshore when they should be staying here and making a contribution to this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003ETomorrow night we will have a vote on this debate and on the no-confidence motion moved by Don Brash. It will be interesting to see the way the parties vote. I suspect they will not vote according to their election campaigns. New Zealand First campaigned on tax reductions, so will it vote for the continuation of this high tax regime? It looks like it; there is silence. United Future campaigned on tax reductions so will it vote to continue a high tax regime\u2014the highest in this part of the world?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228ed042a4a83b40e18a1979fe3760c98e\u0022\u003ELindsay Tisch\u003C/span\u003E: I bet they do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000673\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022491abe081ed847479046582e6aa83e4c\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CARTER\u003C/span\u003E: I bet they do. Gordon Copeland said a minute ago that he would deliver. Do members know what he will deliver? He will not deliver lower taxes; he will deliver a review. Well, what a cop-out for United Future\u2014what a cop-out for New Zealand First! All Winston Peters wanted was the bauble and the chance to travel over the 3 years, and we will continue to ask what beyond that is the arrangement that he managed today to extract from Helen Clark. I think that that member completely let down not only the voters of this country, not only the voters of New Zealand First, but every member of the New Zealand First caucus.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022 data-id=\u00227da8253a92294a8bbff1c2e665bd4a9a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000674\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227da8253a92294a8bbff1c2e665bd4a9a\u0022\u003EHon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E I begin the same way that most speakers have started, and that is by congratulating Madam Speaker, congratulating you, Mr Deputy Speaker, and Ann Hartley and Ross Robertson. We look forward to working with you over the next 3 years. I am sure that we are in very good hands with all of you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000675\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003EI want to make one other acknowledgment if I can, and that is to my wife Liz. During the last term of Parliament my wife Liz died and this is the first election I have fought without her. I have been involved in elections with Liz since 1984. It was a very strange experience to go through this election without her, and I could not let the occasion of the beginning of the new Parliament go without acknowledging her and thanking her for all she has done for me in the past. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge Rod Donald\u2019s family. I have heard a lot of the acknowledgments to Rod. He was someone I knew as an acquaintance around the House\u2014someone whom I thought took very strong stands on a range of issues and someone who deserved the accolades he has been given over the last little while. I want to mention his family, Nicola and the children. It is one thing, of course, to lose one\u2019s partner in life; it is another thing to have to grieve in public. One of the things I want to say to the Green Party, who I know have supported Nicola through this, is that this is one of the most incredibly difficult things to do. I think she deserves a great deal of admiration, along with the family for the way they have shared Rod with others during this time and have been such an obviously strong and magnificent group of people. So my acknowledgements go to them, as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003EWe are at the beginning of a new Parliament when speakers, as they have shown in this debate, map out where they hope their parties will go and how they might contribute. This is a time when people give their maiden speeches, which are, sad to say, one of the few occasions when people do speak seriously in this House about their ambitions for themselves, for their parties, and for their country. They do it in a considered way, and these are often the best speeches we ever hear from each other in this House. But we do have an opportunity on major occasions like this, when we are thinking about the Speech from the Throne, to reflect on how we either agree and want to advance that vision or on how we disagree and how we want to provide some kind of alternative. It has been interesting to listen to what people have to say. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003EI want to say for myself that I am absolutely committed over the next 3 years to a very simple vision. I want to be part of trying to ensure that we fully embed in this country what we have now come to call, in a rather hackneyed way, a knowledge-based society. What does that mean in practice? It simply means that we want to have more people in this country producing more knowledge and we want to apply it in everything we do. That is a transformation of our country. That is a very different kind of country. The kind of country I grew up in was, of course, one that was based upon low skills and low wages, producing commodities. We were a very different kind of society from the one we need to be now. Over the last little while, people right across this House and, in fact, right across the world have come to agree that if we want to succeed in the 21st century, that is the way we need to organise our countries. That is where the policies should go. But the big challenge for us in this House is not to try to invent a new formula for success in the 21st century; it is to ask how we do it in a relatively isolated country\u2014it is a long way from other countries\u2014that has a long skinny geography, a small population relative to the land mass we occupy, and a particular kind of configuration of population with particular kinds of identities. How do we make our way along the road to this formula of being a knowledge-based society? I want to reflect on that this evening. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000679\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003EThe first thing I think we have to think about, obviously, is our economy. I look across at my friend Dr Lockwood Smith. We argue now and again, but one of the things he has advocated, I think rightly, during his political career has been the agricultural base of our economy. We are, more broadly speaking, a biological economy. We have at times lost the plot in this country when we have forgotten that we are a biological economy, that we make most of our money from being a biological economy, and that we must focus on doing everything we can to make that an efficient and effective part of our economy as we go forward. But the trick of course is to add, on top of that biological economy, the research, science, and technology that allows us to take a leap upwards so that we produce more from that economy and start producing new kinds of products completely out of such things as biotechnology. That will take us into an era when we can earn more from what we have here in a way that we did not do last century. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000680\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003EOn top of that, we have to start thinking about what we are going to do that is new. We cannot do the things the Chinese or the Indians do. They are going to run large economies with large factories, doing things that we simply cannot compete with. We have to find niches for products and services that are special, different, and able to be transported easily, and we are beginning to do that in areas like software, which I think is a major victory. We know that that is, broadly speaking, the kind of economy we have to build\u2014that is our special kind of economy, and that is what we should be focusing on again in the next 3 years. There are other issues, of course. We do not save enough as a country. We should save more. We know that our Auckland economy has to be different from the rest of New Zealand. It has to be an urban economy, doing things that belong to a large urban configuration, and that means we will have to solve problems, like its transport problems, over the next 3 years so that it can be an effective urban-based economy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003EThe second area, I think, is social. We must focus on education. Education is the No. 1 priority for this country. We are simply not equipped as people to be part of the kind of society I have just been talking about. Unless our young people come through the world\u2019s best education system, stay in education, and leave from our compulsory schooling system to go on to further education, we will not be equipped in the way we all need to be. Education must remain a joint No. 1 priority for this particular nation. I want to say that the family is something we should reassert. I have applauded the fact that United Future made this into an issue in the House. Like most members, I have always understood that the family is the fundamental institution. United Future, I think, has done a good job of moving that issue to centre stage and saying that families break up too much and that kids do matter. We should ensure that no matter what happens with the family, those children have the support, emotionally and financially, of their parents for the rest of their lives. These should not be tradable options. There are too many New Zealanders who do not do this kind of thing. But it was a trait of this country, and we should assert that it is essential and make sure it comes back. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003ECommunity is the other part of this. There is something special about New Zealanders. The concept of social capital that we often talk about is not something that other countries have much of. New Zealanders still volunteer. New Zealanders still help their neighbours. New Zealanders still talk about community and actually mean it. We should reassert that. We should make sure that it stays part of what we do as New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003EDiversity of population is another issue that interests me a great deal. We are now one of the most diverse countries on earth, and we should like it. It is a comparative advantage for us as a nation, and we should applaud and strengthen our support for the many people who make this country their home. M\u0101ori development is something we should get on with. As my friend Shane Jones said, it is time to get over the grievance and get on with the development. We want jobs, housing, families that are strong, kids who are educated, and businesses. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003EThe environment should be one of the most special values of being a New Zealander. We live in a unique environment. It differentiates us from the rest of the world. Our stewardship of our environment should become one of the defining features of all young New Zealand children, who should grow up knowing that they are the stewards of the most beautiful part of this world. It should be part of their personality. We must invest in infrastructure, such as broadband\u2014because we are a long, skinny country\u2014to take us to the rest of the world. We must invest in our roads. We should invest in innovation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003EOur creative industries\u2014film, music, dance, painting, or whatever industry it is\u2014now define us so well. We have become a uniquely innovative, creative nation. We should use that, feed it through everything we do, and celebrate the fact that we are becoming one of the most creative nations on earth. That will define us in the 21st century. We should be independent. We should stand on our own two feet. We should define what we think New Zealanders are about. We should tell the rest of the world what our opinions are. We should be robust as a nation and not say to ourselves that other people are bigger and therefore know best. We are doing quite fine in defining ourselves, and being independent should be a characteristic for us, as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022605133aa-6c88-4150-82dd-7d9fcf1824b4\u0022\u003EAs I said, the beginning of a new Parliament is a time to define what we will do to make a difference over the next 3 years. I said in my last speech to the House before we went to the election that it is a very special privilege to lead this nation. Over the next 3 years, let us do it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002225c22a83-ff2c-474c-a092-883be2dd63d3\u0022 data-id=\u0022fe0f318b50724e34b2b9d1e232318d84\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225c22a83-ff2c-474c-a092-883be2dd63d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fe0f318b50724e34b2b9d1e232318d84\u0022\u003EDAVE HEREORA (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E E t\u016B ahau ki te mihi nui ki a t\u0101tou o ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata kei roto i t\u0113nei Whare P\u0101remata n\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225c22a83-ff2c-474c-a092-883be2dd63d3\u0022\u003E[I rise to extend a huge greeting to us all, the people in this House of Parliament, and so greetings, greetings, and greetings to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225c22a83-ff2c-474c-a092-883be2dd63d3\u0022\u003EMr Deputy Speaker, I congratulate you on your election to the position of Deputy Speaker, and I congratulate our Speaker and Assistant Speakers. I congratulate you all. I also take this opportunity to respond to the Speech from the Throne made by the Governor-General. But, first, I too would like to acknowledge the passing of our colleague the Rt Hon David Lange, rangatira of the people and a person who had the ability to embrace our nation. I also acknowledge the recent passing of our colleague Rod Donald. I recall the article in the obituary section of the Dominion Post on Thursday, 10 November that stated, in bold letters, \u201CIntegrity and honesty\u201D. That, I am certain, described the very essence of Rod Donald. May those colleagues rest in peace. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225c22a83-ff2c-474c-a092-883be2dd63d3\u0022\u003ERe-entering this Chamber and this Parliament for a second term is indeed a privilege, and I know that it is a privilege not often presented to many. Knowing full well that these debates are reported by Hansard and become historical records, I also place on record my acknowledgment of the passing of my mum and dad. My mum, Polly, left us after a short illness in June this year, and within 3 months my dad, Tai Hota Hota, followed her, just 2 days after the general election. Obviously, losing one parent is a huge loss, but to lose both within a 3-month period has been devastating for my wh\u0101nau. I also take this opportunity to mention the passing of my dear uncle, Lyndsay Ewen Subritzky. He was 81, and we buried him yesterday. He was a very dear uncle. On behalf of my wh\u0101nau, I extend our sincerest thanks to all those who have extended their kind condolences and support. I assure them that it was much appreciated. M\u014Dku m\u0101m\u0101, t\u014Dku p\u0101p\u0101, t\u014Dku rangatira a Lyndsay ki \u0101 r\u0101tau, haere atu r\u0101, haere atu r\u0101, haere atu r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225c22a83-ff2c-474c-a092-883be2dd63d3\u0022\u003E[My mother, my father, and revered uncle, Lyndsay: to all of them, farewell, journey on, and goodbye.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225c22a83-ff2c-474c-a092-883be2dd63d3\u0022\u003EI look forward to the coming term ahead. There are many challenges and there is much to do, particularly within M\u0101oridom. Moving out of grievance mode and into development mode has been a critical policy for Labour over the previous two terms, and a real building block as we look towards moving M\u0101oridom forward. In the past 6 years we have set that course, and we need to take this opportunity to measure it. The recently released national unemployment rate figure is 3.4 percent, but when Labour came into Government in December 1999 the rate was 6.2 percent. That is a huge reduction. If we compare that with the M\u0101ori statistics, we see that in December 1999 the M\u0101ori unemployment rate was 14.4 percent. Today we are registering 9.1 percent. But although for the first time in 20 years the M\u0101ori unemployment rate is down to single digits, we still have a long way to go. We need to use that figure as a continuing measure to determine whether we are indeed applying the right policies. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000693\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225c22a83-ff2c-474c-a092-883be2dd63d3\u0022\u003EWe all know that employment encourages participation within the community and contributes to the economy. There is a need to uplift our skill base, moving into the jobs that new technology demands, matching the unemployment rate, prioritising quality education, and moving from dependence to independence. Homeownership, through the KiwiSaver scheme, is one of Labour\u2019s key policies, as is the acceleration of Treaty settlement applications. Those are just some of the policies that we intend to continue to administer. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225c22a83-ff2c-474c-a092-883be2dd63d3\u0022\u003EHealth is another issue for M\u0101ori. In South Auckland, 100,000 school students are getting vaccinated to guard against the meningococcal B epidemic. The success of the Government\u2019s largest-ever mass immunisation campaign has been a huge team effort, involving schools, staff, students, and parents, and they all deserve the thanks. Last week marked a major milestone in the programme, with 1 million young New Zealanders receiving the first of three jabs to fight the disease. Those are policies that Labour intends to continue to push this term. But we cannot do it on our own. We need some support and assurance from, in particular, our M\u0101ori colleagues across parties in this House. That, I believe, is the key to ensuring we make the necessary changes that need to happen. In saying that, I was a bit disappointed, particularly throughout the negotiations and in the formation of a new Government, that the M\u0101ori Party actually considered joining in coalition with the National Party. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291b6bce8bcef4f388f5f34ef6208080b\u0022\u003EDr the Hon Lockwood Smith\u003C/span\u003E: They\u2019re not socialists.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225c22a83-ff2c-474c-a092-883be2dd63d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022536794d3bd8d4144bd335a52c9fc417c\u0022\u003EDAVE HEREORA\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. For me, that sent a very difficult signal. I wondered why the M\u0101ori Party would consider that. We all know that the National Party was pushing for the abolition of the M\u0101ori seats, yet the M\u0101ori Party was looking for a coalition with it. I also could not understand the claim that M\u0101ori do not believe in mainstream. To this day, I am still wondering why a coalition with National became a real option for the M\u0101ori Party, particularly when we know that National\u2019s leader stumbled through the election and continues to underperform in the House. I also know, from looking around the House on a daily basis, that the new Nats coming along are biting at Dr Brash\u2019s heels. So we could be in for a change\u2014we never know. The point I am making is that the M\u0101ori Party seeing the National Party as a real option sent out a very difficult signal, particularly when we know that the supporters of the M\u0101ori Party supported Labour with their party votes. However, it is important that we can get on together and enhance our relationship so that we can achieve the things we want to achieve. To that end, I congratulate Dr Pita Sharples on his elevation to deputy chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. I look forward to working with all the members of the committee to ensure that we get on with the job that we need to get on with. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225c22a83-ff2c-474c-a092-883be2dd63d3\u0022\u003E I want to acknowledge a few people at this time, particularly those who helped me throughout the election campaign in Clevedon. But, firstly, I would like to extend my congratulations to Judith Collins on her success in that campaign. I would like to thank our unions, particularly the Service and Food Workers Union, the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union, and all the unions associated with the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions, for their help and assistance, not only during the election but before and after. So I extend that acknowledgement and a huge thank you to them. I also acknowledge members of my campaign team for their help. It was a long, hard campaign but they were prepared to give full support and commitment to it, and I extend my most sincere thanks and appreciation to them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225c22a83-ff2c-474c-a092-883be2dd63d3\u0022\u003ESo we are now in a third term. We are looking at the real option of trying to make it a fourth term next time round, and I understand that that could be a reality in 2008. To make that a reality, we will need only to continue with the work we have been doing. We have done a lot for New Zealanders to ensure that there is a balance, and we will continue to ensure that there is a balance, particularly for those people who are in need.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225c22a83-ff2c-474c-a092-883be2dd63d3\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, kua mutu taku k\u014Drero i t\u0113nei w\u0101 nei, \u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225c22a83-ff2c-474c-a092-883be2dd63d3\u0022\u003E[And so I end my address here at this point in time. Greetings to you and to us collectively.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022 data-id=\u002230350d3f51dc43c88b648e2a30cc6753\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000701\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002230350d3f51dc43c88b648e2a30cc6753\u0022\u003EDr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH (National\u2014Rodney):\u003C/span\u003E Mr Deputy Speaker, I extend to you my congratulations on your election to the position. It is richly deserved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EOn 17 September this year the people of New Zealand voted. One of the things that has always been really important to me is that, when I vote, I believe I am voting for someone who is going to govern my country. The sad reality of the election this year was that the people of New Zealand voted, but they did not choose who was going to govern this country. No, one person in New Zealand decided who was going to govern this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a8339c201ff044e7a45004c9a5517cda\u0022\u003ELindsay Tisch\u003C/span\u003E: Who was that? Tell us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022acb23d762a45442aa5772c2ebfb6df1b\u0022\u003EDr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: That one person was the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Because the team in this House led by Helen Clark\u2019s Labour Party had behind it 57 seats, and the team led by Don Brash and the National Party had behind it 57 seats, the Rt Hon Winston Peters had the choice to go with either side. The people of New Zealand, sadly, did not have the chance to elect their Government. That power fell to one person: Winston Peters. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EThe people of New Zealand should not forget that as we watch the shambles of this Government unfolding before us. The first thing that happened was that Winston Peters said that Helen Clark had offered him the role of Minister of Foreign Affairs\u2014and, of course, someone has to do it. What did Helen Clark say? Helen Clark said that Winston Peters had asked for the foreign affairs role. They cannot both be telling the truth. Either Helen Clark or Winston Peters is not telling the truth, and the people of New Zealand ought to be highly suspicious of this cobbled-together Government when the very first things that are uttered cannot be the truth. Either Helen Clark or Winston Peters cannot be telling the truth, because those two statements are incompatible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EI am not totally surprised by the cobbling together of this shambolic Government, because we all know that it is Winston Peters\u2019 swansong. He has just booted in the guts his loyal New Zealand First members. Ron Mark and Pita Paraone are loyal men who deserve better treatment. Brian Donnelly deserved a ministerial role if New Zealand First was going to go into Government. But no, Winston Peters just booted them in the guts, because it is his swansong, and Winston wanted to have a swansong that would give him the chance to do other things. Of course, we also know that Helen Clark had her particular ambitions too that had nothing to do with the future of this country. Helen desperately wanted a third term\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ed9ad81-05c1-4171-80c6-24fa02cade42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f722e7ec12424b71b58b6e57ce2c63f7\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Please use members\u2019 full names.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227956035f16446a4ad39273577d2c293\u0022\u003EDr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: I beg your pardon, Mr Deputy Speaker. Ms Helen Clark desperately wanted a third term in this Parliament, and the two blind ambitions met in the middle. The Rt Hon Winston Peters\u2014or the \u201Cbauble man\u201D, as some call him\u2014wanted a swansong, and Ms Helen Clark desperately wanted a third term in Government. How convenient! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EWhat has been the reality of this \u201CClark-Peters Government\u201D in practice? Well, the first thing is that Mr Winston Peters, in foreign affairs, wants to repair our relationship with the United States of America. What did Helen Clark say? She said there was nothing wrong with our relationship with the United States of America. Well, they seem to have a difference of view there. Then Mr Winston Peters said: \u201CI\u2019m going to ask Australia to help us repair our relationship with the United States of America.\u201D Helen Clark said that New Zealand was not going to ask Australia to help us repair our relationship with anyone. She said that we were capable of standing on our own feet in foreign affairs. It is little wonder that Alexander Downer, Australia\u2019s Foreign Minister, had to ask the Hon Phil Goff, now Minister of Trade, who on earth was in charge of foreign policy in New Zealand under this shambolic Government. I know Alexander Downer pretty well, he is a pretty smart bloke, but it is little wonder he had to ask who the hell was running the ship in New Zealand when it comes to foreign affairs. The sad thing is that the world\u2014at least, that bit of the world that actually takes much notice of New Zealand\u2014just had confirmed to it further that New Zealand has lost the plot. The respect that New Zealand once had around the world again just dropped another notch or two. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EIt is not just the Rt Hon Winston Peters who is caught in this mess; of course, the Hon Peter Dunne, the leader of United Future, got sucked into these shonky arrangements, as well. Just like Mr Winston Peters, he is meant to support the Labour Government on issues in his area of portfolio responsibility. What happened the other day on a Radio New Zealand Checkpoint interview? The interviewer\u2014Mary Wilson, I think it was, if I look at the transcript\u2014asked Peter Dunne: \u201C\u2026 you do want the carbon tax scrapped?\u201D. What did the Hon Peter Dunne say? He said: \u201CWell, our view is that the carbon tax is unworkable,\u201D. The support agreement is that the Hon Peter Dunne, in his portfolio area of revenue and taxation matters, speaks for the Government, and he said: \u201C\u2026 our view is that the carbon tax is unworkable,\u201D. Is that the Government\u2019s position now, because Peter Dunne is meant to speak for the Government on tax matters? Is it? Will Rick Barker confirm that? Will Damien O\u2019Connor confirm that that is the Labour Government\u2019s position? Because their Minister of Revenue has told New Zealanders that that is the position. Or is it not? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EUnder this shambolic Government no one knows what on earth what different Ministers say means. I suspect that it is so shambolic that supply agreements do not mean anything; that Peter Dunne was probably speaking as Peter Dunne leader of United Future, because immediately Michael Cullen, the Minister of Finance, said: \u201CWell, if that goes, so too will the adjustments to the income tax thresholds.\u201D, and Peter Dunne said: \u201CWhoops, we can\u2019t have that.\u201D We can see the shambles. It is an absolute shambles under this new, cobbled-together \u201CClark-Peters Government\u201D, and it is a sad thing for New Zealand, because the people of New Zealand did not vote for this Government. This Government was chosen by Winston Peters. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EIn my concluding moments I want to refer to something else, and that is the appalling standards that have developed under this Labour-led Government. We all know that it goes back to the days when Helen Clark was happy to commit fraud over a painting. We all know she put the knife in the back of a Commissioner of Police, that she screwed him by talking secretly to the media behind his back. We know she let her drivers take the flak when they carried her, at speed, halfway across the South Island.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EThose low standards have been carried on by the Hon Taito Phillip Field, who has brought this Labour Government to a new low level. It is just staggering when we look at what he has done. In February this year he asked the Associate Minister of Immigration for special direction to grant work permits to a Thai couple, Sunan Siriwan and his wife, Luck, who had actually claimed refugee status, had failed, and had stayed illegally in New Zealand. Mr Field then flew them to Samoa and got them to do tiling work on his holiday home in Samoa, under a work permit obtained by his wife.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EThe then Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Phil Goff, visited the home of Phillip Field in Samoa with officials and Samoan police. What did Phil Goff say to the then Associate Minister of Immigration, Damien O\u2019Connor, about the appropriateness of what Taito Phillip Field was doing? Phil Goff should have known that that was outrageous, and that it was bringing immigration in New Zealand to a new low level. What did Phil Goff do? This Parliament deserves to know, because Phil Goff visited, Paul Swain visited, Ross Robertson visited, and so did officials and the Samoan police. So it is not as if they were just casual visits. What did Mr Goff tell the then Associate Minister of Immigration about the appropriateness of what Taito Phillip Field was doing? A bad odour is now surrounding this Labour-led Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022 data-id=\u0022f67afce397f844e6930a6fac0d57fb82\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f67afce397f844e6930a6fac0d57fb82\u0022\u003EGEORGINA BEYER (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E What a pleasure and privilege it is to contribute to this Address in Reply debate in response to the Speech from the Throne. I will begin, as most colleagues have, by congratulating you, Mr Deputy Speaker, on your appointment; the Hon Margaret Wilson, of course, on her appointment as Madam Speaker, and also Ross Robertson and Ann Hartley too on their elected positions of presiding officers of this House. It is never an easy task, but all execute it extremely well, and we should all be grateful for that. I would like to pay my respects to the Governor-General. Her delivery of the Speech from the Throne was appropriate, and maintained the integrity and dignity of the position that she holds, which is that of our head of State, in the absence of Her Majesty the Queen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003EI would like also to thank those people who assisted me during the election in my efforts on behalf of the Labour Party. I particularly pay my respects to the rainbow Labour sector of the New Zealand Labour Party. I would also like to acknowledge the Wairarapa Labour electorate committee. And while on the matter of the Wairarapa electorate, may I also express my sincere gratitude and thanks to the constituents of my former electorate, which I vacated at this last election, and which has now been occupied with the election of John Hayes. I congratulate him upon that effort and achievement of arriving in Parliament. Notwithstanding matters that may cloud the beginning of his tenure as the member for Wairarapa, I am encouraged to concede that we will work together on matters that are of general and major interest to the Wairarapa. That was the practice under my time as the local member when Mr Edwin Perry, of New Zealand First, was formerly a member of this House in the last term of Parliament. There are matters that transcend politics between parties sometimes, when the good of the electorate that both members share an interest is to the fore. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003EI have noted with some interest some of the aspirations that Mr Hayes has for the future of the Wairarapa. They are long-held aspirations, and I dare say he will have become very knowledgable of the history over the last decade or so, not only under my time as the local member in Wairarapa, but also under that of Wyatt Creech. I did note also that in his maiden speech\u2014which was a very good maiden speech in many respects although I did not agree with everything he had to say\u2014he raised one issue about roading and putting a tunnel through the Rimutakas. I noted this morning on Morning Report that there was reference, and the obvious potential danger should there be an earthquake in the Wellington area, of Wellington being absolutely cut off should State Highway 1 not be sorted out via either Transmission Gully or the proposed coastal route.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003E That is interesting, because, of course, one of the dynamics that has to be balanced when one is part of a region is the varying and diverse interests, in this particular instance, around transport funding. I believe that under my time as the local member for Wairarapa, and under my predecessor, the Hon Wyatt Creech, we maintained the common vision of what we wanted to achieve as far as State Highway 2 connecting the Wellington region and the Wairarapa being improved over time. That has come to pass but there is more to be done. I look forward to the debate with our fellow colleagues in the region over how much of the funding we will be able to achieve in order that Mr Hayes\u2019 aspirations, for example, might see the light of day. I remind him that these matters were traversed some time ago. No doubt Mr Creech will be able to inform him of that time, as I also will be able to do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003EOf course, the maiden speeches from new members are very interesting to listen to. They are enlightening, they are informative, and they give us a taste of the character of the person who has come in to the House. One speech I heard, in the past days of maiden speeches, tickled my fancy. I liked the cut of the speaker\u2019s jib, and the straight-up nature of his approach. That speaker would have to be Mr Clarkson. One little pearl, one little gem, I heard in that speech\u2014which has been overlooked, largely, by the media, compared with some of his other comments in his maiden speech\u2014made reference to the affirmation of his masculinity: that he was all male. I am so pleased for Mr Clarkson that he is able to assert that. I was concerned only when it came to the point of thinking to myself: was there ever reason to question it in the first place? If there was, may I offer my help\u2014as we are all here to help\u2014to that member, any time he may have confusion over such matters. I am very pleased that he felt courageous enough to affirm his masculinity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003EIt is something that should be done in this House. It has been tried by members previously in this Parliament and, as I have said to them before, I am here to help. I am most knowledgable about those things. I have to say, of course, that I got rid of both of them, and that might have taken a bit more courage than Mr Clarkson just offering one\u2014in a sort of lottery sense, if you like. But, no, I appreciate that man\u2019s sense of humour. It is a great sense of humour. I can see that he is laughing. He is trying to hold it back, I know, but we are allowed to laugh in this House when remarks of good humour are made. He can take a joke; I know that much\u2014just as I can and as most of us can, we hope, from time to time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003EBut the biggest joke would have to be that that party is sitting over there on the Opposition benches, and that is not because of what Dr Lockwood Smith may have been purporting before but because New Zealanders understood that we did not want to go back to the tired old regime of a National-led Government. It was disastrous in the 1990s, and the proposal for this particular term would have been equally disastrous, because National was trying to buy the affection of the country with its tax cuts. Well, the country thought about that a great deal, I think, when it came to this particular election, and it thought that, no, it did not want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Under a Labour-led Government over the last 6 years we have been able to achieve a great deal of repair to the damage that was wrought through the 1990s by the policies of that very party that now occupies a greater number of seats, most certainly, but not enough, I tell Dr Smith, to be able to make it over to this side of the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003EAlthough that member may have stood in this House and regaled us with his grizzling and griping about why he purports that Mr Peters has been the kingmaker\u2014or queenmaker, in this particular instance, on this side of the House\u2014I say no. That particular gentleman, the Rt Hon Winston Peters, also gave great consideration to what was best for this country and for stable Government, which, as was mentioned in the Speech from the Throne, has to be a foundation stone of what will make this Parliament successful in the business it conducts over the next 3 years under a Labour-led Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003EAlso in the Speech from the Throne were words of inclusion, of tolerance, of bringing all New Zealanders together, and of moving forward together as one\u2014not words of the divisive nature of some of the rhetoric we heard from opposition members during the course of the election, because they would pit M\u0101ori against M\u0101ori, and M\u0101ori against non-M\u0101ori in this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003E What on earth was in the mind of the Leader of the Opposition, Don Brash, when he handed what is now known as the role of the PC eradicator of the National Party to Dr Wayne Mapp? Dr Mapp has already said, in his new position as spokesperson, that he wishes to dismantle, review, or look at tearing apart the institutional instrument that is there for the protection of human rights in this country: the Human Rights Commission. Well, I know that on the Government benches there is one person\u2014me\u2014who will be looking at particular aspects of human rights in this country that I believe are still not completely, sufficiently\u2014might I say\u2014adequate and clearly set out in the law. I refer, of course, to my own bill\u2014the Human Rights (Gender Identity) Amendment Bill. It is still alive; it still lies on the Order Paper. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f6e1ae1-8aa5-4f71-8e73-30bb378026c4\u0022\u003EIf there is one thing that this election brought up, and it certainly curried favour there for the National Party, it would have to be that mean-spirited nature. It was also evidenced by the conservative nature of some religious elements in this country. There were the Exclusive Brethren, who do not vote and do not participate in politics, apparently, unless it is to help out\u2014although it stands back from it\u2014the National Party, in this particular case. If there is one thing I can say about Brian T\u0101maki, the Destiny Church, and the Destiny New Zealand party, it is that they are absolutely transparent in what they want and in what they see as their vision for this country. I do not entirely agree with it, but I will give those people credit for being transparent\u2014unlike the sinister and deceitful nature of the Exclusive Brethren and their actions in the last election.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022 data-id=\u0022552f9d30f9054b7d835f84a635cb0b62\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022552f9d30f9054b7d835f84a635cb0b62\u0022\u003EPITA PARAONE (NZ First): \u003C/span\u003E\u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D koe. \u0112ngari te mea tuatahi, hiahia ana au ki te mihi atu ki t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 tokorua o te Whare nei i p\u0101 mai te ringa kaha o aitu\u0101. N\u0101 reira e te rangatira e Tahu, k\u014Drua ko Rod, ko t\u0113nei te mihi atu ki a koutou i takahia te ara wh\u0101nui i kawe atu i a koutou ki te k\u0101inga e k\u012B nei te k\u0101inga t\u016Bturu m\u014D t\u0101tou m\u014D te tangata. He mihi t\u0113nei ki ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau, koutou i mahue mai i mua i te hinga atu a \u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 tokorua nei. \u0100, i t\u0113nei w\u0101 i tukuna atu ng\u0101 whakaaro aroha ki ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau, r\u0101tou e noho ana i raro o te k\u0101kahu taratara. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EN\u0101 reira kua ea te w\u0101hi m\u0101 r\u0101tau ka hoki ki a t\u0101tau te hunga ora. N\u0101 reira te mea tuatahi e mihi kau ana ki ng\u0101 mema i hoki mai i roto i te Whare nei, tu atu i t\u0113n\u0101, e mihi hoki ki ng\u0101 mema h\u014Du kua tae mai nei i t\u0113nei r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EEngari e hiahia ana au ki te mihi atu ki t\u0113r\u0101 o aku whanaunga karanga maha. E te tuahine mai i Tainui, i roto i a N\u0101hinara, ko te tuakana mai i Ng\u0101i Takoto i roto i te R\u014Dp\u016B Reipa, \u0101, me \u0113r\u0101 atu o ng\u0101 whanaunga karanga maha i roto o te R\u014Dp\u016B M\u0101ori, ar\u0101, mai i Te Aup\u014Duri, mai i Rangiwewehi, Ng\u0101ti Kahu, \u0101, me Kahungunu. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000729\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EN\u0101 reira, t\u0113nei te mihi atu ki a koutou ng\u0101 mema h\u014Du.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000730\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E[An interpretation in English was given to the House.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000731\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E[Thank you once again. But first I want to express my condolences to those two from this House who have passed away. To you Tahu, the chief, you and Rod, my salutations to you who have trod the wide path that has conveyed you to the home that we refer to as the real home for us mortals. This is my tribute to the families, those of you left behind at the falling of those two. At this point in time my sympathies go out to the families, the ones at present under the thorny mantle. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000732\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003ENow that we have satisfied the part to the dead I return to us the living. Therefore, a special greeting to members who have been returned to this House, and further to that I acknowledge those new members who have arrived here today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000733\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E But I want to greet those others too, those relatives of mine of many callings, my sister colleague from Tainui, that one also in National, the elder cousin from Ng\u0101i Takoto in the Labour Party, and those relatives of many callings in the M\u0101ori Party from Te Aup\u014Duri, Rangiwewehi, Ng\u0101ti Kahu, and Kahungunu. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000734\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EAnd so this greeting to you collectively, the new members.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000735\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E  Mr Deputy Speaker, it is indeed a privilege to be able to take this call while you are presiding over the proceedings of the House. Like the previous speakers, I extend my congratulations to you on your elevation to Deputy Speaker. Although I was somewhat surprised that your colleagues did not support your nomination for Speaker, that does not in any way reduce my regard for you, nor do I have any less regard for Madam Speaker, Margaret Wilson, and the Assistant Speakers, Ross Robertson and Ann Hartley. On behalf of New Zealand First I extend my congratulations to them all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000736\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI also take this time to acknowledge and congratulate the MP for Pakuranga, the Hon Maurice Williamson, on once again winning the seat of Pakuranga. The final result might have been a little bit closer, however. There was sufficient support from a number of voters in Pakuranga and, indeed, from the rest of the country to ensure that I am here today. I say to the Hon Maurice Williamson that although his majority was in excess of 15,000 to 16,000, I look forward to 2008, when I know that I will be able to claw that back. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000737\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EBefore I continue I take this opportunity to publicly acknowledge and thank my new New Zealand First colleagues from the forty-seventh Parliament\u2014good men all. The remaining caucus members and I really appreciated their efforts while they were here. They were all fine members of the House who served their country well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000738\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EAs I embark on my second term as an MP, I would like to reflect on the achievements of New Zealand First, and on my pride of being part of something that has delivered and will continue to deliver much for ordinary New Zealanders. My vision for New Zealand continues to be one where everybody gets a fair go to achieve their aspirations. I do not think anyone in this House would take offence at that. Indeed, I believe that our country was built on such ideals. Somewhere along the way ideology became more important than ideals, and this has not always been helpful. Until 1996 New Zealand was bereft of real political choice. The choices were between the left and the right, and ideology defined them both. But it also constrained individuals within them, and it still does. One just has to ask Brian Connell. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000739\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EThe advent of MMP changed all this, with the consequence that our Parliament now has a number of parties that represent the total political spectrum. MMP has allowed the entry into Parliament of parties that would not have had a chance under first past the post. In my view New Zealanders are better served by the increased representation that this has allowed. Additionally, under MMP, those who choose to vote can be assured that their vote really counts. Despite the best efforts of the two old large parties, the recent general election proved that New Zealanders will never accept single-party majority again. Under MMP that has gone, and that is the reason that New Zealand First is still here\u2014much to the chagrin of many in this House, I am sure. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000740\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First is a party that has been in Parliament since the first MMP election, in 1996. We are here because New Zealanders recognise that this country needs a party that is not hampered by any outdated political theory; secondly, New Zealanders recognise that this country needs a party that will represent those who are overlooked by the two big parties; and, thirdly, New Zealanders recognise that New Zealand First is the party that is focused on delivering policies that will allow all New Zealanders to achieve their dreams and goals unimpeded by hostile ideologies. New Zealand First is a party whose overriding principle is in our name. Fundamental to all our policies is the simple principle of putting New Zealand and New Zealanders first. Since we have been in Parliament we have established a track record of securing as many of our policies as we can with the resources and influences we have. During this parliamentary term, we will improve on our record of delivering policies that make a positive difference to the lives of ordinary New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000741\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000742\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 10 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id200511223770d725505c4cb99d53c2d7cbb22d22000743\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"