"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002287de09660bf744f1a6837b21767095ec\u0022\u003EWednesday, 27 October 2010\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ce1a5a03cdbc455eb49977eecf96565b\u0022\u003EWednesday, 27 October 2010\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000002\u0022\u003EMr Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002241b33431807f44fd87e6b35cdade1b30\u0022\u003EQuestions for Oral Answer\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223bb49c149dfd44d38ce1b121ff87d028\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225819875605f2447c9c466403e4c38edc\u0022\u003EFinancial Statements, Crown\u2014Trends\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022 data-id=\u002205937df943aa46609b7b88fc05565b3b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002205937df943aa46609b7b88fc05565b3b\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT (National\u2014Hamilton East)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What trends are evident in the Government\u2019s latest financial statements?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u00222b0510704b5b44dbae69f5714f4a08a8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222b0510704b5b44dbae69f5714f4a08a8\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E The financial statements for the year ended 30 June 2010 show that the Government is generally on track with its fiscal management. The fact that core Crown expenses were flat at $64 billion from one year to the next indicates we are getting on top of expenditure control. The residual cash deficit increased slightly, from $8.6 billion to $9 billion for the year ended in June. This deficit is forecast to rise to $13.3 billion for the 2010-11 financial year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213d25f53c9854fac9e4376f13e939df1\u0022\u003EDavid Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: What trends in net Crown debt were highlighted in the Government\u2019s latest annual accounts?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c89e84777c149859b1892197a4e8607\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Net Crown debt is increasing as the Government absorbs the shock of the recent recession on its own books, helping to protect New Zealanders from the sharp edges of that recession. Core Crown debt is now around $27 billion, or just over 14 percent of GDP. That debt will continue to rise, because this year the Government expects there will be a cash deficit of around $13 billion. However, we cannot keep running deficits or increasing debt forever, and that is why the Government has a 5 or 6-year track towards a surplus, involving tight control of Government spending.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b97b408bf3544f7c94a3977c9ac64fc8\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: Can he tell hard-working Kiwis why he has borrowed an extra three-quarters of a billion dollars in the last 2 months to pay for his economic mismanagement?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022723a1acd099c4cc793824202e94f01e2\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: No. Fortunately, a lot of hard-working Kiwis understand just how much this Government needs to do to correct the economic mismanagement of the previous Government and to deal with the recession. That is why the Government\u2019s economic policies are broadly supported.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fed9ef457798437ba94d72b5a39424e6\u0022\u003EDavid Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: What do the latest forecasts show about the likely path for the economy and the Government\u2019s finances?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d7d4925c1c7d430b8ea718a81c398a10\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Treasury is currently working on forecasts, which will be published at the half-year update on 14 December. As I told the Finance and Expenditure Committee today, tax receipts for July and August were lower than forecast. I am told that the September tax receipts are up a bit, clawing back some of the difference. It is difficult to draw detailed conclusions from just 2 or 3 months\u2019 worth of data, but I would expect that in the half-year update tax revenue will be a bit softer, and that may flow through to the rest of the Government accounts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221819ab307e6342e3b3a89f371996c993\u0022\u003EDavid Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: What positive signs is he seeing from the nature of the current economic recovery?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022687da8b5cf4c4556b7556e0b0da8d734\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Well, many\u2014many positive signs. As we have talked about in the House, this economy needs to be rebalanced away from excessive property speculation, excessive Government spending, and excessive personal consumption. The early signs of the recovery are promising. Private consumption is pretty much flat, because New Zealanders are saving a good deal more than they were. Although that has meant a more muted economic recovery in the short term, it is laying a stronger platform for sustainable economic recovery in the long term.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220fda1c32885a4845be1964ce1274ce0f\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: Why did he tell the Finance and Expenditure Committee today that there was \u201Cno V-shaped recovery\u201D, when the Prime Minister said it would be aggressive; and who is right: he and the Governor of the Reserve Bank, who think the recovery is slow and fragile, or his boss, whom he describes as floating from cloud to cloud?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286a93712f35245b29fc8a0d93c8c5311\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: As we have gone over this issue about 10 times in the House and the select committee, I will explain it again. The Prime Minister made his comments in early 2009, and he was correct; the economy turned round from a 2.5 percent contraction to about a 2 percent growth rate. Like other developed economies, as New Zealand households have increased their savings dramatically, it has meant that they have less to spend. That is why retailers and the construction industry are finding it tough.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c7d9107cf56845c1afb80ea942c4dcde\u0022\u003EEconomic Policies\u2014Contribution to Medium-term Fiscal Consolidation\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022 data-id=\u00222a4842194af5499f92a7efc39139ddc5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222a4842194af5499f92a7efc39139ddc5\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Is he satisfied that all the Government\u2019s economic policies contribute to the goal of \u201Cclear, credible, ambitious and growth-friendly, medium-term fiscal consolidation\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u0022bd72338937ba4525bb9f434af869be05\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bd72338937ba4525bb9f434af869be05\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E The answer to that is yes. The goal the member is referring to is one that was set out either by the OECD or the G20 finance Ministers in their recent communiqu\u00E9.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223dd3fcf5819b4dfd960f6808d4b19336\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: How does it help to meet this goal by paying over $1 billion a year in accommodation supplement subsidies to landlords, especially as the total Government housing subsidy is expected to rise to nearly $3 billion by 2016?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d2424da5226141d88aa046bf9e2b0eef\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: The member will be aware there has been debate for some time about what drives the cost of housing. We will continue to pay the accommodation supplement to tenants. I know some believe that that is just passed on to landlords, but they should try taking it off the tenants and see what happens. Of course, it would leave them in an unacceptable situation. The member will know that the Government has done a review of State housing, and a number of our Resource Management Act changes are designed to increase the supply of affordable housing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f55b90e1ef514a68ade8ca0ba22ab4d1\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree, then, that it is an inadequate supply of housing to meet the current deficit of 70,000 homes that is fuelling the projected blowout of the Government\u2019s housing subsidy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022382a487a31eb4b5eacd4fff1ad68564a\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I think the member is probably at least in part right that constraints on the supply of housing drive up the cost of housing, including for those tenants that the Government is subsidising. I look forward to the Green Party\u2019s support of the changes the Government is making to our regulatory structures to improve the supply of affordable housing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c6d878b46c341f2bfda896172dee49c\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Minister, then, consider a State house building programme like that proposed in the Green Party\u2019s Mind the Gap package of 6,000 homes over 3 to 5 years, which will help to address the housing shortage, constrain the growth in the housing subsidy, and create 28,000 jobs in the process?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c9ff50c7bf2b4089aa19fc14f13b8dc9\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: The Government\u2019s obvious preference would be that the private sector was able to expand the supply of affordable houses. We have just done a review of State housing, where a pretty broad-based group with a lot of experience in housing made the point that the simple growth in the number of State houses often does not help those who are most in need. They are the Government\u2019s priority.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c1fe2fd1530f41a384f1c70d8f6e2f76\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: Why, then, is the Government prepared to borrow ever-increasing sums of money to fund a housing subsidy for landlords, yet is not prepared to borrow to invest in building homes for New Zealand families?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225cceb6dd629043b592b0bf35b978206e\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I am not sure whether we are disagreeing here. The Government would like to see a greater supply of affordable housing. It is somewhat ironic, though, that the Green Party is among those who most vociferously object to new subdivisions and to the expansion of housing. If we could get those rules changed in local bodies so as to encourage more affordable housing, then that might drop the cost of the rental subsidy, as well as increase the opportunities for first-home buyers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022af68dde857574e148d0c938a9c2272b8\u0022\u003EParity with Australia\u2014Progress\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022 data-id=\u00228f14528d0ded4e269e671959567f610d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228f14528d0ded4e269e671959567f610d\u0022\u003EHon PHIL GOFF (Leader of the Opposition)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: What recent progress has he made on catching up with Australia?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u0022b3ddca9f2c04414db945768db317397a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b3ddca9f2c04414db945768db317397a\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Deputy Prime Minister)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Prime Minister: In terms of catching up with Australia, the biggest step we have taken is to return the economy to growth after five quarters of economic contraction, which started under the previous Labour Government. The second-biggest step we have taken is to start undoing the damage done by the wrong-headed economic policy of the previous Labour Government. As the member will know, the Australian economy did not go into recession at all, so we have been starting from some way behind. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022945d82074ad44c51a10153a061667961\u0022\u003EHon Phil Goff\u003C/span\u003E: How many net additional jobs does he expect to see created in New Zealand this year compared with the quarter of a million new, net additional jobs that Australia has, so far, created this year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a64427d6ab434f0594c2b00e3a18a644\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I cannot give the member that number, but I can say that as Australia has had its terms of trade double in 5 years because of the value of its resource base, up against our commodities, whose terms of trade have increased by about 50 percent, then of course there will be a challenge. Equally, we had a recession and Australia did not. That member\u2019s party might be able to explain why New Zealand went into recession under his Government, before the global financial crisis, and Australia did not. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022647d4fd8bad4493694a6b2b183627f9e\u0022\u003EHon Phil Goff\u003C/span\u003E: Will the first decline in the median income in New Zealand to take place in more than a decade, which Statistics New Zealand recorded over the last year, help close the income gap with Australia?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221752d9d494fb426eb1e2cbf9cdc375da\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: When the member was away we discussed in the House how useless the median income measure is, because it does not measure what happens to household incomes. That member ought to explain how the Labour Government managed to drive New Zealand into recession when the Australian economy did not go into recession. He was in the Government at the time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fce61d8122af45f39a439a409c74a144\u0022\u003EChris Tremain\u003C/span\u003E: How have wages in New Zealand fallen behind those in Australia?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d6418ece3d5a486fba5a331f52b6fded\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: The history of this is quite interesting. Between September 1999 and September 2008 real after-tax wages in New Zealand rose only 3 percent. In contrast, in the same period in Australia, real after-tax wages rose 19 percent. So over the last decade wages in New Zealand fell a long way behind wages in Australia. Since that time, I am happy to say, we have made progress towards reducing the wage gap, but it is early days yet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c05741616edf4d64b78fc8bd41a95053\u0022\u003EHon Phil Goff\u003C/span\u003E: When will the unemployment rate in New Zealand, which has reached nearly one in two for M\u0101ori and Pasifika teenage girls and over one in three for M\u0101ori and Pasifika teenage boys, persuade him that he needs to give the same priority and focus to skill training and education to our young people at risk instead of cutting, as he did last week, $55 million out of skill training? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f5952946f66345d591fa715d35ae810a\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: The member may not be aware that about 100,000 people who are participating in the industry training system were getting no credits whatsoever. With the agreement of the industry training sector, the Government has taken the unutilised and wasted money and shifted it to where it can be more usefully employed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de06d9099c4b4615b0d5165e697a89fe\u0022\u003EHon Phil Goff\u003C/span\u003E: When putting together his tax package, what consideration did he give to ensuring that most of the benefit went to those on modest incomes, as they did in Australia, rather than the lion\u2019s share of the benefit going to those on the top incomes, as it does in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd75799d7d1a4aaa8bf0184281d2c3c1\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: The member is simply wrong, and the fact that he repeats that description and includes Australia does not mean that he is right. The Government published all the analysis in respect of the equity of the tax cuts after the Budget, and it showed that when we take into account the impact of the increased taxes on property and on foreign owners of New Zealand assets, the major income groups all got about the same positive increase in income. That is the analysis and in fact no one has challenged it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225f9d542fffcb4109abcd658f9ca3188d\u0022\u003EHon Phil Goff\u003C/span\u003E: Which of the policies introduced by his Government has done the most to widen the income gap with Australia?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243dd3e64c0ca43dbb4c971f4a95c6c8d\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: As we pointed out, the real after-tax wage gap has actually closed. That is the measure that is used, and it was legislated by the previous Government as the wage measure that is relative to national superannuation. We believe that our whole raft of policies, including our investment in infrastructure, microeconomic reform, our tax switch, our reform of the public sector, our focus on education and skills, and our extension of innovation and business support are all adding up to a policy that will close the gap with Australia.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022546e3044d0d14d8cb8cb4a5b7456aa14\u0022\u003EHon Phil Goff\u003C/span\u003E: Has he passed the test that he set for himself to close the gap with Australia; or was that promise about as credible as his promise not to increase GST?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224dfba552a7714b368cf999037753ce6f\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. Our policies do pass the test. We have put together a six-point economic programme, which we are executing. Ours is a programme that his new friend Mrs Gillard would recognise, because she gave a speech a lot like ours, and his policies are heading in the opposite direction from where his new friend Mrs Gillard is going.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e26d851324504e77a19807e107ddf33b\u0022\u003EGambling, Problem\u2014Intervention Services\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022 data-id=\u002249b61fe727cf4ca98cd4a4229b018998\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002249b61fe727cf4ca98cd4a4229b018998\u0022\u003ETE URUROA FLAVELL (M\u0101ori Party\u2014Waiariki)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Health: He aha ng\u0101 rautaki ka k\u014Dkuhua ki te whakautu i te pikinga m\u0101 te 25 \u014Drau o ng\u0101 kiritaki hei whakararu nei i ng\u0101 ratonga aukati peti moni, otir\u0101, t\u0113r\u0101 pikihanga e 5,325 i te tau 2008 ki te e 6,673 i te tau 2009; \u0101, ka whakaae a ia ki t\u0101 Barbara Phillips, kaiwhakahaere n\u014D te Manat\u016B Hauora i k\u012B r\u0101 \u201Cthose seeking help are only a small proportion of overall gambling prevalence\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E[What strategies have been introduced to respond to the 25 percent increase in numbers of clients presenting to problem gambling intervention services, which rose from 5,325 in 2008 to 6,673 in 2009; and does he agree with Ministry of Health manager Barbara Phillips that \u201Cthose seeking help are only a small proportion of overall gambling prevalence\u201D?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f555a23a-d230-4f03-80ba-a44e6ec8bd29\u0022 data-id=\u002269cd9f5fed434ad5b46cf41fc9ebca0c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f555a23a-d230-4f03-80ba-a44e6ec8bd29\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002269cd9f5fed434ad5b46cf41fc9ebca0c\u0022\u003EHon PETER DUNNE (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E The Government recently approved a new 6-year strategy for the period 2010-16, and a funding plan for the period 2010-30, including a comprehensive needs analysis based on client user statistics such as the ones that the member has quoted, prevalence data, and models of best practice. The 3-year service plan continues to provide for a range of services from public health activity through to brief and comprehensive interventions. For communities that do not have access to face-to-face services, the toll-free gambling helpline service is now available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Typically, clients present to services in crisis, which is a smaller percentage of those affected by problem gambling. The Government has therefore strengthened its focus on early interventions in order to reach people before they reach that crisis point.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222fb2471124364b5d8c1745e4b505b6ff\u0022\u003ETe Ururoa Flavell\u003C/span\u003E: Kua h\u014Dparangia e te Minita o te Hauora ng\u0101 painga o te tuitui i te k\u0101ri whai-p\u016Btea me te k\u0101ri whakat\u016B-whakapaunga-p\u016Btea ki te rautaki whakakore petipeti; ki te kore, he aha?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E[Has the Minister of Health investigated the promotion of player tracking cards and pre-commit cards as part of the integrated problem-gambling strategy; if not, why not?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f555a23a-d230-4f03-80ba-a44e6ec8bd29\u0022\u003E\u00A0\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8536e4d21c044d29df38a921e970d11\u0022\u003EHon PETER DUNNE\u003C/span\u003E: I think a more logical comparison would be to look at data from the same quarters of previous years. An analysis of Department of Internal Affairs data shows that there continues to be a decline in spend in the non-casino gaming-machine sector. For example, in September 2008 the sector spend was $232.3 million; that fell to $220.7 million for the September 2009 quarter, and to $215.2 million for the September 2010 quarter. I think that data provides the answers to the member\u2019s question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222bf067be7a184329901773d817ab5f74\u0022\u003ETe Ururoa Flavell\u003C/span\u003E: He \u0101wangawanga \u014Dna e p\u0101 ana ki ng\u0101 tatauranga e k\u012B nei, ahakoa kua mimiti te tokomaha o ng\u0101 raihana, ng\u0101 mihini petipeti me ng\u0101 whare petipeti i te tau kua hipa, kua piki tonu te p\u016Btea kua whakapauria i te hauwh\u0101 tau kua taha ake nei mai i te $209m i te P\u012Bpiri ki te $215m i te Here-turi-k\u014Dk\u0101; \u0101, he aha ng\u0101 ara kei mua i te tangata ki te whawhai i t\u0113nei ng\u0101rara, te petipeti?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E[Has he concerns that despite a decline in numbers of licence holders, gambling venues, and gaming machines in the past year, spending in the last quarter still rose from $209 million in June to $215 million in September; and what measures are in place for a person to combat this addiction to gambling?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f555a23a-d230-4f03-80ba-a44e6ec8bd29\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267711ade88e7432e88ab5086f396b1e3\u0022\u003EHon PETER DUNNE\u003C/span\u003E: The issue that the member raises falls within the responsibility of the Department of Internal Affairs, but I am aware that we already have systems that interrupt play on pokie machines that are known as pop-ups or player information displays. I gather that some Australian states are proposing to implement technology such as pre-commit cards, and I imagine that the Minister of Internal Affairs would want to see the outcome of that move before determining whether to further regulate the sector in New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222e93dd55b2f948738663505df10145dc\u0022\u003EChild Poverty\u2014Government Action\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022 data-id=\u002289323cb073864e56a267da7df6dfe339\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002289323cb073864e56a267da7df6dfe339\u0022\u003EHon ANNETTE KING (Deputy Leader\u2014Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Social Development and Employment: What action, if any, has the Government taken to reduce child poverty in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u002264f8cccec2b541d4b3545dcb4093e346\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002264f8cccec2b541d4b3545dcb4093e346\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (Acting Minister of Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E Apart from the great economic work being achieved by this Government\u2019s robust fiscal policies, the Ministry of Social Development has done a great deal to help children and families in these tough economic conditions, including the Job Support Scheme, ReStart payments, Job Ops, Community Max, Break Away programmes, and the highly successful Community Response Fund. In addition, we have increased the abatement rate for the domestic purposes benefit and the invalids benefit so people can earn more while still receiving the benefit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002280fec46eaf234918a70f6aaf9c936d83\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Government made a commitment to end child poverty in New Zealand; if so, what timetable has been set to achieve it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228ed5bbfde01488a900e69ba11b27e0e\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: It would be great to be able to say that we could end child poverty in New Zealand. Certainly, the previous Government had 9 years to do it, and the best economic times to do it, but never achieved it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224da754411ca94ba584a70f1d691b6ed2\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: Will she support the Every Child Counts call to establish a cross-party group to address child poverty, and will she seek to convince the Prime Minister that it should be established, given that he dismissed the idea when I raised it with him in November last year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022273a96bce8514f35a067de54e0226827\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b0436d096294f5187540dba7ba0f15e\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: Has she seen the report from the Child Poverty Action Group, which states that before the election National made political capital out of a so-called underclass in New Zealand, but since the election child poverty has become invisible; and has she argued in Cabinet for priority to be given to end child poverty in this country\u2014a country that can afford millions for a building to have a party in, yet children have to wait?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246f4d8b011d6439e8ee43e78171aab33\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: I have not seen the report from the Child Poverty Action Group. I can, however, say that under the very best economic times that the previous Labour Government inherited it was not able to end child poverty. We have inherited a recession and we are doing a fantastic job.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226068aef08f1845bd90cdf9f3b3d4a2ff\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with the Prime Minister\u2019s Chief Science Adviser, Professor Peter Gluckman, who said that the Government is putting the money in the wrong end, that investing in troubled teens is often too late, and that the first 6 years of life are critical; will she ensure that funding is provided to reduce child poverty, even if she will not commit to ending it\u2014reduce it as happened under the previous Government\u2014and will she commit to reducing it in the next Budget?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f88573666bdf495d929b8f7d836f029b\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: The best way out of poverty for families is work\u2014[Interruption] Well, I know that that might be a four-letter word for Labour members, but it is not for this side. I agree with the Children\u2019s Commissioner, who said that work is a road to salvation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f06338663efa47a4b1b7bbd661926076\u0022\u003EPrisons\u2014Staff Safety\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022 data-id=\u002269bb5c85a65b47429c7988140a6f9a7e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002269bb5c85a65b47429c7988140a6f9a7e\u0022\u003ESANDRA GOUDIE (National\u2014Coromandel)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Corrections: What reports has she received on initiatives to improve the safety of prison staff?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u002224ce1bf263e040f683a76bddc16dedb3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002224ce1bf263e040f683a76bddc16dedb3\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Corrections):\u003C/span\u003E The safety of Department of Corrections officers is one of our top priorities, and I am very pleased to report that the department has delivered an intensive 3-day training course in advanced tactical communication and de-escalation techniques to its entire front-line staff of 4,000. This was delivered via an impressive 12,500 training days across the country. The training allows officers to effectively talk down an escalating or potentially dangerous situation. I expect that this will result in fewer officers being hurt in the line of duty. I have been told that the training has already led to many tense situations being resolved without the prisoner involved resorting to violence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022acb5ad618f054106817bd0bce8926482\u0022\u003ESandra Goudie\u003C/span\u003E: What other steps have been taken to protect front-line corrections staff?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022408b0631c3814935944014322731a9a7\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Prison staff have already been provided with new protective equipment for use in dangerous situations. This includes stab-proof vests, spit hoods, and batons. The department is now starting a 12-month trial of pepper spray, with a view to adding this tool to the range of safety equipment available to front-line staff. I am also delighted that our Government is introducing legislation to make offending against a Department of Corrections officer or a police officer an aggravating factor in sentencing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222559c8a9d34b4e679513d352ecfb2425\u0022\u003EGovernment Accounts, Cash Deficit\u2014Tax Cuts\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022 data-id=\u002225dc3d199d3c4bdf9ee78633bc3d918a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002225dc3d199d3c4bdf9ee78633bc3d918a\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Labour\u2014New Lynn)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Why did he continue with his 2010 tax cuts when the Government has a cash deficit of $9 billion?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u0022b0360d68c40a4bf28c3dd4d931fe1fff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b0360d68c40a4bf28c3dd4d931fe1fff\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Because the package of tax cuts will lift New Zealand\u2019s rate of growth by improving the incentives to work, to save, to invest, and to export, and to help a much-needed rebalancing of this economy. The tax changes have little bearing on the Government\u2019s cash deficit, as they are broadly fiscally neutral, and are revenue-positive by the end of the forecast period and in future years. Of course, they will leave the vast majority of New Zealanders a bit better off.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223aad62f1e03f432980006fc1283763bc\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Can he confirm why his old-fashioned recipe of borrow and hope is going to generate jobs and lead to the creation of new firms, in the face of tax revenue declining and the Government borrowing over a billion dollars a month, as he confirmed this morning at the Finance and Expenditure Committee?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d2a50e0ea7440d5a75e4e7ac5dfe5cd\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: No, I cannot confirm any of that, because it is all wrong. It is a bit rich being lectured by Labour on borrow and hope. It is a bit like being lectured by a gambling addict on going to the pokies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225fdbead8f033480196990f08ed72ea5f\u0022\u003ECraig Foss\u003C/span\u003E: Did the Government at any stage borrow in order to give tax cuts?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278f5966214ac429797f6a3eee6599e20\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: The answer to that, of course, is no. The income tax cuts of April 2009 were fully funded by the accompanying changes to KiwiSaver and the research and development tax credit. The 2010 income tax cuts are funded by an increase in GST, and by a tightening of the tax regime on foreign investors, smokers, and people who own investment property. Once this policy is fully in place, it will produce an annual revenue gain of $175 million a year in 2013, 2014, and beyond then. Our tax cuts have been good for economic growth and fair for New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3802e11b3db4459b5a30c0e78853f27\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table a copy of Budget 2010, showing\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022812a7ee63d95411e9260e3e238b7948b\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It is a shame that the Minister of Finance interjected then; otherwise Mr Cunliffe might have been taking an early shower. When I get to my feet, he will sit immediately. The member knows that we do not table copies of the Budget or waste time during question time on that sort of thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b89cd6fc3d7b44c39c8bedede12575b5\u0022\u003EStuart Nash\u003C/span\u003E: Given that he admitted to the Finance and Expenditure Committee today that his tax cuts were not stimulatory, can he explain to the House why, according to Budget 2010 documents, he is borrowing ever-increasing amounts of money to pay for them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b7626958aa240798385a85dd6f449bd\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: No, the member is wrong. The Budget documents do not show that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022df1abc75197c4e1eba83253efd61b5b5\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: Oh yes, they do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a7424fdbf95437ba4445d8067b65ee3\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Well, no, they do not show that. They show that over 4 years they are broadly fiscally neutral, and that beyond year 4 there is actually a gain of about $175 million a year. I do not know which Budget the member is reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022295223e81da14f70a9bb408ed72e9738\u0022\u003ECraig Foss\u003C/span\u003E: What impact did the 2010 tax package have on income distribution?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247643aed8a8e412a8f405688a2093055\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: As demonstrated in Budget 2010 and the background documents, the Government spent some time focusing on the distributional impacts of the tax package. It shows that the gain to the lowest one-third of households by income was about the same as the gain to the highest one-third of earners. Both groups had their real after-tax incomes lifted by 0.7 percent. If Labour really thought the tax cuts were unfair, it would campaign to repeal them. Of course, they are not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002267aa5137-7503-4a8f-bde1-1811615598e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d9cdf9b9617481cb6b89d2cb4544e15\u0022\u003EBrendon Burns\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister tell New Zealand\u2019s hard-working families why they are paying more GST on everything they buy, when he gets $200 a week in tax cuts and is borrowing nearly $300 million a week to pay for such cuts?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022319ca118af554fd0b7d0e9271aea35c9\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: The Government is not borrowing anything for tax cuts; it has been a broadly fiscally neutral package. In fact, the Opposition has been complaining that we put GST up in order to pay for the tax cuts, so it cannot have it both ways. These are fair tax cuts, but, more important, they help to rebalance this economy after a decade of mismanagement in which New Zealanders were misled into believing that borrowing, spending, and speculating on houses were the path to wealth, when they are not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f41980fb58904bab95f4b5267503f147\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: Given that he admitted to the Finance and Expenditure Committee today that it cost $450 million in year 1 and $1.045 billion over 4 years to fund his tax cuts, and that the reason he continued with the tax cuts in April 2009, which he knew the country could not afford, was that it was a National Party election promise, why did he raise GST when his Government had promised not to?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022418878c4062d4143aa02a3d2b9e27ce7\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: All the member\u2019s assertions are wrong. As I explained to the member, the tax cuts in April 2009 were actually offset by the changes in KiwiSaver and the research and development tax credit, which the Opposition often refers to, and the tax cuts in April 2010 were fiscally neutral. We are very proud that we have implemented tax cuts that favour saving, exporting, investing, and creating jobs, whereas the Labour Party favours consumption, borrowing, and excessive Government spending. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002282d71765c5fc462a99e8c8cf89a77c4d\u0022\u003ERegulatory Reform\u2014Protection from Compliance Cost Increases\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022 data-id=\u0022a7e09652693d48e789b00702f6380581\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a7e09652693d48e789b00702f6380581\u0022\u003EDr CAM CALDER (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for the Environment: What actions has the Government taken to avoid unnecessary cost increases for New Zealand householders from excessive regulation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u00221028ac60fb9f45ed9247152a3938d25f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221028ac60fb9f45ed9247152a3938d25f\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E Regulations passed by the previous Government would from 1 January prohibit the sale of over 1,000 common household products sold in cardboard or refill packs, even though the toxicity of those is little more than table salt or lemon juice. These excessive regulations would have added over $20 million to family grocery bills and over 30 million plastic containers to the waste stream. This Government campaigned on removing such unnecessary red tape, and today it has repealed them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ecdf8e6c525b4ae09ddb2ef6fc2820ba\u0022\u003EDr Cam Calder\u003C/span\u003E: What products would have been banned from sale, and does any other country require such regulation for similar household products?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c1765d6238a4efc84efd8b0d5ae9d8b\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Products that would have been banned from our supermarket shelves include Surf and Persil. Spray n\u2019 Wipe would not be allowed on our supermarket shelves, let alone the deadly Palmolive dishwashing liquid. We also would have had to get rid of\u2014oh, here is the man who is responsible.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e670757427841c5bc3566534ef05790\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I can remember some time, it might have been last year, but certainly during your reign on the throne, you prevented the Greens\u2014I think Sue Kedgley\u2014from doing exactly this by using props. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002274f7e30892564df98106c2f037a7e46e\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The Speaker is considering a genuine point of order. I certainly did not allow a member to table such things and I did not allow other members to produce such things, other than the speaking member. But I do not recollect having ruled that a member with the call could not use props to support what he or she was saying. If I have, I will apologise for that. I will check back on my record to avoid inconsistency, and I apologise if I got that wrong. The member has answered considerably; he should not go on much further.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3194df62fb647eca07fc739fe50882c\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: I think it is very appropriate. The other product that has been banned is the good old Toilet Duck. These regulations exist in no other developed country, and are particularly significant for relations with Australia, in that prohibiting these products makes New Zealand uncompetitive with Australia.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202534176b3ea4045a2b59e7f1c23feda\u0022\u003EHon Rodney Hide\u003C/span\u003E: How has the ACT Party and the regulatory reform work led by me helped identify and reverse these nanny State regulations inherited from the previous Labour Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd091b80fcdd4d68a09de385a3c31a4a\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The Minister who asked the question has initiated a comprehensive programme of regulatory reform, and when the Grocery Marketers Association raised these issues with the Minister of Regulatory Reform he insisted on a review. That review found that these regulations were totally unnecessary and were the sorts of nanny State regulations that caused the previous Government to be thrown out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c4b1ecf12f14883aa75e760fd5837ae\u0022\u003EDr Cam Calder\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Government reversed all the regulations designed to better protect children against harmful substances?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d892bf6bd5c04ba297c2d5df5dc5bd48\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: No. There are some stronger cleaning products like some bleaches and concentrated dishwashing powders that do pose a threat that justifies child-resistant packaging, such as Janola. I hear members opposite arguing that that is somehow nanny State. I will tell members the difference. The difference is that we are practical on this side of the House. We apply some common sense rather than banning these assorted products that would not have been allowed on New Zealand supermarket shelves if Labour had stayed in Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abeb3470dcae438ab20f4058221448ae\u0022\u003EHon Rodney Hide\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister received any advice on the job impacts of these regulations, given that we would be the only country in the world requiring child-resistant packaging for products like Surf and Persil?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eaa962abca9c483187c3b3005875c358\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I have. It would put New Zealand out on a limb and at serious disadvantage. I am advised that the Unilever factory in Petone would be put out of business by these regulations, including the 330 staff who are in the previous Minister for the Environment\u2019s own electorate. This is a classic example of poor regulations costing New Zealand householders and costing jobs, and it is one of the reasons why this Government has a comprehensive programme of regulatory reform.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229434dd5fc5b24d138f9063120775da8b\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before I call the honourable member for the next question, I ask the Minister to please remove the props, now that he has completed that answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f510a89751264448b70b2eac6a37c53d\u0022\u003EClimate Change, Cancun Conference\u2014Legally Binding Agreement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022 data-id=\u0022d1ac7e8732d54544b660e484d476479e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d1ac7e8732d54544b660e484d476479e\u0022\u003EDr KENNEDY GRAHAM (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister responsible for International Climate Change Negotiations: Will New Zealand support a legally binding agreement to cut global greenhouse gas emissions at the Cancun climate change conference this December; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u0022ffd76ec121b241ebbbeacba8db41de74\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ffd76ec121b241ebbbeacba8db41de74\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (Acting Minister responsible for International Climate Change Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, that is this Government\u2019s ambition. This was the position at Bali, at Copenhagen, and it will also be so at Cancun. However, all indications are that this is unlikely to be achieved at Cancun, but New Zealand is ready and willing to make as much progress as is possible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b8e747101ea45798732ef82875ebe43\u0022\u003EDr Kennedy Graham\u003C/span\u003E: If such an agreement is not likely and we are then obliged to rely on the Copenhagen Accord instead, does he believe that the combined voluntary emission cuts promised under the Copenhagen Accord will be sufficient to meet the agreed safe threshold of 2 degrees Celsius, which requires a 28 percent reduction in global emissions by 2020?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9640784041b4bc09ef2d0f0d1afc268\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The climate change negotiations are very much the art of the possible because they require the agreement of over 190 countries on such a complex issue. It is the Government\u2019s view that the Copenhagen Accord was a second-best outcome from Copenhagen, but it is better than nothing. Our hope is that we will be able to translate some of the good work that is included in the Copenhagen Accord into a more robust international agreement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a5543de3b294848903bcb6261f50de2\u0022\u003EDr Kennedy Graham\u003C/span\u003E: If climate change negotiations are the art of the possible, is it possible for him to reconcile his plan to cut national emissions by 10 to 20 percent with a global reduction target of 28 percent, given that as a developed country we are obliged to take a larger share of the 28 percent, notwithstanding our special situation on agriculture?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002245fddd4fb81844dcb1c67a7d4ad008ea\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: I think it is very important that Parliament understands that the 10 to 20 percent reduction target range for New Zealand is, of course, based on 1990 emissions, and 1990 emissions grew between then and 2008 by 25 percent, which is a very substantial increase. The second point that is unique to New Zealand is that, of course, 50 percent of our emissions come from agriculture, where the technologies are a lot more challenging. My view is that a 10 to 20 percent reduction from 1990 levels by 2020 is a hugely challenging target for New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a72b7079860741fabd55316a46dfb0e2\u0022\u003ELouise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: What progress has New Zealand made in climate change and will this enable New Zealand to meet its Kyoto obligations?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ff0af10e03540ab9d7f317025ad1283\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: We have made good progress with the emissions trading scheme coming into effect on 1 July. I am encouraged that the future forecast projections of emissions show the first years of decline in New Zealand\u2019s net emissions in any time since 1990\u2014that is, during every year of the previous Labour administration emissions went up\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a8eb371173064b98bfef2a3260a15709\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: And we had growth and you\u2019ve got a recession!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ae6a92e4cd2b4698a00b38a30baa541a\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The member interjects. It is interesting to note that the big gains have been firstly in the area of forestry. Under his Government New Zealand deforested; under our Government we are planting trees. The second big gains have been in the area of renewable energy, where rather than building thermal power stations, which occurred under the previous Government, we currently have a record level of investment in renewable energy, and that should be welcomed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002277ec6495-df45-43ac-aaa1-a03b5dd4c128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022852d4f93e9204e9bae40ce8d429d44d3\u0022\u003EHon John Boscawen\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with the Greenhouse Policy Coalition that when comparing New Zealand\u2019s emissions trading scheme with the European Union emissions trading scheme, from 2015 only 50 percent of emissions in the EU are covered compared with 100 percent in New Zealand; if so, does he accept that New Zealand\u2019s emissions trading scheme is more comprehensive than the European emissions trading scheme and may also render us \u201Cuncompetitive with Australia\u201D as the Minister for the Environment has just explained to the House with reference to his props of Persil and Surf?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb4d7e9b03474e5e8971f8ae2921ca00\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Firstly, in respect of the issue of the comparison with Australia, it is interesting to note that electricity prices in Australia have gone up by more than 30 percent over the last 5 years in response to a whole lot of regulatory measures that Australian Governments have tried\u2014in an inefficient way, in my view\u2014in order to deal with the challenge of climate change. So I think we are well placed, in competitive terms, with Australia. In respect of the comparison with Europe, it is very important that we compare like with like. If we compare our emissions trading scheme today with that of the European Union, we see that our scheme covers less and is less aggressive, and we will have a review of the scheme next year. The commitment of this Government is to ensure that New Zealand does its fair share on climate change, not that we should try to be a world leader, because we have to carefully balance those economic and environmental responsibilities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223b7d80840d8647538cfb89f4d1e86301\u0022\u003EEducation, National Standards\u2014Schools\u2019 Comprehension of System\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022f1905b1517cb4d86846d6b91e5770947\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f1905b1517cb4d86846d6b91e5770947\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: What evidence does she have as to the level of understanding of the Government\u2019s national standards system in schools?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u00221cb9012fda584fec82f52e96756b820d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221cb9012fda584fec82f52e96756b820d\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E A range of evidence is available to me as to the level of understanding of national standards. This includes Education Review Office data, and results from the Ministry of Education\u2019s monitoring and evaluation programme, as well as anecdotal evidence from schools I have visited and people I have met.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022970efd7d1a444fb5923150b04c9dba38\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: Are her standards designed to provide detailed information to inform the quality of teaching on a daily basis?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb5db0f812194fd580df1b90767c194b\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: The national standards are designed to provide signposts\u2014expectations of what children should have learnt and by when\u2014to ensure that children make good progress towards the goal of National Certificate of Educational Achievement (NCEA) level 2.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e1ca784886144ded95a961de416bbe78\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. It was a very specific question about whether the national standards are designed to provide information that would help teaching on a daily basis. The fact that they are designed to do something else might be taken as a no, but I deliberately asked a very direct question in an attempt to have it addressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002220274aea09c142aa851465710df4cdc1\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I hear what the member is saying\u2014it was a very direct question. I think the Minister should try to answer that. I accept that she almost did in indicating what the standards are designed for, but the question actually asked whether they were designed for that specific issue. It was a very direct question; I think it would be helpful if the Minister were to answer that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225638c357cf194b6fbb43bd2db4a85c0c\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: As I said, the standards are designed as a set of expectations of what a child should have learnt in reading, writing, and maths, and by when. Teachers can use those to guide their teaching, as they do currently, and they can also use those during the teaching year as they assess\u2014using either assessment tools or their own teacher judgment\u2014the progress that a student is making.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022749d97b8-a772-4227-83da-b5e264c37bc0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e579167b0afd4457b828a41735e7f02b\u0022\u003EAllan Peachey\u003C/span\u003E: What evidence has the Minister seen of the level of understanding in the community about national standards?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4469ec8b55c4bb69e7d4bdabfce04bd\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: I have had numerous emails about national standards from members of the community that show that they understand the standards, including one from a board chair, who said: \u201CSince we have implemented the national standards, our school community has been very happy with the new level of reporting, and we have had overwhelming positive feedback. Please keep up the good work.\u201D, and this one from a parent: \u201CWe are thrilled with the new national standards, and there are thousands of parents like us who fully support you and think you and the National-led Government are on the right track.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022819b748443f54e6f944913e24cc78c4a\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: Is it the Minister\u2019s hope or expectation that the quality of teaching will improve on a daily basis, based on the information teachers get from national standards?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a03ce7e6990a4c758e461921223f87f1\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: The national standards are a set of expectations by which teachers can measure the progress of their students in reading, writing, and maths. Quality teaching methods will be used to lift achievement and to accelerate progress where it is needed, but the standards do not provide that quality teaching.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d0500cc64a7413fab0436b90138ccba\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: Can a year 5 student achieve a year 6 standard in reading comprehension?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca2abac33e8d47d589db328ef0ce253e\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: I do not have the data in front of me. If the member cares to put that question in writing, I am happy to provide him with an answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220448e141968948b8955ab853657f0320\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: Was a backward-mapping exercise carried out to ensure that progress according to the standards leads to level 2 NCEA in year 12?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022478dde2aee6d47909d7b439181459bc1\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: It is my understanding that the technical experts who designed the standards, which were based on the existing literacy progressions that were introduced under Minister Maharey as Minister of Education, and the numeracy project, which was introduced when the member who asked the question was Minister of Education, used those and back-mapped from NCEA level 2, but that is just my advice. I did not design them. We used technical experts to design them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d6c76d6a6c0d451babff7ba6fb3eebd9\u0022\u003EState Housing\u2014Challenges\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022 data-id=\u00221d034718d43544cfae4dce405cfdd20f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221d034718d43544cfae4dce405cfdd20f\u0022\u003EHEKIA PARATA (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing: What are the current challenges the Government is facing with social housing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022 data-id=\u00226580d35589814a82984ec567133ad46d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226580d35589814a82984ec567133ad46d\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY (Minister of Housing):\u003C/span\u003E One of the challenges is that a State house is currently the only benefit in New Zealand where once someone is in, that person\u2019s need is never reassessed. As a result, we have over 5,000 Housing New Zealand Corporation tenants paying market rents who could afford to rent from the landlord next door, and all the while 4,000 families are classified on the waiting list as high priority for a State house. We also, interestingly, have over 2,700 tenants in homes that are underutilised, with two or three spare bedrooms. A similar number of tenants, 2,700, are in houses that are deemed to be overcrowded, and really need to be transferred to a larger property.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227145fc8bd1ab4568a5267f5f9479b78b\u0022\u003EHekia Parata\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister able to provide any real life examples of those situations?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c1b3d52d200b4d238640ee0a5efccb75\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: I do have in hand a couple of examples. In Henderson, for example, we have a tenant in a four-bedroom home who originally lived with her husband, two adult children, and one dependent child. She is now the only tenant, and she has three spare bedrooms. If that tenant could have been moved into a smaller property, the house could be a match for a single mother and her seven young children who have been living in a garage since her marriage broke up. Four bedrooms would still be a squeeze, but I think that family of eight would have found it better than the garage they were often put in, under the previous Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b8e6a6ffe58403a9f38da566c162299\u0022\u003EHekia Parata\u003C/span\u003E: What cost does underutilisation have for the New Zealand taxpayer?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dffa1c1908e547dc9e56acacf5cfa24a\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Firstly, for every home that is underutilised by two or more bedrooms, there is a family that is living in overcrowded accommodation. Secondly, many taxpayers do not realise that they pay Housing New Zealand Corporation the difference between an income-related rent that tenants pay and the market rent for the property. The larger the property, generally the larger the subsidy. For example, in \u014Ctara we have a single tenant who is living in a four-bedroom house and paying a rent of $47. There are three spare bedrooms, and the tenant is paying $47 in rent. Other tenants, of course, are languishing on the waiting list while that person with three spare bedrooms gets a $21,000 subsidy per year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a20c73e50d7e4d439e628745e0af54e6\u0022\u003EMoana Mackey\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with Housing New Zealand Corporation staff who say that the biggest impediment to moving people on from their Housing New Zealand Corporation home, which the staff try to do now, is not that they refuse to move, but that they have nowhere to move to, and does he stand by his statement that no tenants will be made to leave their Housing New Zealand Corporation properties if they do not have anywhere to go?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225f3447c5ae5b42e5b62f647e5041bbbe\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: The biggest impediment to Housing New Zealand Corporation staff moving tenants on, and asking them to be moved on, is that the staff have not been allowed to ask them to move on in the last decade.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aaf5169760434e219499f22eb14bdf4a\u0022\u003EMoana Mackey\u003C/span\u003E: Which parts of the country will see a reduction in the number Housing New Zealand Corporation properties because they are deemed to have an oversupply of State housing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226cdfaa1c36af4458ad77616965a7dcb5\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: The areas of the country that will see an increase in the amount of social housing will be the areas that have high needs. The areas of New Zealand that will see a decrease in the amount of social housing will be the areas of low needs. It is not exactly rocket science! I suppose we could be like Labour and build State houses just in Labour seats, but we are the National Government and we would rather put houses where the needs are.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217ab8fc794a44872ba6c5dfa744d5e94\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236ae8377ce214d28bd703766b083067e\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s just a show off.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c7e2df1fc07a44b190aed7c406e1480f\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I am.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c52acfb103d54e4485f28234c88cc7cb\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: On this occasion, the Minister himself is lucky that the honourable deputy leader of the Labour Party interjected or he would have been leaving the House, because when I get to my feet, even Ministers will sit down. The Minister had said quite enough, and the question did not justify the last part of that answer. The important thing is that when I get to my feet, Ministers will sit down. He is just darn lucky that there was an interjection from the other side of the House or he would be leaving the House. I insist that that rule will be obeyed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227f43d0f34a7f4ec79664ed5b8718eb98\u0022\u003EPasifika Language Resources\u2014Decision to Stop Publishing Tupu Series and Folauga\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022 data-id=\u0022b629c4a717284c6db98aeb3f98691b9a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b629c4a717284c6db98aeb3f98691b9a\u0022\u003ESU\u2019A WILLIAM SIO (Labour\u2014M\u0101ngere)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: Does she stand by her ministry\u2019s decision to stop publishing the five Pacific language resource Tupu series and the Samoan language Folauga journals that are used by 33 Pacific bilingual units to provide bilingual education to about 1,300 primary students throughout New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022066b52a3bf0f4f7d877c7684cf3cae4e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022066b52a3bf0f4f7d877c7684cf3cae4e\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E The Ministry of Education has not decided to stop publishing the Tupu and Folauga series. However, it is reviewing whether these are the most effective resources to support Pasifika education. This is in light of the fact that Pasifika students\u2019 literacy levels are consistently and significantly lower than those for other groups. Schools will continue to receive new titles from the Tupu and Folauga series in 2010. In addition, a new series of Pasifika language learning story books have been developed to support the five Pasifika languages curriculum. These will be distributed to schools starting in November and going through to 2011. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cfeeaf963f6f417db756860d876a702b\u0022\u003ESu\u2019a William Sio\u003C/span\u003E: What evidence does the Minister rely on, when in her own words \u201CIt has been decided to pause Tupu as it does not align with the ministry priority outcomes of every child achieving literacy and numeracy levels that enable their success.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022804c25273ab7448b9d24dba5c5af43b1\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: As I said in answer to the primary question, in fact the evidence that the ministry is relying on to review these series is the fact that Pasifika students\u2019 literacy levels are consistently and significantly lower than those of other groups. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241aac8fd926343b0b8a7b78538ec2795\u0022\u003ESu\u2019a William Sio\u003C/span\u003E: If the Minister has rejected research recommendations that New Zealand use Pacific bilingual education to raise Pacific students\u2019 academic achievements in schools, how does she intend to meet the related objectives of strong identity, self-confidence, and parental aspirations, or is she not concerned that Pacific people in New Zealand are on a course to lose their first languages for ever?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c2c42e8c3ec4fbca9973fcb2b305a18\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: I totally reject the assertions made in that question. I say to that member that the ministry will continue to provide language guidelines, resources, and professional development for teachers to support the teaching of five Pasifika languages as part of the action from the Pasifika Education Plan 2009-2012. The Pasifika languages are an integral part of the learning of languages area of the New Zealand curriculum. These resources also support the preservation and maintenance of Pasifika languages. In addition, there are a significant number of Tupu and Folauga books available online. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db1cc0647e8047658d80c806895c358d\u0022\u003ESu\u2019a William Sio\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table a letter signed by the Minister, dated 7 October, and addressed to Joanne Okesene, in which she states that the Tupu series, which supports language learning, is to be paused.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0c83c3b4aec4ef3b97ab868c130de75\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is no objection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022df2c2bfe96a6496180c778faddf5bc59\u0022\u003EPoints of Order\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022be485b75f5d04e5d8d270b59e194194c\u0022\u003EMembers\u2019 Notices of Motion\u2014Leave to Move\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022d74589f5c9dc40afb6b907626aff7109\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d74589f5c9dc40afb6b907626aff7109\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek the leave of the House to move members\u2019 notices of motion No. 1, in the name of Jo Goodhew, right through to No. 64, in the name of Melissa Lee, without debate. I do this because lots of them move congratulations from many local members to Commonwealth Games medal-winners. It would be very nice if the House agreed to do this without debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229024b9aef2d54e3583010f8180ba1b6b\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that course of action to be followed. Is there any objection? There is objection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a5573d002772463c8604fab0a74897b8\u0022\u003EGeneral Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228731820f1bef47e183429b44f35b120c\u0022\u003EGeneral Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022 data-id=\u00225ffa85e17b6e4a8faef0644635fcbaa4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225ffa85e17b6e4a8faef0644635fcbaa4\u0022\u003EHon ANNETTE KING (Deputy Leader\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the House take note of miscellaneous business. As New Zealanders, we like to think that our country is the best place in the world to bring up children. We call New Zealand God\u2019s own. We say things like: \u201CThe future of New Zealand is with our children.\u201D, \u201COur children are our greatest assets.\u201D, \u201CEvery child deserves a decent standard of living.\u201D, \u201CEvery child should have the ability to reach their full potential.\u201D, and \u201CWe value our children, and children matter.\u201D How many times have we heard those words spoken in this House? I believe that all those statements are true, and I doubt that any member in the House does not believe they are true. But are they true for every child in this country? That is the question that we should be asking ourselves in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EToday we heard the compassionate and soft face of National! We heard Judith Collins answer a question about child poverty and she made it very clear National has no interest in what happens to children in this country. She has no interest in working across this House, in line with the request of Every Child Counts that parties in this House work together for the good of children. The organisation made that request in all sincerity to this House. Whom does Every Child Counts represent? It represents the major organisations in New Zealand that look after, and care for, children and families, from Barnardos and Plunket to kindergartens, iwi organisations, wh\u0101nau organisations, and so on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EEvery Child Counts is a major organisation, and it has pleaded with this House for us to form a cross-party group to work for the benefit of children. In good faith I took its request to the Prime Minister of this country, 1 year ago. He turned it down. I have that letter here and I will seek leave to table it later on. He turned it down and said he was not interested. He was not interested, and I have waited 1 year to see what this Government would do in terms of children in this country. I waited to see whether it would put children first and whether children would become a major focus of this Government\u2019s expenditure and policy development. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EHave we heard about children? As the Child Poverty Action Group said, children have become invisible in New Zealand. They are invisible to this Government. The Government will say it has done so much for children. It had an advertising campaign to stop parents from shaking babies. It has done so much for children that it finds it hard to write it on a postage stamp! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EWell, the truth is New Zealand is not doing well for our children; we are not doing as well as comparable countries. We sit at the bottom third of the OECD rankings in terms of most child indicators. Many of our children in this country are left behind. Their early life experiences are harmful and ongoing. Many M\u0101ori and Pasifika children have poorer life chances than other children of the same age. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EContrary to Mrs Collins\u2019 statements in this House, the Labour Government did make some progress on child poverty in this country. We made it with positive actions like Working for Families, which took 132,000 families out of poverty in this country. We brought in affordable primary health care to reduce the cost of going to the doctor. We restored income-related rents and introduced 20 free hours of early childhood education. And we reduced the number on the unemployment benefit to 22,000, compared with the 65,000 we have now, and that number is growing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EBut I have to say that is not enough. As far as Labour is concerned, there is unfinished business when it comes to child poverty in this country. We ask the Government whether it will do something about it. It has had 2 years to address child poverty. We heard today that it will not make a commitment to reducing child poverty in this country. I need to tell those members opposite who sit on the front bench and make out that they care about children that child poverty in this country is growing yet again. The numbers are going up right now and they will continue to go up, as long as the Government continues to follow its current policies. I recently read Plunket\u2019s annual report in which it stated: \u201CYou need to invest in the first 3 years of life.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u0022f36e87bd0db34985b3980d6d4bb0ba58\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f36e87bd0db34985b3980d6d4bb0ba58\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E My challenge for the deputy leader of the Labour Party is to explain how petty regulations, passed by her Government, would help child poverty. How would banning products like Cuddly somehow help the children of New Zealand? The real issues facing our country are how we make living more affordable for families and how we secure jobs for New Zealand. I say to members opposite that one of the positive things we can do is to repeal some of the stupid regulations that were passed by the previous Labour Government. I knew that Labour had passed laws to ban types of light bulbs. I knew it had passed regulations to tell New Zealanders what size showerheads they were allowed to use. I knew it had passed laws that said people could not do DIY work on their own houses. Never in my wildest dreams did I expect that products like Surf, Persil, and Mr Muscle\u2014to mention Rodney Hide; or Toilet Duck, to represent Mr Mallard; or Cuddly, to represent Parekura Horomia\u2014would be banned. Never in my wildest dreams did I think Labour would be so stupid as to ban those sorts of products. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EMembers are chuckling. Let me just remind them of the real impact of those sorts of stupid policies. I am advised that that regulation would add $20 million a year\u2014$20 million a year\u2014to household grocery bills. How dare members opposite get up in this House and shed crocodile tears about the cost of living when they passed such silly regulations. It is even more serious than that. You see, the sort of regulation that would add those sorts of costs would put hundreds of New Zealanders out of work. No other country in the world has those regulations. How is the Unilever plant in Lower Hutt, which produces products like Surf and Persil, able to be internationally competitive with the sorts of stupid regulations that members opposite put into our law books? I ask Trevor Mallard, who is defending those rules, why he cares so little about those 330 jobs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ce25471082c4ef0827432ab6aefefdb\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: Drink it, Smith.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022907fb2fbaf9e4925aef02e0f1d23bf24\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: I think that interjection states the difference between members of the Government and members of the Opposition. They somehow believe in their nanny State minds that we have to regulate absolutely every element of life to protect children. I have checked with the poison centre and I have checked with Safekids, the advocacy group\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b6ad57902dbc4864986a4bad05e210e4\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: Drink it now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb6ef0d818f448529689d52e5e6584ed\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The pathetic interjection from Mr Mallard is for me to drink it. Is he saying that every single product on the supermarket shelves that might cause people harm has to have some special child-resistant packaging? That is what he is saying and that is what he put in the law books. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EI say that common-sense New Zealanders know that that is a nonsense. They know that they do not do it in Australia. They know that they do not do it in the US. They know that they do not do it in the European Union. It is a classic example of the petty, nanny State regulations that drive New Zealanders mad. Nor does it make any environmental sense at all, as 30 million extra plastic bottles would go into the system each year\u201430 million extra plastic bottles\u2014if we followed the regulations that Mr Mallard sat over. It is the issue that separates the common sense on this side of the House with the nanny State regulators who would push up the costs and who would put New Zealanders out of work while they run this country mad with red tape. Thankfully, this Government has the common sense to deregulate that sort of nonsense and apply a little common sense to the business of Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022 data-id=\u002204321bf563dd47369662b227ca991ea9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002204321bf563dd47369662b227ca991ea9\u0022\u003ECHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I did not rise to my feet during the middle of that speech out of courtesy to the Minister, but throughout that speech and especially towards the end of it the former Minister across the House, the Hon Trevor Mallard, was shouting out repeatedly: \u201CLiar, liar, liar.\u201D It is unacceptable in this House, and I expect the Hon Trevor Mallard to withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226af0fe8b850444dfbcf7776b4b805a01\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227961b58c53584832b274aa7adc47d632\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I do not think that I need to hear further on the matter. In fact, he was not interjecting that. I was listening very carefully. I was not so happy with his interjections, but he was disputing what the Minister was saying. He definitely did not call the Minister a liar; he did not use the word \u201Cliar\u201D. I listened very carefully to the interjections. But it is not helpful to the good order of the House to use that kind of language when interjecting. Neither is it to the good order of the House to use a member\u2019s last name, which the member was also interjecting further with. I ask members to be a bit more reasonable. Had the member interjected what Chris Tremain suggested, then I would definitely ask the member to withdraw and apologise, but he did not actually say that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022 data-id=\u00226d757f47c9f04db6a72ba7d38287f0d6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226d757f47c9f04db6a72ba7d38287f0d6\u0022\u003EHon RODNEY HIDE (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. You are right in part, but at the end of that speech Trevor Mallard called out: \u201CHe\u2019s a liar.\u201D When Chris Tremain was making his point, Annette King nodded her head. I certainly heard Trevor Mallard say that the Minister is a liar. I think you should ask Trevor Mallard whether that is what he said.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a44a5e35d5de43c699325b34e9a444e5\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: If members have taken objection, I will ask the honourable member. I did not hear him say that. I heard him say \u201CIt\u2019s a lie, what the Minister is saying.\u201D, but I did not hear him call the Minister a liar. I say to the honourable member\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022f3bb1bcce905461d82db0bbabfaa1d33\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f3bb1bcce905461d82db0bbabfaa1d33\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb245d70ba284a19bcc9dd03673c8a54\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I ask\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222fe0c6538f8544d7afc48777013b74fd\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: No, before you do, I say that the Standing Orders are very clear that members are required to take points of order on these matters at the time they occur, and no member did. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bc1e9f65-e08b-4939-867c-22ef093e2a4e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295706c6dd97141d297282bd5d6d090ba\u0022\u003EHon Rodney Hide\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022 data-id=\u002216a7867b7f4b47d2b94fe6745226b71c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002216a7867b7f4b47d2b94fe6745226b71c\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I do not need further help on this. Members do not want to disrupt speeches, but that is no excuse. If the member actually called the Minister a liar\u2014I did not hear it\u2014I ask the member to withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002293959ab90e034554b647efa9d672f600\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7f3056894cf4f56b482d1471504a721\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the honourable member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u0022ce48df8f00894762b9feced11c9780e1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ce48df8f00894762b9feced11c9780e1\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to table a letter from the New Zealand Food and Grocery Council to me and the Minister for Regulatory Reform, Rodney Hide, dated 15 February, entitled \u201CRegulatory tsunami warning\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d957ec701b894d1da868be782393f4f1\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is no objection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d380a71161c9402785f96803accd3f0d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before I call the next speaker, I apologise to the honourable member Chris Tremain for my not having heard the matter he objected to and doubting his point of order. I apologise to him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022 data-id=\u00229dff675910b14f7a905544a09f8d101b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229dff675910b14f7a905544a09f8d101b\u0022\u003EDr KENNEDY GRAHAM (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to address the issue of climate change and this Government\u2019s failure to develop adequate national policy to combat it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003EClimate change has slipped below the threshold of daily media focus, and that is the way that this Government seems to want it. The failure at Copenhagen to tackle the global threat head on has sent the international community into a state of collective catatonia. We see this in the lack of leadership from the UN, in the actions of national Governments around the world, and in the attitude of much of the public around the world. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003EThe problem we have is that nature is not disposed to wait for humanity to iron itself out morally and get its political act together. The poor countries rail against us for historical responsibility and insufficient reduction targets. The rich countries fear the projected population growth among the poor and insist that they enter binding commitments before we sign on to medium-term cuts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003EHumanity probably faces only two global threats: immolation through nuclear conflict, or suffocation through global warming. The first is the product of traditional enmity; the enemy was the other tribe or the other nation. Climate change is the product of a new enemy: us. We try to cut nuclear arsenals by changing the enemy\u2019s behaviour; we are required to cut carbon emissions by changing our own behaviour. It is no surprise that we are not succeeding. Most Governments lack the political courage to convey the magnitude of the climate change threat to their peoples, and they lack the political insight to prescribe the required global and national policies that are necessary. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003EBefore, during, and since Copenhagen the threat of serious unpredictable climate change has grown. Our scientists do not know when non-linear change might occur, but they warn that tipping points exist. If the precautionary principle is to mean anything, we must all move with speedy purpose and resolve. Translated politically, that means we must act not as an international community of States, but as a global community of peoples who are represented by Governments. If the difference seems vanishingly small, then we do well to act on it none the less, lest our prospects of survival prove to be the same. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003EOur professional negotiators are rearranging the deckchairs contemplating whether we shall have one or two legal agreements, and whether it will be next year, or 3 or 10 years from now. Our political leaders dampen our expectations with appeals to realism. We all suffer from cognitive dissonance. Every so often we see the magnitude and imminence of the threat, but it is simply too frightening to accept individually and politically, so we basically return to business and government as usual. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003EAs the Minister made clear recently in question time, the state of play is the Copenhagen Accord, with voluntary commitments to national cuts. These are demonstrably inadequate to the science-based judgment of what is required to avert failure, but we pretend that it is a useful start to greater things. We are told that global emissions must peak within about 7 years, and we know that the accord is way, way short of achieving that, so we mumble about bigger cuts later and avoid looking into our children\u2019s eyes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003ELet us address some facts. To achieve a 2 degrees Celsius threshold, we must reduce our global carbon budget from 50 gigatonnes today to 36 by 2020, and to seven by 2050. The rich countries must cut from about 40 today to 11 by 2020 and to one by 2050. That is correct: we in the rich world must emit only one gigatonne in 2050, out of the seven emitted by the world that year. It is called contraction and convergence, and it is the only way humanity will successfully deal with climate change. That is when our moral and political standards merge at the global level. After 10 millennia, especially the past two centuries, it is the moment of truth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003EFor our part, New Zealand has to agree through treaty or by voluntary declaration in advance to cut our national emissions proportionately. That means we must cut from 78 million tonnes today to 56 million tonnes in 2020, down to 1.6 million in 2050. That is the scale of the challenge before New Zealand. It is as well that we face up to it now, not when it is too late.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022 data-id=\u0022c7f7b255518f449899c6cffc2354b3d1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c7f7b255518f449899c6cffc2354b3d1\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY (Minister of Housing):\u003C/span\u003E I appreciate this opportunity to address the House. It would be fair to say that the National Government team, the MP team and certainly the team in Cabinet, are very, very positive about the progress that we have made in the last 2 years, while going through a very, very difficult time. In the area of my portfolio I could not be happier with the way that Housing New Zealand Corporation has managed its work during this recession. There has been more pressure on the State house waiting list and on the stock than we have seen for a couple of decades. Why? Because during the worldwide recession many, many families have come under pressure, either because of the loss of jobs or because of reduced hours being worked. Because of the difficulties in a worldwide recession, families have had to close their cheque books, and their ability to spend on simple items such as rent, mortgages, and those types of things has become quite difficult. During that time Housing New Zealand Corporation has managed to maintain the waiting list at a level that has been typical of the last decade. We have not seen the waiting list shoot up by 3,000 or anything like that; it has tended to oscillate at around the 10,000 mark. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003EI have to commend the corporation, because it has done this through a variety of means. One, of course, is the Options and Advice Service, which the National Government introduced. When people rock up to Housing New Zealand Corporation and say they need a State home, instead of the corporation writing down their names and putting them on the waiting list it now takes them through some options. One option is to remain where they are. The corporation asks whether it can help them to remain where they are, and outlines subsidies like the accommodation supplement. Another option is private rental\u2014the possibility that they could rent privately. The corporation outlines subsidies for them to do that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003EAnother option, of course, is homeownership. Here is a good one; this will fascinate members. In the last 18 months about 400 people have walked into Housing New Zealand Corporation\u2014so that members do not misunderstand this, I say thousands of people have walked into Housing New Zealand Corporation, but they have included 400 people in particular who would, under the previous Labour Government, have been put on the waiting list. Can members guess what those people did after talking to the Options and Advice Service? Members will not believe this: they went to buy a home. The previous Government would have put them on the waiting list. They got some advice, turned round on their heels, went out, and it was their intention to buy a home. The Labour Government would have put them on the waiting list. It is unbelievable. All that Housing New Zealand Corporation did was to ask them whether they were sure that they wanted to go on the waiting list. Those people asked whether there were other options, and the corporation said yes, there were options like staying where they were, and the corporation would help them; renting privately; renting with another community housing provider; or even buying a home. They said: \u201COh, we could buy a home?\u201D. We said that if they wanted to do that, we could even help them to do so. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003EThe previous Labour Government would have told those people to go on the waiting list. They loved it for people like them to become welfare beneficiaries, because then they would become dependent on the great Labour Party and vote for it for the rest of their lives. Well, here is a crack-up: 400 people turned on their heels and decided that rather than going into a State house, they preferred to go and buy a home. Many of them, I understand, have pursued that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003EFor the very same reason we believe that it is worthwhile to look at the almost 70,000 houses that we now have under the corporation\u2019s management, and to ask whether we are always housing the people who are most in need\u2014because the answer is no. The reality is that when we have a couple in M\u0101ngere at this very moment who have a four-bedroom home, and who originally had one adult child and two dependent children\u2014so that is five people in a four-bedroom house\u2014but who now live alone with three spare bedrooms, those tenants could be matched to a one or two-bedroom home. We have another single mother with three children boarding with relatives in a garage in M\u0101ngere, and they should be in the home that has three spare bedrooms. That is why we are not ashamed to make this conversation public and have a debate on the issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u00229785b0ab0eb0414fbb958311bc35c025\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229785b0ab0eb0414fbb958311bc35c025\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour\u2014Hauraki-Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E It is evident that the Government is starting to worry, because time after time in the House today every question was about what Labour is doing. Time after time in the House today every member on the Government side talked only about what Labour has done or is doing, not about what they are doing. They are worried about the messages that are not resonating out there with the public. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EWe can take Nick Smith, for example; his whole contribution was just about child-resistant caps on bottles. We cannot buy Listerine today without a child-resistant cap; we cannot buy Janola today without a child-resistant cap. It is not about packaging, per se; it is about ensuring that our kids are safe from some of the harshest household substances in our homes. Usually, those substances are in the bottom cupboard under the sink by the washing machine, or under the kitchen sink. Labour wanted to ensure that everyday families could keep their kids safe by having child-resistant caps on those substances. Anything more than that is pure fabrication by the Minister for the Environment, and should be left as that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EWe know that when we put children at the centre of our thinking, it is about making the types of changes that can make a real difference in everyday homes to Kiwis around New Zealand. We know that New Zealanders are excited about the message that our deputy leader gave to the annual conference. She said that we will unreservedly ensure that children are at the centre of our policy framework. More important, children will be at the centre of the actions that we will take in moving forward if we should be elected in the 2012 election. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EWe build on a foundation that has really supported children: affordable general practitioner visits, free health care for under-sixes, and affordable health care visits where, when mum takes baby to the doctor, she pays $10 or nothing for her child. That is set to change under National, and families are worried about that. We know that families who are on fixed and low incomes have actually had a better deal under Labour with income-related rentals, but that is set to change under National. Working for Families has helped low and modest income families who are partly working and want to get ahead. That scheme has helped but is probably set to be changed under National. The 20 free hours\u2019 early childhood education policy was brought in by Labour, and that is set to change under National\u2014but there will be more about that later. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EMost important, certainly for the families that I represent, during the time that Labour was in Government M\u0101ori unemployment dropped from 19 percent to 6 percent. We believe in work for families. Jobs were there, and our families were working. But I ask Minister Collins where the jobs are now. She got up in the House today and said the best type of support for families is work, but where are the jobs? She could not answer that question. Minister Heatley got up in the House and said all those things that are happening in State houses, but we know that out in our communities there are not enough State houses in some areas. In Thames, for example, they tell us that there are not enough State houses, and families there have to go on to market-related rentals. The average cost of a three-bedroom home is $280 to $320 a week, and those houses have a holiday clause. Those families have to get out in December, and they can possibly go back in about February, because those private landlords will get more from renting out their homes in that way, so they will just let the tenants go. They do not care whether those tenants have a home. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EKey things are happening out in our communities under this Government that will put children at risk. But we know that we have to invest in the early years. We understand that more and more Kiwi families are making the decision to come home and bring up their children, because they want to bring up their children in New Zealand, but they are not supported by the current changes that this type of Government is making. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI visited He Taonga te Mokopuna, which is a teen parent unit. Labour was very proud of supporting young people who found themselves pregnant at a young age, and who wanted to continue in education. We knew that supporting them to continue their education would make a real difference. We introduced a young parent allowance that would help them, helping their children to be at a childcare centre while the young parents learnt. We are starting to see young parents actually graduate from tertiary education with the support of the types of policies that Labour brought in. But all of that is set to change under National, and those members are harping on about things that make very little difference.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022 data-id=\u002274b9fbd4eceb4eb380058a194190b0cd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002274b9fbd4eceb4eb380058a194190b0cd\u0022\u003EHon PANSY WONG (Minister for Ethnic Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E I think that that member Nanaia Mahuta has forgotten, with all of those policies that she talked about, that Labour was thrown out of office in 2008, so I do not know where the fresh thinking is coming from. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022\u003EThe National-led Government has so many initiatives to talk about that I am spoilt for choice. I thought that I would pick one that is really exciting: I welcome members to 128C Preston Road, \u014Ctara; the most stunning three-bedroom, first-home buyers\u2019 dream home. I wish that when I was looking for my first home this stunning three-bedroom home had been available. Last Friday it was such a pleasure for me, Dr Cam Calder, and Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi to support two of our hard-working, innovative Ministers, the Hon Maurice Williamson and the Hon Phil Heatley. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022\u003EUnder this National-led Government, we do not impose things in passing laws. Dr Nick Smith demonstrated the ridiculousness of rules that were always imposed by Labour. Labour always thinks that it knows best for New Zealanders; that is why it was turfed out in 2008. For a difference, look at this stunning sitting room in this three-bedroom home, which cost only $168,000 to build. That was the result of the National-led Government\u2019s initiative called the Simple House Acceptable Solution. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022\u003EThe Department of Building and Housing put the initiative together to ensure that people who want to build their first home can look at the requirements, get the instructions about structural strength and durability, and know what should be done to satisfy those requirements, for a finish that will reflect the requirement for durability and flexibility to meet changes. All those requirements are contained in this first-home package. Guess what? The best thing is that for a very long time people complained about waiting for months, if not years, for building consents, but this initiative reduces the consent process to days. We are talking about days, not weeks. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022\u003EThe day when we were at the house, we were standing at the beautiful courtyard and looking into that three-bedroom home, which is now so affordable for the first-home buyer. It can be built by anybody, anywhere in New Zealand. It can be built on any land, in any style. All they have to do is satisfy this very simple initiative, called the Simple House Acceptable Solution. That is the style of National. We want to make homes that can be built faster and be more affordable. More than that, we want to make homes that are stunning and that have flexibility. Future so-called cheap housing is actually a dream for anybody. This house alone\u2014I am sure Dr Cam Calder, who was there with me last Friday, would agree\u2014will transform people\u2019s images of cheap housing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002280b11f68-6b57-4b8b-8922-aecd1d471975\u0022\u003EI think that lots of people now will rush in. Wait until next summer, when this house will be up for auction. Some very lucky couple will be able to say: \u201CWow, that\u2019s the type of Government that I can support, because it turns young people\u2019s dream homes into a reality.\u201D Anybody would be proud to own this home, to bring up their children and enjoy barbecues, which are coming up in summertime. Think about what this is doing to the \u014Ctara suburb. I am so proud of \u014Ctara and Manukau because this is the type of contemporary thinking they need.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022 data-id=\u0022b1e5ea1388e9486fb955dbabddb20bb0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b1e5ea1388e9486fb955dbabddb20bb0\u0022\u003ESUE MORONEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E That was the Minister of Women\u2019s Affairs, who did not once mention this Government\u2019s track record on women\u2019s affairs. Is it any wonder? The Government has gone backwards so fast on women\u2019s issues that she could not even clock it. The way a Government spends its money shows its priorities, even in recessionary times. That is why it is shameful that the largest cut has been to early childhood education. That cut shows that the Government does not care about this nation\u2019s children. It showed us as much when Nick Smith, at question time, gloated about taking away child-resistant caps so that young children may not be safe. They will be able to get into the laundry detergent in the wash houses of the very houses that Pansy Wong just spoke about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EThe public is starting to ask what this Government has against children. They have noticed that when the funding cuts came, they hit the very youngest, most vulnerable children in our community, who are those aged under 5. It was the cuts to early childhood education that showed what a low priority children are to this National Government. That is despite what all the research says. All the research tells us that it is early childhood education, in the years from birth to 6 that really makes the difference to life outcomes from there on in. That is where the investment should go. Even the Prime Minister\u2019s own science adviser, Sir Peter Gluckman, told the Prime Minister this. That is where the investment should go, but the Prime Minister has allowed funding cuts to early childhood education in the years from birth to 6 years of age. That shows a lack of priority for children. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EThen the Government set up a task force. After making funding cuts, the Minister decided to overhaul the whole early childhood education sector. I can tell members that I have just been to a conference this very morning, here in Wellington, and the early childhood education sector is up in arms. It was not consulted at all about the review, it had no say over the membership of the review, and it is very concerned that there does not appear to be anyone on the review panel who has any experience of working in early childhood education, at all. It is chaired by one Michael Mintrom. I am very worried about what I read about Mr Mintrom. He does not come from the early childhood education sector so we do not know a great deal about him. In the year 2000 he wrote a book called Policy Entrepreneurs and School Choice. The premise of that book is \u201CUnderstanding how policy ideas catch on, even when their workability remains in doubt.\u201D What does that tell us about where this task force is headed? \u201CUnderstanding how policy ideas catch on, even when their workability remains in doubt.\u201D, is the type of comment that causes the sector grave concern over what this task force may well come out with. It represents yet another broken promise from National. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EI do not know whether members opposite have recently dug out the National Party\u2019s policy on early childhood education at the last election. Almost every promise in that document has been broken already. The first thing National promised was that it would enhance 20 hours\u2019 early childhood education by keeping the existing subsidies and fee controls. Yet Anne Tolley told us just yesterday that she has scrapped two of the subsidies that supported 20 hours\u2019 free early childhood education. She admitted that yesterday in Parliament. That promise has been broken. Then National went on to say that it would reduce staff ratios. That is what it promised going into the last election, but because of Anne Tolley\u2019s and John Key\u2019s funding cuts to early childhood education, staff are being sacked from that sector. That means that children are in environments that have fewer adults and fewer staff who are involved in early childhood education. That reduces quality and reduces staff ratios. It is yet another National Party broken election promise on early childhood education. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EFamilies are feeling very betrayed. They believed National when it said that it would leave early childhood education alone. It clearly has not done that. National has broken its promises to those families because it does not prioritise children. I was shocked, because another broken promise from National\u2014and I was in the room\u2014was when Every Child Counts asked for a cross-parliamentary group to support children. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022 data-id=\u0022785f6802966d4adea3e2a807efaa9cc6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022785f6802966d4adea3e2a807efaa9cc6\u0022\u003EHEKIA PARATA (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. Huri noa i t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare. I am delighted to stand and speak about how the National-led Government\u2019s aspirational programme is having effect and being embraced by the good people of the Mana electorate. I am determined to bring an even stronger voice for the Mana electorate in the John Key Government, and I am absolutely determined to sound out the full story of the Mana electorate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EWe have had access to Ministers, which is one of the features of being in Government. I have been able to have Dr Nick Smith, for instance, visit the Mana electorate and celebrate the memorandum of understanding that has been drawn up by the Porirua City Council, the Greater Wellington Regional Council, and 12 other agencies, all of whom are committed to restoring the water quality of the Porirua Harbour and the P\u0101uatahanui inlet. This work anticipates the report of the Land and Water Forum, and Dr Smith was absolutely delighted to see the forward-thinking leadership of the people who are in local government in the Mana electorate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EThe Minister of Housing, the Hon Phil Heatley, has visited Mana. It was an opportunity for him to see and focus on the work and challenges that lie ahead of us because of the considerable deferred maintenance from the time of the previous Government, and it shows the importance that we have placed on, for instance, the makeover of Hampshire Street in Porirua East and the refurbishment of Flora Street.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226e6257c3910c4b6eabd61c41e22aa151\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: Has the member ever been there?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220a5a7fbb34fb45a78d81ba83d16bcf5f\u0022\u003EHEKIA PARATA\u003C/span\u003E: The member has indeed been there, more times than that member has had breakfast. He has seen the Flora Street refurbishment. He has announced the opening of the Gateway Housing programme, in collaboration with Habitat for Humanity, on Beauzami Crescent, which is in Waitangirua, I say for that member\u2019s edification. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EYesterday the Minister of Police, Judith Collins, visited. We took the unprecedented opportunity of thanking the volunteers in the community police bases, which have flourished under this National-led Government. We visited the community police base in T\u012Btahi Bay, we went to Cannons Creek, and we went across to Whitby and down to Mana. It was a veritable Cook\u2019s tour of the Mana electorate, where every day volunteers commit some time to looking after their community\u2014reflecting our Government\u2019s focus and emphasis on community safety\u2014and where police are part of the community. That was clearly shown to us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003ELet me tell members that the Kapiti-Mana policing area has the lowest crime rate in the Wellington region. This is contrary to the stereotypes that those more negative commentators wish to perpetuate, so much so that I will just tell the House a true story. A community constable was late getting to the meeting yesterday afternoon, because in the course of his duties he had been chasing an escaped criminal. Having caught the criminal and taken him down the Porirua police station, he found that the criminal had a record of over 160 convictions. The constable asked him what he was doing there, because he was not a usual resident of the Porirua area. His reply, which was absolutely reflective of the Porirua area, was: \u201CI have moved to Porirua because it is safer.\u201D That was from a felon with a conviction sheet of over 160 convictions. He moved to Porirua because it is safer there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EDuring the course of the past few weeks, I also had the opportunity to have the Prime Minister visit, from Raumati in the north\u2014for those members who are not familiar with the Mana electorate\u2014to Linden in the south. Throughout the course of these visits he had people coming up to him, saying what a wonderful economic management programme this Government has in place, whether it is Lembas Caf\u00E9 in Raumati South, which won a Wellington on a Plate title, or whether\u2014[Interruption] Members opposite may wish to deride this, but I am speaking about real people, rather than about the theory of invective that usually flows from the other side of the House. Whether it is Trudy at the wonderful Cafe Vella in Plimmerton, or Belinda at the equally fabulous Peppermill Delicatessen in central Porirua, all of these women in business\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022810cec6cd71c48019ed6c80fef6bcec5\u0022\u003EIain Lees-Galloway\u003C/span\u003E: The people in Cannons Creek go to cafes all the time, don\u2019t they?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222405f389a3644d03828ffb7b770535d2\u0022\u003EHEKIA PARATA\u003C/span\u003E:\u2014are backing themselves, I say to Mr Lees-Galloway, because they are enthused and encouraged by this Government\u2019s programme.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022 data-id=\u00227aa6db9eba7a495f8da7fbbc1bf64955\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227aa6db9eba7a495f8da7fbbc1bf64955\u0022\u003ESU\u2019A WILLIAM SIO (Labour\u2014M\u0101ngere):\u003C/span\u003E I had the opportunity on Sunday to visit some friends and relatives, and to talk with Kris Fa\u2019afoi and church leaders in Cannons Creek. I am surprised by what the previous speaker, Hekia Parata, just said, because after meeting church leaders and families, I can say to this House with much confidence that many working families there are suffering under this Government. Many families there are suffering under the tax switch; many working families there are suffering because of the lack of jobs, and the lack of having a plan, at all, by this Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EThe majority of those who are hurting under this Government and its particular policies are the children of Mana. It is the desire of every family that I met in Mana on Sunday to have the best for their children. They want the best opportunities in education and in health, and I have no doubt that that dream is shared by people up and down this country\u2014our children are the future leaders of this nation. But I have said to those families that under this National Government we will have to fight for that dream if we want it to come true.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EThe next Labour Government, under Phil Goff and Annette King, will put children at the centre of policy in health, education, housing, and social development. We have to put children at the centre of those policies if we are to achieve the dream for our children and for future generations. But as I said to the people of Mana, with their help we have to fight for it if we want to achieve it. We will not achieve it under this Government, so we have to fight for it if we want children to be the centre of our education policy. We have to fight for it if we want our children to be strong and healthy in the future. New Zealanders have to fight for it, because under this Government we will never achieve any of these dreams or aspirations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EThe last time the Nats were in Government, in 1990 to 1999 under Jim Bolger and Jenny Shipley, the period was marked by industrial unrest and by the widening divide of inequality. The children of that period suffered under the same failed economic right-wing policies that this Government is now bringing up again. Wages were driven down and unemployment reached unprecedented highs during that particular period.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003ELabour in its last term in Government worked extremely hard to ensure that we regained some of the losses suffered under that National Government. Working for Families helped to reduce child poverty. We had affordable primary health care so that our children who had been unhealthy under that previous National Government could access a doctor and go to the hospital when that was required. Labour restored income-related rents. Under that National Government, people were kicked out of their homes and the housing stock was left unsupported. Labour introduced 20-hours\u2019 free early childhood education and we reduced unemployment. But all the gain that was made in 9 years we have lost in only 2 years under John Key\u2019s National Government. We have lost it, and the inequality gap continues to widen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EIndustrial unrest is what we saw at Labour weekend. Unemployment is increasing, and the children of our ordinary families up and down the country continue to suffer under this Government. This is not a family-friendly Government; it is not a child-friendly Government. Under this Government, failed right-wing economic policies are widening the gap, so we are losing. Our families, the people of Mana, and the people up and down this country will have to fight if we are going to regain ground and put children at the centre of policies. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EIf we want to achieve the dreams of our children, our future leaders, we will have to fight to get a Labour Government in office. I know that the people of Mana will bring Kris Fa\u2019afoi back as their MP, because they will fight for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022 data-id=\u0022e4e89e3bd9d84eaeb5acfad0d361bcff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e4e89e3bd9d84eaeb5acfad0d361bcff\u0022\u003EDr PAUL HUTCHISON (National\u2014Hunua):\u003C/span\u003E I heard only a few weeks ago from one of New Zealand\u2019s leading children\u2019s organisations that the former, failed Labour Government, under its Working for Families policy, failed thousands of New Zealand children. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EBut there is good news. Health is better, sooner, and more convenient. We notched up yet another success last Friday with the opening of Waiuku Health Plus, a primary integrated medical health centre, by the Minister of Health and me in the excellent Hunua electorate, which is, by chance, the very electorate that I am privileged to represent. It is yet another sign of the significant gains to health services under the National Government. Firstly, I congratulate Dr Mark Eustace, his wife, Jo, the many medical staff and other colleagues, and the developer. They were prepared to put in their own personal capital, take risks, and develop one of the finest integrated centres I have seen anywhere in the world. It will be the lifeline of this rural community for many, many years to come. The facilities include doctors\u2019 surgeries, specialist facilities, physiotherapists, pharmacy facilities, even a hypnotherapist, and much, much more. This is a magnificently designed building that will serve the primary-care needs of that rural community, and it will be replicated throughout the country over the years to come. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EThe point I want to make is that this was done with a sympathetic district health board in a climate in which the public health system and the Minister of Health collaborated with the private system, unlike a phenomenon I recall from some years ago when Helen Clark, the then Labour Prime Minister, refused to turn up to the opening of the futuristic and excellent Ascot Integrated Hospital, because she said she did not believe in a private health system. What a dreadful indictment!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EIt is no coincidence that the Waiuku doctors had wanted to carry out a public-private partnership on the site of the old Franklin Memorial Hospital 5, 6, or 7 years ago. But at that time, under the climate of a Labour Government, they were literally obstructed. There was nothing they could do. Instead, they took the initiative into their own hands. They were prepared to take the risks and they have built this very forward-looking, excellent community facility that will serve the community for so long. The National Government will encourage this exercising of choice for the people of New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EThe recent passage of the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Amendment Bill was historic in that all submitters agreed to it, as did all parties\u2014even the Labour Party. This means that New Zealand health services will be not be subject to the electoral swings that have occurred vastly over the last 20 or 30 years. An insightful National Government has brought in well-crafted legislation, and that legislation ensures that we run an efficient, effective health service in which every health dollar counts, which is something that the former Minister of Health the Hon Annette King failed to do in the health system, which was reflected by the Labour Government\u2019s doubling the amount of money spent for no extra services. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EThe other thing that the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Amendment Bill will do is ensure that back-office bureaucracy is minimised and the resources moved to the front line, which is something that will be more and more prevalent under this excellent National Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220fc05f1c-47b0-4fb0-8298-2f347adae4e3\u0022 data-id=\u00225f28207c5ece494f9003e0aefa2cbbd4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fc05f1c-47b0-4fb0-8298-2f347adae4e3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225f28207c5ece494f9003e0aefa2cbbd4\u0022\u003EHon Sir ROGER DOUGLAS (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E For the past 15 years New Zealand has been slipping slowly\u2014some people would say, not so slowly\u2014into economic difficulty; some might even say that it is headed towards chaos. This has happened over the past 15 years because both Labour and National have been prepared to compromise any principles they claim to have. We have seen a preparedness to write a cheque for whatever demands the latest focus-group puts out there. The worst case of this was probably at the 2005 election when Labour was re-elected, probably thanks to interest-free student loans. That did the trick. This year it is putting up the idea that it would take GST off some items of food. That is why New Zealand is in economic difficulty. I must say that it is not helped by a National Government that says: \u201CThese things are sacred. We will not touch the interest-free student loans.\u201D, even when it knows it is madness; \u201CWe will not look at the age of retirement of 65.\u201D, when it knows that the big issue that will confront New Zealand over the next 10 or 20 years is the clash between young and old, as the young start to say that they are either leaving this country, or they are not prepared to pay for the benefits at the current level. The National Government will not touch Working for Families and it will not even look at the issue of privatisation, even if it means higher productivity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fc05f1c-47b0-4fb0-8298-2f347adae4e3\u0022\u003EThe fact is that we as a nation are borrowing $250 million a week, or $13 billion a year. For a family of four, we are borrowing about $240 a week. We have had a situation where over the last 11 years this country has increased Government expenditure out of all proportion to what is reasonable. We have seen a situation whereby Government spending per person under Labour increased over 9 years by $5,500 in real terms, and in 2 years under National it has increased by $1,500 in real terms. Government spending has increased by $7,000 per person in real terms, or by $525 a week for a family of four. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fc05f1c-47b0-4fb0-8298-2f347adae4e3\u0022\u003EWe might well ask what we as a nation get for that increased spending of $7,000 per person, or $525 a week for a family of four. Do all children receive a decent education as a result of this massive increase in public spending? No. Do most people retire with enough money to live in comfort in this country? No. Does everyone receive health treatment when they need it? We have increased public expenditure by $7,000 per person, or by $525 a week for a family of four. Do they get health treatment when they need it? No. Have we eradicated poverty? No. On the very goals that the welfare State has sought to achieve, no one in this country can genuinely argue that we have succeeded. Even the modern-day proponents of the welfare State, be it National, Labour, the Greens, or the M\u0101ori Party know deep down that it has failed. But they think they have the solution, that all we need to do is increase spending; but increasing Government spending by $7,000 per person in real terms over 11 years has not done it\u2014maybe $10,000 will! The fact is that National and Labour should apologise to the people of this country. They do not really care. The only thing they care about is re-election.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022 data-id=\u002290d56ba1914c4b08b79c8db207d862c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002290d56ba1914c4b08b79c8db207d862c4\u0022\u003ESIMON BRIDGES (National\u2014Tauranga):\u003C/span\u003E What a privilege it is to be a small part in the John Key - led National Government. To some extent, I go along with some of the things that the previous speaker, Sir Roger Douglas, has said, because he is right. Actually, the National Government does have a $13 billion deficit this year. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003EWe are borrowing $256 million a week, I think, to keep things going and to ensure entitlements, and does it not just show the lie in Labour politics when those members come into this House and talk about all the cuts and the cutbacks? We are keeping things going. We are a centrist Government, which is doing the right things at the right moments in this country\u2019s economy. [Interruption] Many people say such very rude things about Trevor Mallard, but I do not mind him. I saw an uncommon act of humanity when Sir Roger Douglas tipped over his glass of water\u2014Trevor Mallard went over and did something about it. I like that; that is the sort of thing I expect a National MP to do, but it was very good of him to do that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003EI will talk about the tax cuts, because I have not had the chance in this House since 1 October to talk about them, and now we know that they are bedded in. The remarkable thing\u2014again, something that shows the lie in Labour politics\u2014is how well the tax cuts have worked. Despite all the scaremongering by Labour, I am not getting emails any more from people complaining about GST, because they are seeing the very real impact the tax cuts are having across the board for them. People are seeing the money in their pockets. They are feeling it. They are very, very happy about the tax cuts. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003EI am not an economist; I am the first to admit that. But I know that when we have $2 billion in GST rises and we have $4 billion going out in tax cuts across the board, that means that 73 percent of Kiwis have a top marginal tax rate of 17.5 percent. That has to be good, not just for fat cats but for all Kiwis on all incomes. We have done a very good thing there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003EIn electorates like Tauranga, \u014Ctaki, and Hutt South, which Trevor Mallard represents, where there are significant populations of elderly people, the news is best for them. Over the last couple of years an average married couple on superannuation, with a home, has had $100 extra. They have had an additional $40 in compensation with the tax cuts, so they are substantially better off. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003EOne does not need to be an economist to know that there is more cash in people\u2019s pockets as a result of what National has done. One does not need to be an economist to know that with inflation at 1.5 percent, things are going pretty well in terms of prices staying where they are. After-tax wages are much higher than they have been in the last 5 or 6 years, I think, under Labour, and Labour members do not like it. There has been real after-tax wage growth. It is not miracle stuff. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003ESlowly but surely we are putting things in place. We are putting the incentives in place. We have lowered taxes. We are increasing the infrastructure spend, with all the efficiency that that brings. We are bringing better, smarter public services, moving things to the front line. We are reforming the regulations. We are bringing in education and skills in a way that Trevor Mallard, frankly\u2014I know he tried his best\u2014could not do. We are encouraging business innovation and trade in this country. I repeat what I said when I started: it really is a privilege to be part of this National-led Government\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225ff5e1c4dd5844a0899e568f44292072\u0022\u003EStuart Nash\u003C/span\u003E: You said \u201Ca small part\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b33b750eb6a413abdd1dbfcfcfa4f86\u0022\u003ESIMON BRIDGES\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, a small part\u2014small in stature\u2014but, nevertheless, I am privileged to have a part in this Government, led by John Key, as we do a lot of good in this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003EThe debate having concluded, the motion lapsed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022439f548cb1d3448f829a911bc1a30912\u0022\u003ERugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00220d6a1c4969eb4232a86a1f849b4b042c\u0022\u003EInstruction to Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022ff1ec32669a34d9aaf16cd31d7de83b1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ff1ec32669a34d9aaf16cd31d7de83b1\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill that it have the power to consider and, if it thinks fit, adopt typescript amendments to clause 51 in the name of the Hon Trevor Mallard. That amendment is very, very important. Although it may well be that there will be no decision to rule it out, I think it is important that we have a belt and braces approach and ensure that the Committee has the ability to discuss it and that there be no question of it being ruled out. The amendment is designed to ensure there is a system put in place whereby a Minister is unable to adjust a recommendation of the Rugby World Cup Authority, such that he or she ends up approving something that is not otherwise approved by that authority. In relatively simple terms, the amendment is to ensure that there are proper checks and balances placed in the system. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI will use an example. In the case of an urgent application post-August, it would mean that under the current legislation there could be a full hearing of an authority. We could have witnesses, council people, and all sorts of experts\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224da28842929f4f769fa99e1ac0594396\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I need a bit of clarification from the member who is on his feet. It is my understanding that this amendment is in order; therefore, it does not need an instruction of the House for it to be debated. It is in order. Please acknowledge that there has been a change of presiding officer while this has been happening. I need to understand what the member is doing, because it is my understanding that the amendment is totally in order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022885a6a8edeae44a4ba9e5db549dc8690\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: I think you are almost certainly right, Mr Assistant Speaker, but I have also checked this. Notwithstanding the fact that it is likely to be in order, that does not prevent this motion being moved in order to make absolutely certain of that. There is no restriction on this motion. It is something that has been checked through very carefully over the last 24 hours, and I have had an absolute assurance that this motion and the next few that will come before the Committee are in order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e64dab460584081adeb60242b1d4c7d\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I am just trying to think through the precedent of what the member is actually doing. The discipline of this House is that it lives by precedent. It would occur to me that although this step might be in order, it may set some precedents that take the House in a direction that the House does not want to go in. Having given the member an assurance that his amendment is in order and will be acceptable to the Committee of the whole House, I am perplexed as to why the member is seeking this particular course of action.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287585c55f3f04dc1b5ee7e0dcece518c\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: I think members on the other side of the House are well aware of the reason for us doing this. There has been quite a lot of discussion between members from both sides of the House on the way that this bill is being handled. It is my understanding that although this is unusual, and may even be unprecedented, it is within the Standing Orders. I think you are right; it is probably identifying a loophole within the Standing Orders and could well set a precedent that people may want to close off through a change to the Standing Orders, but that does not mean that it can be ruled out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225f3a37142437434784d969c50626a19d\u0022\u003EChris Tremain\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Given that you have ruled that the amendment that the Hon Trevor Mallard has put on the Table for debate is within order and will be debated as part of clause 51 within one of the parts of the bill this afternoon and this evening, it seems to me that the Hon Trevor Mallard is attempting to trifle with the House\u2019s time and to delay our progressing to the bill. I think that is trifling with the House\u2019s time, and I ask you to rule that this be out of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222769cdf95342475695fba2874135041d\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to that\u2014 \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022279d08860f7d4b8dbf7d5fcd5e950609\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I will listen to the member, then I will respond.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220090dd0f4ed54717b76b41f60082882a\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, sure. I think that what the member should know is that one of the honourable roles of the Opposition is to delay. It is a longstanding precedent. The term \u201Cfilibuster\u201D is well known in both United Kingdom and United States politics. When bad law is being made, one of the roles of the Opposition, and one of the very few tools of an Opposition that does not have the votes to stop particular legislation, is to make sure that it is subject to a debate that is as extensive as is possible in order to ensure the best possible examination of it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220be6f546ffa9485ab7d456cc02647005\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: Standing Order 172(1) states: \u201CAn instruction may be given to a committee of the whole House extending or restricting its powers \u2026\u201D. What the member is seeking to do is not actually extending or restricting. He has assured me that he has done some work in the last 24 hours. I have not had the opportunity to do that work. These are the options open to me: I can rule that the member is having a debate that is not necessary and therefore it is out of order, I can let the debate take its full course, or I can perhaps indicate to the House that a closure motion might be considered at some near time in the future, when a considered decision from the Speaker might be the best way forward. But I will allow the member to finish his speech.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002251ed5ec92cee4ce7931eb8763f338ef4\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I think a problem has now developed. It probably has been caused by the fact that there was a change of Speaker. Mr Speaker accepted this motion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294884e9c28d44f4b930b565e996cf960\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: That is what I have done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022951b816c54df4eb7a02c61ff6f18f2ee\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: I am pleased to hear that, because it is very, very important. The amendment that has been discussed is important, and by way of extension I just want to make it very clear that in my opinion this does make an extension because it provides both belt and braces in this arrangement. [Interruption] Well, Peter Dunne is the person who probably understands belt and braces better than anyone else. As I indicated earlier, the danger that we are facing is that there is a full hearing of an authority, which takes a decision to decline a particular application. It says that no, that should not happen. It might, for example, be the demolition of a historic building. On the basis of the evidence, a decision is made not to demolish that historic building. The way the bill is at the moment, and without consideration of my amendment, a Minister could then say: \u201CIt does not matter what the judge said, it does not matter about the fact that there was a hearing, I am going to allow my mate\u2019s house to be demolished.\u201D They might have a party central, or a little \u201Cparty not central\u201D there, for a period of time, but afterwards the section becomes available for building on, in a way that would not otherwise be the case under current planning legislation because a demolition would not previously have been allowed. It goes to the ability of a judge to make a decision, and whether the House should be considering that they have the ability to consider it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI have another point I would like to make, and I do not think I am doing this by way of a point of order. I think I am doing it by way of debate, although it does do it by way of referring to the comments that you, Mr Assistant Speaker Roy, made when you were on your feet. It is not for the Speaker to rule whether something is in or out, at the Committee. It is a matter for the Chairman. The Speaker cannot give an assurance, because it is not his role to give an assurance on something that he must rule on when sitting in the Chairperson\u2019s Chair, while he is sitting in the Speaker\u2019s Chair. In fact, I think there could be some question of conflict if Speakers attempted to take that sort of approach. Although I do not think there are many men who are more honourable than you are, as far as the House is concerned, and we do of course rely on your word, I think we have to be very clear that the role of the Speaker is different from the role of the Chairman, and in fact the only\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ed563c41c3945ed931c5146c3b74d6b\u0022\u003EChris Tremain\u003C/span\u003E: Is this a speech or a point of order?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002269f2dfeb1a0148a091c162a35356723b\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: No, I think it is entirely within order. The only circumstance where the Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226609481ce58a4f768cb0ba01ffdfbf91\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I have told the member to continue with his speech. This is not a point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4ea16c793584c69a56e48516a1f2367\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: No. I made it clear it is not a point of order, but I am referring to your comment, just to make it clear.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002274875606cc8d48299f2168f7afb1cdd5\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: The member should not litigate my ruling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002251785a2a11b54618a6c55ed3c604d474\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: No, I am not litigating; I am adding to it. I am saying how much I trust you. The point I am making is that the House is unable to be given assurances by the Speaker in this matter, because the role of the Speaker will be to consider the matter if in fact the Chairman in error ruled it out. That then would be a case for bringing the Speaker back to the House in order to debate the issue. I think you could see that it would be more than slightly incongruous for you, Mr Assistant Speaker Roy, to rule on a matter as Speaker and then to rule on it as Chairman. There is the possibility of ruling on your own ruling as Chairman. I think that sort of approach is the one taken in the Fijian Parliament or some other place where democracy is non-existent. That is probably the only place where that would occur. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI want to make clear that the Labour Opposition is very firm that it is important to have this debate. I know that my colleagues are very keen to outline to you why they think a belt and braces approach is necessary on this particular legislation. I might say also that because there has been a lot of debate about this matter of power within the select committee and within the media, and because there has been a lot of discussion about the powers in the Canterbury legislation, following the earthquake, the issue of the limits of ministerial power are very much alive in New Zealand now. That is why it is important that this debate is held on this subclause. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EAt this stage, and without going into the substance of the debate, because I think we will get to the debate on Part 4 today or possibly after the adjournment, I say that this is very important. I am slightly ambivalent on this argument myself, but I think there is a certain lack of trust in the current Minister and the way that he might exercise the powers. I think it is fair to say that the Minister has a growing reputation, which has been highlighted by my colleague Phil Twyford, inter alia, of being involved in micro-management across portfolios. I think it is fair to say that the fingerprints are not always left there, but there are a few greasy marks on the piece of paper. There are signs on the piece of paper of a Minister becoming involved in areas that he should not be involved in. That is why we think it is important that a Minister should not get the power, without any consideration from the Regulations Review Committee. I know that my colleague Lianne Dalziel is involved in that committee, and certainly Chris Hipkins is involved in that committee. If the decisions of the Minister were, for example, reviewable by a committee of this Parliament, then I am sure\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022241dfe12ef2648cf92915e6446791da2\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Sounds like another amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022120bf50a21c54cd9bf6ead058480ce37\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I think there will be an amendment; there will be amendment after amendment and we will take about 10 minutes to deal with each of them, as the day goes on. But if these are not to be considered by any court, because there is not time, and not to be considered by the Regulations Review Committee, then it is important that the Minister not be left with this power. I want to remind the House of what we are doing. We had someone who is an experienced judge\u2014with a panel\u2014hear the evidence and make a decision, but at the end of that the Minister said that declining that position\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022559934e0eeeb4f88a99cce3ce12acf77\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s time has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022 data-id=\u002288cb9a7d228b43f8b138bf4bae57daa3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002288cb9a7d228b43f8b138bf4bae57daa3\u0022\u003ECHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224caccbd6308649d795b453730b463dbb\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I will accept the closure, for this reason: I think it is a novel approach and an interesting one that the Hon Trevor Mallard has promoted. I know I do not have to give a reason why I have accepted it. I will bring back a considered opinion. I do not believe the honourable member in his speech proved the case that this did extend or restrict, so the question is that the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002257203f8ab9f74ca5835c6f9cff7f379d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 69\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; M\u0101ori Party 5; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 51\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 41; Green Party 9; Progressive 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022de3baa6a133e406090931f545fe2dd16\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill that it have the power to consider and, if it thinks fit, adopt typescript amendments to clause 51 in the name of the Hon Trevor Mallard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 56\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 41; Green Party 9; M\u0101ori Party 5; Progressive 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 64\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022 data-id=\u002204f04c8c741f40eba19de57b203d696c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002204f04c8c741f40eba19de57b203d696c\u0022\u003ECHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Clearly the Opposition wants to put up another couple of amendments and go through the same charade that we have just been through. In speaking, the Hon Trevor Mallard has acknowledged that he is doing this to filibuster. He has acknowledged that that is a tool that the Opposition has at its disposal. I bring it to your attention that this can be used only within the rules of the House and within the Standing Orders of the House. If the amendments that the member is seeking to have debated before we get into the Committee stage are in fact already to be debated and have been agreed to be in order, then I think the process of going through the charade that we have just seen in the last 10 minutes is a complete waste of the House\u2019s time and I think you should rule them out of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225448e430174840689a8710e56c1d1894\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: Firstly, I cannot prejudge what or what may not happen. I assure all members that I will assiduously enforce the rules of this House, as laid down by both Speakers\u2019 Rulings and the Standing Orders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002281939d237a694365b2efb48719a9ed84\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002281939d237a694365b2efb48719a9ed84\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I move that it be an instruction to the Committee on the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill that it have the power to consider and, if it thinks fit, adopt the typescript amendment to amend Subpart 3 by adding new clause 72(1)(a)(iii), set out in the name of Iain Lees-Galloway. Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d7549b7a40954f64aaa4f1af5da12d8f\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: No, I have indicated to the member that I will bring back a ruling on these matters. Although the member did raise at an earlier time that it is not for the Speaker to give an instruction or to presume what the Committee as a whole may or may not do with amendments before the House, there is also\u2014and I commented on this earlier\u2014a well laid-out set of rules that we abide by, both in Speakers\u2019 rulings and in the Standing Orders. It is those same rulings that the presiding officer of the House will judge any amendment on at the time. Therefore, I am not prepared to accept the motion that the member was about to move.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022bd238937d5334d69abd286622292472f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bd238937d5334d69abd286622292472f\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I am in a very difficult position, because we now have a Speaker ruling differently from the senior Speaker, who ruled on the very same issue about 20 minutes ago. Mr Assistant Speaker Roy, you know that I have considerable respect for you and for your integrity. Certainly there is no doubt that you as Speaker\u2014because you are sitting in the Chair as Speaker\u2014have the ability to make rulings, as has Mr Speaker. So I am not debating your ability to do that; the question I ask is whether precedent applies in this House, and whether precedents set by a Speaker on consideration not 20 minutes ago\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022174f65baf2104bb98843ae40ca0825b4\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: Let me truncate this somewhat: the member is out of order because Parliamentary Practice in New Zealand, by David McGee, page 369, states: \u201CA member may move only one instruction in relation to the same bill.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003ETherefore, I declare the House in Committee for the Rugby World Cup\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022 data-id=\u0022bd5173bc173045d2a813b40143e649cb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bd5173bc173045d2a813b40143e649cb\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour\u2014Palmerston North):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That it be an instruction to the Committee on the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill that it have the power to consider and, if it thinks fit, adopt typescript amendments to clause 72 in the name of Iain Lees-Galloway. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4eafc87b29e455db4f660aa8b9d5ffb\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I have said that I will bring a ruling to the House. I realise that members want to progress this matter now, but the case really has to be made for an extension of, or change in, the restriction to a motion, and the rules are quite clear. Although the member earlier said that it is not for the Speaker to give an instruction to the Chair, the rules are quite clear about whether there is an extension or limitation. I cannot see where that occurs, so I have said that I will bring a ruling back to the House on this matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022580a8a65cbee4616b93383493680be63\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022580a8a65cbee4616b93383493680be63\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. In a way, the ruling you have just given would have been fair for the previous amendment, when there was debate about whether there was an extension or restriction. But there is no doubt in the case of this amendment. It is a question of whether it is within scope, and my view is that this amendment is also probably within scope. There is no doubt whatsoever that this amendment extends the bill into an area that is not otherwise considered, because it extends it to details of transportation options available near the premises. My firm view is that the amendment is within the broad scope of the bill, but, notwithstanding that it is within scope, it is an extension from the point at which it currently sits. Again, I hope that you will continue to seek advice on this amendment, Mr Assistant Speaker, because it is my firm opinion that it involves an extension. It goes into an area that, although within the broad parameters of the bill, is something that is not currently touched on. It is something that goes beyond what is in the Sale of Liquor Act, because requirements on transportation are not part of that Act. But in this one, having these transportation details\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f7728220860040c3b50313adf7cf075d\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a617f4b73cd4f14984198e2758a7db1\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: I am making very serious comment to you, Mr Assistant Speaker. I accept that as the Speaker in the Chair you would automatically rule on the previous amendment, but it is fair to say that within this amendment there is at least a modicum of doubt about the issue. I will repeat the comment I made before: it cannot be for a Speaker to rule on the role of a Chair, unless by way of appeal; that would prejudice the right of the Opposition to then take things to the Speaker later. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022 data-id=\u00223b5d238309ae43e5a5cedbf1ae1a0ca2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223b5d238309ae43e5a5cedbf1ae1a0ca2\u0022\u003ECHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E There is no modicum of doubt in that respect. This amendment is part of the scope of the bill. It is within Part 5 and can be debated there. The present debate is totally superfluous and is trifling with the House\u2019s time. I ask, Mr Assistant Speaker, that you rule against these amendments. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4fd77fcf4184829b63706359831f665\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I think the member makes a point, which I will pick up on. How can the Speaker possibly make a ruling when he has not been presented with the amendments, or given the opportunity to give consideration to them, in the same way a Chair would when amendments are tabled in the Committee of the whole House? For that reason, since 1856 we have had a process by which the House in Committee makes these rulings. I understand that members have raised a serious point. I have given an assurance that these matters will be considered, and that a finding will be brought back. For that reason, I am ruling that I am not prepared to accept debate about instructions to the Committee in the manner in which that has been raised. I therefore declare the House\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002297a8fd47f7b145c7aebce74b27645471\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002297a8fd47f7b145c7aebce74b27645471\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Now this gets to something that I think is very serious\u2014that is, what happens when there is doubt in the Speaker\u2019s mind as to his role. You have said\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278398e44df284586ac9f931432eef1cf\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: Let me answer that point. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c58c62cffb764b6880f263e0362221b1\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: No, I have not finished\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fb5a5b99e7214f8db86ffbb4e5808d29\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: Let me answer that quite clearly. There is an option: if the House is in any way displeased or has a question, it has the right to recall the Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022445a7a533e15476c853cb2c6b27387bb\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: No, we don\u2019t now\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf584d5844224fc48a3ffa2f39b73350\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: The member will just listen; he will not interrupt me when I am giving a ruling on a point of order. When the House is in Committee, if members who put an amendment or a Supplementary Order Paper on the Table feel that an inappropriate ruling has been given by the Chair, it is the right of the Committee of the whole House to then call the Speaker back, and the Committee can do that. I have given an assurance that there will be a ruling, so that gives us some time to do that. It seems to me, also, that to ask the Speaker to rule on amendments that are not tabled in front of the Speaker is a totally inappropriate way to do business; it is for that reason amendments are tabled in the House. I therefore declare\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00222604826026554fdba147341cc4a82857\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222604826026554fdba147341cc4a82857\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I think you have missed the point. We are not asking you, as Speaker, to rule on amendments; we are asking the House to make a decision. It is the right of members to ask the House to make a decision. I am not asking you, as Speaker, to rule something in or out. That is something for the Chairman to do. What I am asking the House to do, and what my colleague is asking the House to do, is for the House to make a decision. One of the rights of the Opposition is to put motions that are within the Standing Orders. I do not think you have argued that these amendments are not within the Standing Orders. I think they are\u2014in fact, the Speaker, Dr The Rt Hon Lockwood Smith, has accepted one amendment. You have had another come before you, Mr Assistant Speaker, and you have quite rightly ruled. I was not aware of the McGee ruling on the ability to move only one instruction to the Committee, but my colleague then moved another instruction. No one is asking you, as Speaker, to rule on these amendments. In fact, it is my view that you cannot, unless these are clearly\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5d580dc36934c04bd51d12997520b32\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: Let me respond to that, because I am bound to apply the Standing Orders. Standing Order 172(1) states: \u201CAn instruction may be given to a committee of the whole House extending or restricting its powers \u2026\u201D. So I have to rule whether the debate is in order, because that will either extend or restrict the powers of the amendment. That is what I have to rule on, so in effect I have to rule on the amendment. In that respect, and as a way forward, the member is saying that the House should be able to vote on that. My thought, perhaps\u2014because as Speaker I should take a ruling\u2014is that I will apply the same procedure that I applied in the first instance, so on this occasion I will accept that procedure on this amendment, which is that the member can take a call. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022733e5b707cb24f70b769a571fa6aecd1\u0022\u003EIain Lees-Galloway\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022 data-id=\u00228b2a73d4f28e44d0be6169c15cf4069e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228b2a73d4f28e44d0be6169c15cf4069e\u0022\u003ECHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. We have been through this process, and clearly it has been accepted on the Opposition\u2019s side of the House that this is simply a filibustering technique. The amendments that have been tabled, which the Opposition is asking to be debated, are within scope, as the member has admitted, and therefore will be debated as part of the bill in the Committee stage. But these amendments should be ruled out of order, and we should move on to the Committee stage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf5927d3da544e4592ea2ee785d703dc\u0022\u003EIain Lees-Galloway\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247eeddec9e7947caa2ad6d60cdcdeef2\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I ask the member just to give me a moment. Members can observe that I have taken some advice on this. I am troubled by the fact that I have to apply Standing Order 172. I understand that these amendments are all within the scope of the bill, and therefore the process that we are taking is now unnecessary. What I can do is put the motion to the House, without debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022d1e6fa64785344cfba537ddd5805c970\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d1e6fa64785344cfba537ddd5805c970\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. You have just called my colleague. You cannot interrupt his speech in order\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f59069d9fda4766b9ab5cb71ec58f52\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: Let me make the point quite clear. I have not called the member. He made a bid for a call and I ruled it out completely. I have not, at any stage in this debate, given a call to that member. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ab9e421ca4742c68d161cc4419d94eb\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: I invite you to take some advice and review your decisions, Mr Assistant Speaker, because you did say that you would hear from Ian Lees-Galloway. He stood up, he took the call, and he was just starting when Chris Tremain interrupted him with a point of order. I am checking with my colleagues, but I think I can give you an assurance that you gave the call to Ian Lees-Galloway. Once you have done that, it is my view that you cannot rule the debate out of order at that point. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220fc1321043c44f84976b4942dc7c2522\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: The member is correct in that if I had given a call, I had given a call to Ian Lees-Galloway.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022 data-id=\u00224f3c59f246fa467f99548f63a945d8aa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224f3c59f246fa467f99548f63a945d8aa\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour\u2014Palmerston North):\u003C/span\u003E The reason I have asked the House to instruct the Committee to consider this amendment\u2014and I accept that it is on the bounds of the scope of the bill\u2014is that the amendment offers an excellent opportunity to reinforce public safety. The amendment seeks to amend clause 72, \u201CConditions applying to all licences\u201D. Clause 72(1) states: \u201CA licence granted under this Part is, unless expressly stated otherwise, subject to the following conditions:\u201D. Clause 72(1)(a)(i) refers to the signage available in a licensed premises and outlines that that sign must be \u201Ceasily read by persons immediately outside the principal entrance of the premises or within the area;\u201D. That offers up an opportunity that this amendment would address. I recognise and accept that it is something of an extension to the original bill, and that is why I ask that the House consider at this point instructing the Committee of the whole House to consider it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EThe opportunity that lies here is to reinforce public safety using the signage that the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill will require to be in place in licensed premises. It gives the opportunity for that signage to offer a public safety message that patrons should seek out safe transportation options, and the options available to patrons should be clearly made available to patrons who are enjoying the entertainment within a licensed premises. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EThis is an important issue to cover in the current environment where we have a very high blood-alcohol level tolerance in New Zealand. In fact, a number of patrons within those establishments would get to see this message if this amendment was accepted. They will come from countries where the blood-alcohol level tolerance is lower, and perhaps the adjustment they will have to make on coming to New Zealand may lead to some unsafe practices and unsafe situations on our roads, particularly in Auckland\u2014where a number of the games are and where there are already a number of transport issues\u2014but also in communities right across the country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EAs I said, I accept that this is something of an extension to a clause about licensing, the licence that is granted, and the requirement to publicly display a message that shows that the licence under which that premises is operating is a Rugby World Cup licence rather than the standard licence under which a premises would ordinarily operate. In those terms, clause 72 is actually quite narrow, and in its original form it does not allow for these sorts of safety messages to be included. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EOne could argue that a whole range of safety messages could be included, and that is probably why the original clause is so narrow in its definition. But I seek the House\u2019s approval to consider this amendment because I think it would have a significant impact on the community and would probably be the most important message we could get through to people. I do not think, for instance, that there would be much point in putting forward an amendment about the proximity of hospitals, the proximity of police stations, the proximity of drug treatment facilities, or anything like that. But in all likelihood most people will require some form of transportation so this is the most relevant and most obvious change that could be made, and signage in the licensed premises offers us as a Parliament the best opportunity to address an issue of considerable debate in the public at the moment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EThe public want to see Parliament taking the issue of drink-driving seriously. So, again, even though this amendment is something of an extension in the current environment\u2014we have an active campaign by one of our leading national newspapers encouraging respected members of the public and parliamentarians to get on board with the drink-driving message, to consider safe options for transportation, and to be aware of the options that are available to them\u2014it is entirely relevant and appropriate in this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EWe know that the Rugby World Cup as a tournament, as an event, will offer up far more opportunities for people to go out and enjoy themselves, probably become intoxicated, and get themselves into a position where knowledge about the options in terms of transport available to them becomes very, very important in terms of public safety and the safety of the wider community\u2014including those who choose not to be in the licensed premises, those who are simply out on the road, undertaking business that has nothing to do with the Rugby World Cup whatsoever. Those people will be very concerned\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c312205353224dfc97ca2e06365e1417\u0022\u003ESue Moroney\u003C/span\u003E: What are their names?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9ffb117df6c408c966e8534b53999cf\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: I could list them\u2014but those members of the public will be very concerned that although the majority of the impacts are positive, there is the opportunity for some of those impacts on our communities to be negative. This amendment would address and mitigate one of the potentially negative impacts that the Rugby World Cup could have in the wider community. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EIt is not currently incumbent on the licensee who has to display the sign referred to in clause 72(1)(a)(i) and (ii) to make available to patrons information about transportation options. It is a requirement that they have low alcoholic drinks, non-alcoholic drinks, and food, and that those things are all clearly on display. However, although there is a requirement to ensure that transport options are available, there is no requirement in the bill at the moment to make sure that those options are clearly on display and that that information is available to patrons. So by recommending to the Committee of the whole House that this amendment be considered, the House is dealing with an issue not currently provided for in the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EAll the other measures to mitigate the potential harms of alcohol will be on display and available to patrons, but there is no provision for this measure\u2014which is probably the most relevant and would have the most impact\u2014to be on display. I accept and acknowledge that the amendment is probably on the outer limits in terms of the scope of the bill, but I ask that the House consider this motion, vote in favour of it, and direct the Committee of the whole House to consider the amendment in the interests of public safety.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022 data-id=\u002207c9f99213fd42af8d44d948acdfefc1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002207c9f99213fd42af8d44d948acdfefc1\u0022\u003ECHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00223c64e1083c3749e085f8118ae1f514af\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 69\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; M\u0101ori Party 5; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 42\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 41; Progressive 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAbstentions 9\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party 9.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222726624560124070acf0716afd054a76\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That it be an instruction to the Committee on the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill that it have the power to consider and, if it thinks fit, adopt typescript amendments to clause 72 in the name of Iain Lees-Galloway.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 42\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 41; Progressive 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 69\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; M\u0101ori Party 5; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAbstentions 9\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party 9.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213e2a9e9b7a94b6d8d97bb7a25316d19\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I said to the House that I would give a considered opinion on this matter. I have had time to reflect and to take advice. I also say that I have received a message from Speaker Smith, who acknowledges that he was in error to allow these debates to take place. The ruling that I am about to give is: an instruction to empower the Committee to do something the Committee already has power to do is not in order. I will therefore entertain no further points of order or calls in relation to this matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022d916e17a6fb64d55a82f132adcb84190\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d916e17a6fb64d55a82f132adcb84190\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226ab5f014c30e4bb0a019d7c771546900\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: Is this in relation to the ruling I have given?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022560affa4973e49eaa239343bfc39635b\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, it is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bbc293564e8a45da9f67480e5978734a\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I have made a ruling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d26d709fa3174de1881a2deefb453d2e\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: I have heard you, and I am taking a point of order, Mr Assistant Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228ad7e6389fb46b9b10527c6aad17145\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I will hear the point of order, but I caution the member that I have ruled on this matter. I am not going to entertain any discussion in relation to the subject matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022978fd96ecce245f4b6b85a9f2c00ef63\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: I think there is a slight problem. I think there is a problem ruling points of order leading to motions as out of order when you have not yet heard whether those motions extend the bill. I think you are attempting to prejudge motions that members may be moving, and prejudge Supplementary Order Papers that you have no knowledge of. You cannot know, Mr Assistant Speaker, that a motion to be moved is out of order. Once it is moved and once you have examined the particular Supplementary Order Paper to which it refers, of course you have the right to do that. But for you to say, Mr Assistant Speaker, that something is automatically out of order before you have heard what is moved is, in my view, beyond\u2014I know you are prescient, but it does not go quite as far as that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5193ca5c8984643b957bd0d0b4ab6d0\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member for his point of order. I say that in the two debates that we have had, the members have absolutely been unable to convince me that they were extending or restricting the Supplementary Order Paper. I take that into consideration. The next point I make is that we have a process that has stood in this House since time immemorial, and I have reinforced that process. I have not created or instigated it on this occasion; I have simply affirmed the process by which the House has taken place. If the member has a justifiable concern, the appropriate place for that concern is at the Standing Orders Committee. As I say, the process by which the House has taken place has served the House for some time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223306dc2c11e34c0e98853d090c8ab533\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022df7eb121db944c1681a661e822009b03\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I will hear the member, but he should bear in mind that I have been extremely tolerant, and that will diminish very quickly if members seek to challenge the ruling I have just given on consideration, which I promised. I gave the members the opportunity to demonstrate that their Supplementary Order Papers were actually an extension or a limitation. I am now at the end of my patience.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022828ce2738a0e40648d90f352ff3b66ba\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022828ce2738a0e40648d90f352ff3b66ba\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I move that it be an instruction to the Committee on the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill that it have the power to consider and, if it thinks fit, adopt an amendment in my name that extends this bill in order to consider gaming matters not otherwise considered by the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e7370b1829741e08ecab282a3976a40\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: You are out of order, because a member can move only one instruction to the Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207a72a90c1264e8581c5ac482bc4bd81\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bdd62510dbec40eb9e3163fd52aa0fbb\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: No, I am not taking any more points of order on this matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d21ac478c46a44249c510ee059cab470\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4f6e96a4d09448fa660df0d3ad9f611\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: If the member wishes to raise a point of order in relation to Supplementary Order Papers, he will leave the Chamber. The member will.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f187e5dddd16401cba317dbe085d72d1\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221881fdeb6ae4400ead608916b06c4f82\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: The same applies to that member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022acb1cae93ddf4cd2afffe719ded552c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022acb1cae93ddf4cd2afffe719ded552c4\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I just want to get this absolutely clear. You are ruling that a member cannot take a point of order in order to move a matter in relation to a Supplementary Order Paper that you have not seen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b355f63ec2e44bb3a44344e096e298d9\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: That is correct.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00224e2677d81fc148bf9e51dae7c8e49dfe\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000360\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 26 October.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ed81feca919449a49459fd5db7509955\u0022\u003EPart 2  Establishment of Rugby World Cup Authority (continued)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022afe189e6610d4b6fa36a8745cef59b40\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022afe189e6610d4b6fa36a8745cef59b40\u0022\u003EGRANT ROBERTSON (Labour\u2014Wellington Central):\u003C/span\u003E We are debating Part 2 of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill, and in particular the establishment of the Rugby World Cup Authority. The Labour Party supports the establishment of this authority because we see that it is a reasonable mechanism by which to hear urgent matters that may arise in the build-up to the Rugby World Cup. However, as we have stated several times during this debate, we have grave concern about the fact that, having established this authority, the Government is then putting in place a process by which the Minister for the Rugby World Cup, Murray McCully, in consultation with Gerry Brownlee and Nick Smith can override, vary, ignore, and do whatever he likes with that decision. The example I was giving when I spoke before was the question of wet-pour facilities at Eden Park. I note that some material obtained under the Official Information Act actually shows that Gerry Brownlee was refusing to listen to the advice from the police about health and safety concerns over not having wet-pour services for alcohol at Eden Park. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EFrom our point of view this raises a grave concern about the approach that Ministers are taking. A Minister has received advice from the police\u2014the people charged in our community with protecting community safety\u2014that they believe that wet-pour facilities are essential for the health and safety of New Zealanders. If that advice is simply ignored by the Minister, what sort of case does it set for the authority being established in Part 2 of this bill? The authority will give consideration under clause 9. An example of the kind of thing the authority would do is to grant liquor licences. It would go away and it would seek advice\u2014in this case from the police. The police came back and said they believed wet-pour facilities needed to be provided at Eden Park. The Minister got that advice and said that he does not really consider it to be significant, and he is not going to go along with it. That is the concern we have, because the establishment of the authority is a useful process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003ETo see the kinds of people who are going to be appointed to the authority, we look at clause 11 of Part 2, \u201CMembership of the authority\u201D. The membership of the authority will have someone \u201Cwho is a current, former, or retired Judge or a lawyer of at least 7 years\u2019 standing\u201D. That implies a quasi-judicial type of role for this authority, which clearly is required, given that it will have to look at the potential amendment of Acts of Parliament. A serious job is being given to this authority, and serious people are being brought in. Under clause 11(2)(b), there needs to be another member of the authority \u201Cwho is a lawyer of at least 7 years\u2019 standing to be its deputy chairperson.\u201D; then \u201CIn appointing members, the Minister must ensure that the Authority has available to it sufficient members with the knowledge, skill, and experience relevant to the Authority\u2019s functions\u201D. The clause then lists some of that required experience. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EBeing on the authority will be a serious job, and serious people will be undertaking that job, yet in Part 4 the Government is trying to put a process in place that will fundamentally undermine that work. So from our point of view, when we look at Part 2, we see a part that on the face of it we can support but that is undermined by other parts, and that is disturbing to us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EThe process by which the authority will work is then laid out in clause 12 of Part 2, and that is through appointing panels. Again, in looking at the case raised specifically by the police wanting wet-pour facilities to be established, the kind of panel we would establish in relation to that would no doubt have police involvement. Those people whom the authority would have brought in to determine what they would do about those sorts of issues would talk to the police. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EBut Gerry Brownlee on three occasions has had the police go to him, and I have the notes from each of those meetings here. On each of those occasions, Gerry Brownlee declined to go along with police advice about their health and safety concerns; rather, he said he did not feel that the Rugby World Cup 2011 justified putting in place that activity. The police then said they believed that the activity would be a legacy investment that the Rugby World Cup 2011 should put in place for the health and safety not only of New Zealanders but also of visitors to our country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EPart 2 of this bill certainly provides for the authority to make decisions about liquor licences. That was a decision related to the question of the provision of liquor and the provision of licences, and that was an example of the Associate Minister for the Rugby World Cup deciding that he wanted to ignore that decision. He will be one of the people whom Murray McCully, as Minister for the Rugby World Cup, turns to in order to decide what to do about the recommendations of the authority established in Part 2 of the bill. Gerry Brownlee has shown himself to be one of those people who are not interested in what the police have to say about safety, or about how the Rugby World Cup should operate in terms in liquor licences, and I have no confidence that that would not happen over the issue I have referred to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EI think that the authority has probably been given the powers it needs to do its job, with the exception of what is happening in Part 4. I congratulate the committee, which has made a number of minor changes in Part 2, particularly in relation to the functioning of the administrative secretariat in clause 15. The functions have been varied somewhat in order to allow the secretariat to provide advice to the authority, which, again, is useful because the authority will have to act quickly. It needs all of the people around it that it can get. I think that it is important to note once again, in this debate on Part 2, that Labour supports the Rugby World Cup 2011 strongly\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022035e1c999f1045ce9963aac7c06a4612\u0022\u003ENikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: No, you don\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d74fee137944ec384625b05251eb4ea\u0022\u003EGRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: We certainly do. Nikki Kaye can interject across the Chamber. I say that this side of the Chamber supports the Rugby World Cup 2011, and we have done so from the beginning, I tell Ms Kaye.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u002270a4b88b06f94ad7892329746574f50d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002270a4b88b06f94ad7892329746574f50d\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN (National\u2014Waitaki):\u003C/span\u003E One has to wonder at Labour\u2019s priorities when its members stand up in this Chamber and deliberately act as spoilers of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e03e96caba146dba4e05e1b1eef8b3a\u0022\u003EJo Goodhew\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s all they\u2019ve got.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022898a5e8d152b4f749552bd7bb7cec5e6\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I just think that it speaks volumes for the commitment of Labour members to the Rugby World Cup, and I think probably it says that Trevor Mallard\u2014who is no longer the Minister for the Rugby World Cup, Labour having lost the Treasury benches\u2014is throwing a bit of a tanty and doing all he can to spoil the progress of this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003ENew Zealand wants the Rugby World Cup, the Government is behind the Rugby World Cup, and the New Zealand Rugby Union and all the sub-unions around the country are firmly in favour of this Rugby World Cup. Who is acting as the spoiler? Trevor Mallard and his band of little merry men are acting as spoilers for this legislation. I say \u201CShame on them\u2014shame on them!\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThere are a couple of points that I will pick up here. In terms of liquor licensing, the amendment about liquor licensing that was indicated\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225d017eae9b444525b37c637570d07a45\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: Part 2.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221528fac9666541169197a177a2166579\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, thank you, Mr Chair. Seeking to introduce new material into the debate after the select committee process\u2014and I am referring directly to the provisions in Part 2\u2014is contrary to whatever Labour members have said in the past about introducing new material and truncating the Committee process. Labour is merely trying to spoil this process. Trevor Mallard has his nose seriously out of joint because he is no longer the Minister for the Rugby World Cup, and this is just his little tanty to try to slow down the Committee process. He is being aided and abetted in a shameful way by the members of the select committee who, I understood, when we met in consideration of Part 2, acted constructively all the way through the select committee process. In fact, all the way through the consideration of Part 2 we had good, robust debate when going through issues such as the membership of the authority, which the member opposite has just stood up and decried. Well, that is news to me, because during the select committee process we had good discussions on that and general agreement\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022291b0df86df44a0195e47601797268e5\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: No, we didn\u2019t!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203a84814f5ed4d399b7db3fe36c0b2f8\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN\u003C/span\u003E: I do not see any minority report being brought before the Committee in relation to any of the provisions in Part 2. Let us call this what it is: Labour members are filibustering, they have their noses out of joint, and they do not support the Rugby World Cup. I think that that is a terrible shame, and an indictment on the Labour members of how low they are prepared to go to act as spoilers of what should be wonderful legislation to enable a wonderful, marvellous Rugby World Cup event. I hope they come to their senses and start supporting this bill, and supporting the spirit of this bill, as does the Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022 data-id=\u0022ff07971ce4554c2493593351e0c32e87\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ff07971ce4554c2493593351e0c32e87\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour\u2014Palmerston North):\u003C/span\u003E I appreciate the opportunity to enter the debate on the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill for the first time in the Committee of the whole House, and to speak to Part 2, which refers to, and deals with, the establishment of the Rugby World Cup Authority. It is a pleasure to follow Jacqui Dean, who was interested in broadening out the debate. I appreciate that she wanted perhaps to go a little beyond Part 2, and I am happy to speak to some of her concerns about why there was no minority report from the Opposition members on the Government Administration Committee with reference to Part 2. That is because the Labour members actually support Part 2. What we are concerned about is the fact that there are good provisions in Part 2; however\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3fbc1d723e44a4cad2646ce3dd3aee4\u0022\u003ENikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Why wasn\u2019t there a minority report?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022561c0d682ade4a0b85e7647c50e069fb\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: Nikki Kaye asks why there was no minority report. She can continue to interject, and I am happy to respond to her interjections, but perhaps she would let me get to my point. The reason that there is no minority report for Part 2 is that the Labour Opposition actually supports Part 2, but Part 2 is undermined by the provisions in Part 4. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EPart 2 establishes the Rugby World Cup Authority as a body corporate and sets out its functions and powers, which include determining all applications, making recommendations to the Minister, and granting urgent applications. That is a good role for the authority, but the problem is, of course, that Part 4 completely undermines the authority. We may as well not even bother to have the authority, because Part 4 says the Minister can just override it and ignore it. So we speak in favour of this part, but we highlight the fact that other clauses of the bill undermine it. Jacqui Dean brought this issue into the debate; she wondered why Labour had a problem with this bill, and it is because this part, which is a good, valuable part of the bill, is completely undermined. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EI will refer specifically to the amendment to clause 9(2) made by the select committee. One of the things that the authority had to take into account in the original wording was \u201Cthe safety of individuals participating in or attending the Rugby World Cup 2011;\u201D. That has been amended by the select committee\u2014and I think it is a positive move\u2014to read: \u201Cpublic health and safety are protected as far as it is reasonably practicable during the period of the Rugby World Cup 2011\u201D. That amendment made by the select committee is important, because it acknowledges the fact that the event, the Rugby World Cup, will have an impact on New Zealand as a nation and on our community as a whole, not just, as the original wording said, on \u201Cindividuals participating in or attending the Rugby World Cup 2011\u201D. It is a positive change. I think it is fair to say it is an unusual change for this Government to support, given the use of the term \u201Cpublic health\u201D and the Government\u2019s general abhorrence for public health. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EBut what concerns me is that although Part 2 has that provision in it and the authority should be making recommendations to the Minister about what, in practical terms, can be done to ensure public health and safety, and although the authority will no doubt be taking advice from organisations like the police, the Fire Service, public health services, and district health boards\u2014all those organisations will be able to feed into the process and advise the authority, which can then advise the Minister\u2014the Minister can turn round and say: \u201CNo thanks. It is too difficult and too expensive. We will assume there is no issue of public health and safety.\u201D, in the interests of expediency or of securing profits for sponsors. It could be any reason; in fact, the Minister does not particularly need to give a reason. In that way, Part 4 undermines what is a very, very good clause here in Part 2 of the bill. As I said, I think the amendment to clause 9(2) is a good amendment, because it recognises that the issue is about not just safety but also public health. When we have a gathering of people, as we will do with a tournament like this, we have to think beyond just safety issues in terms of alcohol or driving.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022 data-id=\u0022b0c483f1b32e431786dab1bb87be26e5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b0c483f1b32e431786dab1bb87be26e5\u0022\u003ENIKKI KAYE (National\u2014Auckland Central):\u003C/span\u003E I am pleased to take a call on the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill. Firstly, I think we have seen Labour\u2019s true colours in regard to this legislation. We are seeing that those members are clearly trying to undermine good legislation going through the House in support of what will be the largest sporting event that New Zealand has ever held. It will be a time when 4 billion people will be watching us, with 2,000 media. Frankly, it is quite embarrassing, because members opposite sat in the select committee and went through a reasonable process\u2014and members on this side of the Chamber have talked about that process\u2014but then those members did not put in a minority report. They have far too much time on their hands, and Mr Mallard has stirred them up, taking them down a little garden path. My concern is that we have had a very, very clear process there, but there was no minority report. My colleague said it very well by saying that we need to call members opposite for exactly what they are doing. They are filibustering, and they are showing a lack of support for New Zealand by not supporting this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EWe are very clear that this Part 2 of the legislation is about setting up the Rugby World Cup Authority, but we are hearing a lot of contradictions coming from the other side, as well. Yesterday those members said that they supported the process for the establishment of the authority. In fact, Mr Mallard even said yesterday that he supported the fact that Mr McCully was consulting members opposite regarding that membership. But we just heard from Mr Lees-Galloway that\u2014actually, no\u2014because of the provisions about urgent consents, it is Labour\u2019s position that it does not support the legislation, at all. Complete contradictions are coming from the other side of the Chamber. We know what is happening here. We know that this is about wasting New Zealand taxpayers\u2019 money, and we have just seen it via an hour of filibustering. That is not good for New Zealand, particularly when we have had pretty hard economic times.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EI come back, again, to Part 2 of the legislation. We on this side of the Chamber want to be very clear that we are supportive of the authority that is being set up. A very reasonable process has been undertaken in relation to Part 2. There is a very clear process about the membership of the authority, in terms of consulting the Minister of Justice, the Minister for Economic Development, and the Minister for the Environment. They are all elected people. Again, it comes back to some of the arguments that have been raised by the Opposition, in regard to not having an urgent consent process whereby there is a power of veto by the Minister. We on this side of the Chamber would prefer to have elected representatives, rather than unelected people, accountable. That goes to the core and heart of a number of the discussions that have happened so far.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EI say that we on this side of the Chamber support New Zealand, support the Rugby World Cup, and support this legislation going through, compared with a Labour Opposition that is filibustering, that is wasting the Committee\u2019s time, and that does not support the Rugby World Cup. Those members show a lot of contradictions in terms of what they are saying. We are supportive of the Rugby World Cup, and I commend this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022 data-id=\u002289420b8bd325443a8772556a9013d4d9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002289420b8bd325443a8772556a9013d4d9\u0022\u003EJACINDA ARDERN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E It is my absolute pleasure to set the record straight because, very unfortunately, several members of the Government have tried to mislead those who might be watching this debate on the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill. I am happy to restate that Labour absolutely supports the elements of Part 2\u2014in particular, the establishment of the Rugby World Cup Authority. A robust process has been set out there. But I must restate for the benefit of those who may be watching that we do oppose the notion that carte blanche powers should be given to a Minister\u2014powers that are unnecessary. To somehow translate that objection as Labour being against rugby\u2014in fact, I heard the statement that Labour is against New Zealand\u2014is, I find, a stretch.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EWe are trying to make good law. That is our obligation in this Committee. It is our job to make sure that we do that well. We absolutely support the Rugby World Cup, which is why we want to make sure that robust procedures are in place to make sure it happens. In my mind, I am much more comfortable with the way that the authority has been established, the membership of the authority, the procedure of the authority, and the decision-making role that it will play than I am with decisions being deferred or taken out of that authority\u2019s hands at the whim of the Minister, which is essentially what this bill allows. I am against that, and Labour is against that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EBut I will go over some questions I have for the Minister in the chair, the Hon Anne Tolley, who is obviously acting on behalf of the Minister who has responsibility for this bill. My first question is about liability. We are dealing with a circumventing of process and procedure for which the authority has been given powers as set out in this legislation. If, for instance, a Minister takes the ability to make a decision outside the hands of the authority, where does the liability for that decision lie? Does it then lie directly with the Crown, or does it then fall to the authority, which may have made a counter decision to that of the Minister? That is one of my questions on the issue of liability, because we are dealing with quite contentious issues.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EThe Rugby World Cup is an event that has the potential to have significant health and safety issues attached to it, and that could potentially become litigious. I note in Part 2, clause 12, that the ability to question the chairperson\u2019s exercise of his or her discretion before the courts is removed. I imagine that holds for all of the authority\u2019s decisions. In terms of litigation, the power to pursue that via the court is removed; does that power then exist if a decision is made by the Minister? That is a question I put to the Ministers themselves in relation to the issue of liability. It would be useful to have that clarified. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EOtherwise, I think this bill sets out quite clearly the criteria by which the authority must consider various decisions that are within its ambit, and I think those criteria are very, very robust. I see that the select committee made one change in particular, highlighting the importance of ensuring that \u201Cpublic health and safety are protected as far as it is reasonably practicable during the period of the Rugby World Cup 2011.\u201D It then also sets out a range of other criteria. I wonder whether the Minister could point out whether it is intended that the Minister would use the same criteria given to him or her, if the Minister exercises the power given to him or her in Part 4. Will any of those requirements that we are asking the authority to take into account\u2014to which the select committee has given a lot of consideration\u2014be taken into account by the Minister, as well, to fulfil that set of obligations, or does the Minister have different criteria altogether?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EI also thought it was useful that in clause 9(2)(e) of that part, it is pointed out that one of the criteria is \u201Cthe desirability of maximising the benefit to be derived during or after the tournament from things done in preparation for, and in support of, the tournament.\u201D I have another question for the Minister there. Because the select committee has split it out\u2014instead of referring to the Rugby World Cup as a whole, the provision refers just to the tournament\u2014does that criterion not apply for the ancillary events that I notice the select committee has split out? Does that mean that the authority does not need to take into account the desirability of maximising the benefit derived, when we are talking about ancillary events? Is there a separate set of criteria for those?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022f6f771ac4c6447f4942d5ce408852958\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f6f771ac4c6447f4942d5ce408852958\u0022\u003ECHRIS HIPKINS (Labour\u2014Rimutaka):\u003C/span\u003E I am very happy to take a call on Part 2 of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill, and from the very beginning I say that I am quite excited about the Rugby World Cup coming to New Zealand. It will be a major event for this country and I am looking forward to it. I am also very broadly supportive of the establishment of the Rugby World Cup Authority, which is what the second part\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217eb13c6644f4744b14802030c5e47dd\u0022\u003EJohn Hayes\u003C/span\u003E: So why is Mallard off the leash?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b27d29622e247a699d3c2942ec0fb20\u0022\u003ECHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Mallard also supports Part 2, \u201CEstablishment of Rugby World Cup Authority\u201D. I will talk about some of the powers that the authority has, some of the considerations about membership, and, in particular, how the authority will be supported.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EPart 2 establishes the Rugby World Cup Authority as a body corporate. It sets out its functions and powers, which include determining all applications, making recommendations to the Minister for the Rugby World Cup, and granting urgent applications. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EOne of the issues that the Government Administration Committee took into consideration and had some significant discussion on was how best to support the authority in exercising its powers and in making decisions. Effectively, we are taking some of these functions and powers off local authorities, and, for matters related to the Rugby World Cup, transferring them to this authority. But the expertise and the local knowledge, which is quite critical in many of the decision-making processes that will take place, will still reside with those local authorities. So the question is whether a secretariat should be established that would specifically serve the Rugby World Cup Authority, or whether it would be better to draw on local expertise and knowledge from within the existing local authorities. Of course, I tend to go with what the bill has ended up with, which is that it is better to draw on the expertise and knowledge of the existing local authorities. However, the question then becomes whether we can meet the objectives of the bill, which are to speed the process up and make sure we do not have undue delay. Can we do that if we are relying on the local authorities to provide the process and secretarial support? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EIn the case of larger local authorities such as the Wellington City Council or the new Auckland Council, they are likely to have significant resources behind them, and it will not be a problem for them to supply good-quality, robust secretarial support to the authority and to meet those constrained time frames and time pressures that the authority will face. However, if we move to a much, much smaller local authority, that will not necessarily be the case. Even Hamilton, which is not tiny, but which is not a big local authority either\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ebda9b4e7314e99a9fc72d1240d5aef\u0022\u003ESue Moroney\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s the fourth-largest city in New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022376cbc4c30294a8ab4b8cf1529e5ebf8\u0022\u003ECHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014the fourth-largest city in New Zealand\u2014may not have the staff and the support available to support this authority to meet the time frames that it is required to meet. There will have to be a balance between relying on local authorities to support the new Rugby World Cup Authority and providing additional advice and support. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EI think it is important that we understand what the functions of the administrative secretariat will be. As I have said, the administrative secretariat will have to be supplied by existing local authorities. Clause 15 sets out what is required of the local authorities and clause 15(4) sets out the functions of the administrative secretariat. I think the important provision here is clause 15(4)(ba), which states: \u201Cto provide advice to the Authority, in accordance with its requirements, for matters relevant to any determinations of the Authority:\u201D, and then clause 15(4)(bb), which begins \u201Cto act on the instructions that the Authority gives\u201D. Ultimately, the local authorities, the councils, will still be the ones that have to implement whatever decisions the authority makes. So although the authority gets the power that currently resides with the local authorities, that does not simply mean the local authorities do not need to be involved. Whatever decisions the Rugby World Cup Authority makes, the local councils will still be ultimately responsible for implementing them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EHaving the administrative secretariat supplied by the local authorities will certainly assist in making sure that that process works effectively, but we should also acknowledge the resource constraints that that will potentially place on some of the smaller local authorities that may have to deal with that issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u002210a31710584f4d13a4702eab6448915e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002210a31710584f4d13a4702eab6448915e\u0022\u003ESTUART NASH (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I was in my office listening to the television when I heard one of the National members stand up and say that Labour is anti-rugby. At that point, I thought I had to come down to the House and defend the honour of my Labour colleagues. The reason I have a dodgy shoulder and a stuffed hamstring at the moment is that at my age I am still pulling on a rugby jersey and representing this House on rugby fields around the country. I love rugby. Every Saturday I take my son to play rugby, but I am not unusual. This weekend will be based around rugby. It reminds me of a league player who was asked whether he liked the game of league and would die for it. He said that he did not know whether he would die for it\u2014go into a deep coma maybe, but not death. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EI have looked at the part of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill that provides for the make-up of the Rugby World Cup Authority. I love rugby but I also value democracy. Democracy is a fundamental principle that underpins everything we do in this House, and that is what the authority represents. When I look at the make-up of the authority, I understand why Labour is supporting Part 2. The chair of the authority must be a retired judge or a lawyer of at least 7 years\u2019 standing. The deputy chair must be a lawyer of at least 7 years\u2019 standing. This is not an authority that has been just thrown together, made up of people who are passionate about rugby; this is an authority of people who have vast knowledge and competency in organising events, in law, in local town planning, and everything. Clause 12(1) states \u201CWhen any application is received by the Authority under this Act, the chairperson must appoint\u2014(a) a panel\u2026\u201D. Clause 12(2) states the panel \u201Cmust comprise at least 3 members including, as presiding officer, a lawyer of at least 7 years\u2019 standing (who may be the chairperson of the Authority).\u201D Clause 12(3) states \u201Cthe chairperson must have regard to the need for the panel to have available to it sufficient members with the knowledge, skill, and experience relevant to the particular application before it.\u201D The process is very robust, and the authority will not say it does not like rugby, it does not like New Zealand, and it will hold up the Rugby World Cup event, for whatever reason. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EThe reason the authority is being put in place is to ensure that due diligence is undertaken, that due process is followed, that the event is not a shambles, and that we do not ride roughshod over the taxpayers and the citizens of New Zealand. That would be undemocratic. To have a clause in this bill that states the Minister can make decisions without input from any other person is so undemocratic as to be abhorrent. I love rugby but I also love democracy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EI come back to the point made by my colleague Mr Hipkins. Napier will be a proud host. I am thinking the final might even be played in Napier! The bill says the Minister will appoint members of the authority in consultation, etc., but it must have people who understand the local requirements of the region to which the application before it refers. The process is very robust. As it is, it bypasses the standard legal procedure of this House, but it is a very robust process. I cannot understand for the life of me why the Government would want to bypass the authority. It is set up, it is supported by Labour, and it is an authority whose members are supported, I think, by the Minister for the Rugby World Cup in consultation with three of his colleagues. The process is so robust as to be almost watertight.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EI also see that clause 9(2) states that \u201Cthe Authority must, to the extent relevant, have regard to\u2014(a) the desirability of making proper preparation for the Rugby World Cup;\u201D. That is what we are all about. The authority needs \u201Cto ensure the efficient, safe, and lawful conduct of the Rugby World Cup;\u201D. Efficient, safe, and lawful conduct? Goodness me! We are all for that. Every single member of Parliament supports that. Clause 9(2) also refers to \u201Cthe desirability of supporting the appropriate delivery of services by or through Rugby New Zealand 2011 Limited;\u201D. Every single member in this House supports the authority. It is what is needed to ensure that the Rugby World Cup event held in New Zealand is a very, very successful venture. It will be successful\u2014of that I have absolutely no doubt.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224176d34fa32b4d5990d0b6b7db50903a\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: Labour doesn\u2019t support it!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226aa8bd1efea441c896e3c323fdba674b\u0022\u003ESTUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: To hear that member say Labour does not support the Rugby World Cup 2011 is a dreadful statement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022 data-id=\u002210114955da80459db73cd685d622caef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002210114955da80459db73cd685d622caef\u0022\u003EJO GOODHEW (Junior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u00224b3e826c8c0d47e9950e1387061a01e1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224b3e826c8c0d47e9950e1387061a01e1\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I want to respond to the comments made by the member for Auckland Central. I have never heard such self-righteous cant in the last 2 years in this House as we heard from Nikki Kaye in this debate. She did not so much wrap herself in the flag as in an All Black jersey in her enthusiasm to accuse Labour members in this Parliament of not supporting the Rugby World Cup, of not even liking rugby, and of being unpatriotic. How pathetic! Members on the Government benches are threatened by the fact that Opposition members would dare to criticise one part of this bill. I emphasise that it is one part of this bill. We have made it crystal clear at the Government Administration Committee, in public statements, and in the entirety of this debate so far that we are voting for every part of the bill, bar one. We have made that clear in the first reading, in the second reading, and in the entirety of the Committee stage to date. We support this bill; we support the Rugby World Cup; and any attempt to make this an argument about patriotism and whether we support rugby and the Rugby World Cup is absolute nonsense. The member for Auckland Central should know better. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThe member for Auckland Central said that it was embarrassing to see Labour make all these criticisms of the Murray McCully provisions in this bill. She asked why Labour has not put up a minority report. Nikki Kaye should ask herself why any Opposition member would not put up a minority report. It is because members on the Government benches are making a habit of voting down and rejecting minority reports.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221fa6e691180e4296b6fc86f5217a2e81\u0022\u003ENikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s not true.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed6025667b3b4245ba51b110ab315c3e\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: It is absolutely true. We saw it at the Law and Order Committee and we are now seeing it at other committees, too. The Government is so defensive and insecure that it cannot brook any dissent from the Opposition in the form of minority reports, which, after all, are a mechanism that this House has developed over many years to allow the Opposition to have its say and to have a dissenting opinion. In this case we are talking about only one part out of\u2014how many parts are in this bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6d0d9dc22bd4ebf88c9f4b28fffe78c\u0022\u003ESue Moroney\u003C/span\u003E: Seven, I think.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b6366cdf7bcf4d93b4516c92c3d5ba7d\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: There are seven parts. Labour has made it clear that we oppose only one part, yet the member for Auckland Central cannot tolerate the slightest criticism of her bill without going into paroxysms of outrage and self-righteousness by suggesting that Labour does not support the Rugby World Cup. I say to members opposite that they should listen to what the Opposition is saying. We oppose the granting of unfettered powers to the Minister for the Rugby World Cup to override the recommendations of eminent specialists who have been recruited into roles to administer the Rugby World Cup Authority. We think that is undemocratic and we are saying so. That is a perfectly justified opinion. Members opposite should take a deep breath and recognise that this is a debating chamber. This is where we carry out the democracy of our country and we scrutinise legislation. That is what this debate is all about. I am glad to see that the outrage on the part of members opposite seems to have dissipated and we can get on with debating Part 2 of this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThe select committee very usefully clarified some points in relation to the powers of the Rugby World Cup Authority. It made it absolutely explicit in the bill that, in relation to any powers exercised by the relevant statutory body that will be granting liquor licences and considering and issuing consents, the same powers would carry across to the Rugby World Cup. So there is absolutely no doubt about that in relation to the powers of the authority, which are contained in Part 2; it is a very, very useful amendment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EPart 2 also deals with the role of the administrative secretariat. My colleagues have already made the point very clearly that we are entirely happy with the powers of the administrative secretariat. They have been thoughtfully and usefully put together.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022 data-id=\u00223c57fe4688724752a84e8ccf9c51c479\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223c57fe4688724752a84e8ccf9c51c479\u0022\u003EJOHN HAYES (National\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022f21ff4a5959c4522b4ef2184cd36f521\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 69\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; M\u0101ori Party 5; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 51\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 41; Green Party 9; Progressive 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000424\u0022\u003EPart 2 agreed to. \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00224fd6ad0582ff418da820bc2a25afd1ff\u0022\u003EPart 3  Approvals and declarations\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d7232cc4bb6b442884f4e588c97dd4cb\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: The debate on Part 3 includes schedule 2.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u00224d9f1a7da8034d2db803af9fbe6b7f22\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224d9f1a7da8034d2db803af9fbe6b7f22\u0022\u003ECHRIS HIPKINS (Labour\u2014Rimutaka):\u003C/span\u003E I am happy to take a call on Part 3 of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill. This part deals with approvals and declarations. First, I want to set out what the scope of this particular part is. It sets out the scope of the applications that may be made and how they are to be lodged. The applications may seek approvals, declarations, or a change of conditions of an approval or declaration or of existing approvals granted under other enactments. In addition there is a provision for applications relating to events that are not connected with the Rugby World Cup 2011 but for which event organisers wish to test whether a proposed activity\u2014for example, traffic management\u2014is likely to be adequate for the same purpose in relation to the Rugby World Cup 2011. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EI want to talk about that in particular, because here in Wellington, earlier this year, at the Westpac Stadium we had an event that was designed specifically to test whether the stadium, the security facilities, and all those who were going to be involved in hosting the Rugby World Cup events in Wellington were adequately prepared and ready. For example, Westpac Stadium wanted to put in place some changes around how traffic management worked. I think it is important that if it had required additional authority for, for example, road closures and those kinds of things, it would have needed a provision for that to happen, as there is under this legislation. Even though the Wellington event\u2014I think it was an All Blacks test match\u2014was not directly connected with the Rugby World Cup, it was important that it could be used as a tester to make sure that the systems being put in place for the Rugby World Cup were going to work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThis bill allows the authorities to determine that events not directly connected with the Rugby World Cup can be deemed to be like Rugby World Cup events for the purpose of testing things and making sure they will work. In order for that to happen, an applicant needs to establish that measures have been undertaken to obtain the necessary approval or declaration through the normal processes but that it is unlikely that it could be obtained in time. That is an important principle that runs through this legislation, and it is something we talked about a lot at the Government Administration Committee. It is really important that this bill is not seen simply as a short cut for sloppy management or bad practice. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThings will come up in the course of organising the Rugby World Cup that are unforeseen, that cannot be dealt with through normal processes, and that will, therefore, need a truncated or a shortened process. But that is not an excuse for people to simply put everything on hold and say: \u201CWe know that the authority is being established and that the Minister will have extra powers, so we just won\u2019t worry about it yet. We\u2019ll worry about it further down the track.\u201D That is not the message we want to send to anybody who is involved with Rugby World Cup activities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThe message we want to send is: \u201CDo it now if you can, use the regular processes, and don\u2019t wait, but if you need to, then obviously these powers will be available.\u201D So unless the enactment that would normally apply to an application makes no provision for public notice to be given, all applications must be publicly notified by the authority. I think it is important to stress that at this point. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EWe want to respect existing democratic processes and ensure that this legislation is not used in such a way as to curtail the rights of New Zealand citizens to have a say in quite significant approvals processes. Any submission must be made no later than 10 working days after the date on which public notice of an application is given. Ten working days is a reasonably truncated time frame, so it will be important that those who have an interest in these issues are keeping a close eye on what is going on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EIf the authority considers it necessary, or if a person with a right to be heard requests to be heard, a hearing will be heard no later than 10 working days after the closing date for submissions. By the time we have a 10-day notification period and, potentially a 10-day process for submissions to be heard, we are already up to 20 working days, potentially, for something that will be considered under this part. Any appeal must be brought not later than 5 working days after the authority has notified its determination, so we are now looking at a period of 25 days, potentially, for decisions to be made. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EAlthough this part provides for some truncation of the process, it does not unnecessarily restrict the ability of people to make submissions and to be heard. There was some discussion at the Government Administration Committee about the notification provisions and whether, given the shortened periods, notification in the daily papers was required. For example, if we are talking about a 10-day time period for notification, depending on the timing of dealing with newspaper classified advertising deadlines, it might not necessarily be practical to advertise something in the way it would normally be advertised, by using the newspapers. The question then became whether it was possible for advertising to be done on a website, and so forth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThis part sets out the methods of making any application that is to be considered under it. It is important. It sets out that applications must be made in writing and in a form and manner prescribed by regulations or as approved by the authority. I think it is important that applications are in written form. People will not be able to ring up the authority, say they have a great idea, and ask for approval. There have to be robust processes for doing that. Making sure that an application is in writing is important. It has to be lodged for registration with the administrative secretariat and accompanied by any information the case may require and any deposit that the administrative secretariat may require. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThe previous part, Part 2, which we have dealt with, allows the administrative secretariat to put in place provisions for the deposit, and a bond in some cases. That can all be part of the written application process that the secretariat and the authority may put in place. There were some significant changes to the way this section of the bill was structured by the select committee. The changes were mostly technical, so I will not go into those in great detail. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThere is quite a significant clause\u2014clause 19\u2014that deals with the information that needs to be supplied with applications for approvals and declarations. So the House, in passing this legislation, is giving some quite detailed instructions to the authority on the process that we want it to be engaging in. I think it is really important that when we are truncating a democratic process, which we are doing in this case\u2014by removing the power from existing decision-making bodies and giving it to the authority\u2014we still have a very robust process in place for the authority that will be making those decisions and dealing with that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EI note, just to give an example, some of the things that clause 19 talks about in terms of the information that must be supplied. It refers to \u201Call the information required under the enactment that would, but for this Act, apply;\u201D. So if people are applying for a licence, permit, or whatever, they will still need to supply all the same information that they would need to supply under the existing Act were it not for this truncated process. That is a very important provision. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EClause 21A talks about the procedure in the event of overlapping applications to the statutory person, or body, or authority for the same activity, and I will not go into those in any great detail. Subpart 2 talks about jurisdiction, public notification, and the making of submissions. I think that is really important. Again, it is quite prescriptive in terms of the process for the notification and submissions to be determined, and also for the determination of an affected person\u2019s status. All these things would be regularly covered by established systems and processes, were the normal processes to apply. Here we are talking about a truncated process\u2014establishing something that will be operating for a very short period of time in, potentially, quite a pressured environment, given the time constraints on it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EI think it is really important, given that the authority will not have time to establish its own processes, systems, and body of precedent or case law, or whatever we want to call it, that the House be quite prescriptive about how we expect it to operate and function. That is what this part does. It sets out in great detail the provisions relating to notification, submissions, and consultation. For example, clause 25 specifies what the contents of a public notice must be, and it includes things like the nature of the application, including \u201Cthe activity, facility, or test activity or facility for which approval is sought \u2026\u201D, and so forth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022 data-id=\u00221705639367934f0d9a3e726429f14035\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221705639367934f0d9a3e726429f14035\u0022\u003EJOHN HAYES (National\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E Chris Hipkins, the previous speaker, strung together a lot of highfalutin words, which gave the illusion that he was smart enough to understand the game, but I reflect and suggest that he was stupid enough to think that what he was saying was important. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d6c3c080f76e47ac810f466eb2a836e4\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I am generally pretty comfortable with robust debate, but I am not sure whether it is in order in this House\u2014in fact, I am absolutely certain it is not\u2014for a member to call another member stupid.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002263f0ade19caf4e76a6fdf81c7bbe257e\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: Is the member taking exception to that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229bb7ea9762e94cce9f61fa9f0e4de399\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I am indeed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022972f1c906d4947ec90b370a0f55711e4\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014under Standing Order 116, \u201CPersonal reflections\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002252b33d00ba6a4ca293f8d64b566891e4\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: That is correct.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022590eb20823ed45768144eaa3e0b7261c\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: I ask the member to withdraw that comment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d2c7a23c137845e8ba4feb504b0f754e\u0022\u003EJOHN HAYES\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chairperson. I certainly did not intend to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221c2329ab8bca46d59c33469cb09c12bc\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: No, I have ruled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228579b27603d84bf3a5f5d645696e9120\u0022\u003EJOHN HAYES\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise, and I certainly did not intend\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277508388b4f14548908b7c700b6ddb4c\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: No, no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b67e5f6476c4058a1986aaa859b4ea0\u0022\u003EJOHN HAYES\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb0b659d01244b87b6efbacc31bc1144\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: That is it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0e9e8dec2654470a3d173b91e994e1e\u0022\u003EJOHN HAYES\u003C/span\u003E: Part 3 of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill provides for this country to organise and have the greatest contest that it has ever experienced in the whole period of New Zealand\u2019s existence. Part 3 is quite critically important in allowing 48 rugby matches to take place in 13 locations in this country. We are trying to use Part 3 and the other clauses of this bill to create a \u201CStadium New Zealand\u201D\u2014a vision to help to move this country forward. The vision set out and prescribed in Part 3 will enable us to portray ourselves as a great country on the world stage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EPart 3 will help us to manage the 85,000 visitors to this country, who, hopefully, will leave a lot of money behind to support all sorts of small businesses: homestays, taxi drivers, bus drivers, and other people. On top of that, we will have a huge global television audience. That is what this bill is about. This bill, in Part 3, is about creating New Zealand\u2019s greatest event ever. Instead of celebrating this, we are dealing with words like \u201Ctruncated\u201D. They are strung-together words that sound important, but I can assure members that they are not. They are big words. The outcome of what we have seen in the House earlier this afternoon was having members just trying to be like Helen Kelly and hobbits. Part 3 is about trying to set up the underpinning of the greatest event that will occur in New Zealand in our lifetime. The Opposition is trying to pull this apart with negative comments about Part 3. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EThis legislation will move this country forward. It will set up a Rugby World Cup Authority to help to do that. The authority established by this legislation will enable the granting of all sorts of applications for activities related to licensing, and the prescribing of the use of land areas for other events where the Rugby World Cup will be involved. Clause 31(6) prescribes that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4c9e09f55104dd89cf1072cb6e10455\u0022\u003ESue Moroney\u003C/span\u003E: \u201CPrescribes\u201D is a big word.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237a3ecadac64490b8dba7e4f64c932c2\u0022\u003EJOHN HAYES\u003C/span\u003E: I draw the member\u2019s attention to the bill. If she had taken the trouble to read it, she would find that the word \u201Cprescribes\u201D is in the bill. For example, clause 31(6) states: \u201CThe Authority may prescribe any other conditions that it considers appropriate, including\u2014(a) conditions that apply to any of the activities, facilities, or class of activity or facility to which the declaration relates;\u201D. That is great jargon. What we need to keep very firmly focused on here is that this legislation will allow the greatest event to take place in New Zealand that this country has ever seen. I think it is critically important that this legislation allows our country to show itself off on the world stage in a way that leaves it full of credit and praise, that adds significantly to the economy, and that portrays New Zealand as the very highly organised host of a world-class, brilliant event. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022 data-id=\u00226cce305c9cdc414abe77d7e3791289db\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226cce305c9cdc414abe77d7e3791289db\u0022\u003EDAVID SHEARER (Labour\u2014Mt Albert):\u003C/span\u003E I will start by once again stating what Part 3 is all about. I take into account what the previous speaker said, which is that this bill is about enabling the greatest sporting event that New Zealand has ever put on to take place. I do not think this bill is doing that. That was done a few years ago when the Government of the day had the vision to go out and grab this opportunity. This legislation simply makes sure that the event can run smoothly, once the vision has been seen and accomplished.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EPart 3 sets out the scope of the applications that may be made and how they are to be lodged. It is quite technical in nature. In many ways it sets out the process. As my colleague said, it is a more truncated or, if you like, shortened, abbreviated, or reduced process than we would otherwise have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d228f34f03f54aa2818bf77d9b78b46c\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: Shrunken.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e156f063738048659e484c1c47347352\u0022\u003EDAVID SHEARER\u003C/span\u003E: Shrunken, minimalised, truncated\u2014it could be seen in a whole lot of different ways. In fact, that member himself could be seen as somewhat truncated, shortened, or made smaller as a result of his recent operation. I have to say he looks much better for it. However, this legislation, truncated as it stands, allows the process to enable this Rugby World Cup to go ahead in a smooth and easy way. Part 3 sets out the scope of the applications that can be made, how they are to be made, and how they are to be lodged. The applications may seek approvals. They can seek declarations and a change in conditions of an approval, or of existing approvals granted under other enactments. The key point is that we are following a process, if we have to do this. As David Clendon said yesterday, we are quite good at putting on events like this. It seems that particularly in the transport area, which was mentioned specifically in Part 3, we have done a very, very good job in preparing ourselves. I do not think this legislation will be needed; nevertheless, Part 3 goes into a great deal of detail. If we do need to use it, at least it enables the process to be carried out with the fewest possible problems. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EThere is provision in Part 3 for applications relating to events that are to test whether a proposed activity\u2014for example, traffic management\u2014is likely to be adequate for the purpose, in relation to the Rugby World Cup 2011. This has happened in my electorate, which encompasses the Eden Park venue. An enormous amount of planning has been going on, in and around that area, particularly in the transport management area but also relating to the Kingsland railway station, which has been modified dramatically in order to take people to and from the venue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EI will touch on one point. We are now seeing, for the first time, people starting to take trains to go to these venues, both in and out of the city and from the west and the south, rather than using their cars. It is part of a general move that we are witnessing right across the Auckland region. The transport Minister may want to take note of that when he looks at the future of New Zealand rail. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EPart 3 will enable the smooth running of activities in the period during which the Rugby World Cup will be held. I want to look at clause 31, \u201CDetermination of applications for declarations\u201D. It states: \u201C(1) In determining an application under section 16(2) or (5) or 17 for a declaration, a test declaration, or a change to the conditions of a declaration or a test declaration, the Authority must have regard to any adverse effects on the environment that would be, would be likely to be, if the application were granted, more than minor as determined in accordance with section 31A.\u201D This section is extremely important, and again I use the example of the Eden Park venue. Two historic houses were removed in order to enable transport to flow more freely. To be perfectly honest, I think that was unnecessary. We are changing our environment\u2014I am talking about the urban environment here\u2014dramatically in order to cater for the Rugby World Cup, and I am pleased that some safeguards will be encompassed in this bill that will enable these environmental impacts, which would be classified as major, as they are certainly not minor, to be heard and to be used in an adequate way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EClause 31(1A) states: \u201CThe Authority must not grant the application if the activity, facility, or class of activity or facility that is the subject of the application is prohibited by another Act.\u201D Once again, I think that provides the safeguards. It goes back to Part 2, which we have just discussed, which covers the make-up of the authority that will be hearing the applications under this part of the Act. I believe that the authority is being set up in a way that it will have the utmost respect for the process, and a senior judge of 7 years\u2019 standing has been appointed chair of the authority. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022 data-id=\u002269eda0b583d844f8af3aef774c41da77\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002269eda0b583d844f8af3aef774c41da77\u0022\u003EJACINDA ARDERN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E It is my pleasure to take my first call on Part 3 of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill. Before commencing, I want to hark back to the contribution made by my colleague John Hayes. He seems to really resent the fact that the Opposition is exploring some of the detail of this bill in the Committee stage\u2014as it is imperative that we do. My colleague Iain Lees-Galloway described him as being monosyllabic in his contribution. I think that if we distil down my colleague John Hayes\u2019 contribution on Part 3 we would find that if he had his way this bill would simply state: \u201CPart 1 Let\u2019s Have Party. Commencement Date: Now.\u201D He seemed to utterly reject the notion that we should have any discussions on the way that some of the detail of the Rugby World Cup should be dealt with. Members on this side of the Chamber see this as quite an important job and one that we will continue to undertake with vigour. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EPart 3 is a really important, substantive part of the bill. The whole intention, of course, is that the bill balances the need to reduce any delay in time and unnecessary bureaucracy but still makes sure that due process is undertaken when granting the authority power to undertake certain activities that would otherwise go through quite a rigorous separate procedure. Getting that balance right is absolutely critical. A lot of that occurs, to a certain degree, in Part 3. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EMy colleague Chris Hipkins has already outlined some of the time lines that may apply to certain applications under this part. I think his rough estimation, at its longest point, was that we may see delays in an application, which perhaps had public notification attached to it, of roughly 25 working days. With the Rugby World Cup being in such a short time, even the longest process that we might see could be perceived to be an impediment to undertaking an activity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003ESo I wondered whether any Government members, anyone on the Government Administration Committee\u2014whether any members of the committee wish to contribute on this question\u2014or the Minister in the chair, the Hon Judith Collins, wished to take a call. I note that no calls have been taken by a Minister in the chair up until this point, which is disappointing. It would be useful if the Minister could outline to us the longest period that it is anticipated an application could take to be processed. It would be useful to understand that from the Government\u2019s perspective. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EIs it intended, for instance, that the ministerial power for unforeseen circumstances\u2014and the Government is unable to explain to us what that might look like\u2014could be used to override a process that is taking too long under the jurisdiction of the authority? Is that the intention, or does it fall outside the ambit of what the Government anticipates that extraordinary ministerial power being used for? Some clarification on that point would be useful. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EI think it is interesting to reflect on clause 19(2)(c). That clause goes into some of the additional requirements that have been set out. The select committee clarified that an application going through this shortened process must be specific to the Rugby World Cup. It must include, for instance, information on the steps an applicant must take to ensure, as far as reasonably practical, the health and safety of those undertaking the activity, maps and plans of a location, and any conditions the applicant considers appropriate for the declaration\u2014a few things that are specific to the Rugby World Cup. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EAgain, I reflect on the fact that the select committee in its definition split the notion of tournament events\u2014the actual sporting events\u2014from ancillary events, for instance the public screening of an event in a public place, or an additional liquor licence for a pub in a remote area to extend its usual licence requirements to screen an event. I would be interested if the Minister could clarify whether it is anticipated that we split the way that those are dealt with by the authority, because, although I concede I am new to looking at this legislation, that is not entirely clear to me on a cursory glance. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EI come specifically to clause 21A, which deals with overlapping applications between the statutory bodies that would usually deal with the applications. The authority will now deal with with those applications in a circumvented process. I think it is right that we have quite clear procedural direction as to what happens when we have duplicate applications through either of those bodies, but I still have some question marks over, for instance, arbitration and those who have a higher delegation of power between those two bodies. I just want to raise those. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EClause 21A states that if there are overlapping applications that are the same or substantially the same as an application already lodged with a statutory body or person, the application to the relevant statutory person or body is to be treated as having been withdrawn from the relevant statutory person or body and must be transferred to the authority in accordance with the regulation made under this Act. It is quite a significant power to basically instruct that a relevant statutory body must, as outlined in subclause (4): \u201Cwithout delay,\u2014(a) forward a copy of all documentation it holds on the application to the Authority; and (b) cease to process the application.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EI wonder whether any arbitration can take place in a scenario where, for instance, there might be some question over whether the application fulfils the criteria set out in the bill, or where a statutory body may have some jurisdiction questions and may wish to maintain the processing of that application. We are talking about overriding what would probably otherwise be local council authority. Those are quite significant powers in that regard. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EI congratulate the select committee or the Government\u2014whichever it was\u2014on anticipating this issue and trying its best to resolve it. It does seem curious that it has anticipated this issue but cannot anticipate the circumstances in which carte blanche powers for a Minister might be required. It is hard to imagine what kind of scenario it is wishing to anticipate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EI refer to clause 21A(6)(b), which states: \u201Cthe statutory time limits applying to the relevant statutory person or body recommence from the date that the statutory body or person receives the documentation.\u201D So, for instance, if an authority declines an application under its criteria for processing a liquor licence and then refers it back to the usual statutory body that processes it, that relevant statutory body must treat the decision and the reasons of the authority as irrelevant for the purpose of the decision on the application. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EIt seems to me that although there is no judicial oversight to challenge a decision made by an authority, we do have a backstop measure. Basically, someone who makes an application could just go back to the statutory body, make the application again, have it processed in time for the Rugby World Cup, and still come out with the relevant requirements and legal rights to proceed, even though an authority had already made a decision otherwise. So I would be interested in hearing the rationale from the Government or from members of the select committee. Perhaps the Minister in the chair might like to tell us why the authority\u2019s decision is not full and final and why we still have, in a sense, an additional judicial process that someone can go through. It is an extra layer of bureaucracy, really, and I am curious as to why those decisions are not full and final. Actually, at the end of the day we are leaving local authorities to, potentially, be the final arbiter. I wonder whether that was the intention of the Government. Some clarification of that would be good.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff6185162ea24ab9bfba79950d1e02f2\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: The member doesn\u2019t understand the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd77df28b3b841e0bfa5609c585a96d8\u0022\u003EJACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: I think I just heard Jacqui Dean offer to stand up and clarify the position on that area. I would perfectly happy to hear her contribution, given that her contributions to date on this legislation have been somewhat shallow. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022801b5408f60f4f839f8716dd7220e008\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Too far, too far.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b37949c1fa0485181d4e1016d5eb743\u0022\u003EJACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: I am happy to make that accusation given that the only thing I have heard from that member is that Labour hates rugby. What a full contribution that was!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022 data-id=\u0022751304b09d0b4ba981044f71e51ea271\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022751304b09d0b4ba981044f71e51ea271\u0022\u003EDAVID CLENDON (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I just make a few brief comments on Part 3, because it is very significant and is quite technical, in a way; it is quite detailed. Essentially, within this part, we are told by what means, by what mechanisms, people will have their rights reduced and will have their opportunities to participate reduced. We are told to what extent and by what means ordinary members of the public will be denied their usual access to decision making about events, activities, structures, facilities, and so on that actually could influence them in their day-to-day lives. Of course, there are some quite substantial provisions put in place in Part 3\u2014all in the name of the Rugby World Cup and getting a good event. We all do look forward to that event and hope it goes well, and also hope that we might leverage off the event to the maximum amount available. That is a point I will return to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EBut, initially, having made the point that Part 3 is the nitty-gritty, this is where we are told how the authorities, served by the numerous secretariats, will diminish people\u2019s rights\u2014take away our access, our right to participate\u2014but in a sense this part is almost redundant\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b03b399cfd414dfea3598623390731e9\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I just check whether you are aware of what the member is saying.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f119a10fd7040f49556b439cb79f294\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de45607fb4794f99a92001962e07307e\u0022\u003EDAVID CLENDON\u003C/span\u003E: To an extent, Part 3 is almost superfluous because the sting in the tail, if you like, is that no matter what decisions are made at this level, no matter who informs those decisions, or by what means they are made, ultimately one person will have the say-so in terms of what may or may not occur. That is the one step too far that has clearly brought Labour on to the side of opposing this bill: a place where the Greens have been from day one on this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c74cd22e8f54b03932d4db8c60e05d7\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s in Part 4; not in this part. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222875bfbca9b1455abd2a9562594bf66d\u0022\u003EDAVID CLENDON\u003C/span\u003E: Indeed, it is, but I am sure we have had reference to that issue already. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EI give a couple of quick examples as to some of the diminished ability that people will have to participate. There is the matter of public notice, which has been commented on earlier; that information and supporting documentation about particular applications may be limited to being placed on one website. Potentially people who wish to make submissions may be obliged to make submissions only through electronic means. For many people that will not be a problem\u2014it is commonplace\u2014but we must recall that not every household in New Zealand has access to electronic media. Not everybody chooses to use that form of communication. I think we should be respectful of choices in the ability that people have to make submissions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EIt is interesting that the matter of standing is addressed in Part 3\u2014that standing will be needed to be proved. We are basically going back to the bad old days of town and country planning when not everybody had standing, as of right, as is generally the rule under our new resource management approach. It is required that a person must have an interest in the matter greater than that of the general public. There are various statements about \u201Caffected persons\u201D, and statements that the Rugby World Cup Authority, for example when it is considering what constitutes an adverse effect, must ignore effects of a temporary nature. That means that communities of people could be subjected to significant noise over a period of days and weeks without any opportunity to object to that because the effect is deemed to be temporary. That is just not acceptable. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EI mentioned earlier that the justification underpinning a lot of these conditions is that this event will put New Zealand on the world stage. The various provisions in Part 3 are there because of the implied argument about the greater good for the country. It is interesting that in 2005, when the event was first awarded to New Zealand, we were told, amidst great rejoicing, that we estimated some 60,000 extra visitors would come here. That is a very debatable claim in itself, given that very robust European research demonstrates that, most often, the expectation about extra visitors for an event is overstated. In 2005, the expectation was for 60,000 people; today the expectation is 85,000 extra visitors. The expectation has been inflated by some 40 percent in 5 years. In 2005 we understood that 3.4 billion people would witness this extravaganza on television; now that number has gone up to 4 billion people. For every one of the intervening 5 years, another 120 million people have an interest in rugby! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022 data-id=\u00221e95e2cb6a7c49c392103725ff26bea3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221e95e2cb6a7c49c392103725ff26bea3\u0022\u003ENIKKI KAYE (National\u2014Auckland Central):\u003C/span\u003E I am pleased to speak with regard to Part 3 of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill. First, I want to say this is a pretty momentous moment in the Chamber, because some really great analogies are happening between the legislation we are debating, which is designed to benefit New Zealand from an economic perspective in terms of world exposure, and the fact that at 7.20 this evening the Prime Minister of New Zealand saved The Hobbit. This country is seeing a real contrast between the two sides of the Chamber, particularly with regard to Part 3. National is putting legislation in place for the economic benefit of New Zealand, with 4 billion people expected to watch the Rugby World Cup in our country, and the Prime Minister moved swiftly to save The Hobbit for New Zealand and save thousands of jobs for this country. Those on the opposite side of the Chamber are putting a whole lot of obstacles in the way of the average New Zealander who just wants a job at the moment. I am proud that we have a Prime Minister who acted to save that film for this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224db9e2efe80d4514960f21cab42a5956\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd555b1bfdd3497380e79b4c88d98bea\u0022\u003ENIKKI KAYE\u003C/span\u003E: I shall relate that point back to Part 3. Part 3 is about the Rugby World Cup 2011. We know that the tournament is expected to bring 85,000 visitors to New Zealand, and the numbers watching The Hobbit will be pretty similar. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EThe Opposition\u2019s whole debate this evening has been about opposing one specific provision. We have heard a lot of contradiction from the Opposition team. Iain Lees-Galloway said that because of the provision Labour opposes this bill. Then all the other Labour speakers said that, no, actually Labour supports the Rugby World Cup. Well, if those members did support the Rugby World Cup, they would be standing up this evening and supporting this legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003ELet us go back to the actual provision. The Rugby World Cup Authority will go through a process in terms of consents\u2014it gives people their democratic rights. National has said that this event is so important to our country that we will go through the process of consulting the Opposition over whom we appoint to that authority, different Ministers of the Crown will be consulted and we will get advice, and we will ensure that the authority is well resourced. However, there could be an unforeseen situation. I know that members have asked what that unforeseen situation is\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea5ae8c577584768a09c3b7152e21327\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: This is Part 4, Nikki. Wrong part!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022deda4a27c2ca4b1e8e92f6f52d63c02d\u0022\u003ENIKKI KAYE\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014but we have said very clearly that it is unforeseen. Mr Mallard interjects, but my point is very relevant to Part 3, because that part deals with applications to the Rugby World Cup Authority; I am talking about a process that is relevant to applications to the authority. Yes, it is dealt with in Part 4, but I am saying that our Government believes that this event is the greatest event this country will ever hold, and it is very important to New Zealand. I am very pleased. I am saying today that we do not want to use this process; however, we are putting a process in place that provides that if an unforeseen situation occurs, our Government would act. There is a very clear decision for New Zealand, a clear contrast between the two sides of the Chamber. The Government is ready to act in the best interests of our country. This moment is very important for people to watch, because they will see a Government that is prepared to act in the best interests of New Zealand; prepared to say, yes, there is a process, but if something goes terribly wrong and there is an unforeseen situation, then we will allow our elected members of Parliament to be accountable for that. We will allow that to happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EI am very proud to be a supporter of the Government. I am a supporter of the Prime Minister, John Key. I say good on him for saving The Hobbit. I am a supporter of the Ministers who have been behind that decision. And I am a supporter of this Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill because it is good for New Zealand. It will create jobs, and that is what this side of the Chamber is about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00220b4b38d401524f84b34b91b1afe3b486\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220b4b38d401524f84b34b91b1afe3b486\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I thank you, Mr Chairperson, for your liberal approach to the previous speaker, Nikki Kaye, in broadening the debate. There are a couple of points that I would like to make. Labour welcomes the fact that The Hobbit is to be made in New Zealand. We think that is very good. We know that Gerry Brownlee was part of the meeting that sorted out the industrial relations issue on 14 October, and we congratulate him on taking Helen Kelly\u2019s advice to bring that meeting together and on the results. Gerry Brownlee did a good job. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EIf we can mix The Hobbit, the relationship with Warner Bros, and the Rugby World Cup, I think it is fair to say the Prime Minister is wearing the No. 2 jersey today. He is wearing the No. 2 jersey, and one could say he has been on his knees to Warner Bros. The Prime Minister has been royally screwed by Warner Bros, and as a result of that the company will be laughing all the way to the Bank of America. It will be laughing\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd698936fbe543bfa3380ebdc7f8a725\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I have just reflected on a phrase that the member used. It is inappropriate. Do not use it again. It related to a tool.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1ad934a28834a228dbdc63a3dc51257\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: I am sorry. I think that \u201Cscrewed over\u201D is OK.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022469bbe43387243d39e9ad88daafa6318\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: No, it is not. Do not go there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225692754702c84d4e82867f34b044d8ef\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: He has been done. We will work our way through the analogies, but what has happened is that the failure to have the $140,000 dinner to keep the relationship going has meant that it has cost $15 million. We are told that the money is only for The Hobbit, so it is not general. If Kiwis want to make a major production, they do not receive the money. If Warner Bros want to make a film, the money goes to Warner Bros. It is just absolutely, absolutely outrageous, and we will work our way through the analogies. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003ETo return to the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill, I want to respond to the comments made by John Hayes, who said Labour hates rugby. It is fair to say Labour worked very hard to get the Rugby World Cup to New Zealand. I am trying to remember, but I think that the former Prime Minister was on her way to Korea and went via Dublin in order to make a difference. There is a common factor in Premier House. On two separate occasions the former Prime Minister entertained the executive of the International Rugby Board at Premier House, as part of the exercise that led to New Zealand getting the hosting rights to Rugby World Cup, because she knew that it was important to build relationships rather than to do things on a crisis basis, which is the way that National seems to approach them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI would now like to get back to\u2014or start on, possibly\u2014the detail of Part 3 of the bill. I was a member of the Government Administration Committee and I will take responsibility for mistakes, but I think that there is a mistake in terms of how the word \u201Ctest\u201D is used. It ends up being quite confusing as to what sorts of tests we are talking about. When you, Mr Chairperson, and I talk about the Rugby World Cup and tests, we tend to think of matches involving two countries for which caps are awarded, but if we look at clause 17, and in particular at clause 17(5)(a) and (b), it is possible that what is meant is a trial\u2014testing something out, rather than having a test. I wonder whether within the Rugby World Cup legislation we are better to reserve the term \u201Ctest\u201D for a rugby test rather than use it to refer to a trial. I know that the Minister in the chair, Judith Collins, who is focusing heavily on texting at the moment, is more interested in trials than tests. It might be that she could take the initiative and work with her colleague Murray McCully on giving us some clarification as we work our way through this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EOne of the problems is that the more that we look at bills, the more that we find things that could well be wrong. One of the areas that could well be wrong is new clause 31A, \u201CDetermination of whether adverse effects are more than minor\u201D, which has come into the bill. I would like the Minister to respond to this, because I think we might have something slightly arse about face in the bill. Clause 31A lists the things that the authority must disregard when determining whether adverse effects are more than minor. But one of the things it must disregard is (a) \u201Cany adverse effect of the activity or facility that \u2026 (iii) is of a temporary nature, having regard to the duration of the approval, declaration, or test approval or declaration;\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EThe problem I have is that all of these determinations are of a temporary nature. They are time-limited; they do not go on. At the completion of the Rugby World Cup, the determinations of the authority are finished. So I am not clear whether that means that because any adverse effects are of a temporary nature, all adverse effects have to be ignored. I am\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d6ce9eb406f748dfb9a85f1d7fc704d9\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: Struggling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bfb37295de194cc8a88eecda87eb7984\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: No, it is not funny.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b2bd8487eea442cb2203e5dbc548f76\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: Struggling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022428c323ae02d4f75baeccd1e4bce3cea\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: The member is correct. I am struggling to understand how we made that mistake in the legislation, because I think it is a mistake.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1838f224e1349f788e734cb50b54588\u0022\u003EHon Tau Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Don\u2019t worry about it!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002299748f2188814996bff3c0d4038713bf\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: The member tells me not to worry about it. If the member was next to a fan zone, and all adverse effects were ignored and were not able to be taken into account in making a determination, he might get a bit grumpy, and rightly so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aecffb1242494bdda7c2264b93f2558a\u0022\u003ECharles Chauvel\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019d never be next to a fan zone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8083f4dc6b24db7b82d6892b7f53cba\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: He might be next to a fan zone, actually, because he lives next to his mother-in-law, and next to her is his brother-in-law, as well. I know that situation relatively well as a result of other litigation, but we will not go back into caveats over houses at the moment, because that would be off the topic. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI have not yet seen any sign of the Minister stirring in order to answer the question, but it is a serious question. I think it may well be that my colleague Mr Chauvel needs to look at an amendment in order to clarify this issue, because all adverse effects, I think, will be temporary. If we\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022afee5eed26a048c49536df1435d6a0b3\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: Struggling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221b9a484dbacf4b7a9b487271a2d34fdc\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: Every now and again we make a serious comment. Where does that member come from? I cannot tell those two members apart. She is the woman from mid-Canterbury somewhere. All adverse effects will be temporary. If all temporary effects are to be ignored, what protection do the neighbours have from adverse effects, given that they must all be temporary? Again, I make it clear that I was a member of the select committee and I looked very carefully at this clause and subclause as it was drafted. It is new. It was previously in another part of the bill, but the bill was redrafted and the clause was brought into this part for clarification. I would like some member opposite, even if it is not the Minister in the chair, to clarify for us what happens around adverse effects. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EOn the question of the notices of determinations, I think the committee did good work. I think John Hayes did the work on behalf of the New Zealand Fire Service. He is a member who focused on that very carefully. I think it was my suggestion that Rugby New Zealand 2011 also get notices of determinations\u2014in fact, notices of the applications\u2014so it is aware of the issues that are being considered and of the decisions. I think some of us assume that we will get there by osmosis or some approach like that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EThere is a question arising from clause 34 in Subpart 4 around the expiry of approvals and declarations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u0022374f73a6c52344d386396184201cc0cd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022374f73a6c52344d386396184201cc0cd\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN (National\u2014Waitaki):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022 data-id=\u00225c1ab34573494153bf604c22fd954810\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225c1ab34573494153bf604c22fd954810\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour\u2014Palmerston North):\u003C/span\u003E Before I address subpart 6, which is the part of Part 3 that I intend to talk about, I need to just discuss the misrepresentation of my position made by Nikki Kaye in her previous address. She stated that I was opposed to the entire bill. She obviously has not been listening very carefully either to my arguments or to those of all the Labour members in the Chamber tonight, because we are being quite clear that we are opposed to only one part of this bill. We will get to that part shortly, I have no doubt. The problem with that part is that it overrides so many of the other, good aspects of this legislation. I just needed to clarify that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EMs Kaye also brought up hobbits; I was pleased that she brought up hobbits and expanded the debate a little in that area. Clearly, National is trying tonight, as it has done in the last few weeks, to sow division. It is trying to tell New Zealand that Labour hates rugby, that it is opposed to the Rugby World Cup, and that we do not want to get the job done. Actually, this is complex legislation. Part 3 is particularly complex legislation. It deals with applications, paperwork, and processes that a number of people in New Zealand will have to go through, and it is important that we as a Parliament make sure that it gets the scrutiny that it deserves so that when it is finally enacted, it is usable and it makes sense. There is a lot of red tape in here; it is funny that the ACT Party has not actually taken any calls on it. The requests that are made of territorial authorities in Part 2 are, again, areas that I thought the ACT Party would make a contribution on, but it did not. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003ENational in its contributions this evening has been clear that it wants to drive a wedge between New Zealand as a whole and the Labour Party in its position tonight; it is quite similar to the way it has dealt with The Hobbit. We can contrast that with the way Helen Clark dealt with securing the Rugby World Cup 2011 for New Zealand. She built relationships. She built consensus. She brought all the parties together. There was even a sense of bipartisanship within the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022648ccde7efc042a29943f6bdc917faed\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: Don Brash\u2019s photo was in the bid document.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220977127dac284eefab14337170db76be\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: There you go. That is how much consensus Helen Clark sought to build around putting this bid together\u2014indeed, she was successful in securing the bid. We can contrast that with the divisive approach that John Key has taken to The Hobbit, and the fact that he has now bent New Zealand over in the face of Warner Bros, a corporation. We are a sovereign nation, yet a corporation is coming to this country and telling us that we have to change our laws. Do members know what? We will bend right over for them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002271cef5f1b5fa46c9bab5064c530851d9\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: How much?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a3d0020f0874274a3075a7298fb2afb\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: And indeed we say \u201CHow much?\u201D. All that money is going directly to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264e9bfc103ae4c84aa7fc509bd1d0ec8\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: Some of the members who have now got into a regular barracking will desist.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d7ba0e9343c4397bf3e68b20404a5b5\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much, Mr Chairperson. I appreciate the assistance; I did not really feel as though I needed it, but I appreciate it. I think it is reasonable, given some of the debate that we have heard from National, to contrast that approach\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225184496f29c34e01b6746d0a111329b7\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: There\u2019s only one thing New Zealanders care about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d3dc544b80404a318ba361e7f494955f\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. Again, they are misrepresenting. I think it is Jacqui Dean; it is hard to tell. Jacqui Dean is trying to misrepresent Labour\u2019s position. Of course Labour is in support of having The Hobbit in New Zealand. Again, the Labour Government built relationships and worked very closely with Warner Bros, New Line Cinema, and Peter Jackson. We got consensus and were able to put The Lord of the Rings on in New Zealand without bending over in front of an American corporation. That is what John Key has done: he has bent this country over. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EI come back to subpart 6 of Part 3 of the bill. It refers to appeal rights. Clause 43 states: \u201CA person or body that applied for an approval, a declaration, a test approval or declaration, or a change to the conditions of an approval, a declaration, or a test approval or declaration and is dissatisfied with the determination of the Authority under section 22(1) \u2026 may appeal to the High Court,\u201D\u2014they may appeal to the High Court\u2014\u201Cbut only on a question of law.\u201D Clause 43 is very tight and very specific about what grounds an applicant may appeal on, and the process through which they may appeal. But you know what? We may as well not even bother having that clause in the legislation, because we have Part 4. A savvy applicant who was not happy with the decision of the authority, if they had the right connections\u2014perhaps if they were a member of the National Party\u2014would simply appeal to Murray McCully. That is all they would have to do. They would have to get the Minister on side. It does not matter how out of order their application was, it does not matter where it went wrong, and it does not matter whether it was destroying a historic building or whether it was outside the scope of the Rugby World Cup\u2014all the Minister would have to do is, with one stroke of the pen, say that it was approved. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EWe may as well just take clause 43 out of the legislation altogether. Although it is a very practical and sensible appeal process, it is completely undermined by Part 4\u2014completely undermined by Part 4. Indeed, the right of appeal to the High Court may be made only on a question of law against a determination of the Authority made under clauses 30, 31, 39, or 40(4). So it is a very, very tight method by which, and area on which, an applicant can appeal. Again, that definition\u2014that narrowing of the areas in which an applicant can appeal\u2014may as well not be in the bill at all, because we have Part 4. It is interesting that the National members have gone awfully quiet. That is why we need to have the kind of scrutiny that we are putting on this bill. We have to question whether there are superfluous aspects of the bill, and whether we might be able to make it more efficient by simply trimming out some of the contradictions that lie within it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EAnother area of absolute specificity that is dealt with within Part 3 is the area of test events. I have to agree with my colleague the Hon Trevor Mallard. When I first read it, because I was not on the select committee and I have not been involved with this bill up to this point, I was a little confused. I thought it was referring to test matches, which, of course, there will be several of during the Rugby World Cup. So it took a couple of goes to read it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b91766690a4f42089a2a576ba9f1eb83\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: Well, all the matches will be test matches.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d6a3738905fb4b3c8c30a1f3efa9fb04\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: Indeed. That is quite correct, although we might not think that some of them rate as test matches. On that matter I have to say I am looking forward to having the test matches involving Georgia, the Ukraine, and, I believe, Argentina\u2014and one other team; we are waiting with bated breath to see who it is\u2014played in Palmerston North. I am certainly looking forward to those games occurring in my city, and I know the city is gearing up for it. Running a bit of a test event, or testing out how we deal with traffic problems and all that sort of thing in the lead-up to the World Cup, shows that built in to the legislation is a concern that we need to get the nuts and bolts right. That is why we need to actually go through this legislation with some serious scrutiny to make sure every single little clause is absolutely spot on. National has absolutely rightly said that this will be a wonderful event. It will showcase New Zealand and it will put us on the world stage. If one of these things goes horrifically wrong because we have not paid enough attention to it now, we will look worse on the world stage than we do right now, bent over in front of Warner Bros. So we need to make sure that we get these things right, and it is absolutely appropriate that we pay close attention. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fbe3f87c-849c-4eee-84cc-119edeb1a681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b67b0ef964f449f0bca553ec9692f38c\u0022\u003EAaron Gilmore\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, that\u2019s disgusting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1d8b2f699cb4af78d87af6eaeae8620\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: The member Aaron Gilmore is absolutely correct; the situation that we find ourselves in tonight is disgusting, courtesy of the acquiescence of the Prime Minister. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220073328c27ed4b18939edd8c6386ff31\u0022\u003EHon Tau Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Ha! Courtesy\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a18d59ba92b460199912d6f14ed7ff6\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Another big word.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bbc458ebd7a342029b72a01c403f3733\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: Now Mr Henare is concerned that I am using big words. This is not the first time that National has been upset about big words\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002290b0fd7281dc4882923b3fed71fd7517\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. It is about a phrase that the member used a little while ago. I have to say I was a little bit taken aback by it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226cfffffb20d8445ca44d3ecfe3d7109e\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: Tell me what it is so that I can rule on it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a5d32c5cfb340ddaa8acc253659d0d6\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: Well, \u201Cbending over for Warner Brothers\u201D, I think it was, and I do not believe that that is a parliamentary term.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022320230b4dac24104b17241a2da9c57f7\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I have been thinking about that phrase, and it could mean bowing, or it could mean something else. My mind is on higher things. I think the member should not transgress the laws of debate in a way that makes me think of lesser things. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f7efd4dabe3e41dab01d1c4bbbf1923c\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. For a party that prides itself on its inclusiveness, I really think a phrase like that is offensive and\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f668c3b681394b9ba3756cef48f290c7\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: No, I have ruled on it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227527d3f476fa48af8a041a0fe1f42456\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: I will simply come to the end of my\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230df7eb320b9410bacb2aa2e686f73cc\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. The problem that I have is that I found that phrase offensive, and I have taken offence to it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228b897549d174e499ad24287c1d7fb6e\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I have ruled on it, and I have listened very carefully to the debate all night. The issue is whether an offence has been created. I have to say that the member was probably skirting around an area where there could be an offending interpretation, but he has not crossed that line.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229efd23929964402180a6b232e3348597\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e20fa6a6d45a4ae78043415e4a7f3511\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: No, I have ruled on it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002254e42932b2884606a1cf7303c112a3da\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002256ff8d9b79f74b0fa69c2f6419665820\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: Is this a separate point of order, because I have ruled on that matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f6dfba790e9e47ed87b852897cd4bd24\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Chairperson, I have taken offence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba22cffad3e34e2b923cca38a46abe61\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: And I have ruled that there is no offence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b2249f8e98845f3917a0c16c45bcff6\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ddcd5d4b34c245ee8fb056af9276ba66\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I am not sure that this will be helpful, but I will hear the point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b46d24fcffb14e248aceb780f459bb21\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I am actually speechless. I do not think I have ever heard such blatant prejudice from the Chairperson before.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f5d53950ea64812a20a90610bc0ca53\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I am sorry; I apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8506c8d51ba4adfadf12ce29e3eed05\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Chairperson, I think the tradition in this Chamber is that if a member takes offence then you have to rule on it. Just saying that you are not offended is not enough. The Chairperson can say that something is not an offensive comment, but I think the way you put that member down was a bit unfair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207facfe86d0c4dbb819b053745705d7b\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I am sorry, I did not mean to. There is a ruling that says that the test is in whether the Committee itself is offended. That, in essence, is what the Speaker\u2019s ruling says. You see, someone could say, for example, that someone\u2019s cat is overweight, and someone else could take offence at that. So the test is really whether the Committee itself is affronted, and that is what the Speaker\u2019s ruling says. I am sorry if people have been offended by the way I have put that, but I have ruled that the member is skirting close, and I have warned him not to cross that line.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227c8e435e66fa41afb3bdc4ecb1076983\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: I have no intention of crossing the line, or crossing you, Mr Chairperson. I have no intention of doing that, whatsoever. In summary, a test event, as I said, was something for which I was appreciative of the clarification contained in the bill, which, under clause 17(5)(b), is \u201Can event, whether or not a sporting event, that is not organised and held as part of the tournament, but for which an approval or a declaration may be sought under this section to enable the testing of a particular activity or facility that is, or is likely to be, required for the tournament.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b871c1e4ca0840208c58e4b8585efd6f\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy)\u003C/span\u003E: I just want to quote for the members Speaker\u2019s Ruling 55/7\u2014there have been additions, and things moved chronologically back. A word is judged to be appropriate based on whether a word will bring disorder, as well as an affront, to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022 data-id=\u002200500896e010498783ea314c30ad960f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002200500896e010498783ea314c30ad960f\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Labour\u2014New Lynn):\u003C/span\u003E Mr Chairperson, I begin my remarks on the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill by complimenting you. It is quite moving to see a person of your monumental physique in the Chair. I would warrant a guess that you yourself are a fan of the golden game of rugby, and I would warrant further that you have played the odd game or two, and, what is more, in the position of lock. As a former lock, I count it a privilege to rise to speak on this bill. In fact, as a former lock, I find it a privilege to rise to speak on any subject at all, because we all know that locks do not get much of a say, buried as they are at the bottom of the scrum. But on this occasion, joined with you by an invisible bond of lockhood, I rise to take a call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EMy main reason for taking this call today, constrained though I am by my former position on the team, is that I wish to say this: Labour loves rugby. Labour loves rugby! It is the national game. It is the game where if our national team does not win we want to know why. It is a great thing when the All Blacks win, and it is even greater when they win under a National administration, because National needs all the help it can get. Labour loves rugby. Labour loves rugby, and Labour dearly wants to support this bill, because we love the Rugby World Cup tournament. It would not be coming to New Zealand if it were not for the former Labour Prime Minister, Helen Clark, who flew all the way to Dublin, on her way to South-east Asia, to procure this monumental event for future generations of New Zealanders\u2014and it was not due just to the fact that one of our former colleagues was making the travel bookings! Helen Clark made sure New Zealand got to host Rugby World Cup 2011, and it behoves members all around the Chamber to be in a position to support this bill. Were it not for another part, which the Committee will shortly be debating, Labour members would be absolutely unanimous and unequivocal in our support for the bill, and it would be heartfelt too. So one can imagine the pain it brings upon Her Majesty\u2019s loyal Labour Opposition to be somewhat conflicted in our support for this bill. We are at one in spirit with the rest of the Committee in wanting to see this grand tournament proceed, but we are somewhat hamstrung by the fact that Part 4 conveys extraordinary powers, potentially, on a Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EAs one looks through the report one is struck by the fact that the drafters and, indeed, the Government Administration Committee have left no stone unturned to bring to New Zealand an extraordinary event. My personal favourite, although strictly outside the part under debate, is on page 5 of the commentary, where we learn, to our relief, that pain has been taken to separate advisory from administrative staff on the administrative secretariat. There can be few matters more troubling to Aucklanders and, I am sure, all New Zealanders than to think there could be some co-mingling of administrative and advisory staff in carrying out the functions of the secretariat for the Rugby World Cup.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294f2a8c50c394da1a27001fb1ab8c135\u0022\u003ECharles Chauvel\u003C/span\u003E: God forbid!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228325e7c5155948818d69be2c549af69d\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE\u003C/span\u003E: God forbid that that should be the case, and it is a matter of relief to us that it is the usual decision maker who may comment upon applications.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EAmbush marketing has been a great concern. We hope the ambush will occur every time a foreign lock forward is treading the wing towards our try line. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022640d6a24a7f549a7ae6dc2a03348ea15\u0022\u003EHon Tau Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Where\u2019s Phil Twyford?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f85f81276dc849fb9c579d64c000d1c0\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE\u003C/span\u003E: He is sitting right behind me. He is another great fan of the great game, I tell Mr Henare, and we are all looking forward to his contribution. But I deign to say that I convey the heartfelt greetings of all my colleagues on the Labour side in wishing the Chairperson, Mr Roy, and the Rugby World Cup the very best of luck.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EIt is timely that we should be debating this bill tonight of all nights, because we have heard today that New Zealand has secured yet another extraordinary event: not one but two Hobbit films shall be made upon our shores, and for $15 million\u2014a mere trifle, it would seem, upon the exchequer. We would warrant that were it not for the extraordinary contortions of the current Government\u2014and of the Prime Minister in particular\u2014that sum might have been somewhat greater. The Government might have had to exchange a somewhat larger fiscal offering had it not been prepared to sacrifice workers\u2019 rights on the altar of Warner Bros. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022df788c48-b9be-42fd-b8f2-76629a5572b8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a77824fd2044af28f31b026f22c6355\u0022\u003EHon Dr Wayne Mapp\u003C/span\u003E: Helen Kelly\u2019s to blame and you know it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223611d27903624752af53002fefe568ab\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE\u003C/span\u003E: While the member opposite is mentioning the name of the esteemed president of the Council of Trade Unions, we might reflect on the fact that that self-same president found herself in the role of peacemaker in this dispute. We offer shared congratulations to Gerry Brownlee, who upon the advice of the self-same president reached an accommodation, we understand, with Sir Peter Jackson, the actors\u2019 union, and all other parties some 2 weeks ago. We can only ask what happened. As I hear tell, it is possible\u2014indeed, it was the case\u2014that the supposed worldwide boycott of this movie had already been lifted, only for certain demonstrations to spring up around the country after the fact.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003ECould it be that the party opposite was trying to position Her Majesty\u2019s Labour Opposition in this matter as somehow unpatriotic, in the same way that it tries to position the Labour Party as opposed to the Rugby World Cup? We will have none of it. I have not yet revealed to the Committee my other life. My other life is as the patron of the Suburbs Rugby Football Club in west Auckland. As the patron of the Suburbs Rugby Football Club, I would like to commend all members of this Chamber to ask Mr McCully to make one or two slight amendments to Part 4 so that we could all join together in unison to get behind our team, get behind this bill, and make sure that the Rugby World Cup is executed flawlessly in this wonderful country of Godzone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb7aee92f0584766bd1408d7b711dad0\u0022\u003EChris Tremain\u003C/span\u003E: Part 3, buddy. He doesn\u2019t even know what it\u2019s about, but never mind.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022debd23b6e7d246e185645a14f7be4c2d\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it is a little hard to tell by a cursory glance at the commentary. That member did not sit on the select committee\u2014a member who, I am sure, had one or two good rucks in his day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228044bbc3400142d7bb85b9d949f9c3a7\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: One too many, I think.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b00acf7947147e5bc7e8e7c4ddfe2d1\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE\u003C/span\u003E: That could be, but we could not possibly speculate on that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022620af6b88934448c9c9f4912e548ef9a\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: Read the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224d21cc279d024d2ca0a6a067e2924fc4\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. I take exception to the fact that certain members opposite have tried to impugn the honour of our party in respect of the country\u2019s great game. I am sure that this game is as dear to those members as it is to us. Perhaps the one thing about Part 4, when we come to it, that will be of some interest to the Committee and the public is the selection process for precisely which Minister will find gainful employment as the Minister for the Rugby World Cup. My personal bet is that it will be Gerry Brownlee, practised as he is in suspending the rule of law, having done so for Canterbury, admittedly for good reason.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fbe3f87c-849c-4eee-84cc-119edeb1a681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b310ea6c9fb5494c9a27c080432eac64\u0022\u003EAaron Gilmore\u003C/span\u003E: You all voted for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db3b6fd22d6d4e09a3e41625cf8a7531\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, indeed, Mr Gilmore, because, as I said, it was for good reason, in extraordinary circumstances and on the basis of good-faith consultation, which usually but not always happens, I observe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fbe3f87c-849c-4eee-84cc-119edeb1a681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287ac87cb78004ed79369c477172bf117\u0022\u003EAaron Gilmore\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s going very well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ae5c339c0901467e88feac350d176f8f\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, the earthquake reconstruction is going very well; that is right. My personal bet is that Mr Brownlee, experienced as he is in such matters, will swoop to the rescue and play the same role for the Government in respect of the Rugby World Cup.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208969b7ce80f433fb9c076706a350c40\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: Shame about Labour.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7001d986fcd4e69b4fb4c1e7c0f4d17\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE\u003C/span\u003E: It is a shame about Labour winning the 2011 election. As it is likely to occur before the Rugby World Cup, Prime Minister Phil Goff will be there to receive the winning team, which will be, of course, the All Blacks. My earnest word in conclusion to the Committee and to the public is that they back the All Blacks and they back Phil Goff to be Prime Minister on the day that the Rugby World Cup is bestowed upon our national team. We should get behind rugby and we should get behind this bill, but we cannot get behind the bill until Part 4 is amended to reduce and remove the extraordinary suspension of liberties that New Zealanders have fought and died for over many generations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022 data-id=\u00221dc8fe2acffe4614ad013385ffedda0a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221dc8fe2acffe4614ad013385ffedda0a\u0022\u003ECHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002246048634a782484cb2f9355e0c20ffe2\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 69\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; M\u0101ori Party 5; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 39; Green Party 9; Progressive 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000596\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the following amendments in the name of the Hon Murray McCully be agreed to: \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000597\u0022\u003Eto omit from clause 20(d) \u201C19(4)\u201D and substitute \u201C19(2)(d)\u201D;\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000598\u0022\u003Eto omit from clause 32(1) \u201Cor if a hearing is not conducted under section 29\u201D and substitute \u201C(whether or not a hearing is conducted)\u201D;\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000599\u0022\u003Eto omit paragraph (a) from clause 32(3) and substitute:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000600\u0022\u003E(a)\tin the case of an application which is not publicly notified,\u2014\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000601\u0022\u003E(i)\tnot later than 5 working days after notice is given under section 2A(2); or\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000602\u0022\u003E(ii)\tnot later than 10 working days after the end of a hearing if one is conducted; or; and\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000603\u0022\u003Eto omit from clause 32(3)(b) \u201Cto which subsection (2) applies\u201D and substitute \u201Cthat is publicly notified\u201D.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000604\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000605\u0022\u003EPart 3 as amended agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d16ba1871a534602aed9e55f4267ada8\u0022\u003EPart 4  Procedures available in circumstances of urgency\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022ce7e8fcca41444bf9ee1e405485f67a3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ce7e8fcca41444bf9ee1e405485f67a3\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E We have come to the most substantive part of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill. Certainly, it is by far the most contentious. With due respect to my colleague from the Greens, I say that from a Labour perspective it is by far the most contentious and the part we have undertaken to oppose. Our support for the bill depends on my amendment being agreed. Part 4 outlines procedures available in circumstances of urgency. The nub of what it does, and I will get to the detail of it, is that it grants the Minister appointed by the Prime Minister\u2014in this case, almost certainly Mr McCully\u2014the ability to override a large number of pieces of legislation of his own accord. That is something that he or she would be able to do\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e9f8d71d76d64cb3b096978599878238\u0022\u003ECharles Chauvel\u003C/span\u003E: Sovereignty at last.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b15faa0c103548c1855ad41937ebd9d9\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I think describing Mr McCully as a sovereign is probably not an appropriate way of putting it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EIt is impossible to overstate the anger on this side of the House at this unconstitutional arrangement. We were pushed very hard over the Canterbury legislation, and I think there is debate now as to whether we were more flexible than we should have been in the granting of powers to the Government. But what is clear is that these powers, which go to one Minister in this case, are much more extensive than those in the Canterbury situation. As an example, the decisions of a Minister made under Part 4 are not regulations. There is no requirement to gazette them. They cannot be examined under the order\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231e0518f75024766b11631bde8590505\u0022\u003ECharles Chauvel\u003C/span\u003E: The Regulations Review Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ec228c15fa64eb096c4941fd1cd7592\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: They cannot go to the Regulations Review Committee, because they are not regulations. A decision could be made to set aside a whole body of case law\u2014years and years and years of case law. An authority that is being specially set up to consider that particular question could hear evidence and hear the experts and make the decision to say no, but the Minister could still say yes. I will get to some examples soon. I want to make it clear that I am not happy about any power being given to a Minister to override the decision of an authority headed by a judge. My view is that Parliament should have those rights but individual Ministers should not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI have offered a compromise to the Minister. The compromise is that the Minister can be a brake on the decisions. If a positive decision is made by the authority that the Minister, on the advice of other Ministers, decides is wrong, he or she should have the ability to say: \u201CNo, we won\u2019t proceed with that.\u201D That is the compromise. I am uncomfortable with a compromise, but that is the compromise I have put on the Table. The thing I think makes New Zealand look like Nigeria is that a Minister can grant his mates approvals after a judge in a properly formed authority has said no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225d5b0d55555c444c9e03f26bb40a9b3c\u0022\u003EJohn Hayes\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s not true.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce17182c54b14f2dab157945ae589152\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: That member sat on the Government Administration Committee, and it is absolutely true. There can be a hearing, there can be a recommendation on the part of the authority to decline an application, but a Minister can override that and can approve that application\u2014for one of his friends, for consideration; we will never know. That sort of approach will make New Zealand look like Nigeria. Part 4 is the most important part of the bill and one on which there will be the most discussion. I will be interested in the contribution from John Hayes, in particular, who denies that the Minister for the Rugby World Cup has the right to overrule a tribunal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002211fe7a6d72ba4a789547a0db2fa2cce5\u0022\u003EJohn Hayes\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019re right; I do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022145361209a1d472dacf8f3e46a7397e3\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: He does. He denies the right. Well, I say to Mr Hayes that it is in the bill, and he sat on the select committee. He was there for the hearings and he was there for the deliberations. Frankly, if it is the understanding of Government members that the Minister does not have that power, then they will have no problem voting for my amendment. If it is their understanding that such a power does not sit in the hands of the Minister, then the appropriate thing for them to do is to vote for my amendment, or, in fact, to question whether Part 4 is needed at all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI would like to challenge members opposite to give us just two examples of where they think it is appropriate for a Minister to override a decision of the authority\u2014case-like examples. I say to the former deputy leader of ACT that I am shocked at the position that ACT is taking on this legislation. I am surprised that the party that stands up for property rights is allowing the property rights of neighbours to be overruled like this. If a proper application on which evidence has been given is rejected, the Minister can say that, yes, that old villa, that historic place, or that building that is subject to a protection order can be bowled over. The Minister can make that decision, under this legislation, and neighbours\u2019 property rights are just wiped. They do not have any, because of this approach.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI thank the M\u0101ori Party for the fact that it has looked carefully at this issue and decided to support the amendment, and quite rightly so. Under this legislation the Minister would have the right to bowl over a marae, to dig up a w\u0101hi tapu, and to put bulldozers through a burial ground. All of which would be stopped by ordinary law, but the Minister has the right to do that under this legislation, because he is not subject to any of the normal laws or any of the normal protections that pertain to this area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI know that Government members will vigorously defend the Minister, and I want them to give us an example or two. I am not breaching the confidentiality of the select committee in talking about its meeting this morning, because it was held in public. One of our members asked Mr Maarten Wevers whether security issues could be a reason, whether security issues could be dealt with using Mr McCully\u2019s powers under this legislation, and she was told no. There is a separate process, a proper process involving a judge whose decisions cannot be overturned by a politician, and security issues will be dealt with in that way. So I want to know why a house that cannot be demolished under current legislation, that cannot be demolished under the Resource Management Act, that cannot be demolished under the non-urgent provisions, and that cannot be demolished under the urgent provisions under a decision from the authority, can be demolished if the Minister claims the right to have that property demolished, against all of the evidence. There can be no good reason for that, and I say to members opposite that they should feel ashamed as they grant this power.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u0022213248d84e6f4241bacd55261a5d8996\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022213248d84e6f4241bacd55261a5d8996\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN (National\u2014Waitaki):\u003C/span\u003E Trevor Mallard has just shown the weakness of his argument in arguing that the Minister for the Rugby World Cup has unbridled powers. He has done that by the very example that he brought up, saying that the Minister would demolish a historic building. Well, leaving aside the fact that very few historic buildings are left in Auckland anyway after 9 years of the previous Labour Government, I ask members just to think about the circumstances in which a Minister wanting the best for a Rugby World Cup would demolish a historic building. Is that an argument that carries any weight, at all? Is that an argument that in the wildest realm of possibility holds any kind of weight? We just need to go through the scenario.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EHere is my scenario for Trevor Mallard: we are 2 days out from the Rugby World Cup, there is a match on, and somebody walks into the boardroom and says that such and such a road\u2019s traffic has not been stopped\u2014we need some real example, so we will use road closures. Fifty thousand people are coming to watch the game, but a road has not been closed to traffic. What will be done about it, because there might be the need for some bollards? Under the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill, as proposed, a decision is made to get by without the road closure. But it is not the panel of judges and commissioners who have to wear the consequences of that decision. The people who have to wear the consequences of that decision are the members of the Government. We have to ask ourselves whether we want appointed people or elected people making those big, critical decisions\u2014and that, I suggest to the member opposite, is absolutely the nub of the argument here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EI also argue that there is no unbridled, unfettered power in this bill, as described by Trevor Mallard. In fact, if Trevor Mallard had decided to take a calm look at clause 4, he would have seen that rather than having unbridled powers to demolish historic buildings, in fact a number of protections are described in Part 4 for the urgent powers to be given to the Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EIt is also worth noting, just while I am at it, that the Government Administration Committee did not recommend any significant changes to those powers, nor did the Labour members on the committee choose to put in a minority report. That is very telling; that says to us that the committee considering this bill was happy with its provisions, and it was just Trevor Mallard\u2014just the former Minister for the Rugby World Cup\u2014who was unhappy with this provision. Even then, that former Minister for the Rugby World Cup, Trevor Mallard, had the opportunity to put in a minority report\u2014such a report was discussed within the select committee\u2014but did he? He did not. Trevor Mallard was asked whether he wanted to put in a minority report on the issue that concerned him so much. At the select committee I asked the member whether he wanted to do that. The answer was \u201CNo. I do not wish to put in a minority report.\u201D It was up to him to put it in; he declined to do so. This issue in relation to Part 4 is merely Labour members saying: \u201CWe can\u2019t have what we want. Therefore, New Zealand can\u2019t have it, either.\u201D If the Labour members on the Government Administration Committee really valued democracy, they would have taken the opportunity given to them to put in a minority report and give their view, but they decided not to do that. I think that is particularly telling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EIn reference to Part 4, I think the only thing the people of New Zealand care about tonight is that the Government supports the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill. That is what people see. They see that the Government is fully behind this bill. The people of New Zealand understand that this Government fully supports the Rugby World Cup, not just for the big games but also for the tournament and the opportunities that will be there for all of us throughout New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EBut what about Labour? It is filibustering on this bill because it does not want the Rugby World Cup to be a success. That is very telling. In speech after speech, Labour members have been pulling holes in this bill, which, at the select committee, they were in full agreement with. I wish the members of the select committee, not just the ring-ins, would stand up and give a view on the bill, because I have to say that throughout the course of the select committee consideration there was broad agreement on it. But once the former Minister for the Rugby World Cup, Trevor Mallard, got hold of this bill, everything went downhill. The Labour select committee members have been taken down a path of filibustering on the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThe other thing that the people of New Zealand are thankful for tonight is that Prime Minister John Key has saved the film industry for New Zealand. That is a great success for New Zealand. So there are two things that this Government is achieving for New Zealand: the Rugby World Cup and the New Zealand film industry. This Government is focused on success for New Zealand. The Hobbit is one part of that\u2014no thanks to the unions, no thanks to Helen Kelly, and no thanks to the Labour Party\u2014and the other one is the Rugby World Cup, which, thanks to this Government and the hard work of the Government members on the Government Administration Committee, will be a raging success despite the poor efforts of Trevor Mallard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u002204752682098c46c9a6c19d5771607e1d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002204752682098c46c9a6c19d5771607e1d\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Tonight we were subjected to Nikki Kaye breathlessly announcing that the Prime Minister had saved The Hobbit for New Zealand. She was preening and strutting around and telling us that the National Government has\u0060 single-handedly rescued the New Zealand film industry. It is very appropriate that that is part of the debate this evening, because underlying the whole debate about the Rugby World Cup, and in fact the public debate about the future of The Hobbit, is the question of Brand New Zealand. This Government, in the way it has handled the dispute about The Hobbit, and in the way it is ramming through Part 4, is sending a very powerful message. The message is that this Government will bend over, as my colleague so eloquently put it, and do anything that is required in order to satisfy itself that it will get the deal. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003ETonight we saw the Prime Minister, John Key, basically announce that he will race any other country to the bottom. He is sending the message to international investors that he will do whatever they want him to do. He has written a cheque to Warner Bros for the amount the Government cut out of the budget for adult and community education. What will happen when New Line Cinema comes knocking? What will happen when Disney comes knocking? What will happen when any other investor comes knocking and says: \u201CWe want a cash handout. How much will you give?\u201D. Not only is the Prime Minister willing to do that and to sell our national self-respect down the river but also he is willing to sell our sovereign lawmaking to any foreign investor who comes knocking. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EWe have had a very broad-ranging debate on this issue. Successive speakers have discussed the saving of The Hobbit, and it is relevant to the Rugby World Cup because in Part 4 we see a willingness to compromise the democratic process and to hand over, in this case to the Hon Murray McCully, unfettered urgency powers. It shows a disregard for our constitutional and democratic processes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022404ee5d97ed44915b160073ac4184018\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: The member should read the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab895538d2b34b7f90bff76ed5de8967\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: That member should read the bill, because the only thing that was more galling than listening to Nikki Kaye explain how the Prime Minister saved The Hobbit was hearing Jacqui Dean\u2019s legal argument. She is the Rumpole of the National Party; the Perry Mason of the Government benches. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EI will never forget Jacqui Dean\u2019s explanation of why these powers should be handed over to the Hon Murray McCully. Let me rehearse the argument for members in case anybody has forgotten Jacqui Dean\u2019s explanation of why those powers should be handed over to Murray McCully. The argument goes like this: it is ultimately the elected politicians and the Ministers of the day who will be accountable to the public of New Zealand for whether the Rugby World Cup is the success that it could be. That is her argument. It is the elected members of Parliament and the Ministers who will be accountable to the public. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EIf that is the argument, if that is what it comes down to, if that is Jacqui Dean\u2019s justification, then we might as well shut down the judiciary and the legislature. Why do we not just hand over the entire governance of our country to the Ministers of this Government? Frankly, under Jacqui Dean\u2019s reasoning, it is only Murray McCully and his Cabinet colleagues who are accountable to the New Zealand public, so we might as well just give them a free hand. Every other piece of democratic process, every other piece of our constitutional history, is an impediment to this Government\u2019s aspirations so we might as well just get rid of it. That is pretty much what Jacqui Dean had to say. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003ELet us talk about Part 4. As my colleague Trevor Mallard has laid out very eloquently, Part 4 gives the Minister for the Rugby World Cup extraordinary powers to override the recommendation of the Rugby World Cup Authority, which is constituted by this bill. It is the contention of members on this side of the Chamber that that is unnecessary and damaging to our democratic process. It essentially makes the Minister unaccountable in the exercise of those executive powers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThe great irony in this whole situation is that Murray McCully is the one member in this Parliament who has demonstrated by his actions why a Minister should not be given unfettered powers to behave in an unaccountable way. We have only to go back as far as 1999, when Murray McCully set up two unaccountable groups of officials in his tourism portfolio because he did not like the advice he was getting from the Tourism Board. Then, after meddling and interfering with the Tourism Board, he sacked three members of the board and paid out $900,000 of taxpayers\u2019 money to keep them quiet. That was all validated in the report of the Auditor-General, and, ultimately, Murray McCully was forced to resign his portfolio because of those shenanigans. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EIf anyone has demonstrated that we should not give Ministers the kind of unfettered powers that this bill gives them, it is Murray McCully. Yet the members on the Government side seem perfectly willing to hand over those kinds of powers, even though, as we have said for the last few hours of this debate, this bill sets out a comprehensive set of processes and a properly constituted authority\u2014it will be headed by a judge, or a lawyer of 7 years\u2019 standing, with a deputy chair who is a lawyer of 7 years\u2019 standing\u2014with all the powers in the world to recruit and commission. It has an administrative secretariat\u2014it is all there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThe system is set up, yet we have not heard from Government members any justification, any scenario, as to why they cannot trust the Rugby World Cup Authority to do the job that this bill asks it to do. Government members insist on handing over executive powers so that this Minister can act in an unaccountable way. It is wrong, it is inappropriate, and the House should not allow it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022 data-id=\u002216ad14d0a059489c86a256c3c455cbe1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002216ad14d0a059489c86a256c3c455cbe1\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour\u2014Palmerston North):\u003C/span\u003E Throughout the debate this evening members on the Government benches have been throwing around a few labels, and I think that Part 4 of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill gives us an opportunity to perhaps introduce a few labels for this Government. \u201CUndemocratic\u201D is a label that sits very comfortably on this Government. It is thoroughly undemocratic. \u201CDividers\u201D is another label that sits very comfortably on this Government. \u201CArrogant\u201D is a third label that I think sits very comfortably, and it is all here in Part 4. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EThe Government is undemocratic because it sets up perfectly good processes in law in other parts of this bill\u2014perfectly good processes\u2014for dealing with applications. It sets up an authority that can hear representations and can hear all sides of the story. It has more than one member, so its members can offer different views and advice to one another. The Government sets up that democratic, robust system and authority, and then, in Part 4, it completely undermines the whole thing and invests all the authority in one person\u2014a Minister. It will probably be either the Minister for the Rugby World Cup or the Minister for Economic Development, and the current Minister for Economic Development is well versed in undemocratic processes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean tried to say it was more democratic to vest all this authority in one elected representative, as opposed to a group of appointed officials. Well, in that case, I ask why we do not just do away with the judiciary. Why do we not just do away with courts, judges, the judicial process, natural justice, and the rule of law? We could get rid of all of those things and rely on vesting all power in a single, albeit elected, person. I think people call that a dictatorship. That, obviously, is where the Government would like us to go, and if we have more examples of what we have here in Part 4, then that sort of undemocratic process is where we will end up. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EThe second label that sits comfortably on this Government is \u201Cdividers\u201D. Government members have been incredibly divisive throughout this debate tonight. They have sought to label the Opposition and, bizarrely, they have not been prepared to even countenance the Hon Trevor Mallard\u2019s one amendment to Part 4. There are numerous clauses in Part 4; there are a huge number of clauses in here. The Hon Trevor Mallard wants to make one addition to clause 51 that puts a small handbrake on the Minister\u2019s power. It is an opportunity for there to be consensus; it is an offer of a compromise position. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EI think that amendment is a very mature response from the Opposition benches, yet Government members just absolutely refuse to engage in an intellectual debate. They refuse to tell us why they are opposed to the amendment offered up by the Hon Trevor Mallard. They refuse to tell us why they have so much confidence in Part 4 as it is written at the moment, without making that amendment. They simply sit there and hurl abuse at the Opposition for trying to offer an option that we could come to a compromise on and build a consensus on. We could move on, as Government members want us to do. We could move on with this legislation right now\u2014right now\u2014if Government members would just get down off their high horses, drop their arrogance for a second, and countenance the idea that the Opposition can put up a good idea and make an offering to this bill that is useful. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EIt is just one clause. Jacqui Dean asked why there was no minority report. Well, putting to one side the fact that Sandra Goudie, the member sitting next to Jacqui Dean, does not actually take kindly to minority reports\u2014she likes to trample on democracy and votes them down\u2014there probably was not even a point in putting forward a minority report on Part 4. Clause 51 is one singular clause. I ask what the point is of having an entire minority report for one amendment to one clause, which can simply and efficiently be dealt with in the amendment that we have put forward this evening. That would be the mature response from this Government, but instead we have had childish insults hurled across the Chamber tonight in an effort to try to paint Opposition members, who are simply saying this part vests too much power in one individual. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EIt is pure arrogance that the Government is not prepared to look at the amendment that Mr Mallard has offered up. If it is not adopted, we may as well cut almost every other provision in this bill. We could probably get rid of Part 3 altogether, most of Part 2 could go, and, frankly, Part 5 could just about be cut out altogether if we leave Part 1 as it is\u2014sorry, Part 4; Mr Mallard is looking at me oddly\u2014because that basically overrides everything else that is in the bill. [Interruption] Yes, I was getting there. The good, solid processes that are already in the bill are thoroughly and completely undermined by Part 4, and it could be so, so easily fixed. It could be easily fixed. We could finish this debate tonight if the Government could get down off its high horse for a second and deal with that issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221fb8d8db-3e96-49c7-ab1c-b7916a50e30e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ebc45ee92734c4f930230d238b337fc\u0022\u003EHon Steve Chadwick\u003C/span\u003E: They\u2019ve dug in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268ad25fc5eee48cbabc2f7588b288c7d\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: Steve Chadwick is absolutely right. Government members have decided to dig in and take the difficult option, rather than seeing sense and just working with the Opposition for once. Part 4 is in dire need of amendment, and the option is still available for the Government to see sense and join with the Opposition in reaching a consensus position. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EOf course, I suppose it is not really a particularly great surprise that Government members have taken the undemocratic approach. We have seen it down in Canterbury with regard to Environment Canterbury. There is also a question mark over the powers that have been vested in the Government following the earthquake. That was an emergency situation\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fbe3f87c-849c-4eee-84cc-119edeb1a681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f1e655965924d66811492e1aef2380d\u0022\u003EAaron Gilmore\u003C/span\u003E: You guys voted for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022da08b20d87b3463bb574873150432dbb\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and we voted in favour of the legislation because it was an emergency situation, but there are certainly some question marks around it. But again, what actually happened with regard to the Canterbury legislation was that the Government engaged with us to a certain extent, and we were able to reach a position where there was some handbrake on that unbridled power. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EWhy does it not do the same thing this evening? I ask that of the Minister in the chair, the Hon David Carter. We have not had a single call taken by any of the Ministers who have occupied the chair this evening. I ask what the reason is for not engaging with the Opposition on this amendment. That question lies before the Minister in the chair and before any member on the Government benches who wants to take up that challenge. Government members have not been able to articulate in any meaningful way whatsoever this evening why they are so opposed to a mature and sensible amendment that would simply modify the legislation in a way that would make New Zealanders comfortable with it and make the Opposition comfortable with it, so that we could actually make some progress on this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022 data-id=\u0022a2ff89fe563c4e6e97b21e743fdd2249\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a2ff89fe563c4e6e97b21e743fdd2249\u0022\u003EJOHN HAYES (National\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022 data-id=\u0022e363704060a744958e1765eae8c62ffd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e363704060a744958e1765eae8c62ffd\u0022\u003EDAVID SHEARER (Labour\u2014Mt Albert):\u003C/span\u003E I have spoken on the other parts of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill, but Part 4 is the crux of why we are debating this bill. We largely support the other parts of the bill, as my colleagues have made very clear. There are some technicalities, but it is Part 4 that we find abhorrent. The reason for that is very simple: the Minister has unbridled power to basically run roughshod over all of the procedures that would otherwise be in place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EWe went through Part 2, which sets up the Rugby World Cup Authority. This authority comprises a senior judge of some 7 years\u2019 standing; other members of the authority are also senior. It has the ability to hear in a very, very short time concerns and applications that may arise. We support that. We are setting up a special authority to enable those applications to be heard. Nevertheless, we believe it is important for the Rugby World Cup to have that facility, just in case it is needed. Part 3 sets up all the procedures. The procedures are set out in some detail, as well as the difficulties that could arise, to make sure that the authority is able to hear the submissions\u2014again, so that the proper procedures and the proper democratic process can be followed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EWe come to Part 4 and we are more or less throwing Parts 2 and 3 out the window. We are giving the Minister pretty much unbridled power to do whatever he or she likes. We have to ask ourselves why we need Parts 2 and 3. Why do we not just have Part 4? Part 4 could have done what was essentially already there, without the need to go through this debate. This debate is about Part 4 and the ability of the Minister to exercise that power. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EWe have an alternative. Mr Mallard has put up an amendment. It is a reasonable suggestion and would remove that power. We would be able to go back to an authority that has our full confidence and has full standing, and to a set of procedures that are tight and robust, even given the short time span in which the authority would be able to hear a case. I do not quite understand why we need to give a Minister that sort of power. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EAs my colleague Iain Lees-Galloway said, this is not the first time. We have had this situation with Environment Canterbury. We had it with the earthquake, which we supported. In some ways we uncomfortably supported it, but we nevertheless supported it. But this is part of a long list of things that we are finding progressively undemocratic, such as the number of Official Information Act requests that we have submitted that take weeks to be answered, and the number of times we have had to appeal to the Ombudsman to ensure that those requests are responded to. We are still waiting weeks for those. This is perhaps a step too far. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1de9af5e76d40baa0c27c323598471f\u0022\u003EJohn Hayes\u003C/span\u003E: Welcome to Opposition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221c4151e082f84b4f9a0446f0fcef4529\u0022\u003EDAVID SHEARER\u003C/span\u003E: John Hayes may try to interject, but it is true. During the lunch break today I was talking to a number of journalists who are having the same problem as we are. We want to get information. It is our right as an Opposition to be able to do that. It is our right as an Opposition to delay this bill. We believe that Part 4 is essentially undemocratic, and it is not in the interests of New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EJust to rub salt into the wound, Labour is the party that brought the Rugby World Cup to New Zealand. This is the party that had the vision to get out there and argue to get the Rugby World Cup brought to New Zealand. Then we hear a whole bunch of members on the other side of the Chamber saying that somehow we are unpatriotic because we do not support Murray McCully having unfettered power through this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022f6729652d9534d30ae1fa5ad28c4fdc5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f6729652d9534d30ae1fa5ad28c4fdc5\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I say with a bit of risk that I do not entirely agree with all of the comments the preceding speaker, David Shearer, made, notwithstanding the fact that he is on my side of the Chamber. It is my view that Part 4 of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill is necessary. There is no doubt in my mind that there has to be an approach for granting urgent approvals. I have given the example of a building. There might well be an occasion when it is appropriate to have a building bowled quickly. There is also the transport issue. As a result of a foul-up at the opening of the Rugby World Cup, the decision might be made to implement some road closures later on for the semi-finals and the finals, and an urgent process would be necessary. I do not think there is a debate about the need for having an urgent process; it is just about the way that it is shaped. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EIn particular, we can look at the differences in approach between clauses 52 and 53. Clause 52 is \u201CEffect of declaration made by Order in Council\u201D, and clause 53 is \u201CEffect of urgent approval granted by Minister\u201D. They are quite different clauses. I see no problem. I cannot remember whether you, Mr Chairperson Barker, were involved while you were a Minister, but on occasion I was part of very hurriedly put together Executive Council meetings to pass Orders in Council; statutory management is the obvious example. There is an ability for a Government, if necessary, to get three Ministers together in order to form an Executive Council to pass Orders in Council. But I think in undertaking that process we ensure a sense of collective responsibility and make sure there is a check and a balance on a particular individual Minister, rather than letting them run without the checks that are in this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI point out that some useful changes have been made in this bill, especially around the terms and conditions, including the payment of a bond. Unlike the deposits for the Part 3 declarations, the bonds for the Part 4 declarations are such that there can be a deposit not only around the cost of the hearings, but also to secure the costs of any remediation of work that is done, and to make sure that the conditions of the urgent approval are met. That is relatively unusual in New Zealand law; it occasionally happens with oil companies. Because this is a very unusual power I think the Government Administration Committee did a good thing in making sure there was a bonding arrangement and therefore some of the rorts could not occur. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EThe Rugby World Cup Authority in making its recommendations and the Minister in granting an application\u2014as happens\u2014have to look to a number of factors. One factor is the need to secure public safety, as well as to avoid, control, or mitigate any adverse impacts of a permitted Rugby World Cup activity on the environment. Those additions were made by the select committee. The select committee saw that it was exceptionally important in these urgent cases, which will be irreversible. This is the key part of the legislation. With everything else in the legislation, there is time for appeal, there is time for a reversal, and there is, at least on points of law, an ability to get to a court. But clause 51(4) makes it clear that a decision of the Minister under this section is final. Using the example that we have used on a number of occasions, a decision could well be assigned by a Minister at 11:59, and at 12 o\u2019clock the bulldozers start to move. There is no ability to intervene or to use court processes in order to review or hold the decision. That provision, therefore, is very, very serious. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI think we need to focus as well\u2014and I would be interested in the opinions of Government members, and possibly the Attorney-General\u2019s\u2014on clause 53(2). That clause is designed to make clear that any right that is based on one of these approvals does not give any right based on the use of the land after the expiry of the approval. It is all very well and good to say that a right does not give someone any rights afterwards, but if one has demolished a building in order to make a fan space, then there obviously cannot be, if it is a historic building, a requirement to replace the building in the form that it was. So a lot of these decisions end up being very, very final. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI also say that I think the Minister got it right in the introduction of this legislation after discussions with the Labour Opposition, in having requirement under clause 51(1)(a) and especially (b) to consult relevant Ministers. When a Minister gets a declaration from the authority there is then a requirement on the Minister to go to their colleague the Minister for Economic Development, in this case Mr Brownlee, and then to go to any relevant Minister of the Crown. I think that would generally be the Minister for the Environment or the Minister of Conservation. They are the two who I think are most likely, because they are the Ministers who hold the powers. There might be occasions where the Minister for Biosecurity might become involved; I would again be interested in the view of the Minister in the chair, the Hon David Carter, as to whether the Minister of Agriculture might be consulted if there is a biosecurity issue. In other cases there might be a commerce question or a competition question. I would be interested in the views of Mr Power on whether he envisages becoming involved in this consultation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EThere is the question of whether in Subpart 2, \u201CMiscellaneous Provisions\u201D, clause 52 is misplaced. I wonder whether this clause should be earlier in the legislation. The implication is that it relates to Part 4 when, in fact, it relates to Part 3. There could well be confusion with the Act later on. I would be interested in opinion on whether it would be better drafted in an order where the regulation explanation clause\u2014it is not the regulation-making one; that is in clause 48, which is earlier in the bill\u2014sits in the appropriate place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EThis is the second of my sets of calls. I finish this call on the same basis as I did my first, and that is with a challenge to Government members to give us a specific example of where they think a Minister of the Crown should have the right on his or her own accord, against the view of a judge and a panel\u2014it is not just a judge; it is also an expert panel\u2014to override those decisions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022c4fd81d1523e45999e6b695762dca603\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c4fd81d1523e45999e6b695762dca603\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I will pick up on the whole question that Trevor Mallard spoke about in relation to the checks and balances on Ministers. Those checks and balances are a really important part of the conventions of accountable government. The conduct of the Minister responsible for this bill, the Hon Murray McCully, and the Minister who in all likelihood will be the Minister for the Rugby World Cup, is an affront to the conventions of accountable government. I will give members a couple of examples that I think are relevant to this whole debate about the granting of urgency powers. This Minister, as the Minister of Foreign Affairs, has in recent times appointed a former National MP, Mark Blumsky, to a position. The Minister intervened to award a contract worth $78,000, and he awarded it to a former National MP, Mark Blumsky.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e4598179d0045d88c8c89cf1bbce8e3\u0022\u003EJo Goodhew\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I am looking for relevance to this part and I fail to find it. [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203bc0052-6dd8-4807-998a-4768a4732e0b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e189ef8470cb41d3a00fb646bb77ad2e\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker)\u003C/span\u003E: No, we are not going to have that, thank you. I say to the member that although members have said this is a wide-ranging debate, it is not. People have strayed, and I guess it is going backwards and forwards. However, I suggest to the member that he needs to concentrate on Part 4. There may be other examples that he can tie in by way of example, but they cannot be the main thrust of the member\u2019s speech. We are on Part 4, and I invite the member to continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d956a30174b44b438640c0e948b31dc6\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chairman, and as you have said, we are discussing Part 4. We are discussing, in particular, the granting of what we regard as excessive powers under the urgency provisions of this bill that allow the Minister for the Rugby World Cup to make decisions that override the recommendations of the officials who are empowered, under this bill, as the Rugby World Cup Authority. That calls into question the commitment of this Government to the normal conventions of accountable government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000673\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EMy point right now is that this Minister has demonstrated, by his own ministerial record, the very reasons why those conventions of accountable government must be respected. It is very easy to imagine situations where this Minister under this legislation could ignore the advice of officials and override them in the way that he has consistently, as Minister of Foreign Affairs, ignored the advice of foreign affairs officials. He has a track record of making decisions on a whim, without any kind of policy basis. He has cut major multi-year funding contracts without any kind of evaluation or analysis being undertaken about the effectiveness of those projects. He has a cavalier approach, and has systematically ignored and disregarded the advice of officials. That is relevant; that is utterly relevant to the matter that we are debating in this bill, because it formalises the right of this Minister to make decisions in complete disregard of the advice that he receives from the officials and the Rugby World Cup Authority. We have seen that consistently in his conduct as Minister of Foreign Affairs. It has not only been about disregarding the advice of officials in the management of the aid programme, but he has a reputation for cronyism.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000674\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e03250a07f724882946bdf74fd75863c\u0022\u003EHon Christopher Finlayson\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I have listened carefully to this member\u2019s contribution; it could only be described as emotionally incontinent. Why does he not concentrate on Part 4, instead of indulging in personal abuse? [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000675\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203bc0052-6dd8-4807-998a-4768a4732e0b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e45153b231fc4f55978be3f554b69919\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker)\u003C/span\u003E: No, I do not need that. [Interruption] I am on my feet; there will be no interchange. The point is I was listening to the debate, and I would say that the member, in my view, is sailing close to the wind. But the point of this legislation is that it does concentrate powers into the hands of certain people. It is not, in my view, outside the realm of the debate to say there might be some concerns about how these people exercise those powers. The point is that the member must concentrate on the bill and make points by way of example. I invite the member to continue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226898ac40413548adbb910c584a465aae\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chairman. Part 4 puts certain powers in the hands of the Minister for the Rugby World Cup, although there are some caveats. He is required to do certain things. He is required to secure public safety and to avoid, control, or mitigate any adverse impacts of the event on the environment. But those caveats are minor and trifling, compared with the powers that are being put into the hands of the Minister for the Rugby World Cup. It is a concern to me and to members on this side of the Chamber that the very person who will be exercising those powers under this legislation has a track record and history of disregard for the basic conventions of accountable government. We saw that back in the 1990s with regard to the Tourism Board, and we see it now with the management of the foreign aid programme.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022 data-id=\u0022da77f3503531472eb74105203cdd7e08\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002225f8c78b-f301-4aca-a936-366f00a26bc9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022da77f3503531472eb74105203cdd7e08\u0022\u003ESANDRA GOUDIE (National\u2014Coromandel):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022d310d39b247d48108dcb5b46c257f857\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 69\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; M\u0101ori Party 5; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 48\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 39; Green Party 8; Progressive 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000678\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Trevor Mallard to clause 51 be agreed to: \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000679\u0022\u003Eto add the following subsection:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000680\u0022\u003E(5)\tDespite section 4, if the Authority\u2019s recommendation is to not grant an urgent application the Minister may not override that advice and grant the application.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022d9575a901762494987db751f9bc35708\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 53\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 39; Green Party 8; M\u0101ori Party 5; Progressive 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 64\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002278fc922df285437e88ffe314b3200ff3\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That Part 4 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 69\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; M\u0101ori Party 5; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 48\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 39; Green Party 8; Progressive 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EPart 4 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000681\u0022\u003EThe result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 69, Noes 49.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00221c3dc03802b14a7d907a2076668d3db3\u0022\u003EPart 5  Rugby World Cup liquor licences\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203bc0052-6dd8-4807-998a-4768a4732e0b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad03b3d91fe34cccb277dce8495e2d03\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker)\u003C/span\u003E: We are now debating clauses 56 to 87 and schedule 2.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022be82c5459df74f2da02e35474039d5ae\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022be82c5459df74f2da02e35474039d5ae\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E We have now reached not the most party-based politically contentious part of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill but the bit that is actually contentious among members. I indicate that on Part 5, and on the amendments that will follow, Labour will be having a conscience vote, because this part concerns liquor licensing, which has traditionally been subject to a conscience vote for Labour members of Parliament. There will be the ability, of course, for Labour members to table amendments to this part, on which there will be a range of views. It is fair to say that my younger\u2014half my age\u2014colleague Iain Lees-Galloway and I have some views on this part that differ.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EMy view is that, overall, between the work of the Minister for the Rugby World Cup and the work of the Government Administration Committee, a pretty sensible regime has been put together. There is not much doubt that the intention of this part is to liberalise a set of rules and to make it easier to get liquor licences, and, in my opinion, it will be easier to get a more coherent system for dealing with liquor licences on a temporary basis within particular areas, to get some logical planning and some flow around not the big fan zones but the smaller areas, and to ensure that that happens all around the country, not only in places where matches are being played\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287de45d41b924c7b873a51a1fa5a58a2\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: Even in the South Island.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f884d5eb7fb4e86b6e07767f2034e28\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: Even in Temuka, or wherever it is that the member comes from. Applications for those licences will be made under this part. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EFurther to that, although I do not have the expertise of the Attorney-General on the definition of \u201Cextraterritorial\u201D, this legislation will affect ships at sea, certainly ships within New Zealand\u2019s territorial waters. Those ships will be able to have liquor licences under clause 57, \u201CInterpretation\u201D, and the new interpretation of \u201Cship\u201D. I say to the Rugby World Cup people that although I myself was not there for the presentation, I believe that Therese Walsh gave a cogent presentation on behalf of Rugby World Cup 2011. She made an argument for cruise ships to be able to have liquor licences issued under Part 5. What surprised me is that it became clear to members of the committee that there is a theoretical ruling\u2014I am pretty certain it does not actually happen\u2014that cruise ships while in New Zealand waters cannot have their bars open. It is a really interesting concept, but we need to consider wider legal change if we want to make New Zealand an attractive place for cruise ships. Those of us who have cruised know about the consumption of alcohol on cruise ships\u2014[Interruption] I make absolutely clear to my younger colleagues who have different interpretations of that word that I was quite surprised to learn that, generally, cruise ships within New Zealand waters do not have liquor licences. Clearly, the ferries and some of the ships that ply the coast do, and that is important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI thank John Hayes, as he and I worked together pretty well on subclause 59(3) to make sure that clubs with permanent charters would not be adversely affected and would be allowed to apply for this sort of special licence. I am sure that the P\u0113tone Working Men\u2019s Club, which is the biggest chartered club in the Wellington region and one of the biggest in the country, will be pleased about this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EBut we also recognised that in granting these applications there was an element of risk; there was a danger to the community from the less than scrupulous. [Interruption] I do not want to comment on what I am looking at, Mr Chairman, but I am not sure it is entirely appropriate for you to be addressed in that manner by that member! To return to the bill, the question is what we do with people who breach their special licences made under the Rugby World Cup legislation. We have made clear that if they lose that licence they lose their general licence. They cannot just revert back to one of their old licences if they have a breach. And it is easier for a licensee to lose a licence under this legislation than would normally be the case, so I sound a warning to people out there who will be running bars under this legislation. People do not have to do that. If they want to they can continue operating under their current licences, with one exception, and that is venues. If you are a venue with a current licence, you will be required under this legislation to apply for a Rugby World Cup licence. That requirement was introduced at the request of the Rugby World Cup company in order to make sure there was consistency. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI also know that my colleagues, as members opposite do, have different views about the containers in which liquor should be delivered. I am relatively old-fashioned in these matters and I just hate drinking beer out of paper cups. I know that the Chairman has a different view; the Chairman has drunk quite a lot of beer out of paper cups\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203bc0052-6dd8-4807-998a-4768a4732e0b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fb83bfc2370b407b9e862884c93d2de4\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker)\u003C/span\u003E: I say to the member that it is not appropriate to bring the Chair into the debate. What the Chair has or has not done is immaterial. I am here merely to facilitate the debate. The member sets high standards on the rules in the Chamber and I want to make sure he maintains his own standard. By the way, I am not a venue. You said \u201Cyou are a venue\u201D; the Chair is not a venue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000693\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221eba4838e8ee486ca8f7b5191012bfed\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: That could be interpreted in a number of ways. I think some pretty exciting games have been played there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203bc0052-6dd8-4807-998a-4768a4732e0b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac722c3b895c4a3398fd20bb060cf4f9\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker)\u003C/span\u003E: There has been a ruling. The member cannot go back to comment on it. The matter is closed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221706644f3fc54491bda8af3527e60521\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: If it was, it would have been even more exciting!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI thank the Chair for that intervention. The point I am making is that experienced members of this House have been to a number of American football matches and they have been discussing them with me recently. There have been large paper cups of beer there and they have consumed them. I am relatively old-fashioned. I do not mind a tinny, but I prefer\u2014[Interruption] Not a tinny house; the can. The generation gap here is awful. I do not mind drinking beer out of a can; that is the point I am making. I prefer to have it from a glass, but I certainly disagree with those members, including Judith Collins, who wanted to force people to carry around paper cups of flat beer provided from pourers. I think that would make us look like a pretty Mickey Mouse operation. I say well done to Murray McCully, because he stood up to Judith Collins. Not many people have done that. Not many people have stood up in that way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI now refer especially to clause 73, \u201COther conditions of licences\u201D. Clause 73(1)(a) makes it clear that the licences must specify the days on which liquor can be sold\u2014that is important\u2014the hours, and conditions relating to the sale and supply of low-alcohol beverages and the provision of food for consumption. But there is something missing here and it is one of the few things Iain Lees-Galloway and I agree on. It is the question of transportation\u2014notices around transportation, and the importance of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203bc0052-6dd8-4807-998a-4768a4732e0b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236064fe15902427885031e9ff077e0ed\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker)\u003C/span\u003E: Before I call the next speaker I want to make an amendment to the vote. There was a mistake in the addition of the voting on the question that Part 4 stand part. The vote should have been announced as 68 for the Ayes, 48 for the Noes. The record will be corrected.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022 data-id=\u00221ba263366b5c4f4081e7f39ae1e1f931\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221ba263366b5c4f4081e7f39ae1e1f931\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour\u2014Palmerston North):\u003C/span\u003E I have been positioned by a number of members this evening, and now I am even being positioned by a member on my own side, which is a little bit concerning. I suspect that there is a generation gap between the Hon Trevor Mallard\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225ea97a0ec85a47c1af683c2f2e6ce4b9\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: Or two.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000701\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fac30786ee3e4f568baa3336d58a2584\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, maybe, but I suspect that Mr Mallard and I may end up finding that we agree on more; there will be more that binds us than separates us on this matter. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EIt is fair to say that in my role as the Opposition\u2019s associate health spokesperson working in the drug and alcohol treatment area, a number of the people whom I work with and discuss policy with have expressed their concerns to me about Part 5 of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill because it liberalises liquor licences and, superficially at least, makes it easier to acquire a licence for the period of time that the tournament is occurring. It could cause a proliferation of liquor outlets, and that would be occurring alongside a massive influx of people who are looking for entertainment, looking to go out and drink, and will be out in the cities that are hosting test matches across the country. That is a potential cocktail\u2014pun intended; the member should not look at me like that\u2014for trouble and will be a lot of work for the police, hospitals, emergency departments, and community organisations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EThere is a lot of potential for damage, harm, and mess\u2014in all senses and all definitions of the word \u201Cmess\u201D\u2014during the world cup. Yes, out there amongst certain sectors of the public, there are some concerns about what Part 5 actually sets out to achieve. However, having looked reasonably closely at Part 5, I think it does a fairly good job of recognising the fact that we need to respond to a large number of people who will be seeking entertainment at entertainment venues. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003ESome of the points raised in the previous speech were interesting. I have heard bodies referred to as temples; I have even heard one former Prime Minister refer to his body as a warehouse. But to refer to someone\u2019s body as an entertainment venue is a whole new area that perhaps we should not traverse too much tonight. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EThis bill responds to the fact that a number of people will be looking for entertainment and that our cities will need to be able to respond to that. It does so in, I think, a reasonably responsible way. One of the best provisions in the bill is that those who have acquired a licence under this legislation\u2014they have applied to the Rugby World Cup Authority rather than having a standard Sale of Liquor Act licence\u2014will be required in law to provide free water. That is a significant advance, and perhaps it is leading the way in terms of changes that we might be able to make to our regular legislation. It is a very sensible provision within the bill; I think it makes a lot of sense. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EI am concerned about the liberalising and opening up of alcohol consumption on cruise ships. My colleague seems quite excited about this, but the concept of a booze cruise and people conglomerating on a cruise ship with the one purpose in mind of becoming intoxicated is concerning, not least because they are on water and one can fall off a ship. The potential consequences of that are somewhat more dramatic than losing one\u2019s balance in a bar. It is concerning also because of the fact that people are concentrated in an area, and there are few options, especially once the ship is offshore. Once people are out there, they are out there, and their options in terms of walking away from the situation are minimised. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EI think it is fair that we discuss this matter a little further. I am certainly open-minded to other members\u2019 opinions on it, and I will be in the Chamber to listen to them. I think it is important in a conscience vote that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022 data-id=\u0022e1495669c4f64696ae91a33a7db8211d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e1495669c4f64696ae91a33a7db8211d\u0022\u003EJOHN HAYES (National\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022 data-id=\u0022fb5a7882aad24d43a319fd008c8b9bb1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fb5a7882aad24d43a319fd008c8b9bb1\u0022\u003EJACINDA ARDERN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E It is my pleasure to take a call on Part 5 of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill, which I have not had an opportunity to speak on. I think the comments made by my colleagues reflect the importance that this part has within the bill. It refers specifically to liquor licences. My colleague Iain Lees-Galloway, who has specific responsibility for alcohol matters for the Labour Party, has outlined some of our specific views, but I will touch on a couple of elements that may not have been raised in the debate thus far. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EClause 56 makes a reference in subclause (1)(a) to \u201Cthe significance of the Rugby World Cup 2011 \u2026 the scale of the hospitality that is needed,\u201D. It is unusual to have such language in a bill, but I think it demonstrates the different situation that we are dealing with when it comes to the provision of hospitality specifically for the Rugby World Cup. I wish to outline two concerns. We are expecting anywhere between 70,000 and 85,000 visitors as a consequence of the Rugby World Cup. It is a considerable ask for our existing providers of hospitality, particularly within our city centres like Auckland central, to cover the demands of that huge influx of people. Although, as required under our contract as hosts for the Rugby World Cup, fan zones will be specifically set up to deal with this huge influx, we are also expecting existing hospitality providers to cope. From the conversations I have had with business owners in, for instance, the Ponsonby area, which is very close to central Auckland, they are telling me that they are booked out via corporate functions and corporate hospitality by domestic fans already. Their services are already in demand to the extent that they have no capacity to deal with the additional international guests that we will be hosting. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EI guess for me that has highlighted a separate issue when it comes to hospitality, which is that we really need to make sure that the city council and the Rugby World Cup Authority, which is established by this legislation, work really closely with our business associations, and not just the Ponsonby association, Heart of the City, and the loosely formed West Lynn business association, but also the association out in Mount Albert, as well. Not only does the city council need to liaise with them in a more coherent way\u2014because my understanding is that the transition to the super-city has really acted as a barrier to that happening\u2014but also the authority needs to, as well. The businesses will be our interface with our international guests. Although we may put in place all that is necessary to allow additional licences to be granted, we will be asking existing licence holders to deal with this huge event. I do not believe that we have included them in our planning enough to date. That is just a request, if anything, to involve them, and perhaps a word of caution, as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EI am pleased to see that under clause 56, the purpose clause in this part of the bill, we have highlighted that priority is to be given to \u201Cmatters of public health and safety\u201D, and also to \u201Cthe minimisation of harm to persons and property.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EI wonder about the Minister currently in the chair, the Hon David Carter. I think this is the third call in which I have asked the Minister to respond during the Committee stage. I do not think that a response has happened once, and it has been quite a lengthy Committee stage, so that is unfortunate. The request that I make is for the Government to perhaps outline whether it has any expectations about how harm minimisation will occur. Helpfully, Iain Lees-Galloway has pointed out that an unprecedented requirement will now be that some of the suppliers\u2014those who hold licences\u2014will need to provide water. That may seem to be very simple, but people who have been to a very large event will know that they have to hand over their first-born to buy one bottle of water, and will know what a significant change that will be. I wonder whether the Government could outline its other expectations in that area. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EI am pleased, as well, that scattered through this part, and also through other parts of the bill, we have significant references to public health. I find that to be ironic, given that in every other aspect of health care generally, the Government has slashed and burned.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022 data-id=\u00224d9541cb757c43ee935de29dcce489bd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224d9541cb757c43ee935de29dcce489bd\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour\u2014Palmerston North):\u003C/span\u003E I will pick up where I was cut off just before. I am looking for clauses in Part 5 of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill that can give me some reassurance about this part. I was looking at clause 60(6), which says that when \u201Cthe administrative secretariat forwards an application to the Authority, the administrative secretariat must provide a copy of each application to\u2014(a) the constable in charge of the Police station nearest to the premises or area in respect of which the licence is sought; and (b) the Medical Officer of Health of the district within which those premises or that area is situated; and (c) an inspector; and (d) the chief executive of the New Zealand Fire Service.\u201D It is extremely reassuring that all of those organisations and individuals will be consulted about, and will be aware of, liquor licences that have been applied for under this legislation. Again, I think this clause is another example of how this part does a reasonable job of balancing the need to make venues and alcoholic beverages available with the need to have a focus on public health, and public safety as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EAs Jacinda Ardern picked up on, it is somewhat unusual that this legislation has a fairly good public health focus. That leads me back to the comments made earlier in the debate about which vessels should be used as containers for alcoholic beverages. I believe that the Government should have been a bit bolder, resisted the influence of the liquor industry, and actually said yes, it was OK to have alcoholic beverages in paper cups or in something other than bottles and cans. There are numerous examples of fans having become intoxicated in a group, and of a pack mentality starting to set in. People do things that they would not ordinarily do, and they probably feel quite ashamed about them the next day. Those vessels quickly become missiles, and they can become dangerous, not just to the other people who are watching the matches but also to the players themselves, and potentially to people out in the streets, as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EI think that the Government should have taken a tougher line on that. It is not unusual for this Government to\u2014I think I should be careful with the words I use, given the warnings that I was given earlier in the night, but when it comes to corporations, especially multinational corporations, this Government is not inclined to stand up to them. It certainly does not say we have a Kiwi way of doing things, and that is the way we will do things in this country. It pretty much just says yes to anything that any corporation says. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213ce4fa89740472b8d71086ac77ac95c\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s not unparliamentary language.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc921355255e4b1881b609dddfae5674\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: My colleague Jacinda Ardern is assisting me by saying that the phrase that I used earlier was not unparliamentary. That is true, but I do not really want to trifle with the Chairperson any more than I did. I certainly would not want to see Jacqui Dean need to take any more points of order because I offend her in some way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EI would like to move on to the amendment that is in my name. It is to make a small amendment to Subpart 3. Subpart 3, specifically subclause 72(1)(a), deals with the signage that licensees are required to place in their venues. I saw this as a practical opportunity to improve health and safety for partygoers and people who are at the venues, by requiring the signage to include details of transport options that are available near the premises for patrons, to encourage them to choose safe transportation. There is a reason why I chose that particular method of mitigating the harms related to alcohol: because a lot of the other ones are already well and truly on display and available to patrons. Low-alcohol and non-alcoholic beverages will be clearly visible in the premises. The food that will be required will be clearly visible on the premises, as well. Even though venues will be required to make available to patrons transport options to assist them and ensure their safety, there is no requirement\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022 data-id=\u00224d90001cdeb9422c995222b8729c2863\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224d90001cdeb9422c995222b8729c2863\u0022\u003ECLARE CURRAN (Labour\u2014Dunedin South):\u003C/span\u003E With regard to Part 5 of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill, which provides for the temporary process for licensing the sale and supply of liquor in the context of the particular hosting responsibilities related to the Rugby World Cup, I would also like to mention what a number of my colleagues have talked about regarding the vessels, the containers, or the receptacles that contain the liquor. Although my colleague Trevor Mallard expressed his pickiness about the receptacles, I would like to say I am not particularly picky about the receptacles in which the liquor is held; personally, I am more picky about the liquor itself and the quality of that liquor. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EI think, on a more serious note, that this is an important issue. As my colleague Iain Lees-Galloway has pointed out, a number of issues are associated with that, as we know from past experience. Some of these issues I have witnessed myself, where people have had liquor sold to them, they became inebriated, and they got into such a state of excitability that they used the receptacles as missiles. This is an important issue, and it is certainly something that needs to be taken into account. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EI also note what my colleague Trevor Mallard said about the liquor issue being subject to a conscience vote, and certainly that is important. The whole of New Zealand is having a lot of discussion at the moment on the wider issues of liquor and its effects on our society. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EI will comment about two particular aspects. One aspect is the venues, which I do not think have been talked about very much\u2014the kinds of venues in which liquor will be sold, and for which licences will be sought to sell liquor during the Rugby World Cup. I make particular mention of some of the discussion that has been happening in Dunedin around where the rugby fans could be watching the games\u2014and this is an issue not just in Dunedin but right around the country, in centres where games are not being held. The issue is about the venues in which people will be watching games and for which liquor licences will be sought. There is quite an interesting discussion about the possibility that Dunedin rugby fans could be watching the Rugby World Cup final in 3-D on a big screen at the new Forsyth Barr Stadium in Dunedin, from the comfort of a cinema seat. I note also that there is discussion about cinema lines around the country looking to screen some of the matches in cinemas. Members have to ask whether liquor will be sold in those venues. Presumably it will be.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EProgress reported.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 9.55 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20101027b1cc05113c664f51885bfce519065825000728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"