"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00227aee04b0fd17410ba240308457748c81\u0022\u003EThursday, 29 March 2012\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b93c476853b241cda35c8af5da6363fa\u0022\u003EThursday, 29 March 2012\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000002\u0022\u003EMr Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e25f2a988ac24903a9133620ea080f57\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224b8699ff52374cd2ae3b0d52048dec13\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u00225672c9e5a4894e55890077b62ccd0dd5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225672c9e5a4894e55890077b62ccd0dd5\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY (Deputy Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E When the House resumes on Tuesday, 3 April the Government will look to progress a number of bills on the Order Paper, including the first reading of the Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill and the Committee stage of the Appropriation (2010/11 Financial Review) Bill. Wednesday, of course, is a members\u2019 day. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022f231bb4fd91543359e3318b24463ab0f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f231bb4fd91543359e3318b24463ab0f\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E Can I ask the Deputy Leader of the House whether it is the Government\u2019s intention to table next week the delegations resulting from the resignation of Nick Smith, or whether it will wait until the inquiries into Judith Collins are completed before they do that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u00227a66438639d74e8291d0032c4c99cb95\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227a66438639d74e8291d0032c4c99cb95\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY (Deputy Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E The member well knows that that is entirely at the discretion of the Prime Minister. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00229dfbcb7db2554715aecf3279d568f67f\u0022\u003EQuestions for Oral Answer\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c48229ec9b6c405cb1a699f92a68ef94\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022107ee7cd66654370a6cafedfc5a1d6cf\u0022\u003EACC, Minister\u2014Confidence\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022d3b160e1578b492eb59c34985d1bc064\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d3b160e1578b492eb59c34985d1bc064\u0022\u003EGRANT ROBERTSON (Deputy Leader\u2014Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he have confidence in the Minister for ACC?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u00220b861f3d688a4b89a99665e96e0d4caa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220b861f3d688a4b89a99665e96e0d4caa\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Deputy Prime Minister)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Prime Minister: Yes, the Minister is a hard-working and competent Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d4b2c080c3f74f70b7367f842d05ed9d\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: What occurred after the ACC Minister\u2019s first denial that she was behind the leak of the email sent by Michelle Boag that prompted him to ask her a second time, as he told the media he had done?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002225cf668497514902898c23f054f24d24\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I think the member is making a mountain out of a molehill. The fact is that these matters were serious matters of public interest, and as the story unfolded the Prime Minister simply checked his understanding of what had occurred.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5cd383b044541758f463cbacf1cf044\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Did someone from his office ask blogger Cameron Slater whether he received the email from Ms Collins\u2019 office, and if so, what was the reply?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022664a5fb3a0264e1c9f223481b833cced\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I simply do not know the answer to that question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c019ed8407e41678c01dc30dba25681\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Who else has he or his office spoken to about whether they were part of or behind the leaking of the Michelle Boag email?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022068867ab2a2a437bb054244b11819a9a\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: What happened with the email is a matter for the Minister and a matter for the ACC board. The Prime Minister does not regard it as his\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b3cf71d3354431da988068599e361ae\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Why did he ask her then?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b75b6314f7e4ff79854942111d0af7b\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: The Prime Minister is not involved with managing ACC cases. He has asked the Minister for an assurance and he has received it, and he has confidence in that Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203d240c8a93b4808b805f8a548e1bb75\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with Bill English\u2019s assessment of Judith Collins as being \u201Cpushed beyond her capacity\u201D, with an \u201Cunfortunately high estimate of her own competence.\u201D, and that she \u201Cspent too much time cultivating the media herself, and believing the resulting publicity.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225edb30157db446558cf8230248e759cb\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I think those comments were made some 7 or 8 years ago. The Prime Minister understands that Mr English has changed his views on all of those matters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224ed204361072482a8e6e6c6e2020b3c3\u0022\u003EState-owned Assets, Sales\u2014Fiscal and Economic Benefits\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022 data-id=\u002296ddfb3f5e5e430f9d1370cff4cf87e2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002296ddfb3f5e5e430f9d1370cff4cf87e2\u0022\u003EMAGGIE BARRY (National\u2014North Shore)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What are the fiscal and economic benefits of selling minority shareholdings in four State-owned energy companies and Air New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u0022110acb156e664cd1987e02f2fd6b2f13\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022110acb156e664cd1987e02f2fd6b2f13\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E The rationale is quite simple. The sale of Government shares would free up $5 billion to $7 billion, less than 3 percent of taxpayers\u2019 total assets of $245 billion, to invest in priority assets like modern schools and hospitals, without having to borrow more money on volatile world markets from overseas lenders. The Government is still spending and borrowing more than it can afford, so it makes sense to reorganise the Government\u2019s assets and redeploy capital to higher-priority areas so that we do not have to borrow more. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0ec37fa29214bfc8d5df27738026e9d\u0022\u003EMaggie Barry\u003C/span\u003E: What other benefits will the Government\u2019s mixed-ownership programme deliver?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229abc44fce18440cfb6e6d47879101dc4\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Under the mixed-ownership programme New Zealanders would have an opportunity to diversify their increasing savings away from property and from bank deposits, which are growing quite rapidly at the moment, and also the public listing of these companies will increase scrutiny of their decisions, and encourage better business disciplines, as well as deepening capital markets.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002274145e25b5ad4ebaa320503e70157d19\u0022\u003EMaggie Barry\u003C/span\u003E: What have recent profit and dividend payments been from the four State-owned energy companies?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225685f1c9f67c4663a2143f964abd7eac\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Over the 6 years to 2011, ordinary dividends\u2014that is, dividends that exclude one-off sales of Government assets by these companies\u2014have totalled $356 million. That is a 2.4 percent annual return to the taxpayer, on the most recent commercial valuations of these companies. The Crown Ownership Monitoring Unit advises that the average cost of Crown borrowing over the last year is 4.5 percent; that is, these companies are returning ordinary dividends of 2.4 percent per annum. The average cost of Crown borrowing is 4.5 percent. Estimates of 18.5 percent returns are quite misleading because they include major revaluations and changes in accounting methodology, and also one-off large asset sales by these Government companies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225716ed897e20463a9f23c39434e94fab\u0022\u003EMaggie Barry\u003C/span\u003E: Under the mixed-ownership programme, what do comparisons of forecast loss of profits with expected savings on interest costs tell us?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a253c9e358264dd69823083fbc8a134f\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: On its own, comparing lost profits with reduced interest payments tells us nothing. As any owner of an asset will tell you, it is not just what you forgo in profits that matters; it is the price received up front in the sale. If investors believed there would be strong profits from these companies, then that would be reflected in a higher sale price. If they believe the profits will be weaker, that will be reflected in a lower sale price. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229c3d5442d8444ea784d20254ff862a09\u0022\u003EAccident Compensation Corporation\u2014Release of Personal Information\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u00225aaff3342e134773a0ac94673231a2c2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225aaff3342e134773a0ac94673231a2c2\u0022\u003EANDREW LITTLE (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for ACC: When was the email she received between 12 March 2012 and 18 March 2012 from Michelle Boag concerning Bronwyn Pullar and the involvement of both in a meeting over a mass privacy breach first printed by her or a staff member in her office?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u002204130bc1dfd84b0dabd09a8d9717d388\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002204130bc1dfd84b0dabd09a8d9717d388\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister for ACC):\u003C/span\u003E Since this matter is before the Privacy Commissioner, it is not in the public interest for me to answer that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f45395d95e20498ea7324248a3c88196\u0022\u003EAndrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: Does she stand by her statement in an interview on Radio Live this morning, commencing at 8.22 a.m., that \u201CI know exactly what has happened in terms of my office and myself.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022539683a4879345f1ae562ea1466c2295\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: I stand by all my statements. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229070648f2a704d009c7f77038564e612\u0022\u003EAndrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: In whose custody and control was the copy or copies of the email that was made in her office placed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ec72245969242f883b6acf59b9263af\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: That matter is before the Privacy Commissioner, and it is not in the public interest for me to answer that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022770218d17b9e43d0b45f1c4dabf17f21\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I want to hear Andrew Little\u2019s question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002266ff342bf42c4a9da0445eaa98d43e03\u0022\u003EAndrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: What instructions did she give to any staff in her office, or any ACC staff member, in relation to the Michelle Boag email or any copy of it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d929645cbcf14c249a8a6e3e8ee5612f\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Since that matter is before the Privacy Commissioner, it is not in the public interest for me to answer that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f53d268945aa4ab1983680b1bc9155fb\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The Minister has been in the media discussing this issue, and now she is using a public interest defence in the House. How can you accept that she can use a public interest defence here, when she is in the media discussing this issue?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226dccf4ab601a4b979d4f4f989b6099de\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: As I have said to the House before, it is not the Speaker\u2019s decision whether or not a matter is in the public interest. As Speaker I would certainly intervene were I to see that such a claim was outrageous. But on this occasion the Minister has indicated that the matter is being inquired into by an independent authority\u2014the Privacy Commissioner\u2014and it is not uncommon for Ministers to declare, in their answer to such questions on matters that are being examined by an independent authority, that it is not in the public interest to answer them. So, in my view, it is not outrageous for the Minister to be making that claim. It seems reasonable, given the fact that an independent authority is conducting an investigation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a48cbc6026774a06bbd84afa25a279ba\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Can I ask you to reflect upon an earlier series of difficult questions for a Government, which were questions by the then Hon\u2014still honourable\u2014Lockwood Smith in respect of Taito Philip Field. There were inquiries in respect of Taito Philip Field that were under way, and yet the Government was still required to answer questions in respect of its conduct where Ministers had ministerial responsibility. I suggest to you that that shows that we cannot have Ministers just avoiding answering questions by claiming public interest when, patently, it is a matter of ministerial responsibility.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d2f5a967dfef457aa51e69799977b24d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I would be very happy to look back over that Hansard. If I could refresh the member\u2019s memory somewhat, the bulk of those questions all occurred after the publication of the Ingram report, if I remember correctly. Questions prior to that time were usually met with an answer that there was an inquiry under way. I think it is pretty standard practice. What I would, I think, make clear to the House, because this\u2014[Interruption] Order! I am on my feet. This is a serious issue. Were the inquiry to be an internal inquiry by the Government, I think that would be a different matter. That would be a different matter, but where we have an independent authority conducting an inquiry or an investigation, that can be compromised by the matter being questioned in this House. I think that is not in our interests. I make that distinction. Were it to be simply an internal Government inquiry, I think the matter would be different, but this is an independent authority.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1030dfb96054d6c87a997afb24c0bf2\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. This is an inquiry being conducted by the Privacy Commissioner. It is not a commission of inquiry; it is not a judicial inquiry. The Minister has raised no issues of there being a sub judice rule preventing her from answering a question. It is not a matter of law; it is a matter of evidence. \u201CWhen was that email reproduced?\u201D is what she is being asked, and to get up and fob the House off by saying it is not in the public interest is a decision that you have got to make, not her. She is the Minister; she is being held accountable. Whether it is a matter of public interest or not is over to you to make, and my submission is that I would like to hear from her why she thinks\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224469c2e3cb8b4ab7bc9ca4d4747d0b92\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, no\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227390f979cb554bac81c3b4952e597c5a\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014based on the law or Speakers\u2019 rulings\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225ee28cd47e7c4fe0b86783f6ad9fd694\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, the member has gone far enough now. The member has been here long enough to know the Speaker does not, according to the traditions of this House, decide whether matters are in the public interest or not. That is a decision of Ministers, and the member knows that full well. As I have said before, I would be prepared to depart from the tradition if I were to see a situation that was clearly outrageous. However, the Privacy Commissioner has very significant powers of inquiry, and it is an independent authority set up by statute. The Privacy Commissioner operates under statute. It is therefore, I think, not unreasonable for a Minister to claim that it is not in the public interest, given that an inquiry by such an independent authority is under way, to answer detailed questions on the matter. That is my ruling on the matter. If the member wants a ruling from the Speaker, that is my ruling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c2c53dcce8ce46be88fced1137d3e056\u0022\u003EHon Clayton Cosgrove\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Can I seek a clarification? You mentioned that if you saw an instance of\u2014I think the word you used was \u201Coutrageous\u201D, or \u201Coutrageous conduct\u201D. Can I just ask you this: in terms of definition, are you saying that if a Minister was to wax eloquent in the media about an issue and then come into this House and claim public interest to shut it down, you would look at that issue? I just seek your clarification.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb749dfeb64c49e6b4c934eeac261845\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no. By way of clarification, what I want to make clear is that it is where a Minister claims that it is not in the public interest to answer a question, and clearly the claim has no merit at all that it is not in the public interest. I mean, here we have an inquiry being conducted by a statutory authority, and it is not unreasonable, in my view, for a Minister to claim it is not in the public interest to answer detailed questions, just as a Minister not long ago asserted in the House here, quite reasonably, it was not in the public interest to answer detailed questions about the Pike River tragedy while that was under investigation. But I will be watching the issue quite carefully. I will be taking advice on the matter, because it has cropped up in recent days more than once. I accept the concern of Opposition members that it is unacceptable for Ministers to use the claim that it is not in the public interest unless it is genuinely not in the public interest. But on this occasion I believe that it is a reasonable claim for the Minister to make that that is not in the public interest, given the independent authority is conducting the inquiry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ec81cd00d0244aca7d3a683a091205c\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Did she make the comments on Radio Live this morning that the member mentioned in an earlier supplementary question after the inquiry of the Privacy Commissioner was announced, and if so, why are those comments able to be made, and ones in the House not able to be made because of the public interest?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226df7b54e68a149b1bbb21c26d7997290\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Because they are quite different, and also the Privacy Commissioner has emailed me today and advised me of the extent of her inquiry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002240b301bc0dc84b048c0ed23cf3c63167\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister whether, in fact, she has that with her. I have an email\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022587e446b4c50411aa71f16fb72511f35\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will resume his seat immediately. That was totally outside the Standing Orders of the House. It was not a point of order, at all. I do not know what rush of blood caused that, and there will be no repeat of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c0b57a7c4b424ab6884c9e3777fe0827\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3022f04ba0f42f4904d9308615adacb\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c3aca2423aa54c0196d43a4b0b730bbc\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order to the Hon Trevor Mallard. Since I have admonished him, I will consider his point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7ea4ec407ba419587139bfb76c52a1d\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table an email to Judith Collins and me from the Privacy Commissioner this morning.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bde38de058a044b2a3cfa8e5fc05742c\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is no objection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022477e79cdb20341c19d0d01637a147620\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. If we accept that the Privacy Commissioner\u2019s announcement of the investigation was yesterday\u2014and the tabling was to establish that\u2014and then the Minister went on radio and talked about exactly this issue, she cannot come into the House and claim a public interest defence. I believe that you should label that outrageous. I think that does step over the boundary of \u201Coutrageous\u201D\u2014where the Minister spoke about this issue on radio this morning, after the announcement of the inquiry, and then claims public interest. How can it be that to speak about this topic on radio is in the public interest, but not to speak about it in this House?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002272cfdaffbbd34387b619b1adbafb5035\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: To me the difference that we have seen in the House today was that there was a question relating to the Minister\u2019s comments on the radio this morning. The Minister answered that question. It was other matters that the Minister has asserted as not being in the public interest to answer. But I recollect a question from Andrew Little about whether the Minister stood by her comments on a radio programme this morning, and the Minister answered that question. So I have not seen anything outrageous so far, and I assure members that I will watch this issue carefully, because I accept the concern that it is not acceptable for a Minister to assert that it is not in the public interest to answer just to avoid being held to account. That would not be acceptable. Speakers have to be careful, because they are normally guided by Ministers on their judgment, but I am prepared, as Speaker, if I see something that is to me outrageous in that regard, to overrule the Minister if I see that to be the case.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ecaf462ac0ee47388fb23b30c20a38b4\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: What is it about the date of the reprint of the email referred to in the primary question that is not in the public interest, and yet her comments to the public via the media are apparently in the public interest?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d810b32ec50847779ddc3a75df251e24\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: That matter goes to the heart of the Privacy Commissioner\u2019s inquiry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a2fd1304b06941eabefb8643bd29edf4\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. What goes to the heart of the Privacy Commissioner\u2019s inquiry? I asked her a question about why she is giving that answer\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226422c6e5c05b43e2803e9e1b07044f67\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Indeed, the member asked his question. He is just trying to ask it again by way of a point of order. The Minister answered it. I accept that the member is not particularly satisfied with the answer, but that is the answer and the member cannot ask his question again by way of a point of order. I will hear the member further on the matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eab407f20f934fca85e9457eaf73bd71\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I am not asking my question again, at all. But surely the answer \u201Cthat goes to the heart of the inquiry\u201D begs the conclusion that there has to be more than that, because I am asking about the issue of public interest and she has not answered that at all. Maybe the Privacy Commissioner is; I do not know that. But I did not ask her what is going to the heart of the Privacy Commissioner\u2019s inquiry; I am asking her what is different about these two different occasions\u2014in this House, and this morning on radio.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a010015528274a21ab0757d066e0675c\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: I might be able to assist. The member asked for my opinion. I have given it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b01ef15345c4da1a821f607516a6411\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: That is outrageous.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dfdaf7048c1346e5acd0a4757b5258b4\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The House will come to order. It is not outrageous. The Minister raises a fair point that she was asked what the difference was, which is seeking her opinion on a matter. She gave her opinion, and that is an answer to that question. There is nothing I can do about that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b65db8d3eef4de998a8a408f3bdb0be\u0022\u003EAndrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: What inquiries has she made about how the email, or a copy of it, made it into the hands of the media, including social media?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4104ef2e5714754a52f45eb73312356\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: That matter is a matter for the Privacy Commissioner, and it goes to the heart of the inquiry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db970c4c3e7440c289e0a3a7b4a6c036\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E:I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. That was a question about\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa05cb0c6d13427bab52f8be8b5ec04d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I want to hear this point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002232ab30b1fc624e5aa6565de6c6b16068\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: That was a question about what inquiries she had made. It was not about what the Privacy Commissioner was up to; it was about her responsibility as a Minister. It was about what inquiries she had made. I would also draw your attention to Speaker\u2019s ruling 173/1, which says that a Minister must answer a question \u201C \u2018if it can be given consistently with public interest\u2019.\u201D That was Speaker Wilson\u2019s ruling. If an answer can be given consistent with the public interest, the Minister must give it. This was about her inquiry. She has a responsibility for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226cf42b08748541deb129ff7fedff4f9b\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: What I will do, because I want to make sure that everyone has a fair opportunity to pursue a serious matter like this, is let the member repeat his question, so that everyone can hear exactly what he is asking.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022533fbb39dda74441a43eee0b157102aa\u0022\u003EAndrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: What inquiries has she made about how the email, or a copy of it, made it into the hands of the media, including social media?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c6f038451314507bf7e5d8b78d91ba4\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Since the Privacy Commissioner is looking into how this email document ended up in the media, I think this goes to the heart of the Privacy Commissioner\u2019s inquiry, and I do not believe it is in the public interest for me to answer that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228cfd7ed1c9a54e7ab6e7991531dd6879\u0022\u003EAndrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The question was about the actions of the Minister and the inquiries she made. The responsibility of the Privacy Commissioner is whether or not a complaining individual\u2019s privacy was breached. It has nothing to do with the actions that this Minister has taken with a publicly acknowledged action she has taken in copying this email.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab5d1760cb5b4e78b6bc90486e4569af\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Clearly, the Privacy Commissioner\u2019s investigation will investigate the actions of the Minister. I have to be careful; I am presuming. But it would be extraordinary if the investigation by the Privacy Commissioner did not investigate the actions of the Minister, and therefore, again, it is not unreasonable for the Minister to claim that to talk about her actions while that investigation is under way is not in the public interest. Again, I am concerned that I do not want to see this argument of it not being in the public interest used to block this House\u2019s ability to hold members of the executive to account. But, at the same time, I think that where we do have an independent inquiry by a statutory authority, I do have to respect that assertion of it not being in the public interest to comment while that inquiry is under way. Once that report is out, members will have a lot of opportunity to ask questions, and questions can be just as effective. One of the member\u2019s colleagues referred to the Ingram report. Most of the questioning happened after that report came out. It was pretty effective.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4422366fc42469a8c9451b55d99ad8e\u0022\u003ECharles Chauvel\u003C/span\u003E: To which Minister does the Privacy Commissioner report, and to whom is she accountable; and how can this Minister possibly expect the House to believe or accept that the Privacy Commissioner can conduct an independent inquiry into her own Minister\u2019s actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022028e48174aec4671be3c32abf70b1ef1\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: The Privacy Commissioner reports and is responsible to the Minister of Justice. She has independence under the Privacy Act. I say that it is an extraordinary statement and comment by that member that the Privacy Commissioner cannot be independent. I have to say that is one of the most extraordinary statements, and I suggest he might want to apologise to the commissioner.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002299e829176e184db39f6331f0f331f078\u0022\u003EOil and Gas Extraction\u2014Hydraulic Fracturing\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022 data-id=\u00227c03f93e28064d318fd6af9d93a34081\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227c03f93e28064d318fd6af9d93a34081\u0022\u003EGARETH HUGHES (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Energy and Resources: Will he implement a nationwide moratorium on new fracking wells until the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment can assure the public it is safe?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022 data-id=\u00222e109e16e32e4f79aa06cf082f43e7be\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222e109e16e32e4f79aa06cf082f43e7be\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY (Minister of Energy and Resources):\u003C/span\u003E No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022316fe5d358e1438a8943957c0a9005df\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: Would it not make sense to wait for the results of the investigation before allowing new fracking wells to go ahead, given the Minister has said in the media that the investigation \u201Cwill answer some questions that have been unanswered,\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022acde4b71b6c542adbbf9ad6a31d38b54\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: It did not make sense to stop using 1080 when the commissioner was looking into the use of 1080. Subsequently, the commissioner found that the use of 1080 was probably sensible. In the same way, it is a bit silly to stop everything just because the Greens want to stop everything. Inquiries are going on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022254613e322624db5ba15d00cecc82e65\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: Why will the Minister not wait for the questions to be answered when the East Coast, Hawke\u2019s Bay, and Horizons regions will be considering their first fracking wells in those regions shortly?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273fc413845c74f31978859f759786d05\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Hydraulic fracturing has been used in New Zealand for well over two decades and appears to have been well managed. That is what I have been advised. We did not stop the use of 1080 when the commissioner was looking at that, so I think the member is getting ahead of himself, in my view, by asking for a moratorium on hydraulic fracturing, which has been going on for a long time as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287f5735096724381a091b9064b6d4dd6\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: Given that the Gisborne District Council has admitted it does not have the expertise to regulate fracking, and TAG Oil is pursuing what it itself describes as an aggressive programme there, why will he not implement a nationwide moratorium on new fracking wells until the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment can assure Kiwis it is safe?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022475da9e8d4c44092995f2b7be42a6d2d\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Because hydraulic fracturing has been undertaken for well over two decades in Taranaki, successfully, on the face of it, all the information that is put towards me and the expertise in Taranaki from both industry and the regulators, such as the Taranaki Regional Council, and from my officials can certainly be transferred to Gisborne, should that be necessary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a6b29eb0b724c57ab65fa6cc76f4e2a\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: Is the fracking issue different from the 1080 issue, and was there a cusp of a massive expansion of 1080 use at the time of the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment\u2019s report into that? Given that we have seen a 170 percent increase in new fracking wells in just the last year alone in New Zealand compared with the last 18 years, and that this Government has permitted 4 million hectares of New Zealand land to be used for fracking, why will he not wait until the results are in?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce7dfbbdb9234e349f8771d33ad9e20d\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Hydraulic fracturing is different from the use of 1080. I hope the House understands that. But also hydraulic fracturing\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281b2a90f397b4727abbea742bc69046a\u0022\u003EHon Clayton Cosgrove\u003C/span\u003E: The man\u2019s a genius!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eaba04ed827841578d4f9aa6a0bc734b\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I could explain the difference, and actually I am happy to give the member a briefing on the difference between the use of 1080 and hydraulic fracturing, should he approach my staff.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022650dae2f2aee4f28bc60008d5a8c4c37\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I know I cannot raise a point of order in respect of flippant answers. But the question was not: \u201CWhat is the difference between fracking and 1080?\u201D. It was about the situations at the points in time when the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment was investigating both controversial topics.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291c5238aab084705bdf49ec1d75e1c68\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I invite the member to repeat his question, because the answer did get a fair way away from the member\u2019s question. I invite him to repeat his question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213cef592e00348578a7bdc601f3a3fa8\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: Is there a difference between the situation where the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment investigated the use of 1080, and were we then on the cusp of a massive expansion in the use of 1080? Given that with fracking we have seen a 170 increase in new wells in the last year, and that this Government has permitted 4 million hectares of new Kiwi land to be used for fracking, will he wait until the results are in on the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment\u2019s investigation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f4142337b8c4c2ebe6062df7783259c\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: I have made it clear why we are not going to have a moratorium on hydraulic fracturing while the commissioner investigates this. We will be very interested in her findings and certainly we will take them into account. I draw the comparison between the use of 1080 and hydraulic fracturing in the sense that both are claimed to have significant environmental effects. Both might have significant use. But it would be fair to say that although 1080 use was not on the cusp of significant use throughout New Zealand, it is in fact used very, very widely in New Zealand, and it is hard to see how you could actually increase its use. I accept that the comparison is not exactly apples with apples, but I think I have made my point. We cannot stop everything just because an investigation is in place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223144bc48ef0d4493936fa84a34ac643f\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: Given that we have seen well blowouts, water contamination, and consents being breached right now in Taranaki, is it not prudent to wait until the results are in so we can answer those questions and make sure we have got regulations and practices to protect our water, to protect our communities, and to protect our health?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224af7710821b7468fae9b844164e4de2d\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Unfortunately, whenever the member has put these claims to the media, to my officials, or even to an independent body such as the Taranaki Regional Council, they have come back with substantial science to say that it is not, in fact, the case. In terms of water contamination, the independent body, Taranaki Regional Council, went to Hill Laboratories, which is independent too, did water testing, and found no effects on water quality. This is the point of the commissioner\u2019s inquiry, and that is why I welcome it. She will be able to determine the difference between fact and science, and fiction and the Green Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b14c465bb2b1453a8ac775676df81ff6\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table the Shell Todd Oil Kapuni study from 2007, jointly published by the Taranaki Regional Council and Shell Todd Oil, which showed water contamination from the Kapuni wells.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002204f61da16e7a42329f0e4e3ec025201c\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is no objection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd5fc529278449aabca1382d9683608c\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table the Cheal Petroleum report from 2011, also jointly published with the Taranaki Regional Council, which showed water contamination from those wells as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a65152f3a0c409eb3e62bf087401968\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is no objection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022606ababdbab64385b4eb0bc78c3e8c67\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: Given that the hydrocarbons are not going anywhere, what is the rush to frack them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b27cabb8ffca4596af18680a5f6358e8\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: The member may not have walked along Lambton Quay this morning, but actually there are cars and trucks there and all over the world that are using oil and gas reserves. I believe that the member has used such transport facilities. The reality is there is a world demand for oil and gas. If we can access that oil and gas in New Zealand, sell it, get the royalties and the tax income, build better schools and hospitals, and create jobs, I think we should.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002246cbb7d07e1f43bda62561f0fa0851ef\u0022\u003EBenefits and Superannuation\u20142012 Annual General Adjustment\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u0022fd9137ee859244c2824b8359b05afd92\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fd9137ee859244c2824b8359b05afd92\u0022\u003EALFRED NGARO (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Social Development: How will this year\u2019s annual general adjustment provide greater certainty to those receiving benefits and New Zealand Superannuation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u00223af521f3cfe2462bb09ee9aaf3d48937\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223af521f3cfe2462bb09ee9aaf3d48937\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development):\u003C/span\u003E This will give greater certainty to more than 1 million New Zealanders who will benefit from this year\u2019s annual general adjustment rate increases on 1 April. This adjustment increases rates of New Zealand superannuation and the veterans pension; rates and thresholds for main benefits, student allowances, student loan living costs, and the foster care allowance; rates and thresholds for some supplementary assistance; and thresholds for the community services card. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c20442a385048c1b603f082f7fb0ea7\u0022\u003EAlfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: What effect will this adjustment have on the amount paid to superannuitants?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229fa0667c3019464d89eb195aae052fce\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: From 1 April the married rate of New Zealand superannuation after tax will increase by 2.65 percent, from just over $1,045 per couple per fortnight to $1,073.60. That is an increase of $27.68 per fortnight. It will also mean that over the last 4 years since 1 April 2008 the married rate will have increased by $194 per couple per fortnight. That is an increase of over 22 percent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be14f43a91b24bd5b8636a8fed6f16eb\u0022\u003EAlfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: How does this adjustment support those receiving benefits and student allowances?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f2bf0b0cb154111899fa089bf1dbb86\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: As part of our 2008 campaign commitments, National locked in this adjustment into legislation, ensuring it happens every year to give certainty to those who rely on benefits. This means that payments match the increases to that of inflation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229febbce8299b4d6dad201f78e9989d35\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6 to Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u002237e9f6988ddb4cf683f60ed7feca844c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002237e9f6988ddb4cf683f60ed7feca844c\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave for this question to be held over till next Tuesday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9b9faf1ae8144728918a6ca00710c92\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is objection. Does the member wish to ask his question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022add8a5793389483593b2caa5f8bfb300\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226278e86c28dc4b4493d51e8ba88682b9\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: He does not. OK.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d511f9ee505f498abbdd6ae272226b9d\u0022\u003ERt Hon John Key\u2014Recording of Private Conversation\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022 data-id=\u002291ea78cb7cae4567beebdb49f02e7510\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002291ea78cb7cae4567beebdb49f02e7510\u0022\u003ECHARLES CHAUVEL (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Police: Did the Police Commissioner or any of his staff inform the Prime Minister or any of his staff of the decision not to prosecute Mr Bradley Ambrose; if so, on what date?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022117b8173692c489c972d1377d0503d93\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022117b8173692c489c972d1377d0503d93\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Police):\u003C/span\u003E Yes; I am advised that police contacted John Key on Monday 26 March to advise him, as the complainant in the case, of their decision.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281e38f4879ad494fb62a1c6b663dde1c\u0022\u003ECharles Chauvel\u003C/span\u003E: Were the police aware that John Key would be overseas on Tuesday 27 March, the date on which they publicly announced the decision not to prosecute Mr Ambrose?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296b93fdbb2e043d887e819301326d036\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: I was not involved in that conversation. It is an operational matter, and as policing Minister I have no knowledge of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b1f2d58bd2c644a8b97853a018d5e43a\u0022\u003ECharles Chauvel\u003C/span\u003E: Can she assure the House that there is no relationship between the delay in making the decision not to prosecute Mr Bradley Ambrose and the public announcement of that decision on the one hand, and the fact on the other that the complainant is the Prime Minister, and that he would be overseas on the date of the announcement?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222edc7233aef14820b8c43cdd4230090e\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: The police, who are operationally independent under section 16 of the Policing Act, deal with operational matters on a case by case basis, and exercise their discretion as appropriate. It is absolutely inappropriate for any Minister of Police to take any part in an operational matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022229f98e36df54e5a9182e9a0f526327f\u0022\u003ECharles Chauvel\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I want to be very clear with the Minister that I was asking a question about the connection between a decision not to prosecute, which I accept is an operational matter that is not within her competence, and the public relations matters that were associated with that decision, for which she is responsible to this House. She has not dealt with that issue, at all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222da8c31f768945f69d0220c8ad102858\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, no, the Minister, if I heard her correctly, said that the Minister\u2019s office is not involved in the decision as to when they make announcements, at all. She made very clear to the House that her office had no involvement in that whatsoever. I have got to take her word for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258c14631453449d48ae0eb26e7addb89\u0022\u003ECharles Chauvel\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227187f10c166943d3a1f3d83ae54fae39\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is this speaking to the point of order?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eda77098672e4eca87ee685ad66bb213\u0022\u003ECharles Chauvel\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. My primary question should have put the Minister on notice that I was interested in knowing about the communication decisions that were made about the decision not to prosecute Mr Ambrose and liaison with the complainant about that matter. So, as I say, I am not asking her about the operational prosecution decision; I am asking her about the public relations and the communication with the Prime Minister, for which she is responsible.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f47a4293d7c4a8e91868396af44ec72\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The Minister has made it clear, unless she wishes to change her answer, that she had no part in that communication decision, at all. That is what I understood the Minister said, and I have got to take the Minister\u2019s word. She answered the question. She said she had no part to play in that whatsoever.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f632b7c287f64f858c313afc0af557bb\u0022\u003ECharles Chauvel\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I sought an assurance from her that there was no relationship between the communication decision, on the one hand, and the absence of the Prime Minister overseas. I submit\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b766454ff89c468fb89e140675df54bb\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s question has been answered. He has got more supplementary questions he can use to pursue the matter further, should he want. But in terms of that question he asked, the Minister, I thought, was very clear in answering it. She said that her office had no involvement in the public relations decision, if that is what the member wants to call it\u2014the communication management of the decision made. That is a clear answer and I have got to take her word for that, as the House does. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4d2b71093394bffb4cf6af1bd538d67\u0022\u003EKris Faafoi\u003C/span\u003E: Given that charges were not laid, does she agree with the Prime Minister\u2019s comment that Mr Ambrose\u2019s actions have been \u201Cdeemed unlawful\u201D, and if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225cb267ffae2d41de8bbd072ccc623aa7\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Firstly, I have no responsibility for the Prime Minister. Secondly, I always agree with the Prime Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d701f7a1244048539424eff366b61b29\u0022\u003EKris Faafoi\u003C/span\u003E: Given that the Prime Minister said, in November last year, that police \u201Cdo have a little bit of spare time\u201D to investigate the teapot tape, how much did this investigation\u2014done in police spare time\u2014cost the taxpayer?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228302b06caab542c9a512c5307980e35e\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: I understand that that question was asked of the police at the Law and Order Committee and they said they were unable to put a cost on the investigation. However, anyone in this country has a right to make a complaint. The police deal with operational matters, and Ministers do not get involved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c3f96ca549e04a619740f8315dd5fcc0\u0022\u003EElectricity\u2014Generation from Renewable Sources\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022 data-id=\u0022c25f26a7e2404f2fa5b0835d8a641b91\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c25f26a7e2404f2fa5b0835d8a641b91\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG (National\u2014New Plymouth)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Energy and Resources: What progress has the Government made towards increasing the proportion of electricity generated from renewable energy sources in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022 data-id=\u002247bf4be697c2458a8a33fa4377f72d68\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002247bf4be697c2458a8a33fa4377f72d68\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY (Minister of Energy and Resources):\u003C/span\u003E I am pleased to advise that electricity generated from renewable energy sources increased to 77 percent in 2011, up from 74 percent in 2010. The National-led Government is focused on ensuring that renewable electricity generation thrives in New Zealand, and I am pleased to see us well on our way towards achieving our goal of 90 percent renewable generation by 2025. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c621633536a42dd9e481b4bd9c34d73\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: What environmental benefits come from increased renewable electricity generation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228ad6a094cae440889a393e50e9693b35\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: The Government is aiming for 90 percent of electricity generation to be from renewable energy sources by 2025, and there are significant environmental benefits from increased levels of renewable generation. These include a reduction in reliance on thermal electricity generation sources and a reduction in electricity generation emissions, leading to a reduced environmental footprint. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022664613d1f5db457a979b3ab6e16d039e\u0022\u003ERetail Deposit Guarantee Scheme\u2014Treasury Monitoring of Deposits\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u00223165fb3fcbdd4d6f8a951cbc18b6b406\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223165fb3fcbdd4d6f8a951cbc18b6b406\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What written reports did he receive from the Treasury during the 5 months after his appointment as Minister of Finance in late 2008 describing the increases in deposits in finance companies after they entered the Crown guarantee scheme, as referred to in paragraphs 6.2 and 6.5 of the Auditor-General\u2019s performance audit report on the Treasury\u2019s handling of the Crown Retail Deposit Scheme, and what did those reports tell him, if anything, about how much the Crown\u2019s exposure to those financial companies had increased?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u0022b91458ec9d834e258d6e7618026531c0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b91458ec9d834e258d6e7618026531c0\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Before I address the details of that question, I just want to remind the member that the point of the deposit guarantee scheme, which was set up by the previous Government in 2008, was to protect depositors in extraordinary financial times, and administration of the scheme was delegated to the Secretary to the Treasury. The risk that finance company deposits would increase was recognised by the previous Government when it set up the scheme. Indeed, allowing the institutions to continue lending was one of the scheme\u2019s main aims. In terms of the member\u2019s question, I received no written Treasury reports specifically about the increase in deposits, although I discussed the management of risks associated with the scheme regularly and intensively with Treasury. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea3f37a795584feba989a09e92f3d33c\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: In the light of the fact that he received no reports during that period to that effect, is he aware that the Auditor-General\u2019s report says: \u201CIt took 5 months for the Treasury to begin monitoring\u201D, and that South Canterbury Finance\u2019s deposit base increased by 25 percent in the first 4 months, and it increased its loans, including many new loans capitalising interest\u2014in other words, Ponzi schemes\u2014and second mortgages, all of which increased the risk profile under the guarantee?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225dced0a16de445c7afefaec46d43bd6d\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I did not say I received no reports; I said I had received no written reports, but the matters were discussed extensively. As the Auditor-General has already pointed out, in the early stages of the scheme Treasury did not have immediately in place the kinds of arrangements you would expect for the management of such a large liability. But can I also remind the member that in early 2009, now 3 years ago, South Canterbury Finance was regarded as a large, strong, sound finance company, but in hindsight it now appears that its bad lending practices meant that, regardless of the guarantee, it was going to fail because of the impact of the global financial crisis.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc6340c5bfc14920808d99103fbbe11d\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: Has he heard that Treasury\u2019s main excuse for not monitoring finance companies or advising the Minister\u2014and I am not blaming the Minister here\u2014as advised by the Auditor-General to the Finance and Expenditure Committee yesterday, was that Treasury does not like to intervene in finance markets; and does he agree with the Auditor-General that that does not withstand scrutiny, because the Crown had already intervened through the grant of the guarantee, and should have been guarding against that risk growing unwisely?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ae4b1be27294437b3b1a589cc9e54c0\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I have heard that, but we need to bear in mind that the deposit guarantee scheme as set up by the previous Government was correctly focused on protecting the depositors. It was not intended as a means of running the companies. As I said to the member earlier, South Canterbury Finance was regarded as a big, strong successful, soundly run finance company. It actually took most of 2009 for anyone to get enough information about its activities to understand that it was likely to struggle to survive, and matters went on for another 6 or 8 months, with every effort being made to protect the taxpayer by supporting South Canterbury to trade through. As it happened, it could not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abf86e775a6b48a389707827e46d77db\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: Will he support Treasury appearing before the Finance and Expenditure Committee to answer questions about the Auditor-General\u2019s criticism of Treasury\u2019s monitoring and its failures to advise you as Minister, which may have caused $100 million or more extra and avoidable cost to taxpayers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002234494c8b64604d3fad321206c3a729df\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: That is a matter for the select committee. It is not within the Minister\u2019s purview. However, I would ask the member to consider this issue: that although some people say there should have been more intervention, no one has actually said what that intervention should have been, short of becoming deemed directors of the company and, therefore, essentially taking over the running of it, and that, as I understand it, was never the intention even of the previous Labour Government when it set up the guarantee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235615733649148cf84ca51001a7ba5b4\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. My question was not whether he believed that the Finance and Expenditure Committee should have Treasury in front of it. That is for the Finance and Expenditure Committee. My question was whether he would support Treasury appearing in front of the Finance and Expenditure Committee to answer the Auditor-General\u2019s criticisms. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e93ef34cecd54a55a85358e2f3e4b3bb\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That was, indeed, the question. It would be helpful if the Minister were to answer that, because that was the absolute thrust of the question\u2014whether the Minister would support Treasury appearing in front of the select committee. The Minister made it clear he thought it was the select committee\u2019s responsibility, but the question asked for an opinion\u2014whether the Minister would support it\u2014and some attempt to answer that would be helpful. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227591eba0e00245228d5753bf6b5b492f\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I do not take a view about that. It is hypothetical. The committee will make up its own mind whether it wants to get Treasury in. All public agencies know they are open to parliamentary scrutiny. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022773bbb94224142f0b2ac0f4252761689\u0022\u003EAccident Compensation Corporation\u2014Release of Personal Information\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281e8ca24-8b1d-4558-9ef9-c9418df2b3c0\u0022 data-id=\u002203bdf447433e42bf957b3620d1142e3f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281e8ca24-8b1d-4558-9ef9-c9418df2b3c0\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002203bdf447433e42bf957b3620d1142e3f\u0022\u003EKEVIN HAGUE (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for ACC: What advice has she received about when ACC Board Chairman John Judge first became aware of the issues that were the subject of the December meeting between senior ACC managers, Bronwyn Pullar and Michelle Boag; and if she hasn\u2019t asked for that advice, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u0022b3aae9de95264748bbd405be7605e2d4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b3aae9de95264748bbd405be7605e2d4\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister for ACC):\u003C/span\u003E That particular meeting that the member is referring to is, I know, the subject of a matter that ACC has referred to the New Zealand Police. However, I can refer the member to the written report from ACC for me that was placed on its website on 16 March this year, and I can read from that. It says: \u201CThe client who received the file contacted an ACC Board member to discuss matters pertaining to her specific case. No specific reference was made to the data held or the breach of privacy. As is normal practice the Director referred the matter to the Chairman, who in turn referred the matter to senior ACC management, who confirmed the matter would be dealt with at an operational level.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281e8ca24-8b1d-4558-9ef9-c9418df2b3c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022190cd10632ba4493b2f1bb8dbbc8bed2\u0022\u003EKevin Hague\u003C/span\u003E: Has she been briefed on all the correspondence between Ms Pullar and John Judge prior to that December meeting, and what was she told? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239e0105318b94f50970c05eacb7c40e2\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I do not know whether I have been, because I do not know what all the correspondence is. I have received some correspondence, which is the ministerial file, which is held in the Minister for ACC\u2019s office. There may well be other correspondence that I have not seen, and therefore have not been briefed on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281e8ca24-8b1d-4558-9ef9-c9418df2b3c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c78bc031b3a454fbe401273615d59c1\u0022\u003EKevin Hague\u003C/span\u003E: Does she believe that two senior managers from ACC met with Ms Pullar and Ms Boag on 1 December at a meeting arranged by an ACC board member with the knowledge of the ACC board chair, during which they learnt of serious concerns about ACC processes and risk to the organisation, yet apparently did not then report those concerns to either the chief executive officer or the board chair? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022845c582add1e4df0b7b6b8c1dd0df490\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: What happened in that meeting is, as I have said, forming part of a matter that ACC has referred to the New Zealand Police. But I do know that it related as well to a massive breach of privacy, and I would also like to take the opportunity to congratulate that member, when those same documents were sent to him, on referring them straight back to ACC. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281e8ca24-8b1d-4558-9ef9-c9418df2b3c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0c697c32ba64733aa71ba86a3477e94\u0022\u003EKevin Hague\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I know a bit about what the content of that meeting was, but that was not my question. My question is about whether, given what we know about the meeting, how it was set up, and the level of the risk to ACC that was exposed in that meeting, the Minister believes the account that those senior managers reported that to no one. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022896f63e4b7424d4faafb9462d5d88e40\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The Minister has been asked for an opinion on that matter, and it would be helpful if the Minister was able to express an opinion without compromising any\u2014I call the Hon Judith Collins. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200333ecc70854ad4bd1accaa561138c8\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: If I am told a matter by people, then I accept their word, unless I have evidence\u2014real evidence\u2014to the contrary. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281e8ca24-8b1d-4558-9ef9-c9418df2b3c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fbf2981e20254c35808e99402c98cd5d\u0022\u003EKevin Hague\u003C/span\u003E: Given what she now knows of John Judge\u2019s management of all the issues concerning the Pullar case, does he retain her full confidence, and does she believe he should remain chair of ACC? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a387bedb11eb41e0a4c14dab4e7085f9\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: I do not know yet, until the investigations have been completed as to who knew what in the Pullar matter. I do have confidence that the board of ACC has done an excellent job around the finances of ACC, but I have on numerous occasions said that I am not yet satisfied that all of the provisions relating to privacy are, in fact, where I would like them to be. That is one of the reasons why ACC is working with the Privacy Commissioner and other independent people to make sure that it gets those processes right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf17334794a746429718ccfb7f92a908\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Why did she forward the email from Michelle Boag to John Judge, when she explicitly agreed with Ms Boag that that email would not be forwarded to anyone else?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3a53b7fcd2d4207bb8482ee53557035\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s assumption is quite incorrect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022126a124c860b429e8c493c330bb3422e\u0022\u003EHousing Affordability\u2014Government Measures to Address\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022 data-id=\u0022644a61eb92b945029ef9eadb0eec635b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022644a61eb92b945029ef9eadb0eec635b\u0022\u003EHon ANNETTE KING (Labour\u2014Rongotai)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing: What action is the Government taking to make housing more affordable?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022 data-id=\u0022d7f8483d8ae24cb195d3c3b00ed2cd1f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d7f8483d8ae24cb195d3c3b00ed2cd1f\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY (Minister of Housing):\u003C/span\u003E The most important action this Government has taken is to manage the economy well during a difficult period. This includes less tax, putting more money in people\u2019s back pockets to pay their mortgage, and a sustained period of low interest rates, making homeownership more affordable for Kiwis. We have also changed the Building Act and the Resource Management Act to remove unnecessary red tape, and we have increased the Welcome Home Loan caps. Since we have been in Government, in fact, 7,500 people have bought their first home using the scheme\u2014a total value of borrowing of $1 billion. That is an awful lot of first-home buying.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022add348cae5754cfd8db208769d79ea15\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware there is now a housing crisis in Christchurch, with agents saying last week that it is impossible to find rental accommodation; if so, how many of the over 600 Housing New Zealand Corporation rental houses currently boarded up, with no decision made to repair or rebuild them, could be made available to help relieve the growing housing problem?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8207724bcd44dbf904aeca56a7f8fed\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: The member may not be aware, but there is a red zone in Canterbury where a large number of those 600 houses are. The Government has made it pretty clear, and residents have made it pretty clear, that they want to shift out of them. If she is suggesting that we should leave State house tenants in the red zone, but everyone else gets moved to safety, I do not know where this Labour Party is going.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208eac7e944c6449e8f4e5ab8c6afd30f\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. That answer was most unnecessary. I did not raise the red zone. I asked about 600 houses, and asked how many of them could be used and made available for people where there is a housing shortage in Christchurch. It did not warrant that answer or attack on the Labour Party, and on what we thought about the red zone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220792af6027524f279168a4db2427105e\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: I made it clear that many of those houses are in the red zone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f7bc7e655e6c4f818bd742d83a7d3432\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The Minister\u2019s answer, I accept, was somewhat more aggressive perhaps than necessary, but he did indicate that most\u2014he said the majority\u2014of those 600 houses are in the red zone, and that is why they would not be used. The member has the chance to pursue that answer further in further supplementary questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002218e6fb1098fd4d108da3c17928e49977\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: Has Gerry Brownlee raised with him the problem faced by an 85-year-old Christchurch Housing New Zealand Corporation tenant who has been told to vacate her temporary accommodation on Saturday, with no accommodation offered by Housing New Zealand Corporation, and with her family finding it impossible to even contact the department, and if so, what action has he taken to assist this woman?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b66c0ba604fa43459ce151139a3e8e63\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: It has not taken Gerry Brownlee to tell me of that particular case. I am aware of it, and so is Housing New Zealand Corporation. There is no doubt that there are significant housing issues in Canterbury, but it would be fair to say that over the last 12 months the pressure on Housing New Zealand Corporation tenants\u2014the way that they have been managed, shifted to alternative accommodation\u2014has caused very little political or actual noise at all, and Housing New Zealand Corporation has done an excellent job.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221b3aa727b9ff43f8bd2623a1f878531a\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just before I call the next question, I thought the question asked what was done about this particular case, which the Minister has acknowledged he is familiar with. Given the nature of the Minister\u2019s answer, perhaps he could have said what was being done for this person, since he is familiar with it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a3a6c66d8db4b72b9ed423a794ff01e\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: I was asked whether Gerry Brownlee had told me about it. I started my answer with that, but I am happy to develop the answer if you would like me to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237fea7201346414d8f1146bea7545955\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I asked whether Gerry Brownlee had raised it, and what he had done about it if it had been raised. In his answer he said he was aware of it, so he could have told us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285a470f5089e4dd28d2554d64ad66e02\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I accept that people interject when they should not\u2014on my right here\u2014when a point of order is being considered. One could technically argue that it is two questions. Had the Minister been absolutely 100 percent helpful in his answering of these supplementary questions, I might have ruled differently, but given the fairly aggressive answers that have been given, I will ask the Minister to provide the further information\u2014what has he done to assist this person?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0278b550f6344feab1d582d192d2255\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: I had been assured that Housing New Zealand is looking at the case. It looks at many hundreds, if not thousands, of cases. I am not completely up to speed with where that one is at the moment. I think if the member gets permission for me to release the details on that particular woman, perhaps I will look at providing her with a detailed response. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226976e54ad409486cadabb3d1bcc113a6\u0022\u003EDr Jian Yang\u003C/span\u003E: What recent reports has the Minister seen regarding home affordability?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad375e99da3a4094b02cf6a0943bf56e\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: I have seen a report as recently as this morning by Massey University\u2019s real estate analysis unit, stating that in the 3 months ended February the national affordability measure has improved even more. According to the report, falling house prices, rising wages, and falling mortgage interest rates have all combined to make housing its most affordable in 8 years. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264d54c7c4e2d4ce496d58e5eeef5114d\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table the said report that the Minister has just mentioned, which goes on to say\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002269a7a333f0e64ee79dd717b0d1defdea\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Which report is this?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a8b8fcfbd034fbd80bc27d98ea550a5\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: This is the home affordability report from Massey University. It goes on to say that there is demand causing pressure in the housing market, particularly in Auckland and Christchurch. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224168240e854c4654b80d89647c4138bf\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is no objection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022598f864cb5be4c5aa006c7c1d3b2b742\u0022\u003ERino Tirikatene\u003C/span\u003E: What reports has he received on affordability and overcrowding in Christchurch\u2014for example, of 11 people crowded into a two-bedroom house, people renting a garage to live in for $160 a week, or the young man sleeping in his car when he is not delivering pizzas, because he cannot afford the rental or find a place to live?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b244fd3e1a91437fb0222e8b5ce8cd96\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: I am aware of some of those media reports. I think Opposition members need to realise that, yes, there are housing pressures in Canterbury due to the earthquake, but they should also remember that when we set up temporary accommodation, whether in the form of caravans or the units that are very successful in Kaiapoi and Linwood now, the Opposition parties attacked that and opposed it. They cannot have it both ways.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229bdabfbe08194b2abd2474eb3da92fa0\u0022\u003EHone Harawira\u003C/span\u003E: Why did the Government get rid of the rural housing fund, leaving more than 7,000 Tai Tokerau households without the badly needed renovations that had been approved under the fund?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb1c0cb63bae4d19839b6233c06652fb\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Because we decided to put that amount of money, plus some, into the development of new housing, particularly papak\u0101inga housing on multiple-owned M\u0101ori land or other land that M\u0101ori and iwi use. That fund has been very successful. We figured that new houses, well insulated and well designed, are much better than patching up roofs that are leaking and rusting, and patching up houses that are uninsulated and rotting, which is what happened under the previous Labour Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e03935338b44b89aff2bf10856f462e\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: Has he got his priorities right, when he has Housing New Zealand Corporation restructuring its services at a cost of $80 million\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8e015f2d6cd41c4ad11e656ba64e2fc\u0022\u003EAndrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: How much?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022699b04a5badc4951b58cb7e1aea132e7\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014$80 million\u2014getting rid of staff, and overspending its transformation project budget by $8 million so far, and when you have a woman in Christchurch who cannot get a house from Housing New Zealand Corporation, and to this moment nothing has been done about it? Where is this better service?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221fdb1ba400324f9f85d080765129fcf5\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Housing New Zealand Corporation provides almost 70,000 houses across New Zealand. That is 70,000 families\u2014actually, that is 220,000 people. That is a huge commitment. The fact that it is increasing the housing supply in places like Auckland is the right direction. What happened under previous Governments, where you had one person rattling around a four-bedroom house and entertaining gangs in State houses, and all those things are being put behind us. I believe that Housing New Zealand Corporation is heading in the right direction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab3e5c63b06a445793898a794b79db02\u0022\u003EDenis O\u2019Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Government regulate the exploding home-rental increases in Christchurch? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022966fbc90e25a40e1a119b949a4fe8c40\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: I refer the member to the answer in the House by the Hon Gerry Brownlee in recent weeks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be280bc5cbc94bf4bb99bb2c0cf84fea\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I think it is unreasonable to refer a member to an answer in the House in recent weeks. The Minister is the Minister of Housing, he has responsibility for Housing New Zealand Corporation, and I think he should answer the question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225ec8e01f665749ed83951817bcd06461\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: I do not think he was asking particularly about Housing New Zealand Corporation; I think he was talking about the rental market in general.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022381fbc40d28e4396a66f752c1d8fb26c\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I apologise to the Minister. The question did indeed ask about the general housing market; it did not specify. To sort this matter out I invite Denis O\u2019Rourke to repeat his question, because he should have realised that the Minister is not responsible for the general housing market.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002293685253910e4449a9022a31aacb0909\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Where does it say that this Minister is not responsible for housing practice and building and construction in this country?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022417da9592c964e1ebf600051995a34d8\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022679530b860794174a72a1d6a8b3eae64\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227fbe777c6bc14e788b9b247157a72192\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. I will hear the Hon Phil Heatley first.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5b37684a46144f68eb04cf410eac418\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Can I introduce Winston Peters to the Minister for Building and Construction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022792a78d49a55442ea3a0becd08d9d3d2\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The House will come to order and stop this nonsense. Someone will be leaving very soon, unless there is silence all around. This nonsense will stop. Of course the Minister is not responsible for markets. I have not cut out the member\u2019s question. I was not happy with the answer the Minister gave; it was not good enough. However, he points out that the question went beyond his responsibilities, so I invite the member to repeat his question, to make it clearly within the Minister\u2019s responsibility, and I expect an answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc73617e909e44fa89e2c319643bf3da\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. It may or may not assist the Minister, but he is the Minister responsible for housing policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226911af2ab58a479fbcb2e8eb16273d92\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will resume his seat. It is nothing to do with the Opposition which Minister is responsible for what; that is a Government matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a4fd202092e452b854d618fba92af29\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226807774e70b9465aa19520efd975c9ce\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I have heard the member sufficiently, and as far as I am concerned it has nothing to do with the order of this House. I have ruled on the matter, and I will hear Denis O\u2019Rourke\u2019s supplementary question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f6e754ed0237430296fc51583cea8a1e\u0022\u003EDenis O\u2019Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: The question was, will the Government regulate the exploding home-rental increases in Christchurch?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236385a1bf27a48f4bf2b7fd8a7a71316\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: We are not considering that at this time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d3102c5d113d4928a0bde3580c9eccf3\u0022\u003EDenis O\u2019Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Government do anything about the exploding home-rental increases in Christchurch?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c15cd65f342e4902baef8b966f74ab18\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: The Minister for Canterbury Earthquake Recovery announced last week that we are providing more temporary accommodation in Christchurch to provide more supply. Clearly, we have got new developments coming on stream, and we believe that supply will help meet demand and will, therefore, drive down rents and house prices. That is what our primary objective is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f4073fc35914d379ce733cd03601e3c\u0022\u003EDenis O\u2019Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: Given that some people forced out of their homes in the red zone in Christchurch cannot afford to buy a replacement home, will the Government provide some form of affordable bridging finance to assist them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022adf49c0b009841948a2702c4cd684afe\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: At the moment there are a number of forms of finance that the Government does supply. Clearly, we are buying people out of housing properties in the red zone, so they can take that cheque and buy elsewhere. I am assured by the Minister for Canterbury Earthquake Recovery that when he reads a newspaper, there are sections and house packages available. We also have the temporary housing villages. We have the accommodation supplement. Those who are seeking rental in Housing New Zealand Corporation properties have the income-related rent supplement. Yes, we are open-minded to any other interventions, but at this stage we believe that our progress so far is sufficient. If we need to ramp up, we will. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224d146eefaaff4884a78920921b86e876\u0022\u003EDenis O\u2019Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: Given the growing gap between accommodation allowances and actual rentals in Christchurch, will the Government review those allowances?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbb83aab-9566-44c4-9029-8bda4aaca7f2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022775b657aebcb4c619b696686d164ef29\u0022\u003EHon PHIL HEATLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Those particular allowances are a matter for the Minister for Social Development. I believe that they are passed through her department, so it might be best to put that to that Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228bea5cbab22747f8bbcd540ce79f7a7d\u0022\u003ETreaty of Waitangi Settlements\u2014Progress\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u00228aab59edc6864d69abdeb3bb18836cbf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228aab59edc6864d69abdeb3bb18836cbf\u0022\u003ELOUISE UPSTON (National\u2014Taup\u014D)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: What progress has the Government made towards enacting deeds of settlement with iwi in legislation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u00220acddafcf7ba4262b0bee531177ac0aa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220acddafcf7ba4262b0bee531177ac0aa\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E This morning the Ng\u0101ti Manawa and Ng\u0101ti Whare claims settlement bills and the Nga Wai o Maniapoto (Waipa River) Bill all passed their third readings. After question time we will debate the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera Treaty Claims Settlement Bill and the Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill. This is a very significant number of Treaty settlements to be progressed, against a historical average of around 1.7 bills per year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf64ba84b558439eb5d82a0b88c0ba50\u0022\u003ELouise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: What has contributed to this progress?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002229712875371944f78e28affaf70f2aa5\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON\u003C/span\u003E: First, the Government has taken steps to increase the rate at which historical claims negotiations are resolved by the Crown and iwi through better resourcing and taking innovative steps to improve negotiations, and, secondly, there is the support and cooperation of this House in progressing these important bills. Today we have seen members sit during the extended hours of 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. in order to give three bills third readings without having to go into urgency. I am very grateful to all members for their assistance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002285d614c181b24159ac9954c0e2ab020d\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera Treaty Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002216a8278522724e4b808516f8982a5e91\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022 data-id=\u00226f0d4bb7d87f4480b7e9e197d67c07e6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226f0d4bb7d87f4480b7e9e197d67c07e6\u0022\u003EHon Dr PITA SHARPLES (Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: I move, That the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera Treaty Claims Settlement Bill be now read a third time. Kei taku iwi, kua p\u0101 mai t\u0113nei h\u014Dnore ki a au mai i Minita Finlayson kia \u0101rahina t\u0113nei kaupapa, te pepa tuatahi, m\u014D t\u0101 t\u0101tau ker\u0113me. N\u0101 reira, e tika ana kia mihi ki a koutou kua tae pai ki t\u0113nei Whare P\u0101remata. \u0100, n\u0101 reira, nau mai ki te kaupapa ewhakakotahi ai t\u0101tau i t\u0113nei r\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Kei te tangi au ki a r\u0101tau kua ngaro atu, r\u0101tau e mahi ana i te ker\u0113me, me \u0113r\u0101 katoa kua tukuna atu e koutou ki te k\u014Dp\u016B o te whaea, Papat\u016B\u0101nuku. N\u0101 reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Ko Tom Gemmell t\u0113tahi. Noho tahi m\u0101ua i Te Aute, i Te R\u016Bnanga o Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu i \u0113r\u0101 w\u0101, n\u0101, me okioki pai r\u0101tau i roto i te Kaihanga. Engari i t\u0113nei w\u0101, ka nui te hari, te koa ki te mihi atu ki a koutou kua tae mai nei i t\u0113nei rangi, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, nau mai, hara mai r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[My people, the honour of leading this matter pertaining to our claims has been bestowed upon me by Minister Finlayson. Therefore, it is appropriate that I greet you for arriving safely at Parliament. Welcome to the occasion that unites us today; greetings. I mourn those we have lost, those who worked on the claims, and all of those you have returned to the womb of mother Earth. And so, greetings. Tom Gemmell was one. We lived together at Te Aute and worked together at Te R\u016Bnanga o Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu, and so may they rest in peace with the Creator. Nonetheless, at this moment I am delighted to greet you for coming here today. Thank you and welcome.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EAlthough I was unable to participate in the policy decisions about the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera settlement, due to a declared conflict of interest, it is with great pleasure that I stand to speak today in the third reading of this bill, the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera Treaty Claims Settlement Bill. I stand to acknowledge the children of Tamatea Arikinui mai Tawhiti, Tureia, Te Huki, Puruaute. I pay tribute to those who have travelled from the brow of the sacred mountain, T\u0101whiwhirangi, from the ancestral waters of M\u014Dhaka. I also pay tribute to those who for years also travelled from the lands of our tipuna Te Kahu o Te Rangi, bearing the grievances and aspirations of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera. Those who have passed live on in our history, live on in our people, and, most important today, live on in New Zealand law. I remember today Wikit\u014Dria H\u0101peta, Aerial Aranui, Te Awhi Winiata, Raymond Joe\u2014my cousin\u2014Charlie Hirini, George Hawkins, Reay Paku, and Tom Gemmell. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003ETangit\u016B ki te moana\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EMaungaharuru ki uta\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EM\u014Dhaka te awa\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EKo Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera te iwi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThis whakatauk\u012B describes the essence of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera from the mountains to the sea, from the river to the iwi. Maungaharuru forest lands provide food and resources; Tangit\u016B, our coastal territory and fisheries. The M\u014Dhaka River\u2019s spiritual, cultural, and economic value to the people of P\u0101hauwera is immeasurable. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003ETe tapu o Irakewa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EM\u014Dhaka t\u014Dmairangi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EM\u014Dhaka te waiora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EMade sacred by Irakewa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EM\u014Dhaka the unifier. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EM\u014Dhaka the life-giver. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe people of P\u0101hauwera comprise a confederation of hap\u016B centred around M\u014Dhaka on the eastern coast of Te Ika-a-M\u0101ui. Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera stretches from the \u014Chinepaka Stream south of Wairoa to the Waikari River, inland to the Maungaharuru Ranges, and north to the Waiau River. In 1994 the M\u0101ori Land Court appointed eight people to represent Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera under section 30 of the Te Ture Whenua Maori Act 1993 for the prosecution and settlement of the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera Treaty claims against the Crown. On 8 May 2008 the Crown and the section 30 representatives signed terms of negotiation in Wellington. On 30 September 2008 the Crown and Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera signed an agreement in principle, which covered the foreshore and seabed interests of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, as well as their historical Treaty claims. Tom Gemmell, one of the leading forces behind the P\u0101hauwera claim, died just weeks after signing that agreement in principle. Moe mai e te rangatira e te hoa. [Rest there, the leader and the friend.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EOn 5 November 2010 Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera presented a deed of settlement detailing the historical Treaty settlement aspects of this agreement to their people. The deed received overwhelming support from the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera people, and was ratified and signed on 17 December at M\u014Dhaka. Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera were represented in their negotiations by the trustees of the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera Development Trust, which took over responsibility from the section 30 representatives. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe final reading of this bill today marks the fruition of many years of hard work. I would like to commend, in particular, the current and former trustees of the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera Development Trust\u2014Toro Waaka, Kuki Green, Charles Lambert, Gerald Aranui, Sissiel Henderson, Arthur Gemmell, T\u016Breiti Moxon, and T\u0101nia Hodges\u2014for all their hard work and diligence, which has resulted in a very strong settlement. Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera walked a long path to reach this point and can be proud of what they have negotiated\u2014\u012B-h\u0101! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EI am pleased the settlement acknowledges Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera\u2019s relationship with their whenua, as well as their relationship with their awa and moana. I believe that this settlement will support the healing of the relationship between Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera and the Crown. I hope that the apology, which forms part of the settlement, will also assist with this healing. Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera acknowledge that the Crown\u2019s apology represents its commitment to build a positive relationship with Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera and to honour its obligations under the Treaty, for the good of this and future generations. The settlement will be a key step in allowing the iwi to move forward economically and culturally. The financial redress will provide Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera with an ability to focus on and develop their future. Today we are celebrating the beginning of a new relationship between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera. Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera is demonstrating a spirit of cooperation and generosity in the relationship, by gifting back to all people of New Zealand much of Te Heru o T\u016Breia. I hope that the Crown is a worthy partner in this new relationship. I also hope that the people of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera benefit from an ongoing relationship between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera as Treaty partners.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EN\u0101 reira koutou m\u0101, m\u014Dhio ana au i te mamae o t\u0113nei mahi whakatakoto ker\u0113me, whakawhiti k\u014Drero i te Karauna, \u0113r\u0101 \u0101huatanga katoa. Ng\u0101 mea kua mate i t\u0113r\u0101 w\u0101 tae noa ki t\u0113nei rangi, n\u0101 reira, ka nui ng\u0101 mihi ki a koutou kua tae ki t\u0113nei rangi. Ahakoa kua oti ng\u0101 mahi m\u014D t\u0113nei ker\u0113me, he w\u0101 h\u014Du m\u014D t\u014D t\u0101tou iwi. He t\u012Bmatanga kia pakari ai t\u014D t\u0101tou iwi, kia whakat\u014Dkia ng\u0101 whakaaro \u0101taahua, kia pu\u0101wai t\u014D t\u0101tau iwi. Mehemea kei roto i te \u014Dhanga, mehemea kei roto i te kotahitanga o ng\u0101 hap\u016B, mehemea kia noho pakari ai i roto i ng\u0101 tikanga o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, o Ng\u0101ti Kahungungu. N\u0101 reira, k\u0101re e roa aku k\u014Drero ki a koutou, heoi an\u014D, kei konei au, te kaik\u014Drero tuatahi ki te mihi atu ki a koutou i t\u0113nei r\u0101, ki te tautoko i t\u0113nei mahi, t\u0113nei ker\u0113me kua oti pai i a koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[I know the hurt associated with the Treaty claims process, holding discussions with the Crown, and those sorts of things. People have died during that period until this day, and so I congratulate you for coming today. Although the work pertaining to this claim is complete, it is a new era for our tribe. It is a start so that our people can be strong and be able to institute fascinating ideas for our tribe to flourish, be it in the economy, the collaboration of subtribes, or a robust set of protocols for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera and Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu. My address to you is about finished, so here I am, the first speaker to acknowledge you today and to endorse this role and this claim, which you have completed well.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EI am pleased and honoured to be here today to mark this momentous occasion, and support the final reading of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EKo T\u0101whirirangi te maunga\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EKo M\u014Dhaka te awa\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EKo Kahuoterangi te tangata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EKo Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera te iwi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[T\u0101whirirangi is the mountain, M\u014Dhaka is the river, Kahuoterangi is the chief, and Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera is the tribe.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EI commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022 data-id=\u0022c04bf95b5f744624a6322ed8e3ee75c2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c04bf95b5f744624a6322ed8e3ee75c2\u0022\u003EHon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ki a koutou o P\u0101hauwera e tae tahi, e tae kaha atu i konei i te w\u0101hi o te Whare M\u012Bere, e mihi kau ana i a koutou. Ng\u0101 mea pakeke, Haami, koutou katoa, ng\u0101 kuia, ng\u0101 koroua, e mihi kau ana. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou m\u014D t\u014D kaha rawa e tae ana, e peka ana i konei, hei rongo ki te k\u014Drero o t\u0101tau e mahi atu p\u0113r\u0101 i t\u014D t\u0101tau Minita M\u0101ori. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EN\u0101 te pai o te rangi nei, ko t\u0113nei te t\u012Bmata o te otinga m\u014D koutou. Ahakoa te roaroa haere o te whakaae, kua whakaae atu koutou, kua tae atu i konei i te manaaki atu. M\u014D r\u0101tau e rere atu, p\u0113r\u0101 i a te whaea a Sophie, a Tom, a r\u0101tau m\u0101, e tangi hoki te ng\u0101kau. \u0112ngari, n\u0101 te pai hoki kei te ora kaha atu te \u0101hua o P\u0101hauwera. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EM\u014D te koroua a Charlie King k\u0101re au e kite, e mihi kau ana. Ahakoa te tangata o Nanaia, e mihi atu ki a Charlie, ki a koutou katoa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe e te Minita, e Chris, e pai ana i tae atu t\u0101tau i konei hei oti pai t\u0113nei. He tino take atu t\u0113nei t\u014D t\u0101tau Minita a Pita, m\u014D r\u0101tau o t\u0113r\u0101 w\u0101hi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EHe tika atu ng\u0101 k\u014Drero m\u014D te pakanga, e ngaro atu te whenua, e tangohia atu t\u014D r\u0101tau w\u0101hi a te K\u0101wana, e te mahi taurekareka ki a r\u0101tau. Ahakoa i ng\u0101 w\u0101hi o Te Heru o T\u016Breia, i te w\u0101hi o M\u014Dhaka, te w\u0101hi o Raupunga, i reira k\u0113 e mahi atu ng\u0101 mahi. N\u014D reira, e pai ana e tae atu t\u0101tau i konei. Ahakoa e t\u016B kaha atu ng\u0101 maunga i reira, t\u014D r\u0101tau awa o M\u014Dhaka, he tino rekareka atu i te tae atu t\u0101tau i konei m\u014D t\u0113nei otinga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E[Thank you. I wish to acknowledge Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, who have come here as one to the Beehive. To the elders, including Haami, greetings. I congratulate you on your strength in coming here to listen to those of us like the Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs. And so I salute you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EBecause it is a beautiful day, this is the beginning of the end of the process for you. Although the process took a long time, you have given your consent and are here to take care of the matter. I mourn those who have passed away, such as Sophie and Tom. But it is wonderful that the nature of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera is clearly felt. And so I thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EI wish to greet the elder Charlie King, whom I cannot see here. Although he is Nanaia\u2019s man, I congratulate Charlie and all of you. Thank you. I want to congratulate the Minister, Chris; it is great that we are completing this bill. This is an important matter to our Minister Pita, and to those from that area. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThe stories about the wars are correct: their land was taken by the Crown through its despicable actions. Whether it was at places like Te Heru o T\u016Breia, M\u014Dhaka, or Raupunga, it was doing its work. Therefore it is good that we are here. Although their mountains and river M\u014Dhaka stand proudly, it is delightful that we are here for the completion of this bill.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EI want to mihi to the negotiators, to Toro Waaka and co.\u2014and it is no good naming them all, because I think a whole lot of them have been negotiating up there\u2014and to the negotiating team. If you start naming people, you will leave somebody out, so kia ora to the negotiating team. It is important to acknowledge that during the course of the negotiations, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera made allowances for delays in the negotiations while the Crown worked through policy issues around the co-management of natural resources, including rivers. They put a lot of effort into parking up until the Crown had its act together, and that needs to be recognised. The negotiations were unique in that, at the outset, the Crown and Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera sought to address both the historical Treaty claims and the foreshore and seabed interests of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera in a single negotiation. As that legislation was realigned, that was pulled out and they continued with the settlement today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThe basis of the claims is very telling. It is about the failure to ensure that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera retained sufficient lands for its future needs through land purchases and confiscations in the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera rohe, successive pieces of native land legislation, and the actions of the Native Land Court. There is some special, unique redress in this settlement for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera. The effects of war following military conflict with Paimarire in the Napier area in 1866 saw the Crown confiscating all M\u0101ori land between the Waikari and Esk Rivers. This included lands in which Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera held interests, even though they had fought alongside the Crown forces. So they did not get thanked very much. I am glad, Minister Finlayson, that today we are making this special effort to ensure that that is recognised. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThe special, unique redress needs to be mentioned, and it is about the transfer and gift back of the Te Heru o T\u016Breia conservation area, subject to 168 hectares of land around the summit of Te Heru o T\u016Breia and 52 hectares alongside the M\u014Dhaka River. H\u0101ng\u012B stones cannot be extracted\u2014I read a very interesting point about these h\u0101ng\u012B stones\u2014from the M\u014Dhaka or Te Hoe Rivers without Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera consent. It is fascinating that we have put a lot of effort into that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EI hope as you go along in relation to co-management with the conservation order that those issues relevant to metal extraction are truly discussed, and that the benefits and the costs of those metals are something that they get a fair whack out of, because they have been getting a pittance or nothing at all. We all know the value of shingle and metal at the moment. That we are importing steel parts from overseas to make up the road structures in place of metal is something that fascinates me. I hope that these negotiators and the Crown team are very clear on the value of that metal that may be extracted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera have the right to nominate members of any special tribunal to hear and report on applications in relation to the M\u014Dhaka River water conservation order, or make a new water conservation order in relation to the M\u014Dhaka River or its tributaries. That allocation is quite important in the sense of the water issue that is starting to rise up\u2014dare I mention it now\u2014and I hope that we are serious and clear about what their rights are in relation to that water. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThe unique redress also recognises that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera and the Hawke\u2019s Bay Regional Council have agreed to enter into an agreement about gravel extraction from the M\u014Dhaka River. This, I think, Minister, is something that we have to labour on\u2014excuse the pun\u2014because there are these partnerships already in place in some of the other settlements, and I am not too sure whether they are listening to the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations. I hope we are clear and we are sure about making sure that they have an equal say at least with the Hawke\u2019s Bay Regional Council, and that they come to agreement about who does the extraction, when, why, what for, and, of course\u2014I know this is being pragmatic\u2014the return on it, because I think that more than the timber and the forestry and everything else, gravel is going to be a high-priced commodity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EIn the standard redress, the protocols and letters of introduction to Ministers and local authorities\u2014that is lined up over here\u2014again, like the Ruapani paepae, the Ministers and iwi paepae, get together, and are supposed to meet yearly. I think it is already starting to fail. I would hope that you would keep an eye on that, Minister, and make sure that it does happen. It is too easy for people to say: \u201CYep, we have got a charter with you. Yep, we have got an agreement, and we don\u2019t want to go and see you M\u0101oris down M\u014Dhaka or wherever.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThe $20 million includes the value of the M\u014Dhaka Crown forest licensed lands, and it needs to be noted that the accumulated rentals will also transfer. Thirteen properties are to be transferred as commercial redress, including the M\u014Dhaka Forest, R\u0101whiti Station, and five surplus Wairoa District Council properties. Sixteen sites are to be vested in Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera as cultural redress. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThese are two great places: Raupunga and M\u014Dhaka. You know, they have some special characteristics. They have got a whole lot of kids who can play the saxophone. I listened to them on Saturday\u201411 of them. I do not think there is anywhere else in the world where they have got 11 kids who can play the saxophone. There are some young fellas who live with their grandfather who still catch kahawai like the grandfather used to catch them. They were kind people, and they have got a very interesting whare down in M\u014Dhaka, have they not? Rino reckons he used to go there a lot of times and have big feeds down there in M\u014Dhaka. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003ECertainly, I want to remember those people who have passed on. Sophie Keefe was an old battler. She used to tell me that the thing with the P\u0101hauwera people is that you have got to be careful, because sometimes when they are saying yes they mean no, and sometimes when they are saying no they mean yes. It sounds like other people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EI am glad of the challenge being settled, but I would like to say to the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera people and to our Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs, quite simply, that the whare still sits there unfinished. It is great that this journey of settlement happens today. I am not saying you should use the settlement money to finish it, Minister, but I am looking at you\u2014and the other Minister, because he is the Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage. Sophie Keefe would be very happy, and so would a whole lot of other people, if it was finished, because it is not finished, for whatever reason, whatever matter. I want it registered in the House that I said that to you\u2014both of you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003ET\u0113nei an\u014D te mihi i roto i \u0101ku. E mihi kau ana i a koutou, kia pai t\u014D hoki ki te k\u0101inga, kaua koe e noho roaroa atu i te w\u0101hi nei. Rorirori te haere o w\u0113tahi, mahi atu i ng\u0101 mahi i konei. Hoki kaha atu i te k\u0101inga. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tau, kia kaha.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E[I wish to congratulate you again. I thank you. Travel home safely and do not stay away from here too long. Some who do the work here do crazy things. Be strong as you return home. So congratulations to you collectively and to us as well; be strong.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u00228f386a993a7e497cb84ae79d4124ff57\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228f386a993a7e497cb84ae79d4124ff57\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I too acknowledge the people of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera and welcome those who have travelled from the Hawke\u2019s Bay and are here in the gallery to listen to this the third reading of their claims settlement bill, the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera Treaty Claims Settlement Bill. I acknowledge those who have worked so hard to make this day possible, and I join in what Mr Horomia said about what kind people they are\u2014generous in spirit. My first meeting with them was to tell the trustees that there was to be a review of the foreshore and seabed legislation, so that part of the negotiations would be on hold, and there was to be a review of river arrangements, and that part of the negotiation was to be on hold. But I think they would agree with me that the new Hawke\u2019s Bay model is going to work very well, and I acknowledge the work they did with Fran Wilde and with the Hawke\u2019s Bay Regional Council to put those new mechanisms in place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EIn their dealings with the Crown the trustees have been gracious. They have conducted themselves with great honour and dignity throughout all negotiations, and I place on record how much I enjoyed working with them. I am very, very pleased that many are here today to witness this third reading so that their Treaty settlement can pass into law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThis bill settles the Treaty grievances of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera. In this bill the Crown acknowledges its breaches of the Treaty, offers an apology to Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, and provides for cultural, financial, and commercial redress. The passage of the bill marks a historic point in time, a point where the Crown and the iwi stand together as the Crown takes responsibility for its past actions and omissions, some of which I want to refer to now. During the process of land alienation that began in the 1850s the Crown failed to make sure that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera had sufficient lands for its future needs. By the mid 20th century Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera was virtually landless, and ever since they have suffered economic, social, and cultural impoverishment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EDuring the New Zealand Wars Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera communities at M\u014Dhaka were left virtually defenceless because their warriors were away with the Crown\u2019s forces. The Crown ignored warnings of a possible attack on communities at M\u014Dhaka. When the attack occurred the Crown provided minimal assistance to help Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera recover from the attack on their p\u0101 and k\u0101inga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThere is a detailed apology in the deed of settlement, and I hope that very soon I will be able to travel to M\u014Dhaka to formally read that apology out. The deed of settlement also records that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera acknowledge that the Crown\u2019s apology represents its commitment to build a positive relationship with Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera and to honour its obligations under the Treaty for the good of this and future generations. So they accept the apology offered by the Crown, and look forward to building a positive relationship with the Crown. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera has travelled a long but rather different road than is usual to have their claims addressed by the Crown. In 1994 the M\u0101ori Land Court made an order appointing eight people to represent the iwi in the prosecution and settlement of their Treaty claims against the Crown. The tribunal reported on the historical claims of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera in 1992, with the great M\u014Dhaka River Report, and in 2004, with the Mohaka ki Ahuriri Report 2004. In May 2008 terms of negotiation were signed for a combined negotiation of their Treaty of Waitangi claims and their foreshore and seabed interests. An agreement in principle setting out the broad components of the Crown\u2019s settlement offer was signed on 30 September 2008. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ESince then the trustees and the Crown have negotiated very intensively. A draft deed of settlement to settle the claims was ready for ratification on 4 November 2010. An overwhelming 99 percent of those who voted in the ratification of the deed endorsed the work of the negotiators in approving the deed of settlement. On that wonderful day, 17 December 2010, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera and I signed the deed of settlement at M\u014Dhaka. I was very pleased that Mr Horomia was there to support me. It was a very special occasion for all those who attended. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThis bill gives effect to the agreement to a final settlement of all historical claims of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera. Its provisions enable cultural redress to be provided to the iwi, including, as Mr Horomia said, the vesting of Te Heru o T\u016Breia in Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera and the subsequent gift of a major portion of the area to the people of New Zealand as a historic reserve, and the retention by Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera of Nakunaku as a historic reserve and, subject to a conservation covenant, Te Heru o T\u016Breia. There is the vesting of 14 other cultural redress sites. There is provision for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera to be involved in managing the taking of h\u0101ng\u012B stones from the M\u014Dhaka River, and a statutory acknowledgment over the relevant part of the Earthquake Slip Conservation Area. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe bill provides for some aspects of commercial redress: financial redress of $20 million, authorising the transfer of five former Wairoa District Council properties to the iwi, the purchase of licensed land within the M\u014Dhaka Forest, and a right of first refusal over Crown land in a designated area. As Ministers are compelled to say every time a settlement bill is debated in this place, the redress provided can never fully compensate for the loss of life, land, and opportunity. I trust that the agreement reached with Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, which is embodied in this bill, will enhance the relationship between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera into the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe enactment of this settlement is a historic milestone. It is a very important step in this country\u2019s progress towards settling historical Treaty claims. I know that you, Mr Assistant Speaker Robertson, and all members of the House are increasingly aware of the large volume of bills proceeding through the House at various stages. For example, four other Treaty bills are being read for a third time today. All these bills represent significant progress, and, in different ways, the resolution of complex and longstanding Treaty claims. I acknowledge the work continuing all around the country to achieve Treaty settlements. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThere are many people who have contributed to this settlement over the years. I acknowledge the contributions of my predecessor the Hon Dr Michael Cullen, as well as those of the Hon Mr Horomia, who signed the agreement in principle with Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera in 2008, and is always such a good person to chat through issues as they arise. I acknowledge my Ministerial colleagues, in particular the Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs, the Minister of Conservation, and the Minister for Land Information. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI wish to acknowledge the valuable support and contribution made through the work of many Government departments and officials who contributed to this settlement. I have already mentioned the great contribution of Fran Wilde, my negotiator, who thoroughly enjoyed working with Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera. I know she would very much want to be present today, but her work as chair of the Greater Wellington Regional Council has taken her out of town, I think. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EMost important, I want to acknowledge the hard work and commitment of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, and particularly those who negotiated this settlement, and to thank them for their dedication on behalf of their iwi. It has been absolutely vital in the path towards settlement. I know that this claim has dominated their lives, and negotiating this settlement has come at tremendous personal cost. I do not think many New Zealanders really understand the sacrifices made by leaders such as these on behalf of their people, and I commend them for their commitment. But our business is not yet concluded. I know that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera want very much to talk to me about the marine and coastal area in the near future, and I want to tell them that I am looking forward to this negotiation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EIn conclusion, I wish all the best for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera\u2014their elders, their descendants, their negotiating team, and their trustees\u2014and wish them all the very best for the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u002251d6903707b3438196360a01c7da07f8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002251d6903707b3438196360a01c7da07f8\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, k\u0101ti e te Kaihaut\u016B o te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Huri rawa atu ki \u0113nei o \u014D t\u0101tau manuhiri kua tat\u016B mai ki Te Upoko o Te Ika, kua tomo mai ki te ana o te raiona, kua tae mai ki te m\u0101takitaki i \u014D koutou hu\u0101nga, ng\u0101 kanohi M\u0101ori, ng\u0101 kait\u014Drangap\u016B M\u0101ori, e whakawerawera nei me p\u0113hea r\u0101nei ka kitea he rongo\u0101 e murua ai ng\u0101 nawe i tukua mai ki a t\u0101tau mai i te taenga mai o ng\u0101 P\u0101keh\u0101 me \u014D r\u0101tau pakanga ki \u014D t\u0101tau m\u0101tua M\u0101ori. I t\u0113nei rangi ko koutou kua tat\u016B mai ki te tuku i ng\u0101 whakaaro i taimaha ai t\u0101tau te M\u0101ori, kia rere, kia uru mai ai t\u0113tahi whakaaro h\u014Du, e hou tonu ai ki roto i te hinengaro, te ng\u0101kau me te wairua o \u014D t\u0101tau tamariki \u0101 t\u014Dna w\u0101. Hei \u0101 r\u0101tau ng\u0101 taonga e k\u014Drerongia ake nei e t\u0101tau, ahakoa kei te kapu o te ringa kaum\u0101tua i t\u0113nei r\u0101, \u0101 t\u014Dna w\u0101 m\u0101 r\u0101tau e whakatinana. N\u0101 reira, nau mai, piki mai, kake mai. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[Well, then, Mr Speaker of the House, thank you. I turn now to these of our visitors who have arrived here in Wellington, into the lion\u2019s den, to watch their relations, M\u0101ori representatives, and politicians sweating over how, indeed, solutions will be found to take away grievances handed down to us since the arrival of P\u0101keh\u0101s and their wars inflicted upon our M\u0101ori parents. Today you are the ones who have landed here to give us your thoughts as to why we as M\u0101ori have been weighed down and, in doing that, allow it to fly away and let in fresh ideas that will become entrenched in the mind, hearts, and spirits of our children, who will in the future take over resources that we are talking about but are in the hands of the old people today. They will implement these when they take over in the future. Therefore, welcome, clamber aboard, mount up. Greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EAs I have said in M\u0101ori, I acknowledge the presence of the members of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera and their leaders. I am taking a slightly different tack from the one I took in my speech in dealing with Ng\u0101ti Maniapoto, because, as I predicted, I mentioned two men and no women, so I suffered a very severe censuring outside. So I welcome them in their uniform strength, and I welcome them as someone who comes from an area in New Zealand that has yet to experience the full range of emotions that one goes through from having a long, protracted settlement exercise and finally getting to this point\u2014that is, consummation, with the passage of the legislation, the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera Treaty Claims Settlement Bill. We from the north look forward to that experience. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI want to remind those of us who are in the House how far we have come. It is important that we recite some of the names of the people related to this wh\u0101nau today. Indeed, I remember in the late 1970s attending M\u0101ori Council meetings in the esteemed old M\u0101ori affairs select committee room, and seeing such people as Charles Mohi, Timi Kara, Turi Kara Te Huata, and a host of other wh\u0101nau from this part. They have gone on, and oh but that they were here today to witness this Parliament providing an opportunity for the expression of culture, providing an opportunity for an apology to be made, and passing a special piece of legislation that moves on from the old paternalistic trust board model that afflicted a lot of the M\u0101ori tribes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EDuring the Second World War attempts were made to resolve land grievances. There was the Myers Commission in my area, and we see here in an earlier time a reference to the Stout and Ngata exercise. In fairness to the people of that time, without having to pay too much or do too much, they were trying to get away with a lot, but that was the spirit of that time. And as the Attorney-General and Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations has said, this current generation of taxpayers can never fully meet the burden, if it was to be fully monetarily tabulated, of this bout of alienation, etc. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EBut what we do here today is pass legislation strengthening the status of this group of tangata whenua and also endowing back into their ownership, either in actual asset title or other interests such as reflected in statutory instruments so that the management of catchment, the management of rivers, and the improvement of the environment do not take place in spite of their existence but because of who they are and the contributions, credible at an economic, social, and cultural level, of this group of New Zealanders, the tangata whenua of M\u014Dhaka\u2014Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera. That is something to celebrate. There may have been elements in the last Parliament that were not too keen on it. Suffice to say they now have new jobs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI would like to remind everyone that there are challenges in these settlements, because they are often happening in parts of Aotearoa where the economy is not strong. Many of their relations are, at the moment, it has been reported to us by Parekura Horomia, having a hang of a time at that Wairoa freezing works. For those of you who come from Te W\u0101hanga Whare Patu M\u012Bti, from that particular background in the freezing works, etc., as Parekura has no doubt reported to you, and as we report back to you, we stand alongside with you. We do not want to see, in those parts of New Zealand, our people made increasingly irrelevant so the only option they have is to disappear to Australia, and our maraes get lonely and our mokopuna grow up as Aussies or \u201CMozzies\u201D, not New Zealand - based M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThat actually increases the difficulty of the task of turning these settlements into a permanent legacy that generates wealth and income, certainly if it is a part of Aotearoa where there are big economic challenges. I can say this without a sliver of doubt, because I come from such an area in the very far north, so all power to the stewards, to the governors, and to the supporters. There will always be differences of opinion. There will always be the challenges, etc., but, unfortunately, that defines us at a very deep level as to who we are as M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThe other thing I have said in earlier speeches is about the centrality of rivers, because rivers remind us about the difficulty of environmental management, and they remind us that as we go forward and try to grow the size of our economy we are going to rely more and more on water. As we rely on water, that is going to throw up a new debate as to how can we manage water in such a way that people who are not as judicious in their use of water suffer a penalty and those who are clever in their use of water suffer a benefit. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EIt may come to pass that a future Government wants to introduce a raft of rights to do with water. Well, I say in this House today that the moment that happens we will see a new bout of M\u0101ori negotiations, because M\u0101ori business, where it is to do with natural resources, is never over. Treaty business, where it is to do with natural resources\u2014that bottle has been uncorked\u2014is never over, but it can be dealt with if it is dealt with very openly, in goodwill on both sides. After all, rain falls from God in equal distribution upon saint and sinner. I see that when I think of rivers as a new challenge coming for tira\u2014groups\u2014such as this one, and other M\u0101ori groups, etc. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EIt may not be in the time of a number of us as parliamentarians, but, unfortunately, once scarcity meets industry\u2014and water is the resource that people pursue\u2014rest assured an allocation debate will take place. M\u0101ori will be involved in that allocation debate. The final shape and form that the M\u0101ori presence takes in a water allocation debate, that is for the future, but do not for a moment think that it is going to be written out of the script, like, as I said, some angry farmer on a regional council wanting to dismiss the local M\u0101oris. Unfortunately for him, his grandchildren could be marrying one. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EWe stand and support the sitting member, Parekura Horomia; support Dr Sharples, who is closely related to this group; and support the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, and we and think of the people who have made their own contributions to these groups. After all, it was only in 1975 that we had the passage of the Treaty of Waitangi legislation, and it drifted for a while, but over the last 5 years it has certainly gathered a great deal of pace. No one on this side of the House wants to see that pace slow. I am disappointed the Greens have a different view. Fortunately, the influence of their view is proportionately related to the size of their numbers in this House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EWe wish them well, and we wish well those who have taken a responsibility to steer the waka forward. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Kia ora t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022 data-id=\u00221e880d13c8c845c3a9f579fb94371535\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221e880d13c8c845c3a9f579fb94371535\u0022\u003EDAVID CLENDON (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. Kei te mihi nui ki a koutou e te manuhiri, ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. To you, the visitors, and all of you of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, I acknowledge you greatly. Salutations.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EI am pleased to stand on behalf of the Greens to express our support for the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera Treaty Claims Settlement Bill. Contrary to what my esteemed colleague has just said, we are by no means interested in delaying the progress of any settlement legislation, but we are entirely unwilling to sacrifice fairness or justice for speed. That is our position and I thank the member for giving me an opportunity to restate it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EWe acknowledge the very long road, the very considerable hardship and loss that have been suffered by Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera over many, many years. We acknowledge their leaders, past and present, whose work, whose determination, and whose perseverance have brought them to this place, to this point, if not of resolution, at least a considerable step towards that final resolution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003ESadly, reading the history\u2014the background to this settlement bill and the history of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera\u2014is all too familiar. It is a story of people who in the turbulent times in this country, in the mid 19th century, were obliged to participate in wars and conflict not of their making, and to their considerable loss. They lost not only their homes and resources; they lost their friends, their wh\u0101nau. It was a bad time in this country. We saw the destruction of social and economic as well as physical resources and systems; the structures that supported and had supported those people over many centuries were destroyed, and it is only now, over 100 years later, that we seek to see those structures rebuilt in a way that meets the needs and the aspirations of the people who will benefit from these settlements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EMr Horomia has already made the point that the bill records that following hostilities in 1866 there was a raupatu, a confiscation, of all land between the Esk River and the Waikare River. Some of the wh\u0101nau and hap\u016B who lost land in that raupatu were, indeed, the same people who had stood alongside the Crown. It was, indeed, a very shabby reward for their loyalty, for their support, and for their commitment to that particular side in the battles of the day. There was a loss of land and there was an ongoing loss of well-being for those people. Indeed, even after the shooting stopped, again, in too common a story, the Native Land Court and other agencies of the Crown continued to nibble away at their resources, at their possessions, and at the rights and their well-being. It is only now that we seek to amend that loss, to make good that loss, and to provide some means, some wherewithal, for a rebuilding to begin.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EIt was my pleasure as recently as last Sunday to travel through some of the land that is affected by this settlement. I travelled from Gisborne through the Hawke\u2019s Bay, through the Wairarapa, and back here to Wellington. In the course of that journey there are many stunning views. There are some very beautiful landscapes. I am hard-pressed to think of a more dramatic, more memorable landscape than that around the M\u014Dhaka River\u2014those incredible vertical cliffs dropping to the river; it is extraordinarily rich in scenery and rich in natural beauty. Unfortunately that richness is not reflected in the well-being of many of the communities who live in that area. We know that as recently as 2001 an assessment of the people living in the M\u014Dhaka-Raupunga area found that those people were living at the lowest level according to the New Zealand index of deprivation. I daresay that is a great crime, in fact; it is a great misfortune, a great shame, that people living in such a diverse and potentially rich part of the country have been reduced to such a condition. The economic, social, and cultural well-being has been stripped away over many years by the process of colonisation, and it is a real and genuine privilege to be able to make a very small contribution to the making good, to the amends that are now beginning to be made for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, under the provisions of this bill, will gain some co-management rights to the M\u014Dhaka River and to the Waihua and Waikari rivers. There will be a co-management process in place, and that is a good thing. It may not entirely meet the aspirations of those people, those kaitiaki who may have preferred even more control and authority over the rivers and the future use of them. But it is a significant step and is not to be undervalued. I am sure that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera will be very active, very committed partners in seeing to the restoration of the river, the future care and utility of the water in it, and the management of those taonga tukunga iho.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EWith this co-management, the resolution that is being acknowledged and passed today is a considerable step towards an ultimate resolution that will genuinely honour the spirit of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. It is a step towards enabling genuine exercise of tino rangatiratanga in this area we are speaking to specifically and in the country generally. It remains only for me again to wish Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera every success as they utilise what has been given back to them, as I am sure they will, to build a much more positive future for themselves and for their descendants. We wish them well in that endeavour. Kia ora koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022 data-id=\u00227b92d46ea8664b408eb21ac9f311ba69\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227b92d46ea8664b408eb21ac9f311ba69\u0022\u003EJAMI-LEE ROSS (National\u2014Botany):\u003C/span\u003E I am pleased to take my second call in the House today to speak on one of the Treaty settlement claim bills that we have before us, this one being the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera Treaty Claims Settlement Bill. I wish to start, as many other speakers have, by acknowledging the people here today from Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera\u2014the kaum\u0101tua, the kuia, the people who have fought for many years for redress of the wrongs of the past, who have been through a battle through the days of the past to seek rights to correct the wrongs of the past. It is good to see them here today. I am pleased that this House is considering another Treaty bill\u2014one of the 22 deeds of settlement that have been signed since 2008 by the Hon Chris Finlayson. It is great that we are considering so many of these historical issues today, because they are important issues for many people in this country. As a nation, as we mature, we have to recognise that significant wrongs were committed, and we have to make sure that, going forward, we acknowledge those. We put in place measures to compensate for those issues, and we acknowledge that the Crown has not always done right by the people of New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003EReading through the deed of settlement, there are some alarming facts in there, but it is good that those facts are being acknowledged as wrongs of the past\u2014things like early land transactions that led to thousands and thousands of hectares of land being lost by Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera. There were the effects of the wars in the past, where we saw dozens and dozens of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera men, women, and children killed during attacks on M\u014Dhaka, and the lack of assistance by the Crown to help Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera recover. We saw the economic and social consequences of that lack of action by the Crown, which has affected Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera. We have seen the Crown, which has received assistance from Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera in the past, not fulfilling its own obligations back to Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera. One of the most significant things in any Treaty settlement is the Crown apology, and it is good to see that that Crown apology exists for this Treaty settlement, as it has for all other Treaty settlements. It is also pleasing to see that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera has accepted that apology from the Crown, because not until the two parties both, one, apologise, and, the other, accept that apology, can we move forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003EI know from my time in local government and dealing with certain iwi in my own particular area that one of the most significant things for any M\u0101ori people is not necessarily the financial redress that comes through a Treaty settlement; it is also the recognition of cultural wrongs of the past and also the loss of land. I am pleased to see that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera will be receiving and subsequently gifting back to the people of New Zealand a large portion of Te Heru o T\u016Breia conservation area. It is very generous of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera to gift that back to the people of New Zealand, and I say thank you to them for that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003EOn the website of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera they make a very significant comment\u2014it is a saying, I would suggest. It goes like this: \u201CAs Old Father Thames is to the Londoner, as the Ganges is sacred to the Indian, as the Jordan is spiritual to the Palestines, so is the Mohaka all these things to Ngati Pahauwera.\u201D The fact that this bill addresses provisions for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera in relation to M\u014Dhaka is also a very good thing. I hope that, going forward, the issues that have been addressed in this Treaty settlement, and the provisions that the Crown is making towards Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, help Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera succeed for many years to come in the future, and I wish them the best of luck. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022 data-id=\u002212f45a7b81b84b888eaafe30dffcb2e9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002212f45a7b81b84b888eaafe30dffcb2e9\u0022\u003EBRENDAN HORAN (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Te Kaihaut\u016B o te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ladies and gentlemen, children, wh\u0101nau, dear friends, and people of New Zealand, we have heard today about the lengthy process that iwi have undertaken to get to this House to hear the third and final reading of their settlement, the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera Treaty Claims Settlement Bill, and move beyond grievances that have plagued their wh\u0101nau for generations. Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera have endured a process no less arduous than other iwi, and I would like to acknowledge those who are here today and those who have passed on and are watching in spirit. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EAs I speak to the particulars of this settlement, one of the most significant features is the M\u014Dhaka River. Going forward, the water resource and management of our waterways will become more controversial and, inevitably, more valuable. One of the distinct advantages that our country enjoys is not only climate but water. Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera might be regarded as one of M\u0101oridom\u2019s river tribes. The Crown has acknowledged the significance of the awa, the rivers, to this tribe. These rivers are taonga, and represent something akin to a life-force to the iwi. The special relationship with these rivers must be advanced. Rivers cannot be seen purely for their utilitarian purposes. Rather, they have inherent value and all of us in the House today should join with Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera and ensure that these awa remain wild and free. I am sure, as other speakers have reminded us, a clean river is a healthy river.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EThe settlement bill also acknowledges their loyalty to the Crown, and I am speaking of service in theatres of war overseas. Let me read into the record a small but significant example of this ethic of service. In World War I Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera demonstrated its loyalty to the Crown as part of the Allied war effort. They raised funds to help send their young men overseas, some of whom were decorated for their war service. They suffered heavily in the loss of young men and potential leaders. One such man, H\u0113nare W\u0113piha Te Wainohu, gave distinguished service in the M\u0101ori Pioneer Battalion. He died in 1920, depriving Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera of an exemplary leader, but his acts of bravery and encouragement to the M\u0101ori contingent endure, and here is one of his quotes: \u201CRemember you have mana. The honour and the good name of the M\u0101ori people is in your keeping this night.\u201D And that still resonates today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EI agree with the sentiments of the Hon Shane Jones as to the challenges that face Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera going ahead. New Zealand First supports this bill, and we wish Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera well. Au\u0113, ake, ake, kia kaha \u0113. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022 data-id=\u0022403577eb1a344bba8964749ec261c365\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022403577eb1a344bba8964749ec261c365\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN (National\u2014Northland):\u003C/span\u003E It is a great privilege to be able to take a very short call on this Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera Treaty Claims Settlement Bill today. Can I, firstly, acknowledge you all\u2014kaum\u0101tua, kuia, and people of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera\u2014for making the journey here. It is not always the most exciting place to be, but I am sure today is a very, very exciting one for you, and I acknowledge your presence here. I live in Te Tai Tokerau, a proud Northlander, but my iwi is Tainui, which does sometimes cause me some concern. However, the significance of the settlement process for Tainui cannot be overestimated. Although we may have got off to a bit of a rough start in some ways\u2014trailblazers often do\u2014can I just say that now the returns and the economic benefits to Tainui are significant, and can I say to you that I hope, moving forward, you also can enjoy the ability to look forward, to plan, and to invest in your people and in your futures. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EI am proud that this Government, over the last 3\u00BD to 4 years, has made a significant investment in empowering iwi such as you and others to do that. I just want to acknowledge the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations for his significant efforts to do this. I am very proud as a National Party member of Parliament that we have got on as a Government with providing the tools for these settlements to progress. Lastly, can I say that I was privileged to be in the far north recently at the deed signing for Te Aup\u014Duri, and I have never seen so many people in Te Kao, to be honest. Normally, I stop there for an ice cream. It was a special day. There were at least 2,000 people there, and there was a sense of pride, there was a sense of closure, but, more so, there was a sense of future. I wish you all the best in your future and I commend this bill to the House. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u0022c688eac67c9e407fac8e893181d69433\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c688eac67c9e407fac8e893181d69433\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E Tangi t\u016B ki te moana, maunga haruru ki uta. Ko M\u014Dhaka te awa, ko Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera te iwi. Ko au k\u0113 tetahi o ng\u0101 uri o P\u0101hauwera, mihi tonu atu ki a koutou e aku whanaunga. Ka mihi te aroha nui ki a koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[The sea\u2019s lament on the shoreline and mountains resounds inland. M\u014Dhaka is the river and Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera is the people. I am a descendant of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera and acknowledge that direct connection to you, my relatives. Huge salutations and regards to you collectively.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EIt is a great pleasure and a very proud moment for me to stand and speak on the final passage of the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera Treaty Claims Settlement Bill. This bill is very deeply personal to me because I am very proud of my Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera whakapapa, and in fact there are many Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera wh\u0101nau, whanaunga puta noa\u2014all the way through\u2014the Wai Pounamu. I acknowledge my dear great-grandmother, or as we say in our southern dialect, taua\u2014Hauataua. Her name was \u0100miria Henrici, and she was the daughter of Adolfus Henrici and R\u014Dpine Hinemare Te Aohi. It is a very, very big wh\u0101nau, but she was one of that very big wh\u0101nau, and all of my whanaungas are here today, and many of them connect up through those lines. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThe passage of this bill is deeply personal because this bill records\u2014and I do acknowledge the Hon Chris Finlayson and his officials for the work they have put into this settlement\u2014the history and the complete background to the grievances of our Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera whanaunga, and it is important that we acknowledge that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EIn regards to the attacks on M\u014Dhaka, my great-grandmother \u0100miria was a baby at the time, and her older sisters swam across the M\u014Dhaka River to escape from the Crown attacks at M\u014Dhaka. As one sister tired, she handed the little baby, their baby sister, over to another sister. That young baby obviously grew into a fine young lady, a M\u014Dhaka P\u0101hauwera princess, and they moved down to Te Wai Pounamu, to the Banks Peninsula. Their father, Adolfus Henrici, was a very skilled boatbuilder and so he took his talents down there to Akaroa. He was very famous down there with his boatbuilding prowess. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EShe married into another very big Ng\u0101i Tahu wh\u0101nau down there, my poua, \u0100perahama T\u016Bp\u0101h\u016B Solomon Score. Their two children, Rangi Solomon and my tawa, Ruti Matekino Solomon, basically had a huge wh\u0101nau right across Te Wai Pounamu, and I am a product of that. My auntie and my late father were products of that, and they were all brought up by our great-grandmother, and that is why there is such a very close and dear affinity and affiliation to our Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera side. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI would also like to acknowledge that, growing up, my late father always made it very clear to us, telling us the stories, and making sure that we would go back. I was playing in the Reo, and we would link up with Te Reo o Hamuera, we would go through to M\u014Dhaka, and have many a great whakamoemiti and hui on that marae, and we had many wonderful 21st occasions and many ceremonial occasions in the hall\u2014wonderful h\u0101kari, wonderful times. I remember I was playing my cornet in the band, but we could not match Raymond Joe and the Blue Mooners when it came to letting the hair down in the evenings, in that wonderful hexagonal hall, which is there in M\u014Dhaka, the whare kai. So, yes, I am very, very proud to be standing to speak on this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThere are many elements to these settlements, and I mentioned earlier this morning that it is not about just the money, and it is not about just having words on paper. These are very deep acknowledgments, and it is all about establishing the permanence of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera to their place and their connection to the M\u014Dhaka River and their whenua. So I am delighted to be here to actually speak on the passage of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI do want to acknowledge a couple of other people whom I have had the pleasure of dealing with over the years in previous careers. One is Toro Waaka. I know Toro Waaka has worked tirelessly on the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera claim for many, many years. A few years ago I took Toro overseas on seafood missions, looking at new markets for our iwi fishing companies. I always saw Toro\u2019s really entrepreneurial drive and his commitment to his mahi, and that later progressed when he was a member of Te Ohu Kaimoana, the Treaty of Waitangi Fisheries Commission, under Shane Jones, who was the chair at the time. I mihi to Toro in particular for all his work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI am very proud that my sisters and I are registered as beneficiaries for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera. We receive all the mail through the post, and I am very delighted to receive those letters and all those updates. I also would like to acknowledge, as Parekura mentioned, Bishop Moxon\u2014mihi tonu atu ki a koe\u2014who is here today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThere are many elements to this bill. I will not traverse the details, because I know other speakers have actually gone through all the elements of it, but important to me is the acknowledgment and the apology that are listed in the legislation from the Crown, and the acceptance by Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera of the apology. I think that shows a wonderful gesture on behalf of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera that they accept that apology in the legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThen there are also the various other aspects\u2014the cultural redress and the commercial elements. One in particular is the mechanism to provide for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera participation in the natural resources. I think this is a significant part of all the recent settlements that are coming through, particularly around the awa, the rivers, with the co-management models, protocols, letters of introduction, representation on planning committees, roles in nominating people to tribunals and the like. All of those are, as I mentioned earlier, very important in re-establishing, restoring, and reclaiming Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera\u2019s space, their river, and their lands. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI would just like to conclude my speech by saying that I am shortly leaving. I apologise to Ngati Porou, because I will not be here for the full duration of their Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill. I will be shortly travelling down to Kaik\u014Dura, where I will be this weekend. While I am down there, I will visit the urup\u0101 where \u0100miria Henrici is buried there in \u014Caro. I will call in on her and fill her in on all the great developments that are happening with all of her whanaunga up there in Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI commend this bill. I mihi to all my whanaunga here, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, and also all of my fellow members in this House. Kia ora an\u014D t\u0101tou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u002249268653283a4da78632ce272826c598\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002249268653283a4da78632ce272826c598\u0022\u003EALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Me mua kia orana tatou katotoa i te aroa matua o te Atua. Kia orana to tatou tangata o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, kua au te tangata o Moana Nui a Kiwa, no Rarotonga, no Aitutaki, no Mangaia. Kia orana tatou katotoa no te aere mai tatou no tenei ra.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIt is an honour to be here today, and to acknowledge a historic moment, though I did ask myself who I am to be here, a Cook Islander born in New Zealand. All I can think about is toku mama reo toku mama gran toku mama Tepaki no Ngati Tepaki, no Aitutaki. She would often tell us that we are tuakana, so today I stand as tuakana to witness this historic occasion, for what you are witnessing today is a moment in this place and in this time. So I humbly stand here to acknowledge that. I also remember that my grandmother would say to me e toku tamait kare te enua kua au, tea enua no te Atua\u2014\u201CO little one, o little boy, never forget that this land does not belong to you, for it belongs to a greater one, te Atua.\u201D I think it is a reminder for us that though we are receiving back that which belongs to us, in one sense it does not belong to us. Instead, we are the kaitiaki; we are the guardians. So I acknowledge the role that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera play. Today we are putting right that which was made wrong. We are honoured here. Today, simply in this short moment of time in this history, which is your history, I stand as tuakana to acknowledge you in this place for the history that is made. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EFinally, I say this. At times we would often say \u201CThis is the beginning of the end.\u201D, but maybe today it is the end of the beginning of a future that you will realise, of the potential that was once dreamt of many times over. So, to tatou pure, our prayers, our hopes, and our dreams are your prayers, are your hopes, and are your dreams, all that have gone before you, and all that will be now in this place. No reira, kia orana tatou e kia manuia.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022 data-id=\u0022dca940dd7e844e67af06dad1bfce986d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dca940dd7e844e67af06dad1bfce986d\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS TREMAIN (Minister of Civil Defence):\u003C/span\u003E Tihei mauri ora!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EWhakataka te hau ki te uru,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EWhakataka te hau ki te tonga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EKia m\u0101kinakina ki uta,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EKia m\u0101taratara ki tai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EE h\u012B ake ana te at\u0101kura,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EHe tio, he huka, he hauhunga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Ki te Whare e t\u016B nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ki a Papat\u016B\u0101nuku ki waho, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ki ng\u0101 mate o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwaera, haere, haere, haere. Ki ng\u0101 kaum\u0101tua, ng\u0101 rangatira o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Ki ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 tatou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[Behold the sneeze of life!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ECease the winds from the west,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ECease the winds from the south.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ELet the breezes blow over the land,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ELet the breezes blow over the ocean\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EWith a sharpened air, a touch of frost, and a promise of a glorious day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ESo salutations to you collectively. Greetings to the House that stands before me and to mother Earth outside. Farewell, the deaths of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera; depart, depart. To you, the elderly, leaders, and people of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, I salute you. And so acknowledgments and salutations to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EKia ora. Can I say what an absolute privilege it is to be here today in one of the final speeches on the settlement for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera. It is a privilege for a number of reasons, but principally that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera\u2019s settlement is the first in the area of my rohe of Heretaunga, in the area of my electorate, which starts at the T\u016Btaekur\u012B River, heads up to M\u0101hia and M\u0101hanga and out to the beautiful Lake Waikaremoana, and comes down the K\u0101weka Ranges and back to the T\u016Btaekur\u012B. My stomping ground, my t\u016Brangawaewae, is one of the most beautiful places in Aotearoa. At the heart of that electorate is the M\u014Dhaka River, starting up closer towards Taup\u014D in the Poronui area, at the confluence of the Taharua River, and flowing all the way down to the sea through some of the most spectacular country in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EIt is rugged country. The M\u014Dhaka River has grade 5 rapids at the top and flows down to the sea. There is beautiful scenery surrounded by native bush through much of the river. It is a wonderful, wonderful awa. The M\u014Dhaka Marae is just at the end of the river on the left-hand side, where, I have to say, it was a privilege to be at the signing with Mr Finlayson of the initial deed that actually led to this process. You do not take these privileges lightly as a member of Parliament. They are one of those sorts of things that you touch on when you leave this place. That there are events like this, which are markers and which have taken place while you have been here, is something to be proud of for members from across the House\u2014not just this side of the House, not just on the Labour side, or the Greens side, or the New Zealand First side. For all of us to be moving forward in this way is something to genuinely be proud of. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E I used that whakatauk\u012B at the start of this speech, this k\u014Drero, because it goes to the heart of what we are doing here, which is moving forward. To talk about that whakatauk\u012B in English, it basically says: \u201CCease the winds from the west. Cease the winds from the south. Let the breezes blow over the land, let the red-tipped dawn come with a sharpened ear, a touch of frost, a promise of a glorious new day.\u201D, and that is what is happening. We have got to a point where we have been through a settlement process. We have been through all the issues that many, many speakers have spoken about today\u2014the issues, the grievances\u2014but we have gone to a point now where a settlement has been reached, and an apology has been given and accepted by Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, where there has been redress through not only forestry, some land, and the handing back of sacred taonga of other land, but also wider settlements, which means that we can move forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EWhat I want to focus on is the going forward from here\u2014not looking back over our shoulder, but where we go to, not only as Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera but also as iwi throughout the country, as we go through these settlement processes. I do not want to mark the ground about who has kind of achieved what, in that space, in a certain number of years. The point is that we are moving forward as a nation in settling these grievances. Some will take longer; I have no doubt about that. But the point is that we are moving forward, and this sort of redress allows Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera to be part of the economy in a way that they have not been previously. That is about building an economy of their own, jobs, creating wealth, creating a future for their people. But it is not just Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera. There are lots of other people in the Hawke\u2019s Bay community and in the Waharoa area\u2014Raupunga and all around that area. That is my challenge: how we use this settlement now to maximise the opportunity to go forward with it. I know that Craig Foss, who is also an electorate member from my party, from across the way here, would join me in that particular mihi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ESo the future is important. I think the economy is amazing. I think with regard to some of the land that is at the end of the M\u014Dhaka River there, there are some wonderful opportunities. It has fertile soil, and the opportunity to invest in that and go forward has to be considered. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EI want to finish with another mihi that again looks to the future. But before doing that, I just acknowledge the trustees, Toro Waaka, T\u0101nia Hodges, Kuki Green, Sissiel Henderson, Charles Lambert, T\u016Breiti Moxon, and Gerald Aranui. I just acknowledge the efforts, and I know there have been a number of trustees who have passed away during the process, as well, and I want to mihi to them, as well. I just say thank you on behalf of this Parliament for the work that you have done in seeing that settlement through. Like I said, I just want to finish on that final whakatauk\u012B: \u201CWh\u0101ia te pae tawhiti kia tata, wh\u0101ia te pae tata, whakamaua kia \u016B, kia t\u012Bna\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[\u201CSeek the distant and near horizon so that it is closer. Firm it up and secure it\u201D.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EThat mihi talks about us reaching for the stars, going forward, pulling our goals close to us, and that is something we should do as an iwi with this settlement, taking it forward. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. It has been a privilege to speak in this debate tonight. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EWaiata; karanga\t\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022db3a8ee0448b4c1688d9e200d102c232\u0022\u003ESittings of the House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220de947e568d94eda92a2c8c8c043c96d\u0022\u003ESittings of the House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u00227c6ef1b06bc745c2892e498a67078749\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227c6ef1b06bc745c2892e498a67078749\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY (Deputy Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave for the House to sit beyond 6 p.m. today to allow the completion of the third reading of the Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022454b355856b34f918cf2777f74df988a\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229c96fd76265b4cae8fcf0d5074559fa8\u0022\u003ENgati Porou Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022eba866cd1af3472f9b0d2114a8aec7d1\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022 data-id=\u002275516a15122c480bb607f366ba334fdc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002275516a15122c480bb607f366ba334fdc\u0022\u003EHon Dr PITA SHARPLES (Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs) \u003C/span\u003Eon behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: Tuatahi, kei ng\u0101 mana, kei ng\u0101 reo, kei ng\u0101 kaum\u0101tua, ng\u0101 koroua, ng\u0101 kuia. Ngati Porou wh\u0101nui, kua tat\u016B mai i t\u0113nei rangi, ki te whakanui i te kaupapa i whakahuihuitia t\u0101tau, e whakakotahi ai t\u0101tau i t\u0113nei r\u0101. N\u0101 reira nau mai, hara mai r\u0101 ki te Whare P\u0101remata i t\u0113nei r\u0101 \u0101taahua, te r\u0101 i hui tahi t\u0101tau ki te whakah\u014Dnore i ng\u0101 mahi kua mahia e koutou kia whakaoti te ker\u0113me ki t\u0113nei w\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003ETino roa rawa te huarahi kua takahia e koutou kia tae ki t\u0113nei w\u0101. Engari, i te mutunga ake he t\u012Bmatanga hoki. Kua mutu t\u0113n\u0101 whawhai, kua t\u012Bmata in\u0101ianei te w\u0101 \u0101taahua ki te whakapu\u0101wai i ng\u0101 hiahia, i ng\u0101 moemoe\u0101 o r\u0101tau e mahi ana i te ker\u0113me, me r\u0101tau kua ngaro atu. N\u0101 reira, kua p\u0101 nei ki a au t\u0113nei h\u014Dnore kia mihi atu ki a koutou, me te k\u014Drero tuatahi e p\u0101 ana ki t\u0101 koutou ker\u0113me i t\u0113nei r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EN\u0101 reira, k\u0101re e roa aku mihi ki a koutou i t\u0113nei w\u0101. Hoi an\u014D kua tae mai, n\u0101 reira, nau mai, hara mai ki te P\u0101remata. Ahakoa m\u0101ku e mihi atu ki a koutou, n\u0101ku t\u0113n\u0101 mahi. E, ko \u0113tahi o koutou noho ai i konei, te nuinga hui ka t\u016B m\u014D t\u0101 koutou ker\u0113me. Ko \u0113tahi o Ngati Porou hoki e mahi ana i konei, Ngati Porou ki Tai R\u0101whiti, Ngati Porou ki te P\u0101remata. Kei konei r\u0101tau e mahi ana m\u014D t\u0101tau te iwi wh\u0101nui i roto i te Whare P\u0101remata nei. N\u0101 reira, heoi an\u014D, nau mai hara mai r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[Firstly, to the powers, languages, elders, menfolk, womenfolk, and Ngati Porou at large who have gathered here today to celebrate the matter that brought us together as a united front, welcome to Parliament on this beautiful day\u2014a day that brought us together to honour the work done by others of you to complete the claim to this point in time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe road you have travelled to date has been a long one. But in the end, it is really only a beginning. That struggle has ended, and the best part, which will bring to fruition the aspirations and dreams of those who worked on the claims\u2014those who are alive still and those who have passed away\u2014is only just beginning. Hence this honour to acknowledge you and to introduce your settlement today has been placed upon me. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EMy tributes to you will not be too long at this point in time; indeed, you have arrived, so welcome, welcome to Parliament. It is my responsibility to acknowledge you\u2014after all, some of you live here and the majority of meetings for your claims take place here. Some of you work here as well, while some are back at the coast. So welcome, welcome indeed.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EI move, That the Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill be now read a third time. To the sons and daughters of Porou Ariki Te Matatara a Whare Te Tuhi M\u0101reikura o Rauru, nau mai. From the resting place of the sacred waka Nukutaimemeha, atop the peaks of Hikurangi, to the Waiap\u016B waters at Rangitukia as it surges into Te Moana-nui-a-Kiwa. The first on earth to see the dawn of a new day\u2014since the dawn of time itself: Ngati Porou mana whenua, mana moana, mana tangata, mana Atua. Ko Hikurangi te maunga, ko Waiap\u016B te awa, ko Ngati Porou te iwi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe area of interest for Ngati Porou is on the East Coast of the North Island. One of Aotearoa\u2019s largest iwi, with 72,000 members, the marae of Porourangi are located around the East Cape from P\u014Dtikirua in the north to Te Toka-\u0101-Taiau in the south, covering 400,000 hectares.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe historical grievances of Ngati Porou relate primarily to the Crown\u2019s failure to honour its Treaty promise to respect Ngati Porou rangatiratanga over their own affairs. Ngati Porou rangatira signed Te Tiriti o Waitangi in 1840, and from then on sought to uphold the Treaty as a matter of honour. However, Crown actions soon created some disillusionment among Ngati Porou as to the Crown\u2019s commitment to the Treaty. The Crown imposed land tenure reform on Ngati Porou, which deprived iwi members of collective control over their land, and made it difficult to utilise their land for economic development. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EAlthough it is not possible to fully compensate Ngati Porou, nor any claimant group at all, for the loss their people have suffered, nevertheless the redress in this bill seeks to recognise the longstanding cultural and spiritual association that Ngati Porou have within the region. It gives effect to the undertakings by the Crown in the deed of settlement by offering reconciliation redress including an agreed historical account, Crown acknowledgments and apology, cultural redress that vests sites of cultural and historical significance, and a number of arrangements designed to facilitate good working relationships between Ngati Porou and the Crown. I am confident that the Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill will settle the claims of Ngati Porou in a full and final matter, and set the foundation for a productive future relationship with the Crown. The Crown apologises to Ngati Porou for past dealings that breached the Crown\u2019s obligations under the Treaty of Waitangi. These include the detention without trial of some Ngati Porou on the Chatham Islands, the Crown\u2019s abuse at times of its monopoly powers to purchase Ngati Porou land, and the Crown\u2019s failure in a number of ways to respect Ngati Porou rangatiratanga in the administration of their own land.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThis settlement will see the creation of a strategic partnership arrangement where the Crown and Ngati Porou jointly develop a separate section of the East Coast Bay of Plenty Conservation Management Strategy, to be known as Ng\u0101 Whakahaere Takirua m\u014D Ng\u0101 Paanga Whenua o Ngati Porou. This arrangement will provide Ngati Porou with input into the strategic governance of specified public conservation lands within the Ngati Porou area of interest. Fifteen sites of cultural and historical significance will be vested in Ngati Porou, totalling approximately 5,898 hectares. These sites are currently administered by the Department of Conservation, except for one site, Taitai, which is 170 hectares and is Crown forest land administered by Land Information New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E The Crown also recognises that Ngati Porou have a proud record of military service overseas in New Zealand\u2019s defence. The New Zealand Defence Force and Ngati Porou seek to affirm their relationship through the naming of officer entry scholarships and higher defence training programmes that are awarded to people of Ngati Porou descent. The naming will be subject to the recipient\u2019s approval.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EAs we prepare to settle the Treaty of Waitangi claims of the descendants of Porourangi, it is fitting to honour those who are not here in body, but who no doubt are here in the hearts and minds of their people, and whose spirit lives on in the words of this historic settlement\u2014and it is a historic settlement. We pay tribute to Mate Kaiwai, Dr Te Kapunga (Koro) Dewes\u2014KD\u2014Dame K\u0101terina Mataira, Dr Paratene Ngata, Sir H\u0113nare K\u014Dhere Ngata, Merekaraka Ng\u0101rimu, \u0100naru Paenga, Hopa Keelan, Waho Tibble, W\u012B Kuki Kaa, Martin K\u012Bngi, Jules Ferris, H\u014Dnore Chesley, T\u0101me Te Maro, and Wh\u0101ia McClutchie. Me \u0113r\u0101 atu. N\u0101 reira koutou, okioki tonu mai koutou hei wh\u0101riki m\u0101 m\u0101tau. Koutou ki a koutou haere. [And others. So rest there as a mat for us. You, the dead, remain there with the dead; farewell.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003ENgati Porou mana whenua, mana moana, mana tangata, mana atua. N\u0101 reira, koutou m\u0101, he h\u014Dnore m\u0101ku ki te p\u0101nui i t\u0113nei kaupapa ki a koutou i t\u0113nei r\u0101. He kaupapa kua whakatakotoria e koutou i ng\u0101 tau kua pahure ake. Ng\u0101 mamae, ng\u0101 tautohetohe, \u0113r\u0101 atu mahi, kua oti. Kua tau pai i roto i te pepa nei. N\u0101 reira, ng\u0101 mihi nui ki a koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[Ngati Porou has autonomy over their lands, seas, people, and gods. It is an honour indeed for me to introduce this bill today. It was presented to you some years ago. The pain, debates, and other related activities are complete now and are well documented in this bill. Therefore, huge congratulations to you; well done and good on you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EI commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u0022a3e8d691049e4805a2938396095962d0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a3e8d691049e4805a2938396095962d0\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I te tuatahi, t\u0113n\u0101 koe e te Kaihaut\u016B o te Whare, huri noa ki t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare, t\u0101tou ng\u0101 kait\u014Drangap\u016B e noho tonu nei kia tutuki pai i a t\u0101tou ng\u0101 mahi whakarite, hai whai m\u0101 t\u0101tou i t\u0113nei rangi. Otir\u0101, me huri atu ki ng\u0101 \u016Bpoko, ki ng\u0101 rangatira, ki ng\u0101 wh\u0101ea, ki a koutou katoa kua tat\u016B mai ki Te Upoko o Te Ika, te \u016Branga o te r\u0101, mai i P\u014Ditikirua, ki te Toka-\u0101-Taiau huri noa ki te tihi o Hikurangi maunga m\u0101turuturu tonu, \u0101, rere atu ki Te Moana-nui-a-Kiwa m\u0101 roto i te awa o Waiap\u016B. Ko koutou ng\u0101 kaitiaki, ko koutou ng\u0101 kaipupuru o te mauri kei t\u0113n\u0101 rohe, ko t\u0101 m\u0101tou he whakatau, he mihi atu ki a koutou i t\u0113nei rangi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EHei aha m\u0101ku te whakahuahua atu i ng\u0101 ingoa, otir\u0101, tautoko i te \u0101huatanga o te reo whakamihimihi i puta i t\u014D t\u0101tou Minita m\u014D \u014D koutou m\u0101tua, r\u0101tou kua poupou ki te matemate. T\u0101 te mea, hau tetahi i whakatipungia ai i roto i te k\u0101inga o taku tupuna wh\u0101ea, m\u0101ku an\u014D m\u014D ng\u0101 w\u0101hine e whakahua i te ingoa marae o Te Kawa, he hoa tino tata ki t\u0113n\u0101 tupuna \u014Dku, me te mahara ki te w\u0101 i tat\u016B ai m\u0101tou ki waenga tonu i a koutou, mihi ana t\u0113r\u0101 hau tupua o roto i Te Tai R\u0101whiti ki a m\u0101tou ka hinga atu i roto i tana mihi a T\u0101whai Tamep\u014D. N\u0101 reira, r\u0101tou ki a r\u0101tou, t\u0101tou ki a t\u0101tou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[Firstly, greetings, Mr Speaker of the House, and throughout our House to politicians who have remained so that we can complete the business well that has been set down for us to pursue today. Indeed, I turn now to the heads, leaders, elderly womenfolk, and all of you who have landed here in Wellington from the arrival place of the sun at P\u014Dtikirua to Te Toka-\u0101-Taiau around the summit of Mount Hikurangi, where the water trickles down and flows to the Pacific Ocean via the Waiap\u016B River. You are the guardians and the holders of the life-force at that region, and ours is to formally welcome and acknowledge you today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EIt is not for me to name you individually but rather to endorse the welcoming sentiments expressed by our Minister in respect of your forefathers who have passed on. Because I was raised in the home of my great-aunt, and for the benefit of the women, I will mention Te Kawa, a very close friend to that ancestor of mine. I recall the time when we arrived amongst you, and during the acknowledgments by a great East Coast ancestor, T\u0101whai Tamep\u014D died. Therefore, let the dead remain there among their own and we the living among ourselves; respects and salutations to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EAs I have said in M\u0101ori, we acknowledge the presence today of one of the great tribes of Te Ao M\u0101ori. I should say that, because they have a great man in this House in the form of Parekura Horomia. They are obviously a very sensible tribe because they sent him back here. I want to acknowledge, as we have said earlier today, the Ministers of the Crown on both sides, whether they be in the time of Parekura Horomia, Dr Michael Cullen, or even stretching further back to Koro W\u0113tere in the days of endeavouring to vest Hikurangi mountain back in the people of Te Tai R\u0101whiti, Ngati Porou. They have all made their contribution. Indeed, there has been a recent innovation to expedite the settlement of claims: they are called Crown negotiators. We have one, I think, in our midst, Mr Paul Swain, who, after leaving the Labour Party, found something possibly more valuable to do, and that is represent the Crown in the settlement of historical grievances, i.e., the Ngati Porou one. We acknowledge his presence. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EWe also have in the audience some survivors of Te Rua Tekau m\u0101 Waru, the 28th M\u0101ori Battalion, and we also have a host of other soldiers who have been down in the dugouts, and from time to time people have tried to dispatch them to the latrines. I think here of Api Mahuika. T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Api. Your task must not go unmentioned, and your record must not go unmentioned as we give our speeches. Unfortunately for those of you who reach those heady heights in our iwi affairs, your good works do not go unpunished, but we acknowledge your presence here today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ENgati Porou produced someone whom a number of us M\u0101ori members regard as the most peerless of all M\u0101ori parliamentarians, Sir Apirana Ngata. It was he who, during the 1937 debate over the ownership of petroleum\u2014if memory serves me correctly\u2014advocated very strenuously that there was a M\u0101ori interest in that resource. I rather suspect, as the iwi go forward and turn this settlement into an enduring legacy, that those are the kinds of challenges that the stewards of this settlement will face: how to strike a balance between an opportunity of economic significance, the maintenance of cultural heritage, and also the safeguard of environmental standards. The reality is that as a consequence of the passage of the Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill in this House, both sides, working with the Crown, are watching a capital transfer take place. Whether it be in the form of commercial redress, cultural sites, reserves, or, indeed, the actual recognition of interests in the takutai moana, we are seeing something historic today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E There is not a great deal that we can add, more than the fact that it is our duty as M\u0101ori parliamentarians to bear witness and testimony to this, so that when others follow on behind us they can be reminded that each generation of iwi leaders, each generation of Crown Ministers, and each generation of M\u0101ori parliamentarians have to make their contribution. Those contributions are defined by the challenges of the time, and the challenge of the time for this settlement process has been that it is not possible for current generations of taxpayers in our system, either of society or politics, to meet the full cost and weight of colonialism that fell upon this particular iwi. Dare I say it, that this is an iwi that has given long and valuable service to their fellow New Zealanders, whether it is the M\u0101ori Pioneer Battalion, Te Hoko whitu a T\u016B; the famous 28th M\u0101ori Battalion; or their contributions throughout the theatres of war around the world. Indeed, I bump into a number of them on a regular basis at the Manurewa RSA. I shall be encouraging them to go home and get their fair share of the spoils. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThis is a day where we should have an element of sadness for those who have gone on, but an element that defines our M\u0101ori personality as being appropriately light-hearted. Because what the task ahead represents for those of us who have a life inside M\u0101ori politics, whether it is in Parliament or out, is that the real challenge lies in ensuring not so much that the assets are managed well, but that they are grown. To seize growth opportunities is always going to involve haggling, compromise, and a clear plan that enables people to dedicate their capital, but also finds a balance to protect heritage. Nowhere will we find finer carved meeting houses\u2014wharemoko\u2014than on Tai R\u0101whiti. Nowhere will we find land that stretches from the mountain right down to the takutai moana than the Tai R\u0101whiti. Nowhere will we find people who are very proud of their Ngati Porou ancestry, and never shirk from reminding you of how proud they are! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EKa nui \u0113nei k\u014Drero ki t\u0113nei reo P\u0101keh\u0101, me mihi atu au ki a t\u0101tou i roto i t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare; kia kaha, kia \u016B, kia manawanui. N\u0101 koutou i whakawerawera kia tutuki pai ai ng\u0101 w\u0101hanga i whiwhi ai koutou, ng\u0101 mihi. Ng\u0101 w\u0101hanga horekau i whakaaengia me whakah\u0113 atu i a Robert Wahawaha McLeod i te kore o Hone i puta i t\u0113nei r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[I have spoken enough in English. I acknowledge us in our House; be strong, be committed, be stout-hearted. You put the effort in to get the parts that you gained well\u2014congratulations. The blame for the parts not agreed upon must be with Robert Wahawaha McLeod for Hone not making it today.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThey have had a number of fine negotiators, and one that I should mention is Robert McLeod, who, I am told, unfortunately could not make it; Whaimutu Dewes, working with Api Mahuika; and all their supporters, because it has not been easy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EKia tau ng\u0101 manaakitanga ki a koutou, e \u014Dku hu\u0101nga, tu\u0101kana, t\u0113ina i roto i Te Tai R\u0101whiti. N\u0101, i roto i te pono o te ng\u0101kau, te manawa roa, te whakawerawera ka tutuki te r\u014Danga ake o ng\u0101 moemoe\u0101 me ng\u0101 t\u016Bmanako. Ko t\u0101 m\u0101tou he tautoko i a koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[Look after yourselves, my relatives, elder and younger siblings, living down the East Coast. Long-term dreams and aspirations will result through faith, resilience, and effort. Our part is to support you. Congratulations and salutations to you and us collectively.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u00225caf731ce15848c08813b798784e652d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225caf731ce15848c08813b798784e652d\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I too stand to acknowledge the people of Ngati Porou, and especially those who have travelled from Tai R\u0101whiti and are here in the galleries today to listen to this the third reading of the Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill. I acknowledge them, and all of those from Ngati Porou who have worked so very hard to make this day possible. I acknowledge the many Ngati Porou who are no longer with us who provided leadership and inspiration to Ngati Porou negotiators and their people. In saying this, I too want to refer to the great Sir Apirana Ngata, who was such a distinguished member of this House, and I am sure he would be very, very pleased to see the third and final reading of this bill. I also want to mention Sir Henry Ngata, who died only recently. Some years ago, shortly before his death, I was in Gisborne on a hui to deal with the foreshore and seabed legislation, and I will never forget his presence\u2014his overwhelming presence\u2014and his utterly principled position on that particular topic. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe Ngati Porou negotiators have done Ngati Porou proud. Throughout their dealings with the Crown they have conducted themselves with honour, with dignity, even in very difficult times. I am so very pleased that many of you are able to be here today to witness your Treaty settlement passing into law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThis bill settles the Treaty grievances of Ngati Porou. In the bill, the Crown formally acknowledges its breaches of the Treaty, offers an apology, and provides cultural, financial, and commercial redress. The people of Ngati Porou have waited a very long time for this day. After many years of preparation, formal negotiations began in 2008. The Crown recognised the mandate of te r\u016Bnanga in April of that year. Negotiations with Te Haeata\u2014the negotiation\u2019s subcommittee of te r\u016Bnanga\u2014commenced in July 2008. A non-binding, high-level agreement outlining key elements of financial and commercial redress was signed by the Crown and Ngati Porou on 23 October 2008. After a period of robust negotiations a deed was initialled in October 2010. During November and December of that year te r\u016Bnunga undertook a ratification process for the deed, and the proposed post-governance entity. The work of the negotiators was acknowledged and endorsed by the people. Those who voted, voted overwhelmingly to ratify the settlement. The Crown and Ngati Porou signed a deed of settlement on 22 December 2010, and since then both parties have worked together constructively as their legislation has been progressed. The passage of this bill is the final step, which will enable the Crown to provide settlement redress to Ngati Porou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI know that most of the elected representatives of the governance entity are here today. I know you have achieved a lot, including your inaugural AGM in February this year, and I wish you very well in your endeavours. The people have put their faith and trust in you, and I am confident you are going to do what is best for the iwi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe historical grievances relate primarily to the Crown\u2019s failure to honour its Treaty promise to respect Ngati Porou rangatiratanga over their own affairs. The Crown imposed land tenure reform on Ngati Porou, which deprived iwi members of collective control over their land and made it difficult to use their land for economic development. This has helped make the East Coast one of the most socioeconomically deprived regions of New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E Despite the Crown\u2019s failure to honour its Treaty promise, and the resulting deprivations, Ngati Porou have played a very significant role in a number of aspects of New Zealand\u2019s life. One aspect in particular I want to mention is the long and proud record of service in New Zealand\u2019s defence. This has not come without very tragic consequences. The immediate and long-term consequences for Ngati Porou of the Second World War were that every Ng\u0101ti Porou wh\u0101nau had members who either did not return home, or returned badly scarred by their war service overseas. Some family names, and even family lines, no longer exist because the last representative died as a result of the war. This resulted in the loss of many present and future Ngati Porou leaders. On behalf of all New Zealanders, I thank Ngati Porou for the sacrifices they have made for our country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe bill gives effect to the undertakings by the Crown in the deed. The reconciliation redress includes an agreed historical account, the Crown acknowledgments and apology, and the naming of New Zealand Defence Force scholarships in higher defence training awarded to people of Ngati Porou descent. The cultural redress package includes the vesting of sites of cultural and historical significance, and a strategic partnership with the Department of Conservation over specific public conservation lands within the Ngati Porou area of interest. I am very pleased also that as Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage, I can say that we are working together with Ngati Porou on the long-overdue M\u0101ori Battalion museum in Gisborne. In that respect, I acknowledge that wonderful New Zealander\u2014I would have to say after Parekura Horomia, and I had better say Hekia Parata, my favourite \u201CNgati Porouvian\u201D\u2014Nolan Raih\u0101nia, a young member of C Company who fought for his country in several theatres of war, came back to New Zealand, made his contribution, and is now the esteemed chair of the r\u016Bnanga. There is also redress designed to facilitate good working relationships between Ngati Porou and the Crown, and that includes protocols with Government departments, a letter of commitment with Archives New Zealand, the National Library, and Te Papa Tongarewa to facilitate the care and management of Ngati Porou taonga, and a commitment by the Crown and Ngati Porou to develop a relationship accord to work together to address contemporary issues within the rohe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThen there is the financial settlement of $110 million, comprising $90 million in financial and commercial redress, and $20 million in cultural and historical redress, and redress over Crown properties, including licensed forest land. Mr Shane Jones said it so well\u2014and I have said it at other times during the day\u2014redress can never fully compensate for what has been lost, but, having acknowledged that, the settlement given effect by this bill will provide Ngati Porou with a platform for future growth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThere are so many people who have contributed to this settlement over the years. I acknowledge the contributions by my predecessor Dr Michael Cullen to the early stages of the negotiations. I of course acknowledge Mr Horomia, who as I have said in other debates is always so helpful to have a quiet chat to about issues. I also acknowledge my ministerial colleagues, in particular the Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs, the Minister of Conservation, and the Minister for Land Information. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the valuable support and contribution made by the work of many Government officials and departments who contributed to this settlement. I particularly want to place on record the wonderful work by Paul Swain, who was my Crown negotiator. He did such a wonderful job that he has been press-ganged into other negotiations. Most important, I want to acknowledge the hard work and commitment of Ngati Porou, particularly those from Te Haeata who negotiated this settlement. I particularly mention my other favourite \u201CNgati Porouvian\u201D, Dr Apirana Mahuika. In fact, I should have mentioned him earlier, and I apologise. He is a great New Zealander. I have known him for over 20 years and I always enjoy working with him. The dedication and determination of the negotiators has been absolutely vital in the path towards achieving settlement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ESo I wish Ngati Porou all the very best. I acknowledge, of course, when I look at today\u2019s Order Paper and see item 53, Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill, that we have some unfinished business. I think my first task after becoming Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations was to have to tell Dr Mahuika and the team that this bill would have to be put on hold while we looked at the foreshore and seabed legislation, but members of the iwi will be pleased to know that we have had a number of meetings. The new legislation has been passed, and it is my sincere hope and, indeed, expectation that this legislation will be progressed in the very, very near future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ESo congratulations once again. Thank you to those who have made such a significant contribution. I look forward to seeing Ngati Porou continue to grow and develop and make those wonderful contributions to the country in the years to come.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u0022bedf381da08b4fc4b5342269793a1715\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bedf381da08b4fc4b5342269793a1715\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour\u2014Hauraki-Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. T\u0113nei e t\u0101piri atu i aku mihi ki \u0113r\u0101 i waihotia i mua i te aroaro ki a koutou Ng\u0101ti Porou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Ki ng\u0101 kaum\u0101tua, ng\u0101 whaea, ng\u0101 kuia, koutou katoa e h\u0101pai nei i tenei o ng\u0101 hiahia, kia tutuki pai t\u0113nei ker\u0113me, ka nui te mihi atu.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E[Greetings to you collectively. I add my acknowledgments to those placed before you, Ngati Porou; salutations and acknowledgments to you. I congratulate you, elders, aunts, old women\u2014indeed, all of you who elevated the notion that these aspirations in respect of this claim be achieved well.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIt gives me great pleasure to be able to join with speakers before me and support the third reading of the Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill. I was thinking in some regards as to how to approach this speech today because we have had four preceding settlements, and the hope and opportunity that comes from a settlement process is very real. But we are having a very different conversation here with Ngati Porou because this settlement is, in part, a continuation of a conversation and a relationship that has been well established. This is a sophisticated, smart, and strategic settlement in that not all the issues for Ngati Porou have been resolved. So it will lock future Governments into a continued relationship of having to work with Ngati Porou to achieve the best outcomes in that area. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI was reminded of some sage advice that was given to me by a kaum\u0101tua when I came into Parliament. He said to me: \u201CRemember, k\u014Dtiro, when you get up and speak on a kaupapa that is a M\u0101ori kaupapa, you must be able to whakapapa to that kaupapa.\u201D Do not get up and say something if you do not know anything about it\u2014that is what he was telling me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI thought that on this particular issue the footprints of Ngati Porou have definitely left a deep impression on contemporary New Zealand history. When I think about that I think about the bust that is at the front of the Grand Hall, and as you walk past that bust you cannot help, as a parliamentarian and certainly as a M\u0101ori parliamentarian, to be inspired by the leadership of Apirana Ngata and what he sought to achieve in his lifetime. I make mention of that particular point in history because were it not for Apirana Ngata and his relationship with Te P\u016Bea, I am sure our fate may have been very different. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI want to highlight three important strategic and significant contributions of Ngati Porou that have endured to this day and have certainly left an impression with my people. Firstly, there is the contribution of the 28th M\u0101ori Battalion and that legacy of being a proud fighting people, and being able to contribute towards the effort to preserve and protect who we are as a country, as a nation, for the benefit of our people and our citizens here in Aotearoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThe other contribution was really in my mind where T\u0101 Apirana Ngata had a deep impact on Te P\u016Bea, my ancestor, and that was around land development. I mentioned earlier that we are having a very different conversation with Ngati Porou because, unlike many other iwi, they do know what it is to develop their lands, have an economic base, and look after their own people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThe third important contribution was in the area of cultural restoration\u2014our language and our taonga. We see very much in the components of this settlement those significant historical contributions being reflected in this settlement. That is why it is a sophisticated, strategic settlement, in my mind, and I am sure a lot of iwi will be looking at how they realise the gains from it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EBut here it is at a fine point. In Ngata\u2019s relationship with Te P\u016Bea, he impressed on Waikato the importance of self-sustainability through land development. Indeed, my father used to holiday in Waiuku, in one of those places where Te P\u016Bea was trying to get land development back under Ngata\u2019s times, in the late 1920s, and my dad can remember going to the farm that he worked on, that Ngata and Te P\u016Bea had established. The other part was the importance of strategic political relationships. It would be true to say from our telling of history that Te P\u016Bea\u2019s own relationship, certainly with the powers that be of the day, were reinforced because of her personal relationship with Ngata, and it endured beyond their personal relationship. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThe third really important element was education. Many other iwi can tell this story, but I think Ngati Porou tells it particularly well, and that story is about the importance of education underpinning successful and enduring leadership for the future, and that, in itself, I think, is a huge legacy. Prior to Te P\u016Bea\u2019s relationship with Ngata, there was a huge campaign against going to schools, because of our experience during the 1860s, and it was only with the relationship with Ngata that Te P\u016Bea embraced the fruits of education. Indeed, had that not happened, my father would not have been sent to Mount Albert Grammar School. So I do have a lot to be grateful for in terms of Ngati Porou\u2019s legacy of leadership and how it has impacted on me, and that is really how I whakapapa to the conversation that is being continued here today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThis is a great settlement, in my view. There are real opportunities for other iwi to learn from what can be achieved in areas like the letter of commitment and what is being tried around the cultural redress aspects of it. I look forward to the realisation of what I am sure will be a dynamic regrouping of Ngati Porou histories, traditions, and taonga in some very unique ways for the benefit of future generations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThe other, I guess, innovation that through the Treaty settlement process was something we grappled with was that because the direct negotiation process cut across the Waitangi Tribunal hearing phase, and hearings were suspended, throughout the submission process we pointed to the airing of grievances opportunity, and how very real it is for iwi and people who have a historical grievance to tell their story. This is a particular innovation that has not been seen in any other settlement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI certainly want to highlight that throughout the hearing of submissions it was very important, in some shape or form, to give some prominence to people being able to air their own particular grievances, so that their history could be told. Far be it from me to say the level of hurt that was felt during the submission process; I am only highlighting, really, that this is an innovation, and could be one that could endure going forward, as well, for other settlement models. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThe other unique innovation, I think, which really ties again to how strategic Ngati Porou is, around the skills value-add that they can derive from the Crown, is in these unique Defence Force scholarships. We all know in our own iwi that we would love to take those 10 percent of my cousins who may not do so well at school, but could do really well in the police force and the defence forces; and opportunities like these, I think, will be looked at very keenly, to see whether they can afford more tangible ways of turning lives round but making a great contribution to our country, and producing great leaders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI want to thank the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, and former Ministers from Ngati Porou, who all had a hand in this in one way or another, I am sure, for presenting this kind of a settlement to the House. It is an important day today but, as I say, we are at a different part of the conversation with Ngati Porou, as a Parliament, from where we are with some other iwi. What we need to be able to say and promote\u2014n\u0101 te mea, \u0113hara te k\u016Bmara e k\u014Drero m\u014D t\u014Dna ake reka [however, it is not for the sweet potato to say how tasty it is]\u2014is that where there are exemplars, we should be embracing and pushing and ensuring that they can continue to be exemplars. Where there are issues where lessons can be learnt, let us share that experience so we do not recreate the wheel. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EHe iti noa t\u0113nei n\u0101ku, hei tuitui ki te wh\u0101riki k\u014Drero i waihotia i mua i te aroaro. N\u014D reira, ki a koutou katoa i t\u0113nei w\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora mai t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E[This contribution from me is but a small one to be woven into the fabric of the contributions put before you. Therefore, acknowledgments, salutations, and congratulations to you and to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022 data-id=\u0022c201428c767b457a823711004c2d9ed9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c201428c767b457a823711004c2d9ed9\u0022\u003EDENISE ROCHE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. Ki ng\u0101 tangata whenua o Ngati Porou te r\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the local people of Ngati Porou, fond greetings, acknowledgments, and salutations indeed to all of you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EThe Green Party recognises that this is an extremely important moment in your long and vibrant history within Te Tai R\u0101whiti and Aotearoa. We recognise the sense of achievement that must accompany what is a significant settlement for this iwi. Like our colleagues across the House, we wish to acknowledge the people who have worked on this settlement, the people from Ngati Porou, the people from the Crown and the Waitangi Tribunal, and all those who for generations have contributed time and effort and their stories and their lives to creating this bill, the Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill, today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EWe know the redress that is needed in the rohe, and that Ngati Porou have many plans and dreams that are coming closer to fruition. We have to place on record our concerns about the cross-claimants who have spoken to us of their marginalisation from this claim process. We cannot ignore them, and we have stood in this House to support this settlement. We have also stood in this House to support their right to challenge and to be heard. It is the Crown processes that divide and manipulate, but there is no escaping the contradictions. So, hard as it is, we think it is important to acknowledge the issues and not pretend that the processes the Crown dictates have advantaged the smaller natural groups of self-determining hap\u016B. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EHowever, having said that, I need to return to the reasons for this claim. It may not be the same story as the raupatu in Taranaki or the theft that occurred in Waikato, which is where I come from, but each claim tells its own extraordinary story of the mechanics and the strategies of the mutating virus of colonisation in achieving access to land and resources from ng\u0101 tangata whenua o Aotearoa. The Crown compulsorily acquired land from Ngati Porou on more than 2,000 occasions. That is a simple statement, really, but actually it is about 2,000 incidents of outrage, dispossession, and damage. That is what is being recognised today, and that is what is being addressed in part. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EMy colleague Catherine Delahunty, who could not be here today, explained in her speech in the first reading of this bill that she saw at first hand that damage that continues, when she was a beneficiary advocate at Ruat\u014Dria. She explained that on one of the trips to Ruat\u014Dria they were invited to stay the night at Wai\u014Dmatatini by descendants of your great ancestor Sir Apirana Ngata. She described sleeping in the corner of the room of that remarkable house, from that remarkable wh\u0101nau, and looking out over the river flats and imagining the leader coming home from Parliament, tired from the battle for the best interests of his own people. And so it has continued. So you have continued. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EThe settlement is worth $110 million and 6,000 hectares, plus cultural redress and recognition across Ngati Porou rohe. It is the second-largest single deal in the history of Treaty settlements, and I agree with what my esteemed colleague Nanaia Mahuta has just said about the importance of the historical strategic alliances that have been built up over the many decades. There are many ideas and plans to use this wisely in support of the people. We look forward to those benefits being available at last to the people in the broken houses in Tokomaru and the people who are jobless beneficiaries without transport, credit, or opportunities in the back country between Te Puia and the cape. My colleague Catherine Delahunty met many of these people as an advocate, and they are still rich in culture and rich in te reo, language, and history. But they did not have the same material privilege that many of us, and in fact many of us here in this House, take for granted. They did not have their young people, who were mainly away working, the elders, and the very young. They want their community back, and they want it to be a shared well-being. My best wishes and our best wishes go to them all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003ENgati Porou is a magnificent country, and we acknowledge that some signed the Treaty and some felt no need, but my wish is that this somewhat controversial but very hard-won agreement will enhance the whenua, protect the moana, and restore the wairua of the people. We congratulate you. We wish you well, and we will be supporting this bill. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022a00ee339f5e745cbb186d40a12361170\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a00ee339f5e745cbb186d40a12361170\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Police):\u003C/span\u003E I feel privileged to stand here in this House today as the MP for East Coast for the third reading of the Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill. The territory covered by this bill is the area from P\u014Dtikirua Point to the place of the stone in the centre of the T\u016Branganui River, which runs through the centre of Gisborne and forms a large part of the diverse East Coast electorate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThis is a unique day in Parliament, and I think it is fitting, then, that Ngati Porou form part of this very unique experience. As I look around the gallery I see many, many familiar faces who have made the trip down from Tai R\u0101whiti to celebrate this third reading and the closure of one part of the Ngati Porou story today. Can I acknowledge Dr Apirana Mahuika sitting up there. Can I acknowledge His Worship the Mayor Meng Foon\u2014I see him in the gallery\u2014and his councillor Bill Burdett. But there are many, many more up there, and, of course, they bring with them the spirits of those who have gone before, who would have loved to be here today to celebrate the settlement of this Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003ENgati Porou is the second-largest iwi in New Zealand, with 72,000 members, 58 hap\u016B, and 48 marae, and they are spread far and wide. Many of them make it here to Parliament, and we are pleased to have them. In fact, I was in Christchurch last year, following the earthquake, meeting with some Ng\u0101i Tahu there and talking about how we would be helping them with some of the k\u014Dhanga reo that had been badly damaged in the earthquake. They informed me that there were more Ngati Porou living in Christchurch than there were up on the East Coast. I do not know whether that is correct, but it does indicate the difficulties of the area that we all come from, which is quite remote in New Zealand. The last couple of weeks have shown us just how remote we are, when first we lose our roads and then we lose our rail. But I admire Ngati Porou for recognising what could be a disconnect between some of their people. Of course, the iwi themselves recognise ahi k\u0101, the people who remain at home, and Ngati Porou kei te whenua, those who reside outside of the tribal lands and are seeking to make their way in the world. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003ENgati Porou has a proud history of working with the Crown to preserve the New Zealand way of life. Many Ngati Porou fought in World War II in the M\u0101ori Battalion. Ng\u0101rimu VC, the first M\u0101ori New Zealander awarded a Victoria Cross, was, of course, of Ngati Porou descent. And their spirit lives on not just in the stories and the recognition of their valour but also in the Ng\u0101rimu VC and 28th (M\u0101ori) Battalion Memorial Scholarship Fund Board. I had the privilege to chair that board for 3 years as the Minister of Education. We worked hard to embody the mana and the tikanga, despite some very rigid legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EWhen I read this not insubstantial bill here on the Table of the House, for me there are one or two paragraphs that stand out that I would like to read: \u201CThe Crown acknowledges that, despite Ngati Porou fulfilling its Treaty obligations, the Crown has breached the Treaty of Waitangi and its principles in a number of respects. The Crown also acknowledges that, despite Ngati Porou\u2019s significant contribution to New Zealand, it has failed to address the longstanding grievances of Ngati Porou in an appropriate manner, and that recognition of Ngati Porou grievances is long overdue.\u201D For me, that embodies the work that has gone in over the years to bring us to this point. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThere is one other part that I want to read out. It was interesting that my colleague Nanaia Mahuta referred to education and Ngati Porou, because there is a paragraph here where the Crown \u201Cacknowledges the significant harm Ngati Porou children suffered by being punished for speaking their own language in Crown-established schools for many decades. It also acknowledges that the education system historically had low expectations for Maori academic achievement, and that the educational achievements of students in East Coast schools have lagged well behind those of other New Zealand children.\u201D We all wish that that story could have changed throughout New Zealand, because I believe, after 3 years as Minister of Education, that there still are low expectations for M\u0101ori children in our schools. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EHowever, I believe that what Ngati Porou have done with education reflects their long struggle and their long focus on the way ahead for their people. In particular, can I acknowledge Dr Apirana Mahuika, who I think is a great leader. He is a man who is constantly looking forward at how he can ensure that Ngati Porou people get the very best out of everything that modern New Zealand has to honour. The education programme that was put into place and overseen by Ngati Porou over the last years has reaped enormous rewards, to the point that when the Education Review Office went in and had a look at those schools last year there was hardly a school that had not made significant improvement in focusing on the achievement of their children. I think that that is a great testament to not only the leadership of the iwi but the commitment of the families, the teachers, and the communities to ensure that every opportunity is given to Ngati Porou children for the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EI am delighted to stand as the local MP to welcome all those who come from Tai R\u0101whiti to this House to celebrate the end of this particular journey, knowing that it is just the beginning of the longer journey in the partnership between the Crown and Ngati Porou. Kia ora t\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022 data-id=\u00228b3489d7c8a2467d96e138a624679e90\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228b3489d7c8a2467d96e138a624679e90\u0022\u003EBRENDAN HORAN (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E New Zealand First asked for these settlement bills to be read in the bright light of day so that all of New Zealand could gain a greater understanding of each grievance and the process, and to witness the settlement. In many settlements, iwi are given land in a ceremonial fashion and then return it. They have been more than reasonable so that awareness is gained, apologies are accepted, and a commitment to move forward into the future is understood and undertaken.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EWe have seen four prior settlements today, and in earlier speeches I have referred to the opportunities afforded iwi with financial settlements. But let no one in this House or anywhere in New Zealand believe that money is being thrown at M\u0101ori. The total amount paid out to all M\u0101ori tribes is not billions; in fact, it pales in significance when compared with asset sales and the $1.7 billion South Canterbury Finance bailout. It may surprise you that the total amount of settlements in the history of New Zealand to date is less than $1 billion; it is $955 million. Having said all of that, I am sure that no one would begrudge a little money going to our East Coast National Provincial Championship team, who, I am told, have endured the presence of Parekura Horomia for many years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EI would like to point out to iwi with new finances that there is a powerful tool on our doorstep that can revolutionise the retraining and upskilling of our people with new skills and competencies. The biggest convergence that the world has ever seen is about to happen, and that is broadband power coming together under the same umbrella as browser ubiquity. That convergence will bring about change in human behaviours in the new education systems related to that convergence. The social infrastructure of wh\u0101nau, hap\u016B, and iwi advantages M\u0101ori for the new broadband literacies that will be required to trade and operate successfully in the new commercial world. I look forward to seeing intergenerational learning, intergenerational caregiving, health, and support systems, and intergenerational and cross-iwi networks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First offers congratulations to Ngati Porou on the culmination of a journey where reparation was first sought during the Muldoon Government. It has been a long, gruelling journey, and there have been many difficulties of varying nature\u2014one being communication because of the relative isolation of what some would say is the most beautiful part of New Zealand. Our East Coast roads are not like the smoothly travelled highways of Auckland, and journeys can often be delayed due to slips, such as the one currently blocking the Waioeka Gorge, which is the main route from Gisborne through to Whakat\u0101ne and on to the port of Tauranga. There is, of course, the coast road, but you only have to see a logging truck coming at you from round a blind bend as you are travelling from T\u014Drere through to Te Kaha to know how scary that can be. I know the East Coast well through my fishing and surfing sojourns, as I grew up in Whakat\u0101ne, but if you have never been on this stretch of coastline, you are missing out. It is amazing, and you only have to see the children fishing, gathering kai moana, and riding horses around bareback to know what a special place and what a special piece of country this is, and also a slice of Kiwi life that is precious. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EAnother major challenge for Ngati Porou was the cost of World War II\u2014the shocking loss of so many promising young M\u0101ori from the 28th Battalion, or the M\u0101ori Battalion. This war deprived Ngati Porou of many future leaders, who gave their lives for our country so far away from their East Coast shores. In 2008 I had the privilege to be present at Te Poho-o-R\u0101wiri Marae for the launch of the book on C Company written by Monty Soutar. It is a wonderful account of the mana of Ngati Porou and the soldiers of the M\u0101ori Battalion. Modern New Zealanders know of Corporal Apiata VC, but I want every member in this House to remember the peerless hero of the M\u0101ori Battalion, Ngati Porou\u2019s warrior son, Te Moananui-a-kiwa Ngarimu VC, and let no one doubt the ethic of service that this tribe has shown to fellow New Zealanders. And it was the giant of all M\u0101ori parliamentarians, Sir Apirana Ngata, who characterised the efforts of his tribe and the battalions as being the price of citizenship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EI would like to remind us that this tribe not only have affection for their land but they have a mighty river, the Waiap\u016B. Settlements are not only about economic opportunity but a chance to improve M\u0101ori participation in natural resource management. I look forward to the implementation of the vision and strategies that Ngati Porou leaders have for their tribe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003ENgati Porou are no strangers to New Zealand First. [Interruption] I am listening to my fellow members, and in keeping with their encouragement to be modest\u2014and like the k\u016Bmara that never boasts of its sweetness\u2014we are proud to support the elders, the chiefs, and all the leadership in their strategies to lead the tribe forward, to benefit not only Ngati Porou but the entire East Coast and the greater New Zealand. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022 data-id=\u002297e90318386246fdaf2b36309146ead2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002297e90318386246fdaf2b36309146ead2\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Ko Hikurangi te maunga, ko Waiap\u016B te awa, ko Ngati Porou te iwi. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E[Hikurangi is the mountain, Waiap\u016B is the river, and Ngati Porou are the people. Greetings and acknowledgments to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI am extremely proud to be a member of this House on this historic day of the passing into law of the Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill. This bill recognises and addresses those grievances and settles the historical Treaty of Waitangi claims of Ngati Porou, which are significant and longstanding. The historical grievances are the direct result of the Crown\u2019s failure to respect Ngati Porou\u2019s rangatiratanga. The Crown-imposed significant land tenure reform on Ngati Porou has meant that the East Coast does remain one of the most socioeconomically deprived regions of New Zealand, despite the significant efforts and achievements of the people and the r\u016Bnanga of Ngati Porou thus far. Although it is not possible to fully compensate Ngati Porou for the losses and grievance suffered, as the Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs has said, the redress in this bill seeks to recognise the longstanding cultural and spiritual association that Ngati Porou has within our region. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EThis Treaty settlement is\u2014in true Ngati Porou style\u2014innovative, strategic, and at all times carried out with the famous Ngati Porou modesty. It includes the vesting of sites of cultural and historical significance, a strategic partnership over public conservation lands, a financial settlement, a relationship accord between Ngati Porou and the Crown, and much more. But as others have done, I want to particularly mention the inclusion of recognition of Ngati Porou\u2019s military service. No family has been left untouched by the enormous contribution Ngati Porou men and women have made to the military efforts of Aotearoa, and I want to acknowledge them today. But what we must ensure is that these strategic relationships and partnerships are real and enduring and that they do not disappear or fade away after an initial burst of enthusiasm on behalf of the Crown and its entities. But I am confident that the Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill will provide the base for a continuing productive and mutually respectful relationship with the Crown. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the work of Te Haeata, the subcommittee responsible for the supervision of negotiations, and the work of the negotiating team. Te Haeata is, indeed, an appropriate name, given the new dawn this Treaty settlement heralds for the people of Ngati Porou, and I look forward to the continuing cultural and economic renaissance of Ngati Porou following this settlement. It is important to acknowledge the work of Te R\u016Bnanga o Ngati Porou thus far. As part of the post-settlement process, the r\u016Bnanga will also pass over $50 million worth of agricultural, social, and cultural assets built up from practically nothing over the last 25 years. Collectively these assets already employ 300 people in our region. And as a scientist, I welcome the work that is under way on post-settlement initiatives. These will potentially include, firstly, a science, technology, and innovation unit to work with universities to find more efficient and profitable ways of managing farms, aquaculture and fisheries, and to turn round the historical relative underperformance of M\u0101ori assets. M\u0101ori in general and Ngati Porou in particular have found it very difficult to access mainstream research funding from central government. Government science and innovation strategy documents do not acknowledge the particular needs and interests of the M\u0101ori economy. Changes need to be made to ensure M\u0101ori applicants\u2019 equitable access to mainstream science and innovation funding, not just small carved-off specialist pots of money. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EThey also potentially include the development of a science syllabus, which will prepare students for work for the tribe in the future. They include the establishment of a school of excellence focused on tikanga and reo and an associated sporting academy. And they include housing and alternative education initiatives. These are all initiatives that will make a significant difference to the economy and to the people of Ngati Porou. I note that an online poll on the www.tehaeata.co.nz website shows that 74 percent of respondents said employment should be the priority for Ngati Porou. So I particularly welcome the comments from the Te R\u016Bnanga o Ngati Porou chairman, Dr Api Mahuika, when he reaffirmed that post-settlement decisions will focus on people, not just the financial bottom line. As we grow our assets and our economic activity, we are going to need the people with the skills to look after those assets. And I could do no better than to read this quote from Dr Mahuika: \u201CWe have to develop ourselves at home because if you can\u2019t keep the home fires burning and if you can\u2019t keep the sentiment of your people and the tikanga that they belong to\u2014then you lose them \u2026 and we don\u2019t want to lose them because they are the repositories of our history, our knowledge, our tikanga and our reo.\u201D Kia ora, uncle. We must do everything we can to give our young people opportunities at home, not in Australia. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI want to mention one last thing. Today is a significant step forward for the relationship between the Crown and Ngati Porou. But that relationship is holistic and not limited solely to Treaty settlement processes. The Crown must treat the relationship as one of ongoing mutual respect in practice as well as in word, and in regard to recent activities and processes embarked upon by the Government in relation to oil and gas exploration off the East Coast, the Crown fell seriously short of its obligation under that relationship. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003ESo it is an honour to speak today. I want to congratulate all those who have worked to get us here today, especially the many who are no longer with us. Today marks a new dawn for the people of Ngati Porou. Kia kaha. Kia manawanui. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Kia ora mai koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022 data-id=\u002246ece8670a40475298fae7cbe8734e17\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002246ece8670a40475298fae7cbe8734e17\u0022\u003EHONE HARAWIRA (Leader\u2014Mana):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. Hoi an\u014D, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa e Ngati Porou, koutou i haere tawhiti mai ki roto i t\u014D t\u0101tau Whare i te r\u0101 nei. Me mihi atu ki a koe e te matua e T\u0101mati, koutou ko ng\u0101 rangatira o t\u014D t\u0101tau ao M\u0101ori i kawe atu i te aroha ki te wh\u0101nau o te Kingi o Tonga i t\u0113r\u0101 r\u0101. Koutou ko t\u0101 m\u0101tau Minita an\u014D hoki. N\u014D reira, i haere koutou, \u0101, kua hoki mai nei ki roto i a m\u0101tau i te r\u0101 nei. Hari ana te kite i a koe. N\u014D reira, ng\u0101 mihi, ng\u0101 mihi, ng\u0101 mihi ki a t\u0101tau. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. I extend acknowledgments, salutations, and congratulations to all of you of Ngati Porou who travelled from afar to be here in our House today. I acknowledge you, elder T\u0101mati, you and our leaders of M\u0101oridom who accompanied our Minister as well the other day to express our sympathy to the family of the King of Tonga. Your entourage went and has returned today to be with us. How wonderful it is to see you. And so fond salutations three times over to us.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EI was listening to one of the earlier speakers talk about ongoing bills, etc., establishing a lock between the Crown and Ngati Porou\u2014as if anybody from any other tribe thinks that Ngati Porou has not already got a lock on the Government. Hekia on that side, Parekura on this side, my whanaunga up there Stephen \u012Ahaka wanting to put his hand up for the Greens, is it, Stephen? And I understand Herewini is wanting to stand for United Future. Me mihi atu. I do not think you are going to lose any relationship with the Government there, Api. Your situation is safe for many generations to come.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EHoi an\u014D, hara i te mea kia \u2019hakapau k\u014Drero i te mea m\u014Dhio ana au kei konei a Parekura me Hekia hei whakaoti i w\u0101 t\u0101tau kaupapa i te r\u0101 nei. N\u014D reira, me mihi atu ki a koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E[However, it is not because to continue talking is a waste of words, but rather because I am aware that Parekura and Hekia will cover our matter off today. So I am merely acknowledging your presence.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EJust one thing. Parekura promised me when I came into the House that if I supported this Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill right to the end he would ensure that I got a bach in Tolaga Bay. I came into the House today to ask him whether or not that clause is in the bill and he said: \u201CI think some of my relations have put a casino there already.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EHoi an\u014D, hari ana au kia tae mai me te m\u014Dhio an\u014D hoki koutou, \u2019hakoa ng\u0101 piki, ng\u0101 heke i roto i a m\u0101tau, i roto i t\u0113nei Whare, e t\u016B kotahi ana ng\u0101 mema M\u0101ori hei tautoko i te kaupapa, kia whakahokia ng\u0101 mana ki ng\u0101 iwi. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora t\u0101tau katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E[However, it pleases me to be here. You need to be aware as well that despite the ups and downs we experience here amongst ourselves in this House, M\u0101ori members stand as one in supporting policy whereby autonomy is returned to tribes. So salutations, acknowledgments, and good wishes to you collectively and to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022 data-id=\u00224715cbae022b4a349e36245f2a2c1345\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224715cbae022b4a349e36245f2a2c1345\u0022\u003EHon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E Ko Hikurangi te maunga, ko Waiap\u016B te awa, ko Ngati Porou te iwi wh\u0101nau rua. Te rere haere atu te awa o Uawa, e tae kaha i te moutere o Pourewa. I reira k\u0113 e t\u016B atu te waka o Hinematioro. E whakahoki atu te kitenga o Te Whakat\u0101tare, ki te whare o Ruakapanga i te taenga o Te Kani, peka ana ki te w\u0101nanga o Te R\u0101wheoro ng\u0101 karangatanga o Rangiuia, tihei mauri ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EE mihi kau ana i a koutou, ng\u0101 koroua, ng\u0101 kuia o te k\u0101inga, mai i Tikirau ki Te Toka-\u0101-Taiau. E rekareka atu i te kite atu i a koutou e tae atu i konei m\u014D te oti pai nei. Ahakoa ng\u0101 piki ng\u0101 heke. E whai atu, e whai kaha atu koutou. E m\u014Dhio atu t\u0101tau m\u014D r\u0101tau e rere atu, e kore e konei. Ahakoa e kore e konei, e m\u014Dhiotia atu ko w\u0113tahi o r\u0101tau, he mahi wh\u0101rikitia m\u014D t\u0113nei otinga. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003ETe p\u0101p\u0101 e Apirana t\u0113n\u0101 koe. T\u0101 T\u0101mati, e mihi kau ana. Ki a koutou o ng\u0101 tokotoru tapu e noho i mua r\u0101, a te p\u0101p\u0101 a Barlow, Uncle Noel, T\u0101te, e tino mihi atu i a koutou. T\u0101hia koutou. He whakaaro m\u014D r\u0101tau, e kore e konei. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tau. E Ming, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. He nui atu o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero m\u014D ng\u0101 Hainamana e tae atu i konei i tango whenua. Kaua koe e haere kaha atu i reira. E Herewini, ana koutou katoa. He tino kaha atu koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E[Hikurangi is the mountain, Waiap\u016B is the river, and Ngati Porou is the tribe on both sides of the family. The canoe sails on the Uawa River. It reaches Pourewa Island, where Hinematioro\u2019s canoe was. When Te Kani arrived, Te Whakat\u0101tare was taken back to the house of Ruakapanga and then went to Te R\u0101wheoro, the traditional school of learning; to the descendants of Rangiuia, behold the breath of life. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EI salute you, the elderly men and women from home, from Tikirau to Te Toka-\u0101-Taiau. It is wonderful to see you here for the completion of this bill. You have pursued it with strength. We all know that those who have passed on are no longer with us. Although they are not present, it is well known that they laid the groundwork so that this bill could be finalised. And so I thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003ETo my Uncle Apirana, greetings. Greetings, Sir T\u0101mati. To the sacred trio sitting in the front\u2014Uncle Barlow, Uncle Noel, T\u0101te\u2014I congratulate you. Our thoughts are with those who are no longer with us. And so I salute you. Greetings, Ming. There has been a lot of talk about the Chinese coming here to take land. Do not go there. To Herewini, and to you all, you are all strong. Thank you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThe only thing I ever promised Hone Harawira was a mamae during duck shooting season. [Interruption] And I hope that instead of shooting mallard, they try to shoot him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003ECan I say seriously that this is a wonderful day to celebrate. We have done five settlements today, and it attests to the seriousness that some of us try to ensure is imbued through that great statement of nationhood. I want to recognise the Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs, Dr Sharples, and, especially, Chris Finlayson, the Attorney-General, who defended his right not to say anything yesterday. But I want to thank Chris for his effort, and to remember my colleague Michael Cullen, and Mita Ririnui, and all of those who had something to do with this. I want to especially recognise my very close cousin, who has good blood in her, Hekia Parata, the Minister of Education, and to say that I am very proud of her being Minister of Education, even though at times we may disagree. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThe redress is here. Everybody has read it. There are a whole lot of things in here that will make life better for our people. There certainly have been struggles. One of our t\u016Bpuna\u2014we have a whole lot of chiefs and chieftainesses in Ngati Porou n\u014D Tai R\u0101whiti\u2014was Te Kani-a-Takirau, who was a relation of my tupuna. He was well known. He h\u012Bkoi-ed to P\u016Bkawa in November 1885 to try to ensure that unity was true and proper amongst M\u0101ori leaders. In all that he pervaded over Ngati Porou, he lived with the great people of Hauiti, and I want to remember that today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003ETribes are not too unlike P\u0101keh\u0101 Christian churches. They have the same God and the same goal but they differ at times. And that is what Treaty settlements seem to be, to me. You want a good outcome, and there is a good outcome here for our tribe. I am of Ngati Porou descent, and my nanny said to me when I used to roam around on the road\u2014she was from Te Horo\u2014\u201CWhatever you do, e hoa, don\u2019t tramp on any M\u0101ori\u2019s neck, whether it is down in Te Wai Pounamu or up in Ng\u0101puhi.\u201D I said: \u201CWhy is that, Nan?\u201D. She said: \u201CBecause you might be tramping on your own neck.\u201D Whakapapa is a great thing, as my colleague Nanaia put forward about the mahi between Te P\u016Bea and Apirana Ngata.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EI took umbrage. I have really warmed to the Minister\u2014the Attorney-General, the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations. He said a few great things today about finishing the Maniapoto settlement, building the whare for the 28th M\u0101ori Battalion, and ensuring that the rest of the Ngati Porou settlement will be done in this sitting. I think that is what he was leading up to, and I want to thank him for that, and I look forward to it. He made a bit of a faux pas in suggesting that Ngati Porou were sluggish in economic development. I want to tell you that T\u0101 Apirana was way ahead of his time. He gave Taranaki the first 12 cows. They have forgotten about that now that they are the big shareholders in Fonterra. He built a dairy factory. He was ahead of his time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThen this damn K\u0101wana legislation convinced our people in the late 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s to pack their gear up. I remember being a 5-year-old in 1955, sitting on the post of a cream stand\u2014people do not know what a cream stand is any more\u2014with my nanny, watching the Haengas, the Crawfords, the Tautaus, and the K\u014Dpas pull their houses down. They were going to this faraway land called Wainui\u014Dmata, or Manuwera. It may as well have been New York for us, because we hardly got to go to Tolaga Bay. Our people have been transient. In those 22 years 86 percent of our population left Ngati Porou. I am seeing them going to Aussie now. It is a repeat. But I would suggest to Minister Finlayson do not ever underestimate Ngati Porou\u2019s economic prowess. They held on to their land. They are going forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EI was part of a group who decided to build an abattoir in Ruat\u014Dria, I recall, which Potter Swann designed. Everybody said we were mad. If only we had built that abattoir.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224cc12537e1b642b7b343d42be123bde1\u0022\u003EHone Harawira\u003C/span\u003E: You were mad not to!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208258629eef94d1cb48b51593fb4582c\u0022\u003EHon PAREKURA HOROMIA\u003C/span\u003E: That is right. We had the water. We had worked it all out, and my cousin Martin K\u012Bngi said to me: \u201CBuild the abattoir.\u201D Martin was a bit of a drinker. I think of the people who are not here. I think about Bill Te Kani, and Uncle Noel and my Uncle Hinga, two of the last of the 28th M\u0101ori Battalion. Let it not be said that Ngati Porou have not done their bit to serve their country. H\u014Dnore Chesley had a smile like a million dollars. There are some great people in Ngati Porou. I think of Auntie Gaga and the famed prophet and scholar Koro Dewes, who believed that life began and ended at Whanga\u014Dkena. He was a great, great warrior and a great partner for Uncle Api and them, coming here and finding ways through for this settlement. I think of Maraea-te-Kawa, P\u0113hi Kaa, who has just passed on, Senior Tangaere, Tip T\u0101mae-te-Maro, Tom\u2014all of those people. Auntie Kate I want to mihi to but I do not see her here. And T\u0101 H\u0113nare, who has passed away. To all of the people up in the gallery here, it is great to see you all. This is a good day. Take your time going home, and keep an eye on everything that is going on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EI thought I would use the last minute of my call again. You know, M\u0101ori signed up for forestry plantations at 3 percent. It was a rip-off. It was terrible. They were chased with the Noxious Weeds Act to get rid of the scrub and the gorse. Then all of a sudden there was money allocated from the Government to do forestry. I am not too sure what it does for our people. So I can assure you that the guardians, the r\u016Bnanganui, in charge of this big effort will ensure that the best results, with decent partners, will happen for our people. Let it not be said that we rely on the middle people all the time. I want to say to our leaders quite seriously: trust yourself, your own intellect and intelligence, and believe in the people living there, inside. It is important we get expertise from outside, but not to chastise and control us like lawyers and accountants have done over several years. Let us ensure that we can do that, and make sure that we can leap forward on it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EIt is a great day for Ngati Porou. I am certainly proud to be here with my cousin Hekia. Rino thought she was wearing Ratana colours. I told him \u201CThey\u2019re not Ratana colours; we had those before you.\u201D That is about Hiruh\u0101rama. That is why Whaea Tilly has got the purple on, too. So t\u0113n\u0101 koe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EE mihi kau ana i a koutou katoa e Vic. [I congratulate you all, Vic.] I want to mihi to my whanaunga Heeni, and Maria Whitehead. You have really been consistent, Maria. T\u0113n\u0101 koe. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EPai ana te rangi nei m\u014D t\u0101tau o Ngati Porou. K\u0101re m\u014D te k\u014Drero whakah\u012Bh\u012B, hoki pai ki te k\u0101inga, tukuna, mahi atu te mahi pai m\u014D ng\u0101 uri katoa o t\u0101tau. Kia ora t\u0101tau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E[This is a great day for us of Ngati Porou. We will not speak with arrogance as well, but return home nicely, launch it, and accomplish the positives for all of our kinfolk. Congratulations, everyone.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022 data-id=\u00221a5bf92369e9406ab5a2da276744fab6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221a5bf92369e9406ab5a2da276744fab6\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te Mana Whakahaere, otir\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 tatou katoa e whakawh\u0101iti nei. Ko Hikurangi te maunga, ko Waiap\u016B te awa, ko Ngati Porou te iwi, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E[Greetings to you, Mr Speaker, and, indeed, to all of us packed together here. Hikurangi is the mountain, Waiap\u016B is the river, and Ngati Porou are the people, so salutations, acknowledgments, and greetings to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003ECan I say how proud I am to be standing in the House today in your company and in the company of all our t\u016Bpuna whose presence I feel around us today. I am pleased that we were able to begin this final reading of the Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill with our Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs, and as I rushed in from the airport listening to the speeches and the names on the roll-call of some of the Ngati Porou people who have been attendant upon this claim, I was concerned that I would get here in time and be able to participate in the final passage of this bill. K\u0101tahi nei au ka hoki mai i T\u016Bwharetoa, me ng\u0101 mihi a T\u0101 Tumu me te wh\u0101nau o T\u016Bwharetoa ki a t\u0101tou, m\u014D t\u0113nei r\u0101 whakahirahira.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E[I have just returned from T\u016Bwharetoa with salutations from Sir Tumu and the T\u016Bwharetoa family on this momentous day.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EI would also like to join with the previous speakers in the House from all parties for the sentiments they have expressed, for the ideas that they have canvassed, for the acknowledgments that they have paid to Ngati Porou, and for the recognition of the particular and unique and distinctive contribution that Ngati Porou has made to our nation of Aotearoa New Zealand. We, indeed, do come from a tribe with particular characteristics that are sometimes misunderstood by the rest of the world, and that strengthen all of us no matter what pathway we walk in our lives and no matter what place we occupy at different stages of our lives.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EHe t\u016B whakaiti t\u0113nei ki mua i a koutou, he t\u016B whakah\u012Bh\u012B hoki n\u0101 te mea, he nui ng\u0101 mahi kua mahia e koutou, ng\u0101 kanohi o r\u0101tou kua mene atu ki te p\u014D. Kei te m\u014Dhio t\u0101tou, ehara i te mea, ko koutou anake e waha nei i t\u0113nei kaupapa \u0113ngari, ko ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau, ko ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata, ko ng\u0101 kuia, ko ng\u0101 t\u012Bpuna kua mene atu ki te p\u014D; kei konei tonu r\u0101tou, \u0101, kei waenganui i a t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E[I rise in humility before you, and proudly as well, because much work has been done by you collectively as representatives of those who have gathered in the world of death. We are conscious that it is not just you alone who bear this matter but families, people, elderly men and womenfolk, and ancestors who have assembled in the world of the dead; they are still here, of course, among you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EThis has been a long journey. It has been a long journey, and at different times different people have carried the responsibility of keeping the process going, of keeping the momentum up. It has cost a lot of energy and emotion and time for all of you who have been involved with it. I want to acknowledge all of you who have at different times carried this kaupapa, because it has relied not on one person but on everyone at different stages. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EAlthough it has been in the context of a Treaty settlement where injustices and breaches of relationships and trust have characterised this process, it has nevertheless allowed Ngati Porou to retell our stories to ourselves, to remind ourselves of the narratives that make us who we are, to remind us of the people from whom we are descended, and to remind us of the responsibility that we have to the future. So, as other speakers have remarked, this is, indeed, the end of a particular chapter, but it is a chapter amongst many chapters yet to unfold in the Ngati Porou story, not only of who we are as a people but of the continuing contribution that we can and must continue to make to our Aotearoa New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EWe all of us engaged in this process are nation builders. All iwi across the country have a particular and distinct contribution to make to who we are as a nation, and I am mindful that there have been four other settlements passed in this House today. I think that in going forward the particular things that I am interested in are what we do with this settlement, how we build the strength of Ngati Porou for the future, how we continue to invest in the cultural richness of who Ngati Porou are, and how we ensure that the dialectal richness of our language is imbued in our children and that we do not rely only on the education system to support that. It is not the education system\u2019s language and it is not the Government\u2019s language. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EIf we want te reo o Ngati Porou to be transmitted and transformed and to be part of the language of our children and of our mokopuna, then we have to speak it. It is not the Government that comes to our christenings, or our twenty-firsts, or our weddings, or our tangihanga, or our hura k\u014Dhatu. It is us. It is us who stand on the sidelines and cheer on Ngati Porou East Coast rugby to ever-greater victory. It is us who speak to ourselves about ourselves in our most modest way! It is important that we are able to do that with the full range of the beautiful vocabulary that is part and parcel of who we are as Ngati Porou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003ESo I would hope that we are going to invest our settlement in the growth of that cultural capital as well, because it is through using our language that we carry the full beauty and breadth and depth of the stories of who we are. I would hope that we are going to invest our capital in the growth of our social well-being. Yes, that does include employment. I believe, as I have said, that we do not actually have an unemployment problem; we have a skills-deficit problem. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003ENgati Porou, through its his and her story, has demonstrated its capacity to invest in education, to understand the importance of developing the most potent, the most powerful, the most transformational resource we will ever have, and that is the one between our two ears. It is how we think about ourselves, it is how we process the world around us, and it is how we take the knowledge from the past and create new knowledge, in order to continue the unfolding story of who we are as Ngati Porou and how we contribute that back to Aotearoa New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E So I would hope\u2014and I do not think it is coincidental that I have the honour to stand before you today as our Minister of Education\u2014that we in Ngati Porou will take the opportunity to really invest in growing the educational achievement of Ngati Porou children, wherever they are, kei te k\u0101inga, kei te whenua. It is important that our babies and toddlers go to early childhood education, whether it is playcentre, kindergarten, puna reo, or k\u014Dhanga reo. The fact is that it is important that they go, that they engage in the learning process, they take advantage of Te Wh\u0101riki\u2014the architects of which are in the gallery today\u2014and that they grow and become competent and go on to primary school. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EIt is important that they are then received by teachers who care about their learning, who want to see them progress, and who understand that it is as much about language, identity, and culture as it is about academic achievement. It is important that they then transfer on into secondary school and achieve National Certificate of Educational Achievement (NCEA) level 2. They will then have a meaningful qualification that allows them to have a self-determining life. It would be helpful if you could contribute to our target of 85 percent of all 18-year-olds achieving NCEA Level 2 by 2016. Of course, it would be great if we could have a competition between iwi as to how many more M\u0101ori children we could have successful in our education system, because then they will be self-directing and self-determining in terms of their life choices and their life chances. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EI would hope that with our settlement, as others have said, we invest in the physical assets that are the basis of our rohe, that we grow that with the science and innovation that others have mentioned here, and that we take advantage of the technological opportunities that ultra-fast broadband and the internet give us. I hope that we do all of that with the intelligence and the strategic outlook that others in this House have mentioned tonight, and that we grow the social, economic, and cultural capital of Ngati Porou, not just for Ngati Porou but for the ongoing contribution that has been part and parcel of the way Ngati Porou have participated in the growth of our nation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E As others have said, when I come to the House every day and I pass that bust of Sir Apirana Ngata, I feel motivated and inspired, and I never feel alone, ever, in this place. The weight of expectation of all of you in the gallery, and all whom you represent and reflect from home and from other parts of the country, inspires all of us here\u2014my brother, Parekura, who is obviously focused on what I am saying\u2014in the House, and we are motivated and committed to making a difference. Whether here on this marae or on our marae in Ngati Porou, all of us are responsible for raising the quality of citizenship, for not only paying the price of citizenship, of which Sir Apirana Ngata spoke, but for also receiving the gifts of citizenship that are the reciprocal obligation between the Crown and iwi in the honouring of Te Tiriti o Waitangi and the compact between ourselves. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003ESo I am proud and humbled to be a participant in this chapter of the development of Ngati Porou and of our country. In so doing I would like to acknowledge the Ministers who have made it possible: my colleague the Hon Christopher Finlayson; previous Ministers of Treaty settlements; Dr Michael Cullen; and those Ministers back before them, some of whom have been mentioned in the House today; and, indeed, everyone who has had a hand in this, officials and negotiators, and all of you who have been responsible for bringing to fruition this settlement today. I acknowledge you, I thank you, and I wish you well in turning this chapter into yet a greater saga of development by Ngati Porou for Ngati Porou, and for Aotearoa New Zealand. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EWaiata; karakia\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EWaiata; karakia\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 6.18 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20120329f21121622f89406e9b142ec96219affb000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"