"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00229e1395464f5549f5a2f8f2dbcfeb51eb\u0022\u003EWednesday, 14 November 2012\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002272facda876914d90a6c3144e62d62ce2\u0022\u003EWednesday, 14 November 2012\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000002\u0022\u003EMr Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00224ce9a65204184b95882f137fa7aa72c5\u0022\u003EQuestions for Oral Answer\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c19c31f595c44932b09d8531f4fbb9c1\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224c244e0d3e7c4014becaf142aae3e224\u0022\u003EEconomic Growth and Unemployment\u2014Statistics and Pure Advantage Green Growth Report\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022 data-id=\u00224ac89f71add64eb485d67e0723b26fbf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224ac89f71add64eb485d67e0723b26fbf\u0022\u003EDr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by his statement that the Household Labour Force Survey is \u201Cthe most rigorous form of measuring employment in the economy\u201D; if so, what were the Survey\u2019s results for unemployment for the last four quarters?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022 data-id=\u0022f6eca7afaaf7458a8a4a95f8a080059d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f6eca7afaaf7458a8a4a95f8a080059d\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes. The household labour force survey applies a very rigorous test for whether someone is unemployed. They are counted as unemployed if they are actively looking for as little as 1 hour\u2019s work a week. In the last quarter, for example, that included 33,000 students who were looking for a job, most probably for a part-time job, alongside their study. To the second part of the member\u2019s question, over the last four quarters the number of people unemployed has gone from 151,000 to 171,000, back to 156,000, and up to 170,000. So, as you can see, the numbers bounce around quite a bit. Over the same period the number of people receiving the unemployment benefit has actually dropped, from 56,000 to 50,000.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022152ce0955e2244f88895ea88999cf342\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: Does he now concede that his Government\u2019s economic policies have failed to lower unemployment in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b2d9c0f07170410e9e632519d88466e1\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: No, in the way that it is couched by the member. Obviously, unemployment has risen, but that has to be seen in the context of the overall environment that we have been operating in. We cannot wish away a global financial crisis, but I would just say this. If we were theoretically to follow these policies\u2014an emissions trading scheme that had a major impact on every New Zealand consumer and business, reversing the company tax cut that this Government brought in, putting a levy on every single New Zealand consumer to pay for Christchurch, and a capital gains tax on a quarter of the housing market but on every single business in New Zealand, and we came up with that novel idea of following Zimbabwe and Argentina in printing money\u2014then that would really add to unemployment. By the way, they are the Green Party policies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f5f9252c7cea4bdb80d18ce86dd616e1\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: Why is unemployment growing at more than 1\u00BD times faster in New Zealand than across the average of the OECD over the last 4 years?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c8987b280d0c487b9917c854eecd3ce4\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: At one level, unemployment is coming from a lower base in New Zealand than in a lot of those countries. If you actually go and look at the OECD, most of those countries are above New Zealand in terms of an unemployment rate, and some of them, like Spain, are at very high levels\u201425 percent unemployment overall and 50 percent for young people. So that is one issue that is there. Countries have different ways of measuring things. But all I would say is if you go back to the unemployment benefit numbers and ask the obvious question\u2014what were they in 1999, when the household labour force survey was at 7.3 percent, and what are they today\u2014the answer is that they were 150,000 back then, they are under 50,000 here, and they dropped by about 400 last week, half of which were in Auckland. I might also add that if you were to go and look at the Jobs Online monthly report, you would notice that they increased by 5.6 percent in October alone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267bb4b7b176f4afd8cb69d46c528a94f\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: Is it not the fact that unemployment in New Zealand has grown at 1\u00BD times the average in the OECD over the last 4 years, using the statistics in the household labour force survey, which the Prime Minister told us we should read; and is that not a sign that his economic policies have failed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d2d05e7727c4e58a4fce425a137b512\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: To the last part of the question, no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7208fa502624c0bbe7456681b27b3a4\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister insisting now on using benefit figures rather than the household labour force survey, which he previously described as the most rigorous form of measurement, because, just like Karl Rove on Fox News, he likes to misuse math to make himself feel better?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022808cfa2e4e6d42849c4f91ab7b89d048\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, for one thing, thank goodness David Parker is watching Fox News, because he might learn something, as opposed to that lefty stuff he seems to be embroiled in normally. Secondly, no, I am simply pointing out that the unemployment benefit is another way of looking at the economy, and I think that makes sense. [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002221181667417f42008d0f64f3e1869101\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I have called Dr Russel Norman.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db0b8067296344e58d1614855f2d07d8\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister aware that according to the standardised statistics produced by the OECD, when he came to office New Zealand had the eighth-lowest unemployment in the OECD and it now has the fifteenth-lowest unemployment in the OECD, and that that is a record of failure for his economic policies, even in comparison with all those other countries that he tells us are doing so badly?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022488fd45b35f446acb5af6d7dabe15313\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it is still in the bottom half of those. I would point out that if one was to go and look at the issues that New Zealand faces vis-\u00E0-vis other OECD countries, I would challenge the member to find other countries that would not take New Zealand\u2019s position over theirs. If you look at our country, we have had a global financial crisis and the worst earthquake in a number of generations, and this Government will be back in surplus within a few years\u2019 time. This is a\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225fe625b5fcc44a3d84bc5b8c46178d8e\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: A few years\u2014how many?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1b5752c970a41da967a009e6173a63e\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I still think we are on track for 2014-15, actually. So there are a\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9ee4650b8fd4c5bbcb2e9a273ed02c9\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, still? Make up your mind.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c47c0084eb054594a942ad6dbdf37a5e\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it is not changing my mind, David. You are changing your mind about whether you are challenging the leader or not, but I am certainly not changing my mind. Do not worry, Grant Robertson is supporting you, because he was in the paper yesterday saying he supports David.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223bbdd78b877249beba349e806eca0cc4\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I think that is\u2014[Interruption] Order! I am on my feet. [Interruption] Order! The Speaker is not involved in any of that, so we will not have any of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225f14f3c77cb94bfc88406fc49de7f283\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: In light of the failure of the Government\u2019s economic plan to lower unemployment, will he give renewed consideration to the green growth, green jobs proposals coming from the Pure Advantage group, which includes successful New Zealand business people such as Sir Stephen Tindall, Joan Withers, Jeremy Moon, and Justine Smyth?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228fc0871dd187426397dbb81d34f4511e\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: One thing I will not be doing is ordering up a carbon-neutral printer like that member wants for his printing of money. No, if you go and look at the policies that that member is advocating, it is an emissions trading scheme that goes on every single business, it is reversing the company\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4a26e9bb21c4925b00a4bda0e6696ad\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022869cd9e184bd476e83cd94b77947a0fb\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Members are entitled to raise a point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d0f056855114f7a87772992f374e854\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: The question was not about the policies of the Green Party, even if the Minister failed to actually put them across properly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223627c4630f52464db36118c240a41d14\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Because of the time that has elapsed, I will let the member repeat his question so that members can hear it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ffb5320acc64388a0af432b3b745a42\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: In light of the failure of the Government\u2019s economic plan to lower unemployment, will he give renewed consideration to the green growth, green jobs proposals from the Pure Advantage group, which includes successful New Zealand business people such as Sir Stephen Tindall, Joan Withers, Jeremy Moon, and Justine Smyth?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ac5ce63d9b7464a81f28c44bfd56e8f\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: In terms of the first report, no, but my understanding is that another report is coming that might have some recommendations of interest in it. The Government will look at those. But I go back to the first point: a failure of economic policy in this country would be to reverse the company tax cut that this Government put in, it would be to ban mining and all of the things that this Government is doing to ensure that there is job creation, it would be to put a levy on every single consumer to pay for Christchurch, it would be a capital gains tax on every business in New Zealand, it would be an emissions trading scheme that put every consumer in a worse situation, and it would be printing money so that every New Zealander\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203e9b4a1bbf34195a7de9e4d74eec494\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I think there has been sufficient answer there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022322adbab72cc4bbaa42d0456bd72d2ab\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: In light of the Government\u2019s failure to reduce unemployment, will he seriously consider the business case for New Zealand to embrace green growth and green jobs as advocated by the Pure Advantage group, which includes successful New Zealand business people such as Rob Fyfe, Phillip Mills, Geoff Ross, and Sir George Fistonich?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e7cb488fde5422597a2a7fdb5ca52d5\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: As I said in the answer to the last question, there is a second report coming out, as I understand it, from Pure Advantage, and there may be a number of aspects of that report that the Government is interested in looking at. The member will also be aware that the Government commissioned some work in this area, of which some of those recommendations we are following. I simply go back and say that the member lives in a world where he is advocating policies that would be very negative for the economy but comes into this House and pretends they would have no impact at all. If that is the case, then he needs to go back and read his economics books.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d05f03a32c7b48f8af0f1598dd4c5ca8\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: Has he seen statistics from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics that show that the greener the industry the higher the job growth over the last decade, and will he now reconsider his opposition to green growth strategies, which are jobs-rich and good for the environment?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f088577981ae446897fa234030d2c5b6\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: No, in answer to the first part of the question. In answer to the second part of the question, there have been quite a number of things that this Government has done in relation to, effectively, green growth, and they would be including the very extensive insulation scheme that the Government had. It has also got an emissions trading scheme, which encourages people to plant trees. There have been a number of other things, but not the ones that that member is proposing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022726dcc94a43a4983ba65e33686182a6b\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: Is Pure Advantage group not correct when it agues that mining the environmentally valuable Denniston Plateau for coal, as proposed by Bathhurst Resources, will have a detrimental effect on New Zealand\u2019s economically valuable green brand; if so, why on earth is the Prime Minister championing a special cause, a special interest, like Bathhurst Resources?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291825b2ddce74abc8f1ecd34abb5df0f\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: No, I do not think the member is right. If I remember correctly, a few weeks ago that member was on television telling New Zealanders that it was a shocking thing that those who worked at the Solid Energy mine on the West Coast were losing their jobs at Spring Creek, and yet on the other side of the coin he is now telling those very same miners that he does not wan them to get a job down the road at Bathhurst Resources. Is he seriously saying that because we have a small amount of mining activity relative to the size of New Zealand, it somehow undermines our whole overall proposition as a good country to do business in and a good country to visit? I find that very hard to believe. If you look at Australia, where the mining activity is very substantial, it does not stop it from actually going out there and advertising extensively that Australia is a good place to do business, a good place to live, and a good place to holiday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002282a39d8ae9a5489d912924905b465e0b\u0022\u003EUnemployment\u2014International Comparisons and Initiatives Targeting Young People\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022 data-id=\u002243c042e7680d4d869ca4d70e17561ea5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002243c042e7680d4d869ca4d70e17561ea5\u0022\u003EDAVID SHEARER (Leader of the Opposition)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he still think his Government is \u201Con the right track\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022 data-id=\u00227e4ef84698024c65b6f7b8d7aa0cb170\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227e4ef84698024c65b6f7b8d7aa0cb170\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a28760ff0f244e41b00f873e3fc3785a\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: Is he satisfied that there are only five countries with a worse record in the rate of increase in unemployed numbers, and that they include Greece, Spain, and Ireland; if not, does he not think it is time to change track?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f856de79442e4d86a09fdf5459e3e3dd\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: As the member will have heard in answer to question No. 1, no, I do not think it is time to change tack. Secondly, that is coming from a completely different base. But let us just understand whether the following would do anything in terms of economic growth, and that would be to ban sea-mining for minerals, oil, and gas; ban fracking; put a tax on aquaculture; ban all coalmining; and have a mineral export tax. That is a remit at the Labour Party conference this weekend.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022141f3a850d924c218d5fbe7bc51673b5\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: Is he satisfied that under his Government there has been an 80 percent increase in the numbers of unemployed, more than twice the rate of Australia; if so, does he think it is time to change track?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa06e6d6c9ae4d759e2a9569f849abdf\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: No. Of course we are not satisfied when someone loses their job, but let us understand what is happening in Australia. In Western Australia, the last time I looked\u2014it may have changed in the last few weeks\u2014the growth rate was 14.5 percent. The growth rate in Northern Queensland, where mining is substantially active, was 9.5 percent. The fact is that there has been a recession on the East Coast of Australia for quite some time. So let us ask the following question: can you run a mining operation if you have a minerals export tax going through the roof, where you have a ban\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b5f1fdf6293423a8cb1138aac2c411c\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The Prime Minister\u2019s job, and a Minister\u2019s job, is to answer the question, not to start asking them in the middle of question time. I thought you would have stopped him when he said that. \u201CLet\u2019s ask ourselves a question\u201D\u2014well, that is our job at the moment, and his job is to get up there and, precisely and tersely, answer the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d6c4a3851fa4438a898a6c538be5412\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s point is reasonably made, except in so far as the question did ask whether the Prime Minister believed that, given certain events, it was time to change track. The Prime Minister was identifying possibilities of changing track that he did not believe would work. But the member is correct. It should not be posed as a question, because Ministers are meant to answer questions. But I think the Prime Minister had finished, had he not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a481c16b5fe4732b3f0b221e745cdfd\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: The parts of the Australian economy that are booming are the parts of the economy that are related to mining, and at the Labour Party conference they want to ban mining, and they want to join forces with the Green Party, which wants to ban mining. I will bet you Damien O\u2019Connor does not go down there on the West Coast\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229625da99e1b14e40ab4b9a7c494bfbd5\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The Prime Minister has no responsibility for Damien O\u2019Connor.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222649cc08d0bc4d55a1d8e99abc7acc7c\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by his statement \u201CWhile unemployment remains high, it is absolutely critical that we provide young people with adequate development opportunities. If we don\u2019t we risk diminishing the potential of an entire generation of New Zealanders, and I won\u2019t accept that.\u201D; if so, why has the number of Modern Apprenticeships dropped by 2,500 since he made that statement?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c3ec07636eee4ebc8e5ef6ec95be1db8\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: Firstly, I cannot accept the member\u2019s number, because I do not know whether it is correct or not in the way it was measured. And the history of this House indicates that numbers that come from that side are not always accurate. But there are just under 7,500 fees-free Youth Guarantee places at tertiary institutions at the moment. There are 2,800 fees-free places in 43 trade services. There are over 10,000 fees-free places for 16 and 17-year-olds. A great deal of work has been done when it comes to young people\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294db99e05e0743dba73b9b6c1210b272\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. That question directly asked about Modern Apprenticeships. If he has all the information about everything else except Modern Apprenticeships, that is a bit strange. [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e6ed0f517dd4271b3d9b05d9861b097\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member should know that actually he does not interject during a point of order, especially a point of order by his leader. The Leader of the Opposition is correct. His question asked specifically about Modern Apprenticeships. If the Prime Minister had that figure, it would be helpful, but I think he has indicated that he does not have it. Therefore that should be the end of the answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002263f2279b163e4414b1809acf44662558\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: Is not Fran O\u2019Sullivan right on the unemployment statistics when she says \u201CFor Key to simply shrug his shoulders on this score doesn\u2019t cut it. \u2026 We owe it to the young people who are yet to even get on the employment ladder to be less ostrich-like as a nation.\u201D; when will he change track to grow jobs?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f923377ad6f341a796f4fd928516e39d\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: Three things. Firstly, when it comes to young people, the Government is engaged in a number of activities to support young people, and that includes things like the 90-day probation period and the youth minimum wage, which certainly help make them more attractive in the workforce. Secondly, making sure their educational skills are better is critically important, and we know that that was something that the Labour Government did not care about. Making sure that we have a number of programmes for them is critically important. We have been doing that, whether it is through the Youth Guarantee or whatever it might be. Thirdly, we know the Labour Party is not to be believed when it comes to youth unemployment, because in the weekend Megan Woods was out there telling people that a quarter of all young people were unemployed. That is factually incorrect. And the fourth thing I would say is that I do not know whether the member saw\u2014because he wants to quote Fran O\u2019Sullivan\u2014The Standard yesterday afternoon, but on The Standard yesterday afternoon it said that if Fran O\u2019Sullivan comes out and endorses David Shearer, it will be the kiss of death. Well, guess what was in the New Zealand Herald\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228cce62db7ed048e0b892873b57d3af80\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I call the Leader of the Opposition. [Interruption] Order! I have called the Leader of the Opposition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a0b3454d1ed4f69a996a95e5f0cafb2\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister aware that Modern Apprenticeships have gone down on his watch, and why is he not aware of that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022389ed7fabe5848fa923f8c9f6648e541\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: Because they have gone into a variety of other, different courses.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226726776896014ef18a1d914aa36f2cd5\u0022\u003EEconomy\u2014Return to Surplus, Government Borrowing, and Forecasts\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022 data-id=\u0022f4585c8db88e4f2495f970afdbb5748d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f4585c8db88e4f2495f970afdbb5748d\u0022\u003EMAGGIE BARRY (National\u2014North Shore)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What progress is the Government making in getting back to surplus and reducing future borrowing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u0022846fe8b226a643f594845b573631413a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022846fe8b226a643f594845b573631413a\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E The financial statements for the year ended 30 June 2012 showed an operating deficit, before gains and losses, of $9.2 billion. This compares with a deficit of $18.4 billion in the previous year, about half of which was due to Canterbury earthquakes. Excluding earthquake costs, the operating deficit for 2012 was $7.3 billion, compared with $9.3 billion the year before. It has been important to support New Zealanders in difficult times through borrowing money and spending it through income transfers and public services, but, of course, that cannot continue for ever. The Government has laid out a track to surplus in order to get on top of debt.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cfbe868844d9481c82eac7df6ba89489\u0022\u003EMaggie Barry\u003C/span\u003E: What are the benefits of returning to surplus and minimising debt?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223465943f0f30479ea9f806f8ba864911\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I think one of the benefits assumed is that if we got back to surplus we could then have a spend-up in the fashion that the previous Labour Government did. But that is not actually correct. When we get back to surplus in 2014-15 it will allow the Government to start repaying debt, resume contributions to the New Zealand Superannuation Fund, and target more investment at priority public services. There is also another benefit to households, and that is when the Government does have a credible track back to surplus and good management of Government expenditure, all New Zealanders benefit from lower interest rates than would otherwise be the case.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225728118b557744e4b47ad177b67eb9c2\u0022\u003EMaggie Barry\u003C/span\u003E: Since 2008 how has the outlook for future Government debt and expenditure improved?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a455c1be11db4a0bad026c98172655f7\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: It has improved quite significantly, despite the fact that we have had a recession and a slow recovery. Treasury forecasts showed in 2008 that New Zealand was on a track for never-ending deficits, and Government net debt would reach 50 percent of GDP by 2020. In this year\u2019s Budget, Treasury forecast net debt in 2020 to be under 20 percent. So instead of being 50 percent of GDP, decisions the Government has made will reduce that to 20 percent. Also Government expenditure as a percentage of GDP is forecast to fall from 35 percent of GDP in 2011 to 30 percent of GDP by 2016, allowing New Zealand households and businesses to make their own decisions with more of their own money.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229aac404b9e414e1a9b6dbc3ea39d8ddb\u0022\u003EMaggie Barry\u003C/span\u003E: What is the global outlook for growth, and how does this affect New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f144ab8c680c42808196b9bad2d8a53d\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: That is a very good question. The consensus for global growth forecasts for 2013 has been revised downwards in the last 8 months for virtually all of our trading partners, including Australia. For instance, the IMF revised its growth expectations for the world economy from 3.9 percent to 3.6 percent for next year, and in the euro area growth fell from 1.6 percent to 0.2 percent\u2014a very significant reduction in the outlook for Europe. These kinds of reductions are likely to have some impact on the New Zealand economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9c0197e7e8e4972b86cc653bce8a491\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: In light of the highest level of unemployment in 13 years, will Treasury be revising its unemployment forecasts for the Half Year Economic and Fiscal Update; if so, will it also have to update its growth forecasts and tax revenue forecasts downwards?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a17180670f694dcb8482524bd20da3cd\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I would expect that Treasury will take into account the current circumstances and how they might affect the future outlook. The world economic outlook is a bit weaker, as I have pointed out, and the New Zealand economic outlook has been a bit weaker in this second half of the year, but the member will have to wait and see, like I will, as to how that is reflected in the forecasts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221fef040f719e4f87928a629b7f3cbe3e\u0022\u003EWelfare Reforms\u2014Availability of Jobs\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022 data-id=\u0022d6ee9fab777e446fa63cdbec2e749558\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d6ee9fab777e446fa63cdbec2e749558\u0022\u003EJACINDA ARDERN (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Social Development: Does she stand by all her answers to oral question No. 9 yesterday?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u0022bb3fb0a26166494e874b0e35dd10ae1a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bb3fb0a26166494e874b0e35dd10ae1a\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, I stand by my statements, but upon reflecting on them, I should have said more about how quickly the job market is moving, as some of those 300 jobs I mentioned yesterday at The Warehouse have already been filled. In fact, I have just heard that The Warehouse has filled around 1,200 jobs recently to get ahead of the coming busy Christmas period.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b38a70e55766418d96e501cc8e5ff303\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: When she said that The Warehouse had jobs available between October and January, suggesting short-term Christmas contracts, was she also aware that the last time it advertised, there were 1,200 applications for 111 jobs; if so, does she still believe that people are unemployed because they are not looking hard enough?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002282332ec09b8143d6aea5e780a07b44d8\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: As I think I put it in my primary answer, we have also heard that there are 1,200 people whom it has recently taken on, but that is casual work as well as part-time and as well as full-time. It is quite recently, so I am certainly saying that some of that work is casual to take it over the Christmas period. But as you say, I think there are higher numbers of applications for some jobs than others. For example, I got an email this morning from a guy who said that in Taup\u014D recently he advertised two positions and received six applications, three of which did not think they would pass the drug test, two of which did not think they could start work at 7.30, and one of which did not bother coming back with the paperwork. To receive so few applications with so many out of work or unable to get work just does not ring true. The persons he required were unskilled labourers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b603ae50e8ef4f6a8ef49fa35165a8ea\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: When she listed\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022299132b6aaa74031b0f13af4d0479780\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I want to be able to hear the member, please. I want to be able to hear. [Interruption] Order! I want to be able to hear Jacinda Ardern.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022922bb94022a04f56a5433877270f7dd9\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: When she listed Bunnings and New World as proof that there are jobs available, was she aware that neither of the stores in question is open yet and one has not even been built, and that the last time Bunnings advertised there were 800 applications for 70 positions, and for New World there were 2,700 applicants for 150 openings; if so, does she still believe there are people unemployed because they are not looking hard enough?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022655f2c27f3a242d38533c3b1fc4a7d2c\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: It is a bit of a bouncy job market out there\u2014a bit like me. You know, it is a bit like the economy is grumpy like him; the job market is bouncy like me. Look, the reality is that we have people getting jobs and we have people who then go off tomorrow. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bab2762205614d698bd69d0e9ae0f326\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s grumpy, you\u2019re bouncy!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203154be3406d44069bbc23895c767635\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: He is grumpy, I am bouncy\u2014that is about the load of it. Let me give you an example. Just today we have had 26 new jobs come into Work and Income. We have probably had about the same number that have come off because they have been filled. The member can make assertions that I have said there is a job for everyone. There is not. It is tough out there. But I do say that you need to be looking so you can get some of those jobs that are there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225038dce28d6c46d8be91ede85690ab2c\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before I call the honourable member, I have just been accused of being bouncy and dopey in that last set of interjections. They could both be true, but, please, when members interject \u201Cyou\u201D, they are referring to the Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2ab8683ed97481abae1e72bc774d53b\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: When she listed that Brightwater was looking for 40 engineers, was she aware that the same firm cut up to 40 jobs earlier in the year, and that Taylor Preston, which she also listed, is a seasonal meatworks operating in the same industry where there have been up to 300 job losses since September alone; if so, is the economy bouncy, grumpy, or just suffering from a lack of a plan from that Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022199a75f821cb407384bef4b92d112c29\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: The member can get all uptight and angry, but the reality is that jobs come on and jobs come off. That is the point I was making yesterday. The member can pretend that there are no jobs whatsoever out there; in fact, we have had 1,000 new jobs come into Work and Income just about every week for the last 12 months. That is the reality. No one is pretending it is perfect, no one is saying it is ideal, but I also do not think that the member getting uptight and angry about what jobs might or might not be there is kind of helping anyone, either.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002275a00eb3125d4ffc8e75da4200e0b84e\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I call Jacinda Ardern. [Interruption] Order! I want to hear Jacinda Ardern. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8b96f9e603a4c788172d8fda814a516\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: Which of her contradictory statements yesterday does she stand by\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d3b0cdf1f8747faa948cc48ea93d60f\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I want to hear the question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8b501cbab35497da2571cef0b308da4\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: Which of her contradictory statements yesterday does she stand by: that benefit numbers have doubled on her watch because of \u201Csome of the toughest times worldwide\u201D, or that her punitive welfare reforms are still justified because \u201Cthere are jobs and people will get one only if they are looking.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff39d6b438044b36822689622cda22cc\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Someone might get one in the weekend.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b64b37e5b5343968bce1ae6a4f5beba\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I do think there may be a new job going this weekend, and I wish the member luck with that. But look, at the end of the day there are jobs coming on, there are jobs coming off. It is tough. No one is saying that things are easy, at all. I know that the member struggles to understand that, but that is the reality. We have people coming on benefit; we have people coming off benefit. No one pretends that everyone who wants a job will get one today, but the member may be lucky and get one this weekend if she holds out long enough. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bbdb0d3d172a4d68aec2f4a5cc20adbc\u0022\u003EVisitor Visas\u2014China Southern Airlines Frequent Flyer Scheme\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u0022aba057f4e680444ea35112454ed3a946\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022aba057f4e680444ea35112454ed3a946\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader\u2014NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Immigration: Is he satisfied that Immigration New Zealand\u2019s visitor visa processing system is robust and effective; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022 data-id=\u002278f35857da964eba9e6800e4a6aff471\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002278f35857da964eba9e6800e4a6aff471\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY (Minister of Immigration):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, but there is always room for improvement. One hundred and seventy thousand visitor visas are processed annually by Immigration New Zealand, and it has made substantial improvements from the mess that National inherited from the previous Government. To improve the system, the Government is implementing by 2015 the state of the art Immigration Global Management System, which will, amongst other things, improve visa processing and increase the use of biometric identity checks. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b4c01fc66ae478fba1261fed6a32754\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Why has he compromised the integrity of New Zealand\u2019s overseas visa system by doing secret deals with China Southern Airlines in a secret meeting he held with China Southern Airlines\u2019 representatives on 20 April 2012?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226fa3531b593442f8abe509ba8158dd4c\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: There was no secret meeting with China Southern Airlines. I did have a meeting with China Southern Airlines. The representatives expressed to me some interest in increasing visitor flows into New Zealand, which is a tremendous thing, and, yes, there has been a deal struck with Immigration New Zealand and China Southern Airlines. That is going to allow high net worth individuals to come into New Zealand to ensure that we continue to grow our tourism benefits. In fact, there will be some checks, and, of course, that will mean that they still will need to get a visa, and they still will need to meet health and good-character checks. Considerations will be met in terms of deeming\u2014[Interruption]; can I conclude\u2014the evidence of funds and bona fides. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002204620832d0ff4b9099f0e763cbc8bdd8\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Has he read a memo to him from Immigration New Zealand dated 11 June 2012 concerning visa processing facilitation that states \u201C[China Southern Airlines] has also advised that the most important feature for their clients was avoiding the necessity to answer questions relating to financial backing and employment history and to provide evidence of these.\u201D; how can he make any statements that this is more robust, given that advice from that official?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f19181ea446746dda7356f1245c2ca79\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: As I mentioned in the answer to the previous question, we are indeed going to roll out this agreement with China Southern Airlines, and it is important that we are going to review\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022971b26c8e3a24a8cbb89d69c2f54957a\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I am asking this Minister about questions and issues that have happened this year, not about what is being rolled out in the future, but what is happening right now, in respect of the 11 June memo that he got, and the meeting on 20 April. He is talking about\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225cd0141dbd9949bf81ecd7c4d303fa26\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I invite the member to repeat his question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220cc98c27a02b480ba71a08fcd5be6b91\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Has he read a memo to him from Immigration New Zealand dated 11 June 2012 concerning visa processing facilitation that states \u201C[China Southern Airlines] has also advised that the most important feature for their clients was avoiding the necessity to answer questions relating to financial backing and employment history and to provide evidence of these.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022404ea984ff3f49108dbd88fb657dc3f6\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I am aware of that, and that, indeed, is their opinion. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b01598a5a0234b1cb678c71bd395ab7f\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware of concerns raised by an Immigration New Zealand official in an email dated 7 September 2012 that the risk of \u201Cimported criminality\u201D from China is being \u201Cignored in visa decision-making\u201D in respect of a special arrangement being brokered with China Southern Airlines?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223761061c6b2c42009858fffd2449a288\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: No, I am not aware of that, because the deal has not rolled out yet. I am looking forward to that deal rolling out and, as I said before, this will be reviewed on a monthly basis to ensure that it is robust and it is working as intended.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022977c7ec38f114ad7bb95c64c46bb0b22\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Minister concede that what is being alleged in these questions is happening right now, and is he aware that an Immigration New Zealand official has described the proposed special arrangement with China Southern Airlines as setting a \u201Cvery dangerous precedent\u201D and \u201Cdefers risk assessment to uninformed expedience\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6da90d5d9a647769e2322e410b09051\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: No, I do not agree with those assertions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9539484a5bc45a5a10d203b11b216f4\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: How can the public of this country have any confidence in the Minister responsible for Immigration New Zealand when such scandals\u2014and this is one\u2014are so numerous\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295bb282da120423f87fea8566c54f4c5\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member must proceed with his question. [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0164e6c7bfb4e72a68055eef87f8366\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Big Ears is off again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226064744b244f412480d1ccddcb6ecaa2\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e598555808b45a6a9ec3135e8db6d9a\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: How can the public have any confidence in the Minister responsible for Immigration New Zealand when such scandals are so numerous, even to the extent of Immigration New Zealand\u2019s intelligence, risk, and integrity division now raising concerns about what is happening about visa-checking processes or lack of them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022494b66cff5014a539b2529f8d9e84874\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: As a result of the recent Chinese student fraud, I have asked immigration officials to look at their systems. Indeed, they got PricewaterhouseCoopers in to look at their systems. That report concluded that their systems are pretty good but that there is room for improvement. They are working through those recommendations as we speak. My final comment is that this Government is focused on growing the economic returns for this country, and that means not putting at stake the $9 billion that we get in from tourists every year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3ccc3cecd964a508958c9d8ffa71677\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table a memo sent from the Department of Labour to the Minister of Immigration dated 11 June 2012 titled \u201CChina Southern Airline Travel Facilitation\u201D, which contains a reference to a meeting between the Minister and the airline on 20 April and details of the proposed special visa processing arrangement, and a second document dated Friday, 7 September 2012, subject line \u201C[China Southern Airlines] initiative\u201D, which outlines the serious concerns of an Immigration New Zealand official.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002263fd6de99e2340cd8520401eb8f6e60f\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table those two documents. Is there any objection? There is no objection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EDocuments, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d82e7d8323d84361ab68fde28e689750\u0022\u003EWhite Paper for Vulnerable Children\u2014Children\u2019s Teams\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022 data-id=\u0022479965194ddb405eb5fb40242b3e3a94\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022479965194ddb405eb5fb40242b3e3a94\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN (National\u2014Northland)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Social Development: What further announcements has she made on the Children\u2019s Teams, part of the Government\u2019s White Paper for Vulnerable Children?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u0022c8b2b4e3cd0047e2ae46dd65181d1607\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c8b2b4e3cd0047e2ae46dd65181d1607\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development):\u003C/span\u003E Today we have announced that the second children\u2019s team will be rolled out in Whangarei. We have chosen Whangarei for the second team because, like Rotorua, the community both needs it and is ready for it. Work will start straight away with the community of Whangarei to bring the children\u2019s team together.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b234ec3409044fcfb30569d3744287a1\u0022\u003EMike Sabin\u003C/span\u003E: How will these children\u2019s teams bring together those professionals working closely with vulnerable children?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca5f635370984daf99f6f9f7e5f78eb1\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: The children who are at risk of abuse or neglect need professionals who bring their expertise to the table and work in a coordinated manner, putting the child at the centre of all decision making. I have just had a public meeting at lunchtime today on the white paper and there was someone there from Strengthening Families. She said that collaboration is one of the hardest things you can do, but actually is one of the most effective for working with vulnerable children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f48284207984a3e973be48dbf2b730e\u0022\u003EMike Sabin\u003C/span\u003E: How will the children\u2019s teams work to better protect children in each community?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1d6265cb7d649dfa66115b5622e0d04\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: As I said before, these teams take this to the next level of child protection. They are working closely with Child, Youth and Family, but most important, I think, they are also working with those children who are at most serious risk of maltreatment, and getting in early so that we do not see them getting hurt or being put in danger.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220e01daa5a8094eceb87d2eac4f27a292\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7 to Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022 data-id=\u002208ae792164864ed78607354d7ca1e426\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002208ae792164864ed78607354d7ca1e426\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Question No. 7, the Hon David Cunliffe. Question No. 7, the Hon David Cunliffe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022 data-id=\u0022cb218e19513b4ae687e2ec0abfd7a635\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cb218e19513b4ae687e2ec0abfd7a635\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Labour\u2014New Lynn):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221dc188aaa54d4c89aa67283019f69aa5\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0ae4bd234234706954cc7224c48f330\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014Minister for Economic Development: is he satisfied that the policy\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022 data-id=\u0022dfd3dc58c8d5471cb48995edabe9c6ed\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dfd3dc58c8d5471cb48995edabe9c6ed\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I apologise to the honourable member. I say to National Party members the noise is not reasonable. I cannot hear the question. Let that person who has not missed a call at some stage cast the first stone. We have all done it. I call the Hon David Cunliffe. [Interruption] Order! I want to hear this question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221af722585a8b45f3a40de30223fadfe2\u0022\u003EEconomic Growth and Unemployment Rate\u2014Government Strategies\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022 data-id=\u00228b255e60225641f9819479bdc0295982\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228b255e60225641f9819479bdc0295982\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Labour\u2014New Lynn)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Economic Development: Is he satisfied that the policy initiatives undertaken by his Ministry are adequately tackling the problem of unemployment; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022 data-id=\u00228de7f02b23b3485588aa9876098766c5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228de7f02b23b3485588aa9876098766c5\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Economic Development):\u003C/span\u003E I think actually Mr Cunliffe was doing a bit of last-minute lobbying for the weekend. The Government\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f3063431c844f60b89dcc77fb24f99e\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I think Ministers when answering primary questions should avoid that kind of unnecessary gratuitous comment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002210bf8a4702784606ae5a55d092e3cee2\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: I was just trying to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294c1c5ab8a664e70bb06823f5065390f\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ef47162a15347bd9956ac6bf31488eb\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: OK. Yes. The Government is undertaking a comprehensive Business Growth Agenda to help New Zealand businesses become more internationally competitive and have access to the six key ingredients they need to grow, create jobs, and be successful. To this end we are ensuring we are building better access to export markets, we are investing to encourage innovation, we are improving skills and safety within the workforce, we are building the infrastructure that businesses need to thrive, we are encouraging sustainable use of our national resources\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f116f3986b0d4e1298ef0a1c0b6d812b\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The Minister should have noticed that the question asked \u201Cif not, why not?\u201D, not \u201Cif so, why?\u201D. The Minister had answered the question\u2014[Interruption] Order! It was a primary question and it asked whether the Minister was satisfied. The Minister indicated that he was. Therefore, there is no further answer required, because the question goes on to say \u201Cif not, why not?\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224fdd271a817e458aa87da33fcf557f8a\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: Which of the following does he consider to be the greater concern for the New Zealand economy: inflation at 0.8 percent, below the 1 to 3 percent target range, or unemployment at 7.3 percent, the highest in 13 years\u2014in fact, since the last time Bill English was Minister of Finance?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ec0fc4e27be456b825bfd1db53c9804\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: Actually, I think the bigger challenge for the New Zealand economy is the lack of understanding from some people as to the importance of giving businesses the opportunity to invest and grow their businesses in New Zealand, not adding costs to those businesses, and actually giving opportunities in areas such as oil and gas, such as convention centres\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c43321ef76d4c83a4cf25e07caf61ce\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Casinos.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231310bf51b3d4a32b5786fb279724d96\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014absolutely, Mr Peters, absolutely\u2014a range of things that we need to have to encourage businesses to grow. I think that is the biggest limitation, and it dominates the other side of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ab6fb30e86f48809bbd28fbf438fbf5\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: Which does the Minister consider is the more significant reason for the decline in New Zealand manufacturing from 26 percent of GDP in the 1970s to 14 percent in 2009 and 12 percent in 2011: could it be the high New Zealand dollar, or policy settings that deliberately reinforce the interests of agriculture and finance at the expense of manufacturing, innovation, and export-led growth?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022464fce9f63fb4899bc0ddac6ea89826f\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: I think the member is simply wrong in his analysis of what is happening in the New Zealand economy. In actual fact, since this Government has been in office we have seen the long-term decline in manufacturing that he refers to halt, and, actually, we have seen growth in the amount of exports from manufacturing\u2014[Interruption]\u2014it is true; members should go and read their numbers\u2014and growth in manufacturing over time. The simple fact of the matter is that the member\u2019s\u2014I have to say\u2014adolescent picking of industries that should be promoted ahead of other industries is actually one of the causes of problems in New Zealand. We spend way too much time focusing on which single industry will save us. We actually need to encourage positive investment opportunities across the country, and that is what we are doing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228074d8ca0210493ab2f7dace763408ad\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister seen any reports of any special meetings to discuss jobs?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223449734b68ec461597d89298a98412a2\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: I have received the report of a special meeting last night to discuss one particular leadership job. Reports are that there was a meeting of about a dozen people to discuss jobs, it followed on from discussions with an expensive, New York - based consultant, and it was convened by one David Cunliffe MP.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e9178c992fb24cf293d403d450ac1114\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary question, the Hon David Cunliffe. [Interruption] Order! Order! Order! The National benches will show a little discipline, please. I want to hear the Hon David Cunliffe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f095f58ac44425d981908eff6a87f68\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: If the Minister\u2019s mathematical abilities\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226726f3595806431fa2c01f6633cb2650\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Come on now, the member is going to have further interjections if he carries on like that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f6b580a8e63041169570849a1e39601a\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: What policies are in place to help New Zealanders aged between 18 and 34, whose real incomes have decreased by 8 percent since this Government has been in power, or who currently make up close to half of the unemployed and around 40 percent of those leaving for Australia; and if he really believes that the manufacturing decline has been reversed, why does he not say that to the people of Southland, or to the Minister of Finance or any Government MP who has stood up the debate on the future of the T\u012Bwai Point smelter to be held in early December?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa23055810604697bd4ea23284a92482\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I think there were about six legs to that question, but I will focus on the youth question, because it is a fair question to ask. Actually, the Government is very, very focused on creating opportunities for young people, and I just beg the House\u2019s\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002234765a41bdd94c6abdca78220339eec9\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Not actually doing it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8122e8cb7f7493b9381f9223481d424\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: No, it is doing a huge amount, actually. We have created a thing called the Youth Guarantee scheme, which supplies fees-free training for young people aged 16 and 17, and, in fact, there are now 7,500 places from nothing a couple of years ago. We have also created 2,800 fees-free places in 44 trades and service academies, and next year we are rolling out 5,500 fees-free levels 1 and 2 places for foundation learners of all ages. The good news is that if you look at 15 to 19 year olds, fully 78 percent of all of them are now in education, 12 percent of them are in employment, and 4 percent are unemployed and not in any form of education, with another 5 percent right outside the workforce. Those figures are actually a very significant improvement through the global financial crisis.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022da19397f68a74c14bfe9118195d31f6e\u0022\u003ESkycity, Convention Centre\u2014Outcomes\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022 data-id=\u0022a15d5114bdc44c0781e358db8c1c0ff3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a15d5114bdc44c0781e358db8c1c0ff3\u0022\u003EDENISE ROCHE (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Tertiary Education, Skills and Employment: Was he referring to the SkyCity Convention Centre, which is the subject of an inquiry by the Auditor-General, when he told the House, \u201Cin relation to the International Convention Centre, they have sought to stop, which is the reason right now for 1,000 less jobs in this country\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022 data-id=\u0022403abb0c715b4b18a70b90189dbbd5e8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022403abb0c715b4b18a70b90189dbbd5e8\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Tertiary Education, Skills and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E Absolutely. I was referring to the estimated 1,000 jobs involved in the construction of the proposed Auckland convention centre. That member knows as well as anybody else that her party has sought to stop the development of the convention centre at the cost of those jobs to the country. So the Greens have worked to block this initiative at exactly the same time they are calling for more jobs in New Zealand, and the reality is you cannot constantly say you cannot do things. The reality is that that is lost on the Greens, but it is actually not lost on everybody else.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d70be5db4f945eb9f5f064f29a838b2\u0022\u003EDenise Roche\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware that the additional pokies that form part of that convention centre deal are likely to lead to a net loss of jobs, as Australian research shows that because electronic gambling is capital-intensive and jobs-light, it sucks spending and jobs out of other, more job-intensive retail and tourism businesses?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a2843bb1fb84b48a278a8ddccb0836f\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, if the member is suggesting that there should be more gaming tables and fewer electronic machines, I am sure she could send me a note to that effect, and we will pass it on to the negotiators.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e561877f5c44d6897e606abe71dbaea\u0022\u003EDenise Roche\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table a study, Electronic Gaming Machines in Bendigo 2008\u2014assessing their economic impact, prepared for the city of Bendigo, which concludes: \u201CAny shift in spending towards [electronic gaming machines] will clearly lead to a fall in employment.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221be5d05a6bb44acaa5567860292207db\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is no objection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002252946e663a404228bd5a6eff93aec1a9\u0022\u003EDenise Roche\u003C/span\u003E: Do any of the 1,000 jobs he says the convention centre would generate include additional police required to manage problem-gambling related crime and the prostitutes planned for a 10-storey brothel across the road, or additional mental health workers needed to mop up the consequences of additional pokies; and when did crime and misery become the cornerstone of the National Government\u2019s job plan?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ed23d18be324fbbba593cda80e78c31\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, a couple of points there. Firstly, they are the construction jobs for the convention centre\u2014the 1,000 jobs that I was referring to. The second point is, I have to say, that is a bit rich coming from a party that supported the previous Government to do exactly the same arrangement to establish the first Skycity convention centre in Auckland in 2004, which the New York consultant whom we were talking about before proudly opened and proudly endorsed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002274ca3b659d14486383a643c6ca8265c9\u0022\u003EDenise Roche\u003C/span\u003E: Is he concerned that the expansion of the casino is likely to encourage more gambling from people like drug tycoon Tac Kin Voong, who gambled $11 million in 6 months at Skycity, making the casino $1.5 million in profits; if so, would he consider supporting Metiria Turei\u2019s Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill, which would force the casino to return profits from the proceeds of crime?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221259ece87f274973b0767d0f7598f3eb\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: In relation to the bill the member refers to, I should draw the member\u2019s attention to two laws that were passed in 2009, the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act and the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act, which already contain much of what that particular bill is, I understand, seeking to achieve. More broadly, the opportunity of having a major convention centre in Auckland and the tourism benefits and the convention benefits it brings to New Zealand are very, very significant. I appreciate that every time the Greens see an opportunity they want to stop it, but the rest of us actually have to be focused on all the opportunities we can have to grow investment and jobs in this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022516979d4b5c64751abd05fa8bd5ff13c\u0022\u003ETeachers and Support Staff\u2014Problems with Novopay Payment System\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u00227a8c5a0e9ddd43a98c56e57b5dcbcd1d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227a8c5a0e9ddd43a98c56e57b5dcbcd1d\u0022\u003ECHRIS HIPKINS (Labour\u2014Rimutaka)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Education: Does he stand by his statement \u201CYes I do have confidence in Novopay\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022 data-id=\u00228c28ed4b3ab840168ab626f2718b78e5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228c28ed4b3ab840168ab626f2718b78e5\u0022\u003EHon CRAIG FOSS (Associate Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E As a payroll system, I do, yes. But I fully acknowledge the frustrations that staff, payroll administrators, principals, and many in the sector have had to put up with as the system has rolled out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285462c5c1378401f95d72350af75f272\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Did he receive or review an implementation plan for Novopay before the new system was implemented; if so, when?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d219943355e24675a10a4679dce144e6\u0022\u003EHon CRAIG FOSS\u003C/span\u003E: No, there was not one single implementation plan with regard to Novopay.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de6896b0edde4307836a3db74e50dd08\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Who signed off on the implementation of the Novopay payroll system?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227461fb09ddfa4a47a665ccd9a254eacc\u0022\u003EHon CRAIG FOSS\u003C/span\u003E: The recommendations to go live with Novopay came from the Novopay board. It made recommendations to me. Included in those recommendations were assurances that there were no major difficulties, no tier 1 senior issues. I signed off and recommended that. It was implemented on the basis of that advice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225eca04d9095d4d1097d21430583f5073\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Will employees who have incurred late-payment penalties or defaulted on any automatic payments\u2014for example, mortgage repayments\u2014as a result of payroll errors receive any compensation either from the payroll provider or from the Government as their employer; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220e309aab0a1a48398d9e1db01e6d483a\u0022\u003EHon CRAIG FOSS\u003C/span\u003E: The Ministry of Education has already made it clear that individual staff in the education sector who have suffered some economic issue because of their pay being not paid, underpaid, or something like that are able to contact the ministry and/or their school officer, and they will be investigated and addressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b140a9cb51174271bf23c4744e9f0fb4\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The Minister did not answer the question. He said they would be investigated. I asked specifically whether\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb8bc509fc5842dabd8d1e0cd8e23b63\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, his final words were \u201Cand addressed\u201D. His final words were \u201Cthey will be investigated and addressed\u201D. \u201CAddressed\u201D, one presumes, means something. The member can dig further on what \u201Caddressed\u201D means, I imagine.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002280160d9c07e54cd289f2cd9d0b948f23\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: All right. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I will have another go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022374c6f81c25645ca94825bffb8673da2\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: He thinks he\u2019s so smart.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226014350ae84e416e93df200170ecbea5\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! Order! You can see\u2014can I call on the Attorney-General\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c2f6037c2da24caa857310d31a7f51ec\u0022\u003EHon Christopher Finlayson\u003C/span\u003E: No, you can\u2019t call on me for anything.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221fc4af9b7efc45ee85dacac67e629456\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK. You can see the disorder the House gets into sometimes with unhelpful interjections.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268c2b1bf72c24f798bccc7db69d5fa3b\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. While you were dealing with that I had an opportunity to review the question that I had asked previously. I did not use the word \u201Caddress\u201D, at all; I asked whether there would be any compensation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002212019e3da13249ca84300aec2c7ef1d3\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, the member asked whether they would be compensated, and the Minister\u2019s answer was that the problems for an individual would be investigated and addressed. \u201CAddressed\u201D usually means doing something about it, but that can be explored further, I think.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002248510e493f1f43f89f545504958eaae9\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Will addressing the problem that has been identified by those employees who may have incurred late-payment penalties or fines etc. as a result of defaulting on payments include paying them financial compensation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022568047bf8686497ba5caff4e5d995085\u0022\u003EHon CRAIG FOSS\u003C/span\u003E: No decisions about compensation have yet been made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7c4e35daea84a75a0906cc713ec27ba\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Can he give employees reliant on Novopay an assurance that they will receive their correct holiday pay prior to Christmas; if not, what action is he taking to ensure that this happens?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220253c03d95bb48b1973e1c6998f368f0\u0022\u003EHon CRAIG FOSS\u003C/span\u003E: I have an assurance, and the Ministry of Education has issued a press release that assures that all those in the education sector will be paid as part of the normal end-of-year, start-of-year holiday pay, etc. It gives that assurance in the name of the Secretary for Education and the Ministry of Education.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c6764058482c45c79976f9290d5e3fb9\u0022\u003EGlobal Positioning System Monitoring\u2014Use for Offenders on Extended Supervision Orders, Parole, or Work Release\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u0022315b3c8fe77344589c1b5f3cbab98774\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022315b3c8fe77344589c1b5f3cbab98774\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN (National\u2014Waitaki)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Corrections: What steps has the Government taken to protect communities from high-risk offenders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022d590fed99059485aabb479bdb19e531b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d590fed99059485aabb479bdb19e531b\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Corrections):\u003C/span\u003E In August global positioning system (GPS) monitoring was introduced for high-risk child sex offenders on extended supervision orders and for offenders on parole with special conditions relating to their whereabouts. There are currently 25 high-risk offenders being monitored by GPS, and, dependent on judicial outcomes, nearly 50 offenders could be monitored by GPS by the end of the year. This technology provides real-time monitoring of these high-risk offenders, allowing the department to know immediately if one strays into an exclusion zone such as a park, a playground, or a school, so that quick action can be taken. The offenders are monitored 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. This technology is significantly improving the safety of the public and ensuring that offenders comply with the conditions of their sentence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4ff0b2c7d824399bc6928d248ad4bac\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: How could GPS be used in the future to improve prisoner rehabilitation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0d9d96c2c944087b80adde219e65302\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: From next month the Department of Corrections plans to start trialling the use of GPS to monitor prisoners on the Release to Work programme. To reduce reoffending by 25 percent we do need to have more prisoners engaged in that Release to Work programme, and GPS will allow the Department of Corrections to do this by providing a greater ability to monitor the prisoners whilst they are outside the prison.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002221cc36bd11084f3e870bedde94efacd1\u0022\u003EMinimum Wage, 2013 Review\u2014Consultation and Criteria\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022 data-id=\u0022fdf5ab93872c42e5bd497bddcdf353cd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fdf5ab93872c42e5bd497bddcdf353cd\u0022\u003EDARIEN FENTON (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Acting Minister of Labour: When will he begin the process of consulting on the minimum wage for 2013?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u002205fe6168c4bf47168c0b5ab59b20f3bd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002205fe6168c4bf47168c0b5ab59b20f3bd\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Acting Minister of Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Next week.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2594f2fed564fbbb5caad461c392a82\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I had not even called the Minister, but his answer is very prompt. Such efficiency.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f818c3048e64b82884ec3abb4fba0ce\u0022\u003EDarien Fenton\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Government plan to change the consultation process and the criteria that are used for determining the minimum wage; if so, how?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224201debd6a0e4432bfa48ba5da713136\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON\u003C/span\u003E: The Government is looking at ways of streamlining consultation. Consultation is not a quantitative thing; it is a qualitative thing. The essence is to do the job properly, and I am, as an enthusiastic Acting Minister of Labour, looking at all options.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228eed30e889a8463987c57ea313868983\u0022\u003EDarien Fenton\u003C/span\u003E: Will the principles of fairness, income distribution, worker protection, and work incentives be removed as criteria for determining the minimum wage for New Zealand\u2019s lowest-paid workers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220a8b7c7d3ae44850abafb27eaf094ce8\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON\u003C/span\u003E: As I said, I am looking at improving the qualitative assessment, and at this stage, where there are matters going to Cabinet, I am not prepared to get into that level of detail.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277dca27e7fb94f509eb8d95cb587d0a7\u0022\u003EDarien Fenton\u003C/span\u003E: If these criteria are cut back and submission processes also curtailed, will there not be fewer and lower minimum wage increases in the future?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002232af32bcab794a7c86264d2dcd60ba11\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, as I said, the member is dwelling in the realms of the hypothetical. I am looking at improving consultation\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022255aa5e6fb0145579e18ee62eaf8b649\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Where does that member dwell?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002292af9cd728c746efb7af89771931d7a1\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON\u003C/span\u003E: I dwell in the land of high emotional intelligence. I am most grateful, too, to the New Zealand Herald for those kind comments. I am looking at all those issues. The aim is to do the job right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b9fa62f86f442e6ac8243e8a49ab91d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, there you have it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002253cca59b78fa42ca8112035b8b1a0b5d\u0022\u003EPassports\u2014Online Renewal Service\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022 data-id=\u0022c00473652d484773807b973e0ec5d517\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c00473652d484773807b973e0ec5d517\u0022\u003EKANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Internal Affairs: How many New Zealanders have applied for a passport online since the launch of the Online Passport Renewal Service?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022 data-id=\u002205b304174944424788abf00d51e5c4ff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002205b304174944424788abf00d51e5c4ff\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS TREMAIN (Minister of Internal Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E The Department of Internal Affairs has received 2,182 online renewals in the first 10 days of the service. Online renewals in the last week have made up around 16 percent of total adult renewals. Twenty-six thousand people have checked their eligibility to apply online, indicating that many people plan to apply in the near future. This is very encouraging at this early stage, and I am confident that the numbers will continue to grow.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227cac5f9aa8ae426fa433c54c8c9239f1\u0022\u003EKanwaljit Singh Bakshi\u003C/span\u003E: What are the benefits to New Zealanders of applying online rather than with a paper-based form?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f83f70377f7f44cb87f528e77e9e6b0a\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS TREMAIN\u003C/span\u003E: Passport fees have been lowered, and are lowest for an online renewal, to encourage people to use this online service. The costs have been reduced by almost 20 percent for an online application. The turn-round with online services is also faster, and, although it can take up to 10 days, it has averaged just 3 working days to date.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224433caf559a14d1cb2830970d4286bb6\u0022\u003EKanwaljit Singh Bakshi\u003C/span\u003E: What reports has he received on New Zealanders\u2019 satisfaction with the service?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022924389706b0048f68ebb20f1b2421907\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS TREMAIN\u003C/span\u003E: I have received several reports, including a number of comments saying the online service was very easy to use and made ordering a passport cheaper and a lot more convenient. One customer wrote saying he applied on a Saturday evening and got an email at 10 a.m. the following Tuesday saying the passport had been sent. This is great feedback, and I am confident that New Zealanders are getting better public services from the Passports Office.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220b68bd8f408f45c0a50989eacb82db42\u0022\u003EQuestions to Members\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022deed974312254eadab2d49a422d95737\u0022\u003ECriminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill\u2014Purpose\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257055c34911a47d3947828a934b97ad3\u0022\u003EDENISE ROCHE (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Member in charge of the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill: What is the purpose of her Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022 data-id=\u00222fa423731bdf4f85832d397e2298c9bc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222fa423731bdf4f85832d397e2298c9bc\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI (Member in charge of the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill):\u003C/span\u003E The purpose of the bill is to apply the civil forfeiture regime to casinos. Steven Joyce was wrong today to suggest that the legislation already applies. It does not. My bill will amend the definition of \u201Cunlawfully benefiting from significant criminal activity\u201D to include casinos that knowingly and having regard to best international practice in detecting problem gambling and criminal activity derive a benefit from significant criminal activity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4a37134a15a4d9bbc7135bb11f9a3af\u0022\u003EDenise Roche\u003C/span\u003E: Why did she write the amendment bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294099399148c4197b0da58337b6ad54e\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI\u003C/span\u003E: Casinos are widely known to profit from money-laundering and theft caused by gambling addiction. Private individuals are not entitled to retain profits from criminal activity, and neither should casinos. This bill will encourage casinos to implement the best possible practices to protect against problem gambling and money-laundering, and better protect small businesses and individuals from gambling-driven crime.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002273605f3c3ec2420e8d0a10fc68c7c382\u0022\u003ECriminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill\u2014Benefits\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228db13bf124dc42ef8eb58f373942f9b6\u0022\u003EDENISE ROCHE (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Member in charge of the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill: How will her Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill benefit the victims of crime?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022 data-id=\u0022cc8d3489cfa44ca48c12395b8cd5d985\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cc8d3489cfa44ca48c12395b8cd5d985\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI (Member in charge of the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill):\u003C/span\u003E I have read many reports over a number of years of community organisations and small businesses, in particular, being driven to the wall by the theft of huge amounts of money by problem gamblers who lose it at a casino. By including casinos in the Act and imposing on them the same obligation that others have to return the proceeds of crime, these community groups and small businesses could look forward to having some of that stolen money returned to them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d7726c244661491eb143247f14b21281\u0022\u003EDenise Roche\u003C/span\u003E: What groups are particularly vulnerable to gambling-related crime?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5404e05317343afb4c17fbc15e82328\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI\u003C/span\u003E: In 2008 the BDO Kendalls Not-for-profit Fraud Survey found that 53 percent of all the money stolen from charities was stolen to fund gambling activity\u2014some $180,000 per person, and that is just for those cases that were known. The real rate of theft from charities is much higher, and many of those caught gambling with stolen\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f144a6b1460043f7b8ced758f46ac9dd\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member has answered sufficiently. Really, the supplementary question was barely within the Standing Orders. The member has responsibility for only her bill, not for other matters. I could have ruled the question out. I have given the member a chance to answer it, but, really, it is not within the Standing Orders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002215c1572b866a4a0aafb0812ac48e5afd\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The question is in relation to the bill and its relationship to the issues for victims\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1cbfa3ea2284efc9a840505b074407a\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The Standing Orders provide for the member to be asked only details about her bill, not her opinion on other matters to do with crime or the proceeds of crime. It must relate to only the detail of her bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f4d9556852ec4f1d92222b58b9039aa8\u0022\u003EGeneral Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002253db566dadd540b3b1b744ddea8a3e8e\u0022\u003EGeneral Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u0022028a53a9a7e94b448b1ca79222980586\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022028a53a9a7e94b448b1ca79222980586\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the House take note of miscellaneous business. For the record, note that there is no written speech. I am not reading any speech. This is a speech that is given from the heart.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI am very interested in history, and I am particularly interested in the history of the Labour Party. That was why a couple of years ago Chris Auchinvole and I went to Blackball to learn all about the Blackball strikes. Darien Fenton refused to speak to us, but one or two trade unionists were actually very pleasant. And that was why I was so interested to hear about the New Zealand Fabian Society seminar The Kirk Legacy, which, we are told in this pamphlet, was 3 years of courage and achievement. We have here dear old Norman as the centrepiece\u2014I do not whether the photo was taken when he was shooting pigeons from the third floor of Parliament\u2014we have a photo of Fred Dagg, and we have a lovely photo of Whet\u016B Tirik\u0101tene-Sullivan, a wonderful woman. It was my privilege to get to know her in recent years. She was treated appallingly badly by the Labour Party. Helen Clark treated her like dirt. Then we have a very nice photo of another person I really respected, Bill Rowling, a good man. He was a really very nice man also treated appallingly by his colleagues in the Labour Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EWhen I read this pamphlet I initially thought it was out of Private Eye, but apparently there is an organisation called the Fabian Society. It is organised by some historian\u2014or self-styled historian\u2014guy in Auckland who runs a dairy in Mount Roskill, and I understand\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022524d1172681d48fa8c1d08ded3465204\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: So what\u2019s wrong with that, you snob?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1a16acfd30c42a99ce8e835e72a8963\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014that it is mixture of myth-making and airbrushing people out of history. I would say this to \u201CHer Honour\u201D: just keep quite and listen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe introduction was by this fellow called Gerard Hill. I was very surprised that Michael Bassett was not invited to speak. He wrote a very good book on the history of the Labour Party, and a very splendid book, I thought, called Working with David\u2014was it working with David or against him\u2014a history of the Lange Government. [Interruption] Oh, it was Cunliffe\u2019s book. Then we had a contribution \u201CBig Norm, Big Labour, and Big Ideas\u201D by Colin James, who was an apologist for the luvvies then and is now. We had a contribution \u201CMururoa and Nuclear Power\u201D from Kennedy \u201CI charge you with ecocide\u201D Graham, a lovely guy; it is just a shame he immatures with age. Then we had Bob Tizard, 90 and going strong. And then \u201CThe Future\u201D\u2014the future belongs to Jacinda Ardern, the Labour MP.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ELike all Labour publications or Fabian Society publications, it is replete with falsehoods. For example, we are told that Labour established the Accident Compensation Corporation, when we all know that it was Jack Marshall\u2019s Government in 1972 that started it up, when David Thomson was the Minister of Labour. I see that some of the third-grade apparatchiks on the other side look confused, because they do not know their party\u2019s history. Then we are told that the Treaty of Waitangi process, which Norman Kirk promoted, has been an unqualified success. Well, we all know that the years 1999 to 2008 were a disgrace in Treaty settlement terms, because they achieved nothing, and we also know that Mat Rata walked out of the Labour Party. Norm Kirk established our international environmental reputation? Well, that is rubbish, because Jack Marshall appointed the first Minister for the Environment. \u201CThe establishment of a New Zealand national shipping line was also a statement of independence.\u201D\u2014and also economic lunacy! Then we have the \u201Cinspiring action\u201D of Martyn Finlay\u2014and they could not spell Martyn Finlay\u2019s name properly. It is in the pamphlet as M-a-r-t-i-n F-i-n-l-e-y when anyone who knows anything knows that it is M-a-r-t-y-n F-i-n-l-a-y.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ESo what we actually have is a most amazing attempt to airbrush people out of history. As I say, where was Michael Bassett? Where was Roger Douglas, who was such a fine Postmaster-General in the time of Norman Kirk? These people were here, as Winston would know. These people could have made a contribution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ESo what sort of seminar are they going to have when they look at the years of David Shearer, in years to come? This history of the Labour Party from 1972 to 1975 brings us to the history that will be occurring at this weekend\u2019s Labour Party conference, because David Shearer and the leadership are history. Their future propagandists will not have to airbrush out Shearer\u2019s loyal troops, because they will be moved to the sidelines, just as Labour moved Peter Fraser to the sidelines for many years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u002243771741cd1d4c5992c72126a6b45c05\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002243771741cd1d4c5992c72126a6b45c05\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E On \u201CPlanet Labour\u201D I live in a country where we have got the highest unemployment in 20 years. It is the highest rate in 13 years, since Bill English was last Minister of Finance. I live in a country where, despite the National Party promise to stop people going to Australia, 180,000 people have gone, which is more than the population of Hamilton, of Napier and Hastings combined, or of Dunedin and Invercargill combined. I live in a country where the Government promised 170,000 new jobs, and the number of jobs is going in the wrong direction. I live in a country where youth unemployment is high, where M\u0101ori and Pacific youth unemployment is over 20 percent, and where the base level of unemployment amongst M\u0101ori and Pacific is 15 percent. I live in a country where we have the second-worst current account deficit in the world, after Greece, and next year it will be the worst in the world. And I live in a country where exports are down. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EOn the other side of the land, we have got the National Party saying it is all going well. Well, what do you have to call those members? What is that? Well, I think after Paula Bennett\u2019s episode today, you would have to say that that is fantasyland. We heard Paula Bennett today rewriting the next episode, the next reissue of Disneyland. We have already had \u201CGrumpy Growth English\u201D saying grumpy\u2014what the heck does \u201Cgrumpy growth\u201D mean? It is fantasyland. Then we had Paula Bennett saying that unemployment is bumpy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209560941388946e9ba86c44f206752ed\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Bouncy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229f8a95fa75504de5b387aa58186a8ec0\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Bouncy. Sorry, bouncy. I cannot close my eyes when I say that. We heard her saying that the unemployment figures are bouncy when the quarterly employment survey has had filled jobs going down. The household labour force survey has been going in the wrong direction for three quarters in a row, and unemployment is terrible, after 180,000 people have gone to Australia. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003ESo we have got \u201CGrumpy\u201D and we have \u201CBouncy\u201D. Well, I thought: who is \u201CDopey\u201D? Then I thought that Mr Speaker will not let me say that anyone is dopey, but I have to say that it was a dopey idea to improve educational outcomes by increasing class sizes. Unfortunately, there are two people with responsibility for that: Bill English and Hekia Parata. So I will not call anyone \u201CDopey\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThen, of course, what is Mr Key? Well, he is either \u201CSurprised\u201D or \u201CForgetful\u201D; I am not sure which. He was surprised that unemployment was going up\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226443f7456ca74de4bc853457215f6943\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: \u201CSleepy\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213ef578820a247c6bb60ca9efa225b88\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, \u201CSleepy\u201D? No, I think it is \u201CSurprised\u201D or \u201CForgetful\u201D. Business and Economic Research Ltd said unemployment was going up. ANZ National Bank said it was going to go up over 7 percent over time. \u201CForgetful\u201D\u2014well, we have got Dotcom. Remember the brain fade over that. He cannot even remember where he stood on the Springbok Tour\u2014all those important years\u2014or on the drinking age, or on anything else.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002299b4265fd9124436a2dd086a112c0e82\u0022\u003EIain Lees-Galloway\u003C/span\u003E: Who\u2019s \u201CSnow White\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208653055d17e420290f6c0a956cf956f\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: I was asked by someone \u201CWho\u2019s \u2018Snow White\u2019?\u201D. Who is \u201CSnow White\u201D? I had to think for a while, but\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9cddbc37b6441acad92f901493d4859\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Judith.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201fc1335b21c4c90b5101976551abc5c\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Exactly! It is Judith Collins, who is trying to reinvent herself. She was \u201CCrusher Collins\u201D; now she is soft. She is lining up for the future, competing against Steven Joyce for when John Key gives up, tired of his job. He does not like being surprised or being characterised as forgetful, and he is looking pretty disenchanted with the job. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EWe have got all these problems in the country and the Government will not do anything about the serious issues. It will not remove the tax bias in the economy. ASB just today said that the favourite investment class of New Zealand is, again, rental housing in Auckland. We need a capital gains tax to get money into the productive sector. We need universal KiwiSaver. We need a Government that is willing to help our exporters and the people who are employed in those industries by doing what the IMF and others are saying is necessary. If you are a small trading nation, you have to pay attention to your exchange rate, as well as to inflation. But National? No, it says it is on the right track. Who else thinks that? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EOn the other side of the House it is fantasyland, it is Disneyland, and it is time that those members acknowledged that this economy is not working for ordinary New Zealanders. They are leaving in their droves\u20141,000 in a month to Australia. There are declining rates of homeownership because people cannot afford their own house, in part because they are competing against residential landlords. It is time to change track.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00224a64037a55a34db1b832a43420d3ac76\u0022\u003EAmended Answers to Oral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225fe7fe9f681b43e29a0946c82a567bc5\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9 to Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022 data-id=\u00221d0e303488394171ae4a044ff880e72a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221d0e303488394171ae4a044ff880e72a\u0022\u003EHon CRAIG FOSS (Associate Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to correct an answer to a supplementary question from Mr Hipkins.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ac169d29-4849-42c2-a4a7-f344fd416503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b5dd61416c441b3ad0d56a591985d11\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There is no objection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022debbb7b862c64d8882831408c9b70802\u0022\u003EHon CRAIG FOSS\u003C/span\u003E: I inadvertently answered one of Mr Hipkins\u2019 questions incorrectly. It was one about compensation for someone who may have suffered penalty because of their missed mortgage payment. I apologise to the House. I misheard the question. I interpreted it in a different way. In fact, the Ministry of Education has consistently made it clear that it would reimburse any staff member who has been financially disadvantaged by the transition to Novopay, such as incurring penalties on a missed payment. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002282ff26768c26481eaf36c422099721cd\u0022\u003EGeneral Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223d986ce24b8547f4872ddc75ca8ef252\u0022\u003EGeneral Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000257\u0022\u003EDebate resumed.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022 data-id=\u0022d48983e987e04a9286e5049841ca85fe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d48983e987e04a9286e5049841ca85fe\u0022\u003EHon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN (Minister of Defence):\u003C/span\u003E Only three sleeps to go until the Labour Party conference, and I do not know who is more excited\u2014us, or the Labour Party caucus\u2014because on that day we are going to find out what is really going to be the future for the Labour Party, and I predict it is going to be very, very dismal. But these people are like kids waiting for Christmas. David Cunliffe cannot wait to unwrap the Christmas presents, Grant Robertson is already nibbling on the cake in the fridge, and of course, once again, Clayton Cosgrove is not going to get the present he wants because he is the one person who is not being named in the leadership speculation. I do not think it is any surprise that their party is saying that they are going to have to get their caucus to swear an oath of allegiance during leadership competitions. But I do not think there is a single oath that could bind David Cunliffe, because he is to loyalty what Taito Phillip Field was to honesty. So, quite frankly, I think these guys are in massive trouble. It is going to be a very interesting weekend. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022\u003EBut another very interesting factor this weekend is going to be the debate around the policy remits that the Labour Party is putting forward. We have heard a lot from these people today about job creation and their great laments about what they think is going on in the economy, but when David Parker spoke, the only idea we heard was a capital gains tax. That is their prescription for getting the New Zealand economy back on track. So they are focusing all their efforts on tearing each other apart in a fruitless, thankless leadership competition. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022\u003EThe guy I feel sorry for, frankly, is David Shearer, because David Shearer is a decent man. He is too good for these guys, quite frankly. He is a person who is doing his level best, but these guys just, quite frankly, do not appreciate a quality leader when they see him. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022\u003EEleven of these people were meeting with David Cunliffe last night. They were wandering around the members and guests\u2019 dining room, looking for a place to plot. They very rarely go up there, so they did not actually know where they could find a private room. There they all were, all the lefties. They were just there from the meeting with Helen Clark. Jacinda Ardern was there, Parekura Horomia was there, Clayton Cosgrove was not invited because he is not in the Cunliffe camp, Sue Moroney was there, Ruth Dyson was there, and they were doing the numbers. They were circling around, working out how they were going to install the man whom they cannot stand as the leader of the Labour Party. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022\u003EIf you want to know the reality of it, you want to read the New Zealand Herald editorial today, because it says that David Shearer is a very decent man and that he has actually got a personality that appeals to New Zealanders, unlike some of the other leadership contenders. So these guys are really in a cleft stick there, because they have got a leader whom they do not support, who is fundamentally a decent man and a decent bloke. The only alternative for them is a guy they cannot stand. And who are they going to put in? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022\u003EThe fact is I do not think anyone over there has got the guts to stand up and take the leadership when it is on offer. I predict what will happen is that David Shearer will ride this through and continue as the leader of the Labour Party, because none of those people are going to seize their chance. That is what you have got to do in politics. Grant is all talk, but it will not happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022\u003EIf you are really worried, you should be, because when you read this list of Labour Party remits it is all about banning stuff and stopping jobs. So here we go. What are they going to do? They are going to nationalise any partially sold assets. That is going to be up for debate, so it will be interesting to see how they go on that. They are going to ban seabed mining for minerals, oil, and gas. They want to ban fracking. They are going to ban all coalmining. These are the basic ideas from the Labour Party base. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022\u003EBut there are some good things here, according to their base. They want a SuperGold card for transport, for under-21s, and, at the same time, they are going to lower the voting age to 16 and make Te Reo compulsory for everyone under 15. They are also going to bring back so-called healthy food in schools. They are going to ban companies that do not pay a so-called living wage from winning Government contracts. Well, that is going to be something that Clayton Cosgrove is really going to struggle to understand. So when you look at what we have got here\u2014oh, what else have they got? Direct KiwiRail as to who must win its tenders, and raise the age of superannuation to 67 for everyone, except M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022\u003ESo if those are the ideas that are coming out of the Labour Party base\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c20d79e45a0044a694dedcbf5f7d577f\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: No, they\u2019re coming from your research unit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc44654f628943a9bd55caffbc4dbb6b\u0022\u003EHon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014do you really think, when you mix that together with the Green prescription for printing money, that that is going to be a path for getting the New Zealand economy going? More important\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf058b0e28874f16933b679faf43a620\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Show us the bit of paper you\u2019re reading from, Jonathan. I bet it\u2019s not a Labour Party document.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205802ba10ccc47b0a33f084c801f7e43\u0022\u003EHon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN\u003C/span\u003E: No, that is not from the National Party research unit. These are your policy remits for debate and decision. There is not one idea in here for getting the economy going. If you look at the facts, National has got the economy going in the right direction\u2014halve the deficit, back into surplus by 2014-15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022 data-id=\u0022225211ebf97145ea9ac71036d5df1133\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022225211ebf97145ea9ac71036d5df1133\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Labour\u2014New Lynn):\u003C/span\u003E Taking political advice from \u201CThe Maestro\u201D of Mt Albert is a bit like learning humour from Chris Finlayson. Chris Finlayson has so little to say about the National Party that he spent the whole of his speech talking about the Labour Party, and this member, the \u201CMinister for Cigarettes\u201D, the brain of Mt Albert, is content to bad-mouth Labour while Rome burns. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003ENew Zealand is burning. Jobs are burning. Manufacturing is burning. Thousands of New Zealanders are leaving, and the ostrich economists on the other side pretend nothing is wrong. This is not about them or about us. This is about New Zealanders who cannot pay the bills, who cannot support their families, who cannot find a job. As Jacinda Ardern pointed out, they are the thousands upon thousands who have queued up for jobs at supermarkets and fast-food chains because that is all that they could find. And what does this Government say to those New Zealanders? \u201CYou are lazy. You are not trying hard enough.\u201D Which one of the 2,700 Kiwis queuing for 100 supermarket jobs was lazy? The 2,600 who were back in the queue? Do not insult New Zealanders, members. Do not insult their hard work. Do not insult the belief of those who are still in New Zealand that there might be a future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EUnemployment is at 7.3 percent. That is the worst in 13 years. It is the worst since the last time Bill English was the Minister of Finance. It is up 74 percent since National took office. John Key promised 170,000 new jobs. What have we got? We have got 175,000 more unemployed\u2014175,000 people looking for work. The jobless rate is up 65 percent. Underemployment, people who are just making do with part-time work, is up nearly 40 percent. The number of people on the dole is up\u2014wait for it\u2014116 percent. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EIs it the rest of the world\u2019s fault, as National has said? Well, it really cannot be, because the increase in New Zealand\u2019s unemployment has been one and a half times that of the rest of the OECD. So it cannot be the rest of the world dragging us down; we are dragging them down. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EJust this morning the retail trade figures showed again that grocery spending\u2014the basics\u2014is down 60 million bucks in a quarter, or nearly 8 percent. People cannot feed their families, and National is content to make bad jokes about members of this House. No wonder the public is losing confidence in the institution of Parliament, sadly, and certainly New Zealanders are increasingly disappointed in this Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003ESo what is the bigger problem? Is it inflation that is below the target range, or is it unemployment that is through the roof? And, if it is inflation, why will those members not modernise a monetary policy framework that was written last century and flies in the face of the global financial crisis? Why are they happy to subsidise agriculture, like through irrigation subsidies, and wipe out the emissions trading scheme, giving farmers a free ride and pollution subsidies, while jobs burn, manufacturing closes, and thousands of New Zealanders are leaving? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EWe are here on this side of the House, we are here together as a team, because we are not prepared to draw down the curtain on New Zealand. We are not prepared to give up on our country. That is what brings us to work every day, and the difference between this Government\u2019s \u201Cvision\u201D and ours is stark. Its vision is a dumb economy vision of basic pastoral agriculture, open-cast mining, and fat cat bankers, while ordinary New Zealanders are fleeing from their country, cannot feed their families, and cannot find a job. New Zealand wants a smart, green economy with the jobs of the future that pay good wages and build smart products and services that people will pay the world for. We have got nothing against agriculture\u2014it is our backbone\u2014but it is not enough, and just milking a few more cows or mining a bit more coal is not going to change the fundamental decline of our economy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EThese are serious issues for serious times. They are not a laughing matter. There are real people hurting, and it is the future of our country on the line.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u00229bbf65ea0e1d4a3e89ae933ad7888a69\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229bbf65ea0e1d4a3e89ae933ad7888a69\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E Sometimes it is the little things that happen around here in Parliament that tell us about what is really going down here, and so it was last night when Government members grabbed a bite to eat in the members\u2019 dining room. It was like watching the great Messiah gather with the disciples for that Last Supper. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EIt begins with David Cunliffe confidently strolling in at 6.30, smiling like the Cheshire cat, in search of his cabal of close colleagues. He realises he is in the wrong place but, as one to never admit the errors of mere mortals, makes quiet conversation and exits through the next door with conspiracy all over his face. Not a minute passes, and in come Jacinda Ardern and Chris Hipkins in search of Mr Cunliffe. We politely give them directions and advise them that we are signed-up members of the \u201CNats for Shearer\u201D club. They guiltily slink off through the door. Next scurry in Darien Fenton and Phil Twyford. They are much more sheepish in seeking out their messiah, but we, again, helpfully direct them to the correct room. Clare Curran, Ross Robertson, and Parekura Horomia are the next group of lost disciples, although going by their looks I would be a little bit worried that one of them is, indeed, the Judas. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003ESo what are we to make of these goings on? The first is that Labour cannot even organise a proper coup without the help of National MPs. One would not trust those members to organise a booze-up in a brewery, let alone a change of leadership. How can Labour members pretend they are capable of running the country when they cannot even run themselves? The second is that the end is nigh for Mr Shearer. The question now is only a matter of when, not if. The third is that the battle for the soul of the Labour Party is between the \u201CABC\u201D club\u2014the old guard, like David Parker and Trevor Mallard\u2014and the new, young disciples of David Cunliffe, like Jacinda Ardern and Chris Hipkins. The fourth is this: this weekend\u2019s Labour conference is going to be all about just one thing: leadership, or, rather, the lack of it. Why on earth would debating the constitutional changes over leadership be the key item on the agenda when your leader is languishing in the polls and hanging on by the end of his fingernails? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EBut Labour\u2019s problems are actually much deeper than leadership. It is just not credible for Labour to say it is all for jobs and then to oppose every realistic initiative for job creation, whether it is The Hobbit, the International Convention Centre, aquaculture, mining, or irrigation projects. It is not credible for Labour to shed crocodile tears about housing affordability and then promote monetary policy changes that will only drive up interest rates and the cost of housing. Nor is it credible for Labour to wail about export growth and then propose new taxes and new charges that will sock our export sector between the eyes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EMy advice to the disciples of both Mr Cunliffe and Mr Shearer is that before you pick your messiah, you have got to get your gospel sorted out. The real challenge is for the Opposition to put up a united, credible alternative plan. The problem for Labour members this weekend is that they are so focused on themselves and their internal squabbles that they have absolutely nothing to offer the people of New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022 data-id=\u0022232dea56a8b849e39138e311ade79d13\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022232dea56a8b849e39138e311ade79d13\u0022\u003EDr KENNEDY GRAHAM (Green):\u003C/span\u003E With the next climate change conference less than 2 weeks away, in Doha, New Zealand has wilfully turned its back on the rest of the world. We have turned our back on our moral and political obligations. We are now guilty of our proportionate share in guaranteeing dangerous climate change. Under this Government, New Zealand has turned down the wrong road. We have entered weak targets that are unilateral, conditional, and informal, and have ignored the pleas from other countries to make a formal commitment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003EWe have turned away from the undertaking of the developed countries in the Framework Convention on Climate Change to take the lead with immediate action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and we are repudiating a legally binding second commitment period under the Kyoto Protocol, committing ourselves to voluntary pledges instead. We have weakened the emissions trading scheme to the point of oblivion, claiming it to be a \u201CRolls-Royce\u201D model that can be revved up to suit the circumstances, but leaving it with no credible pathway ahead and piling up fiscal debt for future generations. We are missing a critical opportunity to move to a high tech, competitive economy that promotes green investment and green jobs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003EWe are guilty of our proportionate share in guaranteeing dangerous climate change. Dangerous climate change is a temperature rise of over 2 degrees, yet voluntary pledges to date under the convention commit us to 4.2 degrees. That takes us beyond danger territory into possibly catastrophic climate change. It invites tipping points to the ecosystem and the biosphere, of which we have stunningly little knowledge. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003EMost telling of all, our two national leaders in climate policy, the Prime Minister and the Minister for Climate Change Issues, are guilty of argumentation that can be seen only, I conclude, as intellectually dishonest. I acknowledge their personal integrity, so I call upon them to show us that this is not the case. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003ELet me elaborate. The convention of 1992 lays down a division between North and South, between the developed and the developing world. The North, in light of its largest share of historical and current global emissions, must take the lead with immediate action in reducing emissions, while the South is allowed to grow emissions to meet its development needs. This distinction still applies until the framework convention of 1992 is supplemented by a global legal agreement with binding obligations to reduce emissions by all countries. That will be in 2020. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003EFor a transition period of 2013-19, the North/South distinction still remains. Yet this Government assures the public that it is \u201Cjoining up with 85 percent of global emissions\u201D in going the voluntary route with our \u201CAsia-Pacific trading partners\u201D. Well, of course we are, because most of the 85 percent are in the South, with no obligation to reduce as yet. The other 15 percent are the Kyoto group, of which we should be part, which are taking on binding commitments under the second commitment period. That includes Australia. The fact that the US, Canada, and Japan are not does not absolve us from our own obligation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003EThere is, it seems to me, a touch of intellectual dishonesty in the 85 percent argument. There is a risk here, no doubt unintentional, of misleading the public, because it offers a false reassurance that it is at odds with the 1992 legal framework. We should be ashamed, yet this Government is not. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003EThe Minister\u2019s highest skill level was displayed in the House yesterday, when he justified his climate policy by flourishing a photograph of some Romney sheep. He needs to understand that our sheep industry, although less emissions-intensive than elsewhere, emits more than it should, and more than it needs to. Welshing on Kyoto and weakening our emissions trading scheme loses the opportunity to incentivise agriculture to be more climate-friendly. Rather than attempt theatrics, the Minister should recall the Stern Review, which said that with 5 to 6 degrees warming, which is \u201Ca real possibility for the next century\u201D, abrupt and large-scale climate change projects estimate an average 5 to 10 percent loss in global GDP. We have to be wilfully blind to allow ourselves to get into this indefensible position\u2014indefensible before the court of international opinion, indefensible in the eyes of the New Zealand public. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022 data-id=\u0022795c6d20bda84ba2b3ad4f9634703350\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022795c6d20bda84ba2b3ad4f9634703350\u0022\u003EHon TAU HENARE (National):\u003C/span\u003E I was intrigued by the talk this afternoon by David Parker about unemployment. I wanted to maybe flick the House a few observations of my own. One of those observations is particularly about M\u0101ori unemployment, which is not 20 percent, as Mr Parker said in this House. It is, unfortunately, 15 percent. One of the reasons why we do have, and always have had, a very, very large and shameful M\u0101ori unemployment rate is that we are actually very, very young. Our youth population is very, very large, and it is one of the reasons why we have such a high unemployment rate, and such other high rates of low educational standards. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EBut I want to say that when people have a go at us on this side of the House for our so-called appalling 7.3 percent unemployment rate, I want to reply by saying that Argentina, the UK, Sweden, the Philippines, Peru, Paraguay, Israel, Greenland, and Finland are all between 7 percent and 7.9 percent unemployment. I am not saying that it is great to have a 7 percent unemployment rate, but I am saying that what people need to do is actually look very seriously at the world economy and at what effect that has had on our country and others around the world. Spain has 25 percent unemployment, Greece has 25 percent unemployment, Portugal has 15 percent unemployment, and Ireland has 15 percent unemployment. Those figures show that the world economy did tank, and it has taken a while to get back on track. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003ENew Zealand is no different from any other country in the world. We have our struggles. I know that there are other parties, and I respect what they say in terms of where they want to go, in terms of where they want to print money and do whatever. But at the end of the day, we are the Government, and we have to make some calls on what we do. I am absolutely glad that we do have a National Government in charge of the economy, because the National Government, the National Party, are the only ones that have shown in the past that when there are bad times out there, who do you call? Not ghostbusters, of course, but you call on the National Party, because it has experience in running the country and in running the country in bad times. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI want to also make this point quite clear. It is another, completely different issue. There are those of my culture who continue to shout at the top of their voices that we do not recognise the white man\u2019s law, and in the same breath in court they use that excuse for their own criminality, such as the growing and the supplying of cannabis to our community. This is a growing concern of mine, that people\u2014our people, M\u0101ori people\u2014are standing up in court and saying: \u201CI don\u2019t recognise the P\u0101keh\u0101 law. I don\u2019t recognise the white man\u2019s law.\u201D, and it is because they are using their culture as an excuse for their own criminality. I am really, really concerned about those people. These are people who supposedly say they are leaders in our community. My message to those people, who are no more than just petty criminals\u2014that is all they are\u2014is to get off this bandwagon and stop using our culture, which is a beautiful culture, which is a magnificent culture, for your own criminality. Kia ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022 data-id=\u0022e04e38d1f18e42368f9bac117ec80a52\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e04e38d1f18e42368f9bac117ec80a52\u0022\u003EJACINDA ARDERN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I am glad that the speaker who just preceded me, Tau Henare, mentioned the quote \u201CAt the end of the day, we are the Government.\u201D, and that is absolutely correct. Finally, a member on that side of the House is willing to stand up and take responsibility for what is the highest unemployment this century. We have asked questions in this House, and rightfully so, because it is a deadly serious matter. And what have we heard from members on that side of the House today? Chatter about who was having dinner with whom. It is an insult, an absolute insult, to New Zealanders who are struggling to find work that all that side of the House can do is make jokes at a time when people are suffering. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EIn fact, if the worst insult that the Minister for Social Development can level at me in the House today is that I am uptight and angry about unemployment, then that would be the most accurate thing she has said today. I am, and I would hope that the Minister for Social Development might be as well, but unfortunately not. Instead, when you ask the Minister for Social Development why it is that unemployment benefit numbers have doubled on her watch, what is her answer? Her answer is the economic recession\u2014\u201CThe toughest times worldwide.\u201D If you go on then to ask her whether or not it means that her punitive welfare reforms are justified and fair, given the economic situation we are in, she will respond with \u201CThere are jobs and people will get one only if they look.\u201D This is a Minister who is trying to have it both ways. On one hand, it is not her fault that people are on the unemployment benefit because of the economy; on the other, she is completely justified in introducing punitive sanctions\u201457,000 sanctions used per annum. That is double what were being used under Labour when benefit rates were lower. The Minister cannot have it both ways, and yet she is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EThere are 50,000 people on an unemployment benefit who are looking for work, and to have the Minister claim that they are not is an insult. There are 174,000 unemployed people looking for work who were just insulted by that Minister today. There are 142,000 who are underemployed, who are looking for more work but cannot find it, and, therefore, are probably struggling to put food on the table. But, apparently, according to that Minister, they are just not looking very hard either. This Minister, who tried to come down to this House and justify her rationale that there are jobs for those who are looking, decided to do so by giving us a few examples. The Warehouse, she told us, was looking for seasonal employment. Well, I used to be one of those seasonal workers at The Warehouse. I know that those jobs end. And in fact when they did advertise full-time jobs, there were 1,200 applications for 111 jobs. The next best example she could come up with was New World\u2014not even built yet\u2014in Paraparaumu. In fact, I understand the walls are not even up, but she was already crowing that that would bring about new jobs. Well, when New World advertised recently for 150 jobs, 2,700 New Zealanders lined up to try to get those jobs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003ENew Zealanders are desperate to find work and that Minister\u2019s claim that they are just not looking hard enough is indicative of the kind of approach that this Government has been taking to an economic crisis and a crisis of jobs: the stand back and wait, the \u201CShe\u2019ll be right.\u201D, the market will fix it, hands-off approach. For 4 years that approach has failed New Zealanders, and it is only good and right that David Shearer called on that Government today to change track. When the facts are presented, the Government should change its mind about its plan, whatever that plan is, because clearly it is not working. But, instead, what have Government members done? Well, if they cannot improve the economy, all they can change is social security, and that is the injustice of all of this. To say that all the responsibility should go on the job seekers, who are fulfilling their end of the social contract and looking for work, while that side of the House throws their hands up when it comes to the economy, is an absolute outrage and it is just not right. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EI know that this weekend Labour will continue to be talking to its values\u2014that is, a fair and just society where people get a fair break. That is what New Zealanders need right now and that is why they are marching away from that Government in their droves.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022 data-id=\u0022093f2d7552a849778a4507faf2adda21\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022093f2d7552a849778a4507faf2adda21\u0022\u003EJAMI-LEE ROSS (National\u2014Botany):\u003C/span\u003E After that speech by Jacinda Ardern, I think that we are starting to see a new leadership contender emerge, because that was the most energetic speech I have heard all afternoon from the Labour Party. I have been waiting for about half an hour for David Shearer to take the stand and have a go in the general debate, as he usually does. I actually enjoyed watching the Labour Party last week, because it was the most sad, disappointed, heads-buried-in-their-desk performance from Labour MPs watching their leader that I have ever seen, and that is how you know that the Labour Party is looking for a leadership change. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003EDuring question time we had the three Davids on their feet. We had David Shearer trying his best, trying not to stutter 10 times throughout his questions and not quite succeeding, trying to hold on to his job. Then we had David Parker asking some questions, as well. David Parker is always the professor, the pointy-headed professor doing his best with the numbers, but he had to drop out last time. He had to drop out last time, and probably is doing so again this time round. And then we had David Cunliffe\u2014David Cunliffe, the great messiah. He is growing a beard again. Have we all noticed that? What does that mean? What happened last time David Cunliffe grew a beard? It was leadership time; that is when he last grew a beard. David Cunliffe is growing a beard again, and I think David Shearer should be worried about that. But we had the three Davids on show, on performance, trying to show their colleagues what they are made of. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003EWe have got the big conference this weekend coming up, as well. Do you know what is interesting about this conference? What is interesting about this conference is that that is when they start to adopt their new rules. These new leadership rules are when they start to have members having their say. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003ESo what are members of the Labour Party saying about their leader? They are about to give Labour Party members a bit of a say in their leadership. Here we go, there is a great website called The Standard. It is full of Labour Party members spouting their views. Here is one: \u201CDavid Shearer has simply shown time and again that he is not up for the job. He can\u2019t handle the stress, he can\u2019t think on his feet, and he doesn\u2019t have a solid set of beliefs to give him a firm footing when he stands up on issues.\u201D How about another one? \u201CI should have listened to Brian Edwards and to that little voice inside that was telling me Shearer was unsalvageable as talent. \u2026 it is that hamfistedness that has finally been the deal breaker for me. I just can\u2019t imagine how David Shearer could survive an election campaign \u2026\u201D. That is what Labour Party members are saying about their current leader. That is what Labour Party members are saying about their leader, whom they are about to have a say on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003EAnd what about this Brian Edwards? What do we know of Brian Edwards, because David Shearer likes to say that it is just bloggers talking to bloggers. I do not think Mr Brian Edwards would consider himself a blogger. Brian Edwards happens to be the biographer for \u201CDear Leader\u201D, for \u201CAuntie Helen\u201D\u2014for Helen Clark. Brian Edwards was also the media manager, the person who did all the training. What does Brian Edwards say? He says: \u201C\u2026 Shearer is harming rather than helping Labour\u2019s cause and [so much so] that he cannot continue to lead the party.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003EWhat else do we know about Brian Edwards and Helen Clark? Helen Clark is in the country at the moment. Those members want to deny it. They want to deny it, but I was there. I was in the dining room; I saw them walking through the dining room. I saw David Cunliffe come through, then Chris Hipkins and Jacinda Ardern put their heads round the corner. They scuttled off again, but in came Darien Fenton and Phil Twyford. Darien Fenton is one we should watch. She is the union powerbroker at the moment. Darien Fenton is actually the union powerbroker. Andrew Little thinks it is him. Andrew Little thinks it is him, but it is actually Darien Fenton. So these are the members of the Labour Party who David Cunliffe had trotting along to the little meeting, and Helen Clark was in the country too. We know what texts from New York are all about\u2014they are about when the leadership comes around. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern wants to say that we are joking too much. And yeah, we are having a bit of fun at those members\u2019 expense, but they are about to change their leader. But I want to tell the House what is a real joke. Here are the Labour Party policy proposals for the weekend. This is scary stuff; this is no joke. These are the policy proposals that Labour is proposing on the weekend. A financial transactions tax. You know, if we cannot earn more money through revenue, let us just tax people more. That is a Hone Heke tax, as Hone Harawira would probably say. A universal child benefit, so millionaires can get paid for having kids. Well, I think that is something Kim Dotcom would quite like, too. There is 52 weeks\u2019 paid parental leave. Not content with costing us half a billion dollars more in paid parental leave for 26 weeks, those members want to move it to 52 weeks. They want to ban fracking, they want to ban seabed mining, they want to ban certain foods in schools, and they want a mineral export tax. That is not a joke. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003EThey want to hurt New Zealanders more, lose more jobs. We are for growing jobs, we are for growing the economy, and that is why New Zealanders love the John Key Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022 data-id=\u0022ac8d7155361143c1849795caa8965490\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ac8d7155361143c1849795caa8965490\u0022\u003ESu\u2019a WILLIAM SIO (Labour\u2014M\u0101ngere):\u003C/span\u003E So far the contribution from the Government, I would say, is insulting to New Zealanders listening. It lacks empathy and it lacks understanding of the reality of the situation that we now face. In fact, Government members have attempted to try to couch it in fairy tale terms, describing real problems as \u201Cgrumpy\u201D and \u201Cbouncy\u201D. They are attempting to defer the problem elsewhere by saying that we were better off than other countries. The reality is that that Government needs to pull its head out of the fairy tale clouds and face the reality. We live in the here and now. We live in New Zealand. We do not live in any other country. It is New Zealand people who are experiencing difficulties. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EAs of last Thursday, the rate of unemployment is 7.3 percent. That is 175,000 people on the unemployment roll. If you combine that with the number of jobless people of almost 300,000, with over 113,000 people who are working part-time or casually but looking for more work, that is more than 400,000 people out of work or looking for more hours to work. That is the here and now. That is the reality. Those are real people and real families, struggling to make ends meet, who have children to support. That is what we are facing, and that side continues to treat it as if it is somehow some fairy tale\u2014that it is not real. I suspect that many of them on that side will not know what poverty is like. Probably many of them\u2014and I know of one or two on that side\u2014have never worked in their life, because they have been in politics ever since they have been 18. So they will not know the reality of not having a job, of not having work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EI want to make reference to Mr Henare with reference to the M\u0101ori unemployment rate. He said that with the M\u0101ori population being generally younger, that was one of the reasons why there were more unemployed M\u0101ori. I think our populations, Mr Henare\u2014M\u0101ori and Pacific Islanders\u2014are predominantly younger. But that is not the reason why they are unemployed. They are unemployed because there are no jobs. They are unemployed because this Government is refusing to invest in their future. They are unemployed because everything this Government has done has not panned out to what it promised. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003ELet me tell you. Do people remember the Job Summit when those members came into Government? We have not heard any more from that Job Summit. Do people remember the 170,000 new jobs, which was the target the Government was going to set? Well, we did not get 170,000 jobs. Instead, we lost jobs, and now we have got 175,000 people unemployed. Do people remember the tax switch? We were told that by giving tax cuts to the top 10 percent of employers that somehow we were going to get more jobs. Do people remember the 90-day bill? If employers were able to fire people easily, we would get more jobs. Do people remember the youth rates? Somehow, by paying young people less\u201480 percent of the minimum wage\u2014there would be more jobs created. There are no jobs created, and I know that the surge in unemployment means that this Government has not been able to keep any of its promises in respect of unemployment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EI want to make reference to this. Those members blamed it on the recession. Well, the recession officially ended in 2009, but they blamed it. They blamed it. Those are your reports. Those are the reports of the Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EI want to make reference to the last time that we had such high unemployment numbers, which was 13 years ago, when Jenny Shipley of the National Government was the Prime Minister. In 1999, under that Government, M\u0101ori unemployment was 14.8 percent. It was the same for Pacific Islanders. It was the Labour Government\u2014a Labour Government\u2014from 1999 to 2008 that reduced M\u0101ori unemployment to 8.2 percent and to 7.3 percent for Pacific Islanders. Where are we now? Both M\u0101ori and Pacific Islanders are at 15 percent\u201415 percent. In so far as M\u0101ori and Pacific communities are concerned, whenever National is in power, unemployment for Pacific Islanders and M\u0101ori is always high.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022 data-id=\u00222360ba57333d47f1b1564ff5a2b3a8e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222360ba57333d47f1b1564ff5a2b3a8e7\u0022\u003EHONE HARAWIRA (Leader\u2014Mana):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa e te Whare. Hoi n\u014D hei t\u012Bmatangia i taku k\u014Drero me mihi atu ki a koe Su\u2019a e k\u014Drerohia mai ng\u0101 k\u014Drero m\u014D te hunga kore mahi, me w\u0101 t\u0101tou nei whanaunga M\u0101ori, Pasifika an\u014D hoki kore taea te whai mahi i te mea, horekau he mahi kei roto o Aotearoa. N\u014D reir\u0101, mihi atu ki a koe e k\u014Drero ana i t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker, and greetings to us all in the House. So to begin my address I really acknowledge you, Su\u2019a, for relating stories to us about those without work, and about our M\u0101ori relatives, and Pasifika relatives as well, who are unable to find employment because there are absolutely no jobs here in New Zealand. And so, I salute you for making that statement.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EThree months ago the Children\u2019s Commissioner\u2019s Expert Advisory Group on Solutions to Child Poverty released its report, in which it said: \u201CChildren living in poverty are those who experience deprivation of the material resources and income that is required for them to develop and thrive, leaving such children unable to enjoy their rights, achieve their full potential and participate as full and equal members of New Zealand society.\u201D It then went on to say that if we use the poverty measure adopted by other developed countries\u2014i.e., of families earning less than 60 percent of median income after housing costs have been deducted\u2014then fully 25 percent, or 270,000, of New Zealand children could, for all practical purposes, be said to be living in poverty, with many experiencing significant material deprivation. It said that poverty rates for M\u0101ori and Pacific Island children are twice as high as for P\u0101keh\u0101 kids, that M\u0101ori and Pacific Island kids are twice as likely to be living in severe and persistent poverty, and that child poverty rates in New Zealand are twice as high as they were 30 years ago. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EAlthough we may choose to argue, debate, or differ in the way in which we measure poverty, I think that if any one of us in this House was to sit back and give full and proper consideration to what the priorities of a good and decent society might be, surely the well-being of children would rank at the top, or very close to it. That is where I would like to think my Education (Breakfast and Lunch Programmes in Schools) Amendment Bill fits. What it is is simply a proposal to make sure that kids in our poorer schools get something to eat every day through the provision of fully funded nutritional breakfasts and lunches in all decile 1 and 2 schools in Aotearoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EI hear that some social commentators like to talk about child poverty as if it was caused by poor parental choice, bad morals, or poor work ethics. But there is little hard evidence that poor people mismanage their income any more than those who are better off. In fact, research shows that the main causes of poverty lie elsewhere: the lack of jobs, low incomes, inadequate, over-crowded and high-cost housing, poorly targeted welfare, racism in the labour market, a lack of education, poor health, institutional racism in the New Zealand police force and the judicial system, etc., etc., etc. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EWhat we do know is that local and international evidence confirms that food in schools programmes improve children\u2019s educational outcomes, school attendance, and classroom behaviour. We know that in 2011, based on analysis of data and experiences of national and international food in schools initiatives, the Child Poverty Action Group recommended the introduction of healthy meals in all decile 1 and 2 schools in Aotearoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EWe know that in 2012, the Children\u2019s Commissioner\u2019s expert advisory group called on the Government to provide a national strategy for food in early childhood education centres and schools in low-decile neighbourhoods. We know that with regard to the high number of decile 1 and 2 schools providing food to students now, there is clear evidence of a pressing need for food to be made available on a sustained and secure basis and that food in schools programmes should not have to rely solely on charity and volunteers. Depending on charity, particularly in difficult economic times, is risky and uncertain, as the termination of the Red Cross programme shows. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EI applaud the efforts of all those schools, businesses, charities, and health promotion agencies for their support. Food in schools is a positive, practical, and simple step to helping to eliminate poverty, and I am grateful for the broad support that I have received since putting the bill in the ballot back in August. I welcome the indications of support from other parties in the House for such an initiative. I thank Campbell Live for the excellent series it did on food in schools, and I look forward to working with my colleagues right across the House to make this bill a reality when it finally comes before Parliament. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022 data-id=\u002276bff78e198a4258b0a4acffc154fcc0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002276bff78e198a4258b0a4acffc154fcc0\u0022\u003EMARK MITCHELL (National\u2014Rodney):\u003C/span\u003E I am very happy to take a call in this general debate. I have had to listen today to the Opposition going on about how this Government, this party, is making fun of a serious situation. We are not actually making fun of anything. What I would say is this. For a Parliament to work well, it is generally recognised that you have to have a good, strong Opposition. We do not have a good, strong Opposition in this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EI would like to refer to a letter that was received by a constituent of mine, and he has given me permission to use it in the House today. Not only is he someone who focuses on keeping the Government to account but also he wants to make sure that he is being serviced by a strong Opposition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225cc955e472414415a115a39a1a757961\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: What does he say?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228899a0b9322f4ebfb0c0d84a8638ce67\u0022\u003EMARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I will tell you what it says, but before I do that, before I read this letter, I would just like to come back and mention something that Minister Coleman said earlier in his speech, and that is the fact that, actually, David Shearer is a good man. I think he is a good man. He has done some great things in his life. He could be an excellent leader for the Labour Party, but the fact of the matter is that it is hard to soar like an eagle when you are surrounded by turkeys, and I think that is probably the situation that Mr Shearer finds himself in. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EThis is the sort of letter that Labour members send out in their leader\u2019s name. This letter is to my constituent, explaining what they are planning to do, on 20 September 2012: \u201CI can assure you \u2026\u201D\u2014the start is not too bad, actually. \u201CI can assure you that Labour MPs are concentrating on their portfolios.\u201D Well, they always say to start a letter with a bit of comedy, and I guess that he got 10 out of 10 for that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd5c17a077d64423a9cc110a21e79141\u0022\u003EJami-Lee Ross\u003C/span\u003E: Does it have stutters in it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ae2b76cebe440ddb038902c8e1ba071\u0022\u003EMARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: No, it does not. But then he went on to say: \u201CWe are working on a number of important things at the moment.\u201D Well, the comedy has gone too far now. It has got to stop. I will not read you the rest of the letter\u2014the whole letter\u2014because it will probably put you to sleep, but I will get to the last part of the letter. It says: \u201CLabour is developing bold new ideas to grow.\u201D\u2014bold new ideas to grow. I would say that a mauling by a white mouse would be more bold than some of the ideas we have seen being generated by the Opposition. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EIt continues: \u201CWe will be talking a lot more about our plan for the economy in the weeks and months ahead.\u201D Well, this was written on 20 September 2012. In all fairness, I guess we can say that we are starting to see some policy being announced by the Opposition: turning contractors into employees, banning plastic bags in tuck shops, reversing employment law change\u2014what does that mean? Picking on poor, defenceless hobbits? This is the sort of stuff that is being generated from the Opposition members, and that is why, if they feel that there has been some fun poked at them, they are leaving themselves wide open to it, because you are the Opposition\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c59fad880eb0457ab14c298ac7401d2d\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f18e8a67168243e19b79bf45dda6f5a4\u0022\u003EMARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, Mr Assistant Speaker, you are quite right. I would like to come back and just read a quote here from an ex - Labour candidate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b72f6d4445b94b19a9634b66bf352b6c\u0022\u003EChris Auchinvole\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s it say?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239767e419ac24a088e5531679e87b50e\u0022\u003EMARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: This is what it says: \u201CWe\u2019re waiting for David Shearer to give us the Labour narrative. \u2026 Where\u2019s he headed? What is his direction?\u201D. That is Josie Pagani in the New Zealand Herald. That is what the country is waiting for, and it is not getting it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EThe other thing that I would like to do\u2014and I know you are going to be shocked, but I would like to recognise David Cunliffe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022961de2fd39ed4356a1adf6a72c282a72\u0022\u003EScott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: Why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b023ed4a476d42f3bfe087b860432bc8\u0022\u003EMARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I will tell you why. We talk about transparency in this Parliament, and I sat up there, you know, at the back of the House\u2014if I was any further back, I would be in the car-park\u2014but it gives me a pretty good look at what is going on in the House, and I have to give credit to Mr Cunliffe that he almost missed his question because he was so focused on lobbying Mr Cosgrove for the leadership. I think that to come into the House and start lobbying a colleague like that is something pretty special. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EI am sure Opposition members would like to get up and talk about what is important to them, what they are achieving, and what they are doing, but they cannot\u2014that is right\u2014because there is not really much that they can get up and talk about. But I would say this. Today there is something going on in relation to Mr Trevor Mallard and Andrew Little\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022251e280bf89c449faa2bc23782e13c89\u0022\u003EDr David Clark\u003C/span\u003E: Tell us a story about Borat\u2014tell us a story about Borat. Come on, tell us a story about Borat.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002299814f1952cf4295ab210b8bc87fe65b\u0022\u003EMARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: I will tell you a story about\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u00226552760afe4446b79df97768f8607b8a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226552760afe4446b79df97768f8607b8a\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s time has expired. The time for this debate has expired. Can I just remind members that when they are interjecting on each other across the House and they do not have the call, it is not permitted. You can interject on the speaker, by all means, but members interjecting on each other without having the floor\u2014they do not have the floor\u2014are not permitted to do so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003EThe debate having concluded, the motion lapsed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b179ad4f1278438f8fcbcda046b11948\u0022\u003EWaitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fe8f6a61dbe542feb24fb8efad38772f\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u00221c0c93854253424cbddf349d8afed027\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221c0c93854253424cbddf349d8afed027\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN (National\u2014Waitaki):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill be now read a second time. The Waitaki District Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill considers three pieces of land in the Waitaki district, those being in the town of \u014C\u0101maru. The purpose of this local bill is to revoke the reserve status of the Palmerston Showgrounds, to revoke the reserve status of land in Witham Street in \u014C\u0101maru, and to clarify the status of land known as Lookout Point or Forrester Heights. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThe first two matters in the bill are straightforward. The bill revokes the reservation of the Palmerston Showgrounds land under the Reserves Act 1977 and vests ownership of the land in the Waitaki District Council. The council had thought it owned the land, and entered into a sale and purchase agreement with the current lessees. When the ownership is vested in the council with the passage of this bill, the council can then sell the property. This is an issue that might well make the junior whip across the House yawn with boredom, but I can assure that member that to those people who live at the Palmerston Showgrounds this is a matter that is actually quite important to them, and so to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b17a5514a7dc4aaab4a4f34e5235bc72\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Senior whip.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e11573a9299a450f85bede285b1a5ee6\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, I am sorry, it is the senior whip. Well, you would never know to look at him, would you? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThe second item in this bill is the second parcel of land\u2014which, again, the council thought it owned, so it was a mistake on the behalf of the local authority\u2014in Witham Street, in about the centre of \u014C\u0101maru, and not too far away from where we live, by the way. The council sold the land to the current occupants. The council wishes to put right this mistake and to be able to vest ownership of the property in the current proprietors. Again, when I meet those people, as I do occasionally when I am out buying bread, they ask how the bill is coming along, because it is something that they are a bit anxious about. They really would like to have the status of the land where their home is and where they live clarified. So those are the first two issues brought with the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThirdly, the council wishes to clarify the status of Lookout Point, which is also known as Forrester Heights. For those people who have been to \u014C\u0101maru, Lookout Point is the beautiful piece of land to the south. You look down and you see \u014C\u0101maru Harbour, \u014C\u0101maru out to Pukeuri, out to the north, spread out before you. It is truly a beautiful part of \u014C\u0101maru, and a very nice part of the town on a beautiful piece of land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThe land was originally purchased by the Government from Ng\u0101i Tahu as part of the Kemp purchase. That parcel of land now known as Forrester Heights was included in the original subdivision of the town of \u014C\u0101maru back in the 1900s. The land was set aside in 1885. Under a Gazette notice in 1885, it was \u201C \u2018reserved for the purpose\u2019 of an endowment in aid of the funds of the Oamaru Borough Council.\u201D Although the junior whip for the Opposition may yawn at this point, this is actually quite pertinent to this bill, and it does matter to a lot of people\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be6523d4e4964d0fb739ca9373518310\u0022\u003EChris Auchinvole\u003C/span\u003E: Senior whip.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c70d32066b34950a18378ced0059ffe\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, senior whip? Are you sure? He is? Oh, OK. The confusion has been whether the word \u201Creserve\u201D relates to whether the land has been designated a reserve under the Reserves Act, or whether \u201Creserve\u201D means set apart\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247a0db9bb07a427aa9eb2926cbce0a1a\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: How are Jemima and Big Ted?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0808d06f9554536897c7694cb4fa31e\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014I know I am probably speaking too quickly for the whip, but, anyway, we will box on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThe Local Government and Environment Committee received extensive advice on this very point. Based on the evidence presented to us by submitters\u2014and we received some quite extensive submissions on this point from a number of submitters, and I want to thank them for the work they did on this bill\u2014and also the advice the committee received from officials, the committee concluded that Lookout Point is not a reserve, and confirmed it as being vested as an endowment in the council in aid of borough funds. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EIt is interesting to note that this issue was also canvassed by the Primary Production Committee as part of the Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill, in clauses 18 to 20. In its select committee report, the committee noted that Land Information New Zealand and the Department of Conservation, which both have an interest in this, had reviewed their records, and they were satisfied that treating Lookout Point as a reserve was\u2014and I will quote from the report, because I think it adds weight to the decision of the committee\u2014\u201Ca genuine mistake, resulting from the various meanings and legal uses of the word \u2018reserve\u2019.\u201D So it has been the most terrible tangle, and it has certainly tied up the local community for a number of years. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThe Local Government and Environment Committee received a number of submissions on the Forrester Heights part of the bill. There were around six or seven submissions in favour and 10 against this particular provision in the bill. There were no submissions against the first two provisions that I outlined, but there was certainly more controversy around this third provision. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EAlso, I want to take time to thank all those submitters who took the time to join us by teleconference, to travel to Wellington, or to write in with their submissions and very helpful photos and documentation in aid of their submission. I can assure them that the committee looked at each and every submission and argued\u2014as committees do\u2014over every point raised. I am happy with the conclusion that the committee came to. A number of those submitters focused on the status of Forrester Heights, on its status as reserve land or otherwise, and a number of submissions and submitters focused on the past, present, and future potential uses of the land known as Forrester Heights. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EI want to cover now matters that were not considered as part of the bill. Any proposed use of the land is a matter for the Waitaki District Council and is out of the scope of this bill. I do not propose to tell the local authority what to do with the land. It is not the job of Parliament to do that, and it is out of the scope of this Waitaki bill. Whether the land has been used, perhaps wrongly or rightly, as a public reserve since the 1890s, whether the land has under-runners and is prone to movement or not, or whether the land should or should not be subdivided and sold is not the business of the Local Government and Environment Committee, and, indeed, is not the business of Parliament. I am firmly of the view that through this bill Parliament has been asked to clarify the status of the land, and it has been asked to do only that. It is for the local authority, together with the local community, to decide any use that the land might be put to in the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EI am very happy to bring this bill to the House on behalf of the Waitaki District Council. This has been a difficult and longstanding issue for the \u014C\u0101maru community. I was pleased to hear the Waitaki District Mayor, Alex Familton, tell the committee during his submission that whatever the outcome of this bill, whatever the status of the land, he would put any future use of that land back to the community. I applaud him for that. I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022 data-id=\u0022e7e7eee62c3c46c2b4f4e4638e6e3bc9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e7e7eee62c3c46c2b4f4e4638e6e3bc9\u0022\u003EHon ANNETTE KING (Labour\u2014Rongotai):\u003C/span\u003E The Labour Party supported the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill to the Local Government and Environment Committee, because we were interested in hearing the submissions and looking at the evidence that was to be provided in terms of three pieces of land that were being covered by this bill. The reason we wanted to look at it closely was that for the first two pieces of land that Jacqui Dean has mentioned\u2014the Palmerston Showgrounds and another lot in \u014C\u0101maru\u2014there is little or no controversy at all, but the third piece of land, called Lookout Point, in \u014C\u0101maru, has been controversial. So we wanted to go to the select committee, to hear the evidence, and to see whether this particular piece of land was land held in reserve or land that had been endowed to \u014C\u0101maru Borough Council, and, therefore, could be used in the way that it wanted. We went along with an open mind, wanting to hear what would be said. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EThere were not a lot of submissions on this bill, but there were two significant submissions that I want to mention\u2014one from Mr Warren Crawford and one from Mr Barry Monks. They had done a lot of work around this land at Lookout Point, because they were firmly of the view that this land had been made reserve land back in the 19th century. They believed that this land was not the council\u2019s to be able to dispose of in any way at all, and that it needed to be kept in reserve for the people of \u014C\u0101maru. So in many ways, this bill has been quite a difficult one. In fairness to the select committee and the members on it, we were seeking the confirmation that this land could be sold, could be subdivided, and could have done to it whatever Waitaki District Council wanted to do with it. I have to say that we made a genuine attempt to get all the information that we could. The bottom line is that I believe that what we were provided with, after long deliberation and a very extensive search by legal people, is that the council does have this land as endowment land; the land does not have a reserve over it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EI can see why it was confusing. Evidently, there was a bill that had been presented to this House that was to, in effect, make it reserve land, but it was never passed. On that basis, many of those who have been worried about this land were basing their evidence on a bill that was never passed in this Parliament. I do want to commend those two submitters, who set out to get as much information for the select committee as they could, particularly Mr Barry Monks. It was Barry Monks\u2019 submission, in my view, where he presented a lot of evidence and lot of old documents that he had found himself, that made us go and ask the officials to go back and search the records again. It was Barry Monks\u2019 submission that really made us have that rethink. I commend him for that, because he was able to provide documents we had not seen before.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E In fact, if you look at the whole issue around the gathering of documents, I think it was rather unfortunate because there were documents that were missing. There were documents that they had found that they had got from libraries and so on, and when they went back to get further documents they found that they had been removed\u2014in fact, even cut out of old records, which makes people very suspicious. What is going on when you cannot find documents, and when documents that were there have since been removed from the database? And so we went through, I think, very thoroughly, looking to see the status of this land. I think it would have been better for all the people of \u014C\u0101maru if the council had consulted better, and we did raise this issue with it around its consultation. It was not good, and it has left people very suspicious of its motives. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EIt has also, I think, meant that people believed that the council was interested only in hocking off this bit of land so that it could have money to restore its opera house. And there was concern that because the local member, Jacqui Dean, had been very supportive of the opera house, somehow she was in league with the council and there was some sort of conspiracy around this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221fc83128a78d4dc3b3608772024f2efd\u0022\u003EChris Auchinvole\u003C/span\u003E: No, surely not. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002232ea1260fc0849208d1449a318607f47\u0022\u003EHon ANNETTE KING\u003C/span\u003E: I am not saying, Mr Auchinvole, that that is what we believe, but because of the poor consultation, because of the process, and because of missing documents and a lack of clarity, people were, rightly, left with that impression. That is why it was important that we did thorough work on establishing the legality of this land. Is it a reserve? Was it endowment land? I have to say on behalf of the Labour Party that we are satisfied that this is endowment land that the council can dispose of. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EWe then get to the point of what it wants to dispose of it for. Some of the submissions raised the point that this particular piece of land is pretty unstable. In fact, there have been slips up there. They gave us photographs showing that this land was not stable and asked how this could be used for a subdivision. That is something that the council has to work out, and it is not our job to decide whether land is stable or not, but that was an issue that was raised. I am pleased that a number of my colleagues took the time out to actually go to Lookout Point. I have got two of my colleagues who are sitting here very interested. In fact, Mr Twyford is going to speak on this bill. He made a special trip to go and look at the land itself and to meet with those who were concerned, and so did Damien O\u2019Connor. As good Opposition members of Parliament\u2014sorry, I forgot a third person. David Clark from Dunedin also showed great interest. So we had three Labour members of Parliament, which is probably more than the National Party. Jacqui Dean has no doubt been there, but I am not sure whether the rest of the National members even know about it. But I do know we were prepared to uncover every stone in search of what the appropriate designation is for this land. In my view, we have reached the point where we are satisfied. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EThere is one irony I do want to point out, though. If this land is subdivided and sold for the restoration of the opera house by the council, the irony is we have a bill before this Parliament, a local government amendment bill, amending the Local Government Act 2002, which says that the councils should be involved in only things that councils can be involved in. You would have to say: is the use of the money from this land appropriate for the restoration of an opera house under the Government\u2019s definition of the purpose of local government? We would say yes. We believe that it is. If the community wants it, if it has consulted with the community, if it is a community decision, then that would be appropriate. However, under National\u2019s Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill, it would not be, because surely an opera house could be provided by the private sector. So there is this sort of\u2014is it a schizophrenic approach? Maybe it is the hypocrisy approach to local government, wanting the money from this land to put into an opera house for a council that is being told that that is not really the sort of thing that it ought to be involved in. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003EWe do support this bill in the second reading and will support it throughout its stages because I believe the hard work was done on this particular piece of land, Lookout Point. It was the controversial part of the bill, and I think the select committee, ably chaired by the member from Christchurch Central, resolved the issues satisfactorily.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022 data-id=\u002267f3b06733544a78a11d8a7eede5d1f7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002267f3b06733544a78a11d8a7eede5d1f7\u0022\u003ENIKKI KAYE (National\u2014Auckland Central):\u003C/span\u003E I am very pleased to speak on the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill. The first thing I would like to do is acknowledge the excellent local member, Jacqui Dean, and the huge amount of work that she has done to ensure that this bill is taken through Parliament. She is a great local member. I did hear in some of the other speeches\u2014and I want to just address this\u2014that some members have gone to the beautiful place of \u014C\u0101maru to do their own research. I think that is a great thing if a piece of legislation is going through the House. Not all other members on this side have been able to do that, but we have so much confidence in our local member, Jacqui Dean, and the work that she has done over several years, that we did not necessarily need to visit, and I do look forward to visiting in the near future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EI also would like to acknowledge the very competent chair of the Local Government and Environment Committee, Nicky Wagner, who has worked tirelessly as well with the local member, Jacqui Dean, on this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EAs has already been mentioned, this bill deals with several provisions around land. One of them was more controversial, as has already been mentioned. The less controversial ones were the Palmerston Showgrounds and the lot 1 ones, which were more straightforward because they are a revocation of the land\u2019s Reserves Act status. In the case of the Palmerston Showgrounds land, the bill will allow the Waitaki District Council to sell the land to the current lessees. In the case of the lot 1 section, the bill will allow the Waitaki District Council to regularise the sale of the section to the current registered proprietors, and will allow title to their property to be unencumbered by any notation relating to the Reserves Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EWhen we get to the key area that has been the subject of many of the submissions that we have received, Lookout Point, I think it is important to reiterate what has been mentioned by both the member Jacqui Dean and the Hon Annette King, and that is that in all of the submissions you can see the huge amount of work that many people have gone into to ensure that the research happened. If we just go back through the history here of Lookout Point, there was a very, very clear disagreement, or misunderstanding, or confusion, if you like, that needed to be resolved. The particular issue with regard to Lookout Point was that an administrative oversight in 1937 had mistakenly vested the land in what was then the \u014C\u0101maru Borough Council as a reserve. Reserve status and endowment status are two completely separate concepts, and this was not fully appreciated in 1937.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EWe discussed this at length at the Local Government and Environment Committee. I want to pay tribute at the moment to the huge amount of work done as well\u2014it was not just by local people in \u014C\u0101maru\u2014by Land Information New Zealand, Ng\u0101i Tahu, the Department of Conservation, the Commissioner of Crown Lands, and the Parliamentary Counsel Office. As to what came back, there is a very clear statement from our report, because I think it does resolve this longstanding issue, after lots of research by the community, and all Government agencies, and the local member for Waitaki. I want to read this key statement from the Primary Production Committee\u2019s report on the Reserves and Other Land Disposal Bill: \u201CHaving reviewed their records, Land Information New Zealand and the Department of Conservation are satisfied that treating Lookout Point as a reserve was indeed a genuine mistake, resulting from the various meanings and legal uses of the word \u2018reserve\u2019. While we appreciate the sentiment of submitters and acknowledge there is contention on this issue, after receiving advice from Land Information New Zealand and the Department of Conservation we believe that the land was actually classified as \u2018reserves\u2019 for an endowment in aid of borough funds rather than as a recreation or similar reserve.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EFor me, that statement summarises several years of work by people in the \u014C\u0101maru community, by the local member, Jacqui Dean, by numerous Government departments, and by the Primary Production Committee. I want to address that, because I think it is important at this point as well not only to say that there has been research by the community, that our select committee has considered the bill at length\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228625ad9d42ff4d36be03a48534d33504\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: The Labour members.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002249d331498fd44e858deec25b85e5e51f\u0022\u003ENIKKI KAYE\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and that the Labour members have gone down to \u014C\u0101maru, I acknowledge that, and that the National members have put a lot of faith in Jacqui Dean, because we know what a great member she is\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a3e28878a664407acafff7eca5b7210\u0022\u003EMaggie Barry\u003C/span\u003E: And I\u2019ve been there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c63b473304984b51a5a163b6bd478ce2\u0022\u003ENIKKI KAYE\u003C/span\u003E: And Maggie Barry has personally been there, as well. As Annette King said, I think, we will leave no stone unturned, which is incredibly appropriate given that we are talking about \u014C\u0101maru.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EBut can I come back to some more of the history, because I think members will be very interested in this. The Primary Production Committee heard submissions on 7 May 2009, and the council presented to the committee at the time. This was the key part of its report, which I think is aligned with our report, but it says, as reported back from the Primary Production Committee: \u201CClauses 18 to 20 relate to land in the Waitaki District known as Lookout Point or Forrester Heights. The submissions we received concern one key issue: whether Lookout Point was mistakenly treated as reserve land under Reserves Act legislation, or whether the council is attempting to circumvent the law to enable a building development.\u201D I think what is really important is that we come back again to that point\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef0e2b44a7fa43bd83e2dc2f3a6d2f0a\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: Cut to the chase.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229cf7cc26ea4c4761b39972057759a7b4\u0022\u003ENIKKI KAYE\u003C/span\u003E: No, it is very important, given that so many people have worked on this issue, Mr Twyford, that we go through this history and understand that there has been a lot of research by Government agencies, the community, the Primary Production Committee, and the Local Government and Environment Committee. I know what it is like to have a local issue that is of controversy. What I am very confident of as I stand in this House is that we have left no stone unturned. We have had this issue go through several select committees in Parliament. There has been so much research on this issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EBut the key, important point that I want to make is that through several select committee processes we have ended up at this point where we can say we are confident in the approach we have taken with regard to Lookout Point. But what we have said in the select committee\u2019s report on the bill is that the Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill is currently before Parliament, and we have made this point: \u201CWe know that clause 7 of this bill is the same as clause 20 of the Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill, which is currently awaiting its second reading in the House.\u201D, and what is important is that \u201CThere is nothing in Standing Orders that disallows two different bills from having identical clauses.\u201D I think the conclusion is that in this circumstance \u201Cthe identical clause can be removed from whichever bill is enacted second by an amendment at the committee of the whole House stage.\u201D I wanted to raise that point because I think it is very important for this House to understand that so many members across the Chamber have cared so much about this issue that we have got two identical clauses in two bills. We know that it is important to the people of \u014C\u0101maru to resolve this issue finally and once and for all. That does not mean that every person in the community will be happy, but what it means is that there has been a very, very thorough process with regard to this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EAgain, I want to acknowledge the member for Waitaki, because I think she has dealt with this issue with incredible diligence. She has carried herself well throughout it. I want to acknowledge the people of \u014C\u0101maru for the many submissions they put in. I want to acknowledge members across the House. I can see Eugenie Sage. I can see the Hon Annette King. I want to acknowledge Nicky Wagner, the brilliant chair of the Local Government and Environment Committee, and other members of the committee for the diligent approach we have taken on this issue. Finally, can I commend to the House this bill to resolve this issue once and for all, so that the people of \u014C\u0101maru will know that we have left no stone unturned and they can sleep easier tonight. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u0022440000c353f34d6ea62eaf53cd6d3d17\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022440000c353f34d6ea62eaf53cd6d3d17\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Back when I was considerably younger\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba17500aa68748a8b057bd5b7e977301\u0022\u003EDr David Clark\u003C/span\u003E: Before that speech started.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022553ed967d5804e909be29867968f04d9\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before the last speech started\u2014actually, it was a lot longer than that. Over 5 years ago I was the Minister for Land Information. I was also the former member for Otago; Jacqui Dean knocked me off my perch. The local council came to see me and said it had a problem. It had a piece of land called Forrester Heights, and it was only a very small part of Lookout Point, which is an issue that vexes some locals in terms of the terminology we are using around this. But, anyway, the council came to see me and said: \u201CWe want to put it beyond doubt that this land is endowment land rather than reserve land.\u201D If it was reserve land and it was properly set aside as a reserve, then it could not just be taken by the council and sold, with the money to be put into some other purpose. If it was an endowment, if it was endowment property, then it is treated as an asset that the council can do what it wants with, including selling it and using the money for some other purpose. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EI was aware that there was controversy around this, because some of the members of my own labour organisation at the time, and the Labour Party, had a contrary view. As the Minister for Land Information it was my duty to find out whether the council was correct or whether the opponents to sale were correct. Despite the fact that it might have been politically advantageous for me to take a political line, I never did. I actually just sought the facts. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EHow do you do that? Well, if you are the Minister for Land Information the traditional view is that the ministry writes to the Department of Conservation and seeks its advice as to the proper status of the land. The Department of Conservation has got planners and it also has a duty to make sure that conservation interests, including those in respect of reserves, are properly dealt with. If, as a basis of that inquiry, it becomes clear that the status of the land is incorrectly recorded on the title to the land and it needs to be fixed, then the route through to doing that is generally through a Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill. There is a good tradition in this Parliament that the only things that go into a Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill are things where it is clear that there is a mistake on the title and it is not contentious. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EI looked into it and I had initial advice from the Department of Conservation, which advised Land Information, which advised me that this land was properly described as endowment land. Because of the criticisms and the correspondence and the personal representations I had had from the other side, I actually got the department, through my office, to go back and check. It did, and it found again that it was endowment land, not reserve land. So way back then, when I was considerably younger than I am now, we put it in a bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThe sad thing about this is that the delay here has had quite serious financial consequences for the council. Since this bill has been sitting on the Order Paper and has been mucked around with for 4 years, property prices have gone back in \u014C\u0101maru. The amount the council is going to get for these sections has decreased. A number of the contracts the council had to sell sections will have fallen over because they will have passed the date by which\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228714b2d8e17147c281f43187c212d7f8\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s all gone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002233bc5086dd5842e4b1054be2a40ec1c0\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: It is all gone. All of them have fallen over because they are beyond the point where they had to get their Resource Management Act consents and provide new titles to the lots being sold. I have to say to the National Party that I do not think that reflects very well on this House, because this has\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228fbcc3e22ac14b629c72dc6fb98b672b\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: No\u2014it sat for 3 years on the Order Paper under Labour.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5a00937cdc945f2b1c3e1eed3684a29\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Jacqui Dean says it had 3 years on the Order Paper under Labour. That is not correct, because I was not the Minister for Land Information for 3 years, and it was actually me that put it in the original Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill. What is correct is that at the end of the last Parliament it was in a Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill. Ever since then it has been able to be passed within a week\u2014within a week.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223dca577611214b5d8b7285f186923f9d\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: It wasn\u2019t a priority.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d6517f5fc3b476aa6dc3b8af97fccf3\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: But it was not a priority for the Government. The Government then decided it would start this process again, despite the fact that all these things were looked into by a prior Primary Production Committee looking at the Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill. It thought it would do it again through a local bill, the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill\u2014sorry, not the Government, the local member. I think the local member was right to do that, and Jacqui Dean is to be congratulated on doing that, because there was no other way forward. The Government refused to bring this matter forward on the Order Paper. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThere are a couple of things. The paper record of this is tortured. It is so tortured that the select committee that last looked at it was persuaded by a submission from Barry Monks, who had turned up an archive that no one else had turned up. Barry Monks is to be congratulated on finding a paper trail in this that none of the departments, as far as I am aware, had found. That paper trail appeared to say that this was a reserve, rather than a piece of endowment land. But there were bits of information that went both ways, and so the select committee said that the only way to sort this out was for the select committee to get some legal advice on the basis of all of this paper that had now been found, and the full history that was then available, in order to clarify whether at law it was endowment land or reserve land. Sadly for Barry Monks and the other people in \u014C\u0101maru who feel very strongly that this is properly classified as a reserve, the proper advice is that on the balance of the evidence it is endowment land. So a decision has to be taken. The Local Government and Environment Committee members from both sides of the House reached the conclusion that it was properly endowment land and therefore it ought to be sold, which, of course, was the effect of the provision in the Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill as a consequence of the process we went through when I was considerably younger. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThere is one further point. We hear this land described as Lookout Point. I know that one of the issues that vexes some of the local opponents to this is that they think this misdescribes this land. The land is locally known as Forrester Heights, which is part of Lookout Point. Lookout Point includes some very important reserves, and there is no doubt that a lot of the land on Lookout Point is a reserve. There are walking tracks on it. It is not part of the land adjacent to the road, which is the Forrester Heights subdivision. Lookout Point goes further than that. So I want to put on record for the satisfaction of those people who are interested in that issue that I agree with them\u2014it is properly described as Forrester Heights rather than Lookout Point\u2014but the legal description of the land, which is what matters in this bill, is correct. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EIt is a shame that the finances of the council are worse because there has been so much delay in passing the original piece of legislation, which still languishes on the Order Paper. You know, this Parliament could have passed the original bill and not just fixed this problem but fixed the about dozen other issues that are also fixed in the Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill\u2014which was going to fix similar problems in other parts of the country\u2014in the same time that it has taken us to pass this bill. In fact, there would have been a lot less waste of select committee time doing again what has already been done. But, no, it has been chosen to proceed by way of a local bill, because the member for Waitaki, Jacqui Dean, became frustrated that her Government would not pass the Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill, which was of identical effect in respect of the Forrester Heights land. She found that to advance that, the member had to advance a local bill. It is a pity that this could not have been advanced as part of the Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EI am sad for the people who think that they were right in terms of their criticisms of the council. Could I also say that the confusion that reigned in this was not the fault of either the council or the people who thought from the paper record that this was properly reserve land. It was a truly confusing set of affairs. I am not criticising anyone on either side of the debate. Sadly, in the end, where there is a dispute as to what the correct state of affairs is, someone eventually has to make a decision. Otherwise these things would just go on until I am retired\u2014even older. But the reality is that in the end, where there is a dispute, someone has to take a decision eventually. In this case, both sides of Parliament have looked at it responsibly and in a principled manner, have applied the law, which it is our duty to do, and have found that this is endowment land. Accordingly, the Labour Party will be voting for this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022 data-id=\u0022b8fd8502e22b4237b4e1a60b085876c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b8fd8502e22b4237b4e1a60b085876c4\u0022\u003EMAGGIE BARRY (National\u2014North Shore):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to speak with pleasure to the Waitaki District Council Reserves\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221acc9d5f34ea4f7e8d5c755c18e3a2fb\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I just want to inquire whether the member has, in fact, visited Forrester Heights, because there is a Standing Order called the \u201CMaggie Barry principle\u201D\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fe024f38ab0547718c3efdaae17732cb\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: No, no. The member is being facetious. That is a debatable point, quite frankly. I call the honourable member Maggie Barry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3a1937a77114502af1f2fb4ecda0e04\u0022\u003EHon Dr Jonathan Coleman\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aaf4e4fcaac34a779839590e8fd2d3f9\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I have dealt with the issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022603ae58e-47c4-46f9-bfc8-8355a48988ad\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c84c156a8fce4a91bc9dc115d2b79494\u0022\u003EHon Dr Jonathan Coleman\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I would just like to note that there is a continuing pattern of the point of order process being abused in this House, and that is a very good example.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202ab7620b7974d93921edcc7aa72503f\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: The member will be seated. I have dealt with the issue. This is a robust Parliament. There is always some leeway, and it is up to the Speaker to judge the situation. I call the honourable member Maggie Barry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002276b4347683ea4348a4936941127379b7\u0022\u003EMAGGIE BARRY\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022383363d0-b05b-469f-9cf9-a990d946d1b9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a88841923a164d098a5e6c67bb1089b2\u0022\u003EHolly Walker\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I just have a query regarding the speaking order. I believe that the next speaker on the list should be my colleague from the Green Party Eugenie Sage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d26199e10d7e4f7aa2a98b3d7313f01d\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Actually, to be quite truthful, you are absolutely right. But I am now in the awkward position that once I have called someone I have to accept the call. I did not see the member. My apologies. Unfortunately, I have called Maggie Barry, and she has to take the call. I call the honourable member Maggie Barry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f6925ae19d64450db324505657812fd5\u0022\u003EMAGGIE BARRY\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Let the record stand true that Maggie Barry stands to speak to the second reading of the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill, after a couple of false starts, and mischievous ones at that. There is nothing uncommon there, though, particularly from the member who has come a long way from Devonport to Te Atat\u016B, and apparently he has flip-flopped on his holidays down to \u014C\u0101maru. How commendable. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EMy family landed in \u014C\u0101maru back in the 1860s. It is an area we know particularly well. I am very happy to speak to this bill, and I commend Jacqui Dean as a local member for finally getting this up and running. There have been a number of submissions around this over a number of years. We heard recently from the shockingly aged David Parker\u2014such is the toll that leadership has taken on him. He has certainly aged in front of our very eyes, has he not? The legislation languished under Labour for 3 years. There were submissions called for at that time, which never got anywhere. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EI note the energy of Jacqui Dean, who had to put up with a lot of silly conspiracy theories, which the Hon Annette King said she did not share but still wanted to talk about again today. There have been a lot of mischievous comments made around this, and I noted that Barry Monks has been talked about a lot. He was a submitter who came up with some arcane and, as it turned out, totally unfounded and incorrect information, which held the Local Government and Environment Committee\u2019s deliberations up for some period of time because it was wrong\u2014completely wrong. That was the advice we had. Interestingly, though, Barry Monks has a long association with the area as the Labour Party candidate\u2014the failed Labour Party candidate\u2014for the area. Jacqui Dean holds the seat. I wonder why so many Labour Party people went down there to have a look. But let us put that to one side. We will give them the benefit of the doubt. It is not something that they usually do with us, but we have a lot more largesse than that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EI would like to talk about the issue at hand, which is the putting right of something that is actually not something we should be dwelling on for this length of time in Parliament. The status of the land needed to be defined. This bill does that. There were mistakes made by councils, dating back a very, very long way. Section 13 of the Public Reserves Act Amendment Act 1862 provides that whenever any land is set apart by the Governor as a public reserve, and by publication in the Gazette has been declared to have been set aside as a reserve, that land is not to be alienated by way of sale, mortgage, lease, or otherwise. There is no argument about that, but it is about how this land is described. There is no evidence to support the view that Lookout Point has been set apart as a public reserve under that amendment Act. We discussed all of this at length. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EWhen you go back through the files\u2014and I guess the \u014C\u0101maru Borough Council in those days was commendable, in that it tried to keep as many records as it could; it was very careful about what it did with its paperwork, but it did slip through and this was a mistake\u2014when the council searched through what was there, it was able to go through a very large paper trail indeed. I think a lot of our submitters are to be congratulated, because they spent a lot of time and a lot of effort going back through the history, going back through the paperwork, and trying to determine what, in fact, is the status of this much sought after and locally very important piece of land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EI do know \u014C\u0101maru very well. I have been there many times in many incarnations, as it were. Its botanic garden is amongst the oldest in the country, and a very fine one it is too. It is visible from Forrester Heights, or Lookout Point. For those members of the Labour Party who did not go on the tiki-tour down there, we were given the pictures and we have had a look at it. To refresh our memories, this is a prime piece of land that also looks out over the blue penguin colony. What some members may not know\u2014such was the exhaustive nature of some of the submissions that we all know it now\u2014is that it is a remarkable piece of avifauna, rich reserves of dead bird fossils. It is very rare in the South Island. Bird bones, especially of the moa, are recorded findings in the limestone and have been preserved, which make the area unique. So there are very many reasons why a lookout of this kind will be preserved. It needs to be properly understood in terms of what its status is, so that it will be preserved in perpetuity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EWe heard from Mayor Alex Familton, and the chief executive officer of the council, Michael Ross, as well, that when this is finally resolved and goes through, as I am sure it will, once the Committee deliberations have occurred and then it is back here in the House again for its third reading, they have undertaken to go back to the people of \u014C\u0101maru and to ask them what it is that they would like. I think Forrester Heights and Lookout Point will be enshrined as a reserve and will keep that status. As Jacqui Dean has pointed out, she has been walking there many times. It is a favoured place in \u014C\u0101maru to look out over the harbour and look out over what is an extremely attractive historic town. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EThere are a couple of issues that the council wanted resolved. It worked closely, incidentally, with Ng\u0101i Tahu, which had also done a great deal of research on this matter and had found out that there was, in fact, no problem around the council\u2019s view that the Waitaki District Council has a right to the freehold title to the land and that it is therefore not subject to the Ng\u0101i Tahu Claims Settlement Act 1998. This was something that was raised by a number of submitters. It is a legitimate concern, or it was felt to be. Once again, it was explored in detail. If anyone ever wondered about, I suppose, the robust nature and the rigorous nature of what goes on in select committees, this really is a case in point, this member\u2019s bill. The level of detail that the submitters chose to come forward with was such that it then sent the very hard-working officials back to the books and back to the drawing board to double-check everything. I can assure you that the findings that we have come out with now are very much the accurate ones. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EWhen this matter was discussed within the Primary Production Committee in relation to the Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill, back in 2009, there were, I think, 37 written submissions, and there were a further 19 heard. That was that committee. But that was all put to one side, and the committee that I sat on, the Local Government and Environment Committee, considered 27 submissions, and they were very detailed as well. I have handed some on to my colleagues. Paul Goldsmith, who is chatting happily here, could perhaps hand them to me. Paul is handing over the submissions. Thank you\u2014very good. He is paying close attention to his colleagues. There is a big stack of them. Suffice it to say that there were 27 submissions from interested parties, and we heard seven of them. The detail was enormous. There are kilos and kilos of material. There is some around there, as well. The other interested members of our party have also been looking at these. [Interruption] Yes, it is the visual part of the speech. I have the photographs, in fact, if the honourable member would like to see them. We could easily do that. This is a bill that we know far more about than we would ever have imagined possible, actually.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003ELand Information New Zealand has also taken a pivotal role in all this, and the Department of Conservation. They have looked at it exhaustively. They too are satisfied that treating Lookout Point land as a reserve was indeed a genuine mistake back in the day. Their assessment of it\u2014and it is one that I agree with\u2014is that this mistake resulted from the various meanings and legal uses of the word \u201Creserve\u201D. I guess with a country as young as New Zealand, sometimes the semantics have tripped us up where we have not had the traditional examinations at a local level. But these have, in fact, been corrected now. So although we very much appreciate the sentiment of the submitters and acknowledge that there is a contention in this issue, after receiving advice from Land Information New Zealand and the Department of Conservation, the belief very much of us on this side of the House and in the select committee is that the land was actually classified as a reserve for an endowment in aid of borough funds, rather than as a recreation or similar reserve. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EThe Otago Daily Times, not surprisingly\u2014a very active local paper\u2014has also taken a huge interest in this issue and has followed it. Again, as somebody who is relatively new to this House, I commend the local media for taking notice of, and paying close attention to, the detailed workings of cases that are reflected, from their local community, in the House. The Forrester Heights status is likely to change with something that the Otago Daily Times predicted earlier this year, and it is very much in favour of it as well, as are a number of the people who have written in and given letter contributions to the Otago Daily Times. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EThe Waitaki Ratepayers and Concerned Citizens chair said that he was disappointed in the decision, because he was concerned that the land could be split up into residential developments, and this was something that was echoed by some of the submitters. I think it is that fear that motivated many people to come forward to our select committee. They were worried that if the status changed, then there would be other, less welcome changes that would be occurring, other than just tidying up the wording, the paperwork, and the semantics of it. But, as I said, the mayor came to the select committee and reassured us repeatedly that he would be checking with the people. It was an opportunity, really, to re-engage with the community on the use of land that was very dear to their hearts and the hearts of the community. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003ESo it is with pleasure that I speak to the second reading. Thank you. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022 data-id=\u0022da58c88a3d074eeb99396d1c9d694ad9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022da58c88a3d074eeb99396d1c9d694ad9\u0022\u003EEUGENIE SAGE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. I am pleased to take a short call on the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill. I have been pleased to be a member of the Local Government and Environment Committee, which, as Nikki Kaye noted, has worked very diligently on this bill. I am grateful to Mr Parker for his explanation of the history of the Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill because it was very puzzling, as a new member, to see that there were two pieces of legislation that had gone through different select committees that dealt with the same piece of land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EThe Green Party, like the select committee, has been diligent on the bill. Our co-leader Metiria Turei visited the site at Lookout Point\u2014which, for members who have not been there, is this piece of land, Forrester Heights\u2014and talked with the locals who were concerned about its future status; some of those people made submissions to the select committee. The Green Party\u2019s position was to support this bill, at its first reading, to the select committee, and that is because it fixes historical clerical errors in relation to the legal status of two areas of land that continue to be uncontroversial. But based on public submissions to the select committee, strong community concerns about the proposed sale of Lookout Point by the council, and the inadequate consultation that the council did in relation to its proposed subdivision we will now be opposing the bill, unless there is support for Supplementary Order Paper 150 in my name. That Supplementary Order Paper seeks to delete clause 7, which is the substantive clause in relation to Lookout Point, and to make consequential changes to the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EThe uncontroversial clauses in the bill are in relation to the reserve status of land with a former caretaker\u2019s cottage on it, which is associated with the Palmerston Showgrounds in North Otago, and another small lot in \u014C\u0101maru. Because the council sold these lots when it did not have the power to sell them, the bill regularises that by revoking the reserve status. It was those mistakes in the purported sale of properties that the council thought that it owned, but were actually Crown-owned reserve, that have obviously got implications for the current owners and occupiers of the land and obviously should be resolved. So we are supportive of those clauses that clear up those ownership issues for the current landholders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EBut it is clause 7 that is problematic, because that is seeking to clarify the status of the Forrester Heights area of Lookout Point, and that is to be endowment land held by the Waitaki District Council. As endowment land it would be able to be sold by the council for this subdivision at Forrester Heights, and the council would use the funds, I understand, to promote the restoration of the \u014C\u0101maru Opera House and the art gallery. Of course, that was the issue that attracted quite substantial submissions and, as Maggie Barry has noted, quite weighty submissions to the select committee because of community concern. Certainly, using the funds for the opera house and the art gallery is very worthy, but so is the retention in public ownership of land that the community values for recreation, for walking, and for the fact that it is the backdrop to the town and has got sweeping views from Cape Wanbrow out over the harbour and the town. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EThat is why we have changed our status on the bill and are not supportive of the land being endowment land for council purposes. That is largely because of the lack of consultation by the council. Submitters\u2019 evidence was that the council had not consulted properly when it undertook the application for a subdivision, and that, in fact, it had granted itself a resource consent for the subdivision without that consent being publicly notified under the Resource Management Act and without appointing external commissioners to consider the application. So there was no opportunity for the public to get involved under the Resource Management Act processes and give their views to council on the potential impacts of the subdivision and on the value of that land to the public. I think that is partly why there has been such strong community concern, because there has not been a legitimate avenue for that to be expressed through the due legal process. Then, when the subdivision consent for Forrester Heights was due to lapse because it had not been implemented, the council extended the lapsing period again, without that being publicly notified. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EAs other members have noted, the land is significant because of its sweeping coastal views, because of its use for recreation, because the little blue penguin colony is at the base of the cliffs, and because of the limestone fossils and the use of the area by moas in the past. The community did not get a chance through the Resource Management Act process to highlight all of these values and to point out to the council that that would be affected by the subdivision. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EAs one submitter, Helen Stead, a former Waitaki District councillor, said, \u201CWDC action by-passing formal local government planning process in favour of asking central government to make decisions over local land use without first giving local residents opportunity to comment is unacceptable. \u2026 Oamaru \u0026amp; Waitaki District residents \u0026amp; ratepayers have not been given the chance to submit on either the revoking of the Reserve status or the non-notified consent granting approval for development \u0026amp; sale of the land.\u201D Certainly, we were given assurances by the mayor of the council that the subdivision signs would be removed, but I am not aware of the actual resource consent for subdivision having been withdrawn by the district council, so that means it continues to have the legal right to proceed with the subdivision if this bill goes through and if the land becomes endowment land, which the council can then onsell. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EAs other members of the House have noted, there has been quite considerable evidence, historical evidence, by submitters on the use of the land, and photographs like this one show the 1890 Arbor Day celebrations and the fact that the land has been treated as if it were a public reserve for more than a century. It was not only these Arbor Day celebrations and the fact that trees were planted there, but just the public use of the area as well. So there is strong public support for the land remaining in council ownership, and there was evidence provided by Mr Monks that the initial decision to vest the land as a reserve was not made in error. The evidence he gave was about the way the land had been treated by the Crown and local council since 1862, and, of course, it was recognised and designated as a reserve in the district plan until 2005, when the council changed that designation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EI certainly understand that the council may well choose to reconsider whether the subdivision development would proceed, but it still has the resource consent that would allow it to do that, and that is why the Green Party is opposing the bill unless Supplementary Order Paper 150 to delete clause 7 as it applies to Lookout Point is passed, because there has been an inadequate process and inadequate consultation by council with the community. The bill would essentially legitimise that and create another wrong by allowing the land to be sold. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022 data-id=\u0022398fb48903a143a5a69eed0f322d6fef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022398fb48903a143a5a69eed0f322d6fef\u0022\u003EANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I take a call on behalf of New Zealand First for the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill, brought to the House by the local member, Jacqui Dean, and also I would commend Jacqui Dean for bringing this to the House in relation to this public land in the Waitaki district. New Zealand First also sent a representative down to \u014C\u0101maru, our MP Denis O\u2019Rourke, Christchurch New Zealand First list MP, to look at it. Denis, with a legal background and being a lawyer, was able to assess it and look at the various aspects of the properties in question and advise our caucus accordingly. We are in support of the land in terms of the Palmerston Showgrounds and also the northern piece of land in \u014C\u0101maru, Lot 1, DP 345820, transferring across under this bill, because both of those parcels of land have been proven to be in the hands of current lessees, are no longer deemed to be reserves by the council, and are appropriate to be passed by this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EHowever, our investigations do not fully support the information that came to the Local Government and Environment Committee in relation to Forrester Heights. New Zealand First still has grave concerns about that particular block of land, and we still believe that there is sufficient community concern from many people within the community that that land, rightfully perhaps while it is in dispute, should continue to remain as a public reserve. There are questions over that endowment land status, and questions over it having been transferred to a reserve nearly 100 years ago and how that paperwork was all transferred and signed off by the Governor-General. In a sense, because that reserve has been a reserve for over 100 years, back into the 1800s, it is almost incumbent on this Parliament to ensure that the likes of it is preserved. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EWhen a community has had land like that and has come to know land like that for such a long period of time as the backdrop to the town of \u014C\u0101maru, and where so many people still associate it with being part of that extended connection of Lookout Point, and where so many people in the community do cherish it as reserve land, it is, in a sense, a shame that other members of the community would wish to take that away for all time and subdivide it into 5.8 hectares of subdivision and put \u201CFor Sale\u201D signs up on sections for houses to overlook the \u014C\u0101maru Harbour, and also create a housing backdrop for central \u014C\u0101maru itself. We have concerns because the likes of the Waitaki Ratepayers and Concerned Citizens association, the Friendly Bay Society, and many others in \u014C\u0101maru say that it should not happen; therefore, we are not convinced that it should either. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EI have been involved, over a number of years, in trying to acquire reserve land in many places and in going out on a huge limb to secure the likes of land at Long Bay on the North Shore, the likes of the Chelsea sugar refinery park land, and other land all around Auckland; also in helping the Auckland Regional Council to secure, was it Rakit\u016B Island, out on the Hauraki Gulf, and in trying to secure more land under the Auckland Regional Council around the Auckland region; and, indeed, in supporting other councils around New Zealand to secure other reserves around New Zealand to have land in public reserve in perpetuity. So it also goes against the grain for me to see such a beautiful piece of reserve land, which is the backdrop to \u014C\u0101maru, being put up for commercial sale, potentially, by its council, when so many other councils around New Zealand are trying to increase public reserve land for the use of our growing population. It does concern me that perhaps the priorities of the Waitaki District Council are not in accordance with a significant percentage of its population, and by going through with this particular bill we could, in fact, be reversing the tide of what is happening so often throughout New Zealand, with us trying to acquire greater green spaces for our population. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First will not be supporting this bill. We are sad that we are not able to support the member. We commend the member for bringing the bill to the House, but at the same time when the information did come to the Local Government and Environment Committee from the likes of Barry Monks, Warren Crawford, and a number of others, there was still a certain level of doubt. Even though the officials have said that they believe it is correct, there is still a level of doubt, and I think that in these instances we should still err on the side of caution and we should always give land and reserves the benefit of the doubt. The benefit of the doubt in this case will result in the council taking something like $3 million profit from this land to go towards a $10 million refurbishment of the \u014C\u0101maru Opera House, but money is money and once the money has gone, it is gone for ever. If the land is retained\u2014if reserve land is retained and it is kept in that reserve status and situation\u2014it will be there for ever. That is one of the things\u2014$3 million will quickly come and go, but that reserve, once it is gone, will be gone for ever. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003ESome concern was also expressed by the community that\u2014and I have not been up there myself, but it was mentioned to me\u2014the views from up above and driving up to a particular lookout and other things would be affected by these houses being put there. Again, the impact on the community is that it takes away what have traditionally and for more than a century been various aspects and various lookouts over \u014C\u0101maru. It would be a great shame if they were taken away. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EJust in closing, can I say that New Zealand First will not be supporting this, and we hope that the district of Waitaki down there and the people of Waitaki can have another look at this. I think it was a great shame that \u201CFor sale\u201D signs were put up a year or two ago for the land, before this was all determined, which caused huge consternation amongst many people in the community. That is not how it should have been. There was inadequate consultation. It did not go through a full, robust, transparent process, and, really, I think they should go back to the people of \u014C\u0101maru and of the Waitaki district. The council should really ask the people of \u014C\u0101maru and the Waitaki district whether they want it to go ahead with this, or whether the people want it to keep this reserve land for ever. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022 data-id=\u002239c76156f79f406cb04e5740b3f6d34a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002239c76156f79f406cb04e5740b3f6d34a\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to speak in favour of the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill. I do so with great pleasure. This is a local bill sponsored by the MP for Waitaki. My colleague Jacqui Dean, I think, has done an excellent job. Why I emphasised \u201Cfor Waitaki\u201D\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc2611c2759e40b9a632ddead1906625\u0022\u003EPaul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Where is Waitaki?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c7f2a56cdf2e4f8e8bc8c6c9dc47a81a\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE\u003C/span\u003E: I have been there. I have been to Waitaki. I have been to Lookout Point. I have been to \u014C\u0101maru. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5b95295fdd04ec7ac88d40ca9861ec2\u0022\u003EKris Faafoi\u003C/span\u003E: Where haven\u2019t you been?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2fe5fbc975044a58741681bb87014d8\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, when you get to my age, you have been to most places, really. So it is a bit like one of the other Davids\u2014David Parker\u2014said: there are pleasures in being of a certain age. But I was a little surprised. I had hoped to hear from Andrew Williams, who is no stranger to the needs of local government and certainly no stranger to the need for a council to control its own destiny\u2014I would have thought that he would be keen to support the initiative, given the very careful work that has been done by the Local Government and Environment Committee, rather than him just saying that he does not really know whether councils should do this or not. This is a council-nominated purpose, and, basically, surely central government should take due diligence and great care, but treat that requirement with great respect. It is a locally focused bill, but not one beyond the comprehension of non-Waitaki people. Nor is it one that is trivial or not deserving of this Chamber\u2019s time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EI would have to say that I am a little concerned at the rapidity with which the Green Party tends to vote against bills. I sometimes wonder whether the Green members do it in the comfortable knowledge that others will support it, whereas I think it would be probably more serious of them if they considered the consequences if theirs was the deciding vote, and what would happen, rather than saying \u201CWell, everyone else is going to pass it\u2014we\u2019ll take a contrary view.\u201D and relishing that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EFar from this not being an important bill, this bill is one that highlights just how important it is that this House does not forget the matters of community interest\u2014that bills with a community focus are no less important than those with a national focus. It is a bill that helps to keep the current use of land viable while also addressing a historical error made, essentially, in relation to semantics. This happens. It happens particularly in land information memoranda. I am addressing these questions at the moment for people in the West Coast. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EBills like this are why we have electorate MPs representing their communities. It is a credit to Jacqui Dean that she has spoken for her region in such a fashion. I commend her for her effective advocacy as the member of Parliament for Waitaki. I would also like to take my hat off to Nicky Wagner, chair of the Local Government and Environment Committee. That was a great committee in the days when Phil and I were\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b151668ab1743c8a747c3920ee2f2d3\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, good times!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287c602a903e148ab9d75c1b8641413c4\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE\u003C/span\u003E: Phil Twyford and I were on that committee. It is a committee that can handle this sort of thing. It is a big committee. All parties are represented. It does a good job. It does a good job. And it has done a good job with this one. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d1d071885d44f07b0fbfcbd26ab8c5b\u0022\u003EKris Faafoi\u003C/span\u003E: Let\u2019s sing \u201CKumbaya\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217b1f14a79f44023919e124e67e1d16c\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I do not know\u2014I think it is important that we do celebrate things when they are handled in a non-partisan manner to the benefit of a community. Kris Faafoi thinks it is funny. I do not think it is funny. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EAs the land was originally purchased by the Government from Ng\u0101i Tahu in 1848\u2014you want the details\u2014as part of the Kemp purchase, the land was included in the original subdivision of the town of \u014C\u0101maru. Ng\u0101i Tahu have a significant place in this issue. As others have noted, they have taken considerable advice on the matter. They have confirmed to the council that their view is that the Waitaki District Council has a right to the freehold title of the land, and it is, therefore, not subject to the Ng\u0101i Tahu Claims Settlement Act 1998. That is significant. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EIt is a bill that has received support from its respective council, which has worked with and received support from Land Information New Zealand, the aforementioned Ng\u0101i Tahu, the Department of Conservation, the Commissioner of Crown Lands, and the Parliamentary Counsel Office. It is not hard to see why this bill holds such diverse support. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EThe Palmerston Showgrounds and Lot 1, DP 345820 parts of the bill are straightforward revocations of the Reserves Act status. In the case of the Palmerston Showgrounds clauses, it will allow Waitaki District Council to sell the land to the current lessees. In the case of the lot 1 clauses, the bill will allow Waitaki District Council to regularise the sale of the section to the current registered proprietors, and allow the title of the property to be unencumbered by any notation relating to the Reserves Act. This is as it should be. So, too, I would like to suggest for the critics, is the resolution to Forrester Heights, also known as Lookout Point. Glossed over, one could say, in the lamentations of Supplementary Order Paper 150 in the name of Eugenie Sage, this issue has been raised before in Parliament. I would like to highlight again the support of Land Information New Zealand, which, as I say, is an organisation I have had some little amount to do with. It is a very, very considered group of people. It has systems that go back to the very first surveys in New Zealand, and it does not make decisions lightly. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EThe Department of Conservation, as discussed, provided its support in the Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill select committee stage in 2009. After receiving 37 submissions and hearing a further 19, the Primary Production Committee reported as follows: \u201CThe submissions we received concern one key issue: whether the Lookout Point land was mistakenly treated as reserve land under the Reserves Act legislation, or whether the council is attempting to circumvent the law to enable a building development.\u201D We heard earlier from Labour members saying that this confusion concerned them. It concerned them. They went down and turned every stone\u2014they turned every stone\u2014and came away convinced. So this is not just a National conspiracy. It is a National-Labour conspiracy. To continue the quote, \u201CHaving reviewed their records, Land Information New Zealand and the Department of Conservation are satisfied that treating Lookout Point as a reserve was indeed a genuine mistake, resulting from the various meanings and legal uses of the word \u201Creserve\u201D. While we appreciate the sentiment of submitters and acknowledge there is contention on this issue, after receiving advice from Land Information New Zealand and the Department of Conservation we believe that the land was actually classified as \u201Creserves\u201D for an endowment in aid of borough funds rather than as a recreation or similar reserve.\u201D So it was a genuine mistake. On this side of the House\u2014and I am glad we are standing shoulder to shoulder with Labour on this one\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1fa58960fd3447d8317ddea4d621d81\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: Stop, stop, please. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dccbc03dc6a34089811df83cb224d7c0\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014as many other groups clearly are, as well\u2014we are of the opinion that progress and the best use of land should not be hindered by genuine mistakes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EThis bill in intent and in action is local in nature but should not be only local in support. During my time as chairperson of the Local Government and Environment Committee I was proud to work on and progress bills such as these. They are very, very important, and you get a lot of satisfaction from it. Indeed, bills such as these are why we have the Local Government and Environment Committee, and why its tireless work and achievements under Nicky Wagner should be commended. I support this bill, and call on other members to do the same. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u00226b0c6931320449c6a76782b77bd51e41\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226b0c6931320449c6a76782b77bd51e41\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD (Labour\u2014Te Atat\u016B):\u003C/span\u003E I just want to say that I am a little surprised that Maggie Barry took a call in this debate. There is a long-established principle\u2014not really a Standing Order\u2014known as the \u201CMaggie Barry principle\u201D. For example, if you do not have children, then you should not speak about a bill that relates to child rearing or children. It was very clear from Maggie Barry\u2019s speech that she had never visited Forrester Heights. She showed us photographs and she told us stories about the old days when she visited the botanic gardens in \u014C\u0101maru, but it was very clear that she had not visited Forrester Heights, and that is a clear breach of the \u201CMaggie Barry principle\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003ELabour is supporting this Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill. As colleagues have pointed out, no \u014C\u0101maru stone has been left unturned as we have sought to solve the mystery that lies at the heart of this bill, and that is the controversy over whether or not this land that we are talking about at Forrester Heights was indeed endowment land, or whether it was land with reserve status. That confusion lies at the heart of the two debates, now, that we have had in the House on this and a lengthy select committee process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EA number of members of this House visited \u014C\u0101maru and, in fact, visited Forrester Heights. I was one of those, and I want to thank Warren Crawford and Barry Monks, who have really done everything they could to try to ensure that the truth comes out in this issue. Barry Monks did significant historical research, working through\u2014sifting through\u2014what is an incomplete, confusing, and chaotic paper trail, the historical record about this block of land. I want to commend Barry Monks for the work that he did. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EBut it is clear\u2014for members on the Labour benches, at least\u2014that to the best of our knowledge, and to the best of our understanding and, I think, that of a majority on the Local Government and Environment Committee, it was in fact a genuine mistake, lost in the mists of time now, that this block of land known as Forrester Heights was regarded as reserve land whereas, in fact, it was endowment land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EI want to say to New Zealand First and Green colleagues in this debate that I believe that it is pretty clearly established that the question of what happens to this land\u2014whether it is developed or not\u2014is a matter for the Waitaki District Council to decide. It is not a matter for this House, through some back-door route\u2014for instance, by denying a bill that seeks to rectify the legal status of the land. It is not a legitimate course of action for this House to interfere in the normal and legitimate workings of the democratically elected council of Waitaki District. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EI can understand that the New Zealand First members take the view that they were not convinced by the discussion at the select committee. That is a matter of interpretation and reasoning. That is entirely their call to make, of course, and that is the basis of New Zealand First\u2019s position. But I do question, really, the logic and coherence of the Green Party\u2019s position in this debate. To vote against this bill on the basis that it does not believe that the quality of the consultation that the Waitaki District Council made in relation to seeking a resource consent for subdivision\u2014the quality of public consultation\u2014was good enough is not a legitimate or logical reason to vote against this bill. So that, I think, needs to be said. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EWhy were the people of \u014C\u0101maru, or at least some of the community in \u014C\u0101maru, so suspicious about this bill? I think there is a reason why the people of \u014C\u0101maru were suspicious about what looked like, on the face of it, a kind of jack-up between property developers and local politicians to turn what they regarded as a piece of valuable public reserve land into a private housing subdivision, and the reason is that the National Party has form in this area. There is a reason why the public is suspicious of a party that never hesitates to try to sell off public resources and public assets into private ownership. That is the reason that the people of \u014C\u0101maru are suspicious that the National Party would bring a bill to this House to try to flog off public reserve land. As it turns out, in this instance it is the right thing to do, we believe, based on the best reading of the historical record, to rectify the confusion and the ambiguity about the status of this block of land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EBut there is a reason that people are suspicious of the National Party: because it has a track record of selling off assets that belong to the community, that belong to the public. The National Party believes ideologically that property and assets that belong to the people can best be shifted into private ownership and private control. It has a track record of constantly undermining our democratic institutions in local government. Within the next few days we are going to debate a bill in this House, the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill, which does a gross disservice to communities and to local democracy in this country. So those are the reasons why people are suspicious of the National Party. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThere is another member\u2019s bill on the Order Paper currently. It is the South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill, which is another bill\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea6bf58db21049b4b0d16a479efc7c84\u0022\u003EHon Chester Borrows\u003C/span\u003E: A local bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f8062ed87d24e9299d77843e08e2830\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: It is a local bill. I beg your pardon. Thank you to the member for correcting me. It is a local bill, but it is another bill that on the face of it looks like a deal that has been cooked up by local interests to shift a publicly owned water supply into private hands. People are suspicious of that, and they will be. The National Party gives them every reason to be suspicious about that. The members on the other side of the House do not like hearing a few home truths, but they should just listen, and, in fact, listen to the voices of the people of New Zealand who are utterly opposed to asset sales and privatisation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EI visited \u014C\u0101maru as part of a trip around New Zealand talking to rural and provincial councils, and actually listening to them, about how this Government is squeezing the lifeblood out of local roads and local transport because of its misguided and mismanaged transport policies. I was in \u014C\u0101maru and the local Federated Farmers and the local council were scathing about the failure of the local member to stand up for them on the question of local roads. There was not only the question of local roads and how this Government is cutting the funding for local roads and putting more and more pressure on the local ratepayer; they were terribly upset about what this Government is doing with the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill\u2014taking the democratic rights of local communities away from them, and setting communities up all around rural and provincial New Zealand for forced amalgamations. That is what this Government\u2019s agenda is in local government. That is why people have been so suspicious about this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EBut, as it turns out, I believe that the member for Waitaki should be congratulated, as many colleagues have said, on bringing this bill to the House. It is a perfectly good and reasonable bill. The select committee has done its work. It has done its work, it has taken the advice of officials, it has investigated the historical record, and I believe that the best efforts have been made to actually determine what the appropriate status for this land is and whether it should be endowment land or reserve land. Labour is supporting this bill. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u00221e672972f89c4d91b255486c90284eff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221e672972f89c4d91b255486c90284eff\u0022\u003EPAUL GOLDSMITH (National):\u003C/span\u003E I hesitate to stand up in front of my learned chair of the Local Government and Environment Committee, but I would like to have my say on this important bill, the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill. I was glad to hear from the previous speaker, Phil Twyford, his congratulations to the excellent member for Waitaki, Jacqui Dean, but I thought he was rather unkind in suggesting that there was some nervousness on the part of the local constituency about what the National Party\u2019s intentions were. I mean, given the fact that this member has a 14,140 majority\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246b704a826284621a666554a7c184f4e\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: How much?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1832faffb784a0dbfb832a8660512ae\u0022\u003EPAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: \u201414,140 over Barry Monks\u2014indeed, this person who has been held up to be commended. That has been the number of people voting for Jacqui Dean, and I think that is a great testament to the popularity of that member in the local environment and a testament to the hard work and the support of the National Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E There was a member who spoke earlier, Mr David Parker, who used to be a member in this area, I believe, some time ago. I understand that he tried to deal with the situation that we are dealing with in this bill, but failed to make any progress on what turned out to be a difficult and intractable issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228217314c0ce74117b7c6b567bbc7e3cc\u0022\u003EKris Faafoi\u003C/span\u003E: Shouldn\u2019t you be talking about Epsom?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278d5d9aba2534ab18afd389af4e4f0a6\u0022\u003EPAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, well, funnily enough, that member did indeed come up to Epsom, and he failed to have much traction in that area, either. He spoke with a great deal of clarity on a number of issues in the Epsom electorate, but I do not think he gained a lot of sympathy with the locals. To be sure, the people of Epsom do tend to be focused on understanding the importance of enterprise in the development of this country and its economy, and I do not think Mr Parker\u2019s messages around extra taxes and capital gains resonate very well with the locals up there, so he went on. I do think, nevertheless, that David Parker would make a fine leader of the Labour Party if he had an opportunity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EFundamentally, this bill is about fixing an error that was made back in 1937, when this land was mistakenly vested in the Waitaki District Council as a reserve. We all make mistakes. Indeed, sometimes political parties make mistakes when they are choosing leaders and when they are deciding where the future of the party is going to be. I suppose we have to reap the consequences of our mistakes. There comes a time when you have to set them right, and it will be interesting to see whether over the next few days the Labour Party\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d3665a5e3dd41a79f2e84c75bd2b3ca\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022673236d0dea44dddbe447a9350f1dd1c\u0022\u003EPAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014rectifies what may have been a mistake. Sorry, do I need to shorten things? Oh, right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f5c1d52cdb9444b94df747b134fddba\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: Back to the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a749eb307a54c01bbd15a3330982102\u0022\u003EPAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Getting back to Waitaki, then, interestingly, this bill really harks back to history. When we look at this land, which was originally purchased by the Government from Ng\u0101i Tahu in 1848 as part of the Kemp purchase, it was then part of the original subdivision of the town of \u014C\u0101maru. Then we go on to 1885, when the land was set aside as an endowment in aid of funds for the benefit of the then \u014C\u0101maru Borough Council. I heard another member, Chris Finlayson, in the general debate today talking about history. He was talking about the history of the Labour Party, which is going to be the subject of a seminar. It is interesting that they are focusing on the success of Norm Kirk.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fbd1a9f68a544505910a32780c8e1aa7\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s already been.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b76ed8e7b2a4f07aaebb31f6fd16e33\u0022\u003EPAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I would be very interested to hear some of the reports, because what you had here was celebrating the ability to take a 23-seat majority in 1992 and convert it into a 23-seat loss in 1975, and yet this is still held up as a great moment in history for the Labour Party. To go from a 23 majority to a 23 loss\u2014I am sorry, that was 1972 to 1975. I am sorry about that. It is interesting. That was a remarkable period in our history, to go from such support in 1972 and then in 1975 being in a great deal of trouble. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EAnyway, I am getting back to 1885, in that period when this land was set aside as an endowment in aid of funds for the benefit of the \u014C\u0101maru Borough Council. You cannot help but go back to 1885\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022538f5ea792d7493993f885e31ca48c81\u0022\u003EBrendan Horan\u003C/span\u003E: Is it actually going anywhere, this ramble?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f65f726617834da7a0447d4bbf9a4f08\u0022\u003EPAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014a very interesting time in New Zealand\u2019s history, when this nation was being developed\u2014somebody is trying to put me off\u2014and when this nation was growing. When we look back at the seeds of that success in New Zealand in the 19th century, what do we see? We see the innovation that was so important to the farming communities around \u014C\u0101maru, where it became a successful city and a prosperous part of New Zealand. We look at the export markets and the fact that New Zealand at the time had great access to the United Kingdom and was able to sell its produce around the world. Then we look at the skilled workforce that was ready and eager to work on the farms and to build with that \u014C\u0101maru stone that beautiful city that we now visit and understand and love. Then we look at the development of infrastructure that was so important to the nation and to the development of this city, linking it with Timaru, linking it with Dunedin and with Christchurch. Then we think about the natural resources that the people who came from the other side of the world to \u014C\u0101maru and set up their farms discovered, the gold up in the hills not far from \u014C\u0101maru, and the fruit and vegetables and the grass from the land. Then we also think about the capital markets that they were able to draw upon, through sovereign funds from London, in order to grow and develop. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EWhen we think about these, these are all the things that this Government is talking about in its Business Growth Agenda, which is the heart and soul of what this Government is trying to achieve here in this country. All those things that are so crucial now were indeed still crucial back in 1885, when this land that we are talking about here today was set aside as an endowment in aid of funds for the benefit of the \u014C\u0101maru Borough Council. I just wanted to reassert or underline the importance of all those elements of the Business Growth Agenda, which I think cannot be repeated enough in this House, because that is what this Government is focusing on and what it is all about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI just want to draw back, if I may, in the last few minutes that we have available to us to some of the intricacies of this bill. When we reached 1935 and there was an administrative oversight that saw this piece of land mistakenly vested in the Waitaki District Council as a reserve, we found that as a result of this confusion and the result of the semantics, the reserved land was endowed. It should have been endowed instead of reserved, as was intended. We had a long period of time when there was some confusion over the exact status of this land. So the council has been working closely with Land Information New Zealand, with Ng\u0101i Tahu, with the Department of Conservation, with the Commissioner of Crown Lands, and, indeed, with the member for Waitaki, the very fine Jacqui Dean. She worked tirelessly and meticulously to try to work her way through the complications of this situation to bring it to such a happy result as we have today. We have reached the second reading and we are not far off from resolving once and for all this issue, so that the local council can have the ability to have the flexibility of arrangements that it needs in order to continue to serve its community successfully, and in a way that does not unduly burden them with rates. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI was glad that the previous speaker, Phil Twyford, did mention the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill, which will be coming back to the House, because that is an excellent piece of legislation. Certainly, the thing that people around my neighbourhood are most concerned about is the cost of local government. This bill will deal with it in a particular way of great importance to the people of \u014C\u0101maru. But the wider legislation that will be coming down the track before too long will start to deal with some of those four well-beings that have led to a massive growth in local government spending over the last decade, and will get local government focused back on its essentials, such as dealing with its reserve and endowment lands and moving the community forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EGetting back on to Ng\u0101i Tahu, which took considerable advice in the development of this legislation, they confirmed to the council that it was their view that the Waitaki District Council has\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022 data-id=\u0022a196fe758d2143aeae31184c8046fc18\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a196fe758d2143aeae31184c8046fc18\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member but his time has expired. The next call is a split call, so I am calling Raymond Huo for 5 minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022 data-id=\u002247c45ecb116745478c76d7bb622b0450\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002247c45ecb116745478c76d7bb622b0450\u0022\u003ERAYMOND HUO (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E It is a great pleasure to take a call following that member who has just resumed his seat. I found Mr Paul Goldsmith\u2019s speech on history very informing and entertaining. It is very regrettable that that member has not taught us about the history of the Epsom electorate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003EBut back to this Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill. I would like to acknowledge Nicky Wagner\u2014the good chairperson of the Local Government and Environment Committee\u2014and also to acknowledge the member for Waitaki, Ms Jacqui Dean. She is doing a good job in bringing this bill to this House on behalf of her constituents, because they have waited for too long. Obviously, this bill is not her Government\u2019s priority. The purpose of this bill is to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022349fb6c8ac884b32a3889004fccca64c\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a local bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286bdbbc87b474f27857e36ed81aec4e7\u0022\u003ERAYMOND HUO\u003C/span\u003E: Well, calm down. This is a very serious speech about a serious bill. The purpose of this bill is to revoke the reservation status of two pieces of land within the Waitaki District, and they are Palmerston Showgrounds and Lot 1, DP 345820\u2014it sounds like this bill has taken me back to my commercial property lawyer days. This bill also seeks to clarify the status of a third piece of land, which is Lookout Point.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003ELabour supported this bill going to the select committee. As my colleagues the Hon Annette King, the Hon David Parker, and Phil Twyford have said in their previous speeches, Labour supported this bill but we did raise a concern about the land at Lookout Point. The first two pieces of land were uncontroversial, and the issue here was whether the third piece, namely the Lookout Point land, was endowment land\u2014and so able to be sold\u2014or reserve land, in which case it could not be sold. After extensive research it was found, and the committee was satisfied, that the status of the land at Lookout Point was endowment land. At the select committee we carefully considered the claims that the land had been set apart as a reserve in or about 1862. Based on extensive research and legal advice, we are satisfied that Lookout Point was never set apart as a public reserve under the Public Reserves Act Amendment Act 1862. I agreed with the opinion expressed at the Local Government and Environment Committee that the word \u201Creserve\u201D in this particular context, rather interestingly, means to set apart Crown land as endowments, and that it does not enable a public reserve to be endowed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003EHaving said that, we note that the chairman of the local group Waitaki Ratepayers and Concerned Citizens, Warren Crawford, confirmed in January that his group continued to oppose the subdivision. It believed that the land should be retained as a reserve and planted in native trees, and suggested that children be involved in that on Arbor Days. The group\u2019s biggest criticism was the lack of consultation, and, particularly, that a local member\u2019s bill had not gone to a select committee, with the opportunity for public submissions. As a result, this bill did go to the select committee. That brings us to the four well-beings in the purpose section of the Local Government Act 2002. This National-ACT Government is about to ditch that section and replace it with a much narrower and restrictive purpose section. Also, this bill, although relatively uncontroversial, is a good example as to how important it is for us to remember that the four well-beings that are the purpose of local government\u2014namely, the economic, social, cultural, and environmental well-beings\u2014are what the \u201Clocal\u201D is all about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022 data-id=\u0022ae850ec7db7d4f3f8deaffec2689027d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ae850ec7db7d4f3f8deaffec2689027d\u0022\u003ENICKY WAGNER (National\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226104b7ec243f47449a1c295cbfb7b95f\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: I will just make a point\u2014I am sorry to interrupt. I take it the Greens were not taking the balance of their 5-minute call? It is a 10-minute call\u2014Nicky Wagner.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228cf72cbc81a545a399150d2b41ac3bd3\u0022\u003ENICKY WAGNER\u003C/span\u003E: It is my great pleasure to talk to this Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill, and I would like to thank Jacqui Dean for bringing it to the House. It has been a really interesting bill because it has become a bit of a historical whodunit. As we have heard from many of the speakers here tonight, the bill originally focused on three pieces of land\u2014three pieces of property\u2014in the \u014C\u0101maru area. There was little debate about the first two pieces. There was very little debate about the Palmerston Showgrounds\u2014that is Palmerston in \u014Ct\u0101go\u2014or about Lot 1, DP 345820, which is actually in \u014C\u0101maru. The reason there was no debate was that both Ng\u0101i Tahu and the Department of Conservation agreed with the council and its proposed actions. There was no opposition and there were no submitters on that part of the bill. So those two pieces of land were very easily and quickly dealt with. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EBut the status of Lookout Point, which is also known as Forrester Heights, is a totally different matter. It is a particularly interesting piece of land, a beautiful piece of land, and a piece of land that the people of \u014C\u0101maru have used for a long time and have regarded as a reserve. At first glance at the documentation, it seemed to have changed description several times over the years. Indeed, there have been many twists and turns in how the property has been recorded, hence the question over its final status. The people of \u014C\u0101maru have been dealing with this issue for a long time. I thought it was interesting to note that it has come to the House before and it has been discussed, but we have never been able to get a solution. So we were very keen to be able to work our way through this process. It has been fascinating trying to untangle the various iterations. I would like to thank the submitters who came to us for their interest and for the documentation that they produced. There was a lot of detailed information, and it was very interesting to us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThe Local Government and Environment Committee was very conscious that we had to get this right. You do not want to carry on with another error and keep this going on and on. You want to make a final decision, so we were very sure that we had to get to the bottom of it and get it right. I think that regardless of the official status, this land has been considered by the people of \u014C\u0101maru as a reserve, as a public place, for many years. It was interesting to see Eugenie Sage\u2019s photographs of Arbor Day. The people of \u014C\u0101maru have gone there and planted it over the years. I would like to compliment our advisers. They did an excellent and thorough job, researching the history of Lookout Point and establishing its status. It was originally put aside in 1885 by Order in Council as endowment land. It was reserved as endowment land to fund the \u014C\u0101maru Borough Council. I think that is where the confusion has come about\u2014the word \u201Creserve\u201D. It was reserved, it was put aside, as endowment land, but the word \u201Creserve\u201D has been used in a much wider sense and the people of \u014C\u0101maru have seen it as a reserve. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EWe went back to our advisers, and we said that we needed to have a detailed background of that. So they went back to their books and they searched high and low, and although there have been many changes\u2014they went through each of the changes as they were recorded\u2014the status of the land has never formally been changed. Although there were many changes in how the status was recorded and the way it went through the process, it was never formally changed. Our advisers told us that, Land Information New Zealand agreed with that, the Department of Conservation agreed with that, and Ng\u0101i Tahu agreed with that. But, understanding the level of controversy over the land in the community, the select committee checked again, and double-checked, and checked again. We are convinced that despite the recording errors, the status of the land is still as originally set aside\u2014reserved\u2014in 1885 by Order in Council, for the purpose of endowment to aid the funds of the \u014C\u0101maru Borough Council, which now, of course, is the Waitaki District Council. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThe committee tried to make this very clear in our report. So we were very disappointed to read the headline in the Otago Daily Times that said: \u201CForrester Heights status likely to change\u201D\u2014obviously, it had missed the whole point of the report and the nuances behind it\u2014and it commented: \u201CThe reserve land status of land at Forrester Heights at Oamaru is almost certain to be revoked, after a parliamentary select committee report agreed that its status should be changed.\u201D Well, I have to say to the Otago Daily Times that that is not right. The status of the land has never officially changed, which just goes to show that you cannot believe everything you read in the newspapers, so remember that. The issue is emotive and there has been a lot of confusion surrounding the land. You can see that the newspaper has mixed up the purpose of the bill, because what it has ended up doing is focusing on the public\u2019s desire to use and enjoy the reserve land. That is not relevant to this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EWe all understand that people like reserve land and that people like green space in their community. And I do have to agree with Phil Twyford that although people enjoy that, this is to do with local decision-making\u2014nothing to do with the bill, at all. Unfortunately, I do not agree with all Mr Twyford says, but in this case I think he made a very valid point. Everybody does understand that local people want to enjoy the ongoing use of reserve land. Our job was not to decide whether this was reserve land or not; it was to clarify the status and the historical background, and that is what we did. What happens now to that land must be a local decision, and then people must talk to their council about that. It is nothing to do with us. Our job is to clarify the status. This is endowment land. There is absolutely no doubt about it. It is not a reserve. The confusion, I think, has been about the fact that it was reserved as endowment land. But I think we can be very clear, and the committee was sure. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EI would like to thank Jacqui Dean for sponsoring this bill. I think she has done a really good job. It has been a difficult time and there has been a lot of controversy in the community. I would like to thank the advisers for their detailed, careful, and thorough research, and for checking, double-checking, and checking again. And I would like to thank the committee for its commitment to getting this right. We did not just skate over the top of it. We were sure that it was important that people had clarity, that they knew what the results were, and that we did not go on perpetrating something that was not true. Thank you. I support this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022cc258fcc875049969bff13fda02801d9\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill be now read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 97\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; M\u0101ori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 23\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022353b349d0540447d9b7131854c165ae7\u0022\u003ELand Transport (Admissibility of Evidential Breath Tests) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00225f29a9c0a0124502ad0960766bc7182a\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000514\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 7 November.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u002284dcba7aa5aa468489dca93a5cd39f7d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002284dcba7aa5aa468489dca93a5cd39f7d\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD (Labour\u2014Te Atat\u016B):\u003C/span\u003E Labour is supporting this Land Transport (Admissibility of Evidential Breath Tests) Amendment Bill of Scott Simpson\u2019s to the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee. We are supporting it with a number of reservations. I want to make three points in the 5 minutes that I have tonight. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThe first is that the Attorney-General has raised a number of concerns about the bill. Labour\u2019s view is that unless we feel at the select committee that these concerns have been addressed satisfactorily, we will not be supporting the bill\u2019s further progress. The Attorney-General has ruled that the bill is inconsistent with the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, as it erodes the right to be presumed innocent. I want to quote the Attorney-General, who says: \u201Cthe provisions of the Bill are too broad and are not in proportion to the objective. I have no evidence that the number of motorists who now escape responsibility for offending, but would be captured by the proposed amendment, is significant.\u201D Well, that is a pretty serious objection. I would note that Scott Simpson, I think, has been quoted as saying that he does not know how many people would be captured by the closing of this loophole. In fact, I think he has speculated that it might be a handful of people. We would question whether, in fact, this is a good use of the House\u2019s time to bring a bill like this to the House without that basic groundwork having been done, and without some data upon which to base the premise that this bill relies on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThe Attorney-General also found that the wording \u201Cfor any reason\u201D would mean that circumstances such as a health professional not being available, for example, to administer the blood test at the time would be a suitable reason, and that does not seem to be the intention of the bill. So that is our first point: the Attorney-General has raised some serious issues, both drafting issues and about the data upon which the premise of this bill is based in terms of the number of people who, supposedly, are evading the law. Those things need to be addressed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EI should probably have pointed out, for the benefit of people listening or watching who were not here for the first couple of speeches on the bill, that what this bill aims to do is to tackle the issue of people who are physically unable to give a blood test once they have been stopped for drink-driving who take a breath test and then nominate\u2014as they are able to do under the law\u2014to have a blood test. I think the law allows 10 minutes for the person to make that decision. Once that person nominates that they will have a blood test, the evidence of the breathalyser is inadmissible at that point. The problem that the member Scott Simpson is trying to solve with this bill is that there are some people\u2014we do not know how many, but there are some\u2014who, for whatever reason, are physically unable to give a blood sample. They are somehow gaming the system\u2014this is the suggestion\u2014by opting for a blood test, thereby making the breathalyser result inadmissible, but they are unable then to deliver a blood sample. That is the bill in a nutshell. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EAs I have said, the Attorney-General has some problems with that, and raised the possibility\u2014I think, in fact, Mike Noon from the Automobile Association raised the possibility\u2014that the police, for example, could say that they do not have medical staff present, and therefore that would render the evidence of the breathalyser inadmissible and the person would get off. So those are some concerns about it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThe other thing that has to be said in this debate is that there is irony in the fact that a National member would bring to the House this bill, which would close a loophole affecting\u2014how many, we do not know\u2014possibly a handful of people, when this National-led Government has consistently refused to raise the blood-alcohol limit from 0.08 to 0.05\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b60f4382c4184471b12266a328c97c23\u0022\u003EMichael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: That is called a lowering.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222bf0de1a885e483c8cf6e1e521e9990d\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014lowering the limit; thank you to that member\u2014in the face of overwhelming international evidence that 0.05 is the gold standard. That change alone would save up to 30 lives a year, but this Government will not do it, because of the optics, apparently. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022 data-id=\u00229f520830a04d48619820ed58466dd2d6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229f520830a04d48619820ed58466dd2d6\u0022\u003EDENISE ROCHE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave of the House to rise for the dinner break early.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022 data-id=\u002203ae47a0bf274810bed8ee5ef3bb89f8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002203ae47a0bf274810bed8ee5ef3bb89f8\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is no objection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 5.59 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022 data-id=\u0022873731f6bb2e4c40a3dba66953eb9fbe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022873731f6bb2e4c40a3dba66953eb9fbe\u0022\u003EJULIE ANNE GENTER (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e te Whare. I would like to start speaking on the first reading of the Land Transport (Admissibility of Evidential Breath Tests) Amendment Bill. I would like to begin by acknowledging the member Scott Simpson for introducing a bill with the very worthy aim of reducing drink-driving. I think we can all agree that this is an incredibly worthy objective. The Green Party would like nothing more than to see a reduction in the amount of dangerous drink-driving that does occur already in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003EHowever, having considered this bill as it has been introduced, I do think that it falls well short of the mark. It will do very little to reduce drink-driving, if anything at all. There are multiple ways that we could approach the problem of drink-driving. I think that it is a serious problem that the Green Party would like to see addressed, and we would be very happy to support members on the National side of the House, or any members in the House, or the Government, to this end of reducing drink-driving. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003EI think that the most obvious legislative change that the Government could make to reduce drink-driving would be to lower the legal limit for all drivers. I suppose I have a huge question in my mind: why is that sort of initiative not being taken? If this Government was actually serious about reducing drink-driving, surely it would be willing to take a step that so many other countries around the world have already taken: to reduce the blood-alcohol concentration legal limit from 0.08 to 0.05. All the evidence shows it would make a dramatic difference in increasing safety on our roads, and increasing the safety and well-being of New Zealanders\u2014whether they be in cars or not\u2014if they are in the land transport environment in New Zealand. So it is with some regret that I note that this bill will actually do nothing at all to reduce the drink-driving that occurs in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003EAnother very effective policy that the National Party, or members in the National Party, could take to reduce drink-driving and reduce onerous regulations, which I believe they are opposed to, would be to remove the requirements in district plans that currently force bars and pubs to provide massive off-street car-parks. On the one hand we have this policy, a public policy, that says \u201COne shall not drink and then drive. One shall not drive under the influence of alcohol.\u201D, yet on the other hand patrons of bars and of pubs cannot avoid spending the money for the large off-street car-parks that district councils are forcing bars and pubs to put in through their onerous district council regulations. I know personally that I have spoken with a lawyer whose client had a prominent, well-patronised bar in downtown Christchurch\u2014this was prior to the earthquake\u2014and that bar, because of the requirements in the Christchurch district plan, was required to put in 100 car-parks. That is 100 car-parks that they were forced to put in. It was a third of their overhead, so we are talking about a pretty substantial cost imposed on developers, which results in nothing if not people being more likely to drink and drive. It just seems to me that this is an easy policy win. It is a low-cost way of giving councils the signal that it is actually up to developers whether or not they are going to provide off-street car-parks. But particularly in the case of bars and pubs, I believe it would be extremely important for them not to be forced to provide off-street car-parks. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003EThe question for the House is whether we really want to legislate to address what was only one problem in maybe one or two cases ever. That is what this bill does. It is for that reason that the Green Party will not be supporting this bill at the first reading. We simply do not believe that it passes the test of being necessary or being sufficient to address the problem of drink-driving in New Zealand. We are particularly concerned at the proposed wording in subsection (5), inserted by clause 4, which is very, very broad and very vague. What this says is that it is going to change the rules around the admissibility of breath tests for any reason at all, even though supposedly, purportedly, the bill is being introduced specifically for the case of when a blood specimen is not able\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002254c6dcd6a9cb439894f97b82089dbfa3\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Time has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u0022b1a35077dc6b4e7b912998572ef6d83d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b1a35077dc6b4e7b912998572ef6d83d\u0022\u003EMICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National):\u003C/span\u003E I am very, very pleased to talk in strong support of this Land Transport (Admissibility of Evidential Breath Tests) Amendment Bill. The principal reason is that I wrote it. As members know, only one bill can go into the ballot, and I do hope that my Financial Assistance for Live Organ Donors Bill does eventually get pulled out. In the meantime I pass this bill on to my very good friend and colleague Mr Simpson, who had the great good fortune to have this bill pulled from the ballot. I congratulate him on that good luck, but also on the very careful consideration in the process of bringing this to the House for its first reading. I congratulate him on the excellent work that he has done. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EThis bill actually had its genesis in a conversation I had with a senior constable in Dunedin who just happened to be my brother. It is actually quite advantageous coming from a very large family: one gets lots of policy advice on matters like aviation, defence, law and order, resource management, law, education, health, and so on. This was one of those conversations where he described an incident that had occurred to him in Dunedin, not dissimilar to the case that is described in Police v Childs, described by Scott Simpson in his contribution. Having pulled over a person suspected of drink-driving, an evidential breath test was taken where the fellow blew somewhere in the region of 660\u2014clearly over the limit by that measure. He elected blood, but the blood was unable to be taken, because he was an intravenous drug user and his veins were not of sufficient quality to draw the necessary blood. Suspecting that the driver was also under the influence of illegal substances\u2014interestingly enough, an impairment test was introduced under the drug-driving laws passed by this Government in 2009, when I was a member of the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee. Being the new member on that committee I actually undertook the first impairment test, which was onerous. Nevertheless, this fellow\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b46c99069908471ab6b5618c7f2c1c35\u0022\u003ECharles Chauvel\u003C/span\u003E: Did you pass?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa224e56ddf341e7835059803701ecca\u0022\u003EMICHAEL WOODHOUSE\u003C/span\u003E: I passed, yes, having been completely sober at 10.30 in the morning, which is the case, I reassure the House, usually. But, in fact, this fellow also passed, and therefore the doors were closed to any form of prosecution under the Land Transport Act as it exists right now. The judge addressed this issue, and, in fact, the police, I think, were quite optimistic in their attempts to charge this fellow with both refusing to permit a blood specimen or, in the alternative, driving with excess breath alcohol. Clearly, the latter is not allowed under this bill, and that is what the bill intends to remedy. But he certainly permitted them to have a go, and, in fact, he challenged them to have a go at getting blood out of this person\u2019s veins. I want to quote the judgment; in fact, I think this quotes the counsel for the defence in the Childs case, where he said in his submission that \u201CHad Parliament considered it appropriate to allow the prosecution to rely on the evidential breath test despite an election for blood taking place, it would have provided for such an occurrence, and that the appropriate place to review circumstances such as the inability to collect a blood sample despite compliance with procedure is Parliament.\u201D That was in July 2012. Well, Parliament, through this member\u2019s bill, had already addressed it, and this bill was in the ballot. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EI want to come on to the question of the Attorney-General\u2019s opinion in respect of whether or not this bill actually breaches the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act. I would respectfully suggest that the person writing the opinion on behalf of the Attorney-General is somewhat confused when he or she is describing that the effect of the bill \u201Cwould therefore be that the results of some positive evidential breath tests, that would not otherwise be admissible in evidence, would then become admissible.\u201D I think they are confusing the word \u201Cadmissible\u201D with the word \u201Cadmitted\u201D. The evidence is admissible, and, indeed, if blood is not elected, would be valid evidence before a judge. However, the law prevents it from being admitted into evidence, and I think that is a subtle but significant difference. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EThe other part of the opinion of the Attorney-General is that the presumption of innocence does not apply in this case, and I would again respectfully challenge that. The defendant, with whatever evidence is presented before the judge or jury, is presumed innocent in just the same way that, had blood not been elected, the breath evidence would be admissible, and the presumption of innocence would prevail. However, I do accept that this is an issue for the select committee to deal with when it comes before it, and I hope that it does. I am sure the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee under David Bennett will look at the issue very, very closely. I strongly support this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022 data-id=\u002221e33d964e2b45adb3090d56cbea5a49\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002221e33d964e2b45adb3090d56cbea5a49\u0022\u003ECHARLES CHAUVEL (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I think the previous speaker, Michael Woodhouse, made a proper concession just now that this bill, the Land Transport (Admissibility of Evidential Breath Tests) Amendment Bill, does need careful discussion at the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee. I hope, given that the two larger parties at least are supporting the bill to that stage, that it will get that careful scrutiny and discussion. I see that the chair of the select committee is here and is listening to the debate, so I think the House can have that confident expectation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003EThe bill, in the name of Scott Simpson\u2014and I congratulate him on his good fortune in having it drawn from the ballot\u2014aims to cure what I think he concedes is a very small number of cases where unusual events conspire to prevent a blood specimen being taken, and the example that I think has been used in a number of the speeches to date is the one where there was a person who was addicted to drugs and had compromised veins. The current situation is this. A breath result cannot be used as evidence once a blood test has been elected by the person who has been stopped at the side of the road, or at a checkpoint or what have you, for that purpose. The bill would provide that breath tests can be used if a blood specimen was not able to be taken from the defendant, and the words of the bill are \u201Cfor any reason\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003EI think the concern that I would want to put on the record is the breadth of the expression \u201Cfor any reason\u201D. I think people can see that it is a useful thing to try to plug a loophole, but I think that what we do need to do is make sure that we do not, as in the old clich\u00E9d proverb, use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. What I would not want to see by passing the legislation, if that is the ultimate fate of the bill, is the legitimising of a failure by the police to take effective action to ensure that there was a blood taker available in circumstances where the legislation would set out that expectation. The problem that I have, just on my reading of the bill, is the breadth of the expression \u201Cfor any reason\u201D. It is very wide. It would include there being no blood taker on the roster that night. I know, and I know that other members in the House know, that police go to a heck of a lot of trouble at the moment to make sure that they can comply with the law. They do go to great lengths with their rosters to make sure that there is somebody who can take blood if that is the election that the driver on the scene makes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003ELet us remember that these safeguards exist for good reason. The breath test is generally pretty reliable, but we know that there are cases where that has not proved to be the case. We should also remember that random stopping is an innovation in our law. It is an exception\u2014and it was a controversial exception at the time it was introduced\u2014to the principle that there ought to be reasonable cause for a seizure or search. We have seen the benefit of this innovation, because we have seen the road toll come down. So we all support it. But we want to make sure that the safeguards remain. We want to make sure that what we do not do is inadvertently give the police, who are pressured always for resources, some opportunity to cut corners by, for example, saying: \u201CWell, we don\u2019t need to have a taker of blood on the roster, because we\u2019ve got this marvellous exception that Scott Simpson has given us, and it means that for any reason we can ignore that requirement.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003EI just wanted to make that contribution in my speech. I think the policy of this bill makes a lot of sense, but we do not want to invalidate the entire regime that Parliament has carefully put in place over a number of years\u2014breath test then blood test, but the blood test as a proper back-up in the case that it is needed\u2014to protect liberty and to ensure that people going about their lawful business are not subject to penalties. So in order to support this legislation further, past the select committee, the Labour Party would need to see, at the very least, that matter considered and resolved appropriately.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022 data-id=\u002272a55a5599c94f2498aaefbe7c341548\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002272a55a5599c94f2498aaefbe7c341548\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT (National\u2014Hamilton East):\u003C/span\u003E I thank members for the many considered contributions to the debate from both the Labour and National sides of the House. First of all, I would like to commend the proponent of the Land Transport (Admissibility of Evidential Breath Tests) Amendment Bill, Mr Scott Simpson. As a member from the Waikato region as well, I know Scott and he is a very, very loyal constituent member who has done a great job for his people, advocating for them time and time again and delivering results for his electorate. I think they are very lucky to have such a high-calibre member, and I think his exceptional degree of dedication and devotion to his electorate will shine through in future elections. So that is very, very good. I also commend Mike Woodhouse, our whip, who did a great job in putting this idea forward in an earlier stage, but\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eac190010dba4524acfe57e4c84270b1\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: What about Phil Heatley?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221989eb26ea8a49d7b3a6f2872db062e0\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, I do not know about Phil Heatley, actually. But Mr Simon Bridges? Yes, that Minister is going to help us through this process. He is an excellent Minister, as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EI think it is pretty obvious what the bill is trying to do, and members of the House have talked about it. I know that Phil might need it said again so that he can grasp it, but it is not that hard. There are some issues around how it will actually be done. That is the case with members\u2019 bills. Often we put a bill forward, and the process of getting official advice and of letting members discuss the content of the bill through the parliamentary process in this House and through the select committee process is vital to make changes and get the bill right. I would like to thank the Labour Opposition for supporting this bill going forward so that we can go through that process and we can have a look at it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022448cefa439f845b280a21977e48c043d\u0022\u003EDarien Fenton\u003C/span\u003E: Unlike that side. They don\u2019t support our bills.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002245d58f9da89d4a85b7b0f550517aa82e\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: I see Darien Fenton over there. She is one of those very strong and very effective Labour members of the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee, along with Phil Twyford and Andrew Little. We look forward to their working constructively, as they normally do in the committee. It is a very good select committee, actually. We have very cordial relations in the committee. We have efficient and timely meetings, and we deal with issues of great importance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022accbb766c457431b9ca78dbc9218f827\u0022\u003EBrendan Horan\u003C/span\u003E: What about the rail submissions? The Gisborne to Napier line?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213e77755ed44477786cd5fc83c6ff514\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: Now we are getting New Zealand First. Those members always have to cause trouble. They cannot sit quietly in a debate like this. I guess there is a conspiracy theory about this bill, according to the New Zealand First mantra of politics. So what is the problem with it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022727c734310fb486eae3e6c5b2199f110\u0022\u003EBrendan Horan\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s actually the first sensible bill we\u2019ve heard from that side for quite some time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227e83da12c4964d67b385c3a864485db6\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: It is the first sensible bill. Are they voting for it? That is going to be the question. That will be the issue. Whether they can vote Yes will be another question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EI do want to congratulate members of the committee on the way they work together, and I think they will undertake to work in that way on this bill. Scott Simpson is actually a member of the committee, and a very fine member as well. I think he is going to have a lot of questions tomorrow at the committee meeting. I think his important role\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022285e8f0d1df744ddb9dbd58cf710a0ed\u0022\u003EKris Faafoi\u003C/span\u003E: He better read the bill, then.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002224714a39a65043d9b178c1d0d6f20327\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014yes\u2014on the committee as the proponent of the bill means he will take an active interest in how it passes through the political and legislative process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EI guess that, in the sense that we have always wanted to see the safest and strongest roading system that we can have, it is important that we make these changes where and if necessary to look after public safety. The No. 1 thing that members of this House are entrusted to do in regard to these kinds of bills is to make sure we look after our young people and our drivers and take the approach of trying to do the best we can so that we do not have issues where people try to game the system or take advantage of it, and so that there is a fair and equitable system out there that applies for all. Those are the words that New Zealand First members should listen to\u2014\u201Cfair and equitable\u201D. They are words that your leader holds dear, but to you as a party I say that we look forward to you supporting this bill, because it is fair and equitable. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022 data-id=\u00226563365043e3469fbd8e2b32e70298b4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226563365043e3469fbd8e2b32e70298b4\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is the member calling?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022deffc6244ecc4ceb9b2d167be07a3eef\u0022\u003EDenis O\u2019Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: I am calling, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec9aea32f71647fd86e47770581e07e0\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I did not hear you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022 data-id=\u0022c6e6b8afe6f744d580108e8b063a7ac4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c6e6b8afe6f744d580108e8b063a7ac4\u0022\u003EDENIS O\u2019ROURKE (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E That was probably because of the noise coming from the other side of the room. Anyway, I would like to say this in response to what I have just heard. In fact, yes, New Zealand First does support the Land Transport (Admissibility of Evidential Breath Tests) Amendment Bill. We think it is a common-sense approach and, yes, we do think it is fair and equitable. It is fair to say that. We do think, in particular, that there is a defect in the Act as it is at present, where a positive evidential breath test is not admissible simply because the suspect person has elected a blood test but is in circumstances where no blood test is possible. That is a defect. It is a hole in the legislation and it does need to be fixed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First is very much in support of all practical means to make sure that such loopholes are closed and that people who are, in fact, guilty of drink-driving are caught. Provided that that is done with due process of law, then we think we should be as tight as possible in making sure that all such people are, in fact, prosecuted, and prosecuted successfully. It is just not good enough that somebody should be able to elect to take a blood test knowing, in fact, that a blood test is unlikely to be possible, and then to be in a position where their breath test is not admissible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EI would have to say, though, that I do not think that the drafting of this particular bill is very good at all. In fact, the provision\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022acae2a094bfc4550a18b1add49928e58\u0022\u003EBrendan Horan\u003C/span\u003E: Grammatically incorrect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cee6a8d1933e41f59f181c70f1e1a549\u0022\u003EDENIS O\u2019ROURKE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, that is true. My friend Mr Horan has said that it is grammatically incorrect, and it is poor grammar. It says in clause 4(2): \u201CAfter section 77(4), insert: \u2018(5) Subsection (3)(b) does not apply if a blood specimen was not able to be taken from the defendant for any reason.\u2019\u00A0\u201D What kind of grammar is \u201Cwas not able to be taken\u201D? I do not know who wrote this, but they need to go back to school and learn some grammar. But, more particularly, we need good drafting of this bill. The bill should be amended so as to read, for example: \u201CSubsection (3)(b) does not apply if it was not possible or practicable for a blood specimen to be taken \u2026\u201D. That is what I presume it means, and if that is what it is intended to mean, that is actually what it should say, not these poorly drafted words that we see before us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EWhen we see members\u2019 bills coming forward in this way, people should at least take the trouble to draft them properly, so that not only is the English correct but also it actually says what it is intended to say. I think that the word \u201Cpossible\u201D or the word \u201Cpracticable\u201D is what is intended, so we want this to be amended. We want to see that it covers only situations where it is actually not possible to get a blood test or where it is not practicable to do so. So we would expect to see this amended accordingly. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EAnother thing that it should do is this. The last few words are \u201Ctaken from the defendant for any reason.\u201D That is not good enough, either. That is also poor drafting, because what we do not really mean is \u201Cany reason.\u201D, and what we should do is tighten that a little bit as well. I think it should say, for example, \u201Cunavoidable reason.\u201D, or words to that effect. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First, if it going to continue to support this bill in the future, would like to see that it is properly drafted and amended accordingly. But I would like to go on and say this: drink-driving remains one of New Zealand\u2019s most serious safety issues, and I do not think we are doing nearly as much in this country as we should about it. This is a very small measure. It is worthwhile, but we would expect of the Government that it takes a lot more action on controlling drink-driving. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EThe new amendments to the alcohol bill will take us a little bit further in respect of that, but we also need to take further actions in respect of who may drive a car. Driving a car is a privilege and there must be further restrictions on doing it, especially in relation to people who are affected not just by alcohol but also by any situation in which their driving ability is impaired. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003ESo we would like to see much more comprehensive legislation than we see here. In particular, we need to address much more the behaviour of people who drink excessively. We need to be tougher with the penalties\u2014much tougher than we are now\u2014and we need to widen the scope of offences that already exist.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022 data-id=\u00224e15a7ecfc2643589b61a2cfde5bd912\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224e15a7ecfc2643589b61a2cfde5bd912\u0022\u003EDr PAUL HUTCHISON (National\u2014Hunua):\u003C/span\u003E It gives me a huge pleasure to speak in favour of the Land Transport (Admissibility of Evidential Breath Tests) Amendment Bill. May I congratulate the initiator of this bill, Scott Simpson, the member for Coromandel. This is, indeed, a\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b5a2c673b87497da8ef91801f4298f8\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: It was Woodhouse who drafted it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229161382c803d4d78bcffc4995fe194ef\u0022\u003EDr PAUL HUTCHISON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, maybe it was. So there is another Government member to congratulate on this very good bill. I am also pleased to be standing to the right of the chairman of the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee, David Bennett. I know that he will very ably ensure that the bill goes through the select committee very expeditiously. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EBut I want to just go back in history a bit of time to when I was a young medico and the days even\u2014believe it or not\u2014before accurate breath testing. On the North Shore there was a very infamous doctor. What we used to do when the drivers were brought in was have them firstly undergo the \u201Cwalk along the line straight\u201D test. They were then asked a few questions, and if they failed both, they would have the choice either to have their blood taken for testing or to be put into the cell. The very infamous doctor was infamous because he was not good at getting blood. I vividly remember going in when I was a locum for him one day, and this guy had anticipated and said that he would go for the cell, thanks. But he was very relieved to see me and said: \u201CLook, I feel a little bit embarrassed now that I\u2019ve opted for a night in the cell. If I\u2019d known you were on\u2014you are pretty slick at taking blood\u2014I would have opted for the blood test, and it would have saved me the night.\u201D However, the relevance is this: today we do have pretty accurate breath testing. Of course, if someone opts against having an evidential blood test as well, then I think it is quite right and proper that the breath test is, indeed, taken. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003EThere is the issue of those who have bad veins, and it is quite true that some number do have bad veins, whether they are those who take drugs all the time or, perhaps, someone on dialysis therapy. I can think of Joeli Vidiri, the great rugby player, who, sadly, is on dialysis treatment and has just about no vein in his body for a blood test other than the jugular. Quite clearly it would be inappropriate to take a blood test if that was relevant in that case. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003ESo we see here a bill that is elegant in its simplicity and absolutely relevant in terms of the mechanism for the remedy to forgoing the blood test when someone opts not to have it. I can say that I am delighted to support it. I hope, indeed, that New Zealand First members, who sounded as though they were wavering a little bit a moment or two ago when I\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b43f643180404926870670c6ccf7d2b8\u0022\u003EBrendan Horan\u003C/span\u003E: No, there was never a waver.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002293c153643b7647fca5dba96af2491a77\u0022\u003EDr PAUL HUTCHISON\u003C/span\u003E: They are not wavering? That is good. There is definitely support coming from New Zealand First, and Mr Horan can guarantee that his party will be supporting it. I am very glad to hear that. This is an excellent bill. Scott Simpson is to be congratulated. I certainly commend it to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022 data-id=\u002265593a518fb848f08e7964ab0fa3bc88\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002265593a518fb848f08e7964ab0fa3bc88\u0022\u003ESCOTT SIMPSON (National\u2014Coromandel):\u003C/span\u003E It is a great pleasure to be concluding this first reading debate on my Land Transport (Admissibility of Evidential Breath Tests) Amendment Bill. As various speakers in the debate have indicated, this is not a bill that is going to have an impact on a particularly large number of people, but the people it will have an impact on are currently able to literally evade the provisions made by this House in the principal Act regarding drink-driving, and they are literally able to get off scot-free. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EI want to thank members for their considered debate, for their contributions to the debate so far. I am very much looking forward to participating in the select committee process, under the capable and very able chairmanship of David Bennett. I know that once we get it to the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee we will address some of the issues that have been raised in the debate so far. I was particularly pleased, early on in this exercise, to receive from Mike Noon of the Automobile Association support in principle from that organisation. It too understands that there has been a very significant attitudinal change towards drink-driving in this nation over the last generation or so, since Dr Hutchison was practising medicine as a young intern some years ago\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002266ea7f175bcb427fb513a434b3ba3e66\u0022\u003EDr Paul Hutchison\u003C/span\u003E: Just a few years ago.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f147828a44c0470ab830f115ef18bee8\u0022\u003ESCOTT SIMPSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014just a couple of years ago\u2014and things have changed a little bit. Society\u2019s attitude towards those who drive while under the influence has changed significantly, and for even a small number of people to be able to evade the intention of this House in bringing them to remedy for the consequences of their poor social behaviour\u2014and, indeed, their illegal driving\u2014I think is a matter that needs addressing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EI want to spend just a minute referring, for the sake of those members who did not hear it in the original speech, to the judgment relating to the case of Police v Childs heard in the Rotorua District Court just this year\u2014in fact, in July of this year. Judge MacKenzie examined all the current case law and had to dismiss the case against Childs. He had blown a screening test\u2014that is the one where you have got the little electronic device, where you have to give your name and address\u2014and he proved positive on that. He then blew an evidential breath test, and then was given the option of a blood test, which he was perfectly entitled to take under the existing law. However, Mr Childs was an intravenous drug user of some long number of years and his veins\u2014he knew, I suspect\u2014were utterly unable to be tapped for the required sample of blood. So after 40 minutes\u201440 minutes\u2014of attempting to draw a significant and appropriate blood sample, the medical officer was not able to do so. When the case came before Judge MacKenzie he had to throw it out because the situation of the facts presented meant that Childs was statute-barred from being prosecuted, because no blood sample was available to him. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EI think that is wrong, and even if it is for a small number of people each year, it is still wrong, and for this House not to address what was actually an oversight in the original legislation\u2014in the original 1998 legislation\u2014I think is something that we need to turn our attention to now. Thus the measure of the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EI want to thank the originator of the bill, my colleague the senior Government whip, Michael Woodhouse, who did indeed draft the original bill. I am sure I can vouch for his grammar and the accuracy thereof. He has a good education. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EThe Attorney-General\u2019s report is something that is worth a small consideration because the report does sit on the Table of this House. But like other speakers on this side, I respectfully reject the position that the Attorney-General has taken on this matter. It will still be the case of the police, as in any criminal matter in our criminal jurisdiction, to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt. That is the measure of all criminal convictions in New Zealand, and nothing would change under my bill. The Automobile Association, in its support of the bill, has indicated that it too would like to consider narrowing the clause a wee bit, and that is a matter that will be rightly and properly addressed at the select committee. I am looking forward to participating in the process. I thank members for their consideration so far, and commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002247dbb211d2fc4bb3a06ac8b74f2e6b11\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Land Transport (Admissibility of Evidential Breath Tests) Amendment Bill be now read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 105\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 8; M\u0101ori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 15\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party 14; Mana 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBill read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000586\u0022\u003EBill referred to the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002262657a2b8b474c4e86ea55e8c16867d3\u0022\u003EConservation (Natural Heritage Protection) Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00222e97fc354b124b0f9815fc6d90c6ecb9\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u0022e04da8f36c8a46b99e008212a555aac1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e04da8f36c8a46b99e008212a555aac1\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN (National\u2014Waitaki):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Conservation (Natural Heritage Protection) Bill be now read a first time. I nominate the Local Government and Environment Committee to consider the bill. There are several populations of very attractive jewelled geckos on Banks Peninsula and also a population on the Otago Peninsula. They are attractive to us because they are the most wonderful creatures\u2014green, with yellow and white markings. They are pretty unique as well, giving birth to live young and also being active during the day. These geckos, endemic to the South Island of New Zealand, are highly protected and it is illegal to disturb or capture them. Unfortunately, jewelled geckos are also attractive to wildlife smugglers, who, if they can get them past our borders, can make an extraordinary amount of money from them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003ESmugglers come to New Zealand often posing as tourists. Some of them are acting as agents for overseas collectors, and have maps and global positioning system points provided by overseas syndicates, with the detailed locations of where to find our geckos. They might hire a campervan and they might visit, and then revisit, the same site on the Otago Peninsula or Banks Peninsula over a number of years, targeting our iconic species over and over again, and literally ripping off our heritage. The smugglers are driven by the big money that they can get at the huge trade fairs overseas, held in Europe. These trade fairs are where our native wildlife, such as jewelled skink, are openly sold, and if you go on the internet, which is easy enough to do these days, you can see pictures of them in plastic containers like Tupperware or GladWare containers, sitting there on perhaps a paper towel, and they are easily identifiable by way by their markings, which are pretty individual to them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003ESo they are openly sold, both on the internet and also at these large trade fairs, reaching prices often of more than $10,000 each and more if it happens to be a pregnant female. Just recently, a pregnant female was caught in the hands of a potential smuggler at our border in Christchurch. She was pregnant with two young inside her. I do not know the price of that female, but the loss to New Zealand and to the native population is a\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022040a05f30178443da1d062ac4fb2dcdc\u0022\u003EScott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: Priceless loss to New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eda0147faf474917a0b72466c8705a34\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it is a priceless loss to New Zealanders and is pretty keenly felt by those of us who are neighbourly with these skinks in Otago and, indeed, Canterbury. For the Otago population of jewelled gecko, poachers are now a larger threat than even cats and ferrets, and it is estimated that the population has been decimated by up to one-third over a period of 5 years, leaving a population of fewer than 5,000 in Otago. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThe Wildlife Enforcement Group, which was set up by the Government, is doing wonderful work. It is based in the Customs Service, together with the Ministry for Primary Industries and the Department of Conservation. In 2010 a German gentleman, Manfred Bachmann, was caught in Christchurch by the Wildlife Enforcement Group with 16 jewelled gecko in a backpack on his person. He pleaded guilty to being in possession of absolutely protected wildlife under the Wildlife Act and was sentenced to 15 weeks in jail, and, in my view, that is not enough. The Conservation (Natural Heritage Protection) Bill does not only apply to the jewelled gecko, of course. Plenty of New Zealand\u2019s precious and protected flora, fauna, and natural and historic resources are under threat. The new penalties proposed in the bill, relating to animals, will also cover the poaching and smuggling of tuatara and of parrots. Some penalties in the current legislation are far too low. Upon sentencing German national Manfred Bachmann, who was found guilty of smuggling jewelled gecko, Judge Farish, who was presiding, noted: \u201CGiven the value of these creatures, perhaps the penalty needs to be increased to deter you and other people from thinking it\u2019s appropriate to come here and steal these valuable creatures from our country.\u201D I could not agree more with those sentiments. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThis bill proposes amendments to the Conservation Act 1987, the National Parks Act 1980, the Reserves Act 1977, the Wildlife Act 1953, and the Wild Animal Control Act 1977. Instead of a sentence of 15 weeks in jail for smuggling jewelled gecko, the likes of Mr Bachmann would face up to 3 years\u2019 imprisonment and a fine of $200,000. Maybe that would send a strong message to him and his like in the international smuggling community, and they will know that they are not welcome here in New Zealand with their smuggling ways.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThe bill not only increases penalties for offences but also provides a consistent approach across a number of Acts. Under the bill, fines for reserves and national parks will come into line with each other and will provide clarity across the main regulations administered by the Department of Conservation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThe message we want to send people through this legislation, should it be passed, is that New Zealand is not, should not, and will not be a soft touch for overseas smugglers coming to New Zealand to steal our natural heritage. So this bill sends a strong message that we take the protection of New Zealand wildlife and our natural areas very seriously. We New Zealanders pride ourselves on our clean, green image. It is imperative that we look after our natural environment, because it is our greatest asset. A consistent approach to penalties across the laws administered by the Department of Conservation will ensure appropriate and effective penalties, punishment, and enforcement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EI want to finish my contribution tonight and my introduction to this bill by commending the commitment and the work of the Department of Conservation. I also want to commend the commitment and the work of the Customs Service and also those personnel in the Ministry for Primary Industries in their work with the Wildlife Enforcement Group, and I hope that this bill will give them more teeth. I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022 data-id=\u002200206eeffd80426082e61f33764d92fb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002200206eeffd80426082e61f33764d92fb\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON (Labour\u2014Port Hills):\u003C/span\u003E I acknowledge the member who has just resumed her seat, Jacqui Dean, and say that her presentation of her Conservation (Natural Heritage Protection) Bill was spoken with some insight and passion, and I commend both. I am very pleased to say that Labour is supporting this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EMrs Dean said she wanted to see better protection of New Zealand\u2019s wildlife and natural and historic resources, and she talked about the jewelled gecko on Banks Peninsula and Otago Peninsula. As the member of Parliament who used to represent Banks Peninsula before it was stolen unkindly from me by the Hon Amy Adams and put into the Selwyn electorate, I was privileged to see those geckos on a number of occasions and I really enjoyed them. I know that a former Minister of Conservation, the Hon Dr Nick Smith, was part of those experiences, as well, when he was not kayaking in Akaroa Harbour, waiting for a reserve to be put there. The reserve still is not there, Dr Smith, so get back in that job and let us get it progressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EI remember not very long ago having a bill that made quite a small amendment to the Resource Management Act, but it was one that in my view was quite significant because it changed the part of the Resource Management Act that allowed for private enterprise to compulsorily acquire land in order to progress their projects. I thought it was something that really deserved cross-party support in the House. I remember the Hon Dr Nick Smith\u2019s contribution in that debate\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022354f6f848f4a4d5784bbd2dba2504fb6\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: They\u2019re always memorable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002259b8b90904224042b60fb0ad0394cf5f\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON\u003C/span\u003E: Perhaps my colleague Grant Robertson is correct\u2014they are always memorable. I certainly remember this one because he said that we should not do little bits of changes, even though the bill was a member\u2019s bill. He said we should look at the whole issue\u2014we should look at a comprehensive approach. He was talking about the Resource Management Act. So I am looking forward to Dr Smith\u2019s speech tonight when he, with the same consistency of principle, refuses to support his colleague Jacqui Dean\u2019s bill, on the basis that it is not even a tinkering. It is not worthy of even the description of tinkering. It is such a small amendment. But it is significant. It is very comparable to the Resource Management Act amendment I introduced, which Nick Smith railed against and then led the vote against. So whilst supporting this bill, I look forward to his contribution, because I will be giving him marks out of 10 for his consistency and I would like him to score highly on that point.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EThis bill ensures that not only are the penalties for, as the member described, trying to smuggle our precious gecko etc. out of the country, or releasing pests into natural reserves, which is another one of the penalties, increased but actually they are made more consistent, and I think that is a very good thing. At the moment, if someone released a stoat into a nature reserve, the highest penalty they could receive would be a $500 fine or 1 month\u2019s imprisonment. That in itself is quite bizarre because $500 does not seem all that much actually but 1 month\u2019s imprisonment seems like quite a lot. So I think there is some inconsistency within even the existing penalty regime. Under the National Parks Act, if part of a national park is carved off and converted to pasture, or to a stand of trees that then is milled, the highest penalty is $2,500 or 3 months\u2019 imprisonment. So there is quite an inconsistency between those offences. But if those same offences happened in a conservation area such as the Kaimanawa Conservation Park, the maximum penalty for the same offences would be $10,000 or 12 months in prison. So, again, how did all of this come about? Well, it came about because we did not have an overview in the way that the member has provided for in this member\u2019s bill. And we know that the areas that national parks protect are typically of higher value than conservation areas, so it is even more foolish. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E So while Labour will be supporting this bill, and I certainly look forward to the debate at the Local Government and Environment Committee, if that is, indeed, where it is referred to after the vote, I have to say that out of all of the things that are happening in the conservation space, I would have thought that a member of the Government might have used the opportunity of a member\u2019s bill to make sure that the fundamental role of the Department of Conservation was secured and perhaps even\u2014it might be a bit dramatic for the National Party\u2014enhanced, not just left as the status quo. The Hon Nick Smith\u2019s eyes are lighting up, because I know that is what he would want to do with it; not just retain the status quo but strengthen the role of the Department of Conservation. What we have seen over the last 4 years is a real dumbing down of the department. I think that is a huge shame and it is something we will pay for over the longer term, quite significantly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EThe National Party sees the environment and the economy as separate entities that need to be balanced, rather than seeing them as dependent on each other, or two sides of the one coin, which is the way Labour sees those issues. So the Department of Conservation has lost its place as a critical player in our public policy. We do not have the advocacy role. We certainly do not have in the Minister an advocate for conservation issues. We saw the Minister just stand back and watch Gerry Brownlee and Steven Joyce bowl over her views in terms of mining of schedule 4 land. It was not really until thousands of New Zealanders got on the street and protested against the possibility not of mining\u2014the protest was not against mining\u2014but of mining in our most special places, the pieces of land that are protected under schedule 4 of the Crown Minerals Act. Those pieces of land are there for a particular reason, and they should be protected. That is why they are put under schedule 4 of that legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EWe know that the Department of Conservation has had massive staff cuts. During the submissions on the Game Animal Council Bill we heard a lot about the relationship the Department of Conservation has with local people in provincial areas in particular. In some parts of the country the Department of Conservation works alongside recreational hunters, works alongside iwi, works alongside community groups, works alongside schools, to make sure that those conservation values are seen as part of the ongoing resources and win the support of the community. But what we have seen in other areas is that, through the staff cuts that the National Government has imposed on the Department of Conservation, the staff have been centralised, they have been moved to other parts of the country, and those relationships are just not possible. There are not local people doing that job any more. We know that over the next 12 months we are going to see further staff cuts in the Department of Conservation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EOne of the areas that are of most concern is the lack of scientific research that is now available as a core function of the Department of Conservation. If we want evidence-based research, if we want best practice, if we want to be really confident that the decisions made in regard to conservation are made on the basis of evidence and on the basis of good information, we need that scientific base. We have seen good scientists\u2014some of the best scientists\u2014leave the Department of Conservation because the work is not there for them. Even when there is some work available, they do not get the satisfaction any more of knowing that that work is going anywhere.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EI hope that the Minister of Conservation, when it comes to the next big decision that she has to make, is able to get some courage, which she has not demonstrated in many recent decision-making processes. That decision is in regard to protection for M\u0101ui\u2019s dolphins. The submissions have closed just this week, and thousands of New Zealanders put in submissions calling for protection of the most endangered dolphin, and a dolphin that is New Zealand\u2019s dolphin. There are only 55 adult M\u0101ui\u2019s dolphins left. I implore the Minister to use her power as Minister of Conservation and to not be pushed back by the people in her Cabinet who do not care nearly as much about our dolphin or our reputation internationally as they do about so-called economic benefits. There is a bottom line, and I think that the future of a species that we are responsible for protecting should be a big part of that bottom line. I want the Minister responsible for fisheries to put some money into sustainable fishing practices for New Zealand, so that instead of the fishing industry losing out in a decision to protect the M\u0101ui\u2019s dolphins, we can get a win-win situation. But at the moment that is not happening. The Minister of Conservation is standing by and letting the Minister for Primary Industries run the place. I think that is a great shame.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EThe conservation values that we have in New Zealand are important to us. This bill will give us an opportunity to make better sense of our penalty regime, but also to give better protection to some\u2014 \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022 data-id=\u002215a7cb7b43db400fb611189d2f54006d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002215a7cb7b43db400fb611189d2f54006d\u0022\u003ENICKY WAGNER (National\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E I am very pleased to support the Conservation (Natural Heritage Protection) Bill in the name of Jacqui Dean. I would like to congratulate Jacqui Dean on having two bills in the House this afternoon. It is great work, and she is a hard-working member for Waitaki. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EI think we are all concerned that New Zealand\u2019s unique plants and animals are at risk, and we want to be able to protect them better. Our plants and animals are exceptional. They are totally unique, highly desirable, and greatly prized, and a real temptation to the collectors of the world, who are always looking for the unusual, the beautiful, and, particularly, the unobtainable. Unfortunately, there are many collectors globally who are happy to pay big money for these creatures. They will pay for the skinks, for the geckos, for our birds, and, really, for anything that is unique and different, and that comes from the other side of the world. We have also seen a dramatic increase in violence against creatures, as well as the poaching, the stealing, and the smuggling. New Zealanders all find these behaviours abhorrent, because we are proud of our country, we are proud of our plants, birds, and reptiles, and we want to make sure that they stay here. We want to protect our natural spaces and the birds and creatures who live in them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThis bill introduces bigger fines and longer jail sentences for people who endanger our wildlife or damage our protected natural habitats. We need to have a consistency across the 5 Acts amended by this bill. It was interesting that the Hon Ruth Dyson mentioned the lack of consistency. That is what this bill is driving at: consistency and penalties that deter unacceptable behaviour. We are serious about this. We are serious about deterring this type of crime. It is not just a crime against our flora and fauna; it is also a crime against the people of New Zealand. So we are introducing a maximum fine of $10,000 or a 2-year jail sentence for offences conducted in both reserves and national parks. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EI was horrified to find out that collectors from Asia and from Europe are particularly interested in our unique reptiles, particularly creatures like the jewelled geckos that, as Jacqui Dean has mentioned, live in Banks Peninsula and Otago. These fetch enormous prices overseas, I have heard, of up to $25,000 each. They are actually relatively easy to catch in the remote parts of New Zealand, and they are quite easy to transport as well. Dozens of endangered lizards disappear from their native habitats every year. Many are in the hands of suspected organised criminal groups, who sell them on the internet. New Zealand geckos are particularly prized, because they give birth to their young live, so if you get a pregnant one, you actually get a whole lot of free geckos as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EIn the past 3 years seven people have been caught smuggling protected geckos and skinks out of the South Island. One group, including a German from Uganda who was sentenced to 15 weeks in jail, was caught with 16 jewelled geckos. They were packed in tubes; others put them down their pants or in their clothing. But these 16 geckos were valued at over $200,000, and at least nine of them were pregnant. The geckos usually end up on a German website, where traders claim that they have been bred in captivity. It is not true, and it is not right. I know that the Department of Conservation and Wildlife Enforcement Group are working very hard to protect these geckos and skinks. I support this bill, because it does show how seriously we are taking these issues and how much we value our birds and reptiles. I commend this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u002262bc07b9f1ab4152b44eb46626346c5e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002262bc07b9f1ab4152b44eb46626346c5e\u0022\u003EGRANT ROBERTSON (Deputy Leader\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E It is a pleasure to take a call on this Conservation (Natural Heritage Protection) Bill. As other speakers have noted, there is a lot to be said positively about this bill in the sense that it takes seriously the issues that have been raised about smuggling and about protecting our flora and fauna, by increasing fines and trying to address some of the inconsistency within the various fines regimes that cover our conservation estate, and that cover the flora and fauna that, as the previous speaker, Nicky Wagner, has said, we are all so proud of in New Zealand. It always strikes me when we look at legislation that is about fines and regimes for penalties that we find ourselves in the House continuously trying to update them like some kind of inflation index here within the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EI do wonder at the wisdom sometimes of legislation that sets dollar figures and then expects time to stand still and those dollar figures to somehow mean something. As Ruth Dyson said earlier, when you have a situation where it is a $500 fine or 1 year in prison, that indicates that time has got away on the legislation. I do think that overall there is a question of whether it is wise to be setting in legislation particular dollar figure penalties when, in fact, what we are trying to do is express the will of Parliament about the seriousness of these offences\u2014whether, actually, we are better off with some other kind of system that does not require us to come back as some form of inflation index every few years and make the changes that are being proposed tonight by Jacqui Dean. But that is obviously not in the scope of this particular bill, and the fines increases and penalty increases that are indicated in the bill seem to me to be reasonable. Certainly, from the Labour Party\u2019s point of view, we are keen to see this bill go to the Local Government and Environment Committee to discuss the wisdom of the penalties regimes as they stand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EBut if we are talking about making things consistent, there is one thing that we can say that is absolutely consistent about this Government\u2019s approach to conservation matters, and that is the fact that from the day its members entered office, they have undermined the operations of the Department of Conservation\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002206e0f1468c4f4ac89ec99150247e9a01\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s rubbish!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002214586cf7963a457dbf7c672162ce404e\u0022\u003EGRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Smith says it is rubbish. Let us go through the record. The 2009 Budget cut $54 million out from the Department of Conservation\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002270d34c6f9e7c435f81106b73f0fdc048\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Over how many years?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226ae140de702f4e5cb49eee4bac8c07ee\u0022\u003EGRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014with 400 job losses, Dr Smith. That was projected just in 2009. Dr Smith ask over how many years. It does not matter, Dr Smith. Taking $54 million out of the budget of the Department of Conservation undermines the work. It is all very well for National members to come to this House with bills that look like they care about the conservation estate and that improve the penalties regime, but sitting behind that is a cut of $54 million from the Department of Conservation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EIn September last year they announced that they were cutting 96 members of staff at the Department of Conservation. That is staff from 12 conservancies right around the country. Members of this House will know as they travel around the country the impact of those cuts on those local conservancies. It is not like it was the great back-office cuts that we were told about. These are people in regional New Zealand who are charged with protecting our conservation estate whom this Government has cut. These people include the scientists. As Ruth Dyson said before, what the department needs is the ability to be able to provide the information for the evidence-based decisions that Dr Smith and others would tell us that they believe in. But it is those scientists who have lost their jobs under this Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EThe Government has systematically undermined the Department of Conservation, and what we are now left with is a situation where only 250 of 2,700 threatened species are actually under active management. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec2c52807603426d921cefe945a7e0d1\u0022\u003ELouise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: Remind me the relevancy to the bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ea0832b14034981ad4989ae7fbbe44c\u0022\u003EGRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Louise Upston asks how this is relevant. What is the point of a penalties regime that involves the conservation estate if the Government undermines the very protection of that estate, and of the protection of the flora and fauna that this Government says it cares about? It puts the penalties regime up, but the department that is charged with looking after it is consistently undermined by this Government. Now we have a department reliant on private donations and groups to fill in the gaps. It is great to see corporations getting behind things like kiwi recovery, but in the end, if the BNZ decides it has got other priorities, there is nothing left inside this department. We support this bill to the select committee, but we do so knowing that this Government has a record of undermining conservation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022 data-id=\u0022ada93f12d537490c9c6de22bbcbc68b5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ada93f12d537490c9c6de22bbcbc68b5\u0022\u003EEUGENIE SAGE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Deputy Speaker. I am pleased to take a short call on the Conservation (Natural Heritage Protection) Bill. I congratulate Jacqui Dean on bringing this bill to the House, because it increases and implements a much more consistent approach to penalties for offences that are committed under the Conservation Act, the National Parks Act, the Reserves Act, the Wildlife Act, and the Wild Animal Control Act. One of the areas where it does this obviously is by increasing the penalties for offences under this conservation legislation for the smuggling of native wildlife. That is why the Green Party will be supporting the bill, because the existing penalties have not increased for some time, and they are out of step with the prices that are being paid internationally for wildlife that is smuggled out of Aotearoa and then sold internationally. There has been a range of court cases where it is quite clear that the existing penalties of up to a $100,000 fine and 6 months in jail are not providing a deterrent. So we are pleased that the bill will increase the offending penalties where it has been done by individuals for commercial purposes, or by a company\u2014and that is a higher penalty than for offending by an individual. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EBut I am also somewhat bemused by this bill, because it is a member\u2019s bill, yet in September the Minister of Conservation said that the Government would be introducing the Wildlife (Smuggling Deterrence) Amendment Bill later this year, and the object of that bill was to increase the maximum penalties for smuggling wildlife such as tuatara, parrots, and geckos\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f4f784edf684fac91cb3ef785439e64\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Conspiracy\u2014there\u2019s something tricky going on here!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca23ce2066204de5a57aca43dbdc19e3\u0022\u003EEUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: So yes, Mr Bridges, what is going on here? Because the Minister, when she announced the intention to introduce that Government bill, said that the penalties would be increased to up to 5 years\u2019 imprisonment and/or a $300,000 fine. So I would be interested in the comments from the member Jacqui Dean in reply about what happens when the Government does introduce the bill that has been promised. How does this bill improve on what the Government and Cabinet had already agreed, and is it potentially duplicating that? Nevertheless, we welcome the bill and we will be voting for it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EAs other speakers on the Opposition benches have highlighted, this is a good bill, but the Government is not investing adequately in conservation. We have seen a $54 million cut to the Department of Conservation\u2019s budget, and in the annual report of the department released in September, it showed that there were 114 fewer front-line staff in 2011-12 than in 2009-10, and a total of 181 fewer permanent staff. That reduction in front-line staff gives the lie to the Government\u2019s promises and claims that its slashing of the public sector budgets is not reducing people on the front line. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EOf course, it is the people on the front line\u2014the Department of Conservation staff who are out maintaining tracks and huts, controlling wildings and willows, doing predator control, and providing advice to hunters, trampers, and international visitors\u2014who are the front line against smuggling, because it is often those staff and members of the public who are alert to suspicious activities. People go to visit the quite compliant sites and habitats where species like the jewelled gecko are found and then alert the wildlife enforcement group and warranted officers, who can step in and take action. So I pay on behalf of the Green Party enormous tribute to those front-line Department of Conservation staff, particularly in area offices, who are being threatened by their substantial second round of restructuring, which means that they are all going to have to apply for their jobs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EIt was a senior investigator in the wildlife enforcement group who described wildlife smugglers as \u201Cgreedy people without any consideration for animals\u201D. That is certainly true where these people are snatching species like the beautiful jewelled gecko from their habitats, stuffing them in small plastic containers, and taking them overseas. It is these lizard fauna, particularly distinctive species like the jewelled gecko, which have been targeted because of their bright green colouring and that very unusual diamond pattern. Of that species, there are only about 5,000 individuals left, and they now confined to small areas of Otago and Canterbury, particularly on the peninsulas. Habitat loss and predation have affected them, and poaching is a huge impact and has caused several of the populations to crash. So the Green Party supports this bill increasing the penalties for those individuals who are taking these geckos out of their habitat. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u002211f6246623f0437489ca4aafd4a7e58a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002211f6246623f0437489ca4aafd4a7e58a\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E I think we are all pretty familiar with the very unique range of flora and fauna that exists only in these islands of New Zealand, and that makes us particularly vulnerable to those from overseas who would like to steal either our tuatara, our geckos, or the wide range of bird species that exist only in New Zealand. We have seen some high-profile prosecutions against people from various parts of the world who have tried to profit out of those pretty ugly crimes, and it is appropriate that this Parliament is considering a bill to up both the fines and the criminal sanctions against those people involved in those crimes. I want to join with others and commend Jacqui Dean, a member of Parliament for one of the most spectacular parts of the country, with both South Canterbury and North Otago in that Waitaki area. I think her practical passion for conservation is what typifies this Government\u2019s blue-green approach of wanting to be pro jobs and pro the economy, and wanting to be a successful, innovative country, but at the same time wanting to ensure that we look after that which is precious. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EI want to respond to a couple of the challenges that have come from members opposite on this bill, the Conservation (Natural Heritage Protection) Bill, firstly, from Green MP Eugenie Sage. She questioned the authenticity of this bill on the basis that the Minister of Conservation, Kate Wilkinson, who is doing a great job, had said that this was an area that needed to be addressed. Somehow the Green MPs are concerned that a Government MP has taken the initiative and picked up on the work and the comments that have been made by Kate Wilkinson. Well, we are a team. Yes, we have Ministers doing some pretty good work in this space, but we also have strong and capable backbenchers who are complementing that work with this sort of bill. Equally so, we have had the tired, old rhetoric from a couple of Labour members saying \u201CHey, this is a great bill, but National\u2019s not spending nearly enough on conservation.\u201D Well, I say that is a bit tired. Do they not know that this Government faces huge economic challenges, and that there is no way that anybody could sensibly promote the ongoing increases in public spending? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EI was on the Finance and Expenditure Committee this morning, and this morning we had the Secretary to the Treasury and Audit New Zealand noting that the huge increase in expenditure\u2014a 50 percent increase in public expenditure\u2014on core departments in the period from 2002 to 2008 was totally unsustainable. It is absolutely true that whether it is the Department of Conservation, or right across the board, this Government has had to pull in Government expenses. That is why it is so unfair and uncharitable of members opposite to give the Minister of Conservation a hard time for pulling her weight and doing her share to get this country\u2019s books back in balance. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EThe challenge I have got for the next Labour member is this: if you really are serious about increasing the conservation budget, you need to say by how much and you need to say how you are going to fund it. These hollow words, where I have had spokespeople right across the Labour benches\u2014I do not care whether it is on broadcasting, heritage, conservation, education, health, or foreign affairs\u2014all say the Government is not spending enough. My simple challenge to members opposite, whether it be in conservation or any other area, is to show us the colour of your money, say it with conviction, and commit a future Labour Government to increase levels of spending, rather than these weasel words of \u201COh, you\u2019re not spending enough.\u201D, but then not being prepared to commit to how much you would spend. It is not good enough for Labour members not to say how they would fund their increases in expenditure. This bill from my colleague Jacqui Dean is part of this Government\u2019s sensible conservation agenda. She should be commended and this bill should be supported.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u00223cc1670f7d47442f9505fd4d175451b4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223cc1670f7d47442f9505fd4d175451b4\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I call the honourable member Charles Chauvel.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022 data-id=\u0022f5693b3b46da407a8c5db9af9933c5bf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f5693b3b46da407a8c5db9af9933c5bf\u0022\u003ECHARLES CHAUVEL (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Well, it might be pronounced a bit differently, but it is nice to have the call. To try to make a response to the challenge laid down by the last speaker, the Hon Dr Nick Smith, this is a bill, the Conservation (Natural Heritage Protection) Bill, that has rightly attracted support across the House. It is a sensible bill and I commend Jacqui Dean for her initiative in putting it forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003EThe question of whether it is an appropriate member\u2019s bill or whether it ought to be something that the Government advances as part of a technical review of penalties available in the conservation and related legislation, in order to make sure that those penalties work as part of a coherent regime, is another question. I have said before, as have other members, that the thing about members\u2019 nights is that they are special. They are there for members who are not part of the executive to be able to advance matters that they feel passionately about, that cannot otherwise be part of the parliamentary agenda. I am not belittling the bill by saying that it would be the sort of measure that we would support if it was part of a Statutes Amendment Bill, rather than taking up the time of a members\u2019 night. So I think that is the first point that I want to make. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003EThe second point that I want to make is a direct response to Dr Smith. I want to say this: Dr Smith, it is not about splashing money around, actually; it is about commitment. Everybody knows that you have a commitment to the environment. I have never heard anybody in this House question your deep belief that the New Zealand natural environment is one of our treasures. I have heard people speculate about the extent to which your colleagues share that belief, and I think that is fair speculation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003EI have also heard people say\u2014and I think this is right\u2014that we should look at the record. I am very proud of this party\u2019s record on environmental and conservation matters. The fourth Labour Government, under Geoffrey Palmer, marked our first Minister for the Environment, who held a statutory warrant in that post, which was revolutionary in this regard. Yes, the Environment Act 1986 was Sir Geoffrey\u2019s brainchild, as was the Conservation Act 1987. All the groundwork that was done to ensure that the Resource Management Act could be enacted was done under his leadership. And New Zealand\u2019s first steps to respond to the challenge of climate change were taken under that administration, as well. That is an extremely proud record that every member on this side of the House wants to associate themselves with. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003ETechnical reforms of this nature that bring penalty regimes into line with one another are all well and good, and of course we are going to support them. As I say, I am a little concerned that the Government is taking up the time of the House on a members\u2019 night. We could be spending time on non-Government members\u2019 passionately held beliefs that they seek to advance via the member\u2019s bill process, but never mind. Every member has the privilege that Ms Dean is exercising tonight, and she has chosen to exercise it in this way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003EBut what has to be said, what has to be repeated, is what has been said by a number of Labour members and by Eugenie Sage, and that is this: if you want to talk about record, Dr Smith, then this Government\u2019s record on conservation and the environment is poor. It is extremely poor. If we look at the cuts in spending in the Department of Conservation right through to the decision to abandon the Kyoto Protocol second commitment period so that there are no binding commitments to reduce emissions, and at all the public policy failures to bring about a change in our economy and in our society so that we really do start to act sustainably and renewably\u2014that is the tragedy of this Government. That is the tragedy that we see in this minor measures bill, which is praiseworthy and will be sent to a select committee, and no doubt will pass through all its stages, but it is tinkering. It is tinkering around the margins of the issues that matter. As I say, if we want to talk about records and want to take up the challenge laid down by Dr Smith in the earlier contribution, that is the sad reality of life under National.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022 data-id=\u002245df0a0d31204d1eb3dd6f0cf62d0086\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002245df0a0d31204d1eb3dd6f0cf62d0086\u0022\u003EANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I take a call on behalf of New Zealand First on the bill brought before the House by the member Jacqui Dean, the Conservation (Natural Heritage) Protection Bill. Can I congratulate her on having two bills in the House on the one day. Should she pull another bill from the ballot today, I think she should be shouting us all, because it is exceptional to have two bills in the House in one day. We are all heading off to Christchurch in the morning\u2014that is, the Local Government and Environment Committee, including Jacqui Dean as a member\u2014and she might be shouting coffee in the morning, at the Wigram airbase, I hope. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EBut back to the bill. We in New Zealand First certainly do also support this bill. It is high time that the penalties were increased for those who offend in terms of our flora and fauna, our wildlife and nature, and that the penalties are made to such a significant level that, hopefully, it might deter some of the illegal activities that have been going on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EIt is pleasing to see, in section 44, in clause 5, that the penalties will increase for individuals \u201Cto imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years and to a fine not exceeding $100,000, and, where the offence is a continuing one, to a further fine not exceeding $10,000 for every day on which the offence had continued;\u201D. Where the offence was committed by an individual for commercial purposes the penalty is \u201Cimprisonment for term not exceeding 3 years and to fine not exceeding $200,000, and, when the offence is a continuing one, to a further fine not exceeding $20,000 for every day on which the offence has continued;\u201D. Where the offence was committed by a corporation the penalty is \u201Ca fine not exceeding $200,000 and, where the offence is a continuing one, to a further fine not exceeding $20,000 for every day on which the offence has continued.\u201D It is also pleasing to see in this bill that a sentence of community work can be imposed where someone has erred and where perhaps a financial fine is not appropriate. Again, we in New Zealand First support that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EWe believe that the amendments in this bill to the Conservation Act 1987, the National Parks Act 1980, the Reserves Act 1977, the Wildlife Act 1953, and the Wild Animal Control Act 1977 are necessary to bring that in to line. However, there is a downside to all this, and although we are applauding the move to increase these penalties, we concur with some of the other members in this House that at times we are very lax with our conservation. As the conservation spokesman for New Zealand First I also have concerns, and our party has concerns, at aspects of conservation that are being let down in this country. We are so, so dependent on our natural environment for our tourism and for the image of New Zealand as \u201C100% Pure New Zealand\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EOur conservation estate is extremely important, and it flows on into our agriculture, it flows on into our horticulture, and it flows on into other farming aspects in this country. So if we do not have a healthy natural environment, our commercial agricultural and horticultural environment can be affected as well. So it is very important that the two go hand in hand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003ELikewise, this week I was somewhat disappointed when it was marked that the M\u0101ui\u2019s dolphin, which are endangered, are nearing extinction, with only 55 M\u0101ui\u2019s dolphin left, mainly off the North Island coast. I thought that perhaps the Government would also pick up that cudgel, as it has picked up this one, and move more swiftly on the issue of the M\u0101ui\u2019s dolphin. I was one of the four MPs who went along to receive a print from artist Sheyne Tuffery, presented by Greenpeace. It was one of 55 prints to mark the 55 remaining M\u0101ui\u2019s dolphin that are in existence. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EIt was a great shame that only four MPs were there, all from Labour, the Greens, and New Zealand First, and that there was no representation at all from National. I thought that was a shame. Regardless of your politics and regardless of where you are, these 55 M\u0101ui\u2019s dolphin cannot speak up for themselves, they cannot defend themselves, and they cannot protect themselves, and it would have been nice on this occasion for some Government members to at least show some sympathy for the whole thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228f7614279f65487a8ee69d4872c97b46\u0022\u003EJacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t think we were invited.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227fac61b857e7491b8205e269e95a09d6\u0022\u003EANDREW WILLIAMS\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, you were invited. Every MP was invited\u2014every MP was invited. So it would have been nice, because I think it is important, and I think we would all have a huge conscience to bear in years to come if we found that the M\u0101ui\u2019s dolphin was indeed wiped out and that every one of us in this House, every single 121 of us in this House, had not done more to try to protect it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EBut, anyway, in closing, this particular bill is a good move. We support the increase in penalties. New Zealand First always supports things of this nature where they are good policy, practical policy, and will have a result. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u00225bf14dfeb15e4767bf10cea03744ab5a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225bf14dfeb15e4767bf10cea03744ab5a\u0022\u003EPAUL GOLDSMITH (National):\u003C/span\u003E It was interesting to have the reference from the previous speaker, Andrew Williams, about the National members not turning up. I certainly read about that in the Dominion Post this morning. It was saying that the National members had not responded to the invitation to be given something on the M\u0101ui\u2019s dolphin. I went and dug around, and I found the letter, and there was no such invitation to me\u2014that is for sure. There was a letter saying something was happening, but there was certainly no invitation. So you sometimes wonder with some of the messages coming from Greenpeace, whether they are quite accurate or not. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EBut I just wanted to commend my colleague Jacqui Dean for this bill, the Conservation (Natural Heritage Protection) Bill, her second bill this evening\u2014a very hard-working, and implacably hard-working, member of Parliament is Jacqui Dean. It is a timely bill, because we all know New Zealand is unique in the world as the last significant uninhabited land mass in the world to be discovered by humans only a few hundred years ago. I have seen trees growing today that were around before humans arrived in these islands. I have seen trees on which moas have grazed, which are still living now, that were around before humans reached these islands. As a result of that, we were a wonderful, wonderful place in the world with all sorts of species that were unique and had evolved over a long period of time when New Zealand was splendidly isolated from the rest of the world and from humanity. All that changed a few hundred years ago when M\u0101ori arrived first and there was a wave of extinctions, and that has continued in recent years\u2014and that is only a split second, of course, in geological time. We are in a time of rapid change, so it is important that we preserve what is precious. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThis bill, which raises some of the maximum penalties in this area around precious species, is very useful. I have never met a spotted or jewelled gecko. I do not understand the logic of people who would seek to put these down their underpants, but from what I can understand, this thing goes on. This bill, if it helps nip it in the bud, I think will be very useful not just in New Zealand but to the global effort against smuggling of geckos and those sorts of things. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ENew Zealand makes a massive effort in conservation. It is often forgotten that about 33 percent of the land mass of New Zealand is in the conservation estate. That is not a mistake\u201433 percent. One third of the land mass of New Zealand is in the conservation estate. We spend colossal sums on conservation\u2014$445 million in Vote Conservation this year\u2014and I am astounded to hear from the other side of the House tales of great woe and calamity that somehow not enough resources have been put into this area. I mean, let us just cast our minds back only 10 years ago, when it was only $226 million that was being spent on conservation. So we have doubled the amount spent in the last 10 years, and that, of course, is not enough. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EIt is quite right, things have had to be pulled back a little bit in the last few years, but, if you take the longer stretch, there is a very substantial and increased investment in conservation. It all just goes to show, when you hear the likes of Mr Chauvel talking about the fact that we need to just keep pouring the money in, how this country got itself into such a pretty pass as we had in 2008, when this Government inherited a nation pregnant with years of financial deficits coming down the line, because the previous Government just did not have control over its spending. I get frustrated when hearing this great moral high ground taken from the other side of the House, as if those members care more about the environment than we do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EWhat we are saying here is that every Government has to make that balance between giving New Zealanders the benefit of a well-run economy that can produce the living standards that all families want and aspire to and also the very substantial contribution that continues to be made in conservation. I am very proud of this Government\u2019s record, and I commend Jacqui Bill for this conservation bill, which will\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc3a6d3008434650bd9cb5008aa406b3\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Jacqui Bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221205206e3acc466191e3c3c94f870abb\u0022\u003EPAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Jacqui Dean, I believe. I commend Jacqui Dean for her great effort with this bill. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022 data-id=\u0022e2820527bd034bb1bc490a2157d7fcd3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e2820527bd034bb1bc490a2157d7fcd3\u0022\u003ESTEFFAN BROWNING (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I will take just a short call on the Conservation (Natural Heritage Protection) Bill, in the name of Jacqui Dean. I think it is a fantastic bill, to see this increase in penalties around the stealing and the smuggling of native wildlife and plants. It has got particular meaning for me because, unlike Mr Goldsmith, who spoke previously, I am familiar with the jewelled gecko. I remember watching them\u2014but not in my underpants\u2014and seeing them in their natural habitat, at that point in the Nelson Lakes. We are not sure that they even exist in any numbers in the Nelson Lakes now, because the numbers have gone back so much. It is absolutely critical that we find measures to conserve them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EI had a strong interest in lizards, actually, when I was a kid, and they would still probably be my favourite animal. I remember going out to the Wairau Bar, out from Blenheim, and the coastline and other areas, looking for lizards and looking for katip\u014D spiders and the like. I am so aware of the drop in their numbers when I go to show, in turn, my children or my partner what is actually out there. Out there now you could not find a katip\u014D spider. You may still find some lizards, but they are not as prolific as they once were. It is absolutely critical that we use measures such as this bill and the services of the Department of Conservation to make sure that we preserve our natural heritage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EI also lived in the outer Marlborough Sounds and looked out at Stephens Island, which has probably the greatest population of tuatara in the world. The lighthouse would wink at our place, 300 metres up the side of Aorere, Mount Stokes, where we also had k\u0101k\u0101riki\u2014another target of those smugglers up there\u2014a fantastic, beautiful little parrot, which not enough New Zealanders get to see. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EWhat is also very concerning\u2014and other members of the House have mentioned it tonight\u2014is the fact that earlier we had Nick Smith using the economic woes as an excuse, in my words, to whack the Department of Conservation around the ear. The real economic value of not losing species is not being valued here. It is not being valued by the Government as it depletes the department\u2019s resources more and more, year after year. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EWhat does it look like when we lose M\u0101ui\u2019s dolphins? What does it look like when we have less and less of our natural fauna? The people internationally who are interested in the different conventions are measuring them, and are seeing more and more species coming into different threatened and vulnerable categories. That is not good for our brand. It is not good for our selling of anything that comes out of New Zealand. It is not good for our tourism. The real value in the Department of Conservation is much higher than this Government seems to give it. We need a fresh and new green vision that actually values our natural heritage for not only its intrinsic values but also its economic value. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EI remember some of my previous activities at meetings of NGOs. Every quarter, or thereabouts, we would have a meeting at the Department of Conservation in Manners Street. Different NGOs and interest groups would meet with the department. I can remember the staff there presenting the latest change in management approach\u2014this new commercial management approach. Man, they were stoic. They were fantastic people, but they were standing there, presenting that as though it was the best thing since sliced bread, and some of them were going to lose their jobs. Department of Conservation staff are dedicated people wanting to make a difference and to manage our natural heritage. We need to really support them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EWith the jobs gone and the drop in core work and funding, the Government is expecting the community to pick up the slack. The community was already working pretty much to capacity as it was, so it means only that we are going to have further losses to our natural heritage. Area offices are being totally done over, effectively, and staff are being forced into decisions around their close friends and colleagues\u2014basically, having to choose which ones of their friends are going. I am looking forward to when a Government actually values the Department of Conservation in a better way, and supports things like this bill. This bill is a good move, but the Government also needs to support the department to do its job. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u0022e91c749133364aa68182f77142455ddb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e91c749133364aa68182f77142455ddb\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN (National\u2014Waitaki):\u003C/span\u003E You know, it is easy enough, I guess, to stand in this House and lament budget cuts to the Department of Conservation and completely ignore the realities of the fiscal restraints that this Government is operating under. And it is easy to sit up in Opposition and say that we should be spending more money. Well, that is what they are doing in Greece. That is what they are doing in the European Union. This Government takes our responsibilities a little more seriously than that. I also want to pick up on the comment of the previous speaker, Steffan Browning, that the real economic value of not losing species is not realised by this Government. Well, actually, it is, because I am bringing this bill, the Conservation (Natural Heritage Protection) Bill, to the House, and this bill well and truly values our special creatures in New Zealand. It recognises absolutely the economic value that is brought to New Zealand, as well as all the other intrinsic values, by these special creatures. And it is this party, it is this Minister of Conservation, and it is me, with this member\u2019s bill, who are putting effect to those words. The words from across the House are all very well, they are all very fine, but it is this party, and I am the member of that party who is putting up this Conservation (Natural Heritage Protection) Bill for the consideration of Parliament and the Local Government and Environment Committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EYou know, bringing consistency into the legislation around our natural heritage, if nothing else, will send the clearest message to those who seek to profit from our most precious creatures. Interestingly, several members have said that they would not go near a jewelled gecko if they fell over one, and some people love them to death. They are little creatures, and if they sit still enough they sit on your hand. They really are the most beautiful little things. They are emerald green with yellow and white diamond markings\u2014and each marking is unique, so that when they are photographed they can be traced if they have been smuggled. On the Otago Peninsula some populations of those jewelled gecko have been smuggled, recovered at the border, and returned to that habitat, but, sadly, that same smuggler has returned the next season and smuggled them again. How do we know that? Because we can identify their markings when they turn up in Europe at the large trade fairs for animals. Quite a bit is known about the smuggling of jewelled geckos, which are pretty remarkable creatures. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003ESo the message through this bill\u2014the clearest message for those who profit from our most precious creatures\u2014is that we are on to you. And the message to the Department of Conservation and to those personnel in the Customs Service and the Ministry for Primary Industries who hold the line against this smuggling is that we back you. We value the work of the Wildlife Enforcement Group. We will give you the teeth when you, through your investigation, through your\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000673\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227bee254f37144e2dac4e826db2022c19\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000674\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228decf4d007504b93b6aba0b9064667ca\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, I do beg your pardon, Mr Assistant Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000675\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EWe will give them the teeth, when they, through their investigation, their observation, their connections, their intuition, and their sheer hard graft apprehend the lowlifes who seek to smuggle our precious creatures and ship them off to offshore markets. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003ETo those Swiss, German, and Russian smugglers who come to New Zealand posing as tourists, well, just do not bother. We not only have the personnel watching you but also when our Department of Conservation, Customs Service, and Ministry for Primary Industries personnel catch you it just will not be worth it. It would not be days in jail\u2014no, under this bill, should it be enacted by this Parliament, it will be up to 3 years. The penalties will be increased for a number of other offences where wildlife has been endangered or protected, where natural habitats have been damaged. So the penalty, for example, for releasing a noxious animal in a national park will increase, as will milling a stand of trees, or converting a portion of national park into pasture. So there are a number of aspects to this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EI want to thank members for the debate tonight. I think it has been extremely interesting. I look forward to the process that the Local Government and Environment Committee will go through. I want to thank members for their support of this bill. I would be surprised, given that we are all New Zealanders, if it were otherwise. Finally, I am very proud to be a member of National\u2019s blue-green team, and proud to bring this Conservation (Natural Heritage Protection) Bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EBill read a first time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000679\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EBill referred to the Local Government and Environment Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000680\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f60270da4c544e3db3a2662a8c2265f9\u0022\u003ECriminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022349aa0dae6ad48f18bcde7c0c9e515ed\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022 data-id=\u0022ad83610e025d4986b5b48f2b7eaeda1c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ad83610e025d4986b5b48f2b7eaeda1c\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa e te Whare. I move, That the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. I nominate the Commerce Committee to consider this bill, in time. Put simply, this bill makes casinos subject to the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009. That Act established a civil forfeiture regime where a person is in receipt of any profits derived from any crime. That person need not be responsible for, a party to, or convicted of that crime or any other crime to be subject to the forfeiture regime. That is, it applies regardless of the person\u2019s guilt. Blame is not an issue under the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act, only whether or not a person has received goods that were acquired through significant criminal activity. This applies to all legal persons, all ordinary persons\u2014humans\u2014in this country, all ordinary New Zealanders, but casinos are not required under any legislation to return, either to the State or to the victim of a crime, any profits that they make from the gambling of stolen funds. Casinos are not subject to this law as ordinary New Zealanders are. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003ESometimes those kinds of crimes in casinos are very high-profile. They involve millions and millions of dollars. Often it is money-laundering. Most often, though, the gambled money has been stolen from small businesses, from medium-sized New Zealand businesses, from community organisations, from friends, and from family. These businesses, organisations, and individuals suffer serious financial impacts, often bankruptcy, while the casinos get to keep the profits from the gambling of that stolen money. My bill will see an end to the keeping of that stolen money. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EWe know that gambling causes harm. Since the horse bolted and casinos were allowed to be established in the 1990s, Parliament has been grappling with all the different ways to stop them from causing more harm. In 2003 MPs passed the Gambling Act. The view then was that gambling was a profoundly bad thing, especially for the most vulnerable of people, and that casinos were seen as members of an industry that needed stringent laws to control, regulate, and contain them, and to stop them from causing more harm to people. The Gambling Act put a lid on the industry, preventing more casinos from opening, and banning any mechanism that allowed existing casinos to offer more opportunities to gamble. However, we know from recent wheeling and dealing that the intentions of this Act have been deliberately subverted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EMy bill was developed in response to the dirty deal that the Prime Minister, John Key, and Minister Steven Joyce are doing to secure the \u201CSkycity - John Key Casino Convention Centre\u201D in Auckland. Skycity has done everything it can\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241f348269abe4f17b2e719eb88cc9629\u0022\u003ECharles Chauvel\u003C/span\u003E: The John Key memorial.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241c868ec96f54f6fb0d3f6e1e50c9ab8\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI\u003C/span\u003E: The \u201CJohn Key Memorial Convention Centre\u201D. That is right. Skycity has done everything it can to get around the Gambling Act in order to expand its operations. It has taken case after case to the courts, and relentlessly pursued the Gambling Commission in an effort to squeeze more opportunities to evade the Act. When legal avenues did not work, Skycity bosses wined and dined MPs and their staff, lobbied Government relentlessly, and made donations to politicians and to political parties, and eventually, it appears, that has paid off. John Key knew that the Ministry of Economic Development was investigating the feasibility of a convention centre in Auckland, so he offered Skycity a deal. He would allow it up to a third more pokie machines and other harmful gambling concessions if it built the convention centre in Auckland. This would involve changing the Gambling Act, but, of course, he is the Prime Minister, and, in the infamous words of a previous National Party Prime Minister, he would have said to himself, I am sure, that \u201Cthere is a little room downstairs in which we fix problems like that.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EJohn Key has argued that he made the deal with Skycity because it is a good one, and because it will not cost the New Zealand public to build the convention centre. But, of course, he is wrong. Gambling-related harm costs the New Zealand public millions of dollars a year in bankruptcies, arrests, incarcerations, unemployment, divorce, poor physical and mental health, loss of educational opportunities, and suicide.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022460310e0602a47f2a4d90d404f05b12f\u0022\u003EDenis O\u2019Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: And no benefit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287daab7d73a44261b9b0f20c359fb939\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI\u003C/span\u003E: No benefit. Increases in gambling equal increases in costs, and my bill will help to create accountability for, and reduce, some of those costs. John Key also argued that the convention centre would create a heap of jobs, but he was wrong about that too. He so massively inflated the job numbers that the author of the feasibility report came out in the media to correct him. He inflated the numbers by almost double\u2014John Key inflated the job numbers by almost double, misleading the public and, in my view, misleading this Parliament. Making up job numbers to sell the casino convention centre deal to the public is extremely desperate. So is standing up in Parliament waving a study that actually shows pokie machines are more likely to cause problem gambling than the community-based ones, but telling MPs that it is the reverse\u2014John Key did that as well. This is blatant hypocrisy. It has followed hard on the heels of Skycity chief executive officer, Nigel Morrison, trying to argue that Lotto was much worse than casinos, again in an attempt to distort the figures in order to sell this dirty deal to New Zealanders. The deal was so questionable that the Auditor-General agreed to investigate it. That investigation is ongoing, investigating the process for seeking and assessing proposals on the deal, the adequacy of the assessment of the likely costs and benefits, and any other matters that the Auditor-General thinks is necessary. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EWhat has been missing in the discussions around this deal is that the change in law subverts the fundamental intent of the Gambling Act. My bill will help bring some integrity back to this legislation. This bill amends the definition in the principal Act of the term \u201C \u2018unlawfully benefited from significant criminal activity\u2019 to specifically refer to casinos that knowingly, having regard to best international practice in detecting problem gambling and criminal activity, derive a benefit from significant criminal activity.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EWe know that casinos attract significant criminal activity. The Financial Transactions Reporting Act 1996 and the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009 describe casinos as specific typologies of the risk of crime. More provisions of the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009 come into force in 2013, and those provisions place enhanced obligations on casinos to monitor and report suspicious activity, but they do not require casinos to return to those from whom the money was stolen the profits they make from illegal activity and the gambling of stolen funds. There is no justification as to why ordinary New Zealanders should be required to forfeit the profits from criminal activity when casinos, which are internationally recognised as drivers of crime and the receivers of stolen property, are not also subject to the law. It is just about making them subject to the same law that everybody else is, and finding a way to help restore just a tiny bit of the loss that New Zealanders suffer: New Zealand businesses, community organisations, charities\u2014and we know that much of the money that is stolen from charities is gambled in casinos\u2014families, and friends. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000693\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EThis bill is not about just the Skycity dirty deal. This is about making sure that casinos have a stronger level of regulation and pay back those families, those New Zealanders, who pay the cost of the operations. It is a fair bill. It places a reasonable obligation on casinos, and it helps to reduce the harm that is caused by gambling and gambling addition. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022 data-id=\u002232db112b02e14f51acc138c597c31e0e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002232db112b02e14f51acc138c597c31e0e\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG (National\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E What an outrageous speech! For the member Metiria Turei to bring out some of those claims and comments is absolutely outrageous. We understand in this Parliament that nobody supports harm that comes from gambling. We understand these things, but I wonder where that member\u2019s research comes from\u2014research that says that casinos per se are major drivers of crime. That is what I say is outrageous. Some of those quotes and comments were outlandish.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222125a808a5e44ebf9751dca49c0cb4ef\u0022\u003EDenis O\u2019Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: What planet do you live on?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a82970c65ef41428935b23ecbd25f71\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG\u003C/span\u003E: I live on a planet of reality, sir, and we on this side of the House are not supporting this bill, the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill, for some very good reasons. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EWe on this side of the House are committed to building a safer New Zealand. I think that New Zealanders out there in our country know that. We have seen crime and criminal activity reduce in this country because of the legislation we have put through this House. We have seen public confidence in our law-keeping forces rise and increase, when in past years under past administrations that confidence decreased. I think New Zealanders know that the National-led Government is working hard to build a safer New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EIn fact, this bill that is being proposed is a bill that is a late starter in a race that has already been run and is over. The Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009 already puts enhanced obligations on casinos to detect and deter money-laundering, and already has enforcement mechanisms, and that legislation comes into force in July 2013\u2014it comes into force in July 2013. We also know that the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 already contains a civil forfeiture regime, and a profit forfeiture order may be made by a court if it is satisfied that a person has knowingly derived benefit from significant criminal activity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003ESo much of this member\u2019s bill is nefarious\u2014for example, the words \u201Cshould have known\u201D, and other wordings in the bill such as \u201Cderived or likely to be derived\u201D. How is one to define \u201Cshould have known\u201D, and how is it to be defined that it is \u201Clikely to be derived\u201D? So what we have here is, I think, very poor drafting in a bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5228d40fedf4ad99dd1edba8b7aa791\u0022\u003EDenis O\u2019Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s very good drafting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000701\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d99dff7900de4d8db0003200642f24b4\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG\u003C/span\u003E: There is no doubt some good intent, but its application and its working-out is fraught with great difficulty. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EThere are a number of good reasons why we do not support this bill. We understand that money-laundering involves transforming money from crime, and that it is called dirty money. If we are talking about anything that is dirty, that is where it comes from\u2014it is money from crime. It has the appearance of coming from a legitimate source and it makes its criminal origin difficult to trace. It is therefore deemed as clean money\u2014so that is where the laundering component, or understanding, comes from. We understand that effective money-laundering enables criminals to remove themselves from their criminal activities and makes it harder to prosecute them and confiscate their proceeds. We understand these difficulties. This is what Governments over the years have always grappled with, and we believe that we have instituted a law, which is going to take effect shortly, that is going to work very, very strongly to stop that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EThis bill would amend the principal Act to apply the profit forfeiture regime to casinos that benefit from significant criminal activity and either knew that or should have known that. How does one determine \u201Cshould have known\u201D? How do you determine that they should have known that the benefit is derived or likely to be derived from criminal activity? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EKey issues the bill tries to address are returning proceeds to people from whom they were acquired or stolen. I understand that there is good intent in wanting to see that happen, but I would say that a majority of people who have an item stolen, whether it be in cash or in property, would have that item insured, and most people would receive some benefit from an insurance policy. Yet they are going to receive, under this bill, the cash return, or the value return, if somehow the proceeds of those funds are deemed to be received by a casino. I am not quite sure how that would happen in fact. There are not many criminals out there who carry a receipt book and actually write down exactly where and when and how they have been able to arrive at their proceeds-of-crime amount, whether it is $1,000, $10,000, or $20,000, or whatever. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003ESo somebody might take a stash of cash, a handful of money, into a casino and gamble it. And perhaps by international best practice, by observation and technology and technique, somebody or a system could discern that this person has peculiar activities that could profile them as a person who ought not to have such a large amount of money, or as someone who has come there time and again with a large amount of money, and could start to identify that person as a person who is suspect. How would you then determine that that person may have received that money through an act of crime? We are starting to delve into the area of guessing, double-guessing, and not being sure about these things, and I think that our laws need to be better constructed and stronger in regard to these issues. In terms of the assets recovered under the Act\u2019s civil forfeiture regime, they are not returned to those persons from whom they have been stolen or acquired; they are returned to the Crown. That is simple. That is not complicated, and there are other mechanisms by which a person who has suffered loss can recover that loss. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EAlso, under the bill there are lowered thresholds of liability for casinos. There is no reason why a casino that knowingly profits from significant criminal activity cannot be the subject of a profit forfeiture order under the Act currently. The bill effectively imposes a lower threshold of liability on casinos by the statement \u201Cwho should have known\u201D, compared with other persons who knowingly derived a benefit. I think that this is an area that I feel very uncomfortable about, and I think that many people in this House would feel uncomfortable about it as well. There is no clear evidence that casinos currently are not taking reasonable care to detect problem gambling and criminal activity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003ESo this bill does not appear to achieve its aims of encouraging best practice or returning proceeds of crime to those from whom the proceeds were acquired or stolen. I believe that the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009 places enhanced obligations on casinos to detect and deter money-laundering, and contains enforcement mechanisms that will achieve much of what this bill intends. As I said earlier, this bill is a late starter in a race that has already run and is over. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022 data-id=\u00226ae72a543e4c47c59472a3f58b69d754\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226ae72a543e4c47c59472a3f58b69d754\u0022\u003ECHARLES CHAUVEL (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I would like to begin by commending the member who has sponsored this legislation, Metiria Turei. I think it is timely that the Parliament should look at the issues that are raised by the bill, the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill. As we heard from her careful introductory speech, the bill would amend section 7 of the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009, which defines whether or not an entity has unlawfully benefited from significant criminal activity. What her amendment would do is add one subclause to that definition. It would clarify that the principal Act does apply to a casino, and that a casino is, for the purpose of the definition in the legislation, \u201Ctaken to have knowingly derived a benefit from significant criminal activity if it knew or should have known, having regard to best international practice in the detection of problem gambling and criminal activity, that the benefit is derived or likely to be derived from the proceeds of significant criminal activity.\u201D The previous speaker, Jonathan Young, said: \u201CWell, what is this concept of \u2018should have known\u2019? How can a casino be put in a position that it ought to have known that there was something dodgy about the money that it was receiving?\u201D Well, the reality is that this concept of \u201Cought to have known\u201D is one that is very well known to the law, and the criminal law in particular. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003EWhere an entity is put into a position of great privilege, as casinos have been in our society, by legislation, then a corollary of that great privilege is that we as a Parliament should watch them closely, and, if we are concerned that they might be causing social harm, or if we are concerned that they might be assisting the laundering of money in any way, then we ought to take that issue very, very seriously. That is really the nub of the reason why my Labour colleagues and I will be supporting this legislation to go to the Commerce Committee, and why I hope that National members and others will do so. If we do not, frankly, then the suspicion will arise, rightly or wrongly, that the casino and the gambling industries are exerting undue influence over us, and that is not\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b85373647244492abb2e47296c148d3\u0022\u003EHon Anne Tolley\u003C/span\u003E: Oh!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002250de5b0877ec40d3a865f77f10aa1950\u0022\u003ECHARLES CHAUVEL\u003C/span\u003E: Well, there goes the Minister of Police, who starved the police of enforcement resources during her tenure, yet we had her colleague Mr Young tell us just before that all was well, that the police had enough resource to do their job, and that enforcement in respect of casinos and otherwise was all fine. If all that was true, then there would be no harm in sending this bill to a select committee to hear advice, to hear submissions from the public, and to consider whether or not it was a merited measure, or whether the previous speaker is right and there are existing provisions in the law that deal with this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002259e9efe2-6dea-4eeb-869a-ef5b3e48a5b5\u0022\u003EThat is what the purpose of members\u2019 day should be. Members do not have the access that the executive has to expert advice, to public servants, and to all the panoply of expertise that Ministers can draw on. We have to rely on our own resources in order to put forward measures that we think are sensible. There is no doubt that there is great concern in the community about the way in which casino gambling is operating, and, in particular, the interface with organised crime and the potential to launder money through organisations such as casinos. In light of that overwhelming public concern, it behoves us not to act simply as the lapdogs of the industry but to ask ourselves what is the responsible thing to do in this situation. It is absolutely clear to me and to my colleagues, as responsible, independent legislators who have a concern about ensuring, both for the sake of the public and for the industry, for that matter, that everything is seen to be conducted with probity and above board, that Metiria Turei\u2019s bill should go to a select committee, be considered by members of Parliament in a deliberative fashion, and that they should hear advice from experts, and hear submissions from the public. If the National Party and its allies deny that opportunity to this Parliament, then, simply, the result will be that members\u2019 day is brought further into disrepute.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022 data-id=\u0022c1275991361f435e84c076d386de1890\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c1275991361f435e84c076d386de1890\u0022\u003EPeseta SAM LOTU-IIGA (National\u2014Maungakiekie):\u003C/span\u003E Malo le soifua. I rise to take a call on this bill, the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill. May I start off by saying that we on this side of the House do not support this bill. The main reason we do not support this bill is that it is, again, a sad reminder that the Opposition would rather create new problems by advancing needless legislation than fix a problem with our existing legislation. The purpose of the bill, as has already been outlined by the mover of the bill, Metiria Turei, is to encourage casinos to implement best practice in systems to detect and prohibit problem gamblers and money-launderers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EBut what are the problems with the bill? I am going to support my colleague Mr Young and say that it does not appear to achieve its aims of encouraging this. There is no reason why, currently, a casino that knowingly profits from significant criminal activity cannot be the subject of a profit forfeiture order under the current legislation. The bill effectively imposes a lower threshold of liability on casinos that should have known, compared with other persons who knowingly commit these acts. That is imposing the lower test of constructive knowledge, as my learned colleague across the Chamber said, as opposed to that more rigorous test of actual knowledge. I do not, like my colleague, agree with that. There is no clear evidence that casinos currently are not taking reasonable care to detect problem gambling and criminal activity. Certainly, Miss Turei has not presented any evidence tonight. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003ESo you might want to ask what is in place currently to address this issue\u2014you might want to. Currently, as my colleague stated, the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009 already puts in place obligations on casinos to detect and deter money-laundering. It also has enforcement mechanisms that will achieve much of what this bill is trying to do. The Act will come into force in 2013, as my colleague said, and under the Act reporting entities, including casinos, must put in place a programme that consists of risk-based systems, processes, and controls to detect and deter money-laundering. For example, casinos must assess their money-laundering risks, and implement anti - money-laundering programmes that are proportionate to that risk assessment. Given the nature, the scale, and the complexities associated with casinos, obviously the expectations on them will be large. They also must undertake more robust customer due diligence measures, monitor large or unusual transactions, and keep a record of transactions that are larger than $6,000. They must also, and the Minister here will be happy with this, report suspicious transactions to the police. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EThat Act contains enforcement mechanisms that are more targeted and more effective than the proposed amendment. These include, of course, the provision that an entity that fails to comply with the Act\u2019s requirements commits a civil liability act, and a supervisor may issue a formal warning or accept an enforceable undertaking. A court may enforce that undertaking, issue an injunction, or order an entity to pay a pecuniary penalty to the Crown of up to $2 million, on the civil standard of proof. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EMr Chauvel might ask why not send the bill to a select committee. I say to Mr Chauvel that if you read the legislation, read the Act, against this bill, you will realise that this bill is superfluous.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002279372265f8734e08af11f249a6946a25\u0022\u003EDenis O\u2019Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: No, it\u2019s not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278428943d4f2498799e580a064c240de\u0022\u003EPeseta SAM LOTU-IIGA\u003C/span\u003E: It is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EThe Act also has checks in place to ensure that it is working as it should do. Implementation of the regime will provide evidence of whether casinos are taking reasonable steps to detect money-laundering and clarify whether any amendments are required. Under casino licensing conditions, of course, we know that they specify that the Gambling Commission is required to review each casino\u2019s Host Responsibility programmes every 2 years. They can also look at whether a casino\u2019s policy is identifying problem gamblers. This may include describing a range of indicators for identifying potential problem gamblers, such as intensity and frequency of play, and frequency of ATM visits. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EThis is a poorly constructed bill that is simply superfluous. We on this side of the House oppose it. We believe in quality legislation for the people, families, and communities of our country. I oppose this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022 data-id=\u0022635c4ad8ed2b46cc92a5a59a0d4d41a7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022635c4ad8ed2b46cc92a5a59a0d4d41a7\u0022\u003EDENIS O\u2019ROURKE (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I thought that Jonathan Young\u2019s speech was utterly disgraceful. It was the epitome of National\u2019s head in the sand approach to money-laundering in respect of casinos, and it shows National\u2019s pro-casinos approach\u2014you can bet on that. This bill, the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill, has a very long title but a very simple purpose: to ensure that the proceeds of crime spent in and laundered through casinos are returned to those from whom the proceeds were originally obtained. That is what the principal Act, the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act, was intended to do, but does not clearly require. The purpose of the principal Act, in section 3(1), is: \u201CThe primary purpose of this Act is to establish a regime for the forfeiture of property\u2014(a) that has been derived directly or indirectly from significant criminal activity; or (b) that represents the value of a person\u2019s unlawfully derived income.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003ESo New Zealand First supports the bill to make the obligation on casinos to return the money obtained in these ways absolutely certain. It does this by amending section 7, which says: \u201CIn this Act, unless the context otherwise requires, a person has unlawfully benefited from significant criminal activity if the person has knowingly, directly or indirectly, derived a benefit from significant criminal activity (whether or not that person undertook or was involved in the significant criminal activity).\u201D The relevant part of the section, for the purposes of this debate, is the word \u201Cknowingly\u201D. This means that a prosecutor would need to prove specific knowledge that a benefit has been derived, directly or indirectly, from significant criminal activity, and that is the problem with the current legislation, which the members opposite do not seem to understand. It would be difficult to do in the case of casinos, which can too easily claim no knowledge when a gambler uses stolen money in the casino, or when the gambler sets out on a mission to launder money obtained illegally by gambling in the casino. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003ECasinos attract criminals indulging in such activities, like flies around a carcass. It is just one more way that casinos damage New Zealand communities, in addition to the issues surrounding addictive gambling and encouraging excessive gambling. They also take money away from more wholesome and more beneficial activities. Casinos, because of the scope for harm, which they generally generate and inherently generate, have a special duty of care towards those whom they potentially harm and towards the whole community. So it is appropriate that section 7 be amended, so that, for the purposes of section 7(1) as it would become, a casino would be imputed with knowledge if it should have known that the money being used by a gambler came from significant criminal activity. For this purpose, the new section 7(2), which would be inserted by clause 5 of this bill, refers to international best practice in the detection of such activities, and that is as it should be. The onus must be on the casino to adopt best practice. Plenty of precedents exist for this overseas. Best practice would require such things as surveillance, recognition of gamblers\u2019 behaviour, recognition of known gamblers and their associates, and so on. A very long list of things can be included in best practice for these purposes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003ESo I think this bill is extremely well drafted and it will be extremely effective, and I cannot understand why the Government would not enthusiastically support it\u2014unless it is soft on crime, and maybe that is the answer. Perhaps we have got a National Government that is soft on crime. I think that is the answer, and I do not see any denials from those opposite. So here we have a National Government refusing to adopt this bill because it is soft on crime and because it supports casinos and all of the harm that they do. I am disgusted by the attitude of the Government on this bill. It should be enthusiastically embracing it, as New Zealand First does.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022 data-id=\u002232ad353d444a483baf08ecc4b4edd475\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002232ad353d444a483baf08ecc4b4edd475\u0022\u003EKANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National):\u003C/span\u003E Sat sri akaal. Thank you for this opportunity for me to speak on this bill, the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill, which we are opposing. The bill, introduced by the Green member Metiria Turei, seeks to encourage casinos towards implementing what the Green Party considers best practice and systems to detect and prevent problem gamblers and money-laundering. The basis of the bill is that a casino as a business poses a risk in attracting and benefiting from this significant criminal activity, and that casinos do not have a mechanism under which they can track and pay back money received under criminal proceeds. The Opposition believes that by passing this legislation it can ensure that the proceeds received will eventually be returned to the people from whom they have been stolen or acquired. Let me clarify this grey area. The assets, once recovered, are not returned back to the people; rather, these are returned to the Crown. Secondly, the current legislation ensures that any casino that seeks to knowingly profit from criminal activity in any shape or form can be subject to profit forfeiture. Moreover, the proposed legislation should be based on evidence, rather than individual thinking. Currently there is no clear evidence that casinos at present are not taking reasonable care to detect problem gambling and criminal activity. By proposing this, the member wants to suggest lowering the threshold of liability on casinos to take reasonable measures and precautions to prevent criminal intent by persons who knowingly commit the crime. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003EThe bill does not achieve anything. It aims high by encouraging best practice. However, it provides little or no framework. Rather, the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009, passed by the National Government, already contains a civil penalisation. Under the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 a profit forfeiture order may be made by a court in cases where the judge is satisfied by the evidence that a person has knowingly derived benefit from this significant criminal activity. Furthermore, New Zealand currently requires casinos to protect and minimise any harm to the community due to the issue of gambling. Towards that end, all the six casinos in New Zealand must have an approved Host Responsibility programme. Both the casino and the Host Responsibility programme are approved by the Gambling Commission, which is an independent statutory body. As part of the Host Responsibility programme casinos in New Zealand have a policy on identifying problem gamblers, which include indicators such as intensity and frequency of play, and frequent use of ATM machines on the premises.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E Casinos, under the current legislation, are also obliged to detect money-laundering and criminal activity. The Financial Transactions Reporting Act 1996 obligates casinos to keep transaction records and verify the identity of the people conducting occasional transactions over $10,000. The Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009 will come into effect in July 2013. This Act further strengthens the robust regime New Zealand has in place to monitor, detect, and report suspicious activity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000729\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003EIn the consideration that New Zealand has comprehensive legislation in place to address the issues being discussed in this bill, I do not think we require another piece of legislation. Therefore, I do not support this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022 data-id=\u00222e0f8cd2da214eafbaa7712f15c389ee\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000730\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222e0f8cd2da214eafbaa7712f15c389ee\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON (Labour\u2014Port Hills):\u003C/span\u003E I want to quote the member of Parliament who spoke earlier in this debate who started his speech in the way that I want to start mine, and say that I am outraged at the speech that the member has just delivered. It was gobsmacking. Having sat on a select committee with that member for some months now, I, frankly, have come to expect better of him. I thought that that member was able to think for himself, was able to stand up for principles, and was able to allow a robust debate on important issues, but he has let me down. He has let a lot of people down, actually, as have his colleagues Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga and Jonathan Young, who have both spoken earlier. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000731\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EThe member from New Zealand First who spoke during this debate, Denis O\u2019Rourke, said that he suspected the reason that the National Party was opposing this bill, the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill\u2014clearly, National does not want it go to the Commerce Committee; they want to close down the debate fast\u2014was that it was soft on crime. That may be a reason. That is certainly a possibility. I think, Mr O\u2019Rourke, with respect, that you might need to just tune that a little more. I think National members are soft on some crime. They are soft on crime that goes on in casinos. They want to turn a blind eye to that. They want to allow people who have committed crimes to use the profit of that crime in the casino. They want the casino to benefit from the crime, and it wants to smile and wave and walk away. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000732\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EWhy would they want to do that? Let me give that a bit of thought. It may be because the Prime Minister and Steven Joyce are doing a shonky deal with the Auckland casino so that they can get around the current law, dramatically increase the number of pokie machines that it runs in the Auckland casino, and Auckland will have a convention centre. Good on Auckland for getting a convention centre. Actually, we would like one in Christchurch too, because ours is pretty wrecked\u2014it is probably gone, actually, by now\u2014but we do not want to sell our community\u2019s health in order to get our convention centre. We would rather pay for it ourselves and protect our community from more harm, rather than encourage it in the way that John Key has done. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000733\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003ESo I think that Denis O\u2019Rourke is correct. I think that the National Party is soft on crime, and, particularly, it is soft on crime that goes on in casinos\u2014otherwise it would be supporting this legislation, at least to go to a select committee. What is the National Party scared of? What does it have to hide? That is the only reason that the National Party members would all be putting up their hands and saying no to this legislation: that there was something that might come out at the select committee that might expose their shonky deal with the Auckland Skycity Casino, which is behind the scenes, getting around New Zealand law. That is exactly what the situation is\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000734\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022415a2b500fd242efa66f7095cbf020cb\u0022\u003EMichael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I have been listening very carefully to the member\u2019s contributions and comparing it with the Speakers\u2019 rulings as set out in Speaker\u2019s ruling 50/3. I fear that the last comment that the member has made, which I will not repeat, has certainly strayed into territory that is improper for a member of this House to make. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000735\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ee4756f1502415591d5585486465e00\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I was actually thinking of Speaker\u2019s ruling 51/5, myself. I would just caution the member to be careful in the way in which she couches the debate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000736\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e72d907ed5834d48a504c44474b037a1\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON\u003C/span\u003E: The reason why I think the National Party members do not want this bill to go to a select committee is that, during submissions looking at whether criminals should be able to spend the proceeds of their crime at a casino, and whether the casino, knowing that, should benefit from it, the issue of the deal may come up. I think that during those submissions the issue may be brought up of the deal that John Key and Steven Joyce are doing with the Skycity Casino in Auckland, so that that organisation can get around the law and dramatically increase the number of pokie machines it runs, which we know will do great harm in our community, and for which, in return, it has to have to provide a convention city, which they will make money from. That is why the National Party is afraid and does not want this bill to go to a select committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000737\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003ESo Labour is supporting this. We want the debate. There might be, as there often is in a member\u2019s bill, some matters to clean out. We do not have the resources of Government departments and agencies to write bills for us. Members rely on talented members within their own caucus. We are fortunate to have Charles Chauvel. I am not sure who the Green Party has in its caucus\u2014any number of people might have written it\u2014but Metiria Turei is responsible for this bill and I want to give her credit for bringing it to the House. It is an important area. It is one that this Parliament should not be afraid to debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022 data-id=\u0022f8ac12fa3fa24176a9d328e590976cbe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000738\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f8ac12fa3fa24176a9d328e590976cbe\u0022\u003EDENISE ROCHE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. Thank you for the opportunity to speak on this bill, the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 (Application to Casinos) Amendment Bill. It is a timely attempt to rein in the rapacious activities of casinos that profit from the proceeds of crime. Casinos are the beneficiaries of theft, fraud, and money-laundering. They are not necessarily good corporate citizens, and Mr Joyce\u2019s comments in the House during question time that the Greens were trying to stop Skycity in Auckland from building a convention centre were disingenuous, to say the least. He implies that we, the people of Auckland, should be grateful for the casino\u2019s largesse, that Skycity Casino is a good and worthy business, and completely forgets that the cost that comes with this national convention centre deal is more crime, more problem gambling, and more social harm, and that this is what will come from the extra 300 to 500 pokie machines that the casino is demanding in exchange. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000739\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EThis bill is an attempt to reduce the crime level associated with casinos by ensuring that they can no longer help the criminals. Currently there are no disincentives for a casino to do that. There are only incentives. For example, in 2006 in a period of 6 months one member of a criminal drug ring gambled over $11 million\u2014classic money-laundering\u2014and from that exercise the casino kept $1.5 million in profit. In 2010 Herminia Lanuza was jailed for 4 years for theft. She withdrew $2.7 million from banks and ATMs around the Auckland Casino and lost the lot, and it is interesting that it is the bank that is being sued for passing her fraudulent cheques. Christopher Sue was jailed for 4 years in 2008. He had a turnover of $50 million at the casino over 6 years. How do you think the casino knew that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000740\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228421c7855369420fb0d10a880bec459a\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000741\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c12a24cf77b849c0887612d99e594469\u0022\u003EDENISE ROCHE\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, sir. How does one know that? The casino knew that because it tracked the money. Richard Watson stole $5.5 million from his employer over 10 years. These are just a few examples. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000742\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EIn 2008 the BDO Kendalls Not-for-profit Fraud Survey found that 53 percent of all the money stolen from charities was stolen to fund gambling activity. This survey, by the way, was of only those people who had been caught. It calculated that the average amount stolen from community organisations was $180,000 per person. That is a huge amount for a charity to lose, and they cannot afford to lose it, especially as they are, quite correctly, held to account for the public funds and donations that they receive and spend. Charities lose money to gambling. Small and medium sized businesses lose money to fuel gambling activity. These employers are good employers. They provide employment, and they pay tax.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000743\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201211145184dac29d704439b37b730279d90f00000744\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 10 p.m. to 9 a.m. (Thursday)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ffb8eaf162834c658f2cfc51c5919028\u0022\u003EWednesday, 14 November 2012\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000002\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d1506b18421e427a97b5419182a66908\u0022\u003E(continued on Thursday, 15 November 2012)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222cb76f6f2cfa481182b04f56962edf3d\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022951786bb1f244355901054ad319771b8\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022 data-id=\u0022d8204e478cec45dbabe3170931ead33f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d8204e478cec45dbabe3170931ead33f\u0022\u003EHon Dr PITA SHARPLES (Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs) \u003C/span\u003Eon behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: I move, That the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill be now read a third time. Tuatahi, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, Mook, Laly Haddon, koutou katoa kua haramai, nau mai, whakapiri mai. Nau mai, mauria mai \u014D koutou tini mate kia hui tahi r\u0101tou i konei, kia mihia, kia tangihia. Tino roa rawa t\u0113nei ker\u0113me, n\u0101 reira, i t\u0113r\u0101 w\u0101 i matemate mai \u0113tahi. N\u0101 reir\u0101 t\u0113nei au e tangi atu ki a r\u0101tou. Ng\u0101 mate katoa kua p\u0101 ki a koutou, kua mauria ki r\u014D Whare kia t\u016B honohono me \u0101 m\u0101tou mate, haere, okioki pai mai. \u0112rangi ko te mea nui, kua tae mai te kaupapa e whakahuihuitia t\u0101tou. He kaupapa \u0101taahua n\u0101 reira, nau mai i t\u0113nei r\u0101 whakahirahira. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, whakapiri mai. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[Firstly, welcome, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, Mook, Laly Haddon, and all of you who have arrived here, welcome, come closer. Welcome, bring forth your many deaths so that they may gather here together to be acknowledged and mourned over. This claim has been going on over a very long period of time and some have passed away. This is why I mourn them. To all the deaths affecting you that you have brought inside the House to link up with ours, depart, rest there well. But the most important thing is that the matter that assembled us here has arrived. It is an attractive matter, so welcome on this day of great significance. To you collectively, welcome, salutations, come closer.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EFrom the shores of Whangapar\u0101oa in the south, Paepae o T\u016B in the north, from the western tides of K\u014Dritot\u012B, \u014Ctakamait\u016B through the currents of Te Awa o H\u014Dteo flowing on to K\u012Bk\u012Btangiao, Hauhanganui to the p\u0101 of Te \u0100rai o T\u0101huhu. The children of Manuhiri, the people of Moekaraka waka. Ko Tamahunga te maunga, ko ng\u0101 Poit\u014D-o-te-kupenga-o-Toi-te-huatahi i te moana, ko Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri te hap\u016B, ko \u014Cmaha te marae.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[Tamahunga is the mountain, Poit\u014D-o-te-kupenga-o-Toi-te-huatahi stretch across the sea, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri is the subtribe, and \u014Cmaha is the courtyard.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EFrom the house of Te Kiri to the New Zealand House of Representatives, he h\u014Dnore m\u0101ku kia mihi atu ki a Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri kua tae mai i t\u0113nei r\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou [it is an honour for me to pay tribute to Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, who have arrived here today, so well done].\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EIt is an exciting time, times like this, when you can look out from the steps of Parliament on the beautiful Wellington morning that we have here and see kuia, koroua, and mokopuna heading into these buildings. When you see wheelchairs, walkers, prams\u2014whatever\u2014being wheeled into these buildings, when you see the sight that greets you on these mornings, then you know that the journey that these people are on has taken generations, has taken sacrifice and grievance, to reach us today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003ETheir journey has seen many loved ones pass on. Their journey has seen unimaginable economic and social losses, carved into generations of families. Their journey has seen great courage and conviction shown by generations of families. But by the end of this day, their journey will finally see justice for the people of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EEarly contact with European settlers led to epidemic disease, or rewharewha, decimating the families of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. Around 1840 Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri held customary mana whenua rights over 250,000 acres. Fifty years later, 90 percent of their land was gone, lost for ever. Today Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri landholdings total\u2014remember, before, it was 250,000 acres\u20141,300 acres. That land is fragmented and multiple-owned. In 2012 Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri are all but landless in their own homelands. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe Crown\u2019s alienation of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri lands began soon after the Treaty of Waitangi was signed. The forced Mahurangi and \u014Cmaha purchase saw thousands of hectares lost. Crown policies saw those lands they were left with individualised, fragmented, and uneconomic. Laws were passed that overnight turned Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri descendants into trespassers on their own whenua. As dawn broke on 20 January 1896 police officers, artillery men, and Government officials landed on Te Hauturu-o-Toi Island and forcibly evicted the rangatira and the families of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe impacts arising from the Crown\u2019s breaches of the Treaty of Waitangi have been carried over many years by generations of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri people, tae noa ki te r\u014Dp\u016B e huihui mai i te r\u0101 nei [including the group that is gathered here today].\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EWithout the land and resources to take ownership of their own destiny, generations of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri people\u2019s rights, their right to determine their own economic and social well-being, were denied. This land loss, this landlessness, meant that the right of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri to uphold their own mana motuhake, to exercise their own rangatiratanga, was denied. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EAs we stand together this morning, the Crown alongside Manuhiri, we look back through time and see this injustice, this suffering. All those things Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri families have lost, due to the actions of the Crown, can never be totally replaced. And yet the people of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri are here today to settle their grievances with the Crown with mana and with honour. The people of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri are looking ahead towards their future, and it is a bright one. It is a future that will focus on restoring the economic, environmental, social, and cultural health of ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EFrom this day on, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri seek the right to take ownership of their destiny, their own destiny, to determine their own economic, social, and cultural well-being. With the support of the Crown, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri seeks the right to uphold their own mana motuhake, to exercise their own rangatiratanga. To quote the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri whakatauk\u012B that encapsulates their mana whenua mana moana bonds to their rohe: e wh\u0101 t\u0101whara ki uta, he kiko t\u0101mure ki tai. From the flowering kiekie on our lands, to the flesh of the snapper deep in our waters, our fortune, our future for ever.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EN\u0101 reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. He mihi whakamutunga m\u0101ku ki a koutou i t\u0113nei r\u0101 nui, kua tae \u0101-tinana mai koutou, harikoa te ng\u0101kau kia t\u016B au ki te mihi ki a koutou i t\u0113nei r\u0101. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[So congratulations. A closing comment from me to you who have arrived here personally on this great day is to say how pleased I am to rise and welcome you here today. Greetings, acknowledgments, and salutations to you and to us collectively.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022 data-id=\u00227aeaf6ce01c64210a1ebff485b587c3c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227aeaf6ce01c64210a1ebff485b587c3c\u0022\u003EHon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E E koutou, e Laly, Mook, ng\u0101 mea pakeke, e mihi kau ana ki a koutou. E mihi kau ana ki t\u014D kaunihera, Wayne, koutou katoa e whai kaha atu, e tae tahi i te rangi nei. E taukototia atu te mihimihi o t\u014D t\u0101tou Minita M\u0101ori, te H\u014Dnore T\u0101kuta Pita Sharples ki a koutou. E m\u014Dhio atu t\u0101tou, te roaroa hoki me te mamae e mau ana a muri i a koutou, i te tae atu i te rangi nei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EHe tino rangi hoki t\u0113nei m\u014D koutou o Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. I tae kaha ake koutou ahakoa ng\u0101 piki, ng\u0101 heke m\u014D te \u0101hua o te moutere Hauturu, te ngahere, me te whakahoki o w\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 w\u0101hi whenua ki a koutou. I te mea, i roto i a t\u0101tou katoa ng\u0101 kaimahi o te Whare Miere nei, e m\u014Dhio atu t\u0101tou te mamae o r\u0101tou kua rere atu, kua peka atu ki t\u0113r\u0101 taha. E m\u014Dhio atu t\u0101tou ahakoa n\u0101 wai, n\u014D whea e tae atu katoa i t\u0113r\u0101 rere haere. E mihi kau ana ki a r\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E\u0112ngari m\u014D t\u0101tou kei te ora ana, ka nui te mihi. E mihi kau ana ki a koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou m\u014D t\u014D kaha rawa i te tae ahakoa te k\u012B i roto i a r\u0101tou o tauiwi m\u014D te \u0101hua o te piki me te heke. Ko t\u0113r\u0101 an\u014D w\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 take e p\u0101 ana ki te ora o t\u0101tou a Ng\u0101i M\u0101ori. N\u0101 te kaha me te pai o te rangi nei i tae kaha ake koutou i roto i te h\u016Bm\u0101rie; p\u0113nei tonu i te Whare nei, e whakaae atu kia oti pai m\u014D koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E[To you, the older ones, Laly and Mook, I salute you. I commend your counsel, Wayne, and all of you who worked hard to arrive here together today. I endorse the tributes to you by our Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs, the Hon Dr Pita Sharples. We all know as well how long it has taken, and the pain experienced by you afterwards right to this day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThis, indeed, is a momentous day for you, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. You have worked hard to get here despite the ups and downs relating to the situation over Little Barrier Island, the bush, and the return of some lands to you collectively. Because all of us have Beehive staff working amongst us, we know the hurt experienced by them when someone passes away or crosses over. We understand the situation, regardless of who it is or where they are from when they die. I really acknowledge them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EBut as far as we, the living, are concerned, the respect is huge. I regard you highly. Congratulations to you on working so hard to get here despite the view within non-M\u0101ori about the ups and downs, as there are some extenuating circumstances that relate to our well-being within M\u0101oridom. This day has been such a powerful and wonderful one, and you arrived here strongly in an affable frame of mind; I agree, like this House, that it ends well for you. Thank you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E I would like to recognise the chief negotiator and kaum\u0101tua Laly Haddon and new negotiator Mook\u2014Terence Hohneck. I have never known what Mook\u2019s real name was, but it is Terence. T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Terence. Ka nui te mihi ki a koe, Terence. He tino mihi atu ki a koe, Terence, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, ng\u0101 kaum\u0101tua katoa a Peri Watts, a koutou e tae tahi ake ki konei.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E[Hi there, Terence. I admire you greatly, I really do. Thank you as well to the aged, all of you, Peri Watts, and everyone who arrived here together today.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003ETo a lot of those people who have gone on, the relevance of this claim, in my mind, is how short it has been. It is an example of an organised journey that other claimants could take sight of, really getting down to it in 2009. I want to commend the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, Christopher Finlayson, for his effort in this. He was a bit churlish yesterday, saying we had nothing in our time when he was reading his poetry off his list and badging us people. By crikey, I nearly stood up and took a point of order, but I want to recognise the Minister\u2019s effort and recognise that period of time\u2014short period of time, really\u2014for Treaty settlements, from 2009 to now. I am not saying that there was not a heavy burden laid on the Manuhiri people by the actions of the Crown, the Native Land Court, and all other organisations that stripped them of physical assets and their physical being, but what I have never believed is that the Crown has taken any of our people\u2019s mana away. That is always intact. That it gets recognised now in a framework of them making it understood that they are the mana whenua, they are the tangata whenua, is something that, certainly, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri has done well, has espoused well, and has made certain that people understand who is there and who should not be and where they should be going. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EI want to recognise Sir Douglas Graham, who is not here today, for the effort in the initial stages and some of his efforts on behalf of the Crown in trying to get this together. I think it should be mentioned: his effort for all of those groups\u2014the Kaipara, T\u0101maki-makau-rau, Hauraki, and Coromandel, including Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri\u2014to enter into direct negotiations with the Crown to settle all their historical Treaty claims. Between July 2009 and March 2011 the Manuhiri \u014Cmaha Kaitiakitanga Ora Trust engaged in negotiations with the Crown for the settlement of all Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri historical Treaty claims. The initial deed of settlement was ratified by members of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri and signed in May 2011. I want to again reiterate that this has been a quite organised, orderly, and short journey, even though it was about long-term angst and the anxiety that Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri carry. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThe Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri claims relate to the failure of the Crown to create adequate reserves for Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri during the purchase of Mahurangi and \u014Cmaha in 1841. I am always amazed at the size of the buildings and the wealth that pervades that land in \u014Cmaha now. Native land laws, an operation of the Native Land Court\u2014I think history will tell us that the Native Land Court and the orders that were made at that time were some of the most spurious and scurrilous decisions made with those people. There was not recognition of who they were and what they were, and it just chose, like a consolidated bureaucracy, what should happen and what the edict should be for going forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThe Crown\u2019s acquisition of Te Hauturu-o-Toi, Little Barrier Island\u2014and this certainly has tested the waters, dare I mention it, in relation to this settlement. But I think it is a defined space and the agreement that the Crown has reached with Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri is something that can carry the future. There is allowance now, after the approach to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, about making sure that future generations can have some avenue or opportunity to continue to discuss the decision-making activities there. The Crown\u2019s actions did leave Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri virtually landless. It had devastating and enduring effects on the spiritual, cultural, and economic well-being of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. The settlement package includes the Warkworth District Court and Pakiri School sites, which will be leased back to the Crown, which will generate consistent income to help Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri forge their pathway forward for those who are there. There is $2.49 million in cash plus interest payable on the $9 million since 2009, the South Mangawhai Crown forest licence lands and the accumulated rentals of around $1.2 million, and first right of refusal for 169 years over 82 Crown-owned properties specified in the deed of settlement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThis I wanted to labour a bit on through the Minister, excuse the pun. I think that a lot of these properties that are sitting there are getting graffitied, vandalised, or kicked around, and nobody seems to care. I cannot quite comprehend why we do not become more generous or more forthright, and it would take a visionary Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations to push this along. It would certainly be supported from this side of the House. That is what is happening. Empty schools are pillaged. Empty halls are left to rot. Then we all get so high and mighty. I think some of the officials are saying \u201CIt is land bank, it is land bank.\u201D It is like Fort Knox. What the hang does \u201Cland bank\u201D mean? It means that property is stuck over there to rot, to get vandalised. I would strongly suggest through you, Mr Speaker, that this great, brave Minister should take something to Cabinet, and we would support that. That really does help the local wh\u0101nau and the local iwi. They have generally been the centre of those schools, of those properties. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EI want to mention the council and those people who have supported this claim. There are a whole lot of other cultural redresses investing. But when I read this about 82 Crown-owned properties and giving 169 years, well, I will tell you what will happen if those properties sit there for 169 years. They will get pirau, they will fall over. Why is it not such a great thing to give to the mana whenua, because we took a lot of that land away? So, Minister, in closing I would ask you to seriously consider that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EI want to commend the chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, the Hon Tau Henare, for receiving and listening to the hundred submissions that we had on this bill. People have taken it seriously. Many submissions raised concerns for a whole lot of issues, but let us remember that this is about those people who live there; it is not about politicians who have a role to make the decision on behalf of the Crown. But at the end of the day, it is Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri who live there. It is Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri who will be there for ever. They have not gone away. They will never go away. Our job as the Crown is to put something right that has been wrong for a long, long time. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u00225cd0f06b2aca4c2a82164c69689a447f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225cd0f06b2aca4c2a82164c69689a447f\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I hope those in the gallery do not mind, but I want to respond immediately to what Mr Horomia said, because he is quite right. The land bank system is under pressure, and I promise him I am on to it. It is pointless handing over properties after about 5 or 6 years that are, as he says, rotting away or have asbestos problems or graffiti problems. It is totally unacceptable and I will have a chat to him in the very near future, because, having seen the experience most recently of, I think, Waverley High School, the situation is most unsatisfactory, but I promise him I am on to it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ELike other members, I too welcome representatives of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri here for this third reading debate of the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill. I thank them for their tireless efforts. It is a great day for them and it is a great day for this Parliament, because what happens today is that Parliament gives effect to an agreement entered into between you, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, and the Crown for the settlement of historical claims. It has been a very long claim although, because of the good work, I think, on both sides, negotiations have gone very, very efficiently and effectively.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Manuhiri and the Crown signed a deed of settlement on 20 May 2011 at \u014Cmaha Marae, near Leigh. As I recall, it was a beautiful Saturday morning, well attended by the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri community, supported by representatives of Ng\u0101ti Wai, Ng\u0101ti Rehua, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, and other iwi, and a good representation of members from the Auckland Council, who are very keen to see this and other Treaty settlements in the T\u0101maki area work well. Well, almost 18 months have passed since then, which may seem a long time to some people, but in the context of Treaty settlements, it is not that long at all, and we have now reached the stage where we are dealing with the third reading, the final reading of the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EAs Mr Horomia has said, much of the credit goes to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. They have a wonderful chair in Tau Henare, one of my good parliamentary friends and colleagues, and he has really in the last couple of years taken the task of Treaty settlements under his wing and has done what I think is a superb job. As Mr Horomia said, he navigated\u2014and the committee worked very hard on\u2014the 100 or so submissions, and I really want to thank members for their work and for the consensus that was reached. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EAs other speakers have said, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri are a people of the Mahurangi coast, a beautiful part of New Zealand. Actually, I was very lucky to be driving through it just last Saturday. Their area of interest extends along that coast and inland from Bream Tail in the north to Whangapar\u0101oa in the south and includes Hauturu\u2014Little Barrier Island. Today the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri marae, \u014Cmaha, is the only tribal marae found on the east coast between the North Shore of Auckland and Whangarei Harbour, and, despite considerable pressures, not least being very high levels of land alienation, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri have kept their fires burning. They are well known for their affiliation to the ocean-going iwi Ng\u0101ti Wai, and are indeed represented on the Ng\u0101ti Wai Trust Board. Being descendants of the tupuna Maki, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri are also affiliated to the Te Kawerau peoples, and in particular they share descent with certain branches of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, Te Kawerau-a-Maki, and others. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Manuhiri were identified by Sir Douglas Graham as one of the groups the Crown should enter negotiations with, in his June 2009 proposal to get negotiations going again in T\u0101maki and neighbouring areas. Negotiations between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri commenced shortly thereafter and an agreement in principle was signed at Christmas 2009. The deed of settlement was signed, as I said, just a couple of months ago in 2011. The Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri community voted to ratify the settlement at 99.4 percent in support, and, frankly, it is difficult to conceive of a higher level of support than that, and I think that common purpose bodes well for the future of the iwi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EWith the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei deed and bill, which will also be read today for a third time, this settlement is the first of the negotiations started by Sir Douglas to be concluded. He is not here today, but I too wanted to acknowledge the very good work of Sir Douglas and of my chief Crown negotiator, Mike Dreaver, and the officials in the Office of Treaty Settlements. I too acknowledge the work and commitment of the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri negotiators. I did not know that Mook\u2019s name was Terence, but I am delighted he is here today. He is a wonderful negotiator. He and the other negotiators brought a high level of principle, pragmatism, and very good sense to the table. Peri Watts acted as both kaum\u0101tua and negotiator, and, as Mr Horomia has said, critically driving negotiations from the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri side has been that rangatira Laly Haddon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI am sure that Mr Horomia recently referred to Laly Haddon as an \u201Cold warrior\u201D. I do not know about the adjective, but warrior is certainly right. He has lived all his life at Pakiri, the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri heartland, and he has had a reputation on the rugby field\u2014which I am sure will appeal to you, Mr Deputy Speaker, not bringing you into the debate, of course\u2014and he has been awarded a QSM for services to conservation in addition to his membership of the Auckland Conservation Board and chairmanship of the Hauraki Gulf Forum. He was a founding member on the management committee of New Zealand\u2019s first marine reserve, the Cape Rodney reserve otherwise known as Goat Island. Mr Haddon has been a fearless advocate for Ng\u0101ti Wai through the years with his involvement with the Ng\u0101ti Wai Trust Board. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ERedress to Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri through this bill, including redress relating to Te Hauturu-o-Toi, or Little Barrier Island Nature Reserve, can be said to reflect Mr Haddon\u2019s commitment to tribal advocacy, to the environment, and to the righting of historical wrongs. The deed of settlement sets out the historical account. As it describes, the Crown went to extraordinary lengths to secure title to Te Hauturu-o-Toi from Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri and its other traditional owners of Ng\u0101ti Wai descent. A special Act, in fact, was passed, the Little Barrier Island Purchase Act 1894, which compulsorily acquired the shares of those owners who refused to sell. Then in 1896 the remaining owners, who included Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, were forcibly evicted from the island. In addition to the Crown acknowledgment of, and apology for, these wrongs, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri will retain ownership of 1.2 hectares of the island. This was a key aspiration of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. That small parcel will provide the community with an important foothold on the island including the ability to erect an appropriate building. The bill also makes provision for the co-governance of the island, particularly in the development of a conservation plan. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI want to say something briefly about clause 96A of the bill. It sets out that other groups can become involved in these provisions if other enactments provide for that. Importantly, through negotiations and in the gift and gift-back arrangement, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri acknowledge the significance of Te-Hauturu-o-Toi to all New Zealanders as a nature reserve, and I want to acknowledge the generosity of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EA number of concerns were raised before the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee by members of Ng\u0101ti Wai. I dealt with those in my second reading speech, but I do emphasise in this speech that the bill settles only the historical grievances of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. The claims of Ng\u0101ti Wai are not settled, nor does the redress provided to Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri convey exclusive mana whenua over the island to them. When Ng\u0101ti Wai enter settlement negotiations with the Crown through an appropriately mandated body, Ng\u0101ti Wai aspirations will, and can, be discussed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThis has been very much a model negotiation with hard work on both sides, and it really is a tribute to everyone that an agreement in principle was signed just before Christmas in 2009, and a deed of settlement in June 2011, and that we are at this stage in November 2012. So I want to thank Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri for their hard work, and wish them all the very best for the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u0022a4bd6b979e864595b342d13fa30b151f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a4bd6b979e864595b342d13fa30b151f\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga): \u003C/span\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e te Whare. \u0100, ki a koutou e rau rangatira m\u0101 o Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, nau mai, hara mai ki te Whare P\u0101remata e takat\u016B nei m\u014D t\u0113nei r\u0101 whakahirahira. \u0100piti h\u014Dno, t\u0101tai h\u014Dno, r\u0101tou te hunga mate ki a r\u0101tou, t\u0101tou te hunga ora ki a t\u0101tou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. Salutations to the House. To you, the leaders of a hundredfold of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, welcome to Parliament House in readiness here for this highly important day, welcome. Draw together, come together. They, the dead, draw together and we, the living, come together, greetings, acknowledgments, and salutations to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI am delighted to be able to speak at this final reading of the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill. Labour members, as we have all along, wholeheartedly support this bill at this third reading. Genealogy is the key that unlocks the history of these iwi that come before our House and our M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. Today I reacknowledge my tupuna Maki of Taranaki and K\u0101whia, Maki of Te Tai Hau\u0101uru, who with his confederates travelled from K\u0101whia through to the Hokianga and back down into the Waitakere and T\u0101maki areas. As my ancestor chased his foe, a chief of the Kaipara made disparaging remarks about Maki. As was usual, word got back to Maki, and in the relentless and unforgiving nature of M\u0101ori warfare Maki was particularly harsh on the people of Kaipara. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EBut there was more to M\u0101ori warfare than out and out slaughter of the enemy. Sometimes a battle would not reach its conclusion because of the sudden withdrawal of support. More often than not a peace deal would be made and the politics of peace talks was begun. But these talks were more than just a way to stop bloodshed. It was an opportunity for chiefs to make political and strategic alliances. Often these pacts between chiefs and tribes were sealed with gifts of mere pounamu, waka, slaves, or, in Maki\u2019s case, wives. It is a wise man who gives up his daughter to stop further bloodshed, as it was in those times. It will not go down well with the feminists of today, but this was the reality of our t\u016Bpuna. The reason was simple: give my daughter as wife to a victorious chief, and my grandchildren will be of the rangatira lines of both tribes, and so, therefore, it is less likely that old tribal feuds will be reignited. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EBut time marches on inexorably and without prejudice. The wh\u0101nau and hap\u016B groupings swelled in number to the point that by the time the Treaty of Waitangi came about in 1840 those small family groupings had turned into large iwi. So with each passing generation bros became cuzzies, and the degree of relationship diminished to the point where a new set of rules was applied by the participants. In 1840 P\u0101keh\u0101 became a new formula in this equation. This man Maki\u2014what a tupuna! Descendants can be found on the west coast of the North Island from as far south as P\u0101tea to K\u0101whia, through to T\u0101maki and up to the Hokianga. His name can be found in the word \u201CT\u0101maki\u201D\u2014T\u0101-maki. The tribe Te Kawerau-a-Maki are his descendants, as are the people of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri and some of Ng\u0101ti Wai. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThis settlement bill has been a long time in the making. Many hui, over decades, have been held. Strong and vociferous k\u014Drero have been put forward in establishing hap\u016B and iwi authority. More sadly, people have passed on, and all of that stems from whakapapa. For me, Te Hauturu-o-Toi, Little Barrier Island, is of particular significance. Concerns were raised by Ng\u0101ti Wai that Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri would receive the island back in some form or another. They too have whakapapa links to the island, and quite rightly made that clear in the many oral and written submissions made by the descendants of Ng\u0101ti Wai. After thorough investigation our committee has left an opportunity for Ng\u0101ti Wai to stake their claim to mana and a shared interest in Little Barrier Island. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EOur committee was aware of concerns also over allegations of possible conflicts of interest with regard to certain people and organisations of Ng\u0101ti Wai and Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. Both tribes sent the same legal teams and some people ended up on both representative boards, it was claimed. But that is not nepotism; that is whakapapa. The reason these kaum\u0101tua and kuia puta noa te motu, up and down the country, stand on one trust board and stand on another board is because of their genealogy. Our old people who lead the way for us younger ones do so from the safety and security of their whakapapa. Their families are likely to be of rangatira lines. It is like the way of our old people, because to be able to recite your relationship to the people you are about to do politics with is very advantageous\u2014a great leverage when negotiating. The close links between Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri and Ng\u0101ti Wai have been acknowledged. This committee has no reservations about conflicts of interest, and the dual roles have been made plain to the community concerned. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThe cultural and financial redress in this bill is significant, but it is never enough\u2014not just for Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri but for all hap\u016B and iwi up and down the country. There will never be enough money for redress and there will never be enough land and buildings to be given back. Iwi have to make do with what is on offer. No doubt Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri\u2019s post-settlement entity will look to invest well. They have a number of properties and reserves coming back into their ownership, old t\u016Bpuna names will be revived, and a new generation of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri will start. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EBut can I make one point. I have noticed in my time on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee this practice or trend of gifting back significant lakes, mountains, and islands with a clause that says it is for only a day or a week before the tribe magnanimously gifts it back to the nation. Minister Finlayson will be aware that 1840 to 2012 is 169 years. Why not give the island back to its iwi for 169 years, and then let the people and the Government of 2171 sort out their continuing Treaty relationship? I know, Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, that you will think that is a totally ridiculous situation, with your high \u201CEQ\u201D\u2014emotional intelligence. \u201CIt can never happen!\u201D, I know, is what will be screaming in your head, but I tell you, Minister, that there is no real mana in holding your long-lost taonga tuku iho land for a day, or a few days, or a week, before being forced to give it back to the people of New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThat little mamae aside, I am proud to be a member of the formidable M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, which is more than ably chaired by my Ng\u0101ti Hine whanaunga, the Hon Tau Henare. His guiding hand from the chair over what has been a very robust grouping has been very, very Speaker-like, so I mihi to my whanaunga. But I also implore him not to make any offhand remarks about smoking on this day, because I guarantee you it will be those remarks about his smoking habit or something that is totally frivolous that will end up in the New Zealand Herald, or in the blogosphere and in the media, and not the very, very important hui that we have here today. So that is another k\u014Drero I would like to pass on to the media. These are great days, these Treaty settlement days. These are highly significant, highly historic occasions, and they should be widely reported to all the people of New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo just in conclusion, I would like to acknowledge all the many people from both sides who were involved in this settlement process. I would like to acknowledge the Minister and all of his officials, but, more important, I would like to mihi to all the wh\u0101nau of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. It has been a very long journey, but this is a hugely significant occasion. So to all my distant relations, I wish you all the very best in the future. Kia ora an\u014D t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022 data-id=\u00222a051d046c1946e9877eb7722bca26c1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222a051d046c1946e9877eb7722bca26c1\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa e te Whare. Te manuhiri tu\u0101rangi, ng\u0101 kaum\u0101tua, ng\u0101 rangatira, ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri me Ng\u0101ti Wai, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa, nau mai, haere mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. Salutations to you all, the House. Welcome to you, visitors from afar, elders, leaders, and descendants of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri and Ng\u0101ti Wai, acknowledgments and welcome to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EThe Green Party believes that Te Tiriti o Waitangi is a positive force for social cohesion and for peace in Aotearoa New Zealand. Whether it has been expressed from family to wh\u0101nau, whether it is in the use of te Tiriti for the retention of land or forestry\u2014or perhaps, in the near future, State-owned assets\u2014te Tiriti has been a force for good in this country, and can continue to be so. We agree that there must be resolution of, and restitution for, all of the outstanding historical and contemporary breaches of te Tiriti as they occur.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EWe also believe that the Crown and its representatives have breached, and continue to breach, Te Tiriti o Waitangi. We believe that the settlement process operates as a continued breach of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. We believe that Te Tiriti o Waitangi supports hap\u016Btanga, and hap\u016Btanga is undermined by this Treaty settlement process. None the less, Te Tiriti o Waitangi itself is a force for good. However, the full capacity for te Tiriti to be used as a force for social good, and to be used to bring our communities and our wh\u0101nau together, cannot be reached until there is a genuine restitution for the wrongs that were committed by the State against hap\u016B, and that requires genuine respect for rangatiratanga, it requires the restoration of decision-making authority, and it requires justice for the past and a commitment to justice in the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EThe difficulty that the Green Party has with the settlement process\u2014and we have always had this problem with the settlement process\u2014is that it was not designed by M\u0101ori for M\u0101ori. It was not designed according to the rangatiratanga of iwi and hap\u016B. It was designed according to the needs of the Crown, which was looking to find as cheap and quick a way as possible to manage increasing M\u0101ori claims in the Waitangi Tribunal. The \u201Cpicking winners\u201D process that the settlement process creates causes another form of harm against iwi and hap\u016B.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E In the past the Green Party has tended to support Treaty settlements, because we believe we need to acknowledge and respect the work that kaum\u0101tua and rangatira put into the settlements. But we have to treat each one on its merits. On this one, we have agreed to continue to abstain on this Treaty settlement. We do not believe that this settlement is just. We do think it creates a very disturbing precedent for the use of legislation to make pointless gestures. [Interruption] That has been noticed and identified by my colleagues. Yes, well, the Minister and others in the House might groan, but this is not a rubber-stamping process. We have to make sure that genuine justice is identified here, and it is not. There is not genuine justice in this settlement, in our view.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EWe believe that this settlement deliberately creates a split between Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri and Ng\u0101ti Wai. This is an issue of great alarm, although it has happened in the past through Treaty settlements. I do want to acknowledge the harm that this settlement causes to many of the uri of Ng\u0101ti Wai, whichever position they come from on this settlement. There were serious issues of conflict of interest raised during our investigation in the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee of this settlement, and that has been touched on again this morning. We do not agree that those issues were satisfied. We have raised those issues at the select committee, and we have reported back to the House at the second reading on our view of those issues. I do not believe we need to traverse them again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EThe settlement today, which we are discussing, says that Hauturu is to be returned to Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri for 7 days in fee simple title, and then returned to Crown ownership but for a small proportion that is set aside. We know that the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill has been amended to state that its provisions do not prevent future settlements from providing co-governance arrangements over Hauturu to other iwi in the future. But this change is not sufficient to alter our vote. The Crown being able to take a piece of land that was wrongfully taken in the first place, give it back under legislation for a couple of days, and then take it back again so that it can give it to somebody else and then take it back again, is not restoration of justice. It is not. That is why we are not supporting this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EThe precedents that this legislation sets in this deal are unacceptable. It is a Clayton\u2019s return. It does nothing to restore to Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri genuine justice for the wrongs that were committed against them. It might have been accepted as part of the settlement deal, because of the circumstances that the iwi find themselves in today, but the Green Party does not accept it as genuine justice. We take this decision to abstain very seriously. We will not rubber-stamp settlements. We do not believe that these settlements can possibly be considered full and final\u2014and certainly not this one. We understand them as deals that are done today according to today\u2019s constraints, and the issues will no doubt be revisited again in the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EI do not doubt that the Minister will take some pride in this settlement, as he does in others, but he ought not to mistake respect from M\u0101ori for his position for acquiescence or even acceptance that this is a just process. The Crown has given nothing of itself in this settlement deal. It has not made restitution. It has not restored the wrongs it has committed. In fact, the Crown has, by picking some over others, created even further division and harm for Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri and Ng\u0101ti Wai. In our view, the Crown has committed an additional breach of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. The Green Party believes that it is important that we stand and name these Crown breaches as they occur.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EFinally, we do want to acknowledge all of the work and hardship of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri and Ng\u0101ti Wai that have led to this point in their struggle for genuine tino rangatiratanga, and we will continue to support them in that struggle. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022 data-id=\u0022b1d5c51698374cb7b6c6723775aa4f3a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b1d5c51698374cb7b6c6723775aa4f3a\u0022\u003EHon TAU HENARE (National):\u003C/span\u003E Te mea tuatahi, anei taku mihimihi ki a koutou katoa, e aku rangatira, e aku tu\u0101kana. N\u014D reira, ng\u0101 mihi. He h\u014Dnore m\u0101ku e t\u016B ana au ki te tautoko i t\u0113nei pire i mua i a koutou. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E[In the first instance, here is my tribute to you all, my leaders and elder siblings. It is an honour for me to stand before you to endorse this bill. And so, salutations, acknowledgments, and congratulations to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003ECan I start at the end, where Metiria Turei left off. I happen to agree with her that it is not a rubber-stamping issue. I do not think the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee takes it as such, as a rubber-stamping issue. We certainly, in every case, try to weed out the issues that are controversial and see whether we can assist on the way. I think that even in this settlement bill, the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill, we did that. We recommended that there be a change to take note of some of the concerns that submitters had. I am happy to say that the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations and Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri found a way that they could reflect the committee\u2019s desire to have one part of the bill changed. I think that was a good thing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI have also got to say that we can stand here and say \u201COh, one side was bullied; one side was coerced.\u201D, but at the end of the day this is an agreement between the Crown and somebody else\u2014an iwi. And at the end of the day it is their right to say yes and their right to say no. They could have easily said \u201CNah, I\u2019m not going to buy into this. This is a horrible deal. Let\u2019s wait for another 150 years. We might get another $9 million in 150 years.\u201D It is that sort of issue. Either you\u2014not you, Mr Speaker, but the generic use of the word \u201Cyou\u201D\u2014wait or you deal with it now so you can get on with the business. I think that M\u0101ori have shown a hell of a lot of patience over the years with the process. I think what we are seeing now is people deciding \u201CWe are not going to wait any more; we are going to take what has been offered and we will try to make the best position for our people.\u201D I congratulate Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri on that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EEarlier this morning in the Gaza Strip, the Israelis took the opportunity to clean out one of the military commanders of the Palestinian Hamas people. This is not the same as up in Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, but what I am trying to say is that if we continue to harbour ill feeling for thousands of years, then we are not going to get anywhere, and the only thing we are going to get is death and destruction. So I say not only to Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri but to those to come and those who have been before that it is a good day when we are able to sit down, agree, and move on to the next step. I see these settlements as being not only the honourable thing to do but the next step on the country\u2019s journey. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI think people will be pleasantly surprised by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee\u2019s report on the well-being of M\u0101ori children, because that is what we are looking at. We are looking at the future and what the future may hold for M\u0101ori children and for M\u0101ori as a part of this country. This is what the Treaty settlements are. They are a movement to the next level, to the next step. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003ECongratulations must go to the folk at home, to the Ministers, and to the team at the Office of Treaty Settlements, as a, I suppose, working model. I have said it in the House before. We should as a nation be very proud of the reconciliation process that we have come up with\u2014very proud of it. In fact, we should export it to a number of other countries. I know that it might sound arrogant, but we do have a history of being able to sit down, without bashing each other on the head, to try to figure out a deal that is good for everybody.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E Everybody who speaks in this House and who has spoken in this House has said that it is not the best deal ever. We are never ever going to get that. The acceptance that there is a stage that you move to, to the next level, for the benefit of your own people is, I think, paramount in all of these settlements. So, again, hats off to the negotiating team, and I must say hats off to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. It is one of the committees that I, personally, have enjoyed most being on while being here. We ask the hard questions, we do try to drill deep into some of these settlements, especially the \u201Cinteresting\u201D ones, and we do get results. I have to congratulate our committee on being a committee that does not hold back in terms of its questions and in terms of where it wants to go. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003ESo, all in all, this is a very, very good day for Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, and a very, very good day for the Government. Another Treaty settlement is done and dusted by our erstwhile Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations. He can clock it up. He can put another notch in his belt, and I think it is well deserved. I think that praise for this Government about, one, the number of Treaty settlements and, two, the speed with which these settlements have been settled and put to bed has been absolutely outstanding. I think it is a good day for Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, a good day for the Government, and a good day for the nation. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u0022dac0231e524541239d71170525b2e9c3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dac0231e524541239d71170525b2e9c3\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E E ng\u0101 m\u0101tua, e ng\u0101 k\u0101ranga maha me ng\u0101 hoa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E[To the fathers, many callings, and colleagues, greetings, salutations, and acknowledgments to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EIt is high time a discordant note was introduced into this debate. We have been through the introduction, first reading, and Committee stage and a full examination of the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill. Some people\u2019s reputations have been maligned and impugned, and I am here today to defend them. I recall when Ng\u0101ti Wai was under attack back in the 1970s from both the Crown and the Whangarei County Council. I want to know where some of these critics were back then when we needed help, when we turned things round. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EYou see, it is said that this bill is a breach of the Treaty of Waitangi, and that certain so-called claimants\u2019 claims are more meritorious than claims from those who have been around for a long time defending these issues. This is what these claimants took to the Waitangi Tribunal, you will recall, and they said that Ng\u0101ti Wai, if they dealt with the Crown that way, would be involved in significant irreversible prejudice. They said that Ng\u0101ti Wai were not consulted, that the chairperson of the Ng\u0101ti Wai Trust Board and the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri negotiator and trustee of the Manuhiri \u014Cmaha Kaitiakitanga Ora Trust were the same, that the chairperson of the Manuhiri \u014Cmaha Kaitiakitanga Ora Trust and the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri negotiator was a marae representative on the Ng\u0101ti Wai Trust Board and moved the motion for the board to support the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri settlement, and that the legal adviser to the Ng\u0101ti Wai Trust Board was the same adviser to the Manuhiri \u014Cmaha Kaitiakitanga Ora Trust and the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri negotiations. Those claims have been maintained on marae, at the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and on, regardless of the fact that the Waitangi Tribunal found no merit in them at all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EHere is the fact of the matter. The facts of the matter are that the Ng\u0101ti Wai Trust Board endorsed Manuhiri proceedings with their settlement as part of the T\u0101maki Makaurau settlement of the Auckland isthmus. That is No. 1. And there is no integrity in coming before this House with ignorance, supporting certain groups whose reputations I remember. For example, look at my people up there. Let me ask you this: H\u014Dr\u012B P\u0101rata\u2014how much land does H\u014Dr\u012B P\u0101rata keep at P\u0101taua? Not one inch. But I hear people telling the Green Party something else, and those members fall for it. It is a slight on Ng\u0101ti Wai, from the south to the north.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E Here are the facts. The resolution referred to in Part 1, that is the resolution I am talking about. It is a resolution that says that the Ng\u0101ti Wai Trust Board does not support any settlement that extinguishes any iwi rights, interests, or redress to the islands within the Ng\u0101ti Wai rohe. That was the resolution and it still stands. So why would the Greens come here today, as they have in the past, and put up there all manner of people with no understanding at all of Ng\u0101ti Wai or our history, as though they know more than the people who have slaved away for decades to see this right? I do not come here with any joy, but I am not going to stand by while people get defamed and maligned. The settlement deed specifically states that settlement with Manuhiri does not impinge upon any claims the Ng\u0101ti Wai Trust Board has. The Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations has said that, so has the Waitangi Tribunal. But, no, those members came down to the House and spread malice aforethought\u2014to use a legal term. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EWe know about the land that is in the exclusive control of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. It is 1.2 hectares. But in respect of the conflict of interest, I suggest that the Green Party considers the minute from the Waitangi Tribunal, which was asked to consider the conflict of interest issue. It went on to say this. This is the key finding from the Waitangi Tribunal: \u201CTaken in conjunction with the Minister\u2019s assurances that the door is open for further redress to be negotiated with Ng\u0101ti Wai I have come to the view\u201D\u2014this is Judge Milroy, on behalf of the Waitangi Tribunal\u2014\u201Cthat there is no significant and irreversible prejudice to the applicants. Ng\u0101ti Wai are recognised to some degree in the Deed. Redress that recognises shared manawhenua is still available to the applicants.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EThose are the facts. Do you want me to read it again? No, no, but this is to do with the law, not prejudice and bias or picking up the view of a few troublemakers who came before me and told me \u201CWe represent Ng\u0101ti Wai.\u201D Well, that was a big surprise to me, because I have been around a long time, since we started the Ng\u0101ti Wai Land Retention Committee to take on the Crown and the Whangarei County Council. We had 16 years of court case after court case, and finally almost won the whole lot. I remember some of those ones, though. They did not pay me. I am still waiting for my legal fees. And to have people come to this House and defame my family or Laly Haddon and people of that standing\u2014well, those are the things up with which we in New Zealand First will not put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225adb159a781b4cc9b1cda4536508212a\u0022\u003EHon Christopher Finlayson\u003C/span\u003E: Don\u2019t hold your breath for an apology.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c578584cad6a473c8726d5ba8d130f62\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I am asking for an apology. My brother has been the solicitor for the trust board for a long time, and the board was well aware of his involvement with Manuhiri and his assisting of them with their negotiations, although, in effect, his role was primarily involved in advising on structures around receiving the settlement assets, as opposed to deciding what the form of the settlement should be. However, I do not suppose the Greens want to have that story spoiled by facts. But an apology is deserved here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EThe second thing is that people have served their area studiously and with barely any compensation\u2014go and look at Ng\u0101ti Wai Trust Board\u2019s record of remuneration to the people who have worked for it. It is a standout model of putting the iwi before self. Look at the record. We will not stand by while somebody who does not understand, or a political party that should know better but does not, comes down here and defames and maligns us, because whatever our record is in Ng\u0101ti Wai, to use that old quote\u2014and I suppose it goes for my party as well as against that of some parties\u2014not like the seagull tossing and turning its head at every wave, but like the rock steadfast against the surging sea. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u002291f02459b89f47a2aad10f9913e4db8d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002291f02459b89f47a2aad10f9913e4db8d\u0022\u003ELOUISE UPSTON (National\u2014Taup\u014D):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te Mana Whakaw\u0101. T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te Whare. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou ng\u0101 iwi rangatira Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. N\u014D Kotarangi aku t\u016Bpuna \u0113ngari, i tipu ake ahau i T\u0101maki-makau-rau. Kei te noho au ki Karapiro. Ko Maungatautari te maunga. Ko Waikato te awa. Ko Louise Upston ahau, te mema P\u0101remata m\u014D Taup\u014D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. Greetings to you, the House. Acknowledgments to you, the esteemed tribe of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. Salutations, greetings, and congratulations to you all. My ancestors are from Scotland but I grew up in Auckland. I live in Karapiro. The mountain is Maungatautari, the river is Waikato, and I am Louise Upston, member of Parliament for Taup\u014D.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EWelcome, welcome, welcome, and congratulations on this momentous occasion. I echo the words of my colleagues bar one in the celebration that we have here for you today, so welcome to Parliament. This is a day that I know your people will remember for ever.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E This is another day in this Parliament where, under the very wise and strong leadership of Minister Finlayson, we are able to conclude Treaty of Waitangi negotiations. For some, I know, when the purchase of the land was done in 1841, without any consideration or reference to you, that is where the hurt started, back in 1841. So we stand in this Parliament in the year 2012 to conclude, to correct, and to make amends for that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EI do want to just echo some of the comments that my colleagues have made around the people who have made this possible. I do want to acknowledge Sir Douglas Graham, because I think to have started a conversation in 2009 and to be here, what, some 3\u00BD years later for the third reading of a bill, is definitely the shortest time frame I have witnessed. I think, more important, it also provides some confidence. It provides some guidance for those who are following in your footsteps who have yet to settle. I think that you, as the people of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, have really set a magnificent example, when two parties are willing and able, of how well, how efficiently, and how in a short time frame you can conclude an agreement, and it is that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EI do want to take just a very brief moment to say that I am sorry that this day is marred, and it will not be a unanimous vote in the House for support for this Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill. I am deeply saddened by that. It is the first time I have seen it since my time in Parliament. I believe the two parties in this agreement have reached an agreement. We would not be here today otherwise, if you had not. I want to just put on record my frustration with the Green Party in marring this day for this House, and for you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EOne of the things that is really important in the conclusion of Treaty settlements\u2014of which we have now done 22\u2014is the ability to put the past behind us. But, equally, I know that that past will never be forgotten. One of the things that has been very evident to me in my time as a member of Parliament is how some people have a poor understanding of the history that leads to these settlements. To use a phrase from one of my select committee colleagues, on a bill a couple of weeks ago, he spoke about \u201Cignorant P\u0101keh\u0101\u201D. At the time I was a bit offended, but, actually, I think on reflection it is quite accurate. There are a lot of P\u0101keh\u0101 New Zealanders who do not understand your past, do not understand why we have these settlements, and do not understand the hurt that has been caused. I think, equally, it is every one of us in this House who has a responsibility to make sure that more New Zealanders understand how important the Treaty settlements are for all of us, and for you particularly today, but, actually, to all of us as New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EI want to just also reflect on the select committee process, because there were a large number of submissions on this as a Treaty bill. I acknowledge the chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, the Hon Tau Henare, for navigating that process as well as he did. It is also fair to say that there were opposing views, which is what happens when you have a submission process. The fact that there clearly was some tension is, I think, also to be acknowledged, because that has an impact on the community. In my own electorate of Taup\u014D we have a settlement that is under way at the moment where there is, or there has been, a lot of friction in the community, and it is good to be able to say: \u201CThis is settled. There is agreement, and we can move forward together.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EI do not want to go through the details of the settlement, because they have been covered in some detail, but I want to come back to the comment I made about the fact that there is often a lack of understanding about what the settlement means. Some people fix on the financial redress alone. Although we have seen with the settlements in the 1990s just how beneficial that is, actually, it is often the cultural redress that is far more important to the people of the land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EI particularly want to acknowledge that I believe in your care. You have some of the most beautiful and spectacular coastlands in New Zealand. The role that you have played for many years in the Hauraki Gulf and in the protection of some very, very important parts of New Zealand also needs to be acknowledged. Often when we have these conversations, some people in the community think that when an island is part of a settlement, all of a sudden they will not get access. So of course with Little Barrier Island it is acknowledged that the access arrangements that are already in place will continue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EI do just want to say that this is a day we should be celebrating. This is a day that we all have a responsibility to share with our communities. This is another successful Treaty settlement, and we should be celebrating why it is important, and why it is important for each and every one of us. Congratulations. I am delighted that so many of you are here to share this day. I shall definitely share it with my family when I get home, because I think it is an important part of all of our history. N\u014D reira.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u0022fb879f20b02c40379d33ea69bf180676\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fb879f20b02c40379d33ea69bf180676\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te Kaihaut\u016B o te Whare. \u0100 k\u0101ti, kia tukua e ahau he mihi ki \u0113nei huanga \u014Dku o roto i Te Tai Tokerau, ng\u0101 uri a te waka e meinga nei, ko Moekakara, e kiia ai \u014Dku m\u0101tua he waka urut\u0101. I tau mai ai ki roto i te whanga i Whangapar\u0101oa, n\u0101 i wh\u0101torotoro haere ki roto i te awa e meinga nei ko Whangateau. Te take i huangia ai ko Whangateau, he kaha rawa n\u014D te au e hari ana i ng\u0101 waka ki ng\u0101 tauranga, whakahoki mai ai ki uta, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou i roto i t\u0113nei kaupapa i whakahuihuinga ai t\u0101tou ki konei kia whakawhiwhingia ai he p\u0101nga whenua whakahokingia ai, \u0113ngari kia whakap\u016Bmautia ai te ingoa me te mana tupuna o Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, ng\u0101 uri a Tenetahi, ng\u0101 uri a R\u0101hui, ng\u0101 uri a Te Kiri, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker of the House. Well, then, allow me to acknowledge these relatives of mine from within Northland, descendants of the canoe referred to as Moekakara, which my parents said was a pest of a canoe. It landed in the Whangapar\u0101oa harbour, and reconnoitred about this river called Whangateau. The reason it was given that name was because of a strong current that would take canoes out to the fishing grounds and bring them back to shore, so greetings and salutations to you collectively. Acknowledgments to you in respect of this matter that has assembled us here not only to receive land interests and returns but also to make permanent the name and ancestral powers of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri descendants of Tenetahi, R\u0101hui, and Te Kiri. And so congratulations, good tidings, and well done to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI stand to give unfettered support to the passage of this bill, the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill. I want to acknowledge that in this particular area of Aotearoa, from Warkworth, Northumberland, one of the early P\u0101keh\u0101 colonists, Brown, came out of Tasmania, he befriended the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua hap\u016B leader Te Hemara Tauhia, and alienation began. There was also a group of M\u0101ori living in this area under the leadership of Te Kiri, located in an area nowadays so populated by extraordinarily affluent Aucklanders that it has become the recreational playground of our Auckland fellow citizens. But know this: in that part of New Zealand, there was always a very strong group of M\u0101ori communities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EIn the early colonial times, two names loom large from those communities. One was the ancestor Te Kiri and the other was the daughter R\u0101hui Te K\u012B, who became known as R\u0101hui Tenetahi. If my memory serves me correctly, Tenetahi was from Ng\u0101ti Taka, Ng\u0101ti Wai, and Ng\u0101puhi. They eventually went to Te Hauturu-o-Toi. They went there to defend that island. That island was the site of one of the most extraordinary M\u0101ori Land Court battles that took place in the north. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EAn initial grant was made to Te Hemara Tauhia, and those of us who understand colonial history between our chiefs and the P\u0101keh\u0101 at the time would know of Tauhia. As a consequence of the strength of the formidable kuia R\u0101hui Te K\u012B, she refused to bow down to the Crown. She, unfortunately, struck the strength of the ornithological bird society of, if my memory serves me correctly, the Auckland Museum, which determined that the stitchbird on Te Hauturu-o-Toi deserved protection. To do that, forcibly from that island had to be removed R\u0101hui Te K\u012B. Her t\u0101ne, Tenetahi, had a schooner, so he was up and down the coast. Along with seven, eight, nine, or 10 kids, one of whom I recall being called Ngapeka, they sought to defend rights. Eventually the M\u0101ori Land Court found that Rahui and her t\u0101ne had ownership rights. They were forcibly moved to Narrow Neck, Devonport\u2014a piece of land that is also somewhat controversial\u2014with the promise that their stock and provisions would eventually be returned to them. They never were, until Tenetahi snuck back and took what he could, and that was the sad history of these people being forcibly taken off Te Hauturu-o-Toi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ETheir marae commemorates the name of the tupuna Te Kiri, so for anyone in this House, whether they are from the Green Party or my party, to say that these people have no rights to that area or lack authority to have entered into a settlement is reflective of the growing level of ignorance, unfortunately fed by great rhetoric. These people are entitled to stand and receive a settlement. It may be wise or unwise that they receive this particular settlement, but that is their choice. That is the choice they make with the Crown. So we salute the decision that is made today. These are never easy decisions, but they are in an area where there is tremendous pressure from the expansion of Auckland. There is commercial pressure as a consequence of the recreational value of that part of the coastline, and they need as much support and endorsement from M\u0101ori members of Parliament as possible, certainly on this day. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EIt might be said that it is fair game to have a crack at M\u0101ori lawyers. Well, it is not. The M\u0101ori lawyer Wayne Peters is our member on the All Black board of governance, looking after M\u0101ori All Black interests. We have in the audience in the gallery today a former M\u0101ori All Black, Laly Haddon. Au\u0113, if he were on the field last night, our M\u0101ori team might not have lost to the Irish. Au\u0113, if only he had he been on the field last night. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EWe should acknowledge the presence of Laly Haddon, one of the direct descendants of those t\u016Bpuna, and join with Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, despite the difficulties of shepherding through settlements in the broader T\u0101maki-makau-rau area. They have decided to make a call and plunge their pouwhenua into that coastline, so that modern New Zealanders and future New Zealanders will know that this is not P\u0101keh\u0101 land alone. This is customary, ancestral land, the uri of Te Kiri, the people of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, and with their broader wh\u0101nau out of Ng\u0101ti Wai. That is the historical fact of the matter, irrespective of lazy rhetoric and chirping voices that have, unfortunately, blighted the latter end of this settlement day. Kia kaha ki a koutou. \u0112hara t\u0113nei i te mahi m\u0101m\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[So get stuck in. This is not an easy task.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI have no idea whether the stitchbird, otherwise known as the hihi, has prospered on Te Hauturu-o-Toi. I have no particular animosity to that feature of the green kingdom; others I do, but not the hihi, or stitchbird. Kia manawa nui, kia manawa roa. \u0112hara t\u0113nei i te rangi noa iho nei ki a koe kara Laly. Me t\u014D m\u0101tou m\u014Dhio ahakoa t\u014D m\u0101r\u014D, pakari o t\u014D tinana i a koe i te papa whutup\u014Dro, kua h\u012Broki haere ai koe. Kia tau ng\u0101 manaakitanga ki runga i a koe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[Be big-hearted and generous. This is not just an ordinary day for you, colleague Laly. We know that your body was tough and sturdy on the football field, but you have become emaciated. May kindness prevail over you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EAs I said, we realise that a man formerly known as the \u201CBlack Tracker\u201D, who graced the fields of North Auckland rugby and in the early 1960s became a M\u0101ori All Black, leads your wh\u0101nau, the marae, and that part of our community with pride. I saw the impact you had on my tuakana when he owned the Leigh Hotel\u2014Teddy Jones. He has never been quite the same. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThis should not be a day where we go back and rakuraku, and rake over what could have been. This is a day, a relatively simple day, when we, as M\u0101ori MPs, stand with you because you have made a difficult decision, but at the end of the day you came to a point with this very good Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations. Naturally, we hope that his good will become great when he meets the taniwhas of Ng\u0101puhi, but that is another matter. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EKia manawa nui, kia manawa roa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[Be big-hearted and generous.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI look forward to driving back up to Muriwhenua one day and seeing you restore the name of Warkworth to its proper M\u0101ori name. What that name might be is my question to you. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Kia ora t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022 data-id=\u00229c2aca8029bc49f281c6a85f6a7da2be\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229c2aca8029bc49f281c6a85f6a7da2be\u0022\u003EKATRINA SHANKS (National):\u003C/span\u003E It is my pleasure to take a call on this settlement bill, the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill, today. This bill marks the end of a long journey for the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri people\u2014grievances that have spanned over 170 years. This redress is certainly well overdue. I would like to acknowledge those who are here today and who have not made it here today, who have worked long and hard to get to this settlement today. I would also like to acknowledge those who are no longer with you, who have shown leadership, commitment, and dedication to ensure that we can settle today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003EI would also like to acknowledge the Minister Chris Finlayson, who has been committed to ensuring that we get these settlements in a speedy process so we are not waiting years and years. I would also like to acknowledge the chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, Tau Henare, who has been extremely committed in ensuring that these bills come back into the House as speedily as they possibly can. This bill had over 100 submitters, which is a pretty huge number of submitters on a Treaty bill, and he managed that process very professionally and in a very swift manner, which has seen this bill return very quickly back into the House for the third reading. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003EI wish we could turn back the clock\u2014I really do. We cannot change what has happened, but we can move forward, and I think it is important that we understand that you have been very gracious in allowing us to settle the way we have today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003EWhenever I do these Treaty bills, I always talk to my children the morning of the day of the settlement, and I tell them the story of the iwi and the people and your journey, and I tell them what has happened. And with this bill I spoke to them this morning about how the Government, the Crown, came and took land without consent and without acknowledgment, and I told them how we also changed legislation so it was very hard to get that land back. I put it into the here and the now for them, and I said: \u201CHow would you feel if the Crown came along now and said it wanted your land, and it didn\u2019t even tell us about it or didn\u2019t even offer us anything for it, and then we couldn\u2019t get it back?\u201D. They were totally appalled that that could even happen, but they were more appalled when I said that you have waited a long time for this. You have waited over 100 years. We have been on our land for 15 years. They could not believe that it could happen\u2014with their connection to our land, where we live, where we have brought them up, where they have their roots, they could not believe that the Crown could do that to somebody. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003E I think it is important that we share these stories and we make them real in the here and the now. I look up in the gallery and I see one young youth who has his eyes shut for the time being, having a bit of a rest. But I think it is important that we bring youth to these settlements and we talk about them, because we are making stories and tales and history, and we need people to be able to go and talk about these in 80 years\u2019 time. We need to say that this is what happened in the settlement process, these are what the issues were, and this is what the discussion was about. I think it is important that we share that with the next generation, because, to me, settlements are about the next generation, and I think the Crown does have to apologise for the grievances\u2014and they were vast\u2014against your people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003EWe do have to settle with commercial redress. That is really important. But settlements are about your future generations. It is about giving them aspiration and opportunities, and it is about understanding where we have gone. It is about being content and gracious about where we are at, and moving forward\u2014moving forward for all our generations. New Zealand is a wonderful country and we have to move forward as one if we are going to have a prosperous country. I think today is a day to celebrate for everybody and I thank you for coming all the way to Wellington to listen to the third reading. I thank you for your commitment, your dedication, and your leadership for your cause. I wish you all the best for the future. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022 data-id=\u002242247b5f96de427b9e7315b7b02ec091\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002242247b5f96de427b9e7315b7b02ec091\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, rau rangatira m\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. Ng\u0101 mihi ki ng\u0101 mana me ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau o Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the authorities and leaders of a hundredfold, salutations, acknowledgments, and greetings to you collectively. Congratulations to the powers and families of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, well done.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ETo Matua Laly, Mook, and the people who have fought this battle for Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri since the Treaty was signed, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. For 23 years you have waited for this day. I want to acknowledge that on 24 October 1989 Laly Paraone Haddon and Hawe Brown submitted a Wai claim\u2014Wai 122. In addition to Wai 122, there were further Manuhiri claims\u2014Wai 244, Wai 532, Wai 1539, Wai 1811, Wai 280, Wai 487, and Wai 567. The reality is that you as a wh\u0101nau have been battling for a long time for recognition as mana whenua, who deserve an apology from the Crown and who deserve your mana whenua status to be acknowledged by this House. So I mihi to you. I think in this House we mihi to each other too much, because the reality is we are here today only because of the mahi that you have done\u2014your t\u012Bpuna, your ancestors, who have fought for this day. So this is Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri\u2019s day, and when we look at what that day actually means, it means that from 1840 when you were colonised like the rest of us, there were 250,000 acres of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri land. By 1890 you had approximately 10 percent\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8c0816f2f2b45349babccd5b636a9de\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224038e928adaa4dab85cbc2940aa9d362\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL\u003C/span\u003E: Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri had 10 percent of that land, and now you retain 1,300 acres of that 250,000 acres that was Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri land. What does that actually mean? It means you have only 0.52 percent of your ancestral lands. So I want to acknowledge that generosity of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. In fact, for most of the settlements that come before this House, the settlements are a minuscule amount of what you should actually be getting back. But I do want to acknowledge that in this process it is the leadership of people like Mook, and it is the leadership of Laly and the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri Settlement Trust to actually take the opportunity to get the p\u016Btea, to get some capital back into your hands so that you can actually move forward. It is only because of the generosity of our hap\u016B and iwi groups that we are able to do that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI am a proud member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. This Treaty grievance process, which is our country\u2019s truth and reconciliation process, is, for me, incredibly important when we look back, even now when we look at the history of our country. I think what this will enable us to do is get past the Treaty grievance phase of the development of us as a nation. What we are moving toward is the rightful place of tangata whenua, of our hap\u016B, and of our iwi when we look at the future of this country. So the implications for me about the Treaty settlement process are actually about our constitutional position and status of our hap\u016B and iwi groups in the future and what new relationship you will have with us as Crown agents. So I am very proud to stand here as a member of this House of Parliament on this day to acknowledge you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EWe did have 140 written submissions, there were 17 oral submissions, and 95 of the submissions did acknowledge that there were some issues about Te Hauturu-o-Toi. So I want to acknowledge again the generosity of Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri in altering their deed of settlement. It is a very rare thing for iwi to alter their settlements when they have negotiated a position with the Crown. So I want to acknowledge the fact that you did that, and you did that because you know you are part of Ng\u0101ti Wai. You cannot separate Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri and Ng\u0101ti Wai. You did that because you acknowledge Ng\u0101ti Rehua, you acknowledge Te Kawerau-a-Maki, and you acknowledge Marut\u016Bahu and Ng\u0101puhi, who also have interests in Te Hauturu-o-Toi. So again I want to acknowledge the fact that you have provided leadership in that process for those future Treaty settlements that will happen. So I want to thank you for bringing the House together and for bringing us here today to be able to acknowledge and honour Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u002209683b7f68af49168944b011a4e64542\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002209683b7f68af49168944b011a4e64542\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just advise the House before I call the next speaker that the Green Party has given its 5-minute call to the honourable member Hone Harawira.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022 data-id=\u00224ea250ac9a2e4c299b6a1c6abc1e8116\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224ea250ac9a2e4c299b6a1c6abc1e8116\u0022\u003EHONE HARAWIRA (Leader\u2014Mana):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. Huri rauna kia ora t\u0101tou katoa. He k\u014Drero tuatahi, mihi atu ki a koe e te matua, Laly, kua tae ora mai i roto i a t\u0101tou i t\u0113nei r\u0101. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, koutou an\u014D r\u0101 e Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. Kite au i a koutou, kite an\u014Dki au i ahau an\u014D. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou kua tae mai i t\u0113nei r\u0101, me te mihi an\u014Dki ki ng\u0101 mahi kua mahingia nei i ng\u0101 tau tini kua pahure ake nei kia tae mai ai ki te kaupapa o te r\u0101 nei m\u014D te whakatau i t\u0113tahi w\u0101hanga iti m\u014D Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. \u0112ngari t\u0101ku ki a koutou, ki a t\u0101tou an\u014D, kia kaua e whakaarohia kua mutu te h\u012Bkoi i t\u0113nei r\u0101. He t\u012Bmatanga noa iho m\u014D \u0101 t\u0101tou tamariki, mokopuna \u0101 ng\u0101 r\u0101 kei te haere mai. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E[Greetings throughout to us all. The first point of comment is to acknowledge you, the father figure, Laly; you have arrived here safely amongst us today. Accordingly I greet you and you again collectively, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. To see you all there is to see myself again as well. So acknowledgments to you collectively who have arrived here today and a tribute as well for the work done over the many past years to arrive at the matter at hand today to settle a small part for Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri. But mine to you and us collectively once more, do not think that the journey has ended today. It is only a beginning for our children and grandchildren in the future. So good on you and us collectively.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EI do not have that much to say. I simply make the point that although we may have differences in this House, one thing I do know, and one thing I truly believe\u2014and am quite sure you believe too, Mooks\u2014is that the Treaty settlement process was never actually set up to ensure justice for us. The fact that most settlements struggle to rise above 3 percent of the value of the claim confirms that. So although there may not have been rousing applause for the comments made by my tuahine Metiria Turei, the principle she raised, which is that our future is determined by our willingness to work with one another to ensure a positive future not just for our children but for all of our children, is the only way to go. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EMe mihi au ki a koutou i t\u0113nei r\u0101. He r\u0101 nui t\u0113nei m\u014D Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, m\u014D t\u0101tou katoa hoki o roto o Te Tai Tokerau, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, huri atu, huri noa, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E[I must salute you collectively today. This is a great day for Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri and for all of us in Northland, so congratulations and well done to you collectively throughout and around, and compliments to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022 data-id=\u0022580a02dac3b245db846390ce894d6d1c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022580a02dac3b245db846390ce894d6d1c\u0022\u003ETE URUROA FLAVELL (M\u0101ori Party\u2014Waiariki):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa e te Whare. Me p\u0113nei rawa te t\u012Bmatanga mai o taku k\u014Drero i t\u0113nei ata. T\u0113nei te ara kei runga. Ko te aro t\u0113nei tipua, ko te aro t\u0113nei Ariki, ko te ara o t\u0113nei matua \u0101-iwi. Ko te ara o Ranginui e t\u016B nei, o Papat\u016B\u0101nuku e takoto nei. Kia rarau iho r\u0101 ng\u0101 tapuwae o T\u0101ne, t\u0113nei te p\u014D, nau mai te ao. Koia r\u0101 e rongo whakairia ki runga, t\u016Bturu a whiti whakamaua kia t\u012Bna, t\u012Bna, hui e, t\u0101iki e! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EMe p\u0113nei rawa te t\u012Bmatatanga mai o taku k\u014Drero, kai aku rangatira kua hara mai i Te Tai Tokerau i te mea he r\u0101 h\u014Du, he ao h\u014Du t\u0113nei i te r\u0101 nei. Kua puta, kua puta mai koutou i te p\u014D ki te ao. Kua rongo nei koutou i te \u0101huatanga o t\u0113r\u0101 whakatauk\u012B k\u014Drero. Haere mai, haere mai, haere mai. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou me ng\u0101 mate kua heria mai ai e koutou i tawhiti kia eke mai ki roto i ng\u0101 pakitara o te Whare nei. Kai wareware i a t\u0101tau, ko te \u0101huatanga o w\u0101 t\u0101tau mate e tangihia nei e t\u0101tau i t\u0113nei w\u0101. N\u0101 reira, waiho r\u0101tau kia moe. Kua tae mai koutou i te r\u0101 nei, haere mai, haere mai, hara mai, tae r\u0101 n\u014D ki a koutou kua tat\u016B mai an\u014D hoki m\u014D t\u0113nei r\u0101, n\u014D koutou te r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EN\u0101, ko te mate o te tangata whakamutunga ki te whakatakoto i tana k\u014Drero, kua wh\u0101nakohia e w\u0113t\u0101hi te nuinga o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero. I rongo ake i te k\u014Drero a te mema o Te Tai Tokerau me tana k\u012B mai, he kongakonga noa iho te moni kua tukuna atu ki a koutou. Ko t\u0101 te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori, \u0101e, tika tonu. T\u0113r\u0101, t\u0113r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EKa rua, kua rongo ake i te \u0101huatanga o te k\u014Drero ahakoa \u0101hua kawa nei w\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero, ki waku taringa, o te R\u014Dp\u016B K\u0101k\u0101riki me t\u0101 r\u0101tau k\u012B, he mea whakawehewehe t\u0113nei huarahi. Ko t\u0101ku, ko te k\u012B atu, kai te tika t\u0101na, t\u0113r\u0101 w\u0101hanga o tana k\u014Drero. He mea whakawehewehe t\u0113nei huarahi i a t\u0101tau. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EKua rongo ake i te \u0101huatanga o te k\u014Drero o te mema o Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti, o te H\u014Dnore Parekura Horomia me tana k\u012B atu, kua noho pirau \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 whare, kua whakatakotohia hei mea whakahoki ki a t\u0101tau. Ko t\u0101ku, ko te k\u012B atu, kei te tika t\u0101na. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EKua rongo ake i te \u0101huatanga o te k\u014Drero o te H\u014Dnore Shane Jones, tangata haere ki te Kura o T\u012Bpene. Ko t\u0101ku ko te k\u012B atu, \u0101, he painga an\u014D r\u0101 o te k\u014Drero o te M\u0101ori r\u0101. He tika tonu t\u0101na. Ko ia te mea m\u014Dhio ki t\u0113r\u0101 \u0101huatanga o te h\u012Btori o Te Tai Tokerau. Ko wai ahau hei whakah\u0113 i t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EKua rongo ake i te k\u014Drero o te K\u0101k\u0101riki me tana k\u012B mai, \u0101, e p\u0113nei ana, e p\u0113r\u0101 ana, e whakah\u0113 ana i te \u0101huatanga o t\u0113nei ker\u0113me. Ko t\u0101ku, ko te tautoko i t\u0101 Shane e k\u012B nei, i t\u014Dna mutunga mai, ko t\u0101 te iwi e whakatau, koia t\u0113r\u0101. Ko t\u0101 te iwi e k\u012B nei, koia t\u0113r\u0101. Ko wai au o Te Waiariki, me te p\u0101nga an\u014D r\u0101 ki Te Tai Tokerau \u0113ngari, o roto i a Te Arawa, ko wai a Te Arawa ki te whakah\u0113 i te k\u014Drero a t\u0113tahi atu. \u0112, k\u0101re i te tika t\u0113r\u0101 \u0101huatanga. N\u014D reira, me mihi r\u0101 ki a koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EK\u0101re e nui ake ng\u0101 k\u014Drero, kei hoki tuarua, tuatoru ki ng\u0101 k\u014Drero kua k\u014Drerohia \u0113ngari, kei k\u012B mai koutou, \u0113, k\u0101re te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori i te tautoko i te mea nei, ko t\u0101ku ki te k\u012B atu ki a koutou, kai te tautoko, kai te tautoko, kai te tautoko. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u0100, he paku mihi an\u014D hoki, hei whaiwhai haere i te wairua o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero ki a koutou ng\u0101 mea i \u0101rahi nei i t\u0113nei kaupapa. Kai te rangatira Laly, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ka hoki ng\u0101 mahara ki te w\u0101, p\u0113nei i \u0113nei n\u0101, ki te mea whutup\u014Dro. An\u0101, i a t\u0101tau e k\u014Drero whutup\u014Dro ana, te tangata e noho mai r\u0101 i t\u014D taha a Mook, t\u0101karo a ia m\u014D Ngongotaha i Rotorua. Ahakoa t\u014Dna whakapapa ki a koutou, \u0101, ko t\u0113tahi w\u0101hanga o t\u014Dna ng\u0101kau kai a au, kai Ngongotaha, kai Rotorua, kai Te Arawa. N\u014D reira, ka nui te mihi ki a koe, Mook. Ko koe t\u0113r\u0101 i t\u016B ki mua i te aroaro o te tangata, ki reira karo atu ai i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero, \u0101, pei atu ai ng\u0101 uauatanga. He mea uaua t\u0113r\u0101 ki te t\u016B ki mua i te aro o te marea, t\u014D ake iwi ki te k\u012B, anei, anei, anei, ka mutu, ka rongo koe i te whiu o te kupu, ka rongo koe i te mamae. Ko au t\u0113tahi e m\u014Dhio ana ki t\u0113r\u0101 \u0101huatanga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, k\u0101ti ake. E hoa m\u0101, kua tae mai koutou ki t\u0113nei r\u0101 nui, whakaharahara. Ko t\u0101 m\u0101tau, ko t\u0101 te Whare, h\u0101unga w\u0113tahi, \u0113ngari ko te nuinga o te Whare kai te k\u012B atu, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, n\u014D koutou t\u0113nei r\u0101. Kia kaha, kia toa r\u0101, ar\u0101, \u0101 ng\u0101 r\u0101 kai mua i te aroaro. Hai whakak\u014Dpani i taku k\u014Drero, i te nuinga o te w\u0101, ka tae mai te manuhiri M\u0101ori nei ki roto i t\u0113nei Whare, ka hara mai, ka rongo i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero \u0113ngari i te mutunga mai, ka puta k\u0101re he paku aha, k\u0101re he kapu t\u012B, \u0101, \u0113ngari i tua atu o t\u0113r\u0101, koia t\u0113r\u0101. N\u014D reira, ko t\u0101ku i t\u0113nei w\u0101 ko te k\u012B atu\u2014[Interruption]\u2014ko te k\u012B atu\u2014[Interruption] Kia tau ng\u0101 manaakitanga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. Greetings to us all in the House. I will begin my address this morning with this incantation: T\u0113nei te ara kei runga. Ko te aro t\u0113nei tipua, ko te ara o t\u0113nei Ariki, ko te aro t\u0113nei matua \u0101-iwi, ko te ara o Ranginui e t\u016B nei, o Papat\u016B\u0101nuku e takoto nei. Kia rarau iho r\u0101 ng\u0101 tapuwae o T\u0101ne t\u0113nei te p\u014D, nau mai te ao. Koia r\u0101 e rongo whakairia ki runga, t\u016Bturu a whakawhiti, whakamaua kia t\u012Bna, t\u012Bna, hui e, t\u0101iki e! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EAnd so my address commences in this manner, my esteemed leaders who have come here from Northland, because it is a new day and today is a new world. You have emerged and come out of the world of darkness into the world of light. You have heard and felt the tenor of that incantation. Welcome, welcome, and welcome three times over. I acknowledge you and the deaths you have brought aboard from afar to be within the walls of this House. Let us not forget the circumstances of our deaths, which we grieve at this point in time. So allow them to rest there. You have arrived here today so welcome, welcome, and welcome three times over. I extend this welcome to those of you as well who have come back again just for this day. The day is yours. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EThere is a problem with being the final speaker in that much of what one would like to address has already been stolen by previous speakers. I heard the comment by the member for Te Tai Tokerau where he stated that money given to you is but a mere pittance. The M\u0101ori Party agrees totally. That is that one. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003ESecondly, I heard the tenor of what the Green Party was on about, even if parts of it were a bit sour to my ear when she said that this procedure is divisive. I say to her that that part of her statement is correct. This procedure divides us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EI note the tenor of the address by the member for Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti, the Hon Parekura Horomia, when he said that some houses being returned to us are already in a state of decay. I say to him that he is right. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EI note the tenor of the speech by the Hon Shane Jones, one who attended St Stephen\u2019s College. I say that there is merit indeed in what that M\u0101ori advocates. He is absolutely right. He is very much more aware of the part that relates to the history of Northland. Who am I to contradict that statement? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EI note the sentiments of the Green Party member. She said this is how it is, that is how it is, and she opposes the circumstance of this claim. For me, I support what Shane is on about in that, at the end of it all, whatever the tribe determines, that would be it. Who am I of Te Waiariki from Te Arawa with connections as well in Northland to disagree with statements by someone else? That is not the right thing to do. And so I applaud them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EI have not much else to say in case I repeat what has already been stated a second or third time. Just in case you say that the M\u0101ori Party is not supporting this thing, let me say emphatically that we support it, we support it, and we support it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EA small tribute as well to you, the ones who have led this proposal. Laly, I really salute you. Like these ones, my thoughts go back to this thing rugby. Mention rugby and I think about that person, Mook, sitting beside you. He played for Ngongotaha in Rotorua and although he traces his genealogy to you, a part of his heart is with me, Ngongotaha, Rotorua, and Te Arawa. And so my regard for you, Mook, is right up there. It was you who faced up to people, who parried and fended off comments and difficulties. Standing before the public is a difficult thing to do, especially if they are your very own. Saying to them to do it this way and that way\u2014eventually you become subjected to criticism and you experience hurt as well. I am one who is very much aware of that situation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003ESo leave it there. Friends, you have arrived here on this great and wonderful day. All that is left for us, the majority of the House, to do is to say to you, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, this day is yours. Be strong and courageous in the days ahead of you. To end my address, I want to refer to times when M\u0101ori visitors come into this House, most times anyway. They come in, listen to the speeches, and at the end of it leave without a murmur, a cup of tea and just leave. What I want to say at this stage\u2014[Interruption]\u2014is to say\u2014[Interruption] Let kindness prevail.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022df0467d4a8a94cd7845d5df2b5f6db07\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022146c91954bfe4fdb8b8e2e15f1e16431\u0022\u003ETE URUROA FLAVELL\u003C/span\u003E: Kai te pai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de2d1bc6a1844246856bc5433e2ac602\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I think I should suspend the House just for a minute.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003ESitting temporarily suspended from 10.33 a.m. to 10.35 a.m. under Standing Order 48(1)(b).\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u0022c6d5ccb628b648c0a2c71793816dcfb6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c6d5ccb628b648c0a2c71793816dcfb6\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: The House is resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00229d536ac9f25e437d87f98715507db0f9\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 104\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 58; New Zealand Labour 32; New Zealand First 8; M\u0101ori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; Mana 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAbstentions 14\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party 14.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000160\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b0265cc1902549d6998fb1717266ab6e\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f062f363298d4b139491691423863516\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022 data-id=\u0022791f52b505004df49790a903fa5294e8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022791f52b505004df49790a903fa5294e8\u0022\u003EHon Dr PITA SHARPLES (Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: I move, That the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei Claims Settlement Bill be now read a third time. Tuatahi, kia tukua atu ng\u0101 whakamoemiti ki te Runga Rawa. E te Atua Kaha Rawa, t\u0113nei m\u0101tou \u014Du pononga e tiro atu ana ki a Koe i t\u0113nei h\u0101ora kia tata mai ki a m\u0101tou e hui tahi nei i roto i t\u0113nei Whare. T\u016Bwherahia \u014D ringaringa ki a Grant, otir\u0101, ki a m\u0101tou katoa e hui tahi nei, kia piki te ora, te kaha kei roto i a ia, kia tere te hoki mai ki waenganui i a m\u0101tou. K\u0101re au e p\u012Brangi kia whakaroatia ng\u0101 karakia ki a koe e te Atua, hoi an\u014D: \u201CHe ara matua, he ara tipua, he ara tawhiti ki a koe, e \u016B \u0113, haumi \u0113, hui \u0113, t\u0101iki \u0113.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EKa timu te tai, ka pari te tai ki Takaparawhau, e t\u016B whakah\u012B ana a \u014Cr\u0101kei. Tukuna r\u0101 t\u014D karanga kia areare mai ng\u0101 taringa, kia hiki te wairua o \u014Cr\u0101kei. He tohu maumahara ki ng\u0101 whawhai o \u014D koutou kuia, koroua i t\u016B pakari ai m\u014D te iwi. Ka kore e warewaretia. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[Firstly, I offer up prayers to the Almighty above. We, your humble servants, oh Almighty above, look to You at this hour to be closer to us gathered together here in this House. Open up your arms to Grant, to all of us assembled here as well, and improve his well-being and strength, which will speed up his recovery to ensure him being back amongst us once more. I do not wish to prolong our prayers to you, the Almighty, and accordingly I close with this ancient incantation: \u201CHe ara matua, he ara tipua, he ara tawhiti ki a koe, e \u016B \u0113, haumi \u0113, hui \u0113, t\u0101iki \u0113.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe tide ebbs and flows against Takaparawhau, and \u014Cr\u0101kei stands there proudly. Issue your call so that it can be heard by listening ears and lift up the spirit of \u014Cr\u0101kei. It is a memorial symbol of the battles of your esteemed elderly men and womenfolk who stood staunch for the tribe. It will not be forgotten.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EAs the waters ebb and flow against Takaparawhau I recall the kuia and koroua o \u014Cr\u0101kei. I recall their long, heartbreaking battles for their people. Today their determination, conviction, and mana bring their children to New Zealand\u2019s House of Representatives. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EHaruru mai ana a Tumutumu Whenua i ng\u0101 moemoe\u0101 o \u0101na uri. T\u016B tonu mai r\u0101 koe hei whakaruruhau m\u014D ng\u0101 tamariki, mokopuna o Tuperiri, ar\u0101, ko Te T\u0101\u014D\u016B, ko Ng\u0101 Oho, ko Te Uringutu hoki, t\u012Bhei mauri ora!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EN\u0101 reira, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kua haramai \u0101-tinana ki konei i t\u0113nei r\u0101, te r\u0101 whakahirahira, te r\u0101 whakamutunga, kia p\u0101nuihia t\u0113nei ker\u0113me. N\u0101 reira, nau mai, haere mai koutou. Haramai koutou i te kaupapa whakahirahira e whakahui ai i a t\u0101tou i t\u0113nei r\u0101. Ka hoki aku mahara ki a r\u0101tou k\u0101ore i konei, r\u0101tou e mahi ana i t\u0113nei ker\u0113me i te w\u0101 i a r\u0101tou e ora ana. Ko T\u0101 Hugh t\u0113tahi, me \u0113r\u0101 atu kua ngaro. N\u0101 reira ko te karanga, kia mauria mai \u014D koutou tini aitu\u0101 ki r\u014D Whare, kia mihia, kia poroporoakihia r\u0101tou. N\u0101 reira, e ng\u0101 mate \u014D t\u0101tou katoa haere, haere. Haere ki te okioki. N\u0101 reira, ko te k\u014Drero, r\u0101tou ki a r\u0101tou, t\u0101tou ki a t\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua ki \u014Cr\u0101kei nau mai, whakapiri mai ki t\u0113nei kaupapa. He w\u0101 t\u0113nei m\u0101ku ki te mihi atu ki a koutou. Wh\u0101 tekau m\u0101 rima tau taku noho ki waenganui i a koutou i T\u0101maki-makau-rau. N\u0101 koutou nei ahau i manaaki, i tiaki i t\u0113r\u0101 w\u0101. N\u0101 reira, he h\u014Dnore t\u0113nei m\u0101ku ki te t\u012Bmata i t\u0113nei k\u014Drero i t\u0113nei r\u0101, \u0101, ki te mihi atu, ki te karanga atu ki a koutou ki te whakataunga o t\u0113nei ker\u0113me. N\u0101 reira, Joe, t\u0113n\u0101 koe kua hoki mai nei ki t\u014D Whare. Kai te mihi au me koutou katoa e kawe mai nei i ng\u0101 kaupapa i roto i a T\u0101maki-makau-rau kia t\u016B pakari ai te \u0101hua o te M\u0101ori i roto i t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101one. N\u0101 reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[Tumutumu Whenua resounds as a consequence of the dreams of its descendants. Stand resolute there as a mentor for the children and grandchildren of Tuperiri, namely Te T\u0101\u014D\u016B, Ng\u0101 Oho, and Te Uringutu as well, behold the sneeze of life!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EAnd so, salutations to you, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, who have arrived here in person on this momentous and final day for the last reading of this claim. Accordingly welcome, welcome. Welcome in respect of the highly important matter that has drawn us together here today. My thoughts go back to those who are no longer here, and who worked on this claim during their lifetime. Sir Hugh was one, as well as others who have since died. So I call on you to bring forth your many, many deaths to be acknowledged and farewelled. And so, to all our deaths, I bid you farewell and goodbye. Depart and rest. The saying is as follows: they to themselves and we to ourselves. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EIn respect of you, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua of \u014Cr\u0101kei, welcome, draw closer to this matter. It is an opportunity as well for me to thank you. I have lived amongst you in Auckland for 45 years. In that time you nurtured and looked after me. Accordingly it is an honour for me to begin with this opening address and to welcome and summon you to the settlement of this claim. Therefore, Joe, I salute you on your return to your House. I acknowledge you and all of your entourage as well as the matters with you from Auckland that will strengthen the situation relating to M\u0101oridom in that metropolis. Accordingly, accolades, acknowledgments, and congratulations to you collectively.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EI welcome the sons and daughters of Tuperiri to New Zealand\u2019s House of Representatives. Through their manaakitanga, they, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, have enabled the creation and the growth of this nation\u2019s biggest city. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u0112 n\u0101 Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua i tuku whenua, i \u0101rai hoariri kia tipu pai te t\u0101one m\u014D tauiwi e! \u0100karana, \u0100karana e!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua gifted the land, and warded off enemies to ensure that the town for non-M\u0101ori would develop safely! Auckland, oh Auckland!]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThey gifted the land. They protected the inhabitants. They grew the city of Auckland, so M\u0101ori and P\u0101keh\u0101 could go forward together. Also, through their manaakitanga, they have welcomed the world to our lands, from last year\u2019s Rugby World Cup to the arrival and the p\u014Dwhiri for the future King of England only last weekend. Through their eyes they have seen hundreds, thousands, and millions settle upon the lands of their t\u012Bpuna. I pay tribute to the ahi k\u0101 families of Takaparawhau. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe ink was barely dry on the Treaty of Waitangi when the Crown first failed to honour this covenant. These actions would be repeated through generations of families and across more than 170 years, rendering Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei virtually landless. By 1898 the Native Land Court had divided the bulk of \u014Cr\u0101kei Block into individual titles, and extinguished communal ownership. After 50 years of failed court battles and barely 5 years after their men had returned from fighting in World War II, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei were evicted from \u014Ckahu Bay. Their marae, their homes, and their buildings were pulled down and burnt to the ground. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u0100 m\u0101minga te t\u0101one ki Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua e! \u0100 panaia ki waho, au\u0113 tahuna ng\u0101 whare k\u0101inga e! Whakatorotoro! Turakina! Au\u0113! P\u016Brari paka e!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[The town has deceived Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, alas! Banished them and burned their homes! Attacked! Torn down! Oh, the pain! Bloody buggers!]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThey were left with a quarter of an acre of land\u2014land for an urup\u0101, a cemetery. Intense industrialisation soon saw pristine kai moana beds and streams polluted by years of raw sewage as Auckland\u2019s population boomed. So the children of \u014Cr\u0101kei have grown up able only to look at the waters their grandparents used to swim in and live off. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EBy the mid-1970s, the ahi k\u0101 people of \u014Cr\u0101kei, the tangata whenua, held less than 1 hectare of whenua themselves. So when plans were unveiled for a high-end housing subdivision at Takaparawhau, the people of \u014Cr\u0101kei\u2014elders, children, families, and supporters\u2014returned to their whenua. Under the leadership of Grant Hawke and the Hawke family, the elders, and the young people of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, the tribe took a stand at Takaparawhau. Their message was simple. We are the tangata whenua. We are not trespassers. We will not leave. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EOn the morning of Thursday, 25 May 1978 Auckland woke to the sounds of an army convoy moving through the suburbs, past exclusive T\u0101maki Drive homes, and on to Bastion Point. The Government had mobilised the largest peacetime force of police and army in recent history, and they were heading for Takaparawhau. That day, more than 600 army and police personnel forcibly removed protestors\u2014elders, men, women, children, and families. More than 200 were arrested. Temporary buildings, gardens, and a meeting house were pulled to the ground. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe eviction of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei families was an appalling chapter in New Zealand history. However, the determination and conviction of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei in the face of legislative and physical aggression, and in the face of incredible and longstanding injustice, was a proud moment in New Zealand history. All those things, due to the actions of the Crown, can never be totally replaced. Yet the people of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei wish to settle their grievances with the Crown with honour and with mana. When the great rangatira Te Kawau likened the coming of the Treaty of Waitangi to the great wind from the north that would bring change, his prophecy was only to be fulfilled, as we know. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EAs it did for the rest of Aotearoa, the world changed for Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei after 1840. However, the aspirations of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei have never changed. Those aspirations were the same in 1840 when Te Kawau signed the Treaty, the same in 1977 when wh\u0101nau bravely confirmed their mana whenua by reoccupying Takaparawhau, and the same in 1988 when they lodged one of the first historical claims heard by the Waitangi Tribunal. Those aspirations are the same as those held today by the people of Takaparawhau, who have come out today to see justice carried out in their name, in the name of their ancestors, and in the name of future generations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei take ownership of their own destiny to determine their own economic and social well-being. They continue to uphold their mana motuhake and exercise their own rangatiratanga. Their members have visualised a future for their children, a future where their people are healthy physically, economically, culturally, spiritually, and eternally. So these are good days to see our people\u2014kuia, koroua, rangatahi\u2014joining us in the House of Representatives. You know that behind these people walk their t\u012Bpuna, you know they walk in front of their future generations, and alongside these people today stands the Crown. Together the Crown and Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua will see justice come to pass for the descendants of Tuperiri. He h\u014Dnore m\u0101ku kia t\u016B i konei i t\u0113nei r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[It is an honour for me to stand here today.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EFinally, congratulations to Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua on an international industrial award for the design of Te Waka M\u0101ori, which hosted the thousands during the Rugby World Cup. Shane, where are you, Shane?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022 data-id=\u0022fd1869bdbb824b1699180c6d72270e3b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fd1869bdbb824b1699180c6d72270e3b\u0022\u003EHon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti): \u003C/span\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 koe. Kia hiwa r\u0101, kia hiwa r\u0101. Kia hiwa r\u0101 ki t\u0113nei take, kia hiwa r\u0101 ki t\u0113r\u0101 take. E ng\u0101 iwi, e ng\u0101 waha k\u014Drero i runga o ng\u0101 marae, whakarongo. Whakarongo ki te tangi a te manu e karanga nei tui, tui, tuituia. Tuia i runga, tuia i raro, tuia i roto, tuia i te here tangata ka rongo te p\u014D, ka rongo te p\u014D. Tuia i te here tangata i takea mai i Hawaiki-nui, i Hawaiki-roa, i Hawaiki-p\u0101mamao, tihei mauri ora!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EE tautokotia atu ng\u0101 mihimihi o t\u014D t\u0101tou Minita M\u0101ori i a koutou o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou m\u014D t\u014D kaha i te tae atu i konei m\u014D te rangi nei, te rangi pai. Ahakoa he \u0101hua itiiti atu te m\u0101uiui o te matua a Grant, e mihi kau ana. Kia kaha, kia m\u0101ia. T\u0113r\u0101 an\u014D te \u0101hua o te ker\u0113me nei, mai r\u0101 n\u014D. E t\u016B te tangata, e hinga te tangata. \u0112ngari, n\u0101 te pakari, i mau kaha i roto i ng\u0101 uri, i te toto o koutou, i noho e whawhai tonu atu m\u014D t\u014D wahi i \u014Cr\u0101kei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EI whakaaro atu m\u014D r\u0101tou e kore i konei, p\u0113r\u0101 i a T\u0101 Hugh, p\u0113r\u0101 i ng\u0101 whaea, e whawhai atu e Danny. M\u014Dhio atu koe ki ng\u0101 koroua, ng\u0101 kuia, r\u0101tou e kore i konei. Te pai hoki kua tae tahi ake koutou ki te manaaki. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003ERongo atu ki te k\u014Drero i roto i a r\u0101tou o Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri m\u014D te tata noa iho o te pekanga atu \u014D r\u0101tou tipuna ki te wahi r\u0101 o Narrow Neck, \u0101, ka whai atu. \u0112ngari m\u014D koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Mai i te tipuranga o te tangata e whakaaro atu ko koutou anake te tangata whenua o T\u0101maki-makau-rau. I n\u0101ianei, kua rongo atu ki te nui o ng\u0101 ingoa o ng\u0101 iwi. \u0112, k\u0101re he k\u014Drero takahia t\u0113nei \u0113ngari, p\u0113r\u0101 ano te whakaaro i roto i a au. N\u014D reira, e mihi kau ana i a koutou te tangata whenua o \u014Cr\u0101kei. Te whakaaro o te puta \u0101-waha o te k\u014Drero o t\u014D t\u0101tou Minita M\u0101ori, m\u014D te mahi koretake o ng\u0101 pirihimana. I reira k\u0113 au e kite atu te taumahatanga i roto i a r\u0101tou, e wero atu i a koutou. N\u0101 te rekareka hoki m\u014D te rangi nei, kua tae tata me te oti, kua tae tata me te oti. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EWhakaae atu te nui o t\u0101tou ahakoa peka ana ki tera taha o te R\u014Dp\u016B K\u0101k\u0101riki; aua atu, mahia atu. E whakaae atu t\u0101tou m\u014D t\u0113nei. E tino kaha atu te koroua r\u0101 a Hugh m\u014D t\u014Dna whakaaro. Haere atu mai runga i te tuhinga e wero atu ki tauiwi, e wero atu ki te K\u0101wana, me te k\u014Drero i roto i a koutou. N\u014D reira, mihi atu ki a Grant, ki a koutou ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau katoa i reira. He tika atu i runga i te t\u016B nei ki te mihi atu ki t\u014D t\u0101tou tangata a H\u014Dhepa\u2014a Joe\u2014te tangata e mau matatau ki te \u0101hua o te Whare nei. Mai r\u0101 n\u014D t\u014Dna kaha i te whai atu m\u014D t\u0113n\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, ki a koutou, kia kaha, kia m\u0101ia. He rangi pai t\u0113nei. Kaha ake a Grant. He tangata tinanatia atu m\u014D t\u0113nei take. N\u014D reira, m\u0101 t\u014D t\u0101tou Matua e manaaki atu te haerenga o koutou katoa, me t\u014D t\u0101tou rangatira a Grant. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E[Thank you. Be wary, be watchful. Be wary of this matter, be watchful of that matter. To the tribes and representatives of courtyards, heed the call. Listen to the cry of the bird calling stitch it, stitch it, stitch it together. Stitch it upwards, stitch it downwards, stitch it inwards, stitch it like the genealogy of mankind so that the night hears, the void hears. Stitch it like the genealogy of mankind that originated from the great Hawaiki, the long Hawaiki, and the distant Hawaiki, behold the sneeze of life!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EI endorse the congratulatory sentiments of our Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs to you of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, congratulations. Your efforts to get here for this day, and a wonderful one at that, are commended. Even though Grant\u2019s condition is somewhat minor, I wish him well. Be strong and confident. That indeed is the nature of this claim, and it has been like that ever since. A person makes a stand and a person falls. However, because of the resilience of the descendants, and because it is in your blood, the battle for your place at \u014Cr\u0101kei goes on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EMy thoughts go out to those who are no longer here, like Sir Hugh, like the matriarchs who continued the battle, Danny. You know those elderly men and womenfolk who are no longer here. How pleasing it is that you collectively have arrived together to support. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThe comment by Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri about their close ancestral association with that place Narrow Neck, and how they are following it up, is noted. But for you especially, I salute you. From the time that Auckland became populated, it was always the view that you were the indigenous people. But now we hear of many tribal names being mentioned. I am not being disrespectful here but merely expressing the thoughts within me. Accordingly, I acknowledge you specifically as being the local tribe of \u014Cr\u0101kei. I am reminded of the words expressed by the Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs about the terrible action taken by the police. I was there and saw the heaviness in their approach in dealing with you. I am grateful for this day and that we are near the end and will soon conclude matters. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EWe are mostly in agreement except for the Green Party; never mind, it matters not. We are in agreement with this. That esteemed elder, Hugh, was strong-minded, his actions included writing and challenging non-M\u0101ori and Government as well as carrying out discussions among you. Thus I acknowledge Grant and all you families there. It is fitting indeed that I stand here to extol your man H\u014Dhepa\u2014Joe\u2014a person who is very familiar with the nature of this House. He has been involved with the struggle for a long time now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003ESo I say to you all, be strong and confident. This is a great day. Grant will be that much stronger and groomed for this cause. Accordingly, our heavenly Father will protect you all on your journey and protect our esteemed leader, Grant. Thank you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E In 1977 and 1978 there was some outrageous activity on behalf of the Crown, through the police force, that was just unnecessary. The great thing about Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua was that they decided, by themselves, for themselves, not one inch more, and they stood up. They stood up and they held their ground. Today, if you go to the marae, you can look over the pristine sights and understand why Auckland continuously boasts about being the City of Sails. It is the scenic view sought by people who wanted to remove the iwi, even going as far as burning the marae down the bottom and moving the houses. We can look over at Syria and Israel and think what a terrible thing they are doing. Those were days of shame for this country, both for the Government and for the police force. Today, that they have found their way here, through the Minister and other people, to put things right, is a great day. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThe other interesting thing about Wai 1, Wai 9, and Wai 13 is that they were some of the initial claims made under the Treaty settlement process. It is important to recognise not just their stance with Joe Hawke and everybody else but also the way they have managed their affairs. I mean affairs of business, not other affairs. There seems to be a fair bit of talk of that in the United States at the moment. They got an allocation in 1993, and they built it into a sophisticated arm, a consolidated, recognised economic base that they utilise now. That is not easy\u2014that is not easy. I see the summary of hand-backs, or properties made available, that they can purchase back, and I know they will use some of their own money to purchase some of that back. That takes a lot of gumption. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EThe thing about Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, having known them over a period of years, is that their governance structures that they have formed are a great example for other iwi in the sense of moving through. They have had their ups and downs. They have had their pitfalls. But I want to say to the nation to take a lesson from Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua on how you can go forward. Sure, it might be a bit wobbly\u2014a bit like some of these finance companies or some of these other ones that wobble at the moment\u2014but it is stable enough to suggest that M\u0101ori do know how to govern and to create a platform by them, for them. Future governance structures will be important to our people. Do not buy the models foisted on you by the legal fraternity or everybody else, who want to say: \u201CGuess what? I\u2019ve got a framework for you. Copy this and you\u2019ll survive.\u201D Because there is a M\u0101ori-ness that we have to ensure, and I know that Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, through their governance, are leading and will continue to do that. We must not be ashamed of trying to design structures or corporate\u2014if there is such a word\u2014that entails the employment of our people, that makes sure that the benefits are for our people. I see a lot of it around the country. M\u0101oris are great for buying an expert. They do not know what they are expert in, but because they have been told it, they buy them. I know Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua have been through that. Trust yourself to do this. Future governance and those structures are really critical. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EYou know, internationally\u2014and well done on winning for that Cloud thing, or whatever it was; that rugby thing. Seeing as you brought up rugby, if you want to sponsor the East Coast rugby team, I will be very keen for you to do that. I will discuss it right now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002263e138592d644259bb516befd9cbdcef\u0022\u003EHon Tau Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Why would they want to do that? That\u2019s just a waste of money.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220879378742e24bcc80003f62afc725e8\u0022\u003EHon PAREKURA HOROMIA\u003C/span\u003E: But that is being M\u0101ori, for M\u0101ori. We are the only regional team that has got their iwi brand on them. Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, I want to say to you seriously that this is a brave, heroic stand that you have taken. It is an incredible journey that you have made, and to be here today to celebrate with you is something that we will remember for a long, long time. You have been there; you have done that. But please make sure, in the sense of your governance construct, or where you go to when purchasing assets, that you give our people the breaks, because you will find a lot of new friends when you start doing this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003EI want to speak to the people of Narrow Neck, and I can understand the frustration, because one of the worst things in society is the fear of not knowing. When people do not know about something, they kick up a lot of humbug and ruckus. Those people in Narrow Neck will understand that Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua will be great neighbours, and they will not strip them of their land, they will not strip them of their houses, or run them into the sea, like they were. They will make sure that they fit into the society there. I want to tell the people over in that part of Auckland that they are damn lucky to get Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua to be there and not entered there through a Treaty settlement process\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022 data-id=\u002239c0c3d8757b4c038abb15c9787264b6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002239c0c3d8757b4c038abb15c9787264b6\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member. His time has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u002228203f8577174862ab158df384c366dd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002228203f8577174862ab158df384c366dd\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E It is always my unhappy duty to follow Mr Horomia when he has been speaking in the House. He takes liberty with great oratory, great insights, and I truly do respect him. My task is a little more formal; I have to this morning read into the formal record of the House, or Hansard, the details of the settlement. It is important that we record the settlement and how we got there, for all time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EOn 5 November 2011 I attended the signing of the deed of settlement at \u014Ckahu Bay and in 1 year the bill has been introduced, it has been considered by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and today it is now being read for a third time by Parliament. As I said on the Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri bill, I acknowledge the cross-party support, the good work of the select committee, and the commitment of Parliament to extend the sitting hours. These things have all ensured that these two Treaty bills have been accorded the priority that they deserve. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThis bill settles the Treaty grievances of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei. In the bill the Crown formally acknowledges its breaches of the Treaty, it offers an apology, and it provides cultural and commercial redress. Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, in their own words, acknowledge that full restitution for their loss is not possible, but they have negotiated in good faith to get the best deal for future generations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe longstanding historical grievances of this iwi are set out in the historical account in the deed. In March 1840 Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua chiefs signed the Treaty and from that time committed themselves to working closely with the new settler Government. In September 1840 Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei offered to transfer around 3,500 hectares to the Crown to provide a site for the proposed capital. As the historical account describes, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua and the Crown entered the transaction with a view to a mutually beneficial and enduring relationship. However, the short story is that the relationship between Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua and the Crown failed to live up to its promise. Within two decades Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua were rendered virtually landless. With landlessness came poverty and marginalisation within the growing settler community in T\u0101maki. It is historically significant that for the latter part of the 19th century and for much of the 20th century the marae and k\u0101inga at \u014Cr\u0101kei was the only permanent M\u0101ori presence on the T\u0101maki isthmus, and it is a testament to the resilience and determination of this great iwi that the community survived. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EAnother historically significant feature of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua is its leadership. Nineteenth century rangatira stand tall as M\u0101ori who sought to bridge the divide between M\u0101ori and P\u0101keh\u0101, but their engagement with settlers did not mean assimilation. Between the late 1870s and 1880s a series of parliaments were held in the Kaipara and at \u014Cr\u0101kei, at which Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua leaders raised concerns about the effects of land alienation and requested a greater involvement in government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThis history of measured and principled protest carried into the 20th century. Mr Horomia and Dr Sharples have referred to the 506-day occupation of Bastion Point, which changed the face of race relations in New Zealand for ever. Hone Harawira was telling me last night about some of the protestors and where they are now: senior civil servants, leaders of their iwi, members of Parliament. At the Te Rawara settlement, Hone spoke about the importance of protest and he is absolutely right. My only request to him is: \u201CPlease don\u2019t protest against me.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe negotiations for the deed of settlement took about 13 years to complete. They began in 1999, and terms of negotiation were signed in May 2003. Three years later, in June 2006, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei and the Crown signed an agreement in principle. However, negotiations were suspended for shared interests of the 12 other iwi in T\u0101maki to be accommodated. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI certainly want to acknowledge Sir Douglas Graham, because he has worked very hard over a number of years with Michael Dreaver, my chief Crown negotiator, to work out a framework for how all iwi in the T\u0101maki region may negotiate with the Crown for settlement of their grievances. That is how the T\u0101maki Collective was established, and Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei have played a significant role in that collective. Their deed of settlement, as I said, was signed on 5 November 2011, and contained in that deed are provisions for protocols by various Ministers, including the Minister of Conservation, the Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage, and numerous other Ministers. The financial and commercial redress consists of $18 million in financial redress less $2 million, which was provided in 1993 for the railway settlement, and various other commercial redress. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EOthers have mentioned the Defence Force site at Narrow Neck. When I was preparing this third reading speech I was wondering what to say about Narrow Neck and the meeting I attended one Saturday morning. There is, in fact, much I could say about Narrow Neck and those who opposed this aspect of the settlement. I have reflected long and hard on it, but have decided to adopt an approach of the less said, the best said, and simply endorse what Mr Horomia has said this morning. Today is a day for unity and optimism, not criticism and discord. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI acknowledge Joe Hawke, who is here in the Chamber today\u2014and I will have something more to say about him shortly\u2014the late Sir Hugh K\u0101wharu, all former board members, Grant, and so many others who have worked so very hard to reach this day. I also acknowledge David Williams of the law school at Auckland University, Graeme Horsley, and T\u012Bwana Tibble for their long service and dedication to the vision that was set by Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EA significant portion of the redress focuses on Defence Force land and I certainly want to thank the former MP for North Shore and former Minister of Defence, Wayne Mapp, for his help in progressing this aspect of the settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E I had one conclusion prepared for my third reading speech, but the rules of Parliament are that the Minister in charge of the bill cannot be present in the House if another Minister is speaking first. So I was waiting in the lobby until Dr Sharples concluded, so that he could speak and then I would be able to come in. As it turned out, I decided to have a look at Hansard and I read Joe Hawke\u2019s maiden speech. It had a fantastic conclusion that I am going to read into the record one more time. For those of you who are interested in such things, it is reported in Hansard, Volume 558, at page 186. I do not think he could say it better himself. He ended with a quotation from Pope John XXIII, which had been used to sum up the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua case to the tribunal, and this is what the Pope said: \u201COne thing is clear beyond dispute; any attempt to check the vitality and growth of racial minorities is a flagrant violation of justice; the more so if such exertions are aimed at their extinction.\u201D And then Joe went on to say: \u201CIndeed, the best interests of justice are served by those public authorities who do all they can to improve the human conditions of the members of minority groups, especially in what concerns their language, their culture, their ancient traditions, and their economic activity and enterprise.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI could not say it better myself, because in a true bipartisan way, since Mat Rata set up the tribunal in 1975, Governments of all persuasions have been working to achieve that end, and I truly hope and pray that today we have reached such a conclusion for the great Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u00225e1bb8e09fd04bae9691560c13f07f27\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225e1bb8e09fd04bae9691560c13f07f27\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD (Labour\u2014Te Atat\u016B):\u003C/span\u003E Ka tangi te t\u012Bt\u012B, ka tangi te k\u0101k\u0101, ka tangi hoki ahau, tihei mauri ora! Te Whare e t\u016B nei, e te iwi e t\u016B nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E[The muttonbird calls, the forest parrot calls, and I call as well, behold the breath of life! To the House and the people who stand before me I salute, acknowledge, and greet you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EIt is truly a privilege to contribute to this third reading today of the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei Claims Settlement Bill. As an Auckland MP and our party\u2019s spokesperson on Auckland issues, I want to put a few comments on the record. I want to add my welcome to those Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua who have travelled here today to be here for this very auspicious occasion. T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Joe. T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Danny, Grant, and others.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EI was 15 when I listened on a transistor radio to news reports of the police and army moving on to Bastion Point to remove the occupation. I was shocked that this could happen in our country. Ten years later, I reported for the Auckland Star on the Waitangi Tribunal report on \u014Cr\u0101kei. The report shocked me. I think that all Aucklanders, if they read the Waitangi Tribunal report, would be shocked to know the story of \u014Cr\u0101kei and the fact that by the Crown\u2019s actions Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua were virtually landless by 1885. To quote the tribunal, \u201Cthe cumulative effect of the various breaches of the principles of the Treaty was to render Ngati Whatua of Orakei virtually landless and without standing in their own homeland.\u201D Through political, legal, and bureaucratic means, efforts by Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua to hold on to their lands were frustrated decade after decade after decade. In 1911 an 8-foot high concrete pipe was built along the length of the \u014Ckahu Bay foreshore, pumping Auckland\u2019s raw sewage on to the shellfish beds of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua. Then in 1951 there was the compulsory acquisition and forced clearance off the marae at \u014Ckahu Bay. That was not our country\u2019s proudest moment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThese kinds of things are not unique to Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua and Auckland. In many ways, they are the story of our country\u2019s modern history. I believe that we are lucky as a nation that the patience and goodwill Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua have shown since British settlement are not unusual among hap\u016B and iwi everywhere. We are lucky also that Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, led by Joe Hawke, occupied that prime piece of Auckland real estate Takaparawhau, or Bastion Point, in 1977, and for 507 days appealed to the conscience of New Zealanders. The occupation drew support from all kinds of people, and, I am proud to say, had strong support from the unions and the political left. I say we are lucky because that occupation, as the Minister said, inspired change in this country. It opened the eyes of P\u0101keh\u0101 New Zealand to the injustice of land loss and Treaty breach. I will always be haunted by the images in the late Merat\u0101 Mita\u2019s film Bastion Point: Day 507 of New Zealand police officers carting kaum\u0101tua off the marae and a bulldozer demolishing the occupation\u2019s buildings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EIt was part of a wave of activism and protest that paved the way for a new era of reconciliation towards expanding the writ of the Waitangi Tribunal and Treaty settlements. But it came at considerable cost to Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua. Joe Hawke\u2019s generation, like those before, paid a personal price. During the occupation the Hawkes lost their little girl Joanna in a fire. I want to acknowledge her parents, Alec Hawke and Miro Cooper, who are in the gallery today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EIt is remarkable to think about the transition from those days of protest in the 1970s to today, when Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua is a significant player politically, economically, and culturally in modern Auckland. It was Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua that led a protest by many thousands of Aucklanders who marched on Queen Street in 2009 demanding M\u0101ori seats and a more democratic Auckland super-city. That is leadership. T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Ng\u0101rimu. This settlement will formalise and boost what has been under way now for many years: the development by Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua of their economic base and their emergence as an economic force. Our city needs a strong Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua. We have so many challenges: building an economy that delivers the jobs our young people need, making a vibrant city that attracts our brightest and best, and protecting our stunning natural environment\u2014the gulf and the maunga\u2014for future generations. Perhaps the most important challenge is unleashing the creativity and the talents of the young generation of M\u0101ori and Pasifika, who are becoming such an important demographic in the new Auckland. Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua is uniquely placed to help the city meet that challenge, and this settlement sets the platform for that to happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EI want to say to Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua on behalf of Labour that we support your exercise of self-determination as mana whenua to have a place to stand and the resources to sustain your people in the 21st century. The settlement will, without doubt, change Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua\u2019s relationship with the Crown, and I understand that renewed energy and resource will go into economic advancement, jobs, education, housing, and cultural and business opportunities for the iwi. It is an exciting moment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EToday Bastion Point remains a sublime place. It is still an extraordinary piece of real estate. But, more than that, it is a permanent reminder of a people who resisted, who endured and never gave up, and who got an apology for past wrongs and a recognition of 170 years of injustice, and built from that an ambitious and optimistic future for their children and their city. I want to thank all of those who have worked to bring this settlement to fruition, including the Minister but also officials and politicians both in this Government and in the one before it. I especially want to pay tribute to all those Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua over the generations who worked tirelessly to keep alive the dream of a people and their land. This settlement vindicates their efforts and marks a new beginning. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022 data-id=\u0022d58e45fd45ce4c68b57539e01aa23c73\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d58e45fd45ce4c68b57539e01aa23c73\u0022\u003EDAVID CLENDON (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. Kei te mihi nui ki a koutou ki te mana o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei me ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa o T\u0101maki-makau-rau, ng\u0101 rangatira m\u0101, ng\u0101 kuia m\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. I acknowledge you greatly, the authority of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua of \u014Cr\u0101kei, and all the subtribes of Auckland, the leaders and elderly womenfolk, salutations to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EMay I take a moment to express on behalf of the Greens our best wishes to the rangatira who became unwell this morning. That gentleman bears a name that has long been associated with strength and determination, and may those qualities assure a swift and complete recovery. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EIt is customary when standing to speak in this House to speak of one\u2019s pleasure at contributing to the debate about this or that bill. It can be somewhat formulaic, but on this occasion for me personally it is a genuine pleasure to speak to this important bill, the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei Claims Settlement Bill. It is a step in a long journey\u2014a significant step in the beginning of a new journey. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EAlthough my whakapapa goes to the north, particularly to Hokianga, nevertheless I have spent much of my life in Auckland. It is a place I hold very dear. I grew up there and continue to enjoy the time that I spend there. T\u0101maki-makau-rau\u2014Auckland\u2014is our largest, our most diverse, and our most complex city. It is arguably our most important city, though others will perhaps dispute that point. For New Zealand to do well, Auckland must do well. The acknowledgment today of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua as mana whenua, the restoration of some of the commercial redress that is involved in this bill, and some of the other empowering provisions that enable Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua to better exercise that mana whenua\u2014these things give Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua more capacity to contribute to a better and more prosperous future for both M\u0101ori and non-M\u0101ori in T\u0101maki-makau-rau, and, indeed, across New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EWith this settlement acknowledging the wrongs done in the 19th and 20th centuries, there is the return of a token amount of material wealth. The point has been made that these settlements at best are only token in the sense of returning material wealth. We cannot hope to see a full restitution. It is to the great honour of all M\u0101ori that that partial restitution has been accepted in the spirit of ensuring a better future for all of us. All of this that is contained in this bill today is an important step towards Auckland, all Aucklanders, and all New Zealanders enjoying a better and a richer future. Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua have always been, and are, and will continue to be, a powerhouse in the development of Auckland socially, culturally, and economically, and long may that continue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EIn an earlier speech I referred to the strategic plan of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, which is an extremely sophisticated document. I think it reflects, in part, on what Mr Horomia referred to earlier in terms of the particular governance model that has been established by Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua to respond to the situation of the 21st century. The basic structure of M\u0101ori society will not change: wh\u0101nau, hap\u016B, iwi, and the relationships within and between those structures. They will sustain us over time. That is not to say that cultures remain static. We are not locked in 1840 or 1780 or any other time. Cultures are dynamic, not least of all M\u0101ori. We will see the evolution of new ways of dealing with, and responding to, the demands of the 21st century, but always grounded in that commitment to, and acknowledgment of, our being part of a place, and that place is part of us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EI would like to make some brief reference to the text of the bill. One of the great benefits of these settlement bills is that they put on paper the stories, the record, of what happened. They are an incredibly rich resource for all New Zealanders, now and into the future, to remind us constantly of our history, and how we can resolve the bad that was done and seek to establish a better future for all of us. The acknowledgments of the bill recognise that Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua endeavoured to establish a positive and meaningful relationship with the Crown. They demonstrated extraordinarily good faith and trust in the Crown and sought to make that relationship work to everybody\u2019s advantage. There is a line in the bill that says: \u201CThe Crown acknowledges that the benefits and protection that Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei expected to flow from its relationship with the Crown were not always realised.\u201D That is a magnificent understatement, but nevertheless we acknowledge that that commitment has been made. It has been made honestly and openly, and that is to our mutual benefit. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EThe Crown also acknowledges that the alienation of land has diminished the ability of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei to exercise mana whenua, and, again, the unique provisions of this bill acknowledge the mana whenua and better enable Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua to exercise that, and that is as it should be. There is reference made to the inadequate protections applied to p\u0101 and urup\u0101, including Maungakiekie. Again, in an earlier speech I noted that the use of the correct names, the older names, the M\u0101ori names, for some of these key features of the Auckland landscape is becoming more commonplace. We are now referring without embarrassment to Maungakiekie and to the other significant sites around Auckland. That is a sign of the evolution of the understanding of non-M\u0101ori of the importance of the naming of places. These names embed stories. They refer to t\u016Bpuna and to events that created that place as it is today, and long may we continue to utilise and understand those names better. This is not to diminish or undermine the importance of some of the P\u0101keh\u0101 names that have been assigned to these places, but to recognise that naming is an important part of place and an important part of the exercise of mana whenua. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EThere is a reference also in the apology of the Crown, and, again, the apologies are always such an important part of these settlement bills. The material redress, of course, is important. That provides the p\u016Btea, the means to advance the aspirations of ng\u0101 iwi. But the apology is profoundly important, of course. It is an acknowledgment that wrong was done. From that point on, we can progress together. In the reference in the apology the Crown \u201Cregrets and is deeply sorry for its actions which left Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei virtually landless\u201D, and notes that this landlessness led to consequences, including to their \u201Csocial, economic and spiritual well-being\u201D\u2014a diminished well-being for these people and for all of us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EI do not believe that it is too long a bow to draw to suggest that the current deprivation, the fact that M\u0101ori appear at the wrong end of all of the social statistics and all of the social indices, is a reflection of the spiritual harm as much as the material harm. The harm to the spirit reflects very directly on the well-being of the emotions and the mental health of people. It is well known that M\u0101ori suffer significantly in terms of mental health. Our prisons across the country are full of M\u0101ori, and often that is a reflection of the lack of robust mental health. That is a disease of the spirit as much as of the mind. There is acknowledgment that the deprivation of the land affected the wairua of the people and led to the situation where we no longer have that strength in ourselves and in our purpose. These settlements are part of the restoration of that wairua, enabling our young ones to grow up knowing who they are, knowing their place, and knowing the mana of their people. That is an important part of the future for all of us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EThis bill talks of healing and it talks of trust, and those are significant aspirations. May this bill represent a step towards the healing of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua and of the relationship between Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, the Crown, and non-M\u0101ori. Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua have long demonstrated that they are trustworthy. It is now incumbent on the Crown and all of us who represent the Crown to prove that we also are trustworthy and that this relationship that is established by this settlement bill will be honoured into the future. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022 data-id=\u0022bef5fc900ed94fcc8dd2f43969689def\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bef5fc900ed94fcc8dd2f43969689def\u0022\u003EHon TAU HENARE (National):\u003C/span\u003E E aku rangatira me Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua i haere mai nei i t\u0113nei r\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. He w\u0101 potopoto t\u0113nei mihimihi ki a koutou n\u0101 reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E[Greetings to you, my leaders, and Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua who came here today. This salutation is but a brief one to you collectively, so acknowledgments, congratulations, and well done to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EAs a boy born and bred in Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua land, born and bred in \u014Ctara, in my formative years\u2014what that means is when I was young\u2014a lot of my time was spent running around Boot Hill learning to be a protestor, hanging out with Joe and Rene. I mihi to Sharon, Lance, and Terry, who were some of my best mates. I remember a number of parties at Joe\u2019s. In fact, that is where I met my wife for the first time, so thanks, Joe. Thank you, Rene. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9d03bd03b5f4cbe95c01c40c854e6e2\u0022\u003EHone Harawira\u003C/span\u003E: Poor girl.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ae95225e97b49f0bff85b71a0c51551\u0022\u003EHon TAU HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: You see, the problem is that when somebody interjects, they are going to get it when they speak. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI will not talk for very long, because this is a most happy day\u2014a most happy day. My heart goes to Grant, because that is an indication of the occasion, of the work that has gone into getting here\u2014not just getting on a plane or a bus, or in a car or whatever, to get here physically, but to get here over 150-odd years. The journey has been long; the journey has been hard. No one is saying that the journey is even going to be easy starting tomorrow. It is hard because of the things that my colleague Mr Clendon talks about, and that my colleague Mr Twyford talks about. It is hard to be M\u0101ori in your own country, and that is a sad indictment on this country. But what is a good indictment on this country is days like this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EWhat is good about days like this is that we can firmly focus on the future. Is leadership not a wonderful thing? From a carpenter, a chippy, a builder, to a person who leads the struggle up on the point, to becoming a member of Parliament, and now to see my old mate in the House as a kaum\u0101tua and as a former member of Parliament. I think that is quintessential New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc7a41eaadfe446385470d624bf6400f\u0022\u003EHone Harawira\u003C/span\u003E: Ooh!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2c933b9aeec4a2a9148f88377560d9a\u0022\u003EHon TAU HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: Did you hear that? Mr Harawira is going to have to go and get himself a dictionary. It starts with \u201Cq\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EWhen we look at world history and we look at Wounded Knee and places like that, Takaparawh\u0101 will be amongst those stories of asking how could anybody treat a people like that. I suppose we have the benefit of growing up where we do not treat people like that any more\u2014thank God. I can only say\u2014as, I suppose, Ng\u0101puhi in terms of my genealogy\u2014thank God they moved Parliament away from the north. We might have suffered the same sort of carry-on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EMy heart is filled with emotion, and I suppose the one thing that I can say is: \u201CThank you, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, for letting me stay in Auckland.\u201D It is not a glib sentiment. It goes to the heart of tangata whenua. It goes to the heart of mana whenua. You know, I was born and bred in \u014Ctara at 42 Harwood Crescent, and went to Bairds Primary School\u2014or Bairds Mainfreight Primary School now\u2014Bairds Intermediate School, and Hillary College. I have got to say that I learnt a lot of my lineage from my cousins who lived in \u014Ctara. I found out where I was from. I am very proud of my lineage. But I am very proud of the fact that I also know whose land I am on, whose whakapapa I borrow every day to go to work, to go to meetings, and to greet people. So I do thank Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua. Maybe we should be thinking about that sort of thing in the big scheme of things in a new New Zealand as we go forward, because this just adds to the big story that is New Zealand\u2019s history\u2014that is New Zealand\u2019s new history. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI am also adamant that our examples and our history can be used overseas to help other people forge a new land and a new understanding in their own lands. You know, one of the things that is amazing is when we travel around the world and we go to conferences, and we are sitting there in a conference, and then some M\u0101ori at the back gets up, and then there are a whole lot of M\u0101oris who get up and either sing a waiata or have their say. We on the international stage, as a people, should pat ourselves on the back, because we do have influence overseas and we do have influence here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EBriefly, on the select committee process, I was outraged at some of the comments by some of the people who were opposed not to the settlement but to a small piece of land\u2014a small piece of land. Considering that there are 66 million acres of land in this country and\u2014I was just going to say we own only 3 million, but that is \u201Cwe\u201D as in all of us M\u0101oris. They had the cheek to quibble about 1.5, or whatever it was. How many acres?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f77a0062293144fa97d6bb0488e7d29c\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: 3.6\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241fb1bfc8ab74c5897e3671756a49d27\u0022\u003EHon TAU HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: It was 3.6 acres they wanted to quibble about because they did not want M\u0101oris to have the opportunity to build a big whatever and then onsell it. It was a quibbling amount of land. It was a small piece of land in the big scheme of things. It was about moving Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua and New Zealand forward. All those people in Devonport who came to our select committee hearing\u2014do you know what they moaned about to the media? That I called people \u201Cbro\u201D, and that I called people \u201Cchief\u201D. That is what they moaned about. For goodness\u2019 sake, wake up, those sorts of people, because they are the ones who damage this country, not these people and not us. They are the ones who damage this country\u2019s reputation around the world\u2014not us, not the people who sit there and try to work out a deal over 150 years, and take the treatment that Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua have taken. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI was in the Wiri wool store working very hard as an 18-year-old in 1978 when the Point blew up, and they came in and used the army and the police. It was a sad, sad indictment on this country\u2019s history, but I tell you what. That sort of action stiffens the back and the resolve of the people to fight for justice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EHoi an\u014D, anei ng\u0101 mihimihi nui ki a koutou katoa e aku hoa, e aku tu\u0101kana, e aku t\u0113ina r\u0101nei. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora mai t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E[Accordingly, here are some huge congratulatory tributes to you all, my colleagues, elder or younger siblings. Therefore, accolades and acknowledgments to you collectively and an appreciation to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022 data-id=\u00226e0871bf928f44a4891fa23395845521\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226e0871bf928f44a4891fa23395845521\u0022\u003EBRENDAN HORAN (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E He mihi t\u0113nei ki a koutou i t\u0113nei r\u0101 nui m\u014D Te Tiriti o Waitangi me t\u014D koutou iwi. Kei runga i a koutou e ng\u0101 rangatira, ng\u0101 moemoe\u0101 o ng\u0101 t\u016Bpuna, me ng\u0101 t\u016Bmanako o te rangatahi, kia kaha, kia toa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E[This is a tribute to you collectively today in respect of the Treaty of Waitangi and particularly for your people. Upon you leaders are the ancestors\u2019 dreams and the aspirations of the young generation, be staunch, be bold.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EI rise on behalf of New Zealand First to support this third and final reading of the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei Claims Settlement Bill. But before I start, I would like to acknowledge the member of the media who is sitting up there today. I would just like to thank him for being there, because this is a momentous day and it is a momentous occasion. I know there are other media watching through closed circuit, but the stories of this tribe are so real, intense, spiritual, and brave that if we were in America, there would be movie moguls lined up outside, waiting to sign off movie rights. I hope that tonight the news is led by stories of this momentous occasion. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First acknowledges the arduous journey undertaken by Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei to reach this final stage of settlement. We acknowledge the mighty warriors of days gone by and the strength, courage, and determination runs true in the bloodlines of this tribe. We have seen it through the years. We saw it when families were forcibly evicted from their homes, to see their homes razed to the ground. We saw it in 1977 when families stood arm in arm against injustice. I would say that we all here today represent the many people who cannot be here. Some have passed on. Some could not make it. But I feel very proud that the tangata whenua who gave us Auckland are finally being healed and acknowledged, and we in New Zealand First are proud, yet humbled, to bear witness. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EWe have heard of the angst caused recently by the sale of 3.2 hectares of land to Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei. In the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, we witnessed some impassioned and at times acrimonious scenes. My comprehension was not that of rednecks at Narrow Neck, but I can understand the disbelief from Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei. After having 31,565 hectares lost, who in their right mind could possibly argue against 3.2 hectares being returned, or I should say, being bought back? But what I also saw was New Zealanders in Devonport connected to their land. They underwent an experience common to every M\u0101ori in this land, and that is having a connection to the land, having it promised to you by the Government\u2014be it Crown, local, or national\u2014and then having it cruelly taken away by the stroke of a pen, which brings to bear the old adage that there is no escaping the divisive and essential question: what is the purpose of the State and whom does it serve? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EI saw a community who was outraged, who loved their land, and who stood up to be counted when it mattered. Thankfully, through k\u014Drero and understanding, much of that angst has now dissipated, for there is a greater synergy borne through that experience that now entwines and binds the people of Devonport and Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei, and, indeed, the greater Auckland area. I would say to the people of New Zealand: take heed from this example, because we all love our land, our rivers, our lakes, and our maunga. Our rivers and lakes nurture the blood and bones of our ancestors and contain our wairua, the spirit of New Zealand. So let the experience of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei rumble from the mountains, through our lakes, rivers, oceans, and cities. A total of 31,565 hectares lost; 3.2 hectares returned. Remember this percentage next time we hear of that Government offering our land, our water, our wairua for sale to overseas buyers. Once taken, what is the chance of its return? What responsible guardian would ever sell that which is most dear to us, that which lies in our water and our lands\u2014our wairua? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EThere are many people who deserve mention throughout this long process, from the rangatira who signed the Treaty in 1840 to people like Ruby Gray, Cyril Talbot, Sir Hugh K\u0101wharu, Mike R\u0101meka, and \u0100ri P\u012Bhera, all past board members, now departed, who worked tirelessly not just for Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei but for all M\u0101oridom. They are sadly missed but greatly appreciated, and New Zealand First would acknowledge leaders like the Hawke family, T\u012Bwana Tibble, Puawai R\u0101meka, and others who have stayed true to the cause in the guidance of this waka. There are so many who have given their hearts to this journey that I think the best we can say is thank you, thank you, thank you to everyone who smiles when they think of today and the restoration and reclamation of mana for Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei. And this reclamation is evidenced in the eyes of the children. N\u014D mua ka kite a muri. The things behind us enable us to see the way forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EFor some years now, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei have displayed upward mobility in leadership, business, and family, and we all wish them well in all spheres leading into the future. To that end, I will finish with a Tainui proverb, as there is again a synergy with Tainui and Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua. This proverb goes to the children of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei. Kia hora te marino, kia whakapapa pounamu te moana, kia tere te k\u0101rohirohi i mua i t\u014Du huarahi. May the calm be widespread, may the ocean glisten like greenstone, and may the shimmer of many summers dance across your pathway. Kia kaha, kia toa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022 data-id=\u0022b6174de67ab9450ba9ea07f6b2a84b11\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b6174de67ab9450ba9ea07f6b2a84b11\u0022\u003EMAGGIE BARRY (National\u2014North Shore):\u003C/span\u003E E te Whare t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. E ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, te mana whenua o \u014Cr\u0101kei, kei te mihi atu i runga i te aroha. He tino mihi ki te wh\u0101nau Hawke. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E[Salutations, acknowledgments, and greetings to you all, the House. A loving tribute to you, the descendants of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, who hold jurisdiction over the land at \u014Cr\u0101kei, and a special welcome to the Hawke family.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EWarm greetings to the descendants of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, who have traditional authority over the land at \u014Cr\u0101kei. Special greetings to the leadership of Grant, to Sharon, and to Joe, and to the wider Hawke family, and to Ng\u0101rimu Blair and T\u012Bwana Tibble for their important roles. This has indeed been a very long time in coming, and I acknowledge those who have passed on. I t\u0113nei w\u0101 whakahirahira, ka huri ng\u0101 whakaaro ki ng\u0101 tini t\u014Dtara kua hinga atu, a T\u0101 Hugh K\u0101wharu, r\u0101tou ko Ruby Gray, ko Cyril Talbot m\u0101. He mihi aroha ki a r\u0101tou m\u0101 i whawhai m\u014D te kaupapa. Waiho r\u0101tou kia moe. At this important time our thoughts turn to the great t\u014Dtara who have fallen: Sir Hugh K\u0101wharu, Ruby Gray, Cyril Talbot, and others. Warm greetings to those who fought for the cause. Let them now rest. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EI stand to support this bill, the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei Claims Settlement Bill\u2014kei te t\u016B ake ahau ki te tautoko i t\u0113nei pire. I join with others who have sent their prayers and best wishes to Grant Hawke. Even though he is exhausted and has fainted today, when I spoke to him he was, as ever, cheerful and thinking of others. We send our best wishes and prayers for his speedy recovery. It has been a very long and hard battle, and the people of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei, although exhausted, have never wavered in their determination and in their resolve. Our congratulations go to them on this very special day, but they have paid a very high price for today\u2019s historic settlement, and I acknowledge that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EThe purpose of this bill is to give effect to the settlement of the deed entered into by the Crown and Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei. It is sponsored by the Hon Chris Finlayson, who continues, I think, to do a magnificent job of completing the work started by Sir Douglas Graham. If you judged the Hon Chris Finlayson by his achievements, I am certain that history will acknowledge that he is the most effective member and Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations this country has ever seen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EI had the privilege of witnessing the Minister\u2019s signature at the signing of the T\u0101maki Collective a couple of months ago, at the museum. In the time I have been involved with this settlement I have welcomed the wisdom and the very balanced approach of the Minister and also of the Crown\u2019s chief negotiator, Mike Dreaver, who has helped explain the detail of the settlement and helped the community on the North Shore to understand why the cultural and historical redress is so important and why it needed to happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003ESince we became the Government in 2008, National has signed 22 deeds of settlement, because we believe we need to resolve these historical issues. We need to do what is fair to right the wrongs of the past, so that we can leave the pain and the grievances behind us and move forward together as a nation. This John Key - led Government honours the partnership and the Treaty of Waitangi and, with tenacity and determination, has negotiated in good faith. This settlement focuses on the cultural and historical redresses and it forms the basis for the Crown\u2019s apology to Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EAs the member of Parliament for the North Shore for almost 1 year next week, I can tell all of those who are gathered here in the House today for the third reading of this bill that this settlement has been contentious locally, particularly in Devonport, as others have said. But looking back at the history, to 1840, following Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei\u2019s chiefs\u2019 signing of the Treaty of Waitangi, some 32 acres of land was transferred to the Crown, much of which was then onsold for a vast profit. Although that land allowed European settlers, there were too few benefits and too few protections to Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EAs others have said, almost all of their land was lost, and the once-proud tribe was impoverished and suffered terribly. I commend Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei for your patience and your very generous spirit throughout the long and frustrating decades of inaction, and then through the robust negotiations over some 13 years now that have led to today\u2019s historic settlement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EThe financial and commercial redress recognises the economic loss suffered because of the Crown\u2019s breaches of the Treaty. Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei, as the Minister has said, will receive $18 million plus interest. Using this and their own funds, they now assume the right to purchase two properties, and to purchase and lease back six more. This includes the Narrow Neck property, which is currently used by the Defence Force. It will be leased back to the Navy for a minimum of 15 years and for a maximum of up to 150 years. Public access to the land at Narrow Neck will continue to be available in exactly the same way as it is today. In fact, it will be improved, because the public walkway is now enshrined in legislation and will be available in perpetuity to everyone. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EI am very aware, as the member of Parliament for the North Shore, that some of the European settlers in Devonport have a very strong sense of connection to that land at Narrow Neck. It is an integral part of their traditions and of their community, and it is very special to them. Knowing how important that land is to so many, I invited all the concerned parties to k\u014Drero with Minister Finlayson at the end of March. On that Saturday morning in March some 500 people attended the meeting. The depth of feeling was very apparent, and there was robust questioning and discussion. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EAs the MP, I encouraged all of those with concerns to participate in the process and to make submissions to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. That committee received and considered 99 written submissions on the bill and heard 23 oral submissions at the \u014Cr\u0101kei Marae. As a result of that consultation, there were three amendments, and ultimately the committee unanimously supported the bill in its final form. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EWith today\u2019s final reading, this settlement passes into law. Although I acknowledge the depth of sentiment that some detractors have, I urge them to now put that aside and to draw a line in the sand and welcome Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei with open arms. I know from my meetings and my discussions with tribal members, and with members of the Hawke family in particular, that they are completely sincere in wanting to be active and constructive members of our community. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EFrom today, when this bill is passed into legislation, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei will become the biggest single landowners in Devonport. They will be great neighbours, and we are indeed fortunate to have them as part of our community, and to have them amongst us. My hope, as the local MP, is that the unity and the harmony that is expressed here today will continue on in the North Shore and will be very evident there. We do welcome you with all our hearts, and thank you for your forbearance, your determination, and your tenacity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EThis is a day I will never forget. This is an emotional time, made more poignant by Grant\u2019s collapse\u2014the man whom many call \u201CUncle\u201D. He is a remarkable individual, and somebody who has touched many of our hearts. It is symbolic that on this day he was affected by what happened. It is particularly poignant that such a strong and dedicated leader should have been taken to hospital to recover. We understand that he is there under observation. As I said earlier, our thoughts and prayers are with him, his family, and his wh\u0101nau. His resilience and determination and the wisdom and leadership he has shown I think set the tone to celebrate today\u2019s settlement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EI congratulate all of you on being here today and on making the journey in the buses\u2014a h\u012Bkoi of sorts. I know you stopped along the way. I thank you all for being here today and making this such a special occasion. N\u014D reira, ka mutu taku k\u014Drero m\u014D t\u0113nei w\u0101\u2014I have finished speaking for the time being. Ka tuku aroha ki a koutou o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei m\u014D ng\u0101 nawe me te mamae e ngau ana kai roto, me t\u016B kaha koutou kia oti pai ai. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E[I empathise with you of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei in respect of the imperfections and hurt that gnaw away inside. Stand staunch to ensure that you finish it well.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EI commend this bill to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022 data-id=\u00229f65e89c01f34eada046d76e39a84eb0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229f65e89c01f34eada046d76e39a84eb0\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Speaker. E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, rau rangatira m\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. Ng\u0101 mihi ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei. Kia ora, Matua Joe. Kia ora to Alec, to Grant, to Sharon, to the entire Hawke wh\u0101nau, to Danny\u2014anyone else, Pare?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d52e59e3-2195-4c95-a654-665c11b39b63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022197398097931463c9e202134249973d3\u0022\u003EHon Parekura Horomia\u003C/span\u003E: No, that\u2019s covered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4ccfdf3dc234291bb06d308b8949ec5\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL\u003C/span\u003E: That is about it\u2014other than everybody who is here today and all the rangatahi, especially, who are here today. Today is a celebration. I am very proud to be in the House today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI actually want to begin my k\u014Drero with a quote from Grant Pakihana Hawke, who is the chair of the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei M\u0101ori Trust Board. Before I say that, I do want to acknowledge previous trust board chairs Sir Hugh K\u0101wharu and Ruby Hinemoa Gray. To quote Matua Grant, from your strategic plan 2011-12: \u201CNg\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei are resilient yet humble people, with the unique advantage of having mana whenua in the largest city in Aotearoa. We have navigated our way through adversity, continually faced political challenges and yet we are still here, still claiming our stake in this world and forever striving to honour the moemoe\u0101 of our tupuna.\u201D I am really proud to be here as the MP for Manurewa. I am on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and I want to mihi to our chair, the Hon Tau Henare, and my fellow M\u0101ori Affairs Committee members. I want to mihi to the Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs. This is an area where there is consensus in the House. We are trying the hardest we can, as the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, to resolve all our Treaty settlements. This is a very proud day, not only for Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei. As Grant said this morning, this is your day, this your time, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI also want to acknowledge the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua: Te T\u0101\u014D\u016B, Ng\u0101 Oho, and Te Uringutu. I particularly want to quote again from your strategic plan and \u201CHe moemoe\u0101: te pai me te whai rawa o T\u0101maki!\u201D. This is from your strategic plan: \u201CIn the year 2030, 5000 descendants of Tuperiri live on the papakainga and contribute to tribal life \u2026 The papakainga is self-sufficient. We sell electricity back to the national grid due to all the solar panels and wind turbines in use. We collect and use rainwater. We produce very little waste as the resource recovery depot allows wh\u0101nau to trade their compost for worms for their own gardens. Many wh\u0101nau have built their own whare while others are happy to rent off the tribe \u2026 Our land is tax-free. Most of our whenua has regenerating ngahere on the reserve land and in between buildings. The bird-song is now louder than the traffic on Tamaki Drive! In between their bowls and dart competitions, our elders hold regular w\u0101nanga for the up and coming kai k\u014Drero and leaders. They go en masse to tangi and important hui in Kaipara, Tauranga, Waikato, Rarotonga, Tahiti and Hawaii to represent the hap\u016B and maintain our economic and spiritual ties.\u201D These are the dreams and aspirations of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, and this settlement is only part of the how.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E I want to highlight the loss of land that Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei has had. In 1840, at the Treaty of Waitangi signing, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei tribal lands totalled 77,997 acres. In 1855, a mere 15 years post colonisation, 700 acres remained in Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei hands. That is 0.9 percent of your original tribal ancestral lands. By 1927 that had become 12.5 acres, which represents 0.016 percent of your tribal lands. To put the Devonport settlement into perspective, the 7.9 acres that you have paid for represent 0.01 percent of your original tribal lands. How incredibly generous of you to settle for that amount of land, so on behalf of all of us here I want to say thank you. And I want to reiterate the words of Maggie Barry that the people of Aotearoa, the people of T\u0101maki-makau-rau, and the people of Devonport actually should look to you for leadership and look to you for a path forward. I want to acknowledge the generosity not only of spirit but of the leadership that you now have within T\u0101maki-makau-rau as the mana whenua for where we are today. Kia ora and thank you very much. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI want to just quickly look at your history of protest. Right throughout the colonisation period you have fought and your t\u016Bpuna have fought for your rights. You have fought to get your lands back through the courts, through whatever mechanisms were available to you. Other people have spoken about what happened in 1951, and it is quite poignant, really, with Prince Charles being in Aotearoa, that in 1951 you were booted up Boot Hill, which is what I knew it to be when I first moved to T\u0101maki-makau-rau. The fact that your houses were burnt down, that you lost your ability to live on your own lands, is actually a dark day in our history, but, again, it shows how resilient you are. In 1976, when the Crown attempted to sell the last 60 acres at \u014Cr\u0101kei, it was Joseph Parata Hawke and the wh\u0101nau of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua who stood strong for 506 days, with the collaboration of many other people. I think we should acknowledge that that protest also included P\u0101keh\u0101, it included union members, and it included anybody actually who believed in social justice. They stood side by side with you, because they acknowledged that as people of Aotearoa there was a great injustice being perpetuated on Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei. I particularly want to acknowledge Alec and Miro, because they lost their daughter Joannee, and it does bring me to tears when I think about that fact, that actually blood has been spilt on Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua\u2019s journey to where we are today. The memorial that is there on Takaparawhau for her is a wonderful thing, so I just want to acknowledge that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI have been interested in what Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei have decided are their strategic priorities. What do you want to achieve now that you are going to get a little bit of p\u016Btea? You are going to get a capital base so that you can look at meeting the needs of your wh\u0101nau. I was really interested in your five strategic priorities. No. 1 is about wh\u0101nau. It is about Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei ora, whatever that means for you. It means that you are ng\u0101 wh\u0101 ng\u0101 mana n\u0101u. You want to be healthy. You want to be educated. You want to be housed. I just want to note that you have a heat-pump scheme, which is pretty cool. You want to make sure that your wh\u0101nau live in healthy, warm homes. The second principle is kotahitanga. The third principle is whenua. The fourth principle is whai m\u0101ia. The fifth principle is whai rawa. So, for me, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua are well and truly on a path for ensuring that you will provide the opportunities for your tamariki mokopuna in the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI just want to end and quote again from your submission. This is your day. In conclusion, I quote: \u201Cthe settlement provides Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei with the ability to again have a rightful place in T\u0101maki. The cultural redress is very important in this. The ability to purchase the land from the Crown gives us the opportunity over time to buy back some small part of our rohe and so enhance the economic \u2026 benefits, which will flow from that to all members of our hapu. We see the settlement as a strong statement by the wider community in Tamaki, that they acknowledge Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei belong here and are an integral part of the fabric of T\u0101maki.\u201D Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022 data-id=\u0022ba1094e52c1b40a1b933f72a79f13df8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ba1094e52c1b40a1b933f72a79f13df8\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: We come now to two split calls. It will be National and Mana, then Mana and Labour.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022 data-id=\u002276436d12403a45dd8841455e625a9328\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002276436d12403a45dd8841455e625a9328\u0022\u003EPeseta SAM LOTU-IIGA (National\u2014Maungakiekie):\u003C/span\u003E Ki a koutou e te wh\u0101nau o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua kua tae mai m\u014D t\u0113nei r\u0101 whakanui i a t\u0101tou, nei r\u0101 taku mihi aroha nui ki a koutou katoa. Ko t\u0113nei e t\u016B ake nei, te mema P\u0101remata m\u014D te Maungakiekie \u0113ngari, he hononga an\u014D mai i ng\u0101 waka i tae mai i Hawaiki. N\u014D reira, he h\u014Dnore m\u0101ku ki te mihi atu ki a koutou, ki a t\u0101tou, me te tautoko m\u014D \u0113nei wh\u0101inga. T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Joe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E[To you, the family of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua who have arrived here for this day that will exalt us, here then is my welcome of great love to you all. I stand before you not only as a member of Parliament for Maungakiekie but also with connections to the canoes that arrived here from Hawaiki. And so, it is indeed an honour for me to extend a welcome to you and to us collectively, and to offer support for these objectives. Hello there, Joe.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge every child, every mother, every father, and every individual who has come down here to celebrate this special day. I also want to acknowledge those back home in Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua who could not be here today, but equally share the joy that we here in Parliament will celebrate on this momentous occasion. I also acknowledge those who have passed on, those who were not able to witness this day. I remember them, as we all do, and many have been named in this Chamber this morning. Also, I want to send a message out to Grant Hawke. We know you are a strong man and our prayers will continue to be with you as you come back. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EIt is a privilege that I speak as the member of Parliament for Maungakiekie, where many of the people of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei live, where many of them work, and where many of them play. Although I am not a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, which heard submissions, I stand here to support both Ministers Sharples and Finlayson in this Government. It is a Government that is committed to recognising, addressing, and correcting the wrongs of the past, and especially to strengthening the bonds and relationships between the Crown, M\u0101ori, and others like myself who have come lately, into the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EAs I said, today is momentous because we move to resolve some of the historical issues that have been addressed here today, so that we can move forward as a country in Aotearoa New Zealand\u2014iwi, hap\u016B, and the Crown. We want to build a bolder, a brighter, and a better future for our kids and our grandkids. Much of the history of the grievance has already been laid out quite eloquently today, and I will not get into that given the time constraints. But the benefits and protection that Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei had anticipated from their initial engagement with the Crown following the signing of Te Tiriti o Waitangi were not always realised, and we know that. Despite promises of a land base for the future, almost all their land was lost. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EAs a witness to the deed of settlement not only for the T\u0101maki Collective earlier on this year but also for this particular deed, I am proud that it has come to this peaceful and joyous conclusion. This settlement focuses on the cultural, the historical, and, some would say\u2014as my colleague Brendan Horan said\u2014also the spiritual, and includes Crown acknowledgments that form the basis for a Crown apology to Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei. My hope and prayer is that this settlement goes some way to address those grievances of the past. My prayer and my hopes are that the children and the grandchildren of those executing this settlement will prosper and gain from the settlement in a way that their ancestors were not able to do. My hope is that the settlement will enhance the efforts of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei to improve education and learning outcomes, to promote healthy living, and to drive economic and business growth for the benefit of their wh\u0101nau. My prayer is that they will continue to be the beacon up on that hill that was a place of such conflict and division in the past. As the local MP it is my wish and my petition that a tree also be returned to Maungakiekie as a sign of our peace and of unity and of love.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EHe r\u0101 whakahirahira t\u0113nei kia whakatuwhera i ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga o ng\u0101 whakatipuranga e heke mai, kia pu\u0101wai ng\u0101 wawata o ng\u0101 t\u012Bpuna. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E[This is a magnificent day that will open up opportunities for generations to come so that what the ancestors dreamed of will bear fruit.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EThank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022 data-id=\u0022ef322a22634341c794f64017650e2972\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ef322a22634341c794f64017650e2972\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I call Hone Harawira\u201410 minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022 data-id=\u0022caa39531f54341d1805fe32abc333c43\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022caa39531f54341d1805fe32abc333c43\u0022\u003EHONE HARAWIRA (Leader\u2014Mana):\u003C/span\u003E Hoi an\u014D e te mema P\u0101remata o Takaparawh\u0101, ki a koe e Joe, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ki a koe an\u014D hoki e Grant\u2014kei konei? K\u0101o! Hakoa kei hea koe e huna ana, e m\u014Dhio ana au e whakarongo mai ana, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. E hoa, koutou an\u014D r\u0101 e \u014Dku tini whanaunga i haere tawhiti mai i \u014Cr\u0101kei i t\u0113nei r\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Huri atu, huri noa, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E[And so to you there, Joe, member of Parliament for Takaparawh\u0101, greetings. To you as well, Grant\u2014is he here? No! Regardless where you might be hiding, I know that you are listening. Hello there. Oh shucks, you as well, my many, many relatives who came from far away \u014Cr\u0101kei today, acknowledgments and congratulations to you collectively. Thank you to us all throughout and all around.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EToday is a very special day for Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua ki \u014Cr\u0101kei. Today is your day. Although normally I am happy to speak off the cuff whenever I am out in public, today I refer to my notes because I want to enter into the parliamentary record just a few of the many special memories I will always have of Bastion Point. Joe said I had to start with the \u014Cr\u0101kei M\u0101ori Action Committee, which happened to have been led by Joe Hawke, Grant, Roger, Mike, and Colin, who ran the biggest-ever M\u0101ori land occupation in our history and had the truly unenviable task of trying to hold together the wildly divergent and often demented ravings of Albanian-aligned communists, Trotskyist socialists, Stalinist hard-liners, Mao Tse-tung fanatics, Christians and atheists, vegans and vegetarians, guys straight out of jail, kids straight out of school, housewives, farmers, and M\u0101oris who had never done anything like this before, P\u0101keh\u0101s who had never worked with M\u0101oris before, all of our brothers and sisters of the Pacific, and Aboriginals and Native Americans, musicians and lawyers, singers and actors, and labourers and doctors\u2014such was the ever-changing family of Bastion Point. So those are the guys at the front. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EBehind the scenes, of course, Patu, Rene, and Rachel made sure the action committee did what they told it to do. Old man Eddie Hawke quietly made sure all the real work got done, while the chiefs were pontificating and the young bloods were preening; Auntie Piupiu, Auntie Haup\u012B, and all the kuia who kept us safe; Sharon, Kataraina, Mei-Meri, Betty Sio, and Linda Tanoa\u2019i, the girls from Auckland Girls\u2019 Grammar School, who had come straight to the Point, still in their school uniforms; Joannee, and a life ended all too soon; John Denver coming up to jam with the locals, and all the other bands that gave us joy, getting blasted every night by Willie Wilson, the little man with the big voice. I was going to say big mouth, but he would probably hear about it and come and bash me. Willie Wilson, who was a hard-line communist back in the day, is now a preacher for the Lord. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EWhile I am talking about preachers, there was Tom H\u0113rangi, the pistol-packing preacher from Tainui, and of course Matt Tarawa, the singing Mormon who liked to belt out \u201CMy Way\u201D, but his way. He was always dragging his poor kids up on the stage, to sing and help raise money for the occupation. I recall one of the women coming out of the toilets one night, and shining a spotlight on the cops who were trying to crawl into the camp, and screaming at them to \u201Ceff off\u201D, and everyone watching these silly policemen scatter down the hill like rabbits, tripping over themselves in the dark, and being hounded by the raucous laughter from all the men, and dire predictions from all the women. That image of Ama Rauhihi up on the watchtower, with Rangitoto in the background; Aussie Bob and his pushbike generator; David Williams and his incredibly boring legal dissertations\u2014kia ora, David\u2014Diane Prince, winner of the Bastion Point porridge competition; Dilworth, Sam, Rex, and all the rest of the rat patrol for their hilarious night-time antics guarding the Point and teasing the cops; Tame Iti, T\u012Btewhai Harawira, Syd Jackson, Betty Williams, Dun M\u012Bhaka, Eva Rickard\u2014teachers you could not help but learn from and teachers you did not dare disagree with. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EAnd Tim Shadbolt\u2014what a guy\u2014the man with the million-dollar smile and a million different stories, gallantly defending his niece one dark night, and being handed a blade and challenged to fight for his life and her honour. Tim will be for ever grateful to Zena Tamanui for stepping in and slapping down her bloodthirsty relations from the north. There was K\u012Bngi Tangir\u0101 from K\u0101retu, a true bender of reality, with so many stories about his life that if you added them all together, he would have had to have been 127 years old. And, of course, with Zena the rest of Whakahau, the effervescent, witty, and intelligent young Polynesians from \u014Ctara, quick with a smile and quicker with a song; Jimmy O\u2019Dea, the stubborn Irishman from Kupe Street, with an accent and a commitment to justice that have never been bent over the years. Here is one\u2014Sonny Waru, and his k\u014Drero \u201CThe Tempestuous Winds of Circumstance\u201D. It used to kill me whenever he got up to talk like that. Also, Meret\u0101 Mita and her Bastion Point Day 507 documentary, and Doc\u2014I never really got to know what his real name was\u2014and that little yap-yap of his, Bastion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E And I remember on the day of the arrest, Roger Fowler was up on the roof of the whare with his megaphone telling everyone to stay calm, and Bastion running around behind him the roof, yapping his head off. I remember marching into town for our court cases with Alec and having to tell everyone to get off the footpath, we march on the road. I remember listening to Ben Dalton blister the courtroom with a heavy, heavy k\u014Drero in M\u0101ori and laughing at the judge demanding a translation from a shocked and shaken and red-faced translator\u2014Vapi Kupenga it was, who simply could not bring herself to give the true translation and simply stammered: \u201CAh, ah, I think he is pleading not guilty, Your Honour.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EI remember Hone Kaa, for driving his congregation crazy when he used to let us come and stay at T\u0101tai Hono while the court cases were on. I remember jamming up the courthouse with hundreds of defendants and hundreds more supporters, and driving the courts mad with our chanting and our singing and our hakas, and forcing them to throw most of the charges out. I remember standing on the picket line outside Mt Eden Prison to see our brother have to come out, because his snoring was driving the whole remand wing crazy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua ki \u014Cr\u0101kei, koutou kua tae mai i t\u0113nei r\u0101. You have done so much in such a very short time for so many and today you carry the hopes and dreams not only for your mokopuna but also for the tens of thousands of urban M\u0101ori who look to you for a lead in how to act in T\u0101maki-makau-rau. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EOn behalf of those who are privileged to be there in support of your stand, on behalf of a generation who are seeking a place in this crazy world, on behalf of the 222 who got arrested on 25 May 1978, and those like Hilda and Sharon who got arrested again and again and again in support of our kaupapa, I say thank you. It was through your actions in occupying Bastion Point, the stand you took in reclaiming that place we later came to know as Takaparawh\u0101 and then Takaparawhau, the commitment you made to win back your land and the heavy, heavy losses that you sustained, and that nobody else will ever feel as deeply as those of you who call \u014Cr\u0101kei home\u2014it is from all of that that we drew strength and energy and knowledge and courage to carry the fight for land rights to other places in Aotearoa and to other lands throughout the world. Bastion Point was the haven and the heart of Polynesia\u2019s largest city and our classroom in M\u0101ori Politics 101. And who can forget Shadbolt and his wonderful poem: \u201CHey you, you who spend 5 minutes voting every 3 years and call it democracy. Have you got 5 minutes to spare to hear the story of our home? It\u2019s called\u201D\u2014and Tim thought it was\u2014\u201CArohanui.\u201D Dismantled out at Wiri, trucked to the Point by staunch unionists, and rebuilt as a whare as real warmth and shelter with all the humble little dwellings around her, a marae that lived and breathed 24 hours a day and sometimes more\u2014Arohanui saw the birth of some, sheltered the pain and joy of many, and provided a final resting place for Joannee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EAnd you, e te wh\u0101nau o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua ki \u014Cr\u0101kei, you gave us a chance to learn and to teach, to challenge and to be challenged, to cop flak and to come back for more, to sing together and to cry together, and today you have come to this House, to reclaim a very, very small part of your history. Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua ki \u014Cr\u0101kei, today in honour of those who have passed on, and those of you who are left to carry on the struggle, today we thank you, today we honour you, and today we wish you strength for the many years to come. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EE tika ana te k\u014Drero o te waiata.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003E[What the song is on about is correct.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227883c85e-a5bb-4a12-9962-80df55af0ecd\u0022\u003EWe are the people of the land, through troubled times we will stand, the sun will shine through cloudy skies, and brighten our pathway as we unite for our land. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022 data-id=\u00225cfb420f3f1c478cbbd6e21e7eca90c9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225cfb420f3f1c478cbbd6e21e7eca90c9\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Shane Jones\u20145 minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u0022c5120fdb064040f98b822d059c8c6e20\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c5120fdb064040f98b822d059c8c6e20\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Only 5? Poto noa ake t\u0113nei t\u016B. Tautoko i ng\u0101 kupu kua puakina hei whakanui i t\u0113nei rangi m\u014D ng\u0101 uri a Tuperiri. He p\u0113nei te k\u014Drero. T\u0101 Tuperiri, ko Tarahawaiki me tana kuia i roto o Wai\u014Dhua, a Mokorua, ka puta ko Apihai Te Kawau, koutou katoa ng\u0101 uri a Tuperiri, ng\u0101 maramara a Ng\u0101 Oho, Te Uringutu, Te T\u0101\u014D\u016B i roto i te karanga \u0101-iwi a Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua ki \u014Cr\u0101kei. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[This stand is but a short one. I endorse the words that have been disclosed today about the relatives of Tuperiri. The talk goes like this. Tuperiri begat Tarahawaiki, who through his elderly woman from Wai\u014Dhua, Mokorua, gave birth to Apihai Te Kawau, and, as a consequence, all of you, the descendants of Tuperiri, the bits and pieces of Ng\u0101 Oho, Te Uringutu, Te T\u0101\u014D\u016B within the tribal calling of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua at \u014Cr\u0101kei, came to be. Salutations, acknowledgments, and congratulations to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EIt is 100 years since 1912, when this House was petitioned by \u014Ctene Paora to address the iniquity, the erosion and loss of land and mana of people of the three hap\u016B I have referred to in Te Reo M\u0101ori: Te T\u0101\u014D\u016B, Te Uringutu, me Ng\u0101 Oho, otherwise known in modern M\u0101ori parlance as Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua ki \u014Cr\u0101kei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThat it is in this particular year that this Treaty event is taking place is a reminder of how long the road has been for this section of Te Ao M\u0101ori to address what originated from the visit of Te Kawau\u2019s son to my area in Ng\u0101puhi with the suggestion that the Crown move to a more tranquil area other than the Bay of Islands, and into Waitemat\u0101. It was a grand gesture driven in itself by a prophecy, but, unfortunately, as the fangs of colonialism, etc., sank into T\u0101maki-makau-rau, our relations have ended up with only a small part of their original estate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI remember in 1977, after Hone Harawira had left St Stephen\u2019s School and it was a far better place, going with some of the Hawke wh\u0101nau and being received at Takaparawh\u0101\u2014Bastion Point. St Stephen\u2019s School was a somewhat conservative place, judged by the quality of rugby and occasional oratory, and I think the name of the kaum\u0101tua with the long, grey hair might have been Eddie Hawke, n\u0101na ng\u0101 kupu whakatau. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EHe was the one who welcomed us, and despite my very strong Croatian credentials, I was the orator for St Stephen\u2019s School, to be told by Colin Clark: \u201CYou kids at that St Stephen\u2019s School, you need to hang out with us more often. Then you\u2019ll learn to be real M\u0101oris.\u201D Unfortunately, we went there one night and came back with a black eye, so it was not a place for the faint-hearted, but to all the wh\u0101nau whom Hone has referred to, the pathway ahead is clear. The super-city is large and formidable. Leave the pouwhenua of indigeneity in every corner of the super-city\u2019s existence. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EDo not surrender to the growing power of ethnic diversity unless you are absolutely confident that our indigenous identity, our language, and our heritage are respected by all. Aotearoa is now definitely a matarau place, a place of many faces, but there is one Treaty, and our t\u016Bpuna, with the Crown, ensured that our M\u0101ori identity, culture, language, and legacy must not be wiped out. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u00220443e739daf049bf824fc2000d203e9b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220443e739daf049bf824fc2000d203e9b\u0022\u003ELOUISE UPSTON (National\u2014Taup\u014D):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te Mana Whakaw\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koe e te Whare. Rau rangatira m\u0101, t\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou i runga i te kaupapa. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou ng\u0101 rangatira o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E[Thanks to you, Mr Speaker, and the House. I extend this tribute to you collectively, leaders of a hundredfold, on this proposal. Congratulations to the leaders of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua of \u014Cr\u0101kei, well done, well done, and congratulations to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EI am immensely humble and proud to be the final speaker in this part of our history. The third reading of any Treaty bill really is a momentous occasion that each and every one of us as New Zealanders should celebrate. I stand here before you as the proud member of Parliament for the Taup\u014D electorate, but I have spent more than half of my life in Auckland\u2014as the Hon Tau Henare said, in Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua country. I cannot quite claim, as he did, that I was born in \u014Ctara, but I can claim that Rangitoto Island was the maunga that I looked to as my place of grounding as I grew up in T\u0101maki-makau-rau. I am also a proud member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. So I am very pleased to have been on this part of the very final part of the journey with you in reaching this settlement. I want to acknowledge Joe Hawke on the floor of the House, just as I want to offer my prayers and support for Grant Hawke, who was with us in this Whare earlier and is healing at the moment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EOne of the things that I have to say is quite challenging as a P\u0101keh\u0101 member of Parliament on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee is getting a depth of understanding of the journey of the tangata whenua. So I am not going to stand before you and be trite and say that I have any ounce of understanding. But what I do commit to my colleagues in this House is that I will spend every moment that I can deepening my knowledge, learning the history, and sharing that with as many New Zealanders as I can. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EI was only 7 when that battle took place at Bastion Point. Unfortunately, or fortunately, I was, as a young child, fascinated with politics, so I took probably a much stronger interest in what happened in those days than many of my age. I think the thing that stood out for me was that it was a collection of New Zealanders against another collection of New Zealanders. Yes, it was your iwi, it was your people leading that fight, but actually it became much broader than that. I think one of the things that really disturbed me at that age was the level of anger that two groups of what I, possibly naively, saw as New Zealanders could have against one another. I do have to say it left quite an impression on me, even at that age. Even just Monday last week I spoke at a meeting in my electorate, and you can probably imagine some of the conversations that come up from time to time in terms of \u201CWhy are we doing these Treaty settlements?\u201D. I guess the thing that bothers me is the lack of understanding of your history, of the history of iwi up and down New Zealand. That is why I have made a point of trying to encourage people to learn more.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E I said to the group of people whom I spoke to at that public meeting that every single bill in this House is available for people to watch on the internet. I challenge them to watch these speeches of the third readings today, because if you were ever to spend an hour and a half or 2 hours of your time doing that, you would get the best opportunity\u2014absolutely the best opportunity\u2014with the collection of speeches from every corner of this House, to at least have some better knowledge of what has gone on in the past that needs to be completed and acknowledged before we can move forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EI am enormously proud of Ministers Sharples and Finlayson, but particularly Minister Finlayson. I have had some of the most memorable times as a member of Parliament with him, being witness to a Crown apology. And, again, I think it is just so important that as many members of the community as possible participate in some of these defining moments, because they are part of our history. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EI read that in the 1950s your marae was burnt down. Mangakino is part of my electorate. The marae there was torched only 5 years ago. I got, admittedly, only a very small sense from Pouakani of just how gutting that is. You know, for some it is a building\u2014big deal. But actually I know that to tangata whenua it is so much more than that. So I am really excited to be going to the reopening of the Pouakani Marae in Mangakino on Saturday, because I know for people in that community that they have not had a place to connect, to combine, and to be together as wh\u0101nau. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EThere is an enormous amount of work that goes on to get to a day like today, and my colleagues have acknowledged many things. But one of the things that I do want to just reflect on is the select committee process. There have been some conversations about the views of others who opposed parts of the bill. That is why we have a select committee process. I actually think that the fact that people have an opposing view is the opportunity for people to learn more, and the public meeting that was referred to earlier, which Minister Finlayson led, I see that\u2014so there is a misunderstanding; there is a conflict, but sort of discussion and the select committee process actually allows the ability for people to have a better knowledge than when they started. They might still not agree, they are entitled to their own views, and we will all have an opinion about what their views are. But then when we come together and as a select committee make agreements\u2014and we are here today for the celebration of your signing\u2014I think it is helpful that there are alternative views from time to time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EThere are some Treaty bills that we do not have any submissions against, at all. This was not one of those, but I do not think that it takes away from the importance of this agreement because I think that through that conflict there is a willingness to reach a resolution, and through that resolution there is a better understanding. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003ESo I just want to conclude by saying that it is fantastic to see a range of generations in the gallery today. I want to acknowledge that there have been generations of those past, and I know that they are also with us in spirit. But these settlements are about the generations to come\u2014those who are not here yet\u2014because I think that is the importance of days like today and the conclusion of yet another Treaty settlement. It is a day for generations of all New Zealanders to come together\u2014reflecting on the words of the Minister\u2014where we can go forward together with unity and optimism. N\u014D reira, kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 12.45 p.m. (Thursday)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20121114a1ee62da8a48494a98f79569ee73fce5000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"