"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e952f15657134c48bc851acc4ac250c8\u0022\u003EWednesday, 5 June 2013\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e672df51051842f19ab5f23e64cfc353\u0022\u003EWednesday, 5 June 2013\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000002\u0022\u003EMr Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022574782d74bed4deaa60b6492d29d9072\u0022\u003EPoints of Order\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225e871f36ff914511aac60dee4b99dd46\u0022\u003EElectoral Act\u2014Registration and Recognition of Political Parties\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002200d8335975724c8182dd4a651ca7da09\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002200d8335975724c8182dd4a651ca7da09\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I would like to refer you to the Standing Orders Committee report 2011, and, in particular, the new Standing Orders 34 and 35, which go to the recognition of parties. I will be relatively brief, because I know it will be a matter you are thinking about and you may want to come back to. Standing Order 34(1) goes to the registration of parties and the requirement for them to be registered. Standing Order 34(2) goes to members who cease to be members of a party for which they were originally elected. I tend to say the mirror image of that would be members of Parliament who become members of parties that are no longer registered under the Electoral Act. But, really, the most important Standing Order here is Standing Order 35, and under 35(1)(c) a party must inform the Speaker of its parliamentary membership. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EIt has become apparent through the news media that the United Future party no longer is a party registered under the Electoral Act. It is my submission to you that there is an obligation on Mr Dunne to inform you of that and then for you to inform the House of that, because there are flow-on things that happen to do with the order of the House, like questions and other matters. It may be that the National Party can cover Mr Dunne as far as his front-bench seat is concerned. That is something that it can grant in terms of one of its spots. But my request is how you are proceeding with this matter, which has the potential to be a matter of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022bef2230f45274ef9a75dfdd1bddbd72a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bef2230f45274ef9a75dfdd1bddbd72a\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E The Hon Trevor Mallard raises an obviously interesting and topical point. You will recall that these changes were made to the Standing Orders at the conclusion of the last Parliament and were trying to tidy up circumstances that had come about through preceding Parliaments, most notably the Parliament between 1999 and 2002. It seems to me that when you are making your considerations around these matters, it is Standing Order 34(1) that needs to be most focused on, where it does appear to have quite a bit of clarity at the present time by stating that if a person is elected at a preceding general election or any subsequent by-election under a party banner, then that party is entitled to be recognised. What I think the rest of it does is try to work out what happens if there are groups of MPs who defect from their party, as we saw between 1993 and 1996 and then again between 1999 and 2002, and form into new groupings and then desire to be recognised by the House. The condition then would be that there is a party formed outside the House recognised by the Electoral Commission. I think the salient point is that if a party has MPs coming into the House and is recognised because they were registered prior to the election where those people were returned to the House, then that would seem to me to prevail for the entire term of the Parliament. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00224f2d0608bdbf4cceba896400d75f3b50\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224f2d0608bdbf4cceba896400d75f3b50\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E To the member\u2014I mean, I agree with the background. The unsatisfactory position when the Alliance broke up, I think, caused this, although there were some New Zealand First defectors where there was not quite the same problem. But we did have previously what might be described as a \u201Cdon\u2019t ask, don\u2019t tell\u201D policy, and what this did in Standing Order 35(1) was to place a requirement on the member to inform you of a change in circumstances, and my submission is that Mr Dunne should have done that already.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022381f70ed46624126ac957f3774afc7fc\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f680556c6dc47c79d97ce3c1d43dfd2\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I will hear briefly from the Hon Trevor Mallard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u002220eeef6eab7642b0885f36cadde3c26f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002220eeef6eab7642b0885f36cadde3c26f\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I would prefer if you called me Gerry Brownlee, actually.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7dd5cb962124193a3c0133aa0f8e39d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry\u2014I withdraw and apologise, absolutely and immediately! I hope I will be forgiven.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224eae51cbae6f48c79704996467080675\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE\u003C/span\u003E: There are some identity crises I would willingly engage in, but that is not one of them. The point made by the Hon Trevor Mallard was that there was at the conclusion of the Parliament that ended in 1999 a breakup of the New Zealand First Party, and there was also a breakup of the Alliance during that time, and there were, in the end, some 17 independent MPs who had their votes cast vote by vote\u2014a most interesting situation. Although there were a number of parties that were formed out of that that contested the 1999 general election, the real point is that a party has to be registered prior to an election to be recognised for parliamentary purposes in Parliament, and you would assume that that would continue for the period that the party was elected. That is my simple point.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u002206c4bcf30d9b48dcb351b0695ccaef17\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002206c4bcf30d9b48dcb351b0695ccaef17\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E With respect\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022699c1479d4b74c64b3fa514bf5282ce2\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, real experience.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4f97639018646e4a3b55e673b9c608e\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, well, experience is important. First of all, there was, of course, a significant desertion from the National Party between 1993 and 1996, but I do not want to labour on that. My real point is that Mr Gerry Brownlee\u2019s proposition is certainly not a meritorious one. It has the same effect of somebody holding a passport whose country ceases to exist. That person becomes Stateless. If a party member in here no longer has a party that is outside there under the Electoral Act, then he ceases to be a leader of that political party. Mr Brownlee is asking you to say that something is set in stone as of the last election day. I think, sadly for Mr Brownlee, because he usually tries to be informed in these matters, he is wrong this time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022 data-id=\u0022e23f7a6157a044d2a63111fe20b92225\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e23f7a6157a044d2a63111fe20b92225\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I thank all three members for their contributions. For the first time, a party that is recognised under the Standing Orders has ceased to be registered under the Electoral Act 1993. Recognition and registration are quite different things. Registration concerns the general membership of a political party; recognition concerns the parliamentary membership of a party. In general, the House is not concerned with the membership of political parties; it concerns itself with parliamentary membership of parties that are recognised for parliamentary purposes. But since 2011, the Standing Orders have required a party in whose interest a member was elected at a general election or a subsequent by-election to be registered under Part 4 of the Electoral Act 1993 if it is to be recognised by the Speaker for parliamentary purposes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EWhere public funds are involved, there needs to be transparency and accountability. There needs to be some certainty about the arrangements behind a party that seeks to be recognised for parliamentary purposes. This is what the requirement for registration under the Electoral Act achieves. The United Future party was recognised at the commencement of this Parliament. Parties are recognised by informing the Speaker of their leadership, office holders, and memberships, and any changes thereto. As of yesterday, I have written to Mr Dunne concerning the ongoing registration of the United Future party, and I will await a response to that letter before I further consider the matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e47eaa4054b84dbd8f3ce36f5d0a8aa8\u0022\u003EMotions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220f95906b1ddb435da87567193cebd5ab\u0022\u003ERome Statute of the International Criminal Court\u2014Ratification of Kampala Amendment\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022 data-id=\u002215c5eb60b3154aca9d0668ec20d188d6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002215c5eb60b3154aca9d0668ec20d188d6\u0022\u003EDr KENNEDY GRAHAM (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to move a motion without notice and without debate to note Germany\u2019s ratification of the amendment to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and to move that New Zealand become one of the founding 30 ratifying countries needed in order to implement this amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223aee96348a974802acad0fbf162afdc6\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to move that motion. Is there any objection? There is none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f116f06dcf443f5bb2dc1b3beccbb3d\u0022\u003EDr KENNEDY GRAHAM\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That this House note Germany\u2019s ratification of the amendment to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court adopted in Kampala in 2010 accepting the criminalisation of acts of aggression arising from the illegal use of force in international relations, note that this brings the number of States parties ratifying the Kampala amendment to six, and urge that New Zealand move to become one of the founding 30 ratifying countries needed by 2017 in order to implement this amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292557bd5-0e66-473c-a6df-7d108e7822e3\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022da2a83a1f305464eaa0d119dd37e0709\u0022\u003EQuestions for Oral Answer\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223b622e22f0a54d20be74ff379d1a73a3\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224c8f93b51d2649e099f42bb8c698d566\u0022\u003EInformation Security\u2014Government Agencies and Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022 data-id=\u0022990d10969ef24ce8add0f15422a2c8b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022990d10969ef24ce8add0f15422a2c8b9\u0022\u003EDAVID SHEARER (Leader of the Opposition)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he have confidence in all his Ministers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022 data-id=\u00224dffaf59768a44ff81707e05fbaffab8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224dffaf59768a44ff81707e05fbaffab8\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb51634bd0404d49984ff2db1c0b7f37\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: Does he have confidence in himself, given that on 26 March in this House he said that privacy breaches were inevitable and a result of human error with regard to our Government agencies, yet the Government Chief Information Officer\u2019s review that he received in December last year showed there was systemic failure?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e14450923feb4540b125c41119f5a00f\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: To quote the Deputy Prime Minister: \u201CHe\u2019s never been short of that.\u201D\u2014\u201Che\u201D being me, of course.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224880713007dd4d9aa546754c475e918a\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: I do not think I got an answer. Why\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227bcaf004c7e4e5d9cb96e53c8f87460\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Supplementary question, David Shearer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222507395dd14c4f65b0efb15be83fc010\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: Why, when he had already received a report into privacy breaches and had a Cabinet discussion on the report, did he continue to mislead the public that there were no systemic failures of Government information systems?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d3d1b3ba6f54cbfb300bc3178e3f790\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: I did not. If the member is talking about the Government Chief Information Officer\u2019s report that has been released, it looked at public-interfacing systems, of which there were 215 across 70 agencies, in which there were 12 breaches. What that also showed was that that is quite a different issue, actually, from someone making a simple human error and mistake like sending an email with the wrong address.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278b040ddf9b6452f9415a065e2d20fee\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: Does the report into privacy breaches show that 87 percent of public sector agencies have no formal security certification and accreditation processes and 73 percent have no formal security policy; if so, does he not think that is a little beyond human error and actually amounts to systemic failure right across our Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c78f8e20900545cda19eafcb6d6e0192\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the member is confusing two different issues. One is public-facing\u2014[Interruption] Well, he can choose to if he wants to, but one is public-facing issues and the second is whether someone sends an email by mistake. In the case of the point I was referring to, which the member quotes from, it was where someone used an email address and sent to the wrong address. That is human error. What the Government Chief Information Officer\u2019s report today shows is that, yes, there is room for improvement and, yes, the system is being improved, and our Government will be the first Government that actually has a chief technology officer who will have wide-ranging powers as a result of the changes we have made and a number of other systems improvements that we have enhanced in the last 6 months.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec12ffb7684f4eb2ba5e26a66b93ffa1\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: Does he now consider, in light of the Government Chief Information Officer\u2019s report, that there were systemic failures across our Government in regard to information systems?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef4ec62025624f7a830aaa0325ed0f91\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: No, I do not think there is systemic failure. I think what there is, in those public-interfacing systems, is room for improvement, and, as I said, that is why the Government has been developing an information and communications technology assurance framework, that is why the Government is upgrading the powers of the Government Chief Information Officer, and that is why the Government commissioned the work that has been going on. It is inevitable, actually, as we move into the digital age\u2014I know the Labour Party is in the dark ages, but the Government is actually moving into the digital age\u2014that these errors will occur.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225143debea9924ba89b0a3a22ed4d7380\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: Why should the public trust him to implement the recommendations of the Government Chief Information Officer\u2019s report when he actually denies that there is any systemic failure?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002245b823c485b546399e88fce5a60a039b\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: The member is confusing two completely different issues. If the member wants to do that then he is going to carry on talking the way he talks under his invisible cloak.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226cc79a520dcf43c2a81b9dbe1fdfa73e\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: When his Minister Peter Dunne was questioned four times by David Henry as part of the Kitteridge report leaking inquiry, something that no other Minister underwent, was that questioning under oath?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c1625de234354099bf073ab1f1871275\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: I do not have details about the inquiry, because the inquiry is ongoing. But to the best of my knowledge, no, information was not taken under oath.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db3fc9e4bd2e4a828aa7f80572ea18af\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: Given that the witnesses questioned as part of the inquiry into the leaking at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs were questioned under oath, does he not consider it is a double standard not to question those suspects in the Kitteridge inquiry under oath?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227e9e073a2c9e4d4eac5f8c835ff2f9db\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e54ecb9914042da88aca5e5adf5b5da\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: Given his statement to TV3 that he was sceptical about finding the leaker, does he really want to find the perpetrator; if so, would he not, therefore, insist on those people being questioned being questioned under oath?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225fa72a691f6544ef988706ba7fac6d57\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: To the best of my knowledge, over the course of many Governments there have been inquiries. Very few of them are taken under oath. Some are. Very few of them are. If the member is saying that they have to be taken under oath, is he then saying that the inquiries that were held under the previous Labour Government that were not undertaken under oath were, therefore, just made up?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002205bc837004a14cea9b88a78cd9879c68\u0022\u003EEconomy\u2014Reports\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022 data-id=\u0022c0833330cdb14de29dec2ad6f78a90ce\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c0833330cdb14de29dec2ad6f78a90ce\u0022\u003EJOHN HAYES (National\u2014Wairarapa)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Since the Budget on 16 May, what reports has he received on activity in the economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u00228de1e37d5dfb439aa774d32171ea23bc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228de1e37d5dfb439aa774d32171ea23bc\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E I have seen a number of reports that point to the economy building momentum, following the reasonably strong growth of 3 percent that we saw in 2012. ANZ\u2019s regional activity index shows increasing economic activity in the first quarter of this year, with 12 out of 14 regions showing back-to-back quarterly increases. Statistics New Zealand reports that building consents rose to a 5-year high in April. The BNZ-Business New Zealand Performance of Manufacturing Index remains in positive territory. As Business New Zealand has pointed out, manufacturing has been growing this year, helped by strong activity for new orders\u2014not exactly our definition of the crisis that the Opposition says exists in manufacturing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f24d8ebba594cd1b3f672fa37d53288\u0022\u003EJohn Hayes\u003C/span\u003E: In light of building momentum in the economy, what recent reports has he received on business confidence, and how will this impact on economic activity over the coming year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022418f6c4094a64c9c86caf7b125a6271b\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I have seen one recent report on business confidence, which shows that confidence across the business sector remains high. I am looking forward to another report on economic activity, being the report of the Opposition inquiry into the crisis in manufacturing, which started out with a hiss and a roar last year but seems to have disappeared, probably because manufacturing is growing not shrinking.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c740933cb9447cca8161cc94d3906f5\u0022\u003EJohn Hayes\u003C/span\u003E: What international reports has he received on the New Zealand economy and the Government\u2019s economic programme?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213c1d4191d2f439dae0f47c4ec91328f\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: This week the OECD has released its economic survey of New Zealand for this year. It says that the New Zealand economy is beginning to gain momentum, with growing business investment, increasing household spending, and Canterbury reconstruction all contributing. It says that the macroeconomic policies strike the right balance between supporting the recovery and ensuring sustainable medium-term growth. It also says that a return to fiscal surplus is appropriate, so that the Government can pay down debt, which will raise national savings and prepare the Government for future cost pressures. This follows a similar positive assessment of New Zealand by the International Monetary Fund.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258ad9d458f4540e281aef7ba09bebef3\u0022\u003EJohn Hayes\u003C/span\u003E: In its report on New Zealand, what did the OECD say about its views on the tax system in this country?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1178a2b9d164808935da40c7281a4b0\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: The OECD believes changes should be made to the tax system, although it acknowledges that our recent changes in 2010 were appropriate. It has suggested a capital gains tax on all assets, including the family home; it has suggested, also, a land tax; and it has suggested that rather than this revenue being spent, this revenue should be used to reduce other tax rates like the top income tax rate and the company tax rate. The Government does not support this policy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225b0968d6126640049042ec34a19180ec\u0022\u003ECapital Gains Tax\u2014Housing Market and OECD Report\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u00227fc50c6700164f2795b498bb1f104fe2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227fc50c6700164f2795b498bb1f104fe2\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Has he read the OECD advice that introduction of a capital gains tax would \u201Cmake the tax system more conducive to both growth and equity\u201D; and that \u201Cthe lack of a capital gains tax in New Zealand exacerbates inequality\u201D; and \u201Creinforces a bias toward speculative housing investments and undermines housing affordability\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u0022e09bfc165b1d4a9395f9d9d53650459c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e09bfc165b1d4a9395f9d9d53650459c\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, I have read the report, and I disagree with it. In the first place, the member has left out its recommendation that the capital gains tax should tax all homes and not exempt the family home, and, secondly, that the revenue should be used to cut income taxes. In respect of inequality, we have decided to approach the problem from the cause of inequality. One of the causes of it is planning laws that limit the supply of housing, which favours existing and higher-value home owners over poorer New Zealanders who want access to the housing market. I am pleased the Labour Party is supporting our legislation to achieve that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295cfeca1c292405eadab6e23c952ed86\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: Well, is he surprised to learn, then, that of the 30 countries in the OECD that have a capital gains tax, only Switzerland has no exemption for the family home?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220fd17c14d8c74268b009f26c4857f34c\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: No, I am not surprised. That is the weakness of capital gains taxes all around the world. If you say a capital gains tax is going to bring the housing market under control but then you exempt most of the housing market, it is unlikely to work, and it has not worked as a method of controlling housing markets anywhere in the world. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b395fce282784f8aa950f0a5790df8a8\u0022\u003EMaggie Barry\u003C/span\u003E: What measures has the Government taken in recent years to ensure property investors pay their fair share of tax?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223bb4dee93cbc43a199917ba2121b9664\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Well, of course, we do have a capital gains tax on people who trade property. The Government has moved in recent years to give the Inland Revenue Department the resources to ensure that those people who trade in property and are subject to capital gains tax actually pay their tax. We have also abolished depreciation on investment property. This is expected to raise $3 billion in tax revenue over 4 years, much more than any proposal we have seen for a capital gains tax that excludes most houses, so we are collecting more revenue from the property sector than would any proposal for a capital gains tax we have seen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002265850d31e926422ca8314de7f6643a73\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: Why does he continue to refuse to adopt a capital gains tax excluding the family home when it is clear it would reduce inequality, it is clear it would take the pressure off house prices, and it is clear some people would pay their fair share of tax, and, at the same time, it would improve the economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a79ad41e94244f81a512d9174e49f664\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: If a capital gains tax had all those magical powers, then you would not see a whole lot of developed country economies on their knees because of excessive housing markets. We have not implemented it, for a couple of reasons. One is that we believe the other tax measures we have taken, which are collecting $3 billion in tax revenue over 4 years, are more effective, and, secondly, we believe that changing the planning laws to allow more supply of houses will have a much bigger impact on fixing wealth inequality than a capital gains tax. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022688b86d2e79545a2aba3cdc8c0260209\u0022\u003ERt Hon John Key\u003C/span\u003E: Has he seen any reports about a period of time between 1999 and 2008 when there was a substantial increase in the housing market in New Zealand and when there was a major amount of work done, to extent that half of the work of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet was about the housing market, and, by the way, was there a recommendation for a capital gains tax that was adopted in that period of time?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ebac6daf811043ca829f93fbfce2ddf6\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: It is funny you should mention that. Some of the things the last Labour Government did were sensible. In 2001 it commissioned a tax review\u2014a comprehensive review of New Zealand\u2019s tax system. That review concluded that a capital gains tax that exempted the family home would not be effective. Faced with the fastest-rising housing market in New Zealand\u2019s history through the mid-2000s, the previous Labour Government, in which most of the Opposition\u2019s current front bench served, did not implement a capital gains tax.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b5d3c8541e94ab6a93edb8f78265045\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: Is the lack of a capital gains tax not one of the reasons why fewer young New Zealanders can afford to buy a home, especially in Auckland?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022299b380730444304bf4143d0dc3ad320\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: No, the main reason young New Zealanders cannot afford to buy houses in Auckland is that the supply is unreasonably limited, and that has pushed the prices up to unreasonable levels. We have been negotiating intensively with the Auckland Council to fix that problem, and we are pleased that the Labour Party is supporting the Government\u2019s legislation to increase the supply of housing and reduce the asset inequality that is generated in New Zealand from restrictive planning laws.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f555a23a-d230-4f03-80ba-a44e6ec8bd29\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229cd892d834f64189af5f8e2b89fd13e7\u0022\u003EHon Peter Dunne\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm that the last official organisation in New Zealand to recommend a capital gains tax was in fact the Brash committee, chaired by Dr Don Brash in 1989, that the Labour Government of the time rejected that report, and that subsequent Governments have also rejected that report?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e2ee69b6add4df68c6eb0126f3b24c0\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I believe that the member is right that the last time a review of the New Zealand tax system recommended a capital gains tax was in the late 1980s under Dr Don Brash, and since then every single review of our tax system has rejected a capital gains tax and every Government has taken that advice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0a80b77431a4c8380ae680c2ca2776b\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: Is the truth of the matter not that Mr English and his colleagues stopped the Savings Working Group and others looking at a capital gains tax by putting it out of their ambit, and is it not the reality that National\u2019s refusal to introduce a capital gains tax is because it does not suit the vested interests of its backers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c43a77e1f07a4e8b98b686a4ace55854\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Well, with, I think, 47 percent of New Zealanders voting for the National Government in the last election, we are very pleased to represent a very broad range of backers\u2014in fact, a much broader range of New Zealanders than the Opposition Labour Party, which claims to represent everybody. No, the reason we have not implemented a capital gains tax is that when you exempt most of the housing market, it becomes a tax purely on successful, profitable businesses, and that would be bad for growth. We are addressing the problem of rising house prices by addressing the real issue of the lack of supply, particularly in Auckland.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a844d6df968e4735b901d6fe0b237018\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I have just pulled out the 50th Parliament allocation of supplementary questions for oral answer, and I see on that that there is no allocation for Mr Dunne. I just wanted to check that, as with Opposition members, the rules are being applied evenly, and that Mr Dunne was allocated questions and you were told in advance, before the session started, of the change of allocation towards Mr Dunne, who, of course, even before he becomes an independent, does not have a supplementary question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c44f9e00bd9347779d14019dbcbeb26c\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I am advised that there has been an arrangement made with the ability for the United Future member to take one question a day if he so wishes, and that arrangement is formally with the National Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d3997ef0c51d4dadbff4144165e52d33\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Does that mean that if other parties wish to enter into agreements whereby they take a supplementary question, up to one a day, without notifying you, they can enter into that sort of arrangement? If that is the case, the allocation becomes stupid.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022604dacbe5cfc4454a5f1102df95e7723\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! It does not mean that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002271e5136bd0334c2ba090517c74e483a1\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I do not think it is reasonable for Mr Mallard to start trying to put some sort of a formulaic arrangement over this. We would welcome, for example, the Labour Party giving Mr Harawira a question a day; that would be most entertaining for the House. The point of order is simply this: each party has its allocation but each party has the ability within its own agreement to transfer those allocations. We have an arrangement with Mr Dunne, which is notified to the Speaker, so that there are no surprises for the Speaker should that question be asked.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002275cf56bdc0274e1fa037b1c8f52b355a\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Again, Mr Brownlee, seriously\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222095daae94284e02ba3430b31cbf5151\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Just address the point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c0fde3edfe6341b5b2f0d2119d815169\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I am addressing the argument that he put and showing why it is defective, because, as you well know, such an arrangement is not discouraged but it requires prior notice to you, which is a point you made. Mr Brownlee is about to invite you to depart from a well-laid-out procedure.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225962a5bb3b4c48f4b16e978f6f2ccf7b\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I may not have made it clear enough. There is a permanent arrangement, of which I am aware, for United Future to take a question from the National allocation, and that is permanently based. The very significant point here is that the Opposition every day very effectively utilises its allocation of questions. On most days, this side\u2014the National side of the House\u2014does not. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278f4c1e1993d4f418ec4d05a3d82fa10\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Can I just get this absolutely clear. It is OK for the National Party to enter into a permanent arrangement with another party for the transfer of questions, but it is not an option available to the Labour Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a29e268c0c6409d81bb6da53eff6677\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no. I am sorry. If the Labour Party wants to approach me with a permanent arrangement of a permanent transfer on that basis, I am very happy to consider it. I see no reason why that should not be granted. But to the best of my knowledge, the Labour Party attempts to very effectively use every one of its supplementary questions, and, in fact, on occasions uses some others that are allocated to other parties.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4fe9c179da5485c96e2b2749a5a0d34\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Can I ask you this question: is the arrangement that you say you have already been made aware of an arrangement that, as you said, was made with United Future, or was it made with now Mr Peter Dunne? Because, frankly, you are well aware of the circumstances whereby he ceases to be, by law, the leader of United Future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e25afda389834a489a8f1b113e92f65e\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I addressed that matter earlier. The arrangement was made with United Future. As to the other matter that has arisen over the last few days, I have adequately addressed that at this stage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ca09adcac8644c7b246ff03cebb6086\u0022\u003EBrendan Horan\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. If National would give me those questions, I would use them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7f153bafa94417d887821865b2701cc\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I am not sure what that point of order is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225704f316b4ab4347ba20bafbf9568fbf\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I cannot believe what I just heard. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022baa2c20a093f405da2351e94004abe32\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221845f6cdefd74270844dadcf203aa086\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker\u2014[Interruption] Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee2925a95e9f40888abadb0eb84efa55\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! Would the member please come to his point of order immediately, and would there be no further interjections.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc00a3d51bc845ada6d4c8143cbd4240\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: The problem with the circumstances that you have laid out is that you were going to invite\u2014and you had invited\u2014Mr Dunne to communicate with you. If he does not communicate with you this month, next month, or any time soon, then how can that actually be a ruling that now binds you?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246ab0c5a00d54c82b9e9a3053bfa8336\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Because, as I have said earlier, I have written to the member and I have invited him to\u2014I want to know the scale of the problem, and until I receive a response to that, I do not intend to take the matter further. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d164c0fef734d67a3e8999ce6b8f0ac\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I think you might have just made it quite seriously worse, because you indicated that you wanted to know the scale of the problem. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4913460511c4f05a1e2b4e60f7b8f25\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That is right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226084f7992b504c4eb8024cb612a7e81d\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: The party is either registered or it is not. The fact that it is not registered\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e90f97db218b42bdb704ba8c31dcc5ef\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I have addressed the matter. I am aware from the media that the party is now no longer registered, but I am unsure as to when it might possibly be re-registered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002254521e5136c1455fb4de7a5a4c795410\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, but it is gone. If it is gone, it is gone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294c800acdff34534b3d8cfa8b22b40fa\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I know that. I am aware of that. I have written to Mr Dunne. I am seeking an explanation from Mr Dunne and I will not take the matter further until I have received that response from Mr Dunne.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022452610bf1d704e3889feac25aea9dc95\u0022\u003EBudget 2013\u2014Early Childhood Education\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022 data-id=\u0022ac9d7a8a6bb34eb0aa3823d91b6afb0a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ac9d7a8a6bb34eb0aa3823d91b6afb0a\u0022\u003ETIM MACINDOE (National\u2014Hamilton West)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: How does Budget 2013 progress the Government\u2019s early childhood education priorities?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022 data-id=\u002240f611638289424a8368b5089e0ca518\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002240f611638289424a8368b5089e0ca518\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Budget 2013 provided a further $173 million for early childhood education, bringing our total investment to a record $1.5 billion. That is 74 percent more funding than the previous Government\u2019s funding. Of this, $39 million provides for a universal subsidy increase for all early childhood education centres, and a further $41 million provides equity funding, targeting our more vulnerable children. The funding will continue to provide for increased participation, and our latest data shows that our focus is working, with around 95.5 percent of children now starting school having participated in early childhood education.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ebdbeba15f5546ccad3df4e754b2a413\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: What is the Government doing to increase the participation rate of more vulnerable families in early childhood education?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0896964980d41ed85eb4240eb66de57\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA\u003C/span\u003E: The most recent data shows increased participation\u2014from 94.1 percent to 95.5 percent. A pleasing element of this is the increase in participation by both M\u0101ori and Pasifika children. It has increased to 92 percent for M\u0101ori children and around 88 percent for Pacific Island children. We are working hard to address barriers for families to access early childhood education. We have established an early learning task force that is working with communities to apply or develop models that will work for them, and we are taking early learning opportunities to families, to wh\u0101nau, to aiga, to communities that most need it. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d0550d357da34028bd4ae3bde78746b6\u0022\u003ESchools, Primary and Intermediate\u2014Nurses and Provision of Health Services\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022 data-id=\u00220055210b32844e36a694522c9289218d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220055210b32844e36a694522c9289218d\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: How many decile one, two and three primary and intermediate schools have their own school nurse funded by the Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022 data-id=\u0022119ee20662934757b1233202dcbbf4ad\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022119ee20662934757b1233202dcbbf4ad\u0022\u003EHon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E I am advised that there are around 680 decile 1, 2, and 3 primary and intermediate schools. District health boards currently employ 280 fulltime-equivalent public health nurses, who provide nursing services to all of these schools. These nurses are employed by district health boards, not the schools themselves. How the needs of each low-decile school are best met is organised on a local basis and additional services are provided in many cases\u2014for example, as part of the rheumatic fever programme in 198 schools. But I have to tell the member that this is not the only good news. There will be 670 social workers\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223573e4d11c7a42278f1bd0dbe164b688\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Just as questions are required to be succinct, so are answers. I think the Minister has talked a lot. I will certainly be making a point of order as to whether he answered my question, but he is simply going nowhere with his current answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e97ec7308d364f589ac1eb87c24ec336\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is the member saying she is satisfied with the answer? We can move to the next supplementary question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c3af56c51a66499a8d4f8069f5fe8245\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The Minister has not answered my question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207c5aa7bba9f451c921be43747f5ba06\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The Minister was attempting to, but it is very difficult for the Minister to address the question, when immediately upon answering it the member starts to dispute the answer. I invite the Minister, if he so desires, to continue his answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b44de81229c460b81d4eeec191aee5c\u0022\u003EHon TONY RYALL\u003C/span\u003E: As I said, district health boards employ 280 fulltime-equivalent public health nurses, who provide nursing services to all these schools. This is not the only good news. There are 670 social workers in all low-decile primary schools by the end of next term, and I am advised that virtually all schools have a named public health nurse who works with them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002271e203125366487b996701d0ae6b2327\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. This question has been put on notice for some hours now\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220bc42229a87642d0b724bf83f8928719\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! The Minister has quite adequately addressed the question. The member now has some supplementary questions if she wishes to use them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022621e50c8eab54d0db5b7374bae61ad0c\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: How many decile 1, 2, and 3 primary and intermediate schools have a nurse based permanently in their school?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7e32b9fbffb48bbb3676b1fa31ff15f\u0022\u003EHon TONY RYALL\u003C/span\u003E: I do not have information on how many because\u2014[Interruption] What I can tell the member is that\u2014and I do not think that the member was aware of this when the Green Party policy was announced\u2014public health nurses are allocated to every school in New Zealand, and those services are provided by the public health nurses to all those schools. Matching those public health nurse services for all those schools are 670 social workers by the end of next term. It is this combination of school nurses and social workers that has proven to be most effective.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241cf27f569874e769a61779a8e2f4b5f\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: How many decile 1, 2, and 3 primary and intermediate schools have a nurse who visits more than once a month?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d5a8f641f9f4016bb8bd4f24b1f76d4\u0022\u003EHon TONY RYALL\u003C/span\u003E: Quite a lot, actually. While I have been talking around the countryside, it has become quite clear that most decile 1, 2, and 3 schools will have a very regular visit from their public health nurses. I talked to a couple of schools today who had a visit at least once a week, and all these nurses are available on referral by the school.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002240583bce2c7342599e86fdaef70f740d\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. My question was very precise. It asked how many decile 1, 2, and 3 primary and intermediate schools had a nurse who visits more than once a month\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226eef25dbfb99459091f1a58bde0b723c\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Can I invite the member, at the conclusion of question time, to study the Hansard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b447ed0c794049eabf93a939e2c58d67\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: If the Green Party\u2019s proposal\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dcdd337569bf47eb869b31cf0505fc26\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Would the member start again. I cannot hear the question; start again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022081f138c660b4d53bdabbb8e643eebfa\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: I cannot hear anything either. If the Green Party\u2019s proposal for a dedicated school nurse in every decile 1, 2, and 3 primary and intermediate school was already happening, as the Minister has said, why, then, is KidsCan having to embark on a major school nurses programme of nearly $2 million to \u201Cplug holes\u201D in school health services?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8c515bcf674428bbc50ef3ad3f1f3c7\u0022\u003EHon TONY RYALL\u003C/span\u003E: I have not got the full details of what that member is alleging, but what I can say is that we are providing nurses in schools. Virtually every school has a named public health nurse, and there is a much better coverage. I saw a report earlier today that said there used to be one public health nurse for 13 schools in Porirua in 2002. What I know is that now all the four or so schools in Cannons Creek are receiving regular nurse visits every week for a significant number of hours. In the Capital and Coast District Health Board area, for example, some schools are allocated 20 hours a week of public health nurse time. The Green Party was unaware that public health nurses were active in schools.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d7292829ba24b428aaaa3dfa63ea77f\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: If the Green Party\u2019s proposal for a dedicated school nurse in every decile 1, 2, and 3 primary and intermediate school was already happening, as the Minister said, why has the principal of Papakura\u2019s decile 1 Kelvin Road School said in a written email to me that they have had only one visit from a public health nurse last term and only one visit from a public health nurse this term?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002280311af1002f43b0b3669d4f498bf9d8\u0022\u003EHon TONY RYALL\u003C/span\u003E: I would have to check the detail of that case, but I would say I do not think many people think it makes a lot of sense to have one nurse allocated to a school of only 40 children. That does not make a lot of sense, because what will the nurse do all the time with one nurse for 40 children in a school? What this Government does is have 280 public health nurses working every day with schools up and down this country, which is a fact that the Green Party seemed to be completely unaware of when it announced its policy on Sunday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235b083c566d24f138bc1ed4391d60344\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Just for the sake of clarity, the Green Party had asked a question on notice about how many of the school nurses in decile 1 to 3 primary schools were funded by the Government. The Minister mentioned that there were many nurses. Clearly, he did not have an exact figure. I just wanted to seek clarity as to whether or not it is actually up to the district health board\u2019s discretion\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227ef35651f2d47ec8e6615d5b67286b7\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: This is not a point of order. [Interruption] Order! That is not a point of order. The member will resume her seat.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c06b4cfbacd541148e18199bc63b925a\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table an extract from the email to me from the principal of Kelvin Road School, who says that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244189fa9fe6847d1ba2927fec2b9a371\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table the email from the principal of the school. [Interruption] Order! The House has heard enough. Leave is sought to table that email. Is there any objection? Yes, there is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d61f9ecd7e984344a19a8e38cd23a07e\u0022\u003EDr Jian Yang\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister seen a report that says there are no health services between before-school checks and nurses in secondary schools, and a claim that says that there is a gap in school-based health services programmes in primary schools?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229bc83b568e6e42b3b86754b6967b8f94\u0022\u003EHon TONY RYALL\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I have seen a report that says there is no national framework for school-based health service programmes in primary schools. This is simply incorrect. It appears that the writers of this report were completely unaware that we have significant numbers of public health services in primary schools, delivered by public health nurses, especially in low-decile schools. The writers of this report said that there were no health services before before-school checks and before secondary schools. The writers were well and truly behind the eight ball, and the report came from the Green Party of Aotearoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022638acc7f485e408a8f683f12a35f5eb1\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: If the Green Party\u2019s proposal for a dedicated school nurse in every decile 1, 2, and 3 primary and intermediate school was already happening, as the Minister has said in his last answer, why, then, has the principal of Hamilton\u2019s decile 3 Rhode Street School written to me to say that his school has had to employ its own nurse, with funding diverted from his school\u2019s operation grant, because \u201CMany of our tamariki were missing school due to preventable illnesses such as glue ear, school sores, and head lice.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aef7a4aac7b8420b8ef9a219a0eb0173\u0022\u003EHon TONY RYALL\u003C/span\u003E: Of course, I would have to check the full circumstances of what the member says, but I understand that in the Waikato they employ 36 public health nurses, who regularly visit schools. I think that if the member had taken the time to talk to some decile 1, 2, and 3 schools, she would have found out that public health nurses are regularly visiting those schools. They can take referrals from those schools. They are working actively with those schools, with Child, Youth and Family, and with hospital and general practitioner referrals. It is quite clear from the Green Party policy announced on Sunday that it did not realise that public health nurses visit primary schools regularly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022808736780adb4ace90fd3c89cbe35a78\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: If the Green Party\u2019s proposal for a dedicated school nurse service in decile 1, 2, and 3 primary and intermediate schools was already happening, as the Minister keeps repeating wrongly, why, then, did a principal write to me to say that a public health nurse tried to help where she could but was spread between too many schools, and was often seconded by the district health board to deliver other programmes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205ed2f7aa5e142e2aae3e7d5b4b8381a\u0022\u003EHon TONY RYALL\u003C/span\u003E: Of course, I would have to be able to check the details behind that. But what is absolutely clear is that we have got 280 public health nurses who are regularly visiting and supporting schools. They are also working closely with the families, based on the referrals that schools make. This is a valuable service that is already being provided. It is absolutely clear in its discussion document and its policy that the Green Party was completely unaware that the school-based health service is provided by public health nurses up and down the country. It is rather embarrassing for it, I would have thought.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226e61eb72892747b89623281f3fdb0037\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Minister address the reality of the situation and concede that school principals are right when they say that there is a glaring gap of nurses in primary and intermediate schools right now, and that the pay-off of a comprehensive service in these schools is improved academic results, better school attendance, millions of dollars saved from avoidable illness every year, and, most important, better lives for around 120,000 New Zealand children\u2014lives that he is not providing for, because there is no comprehensive public health service in primary and intermediate schools\u2014[Interruption] I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I do not expect the Minister to stand up and begin answering the question before I have even finished it. [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002206c85c78b5654679949741f31f6ca023\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! It would be helpful if the Minister did not rise until the member had finished. But, equally, it was a very, very long question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022274304a3f2354de1a92c9a4829c4574b\u0022\u003EHon TONY RYALL\u003C/span\u003E: What I would say to that member, and in response to that question, is that members can ask as many questions as they like, but it will not cover the fact that the Green Party was unaware that, for example, in Gisborne, primary schools there in the high-decile areas are visited three times a week, and more often when need is there, that in Northland\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220593cc5945d848c7b7f4775159957863\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: The high decile in Gisborne?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226ae377b9797c479b92a060750e097174\u0022\u003EHon TONY RYALL\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014rather, the low-decile schools in Gisborne\u2014and the low-decile schools in Northland are visited on a weekly basis, including 19,000 one-on-one consultations between the public health nurse and the school student. Whatever that member says, it cannot hide the fact that the Green Party did not know that the public health nurse services were provided in primary and intermediate schools. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e9319dd5dff444898e0ea97b4e0dead8\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary question, Brendan Horan. [Interruption] Order! I have called Brendan Horan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002276339e0d462c49da85226ae54bf2ef50\u0022\u003EBrendan Horan\u003C/span\u003E: Are school nurses able to provide care for every child that is insulin dependent and has type 1 diabetes in decile 1, 2, and 3 schools, and are these nurses aware of the problems these children and their parents are reporting with CareSens meters and faulty scripts?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a83ea07a-806c-45ad-95bb-eb2c481cd0e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a2d1181e3998460e8f336eec6b902416\u0022\u003EHon TONY RYALL\u003C/span\u003E: I am sure the school-based public health nurses are aware of the needs that any school wants to draw to their attention, but I have to say, in respect of that matter of the diabetes switch-over led by Pharmac, that actually the vast majority of consumers have made the switch and it is progressing very well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002260ff4df352b4423886dbb0817d4058ae\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table a summary document prepared by my office of extracts of emails from nurses and from principals talking about the issues of having no nurses available\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ebc59903b18844c6b49aec3323b14f35\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That is enough of an explanation: a summary document prepared by the member\u2019s office summarising the issues. Is there any objection to that being tabled? There is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e65cd5353c4b40d0b548d2fa7dd277c8\u0022\u003EBrendan Horan\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table correspondence from Mrs Sarah Jane Mills regarding problems experienced by a registered nurse to test her primary school - aged son\u2019s blood sugars using a CareSens meter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e698fbb8632446a08da0d67d363f8b6f\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table that document\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac763b9b38dd47fdb1015916dad6aadb\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002263d53259174547068076f497671db2c6\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Are you speaking to that point of order?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b9163b97c994d54a41bfcfbb4df3fdb\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I am speaking to the point of order. My point of order is to ask whether this disclosure is being made with the consent of the correspondent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228893df58362e4407aad4810013aa9697\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That is a reasonable point. Could the member Brendan Horan confirm that the disclosure would then be made with the permission of the patient he is talking about?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad2322c95dfa4ac798b20d3828fedd24\u0022\u003EBrendan Horan\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I believe it is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291e6f1f492104753984f8b4d98dea154\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK, leave is\u2014[Interruption] I think that unless the member is sure, he would be better not to be tabling the document. That would be my advice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f04839a79d564208ad6e8888e5b786ee\u0022\u003EBrendan Horan\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table correspondence to me from Helen Lockley of New Plymouth, whose diabetic son\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022638f8cfbe3174265a60db8efb4125504\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Again, the same issue. Is Mrs Lockley aware that you are attempting to do this?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022921814a3275e43fea67d0104b0c24845\u0022\u003EBrendan Horan\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002252824a3ae50d417b8dc4266c9078dc66\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK. Leave is sought to table that correspondence. Is there any objection? There is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228ac1e1434fb043f6a987f62faa4c8ad8\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table two documents. Both are communications to me, the first from the New Zealand Nurses Organisation and the second from the New Zealand Educational Institute, supporting a policy of comprehensive health services in decile 1, 2, and 3 primary\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022713a3953ddbc484e957344faed425109\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table those two pieces of correspondence. Is there any objection? There is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239f08b0426204940a3c19ecbaa883ee3\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I waited until the end of the question because I did not want to interrupt the member\u2019s questions, but I want to raise with you a recurring issue in the House, and that is the inconsistency of the quality of the sound system. During that question we could barely hear Metiria Turei, and I could tell that she was speaking quite loudly. We could hear very clearly both the Minister and Brendan Horan, and others, who were speaking quite quietly. It does seem to be that some of the microphones in the House are very loud and others are not. Sometimes, sure, the level of interjection impacts on that, but, clearly, there were points when the House was very silent while Metiria Turei was speaking, and I could still barely pick up what she was saying.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022befc2d69c6304bdb97b9f830fd2f8dfe\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I will certainly look\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf9540eef22a49a0b396527bd3d27b57\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I do not want to prolong things. I would have to agree that it was pretty hard to hear the member. It is probably because of the location of the microphone. With all due respect, if it was on the other side of that desk and she was speaking directly to it, it would have been in a better position to hear what she was saying. But it was actually quite pleasant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224798fa7129a94327841c71a58e92491a\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That is not helpful, either. I will\u2014[Interruption] Order! I am ruling on this first. In answer to the point raised by Chris Hipkins, I will certainly have another look at the quality of sound. It is not helped by noise coming from any part of the House when members are attempting to ask questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228cbf501716144e748baa55db4a924823\u0022\u003EBrendan Horan\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table a series of photographs showing the results of dual testing using the same drop of blood\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c020293dbca6482b938482394d39f3d4\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. That is not going to be of any value to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002286fd48d9a2d24caeb58e10fbede9ef67\u0022\u003EState and Social Housing\u2014Response to Home and Housed Report\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u00224bdde7c24fc944ef8bf4d0c684e7142c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224bdde7c24fc944ef8bf4d0c684e7142c\u0022\u003EALFRED NGARO (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing: What progress has the Government made in implementing the recommendations from Home and Housed: A Vision for Social Housing in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u002274af195754d54eb2b7eab4241fea55b5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002274af195754d54eb2b7eab4241fea55b5\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister of Housing):\u003C/span\u003E The major recommendations of the report, which included the Salvation Army, the Auckland City Mission, and the Housing Foundation, were that New Zealand needed to develop a broader social housing sector. Its 19 recommendations included growing the community social housing sector to 20 percent, transferring the housing needs assessment from Housing New Zealand to the Ministry of Social Development, enabling access to the income-related rent subsidy for community housing providers, and introducing new tenancy agreements focused on providing support to those with the highest need for the duration of that need. Good progress is being made on all those recommendations, with funding changes in Budget 2013 and the Social Housing Reform (Housing Restructuring and Tenancy Matters Amendment) Bill now before the Social Services Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c7c4aa8d54a410f8498a7b0e8df8bf1\u0022\u003EAlfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: How much new funding is the Government putting into implementing the changes recommended in the Home and Housed: A Vision for Social Housing New Zealand report?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022565d7f96c7a94384813f3776f71801ab\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The Government has set aside $139 million for the Social Housing Fund. It has already committed $60 million, enabling 422 additional housing units to be built in Northland, Auckland, Waikato, the Bay of Plenty, Hawke\u2019s Bay, Gisborne, Wellington, Nelson, Christchurch, and Otago. It has budgeted $31 million for the transfer of the housing needs assessment to the Ministry of Social Development and for extending income-related rent subsidies to community housing providers. A further $47 million has been budgeted for renewable tenancies to fund the increase in income-related rent subsidies as families of higher need move into social housing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287fd14d799aa46028b8caa6fd90c5ca4\u0022\u003EAlfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: What changes is Housing New Zealand making to the management of its housing stock in response to the Home and Housed: A Vision for Social Housing in New Zealand report?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee770ab9fe4f4bcca5eec36de553c576\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The report expressed real concern that, historically, Housing New Zealand has been excessively focused on just the number of State houses, rather than ensuring that they are in the right place, that they are of the right size, and that they are of good quality. In response, Housing New Zealand has embarked on a major programme of reconfiguring its housing stock with a record investment of $2.9 billion over the next 3 years. This involves insulating every State house capable of being insulated\u2014an initiative taken by my predecessor, Phil Heatley\u2014spending $377 million on adding 3,000 additional bedrooms to existing houses, and building 500 new infill houses in Auckland, as well as the massive programme of rebuilds and replacement in Christchurch. There is also a housing warrant of fitness that is going to be introduced for Housing New Zealand properties\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295df4e8070094bdfbac95075537cff9e\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: Being considered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f00a18aa14e04e60b04c37dd4c1637c3\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014no, it is going to be introduced\u2014to make sure that we actually focus on the quality of them, unlike the Labour Party, which has a disgraceful record in terms of the quality of our State housing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022834f969b60c546738874bdc529c372ee\u0022\u003ETeachers and Support Staff, Payroll\u2014Minister\u2019s Decisions and Advice Received Regarding Novopay System\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u00223ba60edbd2844fc7852a9f42f5e022ef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223ba60edbd2844fc7852a9f42f5e022ef\u0022\u003ECHRIS HIPKINS (Labour\u2014Rimutaka)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: Does she stand by all her decisions as Minister of Education; if not, are there any particular decisions she now regrets?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022 data-id=\u002209ed6d368bef4063bb999a8b2491e0e3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002209ed6d368bef4063bb999a8b2491e0e3\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, in the circumstances and the advice received at the time, and the decision I stand most by is the decision to invest $9.7 billion into education in New Zealand, the most ever invested in education in this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce9209b0026b49b99ac0ee7abd0fb617\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Did she ask for or receive any further details about the 147 known defects in the Novopay system that she was made aware of in the 5 June written briefing she received from officials, prior to giving her final approval to Novopay going live; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d738bd1160c4ea0a31262d106f64024\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA\u003C/span\u003E: I asked for advice from those whom I was entitled to rely upon whether or not that rate was well within the acceptable level, and I was advised by officials that it was. In terms of the 5 June decision to go live, I was advised that three members of the information and communications technology approval council had approved the go-live, and that confidence point two had been met in all criteria. I now know that not to have been the case, but at the time that was the advice, and it was in that knowledge that I approved the go-live.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002223c087c517214ce6995c4a7482e3e9f2\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Did she specifically ask for any further advice about the 147 known defects that she was advised about?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b1cbcd2f4db44b568dc7b15ec47e8b08\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA\u003C/span\u003E: As I have already responded to that member\u2014well, I should make it clear. I am not an IT expert, so I relied on the advice that the IT experts gave me, which was that the criteria for confidence point two, which included those particular runs, had been met, and the advice from all of the officials and the independent advisers was that we should proceed to go live.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a85b2ed839704112bfdf6e511b218d62\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Both the first supplementary question and the second supplementary question were actually very specific about the 147 known defects that were reported in the briefing that the Minister received on 5 June. I asked her specifically whether she had asked for advice on those specific defects. She has talked about a number of other things she asked for advice on, but having\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac780ad7132f4c14a55b55188cfb2a36\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! On this occasion I think the Minister has adequately addressed both questions. The first one was certainly addressed. In terms of the second one, as to whether she specifically asked for additional information, the Minister responded by saying that she was not a technology expert; she relied on the information that was given to her. I think that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022050dc22d62eb447cb3c7c1dfb38ec90b\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Yes or no?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221c0f216254b8425fb87c00a5f1596a9e\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member has no right to demand a yes or no answer. The member has further supplementary questions if he wants to use them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e66e1da8f704ff5bf0887c4136a9a18\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Did the advice she received on 5 June indicate that confidence point two had been met but also indicate that it had not been met; if so, why did she sign off on Novopay\u2019s implementation, given that she was receiving clearly contradictory advice?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221193a6e7eec241ebb7e9e69bb06a12e4\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA\u003C/span\u003E: On 5 June, with the go-live decision, the advice that I was clearly given, both by the information and communications technology advice council and in terms of whether confidence point two had been met, was that it was appropriate for me to sign and approve, and it was on that advice, and my asking for information and assurance, that I signed the go-live.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b1d9edad8a341538f4bc0a43cc8267e\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I asked her specifically\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af71045c57a849e69130931192094f9d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Again, can I invite the member to look carefully at the Hansard, as, indeed, I will. The member, from memory, asked three supplementary questions. The Minister has very adequately addressed one of those.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022587387610fd3437d84400a681b68613e\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Did the advice she received on 5 June indicate that there was at least one medium-security vulnerability and one low-security vulnerability within the Novopay system; if so, did she ask for any further information on the nature of those security threats before she signed off the implementation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228938e4b6e7b4494fbb7fd0df07a3f171\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Hon Hekia Parata\u2014either of those two supplementary questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c1e4af5abacb4881a1722a87c901fbdf\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA\u003C/span\u003E: In respect of the decision made on 5 June, the advice put to me, based on the knowledge of all of the information that applied to meeting confidence point two, was that it was satisfactory that Ministers could rely on that advice. Assurances were sought, they were given, and on that basis\u2014relying on people who know about IT far more than me\u2014I signed the advice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258c7e1a350fb46fabe4ccbfc9ae5784d\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I have the advantage of being able to read the question that my colleague asked. It does have two parts\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227983e541c9e473e966be6df1809192c\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d06d176e96744c2a621e1890648609b\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and I put it to you that neither of those was answered. The first part asked whether the advice she received on 5 June indicated that there was at least one medium-security vulnerability and one low-security vulnerability. She did not answer that. She was then asked, if that was so, whether she asked for further information on the nature of those security threats. She did not answer that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221143059ae97243f9bc78f7a1ee053b6d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: If the Minister could attempt to answer either of those supplementary questions, I would be grateful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022406929d7b26248569aeca9dec2a9a8f1\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA\u003C/span\u003E: The advice that I was given by officials, by independent quality assurers, by people with significant IT expertise was that within the expectations of the project at that time, it was satisfactory to go live. I relied on that advice at that time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208247028592f4cf084fc35362f86f451\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I could read the question out again. It did have two parts and neither of those was addressed by the Minister\u2019s answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aed07a65a5554f92a5e51311ab6f2ba8\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The best way forward is to invite Chris Hipkins as the original asker of the question to repeat the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297ef65555633430da0e2df3e40a8f4f0\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Did the advice she received on 5 June indicate that there was at least one medium-security vulnerability and one low-security vulnerability within the Novopay system; if so, did she ask for any further information on the nature of those security threats before she signed off implementation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d9995e988344e7a837ec6f54704d0c7\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA\u003C/span\u003E: My clear recollection is asking officials whether they could give me assurance that, notwithstanding those particular elements of the project at that time, it was satisfactory within the context of IT projects to proceed. The advice was, and I can rely only on the advice of experts in the IT field, that it was satisfactory that confidence point two had been met, and that the independent advisers who had been retained specifically for this purpose agreed that the go-live should occur. On the basis of that advice, which I had complete confidence at that time that I could rely on, I approved the go-live.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d5482126901b4f86831eadb913be47ba\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table the advice the Minister received on 5 June.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022578774606694425cbc6fc17c293884e2\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table that advice. Is there any objection? There is none. It can be tabled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bc424359f0e74511ad87034c5aa71d1c\u0022\u003EFlu Vaccine\u2014Numbers Vaccinated and Targets\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022 data-id=\u0022f1432e0cdf934982abe551312c89001f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f1432e0cdf934982abe551312c89001f\u0022\u003ESHANE ARDERN (National\u2014Taranaki - King Country)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Health: What reports has she received regarding the number of New Zealanders who have been immunised against the flu this year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022 data-id=\u0022ffd14a0e456248e0979d04e437b61ed5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ffd14a0e456248e0979d04e437b61ed5\u0022\u003EHon JO GOODHEW (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E The Ministry of Health recently reported to me that the Government\u2019s target of immunising 1.2 million New Zealanders against the flu this year has already been reached. This is the largest number of Kiwis ever vaccinated against the flu. This was an ambitious target, but thanks to the hard work of health professionals around the country we have reached our goal more than 2 months earlier than anticipated, which is great news because now more people are immunised against the flu, less flu is circulating in our community, leading to greater protection for us all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221c818ce2-6ca3-4c4a-9e6a-2e3a67d070e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225040f22337f64762bceec29086b062ac\u0022\u003EShane Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: What is the Government\u2019s goal now for the flu immunisation programme?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022105eb311988f483a9d1d073189bbcc4a\u0022\u003EHon JO GOODHEW\u003C/span\u003E: Our aim now is to continue the momentum and immunise as many people as possible. In particular we want to see more of the fully funded immunisations for which around 1.1 million people are eligible. This includes people over 65 years old, pregnant women, children under 5 who have significant respiratory illnesses, and people with ongoing health conditions. So I encourage people who have not already had their immunisation to check with their health professionals to see whether they are eligible.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ecc0f839a5594c7ebbf45c9678f67fe8\u0022\u003EGovernment Communications Security Bureau\u2014Investigation into Review of Compliance Leak\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u002274b4dc14938a4008a5f68beb1b44b23d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002274b4dc14938a4008a5f68beb1b44b23d\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader\u2014NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Has he recently taken steps to ensure that his confidence in all his Ministers is rightly placed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022 data-id=\u002239e6dce385c64a4c8c584906e31cd8ab\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002239e6dce385c64a4c8c584906e31cd8ab\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E No. I have confidence in all of my Ministers. They retain my confidence unless I have reason to lose that confidence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229f16c671ebcc4b1f895abdb7f68cfab2\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Can he confirm that the Kitteridge report was classified information at the time it was leaked, and caught by section 78 of the Crimes Act?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228733532b433e4a09a670d05fe6396a2d\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: No, I do not believe I am in a position to confirm that. It may well be correct, but I would need to check it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220069eb1a318647f6973096d94ec18c2d\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Why is the Prime Minister dismissing as \u201Can indiscreet comment\u201D a leak to a journalist who wrote on 9 April\u2014and I am using the very words of that article that that journalist wrote\u2014\u201CThe revelations are contained in the report, prepared by Cabinet Secretary Rebecca Kitteridge, and seen by Fairfax Media.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022713e10cd45ab4c1fa609edb17d6bcfd0\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: I thought the reference I made yesterday that the member was referring to\u2014I may be wrong\u2014was in relation to another detailed leak or a leak from the Intelligence and Security Committee meeting. I am pretty sure that was actually the reference the member made yesterday. I may be wrong. If that was the case, the member might like to know that the committee clerk wrote to all members after that leak emerged and reminded them of their obligations and to be careful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dac6f7d60b4646648576f4b184515666\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Why is the Prime Minister dismissing a most serious leak as \u201Can indiscreet comment\u201D\u2014not to do with anything other than the matter of the leak I am referring to\u2014when the leak to the journalist was of a full report, which enabled the journalist to describe key details, such as the 71-page length of the report, the recommendation of \u201Can immediate overhaul of the law\u201D, criticism of a former Government Communications Security Bureau deputy director, under-resourcing of the Government Communications Security Bureau deputy director\u2019s office, culture problems at the agency, and many other very substantial issues all in a long report by that journalist?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a65e0408e95946068b6a75a195389149\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: As I say, I can go back and check yesterday\u2019s Hansard. I may be incorrect or talking at cross-purposes, but the member is talking about the leak of the Kitteridge report. That is a serious matter subject to an inquiry by David Henry. When that inquiry is complete, the report is finalised, and I have had an opportunity to read it and digest it, it will be released. That was not actually the reference that the member was talking to yesterday, from memory. It was about another leak that came from the Intelligence and Security Committee, which I think at the time actually was an indiscreet comment as opposed to a leak. I may be wrong, but that is my understanding.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a70b0a3878b4b35ad2056e5addde92a\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Why, when there is an inexplicable connection between one Minister\u2019s phone calls and information leaks exclusively to one journalist, is he showing such little interest in these phone records?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eff07d18b3a64a7baaf2f42150066b17\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member for playing super-sleuth, but maybe he would like to do what I am doing, and that is wait for the David Henry report.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f2062fe5c464f43a35f3b473bed7a5c\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I am not obliged to wait for the David Henry report. I am obliged to do my job as an Opposition member and ask questions. My point is that the Prime Minister\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bbdb8eaa9cda43799915d136b2474e5a\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019d be sensible to wait.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8e16fa536694aaa87f311adcb10c217\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Do not get excited, chaps.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002204e92f80647c43f1a543e22a3d66af23\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! If the member wants to make a point of order, he will concentrate\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ccc09a70224a47bba0490313c08166ff\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, well, my point of order is that I am asking questions legitimately of the Prime Minister about a certain Minister\u2019s phone calls and the coincidence, not pure serendipity, of information by way of an exclusive leak to one journalist, which everybody in the press gallery knows about. I am entitled to ask that question and not be fobbed off by being told to wait until some other later report may come out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022550da7fff06a4f2a88d1ea75d99f4f9a\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: As I recall the question, it certainly had an opinion that was delivered within the question that was the opinion of the member, and the Prime Minister adequately addressed that question. The member can ask a further supplementary question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022309d1edb7f22470e9f7d9d013c1e616e\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Why, when affected parties shown the Kitteridge report had their phones removed, were escorted into the room, and were kept under constant surveillance because they were seeing classified information caught by section 78 of the Crimes Act, is he now covering up the leak, which involves a serious crime punishable by 3 years in prison?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209af1a0e36214f1cb206e861a7ea23de\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: The member is just being ludicrous. We have commissioned a report. David Henry is writing the report. I do not have the report. The report, in the fullness of time, will be received, will be read, and will be released. There is no more that I could do as Prime Minister. Some time ago that member said: \u201CI deal in the facts.\u201D Well, so do I. When I have the facts I will share them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cec3f21295364d0f8eadbb3997392e01\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. You can see what is going on here. The Prime Minister\u2014[Interruption] Oh, do not worry. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236643c1a1fa54cb8a711b68a572634a5\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! It is a point of order\u2014well, I hope it is a point of order. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e20f73a7ddf4db2ae1d699c8ee74400\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, exactly. I recognise a hysterical laugh when I hear one. The plain fact is that I am entitled to ask the Prime Minister about a certain Minister\u2019s phone calls and the connection between that Minister and exclusive leaks that are covered by the Crimes Act. I am entitled to ask the Prime Minister whether he regards that leak as a crime, and instead I am being told to wait around, when we all know there is a leak, so we know that a crime has been committed\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002255448489867f4dc78e21e2e8227eaa5a\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I have heard sufficient. I have heard sufficient. [Interruption] I have heard sufficient. [Interruption] I have heard sufficient. The member is entitled to ask the question and the Prime Minister is expected to answer it, and he has done so. The member now has one further supplementary question, if he desires it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db2e1da5ebd74de38ca32fabd2c02d5f\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Tell me, Prime Minister: have you spoken to the Hon Peter Dunne about his phone records and the pure connection by dates of exclusive leaks shortly after those phone calls and other communications that are a crime under the Crimes Act because the information is classified?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238e661e0907b46a689c7b003208f3cd2\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: No, because if I did that I would be doing the job of David Henry. I am not the person responsible for the inquiry. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022aedac1fcf3ad4b4e8055c736603c5e8c\u0022\u003ECrime Victims\u2014Support Services\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022 data-id=\u0022c1889049cca646568300f6795fea4df5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c1889049cca646568300f6795fea4df5\u0022\u003EKATRINA SHANKS (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Justice: How is the Government continuing its support for victims of crime?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u00227a16daabbf7f4da589e80d18acef5db8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227a16daabbf7f4da589e80d18acef5db8\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E Through our levy on offenders, I am pleased to announce increased funding and support for victims of serious crimes. In future we will be funding Victim Support to pilot an enhanced homicide support service, introducing a crime scene grant to support victims with accommodation costs where their residence cannot be used because it is a crime scene, increasing funding for rape prevention education, increasing funding for families of victims killed by a criminal act, and increasing funding for victims of crime travelling to New Zealand from outside the Pacific to attend court hearings. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b624836f6984480896ed1bb08bb52eab\u0022\u003EKatrina Shanks\u003C/span\u003E: How else is the Government supporting victims of crime?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f202d7e226314705ba046c2b5c416f74\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: The Ministry of Justice currently employs 70 court victim advisers, who help around 40,000 victims each year. It recently rolled out an enhanced victim advisory service for sexual violence victims and established the Victims Centre to ensure victims are aware of their rights and the range of support available. The ministry also runs a helpline for victims and funds a range of services, including a 24-hour crisis support line, in addition to in-person support. The Victims of Crime Reform Bill will introduce a Victims Code and a register of victims\u2019 complaints. The justice sector is continually reviewing ways to provide more support for victims of crime to strengthen our communities and ensure people feel safe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002203739fa881b94e26b0bf628bc52410ad\u0022\u003EBroadband Initiatives and Cybersecurity\u2014Involvement of Huawei Technologies\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022 data-id=\u00227d86ad72faac45ffb128a37414b0bfac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227d86ad72faac45ffb128a37414b0bfac\u0022\u003ECLARE CURRAN (Labour\u2014Dunedin South)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his statements?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022 data-id=\u0022fb99dd6be38b412085f0ca630f699dde\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fb99dd6be38b412085f0ca630f699dde\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002248cec2a2bd83474490d8c12649c33772\u0022\u003EClare Curran\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by his statement to this House on 4 April 2012 that he is \u201Ccomfortable with the arrangements that we have with Huawei.\u201D, and, in light of this, is he aware that Chorus has rejected Huawei\u2019s bid to provide fibre equipment and services for the major contract for taxpayer-funded ultra-fast broadband in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d830c641047845faaebdb286dbcc983d\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: In answer to the first part of the question, yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002256f440eb9c0648f2bb28846a100f691e\u0022\u003EClare Curran\u003C/span\u003E: Has any Government agency that he is responsible for recommended against Chorus accepting the bid from Huawei to provide equipment and services for taxpayer-funded ultra-fast broadband? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c0ccb34f20641e780df05217cf074c2\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: It is not my policy to talk publicly about the advice I receive from the Government Communications Security Bureau, and I will not be doing so this afternoon. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229730f3adf90e4f0c82ca2d428fd4489e\u0022\u003EClare Curran\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware that three of the four New Zealand security Echelon partners have outright rejected Huawei\u2019s involvement in their Government broadband roll-out while the fourth, the UK, now bitterly regrets approving a contract with the Chinese company after a forensic audit costing more than \u00A320 million uncovered thousands of bugs in the telecommunications system?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b26ea80c395453f9f8c0d880d1834ff\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: I cannot speak for other partners that New Zealand has, but in relation to the last part, I do not believe that would actually be right. But what I can say is the Government takes network security seriously. It protects network security where it believes possible and where appropriate, and if the member wants to vote for the legislation that is currently going through the House that will strengthen network security, that would be great. But guess what? The member will not. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022059d9994d3a344608400c3d618c7d2ae\u0022\u003EClare Curran\u003C/span\u003E: Given the UK Government communications headquarters has an agreement with Huawei that allows it to vet Huawei devices and source codes for bugs and that covers British Telecom, is there a similar arrangement between the Government Communications Security Bureau and Huawei in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ebfa39683346454e991f2d1adccd44c9\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: As I said earlier, I am not going to discuss specific providers and either what advice or measures the Government Communications Security Bureau gives the Government or the Government follows, because I do not believe it is in the national interest to do so. What I do believe is in the national interest is to strengthen the legislation in this area. I invite the member\u2019s party to do so. I am sure she will not, but I invite her to do so. I stand by my earlier statements that I am comfortable as Prime Minister with the steps this Government has been taking. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278d069df85d0475f811a9c9a48d03ca9\u0022\u003EClare Curran\u003C/span\u003E: Has he at any time discussed with the Government Communications Security Bureau Huawei\u2019s bid for the ultra-fast broadband contract with Chorus? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022956be9212ff04ab5a74b34d5e84379ad\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: For the third time this afternoon, I do not talk about the discussions I have with the Government Communications Security Bureau in relation to this matter or other matters unless there is specific reason to do so. That is a longstanding position, by the way, that the former Prime Minister Helen Clark adopted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e35f77dbd0844948a5d35703db549b9f\u0022\u003EClare Curran\u003C/span\u003E: Does he now feel embarrassed that, having invited Huawei into New Zealand and virtually offering it contracts on a plate in 2011, he is now being forced to keep it out of the major contract, following the persistent concerns of all our major security partners?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd4c2dc21a584479a1c999164c4b3557\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: The member is deliberately attempting to mislead the House. I did not invite Huawei into New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e4d90c4392049cbbb5640ce5bbbcff8\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I think you know that the Prime Minister cannot say that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002214c3e00a1ebc4b90b990ad9ea031b05f\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It would be helpful if the Prime Minister did not suggest that the member was deliberately misleading the House. It is certainly in order for the member to dispute the supposition raised. It would be helpful if the Prime Minister in future would not accuse another honourable member of deliberately misleading the House. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241b4d504bb48468fb36add6d48d6c459\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. You just asked the Prime Minister to not do that in the future, and I would question whether or not he should have been made to withdraw and apologise, but immediately following your making that ruling, the Prime Minister repeated it and said: \u201CShe is.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235e7a9a7515c458a971ad95d68d57b67\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, if the Prime Minister did interject that, it would be useful if he now stood, withdrew, and apologised to the member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f97b31794921470a992ad0ce9156bfa9\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca1d329370d34234af8debcd31847788\u0022\u003EClare Curran\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table a list of contracts related to the ultra-fast broadband roll-out that the telecommunications company Huawei has in New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002293496fbc61e44addbf11cbefed5d604f\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table that information. Is there any objection? There appears to be none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022816586a177ff4e5faae6b4bd95cd2943\u0022\u003EOil and Gas Exploration\u2014Tax Concessions and Consultation with Iwi\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022 data-id=\u0022bacc0f1fe1ff49ad90547948850a8b64\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bacc0f1fe1ff49ad90547948850a8b64\u0022\u003EGARETH HUGHES (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Energy and Resources: Does he agree with the OECD, which recommends the removal of tax concessions for petroleum exploration; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022 data-id=\u002233f63bbaea5a45e2a2a1cceba07c3aa8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002233f63bbaea5a45e2a2a1cceba07c3aa8\u0022\u003EHon SIMON BRIDGES (Minister of Energy and Resources):\u003C/span\u003E No, I do not. I do not believe that the OECD gives sufficient weight to the challenge of developing New Zealand\u2019s petroleum resources or to this Government\u2019s commitment to ensuring that we receive a fair return from petroleum resources. For the record, I am not aware of another industry in New Zealand that contributes as much of its profits as a proportion to the Crown\u201442c in every $1; $700 million to $800 million a year. That is something we should celebrate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e5aac8f73a840149bfb24aaabdfa748\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: How is it that the Government can find over $46 million in support for an already wealthy industry to extract more fossil fuels, to lead to more pollution, and it can muster only $1.9 million to feed our poorest kids breakfast?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022145f5bb3f68c42fcbdb8da47ee0f7a9b\u0022\u003EHon SIMON BRIDGES\u003C/span\u003E: The amount the member talks about is exceptionally small in comparison with the $700 million to $800 million per annum we currently receive in taxes and royalties. As I say, I would like the member to see whether he can think of another industry that delivers that sort of money as a proportion of its profits to the taxpayer\u2019s coffers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a5e24a58e6c4018a6a309e951b00fd9\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: So what is the Minister\u2019s rationale for supporting tax breaks for the profitable petroleum sector, and not similar tax breaks for industries like, maybe, the clean-energy industry, which international studies show has got four times the job-creating potential, and even agencies like PricewaterhouseCoopers say could be a potential $22 billion industry for New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a6d202b25ce4865a0f4e6b0756be3ae\u0022\u003EHon SIMON BRIDGES\u003C/span\u003E: Well, there is no rush. I can tell the member that we met last week with the head economist of the International Energy Agency, the premier energy agency in the world, and the first thing he did was to congratulate us on being world leaders when it comes to fossil fuels subsidy reform\u2014and we are world leaders in that area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022204e6234302e4d569093ed1f0632e471\u0022\u003ETe Ururoa Flavell\u003C/span\u003E: Kia ora t\u0101tou. Is he aware that Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu wrote to the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment in January 2013, supporting the recommendations made by the Waitangi Tribunal relating to the petroleum management regime; if so, what efforts will he make to follow their call for adequate communications standards to be enforced by the Crown between petroleum companies and iwi and hap\u016B?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281e1a40a42ae4f2996750dfc562a5d5d\u0022\u003EHon SIMON BRIDGES\u003C/span\u003E: I am aware of that letter; indeed, I have met with that iwi a couple of times in Hawke\u2019s Bay in relation to issues that they have about the sector. I can tell the member that when we reformed the Crown Minerals Act earlier this year we formalised consultation processes between the Crown and iwi, and, indeed, between iwi and industry. Now it is the case that industry, in relation to tier 1 permits at least, must supply annual reports to the Government on its engagement with iwi or hap\u016B whose rohe intercepts the area of the permit or who otherwise may be directly affected by the Crown. Of course, what is also true is that this is an industry that can deliver great gains and jobs for M\u0101ori in places like Northland and the East Coast, and bring them home from places like Western Australia and Queensland. So I think the benefits from this industry can be felt disproportionately and favourably for M\u0101ori and iwi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb58c2217cf945e99cede6fd8ab62cc8\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: In regard to the last answer, does the Minister want New Zealand to walk the walk on international fossil fuels subsidies, and will he recommend the removal of all tax breaks for petroleum exploration, given that the OECD says they counteract New Zealand\u2019s efforts to address global climate change, and distort investment decisions away from more sustainable sources of growth?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0486eaabc20496c95465f4b720d523f\u0022\u003EHon SIMON BRIDGES\u003C/span\u003E: We walk the walk and we talk the talk in a world where there are hundred and hundreds\u2014probably trillions\u2014of dollars of subsidies for fossil fuels. The fact of the matter is we are one of the cleanest, greenest little countries in the world.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022578ce43f4a1d40de915fae3687f5335f\u0022\u003EUrgent Debates Declined\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b5efc1a492764ac4a57b8ecdff4b728d\u0022\u003ESocial Development, Ministry\u2014Report on Information Security\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022 data-id=\u0022b42c6b60fc4d4ab5a944262f39ec946b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b42c6b60fc4d4ab5a944262f39ec946b\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I have received a letter from Clare Curran seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the report of the independent review of the Ministry of Social Development\u2019s information systems security. The release of the report is a particular case of recent occurrence involving ministerial responsibility. The review identified a small number of potential vulnerabilities and that the level of security management was lower than would be expected. The vulnerabilities are being looked into. However, there is no evidence that they have led to another privacy breach. The review considered only publicly accessible systems provided by Government agencies, and further, wider reviews are now likely. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EA work programme is under way to ensure improvements are made as a matter of priority. The issue of public trust in Government agencies\u2019 ability to handle private information appropriately is increasingly important, but given the ongoing nature of the Government\u2019s response I am not convinced that there is the element of urgency necessary to justify setting aside the business of the House today when the Budget debate provides another means of discussing the matter. The application is therefore declined.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002217dc8e4c7af1435fa2452767b6914178\u0022\u003EBudget Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228ffb689109f44624b968cedb16a65d6a\u0022\u003EAppropriation (2013/14 Estimates) Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000284\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 4 June on the .\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022ffc28401431c48068c5d3da14ddb2a1d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ffc28401431c48068c5d3da14ddb2a1d\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Police):\u003C/span\u003E Budget 2013 was a very good Budget\u2014a very good Budget\u2014for New Zealanders. It confirms that New Zealand is on the right track, it forecasts economic growth for New Zealanders, it forecasts more jobs for New Zealanders, it forecasts rising wages for New Zealanders, and it forecasts a return to surplus for the Government\u2019s books by 2014-15. They are all the issues that matter to New Zealanders right across the country, all the issues that this Government has been talking about for the last 4 years, and, I have to say, all the things that the Labour-Green Opposition has consistently opposed at every opportunity. The Budget builds on the momentum created over the last 4 years as this Government has grappled with probably the deepest depression in the economy since the 1930s\u2014the global financial crisis\u2014and the dreadful earthquakes that have wreaked such havoc in our second-largest city, the beautiful city of Christchurch. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EIn order to rebuild this country\u2019s economic performance, this National-led Government has set four priorities: firstly, to responsibly manage the books, and it is clear from the Budget that we are doing an excellent job of that; secondly, to build a more competitive and productive economy, and, again, the Budget shows that we are doing exactly that; thirdly, to rebuild Christchurch, and, with an $18 billion investment from this Government, we are certainly working hard to rebuild that city; and, fourthly, to deliver Better Public Services, and the Prime Minister has set 10 targets across a range of ministries in order to deliver those services to New Zealanders. It is that latter point that I want to focus on today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EIf we look at all three of the portfolios that I have responsibility for\u2014police, corrections, and the Serious Fraud Office\u2014they have certainly had an outstanding year. Corrections was named as the department of the year at the end of last week by the Trans-Tasman. Recorded crime is at its lowest rate in 24 years and reoffending rates have fallen by nearly 9 percent. Budget 2013 provides the platform to continue to see lower crime and further reductions in reoffending, and that will enable the portfolios that I have responsibility for to achieve their Better Public Services targets. Budget 2013 makes $10 million available from the Justice Sector Fund over the next 2 years to establish new services to support prisoners on their release into the community, and in the next couple of weeks we will be making announcements about the details of this. We have rolled out the expanded programmes within corrections, both within our prisons and for community offenders, of increased educational opportunities, increased skills training, and dramatically increased alcohol and drug rehabilitation available to offenders. There is the transference of three prisons into working prisons, where prisoners will have a very structured 8-hour day of both working and training. We have revamped youth prisons so that, again, those young people have a very structured day that revolves largely around education, and gets them into the normal habits of ordinary young New Zealanders to help them when they go back out into the community. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EIt has become clear to us, as three-quarters of our prisoners do return to our communities, that the next area that we have to focus on is what sort of support we give to those people when they have completed their sentences and are returning to their homes and their families and their communities. So those are simple things like connecting them with the social service agencies that they are going to need to support them through the next few months. As much as we might try to get them all some form of employment, that is not always possible. So they do need to have some assistance. They need accommodation. Corrections tells me that several hundred prisoners could be released much earlier into the community if there was accommodation available to them, but, of course, unfortunately, many people do not want to have a newly released prisoner living in their street, so accommodation becomes very difficult. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EWe do want to provide employment. It is very clear that if we can get ex-offenders into employment as quickly as possible on their release, then they have a much better chance of not returning to prison, of not breaking the law. Of course, for many of them, they need ongoing assistance around just plain, basic living skills\u2014how to budget, how to manage a bank account, how to keep themselves and their families clean and well-fed and living normal lives. So we are certainly looking at how we can provide those services to prisoners as they are leaving prison, in particular, and whether that sort of programme needs to be extended to some of our more high-risk community offenders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EIt is interesting when you look at the results that corrections has seen over the last 4\u00BD years that we are starting to see that drop in reoffending rates\u2014nearly 9 percent. We have set a target of 25 percent by 2017. When you consider where corrections came from\u2014when this Government took office, the probation service had been run into the ground. Under the previous Labour Government, it was seriously understaffed and seriously underfunded. This Government injected $255 million into the probation service alone to try to get it back into some shape so that it could deliver services to do the job that New Zealanders expect it to do. The result of that now, 4\u00BD years later, under this Government, is that the Department of Corrections has been named the department of the year. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EEven though the day after that came out we did experience a group of prisoners\u201429 prisoners\u2014in Spring Hill Corrections Facility running rampant, it was interesting to me, and heartening to me, to see that the response from the corrections officers was absolutely perfect. They followed their professional code to the letter. They showed that the extra effort and resources that we have put into safety training have paid off. They followed those procedures and protocols exceptionally well, but, more important, when it became clear that fire\u2014which is the worst possible danger in a prison where you have, and we did have, many prisoners who had locked themselves in their cells rather than participate\u2014was involved, those prison officers then risked their lives to go in and save the prisoners who had set fire to their own surroundings. They were very brave actions, and, fortunately for me as Minister, I would say that we are very lucky that we had no serious injuries out of that for either our officers or any of our prisoners. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EBudget 2013 has set us up, in police, corrections, and the Serious Fraud Office, for another exceptional year as part of the justice sector that this Government is ensuring is effective and is delivering good public services to New Zealanders right across the country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u002209354132f6a54beaad4d9d2d4626a300\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002209354132f6a54beaad4d9d2d4626a300\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Mr Speaker, this is a split call with my colleague Steffan Browning. This year is the 120th anniversary of women gaining suffrage in this country. It is also the 80th anniversary of women entering Parliament and the 20th anniversary of women first taking leadership of a political party in this country. I think it is particularly important this year, and especially this week, following the death of Dame Margaret Shields, to consider how our political system is doing for women and how this Government, in particular, through this Budget is delivering for women. Of course, we have made really significant progress since the 1970s, but there is a sample of measures that tell me we have still got a long way to go. In this speech I would like to look at just one of those measures, which is around the gender pay gap. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EWe have an entrenched gender pay gap and, according to some measures, it is growing. Other measures tell us that it may be narrowing because male wages are declining. So what is this Budget offering us as women in terms of making some fundamental change in the inequality that exists for us in this country? According to the Minister of Finance one of this Government\u2019s priorities with this Budget is to build a more productive and competitive economy. Well, that should really bode well for women, you would think, especially in light of the Goldman Sachs research last year that showed that closing the gender pay gap could increase productivity by 10 percent. That is worth over $20 billion a year to this economy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ESurely, for that kind of outcome it would be worth actively and strongly pursuing a policy towards that end. Yet the Budget announcements relating to promoting a productive and competitive economy have been devoid of gender analysis. The Minister is focused on increasing tourism, with $20 million a year; marketing education overseas, with $10 million a year; and providing $25 million a year on new research and development. It is not that I do not believe in any of those initiatives, but I really struggle to see how they have got the potential that is held within measures that would reduce the gender pay gap. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ESo what is the Government doing to close the gap? My temptation, honestly, is to say \u201Cnothing\u201D. It has said it is not going to put anything into extending paid parental leave and it has threatened to use its financial veto, against the will of this House, despite the fact that extending paid parental leave will strengthen women\u2019s attachment to the workforce and the loss of that contributes to the gender pay gap. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EFurther, it has legislated against paying family carers their legal entitlements, which would have significantly helped with the gender pay gap. Further, it has not acted on the Equal Employment Opportunities Commissioner\u2019s recommendations regarding pay for aged-care workers\u2014another core factor in the gender pay gap. And when we look at non-Budgetary measures, we see that it has refused to pick up my member\u2019s bill, which just provides a technical tool to enable women to argue their case. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThose are four distinct things that this Government could be doing to radically increase productivity in this country\u2014and it has done nothing. But if I am being truly fair, I have to acknowledge that it has increased funding for the Ministry of Women\u2019s Affairs and that that ministry is responsible for monitoring the gender pay gap. That is particularly important now that nobody is actually responsible for lowering that gap. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ESo how will the ministry deliver for us women in New Zealand? Last year the Human Rights Commission critiqued the ministry, saying that women are being short-changed by those setting targets on their behalf, and it criticised the ministry\u2019s pale ambition for women\u2019s progress in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EWell, I would expect, as I am sure a Minister of Finance who cared about productivity would expect, that ministry to have taken those criticisms on board and to have radically strengthened its targets. But no. Actually, the ministry has watered them down. From a target of having 47 percent of appointments to State sector boards in 2015, now we find its target is to continue to increase from 41 percent in 2015, and a web page dedicated to gender pay gap just justifies the use of its measure. This year it has put out six media releases and has contracted one piece of research. That is this Government\u2019s pitiful commitment to gender pay inequality.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022 data-id=\u0022fb0c0e108d494e5d9c355fd0ce8127c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fb0c0e108d494e5d9c355fd0ce8127c4\u0022\u003ESTEFFAN BROWNING (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to speak on the Appropriation (2013/14 Estimates) Bill in terms of biosecurity, in particular. On the surface, in this Budget it appeared that there was a $5 million to $7 million drop in biosecurity funding, and we certainly commented on that. The Minister said: \u201CNo, no, no. That was a reshuffling of figures between 2011-12 and this current Budget, and that is all that is.\u201D But what is actually very, very clear is that despite the increasing risks to biosecurity because of staff cuts and increased trade, this Government has not given an appropriate increase to biosecurity funding. There has been some talk of increased staff, but that is actually just a drop in the bucket compared with the staff drops and cuts since 2008. This Government is not addressing biosecurity adequately at all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EThis week, as we speak, there is a conference on bees in Queenstown. Federated Farmers are talking on bees down there, and very soon there is another conference for the National Beekeepers\u2019 Association. I know that that industry has come to the Minister, it certainly has come to the rest of us, and it is wanting assistance around biosecurity. It has been under continued threats, under continued impacts, from the lack of biosecurity controls in this country. We all know about the varroa bee mite and that varroa got away, and that now all beekeepers, effectively, are having to deal with varroa. They are having to go through some quite significant control methods to keep varroa from taking out their hives, because if they do not, the hive perishes. New Zealand is already all the worse for the feral hives being totally decimated. We now rely totally on kept hives and the controls in them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003ESo that is just one example. Another bee disease, Nosema ceranae, a small unicellular fungal parasite of bees, came in and showed up when Psa showed up in kiwifruit. Although it does not seem to decimate the hives to the same degree, if we get a particular virus in, which would be very easy with this open border approach by the Government, the combination will decimate hives. We need to not allow that. The fact is that that bee disease is here. We will deal with it, or it is being dealt with, through hive management as best as possible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EThere are other factors potentially impacting on our bee health, including neonicotinoids, or neonics for short. These are synthetic pesticides that have been shown to affect bee numbers. They are used as a systemic poison in seeds that expresses out through the pollen in things like corn and other flowering plants like brassicas. That needs to be pulled in immediately. We need the Environmental Protection Authority to reassess them, but it actually should be stopping the use of them immediately until it does reassess them, just as the EU is doing. Neonics, as I say, need to be reassessed. The only reassessment of pesticides as such at the moment is of the organophosphates. The Government is not putting enough into reassessments of either those or new chemicals. We get tons of new chemicals being allowed in each year and yet reassessments of existing ones are woefully slow. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EJust back into the biosecurity issue and the open border approach, the Government intends to allow honey imports from Australia too, and yet we have this lack of an increase in biosecurity funding to actually control the potential diseases that will come from the open border approach. Another aspect of the open border approach is the raw pork imports, but that can be for another speech. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223f670c71-9be5-4a7e-a197-0590da759280\u0022 data-id=\u0022072bd5bef19045d390e8043941fd51b1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223f670c71-9be5-4a7e-a197-0590da759280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022072bd5bef19045d390e8043941fd51b1\u0022\u003EHon TIM GROSER (Minister of Trade):\u003C/span\u003E Budget 2013 has, I think, to be seen against the background of its predecessors, the economic challenges facing New Zealand, and, in particular, the quite extraordinary challenges facing other developed economies of the OECD. Shortly after the Minister of Finance introduced this Budget into the House, I\u2014like other trade Ministers from New Zealand over the last 10 years\u2014had the privilege of representing New Zealand at the OECD ministerial meeting. Going from New Zealand, where I think there is growing confidence that we are indeed on the right track, into the heart of Europe and the heart of the problems of the eurozone was very striking, indeed. To say that the mood was sombre would be considerably understating the case. I mean, forget the outlier countries\u2014the countries in serious trouble, like Greece, Portugal, and Spain. We just got news on the eve of the OECD ministerial meeting that the youth unemployment rate in Sweden\u2014a country that I am sure most members of this House would consider is one of the most cohesive and successful societies in the world\u2014is 25.1 percent. There is 25.1 percent youth unemployment in Sweden, with riots taking place in Stockholm as a result of the frictions that this inevitably causes. So I think that people need to wake up and smell the roses here when they sit down and see the enormous progress that New Zealand has made under the superb leadership of the Minister of Finance, Bill English. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223f670c71-9be5-4a7e-a197-0590da759280\u0022\u003EI had the privilege of speaking to a leader of one of these countries, who asked me: \u201CWell, Mr Groser, what are the big numbers in New Zealand?\u201D. And I said: \u201CWell, the big numbers, Prime Minister, are these. We have growth of 3.1 percent. We have inflation of 0.9 percent, and 0 percent on food prices. We have unemployment still higher than we want, but trending down and currently at 6.2 percent. We have seen household income rise 20 percent in the last 4 years. And as for our debt,\u201D\u2014and remember this: the average gross Government debt to GDP in OECD countries is well over 75 percent, and for many of them it is above 100 percent\u2014\u201Cwe are trending just above 30 percent at the moment, from memory, and we will be back below 30 percent in a year or two. We will return to surplus in 2014-15, which has been much improved by the latest statements coming out of Treasury a few days ago.\u201D This Prime Minister said to me: \u201CMy God, I wish we had numbers like that.\u201D And I bet that most of those countries would wish that they had numbers like that; they wish they could tell their young people that there is a future for them in their countries. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223f670c71-9be5-4a7e-a197-0590da759280\u0022\u003EThe achievement of this Government is quite considerable, and I sense a growing realisation in New Zealand that we are turning the corner. When we set this against the background of the numbers that we inherited\u2014let me reel off just a couple of them. Inflation\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5a38ad4f06b489f82743d7d4d958905\u0022\u003EDr David Clark\u003C/span\u003E: Five long years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223f670c71-9be5-4a7e-a197-0590da759280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223c10d8bbdbb948a39518915f049ac483\u0022\u003EHon TIM GROSER\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014you can check it yourself if you think it is a lie\u2014to November 2008 was 5.1 percent, which is five times the current rate of inflation. We had huge debt growing because the Labour-Green Government of the previous 3 years lost the plot completely, just throwing money at every problem that arose in the belief that that would solve the problem. There was no prospect of returning to surplus at all. There was not even a date out there\u2014no prospect of returning to surplus. When you think about the turn-round between those two sets of numbers, and also factor in the extraordinary additional challenges of the biggest natural disaster to hit New Zealand for 70 years, which cost $40 billion, and the collapse of our finance companies through the greatest financial crisis in the last 70 years, I think this Budget and the achievements of the Minister of Finance and his senior colleagues in steering New Zealand to this position is nothing short of remarkable. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223f670c71-9be5-4a7e-a197-0590da759280\u0022\u003ELooking at this Budget, I will pick out just a few issues at random. Look at the position of health. I think it is important to look at these issues, given the absurd critique that somehow this Government is focusing on\u2014what do they call it\u2014rich mates. Is that not the rhetoric that is used\u2014rich mates? Let us look at just the facts. This is a National-led Government. We are working for the nation. Let us look at some of the data in this year\u2019s Budget to uncover the real truths here. In health, a portfolio that Minister Ryall has handled with outstanding professional ease, the way that Mr Ryall has managed to move this whole debate forward in such a positive direction is extraordinary. We have allocated in this Budget over the next 4 years an additional $1.6 billion for dementia care, for more elective surgery, for better treatment of diabetes, and for more screening for adult health. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223f670c71-9be5-4a7e-a197-0590da759280\u0022\u003EWe have allocated an extra $900 million that is carefully targeted at early childhood education, at primary education, and at social education. And as for poor families\u2014just to return to the theme of the absurdity of this critique that we are trying to look after rich mates\u2014we are interested in all New Zealanders, particularly people who are hard-pressed by economic conditions. The first thing is that we believe absolutely\u2014and all the empirical evidence tells us this\u2014that the most important assistance you can give somebody is a paid job, and we have created 50,000 of those new jobs in the last 2 years. We are going to insulate a further 46,000 homes, mostly for people on low incomes, because the evidence tells us that warm homes are a crucial ingredient in the health and educational performance of young children in low-income families. We are going to allocate an additional $21 million to deal with rheumatic fever, one of the childhood problems that have plagued these people over many years. This is what this Government is interested in: all New Zealanders\u2014the nation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223f670c71-9be5-4a7e-a197-0590da759280\u0022\u003EBut this has not been a Budget just conceived on its own; we have also pursued a rigorous plan through the Business Growth Agenda. Much of this has been implemented through previous Budgets. If we look at the fantastic tax reforms, the fiscally neutral tax reforms introduced in the 2010 Budget by the same Minister of Finance, we can see the benefits of this already coming through. The figures that came through in terms of fiscal balances this week showed increased tax revenue as a result of the structural changes the Minister of Finance introduced, under some of the most difficult economic conditions that the world has seen in 70 years. And we will see also, as this economy continues to move in the right direction, the effects of incentivising middle-income New Zealand to the point where 75 percent of New Zealanders are paying the top tax rate of 17.5c. We are going to see the structural policies that we have introduced over the last four or five Budgets start to impact on New Zealand\u2019s long-term and medium-term prospects. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223f670c71-9be5-4a7e-a197-0590da759280\u0022\u003EAnd all of this has been done under a coordinated plan called the Business Growth Agenda, which covers, broadly speaking, six headings: innovation, capital markets, skilled and safe workforces, management of our natural resource base, more effective use of our infrastructure and investment in it, and close attention to export markets, which is the portfolio, obviously, of greatest interest to me in terms of the Government\u2019s structural plan. We can see elements of Budget 2013 in moving forward all of these agendas. Let us just look at innovation, for example. This Budget has allocated an additional $96 million for further investment in public services. We are going to invest $106 million over the next 4 years in research and development assistance to business and new start-ups. So I think that this Budget, as with its predecessors, is placing New Zealand in an excellent space, so that in the second decade of the 21st century New Zealanders can look forward with great confidence to a future in this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223f670c71-9be5-4a7e-a197-0590da759280\u0022\u003EFinally, to conclude, I am going to award first prize for the most ridiculous comment made in the context of this Budget to the co-leader of the Green Party Dr Russel Norman, or, as I call him, \u201CDr No\u201D, since he is opposed to any policies that would raise growth or create employment. You may recall that Russel Norman likened our current Prime Minister to Rob Muldoon. Having been in that Prime Minister\u2019s so-called think tank for 3 years\u20142\u00BD years under Muldoon and 6 months under David Lange\u2014unlike an Australian schoolboy, I actually knew Muldoon\u2019s personality. I would argue that I have never met two people more unalike than John Key and Robert Muldoon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022 data-id=\u0022a348b42912e14b52a458dc90403f1183\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a348b42912e14b52a458dc90403f1183\u0022\u003EANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E On behalf of New Zealand First, I would like to welcome the wandering minstrel of a trade Minister, Tim Groser, back to this country for a rare visit to this Parliament. Unfortunately, he needs to get\u2014he is leaving the Chamber now\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad94813acd904ec285cfbf832e164803\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a9c0cec43be44b3875faa700e10c6d9\u0022\u003EANDREW WILLIAMS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014his facts right. Mr Groser, the previous speaker, made the comment in the Budget debate that he was just recently in Sweden\u2014on one of his junkets to try to get a job with the World Trade Organization, spending $250,000 of taxpayers\u2019 money trying to get a job for himself. He said that in Sweden he was told that its youth unemployment rate was 25.1 percent and that Sweden was appalled by that and so envious of New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EWell, I have got news for Mr Groser, and I have got news that is hard facts. He needs to spend a little bit more time in this country and a little bit less time on junket trips around the world. The unemployment rate for 15 to 19-year-olds in this country, according to the New Zealand household labour force survey of March 2013, is\u2014guess what. Guess what the percentage of unemployed for the 15 to 19 age group is. Do any of the National Party members know what that is? Would you take a guess? Would it be close to the 25.1 percent of Sweden? Would any of you know? Well, actually, the figure in New Zealand is 25.6 percent\u201426 percent of 15 to 19-year-olds in New Zealand are unemployed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003ESo here we have Mr Groser going on about how terrible youth unemployment is in Sweden\u2014it has a rate of 25.1 percent\u2014and saying how wonderful New Zealand is when, in actual fact, New Zealand\u2019s youth unemployment rate is higher. So, Mr Groser, I suggest that you spend a little bit more time in this country, and a little bit less time wandering around the world, and learn about the facts of your own country. In terms of unemployment in the next age group, 22 to 24-year-olds, it is 10.9 percent, and for 25 to 29-year-olds it is 7.1 percent. This is appalling. This means that you are talking about one in every four or five of our young people in this country being out of work. That is appalling. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EIf you look at the regions around this country\u2014Northland, with an average of 10 percent unemployment; the Bay of Plenty, with 8 percent unemployment; Gisborne - Hawke\u2019s Bay, with 8.4 percent unemployment; and the Manawat\u016B-Wanganui area with 7.7 percent unemployment\u2014you see that these are not good figures at all. We constantly hear the National Government saying that it is trying to get unemployment down when, in actual fact, out in the provinces things are pretty grim. It is even worse if you are a M\u0101ori or a Pasifika person, or if you are from Middle Eastern, Latin American, or African areas. M\u0101ori are currently 13.9 percent of our unemployed people in this country. Pasifika people are even worse off at 15.2 percent. Those of Middle Eastern, Latin American, or African origin are 10.9 percent. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EIt was interesting that a survey of National Party voters in the paper on the weekend said that they were not that affected by unemployment. Not many people in their families were affected by unemployment. They did not know too many people suffering from unemployment. It was interesting that the favoured few\u2014the rich cats who were referred to before by Mr Groser\u2014seem to be exempt from this. It does seem that the anointed ones\u2014those who support the National Party\u2014certainly seem to be doing well out of this Government while the middle-class, everyday, good, hard-working, average Kiwi is not. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EThere is nothing to promote growth in this Budget. There is nothing for jobs or to lift incomes for good, hard-working Kiwis. This Budget does nothing for provincial New Zealand. In fact, it attacks provincial New Zealand. We heard last week that provincial New Zealand will be paying an extra 3c a litre from 1 July, which will rise by another 3c for the next 2 years to 9c a litre. So people in the likes of those areas with high unemployment\u2014in the likes of Northland, in the likes of Gisborne - Hawke\u2019s Bay, in the likes of Manawat\u016B-Wanganui and the Bay of Plenty\u2014are not going to be seeing anything for their extra 3c to 9c a litre on their fuel tax. They are simply just going to be paying more money to put petrol in their family car and in their work vehicle each week to get to and from work or to take their family out and about. They are not going to see anything more from it, because all the \u201Croads of National Party significance\u201D\u2014all the \u201Croads of National Party significance\u201D\u2014happen to be north of Hamilton, in the main.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228197ee5460254821abd2e7946078f260\u0022\u003EHon Anne Tolley\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s not true.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002272bbf6ea84eb47598727d975fb7696f7\u0022\u003EANDREW WILLIAMS\u003C/span\u003E: They are. They are, apart from a little bit in Wellington and a little bit in Christchurch. In all those provincial areas, hundreds of kilometres away, they will see next to nothing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EWhat have we had from this Government, apart from 5 years of tinkering around the edges? We have had a lot of broken promises. For example, in July 2007 the then Leader of the Opposition, John Key, said: \u201CThat would be a fundamental purpose of our Government, to narrow the wage gap between ourselves and Australia, and to grow local wages in New Zealand.\u201D That is what he promised as the Leader of the Opposition in July 2007. The reality today is that the wage gap with Australia has increased by $58.18 a week. So 5 years later he has not followed through on his promises as the Leader of the Opposition. In fact, we are worse off compared with Australia. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EOn 27 November 2007 John Key, still the Leader of the Opposition, said: \u201CWe\u2019re here today at Westpac Stadium.\u201D\u2014and many of you will recall him standing in the middle of Westpac Stadium\u2014\u201CIt holds nearly 35,000 people. And believe it or not, the equivalent of this entire stadium\u2014and more\u2014leaves every year to permanently live in Australia.\u201D And then Mr Key went on to say: \u201CI\u2019m convinced we can give them a reason, and a purpose, to stay in New Zealand. And that\u2019s why I want to be New Zealand\u2019s next Prime Minister.\u201D That is what he said. Well, what happened? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EThis was also the promise: \u201CWe\u2019ve got an agenda which is about the economy, it\u2019s about building opportunities, it\u2019s about stopping 80,000 people leaving a year to other parts of the world.\u201D That is what he said on 27 August 2008, leading up to the election. The reality, 5 years later, is that 126,669 New Zealanders have left for Australia under John Key. So his promises as the Leader of the Opposition and coming into Government have not been fulfilled. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EAs to asset sales, much of this Budget was built on the sale of assets, trying to balance the books, and trying to come into surplus in a few years\u2019 time. On 12 October 2008 Mr Key released My key commitments to you. These were his commitments to you. He said: \u201CI\u2019m not interested in selling assets\u2014I\u2019m all about building assets.\u201D So is it not interesting that in 2008 he talked about building assets but, in actual fact, the whole agenda was to sell assets? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EHe then went on to say on his personal commitment card: \u201CI personally guarantee that we will maintain and build New Zealand\u2019s asset base by \u2026 not selling Kiwibank or any other state-owned company.\u201D The reality, however, was that National has sold off Mighty River Power, selling nearly half of something that all New Zealanders, including every person in this room, already owned, and it has moved it over to the wealthy people who could afford to buy the shares, and 2.5 percent of New Zealanders are now better off as a result. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003EMr Key said on 30 January 2007: \u201CI have no intention of being a Prime Minister who tackles only the easy and convenient issues \u2026 But I can tell you that dealing with the problems of our growing underclass is a priority for National, both in opposition and in government.\u201D He said that as the Leader of the Opposition. The reality today, under this Budget, is that the underclass has grown, with 32,873 more children living in benefit-dependent households during the time of this Government than when National come into office. This Budget has not delivered for the underclass, and it has not delivered for low and middle income New Zealanders. This is a very disappointing Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022 data-id=\u002218ab3acc238946aba4b6c5d67efcee5d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002218ab3acc238946aba4b6c5d67efcee5d\u0022\u003ETE URUROA FLAVELL (M\u0101ori Party\u2014Waiariki):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. Ka nui te mihi ki a t\u0101tou. Talofa lava. There is a saying in Maoridom that goes something like this: Tama t\u016B, tama ora; tama moe, tama mate. Loosely translated it says something like: \u201CThose who are productive will survive and those who sit back will die or perish.\u201D It is a message that has been widely reflected, I think, in Budget 2013. It reflects the thinking that our wh\u0101nau will reap the rewards of security in jobs and increasing the income that comes into the homes, and that is important. It is the concept behind Wh\u0101nau Ora; that together we can achieve the transformation we need to stand on our own two feet and craft our future. But it also could apply that those of us who turn up to Parliament each day and focus on making gains for our people can expect to see results. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EThis Budget is a pragmatic Budget driven by the needs of the people. It is a Budget that allocates resources that matter; resources to enable our wh\u0101nau to stand tall and to stand strong. I want to focus on three themes that represent the gains that we of the M\u0101ori Party have fought so hard for in this year\u2019s funding\u2014namely, opportunity, support, and sustenance. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EThe M\u0101ori Party has a track record of seizing opportunities, taking big decisions quickly, and grabbing the moment to make the difference. We have been elected into this place to make everything count, to open the doors, and to ensure that the voice of tangata whenua is interwoven throughout every vote, every departmental balance sheet, and every ministerial portfolio. So this Budget builds on that powerful precedent established by Wh\u0101nau Ora to do what is right for all of our wh\u0101nau. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EA basic moral test for any Parliament is how our most vulnerable members are faring. The M\u0101ori Party has always taken steps to protect those of our wh\u0101nau who are facing challenges, te pani me te rawa kore, and this Budget is an opportunity, a good opportunity, to put resources where they matter most: in our homes, in our k\u014Dhanga, in our kura, in our marae, in our daily lives. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EOne of the highlights for us is in the dedicated investment in M\u0101ori and Pasifika trades training. It is not just about the $43 million\u2014and that is absolutely sizable. It is also about the focus of working in partnerships with iwi, with hap\u016B, with M\u0101ori and Pasifika communities, the community groups, and with the employers and the tertiary education organisations. Everyone will be in the same room talking to one another, making sure that M\u0101ori and Pasifika learners have the support of vocational training, apprenticeships, qualifications, and even perhaps the cost of the tools themselves. We have another saying that goes something like this: M\u0101 t\u014Du rourou, m\u0101 t\u014Dku rourou ka ora te iwi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E[With your food basket and my food basket the people will live.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EWorking together we can make it happen. That collective and collaborative approach, which Wh\u0101nau Ora has delivered on and He Kai Kei Aku Ringa, the M\u0101ori economic development strategy, is built upon, comes together in the form of Marae CBD. This, I believe, is a fantastic initiative, one that the M\u0101ori Party campaigned on in the 2011 elections, and I have to say it is revolutionary in its making. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EWhat we see occurring with Marae CBD is the opportunity to restore our marae to thriving hubs of social, cultural, and economic activity to their wh\u0101nau. It is a great day indeed when $1.2 million is set aside to invest in the entrepreneurship that is marae-led and marae-based. We have worked hard to make sure that we provide all of our children with the best possible chance of success, and it starts from participation in early childhood education. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EThis Budget delivers $172 million in new investment in early childhood education, with the funding targeted to support our most vulnerable communities, and it is focused on making a big impact amongst M\u0101ori and Pasifika communities. That is an opportunity not just in setting a pathway of educational success for our mokopuna but also to improve upon quality and leadership to make sure that all of our babies are equipped for a brilliant future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EOf course, an opportunity can be realised only if we have the courage and the strength to actually last the distance, and that is why a second policy plank for our Budget pledges this year has been on support. We knew that to achieve our aspirations to lift wh\u0101nau incomes it is not just about jobs and training and further education, it is about the dollars and the cents coming into the household. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EThere are two particular packages that we are proud of having pioneered and that is the emphasis on microfinance and the support for financial literacy. This Budget brings with it a commitment to pilot a partnership with NGOs and financial institutions. In my electorate of Waiariki the AWHI Credit Union has been working for years to help its own families help themselves. It is about mutual self-help. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EToday we welcome the move to support the provision of low or no interest loans for low-income borrowers. Too many of our families have been caught in a stranglehold of loan sharks, who strip them of their dignity and rob them of their finances. I am sure you in your electorate, Mr Assistant Speaker Robertson, recognise some of that. This Budget, hopefully, supports them. Of course, our biggest hope was that we could act on lifting the minimum wage, but, unfortunately, the Government failed on that account\u2014unfortunately, yet again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EPerhaps the highlight for us in this year\u2019s Budget has been in the practical support we have pushed for in the area of housing. I want to congratulate our co-leader Tariana Turia on the massive $100 million of home insulation, and, particularly, its focus on low-income households and those with children or high health needs. We are also excited about the commitment to trial a warrant of fitness for Housing New Zealand properties and to then see that trial leading on to other social housing providers. I believe it is a genius idea promoted by the expert advisory group on poverty, and it is about supporting our families to thrive in a warm, dry home. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EThis Budget also attempts to address overcrowding, or, more to the point, to support so many of our wh\u0101nau who know the value of living collectively and choose to live together. Project 324\u0026amp;5, putting another 2,000 extra bedrooms on to existing homes, is a novel approach, I think, of responding to the needs of wh\u0101nau. Of course, one of the obvious reasons we have focused on healthy homes is to deal with some of the appalling health indicators that have beset M\u0101ori and Pasifika communities and wh\u0101nau for far too long. It beggars belief that despite 9 years of plenty the Labour Government did nothing to address the rates of rheumatic fever. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EThis Budget almost doubles what we originally achieved with the $24 million signed up to in the relationship accord with National. Tariana Turia has gained another $21 million for rheumatic fever prevention, and all credit to her for that fight to keep our children alive. Another boost and another important health announcement\u2014which took place today, I believe\u2014was the $35 million boost of new funding to prevent diabetes and heart disease. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EWhen we are talking about survival, that brings me to the third major platform of the M\u0101ori Party influence on Budget 2013 and that is, of course, Te Reo M\u0101ori me ng\u0101 tikanga. From unlikely quarters, one of the first tweets this afternoon was from Morgan Godfrey, celebrating the fact that papak\u0101inga housing and Te Reo M\u0101ori had been increased. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EFor the benefit of Mr Harawira, who has clearly has not read the Budget, let me count a couple of things that he should have noted: $12 million to support and retain teachers in M\u0101ori language immersion education, $8 million for a new M\u0101ori language research fund, $5.9 million for priority learners to gain National Certificate of Educational Achievement (NCEA) level 2\u2014that is, M\u0101ori\u2014an increase of the M\u0101 Te Reo funding of $2.5 million, 30 new scholarships to attract M\u0101ori and Pasifika candidates into the teacher education area, and funding for new kura with $134 million for capital funding announced by the Associate Minister of Education Nikki Kaye. It is one of the most dedicated announcements of funding for M\u0101ori medium education that we have ever seen in many years, and all credit to my colleague Dr Sharples. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EIn closing, it is not all good news. Of course we have asked for a lot more, and we still stand resolute in our opposition to the sale of State assets, which has bankrolled this Budget. We have some real issues around the welfare reform work stream, and we are deeply concerned at the lack of emphasis on wise environmental stewardship, kaitiakitanga. That aside, this Budget is still about wh\u0101nau, and we hope that it does produce the benefits that we set out in negotiating with the National Party. Ka nui te mihi. Kia ora t\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u002287b9530dc0534824b58fcb56ba9de6f0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002287b9530dc0534824b58fcb56ba9de6f0\u0022\u003EDr MEGAN WOODS (Labour\u2014Wigram):\u003C/span\u003E Budgets are about priorities, and Budget 2013 writ large once again that tertiary education is not a priority for this National-led Government. It is a slow and painful attack that is changing the way we view and approach tertiary education in this country. It is a long and steady shift. It is a long and steady shift from public provision to private provision. It is a long and steady shift from backing our students to study to not backing them, and to not investing in our future. This Budget missed the opportunity to invest properly in tertiary education, and in New Zealand students in the process. This is yet another anti-education Budget, like those we have seen in the last 5 years from this Government\u2014that education is a cost to be cut and not something to invest in. We have seen this in so many areas, and, notably, we have seen it in the area of tertiary education. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EBut this really is not surprising, given that the Minister for Tertiary Education, Skills and Employment, Steven Joyce, sees tertiary education as something that needs to be dampened down. Tertiary education is not something that he sees as positive for the future of our country any more; no, we have a Minister with the self-declared aspirational aim of dampening down demand. He is a Minister who thinks that success in his portfolio is turning students away from our tertiary institutions, rather than enrolling them and empowering them with the skills and the learning that a tertiary education can give to people. This is what aspiration for New Zealand has come to mean under this Government: cost cutting and turning people away. We saw it in the last Budget, when we limited access to education by cutting student allowances for postgraduate students. This Government might talk big the rhetoric of the fact that we need to be an innovation-led economy, that innovation is our future, and that we need research and development, but it turned off the tap of that innovation incubator that is postgraduate study. We have seen this Government and this Minister have to concede that his moves in the last Budget have meant we have fewer postgraduate students in this country now as a consequence. This is something for which we will pay the price for a long time to come. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EWhat did we have in this year\u2019s Budget? What group did the Minister turn his guns on to dampen down demand for education? Those over 40. As a 39-year-old, I take great umbrage at the fact that this Minister does not think that someone over 40 can learn anything else. This is a Government that is really taking literally the idea that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks. This is a Government that is ready to throw anyone over 40 on the scrap heap and tell them that they are not worth investing in, that they have nothing to offer the nation, and that we as a nation will not get any benefit from retraining them. The Government is telling people over 40 all over this country \u201CWe don\u2019t need you.\u201D By limiting student support and student allowance to 120 hours for those over 40, we are denying ourselves as a country opportunities in so many areas. This is a Budget of lost opportunity. You know, National Governments past and the National Party used to believe in the notion of lifelong learning. Even while we were chasing Lockwood Smith out of windows at the University of Canterbury in the 1990s, he still did believe in the notion of lifelong learning. He still thought that people, whatever their stage in life, had something to offer and something to contribute. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EBut what we have seen in terms of tertiary education in Budget 2013 is, once again, National\u2019s commitment to the two-speed economy\u2014the two-speed economy in relation to geography. This is a Government that, when it comes to tertiary education, has given up on the regions. It has made funding decision after funding decision that is leaving the regions cold\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f0fe775c3b341288763397b4e402e60\u0022\u003EHon Anne Tolley\u003C/span\u003E: Rubbish!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227773d40452cb4a5387f462aca1a6eb86\u0022\u003EDr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014in terms of the provision of tertiary education. It is a Government that simply does not believe in it. Members opposite are telling me \u201COh, this is rubbish.\u201D, and Anne Tolley, in particular, is calling out something. Well, I am going to talk about the Eastern Institute of Technology in that Minister\u2019s electorate and what the Eastern Institute of Technology has lost under her Government. The fact is that levels 1 and 2 provision has fallen all over New Zealand, and, most notably, in the regions. When that Government made a decision to competitively tender out levels 1 and 2 foundation tertiary education, it made a decision to do national provision. The national provision has meant that regions all over New Zealand are suffering. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EAnne Tolley, instead of barracking across the House, might like to give some thought to what it is that the region that she represents has lost. What has the Eastern Institute of Technology lost since her Government has been in Government? Well, it lost $2.3 million in 2013 as a result of that competitive tendering. That is right\u2014$2.3 million cut from the Budget and fewer students in that part of the country who can stay in that region and receive their tertiary education. All this is at a time when 2,574 people from Gisborne and the Hawke\u2019s Bay have permanently migrated from that area to Australia. This is not a Government that is willing to back our regions. This is a Government that has seen apprenticeships in that Minister\u2019s area fall by 40 percent since 2008. This is not a Government that is backing the skills training and the education of our young people, while all the time Hawke\u2019s Bay has had a skill shortage in the area of industrial electricians, welders, and precision engineering\u2014all things that could have been taught at the Eastern Institute of Technology if this Government had not decided to slash funding and slash costs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EBut it is not just Minister Anne Tolley\u2019s area that has lost funding. Canterbury, Gisborne, as I mentioned, Hawke\u2019s Bay, Nelson, Marlborough, the West Coast, Otago, Taranaki, Waikato, and Wellington have all seen a net loss of levels 1 and 2 provision in their regions because of the cuts this Government has put in place. What we have seen is $51.6 billion less going into our polytech sector since Budget 2011. A further $38 million was put out for this private provision, and where did this $38 million go if it did not go to our polytechs? That is right, it went to private training enterprises. Again, it is continuing the theme of moving from public to private provision of tertiary education in this country. This is something that this Government cannot be proud of. This is a Government that is letting down its young people and is not properly providing tertiary education opportunities in our regions. In so many areas, this is a Government that has no plan for, and has given up on, regional New Zealand. Tertiary education is just another area where that Government has done it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EIt is time that we had a new approach. Labour is proud of its history, from Peter Fraser right through to the last time when we were in Government, in the way in which we have backed tertiary education. We democratised it and we allowed people to enter it. It is time that we got back to that. The world is changing. The merchant bank approach to our economy is no longer enough. We need a Government that knows that skills and a productive economy are absolutely central to our future. This is not a Government that believes in that; instead, it is a Government that sees the training of our young people and the tertiary education of our young people only as a cost to be cut. This is not something that can continue. We look forward to a time when we have a Labour Government that will deliver a Budget that sees tertiary education as an investment and will back our young people in that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a7e1e68dbb145b3addf59908a709237\u0022\u003EDr Cam Calder\u003C/span\u003E: This principled, pragmatic\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u00223b2bfc95b05b437795866cf426e848f2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223b2bfc95b05b437795866cf426e848f2\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I have not called the member yet, but he can stand and ask.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c9b6c2b7c4d34519a18518bf435bb2c9\u0022\u003EDr Cam Calder\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208379f4fb8914728ba8fa88c9d0c0c18\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I call the honourable member Cam Calder.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022 data-id=\u00227fd2ae1809d345e4aeea538e262d2425\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227fd2ae1809d345e4aeea538e262d2425\u0022\u003EDr CAM CALDER (National):\u003C/span\u003E Enchant\u00E9. Merci. The principled, pragmatic Government continues to work relentlessly for the betterment of every New Zealander. It is working and succeeding in cushioning vulnerable New Zealanders from the ongoing effects of the worst financial conditions in decades. Whilst in Spain the unemployment rate is in excess of 25 percent and that of the US is in double figures, here in New Zealand the household labour force survey shows very encouraging job growth, with the unemployment rate dropping from 6.9 percent to 6.2 percent in the March quarter. There were 38,000 more people employed in that quarter. This result puts New Zealand in 11th place in the OECD. Our participation rate grew to almost 68 percent and remains higher than that of Australia, which rests at around about 65 percent. Our growth in GDP, at 3 percent, is higher than for most other developed countries. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EWages have increased by 22 percent since 2008; 22 percent is twice the rate of inflation. House mortgage rates are at the lowest in 50 years. Annual inflation is running at 0.9 percent. The cost of living increase is the lowest in decades, and we have heard that Standard and Poor\u2019s has endorsed the Government\u2019s approach by placing us in the world\u2019s 10 least risky economies. Just yesterday the good news continued. Further positive signs of a stronger economy, underpinning the tax revenue and combined with responsible control over spending, kept the operating balance before gains and losses\u2014the OBEGAL deficit\u2014below $4 billion, which was $664 million less than was forecast. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EThe Government\u2019s economic management has been widely praised over the last few years by a variety of international pundits of impeccable economic credentials. Most recently, the IMF Managing Director, Christine Lagarde, praised the Government\u2019s economic policy and Business Growth Agenda. She described the economy as being very stable, very promising, and a lot better than in other parts of the world. Imagine what her comment would be should the New Zealand economy be managed by a dysfunctional pick-up team of an anti - free market Labour Party and the red-green money-printers. The IMF, in the report issued only yesterday, endorsed New Zealand\u2019s balanced and pragmatic economic management and confirmed that the Government\u2019s economic plan strikes the right balance between supporting growth and limiting public debt. The IMF stated: \u201CThe benefits of the plan are many. First, it withdraws fiscal stimulus at the right time by making room for the expected increases in private sector and earthquake-related construction spending. Second, it has improved the macroeconomic policy mix by reducing pressure on monetary policy. Third, it creates fiscal space to help the country deal with aging and health care costs that are expected to increase over the long-term and to cope with any negative shocks that may cause a sharp reduction in domestic economic activity or potential liabilities associated with the banking sector. Last, it could help raise national savings, reduce the current account deficit, and limit the increase in foreign liabilities.\u201D It is a resounding vote of confidence in this Government\u2019s proven, prudent financial management, a safe pair of hands, and a stark contrast to the reincarnated 1970s Labour Party in coalition with those of a red-green hue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EOur economic programme includes a large number of measures aimed at improving the competitiveness of businesses, including increasing our exports and infrastructure and innovation, improving skills, deepening the capital markets, and sustainably developing our natural resources\u2014interventions vehemently decried by Labour and the Greens. It seems they truly do believe that all they would have to do, should they ever find themselves on the Treasury benches, is press a button and print money. Hopefully, that is a clarion warning call to all thinking New Zealanders mindful of their children\u2019s and grandchildren\u2019s future. This Government is encouraging investment right across the New Zealand economy, as we know that nothing creates jobs and grows income for New Zealand families better than economic growth. A growing, healthy, productive economy allows us to invest in infrastructure, better public services, security, education, and health. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003ENo Government has ever spent more on health. Let us look at the facts. We are making $1.6 billion available over 4 years, boosting total health spending to a record $14.7 billion\u2014$14.7 billion. While many developed countries around the world are freezing or even reducing their health funding, National is growing and protecting our public health services. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EIn my maiden speech I spoke of my wish to see a campaign for men to raise their awareness of the need to take responsibility for their prostate health. Budget 2013 delivers $4.3 million over 4 years to raise awareness among men of the need to look after their prostate health. Each year about 3,000 men are diagnosed with prostate cancer and more than 600 die of the disease. A prostate cancer awareness campaign will ensure men get better information, will get better care, and will ultimately enjoy better survival rates. This Budget is great news for Kiwi blokes and their families. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EWe are combating the high rate of obesity in New Zealand by significantly increasing funding to raise the number of people getting heart and diabetes checks. That is a national health target. We are doubling the funding for Green Prescriptions, at a cost of some $7.2 million. Green Prescriptions see general practitioners or nurses prescribe exercise and improved diet to patients and their families, which is a proven way of increasing physical activity and improving health. We have extended the Fruit in Schools programme. Last year over 18 million individual pieces of fruit were delivered to pupils in low-decile schools. Over 100,000 students in 484 schools across our country benefited. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003ESadly, New Zealand faces an increase in dementia as people live longer. This Budget invests $17 million in aged-care and dementia services, including improved home support services, trained health care workers, and increased funding for dementia care workers and bed subsidies. We have targeted $100 million to meet population changes and cost pressures in disability support services. We are investing $48 million in elective surgery such as hip replacements and for cataracts, and more than $21 million to reduce the incidence of rheumatic fever among our most vulnerable, which is particularly apposite in our schools in Manurewa, in M\u0101ngere, and in Manukau East, in parts of the far north, in Flaxmere, and in Porirua. I was visiting Ng\u0101 Iwi School just last week, delivering a certificate to the principal there for its hard work in reducing the incidence of rheumatic fever by swabbing the throats of vulnerable kids. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003ENo Government has ever spent more on education\u2014no Government has ever spent more on education. National\u2019s targeted spend across the entire education sector for 2013-14 will be $12.4 billion. Ensuring every child gets a good education, we believe, is the most crucial intervention we can make to raise living standards, unlock the potential that lies within all our young people, and allow them to realise their dreams and aspirations and to create a more competitive and productive economy. We are spending over $1.5 billion on early childhood education. Our education investment in early childhood education and in primary and secondary schooling is 7.2 percent of our GDP, which is well above the OECD average of 5.8 percent. This is a huge increase, up from the $860 million spent on early childhood education in 2007-08, yet only a few weeks ago the New Zealand Educational Institute president had the barefaced effrontery to rail against cuts in early childhood education. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EWe are spending $5.67 billion on primary and secondary schools and over $4.2 billion on tertiary education, but, unlike with the previous Government, this spend is targeted and we expect results from the money invested. All up, our spend on education is well over $12 billion, as I mentioned. We are demanding outcomes from our spend and are setting ourselves targets. We make no apologies for wanting all kids to leave school with the tools and skills they need to unlock the potential that lies within all of them. That means intervening early with those being left behind, and lifting them up and encouraging those who are doing well to do even better. We know that quality early childhood education sets a child up for life, and we are aiming in 2016 to have 98 percent of all entrants in school having participated in early childhood education. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EWe have invested over $48 million in the Targeted Assistance for Participation fund, which will mean that vulnerable communities, Pasifika, and M\u0101ori, many of whom are in the south of Auckland\u2014Manurewa, M\u0101ngere, Manukau East\u2014will benefit and be engaged in early childhood education. This is a prudent, compassionate Government delivering a fiscally responsible Budget for the betterment of all New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022 data-id=\u0022a982dda503f94d20b990f394ade9cbca\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a982dda503f94d20b990f394ade9cbca\u0022\u003ENICKY WAGNER (National\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to speak today on this Budget 2013 because it has been a really important Budget. It is Bill English\u2019s fifth Budget, and the fifth in a series of Budgets that has taken us through the worst global recession since the 1930s. It is one of the five Budgets that have allowed us to invest in our communities, to support jobs, to protect our most vulnerable, and now to chart a path to pay off debt and to get back into surplus by 2014-15. It is a big ask, but we are getting there. We are on our way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EIt was good to see that the OECD in its economic survey just recently has confirmed that we are absolutely on the right track, that this Government is improving productivity to support long-term growth, that our banking system is in good shape, and that it applauds the fact that we are on track towards a Government surplus. The report also notes that the economy is gathering momentum. It is gathering momentum through the post-earthquake reconstruction of Christchurch and Canterbury, through business investment, and through increased household spending. This is all good news from this Budget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EOf course, as the MP for Christchurch Central I am mostly interested in what this Budget does for Christchurch. Supporting the rebuild of Christchurch and Canterbury is one of the four pillars of this Budget. It is one of the four, along with responsibly managing our finances, building a more productive and competitive economy, and delivering better public services. I have always been very grateful that the Prime Minister comes from Christchurch, that he was educated there, and that he began his working life there, because I know he understands us. I know he understands the value of our city and our province, and that he and this National Government support the rebuild 100 percent. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EWe are second-largest city in New Zealand. We are the gateway to the South Island. We are the first stop for tourists to the area. We are the hub for businesses and the transport centre for exports. It has been really good to see that despite all the damage from the earthquakes the port of Lyttelton has exported record tonnages over the last few months. Of course, we are the home of the Crusaders. Without doubt Canterbury and Christchurch are the economic powerhouses of the South Island and this rebuild is the biggest economic undertaking in New Zealand\u2019s history. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EFor the people who live in Christchurch and Canterbury, for our economic influence, and for our national pride it is enormously important that this city gets rebuilt. And it will be rebuilt. It will be rebuilt safer, stronger, more people-friendly, more sustainable, and even more beautiful. We are on our way to create a 21st century city and to position ourselves in the world as a great small city, and a place where people will want to live, will want to visit, and will want to invest. This is a one-off opportunity, and we have to make sure that we all make the very most of it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EI am really pleased that Budget 2013 has increased the Government\u2019s commitment to fund that rebuild by a further $2.1 billion. The total cost of the rebuild, which will include funds from insurance, from investment, and from local and central government is now estimated to be about $40 billion. We had thought $30 billion, but it has now escalated to $40 billion, and this Government\u2019s contribution will also increase from about $13 billion to $15 billion. It is a huge amount of money, and it indicates just how much work has got to be done in the city. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EIt is really positive for Christchurch and Canterbury because it underpins our future growth and jobs for at least another decade. Latest figures show that Christchurch is really doing well in terms of employment. The unemployment rate is down to 4.3 percent and dropping. There are increased wage rates, increasing numbers of building consents, and with a growth rate of 7.5 percent\u2014absolutely unheard of in New Zealand\u2014Canterbury is the most confident region in the country. Also, we have high levels of internal and external migration and low unemployment, and it is starting to become a real economic hotspot. Tourism is also increasing with our guest nights rising, and we have a higher than average proportion of international visitors visiting in comparison with local visitors. That is not surprising when you consider that Christchurch is deemed by Lonely Planet as one of the top 10 cities in the world to visit in 2013. Who would have ever thought that, pre-earthquake? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThe Budget increases funding for the things that matter most to Cantabrians\u2014rebuilding our homes and communities and investing in health and education. The Budget allocates $900 million of new capital funding for the rebuilding of the Christchurch Hospital and Burwood Hospital. This is going to be the biggest health project ever begun in New Zealand. There is also funding for the justice and emergency service precinct. This is a hub in the central city that will allow emergency services\u2014police, the Department of Corrections, St John Ambulance, and fire service\u2014to work together much more efficiently and effectively. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThe Budget has also got funding for tertiary education institutions. On top of that it allocates $92.4 million for the greater Christchurch 21st century school renewal programme, which will benefit many future generations of school students. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThere is an extra $303 million that has been allocated for the central city recovery plan, which includes nearly $80 million for the development of the Avon River precinct. The Avon River flows through the city, and that will become the focus for our city. The precinct will provide public amenities, and become the equivalent of a recreational waterfront right downtown. There is also funding for the final land zoning decisions, and the work of CERA, that is the Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Authority. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EOn top of all this Christchurch will benefit from its share of the general Budget investments. Those are the investments that are designed make our economy more productive and competitive, such as research and development for businesses and funding for tourism and international educational marketing\u2014all areas that are really important to us. Also Christchurch will be part of the broadband and irrigation projects. In terms of public services we will benefit from the Warm Up New Zealand: Healthy Homes project funding and improved support for low-income families. Of course, there is our share of the $14.7 billion going to health. That is health for all our families. It is focused on the elderly, dementia, diabetes, asthma, extra operations but also on maternity and child care, and men\u2019s health. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EAll in all, this is an intelligent and well - thought-out Budget. It is an excellent Budget for the people of Christchurch and Canterbury, and for the rebuild, and that is good for all New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022 data-id=\u0022320d69b57cca44a3891dde0473f5fde1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022320d69b57cca44a3891dde0473f5fde1\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National):\u003C/span\u003E It is interesting the way the sequence goes, but we seem to have just had a selection of speeches, one after the other, commending this Budget to Parliament. I rise to speak in favour of the Appropriation (2013/14 Estimates) Bill. I would like to congratulate my colleagues who have spoken on this Budget before me, and my equally esteemed colleagues who are to speak on it shortly. Although I know we all share the same level of excitement and enthusiasm, my own take on it is that this is a responsible, finely tuned Budget for what are, in my opinion, post-ideological times. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003ELet us think back to what we came through. The age of growing the Public Service to grow the economy is over. In fact it has been over for quite some time. As a nation we may be small in numbers, but we are productive and have proven ourselves as a nation to be highly capable of achieving great things with the materials that we have. This recognises the quintessential essence of fundamental New Zealand values. Unfortunately, previous Governments have not always recognised this and kept it in mind. Under the previous Labour Government the Public Service ballooned, but the services to the public did not improve. Nor did Labour policies prepare us for the impending global financial crisis. Rather than saving for a rainy day, one could say that the money was spent with what could be described as reckless disregard, knowing that by the time the coin\u2014or the lack thereof\u2014dropped they would be out of office and, indeed, in one notable case, out of the country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003ELabour\u2019s time in office has reminded us of one very simple fact: dogma does not pay bills. Dogma does not pay bills. When this Government came into office, it inherited a set of Government books that had debts running to more than 60 percent of GDP by 2020, and no prospect of Budget surpluses seemingly ever again. The Government has not and will not follow down that destructive road. We understand that a productive economy requires a fine balance of innovation and diversification and continuing to do what we have always done best, but in a smarter fashion. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EIn both the West Coast and Tasman regions, this Government has invested in tourism initiatives, such as three of the Prime Minister\u2019s Cycle Trails, while also ensuring that traditional industries, including responsible mining\u2014including responsible mining\u2014can continue as well. These initiatives, as well as those brought forward by local business groups who have seen the potential for future growth for the community, by the community, have led to a strong and growing belief across the region that we have turned into a positive stretch of road and that our future is indeed beginning to look bright. The National Government is building towards a stronger, more stable economy that can again weather global storms and deliver opportunities, higher incomes, and more jobs for New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EBudget 2013 continues our work to build a brighter future for Kiwi families. Economic growth is the highest in 5 years, almost the same as Australia and higher than almost every other developed country. Our economy is forecast to grow between 2 percent and 3 percent a year over the next 4 years. That is an enviable situation. The much-mentioned number of working-age New Zealanders crossing the Ditch has dropped so low that it seems to be conceivable that many of our recent graduates are simply crossing the ditch to create a time zone barrier between them and constant phone calls from their parents. It is said in relation to our Australian rivalry that jealousy is just love and hate at the same time. Well, Australia may have hated seeing Richie McCaw lift the Webb Ellis Cup, but it loves our sensible tax regime and more structurally sound regulatory environment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EThis National Government has created an environment in which business feels safe to invest and create. This is being evidenced, mentioned recently, by an increased corporate tax take of a considerable sum of money. There are 50,000 more jobs than 2 years ago, and the unemployment rate has fallen to 6.2 percent\u2014the lowest in 3 years. This is combined with a wage growth of 22 percent. Mortgage rates have hit 50-year lows\u2014the lowest since 1965. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EInnovation has been and will continue to be key to our continuing success. A feature of Budget 2013 is a $100 million a year for an internationally focused growth package providing extra research and development assistance to businesses, additional funding for tourism, and more resources for marketing New Zealand to international students. This growth package acknowledges New Zealand\u2019s need to pay its way in the world through increased trade and investment, which, in turn, creates jobs and opportunities for New Zealanders. It is all about increasing productivity. Within the package, science and innovation funding has increased by $50 million a year. This takes the Government\u2019s annual investment in research and development to $1.36 billion in 2013-14, which is the highest ever. That is something we can all be extremely proud of. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EInnovation, though, must not be seen as the place of only the economy. The need for public services to innovate is there also. Over the next 4 years we will invest $1.6 billion in new initiatives to meet cost pressures and population growth. We are investing in more support for aged and dementia care, more elective operations, better heart and diabetes care, and more preventative screening. The Government is helping more New Zealanders get the skills they need to build successful careers and fulfil their potential. We are lifting student achievement in all levels of the education system. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EBudget 2013 is focused on delivering better public services within tight financial constraints, but not at the expense of those in need. This, I am very proud to say, is a major feature of this Government. Following work by the Ministerial Committee on Poverty, Budget 2013 confirms important initiatives to support low-income families. These include $100 million over 3 years to insulate 46,000 more homes for low-income families, more than $21 million over the next 4 years to reduce rheumatic fever in children, and an extra $1.5 million for budgeting services in 2013-14 in addition to the $8.9 million already provided in 2012-13. There will be a whiteware procurement programme to help beneficiaries buy new appliances under warranty using Ministry of Social Development repayable grants. The Government is investigating in partnership with NGOs and financial institutions to support the provision of low or no interest loans for low-income borrowers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EWe have heard a lot recently in debates on a trial on Housing New Zealand Corporation properties of the Housing Warrant of Fitness programme for rental housing. Probably one of the major features of this Budget was in housing\u2014again, something that there is a great need for, and it is penetrating right through the Budget programme. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EThese projects in Budget 2013 as a whole will ensure that this exciting and enthusiastic nation continues to have a future that is worth being excited about\u2014a future that is worth being excited about; a future not based on arcane ideology, not based on scare tactics, not based on a tired or divisive dogma but based, rather, on working together as communities to ensure that we can all weather any storm that comes our way. I believe Budget 2013 will help achieve this, and I commend it to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022 data-id=\u00229d3753ea15ff45da8fdfd66e4ba846c8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229d3753ea15ff45da8fdfd66e4ba846c8\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON (Labour\u2014Port Hills):\u003C/span\u003E Can I say that I understand that it is the role of the National Party backbench to get up there and read their research notes with as much energy and passion and enthusiasm as they can. I accept that that is a legitimate role of backbench National Government members, but sometimes, I have to say, I sit in the House and I think \u201CThat member is better than that.\u201D That is exactly what I have been thinking for the last 10 minutes. That member, Chris Auchinvole, is better than the speech he was just forced by his whips to deliver. But I commend him for doing that; I commend him for his loyalty to his party more than his loyalty to the honesty of the past. I invite him to stop misrepresenting the past in the way that he did by reading the research notes\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8b33d0ebacc4efea20f4320cc666113\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Can I just say to the member that members should not make reference to the reading of speeches. It is entirely a matter for the Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225abfc2cdb4784a6089b074044c5b033c\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. Can I, Mr Assistant Speaker, commend your attention to detail. It is incredibly admirable, and I hope it is as contagious as courtesy is. There are a couple of points that the member raised when he presented so eloquently his speech to the House that I want to draw to his attention as being incorrect. He said, for example, that the public of New Zealand did not get any increased services through the increased investment that the Labour-led Government made in public services. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224610572fe8c94e6e90d38734cb18bd53\u0022\u003EChris Auchinvole\u003C/span\u003E: None of them much worth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229900b6906fd84b568a571023f0128cff\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON\u003C/span\u003E: I will remind that member of a couple of things. For example, in 1999 the Work and Income briefing to the incoming Minister had to be contracted out to a private contractor because Work and Income did not have the competence within its own organisation to write a fundamental document\u2014the briefing to the incoming Minister. If Mr Auchinvole thinks that is acceptable, then his standards are much lower than those that I support for the Public Service in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EI remember having to advocate for constituents to get into Work and Income appointments in less than 3 weeks. That time delay for appointments to see Work and Income is creeping up every month\u2014every month, every month. All the constituency MPs and any list MPs who support constituents in their area know that what I am saying is true. It is getting harder and harder and harder for people in need to get access to the public service support they deserve, because the Government is running down public services. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EMr Auchinvole also talked about the Labour Government squandering our money\u2014that we did not put anything away for a rainy day. That is just wrong. I can remember Michael Cullen year after year after year delivering on the public record a Budget surplus, and Bill English sitting over here, braying at him to spend it on tax cuts. Dr Michael Cullen said that tax cuts for the most wealthy New Zealanders were not the right thing to do with a Budget surplus, and that it was better to save for a rainy day and invest in our future. That is what he did, and it is the opposite of what this Government is doing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EI think that this Government should look at addressing the causes, as well as the symptoms, of poverty in a much more holistic way. Putting increased money into treating children who have rheumatic fever is very good, and we need to do that because we have children with rheumatic fever. Those are the symptoms. But unless the Government also invests in the causes of poverty-related illness, then we will continue to have children who do not just have a disease and then get better but who pay for their entire life in diseases of poverty, diseases that are preventable, and diseases that should be an embarrassment on the public record of this nation. We are not a Third World country, but we have children in our nation who have diseases that are common in Third World conditions. That is where we should start investing: in our children, in their health, and in their well-being. That is not what this investment sees. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EWhat the National Government is driving is a two-speed economy. We have two speeds geographically, with the main cities doing very well and the regions stagnating. That is not a good thing for New Zealand. It is not a good thing for the prosperity of the regions, obviously and literally, and it is not good for the morale of those areas either. We know what happens in provincial towns where we have high levels of unemployment and where young people are leaving school with no hope, with no light in their eyes, and with nothing to look forward to in their area. They leave, they go to cities for a better time and a job, they do not return, and the downward spiral in the provinces continues. Under National that has just ratcheted up. We have a two-speed economy, with the cities doing well and the regions stagnating. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EWe have two speeds within our economy, with our exporters and our manufacturers struggling. Some of the best and brightest of our country are struggling to survive while our speculators are doing very well. What sort of economy do we want? Do we want an economy that is based on cheap jobs, low-income jobs in tourism and hospitality\u2014where we have bigger and better casinos and lower-paid workers and casualised labour looking after the tourists who come to New Zealand\u2014or do we want a strong, high-wage, high-skill economy, where industries like those in our manufacturing sector are supported? We are getting the opposite under National. We see punishment of exporters and manufacturers, and support for our speculators. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EWe see the two-speed economy in Auckland, where the growth in house prices is absolutely rampant. We have suburbs in Auckland where there is no property to be bought for less than $1 million. That used to be the exception. Now we have entire suburbs like that\u2014$1 million suburbs\u2014yet we have people queuing for jobs in a supermarket. When a vacancy is advertised in a supermarket in Auckland hundreds of unemployed people try to get that one job, in the very next suburb to those million-dollar houses. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EWe have also a two-speed economy with regard to fairness, with incomes and wealth becoming more and more concentrated in the hands of the few, where the gap between those who are doing well and those who are not is getting bigger and bigger and bigger every month. There is growing inequality, growing tension, and growing frustration. This is the opposite of the healthy society that we in New Zealand have been so proud of for so long. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EWe certainly have a two-speed economy in Christchurch. Half of our city is depressed and angry, to the point where our district health board is issuing quite strong warnings about it. People are angry because they have got wrecked roads; they have no community facilities, no pools, and no libraries; and they have got houses that either they cannot live in because they are so badly damaged or they are not allowed to live in because Government Minister Gerry Brownlee refused to allow rockfall mitigation on the Port Hills on city council or Government land. This is not the sort of Budget that is going to address those fundamental issues. It is not the sort of Budget that is going to address that two-speed economy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003ELabour\u2019s KiwiBuild will build 10,000 affordable houses a year. That is the sort of smart thinking and long-term investment we need in New Zealand. Homes will be sold to owner-occupiers for what they cost to build, not to speculators who are banking on future tax-free capital gains. That is the sort of speculation the National Budget supports. That is the sort of inequity that it produces, where the speculators are doing well and the young people struggling to buy their first home cannot get their foot on the front doorstep. That is the sort of society that National supports, but it is not one that I support. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003ELabour\u2019s NZ Power policy will reduce average household power prices by $230 to $330 a year and lower business power bills by 5 to 7 percent. That is the sort of smart thinking and investment in New Zealand families and New Zealand businesses that this country is crying out for. Our current electricity market has excessive prices. We know that. We know that the boards and management salaries have been excessive. But National continues to back it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EWe want a Budget that gives New Zealand hope. We want a Budget with vision for the future for a fairer, more equal, and healthier nation, and that is the opposite of what National is delivering. National is delivering the opposite of what Labour will do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022 data-id=\u0022553b4cd7cde8472294f197237e2af1b3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022553b4cd7cde8472294f197237e2af1b3\u0022\u003ETODD McCLAY (National\u2014Rotorua):\u003C/span\u003E The last speaker in this debate on the Appropriation (2013/14 Estimates) Bill, the Hon Ruth Dyson, started her intervention by attacking my hard-working and very intelligent colleague Chris Auchinvole. She mentioned that she thought he could do so much better at his speech. Well, his speech was an excellent speech about the great job this Government is doing under extremely difficult circumstances. I only wish I could say the same of the last member and that she too could make a better speech than the one she has just delivered. In fact, her whole speech was about what is wrong not with New Zealand and not with this Government but what is wrong with Labour members, their view of New Zealanders, and their lack of desire for New Zealanders to get ahead\u2014their lack of ambition for all New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EThis Budget was one of the best Budgets that Bill English has delivered on behalf of New Zealand. We have had the great fortune on five occasions to stand up and say to Mr English: \u201CThis is a very good Budget for the times.\u201D We have got to remember that when we came into Government we inherited books that were going in the wrong direction, with great debt spiralling, and that around the world economies were crashing\u2014the global financial crisis. Mr English has said to New Zealand that we have a plan. He worked very hard over the first 3 years of this Government to put in place some of the building blocks to fix the problems in the economy we inherited. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003ECome the election a year and a half ago, we came forward to New Zealanders and reminded them of the plan. We were re-elected. This year Bill English has delivered another Budget that is part of that plan to build a stronger economy, a better economy, and an economy that will do much more for all New Zealanders and put us in a much better place in the world. This is just part of that plan that we move on with. I think that members of the New Zealand public get this. Certainly when I am out talking to them in different parts of the country, they know we have come through difficult times and they are grateful for the strong leadership our Minister of Finance has shown. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EThis is a Budget that builds on the momentum that we have created over almost 5 years now. It has four key priorities, including responsibly managing the Government\u2019s books, and I am certainly going to talk more about that in a moment, because we hear the opposite from Ruth Dyson and from many\u2014not all\u2014members opposite. They do not want to manage the Government\u2019s books responsibly; they want to tax everyday New Zealanders much, much more and spend on their behalf\u2014tax and spend. Well, we have had enough of that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EA second priority is building a more competitive and productive economy. Many members of this House agree that that is what we have got to do. Where we have great difficulty in this Parliament is agreeing on how to do that. Can I say to you and to our Minister of Finance, Bill English, that the plan he has put in place over the last 4\u00BD years is starting to show a great benefit in the areas of competitiveness and a productive, growing economy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EA third priority is to deliver better public services for New Zealanders, because New Zealanders deserve those better public services. I want to touch on a few of these in a moment, in particular the great work that Tony Ryall has done in health and the excellent levels of achievement that we are starting to see\u2014the job has only just started\u2014from Hekia Parata in education. Finally, the fourth priority is rebuilding Christchurch. That is so very, very important to all of New Zealand but particularly to the people of Canterbury, who have gone through such very difficult times. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EUnder unbelievably difficult conditions, Budget 2013 has freed up a further $1.5 billion by redirecting spending to where it matters most for New Zealanders. This takes the total reprioritisation of Government spending between Budget 2009 and today to $14.9 billion. That is $14.9 billion, which, had the Labour Party still been in Government, would have been spent in areas that were not productive for the economy. And, woe and behold, heaven forbid, under a Green-Labour coalition Government that figure of almost $15 billion would have been so very much more because Russel Norman and his mates have already got designs on more than $15 billion of spending of hard-earned money by New Zealand taxpayers that they want to take off them and tax, recycle, and print a bit more to spend. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EAt a time when the Government\u2019s finances are tight, reprioritising spending allows significant additional funding for new and improved initiatives, and there have been so many of them. This Budget was about spending well, not spending up\u2014spending well, not spending up. If Mr Norman has his TV on, wherever he may be, I bet you he has just turned it off because he does not understand that. He understands spending more money and printing more money; he does not understand that it is about better spending. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EIn the economy we have a record that all New Zealanders can be proud of. It is not good enough yet, we need to do much more work, but compared with almost every developed country in the world, New Zealand is punching above its weight, with the exception of one, and that is Australia. Have we not seen over the last little while that things are not as rosy across there as they were? Can you remember over the last four Budgets before this one? Bill English got on his feet and delivered excellent Budgets for the time for New Zealanders, and the Opposition members were screaming and yelling: \u201CWhy can\u2019t we be more like Australia?\u201D. Well, I can say to you, Mr Assistant Speaker, and to members opposite, that if it were not for the great work of Bill English they would have got their wish. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EThe Australian economy is going in the opposite direction from us now, and our economy would be so much more like theirs. Indeed, we have a 3 percent\u20143 percent\u2014GDP growth rate forecast over the next couple of years. There are so many countries of the world that wish they were in a position to have a 3 percent growth. In Europe is still negative and in America it is floundering. In many parts of the world, 3 percent is something they only dream of. Of course, we know that mortgages are at a 50-year low. Well, that is very easy to say, but for those New Zealanders out there working hard through difficult times, who are earning their money, paying their taxes, and paying their mortgages, they know there is real benefit to them with interest rates being at a 50-year low, because that is money in their pockets that they get to spend. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EDebt is under control. It is higher than anybody would want, but when we came to office in 2008, the forecast was that debt to GDP would hit 60 percent by 2020 under the policies that were in place during the 9 years of the Labour Government. Remember that that Labour Government had $20 billion worth of surpluses, $20 billion of extra money, and when it went out of Government, most of the problems that it accuses this Government of doing not enough about\u2014and can I say that we work very hard for New Zealanders\u2014were actually still there. They had not got better in those 9 years. The best we could say about the Labour Government was that at least it did not get as bad as it could have been. But after $20 billion of surpluses and all that skiting from the Labour Government, most of the great challenges were still there, and this Government inherited them. They were no better; perhaps they were even worse. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EWell, under this Government and Bill English\u2019s plan debt to GDP will be at just under 20 percent by the year 2020. That is a saving of $60 billion of debt to the taxpayer. Under Labour and its policies there would have been around $120 billion of debt and no possibility of any Government surpluses any time at all. Under the work that Bill English has done\u2014being careful about how we spend money, delivering better services for taxpayers, and unapologetically asking our civil servants to deliver more with the money that the taxpayer has earned and provided to them\u2014our debt to GDP level will be 17.6 percent. We are on track in 2014-15 to a modest surplus of $75 million. The Opposition is already working out how it will spend that if it became the Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EThe surplus is modest, but guess what. This year the amount that we will have to borrow is about $2 billion. So our Government deficit will be about $2 billion. In Australia the deficit is more than $20 billion. That is the country that Labour said, over four Budgets, that we must be more like. Labour members said: \u201CWe must be more like Australia. Why can we not be more like them?\u201D. Well, actually, the Australians are now wishing that they were a bit more like New Zealand. I think they wish that they had Bill English as their Minister of Finance to put in place a plan to be very careful with Government spending, to make sure they would get back to surplus, and to make sure debt levels would not grow. So we are on track back to surplus. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EI want to touch on one thing that I think is so very important to New Zealanders, and this shows you the great difference between the Labour Government of 9 years and the work we have done in 5 years. When we came into Government an elderly lady in my electorate wrote to me, saying: \u201CMr McClay, it looks like the Labour Government has ruined ACC. I know times are tough. You can have my little payment that I get back so that we can make it survive.\u201D That tells me that ACC is very important to New Zealanders; it is important to this Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003ERemember those billions of dollars of losses, those great challenges we had with ACC? Well, not only has the Government been able to turn that round but we have signalled in the 2015-16 year that there will be $1 billion of levy reductions to New Zealanders\u2014$1 billion going back to them because ACC is now in great condition financially. We have 40 percent of lower ACC levies signalled for families and businesses. That is fantastic work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022972c182306fd4d95a464f565e2d2a187\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: Why not now?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a2fe80e759f04ed6893d84e984bc162b\u0022\u003ETODD McCLAY\u003C/span\u003E: The member asks: \u201CWhy not now?\u201D. It is because we have a plan; we need to stick to it. It is not about borrowing and spending, as that member\u2019s party would do. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022 data-id=\u0022912f34b4a5cb4e23b7e4357ad1e006ee\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022912f34b4a5cb4e23b7e4357ad1e006ee\u0022\u003EGARETH HUGHES (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora. Ng\u0101 mihi nui ki a koutou. Kia ora. In this Budget debate I want to rise to talk about the economic choices facing our nation. New Zealand faces a number of economic challenges. We face growing inequality, decline in economic competitiveness relative to other nations, growing debt, and a large number of Kiwis out of work. Over the last 60 years New Zealand has seen a steady decline in comparative economic performance, and despite Kiwis working some of the longest hours for some of the lowest wages in the OECD, the country is sprinting\u2014it is running as fast as it can\u2014just to stay where we currently are. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EIn this Budget 2013 debate I would like to see our Parliament put aside some of the pointless point-scoring we have heard from the Government benches, some of the petty partisan politics, and the intellectually lazy reading of pre-prepared notes from research departments. Let us have a debate around the economic direction of our country. Let us ask some of the questions, like what it will take to deliver a prosperous New Zealand for our kids. What is the direction we should be taking? Where are the new jobs and the new innovation going to come from? And is New Zealand currently on the right path? These are all important questions if we want our kids and future generations of New Zealanders to grow up knowing there are good jobs to go into. The question is whether New Zealand is going to keep sliding down that OECD ranking, and whether the poverty that some Kiwi families find themselves in right now is going to be exacerbated or alleviated in the coming decades. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EThe Government has tried to make this Budget debate about just the surplus. But if you look at the numbers, there is the current account deficit, which is a more worrying measure of our economic performance, and what we know from the Government\u2019s books is that we are set to be the worst\u2014the worst\u2014in the OECD by 2017. Our national debt is set to skyrocket\u2014$61 billion extra over the next 5 years\u2014and our tradable sector is struggling. Without new exports or innovation we are going to have to keep selling the assets and keep resorting to borrowing offshore to maintain our lifestyles. That has been confirmed just today with the release of the OECD Economic Surveys: New Zealand 2013. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EWhen you drill down past the spin, what the Budget reveals is severe structural problems facing us. They are getting worse. National\u2019s entire economic strategy is flawed. What we are doing as a country is digging ourselves ever deeper into an economic hole. The current path National has New Zealand on is clearly not working. As the saying goes, if you find yourself in a hole, it is time to stop digging. But despite the worst economic performance of New Zealand in the last 50 years, National is doing just that. The one answer it has to our economy is literally to dig more holes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EWhy would you pick fossil fuels and digging more holes and drilling more wells as your one industry to save the economy? It has got the fourth-lowest royalty plus tax rate in the world. There are pages and pages of tax exemptions, and data out today shows that the Government is currently spending $46 million subsidising fossil fuel production and exploration in New Zealand. The Government literally called out the navy when iwi and protesters got in their way, and it changed the laws at the behest of foreign offshore oil companies. I remember when the National Party used to talk about \u201Cone law for all\u201D. Now what we hear from the National Party is \u201Cone law for oil\u201D. That is what we hear. It is another egregious display, just like the shameful Skycity deal\u2014another display of making crony capitalist decisions for its mates. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EThe question the country should be asking is why you would pick fossil fuels and digging more holes as your winner and why you would subsidise it, because it is entirely a gamble. The Government cannot guarantee there is any oil there. We know that the hypothetical oil is likely to be deep at sea. The only way it is ever going to be economically feasible to extract it is if the oil price is high. If the oil price is high, what we know is that every US$1 price rise in the barrel of oil wipes $40 million to $60 million off New Zealand\u2019s GDP. Given that we still import two-thirds more oil than we export, if the oil price is high we should be thinking about oil reduction plans, not oil dependency plans. Unlike most other Governments, militaries, councils, and businesses around the world, this Government has got no plan to reduce our dependency on oil. It has got no plan to even start planning. The only plan it has got is a $12 billion borrowing binge for motorways and $46 million subsidies for oil drillers. It is the only plan it has got. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EThe Government is not suggesting Kiwis are going to pay any less at the pump if we find more oil. It is not a smart, sustainable area to focus on. We know it is job-poor. We know the profits are going to flow offshore; the Government\u2019s own reports are saying 90-plus percent. We know it is unsustainable and there is still no plan for what happens once you have used up the oil or drilled it. It is inconsistent with taking climate change seriously. Even the International Energy Agency says that we cannot even burn 70 to 80 percent of the oil we already know about without the Government going and trying to subsidise people to find some more down in the depths of the ocean. It is a last century approach to economic development and it is the same type of thinking that got us into the mess we are in right now. It is a model based on resources, on commodities, and on being a price-taker, not a price-maker. It is about not being able to influence our country\u2019s economic destiny. It is a gamble that someone will find something down there and they will not leave too much of a mess as they extract it, and that maybe we will clip the ticket somewhat as they send the profits offshore. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003ENew Zealand is always going to lose under this strategy. If you look at the other legs of the National Party\u2019s plan\u2014dairy intensification and more mining\u2014New Zealand is always going to lose out if we are trying to race Uruguay to cram more cows on a paddock. We are going to lose if we are trying to compete with China to see who can drill more holes in the ground and compromise our environment. We are always going to lose in New Zealand if we are racing to trash our environment faster towards economic growth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EAnother option, of course, is to look to the future. It is to have a plan around what is coming in the next century\u2014the century we are in, not the last century. It is to look at the markets and where international capital investment is heading. It is to focus on what Sir Paul Callaghan said was our strengths, our niches. It is to focus on a smart, green strategy that is going to build a richer New Zealand. Our strengths are in technology. They are in clean energy, in a pure New Zealand brand that sees a premium paid when we export our products around the world. In 2011 Bloomberg reported that international capital investment in renewables outstripped fossil fuels. That is where the smart money is heading. That is where New Zealand should be looking, not at making more holes in the ground. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EDo not get me wrong. I have got nothing against digging holes in the ground. In fact, I would not mind digging a few\u2014just some holes with a smarter rationale. I mean, I would like to see the Government dig a trench to have a second internet cable to link New Zealand to our markets for resiliency, for competition benefits, and to support our thriving information and communications technology sector. I mean, this is a $23 billion industry that, you know, has grown by $3 billion in the last year alone. Over the same period our oil imports have been down, and just today the same OECD report that I referenced said that New Zealand\u2019s high-cost, low-speed internet is slowing us down. The Government could do more to support the sector. From greater education, apprenticeships, scholarships, procurement, removing patent software, and a second internet cable, there is a lot the Government could do. This is a much smarter future for New Zealand, because there is virtually no limit to the amount of software or information and communications technology services we could be exporting around the world, but there is a limit to the amount of cows we can cram on a paddock or holes we could dig. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EI would also like to see another hole dug, this time in the Auckland central business district. A central business district rail link for Auckland will transform our biggest city\u2019s public transport network. It is going to unclog it. It is going to benefit motorists, primarily, and it is going to help supercharge our biggest city. I think unclogging our biggest city\u2019s transport and reducing the $8 billion fuel import bill is a smart way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EThirdly, I want to see a power system that works for Kiwis, for Kiwi businesses, not for excessive profits. Every year hundreds of millions of dollars are taken out of Kiwis\u2019 pockets and businesses\u2019 bottom lines, and we see excessive profits from the so-called market, which is acting like a huge stealth tax on our economy. Over the last 70 years our electricity prices for families have risen by 70 percent in real terms, while across the rest of the OECD their prices have dropped 6 percent on average. That is why we have put out the NZ Power plan\u2014to give Kiwis a choice. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EWhat we are seeing is a real choice. Under National there will be more price rises, more excuses, and more assets sold. Under the Greens and Labour what you are going to see is cheaper, greener power and Kiwis saving $300 a year. NZ Power is also going to deliver cheaper, greener electricity in a market that is more innovative, smarter, and ready to take on the challenges. Growing clean-energy exports is where the smart money is. That is where international investment is going. That is where the Pure Advantage group of business people say is a $6 trillion global green energy, cleantech sector that New Zealand could get a slice of. It is what PricewaterhouseCoopers says is a $22 billion economic opportunity for New Zealand. That is where we should be looking\u2014not towards the past, not towards oil drilling and drilling more holes, and more fracking, mining, and drilling for New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EIn summary, we have got a great number of choices facing our country, a huge number of strategic economic challenges, which are not being addressed by the Government with a single-minded, media-friendly focus on just the deficit. What we need to do is look to the future, not to the past. It is to look at where we can develop our economy. It is to look to things like the technology sector. It is to look at growing green exports and clean energy. It is about the \u201C100% pure New Zealand\u201D brand. Aotearoa\u2019s future is not looking to the past; it is looking to the future. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u0022724b3759e32b4ec2aa502b9aa140ca7e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022724b3759e32b4ec2aa502b9aa140ca7e\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the debate be now adjourned. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228ffb689109f44624b968cedb16a65d6a\u0022\u003EPrisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00224952c495cc7c424eb7d02e7586ea8c59\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u002223843002142247c38e1e2c9cf538d542\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002223843002142247c38e1e2c9cf538d542\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill be now read a third time. The Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill ensures that the regime under the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims Act 2005 continues beyond 30 June 2013, when it would otherwise expire. This means that compensation payable to prisoners for breaches of their human rights will continue to be subject to the existing guidelines and restrictions in the Act. This ensures that prisoners will not receive compensation for wrongful treatment without first having to redress the harm that they have caused their victims. Under the regime made permanent by the bill, if compensation is awarded or paid pursuant to a settlement agreement, certain deductions can be made from it. These include deductions for any legal aid debt related to a prisoner\u2019s claim and any outstanding reparation owed to victims. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EThe regime also provides a simplified process for victims to make claims against the money through the victims\u2019 special claims tribunal. This can include claims for emotional harm or property damage or loss caused by the offender. The bill also makes a small change to the civil limitation period for victims\u2019 claims for their benefit, and clarifies that the Act applies to unlawful detention claims. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EThe bill is another step the Government has taken in championing victims\u2019 rights. The Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill prevents the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims Act 2005 from effectively expiring. This means that there will continue to be a fair and appropriate regime that balances the rights of prisoners and their victims. I would like to take the opportunity to thank those members of the House who have been supporting this bill, particularly those who have supported it all the way through to help it get through in time for 30 June. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u0022e1fb0da8dd6d4d24a403d970f26cc930\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e1fb0da8dd6d4d24a403d970f26cc930\u0022\u003EANDREW LITTLE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E If there is one thing that the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill is not, it is a victims\u2019 rights piece of legislation. It is not about enhancing victims\u2019 rights at all. It is very much a lottery-driven piece of legislation when it comes to victims\u2019 rights. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe genesis of the original legislation was what is known as the Taunoa case, which made awards of damages to prisoners whose New Zealand Bill of Rights Act rights had been traduced through the behaviour management regime then in place in prisons in New Zealand. It resulted in awards of compensation. So, effectively, the State was required to compensate the prisoners. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe difficulty was, as seen at the time, that a new injustice was created. The prisoners whose rights had been breached and who won compensation as a consequence had themselves\u2014it is self-evident\u2014breached the rights of their victims, who had no claim against them. Under the common law rights that those victims had, they had lost the right to make a claim, even putting aside the accident compensation rights they had. They could not make a claim for exemplary damages for the conduct of the prisoners. So the prisoners enjoyed a windfall, and the victims continued to suffer the consequences of the crimes committed against them. The Government of the day, the Labour Government, introduced the legislation to ensure that any awards of damages went to compensate both the State and the victims before the prisoners themselves received any amount of compensation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThat situation was not, and will not be under the legislation we are now considering, without conflicting values and principles. It is not right that prisoners should be subject to mistreatment while in prison. We sentence people to prison to deprive them of their liberty as a sanction against their antisocial conduct. We do not send them to prison to be further mistreated, abused, and treated in improper ways. That is not acceptable, and so it is correct that the State, which is the custodian of these people while they are incarcerated, should itself face a sanction. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EEqually, it is wrong that access to compensation by victims should be dependent on what might be described as the entirely fortuitous circumstance that the perpetrator of the crime against them is him or herself subject to a violation that leads to a compensable right, which leads to compensation that can then be claimed by the victim. That does not deal with victims\u2019 rights at all. So there are limitations. Although we can understand that there is an injustice that ought to be, and continue to be, addressed, it is not a satisfactory conclusion or a resolution to the overarching issue of victims\u2019 rights and the ability to be fully compensated for the loss that victims of crime suffer. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe original bill dealt with the obvious injustice, but it had a sunset clause. The reason it had that sunset clause was that it was expected that there would be a review of just that situation and of just those principles that I have articulated, on the basis that there might be a more coherent and comprehensive approach taken to victims\u2019 rights, including the ability to be compensated for loss other than that compensated for by accident compensation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ESimply rolling over the existing legislation with no change leaves the same contradictions in place and leaves a still unsatisfactory situation in place. It still means that only those victims who have perpetrators who themselves are subject to a compensable act get access to any compensation\u2014it is only by chance, or by lottery, and that is not satisfactory. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EWhat we still continue to need is a coherent and comprehensive approach to victims\u2019 rights. The best that the Minister of Justice can do, and she made the announcement today, is to continue and reheat existing policies. This afternoon she made an announcement that the extra money that is collected through the offender levy, the $50 that is levied on convicted offenders, will be passed on for the benefit of various victims programmes. Well, that is the intention of the levy, and so the announcement that the Minister has made today, in her attempt to dress it up as some sort of enhancement of victims\u2019 rights, is nothing of the sort.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002245506cc0a953400e9ba8eae8fccdec01\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: And it\u2019ll probably reduce the fines.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022238b59ce662440eeac9336580723cae9\u0022\u003EANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: If anything, we will see a reduction in fines because of other measures being taken in the justice area, such as the reduction in funding for Crown solicitors, fewer prosecutions, fewer charges taken, and therefore less collected through fines and therefore less levied on offenders. It is contradictory. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EWhat we saw this afternoon in the announcement was the same old mutton dressed up as lamb, and that in combination with this legislation means we still have an unsatisfactory situation when it comes to victims\u2019 rights. The announcement this afternoon was for $750,000 to go to victims as the additional amount that is already being collected through the offender levy. It will affect 4,000 victims, but there are thousands upon thousands of victims each year, many of whom go uncompensated as a result. So this issue still needs to be addressed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI should put on the record yet again, in this third reading, that one of the objections we have to the bill, notwithstanding that we will vote for it, is that the Minister promised that all Opposition parties would be consulted on a more comprehensive approach to the issues that this bill covers. That never happened. That was a promise broken. How unfortunate. As we had promises of consultation over MMP, so we had promises of consultation over this. In both cases, the promises were broken. The Minister\u2019s word stands for nothing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThis legislation has its origins in the previous Labour Government, and it dealt with an obvious situation, an obvious injustice. If this bill were not in place, the small sliver of injustice that would remain would still be there, and we want to cover off at least that level of injustice, and so we will continue to support the bill for that reason. But it is not satisfactory that several years after the original bill was put in place, there does not appear to have been any comprehensive work done by the Minister or successive Ministers of Justice under this Government, or the ministry they have presided over, on developing options for a better approach, a more comprehensive approach, to victims\u2019 rights. That is important. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EWe should deal with victims\u2019 rights aside from, apart from, and separately from the way we deal with our penal regime and our system of punishment for offenders. Let us call offenders, those who are antisocial, and those who do bad towards others in our community properly to account through our criminal justice system. Let us have a criminal justice system that provides appropriate levels of punishment but also aims to rehabilitate and restore people to good character and a constructive role in society. But let us also recognise that there are victims of crime, and their issues need to be dealt with, too, through effective voice, through effective support, and, where required, through effective compensation. None of the measures put in place, including those in this bill, gets us anywhere closer to a better system, a better regime, of looking after victims of crime, whether serious or non-serious crime. That is a situation that must change. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe fact that the present Minister has taken no effort to talk to other parties about a new approach, about different approaches, and about a new way forward tells us very clearly that this Minister and this Government are not serious about new measures to deal with victims. It is about dressing up and reheating old, half-baked ideas, and taking the issue no further. We need better progress and we need a better approach. In the words of the New Zealand Law Society when it submitted on other legislation, when it comes to criminal justice, it is better to have a cross-party approach to it. Those discussions will begin one day, and we look forward to that, but they will begin under a different Government, a new Government, a Labour-led Government that wants to take victims\u2019 rights seriously\u2014one thing that simply reheating the present legislation does not do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022 data-id=\u00227eac5439ab924ea7884b3e4f3af3487f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227eac5439ab924ea7884b3e4f3af3487f\u0022\u003ESCOTT SIMPSON (National\u2014Coromandel):\u003C/span\u003E It is a pleasure to rise as chairman of the Justice and Electoral Committee to speak in support of this Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill in its third reading. This bill has been brought to the House by the Minister of Justice, the Hon Judith Collins. It is a good bill and it is worthy of our support. It has gone through the process of the House in full detail and in a way that I think has done both the Justice and Electoral Committee and this House proud. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EAs a Government, we make absolutely no apology for putting victims first. I find it quite deeply upsetting to hear Andrew Little talking about protecting the rights of the criminals. These are people who have committed wrongs and who are incarcerated for good cause and for good reason. It strikes me that it is a matter of basic common sense and principle that if an award of compensation is made to them during their term of incarceration, the first party to benefit from that should be, in fact, the victims of the crimes that were committed and that have resulted in their incarceration. So this is a good bill. It is part of this Government\u2019s plan to build a better justice system, and we have embarked on a comprehensive programme for reform not only to enhance our justice system but also to protect communities, to prevent crime, and, as I said earlier, to put victims first. We are making no apologies for focusing our justice system on the rights of victims. We are staying tough on crime. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EThis Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill responded to concerns arising from the 2005 legislation that offenders should not receive compensation for wrongful treatment without first paying the debt they owe because of the harm caused to their victims. This new bill will ensure that the system is fair, that it is balanced, and that it will not lead to any unintended injustices. Our reforms mean that the victims of crime in the criminal justice system are, obviously, there because of no fault of their own. They are not there because they have done anything; they are there because they are the victims. And they have to deal with the financial, the emotional, and the physical effects of the crime that has been perpetrated upon them and committed against them. This bill seeks to do that and to do it very well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EWe have ensured that crime is coming down, and the numbers are undeniable. Part of the reason that crime is coming down is the focus that this Government has been putting on the efforts to reduce crime and to make New Zealanders feel safe in their homes, in their communities, and in their families. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EOne aspect of this bill that is of interest is that we received, I think, seven submissions. Those submissions recommended that this bill proceed with speed and with haste because they supported the legislation that came before the select committee. The expiry date of the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims Act 2005 was looming, and we needed to move quickly to achieve the result that we wanted. That is the reason that this bill is before the House today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EIt is a very good bill. I commend it to the House. The select committee worked well throughout the various stages of the bill, and I want to thank the members of the select committee, who participated very fully in their deliberations on the bill. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022 data-id=\u0022affd0fef35884fd2a3c1a25b7d89aefa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022affd0fef35884fd2a3c1a25b7d89aefa\u0022\u003EHon LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour\u2014Christchurch East):\u003C/span\u003E I want to remind this House why the legislation that we are debating today, the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill, has not actually lived up to the expectation that was had for it and for this present Government when the legislation was originally debated and passed through this House in 2005, as my colleague Andrew Little has described. He quite rightly highlighted the fact that \u201CSuccessive Governments\u201D\u2014both Labour and National\u2014\u201Chave made the political decision that paying out significant compensation to prisoners for their treatment while in prison is unacceptable to a significant proportion of the public, and could affect confidence in the justice system.\u201D That was the basis for the legislative change that Labour brought into effect in 2005. We introduced the original legislation to \u201Cfurther reduce the likelihood that prisoners would be awarded compensation for rights breaches during their incarceration.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EBut the sunset clauses were put in there for very good reason. They were included to limit the application to claims arising from the behaviour management regime, which have been described, and which nobody in this House would describe as being on the side of criminals. Actually, it is being on the side of the proper treatment of incarcerated prisoners, and as has been quite rightly pointed out, that is not something that anyone\u2014any member of this House\u2014could possibly stand up and say that they would find unacceptable. I want to talk about the Optional Protocol to the Convention against Torture and also the Crimes of Torture Act, which we have passed in this Parliament as well, and our commitment to that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003ESunset clauses were included really to look at that behaviour management regime situation, to make sure that any applications that were being dealt with under that could actually be dealt with, and to also allow time for an independent prison complaints body to be established. The view of the Ministry of Justice at the time was that the legislation and its sunset clauses together\u2014and it was together\u2014\u201Crepresented the best compromise between ensuring compensation is only paid to prisoners once they have redressed the harm caused to victims\u201D\u2014in terms of the financial obligations that arose out of that\u2014\u201Cand upholding New Zealand\u2019s domestic and international human rights obligations.\u201D That actually remained the ministry\u2019s view. I should say to the House that the document that I am quoting from is the regulatory impact statement that led to the introduction of the legislation that reaches its conclusion in the very near future, on 1 July.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003E So the sunset clauses in the 2005 legislation were originally due to come into effect on 1 July 2007. However, the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims Amendment Act 2007 extended the sunset clauses to 1 July 2010, and the reason for that was, again, twofold. It was because work on the independent prison complaints body was still ongoing, and the behaviour management regime claims were not completed. But neither of those things was an indication to an incoming Government, an incoming National Government, that this would result in the kinds of changes that it has now introduced, nor that it would be made permanent. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EIn 2005 the Ministry of Justice began its work on an inter-agency working party to examine existing prison complaints and monitoring processes within the Department of Corrections and to scope the role of an independent prison complaints body. Under that enhanced role that came down to the Office of the Ombudsmen, it was given responsibility for monitoring investigations into deaths in custody and serious incidents that could potentially affect the safe, fair, and humane treatment of offenders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EWhat I should point out to the House is that we did actually receive a submission from the Office of the Ombudsmen. Of course, with the office\u2019s important role in terms of being formally designated as the national preventive mechanism for prisons and compliance with the Optional Protocol to the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, its statement to our Justice and Electoral Committee, I believe, was very, very important. What it stated was: \u201CWe are concerned that the victims\u2019 claims scheme, which the Bill makes permanent, provides neither a suitable way to compensate victims of crime nor a suitable way to prevent abuse or mistreatment of prisoners in accordance with New Zealand\u2019s international obligations.\u201D I believe that that is an incredibly serious statement, because the Government is claiming not only that this bill somehow will enhance the rights of victims but that it is in accordance with our international obligations. The Office of the Ombudsmen, which has this very important role in terms of oversight of our prison service, says the exact opposite. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EI want to remind this House again, as I did in the second reading, of a document that was drawn to our attention by the Sensible Sentencing Trust. I believe that the trust has raised an exceptionally sensible point that every member of this House should be aware of and that is that it discovered that there was a report: Victims of Crime in the Adult Criminal Justice System: A Stocktake of the Literature. Where did it find this stocktake of the literature and what did it find? Well, the trust found it on the Ministry of Justice website, because the Ministry of Justice has been doing this work on the victims of crime. And what did the trust find to be the guiding principles for providing effective service and support to the victims of crime? They were: \u201CRespectful and confidential treatment: available research shows that while outcomes are important to victims (eg, reparation, convictions) consistent with the concept of procedural justice, the manner in which victims are treated is more important.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EThat is what the literature said. \u201CIndividualised response/ flexible services: there is strong evidence that people are affected differently by crime. Services allocated purely by crime type or victim type are likely to miss other victims with significant needs. Assessment must ensure individual needs are identified, and services need to be sufficiently flexible to provide individualised response. A range of service options should be offered so that individual preferences can be catered for.\u201D It goes on about services being accessible; the provision of right information at the right time in the right format; delivered by experienced, knowledgable, well-trained, empathetic staff; consistent high-quality services and support; integrated service provision; end-to-end individualised support; and accountable services. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EThe Sensible Sentencing Trust said this is what victims are asking for. That is what they want, and, unfortunately, this bill does not resolve these problems, because what it says is that money will be allocated to victim support but only if the human rights of the person who has perpetrated the offence are somehow offended against in a way that earns them compensation while they are in prison for a crime\u2014you know, the crime, in fact, may or may not be one that affected the individual concerned. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EThere are many people, for example, in our prisons who are in there because they have been caught with possession of a drug, they have been caught several times drink-driving, they have problems that they need to have addressed, but they are serving time in prison. In many respects they are the victimless crimes where nobody else has actually been harmed in the process of them committing what is an offence. But they too are caught by this, and if their human rights are challenged by the service that is supposedly providing them with humane prison treatment, then somehow that means that that money is available, and that is the only way that it is directly available apart from the offenders levy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c186d0a2-99f4-408b-9b4d-d484cf19724d\u0022\u003EIt seems to me that this is getting the wrong point. If we are going to hold people accountable for meeting those financial obligations, then surely it means that we should be looking at more productive ways and more, I believe, important ways of holding people to account for their actions. If we are to ensure that people take responsibility for their actions, then surely it is not only if they have been in this situation but if they have a windfall like a Lotto win or something like that\u2014all of these things were supposed to be looked at when we actually allowed for the sunset provision to take place. So I think the Government has really done a great disservice both to the victims of crime and to our international standing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022 data-id=\u00224db066f895dc4112b7e70e23c7a1f829\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224db066f895dc4112b7e70e23c7a1f829\u0022\u003EDAVID CLENDON (Green):\u003C/span\u003E It is never a happy sight to see this Parliament passing bad law, and that is what we are seeing tonight. With the passing of this Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill we are embedding, as a permanent provision in our legislation, a mechanism that was marginal at best as a stopgap, short-term measure, which is all it was ever intended to be. It intended to respond to the particular moment in time: an unfortunate series of incidents at Mt Eden prison and the ongoing public concerns about that. It was intended to be legislation with a sunset clause. It should have been allowed to simply fade away while we did something much more sensible and much more long term. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EThis legislation and its various iterations\u2014I think this is the third cycle of legislation it has gone through: an extension, a continuation bill, and now this legislation to make it permanent\u2014have chewed up an inordinate amount of parliamentary time and resource. In the meantime, we are told, the Minister of Justice and her officials are too busy to even consider or contemplate a very good proposition that came from Judge Boshier some 7 or 8 months ago proposing that we create an offence of family violence. That would have been a means by which we might actually have addressed the issue of protecting victims, of reducing the number of victims. That would have been a useful and appropriate means of using the resources and time of this House and the people in it. Unfortunately, instead we are spending time perpetuating bad law such as this prisoners and victims legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EDoes the Government continue to be genuinely concerned about a public backlash if inmates seem to reap some financial benefit, some restitution for having their rights denied them or for suffering abuse while in the custody of the State? If there is a problem, if the Government is genuinely concerned about that, the solution is actually self-evident. The solution is to create a safe, humane, decent environment in our prisons to ensure that inmates do not suffer abuse or denial of rights. The problem simply goes away. There would not be an issue if we created an environment in the prisons where prisoners\u2019 rights are secured, and where they are safe environments for both inmates and, indeed, staff who work in them on our behalf. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EThe events at Spring Hill Corrections Facility last weekend, and the series of events over recent months, which are becoming more frequent and more serious, demonstrate we do not have that safe environment in our prisons, and that demonstrates we have a great deal of work to do\u2014genuine work finding real solutions to real problems rather than fiddling about the margins with this piece of legislation that actually has not even worked. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EWhat we have done here, effectively, is to create a lose-lose situation. This legislation being embedded in legislation takes away the rights of prisoners to fair restitution if their rights are abused or compromised. It diminishes our right to claim we are a country that respects human rights and basic decency, and, as the previous speaker, Lianne Dalziel, pointed out, it does contravene international law. And what do we get in exchange for this? A piece of legislation that over 8 years has delivered virtually nothing to victims. A figure of something like $45,000 has been returned to victims under the provisions of this legislation. That is less than $6,000 a year\u2014basically pennies, rats and mice, peanuts. We would have been better to not devote any time to it, close the House early one night, save a lot of money, and give that to victims. That is an equally nonsensical suggestion as the one that we continue to embed with this piece of legislation, which is a lose-lose piece of legislation. It has not worked for 8 years. Why will it work for another 8 years or 8 years beyond that? It simply makes no sense. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EIt has been claimed that the Greens\u2019 opposition to this bill reflects some sort of lack of concern for the well-being of victims. Indeed, at an earlier reading, one of the Government\u2019s spokespeople saw fit to suggest that I had made a speech on this bill without once mentioning the word \u201Cvictim\u201D. In fact, I suggest to that member a course of active listening, because I continually referred to \u201Cvictims\u201D in my 10-minute speech, and that particular member managed about 90 seconds of commentary on this very important piece of legislation. We do have significant concerns for the well-being and rights of victims and would seek to put in place a comprehensive review. When the Greens supported this legislation in 2005\u2014somewhat reluctantly, but we did support it\u2014it was on the understanding that there would be a comprehensive review of the rights of victims, ideally a cross-party approach, as Mr Little has indicated. I was somewhat surprised to hear the chair of the Justice and Electoral Committee, a competent and typically quite amiable chair, talking about this Government\u2019s comprehensive reform of the justice sector. I think the Government is being remarkably modest. If it is undertaking a comprehensive reform of the justice sector, why is it not telling anybody about it? There is no evidence of any such comprehensive reform. We are seeing short-term, reactive, stopgap measures. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002265e0a55de7f04bf093102eeae4b87a69\u0022\u003EDAVID CLENDON\u003C/span\u003E: I am pleased to take the opportunity to make some further comments about this unfortunate piece of legislation that has been inflicted on the House. It would perhaps be a defensible piece of legislation to continue to embed as a permanent feature, rather than a temporary one\u2014which is how it was designed and enacted\u2014if we had any evidence that in the ensuing 8 years it had done any good. As I mentioned earlier, it clearly has not done a great deal of good. A total sum of $45,000 has been dispersed to victims as a result of this piece of legislation. Despite the significant cost to the country of enacting it, both the process cost and the cost of the various stopgap pieces of legislation\u2014the continuance and now this one\u2014it is all for a grand sum of $45,000 to victims. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EAs I said earlier, our original support\u2014our somewhat tentative support, but support none the less\u2014for the 2005 legislation was predicated on the expectation that a comprehensive review of victims\u2019 rights would be undertaken. We have an issue in New Zealand with having a very disjointed and not very strategic or well-considered approach to making restitution to victims. We have some good programmes in place. We have some good restorative justice processes, albeit not as many as we could use\u2014those very positive means of getting good, fair outcomes that are transparent, that serve the needs of victims, and that make offenders think and, hopefully, deter them from reoffending. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EUnfortunately, we have never seen the review, the significant review\u2014a sort of clean slate approach to how we can make good, and how we can ensure that the victims of crime get restitution as appropriate and that they get the appropriate treatment and counselling. There are means, not to undo an offence that has been done to a person, but certainly to help them recover from it. We are not even at page 1 of thinking through what that might look like. That is a piece of work that, I suspect, will require, as Mr Little indicated earlier, an approach from a new Government, a Government with a more progressive set of ideas, and a Government not frightened to take a step back and undertake the difficult piece of work of a comprehensive review, rather than these add-on, stopgap, short-term measures, which really do us no good and, indeed, are now doing us harm. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u00227638c52ed87f4581a95d28ee330d2b0d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227638c52ed87f4581a95d28ee330d2b0d\u0022\u003EALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E I rise and take a call in the third reading of the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill. The previous speaker, David Clendon, talked about a Government that was more comprehensive. I cannot think of a Government that is more comprehensive than a Government that is reducing offending by 25 percent by 2017. Results so far from corrections show there is an 8.9 percent reduction in offending. Overall crime rates have reduced by 50 percent. Violent crime is down by 20 percent and youth crime by 5 percent. Results so far show that the total crime rate is down by 9 percent, with violent crime down by 7 percent. So I am not sure what the previous member means when he talks about comprehensive and progressive Government that is proving its results. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThis is about a bill whose purpose is to make the restrictions on awards of compensation and the victims\u2019 claims process in the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims Act 2005 permanent. We are balancing the rights and responsibilities of both the victims and the offenders. We know that incarceration on its own is not enough to reduce recidivist offending. However, there are some issues that are important here. The Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims Act 2005 did respond to concerns that offenders should not receive compensation for wrongful treatment. We talk about a court of law, but there is also the public court of opinion. It was quite clear\u2014the Hon Lianne Dalziel actually spelt it out\u2014that the original legislation in 2005, which was supported by the Green Party, was to give confidence to the public that we were responding to and balancing the needs of victims, and that is what this Government is doing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESeven submissions were submitted on the bill but were not proceeded on. I finally wanted to say this: the bill confirms the Government\u2019s commitment to supporting victims by providing that for any compensation awarded in respect of prisoners in claims for compensation, the claim limitation period is to be suspended when the compensation is paid to the Secretary for Justice. This, in regards to the other reforms that we are introducing as a Government, is a good bill. It is not a bad bill. It is a bill that introduces and addresses some issues. The principal Act had a sunset clause that has now come to its end. We are now making this permanent to give confidence to our communities of need. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022 data-id=\u002209ae6dd9de674d67bbfa6b274a88e3a7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002209ae6dd9de674d67bbfa6b274a88e3a7\u0022\u003EDENIS O\u2019ROURKE (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I note that the Greens feel that the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill goes somewhat too far from their concern for prisoners\u2019 rights, which is, of course, quite a proper concern. Labour, on the other hand, seems to say that the bill does not go far enough, and its concern is that there should be more attention given to victims\u2019 rights, and that is a fair enough position as well. New Zealand First actually wants to achieve both of those things with an appropriate balance. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EI think this bill makes a contribution to that. I do not think it is really going to make much difference to anything in the end, but it is certainly worth considering. The Justice and Electoral Committee has, indeed, done just that. I am pleased to see that it made a number of recommendations and they have been incorporated into the bill. New Zealand First will therefore support the bill, as it is better than nothing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EThe principles we considered were these: first of all, we say that being a prisoner means being penalised only by the temporary removal of personal liberty and by incarceration, and it does not mean anything more than that. Prisoners should have the opportunity for rehabilitation, education, and reorientation in their direction of life. Secondly, it does not result in the loss of other rights for them, and it does not mean the loss of the right to compensation for genuine injury or disability from genuine accidents, and it does not mean the loss of the right to compensation for significant mistreatment, if that should occur. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EOn the other hand, the rights protected in this way must be balanced against the fact that there is concern in the community that prisoners abuse some of those rights, especially the right to compensation for mistreatment, and especially accident compensation on some occasions. So there are genuinely held concerns in the community about that and we must give some attention to them, even if cases of abuse of rights are rare. We should certainly not mollycoddle prisoners, and we should make sure there are no rorts like some of those we have seen in recent years. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EWe in New Zealand First also accept that there is a need for an accessible process for the victims of a prisoner to be provided for in claims against any award made to a prisoner. Victims\u2019 rights, we think, have been seen as almost second-class rights for far too long. This bill, at least, properly pays attention to that. It creates a clear right and an easily usable process for a victim to claim against an award made to a prisoner. New Zealand First therefore believes that the bill does achieve an appropriate balance to protect the rights of prisoners on the one hand, while on the other also meeting community expectations that prisoners\u2019 compensation be acceptable by their victims to meet the properly awarded claims made to those victims. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EThe Government originally wanted a diversion fund to hold those proceeds, and that, of course, was quite impracticable and has been abandoned, and we are glad to see that. Some submitters also said that the courts had pre-empted this bill in the Taunoa case and that the bill is therefore not needed. They thought that codification would not be positive and that the law should be allowed to develop further, as it tends to do. However, codification does provide certainty and consistency in the law, and I think that Parliament does need to set out what the scope for claims by prisoners will be. It does not mean that the courts may not develop the law within the scope of the Act further anyway. I agree with the Kim Workman submission that codification helps both prisoners and victims understand their rights. I note that section 13 of the principal Act sets out the essence of those issues.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E It says in section 13: \u201CNo court or tribunal may, in proceedings to which this subpart applies, award any compensation sought by a specified claim unless satisfied that\u2014(a) the plaintiff has made reasonable use of all of the specified internal and external complaints mechanisms reasonably available to him or her to complain about the act or omission on which the claim is based, but has not obtained in relation to that act or omission redress that the court or Tribunal considers effective; and (b) another remedy, or a combination of other remedies, cannot provide, in relation to the act or omission on which the claim is based, redress that the court or Tribunal considers effective.\u201D, and that seems to me to be a very appropriate provision. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EIn section 14(2) there is a whole list of guiding considerations for awarding compensation that a court or tribunal must take into account. That includes such things as \u201Cthe extent \u2026 to which the plaintiff, the defendant, or both took, [concerning] reasonably practicable steps to mitigate loss or damage arising from the act or omission on which the claim is based;\u201D, and another one is \u201Cwhether the defendant\u2019s breach of, or interference with, the right concerned was deliberate or in bad faith; and \u2026 the relevant conduct of the plaintiff; \u2026 consequences for the plaintiff of the breach \u2026\u201D, and so on\u2014a whole list of those things, which I think are very relevant to the issue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003ETaking all of that into account, New Zealand First considers that the bill now does achieve the correct balance\u2014that prisoners\u2019 rights will be preserved, but will be appropriately restricted in the ways that I have mentioned in the claims that are brought. More important, the victims of crime will have a clear right and process to make claims against any award that the committer of the crime against them has received, and that is as it should be. The victim should have the first claim against the money that a prisoner has received in such a claim. The prisoner who committed a crime can only expect that he or she must first compensate the victim before benefiting themselves. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EI understand that the Labour Party, which also supports the bill, wants to see a much wider right for victims to claim the assets of the convicted person. That, of course, is beyond the scope of this bill, but New Zealand First would support such an investigation and the development of legislation as suggested by Labour. I would doubt, however, that any additional legislation would prove to be necessary or would really make all that much difference, because victims of convicted persons already have civil rights to make claims against those persons and, arising from that, they also have the right to enforce those claims. Perhaps those rights are not clear enough or easy enough to access, and again that might be something that could be addressed in the future. But New Zealand First would need to be convinced that there needs to be anything more at all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003ESimilarly, New Zealand First would like to see better legislation to ensure much better treatment of victims, which, again, is outside the scope of this bill. It is something that other parties have referred to and which we heard quite a lot about during the submission process for this bill. So I think that is something that all parties need to give good consideration to. In the meantime, New Zealand First will be happy to support this bill, which, as I have said, does make a worthwhile improvement to victims\u2019 rights without compromising prisoners\u2019 rights, either.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022 data-id=\u0022360b90fb6cc34a07a2101fc919cae492\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022360b90fb6cc34a07a2101fc919cae492\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before I call the next member, the member has something on his box, which is at an oblique angle to me, and if it is a slogan\u2014I am talking to the member who has just resumed his seat\u2014it is out of order. If it is a slogan, could the member just put the box away, please. Had I noticed it, he would not have got the call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022 data-id=\u00226dc44ef3bbe34c44b04d7e2236b925cc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226dc44ef3bbe34c44b04d7e2236b925cc\u0022\u003EHon KATE WILKINSON (National\u2014Waimakariri):\u003C/span\u003E I intend to take just a very short call in support of this bill, the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill. Many of the views have already been traversed in this House through the various stages of the bill. I think it is pertinent that there were only seven submissions in relation to the bill. It is not a particularly controversial bill, unless you are a Green member. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003EThe scheme represents a balance, as Denis O\u2019Rourke, the previous speaker, has said. We believe that it represents that correct balance between the rights of the offenders and the rights of victims. It does respond to that concern raised in respect of the initial Act that offenders should not receive compensation for wrongful treatment without actually repaying the debt that they owe for the harm that they caused their victims. This bill is fair, it is balanced, and it ensures the system will not lead to any unintended injustices. It does put victims at the heart of our justice system. It puts that stronger emphasis on victims. This bill really helps to reinforce that we want to ensure that victims are heard, that they do get the support that they need, and that they are not brutalised again and again and again when the defendants are tried. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003EThis is part of a suite of justice improvements. We are also, of course, modernising court processes to make the justice system safer and more efficient, speeding up court cases, and improving civil justice. This is a sensible component of that suite, and I certainly support it in its third reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022 data-id=\u0022a29cdad7b65045ca80929670e7503883\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a29cdad7b65045ca80929670e7503883\u0022\u003EHon PHIL GOFF (Labour\u2014Mt Roskill):\u003C/span\u003E I regret to say that the last speaker, Kate Wilkinson, was wrong about this bill, the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill, doing a whole lot more for victims. This bill had the opportunity to do a whole lot more for victims, but it is an opportunity lost.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238d97c1f998f4a9a92de2861103c4451\u0022\u003EHon Kate Wilkinson\u003C/span\u003E: Why didn\u2019t you do it, then?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220975605a15a64b218f9533fd8681677e\u0022\u003EHon PHIL GOFF\u003C/span\u003E: Why did we not do it? I will tell the member why we did not do it. All of the major victim legislation was brought in by a Labour Government. I brought in this particular piece of legislation, the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims Act, but I brought it in to deal with a narrow range of offenders who happened to get caught up in the behaviour management regime in prison\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221b118ed081994431a89f1d2e9ea1cbb9\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Also under Labour.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6bc65550bf3437a8bdd2c54d65f2d98\u0022\u003EHon PHIL GOFF\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and were treated unlawfully according to our own law. The behaviour management regime was a National Government invention, unfortunately. It took us a couple of years to catch up with the fact that it was doing badly. The New Zealand Government was acting unlawfully, which brought the inmates in line for compensation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EI happen to know that the people who were in the behaviour management regime were not particularly nice people. I looked at the range of offences they had committed, and they were horrendous offences. Damaged, scarred individuals, injured people, hurt people\u2014offenders who never showed remorse, and never did anything to put things right. So when I looked at the Taunoa case, which was going to be expanded under a class action effort by a lawyer who I thought was more interested in gold-digging than in seeing justice done, I said that this was not good enough.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed66d683669e4f3f8cc3d77a9a6b08f8\u0022\u003EHon Christopher Finlayson\u003C/span\u003E: Mai Chen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a15ddfec2ea4465ab3c6cd70a977e5cd\u0022\u003EHon PHIL GOFF\u003C/span\u003E: What this legislation\u2014no, it was not. But she will be glad to know, Mr Finlayson, that you have accused her of that, and when she reads the Hansard, she will now read your comments, so it is good to have got you on the record. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EWhat the bill that I introduced did, first of all, was say that compensation should be paid only when there is no better way of righting the wrong than monetary compensation. It required a whole range of things that should be looked at to put things right for the inmates. Then it said that if it is good enough for the inmate to be compensated for wrongful action against him, why is it not good enough for that money that the inmate gets to then be available to the victim\u2014to the person whom that inmate wronged\u2014so we could see some restorative justice done? And I stand by that. That was the sensible thing to do at the time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EWhat I say about this legislation now, however, is that it deals with a very narrow group of inmates, and this is where I want to come back to Kate Wilkinson\u2019s comments. It deals with only a very narrow range of inmates\u2014a handful of people, probably. It has given probably $40,000 to $50,000 back to victims, but that is peanuts in the wider scheme of things. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EI thought to myself at the time that I wanted to see how this legislation worked, so I put a sunset clause in so that after a period of, I think, 4 years or 5 years this legislation would come to an end and the Government, if it wanted to keep it, would have to renew it or would have to look at reforming it. The idea of the review was that the Government would take seriously the prospect of people who are in prisons who have wronged their victims being required to give more back to the victims by way of reparations, and not simply the narrow group of offenders who were wronged through the behaviour modification regime. Why should a person in that situation pay money back to the victims but not an inmate who won Lotto? Suddenly they have got a lot of money, they are rich, and the person whom they have harmed is still suffering from their actions. What about the crooks who write about their criminal experiences? They write books in prison and make money out of it. What about the person who inherits a whole lot of money? They did not have money at the time that they were convicted. They did not give a cent back to their victims. Nothing was done. What about people who come into money who are suddenly able, if they choose\u2014and too often they do not choose\u2014to put things right for their victim? What I thought this legislation might have done is have a proper review and have a look at the options. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EThere is one group of offenders that particularly made me angry. We are seeing more of them at the moment than we have ever seen before, and these are the white-collar offenders. They do not simply go and burgle somebody\u2019s place\u2014that is bad enough\u2014they rip off money in hundreds of millions of dollars. They have resources. They have skills. They have assets. They never give back to the victims, because they have enough skill to know that they can protect their assets in trusts. These crooks whom we lock up for 2 or 3 years because they have ripped off people\u2014they have taken their life-savings\u2014come out of prison, go back to driving the flash car, go back to living in the big house, and go back to the international holidays, and all the while the people whom they ripped off, who have lost their life-savings, end their lives in penury. I say that is wrong, and there must a better way of dealing with that. This review would have had the chance to have a look at it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EWhen the legislation ran out of time with the sunset clause, the Minister Judith Collins promised the Opposition that she would involve the Opposition in discussions on a review of that legislation to see whether we could put something better in place for victims. She dishonoured that promise. She broke her word, and she came back into the House with the same legislation, having wasted 2 years without any review at all. I think it is time that a National member got to his or her feet and explained why the Government did not take up the opportunity to do the review, and why it did not honour the promise that it made to the Opposition that such a review would take place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EThere is a myriad of ideas that you can explore when you are in Government. I believe very firmly in restorative justice. The best thing that can happen when a person commits a criminal offence against another person is for that person to put things right for the victim, in so far as that is possible. The concept of restorative justice is the purest form of justice. So why did this Government not look at some of the restorative justice schemes that were operating overseas? I introduced schemes on restorative justice. I am proud of them. They could have been expanded. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EWhy did the Government not look at how you get behind the trusts that protect the wealthy white-collar offenders, and why did it never require them to pay money to the people whom they have wronged? That was an opportunity. Why did the Government not take it up? Why did the Government not look at the concept where when a person goes to prison they have got no income, they have got no ability to repay to the victim, but when they come out and they resume work again it is a clean slate? Why do they at that point owe nothing to the victim whom they have wronged? That is a concept, Chris Finlayson, that the Government could have examined, could have looked at\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e455e73ccab84d5e94e15b549d80ee67\u0022\u003EHon Christopher Finlayson\u003C/span\u003E: Useless Minister of Justice. You had 6 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c28c7871f154393b2c9060894598b39\u0022\u003EHon PHIL GOFF\u003C/span\u003E: We had the best legislation that this House has ever seen in justice when I was Minister of Justice, Mr Finlayson, and you know that. That is the truth. You had real legislation. If the Government has time to pass rubbish justice bills that are about rhetoric and not about doing anything that makes a real difference, it should have used its time on this bill to come up with some innovative ideas about how to look after victims and how to put in place a system of restorative justice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f6366ededc534050bf1b1e7f0384a808\u0022\u003EHon Christopher Finlayson\u003C/span\u003E: Try to give something other than a vain\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288cc8b3a5dd2466b98c4725bfa2f1c21\u0022\u003EHon PHIL GOFF\u003C/span\u003E: This Attorney-General, who is meant to protect the rights of New Zealanders, brings a bill into the House that takes away court-given rights for families looking after seriously disabled adults\u2014steals their rights\u2014and breaches the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, which he is sworn to protect, and he comes in and tries to tell this side of the House what justice is about. That is the greatest injustice, Mr Finlayson, that I have seen from any Government\u2014robbing permanently disabled, adult disabled people, and you, Mr Finlayson, are responsible for that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c699e7c6-53b9-470c-a14a-378cb6fc8a04\u0022\u003EWhat I want to say is that this legislation gets support from the Opposition only because it was better than nothing\u2014only because it was better than nothing. It will still help in some cases where offenders come into money because they have been wronged by the actions of the State, and that gives the victim claim on that money. But I want to repeat what I said in 2005, because they still believe it: \u201CMost people believe that it is wrong that offenders should be compensated for wrongful treatment, but in turn are not required to pay restitution to the victims they harmed.\u201D I said that in 2005. I stand by that, but what I want to repeat to Mr Finlayson, because he is partly responsible for this, is that this was a lost opportunity\u2014an opportunity where the Government could stop mouthing meaningless rhetoric about helping victims, and actually do something to turn that into a reality. That was the lost opportunity, that was the broken promise, and that is what this National Government stands condemned for.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022 data-id=\u00228f7614aae7e84a87b3edee6dcfcf31f5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228f7614aae7e84a87b3edee6dcfcf31f5\u0022\u003EKATRINA SHANKS (National):\u003C/span\u003E It is my pleasure to take a call on this Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill. Well, it was interesting. Phil Goff just sat down\u20146 years as Minister of Justice, he put this legislation in place, and now he is standing up and saying it is pretty weak. Actually, if he thought it was pretty weak, he should not have put it in place to begin with. If he wants to be strong for victims, well, he should be standing on this side of Parliament, because we support victims. We are the ones who are putting through this strong legislation supporting our victims in New Zealand, and making them a priority for this Government. But this bill does have a very difficult task. It does, because we must acknowledge the Crown\u2019s failings against prisoners, and at the same time recognise the impact that prisoners have had on their own victims. It is a very fine line to actually get it right. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003ECurrently, we know that this legislation has got a sunset clause, and when that expires this bill will come into force, and it will allow for the prisoner debts such as reparation payments and legal aid costs to be deducted from compensation. We do know that it will allow for a process whereby victims can make civil claims against offenders. We do know that this is going to make it permanent. There are no sunset clauses in this legislation, because we back this legislation to be the correct legislation. We do know that it will provide for cases where the compensation may take a while to be granted, and the statute of limitations on victims\u2019 claims may expire, and it will prevent this situation from happening and ensure victims have their right to redress. We do know that we had eight submitters, the main one being the Law Society, which submits on most legislation in this Parliament, and makes some very good points. It raised many points around the human rights in this legislation, but we believe we have got this balance right. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003EWe do have to remember that victims are the centre of our justice system for this Government, and we will do everything that we can for those victims in New Zealand to get good outcomes. This is one more bit of legislation in the right direction. It was my pleasure to take a call in the third reading of this bill tonight.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022 data-id=\u0022e8f00888e3a44d9d8875365093289851\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e8f00888e3a44d9d8875365093289851\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is this a split call?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225db0a23e-1579-44c6-9194-76e34cf5ae99\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022161dc4aefe4340c9b0e53ddc6cbcbcc3\u0022\u003EDr Rajen Prasad\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, it is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b9daa683411428db87ad1c652c0f3b7\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Five minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225db0a23e-1579-44c6-9194-76e34cf5ae99\u0022 data-id=\u00224be9b0c13daa4cc59d0404f00fa0e41c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225db0a23e-1579-44c6-9194-76e34cf5ae99\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224be9b0c13daa4cc59d0404f00fa0e41c\u0022\u003EDr RAJEN PRASAD (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I am pleased to take a short call on this particular bill, the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill. Let us be clear. I think we will all agree that the public expectation is that prisoners will not benefit from their crimes, if you like, in any way, or indeed by what happens to them when they are serving a sentence. The Taunoa case brought that to light, and there was the reaction against it, justifiable public reaction, that while this was happening to somebody when they were supposed to be being punished, the victims outside were not receiving anything. So Minister Phil Goff, in those days, brought an interim measure into place, and that was put in. Clearly, and the records show, it was in the expectation that a better system would be found, hence the sunset clause, which has been renewed several times. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225db0a23e-1579-44c6-9194-76e34cf5ae99\u0022\u003EIf I take what the last speaker, Katrina Shanks, was saying, that this is as good as it gets\u2014well, Ms Shanks smiles, but that is the message I take from what you said\u2014that National is the Government that is interested in victims, and this is its response to it. So if this is as good as it gets, let us see how good this bill is. It has added nothing more than the original bill\u2014$50,000 has gone back to victims, over what period of time? Since 2007. Members on the other side of the House stand up and crow about this as the exemplar\u2014that this is how it ought to be done. That is intellectually dishonest. If, indeed, the thought had been put into how this bill was constructed, then Ms Shanks could have got up today, pointed to the new additions to this bill, there would have been cross-party support, everybody in this House would have supported it, and New Zealand would have put a marker in the sand. But that is not what has happened. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225db0a23e-1579-44c6-9194-76e34cf5ae99\u0022\u003EWhat has happened is that this is the further politicisation of this particular issue. When something like this comes out with great fanfare, Ministers say \u201CLook, here we are, addressing the problem.\u201D, but that lasts only as long as their story is on the front page of the newspaper. The grafting that needs to go on to actually address the problems is where the real work of policy makers goes in. That has not happened in this particular bill. In fact, even the promise given for cross-party negotiations did not take place. Why did that, at least, not happen? As I say, that did not happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225db0a23e-1579-44c6-9194-76e34cf5ae99\u0022\u003EThere is no moral ground on which the Opposition could stand to say that this is the best we can do and the best we can bring forward. There was no proper review. There have been any number of the ideas that have come out as to how victims could be compensated. Mr Goff raised very, very good points about how to balance the victims of white-collar crime and the victims of blue-collar crime. The Government\u2019s side\u2014the National Government and the ACT Party\u2014is not interested in the victims of white-collar crime. It is not. That has run into billions of dollars. In fact, to be absolutely honest about the desire to redress victims, if this bill was properly addressed\u2014as Mr Goff designed it and as the promise was given\u2014the Government would have come back today with a comprehensive bill that would say that this is how we compensate the victims of white-collar crime and this is how we compensate the victims of blue-collar crime, and there would be no difference. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225db0a23e-1579-44c6-9194-76e34cf5ae99\u0022\u003ESo it is intellectually dishonest, as I say, to say that this is a demonstration of this Government doing the best it can in bringing forward an exemplar, because that is not what this bill does. This bill does not deliver on a promise\u2014the promise that victims will actually be properly compensated. I have not heard of any victim coming up and saying that $50,000 over 8 years is really the best we can do. If that is the best that this country can do, the best that the Government can do, then I think we fall far short of the ideal. So it is an opportunity lost, and, again, the victims are the victims again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225db0a23e-1579-44c6-9194-76e34cf5ae99\u0022\u003EAs for the next time this bill is looked at, I think members across the House have made many, many good points as to what it would look like. We will support this bill because there is no reason why we should not support it, but we are disappointed that it has not delivered on the promise. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u002248936923db474671ba8184d440013a9b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002248936923db474671ba8184d440013a9b\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to add another Green Party voice in opposition to the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill, following on from my colleague David Clendon, our justice spokesperson, who raised several key points relating to our position. I think you can sum up our opposition with four key points, roughly. One is that the original Act, the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims Act 2005, provided for a review to ensure that victims\u2019 rights and the effectiveness of this bill were able to operate clearly. This bill is now going to entrench, without consultation and review, that law. We think that is a massive lost opportunity. There is a lot of thinking and work to be done to ensure that our system is adequately delivering for victims outside of the prison system, and also that our prisons are as safe and geared towards rehabilitation as they can possibly be. By passing this bill in this way, we are missing the opportunity to have that conversation, and, as a result, we are missing the opportunity to make our country safer and fairer. We believe that is a real shame. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThe second reason we are opposing this bill is around the fact that we want to ensure that our prisons are safe and promote rehabilitation. There is a very real possibility, too, that this bill will provide a perverse disincentive for prisoners to report injury, abuse, or even torture within the prison system. Anyone who has had anything to do with the prison system must be aware of those power relationships in there and the very real potential of abuse and the need for our systems to actively check those power imbalances to make sure that those places are as safe as possible. That is a matter of rights, but it is also a matter of promoting good rehabilitation, because we know that the more people are alienated from society, the less incentive there is for them to turn their lives round. If they do not feel they are being respected by society and have a stake in society, then there is no sense for them to rehabilitate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThe third reason we are opposing this bill is that we have a commitment to human rights for all people\u2014victims and prisoners. We note that New Zealand has signed the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. This requires each State party to ensure that victims of torture have an enforceable right to fair and adequate compensation. This bill threatens that commitment. We have been told it is justified, but over 6 years $45,000 has been returned to victims. I am not sure you can say that that is actually a justifiable result for the victims or for the victims who are prisoners. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThe fourth reason we are opposing this is that we actually want to improve the justice system for victims. Again, as I said earlier, this is a massive lost opportunity of the time that has been spent on this bill coming back to the House\u2014for the third time, in fact. We are being told that the Government with its agenda at the moment cannot look at work around domestic violence legislation. We have been told by the Minister of Justice that the decades of work that have gone into looking at alternative pre-trial and trial processes that might help increase the conviction rate from the pitiful 1 percent that it is for most sexual offences have been taken off the agenda and are not worthy of the time of this Government. Again, we have seen similar work in the Evidence Act. If this Government really, truly cared about victims, then the focus would go on actually ensuring our system delivered for victims. It is a sad day when we get this instead. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022eac30cc3351345e09319a5340224ca06\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Prisoners\u2019 and Victims\u2019 Claims (Compensation and Reform) Amendment Bill be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 101\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 33; New Zealand First 7; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 18\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party 14; M\u0101ori Party 2; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022717454ed5ce543bc83b4c8dc50c0b729\u0022\u003EEmployment Relations Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022820391fbeaac48139723223679eb9337\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000549\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 4 June.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022 data-id=\u00225a267111213241a487c61bc98be6a241\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225a267111213241a487c61bc98be6a241\u0022\u003EDARIEN FENTON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E This bill, the Employment Relations Amendment Bill, is the poster child for the failure of this National Government: the failure to deliver on John Key\u2019s promise of more jobs, the failure to lift wages for hard-working Kiwis, and the failure to close the wage gap with Australia. With this bill, National has declared war on wages. It wants to cut the pay of hard-working Kiwis, and it has reverted to its modus operandi of last century, dressed up in the soft-soap language of choice and flexibility that we heard from the Minister of Labour. John Key\u2019s Government is now the low-wage king of New Zealand. It has held down the minimum wage, it has cut young workers\u2019 pay, and now it is gutting the primary wage-fixing mechanism under New Zealand law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EIt is already hard going, and it is costing New Zealand workers and their families, but this bill is going to have a knock-on effect throughout the labour market, and further entrench Kiwis in a low-wage economy. By taking away Kiwis\u2019 right to fair wage negotiations and standard setting, this bill will result in workers across the board seeing their wages fall. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EEvery change from this Government, from allowing employers to walk away from collective bargaining and negotiations to stopping people from finding out why they have been sacked, to taking away the right to a tea break, is about National looking after its mates at the expense of everyone else. This is payback for the Government\u2019s wealthy mates, who have become restless\u2014and did we not see that last week in the media? They think the Government has been too soft on workers and unions. They hate unions. The Government\u2019s mates do not like the fact that we still have the remnants of a bargaining system in New Zealand, where workers can actually have a say. They donated big time to the National Party, expecting a whole lot more. What did we see last year? The former Minister, Kate Wilkinson, with all due respect to her, had pressure put on her, and now it is on Simon Bridges, that very ambitious Minister, to deliver to the party\u2019s donors. They want to see workers put in their place, and that is what this bill is about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EThis bill undermines the foundation of the Employment Relations Act, which is meant to promote collective bargaining, not destroy it. It is meant to promote compliance with important international conventions. The bill destroys the foundation of good faith and fair dealing in our law, which Governments, business, and unions have worked on so carefully for the last 10 years. It puts industrial relations firmly back on the agenda as a political issue. We say: \u201CBring it on.\u201D\u2014bring it on. Kiwi workers are sick and tired of being told by this Government that they should be grateful to have a job. No matter what the pay is or what the conditions are, they should be grateful. That is what this bill is about, as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EOnce, the backbone of New Zealand jobs was about a fair day\u2019s work for a fair day\u2019s pay. It was about a chance to build a better life for ourselves and our families. But now, while John Key gives handouts and favours to his mates, Kiwi workers are seeing the dream of decent work slip further away. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EThis bill is not good for workers, but it is not good for employers either. Good employers, under this bill, will have to compete with bad employers, who will have free rein under these changes to employment law. Actually, I have had many employers express privately to me their puzzlement about these changes. They do not seem that fussed about them, and many tell me they never asked for them. What employers are saying to me is that they need stability, and this bill is going to upset the labour market in a way we have not seen in years and years. The truth is that the only people who are going to do well out of this bill are employment lawyers, and I hope the Minister has provided more resources for the Employment Relations Authority and the Employment Court, because that is where this is going to end up. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EThe Government seems increasingly out of touch with good employers who are trying to do the right thing. It is missing out on the conversation that is taking place all around us about the living wage. We have got employers lining up to sign up to be living wage employers. The Government is deaf to that. It does not seem to understand that things are changing in New Zealand. People do not want this bill. They do not want us to go back under this Government to the system that we had 20 years ago. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EBut let us be in no doubt: under this bill standards set by collective agreements that extend across the labour market to wage and salary earners will stall. New workers being employed and doing the same work as others can be paid less. The Government\u2019s own advisers said that; it is in the Cabinet papers. Collective agreements are going to be harder to settle, and I think that is the aim of the bill. Then there are the extraordinary proposals to tax workers 10 percent of their pay for partial actions, and allow their pay to fall below the minimum wage. There is no measurement about what that action can be. The Minister said yesterday that it was about a level playing field. Employers already can suspend and lock out workers who take partial action. There is no balance in this in terms of workers being able to do things similar to that. Actually, I cannot find a jurisdiction anywhere in the world that does this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EA consequence of this silly policy\u2014goodness knows where it came from; probably from the floor of a National Party conference, and we know the sorts of things they come up with\u2014is that this bill has pages and pages and pages dedicated to being able to tax workers, fine workers, for taking little, little action. That could be just working to rule, with workers doing their full hours but saying to an employer: \u201CWe\u2019re a bit upset with you about the collective bargaining. You\u2019re not giving us a pay increase. So we\u2019re going to do just our jobs and no more.\u201D They can be fined. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EIf we are talking about meanness, there are in this bill cuts to meal and rest breaks, which I thought we had seen the back of in 2010 when it disappeared, when it went to the bottom of the Order Paper. They have been revised. What that means is the boss will decide whether workers get their break. What is even worse is that workers will be required to work during unpaid meal breaks. I do not know what the name is for that. I think years ago they used to call it slavery, where people were required\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002222b4c366cd0e442297a00fbfa8660746\u0022\u003EAndrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: I think they call it flexibility now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b227f750d5b74ad38d9f645486ca7465\u0022\u003EDARIEN FENTON\u003C/span\u003E: It is flexibility these days, that is the thing\u2014slavery or flexibility. What it means is that workers are going to be required to work for nothing during their breaks. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EI was interested in the Minister\u2019s comments about Part 6A. Clearly, he has had the message that the proposal to cut the protections for vulnerable workers is not supported by many businesses. We all know where this proposal came from, despite a comprehensive review, which took the Minister 3 years and included not only the Department of Labour but the employment of a separate consultant. There were specific recommendations that small and medium sized businesses should not be exempted. Then former Minister Kate Wilkinson got the CrestClean message: \u201CGet rid of Part 6A, or we will campaign against you.\u201D And they did\u2014they did. The National Party connections in CrestClean, a company that has had cases against it around Part 6A, got rid of her. The next minute, despite all the advice and a 3-year review, Cabinet decided to exempt small business. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EThis bill comes from a Government that simply does not get it. It has never understood the vulnerabilities of a worker standing up to an employer, when the employer holds all the cards, when the worker\u2019s economic livelihood is on the line, and when their only choice is to keep quiet, to shut up and be obedient, or lose their job. This is a Minister running this who has never had to face an employer who has more bargaining power than him. This is a Minister who made it plain yesterday that he does not understand the consequences of this bill. I do look forward to the conversation he is committed to at the International Labour Organization next week, and I look forward to a report back on that. But there is a better way than this. This constant grinding down of Kiwi workers is not acceptable. We need a party with the backbone to make decent work a reality again, and that party is Labour.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022 data-id=\u0022c31e06bb01204555b28b3ad72bc52ba8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c31e06bb01204555b28b3ad72bc52ba8\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT (National\u2014Hamilton East):\u003C/span\u003E I thought that was a serious speech from Darien Fenton until the last moment, when she talked about the face of the future being the Labour Party. What a joke. Come on, Darien, get in the real world. This is the modern 21st century. You are not in the 1900s. You are not in Communist Russia now. This is the real world. People work, and they live and they make the most of their opportunities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E This bill, the Employment Relations Amendment Bill, is good legislation. It is flexible, it looks after workers, and it provides the right environment for employers to be able to provide opportunities. It is good legislation for employers, it is good legislation for employees, and it is good legislation for our country and our economy going forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003ELabour Party members use a whole lot of rhetoric. They try to scare people, they try to take advantage of people\u2019s emotions, they try to say things that are not true, and they do not come up with any basis or reality to what they say. It was a load of rhetoric; that is all we heard. Did we hear what the matter was with the bill? Did that member point out one section in this bill and say there is a problem with it? No. That member just spoke rhetoric in terms of what the Labour Party wants to portray. It wants to portray that we hate unions. That is what that member said. Those were the words that came from Darien Fenton. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003ETwo weeks ago we were here in this House debating a Sue Moroney bill that was an attack on unions, a blatant attack on the power of unions. Sue Moroney brought it to this House thinking she was going to be the communist legaliser of redundancy payments, and then she realised half-way through the debate that it actually hurts unions to do what she was wanting to do. The Labour Party never has, never will, and never can care about people. The Labour Party cares about itself. It always has cared about itself, it always will care about itself, and it does not understand what is good for this country and its people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EThis is a good bill. It streamlines some of the provisions around the Employment Relations Authority, it makes some extensions around flexible working arrangements, it returns to the original position in the Employment Relations Act around good faith, it helps employers in multi-employer bargaining, it allows for taking account of partial strike action, and it removes the 30-day rule that enforces non-union members to take union terms and conditions. It does make some changes to Part 6A, and it works on having clarity for information that is required for affected workers in situations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EThis is a good bill. It is in the best interests of New Zealand\u2019s economy, and it is in the best interests of New Zealand workers. The Labour Party will just use rhetoric all night long to try to put it down when the Labour Party does not really care about people and cares only about itself. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u0022f0e3b4e13a534d37beb9814b7a4654cb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f0e3b4e13a534d37beb9814b7a4654cb\u0022\u003EANDREW LITTLE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E If there is one thing that this bill does, it takes us to the 19th century; it does not take us to the 21st century. I want to give the member David Bennett, who spoke just now, one concession\u2014it is true that National Party members in Government do have a connection with unions. Let me see now. They belong to some of the most powerful unions in the country. Mike Sabin is a former member of the Police Association, a very powerful union. Michael Woodhouse\u2014and I think even Mr Bennett himself\u2014is a former member of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of New Zealand, a very powerful union, collectively organised. The Attorney-General, Chris Finlayson, and Kate Wilkinson are members of the Law Society, another powerful union. Simon O\u2019Connor is a member of the Catholic Church, which is probably the most powerful of all of them. So they do understand about organising in their own interests, but the difference between them and us is that we look after working people and their interests, and those who have to stand up to those in authority to look after their own. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThis bill, the Employment Relations Amendment Bill, proceeds from the false premise that a level playing field needs to be created, as the Minister of Labour said last night\u2014or that a level playing field needs to be restored. The implication, of course, is that there is not presently a level playing field in employment. Well, I have got news for the Minister and indeed for Mr Bennett, who told us that we were boldly moving into the 21st century, and that is that the employment relationship is not equal. It never has been; it never will be. It is inherently unequal, and the Attorney-General will know this because he is a man of law and a man of letters. He will know what the origins of our employment law are. It starts with the common law; it does not start with statute. It starts with the common law, and the common law of employment, which goes back at least 150 years, is still the law in this land, and it is amended by statute. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ELet us go back to the common law, because it still applies. It recognises that the employment agreement is a special agreement because it means one thing\u2014that one party, the worker, submits to the authority and control of the other. There is no other contract that does that. No consumer contract and no commercial contract requires an individual to submit to the authority and control of the other, and to limit their freedom as a result. It is an agreement to submit. It is an agreement to submit to the instruction and control of the employer, but it is not an agreement of servility, and decades and centuries of employment law tell us that the employment relationship is not a relationship of servility. But the reality is that the common law was never good enough to hold back the worst of exploitation and the worst excesses of employers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ELet us remember too how the common law described the employment relationship. It did not use the modern 20th century and 21st century language of \u201Cemployer\u201D and \u201Cemployee\u201D. It used the very raw language of \u201Cmaster\u201D and \u201Cservant\u201D. It is the common law of master and servant, and if you want a good depiction of how that operated, you only have to look at Upstairs, Downstairs and the more recent rendition of it\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bcf88a62e58e4bc98c222df7fe19ffda\u0022\u003EIain Lees-Galloway\u003C/span\u003E: Downton Abbey.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201e77f8ebc9d40dd8af053ea009eb56d\u0022\u003EANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014Downton Abbey. That is where it all stems from. So what did the common law inadequately do? It set up half a dozen duties\u2014four duties on workers and two duties on the employer. The duties on the workers included the duty to obey. That is the inherent thing about the employment relationship. You are obliged to do as you are told. That is the relationship of submission in the employment relationship. As well, it says that you have got a duty of personal service. You have to do it. You cannot contract it out to somebody else. You have to do it yourself.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022426016de91f540f289ccc391cc941ff4\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ebaa0102a834c9c85175a8410b34a70\u0022\u003EANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: There is the duty of fidelity, Mr Speaker\u2014and, of course, it is not you, Mr Speaker; I would not require you to submit to anything other than the authority of this great House, the authority of the will of the people. We know what you are here for. The other duties are the duty of fidelity\u2014you have to act in good faith to your employer\u2014and the duty of confidentiality. You can understand how all of this came about through servants and the master-servant relationship. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe duties on the employer were the duty to pay wages, and that was periodically and as agreed, and the duty of a safe system of work. But, as I said before, that was inadequate so statute law had to intervene to protect workers and what freedoms they were allowed to exercise\u2014the freedom of association, the freedom to organise and join together with their workmates, the freedom of choice. Also, there was the freedom to bargain collectively. These were so fundamental and so important that they have been recognised internationally in international agreements, and are now celebrated each year at the annual conferences of the International Labour Organization, or the ILO. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe history of employment law is either the history of progress towards a more sensible and constructive and collaborative relationship between workers and their employers, or a regression back to the master-servant relationship. The disappointing thing is that every law change this Government has made in employment law has taken us back towards the master-servant relationship. This is the Government of master and servant. That is the only employment relationship it knows\u2014more servility, more submission, more control, more master-servant. That is the National Government 2013. It knows nothing else. It is old-fashioned, it is old hat, it is 19th century, and it takes us backwards. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EWe know what National\u2019s attitude towards unions is. It was represented by Cameron Slater. He said he was pathological about unions. He said he a pathological hatred of unions. Well, he is right about one thing. He is a sociopath\u2014we know that\u2014but has a pathological hatred of unions, and he is the biggest public relations machine for the National Party. He defines them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b127143440e24b6ba6bf70313971c8a7\u0022\u003EDarien Fenton\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s Judith Collins\u2019 supporter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226fbb24d61d1a4444aa76d3eab644adf1\u0022\u003EANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: And his biggest hero, of course, is Judith Collins, the Minister of so-called justice. Can you believe it? The challenge of modern management is to harness discretionary effort. Good managers, good employers, know this, which is why they do not buy into the tardy old, grubby old National Party of old, like the present lot. They buy into modern management techniques, which are about harnessing discretion and getting the best out of people through mutuality, through mutual respect, through working together, through collaboration, through respecting the choice of workers to belong to the unions they wish to belong to, and through respecting the choice to bargain collectively. What does this lot do? They introduce a law that allows employers to trot off to the Employment Relations Authority to stop collective bargaining, to deny the freedom of choice of workers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E What is interesting is that we have had the principle of good faith in operation in this country for 13 years now, and when the employer trots off to the Employment Relations Authority under this bill to stop collective bargaining and frustrate the freedom of choice of workers, a number of conditions have to be met. But there is not one condition that relates to good faith, the requirement of good faith, and the Attorney-General will know, because he is a sensible man, that our employment jurisdiction is defined by equity and good conscience\u2014equity and good conscience. [Interruption] Mr Finlayson QC will know that he or she\u2014they who come to equity come with clean hands. We have to talk about it in the plural these days, so we are talking about at least four hands. They who come to equity come with clean hands. But under National\u2019s 2013 bill, when you go to the court of equity and good conscience, you do not have to have clean hands. That is what National represents. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI am going to talk very briefly about the power of the employer to penalise workers who take what is called a partial strike by deducting their pay. In 2008 the Amalgamated Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union led a piece of industrial action with Air New Zealand and with flight attendants employed by a subsidiary called Zeal 320 Ltd. Their strike action\u2014and it was defined as strike action; they had to give notice\u2014was that they decided to breach the dress code for Air New Zealand. They turned up to their shifts, they flew on the planes, and they hosted passengers, but they turned up in feather boas. They turned up in flash pink gear\u2014and that was just the blokes. They turned up in fancy clothing. One or two even had t\u0101 mokos on them and they were allowed to fly. Not a single flight was disrupted as a result of those flight attendants and their partial strike. Not a single passenger was turned away. The company continued to make money, but it was a partial strike. It was a difficult dispute. What it led to ultimately was a brilliant relationship, a constructive relationship, and a collaborative relationship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EUnder this bill those workers would be penalised for standing up for their rights, a better deal, and greater equality. That is how insidious this piece of legislation is. That is how far behind the eight ball and the times the National Government of 2013 is. This is a terrible bill. It is a dumb bill. It is a silly bill. The members opposite know it. They will shamefacedly go through the process tonight. They know it is wrong, and we will oppose it with all the fibre in our bodies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022 data-id=\u0022173ea4a6b6c74e4f9442be17854c03db\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022173ea4a6b6c74e4f9442be17854c03db\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It is a Green call. Look, the member should call. I think we need to clarify something. The member should call. The Speaker will determine who gets the call. Just because someone else stands up\u2014we have a sort of rational approach to doing this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022 data-id=\u00222b00aa7354374e80a71f829d796fc894\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222b00aa7354374e80a71f829d796fc894\u0022\u003EDENISE ROCHE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E This is a noxious piece of legislation and the Greens will not be supporting it. The Employment Relations Amendment Bill is another nail in the coffin of workers\u2019 rights in Aotearoa New Zealand. This bill is designed to force wages down and to keep workers in insecure jobs, and it is a blatant attempt to undermine unions and limit a worker\u2019s ability to collectively negotiate decent wages and conditions with their employer. Put simply, this bill is a return to the 1991 Employment Contracts Act. It goes hand in hand with other noxious legislation this Government has introduced like the youth rates, the 90-day rule of the last term, and the reform of the welfare system, which is designed to flood the labour market with workers who are desperate for a job and prepared to take anything, which, of course, undermines the pay and conditions for all workers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EThis bill perpetuates a narrative that employers are benevolent creatures who charitably offer jobs to workers and that we should all be grateful. It deliberately creates an industrial relations environment that is hostile to unions and hostile to workers. Effectively, it tilts what was never a level playing field in the power relationship between the employer and the employee heavily into the employer\u2019s favour. This is hardly surprising when one considers that the entire policy setting from this Government since it entered power in 2008 has been to advantage its rich friends and privatise as much of the common public assets and capital as it possibly can. There are numerous examples of this\u2014Skycity is one, charter schools are another, and private prisons and countless road building projects\u2014that do not stack up economically. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EThe privatisation agenda is evident in this bill when you see the removal of the requirement that collective bargaining continue until the collective agreement is resolved. This is the Ports of Auckland dispute. This is the clause that was put in the bill because of the Ports of Auckland dispute. If we cast our minds back, we will recall that over a year and a half ago the ports\u2019 management was keen to avoid settling the collective employment agreement for the Maritime Union of New Zealand workers because union workers refused to allow the complete casualisation of their jobs. The company then attempted to contract out the jobs. However, it was stopped by an injunction, and the company has been forced into negotiations. There has been a raft of unsavoury behaviour from the ports\u2019 management since last year, including revealing leave details of one worker, utilising the right-wing media to tell lies about how much wharfies earn, advertising jobs overseas to replace striking and locked-out workers, and, of course, punishing union members who were already casuals by reducing their hours until they were forced to leave the union. Since then, of course, there has been the setting up of a yellow union, which has settled the collective employment contract\u2014containing less favourable working conditions\u2014for fewer workers. The collective employment agreement for Maritime Union of New Zealand members is still unresolved, despite the Employment Court directing the parties to have facilitated bargaining.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EThe removal of the provision to conclude bargaining undermines the ability for any union to negotiate collective agreements on behalf of its members. As Helen Kelly said quite recently: \u201CCurrently an employer can refuse to settle on an issue \u2026 but they can\u2019t walk away on ideological grounds from the bargaining \u2026 The new law will remove the obligation to conclude allowing instead for surface bargaining by employers who have no intention to settle.\u201D In last month\u2019s employment law update from law firm Buddle Findlay, it described the changes to the collective bargaining by this bill as being \u201Cthe most significant since those made by the last Labour Government in 2004,\u201D and also said that it favours employers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EAs well as removing the duty to conclude bargaining, the bill allows employers to opt out of multi-employer bargaining, which effectively means we can wave goodbye to industry standards. It means employers can carry on competing on price by reducing wages below their competitors, which reinforces a low-wage economy. The dreams that this Government said we would achieve, like catching up to Australia, are fast becoming far-fetched when it takes this kind of approach. New Zealand, as we have heard recently, is now becoming the centre for low-wage workers, and some Australian companies are contracting out their call centre functions to Wellington. It is no wonder. With these types of laws\u2014and I include the dubious Hobbit legislation in this\u2014we have become a nation of State-sanctioned sweatshop workers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EThe bill takes us back to 1991, with a focus on individual rather than collective bargaining. It removes the 30-day rule, which is the requirement for employers to offer the collective, if there is one, to new workers. This provision was to protect new workers from being taken on at lower rates on individual agreements that they may have felt compelled to accept, or else they would not get the job. In so doing, that protected their colleagues, as well. When you combine that provision with the 90-day trial provisions that this Government introduced last term, we see a lack of a level playing field in very stark relief. In practice, what happens is that new workers have no choice but to accept whatever the employer offers them, or they will not be employed at all. I, for one, have already seen examples of workers being too frightened to join a union during their 90-day trial, in case they get the sack because they are \u201Ctoo stroppy\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EThe meanness of this legislation is really, really apparent in the removal of the only protection vulnerable workers have under the current provisions in section 6A of the principal Act. This is the section that meant that the mostly low-paid workers employed by contract cleaning companies at least kept the same pay and conditions if the contractor changed. It is no secret that the previous Minister of Labour, Kate Wilkinson, was lobbied substantially by one small contract cleaning company, which complained that this provision was unfair. So what did the Minister do? She changed it so that the provision would not apply for companies that employ fewer than 20 staff. Similarly, for the removal of tea and meal breaks, the law being changed to remove those rights in the legislation is due to one issue where an employer and a sole-charge air traffic controller could not agree on a time for a tea break. Once more, we see the Government use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EThis bill is backward-thinking. It creates an environment where workers will not speak their minds at work, and this is a huge risk for health and safety for those in dangerous occupations. When we create a culture where workers will not speak up in case they are seen as troublemakers, we put workers\u2019 lives at risk. That is why the Australian health and safety regulations have more worker participation, because those on the job know what the problems are. We could learn a lot from them, instead of carrying on with our appalling accident and death rate for workers in the forestry sector, in the agriculture sector, in the building sector, and, yes, even in the mining sector. This legislation is Draconian, and I urge the House to oppose the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022 data-id=\u00221cc31310e62643aaa85bdd2a6c488e1f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221cc31310e62643aaa85bdd2a6c488e1f\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN (National\u2014Northland):\u003C/span\u003E The previous speaker, Denise Roche, suggested that this bill, the Employment Relations Amendment Bill, is all about employer sweatshops. I would like to suggest that the only sweatshop around this place would be the deodorant-free Labour\u2014I mean the Green Party conference. Sorry, I almost got the Green Party confused with the Labour Party there, but they are kind of merging together. What happens when one combines green and red? You get this kind of muddy brown colour\u2014that is right. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EFlexibility, reducing compliance costs, freedom to compete and expand, duty of good faith, proportionate responses, relaxing provisions, and\u2014here is the pearler; here is the pearler\u2014additional choice. Well, in the words of Catherine Tate, \u201CHow very, very dare they.\u201D What a liberty that the National Government might introduce this to the workforce of New Zealand! Welcome to 2013 to the Labour Party and its mixed-ownership model friends on the watermelon benches. Welcome to 2013, where work is valued, where hard work and initiative are actually valued, and where employers are given some choice and the ability to reflect their initiative and their enterprise in their workplaces and actually get ahead and succeed. That is about flexibility and freedom to thrive and survive. What is Mr Cosgrove pointing at?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2217d5035f149d9aa4983ba364bc2e3\u0022\u003EHon Clayton Cosgrove\u003C/span\u003E: Why is Tony out the back?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ca18d73ff524d4892cec5b5c1c82444\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN\u003C/span\u003E: That is another hard-working National Government member, Mr Cosgrove\u2014something the Labour Party is very unaccustomed to. Yes, it is like some sort of foreign animal. That is a hard-working MP. What could that be? What could that be? [Interruption] There is fire in their bellies\u2014there is fire in their bellies. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EThis bill, it has been suggested, is returning to the master and servant, subservient relationship. I think that describes the unions. And, really, what is clear is that the unions\u2019 day has come and gone, which is why\u2014[Interruption] That is right. That is right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022956611daea9e42768158e3d7cfc13265\u0022\u003EKris Faafoi\u003C/span\u003E: Are you a member of the Police Association?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222389402ec3e541469e08c92575955b11\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN\u003C/span\u003E: That is right; I am a member of the Police Association. That is right. That is right, but you will find\u2014[Interruption] There is no enemy of the unions here. There are no enemies of the unions here. The difference is that that association has moved with the times. That party certainly has not, and the master and servant description, that sort of mentality that employers are the enemy of the employees, is why the Labour Party is still languishing over there, propped up by its xerox printing friends in the Green Party. I commend this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u0022ecaced2d98324428a5f3b93b190de9f7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ecaced2d98324428a5f3b93b190de9f7\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! I cannot hear the honourable member Barbara Stewart. Was she trying to get the call?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264667df877f64201a42c589bd8e784e9\u0022\u003EBarbara Stewart\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I was.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022afe891b35801428cace09c9d53335a05\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: In that case, I call the honourable member Barbara Stewart.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022 data-id=\u00223e7b84b5315a4eef974ac523c55d9d5f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223e7b84b5315a4eef974ac523c55d9d5f\u0022\u003EBARBARA STEWART (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I rise on behalf of New Zealand First to speak to the Employment Relations Amendment Bill. This bill is creating challenges even before it has got through its first reading stage, and we in New Zealand First have no doubt that as it goes further through the process, the outcry will be louder.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b51304127bb4449ebc4ce16d8c8e8538\u0022\u003EMike Sabin\u003C/span\u003E: That member doesn\u2019t believe what she\u2019s reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226491009ad6644a1a94bd5b074916f74c\u0022\u003EBARBARA STEWART\u003C/span\u003E: I do not believe this bill. New Zealand First is not going to support this bill. We believe that it is an affront to the rights of workers, and we are continually seeing under this Government the slow erosion of workers\u2019 rights as anti-worker legislation is pursued. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First believes that if the economy is going to actually prosper and grow sustainably, then the relationship between employers and employees needs to be appropriate. Employers need flexible, dedicated staff, and employees need appropriate conditions and remuneration. There is a really fine balance between assuring and affirming the rights of workers, on one hand, and allowing enough worker flexibility so as not to hinder any business\u2019s production or productivity. In New Zealand First, we understand that, and we believe that the New Zealand public also understand this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003EThere is always a trade-off, a balancing act, between the two extremes. Kiwi workers and Kiwi business owners know this. The biggest percentage is more or less in the centre. They are very aware that to go to either end of the spectrum is to invite the prospect of workers\u2019 strikes or their own businesses failing, and we do not want to see this. There are too many businesses going under. They are already downsizing, closing, and we do not want to see the job numbers fall even further than they have. An increasing number of jobs are required. We want our young people to come back from overseas to work here in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003EIn New Zealand First we do not believe that there is actually any demand for these changes that the Government is proposing. Just what is behind all of these changes? Radical changes are being made, and there is no need for them. In this regard it is like the other piece of employment legislation we had a couple of weeks ago, where workers are going to be paid less\u2014young workers\u2014than the minimum wage. In New Zealand First we are going to be very interested to monitor this and check whether or not businesses have actually increased the number of young people they have employed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be6d6f69db554b9c87ee40115114ba39\u0022\u003EDavid Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: New Zealand First monitors the public? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002224f23bb134f247a99c5e253996b7c9df\u0022\u003EBARBARA STEWART\u003C/span\u003E: No. We actually do not believe this. We have already seen numerous businesses come out against this particular legislation. They want to protect their workers and they want to protect their brands against all of the unnecessary nastiness that this Government is actually creating. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003EFor a party that is really cosy with the public relations firm Crosby/Textor, National has poorly assessed the political risk that businesses are facing when they implement this legislation. This bill today is another kick in the head for New Zealand workers, but it is also more than that. It is seeking to apply a set of rules when there is already a great deal of flexibility for employers and employees and, in this way, it just goes to show how out of touch this National Government is with the small and medium sized businesses throughout New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003E Small businesses have always had understandings with their employees, and will continue to do so. Cafe owners, retailers, electricians, petrol stations\u2014they all expect their staff to go the extra mile when it is busy or when they are faced with a deadline, and the staff are, by and large, obliging. That is expected, and it is appreciated. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003EThis Government is discussing employee strikes and union action, and is trying to create a level playing field. The employment relationship is not a level playing field, and it never can be. It is about collaboration, and it is about working together. If we look at strikes, they are usually with large corporations. They are corporations that employ numerous people\u2014corporations that have the resources, the ability, and the nous to be able to cover the rostered tea breaks. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003EThis bill is not about improving business; it is about the National Party actually pandering to its extreme-right minority at the expense of the more moderate majority. As parliamentarians, we are expected to represent the views and the interests of people, yet how many of us here could truthfully say that we do not expect a dinner break at 6 p.m.? We expect it, we want it, and we need it\u2014we definitely plan around it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220daaf9fb-1a1f-4d31-848a-fd13cb1a2c5a\u0022\u003EOnce again, this Government is showing how out of touch it is. It is attempting to pass legislation for which there is no need, and it does not exist in reality. Once again, it has misunderstood the working relationships in small businesses. Once again, it is pursuing an anti-worker agenda when most businesses are content with the status quo. For these reasons, we are very pleased to be voting against this bill and all of the challenges that it is going to create in the workplace. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239eaf38a0875480a9b28b34e825c6e14\u0022\u003EChris Auchinvole\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u0022f75f64d6c12a404fa7ef36b33601b14c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f75f64d6c12a404fa7ef36b33601b14c\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Have we finished? I am just trying to deal with the situation on my left, but I recognise the honourable member Chris Auchinvole.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022 data-id=\u00226fba5d5f787d44deb146c4b229b4c8c3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226fba5d5f787d44deb146c4b229b4c8c3\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National):\u003C/span\u003E Why is it that whenever we have an industrial relations bill, those on the other side of the House\u2014nice people individually, in every sense and in every way\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a519be2a96342d8a0ba45b465833a88\u0022\u003EMike Sabin\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, don\u2019t exaggerate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002214cde868812c4c5ebe0bca2272fd5986\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE\u003C/span\u003E: No, they are\u2014they are. Why is it that they leap into a stereotypical transformation, in a gang, and assume the various unionist roles so aptly played by Peter Sellers in films like I\u2019m All Right Jack, where the archetypical trade union shop steward had a nose-to-nose confrontation with the archetypical personnel manager, played by Terry-Thomas? The trouble is that this was the 1960s, when even I was young. Why do those members want to drag us back to the wicked old days of constant confrontation? The reason why\u2014I can tell them why, and they will not disagree\u2014is that that is how unionists make their money. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EI cannot understand why they adopt this despicable attitude towards employers, as if employers do not like in any shape or form the very people who work for them and who produce their profits, their well-being, and their continuance in business. I find myself\u2014and this shows you the extent to which I have been moved by listening to those miserable speeches from the other side\u2014agreeing completely with my colleague David Bennett. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f552e6a3cbe247f0821a2580f517d8a0\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Oh!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b2542e5b35cc412087ed293b036a41d4\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, yes, it has come to this. I am not so sure\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc73f73cd4754c6cade619c6d20f817b\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The Speaker will not allow a person addressing the House to be drowned out. This is not a pub.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227fa6edadcfd94a9183b43571c672a185\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7731c937cae43afb5274c99abe2fc59\u0022\u003EHon Clayton Cosgrove\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I feel that it is only fair that you advise the member that he may want to withdraw and apologise for that last statement he made in his speech.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d8b6030507d4fd58ea45ed117ab30b3\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I call the honourable member Chris Auchinvole.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6b07f66f8774cc7961d8409c8f7bdc2\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE\u003C/span\u003E: I shall ignore the comment that came from the other side of the House because it is the best way to deal with the comments from that particular member, and I am sure that, on reflection, he does not really mean what he says. But I am sure that I will also agree\u2014and here is the member David Bennett\u2014with my colleague Cam Calder, who is yet to speak. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EI was intrigued, though, at Andrew Little\u2019s example of each of us belonging to a union, but saddened that even he, a scholarly person dedicated to his profession\u2014and yet so angry\u2014is still, in his own words, locked in the time of Downton Abbey and sees labour relationships in terms of servility. I never saw labour relationships in terms of servility when I was a worker, and nor did I when I was an employer. If Andrew Little is the leader of a trade union, it speaks volumes in terms of attitude.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E This piece of legislation, the Employment Relations Amendment Bill, is good legislation, but it will not be seen as such by Labour or, indeed, by New Zealand First, which wants to keep everything the way it is at the moment. Labour wants to drag it back 30 years. I hesitate to say it, but Labour views it through an old-fashioned pair of spectacles. I would encourage those members to freshen up and see the opportunities offered by this excellent bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EJust a final word for Andrew Little, because he brought up the question\u2014[Interruption] No, listen to this bit. Andrew Little brought up the question of Air New Zealand workers wearing mufti. I cannot believe\u2014think back a week\u2014his temerity and duplicitous attitude in his approach. He was hailing them as heroes, whereas when I, in innocence, wore my sleeveless jersey\u201460 stitches to the inch, merino and alpaca, hand-knitted, probably by the women of W\u0101naka\u2014who was it who objected? Who was it who raised the point of order to you, Mr Assistant Speaker Robertson, in the Chair? It was Andrew Little. I was deeply hurt and offended. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022 data-id=\u0022ee833f9d12f249869a89a4346762011c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ee833f9d12f249869a89a4346762011c\u0022\u003ESUE MORONEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Well, does that not just about say it all? That last speaker, Chris Auchinvole, thinks that this legislation, the Employment Relations Amendment Bill, is to be debated as a piece of theatre. Because that is what we just had\u2014Chris Auchinvole, from the National Party, thinking that this is a piece of theatre. This is about people\u2019s lives. I do not know what it is that that Government does not get, or how it has become so out of touch so quickly that it does not realise that this piece of legislation is about everyday people\u2019s working lives. It is about what people do when they leave their families every day. It is about the relationship that happens in their workplace. It is about them returning safely to their families at the end of that day, and having the income on which to live. That is what this bill is about. It is not a piece of theatre; it is about real people\u2019s lives. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EI have become used to hearing Simon Bridges butcher the English language in this House, but here he is butchering people\u2019s rights at work this time\u2014butchering people\u2019s rights at work. That is exactly what is happening with this piece of legislation. The member who just resumed his seat, Chris Auchinvole, told us that it was a good piece of legislation, and then could not even tell us why. He had not one reason to offer this House about why he thought this was a good piece of legislation. I think that deep in his heart and in those of most of his colleagues, they know that it is a piece of nonsense. It is a piece of nonsense. What is the Government doing but actually trying to take away people\u2019s rights at work? And for what purpose? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003ELet us have a think about the moment in history where we sit, here in New Zealand. We sit in a moment of time when we are trying to struggle our way out of a global recession.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022044c1763f723461195fb7431b3faebf9\u0022\u003EChris Auchinvole\u003C/span\u003E: And doing very well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225797246630604ad09b50ed26f3531dc5\u0022\u003ESUE MORONEY\u003C/span\u003E: And not doing very well at it, actually, Mr Auchinvole\u2014not doing at all well. We have been in a recession for 5 long years. That Government has been promising to get us out of recession every single year since it came in, and it has been failing. But I digress. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EWe are in the midst of a global recession\u2014a global recession, by the way, lest we forget, that was brought about by a lack of regulation. I think people have almost already forgotten that. It was brought about by a lack of regulation on the financial sector. That is what brought about this global recession, and who have been the people who have lost out as a result of that lack of regulation of the financial institutions and the investment bankers like John Key? Who have lost out? It has been ordinary working people who have lost their jobs. Every day you pick up the paper there are 50 or 60 or 100 jobs being lost somewhere in New Zealand. They are the people paying the price. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EWhat is the solution? The solution the National Government has come up with is the same one its members have always trotted out, no matter what the circumstance is. The solution is to attack people\u2019s rights at work. That is the solution they are putting up to get us out of this global recession. Well, it is an absolute piece of nonsense, and no wonder Chris Auchinvole could find not one reason to say why he thought this was a good piece of legislation, because it is not. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EIt is not about a level playing field, Mr Bridges. I listened to his first reading speech, which was, I think, yesterday in the House. He said the reason for this was to create a level playing field. Well, hello, Mr Bridges. Have a look at the environment we are operating in. When we have 1,500 people lining up for 30 minimum-wage jobs at supermarkets every day of the week\u2014as if there were that many jobs every day of the week\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b89ec7ee11da4283bc05b2d27a757bb4\u0022\u003EDarien Fenton\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s a level playing field.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5d7e90390b3481a9ebbb11dfac52b99\u0022\u003ESUE MORONEY\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, tell us about the level playing field. Tell me where the power balance is in that exercise. When you have got hundreds of people lining up for a small number of minimum-wage jobs, guess where the power lies in that relationship? [Interruption] David Bennett would have us think that the people lining up, begging for the minimum-wage jobs have got the power on their side. That is how far removed the National Party members are from reality. They are so out of touch with what is actually going on in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EOne of the parts of this bill says that it is going to require any workers taking strike action to give notice. This dreadful strike action is obviously causing our global recession. What strike action and where? No answers. What is the problem that National members are trying to fix? For these strikes that are not taking place, they want these striking workers to actually have to give notice. Well, I am in the middle of a debate on a first reading bill of my own in this House because that Government is refusing to actually agree to workers having any notice of their jobs going\u2014of their jobs being made redundant. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EI have got a bill in the House now, asking for it to be put in the law that notice is given to workers whose jobs are going to go, whose entire income is going to be taken away from them. That Government refuses to give that notice in the law, and yet here its members are saying that workers\u2014who are actually not even striking, by the way, because we do not have a problem here in New Zealand on this issue\u2014have to give notice that they might withdraw their labour for a period of time from the employer. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EWell, that just goes to show how out of touch that Government is and how against the ordinary working person its members actually are. They do not value workers. They actually do not value working people or the contribution they make to this country. Bills like this show us and expose the National Party members for what they are. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EBut the other piece of this bill that I want to draw people\u2019s attention to is something that we should not even be debating in the year 2013 in this Parliament. That is the right for working people to have a lunch break, and to have a morning tea break and an afternoon tea break. This is an issue that is actually close to my heart because I in fact wrote the piece of legislation that they are amending. I actually wrote the amendment that was brought in by the Labour Government in 2008. While Kate Wilkinson, when she was the Minister of Labour, was going about writing this amendment that says that employees do not have to have a break, they can bargain it away, her department was reviewing the law that Labour brought in, to see how it was working a year after it had been established. And do you know what they found? They found that it was working fantastically well. They found that of the employers\u2014and I think there were something like 1,000 employers whom they interviewed\u2014just 11 percent of them have had to make alterations as a result of that law. And the vast majority of that 11 percent of employers said it was a really good change, that it made a difference, a positive difference, in their workplace when they gave more regular and longer meal breaks and rest periods to their workers, because productivity went up and health and safety issues came down. Employee morale went up. That is what they told the reviewers\u2014that is what they told them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EHere comes this Government with its dreadful, dreadful record on health and safety. Have its members learnt nothing from the Pike River mine? Have they learnt nothing at all, because here they go again, not understanding that people\u2019s rights to take a break at work is a fundamental issue around health and safety. When people do not get regular breaks at work, that is when things go wrong. They have learnt nothing from the Pike River mine inquiry, and they need to get that out and read it good and proper before they pass this piece of legislation. The impact of what they are trying to do here will reduce people\u2019s rights at work, and it will make their workplace less healthy and less safe. It will mean that we will have more accidents at work, and productivity will go down, employee morale will go down, and health and safety problems will go up. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EIs that the brighter future? They campaigned on a brighter future, and I can see no brighter future in this piece of legislation. I can only see New Zealand going backwards to the bad old days of the Employment Contracts Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022 data-id=\u0022344f51c006a843b1a912a41e02e9a8bf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022344f51c006a843b1a912a41e02e9a8bf\u0022\u003EDr CAM CALDER (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker, for the call. It is most civil of you. It is a great pleasure to take a brief call on the Employment Relations Amendment Bill. This bill, as is very clear, is aimed at improving fairness and flexibility in workplace relations. We were asked what it is about\u2014this is what it is about. Our focus simple, again: creating more and higher-paying jobs for New Zealanders as part of our plan to build a more competitive economy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EWhat does this bill do? It is simple. The bill amends the Employment Relations Act 2000 in relation to collective bargaining, flexible working arrangements, good-faith bargaining, rest break and meal break provisions, and the Employment Relations Authority. The bill also introduces an exemption from certain requirements of Part 6A of the Act relating to continuity of employment, and I am sure we will talk about this further in the debate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EThis bill is about pragmatically improving and promoting flexibility and fairness in the labour market. It continues our strong and unrelenting focus on reducing compliance costs and unnecessary and burdensome regulation\u2014much of it put in place by the previous Labour Government. We are committed to maintaining the framework for collective bargaining\u2014maintaining the framework for collective bargaining\u2014but we wish to ensure that there is adequate flexibility and choice within that framework. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EWe are also keen that ineffective and unnecessarily protracted bargaining that has productivity and other social impacts is avoided and that the fairness and balance of bargaining requirements are appropriate. National is ensuring employees and employers have the freedom to compete and expand while key protections for employees are maintained. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u00226ddb91a264db45b3aff4838fe6551794\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226ddb91a264db45b3aff4838fe6551794\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I advise the House that this is a split call. I call the honourable member Iain Lees-Galloway.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022 data-id=\u00221e7d2411d45d4b468fb990de163874b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221e7d2411d45d4b468fb990de163874b9\u0022\u003EIAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour\u2014Palmerston North):\u003C/span\u003E Well, the National Party has never seen a workers\u2019 right that it did not want to get rid of, has it? That is basically what this Employment Relations Amendment Bill is about. The National Party has never seen a workers\u2019 right or a working condition that it did not want to get rid of, and all this bill does is take us back to the bad old days. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003ESome people have said that it takes us back to the 1990s. I reckon it takes us back to the 1890s, or maybe even before then. It is positively Dickensian, this bill. If a worker should dare ask for more, sir\u2014if a worker should dare ask for more\u2014the Mr Bumbles over there will send them off, not even to the workhouse but out of the workhouse out on to the streets. That is what the National Party wants\u2014that is what the National Party wants. I am not sure whether they are the Bumbles or the Fagins over there, but either way this is a Dickensian piece of legislation that takes us back to the bad old days of the master-servant relationship in the workplace. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EIn the 21st century the workplace is supposed to be a partnership. It is supposed to be about the employers, the capitalists, and the employees, the labour, working together to build a better business. But that is not what the National Party believes in. It believes in the old master-servant relationship, where it tips the balance in favour of the employer every time. This is all designed to drive down wages, and to make sure that the workers have so few rights and are so on edge in the workplace that they will never demand anything. They will never ask for more. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003ERemoving the duty to conclude collective bargaining is about bad employers\u2014not the good employers. There are plenty of good employers out there, but the law is always about making sure the ratbags cannot get away with their bad behaviour. So bad employers will be able to put ludicrous terms on the table, and when the union does not agree to them, they can just walk away. They can just walk away from collective bargaining. They can spray and walk away. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003ERepealing the 30-day rule, allowing employers to opt out of multi-employer collective bargaining\u2014this is about getting industry standards. It is about unions and employers working together to build their industry. National does not want that. It does not want multi-employer collective agreements. It does not want to see the kinds of pay rises that the nurses got when the district health boards settled a multi-employer collective agreement with the Nurses Organisation. It does not want to see wages rise. John Key said it himself. He would love to see wages drop, and that is what that part of this legislation is about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EThen we have got this awful thing, the so-called strike tax, the partial action tax. So if workers wanted to, maybe, wear a sticker to work to show that they were taking the smallest, tiniest form of industrial action, just to show that they were not happy with the way bargaining was going, then the employer would have the right to deduct 10 percent of their wages. Mr Bumble would be proud of this. Of course, removing workers\u2019 entitlements to rest and meal breaks\u2014I mean, how petty. How petty can the National Party get? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EActually, if I could just go back to the strike tax, we know that this is not the end. The northern region of the National Party voted in the weekend to support employers being able to lock workers out and to then replace those workers. So it is not even workers wanting to strike or take their own industrial action. The employer\u2014one day, if National gets its way\u2014will be able to take the industrial action, lock the workers out, and then replace them with somebody else. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003ESome people have said the National Party is anti-union. The National Party is not anti-union. The National Party loves some unions. It loves the Employers and Manufacturers Association, a fantastic union that works for employers. The National Party loves it. The National Party loves Federated Farmers. If Federated Farmers say \u201CJump!\u201D, the National Party says \u201CHow high, sir? How high can we jump for you?\u201D. The National Party actually quite likes unions; it just hates workers. It just hates the labour force. It sees the labour force not as a vital component of growing business but as a cost\u2014a cost to be reduced and a nuisance to be annihilated. That is how the National Party sees hard-working employees in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EThis legislation is simply about removing rights, removing bargaining leverage, and ensuring that workers are so on edge about the ability to keep their jobs that they will ask for nothing. There will be no more requests for more under this legislation, because if you ask for more, you will be out on your ear.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u00222c38abb92d6d464a9015f935eeb72521\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222c38abb92d6d464a9015f935eeb72521\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to speak on this Employment Relations Amendment Bill, asking the question of who will benefit from this law, and also how consistent it is with the Government\u2019s agenda to increase productivity. My position and my belief is that this bill will benefit very few people, and only in the short term; it will make things much worse for many, many more people; and it will not help us collectively as a country at all. This bill undermines the influence of workers\u2019 unions, and that, fundamentally, undermines the ability of people to join together to help each other to create a good workplace, and to help each other to have decent conditions and better lives. This Government has articulated its vision, whereby freeing up employers from the restrictions of such negotiations and any pressure to provide decent conditions means that these employers\u2019 profits will grow enough so that they can employ more people. We are told that this is going to be good for people in New Zealand because it will create more jobs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThis bill is yet another example of the trickle-down theory in action. At the heart of this is the same justification given for the existence of sweatshops. We are reminded again and again by this Government, whenever we raise issues of equity, of the global financial crisis in this world. It is almost as if it is suggesting we are greedy to want the poorest people in New Zealand to be able to live decent lives. This bill increases the power of employers and encourages rogue companies to come in and underbid good employers who offer decent wages and conditions. And you can be sure that that underbidding will come from the wages, rather than the profits. This is going to impact on cleaners, mostly, who are some of the lowest-paid workers in this country, and many of whom are women, many of whom are Pasifika\u2014the people that this Government gives lip service to wanting to improve the conditions of. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThis bill removes the guaranteed meal and refreshment breaks. This bill makes it easier for employers to opt out of bargaining for multi-employer contracts, which is our structure for getting industry standards. In the words of the Service and Food Workers Union: \u201CThere is not one thing in the raft of proposed changes [in this bill] that will help New Zealand workers to increase their already very low wage rates,\u201D. Welcome to the dystopia of National\u2019s industrial relations. The National Government is failing to share fairly the benefits of economic prosperity, which is happening right now for a small group of people. There are people in New Zealand who are getting richer by the minute in this country, and that benefit, that wealth, is not being shared. The OECD report out today cited incomes well below average and particularly high pre-tax capital income inequality as problems needing redress. It highlighted the low levels of people management skills across the business sector as an underlying cause for low productivity, and this bill feeds poor management practice. It encourages employers to see workers striving for better conditions as a pure cost, rather than an opportunity for productivity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThe Green Party has a much different vision for our future prosperity. It is a vision based on investment in our people, adding value in terms of the value chain, and our getting a greater share of that. This bill undermines that brighter future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022 data-id=\u00229833e10c0e854b4590225354ea521033\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229833e10c0e854b4590225354ea521033\u0022\u003EHon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I note that we have a Minister in the House who has got his earplugs in and is listening to an iPad. I raise just two points with you. There is a convention around telephones, cellphones, and what not. I doubt whether the Minister, Mr Ryall, can hear us\u2014because he is probably listening to Liberace or something like that; I am not sure\u2014but could you give us a ruling as to whether it is appropriate to listen to Kylie Minogue or the top 20 in the House when you should actually be listening to the proceedings of the House, especially if you are on a quarter of a million dollars a year as a Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u0022c7fc21ff2e694355b7810102927c19b1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c7fc21ff2e694355b7810102927c19b1\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I am not sure what the Minister is doing, but everybody in the House would be aware that\u2014[Interruption] Order! I am on my feet. Everyone would be aware that it is improper to use a cellphone in the House, and it should be turned off. The Minister should know that, if that is the case and what is happening.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022 data-id=\u00223585c9bd7c4e494881aa09a803a1f2bf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223585c9bd7c4e494881aa09a803a1f2bf\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR (National\u2014T\u0101maki):\u003C/span\u003E Is it not a paradox that we have been listening to an hour and a half, you know, of \u201CThis is an attack on workers.\u201D, and then it is someone from the Labour Party who stands up and starts to point at someone who is actually doing some hard work in the House. I think the word is \u201Cparadox\u201D\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5f1d8eccef94cef95321206200ad187\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002269a11625e19c4017b2b56a8d2dfbe2ca\u0022\u003EHon Clayton Cosgrove\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000673\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002299f4b360b4e147b5b784d81921a83d4c\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Just a minute, Mr Cosgrove. The member cannot refer to points of order that have just been held. The issue is closed; it is not for him to do so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000674\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294b2c41963c4439fbffa0dc3ad497cce\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: I thought it was purely hypothetical and\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000675\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229238e07e442f4796bb157e8a00718813\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5f6ab0e88a44f239d8e3f00c5fedbbe\u0022\u003EHon Clayton Cosgrove\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. You have just made two definitive rulings. I know that the member is a new member, but you made a very, very clear ruling that it is not appropriate to challenge the Chair, and he does it again. You have some course of action available to you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cbe922b11d6e4bffa05fab84b994663a\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: The member on his feet had barely begun. He was not even halfway through his first sentence. I challenge that member to say how he could possibly have known what he was\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022141cd00c8884474a8b4d21f09f174f72\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I know it is one of those debates. I just ask the members to show some restraint. I have called the honourable member. Would he please get on with his speech in this debate. Chaos may be the parent of creation\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000679\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022317f4aeeb1c9422d9061df24fcc19950\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Indeed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000680\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002282ed8ea7129240ef8b7220c216e2ba87\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014but in this place, we will have order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c0ccd01a9ed84ce6b88d059e94568e30\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: We will, indeed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e2f612489f64cf68489e2b2e72da75e\u0022\u003EHon Clayton Cosgrove\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bae8fe4998014cc38ff06b92dbedd58d\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I have just given a ruling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002224c54878fae04bfe9a90780de28c209e\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s trifling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f9c512a8-d532-4ef9-ad51-0fe8d752a893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d36c9af6fe944df4adb6d0b43a5a73a7\u0022\u003EHon Clayton Cosgrove\u003C/span\u003E: No, I am not trifling. I think it is important, because the Chair has ultimate authority in this House. The point was made that I was being challenged in respect of my conduct\u2014taking a point of order. The reason I knew that the member was out of order was that, the whip may note, the Assistant Speaker leapt to his feet and ruled that he was out of order. Wakey, wakey.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a330d966f88d4452b706e31a01c0e196\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Mr Cosgrove, you were doing exceptionally well, and then you had to ruin it right at the end.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ecfa665fcc0445dfbf76e0a67c61e940\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much, Mr Assistant Speaker. I am all for bringing order out of chaos. I think the original Hebrew or Aramaic is \u201Ctohu wa bohu\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EBut as I was saying, hypothetical and paradoxical is an element of what we have heard tonight, as we have heard, basically, a number of philosophical positions being put forward. One of the primary ones is the whole Hegelian element of master and slave. We have heard of power dynamics, which is delightfully Marxist, and, for some who want to be slightly, slightly more modern, it is very Foucault. The problem with all of those people is, firstly, they do not know what we are talking about. Secondly, of course, those are names of a past and discredited philosophy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EThis bill, the Employment Relations Amendment Bill, is not hypothetical. It is not paradoxical. It is about balance and it is about trust. This is about rebalancing dynamics within the employment sector. We have heard a number of things here tonight, but I have got only a few moments to speak to it. The first is around the meal and rest breaks. Most of us have enjoyed them in different ways. This bill does not get rid of them; this just steps away from being prescriptive. This is about maintaining a clear signal to employees and employers that they can negotiate these breaks; it does not get rid of them. It is all about flexibility. At the ultimate end, this is about trusting Kiwis. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b095293ff144d1a82e1f3ee70d31133\u0022\u003ESue Moroney\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, that old chestnut\u2014there\u2019s power in that relationship\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253b180756ee74dd5975440237d9f31c8\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Ah, yes, we hear \u201Cpower relationship\u201D again\u2014old term, Hegelian philosophy. This is about trusting Kiwis. This is about trust and this is about balance. This is moving away from the hypothetical and the paradoxical. This is moving on to real, good legislation. I commend this bill to the House. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u0022a27f6f4706664fcca568e1786823391b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a27f6f4706664fcca568e1786823391b\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I am just about ready to give out a yellow card.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e255e393b097469693b1751db0dcb4ac\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Employment Relations Amendment Bill be now read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 61\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 58\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; M\u0101ori Party 2; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBill read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000693\u0022\u003EBill referred to the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fbccb7609dc44ca2b4fac84e6e940c67\u0022\u003ELocal Government (Auckland Council) Amendment Bill (No 2)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00222cae2b27d82746ad8d78fb2e64edb8f4\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022 data-id=\u0022ebb8082e775b4fee9b8712a9ae83058d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ebb8082e775b4fee9b8712a9ae83058d\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS TREMAIN (Minister of Local Government):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Local Government (Auckland Council) Amendment Bill (No 2) be now read a first time. I nominate the Local Government and Environment Committee to consider the bill. The Local Government (Auckland Council) Amendment Bill (No 2) will amend the Local Government (Auckland Council) Act 2009 to provide powers for local boards to delegate responsibilities allocated to them under the Act. These powers of delegation are currently provided for through transitional regulations that will expire on 31 October 2013. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EProviding delegation powers to local boards through transitional regulations was intended as an interim solution to allow a better understanding of the operation of local boards to be reflected in a later amendment to the Local Government (Auckland Council) Act 2009. The Auckland Council has indicated that the efficient and effective operation of local boards requires that they continue to have the powers to delegate that they currently have now. The bill, therefore, replicates the effect of the relevant provisions in the transitional regulations. The Auckland Council requested the amendment and supports the detailed drafting of this bill, and I understand that no local board or local board members have sought the enactment of different delegation powers. Given the important but straightforward nature of this legislation, I am sure the select committee will work constructively to ensure that the council\u2019s request is supported. Quick passage of this bill will result in minimal disruption to the ability of local boards to delegate their functions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EAuckland\u2019s 21 local boards were established as part of the Auckland governance reforms. These reforms were instigated in the 2009-10 year by central government in response to the royal commission\u2019s report on Auckland governance. These changes were necessary because of longstanding problems with Auckland. The eight councils lacked a collective sense of purpose and did not have the constitutional ability to effectively address the region\u2019s many issues. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d437b149b06f457790c6bd78b015b14d\u0022\u003EAndrew Williams\u003C/span\u003E: What a load of rubbish!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022540d5358371344528f7209996a5b77f5\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS TREMAIN\u003C/span\u003E: Local issues and parochial attitudes had created an insurmountable barrier to regional progress and integrated development.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000701\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d459e8917922460a98fade08be62da5e\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019ve offended Andrew.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf9035e89cf347e0b11a5c79db608555\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS TREMAIN\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha! A successful Auckland is crucial to the success of New Zealand as a whole. I wonder\u2014oh, I will not go there. This is due to its size, uniqueness, and economic influence. For example, Auckland is home to 1.5 million New Zealanders\u201434 percent of the country\u2019s population\u2014and is responsible for approximately 38 percent of our national gross domestic product. It is one of only a handful of cities internationally responsible for generating over a third of their country\u2019s national GDP. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EThe creation of Auckland Council has already proved to be a success. For the financial year 2011-12 Auckland Council achieved $81 million worth of efficiency savings. This enabled it to deliver a lower than expected 3.94 percent average rates increase to Aucklanders. The rates increases projected for the same year by the former councils averaged some 6 percent. Auckland Council is forecasting further permanent savings, resulting in $1.7 billion in projected efficiency savings over the 10-year period of the current long-term plan. The proposed rates increase for the 2013-14 year is 2.9 percent, which is lower than the 4.8 percent forecast in last year\u2019s long-term plan. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EThe Auckland two-tier model, in which governance is shared between the council\u2019s governing body and local boards, is unique within New Zealand\u2019s local government. The governing body and the local boards are non-hierarchical and share complementary decision-making responsibilities. The governing body has a region-wide strategic focus, while local boards make decisions on local matters. The local boards model has, understandably, taken some time to bed in and be understood\u2014not least by those involved in it\u2014but it is now starting to deliver. The relationship between local boards and the governing body is maturing in recognition of the fact that there are few, if any, regional decisions that do not have a local dimension, and few local issues that do not have regional implications. This is a successful model, and this Government is actively considering making it available in a modified form in other parts of New Zealand with smaller population bases.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EAuckland\u2019s 21 local boards have a significant and wide-ranging role that spans most local government services and activities, including, firstly, making decisions about non-regulatory local matters including negotiating service delivery standards. Secondly, it includes developing, monitoring, and implementing local board plans every 3 years, and negotiating local board agreements with the governing body. Thirdly, it includes providing local leadership and developing relationships with the governing body, the community, and special-interest groups.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227be23eb03fc4fa491e139f81a14ba50\u0022\u003EAndrew Williams\u003C/span\u003E: Who wrote this speech? Who wrote this speech at the DIA?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022304201dfe9d44b30811d4392aad13164\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS TREMAIN\u003C/span\u003E: This bill will enable the continued delegation of some of these responsibilities to a committee, a local board, or an officer of the Auckland Council. It actually might help if the member across the road opened his ears to listen to this wonderful speech, because he might learn a thing or two that he was unable to learn in his period as mayor in one of the former parts of Auckland. However, that is an aside. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EThe bill would not enable the delegation of certain functions such as the duty to identify and communicate the interests of people in the local board\u2019s area in relation to strategies, policies, plans, and by-laws of the Auckland Council. Nor will any local board be able to delegate the ability to propose, amend, confirm, modify, or revoke a by-law, adopt a local board plan, agree the local board agreement for its area, or apply to the Local Government Commission for a determination in respect of a dispute with the governing body of the Auckland Council. These are critical core functions for a local board, and it is appropriate that local boards retain direct responsibility for these powers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EIn conclusion, it is worth noting that only two of the 21 Auckland local boards have populations fewer than 45,000 people. This figure is around the average number of people who live in each city or district outside of Auckland. Elected bodies serving populations of this size need flexibility in how they structure their decision making. They need to be able to create committees and subcommittees, and to delegate appropriate responsibilities to them. In order to ensure that this ability to delegate continues, it is essential that we pass this bill. This will enable the continued effective and efficient operation of local boards in Auckland after the transitional regulations expire. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u0022dbc78be716fa40c69834e7cdc548ebbf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dbc78be716fa40c69834e7cdc548ebbf\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to. I call the honourable member Su\u2019a William Sio. Talofa lava.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022 data-id=\u0022bc894c408ca244f88fbc97c2cd63c3fc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bc894c408ca244f88fbc97c2cd63c3fc\u0022\u003ESu\u2019a WILLIAM SIO (Labour\u2014M\u0101ngere):\u003C/span\u003E Talofa lava, Mr Assistant Speaker. Thank you for the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223c974fd41bd74ef7b43e0ef9b6da7109\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: O a mai oe?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002204abaac6698045d3859e20a2d1922228\u0022\u003ESu\u2019a WILLIAM SIO\u003C/span\u003E: Manuia fa\u2019afetai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d0523aeb4804c61bf0aaeb825f85c49\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Fa\u2019afetai lava.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226cec0c0c28674d809dc4f350a2e0dbbe\u0022\u003ESu\u2019a WILLIAM SIO\u003C/span\u003E: That is enough now. My apologies, Mr Assistant Speaker. Your Samoan is wonderful, as always. It is just that we have moved from Samoan Language Week into the Local Government (Auckland Council) Amendment Bill (No 2). But I do want to thank you for the reminder. Let me just say to all of the House that I thank you very much for your support of Samoan Language Week last week. I note that you, Mr Assistant Speaker, because you represent an electorate with a huge proportion of Samoan population, cannot help but continue to speak Samoan on a regular basis. So fa\u2019afetai tele lava lau afioga le Fofoga Fetalai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EI rise on behalf of Labour to speak at the first reading of the Local Government (Auckland Council) Amendment Bill (No 2) 2013. As the Minister of Local Government has outlined eloquently, the bill is to amend the Local Government (Auckland Council) Act 2009 to enable local boards established under the Act to delegate responsibilities, duties, or powers conferred or allocated to them under the Act. Currently local boards are able to delegate many of their responsibilities, duties, or powers to a committee, a member of the local board, or an officer of the local council under the local government regulations. As the Minister has outlined, the end of the transitional period after which this regulation was to expire is 31 October this year, after the 2013 local body elections on 12 October. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EThe bill provides that a local board to which the governing body has delegated a responsibility, duty, or power may without confirmation by the governing body exercise or perform the responsibility, duty, or power in the same manner and with the same effect as the governing body could itself have exercised or performed it. The bill also provides that no such delegation relieves the governing body of the liability or legal responsibility to perform or ensure the performance of any responsibility or duty. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EThe bill provides for delegations by local boards, without relieving the local board of the liability or legal responsibility to perform or ensure the performance of any responsibility or duty, and provides that for the purposes of efficiency and effectiveness in the conduct of a local board\u2019s business, a local board may delegate to a committee, a member of the local board or subcommittee, or an officer of the Auckland Council any of its responsibilities, duties, and powers except\u2014now I want to make the point\u2014the duty to identify and communicate the interests and preferences of the people in its local board area in relation to the content of the strategies, policies, plans, and by-laws of the Auckland Council; and except the power to propose a by-law or an amendment to a by-law; except the power to confirm a by-law or modify a proposed by-law; except the power to propose the revocation of a by-law; except the duty to adopt the local board plan for its area; except the duty to agree the local board agreement for its area with the governing body of the Auckland Council; and except the power to apply to the Local Government Commission for a binding determination in respect of a dispute between itself and the governing body; and a responsibility, duty, or power that this Act or any other Act expressly provides may not be delegated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E I emphasise those points as outlined in the proposed bill and I agree that Labour will support this bill. It is a technical bill. It is an initiative by the Auckland Council, and, really, is just a continuation of the existing powers that it currently has. I would like to see that when it comes to the select committee process there be some consideration given in light of what we have seen of late in some quarters of local government. This is really to do with risk management. Although I agree that the delegation of powers is a necessary part of enabling local boards, enabling many of us to conduct our affairs efficiently and effectively, we do also have to consider the risk management, particularly in the cases where we may rely too much on those whom we have endowed with the powers and responsibilities. There have been recent examples that come to mind, which I do not want to dwell on at this particular time, but I think there has been some concern raised that often we have seen, on the appearance of it, too much validating legislation due to mistakes or incompetence, or due to those who have delegated authority simply sleeping at the wheel. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003ENotwithstanding that, we believe that this bill simply allows for the local board\u2014the council officials in Auckland, in particular\u2014to get on with the business of representing and serving their local communities. In Auckland there are about 149 local board members. I can say with much assurance that it is a 24/7 job. The local board members work tirelessly on behalf of their constituencies. I know, in particular, that in the M\u0101ngere and \u014Ctara local board areas our teams do a wonderful job of representing our community, and are articulating and advocating on behalf of our community. On the M\u0101ngere and \u014Ctara local boards we have some old hands who have been around, with a wealth of experience, but also we have some young local board members coming through, such as Lydia Sosene, who is a passionate, articulate, hard-working local board member for our communities. So I want to acknowledge the local boards in Auckland for their work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EI think this is also a good time to acknowledge Auckland Council in particular, when you consider the work and effort that it has put in. It has worked extremely hard, despite times being tough. Times have been tough for our ratepayers\u2014high unemployment, few jobs, the rising cost of power bills, increases in petrol\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227df975cd-93d2-4f55-9bc5-d2790e28e043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fdd2a75b652d4aeb8b91a0a91837ed2e\u0022\u003EHon Maryan Street\u003C/span\u003E: Provocation by the Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f48b3c25cb0944fda6eb6abe7e903f2d\u0022\u003ESu\u2019a WILLIAM SIO\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely. Despite this, Auckland Council is getting on with its work. It wants to deliver a livable city for Aucklanders. It wants to get on with delivering jobs, higher incomes, and economic development, and providing opportunities for our young people. Auckland wants to get on with the work in hand and not play the Wellingtonian political gamesmanship that this Government seems to be content doing. This bill ensures there is certainty for local boards to carry out their role, and I think it is important to acknowledge that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EI want to say that I think Chris Tremain, the Minister of Local Government, is such a nice guy. In delivering the legislation tonight I would say that he is probably one of the best Ministers who is well placed to lead local government at this point in time. I would rather see him, who is prepared to listen to Auckland Council, than the likes of Mr Smith, who, frankly, has just been a bully. He has been a bully. I have to say in this day and age, where we do not accept bullies in our homes, where we do not accept bullies in our schools or in our workplaces, why on earth would Aucklanders accept the kind of Minister and the behaviour that Mr Smith is displaying and the bullying tactics that he has shown Auckland? Why? It is ludicrous, when you consider he spent 6 weeks negotiating with Auckland Council, Auckland Council negotiated in good faith with the Government, but at the end of it he decided, after making no mention of overriding powers, to rush through in this Budget overriding powers. How can you have Auckland Council able to deliver what it needs for its constituency when this Government holds a gun to its head? It is unacceptable behaviour. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EI think Mr Chris Tremain is the ideal person who ought to do that. It is unacceptable, the behaviour that Mr Smith is displaying so far. I would ask Mr Tremain to please step forward and help out. Can somebody let this Minister, Mr Smith, see reason? Can somebody help him to be responsible in his attitude to local government and to Auckland Council? Can somebody please help Mr Smith, period, and just put him out of his misery? Mr Tremain, I hope, will have the courage to step up to the plate and take the lead in a very, very important debate. It is just unacceptable, I would say to this Government\u2014it is unacceptable that you have a bully. That is not the kind of partnership that local government is looking for. It does not want bullies in local government. Dr Smith is a bully, as far as I am concerned, and is a bully as far as Aucklanders can see. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022 data-id=\u0022d06ca8c9d61b4cd2abbf0f19de69ea7b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d06ca8c9d61b4cd2abbf0f19de69ea7b\u0022\u003ENICKY WAGNER (National\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E Talofa lava, Mr Assistant Speaker. As we have heard from the very good Minister of Local Government, Chris Tremain, this Local Government (Auckland Council) Amendment Bill (No 2) amends the Local Government (Auckland Council) Act 2009, and it enables Auckland\u2019s 21 local boards to delegate various functions and powers to committees of the local board or to a council officer. These powers were originally provided by transitional regulations in 2010 after Cabinet agreed that local boards should have the power to delegate, although there are some limitations in terms of local representation, the local board\u2019s agreement for its area, and the management of by-laws. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E The regulations were an interim measure. They allowed time for a better understanding of local boards\u2019 operations to develop, which then could be cemented into amending legislation. We need to pass this bill now, because on 31 October this year the transitional powers will expire. The Auckland Council supports this legislation because it believes that the powers to delegate for local boards enable them to operate efficiently and effectively. The system is working well, so now is the time for legislation, rather than further regulation. This legislation will give effect to the present reality. It will provide certainty for the Auckland Council and its local boards, and then local boards will be able to continue their important work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003ELet me make it clear: this bill does not change anything. It just replicates the current provisions, and does not add any new policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000729\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fd333b5ed9984e35af2971e5acfabfd6\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: So what\u2019s the point?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000730\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229fdd1a4fc6914d808c2d988551698397\u0022\u003ENICKY WAGNER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the point is said: the point is it will replace transitional regulations that will expire at the end of October, OK? This is part of National\u2019s Better Local Government reforms, which is a programme to build a more productive and competitive economy and better public services for New Zealanders. The reforms are designed to focus councils on operating more efficiently and to help them be more fiscally responsible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000731\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThe form of Auckland\u2019s local government was recommended by the Royal Commission on Auckland Governance. The royal commission identified that the regional governance in the area was weak and fragmented, and it recommended a new structure for Auckland to give it more common identity and purpose. Although it has taken some time for the changes to embed, the reforms have helped the Auckland Council focus on its planning process and on its core role of providing local infrastructure, public services, and regulatory functions at least cost to households and businesses. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000732\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThis bill is essential to provide continuing powers for Auckland\u2019s local boards to delegate responsibilities, duties, and powers. It will ensure that the system, which is working well and is supported by all levels of local government, can continue to operate. I support this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227df975cd-93d2-4f55-9bc5-d2790e28e043\u0022 data-id=\u002205b73137cf01440b956a7da06a4fc4fe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000733\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227df975cd-93d2-4f55-9bc5-d2790e28e043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002205b73137cf01440b956a7da06a4fc4fe\u0022\u003EHon MARYAN STREET (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E It gives me pleasure to rise to speak to this Local Government (Auckland Council) Amendment Bill (No 2). As the Minister of Local Government has traversed and the chairperson of the Local Government and Environment Committee, who has just resumed her seat, has traversed, this is, indeed, a minor technical amendment, but it is important. It is not a minor technical amendment of the sort that the State sector was in 1986. I am pleased that the chairperson of the Local Government and Environment Committee is in the House, because there are a couple of things that I need to raise that are of relevance to that committee. I am very pleased that the Minister is here also. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000734\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227df975cd-93d2-4f55-9bc5-d2790e28e043\u0022\u003EOne of the things that has concerned me about this bill is not its function as it is stated, because that is perfectly supportable\u2014in fact, not only is it supportable; it is the right thing to do. It is taking transitional arrangements, transitional regulations, and putting them into primary legislation, which is where transitional regulations ought to be. They ought to be in primary legislation so that they can be brought before this House, they can be referred to a select committee, and they can then be debated and passed. But the concern I have\u2014and I would like the Minister to address this at some point if he is able to\u2014is that the explanatory note of the bill says that currently local boards are able to delegate their responsibilities to an individual, a committee of the local board, or an officer of the council. That is fine. That was under the transitional Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Delegations, Development Contributions, and Trade Wastes Regulations 2010. The point is that in front of the Local Government and Environment Committee at the moment is the Resource Management Reform Bill, which has been vexed by the question of transitional regulations. The select committee has applied itself quite properly to the transitional regulations, and I think the chairperson has seen that through in a very fair and admirable way. But I wonder whether there is something not matching here, because in the Resource Management Reform Bill we have been considering the Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Act 2010. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000735\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227df975cd-93d2-4f55-9bc5-d2790e28e043\u0022\u003EI want to know whether that is just a shorthand version of the long name that I read previously, which is in the explanatory note of the bill we are reading tonight. If so, why do we not do the whole thing? Why do we not put the correction of the regulations that were in the original Resource Management Reform Bill, which gave the Minister extraordinary powers to make regulations that could have contradicted the primary legislation, into the Local Government (Auckland Council) Amendment Bill (No 2)? It seems to me that these two pieces of paper are trying to address the same piece of legislation. So does that mean, then, that if we proceed to pass this bill, and the\u2014without breaching privilege\u2014Local Government and Environment Committee\u2019s report on the Resource Management Reform Bill gets presented to the House and we table it next Tuesday, it will go forward to the deliberation in the select committee of the bill that is under consideration tonight? It would seem to me that that is the only way to tidy up something that at the present moment looks like the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000736\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227df975cd-93d2-4f55-9bc5-d2790e28e043\u0022\u003EI am very concerned about that because we spend some time on regulations. It is not just because I am the chair of the Regulations Review Committee. It seems to me that there was a step missed here. Something does not quite fit together. It is simply because I sit on the Local Government and Environment Committee, which I presume this bill will come to in due course. I missed the Minister\u2019s opening comments in his speech, but I presume that that is the committee this bill will be referred to. So in that respect, then, it would be good if we could have the Minister\u2019s permission in advance to use the changes that we are going to make in the Resource Management Reform Bill to dovetail with the changes that he is seeking in this piece of legislation. Otherwise, we are going to send the Auckland Council searching far and wide for the extent of its own powers and the limits of the Minister\u2019s powers, because what we have seen to date in ministerial behaviour towards the Auckland Council has been an overbearing, overweening, bullying\u2014as my colleague Su\u2019a William Sio said a moment ago\u2014approach to the Auckland Council. Well, if this is a divide and rule sort of approach, where it is part of giving the Auckland Council busywork to find out which piece of legislation it is meant to be looking at, then it has worked. Well, it would have worked if I had not spotted it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000737\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227df975cd-93d2-4f55-9bc5-d2790e28e043\u0022\u003EWhat I need to know from the Minister is whether this was deliberate or whether it was simply an accident. If it was an accident, it can be fixed at the Local Government and Environment Committee; if it was deliberate, I would like him to own up and say: \u201CWe\u2019d prefer to keep Auckland Council running around in tiny circles as much as possible, because we\u2019d really like to exercise as much power over it as we possibly can.\u201D Whether it is resource management consents or whether it is the delegation of responsibilities, duties, and powers conferred to local boards, this should all come under, in my view, the Local Government (Auckland Council) Amendment Bill (No 2). \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000738\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227df975cd-93d2-4f55-9bc5-d2790e28e043\u0022\u003EI think that putting the transitional provisions into the primary legislation is the right thing to do. They were there as transitional until 31 October of this year. I have no problem with the delegated authority that exists, because even if the authority to do certain things is delegated, it is still the responsibility of the Auckland Council in law, and still the responsibility of the local board in law. That means that what we should have is primary legislation that gets all the scrutiny of the House and all the scrutiny of a select committee. Transitional regulations are problematic. It is a favourite device of this Government, and the fewer of them we have, the better. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022 data-id=\u002233db6d344ecd4a70a756e5532af61f9a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000739\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002233db6d344ecd4a70a756e5532af61f9a\u0022\u003EDENISE ROCHE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe. I rise to speak to the Local Government (Auckland Council) Amendment Bill (No 2). The Greens will be supporting this bill. This bill makes the transitional provisions for the powers, duties, and responsibilities of local boards in the Auckland super-city permanent. Since they were enacted in 2009, they have been transitional arrangements. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000740\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EWe all know that the super-city was the Government\u2019s biggest experiment. The legislation that enacted the forced amalgamation was a rushed job. We have just heard from the previous speaker about some of the things that were left out and confused. The pace of change that has ensued has given rise to a huge amount of work for councillors, local board members, and council officers. In the less than 3 years since the super-city was enacted, the council, which is made up of the 21 local boards and the governing body, which is the councillors, have completed a 30-year spatial plan. The 21 local boards have developed 3-year plans and have negotiated three times for their local board agreements. The council has drafted the unitary plan, which closed for submissions last week and which, of course, is being undermined currently by the Auckland-hating Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000741\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003ELocal boards have worked incredibly hard, and I must say that most have been effective advocates for their communities. This is despite the fact that the original legislation gave few express roles and responsibilities. The exact regulatory and non-regulatory powers were developed between the governing body and the local boards. The governing body was instructed in the Act to allocate responsibility for non-regulatory decision-making to local boards, unless a region-wide approach was needed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000742\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EAccording to section 10 of the original Act, local boards were set up with the express purpose of enabling democratic decision-making on behalf of communities within the local board area and better enabling the promotion of the social, economic, environmental, and culture well-being of communities within the local board area, in the present and in the future. Some people might remember these as the four well-beings that were stripped from the Local Government Act 2002 by this Government earlier this year. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000743\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003ESo how are local boards to do that? Well, the transitional arrangements under section 16 of the Act simply stated that the local boards were responsible for community engagement, preparing local board plans, monitoring the local board agreement with the governing body\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000744\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a891e1bee964fcea8194452eb7db903\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member. Honourable members, the time has come for me to leave the Chair and the House. This sitting of the people\u2019s House is suspended and I shall resume the Chair at 9 a.m. tomorrow, 6 June 2013, for the extended sitting. Haere ra, ka kite an\u014D, p\u014D m\u0101rie, good night.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000745\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20130605ac836bca35a34bab845d7052125caa8c000746\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 10 p.m. to 9 a.m. (Thursday)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002257096eada19e433899cac0edcae87c67\u0022\u003EWednesday, 5 June 2013\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000002\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227f19505bf4b544c6bd4f5af75b96ce08\u0022\u003E(continued on Thursday, 6 June 2013)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022be43a4a751644137b51b1041fae60387\u0022\u003ETe Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00228dfee8c028814c9d8962846acf995110\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022 data-id=\u00228f630731eadd4b778928253b8e309496\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228f630731eadd4b778928253b8e309496\u0022\u003EHon Dr PITA SHARPLES (Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs) \u003C/span\u003Eon behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: I move, That the Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill be now read a first time. Tuatahi, kei te mihi au ki a koutou kua hara mai nei ki t\u0113nei Whare o t\u0101tou i t\u0113nei rangi. He r\u0101 nui t\u0113nei kia t\u012Bmata ai t\u0113nei w\u0101hanga, kia haere ng\u0101 k\u014Drero i roto i te Whare P\u0101remata m\u014D ng\u0101 w\u0101 e toru. N\u0101 reira nau mai, hara mai r\u0101. Hara mai r\u0101 me ng\u0101 tini mate kua p\u0101 ki a t\u0101tou an\u0101, ko Tino Moana t\u0113tahi i hinga mai n\u0101 i te p\u014D, te tama a Thomas Moana. Tana tama, a Tino. N\u0101 reira, ng\u0101 mate kua p\u0101 ki a koutou otir\u0101, ki a t\u0101tou, takoto, haere ki ng\u0101 t\u012Bpuna m\u0101tua hei wh\u0101riki m\u0101 m\u0101tou. Ehara m\u0101 m\u0101tou e whakaroa te k\u014Drero ki a koutou \u0113ngari, ko te mea pai ki ahau kia haere tika ai koutou ki reira, \u0101, ki mua o Te Kaihanga. N\u0101 reira, r\u0101tou ki a r\u0101tou, t\u0101tou ki a t\u0101tou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou. N\u0101 reira, nau mai, hara mai. He r\u0101 nui t\u0113nei m\u014D koutou. Kei a t\u0101tou nei i roto i te Whare \u0113tahi k\u014Drero e tautoko ana te huarahi e pai ana m\u014D koutou kua whakatakotoria e koutou. N\u0101 reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, ng\u0101 iwi katoa o Te Tau Ihu, nau mai, hara mai r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[Firstly, I greet you collectively who have arrived here in this House of ours today. This is an important day, which allows this session to commence so that the debates in Parliament can proceed throughout the three readings. Therefore, welcome, come hither. Come forth with the many deaths that have touched us, such as that of Tino Moana, son of Thomas Moana\u2014his son Tino\u2014who died last night. And so, to the deaths that have touched you and, indeed, all of us collectively, lie there in state and go forth to the ancestral forefathers as a mat for us. We will not prolong the tributes to you, but the nicest gesture from me is for you to go directly there to be before the Creator. And so, they the dead remain there among themselves, and we the living to ourselves. Salutations to us, welcome, welcome. This is a great day for you collectively. We in this House have statements to make that support the best way forward for you in respect to what you have placed before us. So congratulations and well done to you all, the tribes of the Prow of the Canoe. Welcome, and, indeed, welcome.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EAt the appropriate time I intend to move that Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill be considered by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. Today we turn south from Te Whanga-nui-a-Tara. We look across Raukawa Moana, past the resting place of Te Wheke-a-Muturangi, to the lands of Te Tau Ihu o Te Waka M\u0101ui, the prow of the great canoe of M\u0101ui, Tikitiki-a-Taranga. It is my honour to welcome to the House the sons and daughters of Ng\u0101ti Apa ki te R\u0101 T\u014D, Ng\u0101ti Kuia, Rangit\u0101ne o Wairau, Ng\u0101ti K\u014Data, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua, Ng\u0101ti Tama ki Te Tau Ihu, Te \u0100tiawa o Te Waka-a-M\u0101ui, and Ngati Toa Rangatira. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EAll eight iwi of Te Tau Ihu had valid customary rights that should have been protected, honoured, and guaranteed by the Treaty of Waitangi when it was signed in 1840. But within years of the Treaty being signed the Crown illicitly acquired millions of hectares of Te Tau Ihu lands and resources. The Crown failed to obtain the full and free consent of the rightful landowners. These massive land acquisitions were invalid in both British and M\u0101ori law. They were clear breaches of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EWe are here today because the Crown failed to protect, honour, and guarantee the rights of Te Tau Ihu iwi, Te Tau Ihu wh\u0101nau. For us in 2013 to even try to comprehend what this loss meant all those years ago, and what it means today, we need to understand how Te Tau Ihu wh\u0101nau were living at that time. In the mid-1800s the waters around Nelson, Golden Bay, Marlborough Sounds, and K\u0101piti were the equivalent of our modern-day motorways. They were expressways for trade, and the merchant ships, cutters, and vessels plying the waters of Raukawa Moana were owned by tangata whenua iwi of Te Tau Ihu. The flax, pigs, tobacco, meat, potatoes, timber, and maize on board those ships were grown on Te Tau Ihu lands, and cultivated, harvested, and processed by Te Tau Ihu people. They owned the lands, the storehouses, and the ships that carried their produce throughout New Zealand and abroad. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EEven before Europeans arrived on these shores, the people of Te Tau Ihu were trading across Aotearoa. When you take millions of acres from people who have only ever known a life of enterprise and self-determination, you are not just taking away land; you devastate an entire way of life. You are taking away an identity; you are taking away a birthright. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe Crown, governors, and officials acted ruthlessly, sidelining the Treaty and deliberately giving new settlers advantages over M\u0101ori. As a result, the Crown\u2019s purchases left Te Tau Ihu M\u0101ori in poverty. Today the Crown stands before the families of Te Tau Ihu and acknowledges the social, economic, and cultural devastation carried by generations of families. But, through it all, the peoples of Te Tau Ihu remained steadfast, they remained at the helm of Te Waka-a-M\u0101ui, and they did not leave. Their identity was intact, but never destroyed; their way of life devastated, but never wiped out. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EIn the face of incredible injustices, generations of Te Tau Ihu people have made an incredible contribution to Aotearoa New Zealand; they always have. Ng\u0101 mihi ki a koutou. Archaeological evidence from this rohe proves that our ancestors\u2019 epic voyages were planned, purposeful, and often were return journeys. Hemi Matenga of Whakapuaka literally connected New Zealand to the world in 1876, swimming out in dangerous conditions and dragging to the shore our first undersea telecommunications cable. Te Tau Ihu has produced countless Olympic champions, sports stars, and All Black greats. M\u0101ori businesses in this region are industry leaders across a range of sectors, including wine, hospitality, and tourism. And who can forget that Te Tau Ihu leaders were at the forefront of the historic foreshore and seabed battle\u2014an iconic moment for M\u0101ori who marched in our thousands to this Parliament on a freezing cold day in 2004. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003ETe Tau Ihu people have always punched well above their weight, and when it comes to our country\u2019s political, cultural, historical, economic, and sporting history, today is another of those milestones. Many of the things these people have lost due to the actions of the Crown can never be totally replaced, yet the people of Te Tau Ihu still wish to settle their grievances with honour and with mana. Although only one settlement bill is being considered by Parliament today, the Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill gives effect to eight deeds of settlement. This is an amazing milestone and a testament to the determination and leadership shown by the eight Te Tau Ihu iwi, who have managed to overcome their differences to get to this point. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill will provide redress to three Kurahaup\u014D iwi\u2014Ng\u0101ti Apa ki te R\u0101 T\u014D, Ng\u0101ti Kuia, and Rangit\u0101ne o Wairau. These three iwi signed their deeds of settlement in 2010, and for them today has been a long time coming. I acknowledge their patience and their pragmatism. In a region with extremely overlapped iwi interests and where Crown redress was becoming increasingly scarce, the three Kurahaup\u014D iwi have shown great leadership by foregoing their claims to forestry interests, in exchange for other commercial redress. This extremely bold decision unlocked the regional stalemate and enabled negotiations of other Te Tau Ihu groups to progress. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill will also provide redress to four Tainui Taranaki ki te Tonga iwi\u2014Ng\u0101ti K\u014Data, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua, Ng\u0101ti Tama ki Te Tau Ihu, and Te \u0100tiawa o Te Waka-a-M\u0101ui. I also commend the patience and resilience of the Tainui Taranaki iwi, whose negotiations were put on hold while the Crown addressed other issues raised in Te Tau Ihu. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003ELast but certainly not least Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill will settle the claims of Ngati Toa Rangatira. In many respects, the Ngati Toa negotiations presented new challenges to the Crown, in particular because of the geographical spread of the rohe of Ngati Toa, straddling both sides of Te Moana o te Raukawakawa, including cultural redress of extreme significance to the iwi and in New Zealand in general. Redress over the maritime interests of K\u0101piti island and Ngati Toa, as well as the Haka Ka Mate Attribution Bill, which recognises \u201CKa Mate\u201D as the taonga of Ngati Toa, are extremely innovative forms of redress and I acknowledge the determination of Ngati Toa in getting to this point. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill is the culmination of years of hard work and tough decisions, not only for the Crown but also between yourselves. You should all be proud of what you have achieved. The journey to get to this day has not been easy or brief. We remember the many who have passed on but whose determination has led this legislation to this House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E M\u0101 whero, m\u0101 pango, ka oti te mahi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[By chiefs and commoners the work is done.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThere are many whakatauk\u012B about M\u0101ori working together\u2014countless proverbs, all about putting differences aside for the greater good. Today we witness the wisdom of our t\u012Bpuna, who coined these whakatauk\u012B, and we see those words into action. Today we witness a milestone in a journey that is not just about the wonderful idea of M\u0101ori working together but will be a transformative step for the people of Te Tau Ihu. Today we see this taking place before our eyes as we introduce legislation to resolve the historic grievances of eight iwi. I support this bill. M\u0101ku e t\u016B nei i roto i t\u0113nei Whare ki te whakamana, ki te tautoko i ng\u0101 iwi o Te Tau Ihu o Te Waka-a-M\u0101ui, me \u014D r\u0101tou hiahia kia whakaoti pai t\u0113nei kaupapa. Ka nui ng\u0101 mihi ki a koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[I stand in this House to empower and support the tribes of the Prow of Maui\u2019s Canoe, plus their wishes for this matter to be completed well. My acknowledgments to you collectively are huge.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EI consider that the bill should proceed without delay to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. I commend this bill to the House. T\u0113n\u0101 koe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u0022efb1efe46bf94c3090bd7ed28ba590f7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022efb1efe46bf94c3090bd7ed28ba590f7\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. K\u0101ti, tihei w\u0101 mauri ora ki te whaiao, ki te ao m\u0101rama. E Te Wai Pounamu, takoto, rapua te mea ngaro. Hoki ake nei ahau ki te r\u016B o Waitaha, he roimata t\u014Dku kai i te ao, i te p\u014D. E ng\u0101 iwi o Te Tau Ihu o Te Waka, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Rangit\u0101ne, Ng\u0101ti Apa, Ng\u0101ti Kuia, Te \u0100ti Awa, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua, Ng\u0101ti Tama, Ng\u0101ti K\u014Data, Ngati Toa Rangatira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Haere mai, haere mai, haere mai. N\u014D koutou t\u0113nei r\u0101, ko t\u0113nei te r\u0101 whakahirahira. Haere mai nunui m\u0101, teitei m\u0101, nau mai, piki mai ki Te Ana o te Raiona, ki te P\u0101remata i t\u016B ai a nunui m\u0101, a teitei m\u0101 ki te whakatutuki i ng\u0101 wawata \u014D r\u0101tou m\u0101. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou i ng\u0101 mate e hinga atu r\u0101, e hinga mai nei. E te rangatira Amohanga Stafford, haere, haere atu r\u0101. Moe mai i te ringaringa o Te Ariki. \u0100piti hono, t\u0101tai hono, ko te hunga mate ki te hunga mate. \u0100piti hono, t\u0101tai hono, t\u0101tou te hunga ora ki te hunga ora, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. Well then, to the world of light, life, and enlightenment, behold the breath of life. To you the South Island, lie there, seek that which is lost. Allow me to go back to the Canterbury earthquake, where tears consumed me day and night. To the tribes of the Prow of the Canoe, greetings to you collectively. To you Rangit\u0101ne, Ng\u0101ti Apa, Ng\u0101ti Kuia, Te \u0100ti Awa, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua, Ng\u0101ti Tama, Ng\u0101ti K\u014Data, and Ngati Toa Rangatira, welcome, welcome, welcome. This is your day, and a very significant one at that. Welcome the great and illustrious. Welcome and come aboard the Den of the Lion, the Parliament, where the great and the famous stood to fulfil the aspirations of those who have passed on. I acknowledge you, the deaths that have fallen there and here. Esteemed elder Amohanga Stafford, farewell, depart. Rest there in the arms of the Lord. The lines are joined; let the dead be among themselves. The lines are connected; let the living be among themselves, so greetings, salutations, and acknowledgments to you and to us all collectively.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EIt is a pleasure to speak in support of the Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill at its first reading. The northern portion of the South Island is known to M\u0101ori as Te Tau Ihu o Te Waka a M\u0101ui\u2014the prow of M\u0101ui\u2019s waka. It is an area steeped in European as well as M\u0101ori history. English explorer James Cook called into T\u014Dtaranui\u2014Queen Charlotte Sound\u2014seeking directions. One of the local chiefs took him up a hill and pointed out Raukawa Moana, and then the cheeky bugger went and renamed it Cook Strait. That was back in 1769. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EIn 1819 the war parties of Ng\u0101puhi of Northland and Ng\u0101ti Toa of K\u0101whia took part in Amiowhenua\u2014the encircling of the land. They split in two and went down both sides of the North Island. It was while raiding here in Te Whanga-nui-a-Tara that a Ng\u0101puhi chief pointed out a whaling ship to Te Rauparaha and told him of the advantages of being close to P\u0101keh\u0101. It was while on this journey that Te Rauparaha started to formulate a plan to bring his tribe, who were under pressure in K\u0101whia, down to the K\u0101piti coast. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EIn 1820 Ng\u0101ti Toa and their confederates, Ng\u0101ti K\u014Data and Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua, under extreme pressure from Waikato-Tainui were forced from their ancestral lands at K\u0101whia, Taharoa, Marokopa, Kiritehere, and Waikawau. These defeated tribes headed for north Taranaki to seek refuge with their relations Ng\u0101ti Tama and Ng\u0101ti Mutunga. That, in turn, put pressure on Ng\u0101ti Toa\u2019s hosts. After spending the season growing crops, Ng\u0101ti Toa, with K\u014Data, R\u0101rua, and now Ng\u0101ti Tama and Ng\u0101ti Mutunga, left to come down to K\u0101piti. From 1822 through to 1839 these tribes engaged with the original inhabitants and tribes in what became known as New Zealand\u2019s civil war. It was during this period that Te Tau Ihu became settled\u2014and I use that term relatively, as it was quite an unsettled settlement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EIn 1839 we had more P\u0101keh\u0101 interaction. This time the Wakefields and their New Zealand Company were in town, looking for land, and it is at this juncture in our history that things start to go wrong. The reason we are here today is that story of resettlement. It covers a period of 40 years of history, from 1820 to 1860. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E Roughly 20 years of northern M\u0101ori trying to settle a new land were followed by 20 years of P\u0101keh\u0101 doing the exact same thing. The problem for these two sides was that they were playing with different rules. This led to misunderstanding and eventually conflict\u2014cue the introduction at this time of the cleverest P\u0101keh\u0101 of all the P\u0101keh\u0101s who had come to the new colony of New Zealand up to that point: one George Grey. This man, who led the colony as both Governor-General and Premier, had a very big hand in why we are here today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThroughout these settlement readings the theme to all of my k\u014Drero has been that to understand M\u0101ori history is to understand whakapapa, and with today\u2019s bill I will declare my own interest in that whakapapa and history. Most will know of my Ng\u0101i Tahu connection, but that part of my whakapapa also includes the blood of the northern raiders of Te Tai Poutini, the Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua chief Niho and his confederates, Pikiwhara and Horomona and others who made their homes in Te Tau Ihu in places like Motueka, Golden Bay, P\u0101k\u0101wau, and West Whanganui Inlet, who decided to invade the West Coast. T\u016Bhuru, my Ng\u0101i Tahu ancestor, an ariki of Te Tai Poutini, made peace with Niho through the marriage of his daughter Nihorere in an effort to bring about peace for his hap\u016B. I am a direct descendant of that peace deal, that tatau pounamu, the jade door of peace\u2014something my wh\u0101nau hold precious. As the saying goes, grandchildren bring common sense to fighting grandfathers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThe bill before us covers the eight iwi of Te Tau Ihu and legislation for the Ka Mate haka. What this bill and other historical reports have shown is the way many families of the northern alliance missed out on a share of payments for having land sold from under them and the subsequent failure of the Crown to sort the problem out during inquiries of royal commissions. Grey\u2019s willingness to do deals with Te Rauparaha and Ng\u0101ti Toa went a long way to alienating wh\u0101nau and hap\u016B from Ng\u0101ti Tama, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua, and Ng\u0101ti Awa from payment for their lands at Tai Tapu and Pakawau, as well as being left out of the Nelson Tenths and the Motueka Tenths and the Wakat\u016B Incorporation and other such organisations that have come into being since the days of Grey. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EIn this bill there are stories of land being granted to the Crown for the purpose of educating M\u0101ori children of the time. In Nelson the Crown opened a school for a couple of years but it was soon closed and the land that was gifted went not back to the owner but was alienated from M\u0101ori by the Crown. The Ng\u0101ti Toa case of Whitireia Park is an even worse case of the Crown\u2019s broken promises. Ng\u0101ti Toa never got their college for M\u0101ori education; they lost the land completely. Petitions and inquiries were of no avail. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThen came the famous case of W\u012B P\u0101rata v Bishop of Wellington. W\u012B P\u0101rata was a chief of Ng\u0101ti Toa, a former member of this House and an MP for Western M\u0101ori. He retired from Parliament to take up the land cases that affected his iwi, namely Ng\u0101ti Awa and Ng\u0101ti Toa. This case was famous for those famous\u2014or infamous\u2014words uttered by Judge Prendergast: \u201CThe Treaty is a nullity.\u201D when summing up the Whitireia case that W\u012B P\u0101rata ultimately lost. That is the way P\u0101keh\u0101 New Zealand fought back in W\u012B P\u0101rata\u2019s day and even before. M\u0101ori had no rights and the Treaty meant nothing to P\u0101keh\u0101. The Church of England paid the price with some Ng\u0101ti Toa accepting Mormonism as their religion. The Crown saw this ruling as justification to ignore the principles of the Treaty. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EAnd so today, here we are on Thursday, 6 June, although in Parliament time we are actually still on Wednesday. But this day sees the Crown starting that process to say sorry and to reimburse these eight iwi as best as the Government can with what little resource is at its disposal. It is at this point that I take up my late colleague, friend, and chief, Parekura Horomia\u2019s plea for more money. I implore Minister Finlayson and his Office of Treaty Settlements, because without fail in every bill that came before this House, Parekura Horomia wanted just a little bit more for M\u0101ori. He had been a Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs at a time when Treaty negotiations were handled a bit more slowly, they were handled a bit differently from the way negotiations are handled today. But, be that as it may, he never failed in asking Minister Finlayson for a few million more, for a few more yards of earth, or a couple more trees. So I leave you with those words from beyond the veil. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E This bill and settlement is nearly 500 pages long. It covers eight iwi in the kaka kamate. I have touched on only a few subjects close to my whakapapa. In subsequent readings, I look forward to debating other parts of the bill that affect other iwi such as Ng\u0101ti Kuia, Ng\u0101ti Apa, Rangit\u0101ne, and Te \u0100tiawa. These people have a story to tell, and over subsequent readings their story and history will come out. Again may I acknowledge all representatives from ng\u0101 iwi o Te Tau Ihu who have travelled here today, and the teams of people, negotiators, past and present, from both sides, who have worked so hard to bring us to this historic day. Ka nui taku k\u014Drero i t\u0113nei w\u0101 n\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[That is enough from me for now, so acknowledgments and greetings to you and to us all.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u0022170df949a79c4460b7496f652bf8d652\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022170df949a79c4460b7496f652bf8d652\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E Rau rangatira m\u0101, t\u0113nei taku mihi atu ki a koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E[To the leaders of a hundredfold, this is my acknowledgment to you collectively. Welcome, welcome, welcome.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI am tempted to begin by saying \u201CAlleluia, the bill is finally before the House\u201D, but I do not want to sound like an evangelist preacher or like Mr Auchinvole from the West Coast, so I am going to confine my comments to saying I am absolutely delighted that the Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill is finally in here. It captures years and years of work on the part of all of those represented in the gallery today and their advisers, and the good work\u2014the great work\u2014of the Office of Treaty Settlements. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EAfter I became the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations at the end of 2008 I was told that the agreements in principle for these iwi were getting to a stage where they could be signed. Well, in February 2009 they were signed. Then I was told: \u201CWell, we should be able to get them through to deed of settlement and then to legislation reasonably quickly.\u201D It became something of a Homeric epic. The first deed of settlement was signed with Ng\u0101ti Kuia at Labour Weekend, as I recall it, then the Rangit\u0101ne o Wairau settlement was signed on a very important day, 4 December 2010\u2014and I am still grateful to Richard Bradley for the birthday cake\u2014and then the Ng\u0101ti Tama ki Te Tau Ihu deed was signed just a couple of weeks ago, to conclude the signing of all the deeds of settlement. In between those dates there has been a huge amount of work put in by all the people in the gallery to seeing that this legislation could be introduced today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThere are so many people I wish to acknowledge, and I think it is entirely appropriate that they be acknowledged in Hansard for their contributions. The two previous speakers, the Hon Dr Pita Sharples and Rino Tirikatene, have referred to what the legislation is about, and I will say a little bit more in a couple of minutes, but I just want to say this. Earlier in the week we signed a deed of settlement with Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. I said, and it was reported on television and in the papers, that if people doubt the validity of the exercise we are undertaking, they should read the facts\u2014read the historical facts. The historical facts for these iwi are set out in various parts of the legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EAs always happens, over the last few days I have had some unpleasant emails saying: \u201CWell, where are the facts?\u201D, \u201CThere is no basis for this claim\u201D, and \u201CT\u016Bhoe don\u2019t deserve things\u201D\u2014and, no doubt, I will get it after this legislation. But any fair-minded person who reads the facts of what happened at the top of the South Island will understand exactly why this legislation is necessary and why this historical process that we are working through is absolutely necessary for the future of our land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ESo I do want to stand here and acknowledge the iwi negotiators who have worked so very hard to get to this stage. As I said, the negotiations have been long. They have been very, very testing. There have been numerous stops and starts. It is only because of their commitment, the commitment of the negotiators, of the trustees, and of the iwi members, that we are here today. You have my sincere respect, and I salute all of you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EAs has been said, eight settlement bills are going to be enacted through this omnibus bill, so there are numerous acknowledgments. If I miss out anyone, then I apologise. The Ng\u0101ti Apa settlement would not have been possible without the dedication of the Ng\u0101ti Apa Ki Te Waipounamu Trust. Peter Mason, Brendon Wilson, and Paia R\u012Bwaka-Herbert are just a few of the people who represented Ng\u0101ti Apa over these years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E I particularly want to pay tribute to the late Kath H\u0113mi, a wonderful woman, a strong woman, who was instrumental in leading the charge in the tribunal, but, sadly, who is not with us today to witness this occasion. Taking the deed to her on the morning we signed the deed settlement, when she was in Wairau Hospital, so that she could sign it was a real honour. Te R\u016Bnanga o Ng\u0101ti Kuia charitable trust, through its wisdom and patience, has made a settlement possible for its iwi. Mark Moses, Ray Smith, and Waihaere Mason represented Ng\u0101ti Kuia throughout the settlement negotiations, and their commitment deserves mention today. Te R\u016Bnanga a Rangit\u0101ne o Wairau Inc. has made the Rangit\u0101ne settlement a reality through the hard work, dedication, and perseverance, of Judith MacDonald, the ever-optimistic Richard Bradley, and Jeffrey Hynes\u2014he wanted me to say that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe Ng\u0101ti Koata Trust, with its intelligence and commitment, has made the Ng\u0101ti K\u014Data settlement possible. Roma Hippolite, Allen McGregor Hippolite, and Jeanette Grace have proudly represented that great iwi and have to be recognised for their hard work. It is because of the dedication of the Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua-\u0100tiawa Iwi Trust and its efforts and determination that Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua have achieved this milestone. R\u014Dpata Stevens, Lee Luke, Barry Mason, and Molly Luke, whom I see in the gallery today, carried the Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua flag through the negotiations and have to be mentioned for their fantastic efforts. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe Ng\u0101ti Tama settlement would not have been possible without the zeal and perseverance, the hard work and commitment, of Robert McKewen, Fred Te Miha, and Jo Westrupp. Through the hard work and diligence of the Te \u0100tiawa Manawhenua ki Te Tau Ihu Trust, the Te \u0100tiawa settlement was made possible. I salute Harvey Ruru, Sharon Gemmell, and Glenis Payne, who have championed Te \u0100tiawa\u2019s interests. Te R\u016Bnanga o Toa Rangatira Inc., through Te Kaha, their negotiations team, have secured the Ng\u0101ti Toa settlement. I particularly acknowledge Matiu Rei this morning. He has fought the good fight for his iwi for well over a quarter of century. Tirat\u016B Williams, Iwikatea Nicholson, and Te Ariki Wineera Jr staunchly represented Ng\u0101ti Toa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EIt is appropriate\u2014I have mentioned Kath H\u0113mi\u2014to mention others who began this journey and are no longer with us: people like Chris Atutahi and Janice Manson. But, most important, I acknowledge those who suffered because of the acts or omissions of the Crown, and those tribunal claimants who have carried the burden of their t\u012Bpuna\u2019s claims. So thank you very much for all you have done. Thank you for your patience. There were many times when I said the bill was just around the corner, and for some of you it became one of the great litanies of the time, but we are here, and I acknowledge all of you for your tremendous work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThere are some other people I want to mention before I briefly traverse the bill. I want to acknowledge the Crown negotiators. Ross Philipson started it. Paul Swain, such a good fellow, helped with the negotiations. I also acknowledge the Parliamentary Counsel Office. It is increasingly, in my mind, the unsung hero of the legislative process. Without its dedication, this leviathan bill would not be able to be introduced, so to Bill Moore and his team, I say thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EIt is an omnibus bill. It brings together a number of settlements, as is well-known, and it will come out of the select committee as four bills. I particularly want to say something about Part 11, which will become the Haka Ka Mate Attribution Bill. That is a really interesting piece of legislation. As Dr Sharples said, a lot of work needed to be spent on that, because it is new territory. We have had Wai 262 and we have had the World Intellectual Property Organization looking at how we go about protecting traditional cultural expressions, and this is a very first step. The important thing is that that legislation contains a review clause, so that in 5 years\u2019 time we can have a further look at it in light of recent international developments. So I am very, very pleased that we have reached that stage and that we will be able to look at traditional cultural expressions such as the haka, and this is the first step. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E I always recall the day that we signed the agreement in principle in the Legislative Council Chamber. There was no headline in the paper dealing with the amount or the land or the history, but simply the headline \u201CAll Black Haka Goes to Maoris\u201D. I wondered about the Dominion Post then, and I wonder about it now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ESo, finally, I want to commend this bill to the House into the safe hands of that great New Zealander, Mr Tau Henare. I know that he is as keen as mustard to get on to this bill and to get it back to the House as quickly as possible, so that it can be legislated and so that the people of Te Tau Ihu can get on with building their p\u016Btea.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u00222e725dd18deb4b3694b7595f5c78c2c7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222e725dd18deb4b3694b7595f5c78c2c7\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour\u2014Hauraki-Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. E t\u0101piri ana aku mihi ki ng\u0101 iwi katoa o Te Tau Ihu o Te Waka-a-M\u0101ui. T\u0113nei, ka mihi atu ki a koutou katoa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora mai t\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. I add my acknowledgments to those accorded to all the tribes of the Prow of M\u0101ui\u2019s Canoe. I salute you all, greetings, greetings, and greetings to us.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIt gives me great pleasure to be able to stand and continue to support the Treaty settlements process in a way that will ensure the safe passage of this bill, the Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill, through the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and back into this House. I want to acknowledge our former colleague, Parekura Horomia. This will be the first time that a settlement bill has gone through without his purview over any part of it, and it is with some sense of sadness and, I guess, nostalgia that we will be having a less colourful debate on all parts of Treaty settlements without him here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge, actually, the former Te Tai Tonga members of Parliament. In the gestation of getting to this point, I am sure that their stewardship and support of the ambitions of the iwi within Te Tau Ihu helped get this bill a little bit further towards where it is today\u2014namely, Mahara Okeroa, Rahui Katene, and now Rino Tirikatene. It is a satisfying point in your own history, and certainly as a member of Parliament representing a rohe, when iwi are able to get their historical Treaty claims settled. We certainly understand more than many within this House that it is not only recognising the hurts of the past but restoring opportunity for the next generation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge all those who are not here and who have, sadly, passed away and who contributed in some small or great way to pulling this settlement together. We have got eight iwi sitting amongst us, and they will all know the names, and they will all feel that they are here today. I too want to acknowledge the contribution of those who are not with us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ESitting in Parliament and reflecting on how the Treaty settlement process has evolved over time, I have seen a fair few bills come through this House. It is with some regret that moving towards comprehensive claims and large natural groupings as a matter of pragmatism can in some part be the point of contention for many. But we have all moved on. Parliament has moved on in terms of improving the process. Iwi have seen, to some extent, the necessity of trying to ensure, without losing their sense of unique identity within a large natural grouping process in a comprehensive claim, that they can still get through the business. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ESo with that said, I note that members before me have pointed to the detail of the bill. The parliamentary process has evolved to the point where, I believe, all members in this House have understood the huge value New Zealand\u2019s history gains in rewriting and recording the historical record. We have learnt, through the select committee process, the briefings that we receive, and the submissions that we gain around the particular aspects of each settlement, what it really means. We can never underestimate the importance of that public education role of members in this House to be able to then go back to their own rohe and be able to combat a lot of criticisms that always come towards Treaty settlements, much in the same way that the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, Minister Finlayson, spoke about in terms of some of the negative narrative around the recent T\u016Bhoe settlement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ESo, in ensuring that this bill gets safe passage through the select committee process, I look forward to being able to understand the more unique aspects of each of the eight iwi and their requests within the context of their settlement. I look forward to understanding in more detail advice from officials, where they will maybe point out some of the more difficult aspects of trying to get to the point of agreement. I look forward to noting those things within the next debate, in the second reading of the bill in the House, so that people are mindful that there are still areas where we have to be ever-vigilant as parliamentarians and also, on the other side of the ledger, as iwi, to ensure that the main clause of every settlement bill\u2014that this \u201CAct binds the Crown\u201D\u2014is upheld over time. To be an enduring settlement, it is critically important that it is one that locks the relationship in to a longer view than just today, just tomorrow, but for the next generation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThe settlements that have been reached within the context of the bill I think foreshadow a new era of opportunity and change. As I said, the pillars of the settlement undertake to rewrite history, to correct history, and to restore a sense of natural justice to a history that was preserved within the context of each iwi but not well known within their wider community. I believe that the issues around statutory acknowledgments that are all contained in various aspects and ways for the eight iwi will ensure that when we walk this land people will see that there is a whole other sense of belonging that is affirmed to a whole other generation of New Zealanders. That will be a positive thing, certainly for our kids and certainly for their kids, and we would not get it without a settlement of this nature. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIn terms of the cultural redress, often in Treaty settlements all the detail hidden within the cultural redress can reveal some very unique and innovative things. So, again, I believe that some of the most powerful opportunities for new things like new recognition of rights have actually been contained within the cultural redress area. Commercial redress\u2014well, a bird cannot fly without feathers, without wings. The commercial redress will obviously be an opportunity for the iwi to have an economic base to be able to build from and to be able to grow from. But they go hand in hand. One does not go without the other. I know from reflecting on settlements within my own rohe that, more and more, another generation is trying to fuse together the cultural and the commercial redress in a way that holds integrity for the next generation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E The rights of first refusal can be a fairly technical part of the bill. I have just been looking through it at how it hinges together. I know from our own experience back home that there are fish hooks in it. You can bet that before the select committee I will certainly be putting my eye over that to ensure that the right scrutiny that you deserve as iwi, and the way in which this process is anticipated to work, do work in the way we want them to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIn terms of the Ka Mate attribution I again agree with the Minister. This is the attribution that will be a template at the front end of what the protection of intellectual property rights for M\u0101ori could start to look like. It will evolve over time, but we have started somewhere. I want to acknowledge the work that has gone in to this from Toa Rangatira around the attribution. Depending on whether you lived in K\u0101whia or came down on the heke, there are two parts to the story. Because I can whakapapa to it, I will tell the versions that I have heard. Those who stayed back in K\u0101whia said that Te Rauparaha was too big for his boots, and he got booted out. Those who went on the heke said that K\u0101whia was not big enough for them and they needed to move on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EBut really the here that I guess I wanted to connect to with my Toa Rangatira kinsmen was that there is a proud history of connection there, which in some small way is recognised through the heke, through Te Rauparaha, through the fact that Toa Rangatira has had footprints all the way down through the heke into Te Tau Ihu. Again, I want to ensure that from an intellectual property protection point of view we utilise this model of a template as an opportunity to see what more could be done in terms of the restoration of M\u0101ori knowledge and rights and intellectual property that could be furthered under the Wai 262 report.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E I will not take up too much more time except to say that in the second reading of this bill I expect to report back more substantially on the detail of some of the considerations of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. I want to acknowledge the huge step forward that together the iwi of Te Tau Ihu have taken to reach this point. I also want to acknowledge the huge amount of effort that all the technical advisers for the iwi, all the kaum\u0101tua, all the people, and all the negotiators put in to ensure that we can stand here today again reaffirming how proud we can be to live in a country that wants to try to set the record straight. Kia ora mai t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022 data-id=\u00221c176a8a9402431c8f545534353a2657\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221c176a8a9402431c8f545534353a2657\u0022\u003EDENISE ROCHE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 tangata whenua o Te Tau Ihu te r\u0101, ki Ng\u0101ti Apa ki Te R\u0101 T\u014D, Ng\u0101ti Kuia, Rangit\u0101ne o Wairau, Ng\u0101ti K\u014Data, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua, Ng\u0101ti Tama, Ng\u0101ti Tama ki Te Tau Ihu, Te \u0100tiawa o Te Waka-a-M\u0101ui, me Ngati Toa Rangatira. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. It is my privilege to rise to speak to this bill, Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill. It is a privilege to be a representative in this House when these settlements are being brought here to enshrine them in the history books and in the legislation of our country, Aotearoa New Zealand. Before I go much further I should declare my interests, like my colleagues have already, in that I whakapapa to Raukawa and claim connection to Ng\u0101ti Toa through Te Rauparaha\u2019s mother Parek\u014Dhatu. So those are my interests declared. But this is your day. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EIn bringing these settlements to the House I recognise and pay tribute to the many people over very many generations who have bravely fought for justice for their peoples, for their lands, and for their resources. It has been a long journey to gain recognition of the wrongs that were done, and for the Crown to attempt to address the wrongs and also apologise for its acts and omissions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EThe legislation as it appears in the bill states that this is a full and final settlement. The Greens\u2019 position has always been that although we will of course support this bill, we also believe it is not a full settlement. How can it fully compensate for the injustices heaped since 1839 upon the iwi represented here today in Te Tau Ihu rohe? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EWe do not agree that it is a final settlement, either. We know that even now the Crown may intrude on the rights of iwi, and we uphold the right of iwi to challenge the Crown when that happens and to seek further compensation. Furthermore, how can a settlement be final when the coming generations of these people may still suffer from the losses that have happened over the last 180 years or so? How can this be a full and final settlement when we know that this is a Crown-driven process\u2014that the Crown really determines who is recognised and who is not? This will come out more, I am sure, during the select committee process. That is not really so very different from the actions of the Crown in the early 1900s, when it allowed the division of land and placed ownership of collective land in individual hands. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EThis stance is not to undermine in any way the enormous amount of work that has gone into getting these settlements to this place. However, the Greens must state clearly that we maintain that this is a deal. It has come with much blood, sweat, and tears, and we must never underestimate its importance, and we certainly do not undervalue the worth of the Crown\u2019s apologies. I acknowledge the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, his staff, and the staff of the Office of Treaty Settlements and their work in delivering a full apology to the people of these iwi. Even so, this settlement is a deal. It is the best that could be negotiated at the time, and the settlement deeds themselves say that they could never possibly compensate for the full costs of the losses suffered. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EAs others have already mentioned, these settlements include financial and commercial redress. For Ng\u0101ti Tama ki Te Tau Ihu, for example, that amounts to just over $12 million, and other amounts for the other iwi. It frequently saddens me that many New Zealanders and, indeed, some parties in this House, see settlements as some kind of largesse from the Crown\u2014that somehow these settlements are undeserved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003E Sadly, a lot of people in New Zealand do not know our history. Most people in New Zealand do not visit the website of the Office of Treaty Settlements and read the historical accounts that have been painstakingly researched, and they are included in the deeds of settlement. The details, I have found, can be harrowing to read. They must have been far more harrowing to have lived through, as these iwi have. For those who gripe about the financial redress, they need to bear in mind that this Government bailed out a South Island finance company to the tune of $12 billion, and that finance company did not even lose the names of their places or their land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EThe impacts of the losses have been huge. This is an excerpt from the Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua\u2019s settlement about the socio-economic impacts and cultural loss: \u201CBy the late nineteenth century, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua had retained interests in the Nelson Tenths estate, including the occupied Tenths at Motueka, a handful of Mohua reserves and the Wairua district reserves. Most of these reserves were either too small or of poor quality for their owners to participate in the colonial economy \u2026 As settlers took up the land around the reserves, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua and other M\u0101ori owners were hemmed in, losing the option of grazing their stock on Crown wasteland and of accessing traditional food resources located outside of the reserves. This development and the inadequacy of the reserves often led to inter- and intra-iwi competition creating rifts within communities \u2026 In the late twentieth century the M\u0101ori population of Te Tau Ihu, including Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua, still registered poorly across a range of social and economic indicators, and the position of M\u0101ori culture and language was weak.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EThese settlements return some land to iwi, but will never return the land that was lost. They do provide for cultural redress, and some of that redress includes vesting lands and returning w\u0101hi tapu, overlaying classifications in some areas, the recognition of the particular cultural, spiritual, historical, and traditional association that iwi have with some significant areas, deeds of recognition of iwi in relation to areas of Department of Conservation - managed land, and the changing of some names to their original names and some unnamed areas being granted their original names. I note that some of the settlements also give important areas of land back to iwi, which they will keep for a week before handing back to the Crown for the enjoyment of all New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EI acknowledge that this is a day of celebration and that iwi wish to move into the future with hope and with their pride restored. I acknowledge the huge generosity of those iwi who are part of this settlement, because it benefits us all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EI will finish my speech by quoting one part of the apology in the settlement deeds. It says: \u201CThe Crown hopes this apology and settlement will mark the beginning of a renewed and enduring relationship \u2026 based on mutual trust, co-operation and respect for Te Tiriti o Waitangi / the Treaty of Waitangi and its principles.\u201D, and I guess that highlights the dishonour that the Crown did to itself. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222df33ee5-23d6-441c-a9ba-6495aa69f9fd\u0022\u003EIt is my sincere hope that as a country we will abide by the principles of Te Tiriti o Waitangi, and this bill is a huge step towards that. Congratulations. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022 data-id=\u00224cddc02acc6e4cedb6247dc866ece187\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224cddc02acc6e4cedb6247dc866ece187\u0022\u003EHon TAU HENARE (National):\u003C/span\u003E E aku rangatira, e aku kaum\u0101tua e \u014Dku kuia, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, \u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou i haere mai i t\u0113nei r\u0101 ki te whakarongo i ng\u0101 mema o te Whare P\u0101remata o Niu T\u012Breni n\u014D reira, nau mai, haere mai ki taku Whare. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E[To my leaders, elders, respected women elders, greetings, greetings, and greetings to you collectively. Acknowledgments to you who have come here today to listen to the members of the Parliament of New Zealand. Welcome, welcome to my House. So compliments, acknowledgments, and congratulations to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EMost of the speakers here have some relationship with Te Tau Ihu iwi. I too have a relationship with Te Tau Ihu. One of my flatmates was from there. She is a woman. As a Ng\u0101puhi, my job is to make sure that we do not get blamed for stuff that we did not do. But can I start by saying: another day, another dollar. When I picked up the bill I thought to myself: \u201CWoo hoo! What a good settlement.\u201D But then I realised that it was for eight iwi. Although I laud every Labour settlement and every National settlement\u2014and I emphasise \u201CNational settlement\u201D in a couple of ways\u2014I think our side has done an extremely good job of ploughing through the settlements. I also use the word \u201Cnational\u201D in terms of our country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003ESomething still tells me that we, the Crown, have gotten off reasonably lightly. But then I also think to myself, and I note, that of all the Commonwealth countries around the world, we actually lead the list in reconciliations, in a reconciliation process, so my hat does come off to the negotiators on the iwi side and on the Crown side. My hat does come off to the Minister and to all those people who play a role. And yes, there are legs on the old dog Paul Swain, whom as an Opposition member of Parliament I had a lot of time for, and still do. It is good to see that the skills that we learn here can be used by everyone when we do leave here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI was ploughing through the bill, looking for an apology from the Marlborough Express, but I could not find one. We sit down and do these settlements, and we can think that only last week a media organisation decided to use its editorial power\u2014because that is what it is, it is power\u2014to poke fun at this country\u2019s indigenous people. I want to say, and put it on the Hansard record of the House, that I find the actions of the Marlborough Express and also the Christchurch Press to be utterly disappointing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI want to name a few things and put them into this context: Wounded Knee, Cochise, Geronimo, Chief Joseph, the Trail of Tears, and Sitting Bull. Those are all names of places and people who have been memorialised, not only in the United States but also around the world. I wonder why we do not memorialise our own indigenous people. I wonder why we do not memorialise the areas of significance to this nation. There are areas of significance throughout all of our nation. I will not go into them, because that might condemn me to talking about my Ng\u0101puhi heritage too much, and I do not want to get into that area. But I do think that as part of the reconciliation process this has to be the first part. This has to be where we go in terms of reconciling our past. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI love the fact that my colleague and my friend the Hon Nanaia Mahuta said that it is not about rewriting history, but it is about correcting history and that concept of history that we, in our school years, in our formative years in the education system, did not learn about all of this. That is another part that I hope one day this country can bring itself to\u2014to memorialise and to educate our next generations about what actually happened to whom and by whom and the reason why we are all here. I think if we get to that space, that would be great. That is a promise from me as the chairperson of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EMake no mistake, these days are what I live for in this House. It is not about a taxation bill or an industrial relations bill or whatever. That is boring stuff, although they have to happen. This is what gets me going because it shows that our nation is a nation of leaders throughout the world on indigenous issues. We can pat ourselves on the back and we can say congratulations to each and every one of us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI agree with my colleague from the Greens that it is not enough. But just like anything, it will never be enough. The sentence for a crime that happens in our community will never ever be enough. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI want to promise as the chairperson of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee that we will visit every area affected in the bill. We will listen. We will have fun. We will have laughter. There will be tears of joy and tears of sadness. That is part of the reconciliation process. That is part of getting to know who our nation really is. Do not forget that our nation is only 160-odd years old, so we still have time to fix what is to come, and make this a truly\u2014truly\u2014bicultural nation. You cannot have a multicultural nation unless you go through the process of biculturalism. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI do want to end by saying a few words about the attribution of Ka Mate, not so much about Ka Mate itself, but what we are doing is hugely significant. Never forget that we did it first. New Zealand did it first\u2014again. We seem to lead the world in race relations, and we seem to lead the world in the treatment and the reconciliation process, so I am over the moon that that is actually a step right out of left field. I stood in the House as the Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs and put through the education amendment bill about kura kaupapa and Te Aho Matua, which was right out of left field. This, again, is something that I think our nation can be proud of, and laud to the world that this is the way to go in terms of reconciling our past with our present, which will become our future. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022 data-id=\u0022f81d86bda023424685f5ba38215ccbe1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f81d86bda023424685f5ba38215ccbe1\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Speaker. E ng\u0101 mana ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau o Te Tau Ihu o Te Waka-a-M\u0101ui. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. It is my pleasure to add my voice to the celebration of today, and to congratulate Te Tau Ihu and all the wh\u0101nau who have been involved in getting us to the point that we are at now. I also want to acknowledge the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations and his team, who have brought us to this place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EThere are two parts to this process. There is the part of us trying, as the Hon Tau Henare has said, to go through the truth and reconciliation of the history of Aotearoa New Zealand. What I want to highlight, as always, is the generosity from our hap\u016B and iwi, who are settling, as Denise Roche has said, for a lot less than what was taken from you. That spirit of generosity always has to be acknowledged because without it we would not be able to move on. For me, this process that we are in signifies us moving on, it signifies a maturing of our nation, and it also signifies a strength in M\u0101oridom. We will take some of our whenua back, we will take some p\u016Btea back, but we will also take, which I want to highlight, the opportunity for us to take some of our names back, and to have customary use of eels, which is in subpart 8 of Part 2 of the Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill. We will take back statutory kaitiaki and customary use of t\u012Bt\u012B. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EWhat I want to say about these developments is that in some ways they are constitutional recognitions. It is quite interesting that at the moment we are having this constitutional dialogue and certain things are off the table, but, in fact, what these Treaty settlements are doing is recognising hap\u016B and iwi as first sovereigns of Aotearoa, because you will participate in processes and on boards in partnership with the Crown. I actually think that the most significant aspect of these Treaty settlements is that you are being recognised as hap\u016B and iwi specifically for your kaitiakitanga, your guardianship, your right to be involved in these processes forevermore. So that, for me, is the major significance of these settlement bills. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI also wanted to say that this signifies the crossing of a halfway point in terms of the Treaty settlement process. I saw some information earlier in the week that said that we have had 62 settlements, totalling $1.4 billion. So the fiscal cap that was rolled out in the 1990s, trying to limit this truth and reconciliation process, is well and truly over. I want to acknowledge the fact that we have not been constrained financially in terms of that redress. We have got about another 60 to go. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI also wanted to specifically highlight \u201CKa Mate! Ka Mate!\u201D and thank you on behalf of New Zealanders\u2014and thank you on behalf of M\u0101oridom, actually\u2014for the use of \u201CKa Mate! Ka Mate!\u201D. I cannot wait to go to the rugby on Saturday night. I am going to go and watch the All Blacks beat France, but what I will also enjoy is the fact that \u201CKa Mate! Ka Mate!\u201D will start that match. I think that that significance can never be underestimated. I know that Ng\u0101ti Toa Rangatira have been fighting since 1998 to trademark the haka, and what this legislation does is essentially cut out that legal fight and recognise for ever that Te Rauparaha was the composer and Ng\u0101ti Toa for ever are the legal owners of \u201CKa Mate! Ka Mate!\u201D. I think that is hugely significant, and I think it is hugely significant that there is a 5-year review clause in this legislation, because who knows what will happen in the future? So there will always be, through this bill, protection of your ownership in some ways of \u201CKa Mate! Ka Mate!\u201D, or a recognition that it originated from your t\u016Bpuna. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI do not want to hold up the settlement process today. I am no longer on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. One of the things that I have loved about being in this House is having the honour of hearing the submissions from wh\u0101nau and visiting all the areas that Tau has talked about. It is an incredibly humbling experience to share this day with all of you. I hope that you take some sense of satisfaction from it. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022 data-id=\u0022a4a210e2df4f4e5cb87bd9791f849641\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a4a210e2df4f4e5cb87bd9791f849641\u0022\u003ECOLIN KING (National\u2014Kaik\u014Dura):\u003C/span\u003E It is, indeed, a pleasure to take a call in the later stages of the first reading of Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill, and I want to thank the other members who have curtailed their speeches to give me this opportunity to speak as the member for Kaik\u014Dura, which includes the Marlborough Sounds and Marlborough. It is indeed a pleasure to stand in the House before those people whom I have called friends\u2014and I have enjoyed their wisdom and direction and guidance as I have been in that role as a member of Parliament\u2014and to talk on this first reading. I recognise the wisdom of the other speakers and the size of the bill, which the chairman of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee alluded to. There is a lot of work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003EI just want to talk principally about the Kurahaup\u014D grouping and what they have achieved. We were here in 2009 with the signing in principle. We had those occasions out at the maraes in Marlborough, where we signed the deeds of settlement, and, of course, the way that time moves on is quite remarkable. But what I want to put on record is the already tremendous contribution that Ng\u0101ti Kuia, Ng\u0101ti Apa, and Rangit\u0101ne are contributing in the way forward in that region. I just see that, although this legislation is to work with the Crown, it is, in actual fact, supporting and reinforcing the mana and the opportunity of that grouping of iwi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003ESo just to put on record, Kath H\u0113mi, that tremendous woman who never failed to back off from the way forward in ensuring that there was redress, and also Laurie Duckworth, a tremendous man working in the background there to ensure that everything was kosher and that those iwi remained healthy. Of course, today, with the leaders Richard Bradley and Judith MacDonald, along with the Smiths, the Masons, the MacDonalds, the Hyneses\u2014and I also want to put on record the support that the Hon Doug Kidd had for the marae at \u014Cmaka. So much has to come out, and will do so, during the process at the select committee, and I look forward to the time that we get back in the House here for the second reading. Kia kaha. What a wonderful occasion, and I want to see more smiles on the faces of the people in the gallery. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022 data-id=\u0022bfb6c4c578d5432280ddf3c34a0d369d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bfb6c4c578d5432280ddf3c34a0d369d\u0022\u003EBRENDAN HORAN (Independent):\u003C/span\u003E Ka tangi te t\u012Bt\u012B, ka tangi te k\u0101k\u0101, ka tangi hoki ahau, tihei mauri ora. E ng\u0101 iwi, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 m\u0101t\u0101waka, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. E rau rangatira m\u0101, ka mihi ake i runga i te karanga o te r\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E[The muttonbird calls, the parrot calls, and I call too, behold the breath of life. To the tribes, languages, authorities, and ethnic groups, salutations, greetings, and acknowledgments to us and to you all. To the leaders of a hundredfold, I commend you on the call of the day. Well done, and congratulations once again to you all.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E As my esteemed colleague Nanaia Mahuta said before, I would like to acknowledge that although Parekura is not here in person, he is very much here in spirit, and how sad it is that he is not here today to weave his special magic. But, as I said, I am sure he will weave that magic in spirit. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EI would like to acknowledge the many, many people who have worked so hard. It has taken many, many years and much hard work, so I acknowledge all of those who have worked hard to get us to this stage. There is only a short way to go, but it is very, very important that it is not rushed. I should say I look forward, along with my fellow members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, to looking at the submissions on the Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill and working out the small details, because the devil is always in the detail. It is very, very, very important that these final stages are looked at under a microscope so that we have something that all New Zealanders can be proud of, and so that it unites not only the eight iwi involved but all of New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EI would like to also say that Minister Finlayson has done magnificent work, and I would like also to highlight some of the words that he spoke. It is so lovely to have a Minister who when he gives an apology you can tell that he means it. The other day when we were there for Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, Minister, that was such a magnificent day and a magnificent apology, and it is a shame that some members of the media chose to denigrate it in some way. Our Minister Finlayson spoke of the great courage of M\u0101ori and of their generosity and compromise. We see that in every settlement\u2014the compromise that M\u0101ori have made. It is a tribute to all M\u0101ori in New Zealand how we can look at something and go: \u201COK, we are going to do the best we can here. We are going to reach settlement, and we are going to move on.\u201D So I would like to honour all of the iwi involved and the negotiators for the hard work that has been done but also, again, the hard work that is still to come. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EThe Minister said that this is an omnibus bill\u2014and it is\u2014and, as alluded to again by my esteemed colleague Nanaia, there is also a uniqueness here. It is lovely to see the uniqueness of each iwi preserved within this settlement. Then we come to something that I would like everybody to consider, and that is the importance of lasting education. We must educate New Zealanders about these settlements, what has happened before, the courage, the strength, the tragedy, the pride, the loss, and the devastation, and, therefore, through all that, through the recognition of that, through the education, that continuing education, we will have true healing in New Zealand. Let the pounamu work and weave its healing magic. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EI would also say that it is fitting that our haka\u2019s origin, home, and guardianship are recognised. And as \u201CKa Mate! Ka Mate!\u201D has presented a synergy and united all New Zealanders for many years on battlefields, in sport, and for New Zealanders who are overseas feeling lonely, I think that it is very fitting that \u201CKa Mate! Ka Mate!\u201D can unite all New Zealanders with the settlement of this bill. I look forward to seeing the bill in the select committee. Good luck. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022 data-id=\u00223ba2ae2cf0384d8e853c8240f9e02fd4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223ba2ae2cf0384d8e853c8240f9e02fd4\u0022\u003ESTEFFAN BROWNING (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Deputy Speaker. E ng\u0101 tangata whenua o Te Tau Ihu, kia ora. Ng\u0101ti Apa ki te R\u0101 T\u014D, Ng\u0101ti Kuia, Rangit\u0101ne o Wairau, Ng\u0101ti K\u014Data, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua, Ng\u0101ti Tama ki Te Tau Ihu, Te \u0100tiawa o Te Waka-a-M\u0101ui, Ngati Toa Rangatira. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. To the home people of Te Tau Ihu, hello there. To Ngati Apa of R\u0101 T\u014D, Ng\u0101ti Kuia and Rangit\u0101ne of Wairau, to Ng\u0101ti K\u014Data, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101rua and Ng\u0101ti Tama of the Tau Ihu, to Te \u0100tiawa of the South Island, and to Ngati Toa Rangatira, salutations, acknowledgments, and greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EI feel privileged to be a representative here today while this settlement bill is introduced. Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill is a bill that reflects some redress\u2014just some redress\u2014for the tangata whenua of the rohe of my childhood and much of my adult life, with Pelorus, \u014Cpawa Kaituna, and Wairau being the awa of my rohe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EI would like to acknowledge those who have passed on. There are far too many whom I have known, enjoyed the company of, and respected, and just some of the families were the Staffords and the Walkers. I remember Kath Hemi, and there are others.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EI like it that the bill recognises Rangit\u0101ne\u2019s historical association in the Endeavour Inlet, just over the hill but on the slopes of the same maunga, Aorere\u2014Mount Stokes\u2014my maunga, where I lived in Anakoha Bay for 6 years. Thanks to Uncle Peter\u2014Peter Waaka of Ng\u0101ti Kuia. At 300 metres high on the slopes of Aorere, I looked out at T\u012BT\u012B Island and the Chetwode Islands, and again their association to Ng\u0101ti Kuia and Rangit\u0101ne is given recognition in this tome of a bill. I looked further out, of course, to Takapourewa\u2014Stephens Island\u2014and I think it has been part of previous settlements. I note the number of other islands and places that are given historical recognition at this point too for Te \u0100tiawa, Ng\u0101ti Apa, and others. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EI recall during my childhood in Blenheim being at school and hearing the stories of the archaeologists at the Wairau boulder bank\u2014the Wairau Bar. It was the place I used to bike out to, to look at lizards and katipo spiders. Those stories enthralled us, but what we were not getting when we were there was the real history. What we were not getting was the substance of mana whenua, which this bill, at last, acknowledges. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EThis bill acknowledges the mana whenua of other friends and of many, of course, whom I do not know. It is essential that we have the Crown apology. I acknowledge the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations and those who have dealt with this bill, and the fact that there is the apology as part of the settlement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EAs my colleague Denise Roche has said, this is a deal; it is not really a settlement. But it is some redress as we go along. Some hap\u016B may not feel that this is for them, and some\u2014and I am thinking of my good friend at Kaituna\u2014may have some variation\u2014[Interruption] Ah ha, Rangit\u0101ne behind me. My friend has been probably the best educator for me about the history of what has happened through this area that has been covered. It has been fantastic\u2014far too late at night many a time, through to the small hours, through to the daylight hours even. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EI look forward to this bill progressing through the House. I am pleased to be in a party that has an overlay of Te Tiriti o Waitangi before its other principles of stewardship and social justice, as we do in the Green Party. I look forward to this bill progressing. This is a great day of celebration. I am really, really pleased to see you all here and to be part of it. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022 data-id=\u0022f920897b3d63492e9e6b0e5677272e6f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f920897b3d63492e9e6b0e5677272e6f\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG (National\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E I am very pleased to stand here, perhaps as the last speaker, in this first reading of the Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill. To the iwi of Te Tau Ihu, kia ora, greetings. Welcome to this House, which is our House and your House. I would like to acknowledge you here today. I would like to acknowledge the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, the Hon Christopher Finlayson, who, I believe, has been a great leader in the processes of bringing settlement to the different iwi of Aotearoa New Zealand. I think that we can be very pleased and even proud to say that in these last two parliaments we have seen great progress being made, and all on important issues, which are very important not only to you but to the people of New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003ESo I acknowledge you today; you who have carried remembrance of the past and also carry a vision for the future, you who stand at this gateway with this legislation about to go to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. This is legislation that will in some way redress the past but will also release your future\u2014a future that I believe will be great, a future that is full of promise. I am a member of that select committee, and I am very pleased to serve on it under the leadership of the Hon Tau Henare. I acknowledge also the work of the Office of Treaty Settlements and the great work that it has done in this process. Kia ora. May it go well. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022 data-id=\u0022cc2e2b9f1046454aa4f55480a3164326\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cc2e2b9f1046454aa4f55480a3164326\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The debate now having concluded, I think, for the purposes of explanation to the wh\u0101nau in the gallery, I will outline the process. We will vote on the Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill. That will be one motion. Presuming that the bill passes, we will then vote to deal with the bill, which is to send it to a select committee. That is the second motion. If the wh\u0101nau in the gallery wish to respond with a waiata, that would be the time, and I will indicate that. Then, because we are moving on to other business, it would be helpful, if the bill for which you are present here is finished, that you make room for the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua people. So, as efficiently as possible, you might like to move from the gallery at that point, after the waiata, to make room for the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003EBill read a first time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003EBill referred to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002289a73bc6c91046fbbca507aded525962\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b7f18f1a1df0441980484fc2123e3965\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022 data-id=\u00220c67231304a248539244e06b0c28af29\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220c67231304a248539244e06b0c28af29\u0022\u003EHon Dr PITA SHARPLES (Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs) \u003C/span\u003Eon behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: I move, That the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara Claims Settlement Bill be now read a third time. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou. He r\u0101 nui t\u0113nei m\u014D t\u0101tou katoa ng\u0101 M\u0101ori katoa o Aotearoa n\u0101 reira, koutou Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua ki Kaipara, nau mai, whakapiri mai. T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Doc. T\u014D kaha ki te haramai i t\u0113nei rangi, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, h\u0101, ng\u0101 mihi nui ki a koe. Naida, koutou katoa i tae mai nei i t\u0113nei r\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EKo \u0113tahi k\u0101re i konei\u2014haere. Kua hinga r\u0101tou, kua tukuna atu, n\u0101 reira, kei te mihi tonu ki a r\u0101tou ng\u0101 mate kua p\u0101 ki a t\u0101tou i \u0113nei rangi, i \u0113nei tau kua pahure ake, \u0101, kei roto i \u014D t\u0101tou whakaaro i ng\u0101 w\u0101 katoa. N\u0101 reira, ko Parekura t\u0113tahi, \u0101, i h\u012Bkoi i waenganui i a koutou, \u0101, kua tukuna atu ki Te Kaihanga i te rangi. An\u0101, kua hinga mai t\u0113tahi o Tainui i t\u0113nei r\u0101, ar\u0101, ko te tama, t\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 tamariki a Tom Moana, \u0101 te ahiahi nei ka haere t\u014Dna t\u016Bp\u0101paku ki Horahora Marae i roto o Tainui. N\u0101 reira, ng\u0101 mihi, ng\u0101 tangi ki a r\u0101tou kua ngaro atu. Haere koutou, okioki pai mai. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u0112ngari, ki a koutou kua tae mai, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua ki\u2014[Interruption]\u2014Kaipara wh\u0101nui, hari koa taku ng\u0101kau. Kia ora, Naida. Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara, ng\u0101 tamariki mokopuna o Haranui, R\u0113weti, Kakanui, ar\u0101, Araparera, \u0101, me Puatahi marae, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. He nunui ng\u0101 mihi ki a koutou i t\u0113nei rangi kua hara mai nei mai i Te Hiku o t\u014D t\u0101tou Ika-a-M\u0101ui.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[Greetings to you collectively. This is a great day for all of us M\u0101ori of New Zealand, so to you of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua of Kaipara, welcome, draw closer. Hello there, Doc. I admire your strength to come here today. Well done and a huge welcome to you indeed, to you too, Naida, and all of you who have come here today, acknowledgments, greetings, and congratulations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThere are some who are not here\u2014farewell. They have passed away and have been released but we continue to acknowledge them, the deaths that touched us recently and in years past. They are in our thoughts at all times. Parekura is one of them. He walked amongst you. He has been given up to the Creator in heaven. Now another has fallen in Tainui just today. He is one of Tom Moana\u2019s children, the son whose body will be taken to Horahora Marae in Tainui this afternoon. So tributes and laments to them who are lost from us. Depart and rest well there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EBut to you collectively who have arrived here, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua of\u2014[Interruption]\u2014Kaipara at large, I am elated. Thank you, Naida. Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua of Kaipara, the children and grandchildren of Haranui, R\u0113weti, Kakanui, and, indeed, Araparera and Puatahi courtyard, salutations and greetings to you all. My tributes to you collectively who came here today from the Tail of our Maui\u2019s Fish are enormous.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EI would like to acknowledge all those who made claims on behalf of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara and began this journey. I would also like to pause to remember and pay tribute to those who began the journey but are no longer with us, in particular te rangatira Sir Hugh K\u0101wharu, \u0101, me \u0113r\u0101 atu, me \u0113r\u0101 atu [and so on]. Moe mai koutou ng\u0101 rangatira, moe mai r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[Rest there, esteemed ones. Sleep on.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EWe are here today to complete our consideration of a bill to resolve an injustice that began 169 years ago. It has been a long and arduous journey to get to this point. This bill settles the Treaty claims of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara by giving effect to the deed of settlement that Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara have negotiated with the Crown. This bill includes the Crown\u2019s acknowledgment that it breached the Treaty of Waitangi, and it apologises for those breaches and their consequences. This bill also provides for cultural, financial, and commercial redress in compensation for these breaches. He h\u014Dnore m\u0101ku ki te p\u0101nuihia \u0113nei kaupapa n\u0101 te mea n\u0101 Minister Finlayson t\u0113nei pire \u0113ngari, kua homai t\u0113nei h\u014Dnore ki a au n\u0101 te mea, kai te noho tahi t\u0101tou i T\u0101maki\u2014t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[It is an honour indeed for me to present these matters because this bill actually belongs to the Minister Christopher Finlayson. But he gave this privilege to me because we live together in Auckland\u2014greetings to you collectively.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EIn 1992 Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara\u2019s claim Wai 312 was lodged with the Waitangi Tribunal, with hearings from 1999 through to 2001. Negotiations began in 2002, but little progress was made until serious discussions began in 2008 with Sir Michael Cullen. He was then the Minister in charge of Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations. It was not until December 2009 that an agreement in principle was signed. Then, finally, in September 2011 Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara signed their deed of settlement. So 21 years later we mark a significant milestone for Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara as I move the third and final reading of their settlement bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThis bill will settle the grievances arising from the Crown\u2019s persuasive and unrelenting land-buying policies that began with the purchase of large tracts of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara land bordering on the upper Waitemat\u0101 in 1844. The Native Land Court exacerbated land loss by individualising titles, so that by 1900, and within a single generation, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua had lost 90 percent of their lands in southern Kaipara. The 10 percent of land left for Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara was fragmented, uneconomic, and hard to live off. This land loss also meant that the right of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara to uphold their own mana motuhake, to exercise their own rangatiratanga, was denied. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EBut the people of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara survived, and although it has been a long journey, they are here in this House today, pumping, seeking justice, and taking ownership of their own destiny. Some also are here in spirit. An injustice that began in 1844 with the Crown takeover of vast tracts of lands in the upper Waitemat\u0101 will soon be addressed by this Parliament, the people of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, and the people of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara. All those things the families of Haranui, R\u0113weti, Kakanui, Araparera, and Puatahi have lost due to the actions of the Crown can never be totally restored, and yet today Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara seek to settle their grievances with the Crown. We need to recognise that. In coming to this agreement to resolve past grievances, we honour all of our ancestors. Importantly, we also honour our descendants and we plan for the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EI stand to acknowledge Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara, whose tenacity and leadership will soon see settlement for the hap\u016B and marae of southern Kaipara. I commend the trustees of the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara Claims Committee and the trustees of Ng\u0101 Maunga Whakahii o Kaipara Development Trust for their passion and commitment. They have shown incredible leadership by working alongside other iwi and hap\u016B of Kaipara, T\u0101maki-makau-rau, and Hauraki. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe support of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara people for the settlement negotiated on their behalf is clear. Two ratification processes held in August 2010 and August 2011 returned approval rates of 96 percent and 92 percent respectively\u2014amazing. The Treaty settlement journey for Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara has taken over 21 years, and although it is not possible to provide full restitution to Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara for the losses suffered, the settlement redress provided for in this bill seeks to recognise the seriousness of their grievances and build a positive foundation for the future generations of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe Hon Tau Henare made the point in the last settlement speech that perhaps New Zealand leads the world in terms of actually trying to do something to reconcile with its indigenous people. We looked at what is happening in America and other places\u2014there are still signs up saying that Sitting Bull was a treacherous Indian, and things like that. We have moved forward, and it is really good to see. It is not just a mere apology; at least there is some real effort to embrace what happened in the past, own it, and make some sort of recompense for that. So we are really happy to be part of this process today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe legislation before us is much more than a new law; it is a history of a people and it is the future of a people. What was taken from these families can never be replaced\u201490 percent of the ancestral lands can never be replaced\u2014and yet here they are, willing to settle with the Crown. I acknowledge the sacrifice, pain, and injustice. I thank Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara for their leadership, generosity, and mana, without which we would not be here today. I believe this settlement will support the healing of the relationship between Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara and the Crown, and I hope that the apology, which forms part of the settlement, will also assist with the healing. Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara acknowledges that the Crown\u2019s apology represents its commitment to build a positive relationship with them and to honour its obligation under the Treaty for the good of this and future generations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThis bill acknowledges Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara\u2019s relationship with their whenua. As part of this acknowledgment, nine reserves and conservation sites of significance will be transferred to Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara as cultural redress. These sites include Atuanui Scenic Reserve, Mairetahi Landing, Mauiniu Island, Moturemu Island, T\u012Bpare, Makarau, Makarau Bridge Reserve, Parakai, and Ten Acre Block Recreation Reserve. This settlement will be a key step in allowing the iwi to move forward economically and culturally. The $22.1 million plus interest through their settlement and financial redress, including the transfer of Woodhill Forest, will provide Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara with an ability to focus on and develop their future. I am very proud to stand and support this bill. Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u00227e46bfc61ef748a1a2b41f57e63775bf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227e46bfc61ef748a1a2b41f57e63775bf\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. Ng\u0101 whakamoemiti ki a Ihowa o ng\u0101 mano, matua, tama, wairua tapu, he whakah\u014Dnore ki ng\u0101 anahera pono, ko te m\u0101ngai an\u014D hei tautoko mai aianei \u0101ke nei, \u0101e. E te tini, e te t\u0101 o ng\u0101 maunga whakah\u012B o Kaipara, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Nau mai, haere mai ki te Whare P\u0101remata e takat\u016B nei. Nau mai ki \u201CTe Ana o te Raiona\u201D. Ka nui te harikoa o te ng\u0101kau kua hara mai t\u0101tou i t\u0113nei w\u0101. N\u014D koutou t\u0113nei r\u0101. Ko t\u0113nei te r\u0101 whakahirahira, harihari koa te ng\u0101kau. E aku rangatira, e te \u0101p\u014Dtoro, e Doc, ka nui te mihi ki a koe. Ki a koutou e te wh\u0101nau, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[Praise to Jehovah of the multitudes, father, son, and the holy spirit. Honour the faithful angels. The spokesperson will support once again now and for ever, yes. To the many and the elite from the illustrious mountains of Kaipara, greetings and salutations to you collectively. Welcome, come hither to Parliament standing here in readiness. Come hither to the \u201CDen of the Lion\u201D. I am full of joy that we have come here at this stage. This is your day. This is an outstanding day and the heart is rejoicing. To my esteemed elders and to the apostle, Doc, I am full of admiration, and to you the family, salutations, greetings, and congratulations to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThis is a very historic day today, and I am so delighted to be able to speak at the final reading of the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara Claims Settlement Bill. This is such a historic day. I think I might adopt the tone of our Minita over there, Pita Sharples. We do not need to go through all the formalities. I know that I would like to acknowledge the history and the whakapapa and the significant achievements of the rangatira of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara\u2014I have spoken a lot about that in my earlier speeches\u2014but today is a day for celebration. It is a day to acknowledge the journey that has been taken, and all of the great leaders and people who have taken Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara on this historic journey, right up to today, and the passage and the final passing of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EJust like our Minister here, I would like to do a roll-call of all the marae of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara: Puatahi, Arap\u0101rera, Kakanui, Haranui, and R\u0113weti. Welcome to them all. It is just wonderful to have you all here. I know you might have\u2014excuse me, Mr Deputy Speaker. I am sorry; I am straying off the protocol. But it is wonderful to be here and to see you here, kanohi ki te kanohi, all of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ECan I particularly acknowledge the claims committee and all those wonderful kaum\u0101tua who have awhi-ed and tautoko-ed this very big passage of the bill and the mahi and the claims to this point. In particular, I would like to acknowledge Takutai Moana Wikiriwhi, whom I see up there in the gallery\u2014\u0100p\u014Dtoro Doc Wikiriwhi, as I know him. It is so wonderful to see him here. I remember as a young lad, playing my cornet for the Reo from P\u014Dneke, when we used to travel up to Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei. Uncle Doc is the hardest-working \u0101p\u014Dtoro throughout the whole of T\u0101maki. We went on many a tour of duty through the hospitals, seeing rangatahi, to the prisons, and through a lot of the duties that we were doing, I was at his side, playing my horn for all of our ceremonial whakamoemiti h\u012Bmene. So it is wonderful to see him here today on this celebratory day. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ECan I also acknowledge Naida\u2014Naida Glavish, whom I see up there. T\u0113n\u0101 koe, e te wh\u0101ea rangatira [the matriarch figure]. It was wonderful to see her just a couple of weeks ago down at Takahanga Marae, in Kaik\u014Dura, celebrating my cousin Mark\u2014T\u0101 Mark, sorry\u2014T\u0101 Mark Solomon\u2019s investiture. It was wonderful to see her there. Can I also acknowledge all of the other trustees\u2014Gloria T\u012Bmoti, Haahi Walker, and Waata Richards\u2014who have so amazingly led Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua through the passage of this settlement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E I do want to take a moment because this is such a historic day, and I do want to acknowledge the influential rangatira chief of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara, Paora T\u016Bhaere. I have spoken of him before, and I want to take this opportunity to speak of him again because he was the paramount leader of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara when his uncle Apihai Te Kawau passed on. But I do acknowledge Paora T\u016Bhaere because I would not be here in this Parliament had it not been for him, because he suggested\u2014it was his idea\u2014that we have M\u0101ori seats in Parliament. But it was not just four M\u0101ori seats at that time; it was that if there were 50 seats for P\u0101keh\u0101, there would be 50 for M\u0101ori. So I acknowledge his great foresight and his great leadership that we are still here today some 160-odd years later, representing our M\u0101ori electorates. There are a few more of us now. There are seven of us. I would like to encourage our wh\u0101nau to really get involved and get on to that option. Use the option to get on the M\u0101ori roll so we might be able to get more seats. I know through the reports yesterday that it was not looking that promising with the numbers, but I have trust in our wh\u0101nau that they will do the right thing and get on the M\u0101ori roll. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI do acknowledge Paora T\u016Bhaere, and I also do acknowledge the history of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara, because Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara were very loyal to the Crown\u2014very loyal to the Crown. Not one shot was fired in anger at the Crown. They were so loyal to the Crown that the Crown robbed them of their land. There was no way that P\u0101keh\u0101 New Zealand was going to let Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara share in the growth of Auckland. I have mentioned that in my previous speeches, but I do want to put it down there on the record. You would not get an iwi that was more loyal, more supportive, or so enthused about the future promise that Auckland offered than Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara. And they were so let down. The Crown, as we know, failed in so many ways to protect Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara, as it has done to all iwi, as we have heard earlier this week with Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe in the signing of their deed of settlement, and as we have spoken about earlier today with my relations from ng\u0101 iwi o Te Tau Ihu o te Waka. The Crown has failed in so many ways.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E Like other tribes, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara gave up land for the building of railways, towns, and schools. When this land was not used for its purpose, the land was alienated and never returned to the original owners. That was standard modus operandi of the Crown. It is great that after the passage of time and through the Treaty settlements\u2014which I am proud that we have been a part of when we have been in Government, and also I acknowledge the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, Chris Finlayson, for his work while being in Government\u2014we have seen progress happening over the last 20-plus years in terms of Treaty settlements. We see the redress and the statutory recognition of sites and financial redress, which are now going to flow through to Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, through this settlement. But I want to stress that perhaps you can have the financial packages and the commercial redress and the like, but what is the most important aspect of these settlements, and every iwi will agree, is that it reaffirms the presence of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara, the permanence that they have to their community, to their whenua, and to their ancestral landscape. That is very important and I am pleased that measures are being taken in this Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara Claims Settlement Bill to do that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EFinally, can I just acknowledge the Hon Parekura Horomia because Parekura Horomia and I, we spoke at the second reading of this bill. It was the last time that he spoke in this House, and I just acknowledge that. I am pleased to be able to step up here now and mihi to you all, and I do acknowledge our chief Parekura Horomia. Just to conclude, I would also like to give an apology from Shane Jones. He tried very hard to be here today for Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara. Unfortunately, he is a bit m\u0101uiui today, but he promises to apologise to you. I understand he is going to apologise with crayfish at the h\u0101kari. I will leave you to follow that up with him. Ka kitea taku k\u014Drero i t\u0113nei w\u0101. Ki a koutou Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[I have found what I wanted to say now. To you, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua of Kaipara, greetings, salutations, and congratulations to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u00229ffa3b7c7c4f430db06b808fb984db28\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229ffa3b7c7c4f430db06b808fb984db28\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E Shane always makes those promises. I am really pleased to be here today. I want to begin by offering an explanation to those in the gallery, because when Dr Sharples stood up to speak I shot out the door. It is not because I do not like listening to Dr Sharples or working with him\u2014he is a fantastic Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs, and I work with him very closely as his Associate Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs\u2014it is just that I am responsible for the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara Claims Settlement Bill, and for some peculiar reason I am not allowed to be here if someone else is giving the first speech. Let it be clear that I have the greatest of respect for Dr Sharples, who has worked with me very closely on this settlement, but the rules are the rules, and if I disobeyed them the Speaker would scold me. Anyway, it is a great day today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EAs I said in a speech that I gave at the signing of the Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe deed of settlement, it is not the end, because this is not a deal. This is a very sacred settlement, but it is the beginning of a new relationship. There are going to be ups and downs, there are going to be irritations, but the Crown and Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara have committed to work together to address those difficulties going into the future. It is a great day for Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua generally, because with this third reading we now have concluded settlements with Te Uri o Hau and Te R\u014Droa, last year we had Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei, and, of course, today we have Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe acknowledgments have been given, and it would be repetitious to go through all the names again, but I particularly want to acknowledge Margaret K\u0101wharu for all her wonderful work. I see that great leader of Te R\u016Bnanga o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, Naida Glavish, in the gallery. She does so much for this country. She is on the New Zealand Historic Places Trust. I look her in the eye and I say: \u201CI know we have unfinished business. We have the harbour.\u201D She said to me some years ago that we have to deal with issues relating to the Kaipara, and I am very keen to get on to those. I give her and Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua my undertaking that that is a very important piece of work. It is about this time that the Office of Treaty Settlements staff start cringing, because they will say: \u201COh, he is making promises again.\u201D But that is the way it is. It is important work, not to do a deal but to do a settlement with Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua in relation to the harbour. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ETreaty settlement days are wonderful days for Parliament. They have become a regular occurrence in the House. It is because of cross-party arrangements to facilitate what are called extended sitting hours. We do not like dealing with Treaty settlement legislation in urgency, because that would be disrespectful in terms of what we are trying to achieve. So through the agreement of the House we have Thursday mornings in some sessions when we can debate these issues. Every settlement is unique. Of course there are common features, but every settlement is unique and is tailored to address the uniqueness of the relationship and the failings between the Crown and the particular iwi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EWe all know the history here because Mr Tirikatene has mentioned it. Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua signed the Treaty when it was brought to T\u0101maki in March 1840. From then, the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua community of the south Kaipara adopted a strategy of inclusion and engagement. They transacted large areas of land with the Crown, to be made available for settlers. They welcomed the settlers, and then they were let down. A meeting house was erected by Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua at Aotea, and a plinth was placed in front of the house, with the words of the Treaty of Waitangi inscribed on it. When the rangatira Te Keene Tangaroa wrote to George Grey about the plinth he explained it was meant as \u201Ca sign for us and our European friends to see\u201D. So the tragedy, which this important settlement bill seeks to put right, is that despite their endorsement and their open and willing engagement with the Crown, by the early 20th century Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara were in a position that was no better than that of other iwi. They were, effectively, landless, and, of course, with landlessness came poverty and destitution. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe tribunal, as part of its historical work, undertook an inquiry into your claims just over a decade ago. You describe living conditions for Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua in the 1950s and 1960s as resembling rural slums. The history is set out in the introduction to the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara Claims Settlement Bill and in the deed of settlement, as are the Crown\u2019s acknowledgments\u2014and they should be. I say what I said in the previous debate: it is very important that people who doubt the validity of what this country is doing with its historical claims work should read the historical account, should read the acknowledgments, and should acknowledge the facts, because the facts speak for themselves. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI do not want to talk at any great length about the economic and the cultural packages. I believe the economic package puts you in a very great position to work with other iwi in the area to develop a good, strong economic base, and I believe that with the work that is being done in the wider T\u0101maki area there are great opportunities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the Department of Conservation because it will be working with you in years to come on a co-management framework. The Department of Conservation has some wonderful policy people at its head office and it has some really great people on the ground who care for this work, and I know that they are going to do a good job with you into the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThere are some people on my side whom I want to acknowledge. The Parliamentary Counsel Office does a great job drafting the legislation, often in conditions of great urgency. The M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, chaired by Tau Henare, does a wonderful job in going out, hearing submissions on bills, and then reporting the bills back to the House. Tau, frankly, makes mincemeat of those who get in the way. There was a submission on the \u014Cr\u0101kei bill that he did not like, and I think the submitter left the worse for wear. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the Office of Treaty Settlements, which does a great job. I particularly acknowledge my chief Crown negotiator in the T\u0101maki area, Mike Dreaver. He has done fabulous work over the last few years. Whenever there is an adjournment he has me in the general area, working and meeting people. In the last adjournment I had 3 days of meetings in Hauraki. He is a very hard-working and dedicated individual, and I am pleased to place on record my admiration for the work he has done, because it was he who started this work with Sir Douglas Graham a couple of years ago, and no one would ever have imagined that we would get this far. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EBut today is your day, and I acknowledge the presence of so many of you in the gallery. Thank you very much for your hard work, the hard work of your lawyer, Grant Powell, and the hard work of your negotiators. So many people have done a great job to get to this stage. I have to say that in Treaty settlements terms it has worked very, very well indeed. I signed the agreement in principle on the eve of Christmas a couple of years ago, and because of the dedication of the Kaipara team we are where we are today, so thank you very much, and all the very best for the future. As I say, there is some unfinished business in relation to a certain harbour, and once again I give my undertaking that we are on to it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u0022bf2f3fd97fd644fdaef7991e739bf4ea\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bf2f3fd97fd644fdaef7991e739bf4ea\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour\u2014Hauraki-Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. T\u0113nei e t\u016B ana ki te tuku aku mihi maioha ki a koutou Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua ki Kaipara. T\u0113nei taku kitenga i a koe taku tau, te rangatira, te matua ka hoki ng\u0101 mahara. Ka hoki ng\u0101 mahara ki a r\u0101tou katoa e kawea ana i t\u0113nei kaupapa i mua i te aroaro o te K\u0101wanatanga, i mua i te aroaro o te Karauna. Ahakoa kua ngaro i te tirohanga kanohi, kei konei r\u0101tou i t\u0113nei w\u0101 hei \u0101rahi i ng\u0101 whakaaro o te ng\u0101kau e p\u0101 ana ki ng\u0101 k\u014Drero ka puta mai. Ki a koe an\u014D hoki, Naida, koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E[Thank you and greetings to you collectively. I rise to extend my heartfelt congratulations to you of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua at Kaipara. My sighting of you, my beloved, esteemed leader and fatherly figure, make the memories go back. The thoughts go back to all of them who brought this matter before Government and the Crown. Although they are lost from view, they are here at this point in time to guide the feelings of the heart in respect of the stories that will emerge. Thank you once again, Naida, and indeed to all of you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIt gives me great pleasure to be able to support the third reading of the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara Claims Settlement Bill. I will take a brief call, but it is not to disrespect Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua; it is to affirm something very interesting that is happening today. We have debated a lot of settlement bills in this House. I would say that this bill, in two words, is smart and agile. It is smart because it recognises that the context for its historical Treaty claims exists within, actually, something big that is happening within New Zealand, and that is the growth of Auckland. There is no doubt about it that Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua in Kaipara and in \u014Cr\u0101kei will have a deep impression on the way in which Auckland will grow now and into the future. It is agile because some of the pillars within this particular bill affirm the ongoing interests that Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua ki Kaipara will seek to have established and recognised within the context of our modern legislative environment. For example, the recognition of conservation covenants and the interplay with the Conservation Act are very much a here and now issue. If Auckland wants to continue to maintain green space within the isthmus, there is no doubt that within the rohe of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua ki Kaipara they will have some very strong views about how that could happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI would invite any member who has a representative interest in Auckland who is listening to this debate to get themselves acquainted with two things: the deed of settlement for this particular bill, and the legislation that we are currently affirming here today. Why? Because they have to be understood within the context of an ever-increasing and ever-evolving Auckland isthmus. There will be no doubt about it. The interests of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua ki Kaipara and Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua ki \u014Cr\u0101kei will ensure that they have an ongoing role in the way in which that city continues to evolve and grow. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThe other pillar within the context of this bill links to the Resource Management Act. We cannot get away from the fact that the assertion of rights and interests will be determined by how this particular law giving effect to the settlement will interplay with the Conservation Act and the Resource Management Act and, by extension, influence what is happening within the context of the local government legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E I understand that Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua is well represented on the M\u0101ori advisory board. I suspect that the next step will be a seat around the council table\u2014two seats, probably. We will certainly be pushing up from the south for a couple of seats. The general purview of interest is that our largest city in this country will be heavily influenced\u2014heavily influenced\u2014by the footprints and the handprints of the ancestors who have traditionally walked the Auckland isthmus, and their descendants will make sure that they will be at the forefront of modern urban development, while retaining some of the strong values that they have as M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI applaud Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua. I applaud them for, again, a smart and agile settlement. I applaud them for recognising that this is a gain for now, and that there are many other gains to come. The Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations himself has recognised some of the outstanding issues that will be gains to come. I applaud the way in which the commercial redress will put some very strong interests in some key properties within your rohe\u2014key properties\u2014some of which the Crown, as the major tenant, is probably not likely to move its tenancy of for quite some time. We would hope, at the positive end, that none of our people end up in the whare herehere. But at the other end, it does not look like the Crown is going to resile from its tenancy of that particular premise. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EAlso, in the education space, I would hazard a guess that in 10 years\u2019 time, when we look to review some of the gains of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua in the education space, they will show themselves to be strong leaders in showing a different way of doing things in education, but for the betterment of their people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThis is a brief call, but it is not to disrespect Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua; it is just to say well done. It is a smart and agile settlement. I do not say that often. I am hoping that we might learn from you when we advise other people about settlements to look to and models to gain from. I hope that in the spirit of the settlement progress and post-settlement opportunity, we can all learn from one another, because your gains will be our gains, and hopefully our mistakes will not be your mistakes. N\u014D reira, kia koutou katoa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022 data-id=\u0022e3029c56f191476289168216aaa5b235\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e3029c56f191476289168216aaa5b235\u0022\u003EDAVID CLENDON (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Speaker. Kei te mihi nui ki ng\u0101 manuhiri, ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E[Hello, Mr Speaker. I acknowledge the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua of Kaipara visitors and subtribes greatly. Greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EI am pleased to take a short call just to affirm the Green Party\u2019s support for this legislation, the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara Claims Settlement Bill, as we endeavour to support all of the settlement bills.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EI would like to begin by simply taking a moment to acknowledge, as others have done, rather a large gap in the Labour benches this morning. We reference, of course, our late and much-lamented colleague Parekura, who always brought a distinct flavour to these debates. He is missed but his legacy continues, and will do so far into the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EOne of the mixed benefits of being an MP, and particularly a northern MP, is that I travel routinely. My journey to work each Tuesday morning literally gives me a bird\u2019s-eye view of the Kaipara Harbour and the landscape that surrounds it. It is an extraordinary landscape\u2014our largest harbour\u2014and a very rich landscape, historically an enormously productive landscape. The richness of that place both culturally, after 300 years of occupation by ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara, and, of course, ecologically\u2014the richness of the land and the sea\u2014attracted people to live there so many years ago. Of course, sadly, over time that landscape, both culturally and physically, the environment, has been degraded, and it is an unfortunate reality that now the work begins again\u2014or continues, I should say\u2014to restore the quality of both the cultural landscape and the physical landscape, the ecology of that place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EThis settlement bill we are debating, and will pass unanimously today, I am sure, is a significant step towards that restoration, and for that we applaud the work of those at Government level who have contributed to that. I must commend Minister Finlayson\u2014something, I must confess, the Greens do not routinely do\u2014for his stated commitment to continue to put energy and time into the Kaipara.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EI mentioned degradation. It saddens me to think back to my childhood, when, driving around the countryside, you would routinely hear people sneeringly remark about M\u0101ori land and how one could identify M\u0101ori land because that was the land growing gorse and with broken fences and no sign of much work being done. Of course, what was missing from those statements is captured in the text of this bill, which notes that the Native Land Court established in 1862 was intended to\u2014and did very successfully\u2014alienate M\u0101ori from their land. It goes on in the bill to say that the law did not provide a way for the owners to collectively manage their land. This meant it was difficult for owners to accumulate capital and make improvements, and frequently owners had little option but to use sale proceeds to meet their immediate needs. That has been part of the history of the Kaipara rohe, as indeed it has been of the entire motu of New Zealand generally.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003ENow is the time to celebrate the fact that we see, in the course of these settlement bills, a significant step towards restoring the integrity of the land as we restore the integrity of the mana\u2014recognise the mana whenua for who they are and what they are. In that sense, it is a genuine pleasure to be part of the process, albeit in a small way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EA week or two ago one of our Labour colleagues used a word that was not familiar to many of us, and in that spirit I am going to introduce a new word and talk about the palimpsest of Kaipara. That is a word that has many meanings, but in landscape terms it is one I came across in a former life. It talks about the marks, the impressions, that are left by human interaction with the land over time. Those marks can sometimes be erased. They can be the contours of a hill where once there was a p\u0101. It can be a k\u016Bmara pit. It can be the remnants of a stone wall. But what we see around the Kaipara, as in so many other places, is lines that reflect dispossession, alienation, and degradation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EI believe that the passing of this bill will make a contribution to restoration, so that in future people will look at that land and they will see impressions, they will see marks on the landscape that speak of productivity, of richness, of quality of life, and of integrity of the environment. That is the challenge that lies before us all, to ensure our ongoing support beyond the speeches and the goodwill of today, to ensure that we put our energies into supporting the ongoing recognition of mana whenua throughout the country and, in this specific case, of course, the mana whenua of Kaipara Harbour and their surrounding land.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EA year or so ago\u2014in fact, probably longer; 2 years ago, perhaps\u2014I was fortunate to be at a hui at Puatahi Marae that was a getting together of a group called the Integrated Kaipara Harbour Management Group. That is not a title that flows from the tongue, but it is an extraordinary and admirable coming together of M\u0101ori interests, of local hap\u016B and wh\u0101nau, of farmers, of conservation groups, of ordinary members of the public, and of local government. The common cause, the common purpose, of that group is the restoration of the whenua and of the moana of Kaipara. The ambitious and worthy goal of that group is to plant 2 million trees around Kaipara by 2015. That is an extraordinarily ambitious goal, and one I am sure it is well on the way to fulfilling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EWe know that as we restore the land we are restoring people, because people and their land are interwoven inextricably. If one is degraded, the other inevitably is degraded. As we restore the land, the rivers, and the harbour, we are also restoring the quality of life of the people who live in it and on it and whose tipuna have lived there for such a long time. So I can say that community, ground-upward initiatives like the Integrated Kaipara Harbour Management Group indicate to us that communities often move faster than does the legislative process. In a sense we are catching up with where the community is leading us, and, notably, where ng\u0101 hap\u016B, ng\u0101 iwi katoa are leading us, to restore this place and to restore this country to the richness and to the quality that it deserves to have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EOnce again, I extend to the people of Kaipara our greetings, our goodwill, and our ongoing support from the Green Party. Kia ora koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022 data-id=\u00227cd1e816b10048b989d0251d77d83932\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227cd1e816b10048b989d0251d77d83932\u0022\u003EHon TAU HENARE (National):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Assistant Speaker. Te mea tuatahi, anei taku mihi ki a koutou katoa. E aku rangatira, e aku kaum\u0101tua, e \u014Dku kuia, n\u014D te hau k\u0101inga, n\u014D Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E[Hello, Mr Assistant Speaker. First and foremost, here is my tribute to you all. To my leaders, elders, and elderly womenfolk from back home and from Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, acknowledgments, compliments, and regards to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI have been told to keep my comments brief because we are running out of time\u2014not that an extra 160 years would not go amiss. Can I say thank you to Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua for putting up with my family\u2014or putting my family up\u2014in your rohe for the last 30 years. Thank you for allowing me to swim at Parakai. Thank you for allowing me to fish your waters. I will not tell you where, but suffice it to say that it was in Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua territory. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EIt really is funny when you look at history and you look at, as my colleague Nanaia Mahuta said, the changing face of Auckland. One constant is Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua. One thing that remains the same is Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, whether it is through the simple ownership of land or whether it is our looking at Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua and, I suppose, taking our hats off every time we go through the area of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua. I love history, and one of the things that bugs me about New Zealand is that we have not embraced our history. We have not\u2014M\u0101oris do. They love to sit around and talk about who did what to whom, whether it is good or whether it is bad, but the nation does not spend time dealing with its history. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EOne of the sad things in Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua is, I suppose, the nation\u2019s forgetfulness about the people who perished in a bus accident when the Queen was out here in the 1960s. As a kid, I read the story, and I was fascinated that these people were from just up the road. They lived up the road from me. Who else in New Zealand knows that, other than Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua and students of New Zealand history? It has not been emblazoned on our psyche, and it should be, because we should never forget, you know, the whole story behind where those people were travelling to and where they were coming from\u2014it was actually Waitangi. Those are the stories that create our history, and a history to be proud of\u2014the prowess. Like my colleague Rino says, where did the M\u0101ori seats come from? I used to be a M\u0101ori seat holder until they decided they wanted somebody else. I will not hold that against them. They were from Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, but I will not hold that against you fullas. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EIn my last Treaty settlement speech I mentioned the horrific cartoons that we saw last week from the Marlborough Express and the Christchurch Press. Seven days ago there was an interview on TV3 with my colleague Hekia Parata. You can have your views on the National Party and the Labour Party and the Green Party and whomever else, but one of the questions asked of her\u2014of her\u2014by the interviewer was: \u201CHow M\u0101ori are you?\u201D. I find that the most insulting, most verging-on-racist question I have ever heard a reporter ask of someone\u2014not just of an MP but of someone in this country. Can you imagine a bill like this and a question being raised in the bill of how M\u0101ori Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua are, or how M\u0101ori Ng\u0101puhi are? How M\u0101ori are you? How M\u0101ori are you? It beggars belief.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EWhen we are dealing with this sort of bill\u2014and let me be blunt\u2014we get off lightly. The Crown gets off lightly for what it did. When Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua jumped up, doing the haka, we pulled their land out. We are apologising for that with a few morsels\u2014with a few pieces of silver. It is what we do, and we accept that that is what we have to do, but let no one forget that we are not the enemy\u2014well, actually, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua are not the enemy. They allowed New Zealanders to live in their area. I know that over time the other side got quite bigger numbers and things did not turn out in the way that Paora T\u016Bhaere and our t\u016Bpuna thought they would, but their wish was to invite these people in, these newcomers. We are giving these people a pittance, as far as I am concerned. I am not arguing the quantum, Minister Finlayson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EBut I want to leave you with this question: what have M\u0101ori done to deserve cartoons like that? What have M\u0101ori done to deserve being asked: \u201CHow M\u0101ori are you? Are you a real M\u0101ori?\u201D What the hell does that mean in this day and age? I do laud the fact that New Zealand is a leader in its treatment of indigenous people, but, hell, we have got a long way to go. I am glad that I work in an environment where we all work daily to move closer to reconciliation\u2014to true reconciliation. So I doff my cap to Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua and thank them, once again, for allowing me to live in their area. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022 data-id=\u0022bcc49b0bb2ae4d1f9485d081cc31119d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bcc49b0bb2ae4d1f9485d081cc31119d\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. Ng\u0101 mihi matua Doc, Whaea Naida, \u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the authorities, languages, and families of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua of Kaipara, greetings, salutations, and acknowledgments to us all. Greetings to you, Doc, Madam Naida, and also to you collectively.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EAnd t\u0113n\u0101 koutou to all the wh\u0101nau who have travelled here today. This is a very special day for you. I acknowledge the efforts of the tribe over the last 21 years to get to this point of having your own Treaty settlement legislation, the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara Claims Settlement Bill, and I hope that today brings a lot of satisfaction. What you need to know is that within this House we come from different parties, but on this issue we have absolute consensus. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EWe also have absolute consensus about the fact that you have forgone your true settlement, if we were to give you back exactly what was taken from you. When I think about that generosity, it sometimes makes me cringe. I have just done some maths. Nanaia said \u201CDon\u2019t do it!\u201D, but I have. You had 340,000 acres, and you ended up with 3 percent of the land that you originally had. I have just worked out that with the $22 million that you are getting back, we are basically giving you $66 per acre. I have just looked at some land on the internet. Five acres of land in North Auckland is worth $565,000\u2014$565,000. So when people think that we here in the House are giving you too much, I think New Zealanders really need to wake up and actually acknowledge the leadership of M\u0101oridom in this settlement process, because it is you who have brought us to this position. It is not us here; it is you. And what I want to recognise is that it is M\u0101ori\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022512d0cbf0db842798dfe5553202660d0\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f1ed02160b045d78e390fd74e752362\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL\u003C/span\u003E: I am not talking about you, Mr Assistant Speaker, and I think the context was pretty clear; I was talking about the wh\u0101nau from Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara. It is the wh\u0101nau who actually want to look to the future in a positive manner. They want to look to a future that provides opportunities for our mokopuna and our tamariki, who are the future of our country. So I thank you on behalf of New Zealanders for that generosity and for enabling us as a country to move on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EWhat I do want to reiterate is some of the k\u014Drero from the Hon Parekura Horomia. It has been really sad being here today and not having Pare, and I think everybody would acknowledge the contribution that he has made to the process. So I thank Parekura, but I also thank everybody who has been involved in bringing us to where we are today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EHe focused in the first reading particularly on names. He talked about how important names were, and he basically said that a lot of the names that we have around the motu, but particularly in your settlement, were photocopied and basically imported. What I want to highlight is that within your deed of settlement what you have done is reclaim your names, and the New Zealand Geographic Board is going to acknowledge it. So instead of Lake \u014Ctotoa, it is going to be Lake Rototoa. Instead of M\u0101ori Bay, it is going to be Maukatia Bay. Instead of Mount Auckland, it is going to be Atuanui. Instead of Crocodile Island, it is going to be Te-Motu-o-Marae-Ariki. Instead of Shelley Beach, it is going to be Aotea Beach. Instead of Hatfields Beach, it is going to be \u014Ct\u0101nerua Beach. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EWhy is that significant? Actually, it is incredibly significant because names are important, and what it means is that Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara will for ever\u2014for ever\u2014be surrounded by, and be part of, the geography that is t\u016Bturu Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara. What does that mean for us as New Zealanders? We are going to for ever recognise that status\u2014the fact that you were and are the original sovereign of that area. I think those are incredibly significant developments within this Treaty settlement legislation, because what it does do is for ever acknowledge that you and the wh\u0101nau of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara have an imprint that can never be erased\u2014it can never be erased. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI am here to celebrate with you. I am so proud to be a M\u0101ori member of Parliament and to be able to be involved in these processes. I look forward to further engagement and also to looking at how you will take this settlement and what you will do with it, because I think one of the critical challenges we have today is us providing ourselves with jobs for our wh\u0101nau. How can we partner and develop the p\u016Btea that we have to ensure that our tamariki mokopuna are going to be sustained by us, but in partnership with others? I note that there is an introductory letter to the Minister for Primary Industries on your behalf so that you can look at what sorts of relationships you can start to develop with the ministry. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI congratulate you. I congratulate all the people who have worked so hard, and I just thank you again on behalf of the people of Manurewa but also the people of Aotearoa New Zealand for your willingness to move on and enable us as a country to look to the future with positivity and pride. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022 data-id=\u002278fefc8aaa8540fab1cf8c673fd5ffac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002278fefc8aaa8540fab1cf8c673fd5ffac\u0022\u003EKATRINA SHANKS (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Assistant Speaker. It is my pleasure to take a call on this Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara Claims Settlement Bill today. I would like to welcome everybody here who is in the gallery for the settlement. It is great to see the young here, because these settlements are about the future. It is great to see the elders who are here today, because they have worked so hard, so persistently, and with such good faith to get this Treaty settlement here today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003EI was going to say it is great to welcome the rowdy, because you have been one of our more noisy-spirited iwi in the gallery, especially with the roll-call. It was good to hear your clear voices out there, so proud and strong coming from the gallery today. I would like to acknowledge those who have passed away on this journey, who have not been able to be here with you today in this long, long journey you have been on, and those who have worked hard\u2014all of you\u2014to make this a reality for your iwi and for your future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003EThis is the first time I have spoken on a Treaty bill since the passing of Parekura Horomia and I would like to acknowledge his work and his commitment to this process that we have got here today, as well. What I have learnt from these processes and these Treaty settlement bills is the stories that you tell and the history that you learn. I think that it is important that we tell these stories and that we hear them, and it is a privileged situation that we are in as members of Parliament to do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003EI would like to tell just a little one about Parekura today and about these Treaty settlement bills. I am not known for my great Te Reo skills at all. I would stand up here and I would do a settlement bill speech and I would see Parekura put his hand up and there would be a little note in it. The messenger would come over and pick the note out of his hand; I would be watching this as I am speaking and the messenger would walk around, put it on my desk, and Parekura in the note would write: \u201CYou\u2019ve got the pronunciation all wrong. This is how you say it.\u201D So I would be speaking away, reading this note at the same time, trying to work out how to pronounce better pronunciations of all the words I had been saying, and speaking at the same time. He would be sitting there with a big smile on his face, with a big thumbs up, and here I am thinking: \u201COh my goodness, oh my goodness, oh my goodness!\u201D. But that was Parekura for you: loving and supportive, and always there to make a difference. The irony of his giving someone lessons on speaking and pronunciation is not lost on me in any way, shape, or form, but we did love him to death and we do miss him incredibly in this House and also in our select committee, because he was a very, very, very strong member of that committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003EI have touched on how we are very privileged as members of Parliament to be part of the Treaty settlement process. It is only small what we do in this House at this stage, but what we have the privilege of is going out to the maraes and listening to your history, listening to your stories, and getting a much better understanding of the journey you have been on and why and how we have got to where we are today. Part of that is understanding the wrongs that need to be righted and part of that is understanding what is actually in this legislation, because we have a role to play in ensuring that it is the strongest it can possibly be for you. So this legislation is about acknowledging the wrongs. It is not about an apology. It is about cultural redress. It is about financial redress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003EI just want to finish by saying that Nanaia Mahuta, in a previous Treaty settlement speech, said the words that it is great to be a bird, but you need the feathers to be able to fly. How true is that. I wish you all the best for your future and I look forward to the constructive relationship that you are going to have with the Crown moving forward. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u002254dd628e430f453f9d76f65f79a9d545\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002254dd628e430f453f9d76f65f79a9d545\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I understand this is a split call. I call the honourable member Brendan Horan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022 data-id=\u0022a688c6f299454f9095ed4a81433d4aed\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a688c6f299454f9095ed4a81433d4aed\u0022\u003EBRENDAN HORAN (Independent):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora e rau rangatira m\u0101. Ka mihi atu i runga i te karanga o te r\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E[To the leaders of a hundredfold, greetings. I acknowledge you in respect of the call of the day, salutations, greetings, and congratulations once again to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara\u2014169 years to reach this point and there are so many people to acknowledge both past and present. Rather than single out many special people I would rather acknowledge all who have gone before us and also all who smile warmly when they cast their thoughts to this settlement of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara. Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara\u2019s area of interest encompasses the entirety of the southern Kaipara region, and what a magnificent land it is: from South Head to Muriwai on the west coast and from near Wellsford to the upper Waitemat\u0101 Harbour to the east. Five marae in the south Kaipara are also affiliated with Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara, those being Te Haranui, Puatahi, Araparera, Kakanui, and R\u0113weti. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EAs you can imagine, there has been an incredible amount of k\u014Drero, hard mahi, compromise, and enduring intellect and courage to reach this settlement. There is more work to do, but it is now a working relationship with mana and reputation, with spiritual dignity restored. Any partnership from here forward is as equals, and it is admirable and just that Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara have genuine input into the future of our country\u2019s largest city. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E Much has been said today, and I am not going to repeat it, because all of those sentiments are true. I will keep this rather short because it has taken so long to get here and I do not want to go on. I would just like to acknowledge and say to Shane Jones, who is a little crook today, that that is an awful lot of crayfish that you have got to come up with, and it does not count if you eat half of it. Toit\u016B te whenua, toit\u016B te tangata, toit\u016B te mana. The land endures, the people prevail, the mana is secure. Congratulations, salutations, and good luck.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022 data-id=\u00228c4d8ae8fca5444baa233c9512f3ee64\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228c4d8ae8fca5444baa233c9512f3ee64\u0022\u003EMARK MITCHELL (National\u2014Rodney):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua. I am proud as the member of Parliament for Rodney to take this call today in honour of the settlement reached between the proud people of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara and the Crown. I was sitting talking to my friend and colleague the Hon Tau Henare last night, reflecting on the importance of today and the significance of this settlement. I sought his guidance on how to make sure I spoke with respect, ensuring that I observed any special protocols. His advice to me was: \u201CDon\u2019t waffle. You don\u2019t have to make a grandiose, philosophical speech. Don\u2019t be a windbag.\u201D I said: \u201CBut we\u2019re politicians.\u201D, and Tau said: \u201CGood point.\u201D But he told me to speak from the heart. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EThere are many people from the five marae who have been involved in this settlement who are no longer with us, including members who were directly involved in the negotiations. They may not be here with us today in body, but they are here in spirit, and I pay tribute to them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EI was lucky to have some time this morning alone with Richard and Pearl Nahi. Richard was one of the tribal negotiators. He told me that the tribe is focused on leadership and the development of its youth, and that this settlement will allow this to continue to grow and happen. So I say to you: good luck, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara. Please use your wisdom, your patience, and your fearlessness in the right measure, at the right time, to invest and grow this settlement, to become stronger economically and culturally. We have been given powerful examples of what can be achieved by iwi such as Tainui and Ng\u0101i Tahu. While I remain one of your representatives in this House of Parliament, I make the commitment to serve and support you the best way that I can when called on. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u002289afdf26d57241b99c7a6aaac257f082\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002289afdf26d57241b99c7a6aaac257f082\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Kia ora, and thank you. Can I ask Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua to leave the gallery efficiently, as we have another iwi coming in and we have further legislation to debate. Thank you for your time. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a9719b865ce14ac9a794c4f3f7f01d64\u0022\u003EWaitaha Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f7306800c8774773b07d8c6f6ea4f45b\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022 data-id=\u0022b32c7f49c4724feba22939f3c32fb341\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b32c7f49c4724feba22939f3c32fb341\u0022\u003EHon Dr PITA SHARPLES (Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: Kia ora, Mr Speaker. I move, That the Waitaha Claims Settlement Bill be now read a third time. Ko \u014Ctawa te maunga, ko Te Raparapa-a-Hoe te awa, ko Hei te tupuna. Ko Takak\u014Dpiri te tangata, ko Te Arawa te waka, ko Waitaha te iwi. N\u0101 reira, ka huri au ki te mihi atu ki a r\u0101tou kua hara mai nei ki konei ki t\u0113nei Whare P\u0101remata kia whakatutuki ai i t\u0113nei kaupapa ka wh\u0101ia e t\u0101tou katoa. N\u0101 reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou nau mai, hara mai r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EHara mai r\u0101 me te kaupapa e whakahuihui i a t\u0101tou i t\u0113nei rangi, he kaupapa nui. N\u0101 reira, kai te tangi atu ki a r\u0101tou kua ngaro atu, ng\u0101 mate kua p\u0101 ki a koutou, e t\u012Braha tonu i ng\u0101 marae maha o te motu, \u0101, tae noa ki a r\u0101tou o te k\u0101inga nei. N\u0101 reira, ko te k\u014Drero, r\u0101tou ki a r\u0101tou. Haere koutou me ng\u0101 h\u016Bp\u0113, te roimata kia okioki pai koutou, \u0101, i mua o te aroaro o Te Kaihanga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EN\u0101 reira, kia hoki atu ki te kaupapa tino nui rawa i t\u0113nei r\u0101 t\u0101tou m\u0101, he kaupapa harikoa, te whakamutunga o te ara o t\u0113nei pire i roto i te Whare P\u0101remata i t\u0113nei r\u0101. He r\u0101 nui t\u0113nei m\u014D koutou, otir\u0101, m\u014D t\u0101tou katoa, nau mai, hara mai r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[\u014Ctawa is the mountain, Te Raparapa-a-Hoe is the river, and Hei is the ancestor. Takak\u014Dpiri is the man, Te Arawa is the canoe, and Waitaha is the tribe. So I turn to acknowledge those who have arrived here at this House of Parliament to conclude this matter that we are all pursuing. Salutations to you collectively, welcome, welcome. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EWelcome indeed in relation to the matter that has assembled us here on this day. It is a matter of great significance. Therefore I mourn those who are gone, the deaths experienced by you collectively that continue to lie prone on the many courtyards of the nation, including those from this place. So the statement is that they, the dead, to the dead, go collectively and enshrined in mucus, in tears so that you may rest well before the Creator. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003ETherefore, returning to this matter of great significance today, fellow colleagues, it is one of sheer delight and of final note in the House today. This is a great day for you and for all of us indeed, so welcome, welcome.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe story of Waitaha is hugely significant\u2014an iwi whose members have never yielded to the Crown, a people devastated by the cumulative effect of the Crown\u2019s acts, the Crown\u2019s omissions, and its breaches of Te Tiriti o Waitangi and its principles.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E As he stood aboard the deck of Te Arawa waka and looked to \u014Ctawa maunga, the tipuna Hei declared: Te takap\u016B o taku tama, ko Waitahanui-a-Hei. \u201CLet this land be the living land of my son Waitaha.\u201D Over time the uri o Hei settled along the coast extending from Katikati to \u014Ctamar\u0101kau and to the island of Tuhua. Waitaha has close whakapapa links with Tauranga, Waikato, Ng\u0101i Tahu, Ngati Porou, Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu, and Te Arawa. By the 1840s Waitaha primarily occupied the land between Tauranga Harbour in the west and Waiari River in the east, as well as staying inland. The people before us today are the living proof that the children of Waitaha have kept this ancient promise\u2014a promise kept across generations, through incredible hardship and in the face of unnecessary suffering. Te takap\u016B o taku tama, ko Waitahanui-a-Hei\u2014these living lands of the people of Waitahanui. But it is has not been an easy promise to keep. Much of the unnecessary suffering borne by the Waitaha families took place after the Crown brought war to their homelands, just a few decades after Te Tiriti o Waitangi was signed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe Waitaha prophet Hakaraia Mahika blended Christian philosophies with M\u0101ori teachings, and preached peaceful engagement with P\u0101keh\u0101 for the first part of his life. However, as he witnessed the loss of M\u0101ori lands and lives across Aotearoa, as the Crown invaded Waikato and edged towards Waitaha, Hakaraia the spiritual leader also became Hakaraia the warrior leader. He would spend the latter half of his life fighting against the confiscation of M\u0101ori lands and would ultimately die defending them. When his body was found in the Wai\u014Deka Gorge, he was draped in the K\u012Bngitanga flag. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe reputation of this incredible New Zealander has been tainted in the so-called official history of this country. The Crown\u2019s Tauranga confiscations were unjust, and yet Hakaraia Mahika was killed because he opposed them. He was labelled a rebel. Homes, crops, livestock, and belongings of Waitaha people were burnt to the ground under the Crown\u2019s scorched earth policy. Survivors fled. Much of the ancestral and w\u0101hi tapu lands of Waitaha were confiscated, and remain so to this day. Such was the loss of Waitaha families that the following lament would shape their dealings with the Crown over successive generations: Ko Waitaha te iwi, he t\u0101ngata ng\u0101kau rua\u2014Waitaha, once powerful, but, due to the loss of land, now divided. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EWithout the land and without the resources to take ownership of their own destiny, generations of Waitaha people were denied by the Crown the right to determine their own economic and their own social well-being. By confiscating sacred sites such as \u014Ctawa maunga, the mountain of Hei seen from Te Arawa waka, the Crown also sought to deny the people of Waitaha their cultural treasures. This land loss, this identity loss, coupled with the stigma of raupatu, meant that the Crown actively sought to deny the descendants of Hei and Waitaha the right to uphold their own mana motuhake, the right to exercise their own rangatiratanga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E Today\u2019s settlement is made up of cultural, financial, and commercial redress. Cultural redress includes the vesting of cultural sites and reserves and a Crown acknowledgment of the Waitaha values regarding their w\u0101hi tapu, referred to as their whakairinga k\u014Drero. The Crown will provide statutory acknowledgment of Waitaha\u2019s statements of their particular cultural, spiritual, historical, and traditional association with 15 areas, including the peak of the maunga t\u012Bpuna \u014Ct\u0101newainuku, beds of several watercourses, including the Kaituna River, and the coastal area between Mauao and Maket\u016B. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EHe h\u014Dnore m\u0101ku\u2014it is an honour for me\u2014and I am pleased to announce that $1.3 million has already been provided to Waitaha to prepare a full historical account of Waitaha and Hakaraia, and for a contribution to the restoration of Hei Marae and other cultural support purposes. I look forward to that. Too many of our t\u012Bpuna who fought for their people died and were branded\u2014not by their history books but by P\u0101keh\u0101 history books\u2014as traitors, and yet they are the reason that we are still strong as M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe Crown will provide letters to Ministers encouraging support for Maranga Waitaha, a link to Government initiatives, to assist with the social, economic, and cultural needs of Waitaha. The Crown will also provide letters of introduction to local authorities. The Crown will institute three ministerial protocols relating to taonga t\u016Bturu, conservation, and Crown minerals. Financial redress for Waitaha includes the payment of $7.5 million plus interest from the agreement in principle signed in March 2008. Commercial redress for Waitaha includes the right to purchase three land bank properties on settlement, the right to purchase five sites on sale and leaseback provisions, and a right to purchase land bank properties.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E But to me this bill, importantly, pays tribute to Hakaraia Mahika and the important legacy he leaves his descendants as a spiritual leader, rangatira, and warrior leader. As his name in the official history of our country is restored, it is right that the Hakaraia Mahika endowment fund will nurture and support future Waitaha leaders. A rangatira who died fighting for his people\u2019s rights\u2014te rangatiratanga, te mana motuhake\u2014Hakaraia\u2019s vision of peace for Waitaha will soon be fulfilled. From today it will also live on in New Zealand law, and when the volume about the M\u0101ori history of Hakaraia is completed, everyone will know he was a chief, a rangatira, and a warrior. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EAll those things taken from the families of Waitaha due to the actions of the Crown can never be totally replaced, and yet today the families of Waitaha seek to settle their grievances with the Crown with mana and with honour. Mai i Te Rae-o-Papamoa, i Te \u014Ckere \u014D mua, Te \u014Cpere-o-Tua i te wehenga whakamutunga o Tamatekapua ki \u014Ctawa-ki-Te Rangi, Te \u016Apoko-o-Hei, ki Te Kikiri-o-te-\u016Apoko o Taranui, whakawhiti atu ki Te Ara-a-Hei, ki \u014Ct\u0101newainuku, te maunga o ng\u0101 patupaiarehe, he maunga tipua. Ka mihi ki a P\u016Bwhenua, ka mihi ki a Mauao, te takap\u016B o taku tama o Waitahanui-a-Hei\u2014these living lands of the people of Waitahanui.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[From Te Rae-o-Papamoa, formerly Te \u014Ckere, then to Te \u014Cpere-o-Tua, the final departure place of Tamatekapua to \u014Ctawa-ki-Te Rangi, to Te \u016Apoko-o-Hei, to Te Kikiri-o-te-\u016Apoko o Taranui across to Te Ara-a-Hei, to \u014Ct\u0101newainuku, the mountain of the fairy folk and a spiritual mountain. I acknowledge P\u016Bwhenua, Mauao, and my son Waitahanui-a-Hei\u2019s abdomen\u2014these living lands of the people of Waitahanui.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EI commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u0022dbc3d19c78a74ef0bddd3bf011bc9858\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dbc3d19c78a74ef0bddd3bf011bc9858\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou e aku rangatira huri noa i te Whare. Ki a koutou Waitaha iwi, Te Arawa waka, ng\u0101 uri whakatipu o Hei me tana tama a Waitaha, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Nau mai, hara mai ki te Whare P\u0101remata e takat\u016B nei. N\u014D koutou t\u0113nei r\u0101, ko te r\u0101 whakahirahira. K\u0101ti, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113na koutou, \u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. Greetings to you, my esteemed leaders throughout the House. To you, the tribe of Waitaha, the canoe of Te Arawa, and the descendants of Hei and his son Waitaha, salutations and greetings to you collectively. Welcome, welcome indeed to Parliament House standing in readiness here. This is your day, and a significant one at that. Enough for now, so salutations, greetings, and congratulations to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EIt is a great privilege for me to speak at this final reading of the Waitaha Claims Settlement Bill. Every iwi has a story, and every story is very significant. One of the great things about being a member on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee is that we have been able to learn a lot about the history of iwi right around the country. For me, especially, coming from down south, I have been enlightened quite a lot with the work that we have achieved with the Waitaha Claims Settlement Bill, because Waitaha are in the South Island as well. I understand that the sons of Waitaha settled throughout Aotearoa. So I sort of think that there might be a connection there through the Waitaha that we have down in Murihiku, puta noa i Te Wai Pounamu. For me it was nice to make the connection there with the people of Waitaha. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EEvery iwi does have a story, and regrettably the story for Waitaha is a very dark history. But it is wonderful to be here at this final reading to see the revitalisation and the re-emergence of the identity and the mana of this great iwi. Waitaha is an iwi that almost\u2014almost\u2014lost its identity along with its lands. We know that they are from the Te Arawa waka, but their area of influence stretched from Mauao down to Maket\u016B and inland past Te Teko. When the Crown invaded Waikato in 1863, and as caused by the pressures of those situations, wh\u0101nau had to side certain ways. So some sided with the K\u012Bngitanga, some fought with the Crown, and some remained neutral, but it caused great division between tribes and internal conflict, as those situations must have done. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThroughout that, regrettably, it was very unfortunate that the Crown punished Waitaha severely by confiscating 214,000 acres as punishment. It said that it would retain a quarter of the land and return the rest, but that never happened. I think it is important to never forget why Waitaha live in a place called Manoeka\u2014and that is the beauty of the M\u0101ori language, Manoeka, which literally means 1,000 acres\u2014because that was the remnant pieces of land, a few small areas of land that were the only pieces of land that were retained. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EAs a result the iwi really struggled to retain its identity and to maintain its way of life, because it had so much of its lands taken. But it had very prominent leaders, and Hakaraia was one such leader who rose to prominence. He dared to challenge all of the terrible deeds that were going on, or as Parekura used to say, \u201Cthe dastardly deeds of the Crown\u201D, in terms of the Crown\u2019s surveys, and the surveying of confiscated lands, and all those other modus operandi, as I call them, of the Crown around those land confiscations. So Hakaraia, the great rangatira, rose up, and as a result the Crown saw that as a threat and it harassed Hakaraia all the way to his death. At the time it was carrying out a scorched earth policy of the time. That really calls to mind the deed of signing that we had earlier this week with Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. The same tactics were applied to Waitaha. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThat is a very dark and very blood-drenched history that is a reality for the people here of Waitaha, and the same goes for many iwi around the country. So it is important that these stories can be told. I have spoken about them in my earlier speeches in greater detail, but it is important that they are put into the statute book. It is great that there are Crown acknowledgments and apologies for those acts or omissions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E There are many aspects to the settlement, and I know the Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs has gone through them in greater detail than I have, but I do like to focus on the future\u2014as my colleague Katrina talked about\u2014on our children and their children. That is definitely the tribal slogan, I guess, for Ng\u0101i Tahu: that it is for us and our children after us. It is wonderful to see the activities that are happening throughout Waitaha through the renovations and revitalisations of their whare t\u016Bpuna, Hei Marae. They have only one marae, but I am really hopeful and I am pretty sure that there will be many more marae for Waitaha that will be re-established over the coming years and decades to come. There is also the new wharekai that is now gracing the marae there at Hei. I think it is wonderful to see what the benefits of a settlement can achieve for iwi. Likewise, there is the recognition, the documentation, of the story of Hakaraia and also the creation of education endowments in Hakaraia\u2019s name for his descendants and uri. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo those are the aspects of settlement that I am really pleased to see\u2014likewise, to see all the happy faces that are here in the gallery today from Waitaha. It has been a long journey, but we are almost there. Again, I will not prolong my k\u014Drero today, only that I wish Waitaha all the very best. Feel free to come down to Te Wai Pounamu and make the hononga connections. I am sure our wh\u0101nau down there would be delighted to make those connections. I wish you all the very best. I commend this bill to the House. Kia ora t\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022 data-id=\u00226412bd4b2a4f4aa2a45b80e5860342f7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226412bd4b2a4f4aa2a45b80e5860342f7\u0022\u003EKATRINA SHANKS (National):\u003C/span\u003E It is my pleasure to take a call on the Waitaha Claims Settlement Bill today. I would like to welcome all the representatives to Parliament and to the House today. It is good to see so many of you in the gallery. I also would like to acknowledge the youth in our gallery today, because, actually, these settlements are not just about recognising the past and what has happened in the past, but they are about ensuring we have a strong foundation for the youth going forward. It is important that they are here today so they can tell these stories to their children and their children\u2019s children\u2014that they were here today and they witnessed this very historic moment for your iwi. And it is a historic moment, and it has been a long journey. Many of you have worked very, very hard to get here today, and I would like to acknowledge that, and also those of you who are not here with us today. I see some pictures in the gallery that have been brought along. I acknowledge those who have not got to this point of the journey and the work that they have done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003EAlso I would like to acknowledge the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, Minister Finlayson, and all the work that he has done to ensure that we have got many of these Treaty settlements into the House and into their third readings and getting out the other side of that, and also the work that Tau Henare does. He is the chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. We sit on that select committee, and it is a very hard-working committee. He is always very focused on getting these bills through the committee as fast as he possibly can. We always go out to the iwi, we always go into the communities, we always go on to the maraes. As members of Parliament we are privileged to do that. What it allows us to do is to hear your stories, to hear the history, to get an understanding of it, so that when we look at this bill we have a much greater understanding of the journey to get to this bill, to make sure that it is the best that it possibly can be for you during this process. So in this particular bill we talk about an agreed historical account\u2014which is extremely important\u2014an apology from the Crown, cultural redress, and financial redress, which are all equally important aspects of this Treaty settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a744a9a7-a2e8-401b-abfb-aec22a3818c8\u0022\u003EI am not going to take a long call today, because it is important we get this bill passed today, and we are time-limited for this session. So I want to wish you well. I want to thank you for everything you have done to get to this stage. I hope that we can work together\u2014the Crown and iwi\u2014in a constructive, positive way to make a real difference to the people in your iwi, the people in our community, and the people in New Zealand. Thank you very much. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u0022d40e0462dfde49f6bbbaa4f492341f89\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d40e0462dfde49f6bbbaa4f492341f89\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour\u2014Hauraki-Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, tuatahi, t\u0113nei ka tuku aku mihi ki a koutou Waitaha, kua eke mai nei i runga i te papa nei i roto i t\u0113nei Whare n\u014D reira, ki a koutou katoa, e kaha ana ki te kawea nei i t\u0113nei kaupapa i waenganui i a koutou, kia whakatakoto i mua i te aroaro o te K\u0101wanatanga, te Karauna, hei tutuki i t\u0113nei kaupapa, t\u0113nei te mihi atu ki a koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E[Firstly, I extend my greetings to you, Waitaha, who have arrived here on the floor in this House and worked so hard amongst yourselves to bring this matter forth and place it before the Government and the Crown to finish off. I therefore commend you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIt gives me great pleasure to be able to speak in the third reading of this particular bill, the Waitaha Claims Settlement Bill. Having listened to the previous contributions, I was trying to think what contribution\u2014what small morsel of a contribution\u2014I might make today. I would not hope to try to express and retell your history, because much of it cannot be told within the context of this bill. Much of it really still lies within the hearts and minds of the generations that have descended from Hakaraia to this day. But we share a common thread. The common thread goes back to the 1860s\u2014back to a time when our ancestors were labelled with the current lexicon of that day as \u201Crebels\u201D. Tame Iti would have called them \u201Cfreedom fighters\u201D. Today I would much rather prefer we were \u201Csovereigns\u201D\u2014M\u0101ori sovereigns fighting for something that we knew defined us as who we were in our own country, holding on to our land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ESo I share that connection to the extent that the label and classification of \u201Crebels\u201D from Hakaraia\u2019s time down, I think, provided a bit of a stigma. I can say that, because I went to school not so long ago when the history books told only one side of the story. In that story they said why Waikato were rebels. The effect that that had within the classroom was that every P\u0101keh\u0101 child in my classroom stigmatised my value, my worth, and the history that I was told from my ancestors, because the history books said we were rebels. I am pleased that there are young people here today, because what this bill does is it shines Waitaha\u2019s light on a dark day in history. The colonial Government had created some very dingy and suspect feelings towards our people, and as M\u0101ori sovereigns who fought for our lands, who fought to retain what we had, who fought to ensure that nobody could critically take away what belonged to us, today some part of that poor history has been redressed. So what it has done is it has shone Waitaha\u2019s light on the Crown\u2019s dark days in history that it created. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EWhat it has also done, though, is it has enabled the light to shine out, because this is an intergenerational settlement. When I read the terms of the settlement in terms of the endowments for education, the redress in terms of restoring a key marae for your people, the redress in terms of establishing the endowment fund, and all the statutory acknowledgments, your financial and commercial redress\u2014all that, in total sum, is by some small measure an opportunity to say to the next generation: \u201CHey, if people said your t\u016Bpuna were rebels, don\u2019t you believe it. Your t\u016Bpuna fought for what they knew was right, so that you would have two legs to stand on, in your own rohe and on your land.\u201D I am, without a doubt, assured by the fact that because there are so many young people here today, your history has been carried quite proudly within your people. Now we have an opportunity to open that history up to the rest of New Zealand, and it is an important thing to do, as the speaker before me said. Once stories are told, once the history is corrected, then New Zealand can walk forward into a proud future that says: \u201CHey, we\u2019re trying to do things a bit better. We realise hurt was caused in the past, but reconciliation begins with acknowledging that damage was done in the past and it was wrong. It was wrong, and it was not right, and it hurt a lot of people through the generations. Now is the time to heal and look forward.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI want to commend the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations because he has certainly taken it upon himself to be so ambitious around the aspiration of getting all the Treaty settlements done that we can only support it. In this House there are very few times when members of Parliament come together to support legislation with a huge majority, but this is one of the times\u2014Treaty settlements. We know that in order to heal the past and reconcile and move forward into the future, the Treaty settlement process is absolutely critical. Once that is over and done with, it goes back into your court, and that says that it is now our challenge to make it work. I am not fazed by the sums of money or the things like that, and neither should you be, because it is what you do with it. If a story of Treaty settlements can be told within New Zealand around our collective experience, no matter what sum of money you are given, it is actually what you do with it. It is how your people grow, how you prosper, how you ensure an intergenerational perspective to opportunities going forward. It is going to be how we, as iwi, collaborate, and I think that is the real benefit of a Treaty settlement landscape that positions M\u0101ori, the M\u0101ori economy, and the M\u0101ori development future of our people in a far stronger position so that we can weather the storms now and into the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI wish you well. I wish the young people well, and tell them to remember this day. Remember this day because it is the day that your t\u016Bpuna and your kaum\u0101tua who are here with you have given you the opportunity to look forward unencumbered by the heaviness of the past. I wish you well, because now is the beginning of another journey and another opportunity. I want to thank everybody who has been involved, the negotiators on Waitaha\u2019s side and certainly on the Crown\u2019s side, to be able to ensure we have got something to be able to acknowledge that Waitaha\u2019s torch is now shining on the history that must be told and cannot be forgotten. Kia ora koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022 data-id=\u00227c1e19ce899241cfafe78e75d6ba9ccc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227c1e19ce899241cfafe78e75d6ba9ccc\u0022\u003EDAVID CLENDON (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Ki ng\u0101 manuhiri, ng\u0101 hap\u016B, ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau o Waitaha, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E[Salutations to you, all visitors, subtribes, and families of Waitaha.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EI am pleased to take a short call on behalf of the Greens to speak to this important piece of legislation, the Waitaha Claims Settlement Bill, and to reaffirm our support for the passing of this very significant bill. A couple of times this morning I have enjoyed my whanaunga Tau Henare speaking of his regret at the lack of attention that we as New Zealanders pay to our own history. He commented earlier that perhaps he and I were some of the exceptions to the rule, having parents and family who enjoyed and revelled in learning and speaking about New Zealand history. But many New Zealanders of my age, and even younger, grew up knowing about Geronimo, Sitting Bull, and Robin Hood, but knew next to nothing about Te Rauparaha, Hongi Hika, Kawiti, and Te Kooti, who were extraordinary men living in extraordinary times and doing extraordinary things. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EIn that context, I must confess that my own knowledge of the story of Waitaha was fairly minimal up until coming to grips with and reading this bill. It is a sad story, it is a heartbreaking story, but it is also a story that is represented in the doings of their tipuna Hakaraia, who showed the leadership that was so common in M\u0101oridom. The leaders at that time were warriors, they were philosophers, they were writers and poets, but, critically, they were leaders. They took on the responsibility and the burden of leadership at a time of incredible change when an entire history of a people was under threat, and they retained that. Their strength of purpose, their example, remains for us in the present day and for the descendants of those extraordinary people to remember their sacrifice and their efforts, and to carry that forward into the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EThe story is well told, as ever, in the Waitaha Claims Settlement Bill. It is a very succinct story in the telling, in this context anyway, but it is one I recommend to any New Zealander who wants to know more about the history of this country and particularly of that area. It is noted that after the death of Hakaraia particularly, the Tauranga raupatu took away the economic underpinnings of the people of Waitaha, and that very nearly led to their demise entirely. Sadly, that is a story that was repeated across the country. People, families, hap\u016B, and iwi can survive a great deal, but cannot survive the complete loss of the land that sustains them and that had sustained them for many generations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EWe must acknowledge in entering into the settlement that, as ever, Waitaha are forgoing full reparation, as have iwi and hap\u016B throughout the country. I have heard a figure that typically the settlements, in terms of value, represent between 2 and 5 percent of what was lost. Again, we must admire and acknowledge the generosity of ng\u0101 iwi katoa who take that hit, who accept much less in return. Critically, they hear the apology of the Crown, they hear the acknowledgment of the mana whenua, and that is equal, at least in value, to the land, the resources, and the financial redress that comes along with it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EI would like to quote our late and much-lamented friend Parekura, who in an earlier debate on this very bill in reference to Waitaha said: \u201Cthere is a feeling in me that this is one of the most persistent tribes in all of M\u0101oridom.\u201D I think you could put up a lot of nominees for the award of the most persistent, but I will certainly bow to Parekura\u2019s superior knowledge. For an iwi to win that award from that gentleman is, I think, remarkable. Persistence is a quality that we all admire. It speaks not only to the determination of the people who have endured so much for so long but also to the integrity, the essential rightness, of their claims and their very justified demands for restitution over the generations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EIt is my pleasure on behalf of the Greens to acknowledge ng\u0101 t\u016Bpuna o Waitaha and the iwi, hap\u016B, and wh\u0101nau of today who have worked so hard to get to this point, whose objectives in their negotiations include cultural revitalisation, social enhancement, and economic and political participation. This legislation that we will pass today will make a contribution to enabling that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EI would like, on behalf of my colleague Catherine Delahunty\u2014who, unfortunately, is unwell, or else she would take an opportunity to speak today\u2014to quote briefly from her speech in an earlier debate on this bill. She talks of meeting with some Waitaha people, who laid out around the issue of Newmont Waih\u012B Gold and Glass Earth Gold their aspiration to mine Muir\u2019s Peak. Catherine said: \u201CI met then with some Waitaha people, who laid out very clearly their passion for their maunga down to the ocean, and their passion for preserving their waterways and protecting the area from mining. It was very humbling to have met those people, and I want to acknowledge them.\u201D So I greet Waitaha on Catherine\u2019s behalf, and I am sure she will continue in that shared battle to protect the whenua. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003ESo M\u0101ori and the Greens share an essential concern for the well-being of people, for the well-being of whenua, for the well-being of ng\u0101 awa and ng\u0101 moana. We recognise that those are interwoven, that they are interdependent, that the well-being of one determines the well-being of another. Toit\u016B te marae o T\u0101ne, toit\u016B te marae o Tangaroa, toit\u016B te iwi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E[The courtyards of T\u0101ne and Tangaroa are permanent, and so is the durability of the people.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003ETo the extent that we damage the land and water, we damage ourselves. Restoration of land and water is also restoring our own well-being, and these settlement processes are a step towards that restoration, and for that reason we welcome them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EThis bill provides acknowledgment and recognition of the mana whenua of Waitaha, and, as ever, the Greens are pleased to see mana recognised and restored, not only for the people of Waitaha but for the land and waters, which we know they are making an enormous contribution to restoring and bringing back to life and to bringing back to the quality that is within them. We wish Waitaha well, and with real pleasure we continue to support this legislation. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022 data-id=\u00225aa41605ad2940b1b59dc86f5cd30090\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225aa41605ad2940b1b59dc86f5cd30090\u0022\u003EBRENDAN HORAN (Independent):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Speaker. Whatitiri ki te rangi, ko Waitaha, ko Maunganui ki te whenua, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. As thunder is to the sky, so are Waitaha and Maunganui on earth. Greetings, salutations, and acknowledgments once again to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EThis settlement, as with other settlements of M\u0101ori grievances, is long overdue. The devastation and deceit perpetrated upon Waitaha was so brutal, and the deception so Machiavellian in its execution, that it beggars belief. Men, women, and children massacred, possessions burnt, and land systematically taken, stolen throughout the years\u2014and what land it was that was taken. It was some of the most fertile land in New Zealand. We are talking about the Bay of Plenty, and we only need to look at the importance of agriculture and horticulture to the Bay of Plenty, and the revenue that it brings to our area. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EThis settlement is an important marker for the identity of Waitaha. The real story needs to be told. Waitaha has so many strands with so many tribes linked to Waitaha that many have learnt and discovered their identity on the journey that has taken so long to come to this pathway but important nexus here today. These strands of knowledge are like the weavings of a harakeke kete basket that are still unfinished, but strong and able to carry so much. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EIt is important and right that Hakaraia is acknowledged in this settlement, but I would just like to depart a little and talk about the education and acceptance of wider New Zealand. We do not have to cast our minds back so far; we can look at the disgusting cartoons that we saw a couple of weeks ago. But I want to take you back to about 5 months ago when Maritime New Zealand had a public meeting with some of the great brains of New Zealand there to talk about the effects and devastation of the Rena on the area. A question was asked about the knowledge that was there. One man, a local kaum\u0101tua, stood up and spoke of the kuakua, a shellfish from the deep. The person who was running this meeting turned round and said: \u201COh, we\u2019re working very closely with local iwi on this.\u201D, and yet that person did not recognise Maru Tapsell. If that sort of thing happens again, the man to go and see is sitting right over there, the Hon Chris Finlayson, who is an honourable Minister and genuine. For Waitaha, we need the education, and continuing education, of people throughout New Zealand, and, most certainly, the authorities. The kuakua date right back to te ao-hau-pao-ua, which is a wind that comes up and causes a cross-current in the ocean and created that tsunami. Those deep-sea shellfish would have brought us so much knowledge on the contaminants from the Rena. If only they had listened to M\u0101ori, eh? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EMoving forward, Waitaha require a continuation of explanation to counsel the general public, territorial authorities, and, most important, the children and people of New Zealand and the Bay of Plenty so that those in the bay recognise the enormous debt of honour and gratitude that they owe Waitaha and, most important, the role that Waitaha has played in our history and our futures yet to come. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u0022b47da2fb81f64dfa987772640de10153\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b47da2fb81f64dfa987772640de10153\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E As Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, I take the last call in this debate. I usually take the first call, but I deferred to Dr Sharples, the Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs, who is a great ministerial and parliamentary colleague, as is the local Waiariki MP, Te Ururoa Flavell, who has been advising me on many aspects concerning settlements in the Bay of Plenty. When Dr Sharples was giving his speech I left the Chamber, not because I had the pip with him but simply because, as the Minister in charge of the Waitaha Claims Settlement Bill, I cannot be here if someone else is moving the third reading. So I just thought I should make that clear. Dr Sharples was most anxious that people not think there was any disagreement between us. He has shot away to do something else, and I can assure you that it is not because he has got the stitch with me. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThis day signifies the end of a long journey for Waitaha. I want to congratulate all present here on your vision, on your endurance, and on your patience, because settlement negotiations began in February 2008 in parallel with those of your close relatives from Ng\u0101ti M\u0101kino. Waitaha signed an agreement in principle with the Crown on 16 October 2008 and, finally, on 20 September 2011 we signed the deed of settlement. So I am so pleased that we have now reached this legislative stage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI want to say this also: as Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, I am very lucky. You have heard some comments in the course of the morning about not knowing the history of this country\u2014that too many people do not know it. Well, I am very lucky because, through being Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, I sure do learn the history of this country. So I can understand what drives T\u016Bhoe, who signed a deed of settlement here a couple of days ago, in their yearning for reconnection with te Urewera. I can understand the hurt and the suffering of the iwi of the Taranaki arising from the land wars that started there a little over 150 years ago. I can understand the anger of Rongowhakaata over Te Hau ki T\u016Branga, which is why Te Hau ki T\u016Branga\u2014which of course they own\u2014needs to go back to T\u016Branga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EAnd so it is with Waitaha, because Waitaha negotiations have sought recognition of their identity and particularly the acknowledgment of the tupuna Hakaraia. Hakaraia rose to prominence as a leader of the resistance to the Crown\u2019s survey of confiscation land. In January 1867 Government forces assaulted Waitaha settlements near Te Puke. They destroyed houses, crops, and livestock as a special punishment for Hakaraia. Using scorched earth tactics, the Crown pursued Hakaraia to his death in 1870. The fate of Hakaraia is central to the story of Waitaha and their claims. This settlement acknowledges that fact and will address the matter directly through, for example, an education endowment fund of $3 million in the name of Hakaraia, funding for Waitaha to record the story of Waitaha and Hakaraia, and, as has already been mentioned, the restoration of Hei Marae. The intention of the redress is to restore the mana and identity of Hakaraia, and I am so very pleased to hear that the funding of the marae restoration has gone to building a new wharekai that is now in place at Hei Marae. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe settlement redress also includes commercial and cultural redress. One of the important aspects of settlements, particularly in the cultural redress area, is to provide facilities for iwi to work with regional and local government, for example, on cleaning up canals, lakes, and rivers that have become polluted over the years. That is why I am so very pleased, for example, that my ministerial colleague Amy Adams has just announced this morning the investment of $2.4 million by the Government to clean up Kopeope\u014D Canal. It is in the Bay of Plenty and used to be a place where folk would swim and fish, and, hopefully, in the not too distant future, for the first time in decades, that will be able to happen again. It is a priority site on the part of Amy Adams to clean up contaminated sites and it is but an example of the sort of work that can be done when iwi and the regional council and the Crown work together. I have to tell you that in the last couple of years about $28 million has been spent seeking to restore some of these sites around the country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThis settlement, which has its third reading today, is not the end. These settlements are never \u201Cdone and dusted\u201D, a phrase that irritates me considerably. They are never over and done with, but they are designed to mark a relationship between the iwi and the Crown that will build on trust and cooperation and respect for the Treaty. A very important part of what now happens is for the Crown to audit the relationship between the particular iwi and itself to make sure that the mistakes of old are not repeated again. That is why we have established within the Ministry of Justice a post-settlement organisation under the guidance of the Secretary for Justice to ensure that if the Crown says it will do something, then it does it\u2014not just today and tomorrow but 25 years on from now. That is the very least that iwi who settle with the Crown can expect, and I believe that if the Crown lives up to its promises, then the relationship can be very good indeed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThere is so much more that needs to be done outside Treaty relationships. For example, the reform of Te Ture Whenua Maori Act is a huge task and doubtless will impact on many of the wh\u0101nau in your iwi. There is good work being done on that, and I am hoping that we will be able to have some reforms next year to make that legislation more user-friendly. But today we are concentrating on this great iwi, its persistence, its courage, and its dogged determination to see the mana of Hakaraia restored. I end by echoing the great Waitaha whakatauk\u012B: Kua tau te rangim\u0101rie ki te Whare o Hakaraia, ake, ake, ake.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E[Peace has settled upon the House of Hakaraia for ever and ever.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EKaranga\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 12.43 p.m. (Thursday)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2013060520627b088a7e4d8aad78e69714f38b21000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"