"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002223a9f3ab7e9247de9ebdc26736c074d1\u0022\u003EWEDNESDAY, 23 JULY 2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226d8af0b5208d4307a7a13cecc51b59f6\u0022\u003EWEDNESDAY, 23 JULY 2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000002\u0022\u003EMr Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000004\u0022\u003EKarakia.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022776f398777a64ea5b1e41fb11b74a779\u0022\u003EBusiness of the House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ffafc3eb2869458c8bbdbc44b973edc5\u0022\u003EBusiness of the House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022ee34fb7e98e4474196c51f8514670714\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ee34fb7e98e4474196c51f8514670714\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Following discussions at the Business Committee, I seek leave for the House to adjourn on Thursday, 24 July and suspend on Wednesday, 30 July at the conclusion of the last valedictory statement for each day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022 data-id=\u002229402f2370aa4087afb4ed12485254a9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002229402f2370aa4087afb4ed12485254a9\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that particular purpose. Is there any objection? There is none. Leave is granted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223983fc2713d04e65a77077f15f2869c4\u0022\u003EQuestions for Oral Answer\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002288faa29b89eb481e80c35286992acac2\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b727f7834fcf438d8b198ffbf79804d7\u0022\u003ERegional Economies\u2014Employment, Development, and Economic and Social Inequality\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022 data-id=\u002270475ab0ac1a4d77afeff84bcfad8c99\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002270475ab0ac1a4d77afeff84bcfad8c99\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Leader of the Opposition)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his statements on regional development; if so, is the real median weekly income for all people in the Gisborne/Hawke\u2019s Bay region, according to the New Zealand Income Survey, higher or lower now than when he took office?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022 data-id=\u00220cd70e34af224316a0e1fd7b677aefcf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220cd70e34af224316a0e1fd7b677aefcf\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, and to the second part of the question, I am advised that there is no official series that matches what the member is asking for, but I can tell him from the New Zealand Income Survey that median weekly income from all sources in the Gisborne and Hawke\u2019s Bay region went from $500 in 2009 to $506 in 2013. For people in paid employment, median weekly earnings in that region went from $720 in 2009 to $756 in 2013.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022513e8ea4a5014e48be1478f11a907bc8\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Prime Minister confirm the New Zealand Income Survey statistics that the Gisborne and Hawke\u2019s Bay pre-tax real median weekly incomes have fallen $61 a week\u2014$61 a week\u2014that over 2,000 more people are unemployed, and that 843 people have left Gisborne since he took office?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258e92a61bbb54e81ad27486646604973\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: No, we do not accept that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002214accc4e46424430ad36966b9fb37dd7\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: After the Prime Minister has checked the Statistics New Zealand website and found that those figures are correct, will he be prepared to consider restoring the Gisborne to Napier rail line to encourage regional growth?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209d0cd00e8f2459a9a9040f4f4c8c742\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: No, I do not think that is likely. I think it is worth remembering with the Gisborne to Napier rail line that it accounted for 2 to 3 percent of freight in the East Coast. Even if revenue picked up, the service was expected to run at an annual loss of between $5 million and $8 million a year\u2014but we all know that the Labour Party runs at a loss in so many areas. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278883680c95842e6a34dca10c931ac13\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: What does the Prime Minister say to the Waikato region and, in particular, the 114 workers who have lost their jobs at Canpac in Te Rapa today, or is he now a little bit sorry that he has got a so-called rock star economy where the bottom has fallen out of the dairy market by one-third in just 6 months?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f40fd8cdfec04bcbb90c2d64d4e836d3\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: Once again, the member is wrong. The second thing I would say is that 14,000 people have not lost their jobs; 14,000 more people have jobs in the Waikato region. Fewer people are unemployed and the unemployment rate has dropped by 1.6 percent. Fonterra employs around 2,000 people in the Waikato region. Although not every job can be guaranteed, I know they will be working hard to find jobs for other people as best they can. Thirdly, what I would say to the people of the Waikato is that if you want to keep your job, vote National; if you want to lose it, vote Labour.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a473d8b7e704f5cad3884250897afec\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: If the Prime Minister will not give a straight answer today to those 114 workers whose jobs are on the line in Te Rapa, will he confirm today, as he refused to do yesterday, whether he is happy with the current situation where half the families in Kawerau live on less than $40,000 a year and a third of the town depends on a benefit, but in other areas over half the families earn over $100,000 and less than 10 percent are on a benefit? Is that fair, Prime Minister?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261206e60ede04cfcbbc56bdffcd2c946\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: I suspect that the position in Kawerau has been one that has been in that kind of condition for quite a long period of time. Secondly, one of the ways to assist the people of Kawerau is to do what the Government is doing, actually\u2014that is, both in terms of the infrastructure we are developing around the country, making sure we do not overtax our businesses with a capital gains tax as that member would, and making sure we actually have a welfare system that readies people for work and expects them actually to move into work, along with the other welfare reforms. If the member really thinks that a $200 million slush fund spent over 4 years is going to do anything, then he needs to go and review all of his other policies. When he is finished with all that, he needs to look\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022240c70ee4bbc46f99de9ee9cbcc43630\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That answer is quite sufficient. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237e25a11bec44bc2972478c696ab8630\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: Why is he so negative about the regional development fund\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022341c568094ac45ec8d12013a3f6169e4\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022491b61a4344e4c8cb5a03608dd266da2\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: Why is he so negative about the regional development fund when people actually involved in local government such as Lawrence Yule, president of Local Government New Zealand, say that Labour\u2019s regional development fund is a step in the right direction?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022252aeb700fa34eebb023f94bc356b7e7\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I call the right honourable Prime Minister, insofar as there is prime ministerial responsibility. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203e1510be1d34d72b9312411c1a44d48\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: I am not negative. If the member wants to see negative, he should see the comments that his caucus colleagues make behind his back about the member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229231564d6ba04df9a8734b49710bace4\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Prime Minister say to the people of the Bay of Plenty that he is prepared to support Labour\u2019s forestry package, which has led Red Stag Timber to commit to a 70 percent expansion of production, taking it to 1.2 million cubic metres a year, or is he happy to export raw logs and close down timber mills across the North Island and import our own timber back from China to rebuild Christchurch?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d95e48cddca4183a7c29f5405e60957\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: A number of things: firstly, Red Stag Timber is a company that has actually been expanding quite successfully over the course of the last 6 or 7 years without some random policy. The second point I would make is if the member cares so much about forestry\u2014does he? Does the member care about forestry and about logs?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7a8d125b78448dcb9310feedb8233cf\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just answer the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022846db98bbc494b63aeb559ac6a5518b6\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: OK, here is an idea: let us go and pick up the thousands of them lying on the West Coast and mill them. Oh, that is right\u2014they do not want to do that with wind-blown timber, but they want some dodgy policy for Red Stag Timber. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002263b55dc68e004aca895e3ec263ade974\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Question No. 2, Dr Russel Norman. [Interruption] Order! The member Dr Russel Norman has every right to ask a question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222f8e3198e35247e8b3f2c48e0f47e249\u0022\u003EEconomy\u2014Science and Research Funding, Export Sector, and Investment Focus\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022 data-id=\u0022a919219faeb842f784a983988abc9d98\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a919219faeb842f784a983988abc9d98\u0022\u003EDr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his Government\u2019s policies?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022 data-id=\u0022c51e57e068924afa8f9e136b984f044f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c51e57e068924afa8f9e136b984f044f\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa8dc9d51fb14808a416a9f68aaf71ee\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by his Government\u2019s economic strategy to focus on expanding simple commodity exports such as milk powder, raw logs, and minerals\u2014a pollution-based economy\u2014rather than investing in research, science, and development to create a smarter, greener economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3e08f38d73b4cbf92a5292cc7f2b706\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: The member is really away with the fairies if that is what he believes, because in every single Budget since 2009 this Government has increased its expenditure on science. This year alone we are spending $1.5 billion in that area. In fact, the science and high-tech area is growing rapidly under a National-led Government. So if the member thinks we are solely a commodity-based economy, he needs to get his head out of the clouds and look at what is actually happening around New Zealand. What I do know is when he goes around New Zealand and implements the sorts of policies he would like to do, he will be sending most New Zealand workers to the dole queue. I will be pointing that out to them over the course of the next 60 days.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ce6ef3a86a84ec1a6bdd16436dfbf10\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: Why is his Government planning to cut Government spending in science and research by over 10 percent in real terms over the next 3 years?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257c66b6e170d44b796f00cb32b7a9b59\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: The member is making it up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228353486a75c54b7989ad144272e54a5d\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Prime Minister actually read the Draft National Statement of Science Investment\u2014which the Government just issued, for the Prime Minister\u2019s benefit\u2014which says that Government investment will be dropping from $1.4 billion in 2014-15 to $1.35 billion in 2017-18 in nominal terms, which in real terms is a cut of 10 percent in 3 years?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281e7f0d02ffa4712981964b6d0fae512\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: The member is misinterpreting the data. The correct data represents what I have been saying, which is that the Government has been increasing expenditure in science and technology every year. Even in the worst of the financial conditions we have been doing that. That is why you are seeing some of the stellar results that are being delivered around the country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ede6a5a9c1c64848b3f2c28aa1c0f83a\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table a document from the Parliamentary Library showing Government investment in science to drop by 10 percent in real terms over 3 years, and 21 percent\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b97f30d00c494a7eabdb43e3b7d3a0e4\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The document has now been satisfactorily described. I will put the leave. Leave is sought to table that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5ad0513541f4cc2b5d12680dff15c97\u0022\u003EHon Steven Joyce\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223195210bb8b74e9290cdf4a2c6cc6e15\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Does the member want to speak to the point of order?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243c49d5f5dbf4447a911267d92104d05\u0022\u003EHon Steven Joyce\u003C/span\u003E: I am just interested to know what that data is from. He said data from the library, but\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002284b1f9c6a16b4c30babea6f95208c787\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member has described it. It is now over to the House. It was information prepared by the Parliamentary Library. Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022860126071ad0425a95b1d0fd0873efb5\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: Does New Zealand\u2019s prosperity lie in selling more milk powder and polluting more rivers, or does prosperity lie in investing in people and smart, green innovation\u2014something that the Government is cutting, according to its own documents?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a58959e35d142739f6823739c6ccef2\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: In relation to the last point, the member is wrong, and he knows he is wrong. In relation to the earlier points, in fact, New Zealand\u2019s prosperity lies in doing a combination of lots of things. There will be an increasing demand, I suspect, around the world, particularly from Asian nations, for continued commodities from New Zealand, but there is equally, as we can see, a rapid move up the value curve. We are seeing that with UHT milks and the like. We are seeing it with nutraceuticals. In the information and communications technology sector, generally we are seeing quite a significant expansion. We have had the manufacturing sector expanding month after month after month. The member lives in a world where he wants to believe a few things. Unfortunately, the reality does not actually fit with the narrative that he, in his own little mind, wants to believe is true. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022970f0b536a274343a9dc39dc21d3a1e8\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I will be reluctant to ask a member to leave the House, but if the member continues to interject with that barrage, then I will be doing so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022866c292182814238949fb029b8ce26ce\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: With regard to manufactured exports, is he proud of his Government\u2019s record of simplifying our export economy, given the 19 percent fall in real terms of the value of manufactured exports since the National Government took office? Real statistics, real facts\u2014just try dealing with them, Mr Prime Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a1fed671b9649febe6fc30597ce142c\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: OK, well, we will deal with the facts. Fifty billion dollars\u2019 worth of goods was exported over the last 12 months out of New Zealand. I will tell you the way to kill those exports markets. That is, one, to stop signing free-trade agreements\u2014oh, yes, that is the Green Party policy. Two\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225217e6a9209a4b7f92f25f7100c977e2\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! It is not necessary for the member to be commenting on another party\u2019s policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd01ce1cf7da4c4b804e4a8e9cf85d90\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. In relation to the answer, it is actually germane if the member is going to ask a question about a specific point about our strategy for growing the economy. It is quite fair and right, actually, to contrast\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fbc432e3105a474983ab95258f84107d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I have heard enough from the Prime Minister. On many of the questions we have had so far, members themselves have asked for comment on policies of the Labour Party and the Green Party, and in that case I will be perfectly accepting of an answer that makes comment on those particular policies. But on this particular occasion, the question did not raise any other political party\u2019s policy. On that basis, I am not accepting the answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222eba9973cae848188db1a806f14172f1\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: Is the best way to add value to our exports to simply produce more and to pollute more, or is investing in manufacturing, information and communications technology, and innovation a smarter, greener alternative; if so, why is the Government cutting spending on research and development and science, according to the Government\u2019s own predictions as confirmed by the Parliamentary Library document that his members stopped me tabling?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022036a7c60bce74f71a6a94c9f6aa58e75\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The right honourable Prime Minister\u2014either of those questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4328e5a9341420eaad5abfeae04081a\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s question was quite instructive, actually, because his argument was that to produce more, you have to pollute more. On this side of the House, we actually totally and utterly disagree with that, but it does show what the member is thinking, and that is, of course, if you want to pollute less\u2014which is something we accept the Green Party wants to do\u2014you have to produce less, and, boy, will the Greens be producing less if they ever assume the Treasury benches.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca792a15722c4edb952f693eb7e2b4a8\u0022\u003EDr Russel Norman\u003C/span\u003E: How does the Prime Minister expect New Zealand to move towards a smarter economy when New Zealand\u2019s investment in research and development has barely lifted as a proportion of GDP during National\u2019s Government, and languishes at only 54 percent of the OECD average, and, according to Government predictions, is going to drop even further?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273691f782e4b40e2a3cd257b91d9a067\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: The member is wrong. I am not surprised that the member is using dodgy numbers, because most of his policies are backed up by dodgy numbers\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca30ca36b9b64ee9b5e8bc583f81f583\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Answer the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221dca29c65edf49579734993f8a2a8cbd\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: But this is the way to grow the New Zealand economy, and that is to follow the prescription that the National Government has been following in the last 6 years we have been here. Have a tax system that actually encourages investment\u2014something that this Government has been doing. Sign free-trade agreements so that we have better access to international markets\u2014something that this Government has been doing. Invest in science and innovation\u2014something that this Government has been doing. Invest in skills\u2014something that this Government has been doing. Invest in infrastructure\u2014something that this Government has been doing. Make sure our businesses face less regulation and less red tape\u2014something that this Government has been doing. Make sure that our businesses face a fair carbon tax, not something that is disproportionate to what is happening around the world\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb9e223a3be548398cb8afa1a74fba6a\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That answer now is quite long enough.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273efc1703ec54d62bdcfe998ad1c3bb4\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: If any of what he has just said in his answers this afternoon is correct, how does he explain two things\u2014[Interruption]\u2014and, \u201CBig Ears\u201D, you can help out as well\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002270618bcacc134aa9b2712f4b7e3200a1\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Just ask the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022029bdeef1fe94f8f9c8b51f5ec019455\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Well, how does he explain two things, if any of that is true: one, the growing nervousness of the National Party backbench, and, two, the internal polls of the National Party showing him that it is well behind where it was this far out from the 2011 election? [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022298b5f5dd0c34a3087b851ebce516e7d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I have a particular interest in listening to the answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220083bcaa-f44d-4b70-97de-d091a209b88c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022631b8af61b7b47a0b1bf616e19adaf30\u0022\u003ERt Hon JOHN KEY\u003C/span\u003E: If the member genuinely believes that the National backbench is demonstrating nervousness, then what I think the member should do is look left, because out there they are terrified, buddy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f59971380b3b42a088400cca7736db0b\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022850bbd86d84a47fa960344a1b89216d7\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Members will resume their seats. I am on my feet. Now, I gather there is a point of order from the Rt Hon Winston Peters. It will be heard in silence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225df3627dacf84d78a7a12bb12bace657\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Look, I cannot let a misnomer like that start running, and the Prime Minister must not call someone \u201Cbuddy\u201D in the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0b1623c48794c2abad65c46ded6f447\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member now will resume his seat because that is not a point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c1aa358960ff4ab09a0835a6f7778897\u0022\u003EEconomy\u2014Credit Rating and Forecasts\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022 data-id=\u002247cbe48428144146a9ddf2c49b384e68\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002247cbe48428144146a9ddf2c49b384e68\u0022\u003EJOHN HAYES (National\u2014Wairarapa)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports has he received supporting the Government\u2019s economic programme?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u00229b46daac65f54cb38cbd7abd779e8e4e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229b46daac65f54cb38cbd7abd779e8e4e\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Earlier this month the credit rating agency Fitch Ratings confirmed that it had revised New Zealand\u2019s AA credit rating outlook from stable to positive. This indicates the credit rating\u2019s likely direction over the next year or two. Fitch Ratings said that the Government\u2019s fiscal consolidation and track to surplus in 2014-15 are increasing the resilience of New Zealand\u2019s sovereign credit profile, and it noted that the Government has a credible plan to lift fiscal surpluses in the years ahead and to reduce net core Crown debt to 20 percent of GDP by 2020. Fitch Ratings also said that New Zealand\u2019s economic policy framework, business environment, and standards of governance ranked among the world\u2019s strongest from a credit perspective and warranted high-grade sovereign ratings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba251f9059614c8095aa9df32a3d7fc7\u0022\u003EJohn Hayes\u003C/span\u003E: In confirming the positive outlook for New Zealand\u2019s credit rating, what did Fitch Ratings say about New Zealand\u2019s current and future economic growth prospects?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a0192952c1f42109e080dd506c3d744\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: It noted that New Zealand\u2019s macroeconomic record and prospects are supporting its credit rating. It said that real GDP grew by 2.7 percent in 2013 and is expected to increase to 3.8 percent in 2014. This will be supported by, among other factors, reconstruction in Canterbury; dairy prices, which have moderated but are still at elevated levels; and a house-building catch-up. Fitch Ratings noted that although New Zealand\u2019s average GDP growth over the past 5 years, at 1.6 percent, is lower than the median among AA rated countries, it was less volatile and was higher than the 1.2 percent median growth rate among AAA rated countries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022518728a0360f477782423efcf6d59260\u0022\u003EJohn Hayes\u003C/span\u003E: What other factors did Fitch Ratings note in respect of its positive ratings outlook for New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4ac45f521c74ed6be1cd3dde2e436c9\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: One of the factors Fitch Ratings noted was New Zealand\u2019s historical vulnerability around high net external debt and persistent current account deficits. I am pleased to report that both of these indicators have improved significantly in recent years. For example, the unadjusted current account balance in the March quarter was a surplus of $1.4 billion\u2014the largest dollar surplus ever recorded\u2014and the annual 2.8 percent deficit is well under half the deficits of around 7 percent of GDP in the 3 years to 2008. So our net international liability position has improved. It was 65 percent of GDP in March this year, well down from a recent peak of 85 percent of GDP in early 2009.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bdad73db79b7433db81004ffc64490e9\u0022\u003EJohn Hayes\u003C/span\u003E: And for my last question, what other reports has he received about the state of the New Zealand economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c5674e91b544e2a8c1f19ec4ad28a80\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I have seen one report claiming that Government debt is larger as a percentage of GDP than New Zealand had during World War II. This is completely false. Gross Government debt is currently around 35 percent of GDP. At the end of World War II it was around 150 percent of GDP. David Cunliffe has again completely misled New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220fc1763a966c4f95bd10dfa2eb007260\u0022\u003ERegional Economies\u2014Employment, Development, and Economic and Social Inequality\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u002242081623d0eb4915b1ac2373d9826d4d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002242081623d0eb4915b1ac2373d9826d4d\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Deputy Leader\u2014Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Does he agree that there are growing gaps among the regions of New Zealand, making the economy and society increasingly unbalanced; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u00224ebbc1f5bcb745fe92bb25a0247d708f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224ebbc1f5bcb745fe92bb25a0247d708f\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E No, I do not agree with that. A variety of data suggests the regions have led New Zealand\u2019s recovery. Statistics New Zealand regional GDP data shows that Bay of Plenty, Gisborne, Hawkes\u2019s Bay, Nelson-Tasman, Canterbury, Otago, and Southland, of course, all grew faster than the national average in the 5 years to 2013. The most recent ANZ Regional Trends survey shows rural regions growing faster than urban areas, and just last week I received reports from Queenstown, in my own electorate, of a significant boost from a long holiday by the Leader of the Opposition. But if the member wants to talk down the regions, then I hope he declares a crisis, because on recent established history every time Labour declares a crisis, things come right pretty quickly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f306d229ba01404d9cdbef2e83061252\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree that when the top few percent own most of the wealth the squeezed do not have enough to spend and invest and the economy will not perform to its fullest potential until the imbalance is fixed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d77f0febe2247c0afa25d4ac30ac0d6\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: No. In fact, in respect of the distribution of benefits of growth I can tell the member that the number of people on working-age benefits in Greymouth dropped 5 percent in the last year. In Blenheim it dropped 9 percent. In Napier it dropped 8 percent in the last year, and in Wanganui the number of people on working-age benefits also dropped 5 percent. Those people are now enjoying the benefits of more jobs and a stronger economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1875df800344e57b1f4971efa87cf6b\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: Then why is it that after 6 years, aside from Canterbury, the unemployment rate is higher in every region of New Zealand than it was when he took office?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fd9e60bb6b684eba9555a1ef618a7c5b\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Well, on \u201CPlanet Labour\u201D there was no global financial crisis\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b143b0719d0b431c87572633ffde4984\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Just answer the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b22714bb6b94aca92dcc642c3c81472\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and the member should take that into account when he uses those measures. Of course, in the real world, which is not where the Labour Party is, there was a major recession and unemployment did rise rapidly. Fortunately, it is now dropping consistently.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f50cb5f4768d4f0f9f9439e956865c80\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: Which regions have seen the strongest increases in economic activity?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228964b97c1b2431b9114e43142d7b4c4\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: The most recent regional trend survey shows that the strongest growth in economic activity in the March quarter was, in order, Northland, the highest, at 3.4 percent, followed by Bay of Plenty, then Waikato, then Nelson-Marlborough, then Otago, then the West Coast, and then Canterbury. ANZ reports that Northland was also the fastest-growing region in the year to March at 7.4 percent. Business confidence is at a 9-year high in the survey and the top two areas for business confidence are Otago, despite the complaints of its civic leadership, and the Waikato. As I said, the evidence tends to suggest that the regions have led the recovery not lagged it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241e3893dd19c431087b570044b9ab51c\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: Is his selective use of statistics because the latest Statistics New Zealand figures on per capita GDP show that per capita GDP in the last year has gone backwards, not just in Gisborne, Hawke\u2019s Bay, Taranaki, Manawat\u016B, Wanganui, Marlborough, and on the West Coast but also in his own province of Southland?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221852cbe6bf074206be4b685e2e134c6a\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: No, I do not agree with that. But what I do agree with is the proposition that a significant carbon tax, a capital gains tax, and water rules that mean that every river has to be absolutely pure, will have dramatic economic effects on the regions and they will all be negative. That is why the regions are turning up to meetings all over the country, to tell us how determined they are to stop the Greens and Labour taking over Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221214c11db08f4120ab85b3de10ff316e\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: How can he say that regional growth is not in balance when according to the 2013 census the gap between median household incomes in Northland and Wellington has grown to around $30,000 a year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229959a5d0f7324c92892deca2703e74d5\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I have not seen those figures, but that is a bit rich coming from the party that complains because the Government put constraint on Public Service salaries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f07b2e63b78c4047bf6a11bcbd63bc7e\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table the per capita GDP figures from Statistics New Zealand for the regions for the year ended 2013.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022066eb0635bf641d6956e10d5ee1a0869\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: If they are published by Statistics New Zealand, they are available to be referenced.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022cb75fe3fe4594faaa48a3f8f9726eff9\u0022\u003ELocal Government\u2014Rules Reduction Taskforce\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022 data-id=\u0022b7cb86c32a1942bbbb902761036535a0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b7cb86c32a1942bbbb902761036535a0\u0022\u003EMAGGIE BARRY (National\u2014North Shore)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Local Government: What recent announcements has she made about reducing red tape for property owners?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u0022fa03e84873a1492584e85293fd8471b0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fa03e84873a1492584e85293fd8471b0\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Minister of Local Government):\u003C/span\u003E Our new Rules Reduction Taskforce will weed out pedantic and loopy rules that frustrate homeowners. I constantly hear complaints from homeowners about rules brought in over years by both central and local government that are confusing, onerous, and costly, even if they are well intentioned. This task force will give New Zealanders an opportunity to submit their ideas about which rules need axing. The group will then look at what should stay and what should go, so that people can get on with the job of building and renovating, without having to wade through unnecessary bureaucracy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e984f7d995b49e5b94e1a2f263662e8\u0022\u003EMaggie Barry\u003C/span\u003E: What suggestions has she already seen about pedantic red tape?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226be8a88705cb4ef7928a0b694d07d9b8\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Is that the red scarf?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d574d32a358f47f388818e71ab157060\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: No, she did not say red scarf. She said red tape. The country has got more important things to worry about. In just a few hours yesterday more than 400 comments had been made on the Stuff website by people frustrated by loopy rules. I have heard everything, from people being told where they can put their shower curtain, to someone being told their pool fence was not compliant because a jasmine plant was growing up the side of it. I have even heard of a person being told that they had to put windows in to let the light in, even though they had just installed a ranchslider, but, of course, it was considered a door. There is no doubt that every time someone has to comply with one of these rules, it holds back what should be common sense for a property owner to be able to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d199e2a4b194a2096d35cd376ac4f04\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. In the normal way, if the Minister has been reading from official advice, I would like her to table that, please, and in particular confirm\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002223a2c42416c243f380716349f9c677da\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Was the Minister quoting from an official document?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002255509d15e1e745aa95c18775b86d79a7\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: No, I was quoting from a website.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a5ad4eb7a53446aa4a8b625c9efbde5\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223aba5e7c854b4db1aeae08f0b555c4e4\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I hope it is a point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e0c07921c2254a0a85bd142032498a18\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: Further to the last point of order, and I thank you for allowing us to proceed, to get to the bottom of the Minister\u2019s assertion\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f99206a8891740499c015833378f1f64\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Can the member come to his point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227319c4523fa04033b26cf084050369f8\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: Could the Minister please table the source regulation that she was referring to, perhaps about the shower curtain?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297deaf3619c14e558dca45d5009b948f\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That is not a point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229bb38bf53b82415e8d160e60246a6134\u0022\u003EMaggie Barry\u003C/span\u003E: What is the skill set that you are looking for for the people in the task force?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273f27b621a43498baffcdd3e5b89a8da\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: I have been thinking about people who might be of value on this task force\u2014people who know that they should not stand up and apologise for being a man, for example\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226df3595517514eccb76a5cd4abfd2deb\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225cdf6b1573d24845a7d3f5057aa5e75a\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: They are people who no longer think about red scarfs actually being what is holding them back from getting their message across. Those kinds of loopy\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e90814695dba427ab560677c76f4a459\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That answer will not help the order of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4482cc305344603a98117d48ce3ed6f\u0022\u003ESu\u2019a William Sio\u003C/span\u003E: Will her task force help to get rid of loopy, bureaucratic rules like councils being required to individually identify every tree they want to protect in their council area by street address or legal description in their council plans, at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars to ratepayers, which her Government introduced? [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f529fb05645e4f229790cde4ddebe3a1\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, brilliant! Thank you. Lovely.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277ae1238fe8e4980b5a6cf28d5c15163\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Again, members will be interested to know the answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221eac377f20f54225bb8e6b9a598405b7\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I am sure they will. Actually, it is their decision. It is not a rule that has been put in place. It is how the councils are actually administrating it. This is the kind of thing that we can cut through. We accept that Labour likes layers upon layers of rules that do not actually mean that a community can get on and do what a property owner should be able to do on their own land. The people like this\u2014it is this that they will\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ff0e7eba4184720a8e6b75271074e64\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Mr Sio referred to a specific rule that the local bodies have to comply with. That is the one I want to hear about. That is what he asked about\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224555ca323ccc47a2b3046de12534afac\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! If the member would resume his seat, he might recall the question was whether the task force would help to get rid of such a rule. If we could have a bit more quiet on this side of the House, we could hear the answer. Does the honourable Minister wish to complete\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db6f0b4478004278ac80460ec79fd091\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: I am done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223fbbca35e2914c7dac132102914aa047\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. My point of order is that Mr Sio asked a specific question and there has not been any attempt to answer it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226ea92df644b84e598e00259edd09bd7e\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I do not agree with the member. I was listening through a barrage of noise, but from the answer I heard, the Minister was saying that that is exactly the type of thing she hopes the task force will be able to get rid of. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225d53eb12088e4bc3881ed96e633d611b\u0022\u003EHousing, Affordable\u2014Impact of Government Measures\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u00221e4ecb308a26485e83670a0ef059b033\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221e4ecb308a26485e83670a0ef059b033\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD (Labour\u2014Te Atat\u016B)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing: Does he stand by his statement \u201CMy ambition in housing is to make the dream of home ownership a reality for more New Zealanders\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u00224a16c97e72704865a4ad59e627d46789\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224a16c97e72704865a4ad59e627d46789\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister of Housing):\u003C/span\u003E Absolutely, and that is why this Government has put so much work into advancing the reforms recommended by the Productivity Commission on freeing up land supply, constraining development contributions, and reducing tariffs and duties on building materials, as well as our sound economic policies, which are keeping interest rates low for longer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f273648d22214f2c993c228420bf27fb\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: Does he think that the dream of homeownership is becoming a reality for more New Zealanders on his watch when the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research shows that it now takes 50 years to pay off a home in Auckland, which means that people in their 30s will be paying off a mortgage in their 70s and 80s, or is that affordable housing under his Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc6c2a5325f344e7b6ef7edeb8404f77\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Homeownership peaked in about 1986 and has been in decline for the best part of the 28 years since. The worst decline in homeownership occurred between 2000 and 2008, when house prices doubled and interest rates went from 5 percent to 11 percent. Such long-term trends take time to work through. We are making good progress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa2868fa0f4b4ddea2ff13bb48b3044d\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: How can he boast, as he does frequently, that his Auckland Housing Accord is making a difference, when his own Cabinet papers show that Auckland Council last year was forecasting that only 7,000 new dwellings would be consented this year, and that consents are now, according to the Auckland Council chief economist, running at less than that rate under the Minister\u2019s accord, which is about half of what Auckland needs just to stand still; and is he surprised to learn that not a single new house has been built in his special housing areas since he announced them 14 months ago?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022032a33482cca4590813d2931dc6f1321\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: What I can advise the member is that the rate of building consents both nationally and in Auckland is the fastest rate in 7 years, and that we are on target to meet those accord targets of an additional 9,000 houses this year, 13,000 next year, and 17,000 the year after. I can also confirm that more residential land has been zoned by us this year than has been zoned in the last 10 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e1454c0131664f8e817f5a7981bbc4bf\u0022\u003EJami-Lee Ross\u003C/span\u003E: How does the rate of new house builds and housing affordability today compare with that when National first became Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022300d14c06176496b86f25a1deeb8bb86\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The new house build rate collapsed in 2008 to just 1,000 per month nationally and to only 200 houses per month in Auckland. The current rate is 2,000 houses per month nationally and 600 per month in Auckland. That is, we are building twice as many houses every month nationally than when we became the Government, and three times as many houses per month than were being built in Auckland. On housing affordability data, what the Roost index shows is that housing affordability nationally has improved by 26 percent since we became the Government and 17 percent in Auckland, or if you want to use the Massey University Home Affordability Report, things have improved 35 percent nationally and 25 percent in Auckland. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6bc8f1ec59c422c9e70c1831a151adb\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: Will he concede that, as shown in his Cabinet paper, for 5 years straight, under his Government, the number of building consents for new dwellings has been lower than for any year in the previous two decades, and even if he meets his Auckland Housing Accord target, he will never catch up with the shortfall?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f0cc382f32748e08a2d72111d06e184\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The record on building consents is very clear. They completely collapsed in 2008. They collapsed to the point that in November 2008 fewer houses were built than in any year in 15 years, and we are now building three times as many houses per month as when we became the Government, and I am proud of that record.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253a5fc0b38c14f68959dfbc68806254f\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave of the House to table this Cabinet paper, which shows that for 5 years straight\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022782faae8ab6f4d6a866a0a99aa38ae08\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s use\u2014[Interruption] Order! The member is describing the paper. It has been well described in his supplementary question. I will put the leave. Leave is sought to table that particular Cabinet paper. Is there any objection?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3ac7ac3798a49598be1913996251fc3\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e2c2f37a9b14215b4825a63517c8058\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I am putting the leave first for this. Is there any objection to that being tabled? There appears to be none. It can be tabled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef3002daae4b4ff5a33b45b7c78f251b\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table Statistics New Zealand\u2019s housing building consent figures\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7245f684dc74803bcc5746a246a208d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member can resume his seat. New Zealand statistics are available to all members easily.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022beb803ee28924af1a6d8077cac4721dd\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware that new figures show that property investors with multiple houses make up 43 percent of house sales, showing that property speculation is out of control, particularly in Auckland, and does he agree with Westpac that a capital gains tax would reduce the value of rental properties for speculators by 23 percent, which would make his failing housing policy fairer, and help more New Zealanders into their own homes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002290a9e5d53cdd49509bb982bc627c060a\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: All of the advice that I have seen about a capital gains tax is that it will make any difference to the housing market only if you include the two-thirds of homes that are owned by ordinary families. I do not know any political parties that are endorsing that view, but I would never doubt the capacity of members opposite to want to tax more hard-working New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222ceb79bf7eaf42b3ab7e8e831abe5435\u0022\u003ECanterbury, Recovery\u2014Lincoln University Rebuild and Lincoln Hub\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022 data-id=\u002272f8b229a26b4a1b9088d26b94ca0e5b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002272f8b229a26b4a1b9088d26b94ca0e5b\u0022\u003EHon KATE WILKINSON (National\u2014Waimakariri)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Tertiary Education, Skills and Employment: What investment is the Government making in the recovery of Lincoln University?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022 data-id=\u00225bdd98bb91f54c02a205faa043d46de3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225bdd98bb91f54c02a205faa043d46de3\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Tertiary Education, Skills and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E Last week I announced that the Government has approved in principle to provide up to $107.5 million in additional capital funding towards the rebuilding of Lincoln University\u2019s science facilities destroyed in the Canterbury earthquakes. Lincoln suffered very significant damage in the earthquakes, losing 40 percent of its academic floor space, including much of its facilities for science, teaching, and research. The Government funding of up to $107.5 million is almost one-third of the projected cost of the total campus rebuild, and will involve demolishing the badly damaged Hilgendorf and Burns buildings, and replacing them with modern new facilities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bcc3b7d9a18a4d18aaf5ea213319d08a\u0022\u003EHon Kate Wilkinson\u003C/span\u003E: Why is the Government investing in new science facilities for Lincoln University?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b772a9b27a53464090f4c7dfec3b6653\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: The Canterbury earthquakes did cause, as I said, very significant damage to the university. It has been using temporary facilities since the earthquakes. And, of course, since the earthquakes, it has had a drop in student numbers, as has Canterbury University. This funding will help the university with its rebuild programme and get it back fully on its feet. Of course, the agricultural sector, which is Lincoln\u2019s area of speciality, earns New Zealand $36 billion in exports each year, and the university is a leading player in the sector\u2019s teaching and research, helping to ensure increasing amounts of innovation in that sector. The new facilities will be a huge asset to Lincoln, significantly assisting its recovery and student numbers, and, of course, also providing opportunities for those export earnings to continue to increase as productivity increases.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e55a5106948e4b20a5ed09c052313ef2\u0022\u003EHon Kate Wilkinson\u003C/span\u003E: How does the Government\u2019s investment in Lincoln University assist the development of the Lincoln Hub?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220daf018fad4548ea9996dd1753d8dc50\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: The Lincoln Hub is a partnership between the university, Dairy New Zealand, and a number of Crown research institutes. It will be an incubator for research, innovation, and wealth creation in the agricultural sector, with one of the highest concentrations of agricultural and environmental scientists in the southern hemisphere working together to bring new ideas to market and develop new export opportunities. Part of the Government\u2019s agreement with Lincoln for this new funding is the integration of its new facilities with the other major partners in the hub. The rebuild of the university, together with the existing campus development plans of the research institutes located at Lincoln, mean we have a unique, once-in-a-generation opportunity to combine the physical operations of all these entities in one integrated campus serving 900 scientists, students, and industry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b05a18178abd4cdf828fc72743173809\u0022\u003EEducation, National Standards\u2014Student Achievement Data\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022528b199cd4d0432caf11a921836ab587\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022528b199cd4d0432caf11a921836ab587\u0022\u003ECHRIS HIPKINS (Labour\u2014Rimutaka)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: Is she satisfied that national standards data provides an accurate reflection of real student achievement; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022 data-id=\u0022de86fda22afc49818176f26bc168826e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022de86fda22afc49818176f26bc168826e\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te Mana Whakaw\u0101. Yes, I am satisfied that the reported data provides an accurate reflection of where teachers assess their students to be against the national standards at this time. This is because I back the professional judgments of teachers. National standards is in the third year of reporting, which has been remarkably consistent given the very early stages of implementation. The reporting is also far more comprehensive and systematic than anything we have had in the past. It is helpful to schools, which can now identify early and precisely who needs what kind of assistance. It is helpful to parents, who tell me they appreciate the plain English reporting and knowing what they can do to support their children to achieve. It is helpful to teachers, who tell me it has enriched their understanding of New Zealand\u2019s brilliant curriculum. It is helpful to principals, who tell me it helps them to know how their schools are doing as a whole. It is helpful to kids, who tell me they are enjoying knowing their next learning steps. With this information, schools can now turn numbers into names into needs so that five out of five can succeed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b29408b8c4cd4e79a77f49942b68469f\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: What confidence can parents have that national standards data represents an accurate picture of student achievement when the Ministry of Education is advising schools in writing to arbitrarily adjust their results from below standard to above standard in order to make their schools data add up?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228bc46c3120cd434c86baa79b8644c910\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA\u003C/span\u003E: That is absolute rubbish. That is not what is happening. What is happening is that the Ministry of Education is checking totals with schools, is checking whether the data would disclose privacy issues, and is reporting exactly what schools are telling it with those results.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022479c658662f64b8eacc99c0cbd31e8f0\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table an email from the Ministry of Education to Valley School in Pukekohe, advising it to manipulate its data. It is dated 9 May. I have removed the name of the official who sent it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c6865e3bfd24c0eb7b18f13d16ba64b\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table that particular email. Is there any objection? There is none. It can be tabled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227cf27e8fb9204ab797476dff442d9056\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Why should parents have confidence in the national standards data when the principal involved has stated \u201CWhat they are suggesting I do is in fact manipulate my data to make it fit. In this case it would make my data look better, as I would now have no Asian students in the \u2018below\u2019 category and three more Asian students in the \u2018above\u2019 category.\u201D, and that principal further went on to say \u201CI feel sorry for all parents and communities who look at the 2013 national standards data and make assumptions about school performance based on manipulated data, and I am appalled at the thought that schools will be judged and ranked based on such data.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224515c17f02f54de68898454b570f3823\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA\u003C/span\u003E: The answer to the member\u2019s question is in the very quote he read out. He is talking about four Asian students. In a school they would be identifiable if those numbers were used.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3052d3b7e2a4447a5504ec9066288f0\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Does it paint an accurate picture of a school\u2019s student achievement if the Ministry of Education is advising schools to adjust the results of students that the school has ranked as being below the standard to be above the standard?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abc1df6148d6476a97ae7b31528cb108\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA\u003C/span\u003E: It seems that the member is unable to process the answers I have been giving him. There is\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022efc5e655a7524170881bbbe4888cfa74\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226cc85f13d8b24e5ebedd3e1aaa33c69b\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I agree. I agree that it is extremely funny. The conflict here is the balance of managing the privacy of students where the numbers are so low in a school that the students would be recognised. The member\u2019s own evidence was that we were talking\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b98d6a618e74c2898b2453ba6bcd775\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Make the numbers up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223635bafd5fcb4c7391ce47d67fdf6779\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA\u003C/span\u003E: Perhaps the member would like to listen. We were talking about four students\u2014four students of a particular ethnicity being disclosed. That is not manipulation. That is in accordance with the 1993 Privacy Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d23a483b2a5f4700bc95e223fcf6d72a\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: How does it accurately represent student achievement at a school when a school is being advised by the Ministry of Education to change data so that students whom the school has assessed as being below the standard are now reflected in the school\u2019s data as being above the standard?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ead03-bf7f-496a-a02f-ce52859c58c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002215f9a5c380ea4176a79b1f50d460792d\u0022\u003EHon HEKIA PARATA\u003C/span\u003E: I absolutely reject the assertion that the ministry is adjusting its reporting. The ministry is certainly working in terms of protecting privacy. The information that is provided by schools is what is reported. Therefore parents, the public, and everyone can look at that information, and it will be available to them. Actually, it provides a systematic report to parents about what is happening, unlike Labour, which is promising to replace\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f9fe4dac36d4451a91ec277557be00f\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! That answer is now sufficient.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022111de2e3d5af4b8881c7437487318403\u0022\u003EFisheries Policy\u2014Commercial and Recreational Fishing\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022 data-id=\u0022159c48ee492b493ca1b31e42eaf724d3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022159c48ee492b493ca1b31e42eaf724d3\u0022\u003ERICHARD PROSSER (NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Primary Industries: Is he satisfied with all aspects of fisheries policy, including progress relating to the ongoing use of Foreign Charter Vessels?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022 data-id=\u002251835682c0c24a2bbc30f564ed37e5f2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002251835682c0c24a2bbc30f564ed37e5f2\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY (Minister for Primary Industries):\u003C/span\u003E Yes. The member will be aware that the foreign charter vessels bill is currently awaiting the Committee of the whole House stage. This is another key piece of work that will protect our international reputation and trade access and will maximise the economic return to New Zealand from our fisheries resources. Through this piece of legislation the Government is sending a clear message that New Zealand is serious about the fair treatment of fishing crews, the safety of vessels, and its international reputation for ethical and sustainable fishing practices. With only a few days left of House time this bill is highly unlikely to pass under this Parliament, but I am very confident that the bill will proceed under the new Parliament, given its broad support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e9f50174ea0400980db92c6619e5167\u0022\u003ERichard Prosser\u003C/span\u003E: Given that answer, will he also adopt New Zealand First\u2019s policy of excluding all trawlers from the inshore fishery inside the 12-mile limit, in order to assist in the regeneration of fish stocks and to ensure that recreational fishers have access to satisfactory catches?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226908c03e30544c06aaf412d3f2343e70\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: I have not studied New Zealand First policy, but what I will say is that it sounds better than Labour\u2019s policy, which is to bring in a recreational fishing licence for all recreational fishers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f3ae537f984149959c2d3ba06f31b5c5\u0022\u003ERichard Prosser\u003C/span\u003E: Can he give the House a commitment that he will adopt New Zealand First\u2019s policy\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cbfcfd5aa275473a88d231ebaf65d0f9\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. That misrepresentation of Labour Party policy by the Minister was out of order and\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022171b38fe39ca4981a010f3e4d810da03\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member has been here a long time. He knows the rules. If he feels that there has been a misrepresentation, a false statement, then he knows to use Standing Order 355.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f3b289c38dac49aaa2c1917a905dfc4e\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I thought that was the reason we had a Standing Order that said it was out of order for a Minister to represent what other parties\u2019 policies were\u2014because they have no responsibility for them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c7a5efc5069464c865f383204e6dc11\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I accept the point the member is making, which is that it was not helpful for the Minister to comment on Labour Party policy. The difficulty was that when the question was raised, it was raised by a New Zealand First member of Parliament, asking for particular comment on New Zealand First policy. The Minister\u2014unhelpfully to the House, I accept\u2014then commented on that and equally on another party\u2019s policy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022348327ffba74415fb9dfa6b51e391871\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Rather than going through a pile of points of order this afternoon over whether or not the Minister should have said it, it would be very easy for the Labour Opposition to seek the opportunity to make a personal statement clearing up its intention to introduce recreational fishing licences. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f00f4df5ac6d405683041fdc085462af\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That is for a member\u2014if a member is offended by it and wants to take that course of action, we will consider it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ae033205ac84cb79aa0b773aae1c9ff\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002260fa5582c5c64b09afb5a2e5b0261817\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just clarify, before I deal with this matter, whether it is a completely fresh point of order. I have dealt with the other matter. [Interruption] Order! If the member wants clarification, I invite him to come and see me afterwards. If the member wants to raise a fresh point of order, I will hear about it, but I am not having matters relitigated on the floor of this House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dac449ae21274f38bc77cc752587922e\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: I cannot understand how a question from New Zealand First that results in misrepresentation of Labour Party policy can be an answer that is within the Standing Orders. I seek clarification as to whether you were making\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b6cd0323537941038ed05310945d5e95\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will resume his seat immediately. I have advised the member, if he feels there has been a case of misrepresentation, to refer to the Standing Orders and to use Standing Order 355. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ef6ad04f9654ac8a9bf80e722df3d53\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave of the House to table a record of the meeting at which the Labour candidate for Marlborough said that they would introduce a fishing licence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235dcf1a779be4c5fb9bd3b5f651472b9\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just clarify whether it is a media article.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231291c50e6e74033b9258746c1845a74\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: No, it is a statement from a member of the public who was at the meeting. [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2edfe1d47af4f82b4e9e4ce18bd77c2\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! This is easily resolved. It is for the House to make a decision. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0f6cad614624a7cb7b87ac6db2a6ec8\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: Does the document exist?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291ebe9b0f71141d390f119d3ab179cc4\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The document clearly exists, because the member is seeking to table it. [Interruption] Order! The member will resume his seat. When I am on my feet\u2014[Interruption] Order! You are very close to being asked to leave the Chamber, Mr Parker. When I am on my feet, all members will be quiet. There is clearly a document because the Hon Dr Smith has said he wishes to table it. It is a very serious offence in this House if he seeks to table a document that does not exist. I will therefore put the leave and the House will decide whether it wants to accept that document. Leave is sought to table this particular statement. Is there any objection? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc32c82ef02f4183ac45af489d371017\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: Is it a media article?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222dc032f3f1ab4f43b1311f0670525fd1\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: We have clarified for the sake of the\u2014[Interruption] Order! For the benefit of the Hon David Cunliffe, I have already clarified from the Hon Dr Nick Smith that it is not a media article; it is a statement that was written by an attendee at the meeting. [Interruption] Order! I say to the Hon David Parker. Leave is now sought to table that document. It is in the hands of the House. If any member objects, it will not be tabled. I put the leave. Is there any objection? There is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bdff7fe35c7643f6a3bab22f5d480a78\u0022\u003EHon Trevor Mallard\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I would like to draw to your attention Standing Orders 354 and 355, which go to personal explanations and misrepresentations of members. I think we were invited to take a point of order under one of those if we felt we had been misrepresented. My submission to you is that neither of those can be used where someone is trying to correct a matter to do with a party\u2019s policy, as opposed to a member\u2019s personal situation or a comment that a member made. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab49733c91634d4da9285f948b4e7da2\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022243d96f1e8cc40598f2c7883e3ce3c8f\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I do not need assistance from the member. I am going to offer the member a further avenue for correcting this matter. In the not too distant future, when we finish question time, there will be a general debate. That will be an opportunity if the members want to do so. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cfa753ff4f9a401fad39d32dd98bdf57\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. It may be helpful for you to offer Opposition members the opportunity to use some of their general debate time to clear this matter up\u2014and I am sure they will want to\u2014but the premise that is put by Mr Mallard is wrong. A member over the other side can easily say \u201CI do not support our Marlborough candidate with his recreational\u201D\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223c03380875cd404fac2c7cb9d4e909d5\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I do not think that point of order is going to help the order of the House. I have resolved the matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225258e6a08a954b459818b805df846579\u0022\u003EHon David Cunliffe\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. It is a separate matter. I seek leave to table a document from the Parliamentary Library that shows that the increase in percentage terms of gross sovereign debt during World War II was less than the proportionate increase in gross sovereign debt under the current National Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022018f4b3cb0cf4411abb0896f4a39e3ed\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I will put the leave. The document has been prepared for the member by the Parliamentary Library. Leave is sought to table that particular document. Is there any objection? There is none. It can be tabled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022205487d9e21940c88978c8d9174a2e53\u0022\u003ERichard Prosser\u003C/span\u003E: Can he give the House a commitment that he will adopt a policy of setting consistent minimum size catch limits for both recreational and commercial fishers; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c8a4594eac724c63af7261adeed8d4fc\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: The member will be aware that there are already provisions that have been made under Snapper 1, where we are really focused on ensuring that we have more reporting coming through. We have got cameras under trial, we have got vessel monitoring systems coming in in October this year, there are move-on rules, and there are observers currently operating on foreign charter vessels.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022addda897cc42492eb86e7bfeba03280e\u0022\u003ERichard Prosser\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. That was a very good answer, but, in fairness, the question was actually whether he would make a commitment to consistent sizes, and that was not addressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dcb1f74819244f17978366895e24ac90\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I will invite the member\u2014I suspect it probably was answered, to be honest, but I will give the member the benefit of the doubt and I will invite him to ask the question again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223afd4175e6764f5f82799eb591461d06\u0022\u003ERichard Prosser\u003C/span\u003E: Can he give the House a commitment that he will adopt a policy of setting consistent minimum size catch limits for both recreational and commercial fishers; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223dbf10bcb9e84b2d8f76c8088d58dc9c\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: We already have that in place. We have a world-leading quota management system. We have sustainability fishing rounds, where we work through those fishing stocks. It is also important to note that our quota management system is one of the best in the world.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c78b003aa874b63b0ad00d2eda40107\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Is he able to give the House any idea of how many people in New Zealand might be impeded in their desire to go and catch a fish if they had to have a recreational licence for salt-water fishing, as proposed by the Labour Party?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bce6e2db49bc4494b41eeabd65dbefcd\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. That question is well outside of the Standing Orders because it includes matters for which the Minister is not responsible, and Mr Brownlee is also making it up, as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e69192fe2b4b47b38c28ede7dcf58b93\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I am not going to allow the question as asked, but I am going to invite the member to re-ask the question without the last bit. If he wants to know how many recreational fishers might be affected by such a policy, that is acceptable, but do not attribute it to any political party in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002229e4db1b1a084884914e08d0ce63890d\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: If a recreational fishing licence was required for salt-water fishing, is he able to estimate how many New Zealanders may be denied the opportunity to catch fish on the seashore or on their boat on the ocean?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222797be4de82349998210ab7e4b54d0e3\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: My understanding is hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders really enjoy recreational fishing. I cannot believe that anyone would be proposing bringing in a recreational licence scheme. That would go down like a cup of sick with all of our Kiwi mum and dad fishers, who really enjoy taking their children out and catching fish.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f5668c7b8c241a1bd4e7cbd310f7aef\u0022\u003ERichard Prosser\u003C/span\u003E: Why has the Government not taken effective action over the past 6 years to end the dumping of fish at sea by commercial fishers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022404f4325802b46cbb538fe0462f060bd\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, if the member followed the progress that we are making with the Primary Growth Partnership, he would be aware of the fact that there is a fantastic, innovative net design that is currently being trialled. It allows for fish to be caught alive, for fish to come on board the vessel alive, and for potentially new export markets to open up where fish are transported alive into high-value premium markets. This is a very exciting, innovative idea, backed by the industry, backed by the Government, and even supported by the Labour Party leader, David Cunliffe\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c21e37bf24940a59afd4f45474a9d2d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e38d8804e464b988f0492ef8aad9129\u0022\u003ERichard Prosser\u003C/span\u003E: Will he commit to securing the best possible economic return to New Zealand from our fisheries resource by adopting a policy of requiring all fish caught by commercial fishers in New Zealand waters to be landed in New Zealand and processed in New Zealand; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294776b3f551f44689cea93e88df76503\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: The member will be aware, I am sure, that fish caught in New Zealand\u2019s exclusive economic zone have to be landed in New Zealand. The majority of fresh fish bought by Kiwi mums and dads is indeed processed in New Zealand. I have just outlined initiatives where we are going to continue to add value to our fish, with the Primary Growth Partnership. It is also worth mentioning to the member that we have three fishing stocks that have been certified by the Marine Stewardship Council, which is fantastic, and the industry is working on getting more of those certified. This is a gold-plated system where we get endorsements about high quality and high value from a sustainable fishing source.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022efcfbf9524b7442caece200f2ceefaf1\u0022\u003ECrime Statistics\u2014Reporting\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u00224f098f50f0d840888e829742cbea237b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224f098f50f0d840888e829742cbea237b\u0022\u003EANDREW LITTLE (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Justice: Is she confident in the progress of the Better Public Services target for the justice sector to reduce overall crime by 15 percent by June 2017?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u00221759a496911044308bb279f21296c171\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221759a496911044308bb279f21296c171\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a80910dd122e42758cf41dc9709706da\u0022\u003EAndrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: How can she be confident that crime is reducing when according to the New Zealand Family Violence Clearinghouse, family violence investigations increased from 86,800 in 2010 to 95,100 last year, and yet her crime figures show a drop?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022844be42942cd4db18208e3c5baf344b8\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Actually, we have confidence in the New Zealand police, unlike the Labour Party. In addition to that, it is a good thing that more people are now reporting family violence. It is certainly something that when many people in this House were growing up no one spoke about and today people have confidence to come forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d0c7ed4eb32421eb7ae2caaeae3b33f\u0022\u003EAndrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: How can she be confident that crime is reducing when there are reports such as the one in the Taranaki Daily News on 10 July this year in which a Crown solicitor confirmed that a police prosecuting sergeant had instructed another officer that he should not have laid as many charges in a particular case, because of the need to reduce crime by a certain percentage?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a81d8593c6ad43a0b03fff08091f25fa\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Obviously the Taranaki Daily News is something that we all should be reading. Having said that, of course, the recorded crime rate is not on the number of prosecutions; it is actually on the reported crime. I am sure that that member, if he has a look at his notes, would find that I am correct and he is wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022828b5f25244c4aebaceefa4f548b785f\u0022\u003EAndrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: Does she accept that, as Minister of Justice, when she first discovered there had been a misreporting of crime statistics in Counties Manukau, she should have passed the information on and done something with the information to see how it would affect her justice sector targets, rather than ignoring it because she was no longer police Minister?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200484b4fd77540548db11c736e5a7f61\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, absolutely not. This Government does not deal in rumour and gossip. If, of course, we did, then I might start talking about that member talking to the Sunday Star-Times\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022167305e7a9a9427f9a1244f10e92aa41\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I do not think the answer is going to assist the order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4d84bd7d69d4b45ab53f8a84ebc2378\u0022\u003EAndrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: Will she accept that the combination of arbitrary targets and bonus payments to senior police officers is leading to manipulation and utter deceptive conduct in relation to the recording of crime figures, and that New Zealanders can have no confidence that crime is reducing, as the Government claims?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c3fb414290d4d8aba8dfde294b0a42a\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: No, that is an outrageous suggestion to make\u2014that the New Zealand police would ever, as a body, engage in that sort of behaviour. The New Zealand police are the finest police in the world, and I am proud to be part of a Government that supports the police and gives them the tools to do what they need to do. They are fantastic. I am ashamed that that member would say it. He should be saying sorry just like his leader always does.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022508f7e391ec447f192fa81c2c9faaf52\u0022\u003EFreshwater Management\u2014Water Quality of Rivers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022 data-id=\u002255f75b2ad6034c64825daa94fea17fe5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002255f75b2ad6034c64825daa94fea17fe5\u0022\u003EEUGENIE SAGE (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for the Environment: Does the Government\u2019s National Policy Statement for Freshwater Management require the 61 percent of monitored recreational river sites that are graded \u201Cpoor\u201D or \u201Cvery poor\u201D to be safe for swimming?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022 data-id=\u0022fd31b880f6e1468a9e54ac91ab9cf058\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fd31b880f6e1468a9e54ac91ab9cf058\u0022\u003EHon AMY ADAMS (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E The national policy statement requires all fresh water to be at a level that experts tell us will protect aquatic species and human health. Beyond that, it does not set requirements on a river-by-river basis. They are national standards, and above the bottom lines, it is for each community to decide what goal will be set in each case.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c9911c86aea542dcba1c641025d2202f\u0022\u003EEugenie Sage\u003C/span\u003E: Does she think it acceptable that these sites, chosen because they are popular for swimming, are actually too polluted to safely swim at and that her weak bottom lines will not make a difference?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202f3ec24704d4f298cb8e4a9ccc2aac4\u0022\u003EHon AMY ADAMS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the member is quite wrong in her assertion. First of all, what we are talking about here is 94 sites out of a total of 425,000 kilometres of waterways, and even fewer than that actually measuring as potentially at risk, and even those are generally safe for swimming most of the time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e76d809fa580420a975ba525f1256f77\u0022\u003EEugenie Sage\u003C/span\u003E: When the Minister said that we need to manage popular lake and river swimming spots for swimming, did that include the Waikirikiri Selwyn River on her doorstep, which has multiple sites that are unsafe for swimming, and which her national bottom line\u2014that rivers have to be fit only for wading and not for swimming\u2014will not clean up?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229bcc5a8a9ae348e5b8724044dfb658eb\u0022\u003EHon AMY ADAMS\u003C/span\u003E: What we have said consistently is that we trust local communities to know which sites they want to protect for swimming and to take the necessary steps to do that. I back my community to make decisions about what it wants to protect for swimming, and I am not going to impose costs on every community, every business, and every household in New Zealand because the Greens want every drainage ditch to be managed as if it was a swimming pool. It is ludicrous.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca8b054d0f904185875be9f71fde7712\u0022\u003EEugenie Sage\u003C/span\u003E: What advice has the Minister had on the cost to local authorities of multiple regional plan processes and court litigation that result from her decision to leave it to councils to determine whether rivers should be clean and safe for swimming, rather than having a national bottom line?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288cbd5f57a2f4f9d9d1fe09886442a97\u0022\u003EHon AMY ADAMS\u003C/span\u003E: What I can tell that member is that, of course, at the moment\u2014and the situation that that member\u2019s party was quite happy with when it was in a position to do something about it\u2014these decisions are entirely for councils, the difference being that at the moment the Government provides no assistance, no national consistency, and no standardised science. That is what we have done and that will significantly reduce the time and the cost on each community in making those decisions. I am just surprised that member does not back local communities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aab3a4b598ed4578a3cceb5ed1ffac0c\u0022\u003EEugenie Sage\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm that she is abandoning annual reporting on recreational river quality in the suitability for swimming indicator report because the National Government is trying to hide the bad news?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022456c6708d99c4233a889409a9baac408\u0022\u003EHon AMY ADAMS\u003C/span\u003E: That member well knows that we are moving to the most comprehensive system of environmental reporting that this country has ever had, under which water quality will be reported twice in every 3 years\u2014a system, by the way, that did not exist in 2007 when the Greens were propping up a Labour Government that picked and chose what information it wanted to give to the public.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220cfcfc1db9e64a47b52cf133f37c30c0\u0022\u003EAotea Conservation Park, Auckland\u2014Establishment\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022 data-id=\u002220ac757645c945acba740e012d7d0cfd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002220ac757645c945acba740e012d7d0cfd\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR (National\u2014T\u0101maki)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Conservation: When will the new Aotea Conservation Park in Auckland announced on Sunday be formally gazetted and opened?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u00226f2e1f18a8ca41a3881c9290bc29498f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226f2e1f18a8ca41a3881c9290bc29498f\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister of Conservation):\u003C/span\u003E I have made the decision to proceed with the Aotea Conservation Park proposed by local MP Nikki Kaye last October, but the formal gazettal and opening has been delayed by the recent storm damage to tracks and facilities on the island. The decision to proceed with the new park enables the tracks and facilities to be rebuilt to the higher standard and to recognise the new Aotea Conservation Park. This is expected to cost $2.5 million and will be completed over summer. The Department of Conservation\u2019s intention is to open the new park early next year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002211259267401642a1a580fb71d078b117\u0022\u003ESimon O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: How does this new park compare with others in Auckland, and were any changes made during the process of consultation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0acebab757049e69a1904e6c1314950\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The new park is 12,109 hectares, and it will be the largest Department of Conservation park in Auckland. It will be similar in size to the two regional parks in the Hunua and Waitakere ranges. The significance of this park is that it is the largest forest that is possum and stoat - free anywhere in New Zealand. It is particularly rich in trees like p\u014Dhutukawa, kauri, and tree daisy and birds like k\u0101k\u0101 and brown teal, and it has the largest population of black petrel anywhere in New Zealand. There were 2,800 submissions on the proposal. On the basis of representations from the Auckland Council, I decided to exclude a small area that it required for a small cemetery.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00220443b31986d54860bc58abc86fc16f3a\u0022\u003EGeneral Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220a504af14cd14dcd9f49389b10b9eebb\u0022\u003EGeneral Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022 data-id=\u0022a9e813bc0d6d43b1826794cdb79bc014\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a9e813bc0d6d43b1826794cdb79bc014\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Economic Development):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the House take note of miscellaneous business. In the general debate this afternoon I think we should, on this occasion, start with apologies. I think we should start with apologies. I would like to lead off with a few apologies. No. 1: I am sorry for being a man. Has that been done before? [Interruption] Oh, OK, I will try this one\u2014I will try another one. I am sorry for having a holiday. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264108f6822f44d37a5a4ab3dbaa10e4a\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s been done before, too.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a955870dfbb46898b20c15b60d4bc87\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, OK. I am sorry for wearing a red scarf. [Interruption] No. Oh, I know\u2014I am sorry for having a moa resuscitation plan. That has got to be new\u2014that has got to be new. [Interruption] No? Another one\u2014for you, Mr Speaker: I am sorry for having a secret trust. That would be\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264b61e08fede40bc81a4e69ff84809ae\u0022\u003EHon Bill English\u003C/span\u003E: No, that\u2019s been done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022369e5fbea8b44ef6b621ce6f43706c47\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: That has been done? I am sorry for not telling you about my secret trust, Mr Speaker. Has that been done? And, most of all, Mr Speaker, I am sorry you found out about my secret trust. I have another one: I am sorry for being tricky. That has been done before? Well, we have seen a lot of apologies, but from now on I am going to be straight up. I am going to stick to the Labour knitting. That is what I am going to do, with the exception of the scarf. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003EThis train is leaving the station. It has left a few times before, but this time it is definitely leaving the station. This is my team. This is my team, except, to be fair, Shane Jones. He is not on the team any more, no. Dover Samuels\u2014he is not on the team any more. Andrew Little\u2014he is not really on the team any more. Damien O\u2019Connor and Rino Tirikatene\u2014they are not really on the team, because they crossed the floor. But aside from Shane Jones, Dover Samuels, Andrew Little, Damien O\u2019Connor, and Rino Tirikatene, this is my team. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a22bd368ccc54a6bb64bb7b64ddea1dc\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: What about Annette?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9055dfdc1984c4d8e8bd51c36d87f9e\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, actually, not Annette. She is not really on the team, either, or Phil, because they work hard. They get out in the country, working hard. Clayton is not really on the team. To be fair, I do not think he has ever been on the team. Trevor is not so much on the team\u2014not really on the team. But aside from Shane, Dover, Andrew, Damien, Rino, Annette, Phil, Clayton, and Trevor, this is my team. This is my team. Well, actually, you have got to exclude Grant, to be fair, because Grant is not really on my team, or David Parker\u2014he is not on the team\u2014or Chris Hipkins. He is not on it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003EI am not sure about Stuart Nash. I think he is on the team. He must be on the team because he said: \u201CIt wasn\u2019t me.\u201D He said in the Hawke\u2019s Bay Today that he denies the claim that he criticised Cunliffe, although, on the other hand, he also said this: \u201CI must admit when I read it [the newspaper quoting the party source], apart from the swearing, it sounds a little bit like me.\u201D \u201CIt sounded like me.\u201D, Mr Nash said. And he said that he was not the source and that the comments could have come from \u201Cany of the 15,000 members who were out putting up hoardings in the rain or delivering pamphlets in the cold or this sort of carry-on\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003ESo this is my team, except for Shane Jones, Dover Samuels, Andrew Little, Damien O\u2019Connor, Rino Tirikatene, Annette King, Phil Goff, Clayton Cosgrove, Trevor Mallard, Grant Robertson, David Parker, Chris Hipkins, Kelvin Davis, Stuart Nash, and the 15,000 members of the Labour Party who would have said what I did not say in the newspaper. That is my team. It is game on\u2014it is game on. The Labour Party is marching to the election, united as a single team. That is what is going on. And, of course, we now have the regional growth policy, which we share with the Greens. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003EThe regional growth policy\u2014here it is. It is out today: one, put a capital gains tax on every productive business; two, have a carbon tax at five times the current price; three, introduce big levies for the use of fresh water; four, restore a national awards system, which would force regional employers to pay what they pay in Auckland; five, stop any more trade deals; six, clamp down on the dairy industry; seven, clamp down on the oil and gas industry. And then, the coup de gr\u00E2ce, when that has all been done and the regions have all fallen over, is to give them a $200 million slush fund to make them feel better. The Labour Party should apologise for that, as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u002211bf97406cb44d2089cb9f9e9203ff24\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002211bf97406cb44d2089cb9f9e9203ff24\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E For a time during that speech from Mr Joyce, I thought that his underpants were on too tight. New Zealand First wishes to raise an important matter going directly to competent, accountable Government. We are aware of serious complaints against a Mr Bryan Staples and his companies operating in Christchurch on a range of matters. Reliable information has come to us of a long list of fraudulent practices carried out by Bryan Staples and his various companies. Mr Bryan Staples has used his companies to defraud, mislead, and cheat people\u2014[Interruption]\u2014and it is not a laughing matter, I say for Jami-Lee Whyte\u2019s benefit. We want to set out the nature of the serious concerns that we are raising today, which have been raised with authorities, which have clearly failed to act to apprehend and stop this man\u2019s so-called business activities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EThe main activity of complaint was his companies\u2019 purporting to carry out technical inspections of properties for earthquake compensation purposes, which neither he nor his companies and the people they employed were qualified to do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed5b4fa151ba49b08de2137b2cbdf286\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220163c6e761314b9784acbe9af5891712\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: It is not a laughing matter, Mr Brownlee. They were paid, but did not actually provide genuine technical reports. The reports supplied were useless. His companies and Mr Staples also employed a number of subcontractors who carried out work on damaged properties. Mr Staples and his companies got paid but the subcontractors did not, I say to Mr Jami-Lee Whyte\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f9d3aa9deb849098980fbc446d5d9a2\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002282733aadbe584c20948926af74679051\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014Ross, rather. We understand that he and his companies had no intention of paying numerous subcontractors. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EMr Staples carried out work and registered for GST as a business, and he accepted payment for work, which he then issued GST invoices for, but he did not file returns nor pay the GST. It would also appear that Mr Staples directly instructed his company and his employees not to pay GST. It appears he employed the old tactic that whenever people demanded payment, he began to pretend that there was a dispute. Then Mr Staples would use every delaying tactic possible, never intending to actually defend any claim nor pay any part of it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EHe also brought in Filipino workers under contract. There are two issues. How did he get these people by Immigration New Zealand and the Ministry for Business, Innovation and Employment, and how did he influence those two departments to allow these people in? It is clear from the evidence that he had no intention of treating these immigrant workers lawfully, which raises the issue of why, before they obtained immigration status, these two departments did not do due diligence to avoid such breaches of our employment law. The second issue is that he simply did not pay these Filipino workers. He left them in dire straits. He and his companies failed to make Inland Revenue Department returns or make payments of PAYE tax for the Filipino workers. He instructed his company employees not to file PAYE returns and not to pay their PAYE taxes. The list goes on, but in the time available those are the main matters that we have got to say today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EMy concern is that if New Zealand First is aware of them, what on earth is going on with the Minister and the relevant Government departments? The Inland Revenue Department, the Ministry for Business, Innovation and Employment, the Serious Fraud Office\u2014what have they been doing? There has been no firm action from these agencies. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224de2cb1c850843bfbc005018abe20c4d\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: You were backing Mr Staples 12 months ago.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6bba8bfdf264a67824a551d5be9d7a3\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: I ask Mr Brownlee to stop bleating and explain what you have not done. Why do you not get off your broad half-back and do something for these people down there who are not being paid and being robbed blind as immigrants? The so-called pro-immigrant party could not give a tinker\u2019s damn about them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EMr Staples is the man, of course, who has been painting himself on TV as the modern Robin Hood. Well, he is halfway there. He is taking from ordinary people, but he is not giving to the poor. He is Robin Hood in reverse. Mr Brownlee and Mr Dunne and Mr Joyce\u2014what have you not done and why have you not done it? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EI want to close with this statement about an MP who is now escaping scrutiny by Parliament and by the media because she has gone to ground. You see, she misused her credit card.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002229a0317eb9a5484b962bae9d8864c472\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, $150. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022400a6a9a7fc04aacaaa4c07121739235\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, no, no. Mr Key made the call on Sunday night because there were blatant financial irregularities that neither she nor the National Party could reconcile. That is a fact. The second thing is that Mr Key said that her breaches were unintentional and that he was \u201Cnot aware of further misspending\u201D. Then he claimed that he did not have any advice on that. That is false. He does. I want to know why someone can just say \u201CI\u2019m not standing at the next election.\u201D and there is no punishment, no chastisement. She just says \u201CI\u2019m not going to stand.\u201D and goes to September being paid full pay as an MP and then for 3 months after that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a536d3c2-6293-4216-b0bd-dfec1bd6f40c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223815b1efc5a64e9dab2f7fc4801666ce\u0022\u003EAndrew Williams\u003C/span\u003E: Five more months.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c1450118dda140f78c516223bf16eb2c\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: For 5 more months\u2014someone who has badly breached the parliamentary rules, far beyond $200, the lousy amount that those Ministers over there are shouting about. You have got the Minister of Police and all sorts of Ministers, all the way to the Prime Minister, giving assurances. Let me tell you about Mr Key\u2019s statement. He said: \u201CI pledge greater transparency\u201D\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022 data-id=\u0022a7820506ea9b4633818987d4d20436ba\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a7820506ea9b4633818987d4d20436ba\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s time has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022 data-id=\u00226dcc0d088069452b9954ac1bfe7c6516\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226dcc0d088069452b9954ac1bfe7c6516\u0022\u003ETE URUROA FLAVELL (Co-Leader\u2014M\u0101ori Party):\u003C/span\u003E Speaking of individuals, not that I do want to, I note that Colin Craig wants to be an MP, and Colin Craig introduced his latest attempt at a headline by calling it a wild and crazy idea. He is not wrong there. But more than that, the Conservative Party\u2019s policies to get rid of the M\u0101ori seats, shut down the Waitangi Tribunal, and implement one law for all are ignorant, are dangerous, and are not welcome in the political system of our country. It is election time and once again political parties that are in trouble choose to pull the race card out of the hat to scratch the redneck part of our society. I can tell you that M\u0101ori are sick of it, as is this nation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EPoliticians have a responsibility to educate and inform, not act in such a way as to provoke racial division and tension. New Zealand needs leaders who understand that indigenous rights are human rights, that cultural diversity and representation are good for democracy, and that the constitutional basis of our nationhood lies in Te Tiriti o Waitangi. I for one am proud to say that this has been the consistent call of the M\u0101ori Party since we first entered this Parliament. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EWe want all aspiring members of Parliament to understand that dedicated M\u0101ori electorate seats distinguish our democratic process here in Aotearoa. Actually, we must not forget that the first race-based law was introduced in 1858 and was called the English Laws Act. It was one single statute that imposed the culture, customs, and conventions of Britain on all New Zealanders. The M\u0101ori electorate seats are a conversation between M\u0101ori and the Crown\u2014not for the majority of New Zealand making a decision for a minority. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EAs the Chief Judge of our court Taih\u0101k\u016Brei Durie said: \u201CLike the Treaty of Waitangi, the M\u0101ori parliamentary seats stand as an enduring symbol of their constitutional status\u2014and historic statements of principle, like symbols, are essential tools in re-building our national identity.\u201D Ever since the English Laws Act we have been in catch-up mode, trying to build a more representative Parliament that encompasses all New Zealanders, not just those with a British passport. The M\u0101ori seats have been an important mechanism to try to protect and develop M\u0101ori interests. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EColin Craig needs to know that his party has no right\u2014no right\u2014to step in and try to take the rights away from tangata whenua. Only tangata whenua have the right to determine what is in our best interests. As parties to the Treaty, M\u0101ori should at least be guaranteed representation in the organs of k\u0101wanatanga. In the past Labour tried measures like the Foreshore and Seabed Act, and it opposed the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\u2014and look how that went down. We have been down that track before and we do not want a repeat run. The reality is that the New Zealand Government, after advocacy from the M\u0101ori Party, signed up to the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in 2010 and it is here to stay. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EIn fact, the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples states that indigenous peoples have the right to participate fully, if they so choose, at all levels of decision making in matters that affect their rights, lives, and destinies through representatives chosen by themselves in accordance with their own procedures. So we are where we should be, and we should not have to put up with the divisive rants of some. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EWe have had over 170 years of attempts at assimilation, from various politicians and parties, and we continue to suffer from the consequences of those sorts of policies today. The old assimilation policy is hidden behind a few new terms and slogans, such as \u201Cone law for all\u201D, or \u201Cwe are all one people, we are all Kiwis\u201D, and even \u201Csome of my best friends are M\u0101ori\u201D. But the intention is the same, and we know all about that. In this day and age there is no place for political leaders who know nothing about our history and know nothing about us. There is no excuse for being ignorant and we, the people, will never ever tolerant policies that aim to take away from us, without our informed consent. That will not happen. M\u0101ori must make decisions about M\u0101ori representation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u0022fcd8832dbd9a4329a260d1521ac16df1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fcd8832dbd9a4329a260d1521ac16df1\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E It is always a pleasure to follow Mr Te Ururoa Flavell. He is always a thoughtful speaker, and I think he has put a lot of effort into what he has had to say today. I would like to say, however, that I am actually feeling a little bit sorry for David Cunliffe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229323461490f440dd8968c64529a34643\u0022\u003EDr Cam Calder\u003C/span\u003E: No!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b2a6d765f6b14767984a07929af91e83\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I am, because I know he is sorry for everything. But what I am really sorry about is that poor old David Cunliffe\u2014we saw it today; the lack of discipline in his party. Where was the shadow Leader of the House? Was he popping up and down? No, it was David Parker trying to take on that role. Then we had Trevor Mallard trying to take on the role. Then we had Grant Robertson finally getting himself out of his seat to raise a point of order and to try to take over the role. What we saw today, in question time, were leadership bids going on for post this election. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EPoor old David Cunliffe. You would have to wonder. He has had so much advice given to him today. I think the press was pretty good today. Members of the press told him to stop saying sorry. Actually, he cannot. He has started now. He is sorry for being a man. Well, I can tell the House that 49 percent of New Zealanders are men. They should not be sorry for being men, just as someone like me, who is a mother, is not sorry for being a mother, even though there are some mothers who kill their children, or beat them, or whatever. I am not sorry for being a mother. What I am sorry for is that they are mothers. That is what David Cunliffe should be saying. Instead, what he said to all men in New Zealand was that they too should feel ashamed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EHe was also sorry to be on holiday. Well, he should just stay away, really. He is sorry for not knowing what was happening in the polls. He would be the only one in New Zealand who was not aware. He is sorry that he has got Trevor Mallard on the moa farm. I think it is fair enough that Trevor Mallard wants a moa farm. It would be a bit funny if he had a duck farm, would it not? He is sorry he has got a do-up in the elite suburb of Herne Bay. He is sorry that Grant Robertson spent 3 years of parliamentary time talking about the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB). It is not an issue, I have to say, that anyone in the Papakura electorate has raised with me. That is probably because we have got an army camp in the town, and they actually like having some help from the GCSB. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI would also say to that member\u2014what is his name? Williams from New Zealand First\u2014Mr Williams. I cannot remember his first name, sorry. He has got a policy about drunkenness in a public place. I bet he is sorry too. I bet he is sorry. I just wonder whether his leader thinks that Parliament is a public place, or else he will be sorry as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003ELabour has got a man ban. Its members are sorry about that. But I thought, apart from the man ban, what was really good, what I really loved, was the cosmetics ban. Who did they have to run it? Trevor Mallard. What would Trevor know about cosmetics? What would Trevor know? I see Su\u2019a William Sio laughing away, because he would have thought that there are lots of other people in the Labour Party who are much better qualified than Trevor to run an anti-cosmetics campaign. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EThen we would have to say that David Cunliffe could also be sorry for undermining Phil Goff when he was leader. He could be sorry for undermining David Shearer. But I think most of all he should be sorry for being so jealous of Shane Jones that he drove him out of Parliament. That is what he really should be sorry about, because Shane actually has charisma and a personality, and he has got followers, which poor old David Cunliffe does not have. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EBut over on this side we are not sorry at all. We are really proud of the hard work that we are doing. In the justice sector we are so proud of the police and of corrections staff. I am proud of my colleagues, I am proud of the courts, and I am proud of my Ministry of Justice. I am proud of the team that we have\u2014the Attorney-General, the Minister for Courts, the Minister of Police, and the Minister of Corrections. I am proud of the fact that we have a team that is united and working for New Zealand, not working for the Labour Party flunkeys over on the other side of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022 data-id=\u002261971f90984d4989a052bea30c4352ee\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002261971f90984d4989a052bea30c4352ee\u0022\u003ESUE MORONEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E For the National Government members, of course, it is politics as usual this afternoon, along with their lame jokes and their nasty little gibes that they are coming out with. Meanwhile, the regions lie bleeding\u2014meanwhile the regions lie bleeding\u2014and they laugh. Anne Tolley finds that funny. Well, Mrs Tolley, go and face those 114 workers in Hamilton who have had news today that their jobs are going. Laugh in their faces, and see how that one goes. On this side of the House we are talking about the issues that matter to people\u2014the issues that matter to people\u2014because those people, under that Government, are losing their jobs. It is not only those people but their families who will be affected. There are 114 more jobs going from the Hamilton economy, as if we can afford that. This comes on the back of 130 jobs going from New Zealand Post\u2014yes, a Government-owned entity. One hundred and thirty jobs had already gone from New Zealand Post in Hamilton\u2014yes, a Government-owned entity\u2014from their distribution centre. About 200 jobs have gone from the Huntly mines over the course of the last few years\u2014yes, a Government-owned entity. The Government is pulling out of town in Hamilton and it is hurting. It is hurting our economy. But there are other jobs that are going as well\u2014120 jobs went a few months ago from the Goodman Fielder factory in Frankton, the Hutton\u2019s plant, and 180 jobs are set to go next year from AgResearch in Ruakura, Hamilton\u2014yes, a Government-owned entity. The Government is pulling out big time in our city. Unemployment is going up, and the economy is suffering as a result. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EThe members over there have gone a little quiet. Well, so they should because in the Waikato region unemployment is going up\u2014it is going up. In March 2013, when you could have argued that the global financial crisis was still at its height, there was 5.6 percent unemployment in the Waikato region. In March 2014, when we were supposed to be climbing out of the global financial crisis, there was 7 percent unemployment in the Waikato region. It is going backwards, and that is under the National Government. Unemployment is rising and GDP per capita is going backwards in that same region. Yet the Waikato region should be humming. It should be humming. It is coming off the back of the highest dairy prices that we have ever had in this country. In the Waikato region that should mean plenty of jobs and better economic activity. But under this sorry Government, with its lack of a regional economic development plan, guess what? Unemployment is going up in the Waikato. It is the dairy giant region of the world, and this Government cannot get it right. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EWhat is the Government doing in the Waikato region, in an area that should be humming, with the high dairy prices that there have been? Well, it is pulling out the agricultural scientists from the Waikato region. How dumb is that? This is from a Government that has no strategy for delivering to regions\u2019 strengths. When those 180 jobs come out of Ruakura, there will be more money out of our local economy and there will be more jobs down the track after that. As it is, there are 114 jobs under threat today at Canpac in Te Rapa, in the electorate of Tim Macindoe. He asked a question at question time today about regional economies, and not once did he mention the 114 jobs going in his own electorate, because he does not care. He does not care about those jobs going, and I think that is a disgrace. But with those jobs going, $6 million in spent wages will come out of the local Hamilton economy every year, from losing those jobs. Do you know what is going to happen next under this Government? There will be more jobs from our local economy after those wages stop being spent there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EA Labour-led Government has a plan for regions like the Waikato. We just yesterday announced a plan to put $200 million into the regions to ensure that we can actually create jobs, improve economies, and take care of the regions. Well, they may joke while the regions lie bleeding, but in the Labour Party we are making a plan for regional economic development so that we can actually improve those economies, get jobs in there, help families, and make a difference.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022 data-id=\u0022c627b0e6479e4414b919bcfee687e4f3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c627b0e6479e4414b919bcfee687e4f3\u0022\u003EHon CRAIG FOSS (Minister of Commerce):\u003C/span\u003E I would, first of all, like to acknowledge my colleague, my good mate the Hon Chris Tremain, CJ, who has obviously just run a quick triathlon or something in the last 40 minutes. It seems like just yesterday that the two of us turned the bay \u201Cblue\u201D. CJ turned the good seat of Napier to National, after 52-odd years of Labour representation\u2014a feat that will go down in history. He has done such an awesome job, with his passion for and love of our province and Napier. He is just a top man. Also, his achieving the status of Cabinet Minister, the first Napier MP to be a Cabinet Minister\u2014CJ, you\u2019ve done really well, mate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EThe joint sheer drive between myself and Chris for an even better Hawke\u2019s Bay, being relentlessly positive for our beautiful bay, has been recognised by the good people and the voters in the Hawke\u2019s Bay, as the party vote for National across the Hawke\u2019s Bay has increased in each and every single election since. In fact, it has increased to the point where my opponent and the Opposition candidates up there this time are not even campaigning for the party vote. They are not even on the list this time. I have got plenty of stories I would love to tell. I have got only a few minutes, but I also know that Chris\u2019 valedictory is pretty soon and he will have the last word, so I had better not wind him up too much. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EOf course, there has been interesting attention on the regions in the last few days\u2014fair enough\u2014but I would just like to note that like the rest of New Zealand, the region of the Hawke\u2019s Bay is actually performing very, very well. It has awesome opportunities in front of it and good leadership, and there is commitment, faith, and confidence in our region. We will continue to absolutely fly. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EInterestingly, with Labour\u2019s announcement yesterday, I would just like to note that the last time Labour paid any attention to the province of Hawke\u2019s Bay or the region was actually when one David Cunliffe as health Minister sacked our district health board. Incidentally, the health board has since been essentially re-elected and essentially unchanged, twice. I do note that his last commentary on the Hawke\u2019s Bay was his famous quote where he described our health board of the time\u2014remember, this is the man who wants to be New Zealand\u2019s Prime Minister\u2014and he overreached. Yes, there was a situation in the Hawke\u2019s Bay. He overegged it. He overreached, and basically he stuffed it up. He described the good members of the Hawke\u2019s Bay District Health Board at that time as a nasty mess of self-perpetuating provincial elites. That is from the mouth of the person who wants to be the Prime Minister for New Zealand and the regions. We should note that that was the last time he paid any attention. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EIncidentally, he is now busy saying sorry for being a man. He is saying sorry for wearing a scarf. He is saying sorry for being sorry. He is saying sorry for all sorts of things. But you know what? It would not take much, but he is yet to apologise and say sorry for what he did to the Hawke\u2019s Bay District Health Board. Yes, it was a few years ago, but, quite frankly, that shows the nature of the man who wants to be the Prime Minister of New Zealand. If anyone wants to know what he is like under pressure, have a look at how he reacted, have a look at the paperwork, and have a look at the affidavits of what he did to the Hawke\u2019s Bay District Health Board. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003ENational is continuing to promote initiatives across the country and in the regions. Hawke\u2019s Bay is one. Across the Hawke\u2019s Bay, due to our policies, we have seen 27 more full-time equivalent doctors. We have seen 116 more full-time equivalent nurses across the Hawke\u2019s Bay just in the last few years. There is about a 100 percent increase in foot patrols of police on the beat in eastern districts in 2013, and crime is low. There has been an investment of $2 million in the clean-up of rivers in the Hawke\u2019s Bay, and 13,322 Hawke\u2019s Bay homes have been insulated because of the good policies of this National Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022659f6556-09a1-4ead-bc52-05cbdb4eaab8\u0022\u003EI acknowledge again my good mate CJ Tremain. Hawke\u2019s Bay is in a much better state because of the work you have done and because of your passion for our province. Cheers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022 data-id=\u0022f672e3c6a6644410acf548cacf75d1f6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f672e3c6a6644410acf548cacf75d1f6\u0022\u003EDr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E Together it is possible to build a cleaner, fairer, smarter New Zealand\u2014a New Zealand in which our rivers are clean enough to swim in again and our beaches are safe from oil spills, a New Zealand in which every child has enough to thrive, and a New Zealand that is built on a smarter, greener economy that benefits every one of us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003EHowever, this vision of a richer country is not the New Zealand that National has left after 6 years in Government. Under National, two-thirds of our monitored river swimming sites are now so polluted that they are considered unsafe for swimming. Swimmable rivers are a birthright of our children, but the opportunity to swim in our sea and our rivers is not the only birthright that National is denying our children. There are 35,000 more children in severe poverty in New Zealand now than when the National Party was elected to Government. Fifty percent of all New Zealanders have seen no real increase in their net income at all, once housing costs are taken into account. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003EIt is really no surprise that only a small number of New Zealanders are getting ahead under this Government. National\u2019s pollution economy is jobs poor. It favours low-value, simple commodities over high-value innovation. Evidence of National turning its back on an innovation economy is its plan to cut Government research and development spending by 10 percent in real terms over the next 3 years, according to its own statistics. Three more years of National is not a safe option for New Zealand. Three more years will put our environment, our children, and our economy at risk. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003EThe Green Party has a comprehensive plan for a cleaner, fairer, smarter New Zealand. We will make our rivers clean enough to swim in once again. In Government, the Greens will establish a protective rivers network to permanently safeguard our most precious rivers. We protect the best of our habitats and our landscapes in national parks; we can do the same for our rivers. We will also keep our wild rivers wild by not building any new dams on our wild rivers. We will put in place proper water rules that ensure that no New Zealand river is allowed to degrade further and that our rivers and lakes are clean enough for swimming once more.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003E New Zealanders have a choice: the Green Party\u2019s plan for rivers that are clean enough to swim in, or National\u2019s plan for polluted rivers that are so polluted that even if you touch them, if you dip your toe in them, you have a serious risk of a serious infection. I know which option I prefer. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003EPersistent and damaging poverty and inequality, another legacy of this Government, grate with the sense of who we are as a nation. But child poverty can be eliminated. We need to have a plan, and the Green Party has a credible and costed plan to ensure that all New Zealand children have enough to thrive. For a start, in Government, the Green Party will extend the 20 hours early childcare subsidy to every 2-year-old. For parents of the 40,000 children aged between 2 and 3 years who currently miss out on the 20 hours of funding support, this will mean they will be up to $95 a week better off. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003EAt the same time as reducing the cost of early childhood education to parents, we will embark on an ambitious plan to improve the quality of early childhood education for all our children, starting with restoring full funding to those centres that employ 100 percent trained teachers. Good quality early childhood education has a profound lifelong impact on a child, one the Government simply does not understand. It can mean starting school ready to learn and being in a position to get the most out of education. Research shows that investing in early childhood education is one of the most effective investments a society can make. For every dollar spent on early childhood education, between $3 and $16 is returned. The Greens will invest in our kids so they can thrive, and we will get them out of National\u2019s poverty trap. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eb49ee66-7ca7-472d-a4a1-b099fd594dfa\u0022\u003EIt is time also to get serious about building a smarter economy. If we want to provide for our social needs and aspirations, we need to be at least as innovative as other nations. That means making high value-added manufactured goods and services, and not simply selling commodities like raw logs and milk powder, as is the National Party\u2019s plan. To kick start a transformational shift in how our economy creates wealth, the Green Party will invest $1 billion in new Government funding into research and development, unlike cutting it, as the Government proposes. We will also fund an additional 1,000 places at tertiary institutions for students of engineering, mathematics, computer science\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226ff66cb1b7bc4e69bff212c21effc6c2\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s time has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022 data-id=\u002271a92d79bca2425ca309fb1842b55c41\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002271a92d79bca2425ca309fb1842b55c41\u0022\u003EIAN McKELVIE (National\u2014Rangit\u012Bkei):\u003C/span\u003E That speech by Russel Norman was without a doubt one of the most boring obituaries I have ever heard in my life. It was, in my view, a gross misuse of facts to run down rural New Zealand. It will not help our cause. Regional New Zealand has faced its share of challenges in the past 40 years as our population and economy have adjusted and acclimatised to change. The progress we have made in the past 6 years under this Government is now having positive effects as the buoyant world food market and demand lifts farmer confidence, optimism, and ability to invest further in their industry. New tourism initiatives such as the Forgotten World Adventures, cycle trails, and walking tracks are appearing. The growth in these businesses is leading to new opportunities for growth and investment in our regions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EThe announcement in Levin last week by Ministers Joyce and Guy of an ambitious plan to double my region\u2019s agribusiness production by 2025, after some early feasibility studies by mayors Margaret Kouvelis and Jono Naylor, who of course is the very good candidate for National in Palmerston North, is another example of a proactive Government determined to enable our regions. The interesting point to note is that this agribusiness strategy is not all about increasing agricultural production, as the previous speaker would have us believe. It includes science, tourism, and the manufacturing sectors, which complement our traditional farming activities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EFresh water is critical to the future of our country and the Rangit\u012Bkei, as tourism and farming rely heavily on our pristine environment for our futures. The Government has invested heavily in this area, adding a further $12 million to it in the Budget just passed. This is on top of $350 million already committed to lake and river clean-ups, and the $101 million already spent in this Government\u2019s term. The Rangit\u012Bkei has three of New Zealand\u2019s major rivers\u2014the beautiful Whanganui River, which is a beautiful river and a great tourism opportunity for that region and certainly for the electorate of the member sitting next to me; the Manawat\u016B, the subject already of a considerable amount of clean-up funding and, of course, New Zealand\u2019s first river accord; and, of course, the Rangit\u012Bkei, one of the best fishing rivers in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003ENational has also developed the Agricultural Greenhouse Gas Research centre in Palmerston North in partnership with AgResearch and nine other partners. This, as it progresses, will add significantly to our contribution to climate change measures and increase our productivity. The other key measure adding to the productivity in our region announced in the past few weeks is the increase in the regional roading spend. In my region the replacement of the Whirokino trestle bridge south of Foxton, which is over 1.5 kilometres long, when completed will take some 30 kilometres off the trip for the average heavy truck from the central North Island to Wellington\u201430 kilometres. Add this to the \u014Ctaki to Wellington roading improvements, including the capital expressway and Transmission Gully, and the benefit to the central North Island will be significant. The Tongariro and Whanganui National Parks are a huge resource for the people of Rangit\u012Bkei. Winter sports, walking, boating, and cycling are growing at a great rate. On top of this, we have a net migration inflow of people into the region in the last month, an increase in population, and a drop in unemployment. Despite the wailings of Labour and the Greens, this Government has made significant investment in the future of regional New Zealand, and we are seeing the benefits in our region. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EOne of the key challenges that our rural councils face is managing demand for access to our vast network of paper roads, and careful thought will need to be given to the future management of these. The Walking Access Commission has started this work but there is much to do and funding will be required in the future to complete this work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI want to briefly acknowledge the huge role that Tariana Turia has played in the M\u0101ori communities throughout my region, and congratulate her as she leaves this place on making such a great contribution to the welfare of so many. I want to briefly note the work done by Ng\u0101ti Apa in the south of the Rangit\u012Bkei, particularly in the social field, and now, with the acquisition of Flock House and the subsequent partnership they have formed to farm this historic property. It will be the forerunner of things to come and perhaps the trendsetter to help unlock the vast potential of M\u0101ori land in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EIn Taumarunui, the K\u014Dkiri Trust is achieving fantastic results in areas such as health, education, work projects, and aged care under the leadership of Christine Brears\u2014another initiative from, and thanks again to, the great work of Minister Turia. Finally, I want to acknowledge the time that my north-western neighbour, Shane Ardern, has spent working for the people of the north of the Rangit\u012Bkei. In the hill country of the North Island, boundaries are obscure and challenges are the same wherever you live. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u0022f248d01120bc4228a57db0ad8ef77270\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f248d01120bc4228a57db0ad8ef77270\u0022\u003EMEKA WHAITIRI (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Kaiwhakahaere o te Whare nei, \u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa ng\u0101 mema o te Whare nei i runga i te kaupapa whakahirahira o t\u0113nei wiki, te wiki o t\u014D t\u0101tou reo, o \u014D t\u0101tou rangatira. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[Greetings to you, Mr Speaker of the House, and to you all, members of this House, in regards to the matter of significance during this week, the week of our language and of our chiefs. So acknowledgments to you all.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThe country deserves better. The regions deserve better. As a proud member of Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti, I think Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti deserves better. This is a time and a place to put our plans out so that the people of this country can see what type of leadership we require in this country. Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti, to remind our members, is about 657 kilometres in distance, it takes about 9\u00BD hours to drive there, and for the last 2 weeks, I cannot escape the reality that is confronting the constituents whom I come to this House to represent. I have visited towns like Gisborne, Wairoa, Napier, Hastings, Dannevirke, Masterton, and Upper and Lower Hutt. In those 2 weeks I got to move around. I got to speak with mayors of local councils, I got to speak to providers of social services, and I got to speak to deliverers of business support throughout my electorate. I can quite categorically tell you that there is struggle throughout Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EOn the weekend I was doorknocking in Elgin, a place that I am sure the current member for East Coast, Anne Tolley, has visited often. The feedback from behind the many doors that I knocked on was that people want sustainable, well-paid jobs in places like Gisborne. So who are we to believe? Is it this Government, which is operating on a two-speed economy, one for the rich and one for the people like those in Elgin whom I doorknocked on? They are being ignored and they are being denied the basic rights to look after themselves and their families. That is what we have with this Government. This is what it has delivered to the people of Elgin, of the Maraenuis, of the P\u014Dmares\u2014the people whom I come to this House to represent. So Government members may get up and say that the economy is doing well, but get into those suburbs\u2014Ms Tolley, I invite you to go to Elgin and doorknock and hear what they say, and in Kaiti. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI invite Mr Craig Foss and our departing member Chris Tremain to go and doorknock in Flaxmere and Maraenui. You will hear for yourself\u2014those people are struggling. They are struggling, but they want jobs. So I come to this House, I listen to what this Government is offering to grow real jobs in the regions, and I hear nothing. I hear absolutely nothing. There is no hope for the people of the constituency that I represent. I come here and I hold you to account, because what I see is nothing. They are not even getting the bare basics of a well-paying job. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThis is what Labour will do. We will develop regional growth plans in partnership with local government, businesses, and iwi to identify opportunities and barriers for growth and work in groups to overcome them. We will make an initial investment of $200 million over 4 years in a regional development fund, for projects that will create jobs and growth. We will support manufacturing in the regions through the research and development tax credit, accelerated depreciation, and our monetary policy upgrade. Yes, we will. We will ensure that Government bodies buy from Kiwi manufacturers wherever possible. Let us put our Kiwi businesses ahead of overseas interests. We will redirect capital from housing speculation into productive investment. We are going to appoint a regional development Minister at Cabinet level. That is how serious Labour is about our regions. That is right\u2014a regional development Minister at Cabinet level. We will integrate the regional development fund with a national ports strategy and regional transport investment, and we will invest in upgrading regional information and communications technology. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EWe have also got plans for our young people in the regions, who are crying out for more education, more training, and more employment. I have seen in my electorate the closing of Government departments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u0022bb6edf0ad3ee462a9d06c61c79573545\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bb6edf0ad3ee462a9d06c61c79573545\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN (National\u2014Waitaki):\u003C/span\u003E What is Labour\u2019s policy solution for everything? Talk it down, say how bad it really is, and then throw some money at it. That will do it\u2014that will absolutely do it. Oh, and have a Minister. Labour members say \u201CLet\u2019s form another committee. Let\u2019s have another Minister.\u201D Who is that going to benefit? Oh, yes, that is right\u2014it is going to benefit themselves. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EDo you think\u2014or does one think; thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker\u2014that after flying in over South Canterbury\u2019s beautiful water storage facility, the \u014Cpuha Dam; the highly productive dairy factories, one under full operation, one just about to be commissioned; and the most beautiful farms in South Canterbury, with grain stores glistening down below and new sheds everywhere, including milking sheds, and landing at the Timaru airport, and this happened last week, David Cunliffe apologised to South Canterbury for how badly the region is doing? And as he crossed the brand-new $20 million Kurow bridges, with their own cycle lanes, creating 150 jobs regionally, on the way through the reinvigorated towns of Kurow, of Otematata, and of \u014Cm\u0101rama, following the $3 million Alps 2 Ocean Cycle Trail, do you think that Mr Cunliffe apologised to the locals for the new business opportunities and the incredible new tourist traffic that is now running through the region? And do you think after he recovered from his 2 days\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228485e5a2485d42bdbf39780c12eafdfc\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Many times the member has brought me into the debate. You cannot mention \u201Cyou\u201D, being the Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fdc6e1a1ca254a17981205315a4f8309\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you so much\u2014thank you so much for your help, Mr Assistant Speaker. And do the Assistant Speaker and the members of the House think that once Mr Cunliffe did recover from his 2 days in beddy-byes with his man flu, he enjoyed all the magnificence that Queenstown offers, from the restaurants to the magnificent high life to the skiing? Some of my spies reported to me that some time last week there was seen on the slopes of Cardrona ski field a man in a red scarf desperately trying to be noticed. But do you think that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b4c17f76c94448e9e4d4fd385c125cd\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022208d1c37430e475398df91d33f93f525\u0022\u003EJACQUI DEAN\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, right. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. It is just that I am so enthusiastic about the topic, I cannot help but try to include the Assistant Speaker in the conversation, but I will not do that any more. But does one think that Mr Cunliffe then apologised to the people of Queenstown for how well their local economy is doing, with the expansion of the Queenstown airport and with the commitment of Air New Zealand to bringing tourists both domestic and international into the region? And do you think he apologised to the wineries? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EDo you think\u2014to the House\u2014that David Cunliffe, when enjoying a Pinot noir or a little Pinot gris, perhaps, for his cold, apologised to the wineries and said how awful it was for them? And what about the cherry producers, the pip fruit producers, and the apple producers, who are producing so much that this Government had to respond by increasing the Recognised Seasonal Employer numbers and, in fact, creating a new seasonal worker programme down south to assist New Zealanders into the region and into work? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EYou see, what we are having to do with Central Otago is have programmes to bring workers into the regions. Unemployment is so low in Central Otago and the whole region is so productive that we need programmes to bring people into the region. There are jobs, all right. There are jobs in Central Otago, all right, and we are creating them. David Cunliffe should apologise. David Cunliffe should apologise because the South Canterbury and Otago regions are doing just fine. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThings do not feel so hollowed out when the Winter Games NZ or the Queenstown winter festival are in full swing, or when the BMX world championships or the W\u0101naka triathlon festival are all go\u2014all supported by what? All supported by this Government. Things do not feel hollowed out to the 11 Otago companies supported by the Venture Investment Fund, or to the initiatives in the meat and wool industries through the Primary Growth Partnerships, or to the towns of Queenstown\u2014or what about \u014C\u0101maru or Dunedin city, which have been supported with their ultra-fast broadband upgrade? And what about the hundreds and hundreds of small businesses that now benefit from the Rural Broadband Initiative and the New Zealand Trade and Enterprise capability development programme?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u002236cc57e113884170954442dc3fad6ff5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002236cc57e113884170954442dc3fad6ff5\u0022\u003EPAUL GOLDSMITH (National):\u003C/span\u003E We have got valedictories coming this afternoon from excellent National members of Parliament. I am staying, Mr Prime Minister. We have got Cam Calder, and we have got Hayes, King, Tremain, and Wilkinson, all of whom have made great contributions. It is true that John Hayes has been the most difficult to handle on the Finance and Expenditure Committee\u2014much harder than any of the Opposition members\u2014but nevertheless he has made a great contribution. I notice that the players from the Parliamentary Rugby Team are here to support Cam Calder, and I put my hand out to you. Diversity of background is the strength of the National Party, and these people who are giving their valedictories today are capable people who have other options to go to once they have made their contribution in Parliament, and they do not have to hang around well past their use-by date. In their second to last week of Parliament they will be reflecting on their contributions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EOf course, there will be many other people in this Chamber here today who are in their second to last week of Parliament, but they do not know it yet. The people are sovereign, and it could befall any of us, but I fear that some of our colleagues on the other side of the House will not get a chance to deliver their valedictories. Mr Muldoon used to say that so-and-so was \u201Ca hard old dog to get off the porch\u201D, and that is true of Winston Peters, there is no doubt. Who knows whether he and his interesting collection will be back after the election, including that fellow with the two letterboxes? I worry about the members on the other side in the Labour Party. I worry about my cousin Moana Mackey. I worry about Clayton Cosgrove, my good friend. All of them are in a great deal of trouble when it comes to the election, even David Parker, whom I have worked with in a collegial manner in the Finance and Expenditure Committee. Anybody on the Labour Party list has something to worry about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI have been very busy in the Epsom electorate, working hard to build up the party vote. Like every other candidate in this party I am working to lift the party vote, because that is the one that makes a difference. I would just like to say to Labour to rein in that guy who lives in Parnell who keeps pinching my signs. I know who he is. When I am on the doorsteps in Epsom, I hear deep concern about the potential for things to go wrong if a Government comprising Annette Sykes, John Minto, Laila Harr\u00E9, David Cunliffe, Metiria Turei, Russel Norman, and Winston Peters veers off in all sorts of directions after this election. They are very concerned about the prospect of Asenati Lole-Taylor overseeing the Reserve Bank. They are terrified of John Minto being the Treaty negotiations Minister. Metiria Turei, said in this House that work is a trap, that it does not pay enough, and therefore people should not bother\u2014just imagine if she was in charge of welfare. It is all too terrible to contemplate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EWhy, when this country is heading in the right direction, guided by a strong, stable, united, and sensible Government, and when there is so much work to be done, would anybody put it all at risk by leaping into the unknown with this motley crew? How can the country put its trust in David Cunliffe and the team when they cannot even organise a decent picture of him for the soft profile piece in the Dominion Post this morning? Did they not see that the photo they sent to the Dominion Post had him squatting beside a rabbit, in shorts that were clearly far too small and inadequate for the task? I encourage you to have a look at that. That is what worries people. That is what worries people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThe Labour prescription is bad enough. It is overturning the Reserve Bank consensus, it is slapping a new tax on every productive business in this country, and it is effectively nationalising the electricity sector. That is bad enough, but if it scraped back into power, it would not get to dictate what happens in this country. It would have to give something to the Greens. Imagine what the Greens would demand, aside from their massive carbon tax and aside from making farmers uncompetitive. What would Labour give to Hone Harawira? It would have to free Mr Dotcom. It would have to give free stuff to everybody, and that is why this country would be in a terrible state. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI am very proud of the record of this Government over the past 6 years. Fundamentally, it has been about working to create an environment in which New Zealanders can thrive and will only do well and will only be in the position to afford all the sorts of things that we value\u2014quality health-care, superannuation in old age, world-class education, and support for the vulnerable\u2014if we have an internationally competitive economy. Of course, what is internationally competitive is a moving target and it requires constant improvement not just by exporters but throughout the economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThe debate having concluded, the motion lapsed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00224314ad92e5864c9e864f141c840164bc\u0022\u003EValedictory Statements\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a1657772107d489fb7377741c4518832\u0022\u003EValedictory Statements\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022 data-id=\u0022d15377bf9c5544c99a62b68be0a2b712\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d15377bf9c5544c99a62b68be0a2b712\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: The Business Committee has determined that the congratulatory messages following each member\u2019s valedictory will be held at the end. There are a number of valedictories today. I ask that we move from member to member with their valedictories and we make our congratulatory messages right at the end. There will be a bell at 2 minutes to go. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022 data-id=\u00223a7e129dd9e34296a47191f443833606\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223a7e129dd9e34296a47191f443833606\u0022\u003EDr CAM CALDER (National):\u003C/span\u003E Six years ago when I came into Parliament, some queried why. Why has he come in? Does Parliament need yet another doctor? When I announced my intention to step down, again some queried: \u201CWhy him? Surely some mistake? Parliament is losing too many of its doctors.\u201D There was no talk, as far as I know, of McCully having any incriminating photographs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EI have had many different roles in my life. Building roads, and a scrub-cutter in \u201Cthe Naki\u201D, Territorial Force soldier, dental surgeon, businessman and entrepreneur, medical doctor in accident and emergency, and a clinical research director for a private company\u2014to name just a few. I have enjoyed them all. I have enjoyed them all, but at this point I would like to place on record that serving and working as a member of Parliament in New Zealand has been the best job that I have ever had. A huge amount of work, work of extraordinary variety, and I have relished every day!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EThough long viewing the prospect of life in the political milieu with the utmost distaste, I sought the chance to stand as a National candidate in 2008 because I was extremely concerned about the future that my children would inherit if New Zealand continued down the track it was then on. Back in 2002, upon returning from living overseas with my family, I was shocked and disturbed at what I found in New Zealand. I was shocked and disturbed at the consequences for my children, and, indeed, all New Zealanders, if the myriad of challenges facing New Zealand was not addressed more comprehensively and more intelligently. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EAs I saw it, I had three choices. I could return to live overseas, but I am a proud New Zealander, so that option did not appeal. I could stay and do nothing other than groan and grumble, but that did not appeal, because I believe that if one does not like something, one should do one\u2019s best to change it. The third option was to stay in New Zealand, to work to make it better, and to push my ideas for change on to the agenda. The choice was obvious\u2014I joined the National Party. It was a huge pleasure to be selected to stand for National in the 2008 election in the vibrant and diverse community of Manurewa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EAs a party we have never claimed to be perfect. We do not have a magic wand and we cannot change things overnight. But, having come into Parliament, I was proud to set up my office in Manurewa and work within the community and on behalf of that community over the ensuing years. I was able to face that community in 2011, knowing that everything we had said we would do as a Government, we had done\u2014and more! We are getting it right in Manurewa, we are getting it right in my colleague Kanwal Bakshi\u2019s electorate, Manukau East, and in M\u0101ngere, we are getting it right for New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EIn my maiden speech\u2014and it seems only a few weeks ago\u2014I observed that a society is judged by how it protects the most vulnerable. It has been a huge pleasure to be part of a Government that has protected the most vulnerable through the worst recession the world has known in 75 years. More of our infants are getting immunised, more of our young people are able to participate in early childhood education and are being screened for the precursors of rheumatic fever, over 300,000 homes have been made warmer, drier, and healthier, crime is at a 20-year low, and tens of thousands more elective surgical procedures have been improving New Zealanders\u2019 quality of life every year. At the same time, our economy has been among the strongest-growing economies in the OECD, and the growing economy has led to tens of thousands more jobs in the last year alone. More and more New Zealanders are being educated and are acquiring the tools to fill those jobs and to unlock the ability and potential that lies within them all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EIn this House I have noted in the past that no Government can legislate aroha. No Government can legislate love, but through careful formulation of policies and legislation, we are succeeding in wrapping services round the most vulnerable and the less well loved. People need something to believe in and someone to believe in them. The people of Manurewa and in communities all over New Zealand have seen the results of this Government believing in them, and they are responding. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EIt has been a huge pleasure for me in Manurewa to see Pacific matai and Pacific church leaders wearing that blue T-shirt and wearing the blue rosette in our community of Manurewa. The door has always been open, but now more and more the Pasifika community is seeing evidence of the Government\u2019s belief and walking through that door. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EAs Nicolas Sarkozy said when he sought the Presidency of France \u201CEnsemble tous devient possible\u201D\u2014together, all becomes possible. He got elected, but he could not bring l\u2019Hexagone together, and he did not win another term. This Government has worked with all New Zealanders, and the results speak for themselves. I am proud to have worn the blue jersey and to have been part of a team that is reshaping the mesh in many different levels and areas and making our country a better place to live. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EWhat of my own personal goals and dreams on coming into Parliament? The concept of servant leadership has always resonated with me. Every morning when I look in the mirror\u2014which I do not do for long, given what confronts me\u2014I ask myself: \u201CHave I done the best I possibly can to honour the hard work and commitment of all those folk whose work on behalf of the National Party led to my working here and, indeed, have I done the best for all New Zealanders?\u201D. I am pleased to say that the answer is generally yes, but from time to time I have found myself a bit puffed. I have unbounded admiration for our Prime Minister, whose ebullience and mastery of detail remains unmatched and whose workload is a log scale above that of anyone else in this House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EIn my maiden speech I outlined areas of special interest to me. Among them were tackling New Zealand\u2019s growing incidence of obesity, the need for more marine reserves, and a prostate cancer awareness programme for New Zealand men. I soon learnt some fundamental truths of Parliamentary life. Few things move fast. As the French say \u201CPetit \u00E0 petit l\u2019oiseau fait son nid\u201D\u2014little by little, the bird makes the nest. One can plant seeds in soil, but the soil receiving the seed may or may not be fertile. The idea might lie there quiescent for ever, or receive a burst of interest from an unexpected quarter and suddenly flourish and be accepted. Certainly one never achieves anything in this House alone, and success truly has a thousand fathers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EI am gratified to note that the Government has made progress in all the above special interest areas that I mentioned in my maiden speech, but today I make a call for more resources to be devoted to proven measures to combat the alarming incidence of obesity in New Zealand. The cost of such interventions will amply repay themselves in substantially reduced health care costs and in thousands of New Zealanders living longer, healthier, more productive lives.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EMy call for New Zealand to adopt a genuine progress indicator and my plan to encourage distributed power generation from renewable sources fell on stony ground. However, areas where other seeds I planted fell on more fertile soil include measures to control low-ball share offers, the change to the right-hand rule, and a bill to make it an offence to carry a high-power laser pointer in a public place without reasonable excuse. My Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill unanimously passed its Committee stage in the House on 25 June, and I am hopeful it will pass its final reading later this evening. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EOn my lapel I wear the White Ribbon. This is a statement of my stand against violence towards women and children. Domestic violence\u2014men against women, women against men\u2014is a major challenge for New Zealand and a blot on our nation\u2019s escutcheon. I have been proud to be a caucus champion speaking all over New Zealand on this Government\u2019s determination to reduce the staggering number of our children harmed each year. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EAdolescent sexual and reproductive health and rights is another concern of mine. It is an important area for consideration in all countries, including New Zealand, and it is possibly the most effective area for intervention by a donor country in a developing country. In 2013, as a member of the New Zealand Parliamentarians\u2019 Group on Population and Development, I visited the Solomon Islands. The purpose of the visit was to meet with key parliamentarians, policy makers, and key regional leaders in sexual and reproductive health and rights to encourage scaled-up action to address these issues in the Solomon Islands. Family planning and investment in this area is also the most cost-effective investment a country can make towards its own sustainable development and the well-being and empowering of its women and children. It is also a fundamental human right. However, despite decades of international agreement on the need to ensure universal access to family planning, progress in the Pacific has been slow and inequitable. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EFollowing my visit, upon returning to New Zealand, I wrote a discussion paper entitled Adolescent Sexual Health and Reproductive Rights in the Solomon Islands\u2014the unmet needs. I forwarded this to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade. I am delighted to report that the feedback I have received suggests that in future, more of New Zealand\u2019s aid to the Solomon Islands will be used in addressing these unmet needs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EOne comes into Parliament passionate, with a host of good intentions, but one must also have a plan. The passion has never left me, and I am grateful that in looking back on my time in Parliament I have been able to progress my plan to further many of the projects in which I have had a particular interest. At this stage I wish to acknowledge the unanimous support my member\u2019s bill has received from across the House and note for the uninitiated that despite the theatre of question time, there is an enormous amount of cooperation in the House, especially in the select committees. I particularly wish to acknowledge the collegiality of all members of the Education and Science Committee, which I have had the pleasure to chair, and their willingness to work towards the common good. It is just as well, as otherwise one could be worn down by the relentless negativism that sometimes seems to pervade \u201CPlanet Parliament\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EBeing an MP can be a lonely role. May I thank my family\u2014Jenny, Carla, and Leisha; my brothers, Rob and Don; my sister, Julie; and my sister-in-law, Wendy\u2014whose steadfast personal support has always been there, though I am sure my brother Rob has never voted for the party I represent, as many of the Opposition can probably testify. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003ETalofa lava and fa\u2018afetai ma soifua to Telea and Fati Menefata, who have cleaned Bowen House from the day I arrived and have always had a cheery smile and greeting every morning. The parliamentary messengers\u2014always ready to help and keep me hydrated during the debate. I could almost use you now! My Manurewa secretary, Jenny Collins\u2014Jen came to me having worked for the Prime Minister. She is hugely experienced, capable, and ever-helpful. I will miss you, Jen. Jamie Lee Burns, my parliamentary secretary for many years\u2014safe travels overseas, Jamie. The Pride, the Zephyrs, the O group, Dave Knowles, and my oldest mate, Lou Borok, have always been there for me. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EIt is a great pleasure to see my old parliamentary colleague and friend George Hawkins, long-serving Manurewa MP, and Jan up in the gallery. George, there is a gathering tonight in the National Party caucus room\u2014I am sure you will feel right at home. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EMy friends from all over the House\u2014go well, and I hope our paths cross in the world. My mates in the Parliamentary Rugby Team\u2014a pack of good bastards. We won the Parliamentary Rugby World Cup in 2011. Good luck in 2015. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EFinally, I wish to record and place on record my deep appreciation for the long-term and steadfast support of Manurewa activists Richard and Penny Laughty. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EThe old adage is undeniable: you have got to get into it before you get out of it. I have been in it for two terms. It has been my whole life and all-consuming. I look now to a life free of the strictures of a party whip, where I can attempt to create my own reality again. Thank you. Je ne regrette rien. Kia ora. Adieu. Farewell. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022 data-id=\u00226099f699c4bf42579f15feb18943f125\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226099f699c4bf42579f15feb18943f125\u0022\u003EJOHN HAYES (National\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E This afternoon I come to say farewell and to share a few final thoughts with you, my colleagues, and the Wairarapa community. But first I want to thank the Wairarapa, Tararua, and Central Hawke\u2019s Bay communities, who three times elected me as their representative, each time by a greater margin. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EIt has been a privilege to have represented the people of the Wairarapa for 9 years\u2014it actually feels like 9 long years. It has been an experience that few of us get. No one arrives here as an electorate MP without the support of many people, too many to name. Some of them are here today. Thank you for coming. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EI particularly want to acknowledge the late John Falloon and the late Juliet Hensley. You departed too soon. I would never have made it here without your support. I want to acknowledge John and Helen McFadzean, Sue Perry, Snow and Di Peterson from Waipukurau, and Bernard Cleary, my kneecapper in Carterton. I acknowledge Keith Hancox in Masterton, Richard Ellis in Pah\u012Batua, Alister Plimmer, Stephen Kerr, and many, many others, including my family Emily, Neve, Corrin and Luis Cunha up in Kuwait and Matthew, Louise, Edward, and James Hayes, and especially Helen, who has carried the brunt of long absences and my distractions. They have tolerated, not approved, my being here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EBeing an MP is not a job; it is an all-consuming life, and constituents deserve no less. I am deeply indebted to Yvonne Payne in my Masterton office for 9 long years, and to Janet Castell in Waipukurau, Rebecca Algie and Maureen Fenemor in Dannevirke, and the wonderful Emily Broadmore here in Parliament. There are many others like Paul, Jane, and Mike at In Style Travel, Lou and Fiona at Capital Travel, and AJ at Lamb-Peters Print in Greytown, who consistently made the impossible possible. Stan and the late Nola Mangin have been superb neighbours, who without any fuss covered all those things I was never around to fix, like the cows jumping the fence. Thank you. I would not have survived here without your support. I need to apologise to the crew of the Maranui\u2014Captain Povey, Doug, Mike, and Andrew\u2014for never being around when you were short of crew. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003ENine years have passed really quickly\u2014almost a quarter of a working life. It has been an interesting time. My friend and sounding board John Schnellenberg told me in 2005 that I would develop a carapace. I had never heard of the word, but I can say now, Schnell, that you were right. Politicians need a tough outer shell. Mine formed pretty quickly when Michael Cullen whacked Finlayson and me around this Chamber one afternoon. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EI guess Parliament reflects our collective character and personality as a country. I am no saint\u2014no, I am not. Much of my first term here was spent reflecting on why I had come. The atmosphere was toxic, not helped by a Speaker who was shrill and screamed and by loopy committee chairs Pettis and Yates. Visits to parliaments in Denmark and Sweden showed that parliamentary debate can be respectful, focused on issues, and without narcissistic tone. Better behaviour in debates might encourage more members of the community to come here and make a contribution. It might also arrest the decline in the numbers of people who are voting. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EI have brooded about our inability as a society to be more generous of spirit and accepting when people get something wrong. The media, especially, fall over themselves to beat up on anybody who buggers up\u2014that is a Papua New Guinean word. \u201CSo what?\u201D you say. Well, I think the \u201Cwhat\u201D is the question. Why would anybody expose themselves to public life when the risk of a mistake is the public pillorying, which inevitably follows? We collectively pay a price in not creating an environment conducive to attracting more good leaders to Parliament. We could move our country forward further and faster by focusing on what is important; we bog down by arguing with each other. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EFor more than 10 years the Wairarapa electorate has been trying to progress a couple of irrigation schemes. It is a simple task to collect and store water that falls at the wrong time of the year and then to use it in the summer drought, but very little progress has been made. Why? Is it leadership that is wanting? Yep, sometimes. Are Resource Management Act requirements a constraint? Yep. Are M\u0101ori demands a constraint? Sometimes they can be. Are nimby issues the problem? Yes. Well, let us be up front and be clear that affected landowners will be fairly compensated for their land and the disruption. Irrigation is the quickest way to grow our national income, and the whole country wins. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EIt is difficult to fathom why simple, sensible, straightforward concepts have become so difficult to implement. Were I New Zealand\u2019s next Prime Minister, I would ensure that the next Parliament got rid of a plethora of unnecessary legislation and excessive regulation. Three years is not long enough. This year\u2019s election is going to cost taxpayers $27 million, together with the time they have invested in MPs, who are going to be distracted by parliamentary campaigning. Were I Prime Minister\u2014and do not laugh, Brendan; it is not too late to nominate\u2014I would promote a 4 or 5-year term to spread the cost over more years. Doing so would give Parliament a more reasonable time to implement its programmes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EColleagues from across the House\u2014and Cam has just said it tonight\u2014often say that Parliament provides a wonderful experience. Having spent time here and in the Foreign ministry, my curiosity is satisfied. To those contemplating a political career, I will say two things: if you have got kids, do not come near the place, because they are going to be short-changed; and if you want a really fascinating job, head to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade. The big advantage: there is no election every 3 years. Besides, foreign affairs ministers come and they go. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EConstituent work is rewarding. Few beyond the beltway understand how Government works. That is where I have tried to add value. The Labour candidate for the Wairarapa dropped a leaflet in my letterbox the other day proclaiming that he should be my member of Parliament because he had been comp\u00E8re at the Golden Shears competition this year. I have no doubt that that requires some skill, but not the sort that is going to make him a competent member of Parliament. I doubt the community will elect a candidate who has so little experience and expertise. People who live and work in cities assume provinces work like the cities they live in. They do not. Much of my time has been spent bridging that gap. I have often felt like a scribe in an Indian bazaar drafting letters for people. But there is a satisfaction from securing good outcomes and seeing common sense prevail. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EThe campaign to keep M\u0101k\u014Dura College from closing in 2006 was a tough battle for an Opposition MP, but the outcome, keeping the school open, was a victory for the Masterton community. That issue taught me the critical importance of school leadership. It is great to see the school\u2019s roll today in a very different place to the projections of ministry officials, who used to walk up my drive on a Sunday morning to beat me up\u2014the same officials who wanted to close the school rather than address 6 years of Education Review Office reports pointing out dysfunctional relationships at senior levels in the school. I acknowledge and congratulate M\u0101k\u014Dura\u2019s outstanding principal Tom Hullena. He has more than doubled the school roll, topped the country\u2019s National Certificate of Educational Achievement results, and in the last 6 weeks received the Prime Minister\u2019s recognition for Excellence in Leading - Atakura Award, here last month. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EThe residence status of many Pacific families is a concern. Too many Pasifika people have irregular immigration status. They make no demands on social welfare\u2014I see them in my electorate\u2014but they live in fear. Their children do not easily sit in school and they do not access health care. These families are often desperate. They are vulnerable to being ripped off by unscrupulous lawyers and others who charge fees and deliver no results for them. It is a large but hidden problem. I urge Pasifika people to get appointments with your MPs after the election, because they can help you regularise your status without charge. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EWhen constituents have sought help, my driver has been a simple test: is it fair? When the answer was no, then I have always gone into bat. In provincial New Zealand interpersonal issues are held much more intensely than in our big towns. People are inclined to stop talking to each other. If they only would talk to each other, most problems would dissipate. The impact of the Horizons One Plan proposed for the Tararua a couple of years ago would have been that it removed $62 million each year from the local economy in the Tararua area. Bringing people to Parliament for a meal and a libation in my office afterwards was a formula that generally got people talking to each other. They then took responsibility and established frameworks for sorting out their problems. They got to common-sense outcomes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EI think that economic and social progress in provincial New Zealand will happen only if we who live in provincial areas take responsibility for our own affairs. No one owes us a living. Those who think\u2014and I am talking Wairarapa at the moment\u2014that Wellington-based ratepayers are going to subsidise activity in the Wairarapa are at best misguided. They do not live on my planet. No one owes us a living. Air New Zealand demonstrated that a few months ago when it ended the air link to Auckland. That is why I worked so hard with others to secure the restoration of a financially sustainable air service between Masterton and Auckland. Eighteen people came to a meeting on Monday at Masterton\u2019s town hall. As we speak contributions are now being put into a trust account held by accountants Amy Kerr and Associates. Subject to an undertaking to improve the runway, I am confident that an air service based on an Air Chathams Metroliner with Wairarapa livery will resume in September. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EIt is not possible to win on every issue. I spent a year trying to advance a plan to turn Masterton\u2019s old hospital into an integrated family health centre. At the time the recession was in full swing, and the proposal offered 70 immediate jobs and about 50 full-time positions when completed. Two letters from M\u0101ori asked for the site to go into the land bank. Despite an assurance from a colleague, Pita Sharples\u2019 clout was greater than mine and the building went into the land bank. After Opus International Consultants\u2019 evaluation a local M\u0101ori leader told me 4 months later that they no longer wanted the complex. I have always stood the ground for M\u0101ori on issues like the seabed and foreshore and Treaty settlements. I suggest, though, that M\u0101ori could well reflect carefully on their actions if they want to carry the support of most Kiwis into the future. A growing number of Wairarapa people are keen to see an end to the grievance industry, the end of M\u0101ori seats, and the coming together of all Kiwis. I support the Prime Minister\u2019s call for consultation about a new flag when Treaty settlements are completed. A new flag may help strengthen our nationhood.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EFinally, a couple of things about foreign affairs. I was pleased in the last Parliament to complete a Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee inquiry into New Zealand\u2019s relationship with the South Pacific. The Government did not have a majority on the committee, and the report had more than 40 recommendations unanimously supported by all parties. This led to our being able to host the first ever Pacific Parliament last year in this Chamber with more than 50 Pacific participants. It was great to have five Fijians there at that gathering. Since 2005\u2014being here\u2014I have consistently argued privately with colleagues that it was better to engage Fiji than talk to them by megaphone, as Helen Clark and Phil Goff did. The Pacific Parliament could never have progressed had I not been here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EThere have been some interesting interactions over these 9 years. I think of a visit to Israel with colleagues Paul\u2014\u201CHutch\u201D, down here\u2014Phil Goff, Kennedy Graham and Jacqui Dean. During that visit, I realised the extent to which the majority of Israeli politicians did not have the slightest interest in resolving issues with Palestinians. That was a disappointing lesson to me, because I left that visit thinking that the Palestinian leadership was a bunch of people whom you could do business with. Before that visit I had not appreciated the extent of segregation being practised in Israel towards Arabs. To Israelis, I simply ask you: have you no humanity? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ae94eea7-ba5f-4303-bf71-49e708bc9888\u0022\u003EFinally, can I say thank you to all parliamentarians from all parties. It has been fun working with most of you, and I have made some good friends, including in other parties. Thanks also to all the staff in the parliamentary complex, especially the library and our staff here providing water and other things. Can I just say thank you one and all, and wish you all the luck you deserve for the next election. Cheers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022 data-id=\u002243ad1007691146b181e3bff2fe2152da\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002243ad1007691146b181e3bff2fe2152da\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much indeed, Mr Deputy Speaker, for the call to give my valedictory statement. It is a privilege that is given to retirees: 15 minutes of uninterrupted discourse, where the opportunity is given to say it the way it really is and the way I see it, and I intend to do that now. If we glance overseas back to Westminster, where our parliamentary system began, before it was improved by the New Zealand system, we see that the parliamentary media over there have adopted the sobriquet of \u201Cpale, male, and stale\u201D for those whom Mr Cameron has decided should no longer hold Cabinet warrants. How cruel! How cruel is that to sensitive people? Well, if you cannot take the heat, do not stand in the kitchen. This is Politics 101, after all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EMind you, all jokes aside, I have always thought that members of the media try to see in others that which they least like about themselves. Let us think about that for a moment. Every day at a quarter to two as we come to the House, I have in my diary \u201Cavailable to media\u201D. I approach the melee of people, cameras, and microphones. Sometimes they say: \u201CGidday, Chris.\u201D That is it. There have been, perhaps, three times when I have had that wonderful surround sound of microphones and cameras\u2014very exciting. Unfortunately, it was always over a tragic association with Pike River, rather than the sort of fun that our Ministers have. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EBut does the Westminsterial sobriquet apply over here? Are we, as retirees, pale, male, and stale on this side of the world or on this side of the House? I do not think so. Oh no, I do not think so. Well, not yet, at any rate, but as my old friend Roy Hodgson in R\u016Bnanga used to say\u2014a good old coalminer\u2014\u201CHang on. Let\u2019s have a think about that.\u201D So I have given it a bit of thought. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EPale? OK, I certainly do not have a ruddy or dark complexion, but roseate enough on a frosty morning not to be described as pale. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EMale? I make no apology for being a male. I hope I am seen as a considerate, compassionate, and communicable male, and I make no apology for that. If I have faults\u2014and I am sure I do\u2014well, I do not think I can blame my gender for my behaviour, without it being a cop-out. There ain\u2019t nothing wrong with being a bloke if you behave yourself properly. I am pleased, none the less, that our new National candidate for West Coast - Tasman is Maureen Pugh, thereby enhancing the opportunity for gender balance in the party. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EStale? I do not think so. I have achieved more for the electorate in the last year in the cumulative improvement in West Coast - Tasman health infrastructure than ever before, and have we not had such a wonderful Minister of Health? I have contributed as much on an annual basis to select committee work in the last year as in any other, and have spoken more frequently in the Chamber. I have had a speech that went trending on Twitter. Lianne Dalziel had to say it was \u201Ctrending\u201D and not \u201Ctrendy\u201D. It was viral on the internet, in the opinion of TV3\u2014and this was after I had actually announced my retirement. So stale? No. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003ESo if that is the successful rebuttal of the Westminsterial criticism of gentlemen of European ancestry of a certain age and career achievement, and if I have successfully rebutted that, why the hell am I retiring? That is a good question, but here is an answer, because it is a question that does require answering. When I joined the National Party\u2014signed up by Keith Holyoake, who said \u201CBe careful when you sign that membership form. You may end up in Parliament.\u201D; that was in Kaikohe, circa 1968\u2014I actually made a commitment to work to support the party; not to seek to support myself, but to support the party. I am now 69 years old, and although so many people say I do not look it, well, I am!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be636376d33e4b4a8b83e29d569d0674\u0022\u003EHon Chris Tremain\u003C/span\u003E: Nah, you don\u2019t look it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221818edc3bfd14983be648df3d7e5ca9b\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, thank you. I do not know of any other serving National MPs who are 69 years old, but as we sign up to 3-year brackets of tenure, would you really want to still be trundling around Parliament at 72? You need quite an ego if you thought you could not be replaced effectively by a younger person. I guess the only extenuating circumstance would be if you were a party leader who had a Scottish mother from the Isle of Skye, but even then you would be pushing it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EI guess this is the reality. Keeping a balance of diversity\u2014age, gender, and ethnicity\u2014in a caucus is a long game, not a short one. Have we not all benefited from the inclusion of people of diversity and different ethnicity in this Parliament? I have got one sitting right beside me here, Kanwal Bakshi, who makes a huge contribution, and National has certainly changed under the John Key leadership. Each of us has to think, though, about the future of the party and the part we want to play in it. We would all like to be here for ever, but with my own retirement and the retirements of colleagues from National now, the real effect will be first in 2017 when National will have an incredibly strong team\u2014fresh, but all with 3 years\u2019 minimum experience as MPs, youthful yet mature, vigorous and energetic, and, may I say, multi-shaded, gender-balanced, and fresh. That is the way it will be on this side of the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EI have no wish to be partisan, but, hey, consideration should be given to how we will look as a party in comparison with one another in 3 years\u2019 time, or, indeed, in 6 years\u2019 time, because you have to plan that far out for refreshment and strength should some of the party\u2019s older incumbents cling to the backs of their seats\u2014and some of us do have a tendency to do that. Speaking entirely for myself, I wish to be part of a refreshment process, rather than a stagnation process within the party, which will occur if people do not leave and allow replacements to come in. I think that the best way to do that is to retire at my present stage. So, although I am not personally seeking re-election, I am, of course, still steeped in the process of the election cycle. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EThe political messages, though, that are put out by all the parties have a different emphasis if one is thinking as a voter rather than as one to be voted for. It gives you a different slant on things. It is interesting to see the way parties want to differentiate from one another. One of my regular phone-callers on the Coast brought this to my attention when he asked: \u201CWhat about those parties that want to bring back smacking? Is it because they want us all to smack kids, or do they have a secret dream of being smacked themselves if only the law would allow it? You just don\u2019t know nowadays, do you?\u201D. He does have a point. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EThe other point he made\u2014and I am absolutely sure it will not cause any offence\u2014was to ask why some parties insist on having binding referenda. He said: \u201CIt sounds to me like the way people always try to tell us what we should do and should not do with natural resources on the Coast, when they do not even live here themselves.\u201D He went on to say: \u201CThe really strange part is that the parties that say we should have binding referenda are always minority parties and, by their own mandate, they should not expect to be in Parliament, because they did not achieve majority support.\u201D He has a point. He has a point, and I really look forward to continuing to benefit from the West Coast wisdom and the philosophical observations of people once I am outside and home again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EI do not intend to speak any further on the new and emergent parties that hope to hold us in thrall to their whims and wants. In my view, MMP is a reality that I think would be a pity to lose. As well as providing opportunities for new philosophies, one of its vulnerabilities is that it can attract charlatans from time to time, but the electorate is, I trust, developing a maturity in the way that it views and uses MMP. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003ESo what have I been able to contribute and what have I gained from my 9 years in this place? For me, the most significant part of the parliamentary process as a backbencher is the select committee system. This is our second House, our senate, our House of Lords, as this is where the public have a direct interface with the legislative process. This is where the public are asked what they think of the legislation being put forward. In my experience, the adversarial relationship between parties and individual members is subsumed to less of a partisan system, where members each consider the evidence put before them in submissions from people, often based on a personal or observed experience. I have always been impressed by the sincerity and depth of explanation that the public provide. Organisations too, be they corporate bodies, commercial organisations, or community groups, come in with carefully prepared and sharply focused submissions to argue a point. Each and every submission is considered, weighed, and then reported back to the committee by the appointed officials who are assisting the committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EI would like to think that my main opportunity to make a contribution here has been through the committee process, and I am extremely grateful for the appointments that I have had to those committees. I have developed a deep appreciation of colleagues from all sides of the House in the way that we have the capacity to work together within the committee system. It is always a bit of a surprise when you come out of the committee system. I remember when we did the review of the\u2014oh, I will not bother to deal with the individual Acts\u2014but after some of the complex ones, where we had worked together very well as parties, we would come out and suddenly you could hear people speaking as if they wanted nothing to do with it and saying how dreadful it was. I can remember saying to a Minister once \u201CThis was not a reflection of the way those members spoke in the committee.\u201D, and they said \u201CChris, they are not speaking to you in the committee. They are speaking to their membership in the public, and it is not to their advantage to look as if we all work together too easily.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EBut representing people, be they individuals or entire electorates, is a big privilege, and the West Coast - Tasman electorate will always be special for me. It is a delight to see that people have actually come up from the West Coast and Tasman to be with us today, and I think we will give them a little clap for that. It is a hell of a long way to come. It is particularly nice to see three\u2014one, two, three\u2014Young Nats. There are four or more Young Nats in the back of the gallery. They have been with me since the third form, I think, at Greymouth High. They are at university now, and they are doing very well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EThe West Coast - Tasman electorate will always be special for me. There were aspects of political opportunity that held special appeal for me when I first arrived in 2005, but I chose, and was advised, to concentrate my attention on serving the electorate, and I have stuck with that prime intention. All politicians, in my experience, wish to achieve the best they can for the people they represent, with each party having separate ways of achieving that, and I have always been comfortable with promoting the policies of National. There have been good times in the electorate and times of awful tragedy. Both the good times and the tragedies are part of the political journey as an MP, and it has been very pleasing to me to have seen the level of agreement between parties in processing the Pike River royal commission recommendations towards workplace health and safety reform. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EIt has been a great time to be in Parliament over the last 9 years. New Zealand plays a significant part in world affairs as a small nation with a developed, and still developing, economy. People are not afraid of New Zealand. We do not threaten people because of our size or aggression or anything like that. New Zealand views are listened to and sought. I think it is fair to say that we have been well served by Foreign Ministers from all parties over the last few decades, and we are regarded as a very responsible world citizen. I hope the influence we have built up can be used in some of the complex and tragic dynastic problems that are occurring at the moment between Governments, to the detriment and horrifying physical cost to all their citizens. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EFinally, I looked up \u201Cvaledictory\u201D in my Chambers Dictionary. Normally, it is a final speech of a graduand leaving a place of learning. For me, that is a fit. It is a fit, leaving here. Thanks directly to my National colleagues and to the Prime Minister and his staff for the leadership they have provided. There is no greater call than that your country needs you, and, gosh, New Zealand does need you, John Key. Thank goodness we have you as Prime Minister. This is a dynamic place. It has managed without me before\u2014before I arrived\u2014and it will manage without me after I have left.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c27e94d5f1e4aaf8d8ba022ffc8cbe0\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: No!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf3f78e65e194d729dcfc0b4b71cd5f5\u0022\u003ECHRIS AUCHINVOLE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, all right, all right. You are so kind. But it will, honestly. Members and staff will concentrate on themselves, the job in hand, and their individual and collective party aspirations, as before, and that is what should happen. I will not be any more memorable than any other politician who has served here and moved on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220bfa5b74-8933-458a-99d4-bbd75d9898d0\u0022\u003EBut here is the one thing I wanted to leave with you: I do not expect the majority of you to remember me in any shape or form, but I will remember each of you\u2014each and every one of you\u2014for all the transactions we have engaged in. I will treasure all the exchanges we have had, I promise you that, be it at the select committee, in the debating chamber, in Copperfield\u2019s, in Bellamy\u2019s, or in the gym; on social occasions, on formal occasions, in private conversation, in private meetings, or in public engagements; be it with the security staff, Parliamentary Service staff, the travel team, the media team, with Brent\u2019s messengers, the Clerk\u2019s Office, IT help services\u2014bless them\u2014the communications unit, the research unit, the library, the exemplary In Style Travel taxi service headed up by Paul Rossiter, Air New Zealand Koru Club, the electorate teams, the Young Nats, my office staff past and present, and, bless them, those who have left us: the late Dan Strong, my electorate chair in Motueka, and the late Margaret Dougan, who worked for me and supported me in Motueka. To the voters of West Coast - Tasman and the National Party, who provided me with 9 years of representation for the West Coast - Tasman electorate, and to my darling wife, Elspeth, and my family, I thank you all, and I thank each and every member, no matter which party you choose to belong to or which path you choose to walk along. Thanks for 9 unforgettable years. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022 data-id=\u00227b1d25d900d54bf0b7cf3452ea2885e8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227b1d25d900d54bf0b7cf3452ea2885e8\u0022\u003ECOLIN KING (National\u2014Kaik\u014Dura):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you for the opportunity to make this, my final statement, in the debating chamber of the 50th Parliament of New Zealand. May I begin by acknowledging some of those who have put up with the 4-metre swells across the Cook Strait today to be with us: my electorate chair, Brian Moore, and his wife, Roberta; campaign chair, Alan Holdaway; branch chair and hoarding manager, Barry Holdaway; and branch chair, Don Moore, and his wife, Sue. May I also acknowledge Sir Doug and Lady Kidd. I also acknowledge my staff\u2014my most valuable staff\u2014in Blenheim and Amberley: Cathie Ferguson, Willie Kaulback, Rose Parsons, and Jan Chisnall, and my parliamentary staff over years, Margaret Traill and now Karen Scarlett. Thank you for your support. It was just fantastic and well beyond what anybody could possibly expect. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003EI must acknowledge, also with great pride and satisfaction, the support I have received from my wife, Lynnette, and our children, Nickolas, Natasha, Laressa, and Katrina. I must also take the opportunity to acknowledge the wonderful support that I have received from the National Party while I have had the privilege of being an MP for 9 years, both from the political wing and from the party membership. Thank you for the guidance and support over those 9 years. I wish the National Party every success in the forthcoming election, and we wait with bated breath for the election result on 20 September. Go well! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003ELast week I did something that I had hoped to do for many a year, and that was to visit the whale-counting operation that occurs every year at this time in the Tory Channel and Cook Strait. Fortunately, on the day that we went out the observers perched up on Tory Channel sighted a large humpback whale cruising through the Cook Strait on its way to the Tropics. We were able to just motor straight out there and watch these guys in their 4-metre runabout in a 3-metre swell dart the whale to take a DNA sample. Just to give you some understanding about how difficult it was, I could hardly hold my camera, my iPhone camera, to actually capture the moment to post it on Facebook. From the point of view of what has gone before us in history, in the context it was most uplifting. You could entitle the situation: \u201CWhaling\u2014from Decimation to Restoration\u201D. These old ex-whalers are now spending endless hours looking into the mist of the Cook Strait to identify that pencil shape of a whale coming towards them. The good news is that about 100 whales came through the Cook Strait during the month, and is that not fantastic? There are more ways for the whales to go, but through the Cook Strait is a bit like the drafting race\u2014you can count them. So from that point of view it is a good measure. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003EI want to make the point that although we may have a strong view on how people earned their living in years gone by, they did sustain themselves and we should neither condemn nor ridicule. Sure, the land-based whaling operations did not decimate the whales. The damage was done by the fleets of whaling vessels from other nations that hunted the whale to near extermination, taking up to 4,000 whales a year, year on year. However, I make the point because I personally have serious concerns, along with many others, about our attitude to sustainable management around the coastline. Today there are 10 times as many people out on the coastline collecting kai moana. The targeting of fish, the catching of crays, the taking of paua and other delicacies has greatly improved, and yet we still argue that it is our birthright to help ourselves to such a resource. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003EAs rational human beings we know that continuing such a harvest of our kai moana will result in serious consequences for us today and for our future generations. It is therefore with much pride that I draw on the example of the community of Kaik\u014Dura, who over the last 8 years, based on the principles of gifts and giving, were able to reach an agreement across the full range of stakeholders: iwi, commercial fishers, recreational fishers, Forest and Bird, and the wider community. They were able to agree amongst themselves as to the best way possible of managing their coastline between the Conway River and the Clarence River. I was amazed to witness the cooperation that existed on that group of Te Korowai people. It is with pride that I now look forward to this process of seeing the passing into law of the Kaik\u014Dura (Te Tai o Marokura) Marine Management Bill, which will enshrine the management plan into law and protect it for the benefit of all Kaik\u014Dura and others who visit in the many years ahead. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003EWhat made this achievement possible was that those involved, the community, clearly understood what was at stake. Local iwi\u2014that is, Ng\u0101ti Kuri\u2014led because they held the kaitiaki over the area, the commercial fishermen pulled in the same direction because they owned the quota and they knew what sustainable management was all about, and the wider community stuck to the task because they knew and valued the employment and they valued their environment. There is no doubt in my mind that this situation is going to have to be replicated throughout New Zealand. Such iconic places as the Marlborough Sounds, the Hauraki Gulf, the Wellington headlands, Bay of Plenty, and the Northland coastline\u2014to name but a few\u2014will need to address this situation as pressure remains and grows. Again, it will require skilful leadership, a willingness to agree and make those gifts and giving. We must face up to the challenge, otherwise we will end up in exactly the same position as those whalers who lost their careers, their opportunities, and their profitability overnight because of a culture of greed and a race to catch the last whale. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003EMy second point that I would like to make is the importance of hands-on learning within our education system. We must appreciate these very important students who, in the future, will continue to fix things, build things\u2014be it trucks, be it motorcars, be it buildings, be it bridges, be it roads, be it essential infrastructure, and all other manner of things. To do this, the education system must equally value these people as we do doctors, nurses, lawyers, and accountants, and design an education curriculum accordingly. I just put it out here in very plain terms. To put it simply, we want to create many Einsteins, but to create an Einstein you need to also have 1,000 skilled technicians to be able to make those things. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003EI wish to mention two people by name at this time. It is always dangerous doing that, but two people have had a big effect on my policy development. Firstly, Stuart Middleton, from the Manukau Institute of Technology, who when I first came into Parliament was already talking about what was lacking within our education system. He has gone on to do some wonderful things around empowering youth, especially Pasifika youth. I take the opportunity here to say how heartened I am to see the Pasifika people taking grasp of education and being aspirational. I also want to make mention of Stewart Thompson, who worked with me in developing the trades academy policy, which was introduced by the Government in 2009. Stewart Thompson convinced me that the passion of an inspiring teacher is what makes the difference. Stewart\u2019s technology classes were full to overflowing, and total engagement with education existed in spades. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003EI ask those responsible for education in the future to maintain the momentum we have for hands-on learning and skills-based education. Education must be relevant to the learners for them to remain engaged and to develop the skills necessary to be successful in life, and that is a pretty high threshold. We must keep them engaged. We are beginning to do better, but there is a lot of work we need to do yet. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003EThe third point I want to leave with the House is my concern around a growing reluctance in this country\u2014and this is my observation\u2014to undertake physically demanding work. We should be concerned when we see those who want to continue living in one location and are not willing or courageous enough to collect up their families and move to where employment is better and more available, where the cost of living is less and the price of providing a roof over one\u2019s family\u2019s head is also less. New Zealand has one of the most generous welfare systems in the world. However, for New Zealand to remain a First World country, we must possess the attitude as stated by George St John and restated by President J F Kennedy: \u201CAsk not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.\u201D\u2014that it is good to create wealth and seek ownership. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003EI admire greatly those Eastern European families who came here in the 1950s and 1960s. I was only a child at the time. They made New Zealand their home and they started afresh after experiencing the Second World War, the Cold War, and the Iron Curtain. It now concerns me that we do bring enthusiastic workers from the Pacific Islands to do the harvesting and cultivation within the horticultural sector and that we need to bring thousands of workers to fill the needs of the dairy industry. Is it not blindingly obvious to all that in doing the work that some of us despise, these newcomers end up creating wealth for themselves and their families to enjoy into the future? It is all symptomatic of a nation that is losing its way when a newcomer can come here and see opportunities that we cannot. Individually, we hold the key to our own success: careful living and good, honest, hard work. Personal responsibility and a desire to aspire should be the aim of us all. Lose this and we become no better than a domesticated animal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003ESir Henry Maine, speaking on social structure, put it well when he said: \u201CNobody is at liberty to attack private property and to say at the same time that he values civilisation. The history of the two cannot be disentangled.\u201D For the institution of private property has been a wonderful institution for teaching man and woman responsibility, for providing motives to integrity, for supporting general culture, for raising mankind above the level of mere drudgery, for affording leisure to think and freedom to act. To be able to retain the fruits of one\u2019s labour, to be able to see one\u2019s work made manifest, to be able to bequeath one\u2019s property to one\u2019s posterity, to be able to rise from the natural condition of grinding poverty to the security of enduring accomplishment, to have something that is really one\u2019s own\u2014there are advantages with this difficult to deny.\u201D In drafting policy and bringing forth legislation in this House, may all members continue to recognise the value of those who toil in the sun or labour under the tin roof, neither despising the value of that work or thinking that it is beyond one\u2019s dignity, because the wealth of this nation was created on the back of physically demanding labour. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003EIn conclusion, may I express my sincere thanks to all members of the House for the courtesy that they have accorded me. Thank you too for the joy of working for the best interests of all New Zealanders, particularly in the primary sector and in the science and education sector, while in Parliament. I am sure, though, that those who are coming behind us will be more than equal to the task. We do live in a blessed land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003ETo the parliamentary sporting trusts, what fun we had in raising money for the most worthy of causes, and in the camaraderie of winning two Parliamentary Rugby World Cups\u2014one in Paris and the other in New Zealand. There was also the pleasure of coordinating the parliamentary and diplomats\u2019 annual cricket challenges, and winning a few. That was quite good. I always remember Paul Swain leaving the House, having won that year against the diplomats. That having been said, we have not won for many years, for about a decade. I am asking the House to make sure that they support Ian McKelvie as he carries on the mantle of looking after the shield and keeping that cricket match going. It has been going for over 40 years, and it is actually quite an illustrious shield with some great MPs\u2019 names on it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003EIf I have one disappointment in leaving Parliament, Mr Speaker, it is possibly one we share together. It is that wisdom has not prevailed when it has come to storing water in North Canterbury. Sadly\u2014and this again is my observation, because I know that some of my Green colleagues would disagree\u2014it is my view that a dog in a manger attitude still prevails, making progress slow and difficult. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003EFinally, I wish to thank the taxpayers of New Zealand for providing the funding for three new hospitals while I was MP in the electorate of Kaik\u014Dura. I am also delighted to have witnessed, as MP, the Te Tau Ihu Treaty settlement situation that has provided eight iwi with their settlements, which will restore their economic base into the future, and also to being a witness to, and being part of, the 8 years\u2019 labour of love\u2014the management of the Kaik\u014Dura coastline, the result of which is the bill I have here, under a pile of papers. I look forward to it being put through the House completely by the time the House rises. I thank the Minister of Conservation and I also thank the Leader of the House for putting that in place. We are very satisfied with everything that is going forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003EJust to conclude, for the most part, from my own point of view what is most satisfying is the momentum that has been achieved around education\u2014the importance that has been put on the hands-on learning situation. Education is relevant. It needs to be relevant. If it is not relevant, you will have disengagement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ffff330f-1757-41d6-9973-25244f0fdada\u0022\u003EI want to thank everybody for the situation that I have enjoyed over the last 9 years. I acknowledge my wife and children. I acknowledge those people who have travelled across the Cook Strait. I acknowledge those people who are supporting departing members. I also acknowledge all the members in the House. We have worked in the very best interests of New Zealand. Kia kaha. Stand tall. Be proud. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022 data-id=\u00221d349698f5eb46e39ef4a27b5497b63b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221d349698f5eb46e39ef4a27b5497b63b\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS TREMAIN (National\u2014Napier):\u003C/span\u003E In life there are many different definitions of success, and in Parliament the same goes. There are many different definitions of what makes a successful politician. Nine years ago I entered Parliament, and, I have to say, I was pretty na\u00EFve. Some would probably argue that that has not changed too much. I had just won the Labour-held seat of Napier, the first time in 50 years, and I thought I had been pretty successful at that point in time. But like all politicians across this House, I entered this place with the intention of helping to create a better New Zealand. We all have the same purpose, just different ideas of how we might achieve that goal. But success in Parliament is not defined by just winning a seat or becoming a Cabinet Minister. Success comes with many different faces.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EI recall in my first year a gym session with Rodney Hide\u2014you might not want to think too hard about that\u2014at the Bolton Hotel. We had a discussion about what made a successful politician. \u201CYou\u2019ve got to take scalps.\u201D was Rodney\u2019s advice, as he sweated away on the cycling machine. \u201CYou can\u2019t be successful in this place unless you take scalps.\u201D was his advice. Shortly after, I was presented with a completely different face of success, from the Hon Jim Sutton, who in his valedictory reflected on the importance of retaining family to ensure a successful political career: \u201CPublic life is often a selfish business. It can be all-consuming.\u201D, he said. \u201CThose closest to public figures often pay a high or unfair price. To those I have hurt, I say \u2018sorry\u2019.\u201D, said Jim. \u201CTo those who follow me here, I say \u2018try to do better than I did\u2019.\u201D Throughout my own political career I have reflected on these words of sage advice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EFor most, however, political success is defined with a more public face. On a daily basis we politicians are built up and we are cut down. Whether it be the number of bills you pass, the number of times you are mentioned in the press, or your performance in select committees, success here is very transparent. This all culminates in an annual ranking of Ministers and MPs. It is a humbling experience, and for some a crumbling experience. It is definitely not for the faint-hearted, that is for sure. The fact of the matter is that only a few of us make it to the very top of this game. There is only a small number of John Keys and Bill Englishes, and Helen Clarks and Michael Cullens. To those from across this House who make it to the very top in this game and who then stay there, you have my absolute respect. It is no mean feat, and staying there is even more difficult.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ETo John Key and to Bill English, I applaud you for your outstanding partnership and your leadership. I have been a member and a leader of many teams in my life, so I can genuinely say that being a part of this team has been an absolute privilege. To Cabinet and to my wider caucus, I congratulate you on leading our nation through one of the most difficult periods in our history. There is a depth to our team, often overlooked by commentators, that continues to provide new and exciting talent when others such as myself decide that their time in this place is at an end. That is exciting. Rejuvenation while a team is on top is often the hardest, but actually it is the best thing to ensure longevity. Can I thank all of my team for your support of both my wife, Angela, and my family throughout my time in this place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EI have not been one of the political rock stars. I have not climbed to the very top of the political ladder. In saying this, I am proud\u2014I am very proud\u2014to have been part of a team that has made, and continues to make, a huge contribution to this nation. I am proud of the part that I have played in that team. To use one of my dad\u2019s analogies, it is all very well for the wingers to take the glory, but if the props and the hookers did not win the ball\u2014[Interruption] That is right. There are some good props around, Mr Sabin. Listen to this. If the props and the hookers did not take the ball, there would be no applause for the Twinkletoes. I guess I have been one of those in the middle of the ruck. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ESome commentators say that you need to watch those behind you more than those across the other side of the House. Well, that has not been my experience\u2014far from it. I have absolutely loved my time here and the friendships that I have made, including many across the other side of the House and in the media. Thank you very much as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ERecently I attended the Aspiring Leaders Forum, where the Maxim Institute brings together 120 of our young leaders. My own son Sam, who is in the gallery today, was fortunate to be an attendee there. The Warehouse Chief Executive Officer, Mark Powell, gave the keynote address and had another definition of success. He defined success as when you are part of something bigger than yourself and when you help others to flourish. It is a great definition of success and to this end Parliament has many, many more examples of successful people who by other measures have not risen to the top or who have by their actions allowed others to shine. I have many examples of these people whom I want to acknowledge this evening. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ECan I start by thanking the people who have supported me while I have been in this place: my electorate office team\u2014Tania Wright, Vicki Sanders, Sue Boyle, Sharon Coates, Sue Page, and Mary Crarer. Tania and Vicki have been with me from day one. Electorate agents, as we across this House all know, are the unsung heroes of an MP\u2019s business. Day in and day out they deal with all spectrums of our society. Being an electorate MP is an incredible job. The diversity of the role is both challenging and rewarding. I want to thank the people of Napier, Wairoa, and the Hawke\u2019s Bay for giving me the huge privilege to represent you over the last 9 years. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EOne of the more memorable experiences was being asked to be the guest of the Go Natural Lifestyle Club to open its new gazebo. I consulted my wife, Angela, as I was too scared to go on my own. She agreed to join me. I spent more time that Saturday morning deciding what to wear than on any other occasion I have ever been to since. Should I be in casual or formal dress, or should I be in my birthday suit? Who knows? Well, we arrived at 11.30 a.m., in time for a tour and lunch. To this day I will never forget driving up the pine-enclosed complex, pulling over in the car-park, and watching the reception party walk down to greet us both. Ange leaned over and whispered in my ear: \u201CMy God, CJ, they really are naked.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EIn my neighbouring electorate, I want to acknowledge my good mate Craig Foss and his electorate staff, particularly Susanna Clark. We have worked closely together to take Hawke\u2019s Bay forward. Reflecting back on my maiden speech, I set goals around Napier health, Napier community policing, the Hawke\u2019s Bay Airport, business growth, and apple exports to Australia. Nine years on, I can confidently say that we have made good progress. We have secured a 10-year commitment to the Wellesley Road Health Centre. We have got community police in at Maraenui and in Tamatea. We extended the Hawke\u2019s Bay Regional Airport runway, and we have championed business growth, trying to get an oil and gas industry and new irrigation up in the Hawke\u2019s Bay. There is still more work to do there, Fossy, actually. Although still only small volumes, our efforts did help to ensure that apples can now be exported to Australia. I want to thank both Phil Goff and Tim Groser for their efforts in achieving that for us. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EThe partnership between Craig and me, under the brand \u201CBacking the Bay\u201D, was a key factor in holding our seats for three consecutive terms. Craig, I have appreciated your friendship and support. In that regard, can I thank my Napier electorate team, who are out there supporting my replacement, Wayne Walford, as we speak. Some of you are here tonight. There are so many who have contributed, and too many to mention you all, but to my electorate chairs over the last 9 years, Tom Johnson, Marshall Savidge, Duncan Watson, Lynne Trafford, and now Ian Mayne, thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ETo the National Party board, particularly my regional chairs, Patricia Morrison and Malcolm Plimmer, and national chairs, Judy Kirk and Peter Goodfellow, thank you for your support behind the scenes, enabling your MPs to bask in the sunshine. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ETo all the people of this House, from the cleaners to the security guards, who ensure the smooth running of Parliament, thank you. If there was ever a group of people who quietly go about ensuring that others can flourish, it is you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EMy time on the backbench was a huge learning opportunity. There is no better place to learn the craft of politics than on the Opposition backbench. It is a great place to make a few mistakes and to live to fight another day. One big mistake that I made required an apology to my leader at the time, Don Brash. Early in my time as a constituent MP, we received a visit to Napier by the Earthrace biodiesel boat. One Peter Bethune visited my electorate office asking me to visit his boat in the Port of Napier. I was busy, but in the course of the conversation I worked out that he would be in Wellington during the next parliamentary sitting, so I agreed I would come and visit with a few colleagues. I suggested to Nick Smith that this would be a great opportunity to give Don some much-needed profile. Ah, not such a good idea! Nick agreed to invite Don. The rest is history and has become the stuff of walk-the-plank legends. Don, please accept my sincere apologies for that particular idea. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ETo Mac Dalton, Alistair Shelton, Pat Humphries, and Stefan Slooten, who have supported me in my parliamentary office, thank you. In particular, can I acknowledge Pat Humphries, who has worked in this amazing institution for much of her life. From junior backbench MPs to two Prime Ministers, Pat Humphries has supported MPs to rise to the top of the ladder. Pat, thank you. [Interruption] Yeah, give her a clap. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ETo my whip\u2019s office team, a huge thank you for your support over the 3 years I served as a junior and senior whip. At the heart of that office is Sue Reid, who has guided many new whips in the right path. Thank you, Sue. I have often described the whip\u2019s role as 50 percent sergeant major and 50 percent local pastor in the church. It is a role that requires the trust of the caucus. We were a tight team, as we are today. There are lots of stories that the whip becomes party to, many of which are not appropriate to share. However, I have one story I would like to tell that involves another apology, and this one is to Louise Upston. She is thinking: \u201CWhat the heck have I done here?\u201D. During the start of my parliamentary year, I was asked by the Young Nats to send a party representative to the Massey campus to participate in O-Week. I asked Louise to be our representative, to which she agreed. At 12 p.m. I received a call from the Young Nats: \u201CWhere is Louise?\u201D. I called Louise. \u201CI\u2019m at the front gate.\u201D, she said. \u201CWe\u2019re at the front gates as well.\u201D, said the Young Nats. It turns out that I had sent Louise to Palmerston North instead of to Wellington. I am sorry about that, Louise. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ECan I thank my ministerial team, headed by Keith Mason, Jenna Raeburn, and Mary-Jane Rendell. Like Pat, Keith, who is up in the gallery today, has been a senior private secretary in this Parliament for over 20 years, working to support the success of Ministers across both sides of the House, for that matter, and now he is supporting Minister Parata. Although I was a Minister for only 2 years, it is an incredible workload that goes through a Minister\u2019s office, with huge diversity. During my time it was great to lead a review of the Fire Service, to initiate significant change in the gambling sector, to introduce the right-hand turn law, to introduce online passports, to oversee the whole-of-Government information and communications technology strategy, and to lead the second tranche of local government reform, amongst all manner of other things. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EI want to pay a huge tribute to the public sector, especially to the team at the Department of Internal Affairs. Under the leadership of Colin MacDonald, the Department of Internal Affairs has transformed into a modern, forward-looking department. Congratulations. There are many in the department who deserve a mention, none more than Marilyn Little. She has worked tirelessly for both sides of this House, providing outstanding advice, helping others to take the credit from her work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EWhen one comes to Parliament, we are all fortunate to give maiden speeches, and one\u2019s valedictory is the chance to reflect on that speech. In my maiden speech, I commenced with a mihi: \u201CWh\u0101ia te pae tawhiti kia tata. Wh\u0101ia te pae tata. Whakamaua kia \u016B, kia t\u012B-na.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[Draw the distant and not so distant horizon closer to you. When that is achieved, grasp it firmly and permanently.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EThe mihi speaks of reaching for the stars, pursuing one\u2019s dreams. At the time it was remarked how unusual it was for a P\u0101keh\u0101 New Zealander to use so much Te Reo in his maiden speech. I actually think our intake surprised more than a few and set a tone for the National Party, one that has truly connected us with middle New Zealand, not the far left or the far right. We came from vastly different walks of life: nurses, builders, diplomats, shearers\u2014Colin King\u2014teachers, shoe salesmen, teen parents, and even real estate agents. We understood what made Kiwis tick. A few of our number have risen through the ranks and many of us have been the solid core of the National caucus, providing stability, consistency and connection to people at the coalface. We have been the props and the hookers of the team. This connection has been continued through the 2008 and 2011 intake, which is absolutely fantastic. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EWhen a mainstream party loses that connection with the aspirations of middle New Zealand, the results speak for themselves. To my colleagues, I say to never ever forget that. In regard to the goals I set in my maiden speech, I am proud to see how much progress has been made in the area of Treaty settlements and to see the huge progress in my own rohe. Although there are still settlements that need to be completed, we are in a totally different place from where we started. The Hon Chris Finlayson will be knighted at a future time for his service in this area. You can hold me to that! In my maiden speech I expressed concern at the lack of progress in our nation, at the lack of opportunities for my children and at the huge numbers of people leaving our shores. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EIn spite of the Christchurch earthquakes, the global financial crisis, and the meltdown of our second-tier finance sector, New Zealand is now judged as one of the best economies in the Western World. Just today Australia\u2019s Treasurer, Joe Hockey, called New Zealand\u2019s economy the envy of the world. It is fantastic to see the turn-round in the migration statistics. I am exceptionally proud to see that. Nothing else reflects people genuinely seeing a brighter future in Aotearoa than those migration statistics. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EIn addition to the goals that I set in my maiden speech, I am proud of my affirmative votes in the smacking legislation, the seabed and foreshore legislation, and the marriage amendment bill. In each of these bills I learnt that leadership is not always about following the status quo or majority opinion; leadership is about challenging the status quo for something that you believe is genuinely better. Under John Key\u2019s leadership we have made huge progress. I am excited about the future of this country and the prospects available to all children in our nation, including my own children. With the economy in such great shape it is an excellent time to leave this House in search of new opportunities. I have already bought into two new businesses and am exploring a third. I am looking forward to re-engaging with my entrepreneurial passion. It is going to be challenging but exciting. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EIn particular, I will have more time to spend with my family, and it is my family whom I would most like to thank as I come to the end of my valedictory. In my maiden speech I said that I would endeavour to put families at the pinnacle of Government policy, because, I said, without strong families we have nothing. I have a strong family and they are here tonight, and even some of the members of my wider family in the provincial club\u2014you know who you are. To my mother, Pam, thank you for your support, and for giving me the opportunity and the independence to do all that I wanted from a very young age. To my father, I miss you hugely and wish that you could be here with your family tonight. Dad, I am wearing your cufflinks tonight. To my brothers, Mark and Simon, we have often been measured against our father\u2019s success, on the sporting field and in life. Each of us, however, has cut our own different paths. I am confident that he would have been very proud of each of us and of our young families. In saying that, I was never able to emulate my dad\u2019s prowess on the sporting field. However, let the Hansard record for eternity that I did captain the Parliamentary Rugby Team to victory in the 2011 Parliamentary Rugby World Cup. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ETo my wife Angela\u2019s parents and family, particularly to Trevor and Jeanette\u2014thanks for Angela and for your huge support of me and our family. To Ange, Sam, Will, and Lily\u2014I love you all dearly. Thank you for giving me this opportunity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003ESo, have I been successful in this parliamentary career? By some measures, certainly; by others, not as well. Sorry, Rodney, I did not take any scalps while I was here, but I have been part of something bigger than myself, most definitely, and my efforts have allowed others to flourish. Yes, I have achieved that. I started my maiden speech in Te Reo, and will end it in our first language. In 2012 I took the Prime Minister to Wairoa, honouring a commitment I had made to the wonderful, wonderful people of that part of my electorate. On that day we had a number of p\u014Dwhiris, where we did not have a speaker to introduce the Prime Minister. That role, and the waiata, fell to me. Upon our return to the caucus on the following Monday, I was required by the Prime Minister to sing that waiata in the caucus room, possibly the first person ever to do so at the National Party caucus. It was rough. I will not make you suffer that again. But I will close with a whakatau\u0101ki\u2014a proverb\u2014that talks of a new beginning, a touch of frost, a new dawn. I think it is appropriate as I leave this place and pursue an exciting new future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003EWhakataka te hau ki te uru, whakataka te hau ki te tonga. Kia m\u0101kinakina ki uta, kia m\u0101taratara ki tai. E h\u012B ake ana te at\u0101kura, he tio, he huka, he hauhunga. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221368ba6c-25be-40f6-a2a0-8f81e1f78b79\u0022\u003E[Cease the winds from the west, cease the winds from the south. Let the breezes blow over the land, let the breezes blow over the ocean. Let the red-tipped dawn come with a sharpened air, a touch of frost and a promise of a glorious day. So greetings and salutations to you collectively and to us all. Thank you. ]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022 data-id=\u0022df37fdee08684f6095d4c5081c5cdcfc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022df37fdee08684f6095d4c5081c5cdcfc\u0022\u003EHon KATE WILKINSON (National\u2014Waimakariri):\u003C/span\u003E When I first entered this House 9 years ago I was a list member of Parliament in a Labour-held safe seat. I leave this place as the electorate member of Parliament for Waimakariri in a National-held seat. This just goes to show that anything can happen and one should never ever take one\u2019s electorate for granted. Now I will leave this place, never ever to suffer defeat as an electorate MP. I especially want to thank the 16,787 voters of Waimakariri\u2014well, actually, one of them was me\u2014who entrusted me with their electorate vote and with the responsibility of representing them in Parliament. What a tremendous honour and a privilege. Constituency work has always been for me the most satisfying aspect of the job. There is nothing better than seeing a constituent come into my office with a problem and leave without it. Of course, not all problems are able to be solved. To the 20,489 Waimakariri voters who had the common sense and wisdom to give National their party vote, well done, thank you, and long may that trend continue and long may National be the party of choice for you. By the way, when I first stood, our party vote in Waimakariri was in deficit by 6,790 votes. We won the party vote that election by 81 votes, a good reflection that indeed every vote does count. In total, that is a turn-round of about 20,000 party votes during my tenure. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003EI have been an Opposition backbencher and a Government backbencher. I have been a list member of Parliament and an electorate member of Parliament, and I do not need to comment on which is better. I have been given the absolute privilege of being a Cabinet Minister. That is like being selected for the All Black team. Not everyone gets to be an All Black, and not every All Black gets to play 100 test matches. So I feel very honoured and privileged to have been selected for the team and to have been able to play my part. Thanks, in particular, to our Prime Minister, the Rt Hon John Key. Without a doubt, he is one of the best Prime Ministers in New Zealand\u2019s history. I will certainly take some reflected glory in having been selected as part of his Cabinet team for just over 4 years, and his caucus team. For those who have not yet read the biography, I feature on pages 194 and 215. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e0815282d974aa1a104b1c9c1d777d6\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a good read.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002210a2722dcea14a3d899cdefdd8b1df4d\u0022\u003EHon KATE WILKINSON\u003C/span\u003E: It is a good read. The stewardship and governance of New Zealand, shown especially by both the Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance, Bill English, throughout what have undoubtedly been some of our most challenging times have been outstanding, and I will always be proud of being part of that team. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003ESpecial thanks must go to my electorate team over the years, my National Party volunteers, friends, and family, many of whom are here today and who have travelled so far just to be here. It is a bit embarrassing, really. If they had not believed in me, supported me, befriended me, advised me, fed me, and looked after me, I would not have been here in the first place, I would not have been able to be here for 9 years, and my tenure here would not have been so fantastic. Thank you also to them and to the National Party for honouring me with this opportunity. To my class of 2005, thank you. To my caucus colleagues, it has been a fantastic journey together. Those remaining do have a huge responsibility to keep looking after our country, making sure it does not get into the wrong hands, protecting both our economy and our environment. I know that you will do this well. To my fellow valedictors\u2014if that is a word\u2014all the best with your post-parliamentary lives. To Natalie, Nat, Natto\u2014she hates that\u2014my executive assistant and then my senior private secretary, you are the best person I have ever worked with. You seemed to understand me, which was no mean feat. You held our team together in room 4.3. I will not embarrass you by tabling in the House your long-awaited reference from me, but here it is. Pick it up later over drinks. To all my team, who are all here except for Svar, who I understand is, hopefully, watching this from Russia, thank you for all your support and friendship over the years. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003EThey say things happen in threes. Well, I was a member of Parliament in Canterbury. Under my watch the worst natural disaster, the earthquakes, happened. I was Minister of Conservation. Under my watch the worst environmental maritime disaster, the Rena, happened. And I was Minister of Labour. Under my watch the worst workplace safety disaster, Pike River, happened. Can I say that at least as Associate Minister of Immigration I did not let Mike Tyson into the country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003ELike every Canterbury member of Parliament, the earthquake events will always stand out for me. What a remarkable time to be a member of Parliament for an electorate and in a home town that was devastated by the earthquakes. I feel honoured to have helped our district in my capacity as MP through what has surely been its darkest time, from shovelling silt during those early days to informing residents of each and every new service and funding the National-led Government provided towards our recovery, as well as the hours and hours of work helping our residents navigate through the repair and rebuild of their homes. We have all learnt so much together, developing a new vocabulary along the way and learning about resilience and community\u2014concepts we lived and which held us together so well. To the Hon Gerry Brownlee, Canterbury and Christchurch owe you a huge debt of gratitude. Your legacy will be remarkable. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003EI have always believed that New Zealand is the best country in the world, and that was certainly borne out during my nearly 4 years as Minister of Conservation. What a fantastic portfolio to have had the privilege of holding. I remember to this day my very first kiwi release. To hold one of those iconic, beautiful birds was a treasure I shall always remember. On this first occasion I was given some very sage advice as I was holding the kiwi firmly, fondly, and possessively. I must admit that the advice was not that welcome. Basically, I was advised in no uncertain terms. They said: \u201CMinister, the idea of a kiwi release is you actually let go of the kiwi and release it.\u201D Thank you, Gavin. One of the absolute highlights, apart from naming one of our k\u0101k\u0101p\u014D Jack\u2014who, by the way, is now 3 years old, fit, well, and starting to boom\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d70dd24293f4f5c917e8396c1168e73\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Oh!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228694a555f97141e7ac92381528f10dbf\u0022\u003EHon KATE WILKINSON\u003C/span\u003E: Exactly. One of the highlights has to be taking Prince William to K\u0101piti Island. What a delightful young man. I would not mind hanging him up in my wardrobe. I have a photo hanging in pride of place on my wall of the prince flanked by the Prime Minister and me. I must admit there was a fleeting moment when I considered cropping the photo, but I did not. The trick, as we all know, with photos is to try to stand in the middle so there is no possibility of being cropped out. Sorry, Nathan. I also remember, when I was Minister of Conservation, having to do a media stand-up with my colleague Gerry Brownlee, who was then Minister of Energy and Resources. There were some critics who said I was not even there, so I just want to put it on the record once and for all that I can assure them I was there; it is just that the camera lens maybe was not wide enough for the both of us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003EIn my time as Minister of Labour there were good times and bad times. The ink on my warrant barely had time to dry when I was told that my 90-day trial bill would be one of the first in our term to go on the Order Paper. It has now been in place for just on 6 years. The protections we built into the legislation worked, and in that time there has been no amendment needed apart from, of course, extending it from small businesses to all businesses. Indeed, that one piece of policy and legislation was credited with having provided 13,000 new jobs in its first year. We had finally caught up with what had happened in most jurisdictions throughout the world. It would be sad if ideology reversed all this. It has helped so many and hurt so few. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003EMost memorable, sadly, was the Pike River mining tragedy. I cannot resile from the absolute fact that 29 men died under my watch. Although I was not personally responsible, I was the responsible Minister, and it happened under my watch. We all wish we could turn back the clock and prevent such a disaster and keep those men safe. We cannot, but I am proud of the setting up of the Royal commission inquiry and now the implementing of its recommendations, putting the spotlight on workplace safety. We often have a national culture of \u201Cshe\u2019ll be right\u201D, but it too often is not right. We lose a worker about once a week and a farmer once a month, and a farmer is hurt about every 30 minutes. So often, those deaths and injuries could have been avoided. We need to change that culture and simply look after our workmates. Governments can do only so much and can be only so effective. Workplaces and workmates can do more. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003EThe food safety portfolio is a fascinating one, although when I was first given the portfolio, a good friend of mine did comment that if the Prime Minister had looked inside my fridge, he would not have given me food safety. Anyway, it started for me with the folic acid debate\u2014not the most memorable one for me. Throughout all the discussions as to how many slices of bread one would need to consume to get the daily intake of folic acid, remarkably it went unnoticed that, actually, I cannot even eat bread. However, the portfolio ended for me with a success, having negotiated with our Australian counterparts on a joint health claims standard. I even had the Australian Minister who chairs the forum make a special trip over here to see me, not particularly happy about trying to convince New Zealand to go with the Australians and not opt out of a joint standard. We won through in the end; otherwise it would have stifled innovation and cost our businesses millions, if not billions, of dollars. There are two lessons from that. Firstly, we have definitely not lost our sovereignty to Australia, and, secondly, if it is good news, it does not always get the good publicity it deserves. In fact, more column space was spent on my being mistakenly referred to as \u201CKate Middleton\u201D than on this food treaty success. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003EOur work in select committees, as has been said, often goes unnoticed by the public. They do not often see the collaborative approach to make good law, whatever our respective ideologies and beliefs. My first success in a select committee was changing the word \u201Cthe\u201D to the word \u201Ca\u201D, and one of my last successes was changing \u201Ccan\u201D to \u201Cmay\u201D. Words can, indeed, make a difference. Yet we still have some really, really stupid laws, or maybe it is just that we have enabled some of our laws to be interpreted stupidly. Why, for example, can I no longer use my business card in the regulated period? Apparently, that is deemed electioneering. It is a business card, for goodness\u2019 sake, and I am not even standing for re-election. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003ELocal successes are always the sweeter. I am particularly proud to have been instrumental in obtaining our health hub in Rangiora, and thanks must go to the Hon Tony Ryall for his support on this and for making it happen. This is a milestone eagerly and long awaited by residents to supplement our world-class St John Ambulance paramedic team serving residents after hours, an award-winning response model. It is so much more worthwhile and responsible to look pragmatically and objectively for solutions rather than negatively focusing on the problems. I always preferred to work hard behind the scenes and help solve problems in priority to trying to attract any headline. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003EWe all have a best-before date and a use-by date, although I believe that some do not recognise either. But I was reminded of that at a university club day I was attending, to help out and support our wonderful, energetic, and enthusiastic Young Nats. A student coming up to our stand made the comment to me: \u201CYou look familiar. Do I know you?\u201D. Since I am not one ever to use the phrase \u201CDon\u2019t you know who I am?\u201D, one of our helpful Young Nats started to say \u201COh, she is a local MP. She is a Minister.\u201D, etc., when the inquirer interrupted and said: \u201CI know. You remind me of my grandmother.\u201D That was a reality check. Still, the alternative to getting older is worse, but it does serve to remind us that this is not a job for life. It goes very quickly and we must make the most of each and every day. Most of us come to this place to make a difference, to make New Zealand a better place. Some do it better than others, some have different views on how to make that difference, some do it differently than others, and probably some do not make any difference at all. I hope in my small way that I have made some small difference to some people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003EIt is a remarkable thing, though. As soon as I made the decision not to stand again, my bucket list magically got bigger and bigger. So now it is time to start emptying that bucket. A big job, I know, but I am up for it. Until 20 September I have a job to do, but then I am away to tick off the first agenda item on my bucket list. It will be the first time in 9 years that I have not had to ask the permission of our whips. Obviously, there will be some things I will miss about this place, but there are also things I definitely will not miss. No longer will I have to ask for leave to go to the Christchurch Show Day or to go on holiday. I will always cherish my time working with and for our residents of Waimakariri as their MP. I have loved the job. I have valued the opportunity. I have been humbled by the privilege. But now it is time to step away and tread a different path, or, as my GPS frequently tells me, \u201Croute recalculation\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003EAs some have been known to say, I have been around for over 30 million minutes so far\u2014not all in this place, although nearly 5 million minutes have been spent here. It is time for me to use those remaining minutes differently. There are now more restaurants and bars in Christchurch than before the earthquakes\u2014more than 120 new ones. I have not tried them all, so I can start working my way through them. Bucket list, here I come. In closing, can I say that in 2005 I was so excited to be here, and now, 9 years later, I am so excited to leave.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022136da8c4-afc7-483e-a39c-c66812f71774\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 5.56 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ab6b12073fad4d9e81c5cacc80cf42da\u0022\u003ESummary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e91f2bf8609c41e1901639858c6c10dd\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022 data-id=\u0022d2fab2f693a44dc79d28cf1687f2686a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d2fab2f693a44dc79d28cf1687f2686a\u0022\u003EDr CAM CALDER (National):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill be now read a third time. It is a huge pleasure to be speaking in the House a mere 1 hour and 50 minutes after my valedictory speech. It was something I did not expect I could do and\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a4677119bed4114a14d6444cbae8b09\u0022\u003EDenis O\u2019Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: Coming back.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a16532d3738a4f97b34c7622ffaca329\u0022\u003EDr CAM CALDER\u003C/span\u003E: It does not betoken a comeback. No, no, it does not betoken a comeback. It merely betokens my delight and appreciation at being able to introduce for its third reading a bill that has been a long time in gestation. I have to acknowledge at this stage the support this bill has received across the House. It has been unanimously supported\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022865ec2801b7f484fa71e47e73a1b94df\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: It was a good dinner break Cam, was it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f043ef7ae80425b8500761f2b045581\u0022\u003EDr CAM CALDER\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014by my colleagues across the House. Mr Twyford was one of those to support it. I did not see him at the post-gathering celebrations but he would have been welcome had he not been so busy, as would my colleague here from New Zealand First, who is sitting in his leader\u2019s position at the moment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EIt is a pleasure to be at this stage, the third reading of the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill. Those who watch Parliament TV will have been aware that there was a lot of debate about this bill at the Committee stage. I believe Mr O\u2019Rourke was part of that debate. Mr Prosser certainly was part of that debate and spoke fulsomely in favour of said bill. He is only human. It was the right thing to do because this bill is small and perfectly formed, and it will actually significantly increase the safety of all of us who travel by air in New Zealand. We have got an excellent airline, Air New Zealand. I was privileged to go along to its annual parliamentary gathering last night. Once again it surpassed itself in the excellence of its presentation, and, in fact, it is doing very well on the world stage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003ESomething like this in New Zealand will improve safety. Legislation does not stop idiots behaving idiotically. We know that. However, the fact that somebody will not be able to go out and stuff a high-power laser pointer, which many speakers in previous speeches in the House did point out are actually weapons, in their pocket and expect to get away with it will mean it will have a preventative aspect. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EI first became aware of the dangers of laser pointers in a sporting occasion, strange as though it may be to report, in 1997 in Montpellier. What was the occasion, I hear you ask? It was the world p\u00E9tanque championships. What was happening? Some recidivists in the audience were trying to put off some of the favoured players by shining laser pointers in their eyes. Even those of us who are not partial to the beautiful game normally\u2014there are not many people in New Zealand who are totally immune to the delights of football. But many of us were watching the World Cup and we saw the Russian goalie\u2014it was shown all round the world\u2014who was attempting to be in full modus operandi for deflecting a corner kick. He was, in fact, struck in the face, in his eyes, by a laser pointer. Shortly after there was another attempt on the goal and he failed to repel that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003EThat is just a sporting occasion\u2014but, of course, it is never just a sporting occasion. But it is not talking about the loss of life. More important is the potential loss of life that could come from laser pointers being used against the pilots of aircraft. Many people in the House, many colleagues across the House, have pointed out the dangers of this. I believe that this bill will have a preventative effect and reduce the chances of this happening. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003ELast year there were 119 reported laser attacks on aircraft and helicopters. The point was made by the New Zealand Airline Pilots\u2019 Association that those are just the ones that were reported in New Zealand, because foreign aircraft would report their strikes to their authorities back home. So this bill is timely. This bill is necessary. It will be a valued legislative tool to improve public safety in our country. I appreciate the widespread support it has received to date in the House, and I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022e5cff509b41b4aaa8724d1eeb6283e94\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e5cff509b41b4aaa8724d1eeb6283e94\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD (Labour\u2014Te Atat\u016B):\u003C/span\u003E I think it is well known that Labour members are supporting the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill. I wanted to use just a few brief moments to pay tribute to Cam Calder, who gave his valedictory speech this evening. Cam is one of the good guys of Parliament. The Deputy Speaker is also one of the good guys of Parliament, but he is not leaving, as far as I know.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e83e020f08304b89813fdb990aefa9fc\u0022\u003EDarien Fenton\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, he is. He is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db927395fb5e4d1cbcef4d801962c57c\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Is he?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223443d7e777344521ba396f8d615733e5\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Sadly, he is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c79eb99f8e2d4cb5abec0b01c34f3070\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Crikey! That is terrible news, Mr Deputy Speaker. That is terrible news. All of the good people on the National benches happen to be leaving. I do not know why that is. But I just want to say that Cam Calder has been a very collegial parliamentary colleague since he entered this House. He was always good to work with on the select committees and a good contributor. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThis bill will be the legacy of Cam Calder\u2019s parliamentary career. We are supporting it because we think it is a modest but useful contribution that will prevent some risk to the travelling public, and particularly the hazard posed by people using laser pointers to interfere with aircraft that are coming in to land. So Labour is supporting this bill. We look forward to its progress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022 data-id=\u002219aa99e146844b328ccc6c498cc1e94a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002219aa99e146844b328ccc6c498cc1e94a\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT (National\u2014Hamilton East):\u003C/span\u003E On behalf of Cam, probably, I would like to thank Phil Twyford for those nice words. I am sure that they are most welcome. Yes, I would just like to congratulate Dr Cam Calder as well on the fine contribution he has made to this Parliament, on this Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill, and also on his great speech this afternoon. I think there were two words that we had to look up in the dictionary, but apart from that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfdabe42-521a-4dca-afab-3e781731a130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ecc35d06453d47b28deb64de5a085c17\u0022\u003EDr Paul Hutchison\u003C/span\u003E: What about the French?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d4e6366592544c0691092ee5354b6013\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: The French was fine. But apart from that, Cam mentioned this bill in his speech. I think his dedication and desire to make a difference in this Parliament goes far beyond this bill. It is something that is nice to be able to do today on Cam\u2019s last official day, you could say, in the House. His contribution is such that it is much bigger and stronger than this bill, and it is something that we thank you very much for, and we thank you for your friendship and your support in this Parliament and for the work that you have done for the National Party. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EThis bill is a practical piece of legislation that will make a difference. I think during the select committee process we have all been impressed with the way that all members of Parliament from the different political parties have worked together constructively to get the best result we could for this bill. It is something that many New Zealanders probably do not think about that often but it actually can make a huge difference if it actually does occur in the public arena. There is the issue of a plane being under the guidance of one of these hand-held lasers, which could cause an accident to occur. Should such an accident have occurred, then I think the public would have demanded that Parliament do something about it. To take this action before that actually occurs is something that does not often happen in politics or in legislation, but when it can and does occur it is something that we should all welcome with open arms. I look forward to the other smaller political parties in this House\u2014the Greens and New Zealand First\u2014adopting a similar rational approach to the one that Labour has taken to this bill. That is something that we look forward to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EThere were some changes during the progress of this bill through the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee, really to make sure that we had the best possible legislation going forward that would cover all the bases and deliver the right results for our communities. This is a good piece of legislation. It is something that I think Dr Cam Calder should be proud of, and we thank him for his wider contribution. We look forward to the bill passing through this House this evening. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022 data-id=\u002218045594ce5c4014928b202dd37f81db\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002218045594ce5c4014928b202dd37f81db\u0022\u003EDARIEN FENTON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E It is a big day for Cam Calder. I want to join with others in congratulating him on his valedictory today and also on his third reading speech on this bill, the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill, which was very enlightening. In fact, I have to say that Cam Calder has lit up this Parliament over his time while he has been here. But he has decided to turn out the lights on his parliamentary career, so we say that with some regret and we say farewell to him. [Interruption] I could do more. Do you want more? Would you like some? OK. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EIt is a big deal to get a member\u2019s bill through the Parliament and it does not happen for many members. Certainly I have tried many times. I have had four bills drawn from the ballot. But I did not have a cooperative party opposite me that was prepared to be as accommodating as the Labour Party has been with Cam Calder\u2019s bill, in terms of the spirit with which we conducted the examination of this bill in the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee and the camaraderie with which we have worked over the time spent on this bill and on many other bills, in fact. That is a disappointment for me, but, however, this is Cam Calder\u2019s legacy, and it is not a bad one to leave, actually. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EWhen you think about it, aircraft are very much on our minds at the moment because of the horrific downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. It just gives you a reminder of the reality of what happens when a plane comes down, by whatever means. Lasers and the pointing of high-power lasers being used to deliberately interfere with a flight path, to shine a light into the pilot\u2019s eyes, and the consequences on public safety and on human life, are enormous. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EThe only note of disappointment I would want to contribute to this debate is that I missed all the excitement during the Committee stage. I understand that exercised Government members for just about the whole night, 2 weeks ago. I thought: \u201CWell, this is great. They are practising their debating skills on such an important bill. They are all getting up and saying what they think and congratulating Cam Calder, and so on.\u201D But, of course, the really disappointing thing\u2014it was really disappointing\u2014was that it was about defeating a Labour member\u2019s bill. That is the truth\u2014that is the truth. It is such an abuse of parliamentary process. I think that member Cam Calder, who is such an upstanding MP, probably felt pretty uncomfortable about that. However, we will get through the Committee stage of the parental leave bill tonight, and it will be ready to pass after the election, when Labour wins the election. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EHaving given my congratulations to Cam Calder, I do say it is a worthy bill, which is why Labour is supporting it. I really hope we have the same camaraderie tomorrow when I deliver my valedictory, and you will join me in a verse of solidarity. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u0022ee73332681204853a1ef925f13138fdc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ee73332681204853a1ef925f13138fdc\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to take a short call on the third reading of the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill, and would like to offer my congratulations to the member on going out in such style. Not many MPs would get to have a bill passed on the evening of their valedictory. I think that is quite an achievement. I do think you are one of those MPs who have worked really collegially in this House and will be missed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EWe are supporting this bill, of course, because it just makes sense and is a good idea. I would like to say, though, that some of the joy of this moment, Dr Calder, has been tainted for me, I have got to say, by the behaviour on the last members\u2019 day of that side of the House. I notice that things are moving quite quickly this evening on this third reading. There is actually not much substance. Although it is a very, very important bill, there is not a huge amount of detail to it. The fact that that side of the House took 23 speeches on the last members\u2019 day to discuss this bill, which has very little detail to it, does make me very sad, because it was about a political point. That your party chose to use your bill to do that has tainted it somewhat, I think. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a55cc26b6a0b4607a5fed3e580d7b37f\u0022\u003EScott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: What a sanctimonious, arrogant comment from that Green member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2b899cb59374f17a61f8ad11ccfa99f\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE\u003C/span\u003E: I am being called sanctimonious and arrogant for sharing my disappointment at the fact that this has prevented New Zealand families getting 26 weeks\u2019 paid parental leave before the election. I think that is a bit of a shame. It was also a shame hearing some of the members on that side of the House after the debate last time saying \u201CWell, that was fun.\u201D as they prevented families getting 26 weeks\u2019 paid parental leave. It was one of the more disappointing moments for me in this House. But I will leave it there, on a final note of congratulations again to the member on making a difference and on going out with such flair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022 data-id=\u002286903ada326d4d35950403ea53cd8aa9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286903ada326d4d35950403ea53cd8aa9\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR (National\u2014T\u0101maki):\u003C/span\u003E I am really pleased to take a call on the third reading of the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill, and to shine a little light on Dr Cam Calder. In fact, I have been shocked during the course of this bill. I have learnt two things: first and foremost, tonight I have learnt you can deliver a valedictory speech and then return to the House and give a speech. I have almost been as shocked as I was in the Committee stage when I found out that Mike Sabin was a police officer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022830d9294cafa44d09abf20658407af91\u0022\u003EMike Sabin\u003C/span\u003E: Really?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022773b770fc5bb4147811597c7ed03adfb\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, I am still recovering from that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d11a3e98778b4d10ad837afb9724241a\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s his family background?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268fcca02138b4db192b07b18849b22f6\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, exactly. Quelle horreur! I do remember, actually, in speaking in defence of what the last speaker was accusing this side of, that we actually saw it as relatively important to draw out the important consequences of this bill. I remember that Committee stage well. In fact, my father was here at that time. I suspect he is listening in again. He certainly sent his best regards to you, Cam, as you delivered your valedictory. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EThis is an important bill. I think the member opposite, Darien Fenton, addressed it well when she referred quickly but quite appropriately to what has happened with flight MH17\u2014not so much the particular nature of how that airliner was downed but the fact that the bringing down of an aircraft by whatever means is a major incident. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EDr Calder, right at the start, indicated just the sheer number of times that this problem with lasers is reported by New Zealand pilots, but, importantly, noted that a lot of the reports go to other airlines, as is appropriate. This is a problem. It has taken Dr Cam Calder to see that issue, to engage with the community and those experts in the field, and to take the time and effort to draft this bill, bring it to the House, guide it through the House, and bring it now here to the third reading, where\u2014well, looking at the clock at the moment\u2014it will, I assume, pass unanimously tonight. I think it is an excellent legacy for Cam. Again, an earlier member alluded that not many members of this House have the opportunity to even have a member\u2019s bill, to get one drawn out, and then if it is drawn out to have it concluded in the House. So, Cam, I think that is yet another achievement that you have brought here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EI say \u201Cyet another\u201D because this bill, a good bill, sits alongside an enormous amount of other work that Cam has done. I want to quickly highlight two of those elements. The first, of course, is as a hard-working MP in the heart of Manurewa. As someone who briefly worked alongside you, Cam, I saw day after day that hard work. It has now translated into something like this bill here around the summary offences. I think you will be missed, Cam, from this caucus, from this House, and by the people of Manurewa. I will miss you, mate\u2014that has to be said. The other side, though, is this Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill. It is not the only contribution you have made. Obviously as the chair of the Education and Science Committee you are bringing to a closure the cross-party inquiry into parental engagement in schools. I think that is fantastic, as well. But this bill is important, and I am really pleased that everyone, basically, is supporting it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EThe misuse of lasers is a problem. I was talking to police officers a few months\u2019 back when I had the privilege of going out with them on patrol. They were indicating that even those on an eagle helicopter were getting blinded. We had in a public meeting in T\u0101maki a few weeks after that some people from the Airline Pilots\u2019 Association noting the trouble that it was causing them. We in the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee have taken quite a bit of time to go through this bill, and I think that was reflected in the Committee stage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EI just want to touch on, as we hit this third reading, some of the elements that the Committee of the whole House considered. The first is around the name of the bill. I think actually it was the Hon Kate Wilkinson earlier who, in her valedictory, indicated that words are important and good wording leads to good ideas. We have changed the name of this bill, retitling it by using the words \u201Chigh-power laser pointers\u201D. Initially, the bill title mentioned hand-held lasers, and we thought that it was actually just a bit too specific. Lasers do not necessarily have to be hand held. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EThis was a bill whose title we thought we could broaden out. The changed title, which talks about high-power lasers, accurately reflects the types of lasers that it can control. We had a lot of debate in the Committee stage around what those types of lasers were, and a few constituents actually were emailing me at the time\u2014obviously, there is everything from military use to those interested in astronomy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EOne of the things I know Cam rightly pushed for and pushed back against was around the whole question of the commencement date. Once this bill gets the Royal assent, should it come into immediate effect? Others said we should push it out for weeks, or months. I think, Dr Calder, we came to a good agreement that we would allow this legislation to come into effect 28 days after it receives the Royal assent. I would suggest that there is an element of sort of natural justice in the way you have to give people an opportunity to understand the law and integrate it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EThe seizure of lasers was something that was particularly brought to my attention in a public meeting by a representative of the New Zealand Airline Pilots\u2019 Association who, it had turned out, was actually a constituent of mine, so it was doubly good, and who was wondering about the seizure of these lasers. She was querying why there were not particular elements or provisions in the bill about this. We considered this, and the reason it is not specifically there is that we are able to draw on the search and seizure legislation, which this Government has proudly already pushed through, so we were able to use that. I think that is an illustration not only of this Government but of the House understanding the import of existing legislation and how we use that moving forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EThe last area, as you would expect, was around the whole definition of what a hand-held laser or a high-power laser device is. We took a long time considering this. We wanted clarity not only for the public but obviously for the police and the courts. They are ultimately the ones that need to manage this. We basically went down the line. I have to read it here specifically. It is the Customs Import Prohibition (High-power Laser Pointers) Order 2013. So this is an existing law on the statute books, a regulatory power, given\u2014and I have forgotten the exact name of the official, but they define what a laser is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EOne of the big elements of that is that a pointer needs to have an output of greater than 1 milliwatt, but I think Dr Calder, in his speeches throughout all stages, has noted that even the smaller powered lasers can have an impact, but we have felt that it is the right way to go by defining this as a power output greater than 1 milliwatt. And what is important here\u2014and those who have heard me talk on various elements of legislation would note this\u2014is consistency. So this Act in the name of Dr Cam Calder will use the same structure as that customs import prohibition. [Bell rung] Although that was a bell that rang, this is ultimately a bill about lights, and I want to end as I began, which is\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229fcdcff0a6b84ff588c32a7ddf4a6b05\u0022\u003EScott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: Bells and whistles!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022481aedf1a9e34600bea9e734b18cfec7\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: No, no bells and whistles, unfortunately. That might be a member\u2019s bill for the honourable member for Coromandel. I think, actually, banning whistles in the likes of Mission Bay late at night would go down very well with my constituents. But I turn back to Cam Calder, who has sponsored this bill, created this bill, and drawn it through the House. Cam, I think it is absolutely fantastic that even post-valedictory you get the opportunity to speak in this House, and may I join with other colleagues who have spoken in thanking you for your service to Crown and country and for being just a bloody good mate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022 data-id=\u0022f3fe2efe392d413483fe56f2ea39a995\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f3fe2efe392d413483fe56f2ea39a995\u0022\u003ERICHARD PROSSER (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E It is always a pleasure to follow the erudite and enlightening Mr Simon O\u2019Connor. I am very pleased to rise to take a final call on the third reading of the good Dr Calder\u2019s most excellent member\u2019s bill, the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill. New Zealand First supports this bill. We are proud to support it and pleased to have the opportunity to support it. This is a fine bill, and we in New Zealand First believe that it will make a quite splendid law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003EThis is a short, simple bill but it will have quite far-reaching effects. By removing powerful hand-held laser pointers from the hands of people who have no legitimate purpose for possessing them, Dr Calder\u2019s bill\u2014his swansong, his legacy for this august institution\u2014will make New Zealand a safer place. Of this there is no question. As we debate, even as we plan their demise here in this House of the people, there are ne\u2019er-do-wells out there who look to the skies with lasers in hand and malice aforethought. Dr Calder\u2019s bill will make flying in New Zealand a safer undertaking. Removing powerful lasers from persons of nefarious intent will materially lessen the risk and incidence of such devices being used to interfere with airliners on approach to our airports, with other aircraft, and with police and rescue helicopters. Indeed, it will make driving on our roads safer, as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003EWe are fortunate here in New Zealand that we have not, as yet, suffered greatly in the way that some nations have as a result of the same kinds of idiots who think it funny to blind pilots by using their dangerous toys to dazzle, and to distract drivers on the motorway. This has happened in other parts of the world, and it would have been only a matter of time before this country came to suffer similarly. Fortuitously, Dr Calder\u2019s bill has come before this House and through its processes just in the nick of time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003EVia this new mechanism, we the people can negate the potential for harm posed by such persons and their illicit use of these devices. We can remove the said devices from the possession of the aforementioned scoundrels and bang said scoundrels up at Her Majesty\u2019s pleasure for a short, sharp 3 months. May it be an unpleasant and uncomfortable 3 months for anyone so convicted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003ETonight we have been treated to Dr Calder\u2019s valedictory speech as he prepares to depart these halls for whatever adventure life has in store for him next, and a fine speech it was too, I might say\u2014as fine a speech as this bill is a fine bill. Standing ramrod straight and fixing us with a gaze every bit as steely and direct as any laser beam, Dr Calder has bid us farewell and left us with this, his legacy. Well done, I say, Dr Calder. Well done and thank you\u2014fair winds and flat seas. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003EWe have come to the end of this process of lawmaking. At the conclusion of this debate we shall vote this bill on to the statutes and into law. It will be a fine law. It is a necessary law, and, as I have said, a law that has found us just in the nick of time. I do not intend to delay the passage of it unnecessarily. Over the course of this bill\u2019s passing through the House, we have learnt about the need for such a piece of legislation, we have examined the science of lasers, we have heard harrowing tales from overseas and from the skies above us, and we have learnt about legitimate uses for lasers, as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003EI bought another one myself only last week. Strolling as I was with no particular intent, as one does, through one of the admittedly less well-trod corridors of one of the lower floors of my extensive armoury, I discovered a certain sporting long gun that I had somehow omitted to fit with a laser sight. That omission, I can tell the House, has now been rectified. But that is a legitimate purpose, and what we are dealing with here is improper use. This bill addresses that improper use. It is a fine bill from a fine member who will be genuinely missed. We support it, and I commend it to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022 data-id=\u0022cf967843748b484b97f3f18677c3f25d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cf967843748b484b97f3f18677c3f25d\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN (National\u2014Northland):\u003C/span\u003E I am very pleased to be able to take my last call on this bill, the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill, and I will join with all others in this happy moment, this happy-fest, to congratulate Dr Cam Calder on his fine valedictory speech today, but more so on his outstanding contribution to New Zealand, to the community of Manurewa, and to us, as a caucus team. You will be sadly missed, my friend. I am saying that only because if I need a diagnosis of something on the cheap I will obviously be coming to see you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b3e7c76c0e0409cb2ef448dcfa5ead0\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: He was an expert on prostate cancer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225531306494284c6988401e42a6d11d6e\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN\u003C/span\u003E: Was he? Well, I will withdraw that request.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EIn all seriousness, can I just acknowledge Dr Calder for getting a member\u2019s bill across the line. When it comes down to it, when parliamentarians come and go, there are very few who will get the honour of being a Minister. I guess that in that position, certainly, the legacy that Ministers leave is the ability to really be in charge of the legislative agenda, and many laws are made or taken away, and so forth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EThe other vehicle for parliamentarians in the main is the member\u2019s bill, and many members\u2019 bills are in the ballot. Some have merit and probably many do not, but the fact of the matter is that to get a member\u2019s bill drawn from the ballot is pure luck. To actually succeed in getting a member\u2019s bill passed into law is about skill, determination, and having an absolute understanding of what this place is about and what the community needs in terms of legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EMembers\u2019 bills face exactly the same scrutiny as any Government bill, so the point I want to make on that is that although Dr Calder\u2019s effort on this laser bill is something that most people will not stay awake at night wondering about, it is a very important piece of legislation. He should be commended for the fact that he has been a parliamentarian who has successfully brought a member\u2019s bill through this House and has been successful in getting it passed. So I just offer my congratulations on that score. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003ESurprisingly enough, we had some quite robust debate on the bill and a lot of discussion on a number of the facets of the bill. One of the main ones was whether it should be about high-power laser pointers or just about hand-held lasers. [Interruption] Yes, so there was a lot of discussion on that and on where that should land. I certainly raised the analogy of when we have the unlawful possession of a knife, for example\u2014so, the possession of a knife in a public place without a reasonable excuse\u2014where the offence is not determined by the length of the knife, but it is simply that the knife is in the possession of a person, without reasonable excuse. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EI sort of felt that Dr Calder\u2019s point in terms of the same rule applying to a laser pointer was actually very valid. But as we progressed and looked in more detail at the implications for all those university professors out there and all those teachers and people who frequent the land of the hand-held laser, it was clearly determined that with this being a preventative piece of legislation, it should fall squarely in the area of high-power laser pointers, which would ultimately cause the most damage. If Dr Calder can just remind me, is it 60 miles that the laser could reach?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec0312bfe475419eac1555736b56062b\u0022\u003EDr Cam Calder\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d7874663869426db296dd2b80c9836c\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN\u003C/span\u003E: It is an astonishing distance. So Dr Calder gracefully accepted the advice of the officials, and I actually think it has landed in a very sensible space on that. The point is that it was last year, I think, when there were more laser strikes on aircraft than ever before. The Civil Aviation Authority\u2014if I am correct; I am not exactly sure\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea0a45e4a7f2487984c2ee9e4e512ec9\u0022\u003EDr Cam Calder\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s correct.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002279cc4ae1afbc42d7acfa5088e2117678\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, the Civil Aviation Authority reported that there were more laser strikes than ever before in the last year, and there has certainly been in excess of 100 strikes a year in recent years, which is phenomenal. When you see how these things reflect in a cockpit, it literally blinds the pilots. It is horrendously dangerous, which is why I think that over a number of years now we have actually seen hand-held lasers used in warring countries to literally bring down aircraft. We have seen them used against rescue helicopters and a police helicopter. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EIt defies belief why some idiots out there would think that that is a fun or an interesting thing to do, or would even consider doing something as stupid as that. Possibly it is because they do not know of the impact of them\u2014that they can be so effective at literally blinding the pilots or bewildering them\u2014but I think that many have come to that conclusion, because there has been a lot of publicity on this for a number of years. So one can only assume that they are actually doing it, knowing full well that they could bring about a pretty significant outcome. We have seen them doing it at vehicles from overpasses, and so forth. Dr Calder pointed out that we have even seen them used at the Football World Cup, and they have certainly been used at rugby matches, and so forth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EThere are some serious idiots out there, and this law is about those serious idiots and about saying that, actually, this is not on and that there will be a consequence to doing it. This bill will make it an offence to be in possession of a high-power laser pointer without reasonable excuse, and so it should be. So it is a preventative thing, rather than a punitive move, and that is why there is a 28-day period, I guess. It is to get some education out there, and to get the police in the right space in terms of them using this bill as a deterrent. Prevention will always be better than cure and, my goodness me, if there was ever a commercial aircraft taken down, heaven forbid. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003ESo in that sense, this bill is in many ways about preventing the loss of life. Although we have trifled and we have had a bit of fun, Dr Calder, I think it is fair to say that the reason this House is supporting this bill is that it is just good, practical, common sense. It is not the New Zealand First variety of common sense, of course, because that is just sort of sloganized, populism stuff. This is the real common sense that New Zealanders actually know and understand, not the one that you just paint on a sticker and that means that that is what we must have. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EIn any event, the bill is practical, it is common sense, and it is preventative, and I think in that sense it certainly has deserved the support of the House. It has had the support of the House. I think that Dr Calder should be commended for the fact that he has been willing to concede some points in this bill, to ensure that it was a bill that was fit for purpose right across the House, and with the officials, and so forth. I think the Labour Party certainly raised some concerns and said that it should apply to high-power laser pointers. I think that Iain Lees-Galloway famously said in the House that he actually uses a laser pointer at home to play with his pussy. I was not quite sure where he was going with that one. I mean, I usually use a ball of wool or something like that, but fine, play with your pussy with a laser pointer\u2014fair enough. We all have our different ways of entertaining the cat. Although we did trifle with that, the reality is that a low-power laser, or one under 1 milliwatt, is it\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022835d7a4472b64b8f90496fac5384a3bf\u0022\u003EDr Cam Calder\u003C/span\u003E: Under 1 milliwatt.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002224c9b71b089a491d9f4f03235a5ed8fd\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN\u003C/span\u003E: It is under 1 milliwatt. You know, if it is good enough for Iain Lees-Galloway to play with his pussy, it is probably not likely to cause the sort of damage that a high-power laser pointer would, and I think that is why we have\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002214a3ed2146014b84a110dd3239c65002\u0022\u003EMoana Mackey\u003C/span\u003E: Grow up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e174ba325ad041cab6869aeaf7ff6e60\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN\u003C/span\u003E: I am fully grown, I think. I was supposed to be a lot taller, of course, but something went wrong along the way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003ESo can I just join the House in commending Dr Calder for this piece of legislation. It will ultimately be something that does save lives. In all seriousness, I think that the member should be commended for that, and I wish him very well in his life beyond politics. He will be remembered well here, and will be a friend to us all for a long time. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u002211458244c8e34e57baaa88236f106bd5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002211458244c8e34e57baaa88236f106bd5\u0022\u003EANDREW LITTLE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E It is a pleasure to rise and speak on the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill. I think that as we enter the final sitting days of this 50th Parliament, it is appropriate and timely to embark on what I think we are all really here for\u2014that is, to act as parliamentarians. Occasionally, it is permissible to shed the political colours and banners under which we arrive here in order to celebrate and honour the traditions of this fine House and the role that it plays at the heart of our democracy. You see that in valedictory speeches, or you usually do. There were some valedictory speeches in which that generosity of spirit was not expressed today. That, unfortunately, reflects the true state and the modern state of today\u2019s National Party\u2014lacking in generosity, charmless, graceless, a miserly and miserable party\u2014which explains, no doubt, why Cam Calder is leaving. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ECam Calder is somebody whom I have come to know in my 3 years here and is a man amongst men, but he is one of those men who I think genuinely epitomises the spirit of leadership, compassion, and humanity, which is not widely found in every political party in this House. Cam Calder has a number of other redeeming features to him. It helps that he hails from Taranaki\u2014the mighty province, the great province, and the province generating great wealth not only in its minerals and its financial resources but in its people. Cam Calder is one of them and he wears, I see tonight, the colours of Taranaki\u2014a region of which he is so proud even though he does not live there currently. Of course, he is also known for another great achievement and that is his p\u00E9tanque playing. We do not often talk about that about Cam but he is an accomplished and, indeed, an international-grade p\u00E9tanque player. I defy any member of this House to challenge Cam Calder to a game of the mighty boules and see whether they can hit the kitty or do whatever it is they do with their very heavy, hefty little items. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EBut I want to talk about the legislation\u2014because that is what we are here for, after all\u2014and to join with my colleagues who have, I think, been very generous not only in their acknowledgment and honouring of Cam Calder, the author of the bill, but also in paying due heed and seriousness to the objectives of the bill, which is, as Mike Sabin has said, a public safety measure. It is about the safe conveyance of passengers and crew on aircraft. I know that Richard Prosser said the bill is about ensuring that there is not improper use of these high-power lasers. Actually, it is not that. It is about the possession of high-power lasers without reasonable excuse and that is not a subtle difference; it is a very important distinction. There are very few legitimate uses for these sorts of devices. Obviously, lecturing, training, and imparting information are some of them, but there is no need for people to be walking on down the streets or hiding behind the bushes and dazzling passing traffic whether it is cars, trucks, whatever, and certainly not air traffic. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThis is a well-directed piece of legislation and it rightly has the support of the House and it has the support of the Labour Party. I think it will send a very clear signal and a very clear message to those who think that this is some zany sort of fun now that there is an explicit sanction against it and some real penalties against those who would behave in that sort of way. I congratulate Cam Calder on having the bill selected and shepherding it through all the stages. I think there was a pretty good and detailed and serious consideration of it at the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee. This will be a good piece of legislation, as that reflects the author of it and the contribution that he has made to this House in the time that he has been here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u0022f6c1e052978745f792d84f33d5d1f0d2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f6c1e052978745f792d84f33d5d1f0d2\u0022\u003EALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E It is always good to speak after the member Andrew Little because he also provides a little platform to speak on. We know that the party slogan of the Labour Party is \u201CVote positive\u201D, but he could not stay on message. He began negative, and talked about the National Party and all its negatives tones. Some of us wondered how Labour got its branding and logo. We sort of think the party members got together and they realised that the polls were not doing well, so they had a little committee. They met together and they questioned what was going wrong. What was going wrong was that they kept on talking negatively about everything that was going on. So what they said was this: \u201CLet\u2019s go out there and let\u2019s tell people to vote positive.\u201D The difficult thing for Mr Little is that every time he tries to act positive it is very difficult and he goes negative. But he did go back on message. I would have to give you that, Mr Little. You went back on message and became very positive as well at the same time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI want to join in that positive stance because really tonight is the night we want to congratulate our member, our colleague, \u201CMr Tripod\u201D here, the honourable member Cam Calder\u2014because he is an honourable member. One thing I have absolutely enjoyed about our colleague in our time here is that on the many times he has stood up in the House he has been very passionate, he has been honest, and he has been true to his convictions and what he believes is important for the communities that he serves. Here he is. Yes, he is the man from \u201Cthe Naki\u201D. He may live on the Shore but when the opportunity to serve Manurewa came, he went in there, boots and all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EEven today I actually said to Cam: \u201CThat\u2019s right\u2014Manurewa hard.\u201D He said: \u201CAlfred, we\u2019re no longer going to go there. It\u2019s Manurewa proud.\u201D And he began to tell me about the reasons. He said that for the community that he serves out in Manurewa, so many times things have been hard. He said he wants to change that. For the time that he has been there serving that community\u2014over 6 years\u2014he has been talking about how this community can be proud of the place that they live in, of the things that they have there, of the schools and the services they deliver. So I really want to commend you, Cam, because you have been absolutely a champion of the community of Manurewa. When people look into that community they may judge it by all sorts of different things, but as you have worked in there you have wanted to say that Manurewa, its community and its people, should be proud of the place that they live in, should be proud of the community that they serve, and should actually grow that community from the inside out to be transformative. I want to commend you for the Government that you have been working in and the role that you have played as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIt is an honour for anyone to be able to have their own member\u2019s bill drawn, and we have talked about it being the roll of the dice. There you go\u2014you have come out of the ballot and you have had your member\u2019s bill drawn. But as my colleague here Mike Sabin said, it is one thing to get drawn; it is another thing to take the bill to completion. One thing that I know from my colleague here is that as Cam Calder has worked on the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4284e36ada94d188e7dc8f7c80fae59\u0022\u003EMike Sabin\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s lobbied like you wouldn\u2019t believe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b18ca401a2944959a2ccc083248c736a\u0022\u003EALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: He has lobbied in a way that has made a difference and here is the proof in the pudding. He has been the chairman of the Education and Science Committee where he has had to work in a collegial way, knowing that the fact is that the balance of power can sway either way. That is testament to your chairmanship. That is testament to the fact that you have lobbied and you have worked. You wanted to get a collegial and consensual response to supporting the things that you have led as well. You have done that and you have done a great job with your bill as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThere is another thing I want to say about this bill\u2014and it is my first time to speak so it is actually an honour to be able to speak to this bill. But can I say that people have commented that it is only a small bill. But it is a small thing that makes the difference. You may tick it as an output saying yes, the purpose of this bill is to be preventative in its impact. But you see it is the outcomes that I often look at, which do make the difference. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo here are some of the outcomes that I think make a difference. The bill tells juvenile offenders who are out there and it tells young people\u2014and we have all been young in our days\u2014that when they go out there that, yes, you can be a little bit cavalier, you can maybe go out in a bit of folly and play. I am trying to use these words that I know that Mr Cam Calder would use. But the fact is that there comes a time when you need to be responsible, and I think that is the key word. This is preventative because people are going to be responsible even for the things that they take into their hands. You have talked about this: that a hand-held laser can be used in a way that it can become a weapon. So here is an outcome that it is doing. It is sending a message to people who are out there to be aware and be responsible for their actions as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe second outcome that I think is important is that it puts in the hands of our enforcement agency a tool that enables them to use this in a way that actually ensures that they can enforce this provision. It allows them to be able to take action, if needed, and to enforce the legislation and the laws that come out of this bill as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EWhen we think about this we think about the Malaysia Airlines tragedies and so forth and what happened there. I began to think about this hand-held laser legislation and the impact that it could have and I thought about NZ474. That is the 6.40 flight that leaves Wellington through to Auckland. I know that often Cam and a number of us Auckland MPs catch that flight. I think on average there would be about 12 to 15 MPs on there. Could you imagine if that flight NZ474 was coming down to land in Auckland and it was blinded by a laser, all of a sudden it lost its path, and the tragedy of all tragedies happened and 15 MPs of Parliament were tragically taken away? That would be a tragedy of all tragedies. We could have been in that situation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228cf0fb6b-0b8f-4327-983d-73e1166c220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224930ee90e743442392e61c1eb2d461c2\u0022\u003EDr Cam Calder\u003C/span\u003E: Some people may disagree with that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227d552d6d0b84d1c89bdfd4100181f7f\u0022\u003EALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: That is right. We laugh at it and we jest, but the truth of it is that in the wrong hands, in an irresponsible way, we know that hand-held lasers can cause damage. We know that, for instance, as has been quoted, the number of incidents of laser strikes has increased and it can only increase unless this bill, which is an important bill, enforces a key message of responsibility for people who are out there as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EWhat we also know is important is that this has caused damage. Here is some of the evidence that we know is out there. In June 2011 a young boy who played with a laser purchased in Thailand reflected the beam in his eye through a mirror and he suffered damage to his eye. We know they cause harm. In June 1998 at a Waikato rugby union game approximately 30 cases of arc eye were reported after a rugby match. So we know that it does happen, we know the impact that it has, and we know the damage it can cause. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI just want to finally finish up on this. I just want to acknowledge my colleague. He will go out there. I just say that it is a proud moment to be able to ensure that at this third reading he has got unanimous support. Not many bills get unanimous support, so that you can say that right across the House people support its intent, they support its action\u2014not only its output but its outcomes\u2014to truly make a difference to our communities. I salute you, Dr Cam Calder, and thank you for your work and for your service to New Zealand, to this Parliament, and to the National caucus.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022 data-id=\u0022bfab758df71345398c1db183af264328\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bfab758df71345398c1db183af264328\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: This is a split call\u2014Sue Moroney.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022 data-id=\u0022498a7163c88e4a28847dbcc90d6b446b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022498a7163c88e4a28847dbcc90d6b446b\u0022\u003ESUE MORONEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E On the issue of every party in the House supporting this Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill, can I say that, yes, it is supported by every party, and therefore how bizarre it was that the bill was filibustered for so long, given every party supports it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EBut before I come back to that issue, can I just congratulate Dr Cam Calder on his valedictory speech today, on his parliamentary career, and on the very, very good timing of getting a third reading of a member\u2019s bill through on the same day as his valedictory. That is some remarkable feat of timing, and I congratulate him on that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EHowever, on the issue of timing, I am very disappointed that this bill has been used to stop families from getting 26 weeks\u2019 paid parental leave. I think it is a very great shame that that has been the primary use of this bill, because it deserves so much better treatment than that by the National Party. But that is indeed what has happened. It is an important measure that is being dealt with here. It is one that is worthy of Parliament\u2019s time, but it was not worthy of that much parliamentary time, quite frankly. I do take it a little personally. I had my parents here on their 59th wedding anniversary, and they had to sit and listen to the most bizarre, boring speeches from the National Party about lasers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022efbfe9d7108e4f938a5dad523499fdf4\u0022\u003EDenis O\u2019Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s normal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e0eeb8772b8e4c29808ae8cd185bb55c\u0022\u003ESUE MORONEY\u003C/span\u003E: I know it is normal. But I had to explain to my parents why this was happening. The fact that it was happening was an affront to New Zealand families, and that is the great shame of it. I know that the National Party members opposite have just made reference to a couple of times when the Labour Party has filibustered. Can I say that the Labour Party has never filibustered to get in the way of supporting families. That has never happened, and shame on the National Party for using this bill in order to do that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EHowever, my congratulations go to Dr Cam Calder. I think it is a great shame the way that this bill has been used, but I congratulate him none the less on bringing it forward to this Parliament, having it debated, and getting it through its third reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022 data-id=\u00223e642306c325409bb56278b92b74cb43\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223e642306c325409bb56278b92b74cb43\u0022\u003ESTEFFAN BROWNING (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I am pleased to be able to speak briefly to this bill, the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill, as well. I note that when it was first presented to the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee following its first reading it needed some tuning as such. Tuning maybe is the right word when we are talking about lasers. It is good that the bill has ended up where it is, and I congratulate Dr Cam Calder on that. The current bill is probably what was aimed for in the first place, and it was probably a little bit broad initially.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002270b774d866fc4ae0b4eaaeb339585423\u0022\u003ESue Moroney\u003C/span\u003E: Excuse the pun.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7f9da1d6317413484fbe0f837329bb1\u0022\u003ESTEFFAN BROWNING\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, many puns. That is one of the congratulations. The other congratulation is, again, for Dr Calder\u2019s valedictory speech and some of the points in there. Some I might have found a little bit too much towards the National Party style and philosophy, and I did not agree with it all, but I felt it was a very good speech all the same. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EI would like to congratulate Cam as well\u2014and I just use this laser bill in terms of the protections it is intending\u2014on his wearing of the white ribbon. As a White Ribbon ambassador I have looked even further today, Cam. I fully intend, and it will be on the Hansard, to get you nominated to be an ambassador for the future. We have talked about it at times, and it is a shame that I have not had the response from White Ribbon to ensure that this has happened. But we need a couple of referees, and the job will be done. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228999c217-9b84-4577-b9b1-bcc8e9c7a395\u0022\u003EI would like to leave with those congratulations. Again, in terms of filibustering, I find it is a shame as we could have had another bill through, such as the foreign-chartered vessels bill. If we had managed to get some other bills through too, that bill would have stopped a lot of harm to another bundle of people. It is great that this bill is here, but the foreign-chartered vessels bill should get through. It would be great if National would see the way to get it through next week. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022 data-id=\u002246e14fd255c34b5dbaf89e533d7cf9f4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002246e14fd255c34b5dbaf89e533d7cf9f4\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: This is a split call\u2014two National calls.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022 data-id=\u002208b52c8e28e145dcba35274cff626dc5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002208b52c8e28e145dcba35274cff626dc5\u0022\u003ESCOTT SIMPSON (National\u2014Coromandel):\u003C/span\u003E It is a pleasure to rise in support of this very good bill in the name of my friend and colleague Dr Cam Calder, the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill. I have not participated in this debate previously, nor did I sit on the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee, but I have had an opportunity to hear some of the debate\u2014some of the very good debate\u2014that has occurred in the lead-up to this third reading. I have got to say that I am disappointed to hear from the members opposite who somehow want to discount the role and right of this member, Dr Cam Calder, to bring his bill to the House, to have it debated fully and properly and have it adequately considered by this House, because they think that their bill somehow has some kind of precedence, or some kind of greater moral importance or substance than Dr Calder\u2019s bill. That is an arrogance of enormous proportion, but it is an arrogance of proportion that we see so often, particularly from members of the Green Party and the Labour Party. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EIt is a very big day for Dr Calder. I have had the very great privilege of knowing Dr Calder for a good number of years. In fact, in a previous life I was chair of the northern region of the National Party, and I well remember a conversation had, maybe about 10 years ago, when Dr Calder asked to meet with me and he had an important matter to discuss. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002214e5f33a729b415b992043b45413abf6\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: In Auckland?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002266fc36de8c194ed6bdd824aba494c76b\u0022\u003ESCOTT SIMPSON\u003C/span\u003E: We were in Auckland at that stage. Dr Calder said that he had an important matter that he wanted to discuss me, and so I met with him over coffee, I think, and he revealed to me that he wanted to pursue a parliamentary career. He wanted to offer himself to the National Party as a candidate. He said that he wanted to take his voluntary role further, to the next step, to become a candidate and then ultimately a member of this Parliament, and he did that. He has worked hard and diligently all that period of time. He sought selection a couple of times, then ended up as a list MP, and has done six very good, solid years, not only on behalf of his party but on behalf of this Parliament and the people of New Zealand. I want to congratulate him and I want to share my words of support, along with other members who this evening have also wanted to express their support, and congratulations on his very fine valedictory speech delivered this afternoon. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EThis bill is one that is very important. I do not share the view of Opposition members that it is somehow of minor importance. This is a bill that is all about closing off an area of potential harm and risk to New Zealanders, particularly when they are travelling. I think that it is a very important matter. I like the way that the select committee has relabelled the bill, to indicate the better definitional approach to the naming. To call it the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill does, I think, more accurately reflect the type of laser it seeks to control. Those possessing these lasers will be treated in the same way as someone who maybe is carrying a knife in a public place without lawful cause or purpose, and I think this is very appropriate. As a previous speaker\u2014my colleague Mike Sabin from Northland\u2014said, there are some irresponsible ratbags who are part of our society. They are irresponsible. They are irresponsible in their actions and they are irresponsible in the way that they use these devices, with real harm and potential harm being done to people on public transport, particularly aircraft. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EThis is, I think, a very good bill. It is a bill that has been well considered both at the select committee and in this Chamber. Currently, there are no laws to govern the possession of hand-held lasers in a public place. One would think that even with modern technology moving quickly, it would be the responsibility of this House to keep up to date with these things. That sometimes is not the case, and so sometimes it is beholden upon members to use the member\u2019s bill process in this manner to achieve the result that Dr Calder has been able to do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EIt is very appropriate that tonight, on the same evening that Dr Calder has given his very fine valedictory after six very successful years of contribution to this House, to the National Party, and to the Parliament of New Zealand, we should be passing this bill in his name. It is my absolute pleasure and delight to stand here, as one of the final speakers in this debate, in support of his wonderful personal achievement. I congratulate him, and endorse this bill with enormous energy to the House for its finest commendation. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u0022ad0ef4256769475db144d20b72b5b592\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ad0ef4256769475db144d20b72b5b592\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Minister of Immigration):\u003C/span\u003E I want to thank my colleague and friend Scott Simpson for the opportunity to share this call and I also give acknowledgment and congratulations to Dr Cam Calder not only on getting this Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill through to the finish line but also on his contribution to the National Party caucus and also to the class of 2008, of which he is such a valued member who will be missed. One of the things we will miss, I think, is his erudite articulation, his ratiocination, and the extra-large words he is able to inject into his speeches. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EHe is a member of the parliamentary sports club, the Parliamentary Rugby Team. We will miss him rising like a salmon from the middle of the line-out, leaping for and catching those balls for the half back to spread wide and, as our colleague Chris Tremain said, for those twinkle-toed wingers to get all the glory. What we will not miss are those embarrassing things that poke out the bottom of his shorts and that he calls legs, which skinny sparrows would be embarrassed to call legs. Nevertheless, somehow they do eject him into the air, and he can catch the ball with such aplomb. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EAt the risk of injecting a little bit of negativity in here, I want to add my voice to the rejection of the criticisms that somehow in the Committee stage of this bill there was filibustering of the worst sort. I will say two things about that. Firstly, it is the chairman\u2019s prerogative to decide the length, quality, and quantity of the debate in the Committee stage, no one else\u2019s. Secondly, if there was a textbook written about filibustering, it was written by the Labour Party in 2011 at the end of the 49th Parliament in the Committee stage of the Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill. Those in that Parliament will remember the Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill. It was not filibustered for a day; it was not filibustered for a week. We spent about 9 months talking about a bill that did not matter so that that party could avoid a member\u2019s bill in the name of Heather Roy being passed in that Parliament. It was unsuccessful\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022000f6d04bfc8492f94c0bdd6387abeca\u0022\u003ESue Moroney\u003C/span\u003E: It wasn\u2019t against families.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207da9816a22949d98c0baf999910dbad\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE\u003C/span\u003E: Oh! See, there is the moral high ground. It was not as noble as Sue Moroney\u2019s bill. There we go. It is the arrogance of the noblesse, and I do not accept it. I do not expect we would agree with that at all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EI want to just touch on Darien Fenton\u2019s comments, because she spoke with a note of sadness, I think, of the fact that she had had four bills drawn out of the members\u2019 ballot but was not able to get one passed. I just want to remind her that she will go down in the history of the 49th Parliament as the first member for 88 years in this Parliament to have a member\u2019s bill defeated at the Committee stage. She was the unfortunate victim, I suppose, of the fact that the Government had changed between the second reading and the Committee stage of the bill she had. But she will be noted for that. I certainly acknowledge her for her efforts, and we will hear her valedictory tomorrow, I think. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EIt is time, as we come to the end of the 50th Parliament, to acknowledge the contributions of all members. I particularly want to talk about Dr Calder\u2019s commitment to Manurewa because I know as much as anybody how hard it is to be a list MP in a red seat and to act in all respects like a constituency MP. It is a thankless task. \u201CList MP\u201D is a pejorative term amongst some. But I have seen his effort, his energy, and the commitment he has made to the people of Manurewa and the people of New Zealand. I think he can hold his head high and describe himself as one of this Parliament\u2019s best list MPs in serving the community that this party, this caucus, asked him to serve. I think that of all the things he will be remembered for, it will be this bill, it will be his collegial support of this great Government, and it will also be his commitment to the people of Manurewa. For that, Dr Calder, you can hold your head high. I commend you and I commend the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002231c17a1fe9d54a208bf8bbb25672c9ca\u0022\u003EParental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months\u2019 Paid Leave) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c562b6bdb0bd42c68f0c714dd07b1208\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000607\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 25 June.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002268265bd4f3fe48ccbea5f4686db04f4e\u0022\u003EClause 2  Commencement (continued)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u0022da2d5242c3604d3ca7b88137077bd545\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022da2d5242c3604d3ca7b88137077bd545\u0022\u003EALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Kia orana, Mr Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e1e225e25484a75b1213220bbae1764\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Meitaki.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022526ced487906451eb481a12b12827b1a\u0022\u003EALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: Meitaki maata, Mr Chair. I rise to take a call on this Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months\u2019 Paid Leave) Amendment Bill. I want to begin by saying that we know that families are important, and children are important to us. I know that in the last Committee debate on this bill there were a number of accusations coming from across the Chamber. I wanted to stand to speak because one of the accusations was that we as politicians on this side of the Chamber, in this Government, do not care for families and do not care for children, and that is absolutely not true at all. I also want to make the point that the comments that seemed to keep coming from the other side were that because we oppose this bill, we do not care for children, we do not care for families, and that is not true at all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIt is not true at all, because when we look at the record of this Government, and at the things that are absolutely important to this Government\u2014at a time when we had the global financial crisis and at a time when things were difficult\u2014it has been said time and time again that this Government actually stood firm and stood strong on the things that were absolutely important, and that is our children and our families and the things that matter most to most Kiwis. So I just want to put on record that we absolutely do not agree with the comments that have been made from the Opposition at all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo how do we show that? This Government has actually said quite clearly in regard to paid parental leave that it was not against the aspect of the time period. In fact, it has shown in Budget 2014 that it has been extended by another 4 weeks. Why? Because the fact is that, as in all Governments and in governance, you have to balance your responsibilities along with the rights that are actually important, and that is what this Government has absolutely done. These are the things that actually show. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EFor those who are New Zealanders out there, those who are Kiwis out there, those who are mums and dads and families out there, who want to know what this Government has done and is doing in that regard, Budget 2014 was really clear. We wanted to continue that role of working for families in New Zealand. So what is important is around health\u2014free general practitioner visits and free prescriptions for children under the age of 13. We have increased that ability so that the mums and dads who are out there know that when their child is sick, they can take their child to the doctor and can get a prescription. In fact, it was Mr Faafoi who was talking about being down in Porirua where he saw prescriptions sitting on a chemist\u2019s shelf, waiting for parents to pick them up. Mr Faafoi actually talked about that. He talked about prescriptions in Porirua\u2014you will remember that in his speech\u2014and about how parents were waiting to pick them up, but they could not afford them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIt is quite clear that the extension by this Government to have not only free general practitioner visits but also the ability to pick up those prescriptions, Mr Faafoi, is important. We do care to ensure that families do get the medication they need, as well. He is getting ready now. I can see a speech coming from him, but there is more to come. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe other thing that is important is that 4 weeks\u2019 extra paid parental leave has been extended to a number of caregivers who were not traditionally eligible, and that becomes important. We have increased the parental tax credit by $70 a week to $220 a week and extended it by 2 weeks to 10 weeks. That, we know, is truly making a difference to those families out there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EWhat is also important out there is the issue around education. We know that ensuring our children can get into early childhood education makes a difference to their ability to go from the non-compulsory sector into the compulsory sector. We think that is important. In order to be able to do that, again the party of actions has ensured, Mrs Martin\u2014the fact is that we have increased early childhood education services, to get more kids participating and to keep fees down, so that parents can access those services, like Nukutukulea, for instance, in M\u0101ngere, where we took the Prime Minister, and where he met with that Niuean preschool and where they celebrated and enjoyed the fact that we have extended those hours as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002293e842da-b06b-4f08-88ce-cb568739e1b1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022455579f2a93e4428b2b598c2291589fe\u0022\u003ELe\u0027aufa\u0027amulia Asenati Lole-Taylor\u003C/span\u003E: Same name, last one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c60a527ad4da4d239166c5598f019963\u0022\u003EALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: That is right, Mrs Asenati Lole- Taylor. They made sure that they enjoyed the opportunity to extend their care. This is what they actually said. They said: \u201CThank you, Prime Minister, because under your Government we have thrived as well.\u201D So we know that participation in early childhood education has grown as well under this Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe other thing that is important is to say that we care for our children. I have been involved in a sector where we know that our children are vulnerable. The issues of abuse and neglect have been of great concern to this Government as well, so we have extended support for vulnerable children. It includes eight new children\u2019s teams to work with at-risk children and families, and to support children in care as well. That becomes absolutely important as well. With extended and expanded paid parental leave, and increasing the parental tax credit, this will give parents more choices about what is best for them at an important time for their families as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe other thing we have done as well that is important is around, again, extending the ability for health, early childhood education, and secondary education, and I know that becomes important. I know that Ms Martin is talking about the fact of charter schools and so forth, and we know that that becomes a point of difference, because it gives communities\u2014[Interruption] Here we go again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI challenge Ms Martin to go to those communities, look them in the eye, and say to them that their vision for their children, young and old, and parents who are looking after their children\u2014I challenge that member to go to them and say to them that, actually, their vision of a better tomorrow and a better outcome for their children is not valid. I challenge her to do that. She will not do that. Instead, she will sit here, with parliamentary privilege, and begin to quote all the things that she thinks go wrong, but she will not enter those communities. Why? Because they are the very communities that have actually asked for it, they need it, and they want it, as well. That becomes absolutely important to what we are doing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI just want to begin to slowly sort of sum up what I want to say on this, because I think it is absolutely important. It is making a difference. I do want to say that those schools\u2014and I want to acknowledge the Rise UP school as well\u2014are really important. They have said there in M\u0101ngere that these are the things that they need for their children, whether young or old, children who have got parents, and parents with their children whom they are bringing along. They are saying that that is absolutely important to them as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EWe know that the fact is that as a Government we are doing all the things that are necessary and that are needed to care for children, from health to education. At the same time too, we want to say that caring for children is not just about extending parental leave. It is about a whole range of things that make a difference to our families in our communities as well. I stand on behalf of the Government to say that we oppose this bill, but what we do support is children. We do support parents in their role to care for their children as well, hence the stance that we are taking at the moment. I stand here as a father of four children and a grandfather of two, knowing the fact is that the things we are doing do make a difference. I am confident in knowing that fact. What I do support is the fact that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022 data-id=\u00223b9bb959078c4d8db8f7b87a5dc9b710\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223b9bb959078c4d8db8f7b87a5dc9b710\u0022\u003EJACINDA ARDERN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022 data-id=\u0022b7dbcfdce8dc442ba109ced98400bb63\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b7dbcfdce8dc442ba109ced98400bb63\u0022\u003EKANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National):\u003C/span\u003E Sat sri akaal, Mr Chair. Thank you for your consideration of my call. It is my pleasure to discuss clause 2 of this bill, the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months\u2019 Paid Leave) Amendment Bill. National is very concerned about the future of this country. That is why we have been working on very well-managed spending, where we can afford what we have achieved in these 6 years. What we can afford in the Budget is because of that well-balanced spending. However, at the same time I would like to say that children and families are at the forefront of every Budget. At the same time we want to ensure that as a country we attain a balance between the bringing up of our children and the financial implications for the nation due to the increase in the amount of paid parental leave. Also, we have to consider the intergenerational effects on the debt that this bill seeks to create for our children, whose well-being we are all seeking. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003ETo share with you some facts, all of us know that the recent Budget announcement by our finance Minister invests almost $500 million in developing our children. Further, the investment made by the National-led Government in various sectors of the economy will no doubt result in more jobs and higher wages. The flow-on effect of this is that it will result in better lifestyles for our families. There is further facility for the Government\u2019s participation in health and well-being of our children. The Government announced free GP visits and free prescriptions for children under the age of 13 years. We extended paid parental leave by 4 weeks, which we consider is affordable at this stage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003EWe do not think that this country can afford the reckless spending that this bill proposes. There is an increase in the parental tax credit by $70 to $220 a week, and leave is extended by 2 weeks to 10 weeks. These are some of the measures that we have taken now. New Zealanders understand that all this comes at a cost and that the Government is doing everything practically possible to look after each of our citizens, young or old. We debated all these issues in the Government Administration Committee and also considered them in the submissions. However, we were unable to reach an agreement. During the select committee there was huge discussion about these issues and whether the Government can afford these measures or not. Increasing paid parental leave to 26 weeks is unaffordable right now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003EFamilies will benefit from the growing economy and from jobs with higher wages. It will also be appropriate that they are among the first to benefit from the Government\u2019s spending as the economy picks up. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e4e0f58fd234eeb88745229d1283ec5\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Narrow it a little.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1f943cd20e04be182669c4ff5aa8019\u0022\u003EKANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI\u003C/span\u003E: Changes to paid parental leave and the parental tax credit, alongside other measures in Budget 2014, will provide increased, targeted support within the current economic conditions for working parents and newborn babies. In the first year of the child\u2019s life, particularly in the first 6 months, it is important for the newborn baby\u2019s development to get full-time personal care. It is also important for the parents and the caregivers to get support to manage budgetary and other measures. Encouraging the attachment of mothers and caregivers to the labour market has broad economic and social benefits and can support a stable family environment for their children to grow up in. I think this is appropriate for the Government, which has already made some real progress on this area, and I think we will continue as time proceeds. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022 data-id=\u0022b75fc49f3b5f4a6282cdc57bb051fd1d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b75fc49f3b5f4a6282cdc57bb051fd1d\u0022\u003EJACINDA ARDERN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question that the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022 data-id=\u002297067607fc84446bb94c565af9992e45\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002297067607fc84446bb94c565af9992e45\u0022\u003ETIM MACINDOE (Junior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. The member Jacinda Ardern has twice now taken a closure motion, once when it was rejected by you. It is my understanding that under the Standing Orders it is not possible to do that more than once for any particular clause, and I am wondering why you accepted the closure motion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u00220bb94db5deb14ca4a78d720b58a0e4c8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220bb94db5deb14ca4a78d720b58a0e4c8\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: It is my understanding that a member can take more than one closure motion. It was a change by the Standing Orders Committee. I could be wrong, and I am happy to seek advice on it, but it is my understanding that the member can do more than one closure motion. I can check it for the member. I have been advised that I have already taken the question, so I need to proceed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022de7efb6a7996405397c333d6e48880ef\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 56\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 63\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; M\u0101ori Party 3; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022 data-id=\u00227bd12bbef2ff4b0198ed7327b9e7f504\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227bd12bbef2ff4b0198ed7327b9e7f504\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN (National\u2014Northland):\u003C/span\u003E I leapt lightning-like to my feet there, Mr Chairperson. I want, firstly, to take a minute to acknowledge the member Sue Moroney, like I did with Dr Cam Calder. Yes, getting a member\u2019s bill drawn is luck, but actually bringing it to the House is challenging; I absolutely can see that. Although, obviously, National has a policy difference, I just want to acknowledge the member for the fact that she is very passionate about the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months\u2019 Paid Leave) Amendment Bill. She has lobbied strongly on it, and I acknowledge the efforts that have gone in there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EFrom the perspective of National, clearly we depart in policy on a couple of levels. I would have to say that on a personal level I also believe that paid parental leave is not actually the answer to vulnerable children, and it is not actually the answer for communities in the sense that the most important role that a parent will have is to support, to love, to nurture, and to bring up their child, and that is not necessarily something that is about the Government. In fact, if one asks me, I actually think that the less involvement the Government can have in the bringing up of a child the better.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fd8431cb12504da0be0ad0bbedd4ba29\u0022\u003EDenis O\u0027Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: Disgraceful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5a9a0f700f6421a9134c842a02aef08\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it is not disgraceful. Why does the member think it is disgraceful? Why does the member think it is disgraceful?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022389999f0d6b946389a6ff43eb7abdc4b\u0022\u003EDenis O\u0027Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: The Government should be interested in children. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002233c1d38f974143388ced1b0b4af40e4a\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN\u003C/span\u003E: No, no; I did not say that the Government should not be interested in children, but the primary\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d46b65bc4194444b76b8e62609d1641\u0022\u003EDenis O\u0027Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s a contradiction of what the previous speaker said.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f45d67870de4f698cde5c2a84cfb80a\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the member is right off track. The member is right off track because the Government is far less important in a child\u2019s life than the parents. The parents\u2019 responsibility is one that will always be primary and will always usurp the responsibility of anyone or anything else. I believe that very firmly. So although I do see a place for paid parental leave\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f7771ad82ec54c1281e22f44ad87a302\u0022\u003EDenis O\u0027Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s nonsense.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f24fa7241a4949b59650d48260eb41df\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN\u003C/span\u003E: It is not nonsense. It is not nonsense at all, Denis O\u2019Rourke\u2014it is not nonsense at all, Denis O\u2019Rourke. It is about ensuring, certainly from this party\u2019s perspective, that the primary responsibility of parenting is the responsibility of the parent. Responsibility is about sacrifice. There are plenty of times in a parent\u2019s life when they will have to put themselves second and the needs of their child well ahead of them. The sad reality is that in this country\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b24c7ebff5fc423eac222aa235a2eb56\u0022\u003ETracey Martin\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s what you\u2019re saying, isn\u2019t it, Mr Sabin\u2014only people with money can have children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002290e4d3d697f746bba8591d8b04d32b20\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN\u003C/span\u003E: That squawking does get to me. The sad reality is that in this country the default position of far too many parents is that the Government should take the primary responsibility role\u2014it is the Government that should take that primary responsibility role. That, in my world, is wrong. If you ask me why so many families are falling apart, it is because they have forgotten what it is to be a responsible parent. It is not the role of the Government to take over the responsibility of parenting. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EWhen it comes to paid parental leave, most will actually put their child first and they will make the sacrifices not for 14 weeks, not for 16 weeks, not for 26 weeks, but for 5 years or beyond. There is no magic figure that is the amount of time people should spend with their children. The reality is that if a parent can spend the first 5 years, the formative years, of a child\u2019s life with them full time, that will be the best for that child. It is not about 26 weeks. It is not about 18 or 16 weeks. Sure, there will be some\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac229ffd5c3d453cabae66454bc72ab5\u0022\u003EDenis O\u0027Rourke\u003C/span\u003E: An anti-parent speech.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f422d777f654d7ca88207273f144045\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN\u003C/span\u003E: Well, that is absolute rubbish, Denis O\u2019Rourke. That is absolute rubbish. It is the parent\u2019s responsibility to be a parent first and foremost, and that is not about the Government stepping in and usurping that role. Regardless of what support exists out there, the primary responsibility should always be, and will always rest, with the parent. Although I acknowledge that the member cares passionately about this particular bill, the Government opposes it because we believe we have got the balance right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022 data-id=\u0022ea983e4c1ea5471faf924aa17f672657\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ea983e4c1ea5471faf924aa17f672657\u0022\u003ESUE MORONEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Look, it has become obvious already that the National Party members are going to continue to play their political games with the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months\u2019 Paid Leave) Amendment Bill. This is the last members\u2019 day of the parliamentary session, of this term of Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c6e4a7f23d14521a4be49b6690465ff\u0022\u003EHon Christopher Finlayson\u003C/span\u003E: What a deadbeat. What a mediocrity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a6ce0223225497883b4a80e0ced4888\u0022\u003ESUE MORONEY\u003C/span\u003E: And, yes, Christopher Finlayson, the National Party members are at it again, playing political games in order to get in the way of families having the support of 26 weeks\u2019 paid parental leave. Well, it is a disgrace. It is a disgrace, and it is on display for the nation to see, so feel proud of yourselves, National Party members. I do not think that the rest of the nation enjoys this at all. I do not think they are enjoying seeing you actually be disrespectful to families in this way. I think it is a great shame. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EHere we are, debating clause 2 of the bill, and we are supposed to be talking about the commencement date. Just in case any of the members are interested\u2014because they have not spoken once about the commencement date yet\u2014this bill brings 22 weeks\u2019 paid parental leave in on 1 July. It brings that in on 1 July next year, compared with that Government\u2019s offering of just 16 weeks. This bill would bring it in at 22 weeks and then, finally, 26 weeks on 1 July 2017. Those are the commencement dates. That is what we ought to be talking about. But I just say to all of those parties in here that actually do respect families, that do really want to support families in this way, let us just get on, do the voting, and do the right thing by families and by children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u002278caf1a139ac4e5d84dfd59f630e786e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002278caf1a139ac4e5d84dfd59f630e786e\u0022\u003EKRIS FAAFOI (Labour\u2014Mana):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00229f99c7a86192499ca4396da3d556fb8d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 56\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 63\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; M\u0101ori Party 3; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022 data-id=\u002219300414d0154648a623926603ed80ee\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002219300414d0154648a623926603ed80ee\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG (National\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E I am pleased to stand and speak on the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months\u2019 Paid Leave) Amendment Bill. I want to just say that I endorse Mike Sabin\u2019s comments\u2014and I am sure many members of this Committee also endorse them\u2014regarding the responsibility of parenthood. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EAlthough one member across the other side talked about the responsibility of the Government, the Government cannot be the parent of every child. Every child comes on to this earth because of two parents. What we need to do is continue to encourage adults and teenagers in this country who end up being parents to take on the responsibility of that parenthood with great seriousness. Although the Government might be there to assist and prop up, sometimes we go too far. When we go too far, we dilute the responsibility that people need to take for their individual lives and for their children. It does not mean that this Government does not care. It does not mean\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c361451d60364dcbafcf5ec10a042056\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! Just two things. First of all, I would like to advise members that barracking is not acceptable in the people\u2019s House. This is a place for debate. Members will conduct themselves with the respect for the traditions of the House as enshrined in the Standing Orders. That is the first thing I want to say. The second thing I want to say is that this is a debate on clause 2; we are not on clause 3.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d909fb535264aca81f6fe38e78e193d\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG\u003C/span\u003E: The commencement clause\u2014well, I believe that this bill should not commence, because it goes too far. We believe that there needs to be some support for parents. We do believe that, but we need to have support for parents that goes far enough, but not too far, and that does not dilute the responsibility that parents have. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd74e4529a754971a5293b9dc2cb1585\u0022\u003ETracey Martin\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, no\u2014not too far!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022570ca039ddbd42bda4f59ac92056c8e8\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG\u003C/span\u003E: I do not know about you, but I was raised\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022533ea5cbed8141448c6716c4230d1d7d\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fdd54742f1ef45d2929929762918f6f2\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG\u003C/span\u003E: I do not know about that member across there, but I was raised in South Taranaki, one child out of seven, by farming parents who worked incredibly hard and who managed. And I believe that when people are faced with those challenges of how to manage\u2014yes, with the appropriate support but not so much support that they abdicate their responsibility\u2014then they develop resources, they develop strength of character, and they develop ways in which they can care, not just for their own family but for their community as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003ESo many of the families in our community, when I was a young boy, helped each other, and I think it is a sad day when that stops and all the help comes from the Government\u2014that faceless group of people in Wellington who have this incredible sense of obligation placed upon them by people who think that they do not have the resources. I think it is important to find those resources amongst families, extended family, amongst community, and amongst grandparents. I mean, how many grandparents actually fulfil a great role of assisting their families and their grandchildren? Many, many, many do, and I think that that is a great thing. It brings the great sense of connection and purpose and fulfilment that they all have. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EWe believe that supporting parents is a very important thing. Supporting children is a very important thing. The Vulnerable Children Act is one of the most significant pieces of legislation to go through this Parliament, and that is all about supporting children. The Government Administration Committee that reported on Sue Moroney\u2019s Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months\u2019 Paid Leave) Amendment Bill could not come to agreement. That is because there are differences of opinion. This is what\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223eb77eb69ff74217abd4c66e3ad6ac0c\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: No, it\u2019s because we didn\u2019t have the numbers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022855dae55a9b04abab1755bc7983f5abe\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG\u003C/span\u003E: No, there are differences of opinion, Ms Ardern. There are differences of opinion, and that is what this place is all about. It is about differences of opinion. We can come into this debating chamber and we can debate our viewpoints, and I think that is what New Zealand likes to see. There will be myriads of people out there who will support Sue Moroney and myriads who will not. We are the representatives of viewpoints, not only our own but the viewpoints of others in our communities. I know that, yes, there are people who are very concerned when they see deprivation and when they see hardship, but the solutions to that are not always the same. So that is why sometimes we come to this place and we find that there are differences of opinion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u0022773a9100f7f442f38b1d6d506bf0f71b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022773a9100f7f442f38b1d6d506bf0f71b\u0022\u003ETRACEY MARTIN (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Chairperson. I would like to speak about the commencement date, which is in clause 2. I believe that the commencement date is appropriate\u2014totally appropriate\u2014for this sort of a bill, and actually should probably be brought forward. But just while I talk about that, on the comments of the previous speaker, Jonathan Young, I just want to remark on his hard-working parents in the Taranaki, I believe it was. I agree with the honourable member Mr Young that his parents were probably an exceptionally hard-working farming family, who were supported by their Government with family support for the first 15 years of his life. They could capitalise on it for their first family home, and that got them ahead. If this bill commenced on the commencement date in clause 2, it would merely be a step towards restoring the support that families used to get before the neo-liberal movement of the National Party. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022 data-id=\u00228d4b57e8628641f1929de5b76d51f9b3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228d4b57e8628641f1929de5b76d51f9b3\u0022\u003EDARIEN FENTON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 472 in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 2 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00223a8646ea7ddb44e4a0cbe94a12af5902\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 60\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; M\u0101ori Party 3; Mana 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 59\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002268c3e86925c84d9a9aa3f6540abef8ca\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That clause 2 as amended be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 60\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; M\u0101ori Party 3; Mana 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 59\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause 2 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022676368e00edd4415ae34e6334ca3e550\u0022\u003EClause 3  Principal Act\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022 data-id=\u00224921842cb48942c6b329493efa08f0af\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000673\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224921842cb48942c6b329493efa08f0af\u0022\u003EJACINDA ARDERN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I am going to do a very novel act in this Committee tonight and speak to the clause, as I implore my colleagues across the other side of the Chamber to give that a go. Clause 3 is the amendment to the principal Act of the Parental Leave and Employment Protection Act 1987. I think it is a good opportunity for us to reflect on the fact that multiple amendments have been made to the principal legislation that set out originally paid parental leave. We often learn a lot from history. We learn sometimes that positions change. That is particularly the case for National. I applaud the fact that it has moved away from its ideological problem with paid parental leave, because it did have that problem in the first instance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000674\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003ELabour introduced this scheme in 2002, when there was obviously a surplus at that time because we ran nine Budget surpluses, FYI. At that time, Anne Tolley in 2002 stated the following: \u201CThis legislation \u2026 shows how the Labour-Alliance Government is stuck in the radical feminist era of the 1960s and 1970s \u2026 and is completely out of touch with women of the 21st century and their diverse involvement in today\u2019s labour force. \u2026 This is bad legislation. It is a travesty.\u201D Anne Tolley, a Minister of this Government, called paid parental leave a travesty. And now members on that side of the Chamber try to implore, hand on heart, that, yes, they believe in it but just a little bit. So enough that we can have it to just where they are comfortable with it, but anything that we suggest is a travesty. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000675\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EWell, let me put on record tonight for those members of the Committee: one day you will reflect on your position here and now, and you will be as ashamed as you are now of Anne Tolley\u2019s comments in 2002. It took only a little bit over a decade for a little bit of reflection and to look back and say \u201CWell, we were wrong.\u201D, and surely you admit that was wrong, because you have even taken a position that has gone further than what was introduced in 2002. So it would be bizarre if you continued to agree with Anne Tolley\u2019s position. Just to be fair though, she was not the only one. Nick Smith in 2002 said: \u201CI say that if a member went out of their way to draft a dumb bill, this would have to be it.\u201D He said that he had looked around the world at various paid parental leave models and this one was as bad as they get. Apparently Nick Smith has now moved to it being so bad that National is going to keep it and extend it just a little bit, until it is comfortable with it. Obviously he has supported the changes that the Government made in the Budget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EAnd it continued. It was not just 2002 because, of course, we extended paid parental leave in 2004, because that is what Labour does. When we are able, we extend a scheme that we fundamentally believe in. So what was said in 2004? We had Paul Hutchison saying that Labour was \u201Ccementing in that State dependency rather than incentivising individual responsibility.\u201D For babies? Is that what he was implying? Judith Collins in 2004: \u201CIt is another example of this Government using taxpayers\u2019 money to try to win some votes.\u201D Again, from babies? I am not entirely sure what she was trying to say.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EI think the point that I am trying to make is that it is very easy to look back in hindsight, but we are providing you the benefit of hindsight tonight. I say to members on that side of the Chamber that you have already acknowledged you were wrong 10 years ago. We are providing you with the benefit of the doubt to not make that mistake again. You will one day reflect. We will read out again your quotes from tonight and you will hang your heads when you realise how wrong you were. I urge this House to pass the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months\u2019 Paid Leave) Amendment Bill tonight, to no longer let it sit on the Order Paper, and to do the right thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022 data-id=\u0022cfaec3675a3e4af8accc277210bbc2cf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cfaec3675a3e4af8accc277210bbc2cf\u0022\u003EMIKE SABIN (National\u2014Northland):\u003C/span\u003E I think the member Jacinda Ardern is quite correct\u2014things do change, absolutely. That is the nature of the beast. Positions certainly do change. Polls change, leaders of political parties change, the global financial conditions change, and the landscape in Canterbury changes, and that is pretty much how it goes. Things do change, positions do change, and that is exactly the position that New Zealand has found itself in in recent years. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000679\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EWhat this Government has done, much to the criticism of people like Jacinda Ardern and the Labour Party, and their friends over there, the Greens and New Zealand First, is support those who are most vulnerable\u2014support those who need it. On the one hand those members have continued to vote against everything this Government has done to grow the economy, while on the other hand they have criticised us for letting people, in their view, fall through the cracks. I say that members cannot have it both ways. So the member Jacinda Ardern is quite correct. Things do change.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000680\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EFor what it is worth, putting a figure of a matter of weeks\u2014the difference between National\u2019s position of extending moderately paid parental leave and Labour\u2019s position in this bill, or the difference between having 14 weeks, 16 weeks, and 18 weeks and having 26 weeks\u2014is not what we should be talking about, because the reality is that children need their parents in their formative years. That is the case, regardless of how many weeks of paid parental leave exist. Sometimes that means that parents must be prepared to make a sacrifice. The member Sue Moroney as a parent has, I am sure, done that. Every parent in this Chamber knows that sometimes sacrifices must be made. Sometimes that means surviving on one income, not for 16 weeks, 18 weeks, or 26 weeks, but often for 5 years or for longer, because that is what children demand of good parents. That is what good parenting is about. It is ensuring that those formative years are spent with the child. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003ESo we can debate whether 16 weeks is where it should be or whether 26 weeks is where it should be. I think there is actually a bigger debate to be had here about the fact that New Zealand parents cannot expect that they can just go about their professional working lives and not invest their time in their children, and then expect that they will get the same results than if they had been willing to make the sacrifice and spend that time at home with their children. Ultimately, that is an important time for development in a child\u2019s life, and, yes, it is true that in spending that time with the children, many parents will do it hard for a while. But in this modern era, when we look at, say, this Government\u2019s approach to supporting families, even a $500 million package is substantial. When we look at what we would consider to be the more financially challenged or vulnerable families, for a family with two children that is earning somewhere in the order of $50,000, it is essentially tax-neutral. It will receive from the Government as much support as it will pay in tax. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EIn fact, actually, what the member Jonathan Young has said is quite right\u2014actually, more so. That seems to me to be quite unprecedented. Certainly when I was bringing up young children, I do not remember that to be the case. It is certainly the case that MMP creates an environment where we see Labour Governments come up with lolly-scramble ideas, and once families become reliant or dependent on a degree of support, it is very hard to actually withdraw that support. That is not to say that to some extent there was not some support needed in the first place, but what it is fair to say is that once people are given an opportunity to have something that they do not necessarily need, they will certainly want to hang on to that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003EI am not so sure that MMP has been a particularly good electoral system for our families, because in many ways what it has done is create a default position of: \u201CWhat is in it for me? What will the Government give me so that I can be a better parent?\u201D. Well, nothing. The Government cannot give anything to someone to be a better parent, because being a better parent is not about defaulting to the Government. Being a better parent is about making decisions that are in the best interests of that child.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022 data-id=\u0022e1499b7923d0400eaf8dcdde8d93976e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e1499b7923d0400eaf8dcdde8d93976e\u0022\u003EKANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National):\u003C/span\u003E Sat sri akaal, Mr Chair. Thank you very much for the opportunity. We are debating clause 3 of the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months\u2019 Paid Leave) Amendment Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003EI would like to start with the member opposite, Jacinda Ardern, who said that paid parental leave was increased from time to time. I would like to remind her that in 2007 the Families Commission gave a report to the Hon Ruth Dyson, then Minister of Labour, in which it recommended that the paid parental leave provision be increased to 13 months by 2015, including a month for fathers. Labour chose to do nothing at that time, and the recommendations were just kept aside. The Government at that time was running in surplus, which is a very important point that the Opposition keeps reminding us about\u2014that it delivered nine Budgets in surplus. But did it consider these recommendations? No, because Opposition members were not serious about them. They want to take all the credit for what they have done, but what they have not done is think about the recommendations that were given by the Families Commission. They never thought about those. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003EIt is very important. We need to be responsible for our kids. I come from a culture where we are totally responsible for our children. For example, I would like to share with this Committee that I have got two sons, who are at the ages of 21 and 23\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002229932ed69e094325a96f61e6d2a1dd82\u0022\u003EHon Christopher Finlayson\u003C/span\u003E: Far too young to have children that old.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d670339502a49dd9ad56be234a1780b\u0022\u003EKANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, they should not. They should wait for some time. They are still living with me, and I am looking after them. It is not only me; it is me and my wife. Both of us\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002269e49ff2892543ba806de927f2bb6c80\u0022\u003EHon Christopher Finlayson\u003C/span\u003E: Tell them to grow up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a580d18fe7c4168a4fc78537f4f753a\u0022\u003EKANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI\u003C/span\u003E: I will talk to you about that later on. It is very important that parents be responsible for their children. I am not saying that the Government should not look after kids. Vulnerable kids should be taken care of by the Government, but the bulk of the responsibility should be on the parents. Parents have to take that responsibility. They have to grow up and make sure they provide the best facilities for their kids. There are cases where families are vulnerable and the kids are vulnerable. The Government should come and pitch in with whatever they want to do. It should help the families that cannot afford that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003EIt is a bit rich for Labour to take a stand on this now that it is in Opposition when it had 9 years in Government to implement changes before the global economic crisis hit the world. This Government has gone through tremendous financial constraints, and I think that the leadership of the National Government has done very well. Now that it will be affordable, the finance Minister is giving a 2-week increase in paid parental leave in the coming year, and a 2-week increase later on. As the financial situation improves for this economy, I think you will see further increases in these paid parental leave subsidies to families. With these words I conclude my contribution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u00228eae1c0315294da99b21184e82150065\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228eae1c0315294da99b21184e82150065\u0022\u003EKRIS FAAFOI (Labour\u2014Mana):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022 data-id=\u0022aea6913772514b09ab92c066fb9c77e6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000693\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022aea6913772514b09ab92c066fb9c77e6\u0022\u003EMAGGIE BARRY (National\u2014North Shore):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to speak on the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months\u2019 Paid Leave) Amendment Bill in the name of Sue Moroney. As we look at the principal Act, which is the purpose, of course, of clause 3, we wonder really why we are here debating this one. The Budget that we handed down in May has already dealt with all of this, so you are wasting the time of the House. We have already moved into this space and taken ownership of it. Really what we are looking at is the unaffordability of what has been proposed by the member who is sponsoring this bill. In the very first reading\u2014I remember it well\u2014Ms Moroney did indicate that she would like it expanded out from 26 weeks to over a year. You will not stop at 26 weeks, and we cannot afford that as a country at this time. It is not possible. She is nodding and smiling. So it goes on. We go into a dark hole of indebtedness over a very expensive, vote-buying element that you are trying to indulge in. That is not in the best interests of the economy and of this nation. We have already covered it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EI think there has been some kind of research through the archives and looking back in Hansard on what other people have said and how, apparently, they have changed their minds. The time is now better economically for us to be able to afford what we proposed. The legislation that has been changed in the Budget does allow for paid parental leave. We have extended it out in a prudent and moderate fashion, which is all we can afford at this stage. We cannot continue to borrow large sums of money to fund unaffordable, election-grabbing things such as what this piece of legislation represents. It really is not on. It has already been defeated. The Government Administration Committee could not agree on it. There has been a lot of to-ing and fro-ing around things that might or might not be included in this bill. But really one wonders why it is still before the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EWhen we look at the principal Act of something like this bill, it is supposed to amend the Parental Leave and Employment Protection Act 1987, but that has already been done. We have already covered that off. Really, you need to move on. This may be the last members\u2019 day of the 50th Parliament. There will be a lot that I can speak about when we come to the fourth part of this. When we look at what this Government has provided by extending the current 14 weeks out to 16 weeks\u2014and that will be as of 1 April 2015\u2014and then to 18 weeks as of 1 April 2016, then we are getting into territory that is affordable, it is gradual, it is helping parents, it is helping children, and it is helping families, which is what this John Key, National-led Government is all about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EWe put families at the centre of our policies, which is why we spent $10.5 billion on health. It is why we continue to invest in education and reach targets for early childhood education. We are moving successfully to a stage where the economy can provide families with the ability to get off the benefit. Something like 1,000 New Zealanders a week are going off the benefit. They will be able to put their families, their children, their households into a better state, into a better place, and remove them from poverty.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228891052318374fe2af14df15545c4112\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: More jobs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a04a3d79a0e439cbb6a56e13bb92d89\u0022\u003EMAGGIE BARRY\u003C/span\u003E: More jobs, of course, as my colleague has pointed out. That is also what we are providing with the economy. It is incredibly important that we stay on track. Bill English is a classic Minister of Finance with short arms and long pockets. He has delivered two Budgets that have not thrown money wildly around. We are not about that. This is not what this Government does. But what we do is we target the money that is needed to the people that require it. The under-6s\u2019 free general practitioner visits was an important development. It worked so well that we have spent a further $90 million and covered it off\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb86f591244b44a3ad8a1250544ee335\u0022\u003ETracey Martin\u003C/span\u003E: New Zealand First policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222374e7a50da147d9a9f6860de3ef215b\u0022\u003EMAGGIE BARRY\u003C/span\u003E: Is there something wrong with the plumbing in the House? There seems to be an inordinate squeaking noise. Perhaps there are chihuahuas loose in the Chamber? It certainly sounds a bit like it. There is a funny squeaking noise, which, of course, is unintelligible. Even if we could hear it, it would not make any sense. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000701\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EAs far as we are concerned when we look at the Budget and the changes that we have made, we are providing funding to enable more pre-schoolers to attend quality early childhood education. That is giving the best possible start in life. It is something that is helping New Zealand\u2019s most vulnerable. It is helping New Zealand children across the board, and helping New Zealand families. We are rolling out eight more Children\u2019s Teams around the country to help protect our most vulnerable children from abuse. The money that has been allocated in the Budget to sort out these historical sexual abuse claims\u2014those sorts of things\u2014is really going to make a difference and send a clear message to people who continue to perpetrate violence against women and children and families. We are not about to let that happen. Judith Collins has done very good work in this area. All of the entities, the ministries of Government, are working closely together. That is another characteristic of this Government. We are able to work together with the departments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022 data-id=\u0022593d513775ee4b8da5bb079c612e4862\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022593d513775ee4b8da5bb079c612e4862\u0022\u003ESUE MORONEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E The member who has just resumed her seat, Maggie Barry, asked a few questions, so I thought I would answer them. She asked the question: \u201CWhy are we debating this?\u201D. Well, it is for two reasons. I know they are not reasons that she likes, but one is that this bill, the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months\u0027 Paid Leave) Amendment Bill, has a parliamentary majority. This bill defeats the Government. That is why we are here debating it. The majority of parliamentarians in this precinct believe and know this is the right thing to do. They know that it is, indeed, affordable. It is affordable, because this is an investment in our children. There is no better investment that any Government can make than investing in our children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220cf7c2287e5144dba66fb0110d02d092\u0022\u003EMaggie Barry\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019re already doing it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224767069f5a004fd397402c76ff18e450\u0022\u003ESUE MORONEY\u003C/span\u003E: That is reason one, Ms Barry, that we are here debating this. Reason No. 2 is the National Government, for about a year now, has been trying to stop the passage of the bill. It has been trying to stop it by doing exactly what people can see its members doing tonight: filibustering and speaking on the bill for no other reason than they want to stop it from passing. So those, Ms Barry, are the reasons why we are here debating the bill. It is about democracy. The majority of parliamentarians\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a8340f36f7548e8828fb3f5809b2f1a\u0022\u003EMaggie Barry\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019ve been overtaken by events. It is no longer needed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298b66700b4f54d908655c064fef6bbae\u0022\u003ESUE MORONEY\u003C/span\u003E: Can I remind Ms Barry that support partners of the Government support this bill. It is clearly not unaffordable. The previous Minister of Revenue for this Government supports this bill. It is clearly not unaffordable. That is just a weak and lame excuse for the National members, who cannot bring themselves to support children and support families in this way. They are completely wrong. They should be ashamed of what they are doing this evening.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022 data-id=\u00227f45551907ad4ce2a44f884d1427d944\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227f45551907ad4ce2a44f884d1427d944\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG (National\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E I think what we want to probably make clear is that things are a matter of balance, and when the sponsor of the bill says that this Government does not support children or does not support families, that is incorrect. We know, and she knows, that this Government introduced with the Budget, and passed through all stages into law on 16 May, legislation that increases the number of weeks of paid parental leave from the current 14 weeks to 16 weeks as of 1 April 2015, and to 18 weeks as of 1 April 2016. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI think that the member she was referring to made a comment around affordability. When I talk about balance and affordability, what we have to understand is that this Government spends its money out of, essentially, a single bucket. So money we spend in one area cannot be spent in another, and so we have issues. Last week, for example, the Hon Tony Ryall sent out a press release regarding people who need kidney transplants. There are 600 on the waiting list in New Zealand, and we do a hundred a year. So he has increased funding\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223781e2f503044091816c8fa8dff01da4\u0022\u003EAndrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s this got to do with paid parental leave?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286e445ecef2c4908b096a0b565afb2c4\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, it does have something to do with paid parental leave, because it has to do with the balance of funding that we seek to spread over the needs of New Zealanders. We need to understand that when we say that some areas take too much, it is not because there is a lack of concern; it is because there is also concern for other areas where money needs to be spent. I think that is the rationale that we need to understand when it comes to spending the Government\u2019s resources or the taxpayers\u2019 funds. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003ESo when the sponsor of the bill says that this Government does not care, I refute that. What we are essentially saying is that her bill, though well intentioned, goes too far and costs too much, because it takes away money that needs to be spent in other areas of desperate need for New Zealanders. So it is a matter of finding the balance. I think what Mike Sabin has talked about and what I spoke about not long ago is that the balance also around parental responsibility needs to be considered, because as much as we would like to make everything easy, we have got to understand that there is balance needed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI remember when parental leave legislation first went through\u2014going back to the principal Act in 1987. I do not know about you, but I remember hearing Richard Prebble speaking on the radio. I am not sure whether it was around this point in time, but he said something about parenting that stuck with me all of these years. [Interruption] And he is one of them, by the way. You know that. He said: \u201CWhen it comes to having children and you can\u2019t afford it\u201D\u2014because that can be a relative thing, for a start\u2014\u201Clove your kids and enjoy them, even though there is going to be financial pressure.\u201D What he was saying, I think, was that there is joy that comes with every child. I think that we forget some of those great values. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI talked before about when I was brought up as a kid in South Taranaki on the farm and out in the rural areas before I became a townie at the age of 10. There were a lot of things that we could not afford but we had a great life. You know, you think that you can have a great life only if you have got all the support that comes from the Government, and we do not believe in that. We believe that it is appropriate to give support where it is needed and where it is affordable, but sometimes when you go too far you create other things that happen. Some of those things that happen are a lack of community support and a lack of wider family support. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EWe have gone through our society with 14 weeks\u2019 leave, and we have done that to assist families who need to have a transition period when they can make decisions about how they are going to manage financially\u2014perhaps go back to work or, if not, then make adjustments so their budget can cope. We have done all that. But now to extend it out from 14 to 26 weeks\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022 data-id=\u00226009e840fe01440dab6cde9da1acf6cd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a40f5af7-f9b0-4b44-9669-9e63be1c3ced\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226009e840fe01440dab6cde9da1acf6cd\u0022\u003EDARIEN FENTON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226f340569210940508588359edd865d18\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 57\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 63\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; M\u0101ori Party 3; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022 data-id=\u002297219216c39f41efb8ceae65a328c191\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002297219216c39f41efb8ceae65a328c191\u0022\u003ETIM MACINDOE (National\u2014Hamilton West):\u003C/span\u003E I just want to point out to anybody who may be listening that it is not the Government\u2019s intention to drag out this particular clause, clause 3, but, Mr Chair, you did just accept a closure motion when only four members had spoken on this side of the Chamber, and there were other members seeking the call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ef17c66b92f46a48a208a0cedf8dd86\u0022\u003EAndrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: Nothing genuine about this speech!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d32491af58ac48fda4c65632df914958\u0022\u003ETIM MACINDOE\u003C/span\u003E: I can assure Mr Little that this is going to be very genuine, and I am happy to tell him why, if he would like to stop sounding like a foghorn and listen. A number of Opposition claims have been made. He is clearly not interested in listening. He is just going to filibuster from that side by preventing me from speaking. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EFirst of all, I would like to acknowledge Sue Moroney\u2019s husband, Shane, who is in the gallery. I am sure it is a pleasure for her to have her husband here tonight. I do also want to acknowledge that Sue has been incredibly lucky with members\u2019 bills, because I think she has had several drawn out in her time as a member. In my time here, I have never had a single one drawn out. People who are listening may wonder. It is a little bit like parliamentary lotto. If you get lucky, they get drawn out of the ballot. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EI think there is an important point that does need to be made, and that is that the members\u2019 bills of the Opposition cannot be used to derail a Government\u2019s Budget. It is very important to remind everybody who is listening that notwithstanding the very narrow support for the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months\u2019 Paid Leave) Amendment Bill in the current Parliament of members, with the composition of parties that are here, this bill has never been voted on by the New Zealand public. It has never been taken to the public for a mandate, and therefore it is a little bit rich for the members opposite to claim the moral high ground on behalf of the 60 members of this Parliament tonight who are voting for it, when 4.4 million New Zealanders have not yet had a chance to vote on it. As I say, members\u2019 bills of the Opposition cannot derail a Government\u2019s Budget, because a Government has to have the ability to budget for the long term, to plan its fiscal strategy, and to work out how revenue and Government spending can be organised in a responsible way to ensure that New Zealand taxpayers\u2014who, after all, will have to pay for anything that a Parliament commits expenditure to\u2014can afford it and that it has been factored in. This clearly had not been. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EEven more important, it is worth nothing that in this year\u2019s Budget there was $500 million of new spending for New Zealand families.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002214a7b7621f5a49abb8d8b49311ba3dba\u0022\u003EKanwaljit Singh Bakshi\u003C/span\u003E: How much?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4ca7a6828e7459d98376e0362a7e4da\u0022\u003ETIM MACINDOE\u003C/span\u003E: There was $500 million, and that did include an extension to paid parental leave, and I was proud to support that. So I reject utterly any suggestion that members on this side are not in favour of paid parental leave. We are, and we demonstrated that with our Budget. We also broadened the scope with the extension of the parental tax credit, which meant that more people qualify. Again, that is very important, particularly for those at the bottom end of the scale, who most need support. Thirdly\u2014and it is allied to this\u2014we have extended the opportunity for families in New Zealand to access free doctors visits for children. Again, that is an important measure that I am very proud of. So this is a family-friendly Government and that was a family-friendly Budget, but this particular measure that we are debating tonight has not had the endorsement of the New Zealand people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EI also just want to make a point about the accusation of filibustering because, boy, that is rich. In my 6 years here I have listened to the Opposition filibuster on the Auckland governance bill to the point where there were 30,000 amendments tabled, most of which wanted to change the date of commencement\u201430,000\u2014and we had to sit here all day on a Saturday listening to that nonsense. I heard the member whose name this bill is in filibustering on the Royal Society bill, which was totally uncontroversial. She had nothing of any value to say, nor did any of her colleagues. I also heard them do the same thing on the Parana Park bill. If they would like me to talk about the Parana Park bill, which was a wonderful little local measure for Hamilton, I am happy to do so, but it would not be relevant. That is the sort of thing that they did\u2014talk irrelevantly. I point out that every member of the Government who has spoken tonight has dealt with the substantive nature of this bill. They have dealt with the issues that arise from it, they have dealt with their responsibility to the taxpayer, and that is the way it should be. That is not filibustering. That is responsible parliamentary debate, and I am proud of my colleagues this evening.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u0022a2d2fa9617664ddea63ebab61d762acd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a2d2fa9617664ddea63ebab61d762acd\u0022\u003ETRACEY MARTIN (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Chair. Can I just compliment Mr Macindoe on his contribution. Mr Macindoe is right, and Mr Macindoe is wrong. Mr Macindoe is right that the Government has the ability to veto this bill because the budget of it has not been worked out inside the Budget that those members placed in front of the country. We know that. I think that what is most interesting, and probably what the New Zealand public needs to understand, is that some of the frustration of the Opposition is that we know that, Mr Macindoe. Your Government has that ability. Use it. Do not continue this argument. Use the veto\u2014use the veto. Do not be so afraid with regard to the election that is coming and the backlash that your party may receive from the New Zealand people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EWhere Mr Macindoe is wrong is that he said that there is no mandate from the New Zealand people for this bill, and yet Mr Macindoe knows that like every other member\u2019s bill, it goes before a select committee and that the New Zealand public have just as much opportunity\u2014and many, many took this opportunity on this bill; many more than on other members\u2019 bills that have been out there\u2014to put their voice into the consultation process. Mr Macindoe knows that, so he knows that the New Zealand public has had an opportunity to discuss this bill. Submission after submission after submission was in favour of this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EMr Macindoe and his party often use the fact that they have a mandate because they are elected representatives of the country. They argue against having a binding citizens initiated referendum on that basis, so they bring their voice, just as United Future brings its voice. One might not like the deal they have now done with United Future because it brought a vote to this House on the back of a deal with their Government, which it chooses to use independently when the Government might not have wanted it to. It might not suit Government members that the M\u0101ori Party, which they also did a deal with to try to keep their Government going, chose to use its votes independently to support this bill. But that does stand as a mandate under the arguments that National has used before. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EMr Macindoe is an eloquent speaker\u2014there is no doubt about it\u2014and Mr Macindoe is a good, honest, decent man, who loves his family and supports his electorate and who actually believes in parents and children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000729\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce37ed1ceadc4a3d96d47085bbfa2853\u0022\u003EMike Sabin\u003C/span\u003E: So do I.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000730\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002259107e4ea0d8483f99869954f55a7c22\u0022\u003ETRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: And Mr Sabin is not so bad, either. But let us get real. What has been happening here is that the Opposition understands the position it is in. It understands that the Government has the power of veto. Get on with it. If you are going to veto the bill, veto it, and let the people of New Zealand see that and make their decision when they go to the polls on the fact that you vetoed a bill that almost 100 percent of the submitters actually supported.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022 data-id=\u00223181ac198c904b5683bc4f5ca2935cfa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000731\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223181ac198c904b5683bc4f5ca2935cfa\u0022\u003EMAGGIE BARRY (National\u2014North Shore):\u003C/span\u003E When we look at the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months\u2019 Paid Leave) Amendment Bill and at the purpose of this bill, we are really reminded that this is not really fit for purpose. I have mentioned that at other times, in my previous call, and I would like to draw attention to what this Government has been doing instead in this space, which is a tremendous thing. The work that we are doing in this space of allowing workers who have been with their employer for more than 6 months but for less than a year to be entitled to some form of unpaid leave is something that we are proud of. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000732\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EI think it is important that we consult and that we are seen to be looking carefully at what this country really needs: primary carers who provide permanent foster care akin to adoption, such as Home for Life parents. People who have permanent guardianship\u2014that is, biological fathers and grandparents caring for grandchildren\u2014need to be eligible as well, as long as they meet the work test criteria, of course. A number of proposals that we are putting together to modernise parental leave, which allow changes to allow greater access and increased flexibility, are also available. We are taking submissions on this through until about 25 August, and then we aim to have those in place by 1 April. There are\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000733\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261f01e4a1480487e98a2313a25afcd2b\u0022\u003ETracey Martin\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. Excuse me, but I am just not sure what relevance the current speaker\u2019s comments are having to the clause that we are debating.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000734\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a65eb61f4034d049dac3d189945fb44\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: It is a point well made. I urge the member to refer to clause 3, because that is what we are actually debating at the present stage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000735\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc7432c097b64694aa759f12b6a0e120\u0022\u003EMAGGIE BARRY\u003C/span\u003E: Sure. Having said enough on clause 3, I will wait until clause 4 and devote my comments in more detail to that. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022831d4a49ef3442fb86a33d1a73681244\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That clause 3 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 60\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; M\u0101ori Party 3; Mana 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 59\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause 3 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000736\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00227002579dc2d449bf8c2e005f66d62637\u0022\u003EClause 4  Purpose\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022 data-id=\u0022d57496b9e4b346e5a190b8963a4ff628\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000737\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d57496b9e4b346e5a190b8963a4ff628\u0022\u003ESUE MORONEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I want to make a contribution on clause 4 because it is the purpose clause of the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months\u2019 Paid Leave) Amendment Bill that we are about to debate, and I hope that members will stick to that. Also, I want to take a call because I think that those watching may be a little tired of the moralising and the judgmental-type calls that are coming from the National Party members about what good parenting is and what good parenting is not. I think I would rather bring the debate back to making sure that there are choices for all families. Opportunity and choice\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000738\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022721a14ca-e9d5-4c2e-b3ef-03d03e4fea07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a42390f4d22479bae061ec7907aae4c\u0022\u003EMike Sabin\u003C/span\u003E: Rights and responsibilities\u2014where does the measure lie?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000739\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ca47745bd874965aaa2a4a98690342a\u0022\u003ESUE MORONEY\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014are what this bill is about, Mr Sabin. It is actually about choices for families. It is not about requiring families to take paid parental leave. It is not requiring families to have one of the parents in paid employment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000740\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EBut the reality is that for most families these days, unless they are very, very wealthy, there is a need for both parents to be in paid employment. There is a range of other things that we need to maybe address in our society. We need higher wages, for example. That would be a good outcome, would it not, if we actually got the National Party members to agree that higher wages were something that would be good to resolve this issue? But no, they are actually spending their time making judgmental-type contributions about parenting and what makes good parenting and what does not. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000741\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EThis bill is about choices. It is about choices for families. It is about the ability for this country as a collective society to actually say that we want to invest in the future of our society, that investing in children is a priority, and certainly within the Labour Party that is what we believe\u2014that investing in children is a priority. We want the best, well-rounded citizens of this country because we know that will actually give the brighter future that the National Party members used to talk about. They have stopped it now but they once talked about a brighter future. This bill is a practical measure to bring about that brighter future that the National Party once believed in. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000742\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EIt is very sad to hear the National members\u2019 speeches because I think that people will hear them protesting far too loudly\u2014far too loudly\u2014that they do really actually quite like children. Of course they like children! But if they really wanted to prioritise families and children then they would be supporting this bill; they would not be speaking to try to stop it from having its votes. I agree with Tracey Martin that if the Government really was going to be honest and authentic in its debate about this bill, it would stop this silly nonsense of the filibuster and would let the bill pass, and then use its financial veto. If Government members really believe they have a justified case for saying it was unaffordable, then I ask them to use the financial veto. That is what it is there for. I firmly believe that the Government has done this and gone through all these twists and turns to not use the financial veto because it knows that there is not the financial justification for using it. The Government members know that in their heart of hearts, and that is why they will not go down that track. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000743\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003EI want to remind some of the speakers who have spoken on the previous clauses that the bill does have public support. I say to Mr Macindoe that we know that because 96.4 percent of the submitters on this bill\u2014and there were 3,800 of them\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000744\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022327a6659a807479fa33c4f8db371fc63\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: That is not a mandate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000745\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002284103d564adf4a90bd6b3915383a32d0\u0022\u003ESUE MORONEY\u003C/span\u003E: \u201CIt\u2019s not a mandate.\u201D says Mr Macindoe. He is just running down the whole system of democracy in this country. The select committee process brought forward about 3,809 submitters, I think, and 96.4 percent of them agreed with this bill, as did a poll. The poll was not done by a political party. It was done, I think, by one of the TV channels. It was of 1,000 people and it showed that even when the question was put to them that it was going to cost $500 million, which it is not, by the way\u2014even then, with that amount of money being put into that loaded question, 63 percent of New Zealanders said they wanted it. So this bill\u2014and I know the National Party does not want to hear this\u2014does have wide public support in New Zealand. It has parliamentary support. The only thing standing between families and 26 weeks\u2019 paid parental leave is the National Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022 data-id=\u00227922d05b41f646e5b23f5503093de39f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000746\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227922d05b41f646e5b23f5503093de39f\u0022\u003EDr JIAN YANG (National):\u003C/span\u003E Ni hao, xiexie. I rise to take a call on the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months\u2019 Paid Leave) Amendment Bill. As a father of two I understand the importance of any support for families. Happy, stable families are particularly important to the functioning of our society and to the quality of life. Supporting families is a fundamental service that any Government should provide. However, on the other hand, it is equally important that we manage our finances responsibly and make sure that the Government does not overspend. In this context, this bill is not balanced and it goes too far.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000747\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003EThe National Government is committed to providing better services to New Zealand families, including giving children the best possible start in life. That is exactly why our Budget 2014 invests almost $500 million more in the well-being of New Zealand\u2019s children and families. Budget 2014 provides a comprehensive package of practical measures, focused on young families and those vulnerable children who most need our care and protection\u2014for example, free general practitioner visits and free prescriptions for children under 13; 4 weeks\u2019 extra paid parental leave and extended to caregivers other than parents; and an increase in the parental tax credit by $70 a week, to $220 a week, and extended by 2 weeks to 10 weeks. The total fiscal cost of both the extension of paid parental leave and the changes to the parental tax credit is more than $183 million over 4 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000748\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003EAdditionally, we will be spending a further $30 million to increase paid parental leave eligibility, following a consultation process. Just this week this Government has announced that parental leave payments will increase from 1 July 2014 to reflect the 3.3 percent increase in the average weekly wage over the past year. The maximum payment for eligible employees and self-employed persons will increase from $488.17 a week to $504.10 gross a week. The minimum parental leave payments for self-employed people will also increase from $137.50 a week to $142.50 gross a week. The Government has always said that it was prepared to extend paid parental leave, but in a way that is affordable. When we could afford more, we would do more. That is exactly what we did in Budget 2014. But Labour\u2019s 26 weeks\u2019 paid parental leave goes too far and it costs too much. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000749\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003ENational is focused on reasonably managing the Government\u2019s finances. It is important we get back to surplus and get that under control. Countries with longer paid parental leave entitlements than New Zealand\u2019s include Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain. We know what happened to those countries during the global financial crisis. There is a real danger of running up huge deficits, through unaffordable Government spending. This bill is also poorly targeted. Bear in mind that only around 40 percent of families with newborns get paid parental leave. Labour\u2019s policy is not targeted on need. Twenty-six weeks\u2019 paid parental leave does not help a lot of the most vulnerable children in New Zealand, who would benefit from much more targeted support and services.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000750\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003EProgress reported.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000751\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000752\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 9.56 p.m. to 9 a.m. (Thursday)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2014072365529d6ce40d40d1b5c80115d0694879000753\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e32f21a228ca4841939a4abc06007a13\u0022\u003EWEDNESDAY, 23 JULY 2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000002\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002288b06832b4534e56aee50bbec5fd846f\u0022\u003E(continued on Thursday, 24 July 2014)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002288931c61239f43779c7b7c42559cc8a2\u0022\u003ET\u016Bhoe Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002288931c61239f43779c7b7c42559cc8a2\u0022\u003ETe Urewera Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022df256f45c2d448f4bc898ebe64608699\u0022\u003EThird Readings\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022 data-id=\u002247166fb148dc479793a3e6617e040ff5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002247166fb148dc479793a3e6617e040ff5\u0022\u003ETE URUROA FLAVELL (Co-Leader\u2014M\u0101ori Party):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koe. Kia ora t\u0101tou kua tae mai i t\u0113nei ata. Reo M\u0101ori nei. I t\u0113nei rangi kua tae mai a Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, M\u0101taatua waka ki t\u0113nei rangi whakahirahira. I roto i ng\u0101 tikanga o Te Ao M\u0101ori ko te mahi tuatahi, ko te tuku i ng\u0101 whakamoemiti, ka mutu ko te tuku i t\u0113tahi karakia hei w\u0101w\u0101hi i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero. Ko t\u0101ku ko te p\u0101tai ki te Whare P\u0101remata nei kia tukuna te kupu tuatahi ki a Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe ki te tuku i t\u0113tahi karakia hei w\u0101w\u0101hi i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero ka mutu, ka rere ng\u0101 k\u014Drero. Koinei te inoi he p\u0101tai noa ake ki te Whare kia p\u0113r\u0101 rawa t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E[Greetings to us all who have arrived here this morning. I will speak in M\u0101ori. Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe and the canoe of M\u0101taatua have arrived here on this magnificent day today. In accordance with the protocols of M\u0101oridom, the first thing to be done is to express praises and give thanks, and then a prayer is recited afterwards, to open up the speeches. I seek leave of the House to allow this to happen, and further seek that Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe conduct the first part and recite a prayer to open up the speeches, so that the debates can flow. This is simply what is being sought of the House\u2014to enable us to follow that course of action.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022 data-id=\u002226b401e97a6a4fbb89f72f7fc893cc5c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002226b401e97a6a4fbb89f72f7fc893cc5c\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The best way we can handle this is that leave has been sought for a karakia by Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe before we proceed. I will put the leave. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There appears not. Leave is granted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003EKarakia\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u0022cfb19b348d67475985b3c442d7ec71aa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cfb19b348d67475985b3c442d7ec71aa\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the T\u016Bhoe Claims Settlement Bill and the Te Urewera Bill be now read a third time. T\u016Bhoe rohe, T\u016Bhoe tangata, nau mai, hara mai. Haere mai ki te Whare P\u0101remata. N\u0101 koutou te kaha, te m\u0101ia, \u0101, kua tutuki pai t\u0113nei mahi nui, mahi whakahirahira. He r\u0101 nui t\u0113nei m\u014D koutou me ng\u0101 uri kei te haere mai, \u0101, m\u014D t\u0101tou katoa. Rau rangatira m\u0101 huri noa i t\u0113nei Whare, t\u0113nei taku mihi atu ki a koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E[Welcome, the region and people of T\u016Bhoe, welcome. Welcome to Parliament. The strength and confidence was yours, and, as a consequence, this significant and magnificent task was completed efficiently. This is an outstanding day for you collectively, for generations to come, and for us all. The esteemed of a hundredfold throughout this House, I commend, acknowledge, congratulate, and applaud you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ETo all members of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe watching this debate up and down the valleys of Te Urewera, in Waikaremoana, in T\u0101neatua, and other places, I send you my best wishes and the best wishes of the Crown. This is a significant day for Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, for the Crown, and for this country. It is a significant day also for this House, for 118 years ago this House passed legislation that would have achieved a lot of what this legislation sets out to achieve had the Crown only lived up to its obligations. Today we revisit some of the very issues debated in this Chamber in September 1896. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EWe are debating two bills today. The T\u016Bhoe Claims Settlement Bill necessarily focuses on the past, and I encourage every New Zealander watching or listening to this debate to read clauses 9 and 10 of the T\u016Bhoe Claims Settlement Bill. Clause 9 lists the Crown acknowledgments of past actions\u2014some of the worst in our history. That clause will not make comfortable reading for any New Zealander. Clause 10 then enacts in statute an apology through which, as subclause (7) says, \u201CThe Crown hopes to build afresh its relationship with T\u016Bhoe \u2026 for current and for future generations.\u201D I will give the formal apology when I go to T\u0101neatua on 22 August. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI want, however, to concentrate my brief remarks this morning on the Te Urewera Bill, which sets out the arrangements for what is currently Te Urewera National Park. T\u016Bhoe spent the 20th century essentially locked out of involvement in their own homeland. The promises made in the Urewera District Native Reserve Act 1896 were never kept. That Act was never honoured, and was eventually repealed without any input from Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. Then in 1954 the Crown made a unilateral declaration that Te Urewera was to become a national park. Today we begin to remedy that history. Te Urewera will no longer be a national park; instead, it will have its own legal identity. It reflects a T\u016Bhoe view of Te Urewera as having an identity in its own right, not as a mere possession but a treasured place that requires respect and careful stewardship. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ETe Urewera will be governed by a board formed of Crown and T\u016Bhoe appointees. For the first 3 years, while that board establishes itself, it will consist of four members appointed by T\u016Bhoe and four by the Crown. After 3 years the board will consist of six members appointed by T\u016Bhoe and three by the Crown\u2014a T\u016Bhoe majority. There is nothing particularly novel in this arrangement. The commission set up under the 1896 Act consisted of seven commissioners\u2014two P\u0101keh\u0101 and five T\u016Bhoe. The board will be required to act in the best interests of Te Urewera. It will develop and approve a management plan, make decisions on concessions and other permits, and undertake other statutory functions. It must at all times promote unanimous or consensus decision-making and the highest level of collaboration. Most important, the board will work to enhance Te Urewera as a place of outstanding natural, recreational, and cultural value\u2014a place that can be enjoyed by everyone. Public access will be unaffected. T\u016Bhoe has always welcomed visitors and I know they are looking forward to welcoming visitors to Te Urewera under these new arrangements. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI am going to leave it for other speakers to talk about some of the other detail of the legislation. I emphasise, moreover, that the redress proposed in this bill does not preclude any future redress that may be agreed with other iwi and hap\u016B who have interests in Te Urewera. The Waitangi Tribunal has considered these issues and found this to be the case. I make this clear\u2014indeed, I belabour the point\u2014because some members of this House seem to be hopelessly misled on the matter. It is a pity that on a day like today we have to bother with some of the antics of those who like to twist a good news story to fit their own yearning for constant publicity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EAs this is a third reading speech, I want to acknowledge a number of people whose contributions should be recorded in Hansard. First, I want to acknowledge T\u0101mati Kruger and Kirsti Luke. They are together a class act. They have done a great job for Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. It has been an honour to work with them. I also acknowledge the other trustees. They have worked so very hard to hold the Crown accountable for its wrongs generations ago and to negotiate a just and durable settlement. I acknowledge the many kaum\u0101tua who are no longer with us for the role that they played over many years, keeping the fires burning for Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, and for their repeated attempts to resolve issues with the Crown. I want to pay a very special tribute to my chief Crown negotiator, John Wood. Tim Groser said to me \u201CIf you want a good negotiator, go for John Wood.\u201D and he has been a great negotiator. I also want to acknowledge Lil Anderson, Clinton Geeves, Rachel Houlbrooke, and all their colleagues at the Office of Treaty Settlements because their work has been outstanding. They are skilled and dedicated professionals. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, so ably chaired by my friend and colleague Tau Henare. I also acknowledge Te Ururoa Flavell, a great MP and a good parliamentary friend of mine, who has always been there to give wise counsel at difficult times. I acknowledge the Rt Hon Jim Bolger, who is going to be a member of the board. I remember the late Dame Judith Binney and the late Sir Rodney Gallen. Both of them would have loved to be here today. Sir Rodney was for many years a judge of the High Court, but, more important than that, he was a great friend of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. I remember having lunch with him shortly before his death and he was emphatic. He said to me on more than one occasion: \u201CThe Crown has to settle with Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe.\u201D Finally, I want to acknowledge my ministerial colleagues, particularly the Prime Minister, the Hon Bill English, the Hon Gerry Brownlee, and the Hon Nick Smith for all their support. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EIt takes political courage to do what we are doing today. This is indeed a momentous step, but what we are doing should not be surprising, because what we are doing is honouring a promise that lay unfulfilled throughout the 20th century. This is the second chance the Crown has to get this right. This time it must do so. It indeed has been a fascinating and absorbing negotiation. I remember going with Tim Groser, who was then the Minister of Conservation, and he and I were shown the T\u016Bhoe rohe by Basil. I do not know whether Basil is here this morning. I send him my best wishes. We went from Ru\u0101toki to Waikaremoana, looking at key sites. I remember a journalist asking me how many hectares I thought T\u016Bhoe had lost over the years. I waffled because I was not sure, but I sure know now. That is why I am so convinced that this settlement is absolutely necessary for the country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe legislation has its third readings today. Then in a few days it will go to the Governor-General to be signed into law. From the day this legislation comes into force, T\u016Bhoe will play the leading role in the future of their homeland, Te Urewera. More than that, what this House does today will provide the foundation for a new relationship between the Crown and Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe\u2014a relationship in which I hope we will together walk and work for our mutual honour, dignity, advantage, and progress. I commend the legislation to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u0022ed5e67fae6da477ca8de9f7fa7731626\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ed5e67fae6da477ca8de9f7fa7731626\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour\u2014Hauraki-Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E E ng\u0101 mana o ng\u0101 marae, ng\u0101 hapu o te rohe p\u014Dtae o T\u016Bhoe t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou i raro i te tuanui o te Whare nei, me ng\u0101 pou kanohi i whakatau i ng\u0101 kaupapa e pa ana ki a t\u0101tou te iwi M\u0101ori. Ahakoa te roanga o ng\u0101 toimahatanga e p\u0101 ana ki a koutou, i ng\u0101 kaupapa K\u0101wanatanga, e \u016B tonu ana ki t\u0113r\u0101 ki te mana motuhake o te iwi M\u0101ori, \u014D koutou o T\u016Bhoe. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E[To the authorities of the marae and subtribal territories of T\u016Bhoe, salutations to you collectively. Greetings to you beneath the roof of this House, and to fellow members who are the pillars within it and who determine matters relating to us, the M\u0101ori people. Despite protracted difficulties relating to you in terms of Government proposals, it is firmly fixed on that M\u0101ori autonomy of yours, T\u016Bhoe. Well done and congratulations to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI proudly stand to support the third and final reading of bills divided from the Te Urewera-T\u016Bhoe Bill. To the many T\u016Bhoe gathered here today to witness a historic moment, I acknowledge you. I cannot help but be reminded that history has an uncanny way of repeating itself and at times correcting itself and past mistakes. I sense that this is one of those times. We debate this bill during the time of Matariki, a time that heralds the new season, and the end and the beginning of the new cycle. The passing of legislation for T\u016Bhoe and Te Urewera settlements today cements an ambition to forge ahead and determine new prospects. We have come a long way from the scorched earth policies etched in the minds of those here today, yet as a nation, much of that story still remains hidden and only resurfaces on occasions, and reminds us that there is still so much more to do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ETe Paki o Matariki is the coat of arms for the K\u012Bngitanga and asserts the ambition to strive for mana motuhake, an aspiration that T\u016Bhoe has always maintained as germane to their expression of self\u2014past, present, and future. This year marks the commemoration of 150 years since the New Zealand Wars, a cogent point in our country\u2019s history that led to some of the bloodiest engagements between iwi and colonial forces. M\u0101ori nationalism was at the forefront of these engagements and the aspiration to hold on to our lands and continue to assert M\u0101ori authority was at its core. In remembering that history and asserting a new future, it serves as a timely reminder that Treaty settlements have a significant part to play in the reconciliation and redress for past wrongs and the way in which the Crown, on behalf of all New Zealanders, seeks a durable outcome. I want to acknowledge the Rt Hon Jim Bolger in the House today, who is listening to this, and who commenced some of that process\u2014t\u0113n\u0101 koe. This intent will be held to account over many generations, not simply by the words we say today but by the actions we undertake tomorrow and into the future as parliamentarians, as members of the Government, and as representatives of the Crown. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIn the first reading debate I considered that many iwi would be looking to the provisions of the Urewera management over the national park as a precedent for their own conservation and natural heritage areas. But there is more to the reason why this arrangement was able to be achieved in such a significant way for the people of T\u016Bhoe. Some of that has been commented on by the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, Chris Finlayson. Just before you get to the steps of Parliament, the imposing statue of Richard Seddon welcomes visitors on to the grounds of our Parliament, the same man who promised to T\u016Bhoe a pact, following the incessant conflict between military forces and T\u016Bhoe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThe late Judith Binney\u2019s account states: \u201CSeddon invited a T\u016Bhoe delegation to Wellington in September 1895, when a new compact between the Crown and T\u016Bhoe was forged. T\u016Bhoe affirmed their acknowledgment of the Crown\u2019s authority while the Crown acknowledged and agreed to respect the mana motuhake, or independent authority, of T\u016Bhoe. This time the tribal protectorate was confirmed by legislation, the Urewera District Native Reserve Act 1896, or Te Ture Motuhake o T\u016Bhoe.\u201D I make comment about that because the significance of this occasion was marked back then by the gift of a taiaha from a renowned T\u016Bhoe rangatira, Kerer\u016B, to Seddon. Binney notes that this gift was a symbolic affirmation of peace, in return for the recognition of T\u016Bhoe mana motuhake over their lands. It appears to me that in part today makes good on something that occurred some many years prior, and I want to acknowledge that this is an important day for New Zealand as much as it is for T\u016Bhoe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI also want to recognise that the country is celebrating Te Reo M\u0101ori this week. Many T\u016Bhoe educators have been instrumental over a long period of time to reaffirm Te Reo M\u0101ori in schools and in communities throughout the country and in our academic learning institutions. That remains the case today. It was not uncommon in my home town of Huntly during the 1980s that a whole lot of Waikato kids would be running around R\u0101kaumanga school with a distinct T\u016Bhoe dialect, thanks to Barna Heremia. Even when I got to university I remember fondly my lecturer Whaea Ani Black and her determination to encourage us, above all else: \u201Cme k\u014Drero t\u014D reo M\u0101ori\u201D. People might appreciate how refreshing that was against the linguistic backdrop of Professor Bruce Biggs, who deconstructed the language to a sequential pattern that could be traced across the Pacific. Au\u0113! T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Whaea Ani. So it is no surprise, to me, anyway, that the aspirations of the T\u016Bhoe Education Authority are the culmination of an extensive contribution of T\u016Bhoe to Te Reo M\u0101ori and m\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori over a long period of time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EMy previous contributions to the debates on this particular settlement have been extensive, and I do not intend to repeat previous contributions. In summary, as a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, it was my privilege to consider the bill alongside other select committee members, well chaired by the Hon Tau Henare. It was painfully evident, similar to our experience back home, that the settlement has had its challenges, both internally and externally, but only time, understanding, intent, and a commitment to the future generations may soften some of that mamae that may still pervade. By and large, I sense a great deal of optimism. There has been a need to forge and reaffirm key relationships with bordering iwi; I consider the representations of Ng\u0101ti Ruapani and Te \u016Apokorehe, and I just comment, again, that this matter requires ongoing vigilance\u2014also Ng\u0101ti Manawa, actually, looking at the member. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ERepresentation and governance for and by the people of T\u016Bhoe\u2014the T\u016Bhoe way\u2014can be assessed only by T\u016Bhoe, nobody else. We all learn better from our own experiences and create our threshold of what best practice looks like. Once the settlement is reached and the new governance structure is in place and T\u016Bhoe get on with their business, a great deal of many people would want to comment on how that is done. But, actually, it is up to T\u016Bhoe to determine for them what is best for them. We should stay out of it. Attracting tribal members home to help might well be the consequence of such a significant settlement. It does come with a huge level of expectation of all your tribal members sitting outside your boundary, thinking \u201CGee, how can I help out? Au\u0113! What if I get called back home?\u201D. Our experience, if I can be so bold to share, is that no matter where our people reside and how they contribute throughout society in their different areas, putting their skills to the best possible use all helps to build the mana of the iwi. When they are called home, let us not put a greater expectation on our own tribal members than we do on anybody else. Sometimes we can be the worst critics of ourselves. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThis settlement is the most significant since that of Ng\u0101i Tahu and Waikato-Tainui. It is an opportunity for T\u016Bhoe to look forward, holding on to what is uniquely T\u016Bhoe and will never be lost, for the benefit of future generations of T\u016Bhoe. I am so proud to be a small part in the cog of a wheel that can help this waka move further. I want to thank the negotiators who lucidly presented the full context of this settlement to the select committee\u2014T\u0101mati Kruger and your team. I also want to thank the Crown negotiators for the way in which you addressed, with what appears to be a great deal of sincerity, the way in which this particular settlement hangs together. I thank the select committee staff for your perseverance with us as select committee members, answering our questions and finding the information before we got to the outcome. To our chair, Tau Henare, awesome, brother. Ka kite an\u014D. I think what you allowed the select committee to do was pursue any line of questioning that could give us full satisfaction that we were attempting to make sure that this was a robust and well-thought-through marrying of the deed of settlement with the legislation. It is with some regret, I have to say, that we have not got unanimity in the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EFinally, I want to recognise the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations. Minister Finlayson, you in your own speech have more than adequately outlined how important and unique this settlement is, and to have arrived at this point in time, I certainly commend you and the Government. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Labour happily supports the third reading of this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u002290ac7c541f644c9c8fc672ee6bccb918\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002290ac7c541f644c9c8fc672ee6bccb918\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Police):\u003C/span\u003E Can I start by saying t\u0113n\u0101 koutou to all the members of T\u016Bhoe who are gathered here today. Can I acknowledge the Rt Hon Jim Bolger, former Prime Minister, and also His Worship the Mayor of Whakat\u0101ne, Tony Bonne, who is in the gallery. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThis legislation arising from the Te Urewera-T\u016Bhoe Bill has special significance for me as the member of Parliament for East Coast. It addresses some of the worst actions by the Crown in our history, and, in part, these events took place within the boundaries of the East Coast electorate. That boundary includes a large part of Te Urewera and other parts of the T\u016Bhoe rohe, including the town of T\u0101neatua, where I attended the opening of T\u016Bhoe\u2019s impressive new ecological community centre and headquarters in March. It is also where the Crown will deliver its formal apology for the breaches of the Treaty that this legislation settles. We can already see the progress that T\u016Bhoe is making in revitalising its community in T\u0101neatua. This bill sets the groundwork. The T\u016Bhoe Claims Settlement Bill provides commercial and financial redress to the iwi of $170 million. This will allow the iwi to develop a strong economic base and provide for more opportunities for their people. Importantly, T\u016Bhoe\u2019s leadership have made clear that they want those opportunities not just for T\u016Bhoe currently in their rohe but also so that those who have left can come home. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EIn this Government we are all committed to regional development. We understand that the regions drive our economy, and T\u016Bhoe\u2019s attitude has been one of unwavering commitment to regional development literally from the ground up. Mana motuhake redress relates to improved relationships between T\u016Bhoe and the Crown and the delivery of Government and iwi services to T\u016Bhoe communities, and includes the Crown-T\u016Bhoe relationship agreement signed in 2011, which provides the foundation for how T\u016Bhoe and the Crown will work together. It includes the social service management plan, which governs the relationships with, and the management and delivery of services by, key Crown agencies and T\u016Bhoe over the long term. The initial planning is for 5 years of the eventual 40-year period. It sets out how the Ministry of Education, Ministry of Social Development, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment, and three district health boards in the area will work with T\u016Bhoe to address disadvantage and improve social outcomes in Te Urewera. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EAt the beginning of this process there were ill-founded fears in some corners that mana motuhake somehow means separatism, and that was, of course, never true. Throughout the negotiations in the passage of this legislation we have seen nothing except the growing of closer ties between T\u016Bhoe and the rest of the community. At the March opening of that magnificent community centre and T\u016Bhoe headquarters, which was a huge Eastern Bay of Plenty community event, we saw that relationship between T\u016Bhoe and the community personified by the celebrations in which the locals took part, and that depicted, of course, the maturing relationship. I believe that this will be the legacy of the legislation we are debating today. It sets the scene for a new relationship between the Crown and T\u016Bhoe, and clears the path for T\u016Bhoe to contribute to the community and take an active leadership role in the region. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThis was first evident in the extensive consultation with other users of Te Urewera in order to define the different groups\u2019 expectations of, and values for, the area. Not surprisingly, all these groups shared a great deal in terms of the values of biodiversity, conservation, and access. These values are now reflected in the Te Urewera Bill. The Te Urewera Bill is a unique solution to a unique situation, and it is very New Zealand. I want to say in this third reading of the bill that there are from time to time extraordinary moments in Parliament. Today is one of those. They always rely on extraordinary leadership and, as the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations mentioned, on courage both by the Government but also by members of the wider community. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThis bill, which sees its final passage through the House today, represents an absolute determination by this Government and by the leadership of T\u016Bhoe to address the serious wrongdoings of the past by the Crown, but, more important, to move forward positively for both the Crown\u2019s and T\u016Bhoe\u2019s benefit. It is fitting that we pay tribute to the extraordinary leadership that people like T\u0101mati Kruger and Kirsti Luke, backed by their trustees, have shown in these negotiations. But I also want to pay tribute to the extraordinary leadership in this House by the Hon Chris Finlayson and by the Rt Hon John Key, who have led the political debate and shown the political courage to make sure that we reach this final reading here today and the passage of the bill. Yes, they were supported by Cabinet. Yes, they were supported in the select committee process by a cross-section of party members. Yes, in this House today we will have almost unanimity across the House. But someone had to start. The Hon Chris Finlayson, the Rt Hon John Key, T\u0101mati Kruger, and Kirsti Luke were determined. They were the people who made sure that we reached this place today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThe existing national park will be vested in a Te Urewera legal identity, a unique solution. This reflects T\u016Bhoe\u2019s view that Te Urewera has its own identity and has its own special values and interests. It recognises, as the bill states, that Te Urewera is also prized by all New Zealanders as a place of outstanding national value and intrinsic worth. T\u016Bhoe and Crown representatives will sit on the board, which will provide governance for Te Urewera in accordance with the Act, while maintaining access for all. The legislation recognises and provides for cultural values associated with Te Urewera and will include key principles relating to the protection of biodiversity, natural and historic heritage, public input into the management, and public access into the future. I am particularly excited by the commitment from both the Crown and T\u016Bhoe to work with the new board to seek Unesco biosphere status for Te Urewera. This would make it the first and only biosphere-designated area in New Zealand, and I can think of no more fitting spot. This would be a huge boon for the region, for residents, and for tourism. This is not expressly provided for in the legislation; instead, it is more evidence of the spirit of partnership and cooperation that this bill makes possible for the future. The benefits of such an approach for the Crown and T\u016Bhoe and the region have immense potential. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThese are significant bills for T\u016Bhoe. But they are significant bills for the Crown and they are significant bills for New Zealanders. It is with great pride as the member of Parliament for East Coast that I stand here today and commend these bills to the House. Kia ora t\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u002228bad94281dd4c828241ad9280769a4a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002228bad94281dd4c828241ad9280769a4a\u0022\u003EMEKA WHAITIRI (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E E te Kaiwhakahaere o te Whare t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Koutou hoki ng\u0101 mema P\u0101remata o te Whare nei t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. T\u0113nei au te mema P\u0101remata m\u014D Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti, he uri hoki o Kahungunu, o Rongowhakaata, e mihi nei, e tangi nei ki a koutou ng\u0101 uri o T\u016Bhoe P\u014Dtiki. Ko t\u0113nei te p\u0101nui whakamutunga o t\u0113nei pire, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. Greetings to you also, members of the House of Representatives. I am the member for Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti, kin as well of Kahungunu and Rongowhakaata, acknowledging and lamenting you here, the descendants of T\u016Bhoe P\u014Dtiki. This is the final reading of this bill, and I congratulate us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI rise with members of this House, as the proud member for Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti, to support the third and final readings of these two bills, the Te Urewera Bill and the T\u016Bhoe Claims Settlement Bill. Following on from Anne Tolley, the previous speaker, it is probably significant for this House in attempting to correct the historic wrong of what has occurred to the people of T\u016Bhoe, and today\u2019s passage of this legislation and what is contained in it will never replace what was taken from the people of T\u016Bhoe. So I stand in acknowledgment of what has occurred to you and the atrocities that you and your uri have faced through the actions of the Crown. The passing of these two bills is an acknowledgment of what has occurred but also it is an acknowledgment and a statement of the commitment to the future of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ELike my colleague Nanaia Mahuta has said, the development of T\u016Bhoe would definitely rest in your hands, so I stand and acknowledge those who have gone and those who are no longer with us. I acknowledge our kuia and kaum\u0101tua who have travelled here to join us in the House and the many uri who are listening at home and watching these third and final readings of your bills. In reflecting on this significant day today, it brings up many emotions. Some may be celebratory\u2014that is a good day\u2014some may be tinged with sadness, some may be just sheer relief, and some may be with hopes and aspirations that have not been quite rightly achieved. But like with all third readings of Treaty bills, there is always hope that tomorrow will bring a better day and that the future will bring a better light, particularly for our tamariki and mokopuna of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo I do want to add to those who have spoken previously in acknowledging Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, particularly T\u0101mati Kruger and Kirsti Luke, the trustees of your negotiating team, and I acknowledge the support of the kaum\u0101tua and people of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, who have supported your negotiations, your commitment, to bringing us to today\u2019s important period. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EMy contribution is really to highlight and uphold the institution of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. With legislation as significant as these two bills have been, as a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, I say that we were confronted with several contentious issues. I would like to take the time to reflect on what was presented to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and on how these contentious issues were dealt with. I was a proud member of the committee, which was ably chaired by the Hon Tau Henare. Issues around the Waikaremoana lake bed were presented to the select committee. The board found that the dissolution of the T\u016Bhoe-Waikaremoana M\u0101ori Trust Board and the vesting of its assets would be provided for under these bills: \u201CThe Board\u2019s charitable assets will be amalgamated with two other existing T\u016Bhoe entities to form a single charitable trust. Any other assets will be transferred to the T\u016Bhoe governance entity, Te Uru Taumatua. Among the Board\u2019s charitable assets are 72 percent of the shares in the bed of Lake Waikaremoana. These shares were vested in the Board by the Lake Waikaremoana Act 1971. The previous individual owners became beneficiaries of the Trust Board, and do not hold direct ownership rights in the lake-bed. The amalgamation of the three charitable entities was voted on as part of the ratification of the T\u016Bhoe deed of settlement. [The select committee] note that the resolutions to dissolve the Trust Board and amalgamate the charitable entities were supported by approximately 86 percent of voters. Lake Waikaremoana will not become part of Te Urewera, but remain separate, with a continuing obligation for the Crown, under the lease, to manage it in accordance with the National Parks Act 1980.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIn terms of the Wairoa Waikaremoana M\u0101ori Trust Board, the committee \u201Cconsidered whether this change to the lake-bed ownership would infringe the rights of the Wairoa Waikaremoana M\u0101ori Trust Board, which owns the remaining 28 percent of shares in the lake-bed. The board represents the Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu interests in Lake Waikaremoana.\u201D However, \u201C[the committee was] satisfied that the change in the ownership arrangement for the T\u016Bhoe shares of the lake-bed will not change the Wairoa Waikaremoana M\u0101ori Trust Board\u2019s ownership of its shares in the lake-bed. [The committee noted] that the new governance structure for Te Urewera does not extend to the bed of Lake Waikaremoana, which will remain private land. [The committee was] advised that this arrangement preserves the Crown\u2019s ability to provide redress to Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu groups with interests in the Lake Waikaremoana area, including Te Tira Whakaemi o Te Wairoa, in the future as part of their Treaty settlements. \u2026 part of that solution was to seek representation on the Te Urewera Board for the purposes of expressing their interests in the management of Te Urewera.\u201D And that clearly sits with Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe in terms of how they hope to take that forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EWe also had submissions from Ng\u0101ti Ruapani, which the committee received. That was their concern around the extent of the consultation, but clearly the committee felt that \u201Cthe bill also provides for national park land within the former Onepoto Military Reserve to become a conservation area. The land will not be transferred to the Te Urewera legal entity, so that redress in relation to the land can be considered in Ng\u0101ti Ruapani ki Waikaremoana\u2019s future Treaty settlement negotiations.\u201D So I am raising these issues because they were presented to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and the committee felt that they were ably addressed without impinging the passing of these two important bills. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ELike previous speakers mentioned, reflecting on the important and significant contribution Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe has made throughout the motu in terms of Te Reo made me think about my own connection, albeit small, with Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. I too was ably tutored by Pou T\u0113mara at my time at Victoria University. A former friend of our family, no longer with us, Roger Toki, who went to Te Aute College with my older brothers, was another friend of the family who got me to visit T\u016Bhoe. Of course, in previous contributions to the passing of this bill, I acknowledged the contribution of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe in the education of my two sons currently at Lindisfarne College, who would not have been able to attend that college without the Te Whaiti Scholarship. So I stand again to acknowledge Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe\u2019s contribution across the motu but particularly for me on a personal note through the enabling of the education of my two sons. So t\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIn closing, I too want to acknowledge the work of the Hon Chris Finlayson for the passage of this important bill, my colleague and whanaunga the Hon Tau Henare, and my M\u0101ori Affairs Committee members and the work that we have done to ensure that the passage of this bill has been completed. Of course, we would not get there without the officials, and I do want to acknowledge them. So, in closing, heoti r\u0101, ka whakakapi au i Te Reo M\u0101ori, ko t\u0113nei Te Wiki o Te Reo M\u0101ori n\u014D reira whakanuia t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo Rangatira. Ko T\u016Bhoe, he iwi kai\u0101rahi i Te Reo m\u014D t\u0101tou katoa, kia ora. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[And so, I conclude in M\u0101ori. This is the week of the M\u0101ori language, therefore we should celebrate our chiefly language. T\u016Bhoe are a people who have been leaders of Te Reo for us all. Thank you for that. So congratulations to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022 data-id=\u002280176d25f5de47c982fa58d0350bf212\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002280176d25f5de47c982fa58d0350bf212\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Deputy Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e te Whare. He mihi nui ki a Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe katoa. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou ng\u0101 rangatira, whaea, tu\u0101kana, ng\u0101 iwi katoa, tamariki, mokopuna, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. Greetings to you all in the House, and a huge shout-out to all of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. Acknowledgments to leaders, aunties, elder siblings, the entire tribe, children, and grandchildren, greetings.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI am humbly standing to take Metiria Turei\u2019s place because she was unable to be here today, and I feel considerably whakam\u0101. But as a P\u0101keh\u0101, it is a proud opportunity also to own the obligations of Te Tiriti o Waitangi and the necessity for us to own the history that we have benefited from and that Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe have had to fight to survive\u2014and you have. These two bills, the T\u016Bhoe Claims Settlement Bill and the Te Urewera Bill, are extraordinary achievements, and I want to acknowledge the people in the gallery who made it happen and the people back at home. \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe T\u0101mati me Te Kotahi \u0101 T\u016Bhoe [And to you T\u0101mati, and the confederation of T\u016Bhoe, thank you], and thank you to everyone involved. I would also like to acknowledge the Hon Christopher Finlayson and his office because this legislation could not have happened without both parties being prepared to be brave and creative, and to challenge the assumptions and prejudices of what a Te Tiriti settlement can actually contain. I would like to acknowledge the negotiation skills of T\u016Bhoe, the persistence, the radicalism, and the creativity that have always challenged our nation to do better than we have done. Today is a great day, and it is your day. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI would also like to mihi to Te Urewera. It was never a park. That was a label imposed in the 1950s based on an old behaviour pattern since colonisation, and it has melted in the mist like all the other attempts to colonise the heart of the motu and the \u201Cchildren of the mist\u201D. The history of T\u016Bhoe and the Crown is turning a corner today because the Crown has finally conceded that Te Urewera cannot be treated as a parcel of real estate. Te Urewera, the living entity and the inseparable connection with te mana motuhake o T\u016Bhoe, is being acknowledged in this legislation, finally. Thank goodness. Thank goodness there is no going back to the failed attempts to burn, to kill, and to destroy in the wake of Te Kooti seeking refuge in Te Urewera. Thank goodness we are not going back to the failed colonial assaults on Maungap\u014Dhatu and the dawn ninja nightmare that was visited upon Ru\u0101toki. We must never go back to those moments. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI personally look forward to paying visitor fees, hut fees, and any other fees to the tangata whenua and the governing body that will manage this area, because it is a debt of gratitude that we can visit their rohe and be embraced by their ngahere, the magnificent maunga, awa, roto, and trees, and the equally magnificent, undefeated nation. We owe you apologies and we owe you respect. When the tarseal runs out beyond Murupara, it is entering another world, and we the P\u0101keh\u0101 have always needed a passport, even if we did not realise it\u2014a passport of respect and recognition\u2014and I say bring it on. \u201CSorry\u201D is not all we can say today. It is the job of Te Tiriti - committed P\u0101keh\u0101 to say more than \u201Csorry\u201D, and we are here to say today that the Green Party fully supports your achievements and the achievement of the Crown. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EHowever, no Te Tiriti settlement alone will bring all New Zealand citizens into the light. It is going to take a real Crown investment to shift the P\u0101keh\u0101 understanding of T\u016Bhoe and Te Urewera. The ugly demonising of Tame Iti, the so-called terrorist, has been so reminiscent of the ugly demonising of Rua K\u0113nana in 1916. That is why the Greens do not accept the concept of full and final settlement when the full and final recognition and restitution has not and cannot be paid. When P\u0101keh\u0101 understand what full and final is, then I am with it. Until that day we need to continue the dialogue. \u201CWhen will the settlers settle?\u201D\u2014a wise man has put out that challenge to us. The responsibility remains on the Crown and the k\u0101wanatanga for this process that has been set up, and it is a great process. It is a permanent framework for powerful and often uncomfortable dialogue. That is what the Treaty process offers us. And we have to stop new breaches taking place\u201415 October 2007 is not forgotten. The children of Ru\u0101toki have the scars. And the poverty caused by colonisation that I see whenever I travel through the rohe needs to be healed and supported by a permanent commitment from this Parliament to real support as well as settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EThere have been other uncomfortable processes. I would like to acknowledge the leadership of Tau Henare in the select committee for a very, very fine job on these bills and also on the complexities around boundaries and borders that came to the select committee, which I think my colleague Meka Whaitiri has outlined extremely well. The k\u0101wanatanga processes do not deal effectively with what are tangata whenua boundary issues. We are not capable of that. However, I was really reassured to hear from the Minister that the Waitangi Tribunal is not going to marginalise the other iwi. As we have seen throughout the settlement process, where there are smaller groups or boundary groups marginalised, we can never settle. We need ongoing dialogue and we need a place where everybody can get up and make their claim. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI would like to acknowledge that there are great traditional ways of resolving boundary and border disputes, which can be undermined by Crown processes. It is really important that we look at the overall Treaty settlement process in this House and make sure that the concepts that the Crown has imposed on the process do not undermine, basically, tino rangatiratanga ng\u0101 iwi katoa o Aotearoa [the sovereignty of all people in New Zealand]. Having named all those things, it is my privilege to have attended the p\u014Dwhiri at Te Uru Taumatua and once again be in the presence of the dynamic and theatrical wero of T\u016Bhoe to the rest of us and to be moved to tears when Tainui came forward to acknowledge T\u016Bhoe for their support in the Waikato wars. That was a profound moment of learning. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EAlso I recognise in Te Uru Taumatua the synthesis of ancient and contemporary sustainability being celebrated in T\u0101neatua. It is a symbol of the future and of the settlement that the ancient and the modern can come together through T\u016Bhoe. That kaitiakitanga and rangatiratanga of T\u016Bhoe offers the whole nation\u2014and, indeed, the planet\u2014a new way of understanding how indigenous leadership will teach us how to heal our planet, which we have pushed to the brink of destruction. By acknowledging indigenous leadership and the inseparable connections of the whakapapa of people who take responsibility, whether we allow them to or not, we can learn and we can change and we can protect our planet. So the Green Party is very, very supportive. We really believe that the kaitiaki of Te Urewera will lead us to a better way, not only for this area but for the whole country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EIt says in the settlement that it is not a precedent around national parks, but it is a leader, and it is about acknowledging the p\u0101taka kai as well as the concept of preservation. Actually, p\u0101taka kai is a critical thing for all of us. Some of us just seem to have forgotten that, because our fridge is the supermarket. But other people whose fridge is the moana or the ngahere actually have something to teach us about sustainability. If we want to survive as a human species, we had better start listening. Kia ora, T\u016Bhoe. Awesome. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI also want to acknowledge the P\u0101keh\u0101 people who have educated some of us about this. The late Judith Binney made an extraordinary contribution. She was able to do that because of the relationships that she was able to form. Relationship is everything. Everything is about interconnection. That is what is strong about the negotiated ideas in the settlement\u2014the relationships that have been established between T\u016Bhoe and the Crown and the local communities. It is great that we have people from Whakat\u0101ne\u2014the mayor and others\u2014here today. It is time for P\u0101keh\u0101 to be there at the table but not to try to control the table. It is the T\u016Bhoe table and we are welcome to sit at it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003ESometimes we can shut up, but actually today is a day for P\u0101keh\u0101 to speak out and acknowledge the achievement and acknowledge our part of it. We have a role to play in educating our own. That is where Judith Binney with her wonderful books has led so many of us to a deeper understanding. I am not going to say she has led us to redemption yet, or even a decent song\u2014you try to get P\u0101keh\u0101s to work out what their song is! The collective P\u0101keh\u0101 identity is individualism, and it is a bit of a problem, which you know about all too well. But the opportunity in this settlement is for P\u0101keh\u0101 to understand more deeply the taonga that is Te Urewera under the kaitiakitanga and rangatiratanga of the people of the land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EPersonally, at the age of 17 I went to T\u016Bhoe and learnt that I was second nation. What a blessing! What a great learning, to stand down the river from Whakat\u0101ne and realise I was second nation as cowboys on horseback rode past yelling at me in the Reo, and I am this little P\u0101keh\u0101 girl who did not know what they were saying. What it taught me was that I had something to learn, and I will always be grateful to T\u016Bhoe. As for many of us, it has been the most powerful learning, because the Reo, the mana motuhake, and the radicalism have been outstanding, and they have really helped many of us to learn. So kia ora for that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f4112fc5-c53f-4aa9-bf6d-5a05ce6252cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022186e00e5f95f460a9c97976fd587f026\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s time has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227938862b9ed54886b42f7d9c906f5339\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY\u003C/span\u003E: OK. Kia ora koutou. Ng\u0101 mihi nui ki a koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u002252d5399a48c646b6b75d6d9b15e4dbbf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002252d5399a48c646b6b75d6d9b15e4dbbf\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister of Conservation):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora t\u0101tou katoa kua huihui mai. I acknowledge T\u0101mati Kruger, the trustees and people of T\u016Bhoe, and this landmark legislation arising from the Te Urewera-T\u016Bhoe Bill in the Treaty settlement process. I want to make a few comments about the settlement in the context of the history of Treaty settlements, some comments about the conservation significance of the Ureweras and the settlement, and a little bit about the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EIt is surprising for me, as a Minister of Conservation in the 1990s who was involved under the leadership of the Rt Hon Jim Bolger\u2014who is in the House\u2014in the huge debate that occurred around the provisions of the Ng\u0101i Tahu settlement in respect of conservation land, how far this country and this Parliament have come when we now get to this T\u016Bhoe settlement in respect of the treasured Te Urewera National Park. If you had told me 15 years ago that Parliament would almost unanimously be able to agree to this bill, I would have said \u201CYou\u2019re dreaming mate\u201D. It has been a real journey for New Zealand, iwi, and Parliament to get used to the idea that M\u0101ori are perfectly capable of conserving New Zealand treasures at least as well as P\u0101keh\u0101 and departments of State. I want to also acknowledge, in the history of that Treaty settlement process\u2014and I think, Minister Chris Finlayson, this is No. 34 that you have progressed through this Parliament\u2014and I would actually say to you that I think this has been one of the most difficult, because the history with T\u016Bhoe is actually one of the ugliest chapters in the settlement history of New Zealand. Even when we were elected to Government in 2008\u2014with the commitment of the Prime Minister and your energy, which I acknowledge, Chris, as Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations\u2014you would have been an optimist to think that we could get to this point with what I think is the most difficult of the Treaty breaches that this Parliament is having to deal with. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EI note that the 213,000 hectares of the Ureweras is one of the very special conservation areas of New Zealand. It is the largest national park in the North Island. I note that in the Treaty settlement process there is a desire to have world heritage recognition of that area, something that I would welcome. I note that this is an area that has over 70,000 visitors a year. It is an area where over 5,000 people a year do that very special great walk of the Waikaremoana Track and I acknowledge that. The part for me that is a bit ironic in the debate that has occurred around national parks is that there has been this view that P\u0101keh\u0101 treasure to a greater degree New Zealand\u2019s natural heritage, and that, in my view, is actually the opposite of what has been true if we are honest about the history of New Zealand. Many of the settlers that came from Europe wanted to recreate in New Zealand a sort of English landscape rather than actually recognise the natural treasures. Even as a Minister of Conservation of P\u0101keh\u0101 heritage, I note that there are literally thousands of species that exist only in New Zealand, whereas the United Kingdom, from which many of us descend, has only one unique species, a rather boring Scottish Crossbill. Then I look at just the Ureweras. Whether it be kiwi or k\u014Dkako, whether it be the k\u0101k\u0101, whether it be in terms of the huge beech and podocarp forests, it is truly a natural treasure. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EIn that discussion around whether iwi can be trusted with managing those treasures, I say absolutely, and I say that the new board will do, in my view, equally as good a job of managing that treasure as any department might. There is in the conservation movement a view that only the State, only the Government, can do conservation well. I am pleased that this Government has actually made some changes to the Department of Conservation for it to be more outward looking, for it to be involved not just in more partnerships with iwi but also with business and with communities, because if we are truly to look after what makes these precious islands special, then it is not just up to departments of State but it means partnering with community organisations, and I think the Te Urewera Bill, which we are passing today, actually sets up a new framework in which to manage New Zealand\u2019s treasures. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EI want to finally comment about the future, because I am an optimist. I reflect back on when Tau Henare was the Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs and I was the Minister of Conservation in the 1990s and the huge controversy over the visitor centre at Lake Waikaremoana and the tensions that existed over the very issue. I would like not just to acknowledge Tau\u2019s work as the chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee on this legislation but to say to Tau as a retiring member that I look forward to travelling to Lake Waikaremoana and opening a new visitor centre on a site that has been determined by T\u016Bhoe, with a design that has involved T\u016Bhoe, and in a place of which T\u016Bhoe and all New Zealanders can be proud. This is remarkable legislation, and a remarkable achievement. We must acknowledge the courage of all of those who have been involved in getting this to the third reading stage. I particularly want to say that it is actually T\u016Bhoe themselves who have had the most courage for having\u2014where trust had previously been breached\u2014the good faith to sit down with the Crown and find a way forward, and this legislation does just that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u0022e1d3db4ec47248dda82f2c865c9e35d5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e1d3db4ec47248dda82f2c865c9e35d5\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: I call the honourable member Tim Horan\u2014Brendan Horan. I am thinking of the rugby player again. T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Horan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022 data-id=\u00222ac2c1aa42124ec1b0416556cbbaded5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222ac2c1aa42124ec1b0416556cbbaded5\u0022\u003EBRENDAN HORAN (Independent):\u003C/span\u003E I only wish I could have played rugby that well. I take a very brief call to congratulate all of those involved with the T\u016Bhoe Claims Settlement Bill and the Te Urewera Bill on all the work that has gone into it. I would like to acknowledge the chair of our M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, Tau Henare, for his amazing work and also my colleagues on the select committee. But, most important, I acknowledge all of those who have carried the great task that it has been for T\u016Bhoe to reach this junction in our history. Over a hundred years of oppression, having land confiscated\u2014imagine what could have happened, what T\u016Bhoe could have done if that oppression had never taken place. Imagine where T\u016Bhoe would be today. The key now is for T\u016Bhoe leaders, parents, and wh\u0101nau to demonstrate attributes that the children of T\u016Bhoe will aspire to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002243684a4d-fb40-469a-8e63-cdd1e354b387\u0022\u003EI must mention Te Wharehou o T\u016Bhoe in T\u0101neatua, the living building, and the magnificence and the promise that that building represents to T\u016Bhoe and to the children of T\u016Bhoe. This is an opportunity for T\u016Bhoe to move ahead of mainstream New Zealand in teaching, in digital literacies, and in planned pathways for our children. I say \u201Cour children\u201D because my children are T\u016Bhoe. The opportunity is there and I look forward to the ensuing years to see the magnificent future that can evolve with deep-minded people with the correct intentions. So I salute T\u016Bhoe for the battle that has been fought, for the time that is yet to come, and I honour all of those people who have passed before us to get to this point where we are today. Thank you. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022 data-id=\u0022d794b812adf94f78953d5fe1e091c220\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d794b812adf94f78953d5fe1e091c220\u0022\u003EHon TAU HENARE (National):\u003C/span\u003E Anei taku mihi ki a koutou katoa e aku rangatira, e aku whanaunga, e aku tu\u0101kana me aku t\u0113ina, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E[Here is my acknowledgment to you all, my esteemed ones, relatives, and elder and younger siblings. Well done to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI actually think it is a very cool bringing together of events and timing to have T\u016Bhoe, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, and T\u0101maki settlements for my last two speeches in the House. I think that there is a sort of serendipitous ending to my\u2014some would call it a career; some would call it other things. That is the cross that most politicians bear. Some like you, some hate you, and then there is your family. Where to start? I will not talk about anything in the two bills, the T\u016Bhoe Claims Settlement Bill and the Te Urewera Bill, because I think that other people have done that in a fashion that is better than I could. But I do want to talk about T\u016Bhoe as I see them\u2014the nation of T\u016Bhoe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI was born and bred in \u014Ctara, which is not the wild bush scenes that people of T\u016Bhoe are accustomed to. No. 42 Harwood Crescent in \u014Ctara is my papak\u0101inga. I had the pleasure and the immense fun of going to Hillary College. In fact, Su\u2019a William Sio was in the same class as I was, albeit younger because I had to sit School Certificate twice. In my day, there were a lot of people from all over the country, and T\u016Bhoe to me were a mystical people. They were an iconic people, similar to, when we look overseas, the Sioux nation, and when we look over to South America, the Mayan people. T\u016Bhoe have always struck me as being the sort of mystical standout people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003ESometimes you know whom you are speaking to without actually knowing where this person is from. You can tell by the bravado and the volume of the person\u2019s voice when you are talking to a Ng\u0101puhi. It is quite loud. It is quite \u201Cwe are the best\u201D\u2014all that sort of thing. But when you talk to other people, there are different little things that you notice. I suppose that what I noticed as a kid\u2014and I am not a native speaker; I was never a native speaker, but we learnt from our teachers, Bill T\u0101whai and Tahi Tait\u2014was that there are little nuances about people. I could not get over the fact that these T\u016Bhoe guys could not talk M\u0101ori properly. I could not get over it. They seemed to be missing a couple of letters in the alphabet. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EPeople have their favourites. People have their favourite anything. They have their favourite rugby team, they have a favourite rugby league team\u2014Queensland and the Blues\u2014but my favourite iwi is T\u016Bhoe for their mystical being, for living by themselves, and for being isolated. And it is not through any of their doing. The isolation comes from outside. We have isolated them over so many years. We have never been willing to engage in a meaningful way. You know, one of the last stories that I was ever told in sixth form history was that the last military intervention in New Zealand, on itself, was in 1916 at Maungap\u014Dhatu. Here we are in 2014 talking about what happened less than 10 years ago, when there was another military intervention in T\u016Bhoe. On several occasions I have apologised for that myself\u2014not that I need to, but I am a member of the Crown. The whole Parliament, to me, is the Crown, not just this side of the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EA nation\u2019s past and a nation\u2019s present is a nation\u2019s future. It is as simple as that, but only if we accept what has happened in the past and what is happening now. I am not talking about a feeling of guilt. By accepting, warts and all, everything bad that has happened and everything that has happened that has been good\u2014it is about accepting that that happened. It is about teaching our young kids what happened. The trick, I suppose\u2014and it is not about guilt\u2014is to put all of that together and move on, because life moves on. Somebody died yesterday, but their whole wh\u0101nau have to move on. They do not forget about that person; they talk about that person. They have him or her up in lights, for ever and a day, so that that person\u2019s history, that person\u2019s ihi\u2014that flame\u2014never ever goes out. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI honestly worry about this country and its lack of education in things M\u0101ori. The only reason is not because M\u0101ori are not cool, because we are, but this: can you imagine a culture, a language, and a people snuffed out just like that, and they are extinct? When you think of the huia bird, the last one was actually killed on purpose so that they could put it in a museum. You have that happen, and you think what a wonderful life it would have been with that bird. The same goes for people\u2014the stories, the history, the way people look, the way people cook, the way people eat. This is a good thing that this nation does today. It does not say: \u201CYeah, I put my hand up. I\u2019m guilty for what happened last week.\u201D What this says is that we put our hand up and that we want to move on as a nation in a way that respects our cultural differences\u2014our tribal differences. I love it when other people come into the north. They all freak out and go \u201COh.\u201D Well, not really\u2014not too much these days. It is an indication of the nation, I suppose, moving into adulthood. We are less than 200 years old in this part of the country. In other parts of the country we are 1,000 years old. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003ECan I just mention the fight that I had with my colleague, the Hon Nick Smith. I was young. I was good looking. I had hair. And I was most probably 20 kilograms lighter. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EMy respect for Tame goes way back. I think his activism and his commitment is second to none in the country. There are a lot of people like him, but we never ever hear about them. I just want to say, bro, you have been one of the people whom I look up to. I do not even talk to you, but I do not have to. I do not have to get on the phone to you and say \u201CBro, am I doing right? Am I doing wrong?\u201D. You would most probably say I am doing wrong. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EWe have such a rich culture, heritage, and history in this country\u2014better than most countries in the world\u2014and what we do today puts the world on notice. You can do things without blowing each other up. I will say this right now\u2014I know the Assistant Speaker is going to stop me, but I will seek leave to have an extension of time\u2014if people in the Gaza Strip, in Israel, and all over the world were to look at what we are doing here today, it is a step in the right direction. Hoi an\u014D, taku mihimihi ki a koutou katoa, taku aroha ki a koutou katoa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E[And so, my thanks, compassion, and congratulations to all of you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u00228d5dc7b711884ad597699e2c7ba4dd9e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228d5dc7b711884ad597699e2c7ba4dd9e\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Deputy Leader\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave of the House for the Hon Nick Smith\u2019s and Brendan Horan\u2019s calls, which were both less than the full allocated time, to be recorded as one call, divided as to time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u0022f10c64112ccc4878a2312891ce325e61\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f10c64112ccc4878a2312891ce325e61\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is none. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u0022f96c40b2859c4d459ce1ec32cc4bd87d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f96c40b2859c4d459ce1ec32cc4bd87d\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Assistant Speaker. \u0100, k\u0101ti, t\u012Bhei-w\u0101 mauri ora ki te whai ao, ki te ao m\u0101rama. E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Haere mai nunui m\u0101, teitei m\u0101, nau mai, haere mai ki te Whare P\u0101remata e takat\u016B nei. N\u014D koutou t\u0113nei r\u0101, he r\u0101 whakahirahira t\u0113nei n\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou e ng\u0101 rangatira. Huri rauna i t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. And so, behold the breath of life to the emerging world and to the world of enlightenment. To the authorities and subtribes of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, acknowledgments to you collectively. Welcome the might of the large and lofty, welcome, welcome to the House of Parliament, waiting here in readiness. This day of magnificence is your day, and therefore congratulations to you, the esteemed. To you collectively and to us all throughout our House, congratulations, acknowledgments, and well done.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI am delighted to be speaking at the final reading of these two bills, the T\u016Bhoe Claims Settlement Bill and the Te Urewera Bill, on this historic day. Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe as an iwi never signed the founding document of our nation, the Treaty of Waitangi, yet T\u016Bhoe has certainly suffered most horrendously at the hands of the Crown. Their contribution to the post-colonial history of our country is immense. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ET\u016Bhoe supported the prophet hero Te Kooti in the Ringat\u016B religion. They fought in the land wars at Rangiriri and Pukehina and Te Ranga, events that have recently been commemorated. The unreasonable, unwarranted, and unjustified treatment meted out by the police to T\u016Bhoe in\u2014take your pick\u20141916 and repeated in 2007 are some of the darkest days of our country\u2019s history. Yet there is so much more that ordinary, everyday Kiwis do not know about this proud tribe known to us as the \u201Cchildren of the mist\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EIn the poetry of M\u0101ori oratory, we know the people of T\u016Bhoe to be the wasters of food, treasures, and men. By that we mean that such were their resources that they could afford to be generous with their food and in the gifting of their treasured taonga. When it came to warfare, it did not matter how many T\u016Bhoe were dispatched to beyond the veil, there were plenty more T\u016Bhoe prepared to step forward to take the place of those who had fallen. T\u016Bhoe, moumou kai, moumou taonga, moumou tangata ki te p\u014D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[Wasters of food, wasters of treasures, and wasters of people to the void.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EIt has taken decades to get to where T\u016Bhoe are today. They are an iwi who are well prepared for the future. Their new tribal headquarters at T\u0101neatua is proof of that preparedness. They have used their existing settlements around the fisheries and the like to obvious great effect, and they seem more than ready to receive the Crown\u2019s apology, which the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations will be delivering next month. They are more than prepared for the recompense for the historical wrongs and to receive that apology from the Crown. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI would like to acknowledge at this time those wh\u0101nau and hap\u016B who felt that the Treaty negotiations process did not fit their own truths, so some withdrew their support from this claims settlement bill. Can I say to them that their actions are not new. In every claims settlement bill that has ever been negotiated and settled there has never been a 100 percent acceptance by iwi. That stand is, in and of itself, a perfectly legitimate point of view to hold, and one that must be accepted by all the parties involved. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESettlement claims may be approved by a tribal majority, but they are never unanimous. Sometimes there is no way to move forward for those wh\u0101nau and hap\u016B who have deeply felt mamae and hurt, and sometimes those dissenters can be made to feel ostracised from the rest of their kin. But can I say to them that time is their ally and, hopefully, time will heal the wounds. The Treaty negotiations are invariably there as a legacy that all of their wh\u0101nau and hap\u016B can enjoy. Sometimes it is just not possible to pigeonhole every wh\u0101nau, every mamae, and every grievance into a settlement. The stories of Ng\u0101ti Haka Patuheuheu and their grievance of Te Houhi and Wai\u014Dhau Block is, sadly, one of these examples. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EConcerns were raised regarding the hap\u016B and iwi Te Upokorehe, and also certain situations surrounding ownership of Waikaremoana and neighbouring iwi like Ng\u0101ti Ruapani. Can I say to those whanau concerned that every member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee has taken into account every piece of information that has been provided to come up with the best possible outcome. My hope is that those hap\u016B and wh\u0101nau who have maybe withdrawn from the processes will at some stage re-enter the fold and enjoy the benefits that have been provided for all of the iwi. I am also reassured by the comments from the Minister that he will make provision for other interests. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EIt is my observation, much like my whanaunga Tau, that one can identify a T\u016Bhoe by the way they stand. There is something in their stance that suggests a tree\u2014maybe a kauri. There is something in the way they stand that suggests a permanence, that they are going nowhere too soon. Maybe that is part of their mystique that Tau referred to: the staunchness and pride with which they stick to their guns, their personality sometimes as attractable as their vast forest mother of Te Urewera. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EWho of us here and around the country will ever forget the day the Crown and the Waitangi Tribunal turned up at Tau\u0101rau Marae, having been transported there on horse and dray? The welcome of T\u016Bhoe in full regalia was a sight to behold, as were the burning wrecks that littered the roadside and mirrored T\u016Bhoe\u2019s sense of grievance over the scorched earth policies of the Crown in former times. The shooting of the flag by Tame Iti was the ultimate insult to those Crown representatives who bravely turned up that day. Hoi an\u014D e Te Mana Whakahaere o Te Whare Nui. Those days of protest evidenced in negotiations have passed. Today\u2019s third reading and subsequent period between now and when the apology will be given next month to T\u016Bhoe from the Minister will be one of full reflection and celebration. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EAnd so in finishing, I would like to acknowledge the other significant aspect to be enacted in this third reading of the Te Urewera Bill. To T\u016Bhoe their association with the forests, rivers, and mountains of Te Urewera defines who they are as a people. T\u016Bhoe are the children of the mist maiden, Hinep\u016Bkohurangi. Their home is the mist-covered hills, mountains, and valleys of Te Urewera. But the Crown could never acknowledge or grant outright ownership to T\u016Bhoe. Too much water has gone under our historical post-colonial bridge for the Government to cede Te Urewera totally. And so this Te Urewera Bill is a clear and innovative way to recognise T\u016Bhoe\u2019s link to Te Urewera for the whole of the country. Te Urewera will become its own entity in law as though it were a living and breathing thing and, of course, to the minds of T\u016Bhoe that is exactly what it is. So this legislation serves as a way for P\u0101keh\u0101 New Zealanders to better understand T\u016Bhoe\u2019s association with those forests, rivers, and mountains mentioned in the Treaty and the taonga that is Te Urewera. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EEarlier I mentioned the largesse and magnaminity of T\u016Bhoe in the gifting of their treasured belongings, maumau taonga. I can think of no other gesture that best represents those words than this Te Urewera Bill that will become an Act of Parliament. I commend the negotiating parties and the Minister and all those who have been involved in bringing these settlements to this point. I can only wish on behalf of all of the whanau of Te Wai Pounamu and Te Tai Tonga all the very best for the future to Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. N\u014D reira, t\u0113na koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u00226f389e7133bb45f9aa77b6ad3f41d24f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226f389e7133bb45f9aa77b6ad3f41d24f\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Greetings to T\u016Bhoe and the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua people, and welcome to Parliament. Also, on this historic day, it is a chance to acknowledge the grave wrong of history and attempt to put it right today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ELike all Treaty settlements, this legislation is important. Ultimately, all Treaty settlements rest on agreement. There is no tablet of stone, as we all know, and there is no higher authority out there that can be invoked to reveal some absolute truth. For any particular settlement, all the participants directly involved, and then the wider New Zealand public as well, must in the last resort consider a settlement to be fair and reasonable. The \u201Cfair and reasonable\u201D test has to be passed. That requires that the processes followed for the settlement be consistent and open and fair to all relevant parties. That is not an easy exercise, and we in New Zealand First fully acknowledge the complexity and care that is called for in working through detailed and longstanding Treaty claims. We do not underestimate the task. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EWithin New Zealand as a whole, although there is a broad political consensus, the Treaty settlement process does have its critics\u2014and, indeed, in M\u0101oridom as well. That is why ensuring an impeccable process is vital to ensuring ongoing public confidence. If the rights of any group with a legitimate interest in a settlement are ignored, overlooked, or discounted, then the stage is set for ongoing discord and controversy. That is the concern New Zealand First has with this T\u016Bhoe settlement. Specifically, there are remaining issues concerning other iwi, and these iwi are in the area that is covered by this settlement, but, seemingly, are not included. These iwi sought hearings with the Waitangi Tribunal on the impact of this settlement, but that was declined, and the T\u016Bhoe settlement moved inexorably on towards its conclusion. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EThese tribes and these iwi are based in the Eastern Bay of Plenty and at Lake Waikaremoana. They have not been inactive. They have sought to be heard by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. They sought to make submissions to the select committee stating that the bill in its current form should be returned and redrafted. They have sought to make protest and have themselves heard. Similarly, Ng\u0101ti Ruapani\u2019s primary concern is that they too will be made ghosts in their own land by a bigger collective, Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. They still maintain dialogue with Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe regarding their status as an iwi who have different interests in the ancestral claim to the lake itself. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ESo, despite the bland assurances from the Government that the Treaty process has not left anything out and that it is not making a mistake with this bill, it does appear that something is amiss. Something is not as it should be. Our authority for that is the finest M\u0101ori politician, and perhaps one of the finest politicians this country has ever had, and one of the most knowledgeable, as well. His name was, of course, Sir Apirana Ngata. Some of us remember him, and his impact, which is so enduring, and the messages that he has passed on down the generations and down the years and across the tribes. So he is still much admired. When he said in 1929 that these people were a legitimate, recognised iwi, or tribe, I take him to be the authority. I take that to mean that if someone raises it all these years later, he should not be\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a75c48281afb47c3a3a7835e81b70640\u0022\u003ECatherine Delahunty\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s Ngati Porou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217dfb3502c204092a70115ae6240bc1c\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, now the Green member has said that he is Ngati Porou. Well, we know that. But let me tell you, if you know anything about this man, you will know that he was esteemed from the Kait\u0101ia to Invercargill. That is what he was. He got a law degree in 2 years flat. He was a genius, and he was an expert in this area. And to say he is Ngati Porou and dismiss him like that\u2014with the greatest respect, madam, you do not know anything about these people. That is the point. And the effrontery of that\u2014here comes somebody with the white man\u2019s burden now telling somebody else who has been working in M\u0101ori affairs for a long time, and who went in 1991 and gave the land back to T\u016Bhoe, that he does not know what he is talking about. That is what we are not going to put up with\u2014this idea that you can impute into M\u0101oridom certain views and certain notions, which is not the M\u0101ori way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ENow, if Ngata said that in 1929\u2014and he documented it and it is in the history books\u2014then I think that even the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations himself, Mr Finlayson, could perhaps listen, rather than take on that hissy fit look that he has and discount M\u0101oridom in this part of the world as though it does not matter. You will not correct a wrong by creating another one, and I think these people are deserving of a voice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EWe believe that Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe has had the most raw deal\u2014we do not dispute that, at all. We think that they have been left out there for all these years, languishing in a most unfair way. But, we do not think that in correcting this wrong, we should create another one. To say, as the Minister will: \u201COh, these people have not had their rights in any way infringed.\u201D, is actually legal and historical nonsense, because if they are not recognised now, how difficult will it be for them in the future to be recognised? Just because they may be smaller in number\u2014the fundamental principle of the law is if they have right on their side, then that right should be acknowledged. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ESo, we seriously regret what has happened here, not because of the fate of T\u016Bhoe, and not because this is not most worthy legislation in nearly every respect, but because others have been pushed aside, left aside, and\u2014I might say this\u2014they have been pushed aside by a Minister who may be more interested in gaining some sort of historical personal legacy rather than in the fundamentally great principles of law, which he is meant to be so expert in. He is meant to be, in fact, perhaps the finest practitioner that he thinks the House has ever seen. I want to ask him why he would take that view when, in fact, to do right by the people and iwi whom Ngata recognised\u2014whom we in New Zealand First are speaking about\u2014is still the most moral and principled thing we could do. Of course, he could get up and say today that he has a settlement process for them about to be resolved with the same expedition. That might save him. But to get up and give us his assurance: \u201CWell, it won\u2019t happen on my watch.\u201D, as many M\u0101ori going down through generations will know, is an assurance not worth the air it passes on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First, therefore, says that this matter should have been corrected at the Committee of the whole House stage. We said so at the time. Again, that was ignored. The M\u0101ori Affairs Committee almost said: \u201CLook, we have heard the evidence, and we don\u2019t think that Ngata knows what he\u2019s talking about.\u201D Well, New Zealand First has the greatest admiration for Ngata, for P\u014Dmare, and for Buck, the finest M\u0101ori politicians who ever came here, and when they speak down the ages of history to us, we intend to listen. That is why we are taking the stance that we are taking today. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022 data-id=\u00224dc7d1a8734444eb86a16a2f442ead7a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224dc7d1a8734444eb86a16a2f442ead7a\u0022\u003EHon Dr PITA SHARPLES (Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E He kohu, he kohu, tau ana, tau ana, tau tapapa ana ki runga i a Maungap\u014Dhatu, \u0113 ko Hinep\u016Bkohurangi, ko T\u016Bhoe P\u014Dtiki nau mai, haere mai, nau mai. He h\u014Dnore t\u0113nei m\u0101ku ki te t\u016B i te r\u0101 nei i aku rua wiki whakamutunga m\u014Dku i Te Whare P\u0101remata, \u0101, ki te tautoko i t\u0113nei ker\u0113me, t\u0113nei kaupapa i te r\u0101 nei. N\u0101 te roa o te whawhai a Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe kia tae ki te rangi nei me te kaha o Te Minita Finlayson ki te whakaoti i t\u0113nei ker\u0113me, \u0101, me te hia k\u0113 o ng\u0101 w\u0101 e hui ana r\u0101tou i konei, i te rohe o T\u016Bhoe hoki kia oti ai te ker\u0113me nei. N\u0101 runga i t\u0113r\u0101, kei konei tonu ahau m\u014D t\u0113nei wiki, te wiki e t\u016B mai k\u0101tahi ka puta, ka hoki atu ki ng\u0101 mokopuna. N\u0101 reira, i t\u0113nei r\u0101 kei konei au. K\u0101ore au i te tautoko i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a Winitana i t\u0113nei r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EK\u0101ore au i te tautoko i t\u0113n\u0101 k\u014Drero. K\u0101ore t\u0113n\u0101 tangata e m\u014Dhio ana ki ng\u0101 hiahia o aua iwi n\u014D r\u0101tou ake. Kai te m\u014Dhio, kai te pai t\u0113n\u0101? K\u0101re i te m\u014Dhio kei te noho pai, noho tahi a \u016Apokorehe, a Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu, a Ng\u0101ti Ruapani, r\u0101tou i t\u0113r\u0101 rohe. Ahakoa ng\u0101 wehewehenga nei o ng\u0101 hapu, kei te noho wh\u0101nau r\u0101tou i roto i te ng\u0101here, i te tai, i te moana, \u0101, kai reira. N\u0101 reira, harikoa ahau kei konei ahau ki te tautoko i a koutou i te r\u0101 nei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EKo t\u0113tahi atu p\u0101tai, he aha te take, e Winitana, ka tatari koe m\u014D t\u0113nei r\u0101? K\u0101re koe i haere ki mua i Te Komiti Whiriwhiri M\u0101ori i t\u0113r\u0101 w\u0101 \u0113ngari ka tatari m\u014D t\u0113nei r\u0101 whakamutunga ka t\u016B, ka whakapuaki i \u014D whakaaro i t\u0113nei ata.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[A mist, a mist alights and settles and the Mist Maiden lands face down on Maungap\u014Dhatu and lo it is T\u016Bhoe P\u014Dtiki indeed, welcome, welcome, welcome. It is an honour for me to stand here this day during my last two weeks in Parliament to support this claim, this matter today. Because of the length of time T\u016Bhoe has fought to arrive at this day and the intense effort by Minister Finlayson to complete this claim, as well as the several meetings here and in the territory of T\u016Bhoe to conclude this claim, I am still here for this and next week, then I exit to return to my grandchildren. So I am still here today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EI do not support the sentiments expressed by Winston today. I do not accept that discourse. That member does not really understand the needs of those people that own it. Does he know whether that is good? He is unaware that \u016Apokorehe, Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu and Ng\u0101ti Ruapani are well off and live as one in that region. Despite the differences that these subtribes have, they live as a family in the bush at the seaside and lake, and furthermore they are there in that region. So I am glad to be here to advocate for you collectively today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EWinston, I have a question. Why did you wait until today? You did not go before the select committee at that time but waited until this final day to rise and air your views this morning.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d2337396038b4e4893b06c28695a08d9\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Now that\u2019s not true. Go and read the Hansard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ade57bd7b31a4628be5c70688982360c\u0022\u003EHon Dr PITA SHARPLES\u003C/span\u003E: Kai te k\u014Drero. K\u0101re koe e puta atu ki mua i a r\u0101tou. T\u0113hea te rangi i tae koe ki mua o te komiti? T\u0113hea te rangi? [I am speaking. You did not appear before them. Which day did you go before the committee? Which day?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f67c08f798c44cab124061e91616a26\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Don\u2019t use the M\u0101ori language not to tell the truth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022188f3bf27dbe45628079886f1297d06a\u0022\u003EHon Dr PITA SHARPLES\u003C/span\u003E: You see, Winston\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229bff55a4f7f945b0899736dc04afff69\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Honourable members, it is not permitted for members who do not have the floor to interject on each other. If you want to interject on Dr Sharples, that is different because he has the floor. But to interject on each other is not permitted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef4e8b1c577645afaae6c2cfc7846929\u0022\u003EHon Dr PITA SHARPLES\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. I do not like being accused of using the M\u0101ori language because he does not understand it. That is not the case at all. Hoki ki te kura. [Go back to school.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EI am deeply honoured to welcome to this House the sons and daughters of Maungap\u014Dhatu, the children of Hinep\u016Bkohurangi and the descendants of T\u016Bhoe-P\u014Dtiki. I am honoured because this landmark legislation concludes its passage in the final weeks of my office as Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs. What a privilege to be part of such a historic process. I want to say this part for the benefit of the House because I want it recorded in Hansard, in the volumes of this establishment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EFor the past 26 years, since lodging the first of a long series of Treaty claims, T\u016Bhoe have resolutely retraced their steps back to a time 118 years ago, and this is the irony of today. Back then T\u016Bhoe had within its grasp what no other iwi had been able to obtain under colonial rule: recognition of its right to govern itself and to forge its own destiny. The Urewera District Native Reserve Act 1896 was the culmination of more than 20 years of negotiations between the Crown and Te Whitu Tekau. It enshrined T\u016Bhoe traditional land as a 2,650 square kilometre reserve, within which title would be determined by a T\u016Bhoe-controlled commission. More important, the Act allowed for internal self-government based on T\u016Bhoe customs and protocol. The Urewera reserve was the only autonomous tribal district ever provided for in New Zealand law. But it was too good to last. In utter disregard for its own policies, the Government began buying up the very land it was supposed to be protecting. The bold new Act was sidelined, undermined, and eventually repealed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EToday a new dawn has come. It has taken until now to reach the point T\u016Bhoe were at in 1896. Raupatu robbed T\u016Bhoe twice over and made them landlocked and impoverished. I am reading this stuff because I want it recorded. Confiscation of the tribe\u2019s best land was, in the view of many, a form of looting intended to take the wealth and break the autonomy of T\u016Bhoe. Even when the mistake was realised that the wrong tribe had been punished for rebellion, the land was never returned, only to result in what some describe as compounding the evil. Historical accounts describe the famines that killed nearly a quarter of the population of Te Urewera in the late 1890s\u2014the legacy of confiscation and military rampages. The devastating revelations, captured in four volumes of evidence by the Waitangi Tribunal, is an illusion-shattering experience, t\u0101tou m\u0101. More than a catalogue of unjust acts by successive Governments, the evidence reviews a calculated intent to destroy T\u016Bhoe\u2014punishment of the most crippling and permanent kind. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EAfter confiscation came invasion. In joining Te Kooti, T\u016Bhoe earned the full wrath of the colonial Government. No part of their homeland was left unscathed\u2014no part. Nonchalant inhumanity was standard fare. Scorched earth tactics, the execution of unarmed prisoners, and the killing of non-combatants was, as some described, almost a sport. The commander of the Government forces at the time, Colonel George Whitmore, put it plainly when he remarked: \u201CWell, now I am going to punish them. They must be exterminated.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe threat of starvation hung over T\u016Bhoe for much of the early 20th century. It too was a brutal weapon in the Government\u2019s arsenal that was used without hesitation. Whitmore again wrote that when his men were off duty, they roamed the country foraging, destroying crops, and burning k\u0101inga. At Lake Waikaremoana the officer in charge of the expeditionary force gloated that his men had destroyed a quantity of potatoes that would have fed 1,000 men for 15 months. It is in the records. Whitmore and his troops were praised for their conspicuous courage. Only now, a century and a half later, does their conspicuous brutality come to light. I want these things recorded. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EA new dawn has arrived. This is a settlement to be celebrated: firstly, for the Crown\u2019s willingness to negotiate the unique environment of Te Urewera; secondly for the Crown\u2019s readiness to address the formerly politically unpalatable concept of mana motuhake. No other iwi has made mana motuhake a non-negotiable component of its Treaty claim. This settlement is an acknowledgment that Te Urewera has its own identity and its own integrity and cannot be anyone\u2019s possession. I quote lead negotiator T\u0101mati Kruger, who said\u2014and I quote you, T\u0101mati\u2014\u201CMy feeling is that the land was here first, so nobody owns it. If anything, it owns you. The water owns the water, the land owns the land. So our proposition to the Government has been, \u2018let us agree that Te Urewera owns itself\u2019.\u201D This is how the Crown\u2019s settlement with T\u016Bhoe has turned out. Te Urewera\u2019s national park status is to be revoked and the land vested as an independent legal entity under its own Act of Parliament. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe settlement is a profound alternative to the human presumption of sovereignty over the natural world. It restores to T\u016Bhoe their role as kaitiaki and it embodies their hopes of self-determination\u2014T\u016Bhoe autonomy for the 21st century, T\u016Bhoe services for T\u016Bhoe, benefit on T\u016Bhoe terms, and T\u016Bhoe living by T\u016Bhoe traditions and T\u016Bhoe aspirations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003ET\u016Bhoe has always approached resolution with the Crown in a principled and determined manner. Through this settlement, the Crown has been given a second chance to work with T\u016Bhoe in an honourable way. I would like to acknowledge Minister Finlayson, t\u014Dna kaha ki te whai i t\u0113nei kaupapa ahakoa te roa o te whawhai. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EE T\u0101mati, ki t\u014D t\u012Bma, t\u0113nei au e mihi atu ki a koe. Ia marama, ia marama puta mai koe ki te k\u014Drero ki a m\u0101tou, \u0101, i konei m\u0101tou. \u0100, T\u016Bhoe, kei te tautoko au i a koutou \u0113ngari, tae ki te Matatini \u0101 t\u0113r\u0101 tau, k\u0101re au i te tautoko. Hoi an\u014D, he mihi atu t\u0113nei t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kei raro. [and his perseverance to pursue this matter despite the length of the battle to achieve it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003ETo you and your team, T\u0101mati, I congratulate you. Month after month you appeared and engaged with us, and we were here. I support you collectively, T\u016Bhoe, but come the Matatini next year you won\u2019t have my support. So I congratulate and thank you collectively and sit down.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u00223245933b691f421db9b7f2245a60fb83\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223245933b691f421db9b7f2245a60fb83\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to table two documents in rebuttal of the claim that New Zealand First has never mentioned this matter before. One is a letter dated 31 May 2013, which was written to the Minister in charge of this legislation, Chris Finlayson, about the boundaries that were being encompassed. The other one, of course, is the Hansard of 7 May of the second reading. That rebuts that nonsense.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022 data-id=\u0022c83d49be852c4daabab38223bf9be4a9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c83d49be852c4daabab38223bf9be4a9\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the House is the master of its own destiny. The member can seek leave for the first document. Is there any objection to that course of action? There is. Just before I call the next member, I wish to advise the House that this is a split call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u0022bdc16ea547184cdab81fee9b8a15f172\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bdc16ea547184cdab81fee9b8a15f172\u0022\u003EKELVIN DAVIS (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koutou Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou n\u014D Te Manawa-o-Te Ika-a-M\u0101ui, n\u0101 koutou i takahia mai i te tuar\u0101 o Te Ika-a-M\u0101ui kia tat\u016B ki konei ki Te Upoko-o-Te Ika-a-M\u0101ui, ki te whakarongo ai ki te p\u0101nuitanga mutunga o t\u0113nei pire. T\u0113nei te mihi n\u014D t\u0113tahi n\u014D Te Hiku-o-Te Ika-a-M\u0101ui. N\u0101 reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. E Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe kei te mohio t\u0101tou, k\u012Bhai koutou i haina i Te Tiriti o Waitangi, kei a koutou an\u014D \u014D koutou tino rangatiratanga i aua rangi. Kei te m\u014Dhio hoki t\u0101tou i te noho rangim\u0101rie ai koutou \u0113ngari i tae ng\u0101 h\u014Dia me ng\u0101 pirihimana o Te Karauna ki waenganui i a koutou ki te raupatu i \u014D koutou whenua. I takahia e r\u0101tou \u014D koutou m\u0101ra kai, i k\u0101purangia \u014D koutou k\u0101inga ka noho whenua kore koutou. Kei te m\u014Dhio hoki m\u0101tou i te whakahokitanga o \u014D koutou whenua, i whakahokia ki iwi k\u0113. Kei te mahara ahau i w\u0113na k\u014Drero o \u014D t\u0101tou t\u016Bpuna, \u201Criro whenua atu, hoki henua mai\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EM\u014Dhio ana t\u0101tou, i te tau kotahi mano, waru rau, ono tekau ma rima, i te rapu ng\u0101 hoia, ng\u0101 pirihimana o Te Karauna i ng\u0101 kaik\u014Dhuru o taua tangata, a Fulloon. I haere mai ng\u0101 hoia kua k\u0101purangia te whenua. Kei te m\u014Dhio t\u0101tou, ka titiro m\u0101takitaki t\u0101tou i ng\u0101 p\u016Brongo k\u014Drero kei runga i te pouaka whakaata i ng\u0101 p\u014D, ka kite m\u0101tou i aua t\u016Bmomo mahi kei t\u0101wahi e pakanga ana ki ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata. E koropup\u016B ake te pukuriri me te aroha m\u014D r\u0101tou \u0113ngari, kei te wareware te whenua o Aotearoa kua meatia ai ki a koutou aua t\u016Bmomo mahi ki roto o Aotearoa ki runga i \u014D koutou whenua. Kei te m\u014Dhio t\u0101tou i whakat\u016Bria ai e koutou a Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe t\u014D koutou ake r\u016Bnanga rangatira, ar\u0101, ko te Whitu Tekau \u0113ngari, i whakak\u0101horengia e Te Karauna r\u0101tou. Kei te m\u014Dhio hoki t\u0101tou katoa i haere atu Te Karauna ki a koutou, i mea atu ai ki te kore koutou e hokona atu i te roto o Waikaremoana, ka raupatungia. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EKua rongo hoki m\u0101tou i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a Te Minita i te tau kotahi mano waru rau iwa tekau m\u0101 ono, i whakamanahia e t\u0113nei Whare Te Urewera District Native Reserve Act. I whakamanahia e taua ture t\u014D koutou tino rangatiratanga kei runga ake i \u014D koutou whenua i runga i ng\u0101 tikanga o ng\u0101i M\u0101ori m\u0101 \u0113ngari, kua rongo Te Whare i te r\u0101 nei i whakak\u0101horengia, \u0101, i aro korengia e Te Karauna taua ture. I te tau kotahi mano iwa rau tekau m\u0101 ono, ka mauheretia a Rua K\u0101nana. I haere atu ng\u0101 h\u014Dia, ng\u0101 pirihimana ki te whiu atu i a ia ki roto i te whareherehere i runga i ng\u0101 whakapae parau \u0113ngari, tokorua o \u014D koutou tupuna ka mate i taua w\u0101. I te tau kotahi mano iwa rau rima tekau m\u0101 wh\u0101, i whakat\u016B ai Te Urewera National Park. K\u012Bhai Te Karauna i haere ki a koutou hei mea atu, hei p\u0101tai, he aha \u014D koutou whakaaro, kei te whakaae r\u0101nei koutou. Kei te m\u014Dhio hoki t\u0101tou, tekau m\u0101 rima paih\u0113neti noa iho a Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe e noho ana kei runga i \u014D koutou whenua. Noho \u0101hua p\u014Dhara ana w\u0113tahi n\u0101 ng\u0101 mahi t\u016Bkino a Te Karauna i a koutou. N\u0101 reira, t\u0113nei ahau e t\u016B ana ki te tautoko i t\u0113nei pire. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI whakar\u0101rangitia mai ng\u0101 t\u016Bkinotanga ki a koutou, \u0101, e whakap\u0101ha ana hoki m\u014D aua t\u016Bkinotanga. E tika ana ng\u0101 k\u014Drero roto i t\u0113nei pire. Me anga atu t\u0101tou ki ng\u0101 mahi o neher\u0101, kaua e warewaretia e t\u0101tou \u0113ngari, me whakat\u016B tatau pounamu kia titiro whakamua ai t\u0101tou. N\u0101 reira, e Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe he t\u012Bmatanga hou t\u0113nei m\u0101 koutou. Kei te tautokongia e m\u0101tou ng\u0101 mahi a ng\u0101 kupu kei roto i t\u0113nei pire. Kei te mihi ahau ki \u014D koutou kaik\u014Drero me Te Minita hoki. N\u0101 koutou katoa i k\u014Dkiringia t\u0113nei pire ki Te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E[Greetings, Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, from heartland North Island. You travelled the back of M\u0101ui\u2019s fish so that you could reach Wellington here, the head of the fish, to listen to this final reading of the bill. As one from the tail of the fish, from the Far North, I acknowledge you, so salutations to you collectively. Kindly note, Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, that we are aware that you did not sign the Treaty of Waitangi and you had your very own sovereignty in those days. We know also that you were living peacefully, but soldiers and policemen of the Crown reached there and got amongst you to confiscate your lands, trampled all over your gardens, burnt down your homes and left you landless. We know too that when your lands were returned they went to some other tribe instead. I recollect those tales of our ancestors, \u201Cland taken must be returned in kind\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EWe know that in 1865 Crown soldiers and Crown police pursued the murderers of that man, James Francis Fulloon. Soldiers came and burnt the land. We are well aware that when we watch documentary programmes on television in the evenings, we see those kinds of hostilities being taken against people overseas. Anger and compassion well up within me for them, but New Zealand as a country overlooks the fact that those sorts of hostilities happened here in New Zealand on your lands and against you. We know that you, Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, established your very own council of leaders called the Seventy, which was dissolved by the Crown. We all know too that the Crown visited you and said that if you did not sell Lake Waikaremoana to them, it would be confiscated. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EWe have heard the Minister\u2019s comments that in 1896 this House gave effect to the Te Urewera District Native Reserve Act. That Act gave effect to your sovereignty over your lands according to M\u0101ori custom. None the less, the House heard that the Crown abolished and ignored that Act. In 1906 Rua K\u0113nana was imprisoned. Lawyers and policemen went to arrest Rua K\u0113nana on false charges, but two of your ancestors died at that stage. In 1954 the Te Urewera National Park was established. The Crown did not come to consult with you, to ask you questions or seek your thoughts or whether you agreed. We know as well that only 15 percent of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe\u2019s population live on your lands. Some of you became somewhat poor because of ill-treatment of you by the Crown, and so I endorse this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI apologise also for those atrocities against you which are listed. The comments in the bill about them are correct. We must address and not forget them and make enduring peace so that we look ahead to the future. This, then, Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, is a new beginning for you. We support the intentions expressed in this bill. I acknowledge your speakers and the Minister as well along with those of you who advanced this bill to the House. Well done.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022 data-id=\u0022e76e344a7c374984a4b6a94b2e4c76c6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e76e344a7c374984a4b6a94b2e4c76c6\u0022\u003EMOANA MACKEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Ng\u0101 mihi nui ki a koutou. Can I acknowledge our distinguished visitors here\u2014T\u0101mati Kruger, Kirsti Luke and the negotiating team, the people of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe here today and at home, and the Hon Chis Finlayson. Every Treaty settlement is a privilege, but what an incredible honour to have your name attached to this particular Treaty settlement. Congratulations on all the work you have done with Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, te Whakat\u0101ne mayor Tony Bonne. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EThis is a very special day, acknowledging the brutal history of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe and the beginning of the journey of reconciliation with the Crown. In 2010 I made the beautiful journey to Maungap\u014Dhatu for the first time. Maungap\u014Dhatu is truly a sacred and spiritual place, and as a manuhiri I felt very privileged to be welcomed on to the marae there. You feel the presence of Hinep\u016Bkohurangi, the personification of mist and fog, and her younger sister Hinewai, the personification of light, misty rain. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EIt was Hinep\u016Bkohurangi who enticed the sacred maunga down to earth. In this respect T\u016Bhoe are truly descended from the environment, from the dense bush and rugged ranges of Te Urewera and the ever-present misty clouds that shroud them. There is no question that you will protect the taonga of Te Urewera, and I want to acknowledge the words of the Hon Dr Nick Smith, the Minister of Conservation, who said he believes that Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe will be as good as the Crown or P\u0101keh\u0101 in protecting Te Urewera. I will suggest they will prove to be better. I made the journey to Maungap\u014Dhatu for the launch of a book called Best of Both Worlds: The Story of Elsdon Best and Tutakangahau by Jeffrey Paparoa Holman, celebrating the relationship between T\u016Btakangahau and my great-grand-uncle, Elsdon Best. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EIn 1892 Government survey teams met opposition from T\u016Bhoe when attempting to survey a road through the Urewera district without T\u016Bhoe consent. The Department of Lands and Surveys sent my great-grand-uncle Elsdon Best to Urewera as a mediator. T\u016Bhoe had been in contact with P\u0101keh\u0101 society for more than 50 years. However, it was seen at that time by Government as the last opportunity to gather information about pre-European M\u0101ori society, due to the isolation of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. Elsdon Best joined the roadmaking team in 1895 and formed a close relationship with T\u016Btakangahau and Paitini Wi T\u0101peka of Maungap\u014Dhatu. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EThrough these relationships he was drawn into continuing conflicts over the future of T\u016Bhoe lands and was eventually accused by the Government officials of deliberately stirring up trouble for the Government in the rohe of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. On that basis he threatened to leave the position, and at that time he was appointed secretary of the Urewera Commission. In this new position Elsdon Best was able to record T\u016Bhoe history and genealogy as it was debated before him. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EI feel truly honoured when I travel around some of the marae in the rohe of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe and during my doorknocking in T\u0101neatua and Ru\u0101toki to see photographs of my great-grand-uncle Elsdon Best on the walls of the wharenui and people\u2019s homes, and of my grandfather Elsdon Craig, who wrote the biography of Elsdon Best, Man of the Mist. So, very personally, I feel that this is a special day for this House. I feel extremely honoured to participate in this debate today. The brutal history of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe has been well spelt out by many of my colleagues. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003ECan I also acknowledge that there is much more work for the Crown to do in the rohe of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, beyond this settlement. We have some of the worst housing in the country, people living in extreme poverty, and there is much in that area that needs to be remedied by the Crown. In that respect can I also acknowledge the late Terry Firkin and the work that he did in housing and in training young apprentices in the T\u016Bhoe rohe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270dd644d-8bcf-40dc-998a-887d62d24a76\u0022\u003EThis is a very, very special day for this House. It is a day that I think many thought would be a long time off and very distant into the future. Can I again congratulate the Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs and the Minister for Treaty settlements on bringing the T\u016Bhoe Claims Settlement Bill and the Te Urewera Bill to the House. I certainly feel very humbled and privileged to be able to participate in this debate today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022 data-id=\u0022f79da8bfd2da4051adf564fe9743494c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f79da8bfd2da4051adf564fe9743494c\u0022\u003ETE URUROA FLAVELL (Co-Leader\u2014M\u0101ori Party):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr. Speaker, kia ora t\u0101tau katoa. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou i hara mai i te k\u0101inga kia tat\u016B mai ai ki runga i te aroaro o Te Whare P\u0101remata. E k\u012B ana te k\u014Drero, \u201Ckiri kawa ki te kupu, kiri kawa ki te riri, kiri kawa ki te r\u0101kau\u201D, Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, ko koutou t\u0113r\u0101 t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, haere mai. \u0100, te \u0101huatanga \u014D w\u0101 t\u0101tau mate, i a au e t\u016B nei ki mua i a koutou ka hoki ng\u0101 mahara ki te hunga kua ngaro atu ki te tirohanga kanohi, ar\u0101 noa atu r\u0101tau. \u0112ngari i t\u0113nei rangi, ka hoki ng\u0101 mahara ki a Rangipuke. Ko ia te tangata i hara mai ki konei, i haere ki ng\u0101 huihuinga katoa ar\u0101 noa atu, \u0101, me te hunga k\u0101ore i konei kia kite mai ai te \u0101huatanga o t\u0113nei rangi. N\u014D reira, heria mai ng\u0101 mate ki konei kia tangihia e t\u0101tau i te r\u0101 nei. Waiho r\u0101tou kia moe. Anei koutou kua tae mai i te r\u0101 nei ki te whakanui i t\u0113nei rangi, nanakia nei. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora t\u0101tau katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EK\u0101ti, \u0113, ka mihi r\u0101 ki te \u0101huatanga o te whakarite. E hoa, he pai t\u0113r\u0101 kia whakatau i te wairua. Ahakoa ng\u0101 k\u014Drero ka puta i \u0113tahi, kua tau te wairua. \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 ka mihi r\u0101 ki Te Minita i te mea, kai te m\u014Dhio tonu ahau he ara t\u0101pokopoko i wh\u0101ia e koutou, e ia. Ar\u0101 noa \u0113tahi ka k\u012B atu, e kore, kore, kore rawa a Tuhoe e kite i te taitara o Te Urewera ki a r\u0101tau. An\u0101, \u0101 k\u014D ake nei kua whakatikahia t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero. Ara noa te hunga i k\u012B atu, e kore a Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe e whakatutuki ko t\u0101na i p\u012Brangi nei, \u0101 k\u014D ake nei ka kite mai ai te pu\u0101waitanga o t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero, o te whakatika i t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero. E T\u0101mati, he aha he k\u014Drero i tua atu o te mihi an\u014D r\u0101, e tautoko i ng\u0101 mihi ki a koe, ki a k\u014Drua ko Kirsty, t\u0113n\u0101 k\u014Drua i kaha nei ki te \u0101ki i Te Karauna, me te P\u0101keh\u0101 r\u0101 a John Wood, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ko koe t\u0113r\u0101 e noho \u0101-takawaenga nei i Te K\u0101wanatanga me Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. K\u0101tahi te tangata ko koe, otir\u0101, ki ng\u0101 ringaringa \u0101whina o Te K\u0101wanatanga kia tutuki pai t\u0113nei kaupapa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EMe mihi r\u0101 ki a koutou ka tika. E hoa m\u0101, i a au e t\u016B nei, ka hoki ng\u0101 mahara ki ng\u0101 hui e hia k\u0113 nei. \u0100, i ng\u0101 r\u0101 kua hipa ake i k\u014Drero au m\u014D te \u0101huatanga o te ekenga o Te Taraipiunara o Waitangi ki runga i te wh\u0101rua o R\u016B\u0101toki. I tae atu me taku p\u0113pi, toru tau, wh\u0101 tau pea t\u014Dna pakeke. Te taenga atu ki R\u016B\u0101toki ki te wh\u0101rua ka kite atu i ng\u0101 waka, te auahi, \u0101, me te whakaaro ake, he aha te mahi a ng\u0101 M\u0101ori nei? Kite atu i ng\u0101 h\u014Diho, ng\u0101 mea e eke h\u014Diho, i kite atu i a koutou e whakatika ana m\u014D te ekenga o Te Taraipiunara o Waitangi ki runga i a koutou. E kore au e wareware ki t\u0113r\u0101 \u0101huatanga. \u0112hara i te mea e noho atu au ki reira m\u014D te roanga ake o te r\u0101 \u0113ngari, i reira au i te p\u014Dhiri ki Te Taraipiunara i te manemanerau. \u0100, whai muri ka haere atu r\u0101 ki roto ki Te Rewarewa, \u0101, he p\u014Dhiri i tua atu, \u0101, te mutunga mai ka tae atu ki Tau\u0101rai. Ka mutu, kai te m\u014Dhio te motu i ahatia i t\u0113r\u0101 rangi. Ko t\u0113tahi M\u0101ori nei, in\u0101 pea te t\u0101roa o te M\u0101ori nei me tana p\u016B, an\u0101, i p\u0113r\u0101 ia ki te haki o Te K\u0101wanatanga. N\u014D reira, ka hoki ng\u0101 mahara ki \u0113r\u0101 \u0101huatanga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EKa hoki ng\u0101 mahara ki te w\u0101 i haere atu a John Key i mua o te w\u0101 i noho ia hei Pirimia, m\u0101tau ko te M\u0101ori o Te Nota nei, ka mutu ko Georgina Te Heuheu, i mua o te w\u0101 i tae mai au ki Te Whare P\u0101remata, i haere atu m\u0101tau ki te h\u014Dhonutanga o Te Urewera, \u0101, ki \u014Cwhakatoro, \u0101, ki t\u0113r\u0101 hui i t\u016B ki reira. Ka hoki ng\u0101 mahara ki te k\u014Drero a Tame, me tana k\u012B atu ki te John Key mua o te w\u0101 i t\u016B ia hei Pirimia. E rua ng\u0101 p\u0101tai. Tuatahi: John Key, ka whakahoki koe i Te Urewera ki a Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe? Ka rua, p\u0113hea \u014D whakaaro m\u014D te mana motuhake o Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe? Poto noa iho te k\u014Drero a Te Pirimia m\u014D te whakahoki o Te Urewera, ummm, \u0101e pea. Ka mutu, e p\u0101 ana ki te k\u014Drero m\u014D te mana motuhake, \u0113, k\u0101re m\u0101tau Te K\u0101wanatanga e whakaae atu ki t\u0113r\u0101 momo \u0101huatanga. He mataku n\u014Dna pea m\u014D te \u0101huatanga o ng\u0101 haki? Pea! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u0112ngari, \u0101, n\u0101 wai, n\u0101 wai, ka rere te k\u014Drero me te k\u012B a \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 kaik\u014Drero i t\u0113r\u0101 hui, ko t\u0101 Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe e p\u012Brangi nei, kia waiho ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga o Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe ki a Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe \u0101-m\u0101tauranga mai, \u0101-hauora mai. Ko m\u0101tou kei te m\u014Dhio ki a m\u0101tou an\u014D. Waiho m\u0101 m\u0101tou an\u014D m\u0101tou e whakatika \u0101-hauora, \u0101-m\u0101tauranga. Ka pai, ka k\u012B atu Te Pirimia, ka pai t\u0113r\u0101! Ka pai hoki! K\u0101ore ia i kite i te \u0101huatanga o te hononga o te mana motuhake ki t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero i k\u014Drerohia e Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. Ka hoki ng\u0101 mahara ki t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 hui. Ka hoki ng\u0101 mahara ki t\u014D m\u0101ua ekenga ko Te Minita ki te papak\u0101inga o Ng\u0101ti K\u014Dura i te w\u0101 i puta i konei, ka haere atu ki te whakam\u0101rama ki ng\u0101 mea o R\u016B\u0101toki m\u014D te \u0101huatanga o te ker\u0113me nei. \u0100, puta te p\u0101tai, whakautua te p\u0101tai, puta te p\u0101tai, whakautua te p\u0101tai. He painga an\u014D r\u0101 o t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero, ar\u0101, ko te w\u0101nanga t\u0113r\u0101 o t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 kaupapa. Ka hoki ng\u0101 mahara ki Te Whai o Te Motu, t\u0113r\u0101 hui i tae atu te nuinga o Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe m\u014D Te Tatau Pounamu i heria atu ai e te tangata nei e Te Minita. I reira, \u0101, k\u0101tahi nei te whakaaro nui i roto i ng\u0101 k\u016Brakuraku o te ker\u0113me nei, ko Te Tatau Pounamu te mea whakatau i te puehu ki te taha o Te K\u0101wanatanga, me te m\u014Dhio an\u014D hoki, ar\u0101 noa te r\u0101, \u0101, ko te uru tonu o te pirihimana ki roto o R\u016B\u0101toki. \u0100, koia t\u0113tahi \u0101huatanga i whakatau i te puehu. Ka hoki ng\u0101 mahara, e hoa m\u0101, ki Rangiriri, ki \u014Cr\u0101kau, ki Pukehinahina. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EI ara ake te k\u014Drero, t\u0113n\u0101, me whakaako i ng\u0101 tamariki o t\u0113nei motu ki ng\u0101 h\u012Btori kai mua i te motu. Kaua e whakaako i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero o Kirihi, o \u0100wherika r\u0101nei, anei te k\u014Drero, kai te k\u0101inga! Kai tua o te taiapa! Kai waenganui i a t\u0101tau! N\u014D reira, \u0101 n\u0101 tata nei a Pita ka whakatinana ai i t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero. Kia tika r\u0101 n\u014D te whakaako i ng\u0101 h\u012Btori o Aotearoa nei ki konei. Ka mutu, me k\u014Drero m\u014D te \u0101huatanga o te urutanga o te pir\u012Bhimana ki roto o R\u016B\u0101toki i te mea, i whai w\u0101hi ano r\u0101 t\u0113r\u0101 i roto i ng\u0101 w\u0101nanga m\u014D t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 pire. \u0100e, k\u0101re an\u014D te kupu k\u014Drero kia puta i Te K\u014Dmihana hoi an\u014D t\u0113r\u0101 pea, \u0101 k\u014D ake nei ka puta t\u0113r\u0101 kupu whakap\u0101h\u0101 ki ng\u0101 mea i rongo nei i te ngau o te ture i t\u0113r\u0101 w\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EKa mutu, e p\u0113r\u0101 an\u014D hoki te \u0101huatanga m\u014Du, e Tame. Ka tautoko ake i te k\u014Drero a Tau H\u0113nare e p\u0101 ana ki t\u0113r\u0101 momo t\u016B m\u014D te ao M\u0101ori. Ko koe te tangata! N\u0101, me hara mai au ki te k\u014Drero o te tangata nei. Koinei te mate o te tangata kore m\u014Dhio. M\u0113n\u0101 i tae atu ia k\u012B ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a Te K\u014Dmiti Whaiti m\u014D ng\u0101 Take M\u0101ori kua rongo ia i ng\u0101 whakah\u0113. M\u0113n\u0101 i kite i te p\u016Brongo a Te Taraipiunara o Waitangi kua m\u014Dhio ia ki te p\u016Btake o te k\u014Drero. I reira au i ng\u0101 huihuinga katoa. Kua tae atu au kia rongo i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero o te hunga whakah\u0113. Koina te mahi o te mema P\u0101remata he kawe, he whakarongo ki t\u0113tahi tangata takitahi me te rongo an\u014D r\u0101 i t\u0113r\u0101 taha! Kua tae au ki ng\u0101 hui \u2013 katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EKo au t\u0113tahi kua tae atu ki te hui i Wai\u014Dhau. E rua pea ng\u0101 hui i tae atu au ki Wai\u014Dhau ki te rongo i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero. I tae atu ki te hui a Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe i \u014Chotu. I kite au i ng\u0101 kuia katoa o te wh\u0101rua me t\u0101 r\u0101tau tautoko i t\u0113nei pire, me te k\u012B atu, taihoa! M\u0101ku m\u0101 Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe ng\u0101 take a Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe e whakatika. N\u0101, m\u014D te karanga hui i te taha o te hunga o roto o Wai\u014Dhau. Kua hui tahi m\u0101tau ko Te Minita nei me ng\u0101 hunga whakah\u0113 ki te rongo i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero, ka mutu, kua rongo an\u014D r\u0101 i te taha o Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, n\u0101 te waha o T\u0101mati, o Kirsty, o wai ake, o wai ake o koutou. N\u014D reira k\u0101ti, me whakak\u014Dpani taku k\u014Drero. I rongo nei i te k\u014Drero a Ngata, \u0101e, i rongo nei au i te k\u014Drero m\u014D Ngata. E kore e taea e au te whakah\u0113 te \u0101huatanga o t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 rangatira o te ao M\u0101ori \u0113ngari, ko te \u0101huatanga ki a Ngata, ki au nei, kua \u0101hua rerek\u0113. N\u014D reira kua kapohia mai ai t\u0113tahi k\u014Drero i roto i t\u0113tahi pukapuka kia huri au ki te reo P\u0101keh\u0101 hei whakak\u014Dpani.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker, and greetings everyone. Welcome to those of you who have arrived from home before Parliament. According to the proverb \u201Cfearsome with words, fearsome in anger, and fearsome with weaponry\u201D, that is you, Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, so welcome to you collectively. Now, in terms of our dearly departed, and as I stand here before you, my thoughts go back to those who are no longer with us, and there are so many of them. However, on this day my thoughts go back to Rangipuke. He was the one who came here and attended all the meetings and many more alongside others who are no longer here to see how this day has turned out. And so bring forth the dead to be mourned over by us today. Let them rest. And so here you are who have arrived today to celebrate this day which is better than what we expected. Congratulations and greetings to you all collectively and compliments to us all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EWell, I truly acknowledge the way the prayer was delivered. It was a satisfying way to put the spirit at ease. Despite what others may say, it has satisfied the spirit. I pay a tribute to the Minister because I for one am very much aware that the path which you and he collectively pursued was a boggy one. Many others have said that T\u016Bhoe will never ever see the title to Te Urewera returned to them, but that talk will be amended shortly. Others have said that Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe will never fulfil what it is really after, but what will come out of that statement or a modification of it will be seen soon enough. T\u0101mati, what further complimentary remarks can be expressed once again to endorse the congratulations accorded to you, to you two and Kirsti. Well done, you two who worked hard to encourage the Crown and that non-M\u0101ori John Wood, thank you. That was you acting as a mediator between Government and Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe. What a person you are indeed to Government officials to ensure that this matter is completed effectively. It is only right that we salute you collectively. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EFellow colleagues, as I stand before you my thoughts go back to the numerous meetings that were held. I have spoken in the past about the arrival of the Waitangi Tribunal upon the valley of R\u016B\u0101toki. I arrived there with my baby who was about three or four years old at the time. When we arrived at R\u016B\u0101toki, at the valley, we saw vehicles, the smoke, and we were thinking \u201CWhat are these M\u0101ori doing?\u201D We could see the horses and the ones riding them and we observed you readying yourselves for the arrival of the Waitangi Tribunal upon you. I will never forget that situation. It was not because I was going to stay for the rest of the day, but I was merely there for the welcome of the Tribunal at the confiscation line. Afterwards it would proceed to Te Rewarewa for a further welcome and then ultimately arrive at Tau\u0101rai. Furthermore, the nation knows what occurred on that day. There was this M\u0101ori person about that tall with his gun and, behold, he did that to the Government\u2019s flag. And so the thoughts go back to those situations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EI recall the time before John Key became Prime Minister, when we and the M\u0101ori member of the North and also Georgina te Heuheu\u2014before I arrived here in Parliament\u2014we went into the very depth of Te Urewera at \u014Cwhakatoro with them to that meeting which was held there. My thoughts go back to a statement by Tame to John Key in regard to what he would do if he became Prime Minister. There were two questions; firstly, John Key, will you return Te Urewera to Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, and, secondly, what are your views on the independence of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe? The response by the Prime Minister about Te Urewera was a short one: \u201CUmmm, perhaps yes.\u201D And then about independence, we the Government do not agree to that kind of thing. Perhaps he feared the situation about flags? Maybe! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EBut after a time a statement emerged with some speakers at that meeting stating that what this Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe was really after was that things relating to Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe in respect to education and health should be left for Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe to deal with. We know about our own capacity. Leave it for us to deal with our health and educational issues. The Prime Minister said that that is fine. Absolutely great! He could not see the connection to self-determination that Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe was alluding to. Of all the meetings, my thoughts go back to that one in particular. My recollections return to the formal arrival of the Minister and myself at the village settlement of Ng\u0101ti K\u014Dura when we appeared there from here to explain aspects of this claim to the ones at R\u016B\u0101toki. And it was there that whenever a question emerged it was responded to and so it went on. As soon as a question was asked, it was answered. There were benefits too from that consultation in terms of debating this one of the policies. Recollections of the meeting at Te Whai o Te Motu Marae return where most members of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe arrived for Te Tatau Pounamu, which this person, the Minister, took along. It was there that a huge appreciation for Te Tatau Pounamu was seen in terms of addressing complications in this claim and from a Government\u2019s perspective that was fully aware of the dust created by the day of the police raids in R\u016B\u0101toki and the need to settle it. Te Tatau Pounamu effectively did that. Recollections of Rangiriri, \u014Cr\u0101kau and Pukehinahina come to mind, colleagues. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003ENow then, I bring up a point that children of this nation should be taught the history that is before them. Don\u2019t teach stories relating to Greece or America. I say, teach the stories from here that are in front of them! Just over the fence! Amongst them! Pita is about to implement that statement so that the history here of New Zealand can be taught appropriately. Furthermore, let\u2019s talk about the invasion of R\u016B\u0101toki by the police, because there was a place as well in this bill for discussions. Yes, the Police Commissioner has not released a statement yet. Perhaps an apology will be made shortly to those who suffered at the hands of the law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EFurthermore, that applies to you, Tame. I really endorse Tau Henare\u2019s statement in terms of anyone taking that stance for M\u0101oridom as you have. You are the man! Now, let me come to the comment by this person, Winston Peters. The problem here is one of ignorance. If he was at the submissions to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee he would have heard the objections. If he had seen the Waitangi Tribunal\u2019s report he would have found out where the sentiments came from. I was there at all the hearings. I went there to hear what the ones who objected had to say. That is the role of a member of Parliament, to take aboard, listen to an individual\u2019s point of view and listen to an opposing view as well! I have been to the meetings \u2013 all of them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EI attended a meeting at Wai\u014Dhau. Perhaps there were two that I got to and listened to the talk. I got to Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe\u2019s one at \u014Chotu. I saw all the elderly women of the valley there and witnessed their support for this bill and how they called out: \u201CHang on! We of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe will address issues pertaining to Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe.\u201D Now, in terms of calling a meeting with those in Wai\u014Dhau, the Minister and I met with those who opposed it to listen to what they had to air, and, furthermore, heard Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe\u2019s side through T\u0101mati, Kirsti, and others of you as well. And so enough, I should end my address here. Yes, I heard the comments pertaining to Ngata and about him. It is not possible for me to go against that great leader of M\u0101oridom, but my view is that the circumstances around Ngata have changed somewhat. Therefore, I snatched up an account from a book but will switch to English in conclusion.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EIn respect of Ngata, I did a Google search for T\u016Bhoe and Ngata, and it said\u2014and I will read this passage to close\u2014\u201CFrom 1894, when Prime Minister Seddon and Native Minister James Carroll \u2026 conducted meetings with T\u016Bhoe elders, to 1908, when Apirana Ngata co-authored a report on Urewera lands, the T\u016Bhoe watched their world turn upside down. Despite their wholehearted distrust of government and canny understanding that surveying would undermine the mana of their chiefs and herald the loss of their land, the T\u016Bhoe suffered a relentless political raupatu, proving that conquest could proceed as well by legislative act as by military invasion.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EHe pai tonu te k\u014Drero m\u014D Ngata \u0113ngari, te w\u0101 i raupatuhia ng\u0101 whenua o Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, i reira r\u0101tau. P\u0113nei i a m\u0101tau o Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori, ar\u0101 n\u014D te tokomaha \u0113ngari, ko te tokoiti kai konei tonu e kawe nei i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero. N\u014D reira r\u0101, ko t\u0101ku ko te k\u012B atu, ka pai! Kua t\u014D te r\u0101, mahia te mahi Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, kia kaha ki a koutou! He r\u0101 tino harikoa t\u0113nei m\u014D koutou, m\u014D t\u0113nei M\u0101ori e t\u016B atu nei, \u0101, hoi an\u014D m\u014D \u0113tahi \u0113ngari, ko t\u0101tau t\u0113nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora t\u0101tau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E[The talk about Ngata is fine, but when T\u016Bhoe\u2019s lands were confiscated they were the ones who were there. Like us here, the M\u0101ori Party, a vast number are about but only a few of us are here to bear the discourse. So therefore, I say, all good! The sun has set, do the job, Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe, be strong amongst yourselves! This is a real euphoric day for you collectively, for this M\u0101ori standing before you, and for others, but this is us. Go for it, good on you, and congratulations to us.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022c28862ebf61744e7885a1d542972849f\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote  was called for on the question, That the T\u016Bhoe Claims Settlement Bill and the Te Urewera Bill be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 113\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; M\u0101ori Party 3; Mana 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAbstentions 7\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First 7.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBills read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000172\u0022\u003EHaka\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000173\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000174\u0022\u003EHaka\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000175\u0022\u003EKaranga\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022467e6230691e41899107756ba57aebeb\u0022\u003ENg\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau Collective Redress Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00225846c591fd92426dba059a3ceae2f126\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022 data-id=\u00224bffb3d5e17643049da19b4adf57b868\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224bffb3d5e17643049da19b4adf57b868\u0022\u003EHon Dr PITA SHARPLES (Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: I move, That the Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau Collective Redress Bill be now read a third time. T\u0101maki Herenga Waka, T\u0101maki Whai Rawa, T\u0101maki Pai, T\u0101maki-makau-rau. Ko ng\u0101 kur\u012B purepure o T\u0101maki e kore e ngaro i te p\u014D. He h\u014Dnore m\u0101ku te mihi atu ki a koutou kua hoki mai nei ki t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare nei, kia whakaoti ai t\u0113nei kaupapa. Kei te mihi au ki a koutou e kaha ki te hui, ki te whakatakoto kaupapa ai kia tutuki ai te kaupapa nei. N\u0101 reira, e tika ana kia mihi atu ki a koutou. T\u0101piti atu ki t\u0113n\u0101 ka mihi au ki a koutou e manaaki nei i ahau me taku whanau, mai i te w\u0101 i tae atu au ki T\u0101maki i ng\u0101 tau o te ono tekau, mai i reira m\u0101tou e mahi tahi, noho tahi, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[T\u0101maki the mooring place of many canoes, T\u0101maki the resourceful, T\u0101maki of good looks, and T\u0101maki of a hundred lovers. The spotted dogskin cloak of T\u0101maki will never be lost to the underworld. It is an honour for me to acknowledge you collectively who have returned to this House of ours to conclude this matter. I pay a tribute to you who worked hard to meet and to set down policies so that this matter can be fulfilled. And so, it is fitting that I acknowledge you collectively. Further to that, I thank you for looking after me and my family when I arrived there in Auckland in the 1960s, and from there we worked and lived together. Thank you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EIt is with immense pleasure that I welcome into this House for the last time on this issue the K\u0101hui Rangatira o T\u0101maki-makau-rau: Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, Ng\u0101ti Maru, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, Ng\u0101ti Tamater\u0101, Ng\u0101ti Te Ata, Ng\u0101ti Whanaunga, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei, Te \u0100kitai Waiohua, Te Kawerau \u0101 Maki, Te R\u016Bnanga o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, and Te Patukirikiri. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou. Each of you is a representative of a metropolis of 1.5 million people where just over one-third of this nation\u2019s people reside. Within your boundaries live almost a quarter of all M\u0101ori people, the highest number of Pacific peoples in the world, and the highest number of migrant people to our country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EWithin a 20-kilometre radius of the central city alone, there are 48 t\u016Bpuna maunga. They remain the most distinctive landscape features of T\u0101maki-makau-rau. They are the markers for the most visible evidence of original M\u0101ori settlement, reaching back to the 17th century. Like all our landforms, 14 of these maunga and four motu in the surrounding waters are a source of great symbolic and spiritual importance. That is why we are here today, joined by our rangatira, who have forged this momentous and innovative settlement. It is a victory for pragmatic thinking and creative solutions. It is a victory for partnerships and building a positive future. It is a victory for recognising the rights and responsibilities of mana whenua to fulfil their role as kaitiaki of these sacred sites. Above all it is a victory for T\u0101maki-makau-rau and all the people who call it home. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EMount Eden, Mount Roskill, Mount Wellington, Mount Richmond, Pigeon Mountain, Mount St John\u2014one could be forgiven for thinking they had landed in the UK or the USA and not here in Aotearoa New Zealand. Now, our greatest city and its citizens can claim the more eloquent and meaningful names befitting its great landmarks: Maungakiekie, Maungauika, Maungawhau, Puket\u0101papa, Pukew\u012Bw\u012B, Te K\u014Dpuke, Maungarei, Takarunga, \u014Ct\u0101huhu, Te Pane-\u014D-Mataoho, Te Ara Pueru, \u014Chuiarangi, \u014Chinerau, Te T\u0101tua-a-Riukiuta, Rarotonga, Matukut\u016Bruru, Rangitoto, Motutapu, Motuihe, and Tiritiri M\u0101tangi. The story behind each name is a legacy for teaching our children about the ancestral places around them\u2014the maunga and the motu are no longer just inanimate hills, bumps, and islands. They take on human forms and experiences. They tell of taniwha, patupaiarehe, great leaders and lovers, and battles won and lost. These are my last 2 weeks in Parliament and I never thought that I would see the day when a senior Minister, just a month back, stood up and explained to the House about taniwha, and where they were, how they lived, and so on. We have come a long way. We have come a long way with our tikanga, i t\u0113nei w\u0101. We have got to appreciate that and take it through, like you have done with returning these names, for our young people to grow. If a P\u0101keh\u0101 Minister can talk about taniwha with full belief, then that is really a good step. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EThe names speak to accounts of great atua, powerful tohunga, and moana and ngahere teeming with plants, sea, and birdlife. Each conceivable subject and experience is captured in the original names of the sites covered by this settlement. Thanks to Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau, we have retrieved and reclaimed the whakapapa that so rightly belongs to this rohe. We thank you for being the catalyst and driver of this claim and for the foresight and diligence applied to negotiating the settlement over this period of time. We acknowledge your goodwill and generosity, which are both enduring hallmarks of your contribution to the settlement process\u2014first, your goodwill and generosity to receive the redress collectively, as a group; and second, the goodwill and generosity extended to other parties to this settlement, like the Crown, Auckland Council and the Department of Conservation. Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua r\u014Dp\u016B, Marut\u016Bahu r\u014Dp\u016B, Wai\u014Dhua r\u014Dp\u016B\u2014it is you that we look to for continued guidance and leadership regarding the management, care, and administration of these maunga and motu. In your very capable hands we restore and return the responsibility for the future development of this city and its sacred sites. You are the game-changers. You lead the way. You show the valuable contribution that mana whenua can make to the future governance and development of our towns and cities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EKai te Kaihaut\u016B. This week a number of iwi and hap\u016B are settling their grievances with the Crown. It is right that we remember all the rangatira no longer with us, who led many of these claims. We should remember those who did not get to see the void filled by that final reading of this bill. There are too many to name, but they will live on in their descendants here today. They live on in the fine, proud, enduring legacy bestowed by this legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003EN\u0101 reira, T\u0101maki-makau-rau, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Kei te mihi hoki au ki a koutou e tautoko ana t\u014D t\u0101tou komiti statutory M\u0101ori board i T\u0101maki-makau-rau. Ko te mea tuatahi t\u0113nei tauira m\u014D Aotearoa. Ko te t\u016Bmanako, ka tipu ake \u0113tahi atu komiti p\u0113nei i roto i P\u014Dneke, i \u0113tahi atu t\u0101one nui. N\u0101 reira, m\u0101 koutou tonu e manaaki, tiaki taua komiti. He ringaringa \u014D t\u0101tou kei roto i te whakahaeretanga o t\u014D t\u0101tou t\u0101one nui. N\u0101 reira kei te mihi atu ki a koutou, kua oti pai t\u0113n\u0101 whakat\u016B. N\u0101 reira k\u0101re e roa aku mihi heoi an\u014D, harikoa au kia p\u0101nuihia te k\u014Drero tuatahi m\u014D t\u014D t\u0101tou ker\u0113me. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou, kei raro.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219767ece-60f1-4014-9855-74afaa34e699\u0022\u003E[And so, T\u0101maki of a hundred lovers, thank you collectively. I acknowledge you as well for supporting our statutory M\u0101ori board in Auckland. This example is a first for New Zealand. My hope is that a committee like this will emerge in Wellington and in other cities. You must protect and look after that committee. We have a hand in the administration of our city, and so I congratulate you collectively. Putting that into place has been completed well. Therefore my acknowledgments will not take any more time, but I am pleased to make the first address in regard to our claim. So greetings and acknowledgments to you collectively and to us all. I resume my seat.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u0022a091ea6b3660470d8ba4e53d671ca160\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a091ea6b3660470d8ba4e53d671ca160\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour\u2014Hauraki-Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E Tuatahi, t\u0113nei e mihi ana ki a koutou ng\u0101 iwi, ng\u0101 pou o te rohe o T\u0101maki-makau-rau. N\u0101 koutou te kaha hei whakakotahi i raro i te maru o te k\u0101hui o T\u0101maki Makaurau kia haria mai t\u0113nei kaupapa i mua i te aroaro o te K\u0101wanatanga, ar\u0101, te P\u0101remata. N\u014D reira, nei te mihi maioha ki a koutou katoa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. E te Minita, t\u0113n\u0101 koe m\u014D t\u0113nei w\u0101hanga ki a m\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E[First of all, I pay a tribute to you, the tribes and pillars of Auckland. It was your courage to unite under the shelter of the T\u0101maki Makaurau cluster to bring this proposal before the Government\u2014namely, Parliament. And so, an affectionate tribute, greetings, and acknowledgments to you all. To you the Minister, thank you for allowing us this part.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIt gives Labour great pleasure to be able to support the third reading of the Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau Collective Redress Bill. I want to acknowledge each of the 13 iwi that have come together under this particular settlement, in what is an innovative example of what is possible. Might I say, it may have had its challenges, but to get to this point it could well be an example that other iwi and other towns might look to, in terms of how to bring some common interests together. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the Mayor of Auckland City, Len Brown. Your leadership to steward through the statutory board in a way in which M\u0101ori can imprint on and have a voice in such a huge city is significant and should not be understated. I do want to acknowledge that this is a time of innovation and a time for change. We are in the period of Matariki\u2014the beginning of things and the end of things. It is an opportunity to think about the way in which our great city might grow and thrive so that the iconic features that are in the city of Auckland can be celebrated, so that the history of Auckland can be better understood by those who live there, but certainly by tourists who visit Auckland City, and also to provide a window for how to do things differently. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIt frustrates the heck out of me when I hear, for example, discussions around the Resource Management Act and such negative comments around the way in which M\u0101ori concerns are taken into account. It is not unreasonable, when developers want to do things in Auckland City, to get geotechnical reports, but if you want to seek reports about how this particular development might impact on M\u0101ori heritage and values, it is juxtaposed in such a negative space. I think that time needs to pass. We need to move through it. So what is happening with the T\u0101maki Collective redress bill, the M\u0101ori Statutory Board, and the types of changes in Auckland City itself provide obvious tensions but will provide, I think, helpful learning points about how we as a nation can go forward, taking into account the aspirations of M\u0101ori who want to contribute to the aspirations of New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI had not intended on taking too long a call on this third reading speech, except to say: what a challenge. What a challenge it must have been to get 13 iwi together, to come up with a model of management for some of the most iconic places in Auckland that are well renowned, the names of which the Minister has talked about. What a challenge it has been to assure the broader Auckland community that this is a positive way of looking at how the future of maunga within Auckland can be better managed. What a challenge in terms of identifying a new governance structure and a commercial structure that could represent the collective aspirations of the iwi represented in this settlement, but it has been achieved. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EToday\u2019s third reading is really an opportunity for Parliament to look at the settlement in its totality\u2014the consequences leading to such an approach, but also the opportunities arising from it. I for one want to mention only two things that challenged us at the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee that were somewhat significant. One was regarding Watercare Services\u2014no surprise to many. The ongoing thirst of Auckland for meeting the needs of growth, for sustaining the thirsty Auckland, if you like, gets to a sharp point when you talk about infrastructure and providing water to the city. The type of debate that the select committee had around Watercare Service\u2019s ongoing and future requirements was interesting in so far as this settlement was concerned. Were we to absolutely, I guess, embrace the debate that Watercare Services had, there would have been a reverting to the status quo, that Watercare Services would deal with the Auckland Council for its future needs and consenting processes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EHowever, we did not go that way. We were assured by the good representation of Paul Majurey, I might add, probably from his experience in this space, that there was enough scope within the way in which the authority is intended to operate that the existing easements, and the discussion around how future easements would happen, would be able to be achieved under what was proposed in the bill. So we did not change it. We accepted Watercare had issues. We accepted future demand could be a prospect that might impact on areas covered in this particular settlement, but that is a process and the process can be covered in the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThe other thing that challenged us\u2014this is probably more a broader point of principle, and it came to a sharp point because we have got so many different iwi in this settlement\u2014was place names. You will remember that a colleague of mine, who has since left the House and is now in the Pacific, challenged the thinking of us as M\u0101ori members that if we cannot name a place or consider that a place has a M\u0101ori name, then perhaps we do not have any connection to it. I accept in part what he was challenging us to do, which was decide on a name, but many of the iwi will see that as we pursued information around what the challenges were here, it was different histories and layers of time where there are two names, a couple of names at least, for the same place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EWe investigated whether the New Zealand Geographic Board could have three M\u0101ori names or two M\u0101ori names for the same place\u2014all too difficult. So where there was an agreement on one name, that is an easily achievable outcome. Where there were two names or so, such as that for Mount Albert: \u014Cwairaka and Te Ahi K\u0101 a Rakataura; Mount Roskill: Puket\u0101papa and Pukew\u012Bw\u012B; Mount St John: Te K\u014Dpuke and Titik\u014Dpuke\u2014where those types of scenarios existed, there was a process where the New Zealand Geographic Board could gazette two M\u0101ori names and it would be on the record, so to speak, but for official purposes it could not be recognised in what we commonly understand as dual naming. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ESo maybe what this settlement has done in this instance is urge us to think through how, going forward, we might better capture what is intended, which is a full telling of the New Zealand story. Auckland City over time has been flooded by a number of iwi. A number of histories have come into play and it has been flooded by a number of other people. But that should not prevent the accurate telling of our story and the accurate capturing of our names. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI have taken something from the settlement in a positive way, that if we could do anything we might in the future look at the New Zealand Geographic Board and how it accurately captures the names of our special places. I am under no shadow of a doubt that, with a commitment to, and an intensity of focus on, what is in the best interests of the collective members under the settlement that has been presented to the House today, good things can happen. Great opportunities are ahead but the biggest opportunity, Mayor Len Brown, is how we immerse our way of working through this type of model within the broader issues of Auckland City so that the city as a whole can benefit from the fruits of better engagement with iwi within the isthmus of Auckland. N\u014D reira, ki a koutou katoa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora mai tatou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u00228d50991627694652bb8bcf9700190337\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228d50991627694652bb8bcf9700190337\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0101maki Makaurau, T\u0101maki Herenga Waka, T\u0101maki Herenga Tangata, nau mai, haere mai. T\u0113nei te mihi atu ki a koutou ng\u0101 kanohi o ng\u0101 momo k\u014Drero, ng\u0101 uri o te hunga kua mene atu ki te p\u014D. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. E ng\u0101 hoa mema o te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou i Te Wiki o Te Reo M\u0101ori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E[Welcome, T\u0101maki of a hundred lovers, T\u0101maki the mooring place of many canoes, T\u0101maki the mooring place of people, welcome. I acknowledge you as genres of discourse and descendants of those who have assembled in the world of death. Greetings, acknowledgments, and congratulations to you all. And greetings to you, fellow members of the House, in this, the week of the M\u0101ori language.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EIn June 2009\u20145 years ago\u2014Sir Douglas Graham, as my negotiator, made a presentation to the iwi of Kaipara, T\u0101maki, and Hauraki in Ellerslie. He invited more than 21 iwi and hap\u016B to enter into negotiations at the same time, for both iwi-specific and collective settlement negotiations. The proposal was bold and could have gone the way of other attempts to restart negotiations across the region. As Sir Douglas said to me in his report: \u201CTo achieve the desired result everyone involved will have to work cooperatively. It will take inspired leadership by all involved.\u201D Well, today we complete the collective settlement process we began with the 13 iwi of Auckland who came together to form Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau, otherwise known as the T\u0101maki Collective. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge those leaders and negotiators who were here at the start of negotiations, but who are not with us today. These are people like Walter Taipare of Ng\u0101ti Maru, H\u0101riata Gordon of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, Jim Nicholls of Hauraki, and Takutai \u201CDoc\u201D Wikiriwhi, Puawai R\u0101maka, and Jolene Patuawa of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua. I also want to acknowledge the negotiators for the 13 iwi of T\u0101maki who came together to form that collective, many of whom are here in the House today. Your inspired leadership has brought us to this point, and it would be remiss of me not to particularly acknowledge the tremendous work done by Paul Majurey as chair of the collective. He has been simply fantastic. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe negotiators and the iwi they represent are the descendants of people who intensely settled T\u0101maki. They turned it into a place of grand fortifications and rich gardens, of countless p\u0101 and k\u0101inga. The maunga of T\u0101maki are also the burial places of great chiefs who fought and who made peace, and whose descendants also witnessed the coming and going of lone trees on the top of Maungakiekie. The redress delivered through this bill will provide impetus to preserve that very important history. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe 14 maunga that are at the centrepiece of this settlement are treasured cultural landmarks for both iwi and the people of our land. They merit the proposed application for World Heritage status, given their outstanding natural and cultural significance, which transcends national boundaries. The collective deed and this bill will vest the maunga in the T\u0101maki Collective, to be held as reserves for the common benefit of the collective and the people of T\u0101maki.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E It is important to emphasise that third-party interests and all rights of public access will be protected. But by doing so, the Crown recognises the customary interests of the iwi in the maunga, and, in a reciprocal manner typical of their generosity, the iwi of the collective acknowledge the interests of all people in Auckland in the same. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe Auckland Council, which was coming into being as Sir Douglas was making his proposal, has also demonstrated inspired leadership. Mayor Brown and his council will continue to be crucial to the settlement and to the World Heritage status application. I acknowledge his presence today and thank him for coming, and I also thank Penny Webster. They have been working with the T\u0101maki Collective to ensure the co-governance arrangements for the volcanic cones are a success. This third reading, as for all settlements that come before this House, is the end of the beginning, and I very much look forward to seeing the relationships that have been formed between the council and iwi develop further and bring very positive results. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThere are other elements to the settlement that give me an opportunity to thank my colleagues. The islands Rangitoto, Motutapu, Motuihe, and Tiritiri M\u0101tangi will be gifted to iwi and then gifted back, with the exception of the summit of Rangitoto, which will remain in iwi ownership with reserve status. The Minister of Conservation will be one of the partners in stronger co-governance arrangements for these islands and other important conservation land in the region. I hope and expect that these new co-governance arrangements will be conducted in the spirit of generosity that the gift represents. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe settlement also includes an agreement with the Department of Building and Housing that the Minister of Housing supported ahead of this settlement being concluded. As a result, we have already seen a demonstration of the possibilities of the partnership in the development of 280 affordable houses under way at Weymouth. The T\u0101maki Collective will also receive right of refusal opportunities for Crown land across the isthmus, and I am delighted the University of Auckland and UniTec have agreed to be part of that opportunity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EParliament will now be aware that the collective deed and this bill do not settle any historical claims, but are instead one part of Treaty settlements with the iwi and the hap\u016B that will continue to be completed in this region. This collective settlement has also been the springboard for the comprehensive settlements that we have reached with two of the three of the members of the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua r\u014Dp\u016B, with the last agreement in principle being reached, hopefully, very shortly, and one deed of settlement with Te Kawerau-a-Maki of the Wai\u014Dhua r\u014Dp\u016B, and with three more deeds on their way. We are also near completing settlements with the five iwi of the Maratuahu r\u014Dp\u016B. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ESo once more, in closing, I want to acknowledge the negotiators for the iwi. As I have mentioned on previous occasions, Treaty settlements take courage and perseverance, and collective negotiations amplify that. I also cannot conclude without acknowledging my indefatigable negotiator Michael Dreaver\u2014it is a great word. A First World War dreadnought was named Indefatigable, and that is a bit what he is like\u2014absolutely committed to the task. One moment he is meeting with Ng\u0101ti Hei; the next day he will be meeting with Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua and discussing the Kaipara Harbour. He is always positive and dedicated to the task, and I appreciate his very hard work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ETo each of the iwi who make up the collective: Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, Ng\u0101ti Maru, Ng\u0101ti Paoa, Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, Ng\u0101ti Tamater\u0101, Ng\u0101ti Te Ata, Ng\u0101ti Whanaunga, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei, Te \u0100kitai Wai\u014Dhua, Te Kawerau-\u0101-Maki, Te Patukirikiri, and Te R\u016Bnanga o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, I look forward to a day in the not too distant future when we can say that all historical Treaty grievances in T\u0101maki-makau-rau are settled. This is a great day for Auckland and it is a great day for our country. I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u0022c20567c570a14106827d20317b44f684\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c20567c570a14106827d20317b44f684\u0022\u003EKELVIN DAVIS (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te Kaihaut\u016B. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e ng\u0101 k\u0101rangaranga hap\u016B, iwi, o T\u0101maki-makau-rau. T\u0113n\u0101 r\u0101 koutou, n\u0101 koutou i takahia mai p\u0113r\u0101 i a Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe i mua i a koutou i te ata nei. N\u0101 koutou i takahia mai te tuar\u0101 o Te Ika-a-M\u0101ui ki a t\u0101tou i konei i Te Upoko-o-Te Ika ki te whakarongo ki t\u0113nei te p\u0101nuitanga mutunga o t\u0113nei pire, t\u0101 koutou pire. Kua rongohia hoki i ng\u0101 ingoa i w\u2019akahuatia e te Minita m\u014D r\u0101tou i t\u012Bmata ai t\u0113nei haerenga \u0101-tinana i \u0113r\u0101 tau i mua \u0113ngari, hore kau kei konei \u0101-tinana \u0113ngari kei konei r\u0101tou \u0101-wairua. N\u0101 reira, mihi kau ana ki a r\u0101tou te hunga mate, r\u0101tou kua whet\u016Brangitia. Haere e ng\u0101 mate \u0113ngari, hoki mai t\u0101tou ki a t\u0101tou an\u014D te hunga ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. Greetings to you, the subtribal and tribal callings of Auckland. A real tribute to you collectively, who, like Ng\u0101i T\u016Bhoe ahead of you this morning, travelled here. You traversed along the back of the North Island to us here in Wellington to listen to this final reading of this bill, your bill. I also heard names mentioned by the Minister of those who personally attended meetings at the start, those years ago, but are not here physically today, except spiritually. So I pay a tribute to them, the dead who are no longer here. Farewell the dead, but let us, the living, come back again to ourselves.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI would like to just carry on in the vein that the Minister has started in and acknowledge all the hap\u016B and the iwi of Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau Collective: Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, Ng\u0101ti Maru, Ng\u0101ti Paoa, Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, Ng\u0101ti Tamater\u0101, Ng\u0101ti Te Ata, Ng\u0101ti Whanaunga, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei, Te \u0100kitai Wai\u014Dhua, Te Kawerau-a-Maki, Te Patukirikiri, me ng\u0101 hap\u016B atu o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThis bill in its preamble explains what the Minister has just said\u2014that this bill is separate to the Treaty claims. The iwi and hap\u016B constituting the collective known as Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau have claims to T\u0101maki-makau-rau based on historical breaches of the Treaty of Waitangi by the Crown. Those settlements are happening in a parallel process. But this bill redresses other issues around the maunga and the motu of T\u0101maki-makau-rau. All the iwi have interests in these maunga and these motu of T\u0101maki-makau-rau, and they all have interests into the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI would like to acknowledge also the words of the bill that say that \u201CThe maunga and the motu are taonga in relation to \u2026 the iwi and hap\u016B \u2026\u201D, and those iwi and hap\u016B have always maintained a unique relationship and they have never forgotten their intergenerational role as kaitiaki. I think it is really important to explain that to the motu and to the country, and to reiterate the relationship that we as M\u0101ori have with our maunga. We could relate it, I guess, to the Egyptians when they go out and build their own maunga by way of a pyramid or to the Incas building pyramids, but we M\u0101ori are a bit smarter. We do not take 30 years and 20,000 slaves to build our monuments. We have what the provider gave to us, ar\u0101, o t\u0101tou maunga, and they have much significance to us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003ETherefore, it upsets us greatly when we see that over the years, such as in T\u0101maki-makau-rau, the maunga there have been quarried, have been mined, and have had structures built on them. It would be similar to our going over to Egypt and dismantling a part of the pyramids to build a bit of a road somewhere. People can understand that that would be a tragedy and would an insult to the Egyptian people, and I hope that they understand that by quarrying away our maunga, taking chunks out of them, building bits of pieces out of them for roads, for example, it is an insult to us as M\u0101ori. We have this special connection. I do not think we have to justify our special connection; it is just the way it is for us. We understand it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThis bill has taken a number of years to get to this stage. It started, as the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations said, in July 2009 with negotiations between the Crown and Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau. A framework agreement was signed in February 2010, a record of agreement was signed in November 2011, another deed encapsulating a few things was initialled in June 2012, and on 8 September 2012 a deed was signed. But in order for that to all bear fruit this legislation had to be enacted, and here we are. Of course, legislation does not happen overnight. This bill has taken a number of years to be drafted, to go through the process of the first reading, the second reading, the Committee stage, and the select committee hearings, and now we have reached this stage, where the legislation is almost complete. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe Crown framework agreement has some very valid points to it, and I just want to find the particular part where it says: \u201CThe Crown recognises that the iwi/hap\u016B members of Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau have legitimate spiritual, ancestral, cultural, customary and historical interests in the maunga of T\u0101maki Makaurau.\u201D Earlier on I heard the Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs, Pita Sharples, say that we have come a long way in 10 years, when we heard about the Minister talking about taniwha, and I think it is fantastic that we are now hearing about legislation that is legitimising our spiritual, our ancestral, our cultural, and our customary and historical interests. We have come a long way when we can talk about\u2014and we do not have to justify to anybody else\u2014our spiritual and cultural connections. It is part of what makes Aotearoa a beautiful place and a wonderful country to live in. I know that there will be knockers. I know that there will be people out there who do not understand that, and who do not want to understand it, but that is their loss. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EIt was interesting to hear, and to note in the bill, that the motu will be given to Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau and then they will be vested back, or given back, to the Crown. That reminds me of a saying of an ancestor of mine, who wanted to hold a patu pounamu of our tupuna. It was in the keeping of his relatives, but he wanted to hold it one time in his lifetime. He said: H\u014Dmai ki ahau kia puri kai e aku ringa i mua i t\u014Dku matenga\u2014\u201CLet me just hold it for a moment in my lifetime.\u201D It is a similar concept to what is happening in this bill, where the motu are being handed over and are then being handed back. I think it is honourable, and I think Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau need to be acknowledged for that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EAlso, I think we need to reassure New Zealanders and Aucklanders that when the maunga are vested to Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau, there are parts of the bill that guarantee Aucklanders and New Zealanders access to those maunga. They will still be able to enjoy them. There will still be reserves that all the people of New Zealand can enjoy. This is not about exclusive ownership; it is actually about the gift of sharing. For that, I thank you all for your generosity to us as a nation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI must also acknowledge the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations. My dealings with Minister Finlayson in terms of all Treaty settlement issues have been only honourable and honest and open. I acknowledge you for the hard work that I know you put in, Minister, and I know that your hardest work is yet to come, by settling our Ng\u0101puhi claims. With that, I acknowledge everybody here. I thank the House, and I am happy that the Labour Party supports this legislation. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022 data-id=\u002261ca6c9da92047d88d2a569b6d536d3d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002261ca6c9da92047d88d2a569b6d536d3d\u0022\u003EDAVID CLENDON (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Assistant Speaker. Kei te mihi o te r\u0101 ki a koutou. It is a genuine pleasure and privilege to speak on behalf of the Green Party to affirm our support for this legislation, the Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau Collective Redress Bill, and may I add our welcome to the representatives of ng\u0101 iwi and ng\u0101 hap\u016B of T\u0101maki-makau-rau, the dignitaries, and the other stakeholders from Auckland, T\u0101maki-makau-rau, who have made the effort to be in the House today. Welcome to our place and, indeed, welcome to your place. It is a pleasure to have you here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EThis bill has some unique features, not least of all that, unlike other settlement bills, it does not, in fact, settle historic grievances or historic claims. As the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations has accurately pointed out, this is a redress bill. The individual claims of iwi and hap\u016B relating to breaches of te Tiriti over time are being dealt with in a parallel process. Some of them are at an advanced stage of settlement. Others have some way to go yet. But it has been described as an elegant solution, and I actually tautoko that. It is an interesting approach and, I think, a very positive one, and it will have some very positive outcomes to it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EI think the submission last year from the T\u0101maki collective noted that this legislation, as it will pass today, is an outcome of negotiation, of diplomacy, and of compromise, and that is clearly true if one reads the content and the spirit of the bill. There has been negotiation and high-level diplomacy within and between iwi and hap\u016B and other stakeholders, and, of course, compromise. In politics, in political circles, compromise often has a negative connotation to it, but I think compromise arrives at a consensus position\u2014a position where perhaps nobody has got everything they might have wanted, but everybody can see that there is something in it, and that this is a solution and an outcome that people can live with and that serves the interests of the maximum number of people. I think, in that sense, it is a good outcome. It is a testament to the power, indeed, of negotiation, of diplomacy, of compromise, and of achieving consensus as to what is the best way forward out of very complex and very difficult situations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EThe preamble talks about the maunga and motu that are affected in this legislation\u2014they are named in it\u2014as being taonga in relation to which iwi and hap\u016B have always maintained a unique relationship and where those iwi and hap\u016B have honoured their intergenerational role as kaitiaki. I would just like to take a moment to reflect on the nature of kaitiakitanga. I would not claim to have any profound insights into the depth of the meaning of those words, of kaitiaki and kaitiakitanga. One thing I am sure of is that an assertion of kaitiaki status is an assertion of a bundle of rights to occupy, to use, and to manage. But also, I think, profoundly, it an acknowledgment of responsibility and of obligation. I think those who would criticise the M\u0101ori assertion of rights miss the fact that it also is an acceptance of significant responsibility and obligation to the past, to the present, and to the future. I think it is the sense of responsibility and obligation that drives M\u0101ori, that is one of the key drivers of M\u0101ori determination, to see our grievances settled and to see wrongs put right. I think it is important to continue to recognise that, and to, perhaps, reflect that it is a very complex matter, and complex situations and relationships have evolved over time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EThe legislation speaks of restoring ownership of certain maunga and motu, and that is the word we do not often see\u2014\u201Cownership\u201D. That is about as strong a statement as one could wish to see in a piece of legislation related to te Tiriti breaches over time. It provides mechanisms by which iwi and hap\u016B can exercise mana whenua and kaitiakitanga. And, of course, we have the trustee model and the other various and quite complex mechanisms by which the spirit and the intention of this bill would be implemented. It talks about the first refusal regime, which will enable those iwi and hap\u016B to build an economic base for their members. That is a critically important part of this whole\u2014the fact that we are tired of hearing about M\u0101ori at the wrong end of all the social statistics. Empowering M\u0101ori by putting back into their hands the means to build an economic base in a M\u0101ori way and in a way that serves the interests, the beliefs, and the values of M\u0101oridom is a very powerful part of this legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EIt is very timely, and I am personally pleased, as I am sure we all are, that this legislation is being passed today. This Parliament is very close to its end. There are only 3 more sitting days. Again, the submission from the collective last year made a note that there is a significant opportunity cost. Any delay in passing this legislation would put back the time at which the iwi and hap\u016B can begin to build their economic base, as well as having their mana whenua status acknowledged. So it is good. It is a pleasure, genuinely, to see this passing before the expiry of this Parliament. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EIt is probably hard to overestimate the significance of some of the maunga and the motu that are dealt with in this legislation, not only to M\u0101ori but to the sense of identity, the sense of place, of all Aucklanders and, indeed, all New Zealanders. I think you would be hard pressed to think of a single more iconic or more representative landscape feature to all Aucklanders than Rangitoto. It is, in my view at least, the singly defining feature of that area, of that city, and of that region. I think that the other maunga, the cones, the motu, Motutapu Island Recreation Reserve, Maungawhau, and Takarunga are places with which Aucklanders identify very closely\u2014Aucklanders M\u0101ori, P\u0101keh\u0101, tauiwi. These are places that define what it means to be a resident in that place and to feel some attachment to it. So I think the importance of the ways in which this settlement, this redress bill, has advanced is very difficult to overestimate. It has put in place the mechanisms, as I said. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EIt is the outcome of some very, very hard work, I suspect, over time for a lot of parties. I think I commented at the earlier reading that although on the one hand I would very much like to have been on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, I also recognise that it would have been a significant challenge to the members of that select committee to shepherd this legislation through in a way that continued to be acceptable to all parties\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003E I acknowledge the work of the select committee and, indeed, of the Minister in successfully bringing this to the House in a form that I believe will be acceptable to all parties. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e959f20f-3de7-4f54-8577-8ea78d72c3dd\u0022\u003EA great deal of work has been done, but in another very important way the work really is only beginning, and that has been alluded to by a number of speakers. The collective has a significant task ahead of it, as does the council and as do other stakeholders in this\u2014the NGOs, the Department of Conservation, and so on\u2014all of the people who will have to continue in a spirit of cooperation to ensure that the spirit and the letter of this legislation is implemented in a timely fashion and in a way that does serve the collective good, the good of the most. So on behalf of the Greens I reiterate our absolute and enthusiastic support for this legislation. We offer our very best wishes to all of those for whom the work is just beginning. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022 data-id=\u00228e3d0369311540ec9ecb2a9c7b574b8d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228e3d0369311540ec9ecb2a9c7b574b8d\u0022\u003EHon TAU HENARE (National):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Assistant Speaker. How bloody appropriate that I stand in the House for the last time and before the Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau Collective Redress Bill. As a born and bred Aucklander from the huge suburb of \u014Ctara for the first 20-odd years, and then the last 30-odd years out in the west, I think it is appropriate\u2014for me, anyway\u2014to talk about the passing of this redress bill. I will not traverse the finer points of the legislation here, but I will make some hopefully pertinent points along the way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EThank God that Rangitoto is not the Sky Tower, or thank God that the Sky Tower is not the icon of Auckland. The icon of Auckland is Rangitoto. When people see it, they know it is us; they know it is Auckland. Can I make a bold statement\u2014that would be something new\u2014that overseas they actually take pride in having two names for a street, for a football stadium, or for an area. All we need to do is look at Wales. Why is it so hard for us to get our heads around it? Why is it so hard for us to recognise that it is mana-enhancing, to take a line from the M\u0101ori Party, for an area and for a nation? If we want to be big players in the world, then should we not be the ones who are leading, instead of looking around for somebody to follow? We can do this here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EThe bold statement is that all the people who are listed on page 19 of the bill\u2014\u201CNg\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki; Ng\u0101ti Maru; Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa; Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho; Ng\u0101ti Tamater\u0101; Ng\u0101ti Te Ata; Ng\u0101ti Whanaunga; Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara; Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei; Te \u0100kitai Waiohua; Te Kawerau \u0101 Maki; Te Patukirikiri; and hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua other than Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara and Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei, whose members are beneficiaries of Te R\u016Bnanga o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, including Te Tao\u016B not descended from Tuperiri\u201D\u2014all those people are the original urban M\u0101ori. We think it is the Manukau Urban M\u0101ori Authority and we think it is Te Wh\u0101nau o Waipareira Trust. Guess what? It is you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EAs a long-time resident and continuing to be a long-time resident of T\u0101maki Makaurau, personal thanks for having me, because that is actually what it is all about. It is about recognition. It is about recognition of the people who are there, the mountains, the rivers, the lakes, and even the little streams that run at the back of your property. It is recognising that there is actually a history that has gone before; that it did not just start on Monday. It started thousands of years ago, and we should revel in it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EYes, it is going to be a hard task for the city council and the collective to move in the direction that the bill sets out, but is that harder than what the Gazan people are facing today? No, it is actually very, very easy, and with a bit of goodwill from everybody, the Crown included, these things can work and they can work for the benefit of the nation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EI want to thank a couple of people in the audience: Lillian Tahuri, who was my executive assistant when I was a Minister and kept me out of trouble, and also Glenn Webber, who cut his teeth in my office, and now he has gone on to better things, hopefully. On a personal basis it is sad that I will not be part of the ongoing Treaty settlement parts of this House, because I actually think that is something that the House itself\u2014not this Government and not the Opposition, but the House\u2014should be proud of; that we can work through a series of issues in front of us and come up with a generally accepted way forward. There is always going to be somebody outside the circle throwing stones and saying: \u201CNo, this is not the right way to do it.\u201D But, generally, the nation supports the work of iwi M\u0101ori and the Crown. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003ECan I just talk briefly about one part of that process, and that is the select committee process. I find it abhorrent that people who come to the House and get stuck into bits and pieces of a bill do not partake in the select committee process.You know, I admire people who front up to the select committee. Whether they are MPs or not, they front up to the select committee and they give their point of view, so no one can accuse them of never espousing what they really think. But to come into the House and purely and simply, for publicity purposes, screw it up\u2014even the historical background that some people quote\u2014is absolutely wrong. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EMy wish is that the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee goes on with its work in the way that we have done it for the last however long. It has been a highlight of my career to be chairperson of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. I have been on the select committee since 1993. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002206652db50c064b04b06d5dcdcd61dbf2\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019ll be back.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c64ce1539bb47188c52284407700017\u0022\u003EHon TAU HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I could be\u2014whatever party is going, I suppose. I see the M\u0101ori Party is in trouble, so maybe; I do not know. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ecf710cd50a7423c86866e09151da950\u0022\u003EMaggie Barry\u003C/span\u003E: The Greens are beckoning. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224682747be7e44a18b886c21d15c79ca2\u0022\u003EHon TAU HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: Oh no, not the Greens. My wish is for the House to carry on its good work in a very timely manner and also in a very collegial manner. I wish all my colleagues from everywhere in the House\u2014I have enjoyed your company; yes, everybody\u2019s company, even Trevor\u2019s.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002270fa4cbd-9380-4916-9f2a-78da059d220e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022763003c1cf1a45a9a5e8e1811d5da7bb\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson)\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022021f35ed58c24704ac4b577392978b8c\u0022\u003EHon TAU HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: Even the Hon Trevor Mallard\u2019s. I do say this, though, in all honesty: I do hope that we look at the power of select committees. We must move away from being just a rubber stamp. I think giving select committees the ability to manoeuvre more would be a good thing. We need to look at some of the other nations around the world. But I am sure that will happen one day. N\u014D reira, aku mihi ki a koutou katoa e aku t\u0113ina me aku tu\u0101kana. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou kei a koutou T\u0101maki-makau-rau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003E[And so, my accolades to you all, younger and older siblings of mine, and to you collectively, Auckland.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002251dfea20-2244-4fc7-bd7d-ebf7a98580e1\u0022\u003EBig ups. Go the Blues. Go Queensland. I will see you later. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u00224a954a6e2be943dea569cdaa8341fe42\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224a954a6e2be943dea569cdaa8341fe42\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD (Labour\u2014Te Atat\u016B):\u003C/span\u003E E ng\u0101 mana whenua o T\u0101maki, nau mai, haere mai ki te Whare P\u0101remata e takat\u016B nei. E ng\u0101 rangatira huri noa i te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E[Welcome to you, the ones who have territorial rights over the land of T\u0101maki, welcome to the House of Representatives, waiting here in readiness. To you esteemed ones throughout the House, greetings and accolades to you collectively and to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EI want to greet the 13 iwi and hap\u016B who are here today, to congratulate you and the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, the negotiators and the officials, and the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and even the Hon Tau Henare, on all the work that has got the Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau Collective Redress Bill to this final stage. As an Aucklander and as Labour\u2019s Auckland issues spokesperson, I am very happy to be able to take a call in this debate. Labour welcomes and celebrates this important milestone in our city\u2019s postcolonial history. Notwithstanding the progress of individual iwi claims, this bill\u2014which is dealing with 15 of the volcanic cones, four islands in the gulf, and the lands in between\u2014recognises the collective and shared interests of the iwi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003ET\u0101maki-makau-rau, as our country\u2019s biggest city, faces some big challenges, as we debate almost every day in this House. We have to catch up on an infrastructure deficit that has left us with a public transport system in desperate need of upgrading. We have not been building enough houses, and the shortage has driven house prices beyond the reach of ordinary people. The city\u2019s economy is producing neither enough jobs nor enough good, well-paid jobs for our young population. But I suggest that laying the foundations of an inclusive, democratic society based on a shared sense of fairness and a collective stake in our future prospects is just as important, if not more important, than the more bricks-and-mortar tasks of improving our built environment, fixing infrastructure, and growing the economy. Settling the Treaty claims of T\u0101maki-makau-rau is the starting point for building that inclusive, democratic society. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EFor me personally, the story of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o \u014Cr\u0101kei from colonisation through to the post-settlement era has been one of the defining stories of Auckland. As a young man who watched amazed as the Government of the day sent the troops in to remove Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua and their allies from Bastion Point in 1978, I can say that it was an honour to be in the Chamber 35 years later for the passage of the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei Claims Settlement Act. Knowing that history and understanding the experience of tangata whenua over a couple of centuries is essential to knowing and understanding the city we live in, the places that we move through each day, the people we live alongside. A commitment to settling these historic claims is, for me, a must-do if we are to move forward together with M\u0101ori fully engaged in the life and the economy of our city. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003ESo it is about justice and addressing past wrongs, but, equally important, this process is about ensuring that M\u0101ori are at the table exercising leadership, whether it is in the governance institutions, the board rooms, the media, or as advocates, environmentalists\u2014in any and every walk of life. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThe transition from grievance to Treaty claim to settlement and post-settlement might seem like a long process to some people, but the journey of the T\u0101maki Collective actually shows, I think, how rapidly the shift has occurred from claim to settlement to post-settlement. The collective\u2019s role as an investor and developer in the Weymouth housing project is a symbol of that, and great to see. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThinking about the future of Auckland, I believe that one of the biggest challenges we face is how to unleash the talents and the energy of our young people and our increasingly youthful and brown population. It is they who are too often not getting the best out of the education system, too often trapped in the lowest-paid jobs, unable to own their own homes, struggling to break through, and feeling on the outer. Successful leadership of our city over the next generation will tap into our young, brown, mega-diverse Polynesian city, and build an economy and an identity that sees this, and the extraordinary creativity and energy that it brings, as an asset and not as a liability. For me, settling the historic claims is an important building block for that vision. I see in the gallery Mayor Len Brown with Councillor Penny Webster, and I want to acknowledge the mayor\u2019s commitment to that agenda. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003ESecondly, this bill vests 14 of the region\u2019s maunga in the iwi collective, to be managed under a co-governance regime. Four of the motu\u2014Rangitoto, Motutapu, Motuihe, and Tiritiri M\u0101tangi\u2014will also be part of a vesting arrangement that recognises the iwi and hap\u016B\u2019s special association with them. The maunga and the motu\u2014they are taonga for all our people. They are an inseparable part of what Auckland means, and of who and what we are as a city. This morning on Radio New Zealand Ng\u0101rimu Blair put it beautifully when he said: \u201CThey represent the places where our people lived, where they loved, where they were buried, where they cried, and where they fought.\u201D This amazing field of volcanoes is a daily part of life in Auckland, and at any given moment when you look up, your gaze will just as likely fall on one of the maunga. They are how we navigate our way around the city streets, and they are where we go to show off our city to visitors, or to walk and reflect on the day ahead or the day past. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003ERecognising the human settlement of the maunga over centuries before European colonisation is a wonderful way to acknowledge their importance to us. It is completely appropriate that their history should be reflected in co-governance and shared responsibility for the well-being of the maunga. As many have pointed out during the passage of this bill, the maunga have not been as well looked after as they should have been. It is my hope that this new co-responsibility will lead to a greater overall commitment to protecting and enhancing the maunga, making it easier for the public and visitors to enjoy and understand them, and engaging the local community in that work. I also hope that the work will continue in seeking Unesco World Heritage status for the maunga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003ETo conclude, the passage of this bill is something to celebrate, and as a fellow Aucklander I salute the hap\u016B and iwi of the T\u0101maki Collective and congratulate you on this achievement. It is always a great pleasure to be a participant in the legislative process of Treaty settlements. I know that they are no picnic for those who do the work on them, but at this final stage of the process the settlements are something we as New Zealanders can be truly proud of. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022 data-id=\u002224efd058057044449427720525207199\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002224efd058057044449427720525207199\u0022\u003EHon Peseta SAM LOTU-IIGA (Minister of Pacific Island Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Assistant Speaker. T\u0101maki Makaurau, T\u0101maki Herenga Waka, T\u0101maki Herenga Tangata me ng\u0101 iwi o T\u0101maki a Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, a Ng\u0101ti Maru, a Ng\u0101ti Paoa, a Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, a Ng\u0101ti Tama Te R\u0101, a Ng\u0101ti Te Ata, a Ng\u0101ti Whanaunga, a Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua-o-\u014Cr\u0101kei, a Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua-o-Kaipara, a Te \u0100titai Wai\u014Dhua, a Te Kawerau-\u0101-Maki, a Te R\u016Bnanga o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, a Te Patu Kirikiri, nau mai, haere mai ki Te Whare P\u0101remata.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E[T\u0101maki of a hundred lovers, T\u0101maki the mooring place of many canoes and people, and the tribes of T\u0101maki, Ng\u0101i Tai at T\u0101maki, Ng\u0101ti Maru, Ng\u0101ti Paoa, Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, Ng\u0101ti Tama Te R\u0101, Ng\u0101ti Te Ata, Ng\u0101ti Whanaunga, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua of \u014Cr\u0101kei, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua of Kaipara, Te \u0100titai Wai\u014Dhua, Te Kawerau of Maki, the Council of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua, Te Patu Kirikiri, welcome to Parliament House, welcome.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EIt is an honour to be able to stand and support the Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau Collective Redress Bill, a bill that gives effect to the deed of settlement between the Crown and the T\u0101maki Collective and recognises the interests of iwi and hap\u016B in the T\u0101maki-makau-rau maunga. Before I outline the benefits of this bill for the taonga that are to be protected and preserved into the future, I want to recognise the hard work that has gone on in the past, particularly my colleagues the Hon Chris Finlayson and the Hon Pita Sharples and the work that they have done, and also the Hon Nanaia Mahuta and all those across the House, because this is a bill that is widely supported. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EIt is reflected also in the people who have journeyed here today from the north. I see many from local iwi and hap\u016B, as well as civic leaders. May I salute you all. T\u0101maki-makau-rau is, of course, 25 percent of all remaining Treaty of Waitangi claims. It is a multicultural, diverse area in our nation\u2019s largest city with a sprawling geography where Treaty claims are complex. It is also the place I call home. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EDespite the complexity of this claim, the Government has successfully and across parties increased the speed at which these negotiations have been conducted and concluded. It is a move to ensure that M\u0101ori interests are truly captured and that M\u0101ori have an economic, social, and aspirational road map going forward. It is a drive to provide real-time solutions that are good not only for M\u0101ori but also for the rest of us New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EWe have heard that the 14 maunga in the T\u0101maki Collective referred to by the colleagues will be held in trust for the common benefit of iwi and hap\u016B within the collective and also for the people of T\u0101maki-makau-rau. I am particularly pleased that maunga will be vested as reserves with public access by third parties protected. This will be guaranteed for generations to come. Co-governance arrangements will continue, and we know that there is a history of such arrangements being positive. There have been issues, of course, but I am confident that these will be durable over the annals of time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EI am here as a champion of the people of Maungakiekie where two of the maunga are located: Maungarei, or Mount Wellington, and Maungakiekie, or One Tree Hill. M\u0101ori used Maungarei as a p\u0101, or hill, for many centuries. Maungakiekie got its name as the mountain of the kiekie vine, and it was one of the largest and most important M\u0101ori p\u0101 in pre-European times. This particular maunga of course holds significance for the local community of Maungakiekie and it is symbolic for the people of T\u0101maki-makau-rau, but it is also iconic to our nation of Aotearoa New Zealand. With the third reading of this bill today the possibility of replanting a tree on Maungakiekie is within reach. It has taken a while to get here, but the interests and aspirations of iwi and hap\u016B have been paramount in getting to this point. They treasured this maunga well before it was One Tree Hill and they are the definitive guardians of Maungakiekie. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EI am proud that the Government has been able to come to a settlement when previous negotiations have been stalled. This third reading today means that certainly I can go back to my community and tell them that the future of their maunga is secure. Maungakiekie and Maungarei are more than just names. When I travel, not just as an MP but as a Minister, people ask me about the maunga and how it defines my community and also our city and our nation. It is a symbolic fixture on the nation\u2019s mind. It is an international drawcard. It has been captured in a famous song by U2, of course, and it is a major attraction as it stands. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EThe potential for us to showcase this taonga for the appreciation of the world is unlimited. Of course, the Auckland volcanic field can now be nominated as a World Heritage site and I know that there is work going on for a feasibility study on an application for this to occur. It aligns with the purpose of the Treaty settlements. The new Maunga Authority will be our gateway to the interests of these maunga, consisting of iwi and council representatives. It will govern the iconic Auckland maunga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003EI want to end by just saying that I hosted a number of young leaders from One Tree Hill College with their principal, Mr Coughlan, this morning. They were all fresh-faced and young and reflected the face of T\u0101maki-makau-rau. There are many M\u0101ori, P\u0101keh\u0101, Pacific, Asian and other ethnicities. These young people were well aware of the history of their home, as I am, and we will never forget our history, particularly our M\u0101ori tradition and the injustices that went with that history. However, in remembering those who have passed and gone on, we can also anticipate our future, and that was seen in the children of One Tree Hill College today. This bill is exciting for our city and my community. It aims to redress past hurts, but is always forward facing. It is a real solution to real issues and I support this bill unreservedly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u0022e6097e8454b44b1897b3f24fd92ffcd1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e6097e8454b44b1897b3f24fd92ffcd1\u0022\u003EMEKA WHAITIRI (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te Kaiwhakahaere o te Whare. E ng\u0101 mana whenua o T\u0101maki-makau-rau, nau mai, haere mai ki t\u014D koutou Whare. N\u014D koutou te r\u0101 me te w\u0101. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e hui tahi nei i te Whare ki te whakamana i \u0113nei ker\u0113me i t\u0113nei pire. E tautoko ana ahau i ng\u0101 mihi ki ng\u0101 mana whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. Welcome to the ones who have territorial rights over land in Auckland, welcome to your House. The time and day is yours. Greetings to you assembled together here in the House to give effect to these claims in this bill. I endorse the accolades accorded to those who have territorial rights over land in Auckland.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIt gives me great privilege and I am proud to stand in support of this third and final reading of this bill, the Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau Collective Redress Bill. Can I say again a warm welcome to our visitors in the gallery today and to the families who are joining us via TV or listening through the radio. Like previous speakers have said, this is a great day not just for the people of T\u0101maki but for the nation in seeing a collective redress settlement like we have in front of us today. Just to recap: \u201CThis Bill gives effect to certain matters as contained in the deed entered into by the Crown and Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau (the collective deed). Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau is the collective name for the following 13 iwi and hap\u016B, each of which have historic Treaty claims in T\u0101maki Makaurau: Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki: Ng\u0101ti Maru: Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa: Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho: Ng\u0101ti Tamater\u0101: Ng\u0101ti Te Ata: Ng\u0101ti Whanaunga; Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua o Kaipara: Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei: Te \u0100kitai Waiohua: Te Kawerau \u0101 Maki: Te Patukirikiri:\u201D, and Te R\u016Bnanga o Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u201CThe collective deed provides collective redress for the shared interests of Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau in relation to specified t\u016Bpuna maunga (volcanic cones), motu (islands) and lands within T\u0101maki Makaurau. It does not settle any historic claims. Instead, settlement of the historical claims of each iwi and hap\u016B comprising Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau is progressing, and in some cases has been completed, through individual negotiations with the Crown. However, the collective redress provided by the collective deed will ultimately form part of each of these individual iwi and hap\u016B settlements. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ENegotiations for collective redress in respect of the shared interests have been underway since July 2009. On 12 February 2010, Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau and the Crown signed a Framework Agreement that included redress in relation to the following: vesting of certain maunga and co-governance with the Auckland Council over those maunga; and a long-term right of first refusal over land held by the Crown in T\u0101maki Makaurau; and a process for resolving historic Treaty claims relating to motu and harbours. On 5 November 2011, Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau and the Crown signed a Record of Agreement confirming the agreements reached on collective redress to be provided for in a deed. The deed was initialled on 7 June 2012 and first signed on 8 September 2012. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThe Crown and iwi and hap\u016B leaders of Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau look forward to implementing the deed and legislation, along with the specific settlements, and hope that these will create a platform for the enduring relationships envisaged by Te Tiriti o Waitangi.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ELike all Treaty claims, there are unique qualities about this one. One that clearly sets this claim apart from all others is getting 13 hap\u016B and iwi groups to the table. As a former negotiator of Rongowhakaata claims, I note that we had 13 negotiators sitting around the table. We, unlike you, could settle in a collective settlement, so I take my hat off to you all that you were able to persevere and stay at the table. I know that there would have been some compromising along the way, but here we are. This bill represents your effort and your commitment to seeing this day to its fullest extent and the passing of this important piece of legislation. So I want to acknowledge you and your fortitude and your commitment to the mahi and getting us here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThe second unique aspect of this bill that stuck out for me is the changing face of T\u0101maki-makau-rau, and I do not mean that in terms of the people who are there, but the changing face and the rightful recognition of mana whenua. The gifting of these maunga and motu back into your care is not just the process of gifting them and setting up governance arrangements; the unique part of this bill that I see, which sticks out for me, is the stories that sit behind those taonga of yours and the sharing of them. I can see the benefit that those stories are going to have for all young people who will be fortunate enough to be schooled in T\u0101maki-makau-rau. So I can see, without a doubt, on that level, that the sharing of your history and your stories through all our schools through T\u0101maki is going to be a benefit to the nation. So I do want to acknowledge that and recognise a unique part of this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThere are people who have obviously resided in T\u0101maki who have spoken passionately about this bill. I have never lived in T\u0101maki myself. I know I have missed out on a lot, but I have paddled in my younger days around the motu of Rangitoto. In my outrigging days we had a crew that went up. It was the largest race in New Zealand. It was called the Hauraki Hoe. It was 70 kilometres, and we would leave from Birkenhead under the harbour bridge and paddle around not just Rangitoto Island but all the outer islands as well. It used to be a 70 kilometre paddle, and I would like to boast that our crew from Wellington that journeyed up there was successful the year I did it. That is my small claim to acknowledging you all in the gallery and the importance of the passing of this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIt would be remiss to not acknowledge colleagues in this House\u2014obviously, the Hon Chris Finlayson for his hard work in getting us here today, and my colleagues on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, ably chaired by the Hon Tau Henare. I want to thank all the officials who helped us get to where we were as a result of the discussions we had at the committee. Just in closing, there are two people here who know T\u0101maki way better than I do who made decisions to move on, and I want to go on record especially to acknowledge them. As a member of Parliament for just over 12 months, I have enjoyed working with them, and they are Claudette Hauiti and Tau Henare. It has been great getting to know you in the short time that I have. I am going to miss you very much and your support around the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, but I know it will not be the last time I see you, and I wish you all the very best. I commend this bill to the House. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022 data-id=\u00226e927896c3054d779ad27a4634887481\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226e927896c3054d779ad27a4634887481\u0022\u003EMAGGIE BARRY (National\u2014North Shore):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe Mr Assistant Speaker. E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e rau rangatira m\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. [Thank you to the authorities, voices, and leaders of a hundredfold. Greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EIt is indeed a historic occasion and a very great honour for me as the member of Parliament for the North Shore to take one of the final calls in today\u2019s debate on the Ng\u0101 Mana Whenua o T\u0101maki Makaurau Collective Redress Bill. It has been a long time coming. I acknowledge all of the people who have worked so hard in making today a reality.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EFor me as a member of Parliament, which includes the area\u2014the republic they call it sometimes\u2014of Devonport, I would have to acknowledge that at times in this process I have felt ashamed of some of the people in my electorate with some of the attitudes that they have displayed. I think that Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei have done a tremendous job of being a good member of our community and of being good neighbours, and if this sense of acknowledgment is not forthcoming from that community, please accept it from me today as your elected representative; you are very welcome. The exciting housing developments and other initiatives that I have been briefed on by Ng\u0101rimu Blair and others are ones that will aid all of us, help all of us, and make us stronger in our community. For that I am very grateful and I am very grateful for your presence and what you give to us in this community. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EI spoke at the final reading of the Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua \u014Cr\u0101kei bill and I am very pleased to see that Grant Hawke is here today in very good health and in very good form, because on that particular day it was not the case. So I am very pleased to see you here in good health this afternoon. I thank you for all the work that you have done as well. I would like to echo the sentiments of Kelvin Davis, expressed earlier. In case of Takarunga, my own Mount Victoria, this is a Treaty settlement process that does not stop people from coming in to enjoy the maunga and the places that are treasured for us. It is access for all New Zealanders, and I echo what he said\u2014that it is not exclusive ownership and that the gift of sharing is something we can all learn from. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EAs the chair of the Local Government and Environment Committee, we have heard from Kaik\u014Dura about te korowai process, which is all about gifts and gains and the collaborative approach, and we have much to learn from these things as P\u0101keh\u0101 and as legislators in this House of Representatives. As far as I am concerned today, I would just like to add to what others have said before me very eloquently that these are very important and significant occasions, and I thank all of you for the energy and effort that you have put in, arriving at this time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the negotiators for the iwi, the indefatigable Mike Dreaver. I would also like to make a tribute to the Hon Chris Finlayson, who as our Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations said at the outset of this debate that Treaty settlements take courage and they take perseverance. Is that not the truth? He would know; he has signed 43 deeds of settlement since November 2008. He also said that this process today marks the end of the beginning. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EThis is a redress bill but it is a very important and significant step and it is, I think, a very good outcome. There is much more to be done, and we will do it. There is cross-party cooperation around this, and we have the tenacity and the determination as a Parliament to see this through and to process these historic Treaty claims. In closing, I would say that I commend this bill unreservedly to the House. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u002286b70887c8624762873a80fe8274c71d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286b70887c8624762873a80fe8274c71d\u0022\u003EALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe. Kia ora t\u0101tou katoatoa, kia orana e Te Manea me t\u014D t\u0101tou tangata whenua. \u0100, ko au te tangata n\u014D Te Moana-nui-a-Kiwa, n\u014D Rarotonga, n\u014D Mangaia, n\u014D Aitutaki. Te patene i a koe me tia tangata, tuakana me t\u014Dt\u014D, ra\u2019i ki toto i t\u0113nei \u2019are, t\u014D P\u0101remata. My petition to you is that this boy from Rarotonga\u2014t\u014Dku pito ki roto Aotearoa nei\u2014ko au an\u014D ki toto o Aotearoa. Even though I was born here, my pito is here, my wh\u0101nau and my family come from the islands of Manuae, Rarotonga, Aitutaki, and Mangaia as well. So it is an honour to stand here today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI have a very short call with a very small story about the day that I arrived in Glen Innes and Panmure. A friend and I used to run up Maungarei, Mount Wellington, in the early hours of the morning to say our karakias and to run around the community to hear what the tuakana would say to us. As we did, I remember that as I was on top of Maungarei, I looked across and I could see our community, and I wondered what they saw. I could see many things that were happening in that place. I could see the land of opportunity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI remember that I came away, and I said to my wife one morning: \u201CYou know, what came to me was the whole aspect of Joshua and the city of Jericho, and that he was given a call and a mandate to take the city, as big as it was.\u201D She laughed at me and thought it was just a pipe dream. Then I just happened to have the book by Kate Holloway, a historian, called Maungarei, and as I read the book I fell over. I looked at it, and I said to my wife: \u201CLook at this.\u201D What she had done is that in order to date Maungarei, the only thing she could do was date it to the time when the city of Jericho was actually built, historically. So I said there must be a significance here. As I retold the story, it simply said this: that at one time in one place Joshua was given a call from above to go and to take the city, impregnable as it was. The command was to walk around the city and at one point in time to sound the trumpet and with one voice\u2014one united voice\u2014the city walls would come down and they could take the city. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe vision that I had on that maunga of Maungarei was the fact that the spirit of unity, as we hear from Psalm 133, is that when people are united with one voice, then there is a blessing that flows and the ability to take the inheritance that is theirs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI simply tell that story for this reason\u2014because even on the maungas that we are talking about today, what we hear is because of one purpose and one mind, the spirit of unity is what unites us, and our prayer is that out of this there is more than just the acceptance of the redress but the opportunity, the potential, for our communities, for our wh\u0101nau, to be able to do this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI want to salute you and acknowledge you. Maybe this boy from Rarotonga has a voice and a sense of the connection to our t\u016Bpuna, to our tuakana, to say that when we are with one voice and of one purpose then we truly do experience the potential in what we have come to know as the blessings that will come from this. N\u014D reira, kia mi\u2019i ki a t\u0101tou\u2014there goes my buzzer\u2014ka mutu t\u014D t\u0101tou tuatua ki roto t\u0113nei leo. Kia orana e Te Manea.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20140723ff4c2d8d9b824a8795e49a2b077243d0000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 12.52.p.m. (Thursday)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"