"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022acc071f6a41043ecb8135f9e7a30a298\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 7 APRIL 2016\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002271af4fb7ee284b568b813095a2b5b8ab\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 7 APRIL 2016\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000002\u0022\u003EMr Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022934d390bfae74269ae9b2f5ef219ef9a\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022571d2cbaec6b42688aa01bdf3e631bc2\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022ca6b35f33d1744e99bac1dc79c4ad445\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ca6b35f33d1744e99bac1dc79c4ad445\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E When the House resumes on Tuesday, 12 April the Government will look to make progress on the Taxation (Residential Land Withholding Tax, GST on Online Services, and Student Loans) Bill, the annual review debate, and a number of other bills on the Order Paper.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u00227a7da5e53ec141f2b93333821138288f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227a7da5e53ec141f2b93333821138288f\u0022\u003ECHRIS HIPKINS (Senior Whip\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I wonder whether the Leader of the House could inform us whether it is still the Government\u2019s intention to extend the sitting on Wednesday into Thursday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022ef365b75ccd34d03a7ca6d4124e2b578\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ef365b75ccd34d03a7ca6d4124e2b578\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E It is, indeed, the Government\u2019s intention\u2014in fact, it is the Business Committee\u2019s intention. I thought it was not worth repeating something that, clearly, the member would have told his other members will actually happen on that day. But there will be three bills debated that particular day. They are all settlement bills, following what is becoming, I think, quite a positive pattern in the House, using extended sittings to achieve those particular results.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223d74d54625194f30a7f6814b897ccf21\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022410318ce3c3e4d67a9a2775e01ea3c9e\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022701ef4e26647440887e34e836cd11161\u0022\u003EGovernment Investment Projects\u2014Performance Report\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022 data-id=\u0022e0a910092ac24e3d899e7d46abbec945\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e0a910092ac24e3d899e7d46abbec945\u0022\u003EALASTAIR SCOTT (National\u2014Wairarapa)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What reports has he received about the management of the Government\u2019s major investment projects?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u00222227f1a04776438fb2e538b9cc7ff506\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222227f1a04776438fb2e538b9cc7ff506\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E The Government has a large pipeline of investment projects, and today we released the second performance report, for the July-October 2015 quarter. This report provides an update on the 41 most complex Government projects and advises on the extent to which they are delivering on expectations. These projects are valued at $18.5 billion out of a total portfolio of a $76 billion lifetime cost of investment. This demonstrates the Government\u2019s commitment to increase transparency and accountability. In fact, I do not think any Government before in New Zealand has introduced this kind of transparency around its major investments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e17fa3b922e144cf8fbfa09cf2c3d13d\u0022\u003EAlastair Scott\u003C/span\u003E: What improvements to the portfolio does this performance report show?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eeaabf7ffd0f4b8381fe0543644638e0\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: These 41 projects are being delivered by 22 different agencies. They are assessed on a five-point scale. The performance of the portfolio has improved since the last period; 54 percent of the projects are now green or amber-green, compared with 42 percent in the previous period. Because the report covers the most complex and expensive investments, it is not at all surprising that there are challenges in delivering them, and that is why the ratings for the projects can change over time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c6a242e688647f1854440cd8774f9cc\u0022\u003EAlastair Scott\u003C/span\u003E: What steps has the Government taken to improve transparency and accountability around the performance of the most complex of these projects?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b90eb0b620cb4b14baef4994d3018237\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: This report is released three times a year. There is some delay to allow for commercial sensitivities around negotiations to pass. It complements the annual report on managing Government investment projects, which covered the $6.4 billion of annual Government spending on all 409 investments that the Government is making. So we have one project covering the 41 most complex and most challenging, and another report that covered the whole 400-plus projects, showing the size of the pipeline of Government investment and the thorough accountability for how well taxpayers\u2019 money is spent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223bb4e61166b645ef90ddf8a8e0451a28\u0022\u003EAlastair Scott\u003C/span\u003E: How can greater transparency and accountability support the better management of the Government\u2019s major investment projects?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002282b5522d61b8467899ab55d74c64a238\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: There is no doubt that the publication of assessments of the projects has helped focus the minds, particularly of officials. I want to acknowledge the efforts of hundreds of Government officials who are dealing with a range of complex projects from the Christchurch rebuild through to large-scale defence procurement, who, in my view, are performing better than pretty well any other developed country in the world in delivering large, complex projects on time and generally within budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221e0f9d6d8080441e9e4e537143faf0e1\u0022\u003EHealth Services\u2014Elective Surgery Access\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022 data-id=\u0022cd9d3d78368a47fea386aee006edf3d1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cd9d3d78368a47fea386aee006edf3d1\u0022\u003EHon ANNETTE KING (Deputy Leader\u2014Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: Does he agree with the New Zealand Medical Journal article dated 1 April 2016 which states research undertaken shows patients undergoing primary elective total hip and knee replacements in Otago in 2014 were more severely disabled than patients between 2006 and 2010; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022 data-id=\u0022c24649d7a980477f8eb9bb5504d848af\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c24649d7a980477f8eb9bb5504d848af\u0022\u003EHon Peseta SAM LOTU-IIGA (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister of Health: I cannot say whether I agree or disagree with that article in its entirety. There are some very complex data within the article and there is an ever-increasing need for more knee and hip operations. Southern has done very well with orthopaedic surgery, with it being up 41 percent in the last 7 years\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b47b3304afd74f80a517d9a314f03e13\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: How much?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291f36d0fa4854910b7794769e513f8e9\u0022\u003EHon Peseta SAM LOTU-IIGA\u003C/span\u003E: \u201441 percent. And the number of hip and knee surgeries in the Southern District Health Board region has not decreased. In fact, it has gone up 10 percent. But, as always, they can always do better.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022faae9028f2294ccab293930920c1eb3a\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with the findings from the same research, that patients currently being returned to their GP without an operation would have qualified for publicly funded surgery between 2006 and 2010; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022101d257c99254f83a8645f24b2fc8b41\u0022\u003EHon Peseta SAM LOTU-IIGA\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I cannot verify that, but from the report the problems\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220de5167ce9be44c2892dcf27f095c5c9\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s in the research.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226fd793694f13476780c2ef61cbef209d\u0022\u003EHon Peseta SAM LOTU-IIGA\u003C/span\u003E: From the report the problems are longstanding in that in 2006 there was a well-publicised cull of patients, and that member will know that there were 30,000 patients culled nationwide.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b14f995fe3fc431f9efff2540a9543de\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: Does he recall research published in the New Zealand Medical Journal 18 months ago that showed 36 percent of patients recommended for hip and knee replacements were referred back to their GP without surgery because of a lack of funding, and now, with this latest research, will he finally admit that the health budget is not meeting cost pressures or demand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ddc2023cb89a48509776f9d08874ec9b\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Either of those two supplementary questions\u2014the Hon Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291b52e545ee9435ca5dfa5c689c78f1f\u0022\u003EHon Peseta SAM LOTU-IIGA\u003C/span\u003E: That member knows that health spending has gone up by over $4 billion since this National Government took the Treasury benches. She also knows that there are 50,000 more surgeries done per year since 2008. In fact, in the southern region that member will know that hip and knee replacements are up by 10 percent, orthopaedic surgeries are up by 41 percent, and in the last 6 years\u2014[Interruption]; listen to this\u2014there were over 639 more surgeries done for knee and hip than in the last 6 years of the Labour Government\u2014shameful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a65177f3b6b44eb790b407d3d912412e\u0022\u003EBarbara Kuriger\u003C/span\u003E: What new initiatives has the Government announced to further improve the quality of life for people suffering muscle and bone pain?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cdcd0bdc2ad64c9db7a81d3543b1c541\u0022\u003EHon Peseta SAM LOTU-IIGA\u003C/span\u003E: That is a good question. As well as delivering more surgeries, we are implementing a new medical early intervention strategy named mobility action teams to help reduce suffering from muscle and bone pain. The Government has invested over $6 million during this term to set up these new mobility action teams. They will be locally driven. They will be made up of a number of health professionals, including GPs, physiotherapists, chemists, and other professionals. Seven mobility action teams have already been selected from 50 proposals, and these will be commencing shortly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be448473de274c8aafdb07ec8512b571\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: Why does he continue to make the misleading claim that there are 50,000 more operations a year being done since National came into power, by including operations performed under Labour\u2019s last Budget, which delivered over 12,000 more in 1 year than his Government has ever achieved?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a16e76605b2e41a59bb45708787edf6c\u0022\u003EHon Peseta SAM LOTU-IIGA\u003C/span\u003E: That member knows the figures, and that member knows, as I have said\u2014I will say it again for that member, in case she did not hear it the first time\u2014there are 50,000 more surgeries. In fact, in terms of hip and knee replacements, which that member asked about earlier, there are 2,000 more today than there ever were under the Labour Government, and she knows it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229364f7dbb7f1438b86b30acded354e15\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: Is the research wrong when it states that a Budget increase from 2016 onwards, which increases the number of hip and knee operations to be performed, is inadequate to match demand, and the problems identified in the study are likely to become increasingly widespread across New Zealand? Direct quotes from the research.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002219faf2c754a94a5c8133f4abae4cf169\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That is a very long question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022785fe89a082d4698a6ea222e7a742fc0\u0022\u003EHon Peseta SAM LOTU-IIGA\u003C/span\u003E: It is a very long question. What I do have from the paper is that it notes\u2014and I want to quote\u2014that there is \u201Cexcess demand in the public sector leading to some form of prioritisation\u201D. But the paper says\u2014and I quote\u2014that \u201Cprioritisation is being implemented effectively\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257389b821ed34beda7682e739647ebd8\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware of the New Zealand joint initiative that ran from 2004 to 2008, which led to a significant increase in the number of joint replacements performed nationally, meaning that fewer New Zealanders were disabled when they received their operations, and that the decline occurred when funding was no longer ring-fenced after the election of a National Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dcec54bd6cd442e6bac31ca552bf6571\u0022\u003EHon Peseta SAM LOTU-IIGA\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I do not have that research to hand, and I do challenge the integrity of some of the figures that she comes up with sometimes. But I will say again that in the southern region, there was a 10 percent increase in hip and knee surgeries over the last 7 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002263b2047818cf43efb4945bca05d51741\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table the research published in the New Zealand Medical Journal, entitled \u201CRationing of hip and knee replacement: effect on the severity of patient \u2026\u201D, dated 1 April. It is not widely available\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224036c065a44e4158a043800acd86af14\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I need no more assistance. I will put the leave. Leave is sought to table that particular document. Is there any objection? There is none. It can be tabled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cde634dd209e4b1a8a2253e8bf94ddb0\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: Does he think that Arthritis New Zealand might know a thing or two about patients waiting in pain and disability for hip and knee operations, and that the problem is not going to go away, as stated by its chief executive, Sandra Kirby, just 6 days ago?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219bcf2ff-a193-4361-9072-813a4e36683c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c489dea1fce4d3ba3f3088e58259636\u0022\u003EHon Peseta SAM LOTU-IIGA\u003C/span\u003E: Sandra Kirby is entitled to her own opinion, but, as I have said time and time again, the number of surgeries has gone up for hip and knee replacements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002209a5b71a-ca7e-4e7c-9e09-f9e63f18aa12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f108d6d799d24763bb0250efd8e3043e\u0022\u003EHon Annette King\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table research published in the New Zealand Medical Journal entitled \u201CThe impact of the 6-month waiting target for elective surgery\u201D, dated 7 November 2014. It is not widely available.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff270313f2414be29e32e530f902aae1\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I will put the leave. Leave is sought to table that particular information. Is there any objection? There is none. It can be tabled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002201adb03f6fab4232bb264eea28ecceb2\u0022\u003ETax System\u2014Overseas Trusts Review, Appointment of John Nash\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u0022ccc944a8bdb045739dc5ad101165db7d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ccc944a8bdb045739dc5ad101165db7d\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader\u2014NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his statements?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u0022adf9a0720a2740ec9e0f118c207f41bd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022adf9a0720a2740ec9e0f118c207f41bd\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Deputy Prime Minister)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Prime Minister: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296460914c2304c029c208a58b2dfa218\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Why does he stand by his statement about New Zealand\u2019s tax haven status, that it is \u201Cnot an embarrassment\u201D and that \u201Cthe Government will not change any tax rules until the IRD has looked at the issue.\u201D, given the same man\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227230e9e4d8134c2fb629c013bf5bf9bf\u0022\u003EHon Steven Joyce\u003C/span\u003E: Is this a question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d2cbabb99e6c4d5a8fc09e2532b5901b\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: You are getting it, sunshine. You just wait.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bfe7ea431df24ac8ab14fb516449b60d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Just complete the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a33089de22b46b0a4a6a144e1c2e539\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014who found there was nothing to see about the wine box, namely John Nash, is again in charge of looking at the rules?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9de8ff3472e43ea8ce95300b5114c88\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: New Zealand does not have \u201Ctax haven status\u201D. Much as the member might want that to be the case, it simply is not. If he is worried about who is looking at the rules, the OECD is apparently going to review our rules again next year, and I expect it will give a somewhat similar opinion as it did last time, which is that our rules\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0be13eb7fcd4064b0dd4e45c19e1c0d\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I am asking this Minister why John Nash is the person looking at the rules. I do not want to hear about anybody else, just why John Nash is being relied upon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd44450a948f47ca8fb5daddd03d6afb\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That should well have been the supplementary question, and I could have helped the member, but that was not the supplementary question. It was a very lengthy supplementary question that gave the Minister more opportunity to answer and address the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002284b8d126cefd42bdb1bab4944ab724b1\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Is John Nash, the Inland Revenue Department\u2019s (IRD) international revenue strategy manager, the same John Nash who admitted in the 1995 commission of inquiry that the IRD did not begin a serious examination of key wine-box transactions until 1 month after a Minister had assured this House that it had?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f27d06dcd0f34d15b5b8646834af0c93\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I have no idea.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226db34596f92b4062ba6a291d37de8d06\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: How much confidence does he have in John Nash\u2019s leading an inquiry by IRD into New Zealand\u2019s involvement in the foreign trusts, when he never understood the wine-box fraud on the revenue and is now being put up as an expert, saying there is no fraud in the Panama Papers transactions in New Zealand; why would you trust that man?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6421ace0da84f3ab909e0d1e71f864d\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: The IRD is a statutorily independent entity. Whatever officials it uses is really its business. But the member can be assured that there are no parallels between the foreign trusts and the Cook Islands thing that he is referring to. In this case, the concerns about tax avoidance are concerns held by the Mexican Government and the Maltese Government, not by the New Zealand Government. There is no suggestion that these trusts are used to erode New Zealand\u2019s tax base, because we cannot tax these people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225d4399781c9a4e31bad85f04a480531f\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Why on earth is the IRD putting up John Nash as some sort of an authority that New Zealand is \u201Ca model citizen in respect of trusts and that of the nearly 12,000 trusts that have been scrutinised, few problems have been found\u201D when his proven lack of expertise is why so many now, internationally, including the economists, think that we are a tax haven?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022350011d7f6034425add296b7972996b8\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: It is unfortunate that the member is resorting to some of his old habits of attacking public servants in a very personal way under the protection of Parliament. I doubt very much that it will influence the expertise or the focus of the IRD in dealing with any relevant issues with regard to these trusts. But I must stress to the member, because he is giving the misleading impression that, somehow, this discussion about foreign trusts is to do with New Zealand taxes and what people pay here\u2014it is not. It is nothing to do with the New Zealand tax base, which is among the most comprehensive and best organised in the developed world.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002242fa1e8e4eb046c093c207496a6a2dfe\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Why, Minister, when the growing scandal is about our being a tax haven, is he seeking to use every other detour or road block to not answer the question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a201d38691e844dbae56dc3461016e83\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: We are not a tax haven. It is really only the Opposition parties in New Zealand that are claiming that. And, secondly, if the member does not understand or respect the constitutional position of the IRD as independent from politicians, then he represents a real danger to future governance in New Zealand, because if he believes the Government should be fingering individual officials on the basis of what the Opposition thinks about them, then this Government has more integrity and principle than that, and will not do it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b027d14637e84ffda66bf0937729709b\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Seeing as he has put the issue of integrity on the table and the Prime Minister has said that the IRD has informed the Aussie authorities\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022918cd7e25c71453da93e1eb6e348b753\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Can I have the supplementary question please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227944c9dc795645939dcb2a0570e93c93\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Well, you are getting it!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022604922fd3576486f948be2051cb5d9b1\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will resume his seat. He will stand and apologise for that remark. I want him to ask supplementary questions in line with the Standing Orders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f7776ada7b814a0e8e2b8d93bc0b8f3e\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b01beed23b64bf0b5725276a717c57a\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, the member will stand\u2014[Interruption] Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4862fdfabbc45faa17799fa98504084\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I am apologising.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002225598c7c86d24ceea8001520c1982618\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6dad252eba243bcb4fd91b93013a309\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. With the greatest of respect, I have been here longer than you, and I know how to ask a question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bee7985342a04e538119b10aa1199309\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will leave the Chamber.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters withdrew from the Chamber. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aebd827bf1ab40babfdcbb2a5237dd5d\u0022\u003ERon Mark\u003C/span\u003E: When the Australian banks are so donkey deep in Panama Papers, appearing 8,948 times, did the IRD share all of those appearances with the Australian tax authorities, and has this Government been aware of that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022596f41575ec9496e91dcaf0f5cfdc00e\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The Hon Bill English, on behalf of the Prime Minister, either of those two\u2014does the member want the question again?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c15e4f51ab649c6ae088aaeee930d22\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: A charitable description of that would be that the question was unclear. I am sure that the IRD has met its obligations to any other Government, because, ultimately, this issue is about other Governments\u2019 policing of their tax partners. If they ask anything of the New Zealand Government and the IRD for cooperation, then my understanding is that the IRD provides them with information.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229e93eb525e50485ebd447cb75cb7c921\u0022\u003EKiwibank\u2014Sale and Repurchasing of Shares\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022 data-id=\u0022444c7409035b48cd8d1272bf56b0ae38\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022444c7409035b48cd8d1272bf56b0ae38\u0022\u003EJAMES SHAW (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What estimates does he have of the cost to the Crown of repurchasing the New Zealand Superannuation Fund\u2019s and ACC Fund\u2019s shares in Kiwibank in 5 years\u2019 time?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u002268565194d5dc4e0fa92e7796e47dafd3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002268565194d5dc4e0fa92e7796e47dafd3\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E There are a number of incorrect assumptions in the question, which I hope I can clarify. There is no automatic sale of the shares in 5 years\u2019 time by the ACC or the Inland Revenue Department or the New Zealand Superannuation Fund. At some point they can exit their investment if they wish, but they cannot do so within 5 years. If they do want to sell their shares after success in growing Kiwibank and increasing its value, then of course they should be appropriately rewarded for that. But we cannot really predict at this stage how successful they will be in growing the value of the bank, nor at what stage they would feel that they wanted to sell the shares. It could be in the 2030s or 2040s, because that is how long those funds will be running.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de6b674eb1d74570afb7b90078a67211\u0022\u003EJames Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: So when he said yesterday that once the 5-year limitation is released if the ACC fund or Superannuation Fund did want to sell their shares back to the Government, and that he would exercise that option, did he make that commitment without any idea what the cost of that would be to the Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b3e6bb2008d42b69eb674cc9a3d3a24\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: We have some idea in that I suppose we would assume that under competent commercial management, Kiwibank would be worth more than the valuation that has been put on it today\u2014around the $500 million mark for 45 percent. But beyond that, the undertaking by the Crown is not conditional. I mean, we are absolutely clear: if there is a right of first refusal, they do have to offer the shares to the Crown, and this Government would buy them regardless of the price. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c811163410d2491d838dab55ddf284a9\u0022\u003EJames Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: Has he seen other estimates that put the likely cost of repurchasing Kiwibank at up to $1.1 billion; and if he was in that position, would he buy back Kiwibank like he promised yesterday?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022faca5abbab844e59a9f8115a96f14a48\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I hope the estimates turn out to underestimate the increase in value of the taxpayers\u2019 investment in Kiwibank\u2014the faster it grows, the better for everybody. In answer to the member\u2019s second question, yes. We said yesterday that if the shares are offered to this Government\u2014if we are the Government in 5 years\u2019 time or 10 years\u2019 time\u2014then we will buy them and that remains the position today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221622bc3b0cfb47edb527cd410bb2baf0\u0022\u003EJames Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: What discount was applied to the valuation of Kiwibank when this proposal was made to sell a stake in it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d68a85e0ff624462bf5661d0078b33a5\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: That is actually quite an interesting question because, in the absence of putting Kiwibank out in the commercial market, we do not really know what its commercial value truly is. So we work with the commercial valuation that was done by the board a couple years ago. The value that it is given now is less than that but, as we learnt from the electricity companies, it could be that neither of those valuations are what the market would be willing to pay. I personally suspect that the market would be willing to pay quite a lot more. The valuation for this transaction has been based on the earnings of the bank, what is happening with Australian bank share prices, and negotiation between the parties. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d5877fa9ece4222bea1348d4c118653\u0022\u003EJames Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: Just to be clear, is the Minister saying that the current $1.1 billion valuation does not represent Kiwibank\u2019s full market value?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5ab1da791294affa7b530647b3f9d27\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: There would be only one way to find that out, which the member would find quite unacceptable, and that is to put it out in the market and see what they are willing to pay\u2014that is the definition of market value. As I understand it, there have been previous valuations of Kiwibank at up to $1.5 billion, and this transaction is being carried out at the lower end of the valuation range.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b40dc35dd1a64b148f6d337c3a423d51\u0022\u003EJames Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: If the Superannuation Fund or ACC wants to sell its shares back to the Government once the 5-year restriction has lifted, will the resale price of those shares be calculated on the same basis as the $1.1 billion valuation, or on the basis of book value, or on the basis of market value?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002275123eee5b254fc3afbc77ae630018e9\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: As we have said, we cannot really apply market value because we do not know what that is, but we would hope for some consistency, I suppose, between how it has been valued now and how it would be valued in the future. Because ACC and the New Zealand Superannuation Fund are driven by getting high returns, naturally enough they are negotiating to try to get the current transaction price low. I imagine that if they come to sell it, and the Government exercises its right to buy, then they will try to get as much as they possibly can so that they can look good as fund managers. That is probably what is going to drive the process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a2867cef3524bde80b73be3a866baaa\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister experienced any feelings of curiosity regarding what the market value might have been?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022085973c1536c4404a2546163e6250885\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: No, none whatsoever; not the slightest bit of curiosity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b9a7e4dd76b49c58b96e7e565647756\u0022\u003EJames Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: Why does he think that a future Government should have to buy back at least a billion dollars\u2019 worth of shares as soon as 5 years from now, just so that he can have $300 million to $350 million today?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225568c558b90942778f2b97d8b6f18566\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: The nature of this transaction is that a Government that wants to retain it in 100 percent ownership will have to do that, but, secondly, it is the Government paying itself. This is, really, a transfer within Government, and in that sense the value does not matter that much because we are doing business with ourselves and any unders or overs are balanced out by the other side of the transaction. In the long run, what will matter most is that the bank is well-run, that it has strong commercial drivers, and that it satisfies its customers\u2019 needs. This deal is well aligned with those objectives, which will help the taxpayer in their investment and which will be good for the hundreds of thousands of customers of Kiwibank. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208dab6bb9a4e44b9af8819a247a23d8c\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: What organisations independent of the Government, if any, provided advice on the valuation of Kiwibank that was in the announcement yesterday?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d67163cc27624592b8d5db0371b8fb2d\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I cannot answer that question in detail. It has been a product of negotiation between New Zealand Post, the Superannuation Fund, and ACC. I presume they had some sort of advice, but it comes down to the price that is acceptable to the parties. It is different from the process we went through with the electricity companies, where the value was set by market demand for the shares. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220fc0aeecef2a49a0aab09b021a849914\u0022\u003EChild, Youth and Family\u2014Reforms\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u0022aca37f62557641cb91dda4e732c876d6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022aca37f62557641cb91dda4e732c876d6\u0022\u003EALFRED NGARO (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Social Development: What recent announcements has she made regarding Child, Youth and Family?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u002291ca0eb6fdce43668a1a4a6d3304338c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002291ca0eb6fdce43668a1a4a6d3304338c\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister for Social Development):\u003C/span\u003E Today I announced major reforms that will see a complete overhaul of Child, Youth and Family. I received a detailed business case from my expert advisory panel making it clear that the current system is broken and must change if we are to get better life outcomes for our most vulnerable children. The overhaul will include establishing a new operating model that intervenes earlier, provides truly effective services and support, and includes the voice of the child in decisions about their care. This is no quick fix, but it is about giving our most vulnerable young people the protection and life opportunities they deserve.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002280f485ea0f0e4027a83d6d99cc5dd0fe\u0022\u003EAlfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: What will the new operating model look like?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd386cc35c7041b4ad87b8c8fadc76bb\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: The new model will focus on five core services: prevention, intensive intervention, care support, and transition support services, as well as youth justice services aimed at preventing reoffending. What is different about the model is that it will move from crisis management to focus on long-term outcomes for vulnerable children and will place their needs and voices at its heart. With funding following the child, the new model will have the ability to directly purchase vital services needed by children, their carers, or families when they need them. We need to stop simply reacting to crises and focus more on harm prevention. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b327ee8df7d478196ebebae14900ebe\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: How much will be reallocated from other Government departments to fund the activities of her proposed new entity, given that the Ministry of Health, for example, is already having to remove frontline staff to resource her struggling children\u2019s teams?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fd8c0d0f466d4956b6b2ce53ab060b68\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: As I explained to the member today when I briefed the Opposition parties, that work is part of\u2014and the Cabinet papers explain it to be part of\u2014a stream of work that will be undertaken this year. The panel has made some estimates in its document, which, again, has been made public, but this Government is going to take the time to work its way through exactly how much will be required from other agencies and how much new money will be needed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022beec3560fd5a4e4d8de0d206568cef20\u0022\u003EAlfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: How will direct purchasing help vulnerable children get access to the services they need?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb31baade23c4c458348c9036905e8bf\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Accessing the right supports and services when they are needed is vital to truly support our vulnerable children. Our staff should not have to negotiate with providers when a service is urgently required for our most vulnerable children. Much like ACC, the new model will have the ability to directly purchase services such as health, education, trauma, and counselling. These services could be purchased from district health boards, education providers, NGOs, and specialist services such as psychologists. We need a system that gets these children the help that they deserve when they need it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002207300597d054431984d1196b9c82f7f5\u0022\u003ETax System\u2014Overseas Trusts and Disclosure Regime\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u002269c4c9fa6ff24d86af2413577063daba\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002269c4c9fa6ff24d86af2413577063daba\u0022\u003EGRANT ROBERTSON (Labour\u2014Wellington Central)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by his statement, \u201CWe have very strict obligations when it comes to disclosure and we meet those obligations. We\u2019re always prepared to look and enhance those obligations and change those if there are recommendations.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u00229d3f33c843cb4751b662c985cb66b984\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229d3f33c843cb4751b662c985cb66b984\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Minister of Revenue)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Prime Minister: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229fa13f48f13b41a299f9cb9e4628f314\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: What action did his Government take following the 2013 report from Transparency International that recommended major changes to trust law and criticised New Zealand\u2019s trust law as an \u201Coverly permissive regime\u201D that allowed \u201Cquestionable activities\u201D to take place?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228433da3186b740df80012ae738e3fe45\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE\u003C/span\u003E: I cannot say what specific actions were taken in response to that 2013 report, but there have been 13 separate initiatives embarked upon to improve disclosure and comply with the OECD guidelines on the prevention of multinational tax avoidance. New Zealand takes those responsibilities very seriously. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c8c626ed7ac4daebc7ea62a5ecf4f9d\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: What was his Government\u2019s response to the Integrity Plus 2013 New Zealand National Integrity System Assessment by Transparency International, which recommended changes to address a lack of a trust registry, weak controls on trusts that allow them to hide beneficial owners, and no transparent reporting mechanism for reporting them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f6ae1a14454646e5abcd66d6ae4fd8e2\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE\u003C/span\u003E: I cannot be sure exactly what the response was but I reject some of the claims made in the Transparency International report around the non-registration of trusts\u2014we do. There are very clear opportunities for the disclosure of detailed information, either on request by other jurisdictions or proactively, at the instance of the Inland Revenue Department (IRD) when it believes it would be in the interests of that jurisdiction. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221cb3bcf9303b435882dfb5e02e09a410\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Is he at all concerned that Transparency International has said that our tax haven structures risk damage to New Zealanders\u2019 well-being, as it undermines our reputation for being corruption-free?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228f6a8c2aba2349cf8ed5a74ae43c252b\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE\u003C/span\u003E: The biggest risk to the reputation of New Zealand is the number of Opposition members who continue to peddle the mischief that New Zealand is a tax haven. There are two attributes to a tax haven: one is a very low or no tax rate, and the other is strict secrecy. If New Zealand was a tax haven, we would not have implemented the 13 separate initiatives to give effect to the sharing of information.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224561757c4ab046a29fffbc500741884c\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave of the House to table this graphic from the Australian Financial Review that says Mossack Fonseca operates\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ce696a6e4c44bf0978530d6946ce3bf\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! No, that information is freely available to members, if they would find it useful. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fbb0134051944ce6bee5d4a89a9d007c\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: When the editorials of almost every daily newspaper in New Zealand, most commentators working in the taxation area, and international journals all say that New Zealand is now a tax haven, does he not think that he should take this issue just a little bit more seriously, or is he just that out of touch?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002249af6d08b46248688ccf41540c304697\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE\u003C/span\u003E: Clearly most of the commentators that are making those claims do not have the level of insight into what IRD is presently doing, and what powers it has to share information. I would suggest that the clients of some of those firms may be very unpleasantly surprised to understand what powers IRD does have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002241eeff989287420297658eaa1b1359dc\u0022\u003EResearch and Development Investment\u20142015 Business Operations Survey\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022 data-id=\u0022d86db2ff32d04103bcc3239c0b267e97\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d86db2ff32d04103bcc3239c0b267e97\u0022\u003EPAUL FOSTER-BELL (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Science and Innovation: What recent reports has he received about increased investment by businesses in research and development?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022 data-id=\u0022394d8727412646a59d118179b93cbda2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022394d8727412646a59d118179b93cbda2\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister of Science and Innovation):\u003C/span\u003E Yesterday Statistics New Zealand released its 2015 Business Operations Survey, which showed that more New Zealand companies are investing in research and development. Business spending on research and development grew by more than 15 percent in 1 year, from $1.25 billion in 2014 to $1.44 billion last year. Business spending on research and development is now 71 percent higher than it was in 2008. We have also seen an increase in the broader innovation rate, with those aiming to come up with better goods and services up from 46 percent in 2013 to 49 percent of companies last year. New Zealand has, historically, had low levels of research and development conducted by businesses compared with most OECD countries, but these numbers confirm that that is now changing and that we are creating a stronger and more diversified economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022459f00a8c1604267a7f0f60c50a64e26\u0022\u003EPaul Foster-Bell\u003C/span\u003E: How is the Government encouraging more business investment in research and development, and what feedback has he received?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f557e2cf8aec47418ac216532f79df3b\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: The numbers released by Statistics New Zealand are very encouraging. They show the positive effect that we are having with our work through Callaghan Innovation, which is the new high-tech innovation hub headquartered here in Wellington. The grants programme is encouraging more investment in research and development, including by businesses\u2014the member will be interested\u2014here in Wellington: Tekron, specialising in providing high-precision GPS; Wipster, a video review and approval platform; and goodnature, which I visited this morning, which is a world leader in resettable pest traps. Importantly, when we came to Government, we recognised that the previous policy of research and development tax credits was not working. Rather than conducting true research and development, in many cases, businesses were simply reclassifying existing expenditure as research and development. The Government\u2019s new approach is delivering real, tangible increases in research and development activity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b12d5b20ae794efa9fbffdbf39f9c590\u0022\u003EPaul Foster-Bell\u003C/span\u003E: Why are more businesses investing in research and development?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297429dd33d314cc98771128aa935dc0b\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: If businesses want to compete internationally, it is important that they continue to innovate by developing high-quality goods and services. We are playing our part through a suite of services including an attractive research and development grants programme, which offers co-investment of up to 20 cents in the dollar on qualifying research and development expenditure. But, fundamentally, it comes down to businesses having confidence to invest in their growth. That is why it was pleasing to see the MYOB Business Monitor research report on Tuesday, which saw confidence in the economy strongly improving among small and medium-sized enterprises. That is consistent with the statistics data yesterday, which showed that the fastest growth in research and development expenditure\u201419 percent in 1 year\u2014was in medium-sized businesses employing 20 to 99 employees.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002292b19551366743f2916f79e62268532d\u0022\u003EEarthquake Commission\u2014Remedial Repairs\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u00227aa7ec604e6c4b5dbcec3fecf74b8c78\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227aa7ec604e6c4b5dbcec3fecf74b8c78\u0022\u003EDr MEGAN WOODS (Labour\u2014Wigram)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister responsible for the Earthquake Commission: What is the total number of complaints lodged with EQC in relation to the Canterbury Home Repair Programme, to date?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022ecce04889a1344f9a3781a54bba1968a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ecce04889a1344f9a3781a54bba1968a\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE (Minister responsible for the Earthquake Commission):\u003C/span\u003E Very few, although over the 5 years, possibly a few more than the number of signatures on a petition on this matter being presented to Andrew Little tomorrow by the Christchurch Central Labour Party candidate, Dr Duncan Webb.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022175b1a32fe0a4b47a790265a94d917d4\u0022\u003EDr Megan Woods\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. That was a primary question on notice. I asked the Minister how many complaints had been lodged to date\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9da6507214a4ee58c5673cd180e98c1\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I would have thought that a better answer could be given as to the number, rather than answer \u201Cvery few\u201D, given the time the Minister has had to prepare the answer. Is the Hon Gerry Brownlee going to add to his answer?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022018c440c275e469583a27e10669fdaac\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I was simply pointing out that sometimes there is more to a question in the House than meets the eye. But I am happy to answer the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b4be58e03824ab8ba561beacb175ff8\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That is not actually a helpful point of order. The question was on notice. The question asked for the number of complaints that have been lodged. I would have hoped the Minister had time to prepare an answer to give that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c2d25f2c33a9433485abe1231dee55f4\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002266375f84c46c4fe594490393b57c8c3b\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213a5ae20ad644dc39c40dea4e6e4d983\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Which will we have first? We will have the answer, then.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee8813acfc62405ab9f6e61bbfad6fca\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE\u003C/span\u003E: There were 4,900 out of 167,000 in 2011; 7,312 out of 167,000 in 2012; 5,612 out of 167,000 in 2013; 3,954 out of 167,000 in 2014; 2,525 in 2015 out of 167,000; and 525 to date this year out of 167,000 claims.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6490b87c79446aa9af401e866542573\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I would like you\u2014and the Ministers, in fact\u2014to reflect on whether when a question is put on notice, as Megan Woods has put something on notice, and the Ministers clearly have that information, as we have just demonstrated Mr Brownlee does, it is reasonable to expect that they will give that information, rather than giving a dismissive answer and then insulting the questioner.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226a08e8fd42de45f09c331733d0878a2f\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I think I have addressed that matter already in that the point was raised immediately by the questioner, and quite legitimately so. I said that I did not think the answer was satisfactory. The Minister has now given that. I would certainly appreciate it if Ministers gave the information in the first place, but how they choose to answer the question is, in the first instance, their responsibility. I can only move to tidy it up once I have heard the answer; I cannot anticipate an answer to a question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd903e2fb0814d6eb33e4e33657af7af\u0022\u003EDr Megan Woods\u003C/span\u003E: Does he think it is acceptable that sales of properties are falling through due to dodgy foundation repairs, and those stranded homeowners are being told by the Earthquake Commission that they will have to wait months for an appropriate team to review the issue?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fbe7cf8157cc4efc988920cad6411f15\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE\u003C/span\u003E: The member seeks an answer to what is, by the way it is presented, quite a hypothetical situation. What I can say is that the Earthquake Commission takes remedial repairs where they are required very seriously, but they are not large in number, given that there have been 167,000 built-property claims in Christchurch. There are always reasons why properties that are in the process of being sold do not progress to a sale for one reason or another.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002280739bc982fd4d38bdf1291b5f7cfa9a\u0022\u003EDr Megan Woods\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table a file note from my office of a case where the sale of a property has fallen through this week because it failed a home inspection on a foundation repair by the Earthquake Commission.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f5b16fed80e414fa4ac7e3a748fe63d\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE\u003C/span\u003E: Names and addresses?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022454b3afea2f146f4821f5e77a1944075\u0022\u003EDr Megan Woods\u003C/span\u003E: I sought leave to table the file note.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b7c0463432f4a34985a5ed39fe3ab8e\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I will put the leave, and the House can decide. Leave is sought to table that particular file note. Is there any objection? There is none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c5f8fafd76c4f0dbfba7725643ea6b5\u0022\u003EDr Megan Woods\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table an email from the Earthquake Commission telling that same homeowner they will have to wait months for a team to assess their issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e03873ddfef54a72bab1deb43a082af5\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought to table that particular email. Is there any objection? There is none. It can be tabled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ddfa7e79b0b44603b0c2b73b6940dbc1\u0022\u003EDr Megan Woods\u003C/span\u003E: How many more remedial requests does the Earthquake Commission expect to receive, and how long will those claimants have to wait?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296c6d713ff1f45819bd10370e0f38381\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE\u003C/span\u003E: I think the first point I would like to make is that the Earthquake Commission is receiving those complaints and is acting upon them. One of the reasons why we progressed to the managed repair programme was so that people would have somewhere to go when these circumstances arose. The numbers, out of 167,000 claims, are small. We would hope to get to all of those people as quickly as possible, but there is no standing army outside the Canterbury Home Repair Programme, and as the 900 or so houses that are left in that programme are concluded, then work will progress on those other matters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a6c7a282475c4ec9a8e12f4185812742\u0022\u003EDr Megan Woods\u003C/span\u003E: Does he think it is acceptable that the Earthquake Commission did not front up and tell the public the real reason thousands of drain repairs in Canterbury had to be reassessed was the initial inspections were of \u201Cvariable quality\u201D, or is that just code for \u201Cdodgy\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002293ccc0c5dbb84ad0a1da9bb824baba9c\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE\u003C/span\u003E: The member over there repeatedly uses words like that to try to discredit the Earthquake Commission. What she forgets is that this has been a long seismic event: 13,000 earthquakes, 67 over 5 on the Richter scale. An assessment done at the start of that process would be very different if done at the end of it. If the member cannot work that out, I suggest that she is a dodgy member and should not be in the House. [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e4bea20ddd24c5fa47e85f36c120d3f\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! I am going to ask the member to withdraw the last comment about the member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223217922a31e24ac28cf76b86f0800e8e\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw; she has certainly got every right to be in the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a37b89d278324c71b2c2e7c5214c05d9\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. We are just going to have the withdrawal of the epithet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002254d61fc354fd41119dc4bcdc8d3088d4\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw the full remark.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209f5ca6c42cb4d06839bf113ece0875b\u0022\u003EDr Megan Woods\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I asked the Minister a pretty straight question: I asked him whether he thought\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dfeaf9dd62684004b538581090e9592d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! No. The member was very lucky that I allowed the question to stand. It was a question full of innuendo; the Minister certainly addressed it, in light of the way the question was asked.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a7baf29342a45d598a308ee66f35abd\u0022\u003EChris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. There have been instances where members on this side of the House have been asked to withdraw and apologise and have faced a much more serious reprimand for adding additional comments at the end of that and\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c03e841830374ed5b4fbb2d711070c4b\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That is getting very dangerously close to being a criticism of the Speaker. I determine the remedy I will take. I determine whether I will be asking for a withdrawal. I determine whether it is a withdrawal and an apology, or I may even ask the member to leave the House. On this occasion, when the word was used by the member herself in asking the question, I took the action I did. I am quite comfortable with the action I took, and I do not expect to then be criticised by Chris Hipkins for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ebb680b5b4264a02b1449a94bd5127f9\u0022\u003EDr Megan Woods\u003C/span\u003E: When there are tens of thousands of complaints, not just a few; when people are blocked from selling their houses and cannot move on with their lives because of botched repairs; and when the Earthquake Commission refuses to front up with the facts, will he finally admit that things are a mess and undertake an independent inquiry into the Earthquake Commission?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d528e647b86e4e0a8463b12d080ef790\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before I call the Minister, if it is a political answer that is given, that will be perfectly acceptable in light of the question that was asked.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227761e80ff1747ff814f1d018ad55180\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker, I am above that sort of thing, as you know. I will give a straight answer. The member will be deeply disappointed to know that her claims of tens of thousands of complaints, etc., leave us now\u2014because the Earthquake Commission deals with those complaints, and because the Earthquake Commission is a place to go if you have got complaints, there are only 700 or so currently open, and many of those are in a state of being repaired. The member is trying to make menace where it does not exist in order to promote the opportunities for Dr Duncan Webb, the Labour Party candidate\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002250ec35469cb9425296d1b1b642723e92\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! We do not need to go that far.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220ef674fa923b4ebd8789cd2220ed979f\u0022\u003EPrisoners\u2014Rehabilitation Initiatives\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022 data-id=\u00224f59828ccb4a4f24a39e4bc3ee8e049f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224f59828ccb4a4f24a39e4bc3ee8e049f\u0022\u003EKANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Corrections: What initiatives has Corrections recently launched to support prisoners to lead a crime-free life on release?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u0022b2fe1ed676bf4b169a5c2f3d31265277\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b2fe1ed676bf4b169a5c2f3d31265277\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Corrections):\u003C/span\u003E Yesterday I attended the launch of a new initiative, Seedlings, Grow, Cook and Eat, which will see prisoners in self-care units grow their own seasonal vegetables and use them to cook basic, nutritious meals at Spring Hill Corrections Facility. Prisoners in self-care units are nearing the end of their sentence, and do their own cooking to prepare themselves for release. The produce grown in the gardens supplements store-purchased vegetables, increasing the self-sufficiency of these units. This programme will help prisoners learn useful gardening skills as well as help them learn to cook meals nutritiously and economically. Initiatives such as this support positive life changes that can help prisoners to lead a crime-free life on release.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f111f34a4a2b4444a983ba30b32e9050\u0022\u003EKanwaljit Singh Bakshi\u003C/span\u003E: What other initiatives does the Department of Corrections have under way?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e1fe94526c3347abb2bafc215ac1eb2c\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: There is another new initiative in Hawke\u2019s Bay Regional Prison\u2019s young offenders unit, which has four beehives that serve as a teaching tool for prisoners who are enrolled in studying there for their certificate in apiculture. The hives also provide a teaching tool for the prison\u2019s national certificate in horticulture course, which prisoners from the same unit are also studying for. Prisoners enrolled in the offender employment joinery course in the same unit assembled the hives and frames when they arrived and also painted them. Another group of young prisoners from the unit built the fence surrounding the hives under the tuition of a volunteer instructor. Almost 38 kilograms of honey was extracted from the hives when the first extraction of the season took place recently. The honey produced by bees and hives is donated to community groups in the Hastings area. This is a terrific example of giving back to the community and good for prisoners, who are learning real-life employment skills.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4c55324-cd76-4323-a6a2-1408a110a862\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad5537084fa540b8b802a371a1530f26\u0022\u003EMahesh Bindra\u003C/span\u003E: How does she square those answers with the 20 murders committed by offenders on bail between 2012 and 2014?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200e8f352e1274df6b1ee39c584720cab\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It is marginal as to whether there is a connection, but I will allow the Minister to answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc4abf3336cc4e24ac6e37bcf4b99c3b\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Quite easily, really. We are focused on rehabilitation, and these are two new initiatives that we have undertaken.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002231fc7f11be554b1a848134d25453f1ae\u0022\u003EPolice Resourcing\u2014Numbers and Crime Resolution Rate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u00225e818f6ed11b4718bd4bedf19574da3c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225e818f6ed11b4718bd4bedf19574da3c\u0022\u003ESTUART NASH (Labour\u2014Napier)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Police: Does she agree with everything Prime Minister John Key has said about policing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u0022a738ab1c2cc9493b8701de822386012e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a738ab1c2cc9493b8701de822386012e\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Police):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, and I particularly agreed with the Prime Minister when he said that he wanted me to be his Minister of Police.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f02007b81fce4957a79a5257f33b15cf\u0022\u003EStuart Nash\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with John Key\u2019s statement \u201Cwe want more police on the beat.\u201D; if so, why are there 568 fewer front-line general duties constables since National took office?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022df15d21413994815ba83ab65e7a412fc\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: As that member well knows, just because people are called general duties constables in one particular year does not mean to say that they are not doing something in another year. We now have 600 extra police on the front line than we did when Labour left office, thankfully, at the end of 2008\u2014600 more.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022132d688281a64d5bbd1512bde12eaac0\u0022\u003EStuart Nash\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table an Official Information Act request, dated 25 May 2015, which actually shows 568 fewer general duties police\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b917a1465d94e1484ad129faf6e1f34\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Leave is sought to table that particular Official Information Act release. Is there any objection? There is objection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b095a0f4108419eb21bd6efb9b43552\u0022\u003EStuart Nash\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with John Key\u2019s statement that \u201CWe can and we must do better at reducing crime levels and keeping Kiwis safer.\u201D; if so, why are a record 90 percent of burglaries remaining unsolved?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f1b2182f03c4352a62b8b48584356d1\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Either of those two supplementary questions, the Hon Judith Collins.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022134535c1efbf420ea7c372c5ff25bf70\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, of course I agree with the Prime Minister, and that is why I am so thrilled that we now have the lowest recorded crime rate since 1978.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022625760096fa14852933710776fd5d76e\u0022\u003EStuart Nash\u003C/span\u003E: Does she think John Key\u2019s message to P dealers that \u201CWe will be ruthless in our pursuit of you and the evil drug you push.\u201D meant anything, given that police research in 2015 reveals it is easier to get this drug than ever before?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b8d4aef5c7b4a3bb678694810efab5e\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely, and that is why that member should be congratulating the New Zealand Police on some of the most fantastic big busts that they have done recently.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e48e1c0fbdb0407b990d37be577dd3fa\u0022\u003EStuart Nash\u003C/span\u003E: Why, after 8 years of National in Government, do 86 percent of police now think front-line officers are under-resourced, and 74 percent of constables believe front-line police numbers are too low?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226440591597bd4e2cb26f3eff99e32a28\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: The New Zealand Police is the most wonderful organisation full of now 600 more constables than there were when that member\u2019s party was last in Government. Police always want to have more resources because they care about keeping New Zealand safe. There has never been a time that I can recall that police have not said that they want more resources. They always want more resources because they want to do the job so brilliantly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db2803eb549645c890f75f1d7bfe2f77\u0022\u003EStuart Nash\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I did not say \u201Cmore resources\u201D; I said \u201Cunder-resourced\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002245d3cb16ac09473a9921b2285434b38f\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question has certainly been addressed. The member might not like the answer, but it has been addressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f0148c1fd9b44ba48c17c9b05396be2a\u0022\u003EFreshwater Management\u2014Supplies\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022 data-id=\u00223097709a4cb846839c41b164dab11ede\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223097709a4cb846839c41b164dab11ede\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for the Environment: What action will the Government take to make sure there is enough clean fresh water for all New Zealanders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u002292023e1432784d7490d87f73e65ca7b0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002292023e1432784d7490d87f73e65ca7b0\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E New Zealand has 500 trillion litres of fresh water each year flowing through our lakes, rivers, and aquifers, and we extract only 2 percent of that for human purposes. Ninety percent of our fresh water in our lakes and rivers by volume is in a pristine state. New Zealand has ample clean fresh water, but there are areas where we have shortages and water-quality problems. The actions the Government has taken include introducing compulsory metering in 2009, the national policy statement in 2011 requiring water quality to be maintained or improved, and a record investment in freshwater clean-ups. Further actions include national stock fencing requirements for all lakes and rivers, on which I am currently consulting, including holding a public meeting in the far north yesterday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d4050579cca4537b40e59bc6ebe73d9\u0022\u003ECatherine Delahunty\u003C/span\u003E: How will the Government ensure there is enough water for the residents of Ashburton, who have faced water restrictions for the last 4 months and, thanks to the absence of national rules, will lose 40 billion litres of their water to an offshore company?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294f9f8ec6f83442e8c8628ca49755427\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: If you are concerned about the sustainability of New Zealand\u2019s water, water bottling would be the last place you would look on the basis of facts and take. Let me give the member the numbers. Of the water that is consented for takes in Canterbury, the Ashburton water bottling consent amounts not to 1 percent, not to 0.1 percent, but to 0.0012 percent\u20140.0012 percent. So the Green Party pretending it is concerned about sustainability of water, by focusing on bottling plants, just shows how distanced it is from the facts and the science of water-quality management.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8d8adf47a304f7d9ab42e910cff25d1\u0022\u003EScott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: How do water takes consented for bottling compare with water takes consented for other purposes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be801427e2564a368aa16e84124ffbd4\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: As I said in my answer to the primary question, New Zealand has 500 trillion litres of fresh water. There is 6 trillion litres consented for irrigation. There is 2 trillion each consented for industry and for town water supplies. So although a billion litres for a water bottling plant sounds like a lot, it is actually 0.01 percent\u20140.01 percent\u2014of the number of consents for irrigation, or 0.0001 percent of New Zealand\u2019s annual freshwater flows. The idea\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201bed03f95074a1f86d4a135fbaf3bb2\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! The answer is quite long enough.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221abc4e8feb784ef0a2d6786a3474cc6c\u0022\u003ECatherine Delahunty\u003C/span\u003E: How can the Government justify allowing offshore companies to export billions of litres of water from places like Ashburton when local farmers cannot access their own water supplies because of drought?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022154fd9a25bb6453f9edb3b839e856011\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: I just stress again that we need to make our decisions on fresh water on the basis of the science and the facts. And the facts are that if you take the region of Canterbury\u2014and let me give the member the specific figures for the Ashburton water zone. Less than 0.1 percent even in that very local area is used for water bottling plants. You could shut down every water bottling plant in New Zealand and it would just be literally a drop in the bucket of New Zealand\u2019s huge freshwater resource. It is the last place we would go if we were serious about improving freshwater management in New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bee63fe1a70748569d04192690cc03b8\u0022\u003ECatherine Delahunty\u003C/span\u003E: We live in hope. Will the Government commit to putting a moratorium on new consents for bottled water until the sustainability and ownership rights for water are negotiated with tangata whenua and communities; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022072aeef57fe846a68ca40237f6cffe08\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Let me explain the numbers again. New Zealand has 500 trillion litres of water\u2014550 trillion\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264d1e747079e488797d6df843529b492\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. This question did not ask for numbers, at all. It asked about consultation, and I would expect the Minister to address the question asked.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f3c6ee719ae4764ace495c73b90e2e0\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question\u2014I can help by rephrasing it\u2014simply is: will the Government install a moratorium? If the Minister could just answer that, I think we will move forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227b045e7d8cd4b2dafaf3e06c1859c03\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: It would be a nonsense\u2014an absolute nonsense\u2014to put a moratorium on the bottling of water and pretend that that would improve the sustainability, when the amount of water that is used for\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224fc0f1e3eb4346d8b20b2c19944f4a98\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The Minister has now answered the question that was asked.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b0267ecaea7845a9ac9f9dcbfd12a2fc\u0022\u003ECommunity Development\u2014Community Development Scheme\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022 data-id=\u00228393269c907140a6987f3ad26b5917ef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228393269c907140a6987f3ad26b5917ef\u0022\u003ESARAH DOWIE (National\u2014Invercargill)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector: What recent announcements has she made regarding support for communities?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022 data-id=\u00228831389a07554c559ce8c6727d8e5d19\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228831389a07554c559ce8c6727d8e5d19\u0022\u003EHon JO GOODHEW (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector):\u003C/span\u003E Earlier this week I announced the opening of the 2016-17 funding round of the Community Development Scheme. The scheme helps fund projects where communities are working to become more self-reliant and resilient and to generate their own solutions to local issues. Grant recipients receive funding to employ a community development worker for 3 years. This year funding is available for a further seven communities across New Zealand, which are to be granted $80,000 each a year for the next 3 years. This will mean that a total of 32 communities are now able to be funded this year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f331368af600418c8cc497a4b2b8a9e6\u0022\u003ESarah Dowie\u003C/span\u003E: How is the scheme supporting the development of stronger communities in the Invercargill region?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d6c42c96cae94b6ab02dda2b8c6d8391\u0022\u003EHon JO GOODHEW\u003C/span\u003E: In Invercargill a community development worker, with support from South Alive and the Invercargill City Council, is supporting the community in rejuvenating the area and growing community identity and pride. The project is connecting sectors of the community such as youth, elderly, migrants, and the business community to develop skills and build strategic relationships.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b818360a38d44181b1a3d05b400ff58c\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: What kind of support is provided by the scheme to community groups in the New Plymouth region?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243023f1ce8ba416bb4e2a772c03b9f23\u0022\u003EHon JO GOODHEW\u003C/span\u003E: Wait, there is more. In the Marfell community in New Plymouth, a community development worker, with support from Tu Tama Wahine o Taranaki and the Together Grow Better Communities Trust, has initiated a range of projects such as a community cafe and not-for-profit community hub, a charity shop, and the Marfell Corner Project, and is developing a local walkway in consultation with the council. A wide range of events is bringing communities together in new ways and bringing pride to local areas. There are so many examples I could give, but time does not permit. This Community Development Scheme is now open, and applications close on 18 May 2016.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00220642dfe4c7f24fa3aebbc695ab186694\u0022\u003EOffices of Parliament\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022320abeb4fddb4fa28527d777ca155c77\u0022\u003EAddress to Governor-General\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022b0712353cb564a30a0c963d5912d76e1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b0712353cb564a30a0c963d5912d76e1\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That a respectful Address be presented to His Excellency the Governor-General commending to His Excellency the alterations to the appropriations for the 2015/16 financial year in respect of Vote Audit and Vote Ombudsmen, and the appropriations and information for the 2016/17 financial year in respect of Vote Audit, Vote Ombudsmen, and Vote Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003EThese three offices are known as Offices of Parliament, and they serve as independent statutory authorities with specific roles to play. The Auditor-General, as everybody knows, is an office that superintends all public expenditure in New Zealand. It makes it very clear that its role is to independently assess the appropriateness of Government expenditure, measured against the statements given to this House about how that expenditure will be spent, effectively. That office is to ensure that the probity around any public spending is at the highest possible level.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003ECan I skip for a moment to the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment. The Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment is a very important role in a country like this. Dr Jan Wright has proved the office to be very, very scientific in its approach to things, and the reports that come out of that office are certainly considered valuable by many, many New Zealanders. It provides a good interface between the scientific views that form policy and the sometimes more colloquial views that are expressed by communities about some of these matters. It is a valuable office and serves New Zealand well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003EThe Office of the Ombudsmen is an office where New Zealanders are able to go if they think they have not had a fair go, for one reason or another. This is an office that deals with all Official Information Act requests, and it has made a request to the Government for additional funding in the years ahead in order to make sure that it is able to meet the requirements under its Act. We can look forward to an increase in that funding in the years 2016-17, 2017-18, and 2018-19 in order not only to clear some backlog that exists there\u2014some of it going back some very, very many years\u2014but also to get on top of what is in front of it at the moment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003EI would make this one comment, though, and I have thought very long and hard about making it because it is not always appropriate for this House to express views about independent commissioners, who basically are the people who lead the organisations we are speaking about today. But I did see an interview on television on 19 March with the Chief Ombudsman that I thought did have one or two matters raised and suggestions made by the Chief Ombudsman that should cause us all concern. The ombudsmen\u2019s role is to make sure that people are treated fairly inside our democracy, not to determine the bounds of that democracy; nor is it the role of the ombudsmen to start determining what a relationship should be, for example, between a client and a legal representative, a lawyer, etc.; nor should they stray into areas that are most appropriately dealt with by the courts, particularly when it comes to the rules that allow us to live a free life in a country like this. I know that that is possibly a fine line, but that interview gave me quite some cause for concern.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003EHowever, I am pleased to commend this report to the House and welcome the debate that will now ensue before we vote later in the afternoon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022d20991b375ab4e709b9f045fe74904f4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d20991b375ab4e709b9f045fe74904f4\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I think the last comments made by the Leader of the House have caused me to divert substantially from the comments that I was going to make. The first thing I want to do is to congratulate Mr Speaker on the good work that he does chairing the Officers of Parliament Committee and on the way that he builds unanimity around both the appropriation and the appointment process. To have Gerry Brownlee, the Leader of the House, criticise the fine legal brain of the new Chief Ombudsman, as he just did when he said he was concerned\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eda811dfe1ea4f8fa20680327999a985\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. There is a procedure in the Standing Orders that would allow me to make a comment about that right now, but I will not. All I will say is that I made no such accusation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a72755bbeade423fa4302f9f4061448e\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It appears to be a matter for debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267a2096cddf34bbe9ca4b5ebaafe6b97\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD\u003C/span\u003E: The Leader of the House might be being disorderly in attempting to break up the comments. He did say he was concerned about the comments of the Chief Ombudsman. That is what he said. When the leader of this Parliament, the Leader of the House in this Parliament, indicates that about the Chief Ombudsman, it is something that causes me concern because we are meant to be behind the Chief Ombudsman, who was very recently appointed. I think the member himself might have moved the nomination. Certainly, it was moved from his office. It is a fine appointment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI want to say that the Chief Ombudsman has said that he will do two things. He will talk to members of Parliament, from all parties, about the shape of their requests and help them to make them more reasonable and easier to answer. He will insist on the standards of the law being met by Government departments and by Ministers, and he will report to this House on this. I think that is a damn fine thing. I see anxiety on the part of the Leader of the House for an ombudsman who is going to line up with the law, whom this Parliament is now going to give the resources to to get him to do his job properly: to attack the backlog, to do really innovative things, like using the phone to help sort out disputes\u2014something that was not part of the practice in the past\u2014and to use something really innovative, like using emails to sort out problems, which apparently the Leader of the House does not like. I think it is a good thing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI think I can probably share a comment from the Chief Ombudsman because it was one that was said to a couple of members. He received a letter from New Zealand Post, after he had circulated around the fact that the Office of the Ombudsmen was now going to deal by email and not by letter, indicating that the Chief Ombudsman was part of the cause of the problem of the rundown in New Zealand Post. It is finally catching up\u2014finally catching up\u2014with the world of the 21st century. I think it is really good that the Chief Ombudsman is setting up a team to attack the backlog. I think it is really good that Ministers\u2014I am not saying it is only Ministers from that side who have been slow in responding to the Chief Ombudsman. It is something that has happened in the past, but it has got much more common now. It was not good when our Ministers did it. It is disgraceful at the moment. To have someone getting the resources to sort it out is something that I think is very important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022 data-id=\u00221c46ba70fd02457bad830c4d60b90a21\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221c46ba70fd02457bad830c4d60b90a21\u0022\u003EEUGENIE SAGE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Like the previous speaker, Trevor Mallard, I am extremely troubled by the comments of the Leader of the House. In this call, I was going to congratulate the Officers of Parliament Committee on finally responding to the request from the Office of the Ombudsmen for increased resources. I think the comprehensive review that the former Chief Ombudsman Dame Beverley Wakem did of twelve selected Government agencies, a survey she did of Ministers\u2019 offices, and her look at how the Act was being implemented elsewhere showed that the major problem was not in the law itself, the Official Information Act, but in the way it was being implemented\u2014its execution. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EMy memory of the interview with the new Chief Ombudsman was that he was simply pointing out that there were people in Government agencies who are qualified in the law, and, therefore, we are in a position to understand very clearly what the Official Information Act means and that that should assist in better execution of that Act. The Ombudsman is an independent Officer of Parliament. They are absolutely critical in providing openness and transparency in our democracy, in balancing the rights of the citizen against the much larger powers of the State, and in ensuring that Government Ministers and Government departments are accountable. I can only commend the work that the former Chief Ombudsman and the new Chief Ombudsman are doing in improving the way in which the Official Information Act is implemented. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EWe have seen, under this Government, a 40 percent increase in complaints to the Office of the Ombudsmen, because, as the review that Dame Beverley did showed, there were major problems in the way that the Act was being implemented. Agencies were leaving it to the last minute, taking the full 20 days before they released information, and claiming extensions. We have seen that there are often, when we make requests, large areas of blacked-out text\u2014redactions\u2014but now we have seen agencies like the Reserve Bank and local councils charging requesters for information, knowing very well that $200 or $300, or sometimes even more, to provide information will create a significant barrier to getting that information and to calling the Government agency to account. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EThe Northland Environmental Protection Society, which is trying to hold the Ministry for Primary Industries to account for the way in which it is operating under the forests Act, for the major exports of ancient swamp kauri, which are potentially contrary to that Act, had to go to the High Court to get the High Court to adjudicate that the Ministry for Primary Industries should release emails and other information. The Official Information Act is critical to our democracy, so the work that the Office of the Ombudsmen is doing to improve compliance with the Act is important for a much more effective democracy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EParliament is being asked to recommend, I think, a $2.3 million or a $2.6 million increase in the budget of the office. The Chief Ombudsman provided the select committee with a very detailed analysis of where the extra money was required. Funding is needed for some additional investigators to get on top of the backlog of, I think, about 600 requests that have been with the office for more than a year, and sometimes for up to 6 years. It is commendable that the office is seeking to deal with that backlog so it can go and do more of the types of reviews that Dame Beverly initiated\u2014so that it can be proactive, rather than always being reactive. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EIf we do not have the work of the office being adequately resourced, then the sorts of practices that came to light in the review become systemic, and that undermines public trust in Government agencies and their administration of the law. It is in all of our interests for the Government to be accountable and to be transparent, because that encourages public confidence. I am deeply troubled by the Leader of the House\u2019s comments, and I think the select committee should be congratulated on its work in making this recommendation for increased funding, which the Green Party is very happy to support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022 data-id=\u0022722a550105f044a59d22ecef72766d3f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022722a550105f044a59d22ecef72766d3f\u0022\u003EDENIS O\u2019ROURKE (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E New Zealand First is happy to support the motion in respect of the appropriations for Vote Audit, Vote Ombudsmen, and Vote Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment. I want to begin by making just a couple of comments about the Office of the Controller and Auditor-General. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EFirstly, the recommended increase of $200,000 seems to us to be well justified, having regard to the $174,000 deficit expected in the 2015-16 year and the need for a bit of a buffer in addition to that. We think that is fine. This is a very important office, with very important functions, especially for Parliament itself and for the general public, to make sure that those auditing functions that it has proceed and are well resourced. Secondly, I note that the Auditor-General has been supporting the secretariat of the South Pacific Association of Supreme Audit Institutions\u2014a very long and impressive name\u2014for the past 3 years and that an additional appropriation of $230,000 is recommended for that. We think that is also a very important and very worthwhile function, and we are happy to support that additional appropriation as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EBut I particularly wanted to move on to the matter of the Office of the Ombudsman. I agree with many other speakers who have pointed out that for this extremely important public service, it is absolutely clear that in recent years there has been a lack of capacity driven by the lack of resources, leading to a backlog, which has led to public dissatisfaction with the Office of the Ombudsman. That has to stop. It must be properly resourced so that public confidence is restored, and so that the office can, in fact, carry out the functions it is established to do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003ELike many MPs in the House, I have recently met with the new Chief Ombudsman, and I have been very impressed by his determination to get rid of that longstanding backlog within a very reasonable period of time. But, of course, that office can do that only if it has adequate resources for the job. I think that the new Chief Ombudsman has got a good strategy, a lot of energy, and a great deal of capability. As long as he gets the resources, he will do what he is setting out to do: to clear the backlog and to offer New Zealanders a very efficient ombudsman service, because people do have a great deal of respect for that office and use it frequently. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EUnfortunately, one of the things that I would say is a problem in New Zealand at the current time is the issue about official information. Too many Government agencies make it too hard to get official information and too many local Government organisations do just the same. As Eugenie Sage said, some of them use charging techniques to try to discourage people from applying for information. We like the increased allocation for the Ombudsman; we think it is well justified and we will be supporting it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EFinally, I can make similar comments for the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment. I agree with Gerry Brownlee that this office has performed extraordinarily well in recent times. It has shown its worth; it has shown to the public and to this Parliament that it can do a very good job in making us aware of the environmental issues that face the country. Of course in recent times the Environmental Reporting Act has given that office much greater responsibilities, and that requires resources and that requires this appropriation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003EThe parliamentary commissioner\u2019s office has already done the first of its twice-yearly reports. It completed the first one on the air domain, and it is now working on a second synthesis report. It is now possible for that office to tell us what all of that is going to cost and what the increased appropriation needs to be. It is $250,000, and, frankly, I am surprised that it is that small. I am surprised that the office can actually achieve all of those functions and do that additional work for such a modest sum. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002247c29b78-eee0-4c91-afdf-7b07be780e1a\u0022\u003ESo New Zealand First is very happy indeed to support that additional appropriation, and, indeed, all of the additional appropriations that are set out in this motion\u2014we will be voting for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022 data-id=\u002241d4299e98174924933bade36f06aa72\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002241d4299e98174924933bade36f06aa72\u0022\u003ECARMEL SEPULONI (Labour\u2014Kelston):\u003C/span\u003E I just want to congratulate the speaker on, as my colleague Trevor Mallard said earlier, leading a unified select committee discussion around the decisions that need to be made by the Officers of Parliament Committee. It is my first term on that select committee and, as a newer member, it has been really interesting learning with regard to these really important functions. It has been unanimous within the select committee, some good discussions have been had, and I think that we have made some really good decisions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EI think one of the best decisions made, actually, was the appointment of the current Chief Ombudsman. So I have to say that it was disappointing to hear Gerry Brownlee criticising the Chief Ombudsman earlier and questioning whether or not he should be making comments publicly about the legalities involved in his role, the legal requirements of Government departments, and how he is looking to hold them to account. Because, actually, when we appoint a Chief Ombudsman who was formerly a top judge, I think all of us would expect that he is going to be dead-set on upholding the law. That is a good thing for this House, and that is a good thing for this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EThe Chief Ombudsman has been very clear with the select committee about what he intends to do, and we have absolute confidence in his ability to do that. We want to ensure that the public has that confidence as well, so it is really important that we do not have members of this House undermining the Chief Ombudsman and the important role that he has to do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EHe talked to the select committee about the importance of ensuring that members look at the shape of the requests that they are making. He will be attacking that backlog that is there. We are all, I guess particularly from the Opposition side of the House, very aware of that backlog. We all have Official Information Act requests that have been denied, for what we do not believe are reasonable reasons, but also that have been delayed in getting back to us. Many of us have been waiting for months for what we think should be given to us on time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EJust to explain the problem that we have and that the Chief Ombudsman is going to be attacking\u2014we have had an increase of about 40 percent over the past 5 years in the workload of the Office of the Ombudsmen. In 2014-15 the office received 12,151 complaints and other contacts about the administrative conduct and decisions of Government agencies. This has been acknowledged in the funding, by the select committee, of eight additional investigating staff. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EAlthough some progress has been made in the net clearance in 2014-15 of 98.5 percent of complaints and contacts closed in a reporting year, as a proportion of total complaints and contacts received during that year, the number of aged investigations\u2014that is, the number awaiting closure for over a year\u2014is unacceptably high. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003ESo we are looking forward to the Chief Ombudsman doing what he said he will do, in attacking that backlog and getting this office back into shape. We have absolute confidence in the Chief Ombudsman\u2019s ability to do the job. I think I will leave it at that. I just hope that members of this House will get behind the Chief Ombudsman and support him to undertake the really important work that he has to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to, and Address agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f5bb6a959c8d4a09842e91235ace71ae\u0022\u003ETe Pire m\u014D Te Reo M\u0101ori / M\u0101ori Language Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002226315a17cfed48b89e5a57058a486bb4\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000255\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 5 April.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002297b50b9c3df146aab9001830b9d845bc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002297b50b9c3df146aab9001830b9d845bc\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Last night leave was given in the House for all provisions of this bill to be taken as one question. The question for debate is, therefore, that Te W\u0101hanga 1AA to Te W\u0101hanga 4, Parts 1AA to 4, te \u0101pitihanga 1 to te \u0101pitihanga 8, and schedules 1 to 8 stand part. Before I call Marama Fox, who had the call last time we were debating this bill, I just want to indicate to the Committee that all calls taken previously will not be counted and we will start again for the purposes of members\u2019 ability to speak to the bill. I am sure that the Chair will tend to recognise people who have not had a call yet, but we are not going to limit people by the fact that they have previously had calls on this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002279b15df3d91c4194b6537646ae61a3a7\u0022\u003ETe W\u0101hanga 1AA to Te W\u0101hanga 4, Parts 1AA to 4, te \u0101pitihanga 1 to te \u0101pitihanga 8, and schedules 1 to 8\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022 data-id=\u0022f98ed4581dd14f68819adc107a104467\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f98ed4581dd14f68819adc107a104467\u0022\u003EMARAMA FOX (Co-Leader\u2014M\u0101ori Party):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. E tika me mihi tuatahi ki t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 matua i hinga, \u0101, i t\u0113nei w\u0101 e takoto tonu nei a Matiu Dickson. I t\u0113nei ata, kai te haere a Te Ururoa ki t\u014Dna tangihanga, he hoa n\u014Dna. He hoa t\u014Dna, \u0101, he tangata matatau i roto i te ao m\u0101tauranga, ko ia t\u0113n\u0101 e whakahaere ana i te ao o ng\u0101 r\u014Dia i roto i Te Whare W\u0101nanga o Waikato. Ko ia an\u014D te tiamana o Te R\u016Bnanga o Kirikiriroa, n\u0101 reira, e tika me tuku whakaaro ki a ia, ki taua whanaunga i t\u0113nei w\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u0100, n\u0101 reira ka hoki an\u014D ki ng\u0101 k\u014Drero o te p\u014D ki Te Pire Reo M\u0101ori. Te \u0101taahua te whakarongo ki a t\u0101tau e k\u014Drero M\u0101ori ana i roto i Te Whare. Koir\u0101 te take kai te whakahoungia t\u0113nei pire, he pire whai mana t\u014D t\u0101ua Reo.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EInap\u014D r\u0101 i t\u012Bmata au te k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki t\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 poropiti o te k\u0101inga, ko Paora P\u014Dtangaroa t\u0113r\u0101. Ko ia t\u0113n\u0101 i roto i tana \u014Dh\u0101k\u012B e k\u012B nei: \u201CKa ngaro Te Reo o Wairarapa.\u201D I ahau e tiro atu ana ki aku whanaunga i te k\u0101inga, kotahi noa iho te koroua e k\u014Drero t\u016Bturu ana i t\u014D t\u0101ua Reo. Hipa atu i te 80 tau te pakeke o t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 kaum\u0101tua. Atu i a ia, ko te reanga e m\u014Dhio nei ki Te Reo M\u0101ori, e 50 tau te pakeke. Te nuinga \u014D t\u0101tau kaum\u0101tua k\u0101re i m\u014Dhio ki Te Reo M\u0101ori i runga i te h\u0113 o Te K\u0101wanatanga. N\u0101 reira e tika, me whai w\u0101hanga i roto i te pire nei, hei tuku whakaaro ki aua mahi h\u0113 i ng\u0101 tau kua hipa atu. Ko Te Ture o Native Schools t\u0113n\u0101, i whakakorengia t\u014D t\u0101ua Reo. Ko ng\u0101 ture e whaiwhai nei i t\u0113n\u0101, i whakakorengia ng\u0101 tikanga kai roto i ng\u0101 karaehe, kai roto i ng\u0101 kura, kai roto i te ao. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EN\u0101 reira, e m\u014Dhio pai m\u0101tau ka whai ng\u0101 tikanga i Te Reo M\u0101ori, ka whai ng\u0101 h\u012Btori o te rohe i Te Reo M\u0101ori. I te k\u0101inga i a m\u0101tau e \u0101wangawanga ana m\u014D ng\u0101 tamariki mokopuna i tipu ake i te k\u0101ing\u0101, i runga i te whakam\u0101 o t\u014D r\u0101tau whanaunga e patu i ng\u0101 tamariki i te k\u0101inga. E whakaaro ana m\u0101tau me p\u0113hea e whakahokia te mana o te tamaiti kia whai oranga te tamaiti. \u0100, ko Te Reo t\u0113n\u0101, ko te h\u012Btori t\u0113n\u0101. Ko te m\u014Dhiotanga o t\u014D r\u0101tau whakapapa t\u0113n\u0101, e whakahokia nei t\u014D r\u0101tau whakah\u012Bh\u012B, e t\u016B kaha nei i roto i Te Wairarapa. N\u0101 reira, e tika r\u0101 te k\u014Drero o t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 poropiti a Paora P\u014Dtangaroa. Ko te mutunga o tana k\u014Drero e k\u012B nei: \u201CM\u0101 ng\u0101 tamariki Te Reo e whakahokia mai.\u201D N\u0101 reira, kai te whakaae kaha nei au ki t\u0113nei pire.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u0112tahi e k\u012B nei. Te M\u0101t\u0101wai! Ko wai ka hua kia noho ki runga i Te M\u0101t\u0101wai? Ki a au nei, e tika ana taua korero. Waiho m\u0101 te ao rangatahi! \u0100, kai reira ng\u0101 kaum\u0101tua hei tohutohu i a r\u0101tau \u0113ngari, ko r\u0101tau ng\u0101 mea kai te k\u014Drero \u0101p\u014Dp\u014D, ng\u0101 tau kei te heke mai, ki \u014D r\u0101tau tamariki i te k\u0101inga. I kite atu m\u0101tau i t\u0113n\u0101 i te k\u0101inga, ko ng\u0101 tamariki rangatahi kai te k\u014Drero M\u0101ori. Ko r\u0101tau kei te t\u016B ki runga i ng\u0101 marae, ki te taha o \u014D r\u0101tau ankara. Ko r\u0101tau kei te t\u016B ki te wero i a m\u0101tau o te k\u0101inga, me p\u0113hea te rautaki Reo M\u0101ori i te k\u0101inga. N\u0101 reira, e tika taua whakaaro ki a au hoi an\u014D r\u0101, e m\u014Dhio pai ana au ki te rohe o Kahungunu, \u0101, kai roto Te Reo i te ringa o te rangatahi. Ko wai atu i a r\u0101tau kia t\u016B m\u014D t\u0101tau?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EAn\u014D n\u0101 ki ng\u0101 wahine! E k\u012B nei \u0113tahi me whai, me whakaaro ki te hunga wahine, kia t\u016B hei m\u0101ngai i runga i Te M\u0101t\u0101wai. Pai ana au ki t\u0113n\u0101, n\u014D te mea, ko ng\u0101 wahine t\u0113n\u0101 e whakahaere ana i ng\u0101 K\u014Dhanga Reo. Ko ng\u0101 wahine \u0113n\u0101, ng\u0101 kuia \u0113n\u0101 e whakat\u014D ana mai i Te Reo i ng\u0101 k\u0101inga. I tipu, i t\u012Bmata Te k\u014Dhanga reo o Wairarapa i ng\u0101 whare o ng\u0101 kuia. Kai roto i \u014D r\u0101tau whare waka, t\u016B ai Te K\u014Dhanga Reo, kai reira r\u0101tau e whakahaere ana i Te Reo. \u0112ngari mehemea ka tiro atu ki ng\u0101 tangata, ng\u0101 kura Reo, e whakahaere nei i t\u014D t\u0101ua Reo, \u0101, kei reira hoki ng\u0101 wahine. K\u0101re au i te \u0101wangawanga mehemea ka whai t\u016Branga te wahine i runga i Te M\u0101t\u0101wai. Kua t\u016B kaha nei r\u0101tau ki roto i t\u014D t\u0101ua Reo. Ko R\u0101winia Higgins t\u0113n\u0101, ko P\u0101nia Papa t\u0113n\u0101, ko r\u0101tau i roto i ng\u0101 Kura Reo o Te Motu. Kua kite m\u0101tau i te kaha o te hunga wahine ka whakahuatia ana t\u014D t\u0101ua Reo, n\u0101 reira k\u0101re au i te \u0101wangawanga m\u014D t\u0113n\u0101! E tika me whai t\u016Bru, \u0113ngari k\u0101re au e \u0101wangawanga m\u0113n\u0101 ka waiho m\u0101 te p\u014Dti o ia rohe, kia kore t\u0113tahi wahine e ahu mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EHoi an\u014D r\u0101, t\u0113nei pire kua kite m\u0101tau i roto i t\u014D m\u0101tau komiti, ng\u0101 piki me ng\u0101 heke kia whai huarahi ki mua. Te katoa o t\u0101tau i roto i te komiti, i tautoko nei, atu i t\u014D t\u0101ua hoa i t\u0113nei w\u0101! \u0112ngari i roto i te komiti, e tautoko kaha nei i te nekehanga o t\u0113nei pire.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u0100e, e rua ng\u0101 taha, \u0101, ko t\u0113tahi m\u014D Te K\u0101wanatanga. Me whai rautaki i te taha o Te K\u0101wanatanga hai \u0101rahi i a t\u0101tau ki te k\u014Drero M\u0101ori i roto i t\u0113nei Whare, i ng\u0101 k\u014Dti me ng\u0101 whare K\u0101wanatanga katoa, ko te hauora t\u0113n\u0101, ko te m\u0101tauranga t\u0113n\u0101, \u0101, ko ng\u0101 w\u0101hanga katoa o Te K\u0101wanatanga. Koinei Te Reo t\u016Bturu o te whenua nei! Koinei te taonga \u0113hara m\u0101 te M\u0101ori noa iho \u0113ngari m\u0101 Aotearoa! Ki a au nei, mehemea ka k\u014Drero M\u0101ori t\u0101tau katoa, \u0101, ka whai haere te tikanga, ka whai an\u014D n\u0101 te h\u012Btori! Mehemea ka k\u014Drero M\u0101ori t\u0101tau katoa i roto i te whenua, ka whakakorengia taua mea institutional racism. He aha ai? N\u014D te mea te nuinga o t\u0101tau tamariki M\u0101ori, tamariki P\u0101keh\u0101, tamariki aha atu, k\u0101re e m\u014Dhio ki te h\u012Btori o t\u0113nei whenua. Mehemea ka k\u014Drero M\u0101ori ka whai te h\u012Btori i Te Reo! Mehemea ka k\u014Drero M\u0101ori, ka whai ng\u0101 tikanga i Te Reo! Ka nohotahi t\u0101tau i roto i Te Reo T\u016Bturu o Te Whenua n\u0101 runga i t\u0113n\u0101, ka pu\u0101wai pai nei, ka whai oranga pai nei t\u0101tau katoa i Aotearoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EK\u0101re au e hiahia ki te whakat\u014Droa i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero. Heoi an\u014D, e tika an\u014D te k\u014Drero, i nanahi i t\u012Bmata ai au i t\u0113nei k\u014Drero, t\u0101 Te Ururoa t\u0113nei i whakahua mai: \u201CKo Te Reo M\u0101ori te matapihi ki Te Ao M\u0101ori.\u201D I roto i Te Reo, ka m\u0101rama t\u0101tau ki Te Ao M\u0101ori, ka m\u0101rama t\u0101tau ki a t\u0101tau an\u014D i runga i te whenua. Kai te m\u014Dhio kaha au ki te taha P\u0101keh\u0101 nei, kua tupu ake t\u0101tau katoa i te ao P\u0101keh\u0101. Kai te m\u014Dhio au ki t\u014D koutou reo, kai te m\u014Dhio au ki \u014D koutou tikanga. N\u014Dku an\u014D aua reo me aua tikanga! \u0112ngari an\u014D, e hia o te ao P\u0101keh\u0101 e m\u014Dhio ana ki t\u014D t\u0101ua Reo, ki t\u014D t\u0101ua tikanga, ki t\u014D t\u0101ua h\u012Btori? Me whakatikahia taua \u201Cbalance\u201D\u2014k\u0101re e au e paku m\u014Dhio ki te kupu m\u014D t\u0113n\u0101 \u0113ngari, me whakatikahia; kia ora, \u201Ctaurite\u201D\u2014kia tipu pai ai t\u0101tau katoa i runga i te whenua. Koinei noa iho taku k\u014Drero i t\u0113nei w\u0101, tautoko m\u0101rika au i t\u0113nei pire, \u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Chairman. It is fitting that I accord a tribute to Matiu Dickson first, that esteemed M\u0101ori academic who has passed away and is lying in state. Te Ururoa Flavell is going to the mourning this morning. He was Associate Dean M\u0101ori in the Faculty of Law at the University of Waikato and chairman of Te R\u016Bnanga o Kirikiriroa Charitable Trust, so it is appropriate that my thoughts go to him, to that kin, at this point in time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EAnd so I return once again to our discussion last night in regard to the M\u0101ori Language Bill. How wonderful it is to hear us speaking M\u0101ori in the Chamber, and it is the reason why this bill is being amended. This legislation is giving added mana to our language, yours and mine.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EI began my address yesterday by referring to one of the prophets from back home, Paora P\u014Dtangaroa. He stated in his dying speech: \u201CThe M\u0101ori language of Wairarapa will disappear.\u201D As I looked at the situation among my relations back home, I realised that there is only one elder who is speaking our language fluently; this elder is over 80 years old. Apart from him, the generation that knows the M\u0101ori language is 50 years old. The majority of our elders lost the M\u0101ori language because the Government erred. Therefore, it is right that this bill should have a provision in it to acknowledge those past injustices imposed by legislation like the Native Schools Act that banned the language that belonged to you and me. Subsequent legislation banned M\u0101ori lore in classes, in schools, and in the natural world.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EWe knew well that lore follows the M\u0101ori language, as does regional history. At home we were concerned about our children growing up without the M\u0101ori language, as their elders were shamed and punished at school for using it. We considered ways of restoring its integrity and well-being. Knowing that language, history, and their genealogy would restore their pride and confidence to be staunch in the Wairarapa. And so the dying speech of that prophet Paora P\u014Dtangaroa was right. He ended it by saying this: \u201CThe children will bring the language back.\u201D And so, I strongly support this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003ESome are saying, who will be named to sit on Te M\u0101t\u0101wai? To me, that statement is a fair one. Leave it for the younger generation. The elders are there to advise them, but the younger generation will be the speakers tomorrow and in years to come, and they will speak to their children back home. We see that back home, the young ones are talking in M\u0101ori, standing and speaking on the marae with their uncles. They are the ones challenging us at home about M\u0101ori language strategy. That view is fine with me, because it is a situation that is going well in the Kahungunu region, where the language is in the hands of the young people. Who else but them will represent us? They are the best option to represent us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EIt is similar for women as well. Some are saying that women should be sought out and considered as representatives on Te M\u0101t\u0101wai. I am fine with that because women are running the k\u014Dhanga reo. It is the women and the elderly ones who are teaching the language in the homes. The k\u014Dhanga reo movement in Wairarapa sprung up and emerged in the homes of the elderly women. The k\u014Dhanga reo were held in their garages; the M\u0101ori language was run there. But if you check out the people and M\u0101ori-medium schools running that language of ours, women are there as well. I am not concerned if women are not represented on Te M\u0101t\u0101wai. They have been powerful performers in running our language. R\u0101winia Higgins and P\u0101nia Papa are examples of that in M\u0101ori language institutions at the highest level in the country. We have seen the capability of women whenever our language is mentioned. Therefore, it is not a concern for me at all. It is proper that there is a representation through a postal vote by each region, if a female candidate does not emerge.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EHowever, as far as this bill is concerned, the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee has witnessed the ups and downs of finding a way forward. It is proper that a representative is there, but I am not concerned as to whether that comes about, because all of us on the select committee supported this initiative, apart from one\u2014but that colleague supports moving this bill forward vigorously.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EYes, there are two parts to the bill. One is for the Government to produce a strategy to guide us to speak M\u0101ori here in Parliament, in courts, and in all Government departments, such as health and education\u2014all departments. This is the indigenous language of this land. It is a treasure not just for M\u0101ori but for all New Zealand, too. To me, if all of us speak M\u0101ori, the customs and history also should follow. If we all spoke M\u0101ori in this country, that thing called institutional racism would be nullified. Why? Because the majority of our M\u0101ori, P\u0101keh\u0101, and other children are unaware of the history of this country. If they speak M\u0101ori, the history must follow the language. If they speak M\u0101ori, the traditions must follow the language. If we lived under the indigenous language of this country, as a consequence all of us in New Zealand would thrive and our well-being would be improved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EI do not want to prolong the contributions. However, the statement, once again, is correct. I began this address yesterday, and Te Ururoa Flavell stated: \u201CThe M\u0101ori language is the window into M\u0101oridom.\u201D Through the language we will get an understanding of the M\u0101ori perspective. I am well acquainted with the P\u0101keh\u0101 perpective. We all grew up in the P\u0101keh\u0101 world. I know your language and understand your ways. They are my language and ways as well. However, how many in P\u0101keh\u0101dom know this language of yours and mine, those customs and that history of ours? We must correct that balance so that we can all develop nicely in this country. This is all for now of my address; I fully support this bill, and thanks to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u00224e2f7ba1857f40bb8a3e9ddad77c2ed3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224e2f7ba1857f40bb8a3e9ddad77c2ed3\u0022\u003EKELVIN DAVIS (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tokerau):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Chair. K\u0101tahi an\u014D ahau i whai t\u0101ima, i whai w\u0101 ki te k\u014Drero ki t\u0113nei \u0113ngari tuatahi, m\u0101ku e t\u0101pirihia \u014Dku mihi maioha, \u014Dku poroporo\u0101ki ki runga i t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 mate, n\u0101 Marama i whakahuatia mai, ar\u0101, ko taku hoa a Shaun Stevenson, \u0101, kua tukua atu ki Te K\u014Dp\u016B o Te Whenua i te rangi nei, i te ata nei. T\u0113tahi o \u014Dku hoa whakaako i roto i ng\u0101 kura, \u0101, ko ia te t\u016Bmuaki o te kura takawaenga o Waim\u0101hia o roto o Te Tonga o T\u0101maki-makau-rau. N\u0101 reira e te hoa Shaun, e moe, e moe, e moe atu r\u0101! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EHanga p\u014Duri ana ahau kia rongo e k\u014Drero ana t\u0101tou i te pire i roto i te w\u0101hanga katoa. Ko t\u0101ku e hiahia ai kia whakawehewehe i te pire nei, ki roto i \u014Dna w\u0101hanga e rima kia \u0101ta tirohia e t\u0101tou, ki \u0101ta w\u0101nangahia e t\u0101tou ng\u0101 w\u0101hanga o t\u0113nei pire. \u0112ngari kia ahatia r\u0101, i te mea horekau ahau i konei! Kua rongo ahau he whakaritenga i waenganui i \u014D m\u0101tou kaiwhakahaere o Te Whare, ka w\u0101nangahia t\u0113nei pire i roto i te w\u0101hanga kotahi. \u0112ngari e pai ana t\u0113n\u0101, ko t\u0101ku e hiahia ana kia \u0101ta w\u0101nangahia, kia whakawh\u0101itihia, kia tino whakakaha ai i t\u0113nei pire. Hei aha? Hei oranga m\u014D t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo. E \u0101wangawanga ana ahau n\u0101 te tino wh\u0101nui o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero, ka kore t\u0101tou e whakapakari ai i t\u0113nei pire. \u0112hara i te mea e hiahia ana ahau, kia haukotihia te haere ki roto i Te Whare \u0113ngari, i runga i t\u014Dku tino aroha m\u014D t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo, koia t\u0101ku hiahia kia k\u014Drero ia w\u0101hanga. \u0112ngari, kia ahatia r\u0101!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EE ai ki ng\u0101 k\u014Drero, te k\u014Drero o te tupuna a Peeni: \u201CKo Te Reo te mauri o te mana M\u0101ori.\u201D N\u0101 reira, kei roto i t\u0113n\u0101 k\u014Drero e whakahuatia ana, he aha te take, he mea tika t\u0113nei pire! N\u0101 reira, tautokongia ana e ahau w\u0113n\u0101 k\u014Drero rangatira a T\u0101 H\u0113mi, e p\u0101 ana ki t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Chair. At last I have the opportunity and time to address this, but, in the first instance, I add my affectionate and farewell tributes to those of the deaths alluded to by Marama Fox, namely Shaun Stevenson, a friend of mine who was interred this morning in the bowels of the earth. He was a fellow teacher and the principal of Waim\u0101hia Intermediate School in South Auckland. And so, my friend Shaun, rest, sleep and slumber on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI am disappointed to hear that this bill is to be debated together as one. What I really wanted done was to debate the five parts of this bill separately, part by part, so that we could examine and debate each part carefully. But never mind, because I was not here! I heard that our parliamentary officials agreed amongst themselves that this bill be taken as one. That is fine, but what I really wanted was to have this bill debated properly, refined, and made even more powerful. And why? As nourishment for our language. I was concerned that because the contributions were so wide-ranging we would not be able to strengthen this bill. It was not as though I wanted to hinder its progress through the House, but rather because of my real empathy for our language; but never mind.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EAccording to the saying by Peeni\u2019s grandfather: \u201CThe language is the essence of M\u0101ori integrity.\u201D Therefore, mentioned in that saying is what the purpose is\u2014this bill is a legal one! So I endorse those esteemed sentiments of Sir James H\u0113nare in terms of our language.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EFirst of all, Marama Fox acknowledged the passing of an esteemed kaum\u0101tua. I just also want to, in the first instance, acknowledge the passing of a good friend of mine, who was actually the deputy principal of the school that I was principal of. He was principal of Waimahia Intermediate School in South Auckland. He passed away last Friday. He was a great M\u0101ori educator, and I would just acknowledge Shaun Stevenson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThis is the first opportunity I have had to talk on this bill, and I was disappointed to hear that we are talking about the parts of the bill as one whole. I was hoping that we would break the bill into parts and deliberate on each of the parts, not so that we could slow down the passage of the bill or be obstructive, or anything like that, but because I believe that we really need to pay due respect to the bill, so that we really strengthen it and get the bill right. I believe we have an obligation to Te Reo M\u0101ori to make sure that this bill is as good as it can possibly be. Like I say, I did not want to do that to slow down the passage or be obstructive, but it is just because of the depth of feeling I have personally, and I am sure others have, for Te Reo M\u0101ori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EIt was Peeni Henare\u2019s grandfather who said: \u201CKo Te Reo te mauri o te mana M\u0101ori.\u201D\u2014the language is the life-force of being M\u0101ori. I could not agree more. If we do not have our Reo, if we do not have our language, then who are we as M\u0101ori? It is absolutely what binds us together, and it is important that we really do justice to this bill. Some of the concerns I have, in particular with the scope and purpose of the bill, is that it is mainly administrative. If we look at clause 3(1) it says: \u201CThis Act\u2014(a) replaces the M\u0101ori Language Act 1987; and (b) amends the Broadcasting Act 1989; and (c) amends the M\u0101ori Television Service (Te Aratuku Whakaata Irirangi M\u0101ori) Act 2003.\u201D When the Minister within 3 years goes to review this, those are really simple things to tick off and say that, yes, we have replaced the M\u0101ori Language Act, we have amended the Broadcasting Act, and we have amended the M\u0101ori Television Service (Te Aratuku Whakaata Irirangi M\u0101ori) Act. The reality is that this bill needs to do more than that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI came into the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee right at the end of the deliberation\u2014I came over from another select committee\u2014and the first thing I note is that I firmly believe that the purpose of a M\u0101ori Language Act should be to increase the number of M\u0101ori speakers and to improve the fluency of M\u0101ori speakers. If at the end of 3 years we cannot demonstrate an increase in the number of M\u0101ori speakers and an increase in the fluency of people, then I believe that this bill will be a waste of time. That has got to be front and centre. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EIt was added\u2014sort of\u2014under clause 3(3)(b), which states that the Act \u201Cprovides for Te M\u0101t\u0101wai and the Crown to develop M\u0101ori language strategies to support the revitalisation of the M\u0101ori language, including by promoting an increase in the number of people speaking the M\u0101ori language and improving their fluency in that language;\u201D. It was added in as an afterthought and it is not right at the front and centre of this clause, which is where I believe it should be. That to me is the purpose of this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe last thing I want to see is that in 3 years\u2019 time, in 10 years\u2019 time, or in 20 years\u2019 time we have not made a difference even though we have passed this bill. It is wonderful that the bill is in both languages. It is wonderful that both languages have equal status, but if there is a dispute between which one should take precedence it is the M\u0101ori version that takes precedence. That is wonderful. But what is the point in having a M\u0101ori language bill if in 30 years there is no one around who can actually read it and understand it? What is the point in having it in two languages if we do not have the people there who can read it and understand it? The bill is great. It does affirm the status of Te Reo M\u0101ori and I congratulate the Minister on making sure that the bill is in both languages. But the reality is that, front and centre, we need to have as the purpose of the Act to increase the number of the speakers and to improve their fluency. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EClause 3(2) says: \u201CThe purpose of this Act is\u2014(a) to affirm the status of the M\u0101ori language as\u2014(i) the indigenous language of New Zealand;\u201D\u2014so that has affirmed what the M\u0101ori Language Act 1987 said\u2014\u201C(ii) a taonga of iwi and M\u0101ori; and (iii) a language valued by the nation;\u201D. OK, so if it is a taonga for iwi and M\u0101ori, and if it is a language that is valued, I believe we need to have an apology in this bill\u2014an apology to our parents and grandparents and great-aunties and great-uncles for being punished for speaking Te Reo M\u0101ori. I know that there is going to be an acknowledgment, but I do not believe an acknowledgment goes far enough. I believe there should be an apology. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EBasically, the disciplining of children for speaking M\u0101ori at school is partly to blame\u2014and largely to blame\u2014for the fact that many M\u0101ori now cannot speak the language, and I believe that it is essential that there is an apology. I know that Treaty settlement bills that are going through and Acts that have been passed have an apology of sorts for a number of things, but I believe that we should have an apology for our forebears being strapped and caned for speaking M\u0101ori. It is not good enough just to have an iwi getting an apology for a whole heap of things as well as their people not being able to speak M\u0101ori. I think an apology needs to be seen as essential. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI am not sure what the downstream effects of an apology are, and I just wonder whether the Government is actually concerned that if we apologise now, it might lead to downstream effects and other issues. I do not know. I genuinely do not know, but I honestly do believe that an apology to M\u0101ori for our forebears being whacked at school is essential. OK, the education system has tried to make amends. You know, we now have k\u014Dhanga reo, we have kura kaupapa M\u0101ori, and we have w\u0101nanga. You know, that is great, but now it is almost getting to the stage where it is too late. I actually heard somebody say, probably 15 years ago when I was still a principal, that it is unfair now to leave the burden of revitalisation of Te Reo M\u0101ori up to schools.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u00224b3afdce0cff441a8f7b51ce014a4738\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224b3afdce0cff441a8f7b51ce014a4738\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour\u2014Hauraki-Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E Tuatahi t\u0113nei ka t\u016B ake ki te tuku taku mihi maioha ki t\u0113r\u0101 kaum\u0101tua o Ng\u0101i T\u016Bkairangi, Ng\u0101i Te Rangi, a Matiu Dickson, e Koro, ko t\u014D momo kei waenganui i Te Whare W\u0101nanga o Waikato. Ko koe t\u0113tehi i tino tautoko ng\u0101 tauira, kia rapu i \u014D r\u0101tau nei whakaaro o Te Ao M\u0101ori, kia tuitui ki ng\u0101 mahi o ng\u0101 r\u014Dia, n\u014D reira, ka nui te mihi atu ki a koe, me te m\u014Dhio an\u014D, ko koe t\u0113tehi he kaipupuru o ng\u0101 taonga kei waenganui i a koutou o M\u0101taatua waka, o Te Moana-nui-a-Toi. \u0100, ka whaki \u014D ringa i ng\u0101 mahi nunui kei waenganui i a m\u0101tau o Waikato, n\u014D reira, e moe, kia \u016B t\u014D moe!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EKi a t\u0101tau katoa, k\u0101re au e tino hiahia ki te tarapeke ki w\u012Bw\u012B, ki w\u0101w\u0101, ki ng\u0101 whiti katoa o te pire nei. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 pea m\u0101ku hei whakah\u0101ngai i \u0113tehi o \u014Dku nei whakaaro e p\u0101 ana ki te whakap\u0101ha. I kite au i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero o te perehitini o Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori, \u014Dna whakaaro. Ko taku hiahia kia whakap\u0101ha atu Te Karauna m\u014D \u0101 r\u0101tau mahi \u014D mua, me ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga kei runga i \u014D t\u0101tau nei t\u016Bpuna, m\u0101tua, kei waenganui i ng\u0101 kura. N\u014D reira i t\u0113n\u0113i w\u0101, m\u0101ku hei whakar\u0101popoto, hei whakam\u0101rama pai te take ka tono atu ki Te K\u0101wanatanga kia arohia \u014D koutou nei whakaaro ki t\u0113nei t\u012Bnihanga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E[Firstly, I stand to express my affectionate tribute to that elder of Ng\u0101i T\u016Bkairangi and Ng\u0101i Te Rangi, Matiu Dickson. Oh, elder, your ilk was one of a kind at the University of Waikato. You really supported students to investigate their M\u0101ori ideology and entwine it into the work of a lawyer. So I have much admiration for you, knowing full well at the same time that you were one of those among your midst who possessed the prized knowledge of ancient times of the M\u0101taatua canoe and of the Bay of Plenty province. Your hands revealed the great work that was going on amongst us of Waikato. Therefore, rest and sleep forever.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI want you all to know that I do not intend hopping about this bill from clause to clause. Instead, perhaps I will focus some of my thoughts on the apology. I saw the comments of the president of the M\u0101ori Party and her thoughts. I want the Crown to make an apology for its wrongdoings in the past against our ancestors and parents, and amongst schools. So at this time I will summarise and explain the reason well as to why you, the Government, should consider this amendment.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI want to just ensure that I explain with a level of diligence and clarity the proposal that I have on Supplementary Order Paper 165 to propose an amendment to the bill and include an apology. It was for the simple reason that several members preceding me in this debate have identified: some of the hurtful and harmful effects of M\u0101ori language not being allowed within the school system, grandparents telling that story, and how that impacted on the next generation\u2014actually whom I would call my aunties and uncles\u2014who do not speak Te Reo M\u0101ori. That was the total sum impact of corporal punishment from their parents not being allowed to speak M\u0101ori in school. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EYes, we have had the resurgence of Te Reo M\u0101ori through k\u014Dhanga reo, kura kaupapa, and wharekura, but it seems to me only right, given that we have moved on as a country, to have some kind of acknowledgment in this particular bill about why it would be necessary to not only make an acknowledgment of some of the systemic historical impacts\u2014and it is not to assert blame to any one Government. It is to say this is a fact of our history, and if we recognise it in the same way that we recognise the facts of history in Treaty settlements, then we are able to move on, which is why I think an apology is far better than an acknowledgment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI accept, Minister Flavell, that perhaps, in terms of the time spent by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, if we could have used the select committee process to be able to capture a more full acknowledgment and apology, that could have been time well served, but I had hoped\u2014in my participation in this debate, and in debates with many others on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee\u2014that we were not going to make politics of something as important as this. But I still hold out the belief that if we want to ensure that when people look to Te Pire m\u014D Te Reo M\u0101ori\u2014and it does have a different architecture to the M\u0101ori Language Act that preceded it; it does propose an ongoing commitment of both iwi M\u0101ori and the Crown to protect, revitalise, and grow Te Reo M\u0101ori\u2014we would have some kind of pillar to be able to hinge the architecture of this particular bill on, because it is a little bit different. It will require an ongoing obligation of the Crown to participate in a partnership model for Te Reo M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EAgain, it is my firm belief that we need to recognise the Native Schools Act 1867, because one of the omissions in this particular bill\u2014and the Minister will acknowledge that\u2014is that we do not have the ability through this bill to impact on the public education system as it stands now, and we need to. If we are serious about the ongoing contribution of iwi M\u0101ori and the Crown to lifting the participation and the speaking of Te Reo M\u0101ori in all areas so it becomes a working language for everybody, at whatever level that you have, then the education system is fundamental to that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI am the kind of person who believes that making people learn a certain language is probably not the best way, but if M\u0101ori was a core subject and did not have to compete with science, maths, or English, then you would see a lot of students, in fact, make very different decisions about the value of Te Reo M\u0101ori. Right now they are having to choose subjects based on how it is timetabled, and if M\u0101ori became a core subject and it did not have to compete with other core subjects, then I do believe that more people would see it is as an avenue to build our shared understanding of what New Zealand is all about, because we know that in learning a language you learn more about a culture. In learning another language, we can share that in a very positive way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ESo the amendment that I have, which I believe should fall directly after the purpose of the bill because, again, it hinges to the whakapapa of this particular bill and the repealing of the M\u0101ori Language Act, is that we could have a summary of historical events that made a very clear reference to the Native Schools Act, and then an apology. It is very simple, but if every party in this Committee agrees to an apology then we will be saying, actually, it is time to move on. Yes\u2014and the Minister for M\u0101ori Development made a very good point in his contribution\u2014iwi already have the opportunity to have an apology made specifically through their Treaty settlement process, and I agree with that. However, this is the bill to do it in a very generic manner that says that for the future of our country and the building of national identity, the Crown acknowledges that it has a role to play in the ongoing protection, preservation, and growth of Te Reo M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI looked at the Minister\u2019s acknowledgment, on Supplementary Order Paper 164. There could well be politics in this, but it seems to me that the acknowledgment that is proposed in proposed new clause 5A falls short, in my view, because what it does is it defaults the acknowledgments to Treaty settlements only, and this bill covers everybody, everywhere. It is not to diminish the Minister\u2019s proposal, but I am saying that what is different about Te Pire m\u014D Te Reo M\u0101ori is that it covers everybody, everywhere, and it is an opportunity for us as parliamentarians to show leadership. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI am concerned about the comments made by the M\u0101ori Party president, who took it upon herself to remind me of some local facts. Yes, Ng\u0101ti Koroki Kahukura do have acknowledgments about Te Reo M\u0101ori within their particular legislation, but I would hazard a guess\u2014in fact, I was with them this morning\u2014that they would not be opposed to having a more generic apology to all M\u0101ori and all iwi in the way that I am proposing. I understand that there have been a few frantic phone calls as a result of some social media activity, trying to discredit Labour\u2019s intention and saying that it is being divisive. No, it is not, actually; it is trying to be constructive. We did try at the select committee to propose this, and the chair, Nuk Korako, will confirm that it was something that he seriously considered could be opened up, but there was not an appetite for it, so I understand that. I believe that if this is going to pass as an amendment, it should pass with the full consent of the Committee, and that we should not make politics of it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIn addition to clause 3 in particular, I do believe it is an improvement in this day and age of a global community\u2014and given that New Zealand has signed the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\u2014that we make specific recognition that M\u0101ori was an indigenous language of New Zealand. That was an amendment by our select committee because we believed that at a time\u2014and it is happening in every country\u2014when there is more multiculturalism and intermarriage and things like that, the status of M\u0101ori within our own country needed to be recognised, which is why we inserted that. The fact that it is a taonga of iwi M\u0101ori and of the nation I think, again, is a helpful amendment, but we should ensure consistency as we go through, and I think the review may well pick up that if we are not going to do it in the Committee of the whole House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EFinally, on clause 3 in particular, it seems to me, Minister, if you did take a call on the proposed amendment that I have made, it would be useful to know whether through the Committee stage there would be some thought for you to give this to drafters and officials and consider it, and whether you think there is a political appetite for it, and if not, why not. I certainly do not want to be going out to hui and being in a defensive position around this particular issue\u2014to hui that we all attend as M\u0101ori members of Parliament on this particular matter. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EWe have been constructive at every point of the juncture. In fact, my colleague Kelvin Davis made a very contribution as to why an apology is very important, and I could not add any more to the good comments he has made. But what I can say is that when go out in front of our own people at hui and we talk about Te Pire m\u014D Te Reo M\u0101ori and our shared aspirations to see ongoing commitment to the survival, growth, and protection of our M\u0101ori language for all New Zealanders so that it becomes a living, working language, then an apology, just as it does with Treaty settlements, offers people the opportunity to move forward and look towards a new way of trying to determine how the M\u0101ori language can be a language for everybody. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022 data-id=\u0022876c61811171447fa64c2df38ef8490a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022876c61811171447fa64c2df38ef8490a\u0022\u003EJONO NAYLOR (National):\u003C/span\u003E Tuatahi, he mihi ki Te Atua n\u0101na nei ng\u0101 mea katoa, ng\u0101 mihi ki a koutou, ki ng\u0101 hoa o Te P\u0101remata, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. He pai te r\u0101 nei m\u014D Aotearoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003E[Firstly, acknowledgments to God who created everything, and to you fellow colleagues of Parliament, greetings. This is a good day for New Zealand.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003EToday is a good day for Aotearoa New Zealand. It is a good day in that we are moving forward with this Te Pire m\u014D Te Reo M\u0101ori / M\u0101ori Language Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208550f1d34834c439eda09f3176dbd11\u0022\u003EHon Te Ururoa Flavell\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s the best bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022665ec73a182e475f96b81f98a9b09bf9\u0022\u003EJONO NAYLOR\u003C/span\u003E: I hear it is the best bill from the best Minister. This is, I think, a very positive thing for New Zealand. This is a very good bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003EI know that we are taking all parts together, but today in this contribution I want to focus on Te W\u0101hanga 1, and in particular on te whiti 3(2). In that subclause, there are some really important things that are said: \u201CKo te aronga o t\u0113nei Ture\u2014(a) he whaka\u016B i te mana o te reo M\u0101ori hei\u2014(i) reo taketake m\u014D Niu Tireni; (ii) taonga hoki m\u0101 ng\u0101 iwi me ng\u0101i M\u0101ori; (iii) reo hoki ka kaing\u0101kautia e te motu; (iv) reo whai mana \u0101-ture hoki m\u014D Niu Tireni; (b) he tuku \u0101whina hoki hei tautoko, hei whakarauora hoki i te reo M\u0101ori.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003EThere is something in particular I want to focus on out of that, and that is this particular phrase that is used, \u201Creo hoki ka kaing\u0101kautia e te motu;\u201D\u2014a language that is valued by the nation. I think it is too easy often for people like myself, European New Zealanders, P\u0101keh\u0101, or whatever it is that we refer to ourselves as from time to time\u2014I think \u201Cskinny white boy\u201D was one I used in my second reading speech, but I am not so skinny anymore. This is an important factor for us to think about, because too often, as I say, people like me think of Te Reo M\u0101ori as something that is important for M\u0101ori, and it is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003EKelvin Davis referred to it, and again drew our attention to the fact that it is a taonga for M\u0101ori, for iwi, for hap\u016B, for wh\u0101nau, but, actually, if we are going to move Te Reo M\u0101ori forward it is going to have to be something that is important to all of our nation. I think that statement in the bill to some degree is aspirational because, unfortunately, I do not know that Te Reo M\u0101ori is valued by our whole nation. I think it is beholden on us as the leaders of this nation, who sit in this Parliament on behalf of our nation, to actually make a statement and put a stake in the ground\u2014which I believe we are doing through this bill\u2014to say this is important for all of our nation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003EI posted my second reading speech on Facebook\u2014sometimes we do these things and we do not know what is going to happen. I had an overwhelming response to that on social media. It was incredibly humbling to see that happen. My record number of posts reached on Facebook\u2014I am not a huge success on social media, as usual, in normal terms\u2014was 14,500 people. Well, the reach of that post went to 98,000. Almost 100,000 people ended up viewing the video of that second reading speech. I cannot explain that to any degree, but what I can say is that the comments and the encouragement I have received say to me that actually now the people of Aotearoa New Zealand are starting to value Te Reo M\u0101ori. They are starting to understand the importance of this language to our nation as a whole, not just to M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003EI have been humbled by the number of people who have been encouraged by what I said, have been encouraged by things that have been said right through this House, and are encouraged by the intent of this bill. This bill, I believe, is something that is going to take us further. It is going to make us stronger as a nation, and it is going to ensure that as we go forward we will be a better and stronger nation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003EI do want to focus on Te W\u0101hanga 1 still, but in te whiti 4(3) it says: \u201CK\u0101ore e herea, e p\u0101ngia r\u0101nei e t\u0113nei wehenga ng\u0101 haepapatanga o te Karauna e p\u0101 ana ki te reo M\u0101ori.\u201D Sorry, that is not particularly good, and, even for those people who do speak Te Reo M\u0101ori, I will give them the English as well, because they probably did not understand my Reo then because I was a little bit rushed. I just want to focus on this section, where it recognises the importance of the M\u0101ori language as a taonga for iwi and for M\u0101ori. Here in clause 4(3), it says that this section does not limit or affect any responsibilities of the Crown in relation to the M\u0101ori language. I think that is a really, really important factor. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003EI totally support the establishment of Te M\u0101t\u0101wai, and I think it is incredibly important that actually a certain level of the responsibility around the language is taken up by M\u0101ori and that the Crown does not presume to be able to do that on behalf of M\u0101ori. But I think the Crown is also still beholden to ensure that we play our part in ensuring that Te Reo M\u0101ori has its place\u2014as has been referred to by previous speakers\u2014within this House and within our legal proceedings, and to ensure that it remains in that status as one of our official languages of New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003ESo I really look forward to seeing the continued passage of this bill through the House. I am excited by it. I think it is going to produce some positive effects for New Zealand going forward. I am exceptionally proud of the fact that although there has been very much a collaborative approach\u2014and I know there has been across the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee by all parties in this House\u2014one of the things that I do just want to remind people about is that this is still part of the Government\u2019s programme of legislation. This is not members\u2019 day; this is all of us agreeing together. But, actually, some of the criticism that people have had over time sometimes around this\u2014although I have had mostly positive feedback on Facebook, there was the odd negative bit that presumed that the National Party was not actually interested in doing this. But this is a Government bill. I am proud to stand behind it and I am really going to be pleased to see its passage and for it be a part of New Zealand going forward. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00221d24ba60bfc44181963624b7c43eb94d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221d24ba60bfc44181963624b7c43eb94d\u0022\u003EADRIAN RURAWHE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Hau\u0101uru):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Heamana o Te Whare. I want to first of all go to Supplementary Order Papers 164 and 165. Typically, in settlement bills\u2014and members will be familiar with this\u2014there are three significant parts, from my point of view, which make up the apology. There is the historical context, which is summarised by the agreed history, which is within the deed of settlement and summarised within the bill. There are the acknowledgments that come out of the historical context\u2014the Crown acknowledges the breaches. Then after that there is the Crown apology. So there are three parts to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EWhat I want to do is draw from that model to what we have here today within Minister Flavell\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper 164, which deals with the acknowledgment and part of the history, and we have Supplementary Order Paper 165 from the Hon Nanaia Mahuta, which looks at the historical context and supplies an apology. I think all three components are very important. I stand to support the historical context, the acknowledgment, and the apology. To me, if you have only the acknowledgment, then you are missing two very important components of a model that is expressed within every single settlement bill that has been through this House, particularly the later ones. I think some of the earlier bills had a different model.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EMy point, in supporting that this legislation have an apology, is that an apology would express that to every single M\u0101ori in this country who has not had the opportunity to speak our own language. I include myself in that, as well. I have struggled with learning Te Reo M\u0101ori. I would love to be able to complete this entire speech in Te Reo M\u0101ori, but I do not have that ability. I think that if I look at my own situation\u2014and I mentioned this in my first contribution\u2014there has been historical and intergenerational trauma attached to Te Reo M\u0101ori. We can talk about it, and many members in the House have spoken about it, but let us give it a name: historical and intergenerational trauma because of acts that happened. For example, the Native Schools Act 1867 and other actions within the education system meant that my grandparents were all hit for speaking Te Reo M\u0101ori. So they protected their children. They protected them, in my instance, by insisting that their children respond to them in English. They would speak to them in Te Reo M\u0101ori, but their children had to respond in English, so that when they went to school they were not beaten. The next generation did not have native speakers of Te Reo in our homes because our parents spoke mainly English.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI think that every person of my generation, and the next generations also, who has not had the opportunity to speak our own language as a first language should be apologised to. I think that just simply acknowledging that something has gone wrong is not enough. I stand in support of Supplementary Order Paper 164, too\u2014that the Crown apologises to iwi M\u0101ori for the detrimental effects of its policies, which have caused, in my opinion, historical and intergenerational trauma that we still sustain today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI also just want to quickly move to the part of the bill that talks about providing means to support and revitalise the M\u0101ori language. What is not defined is how you quantify the revitalisation of the M\u0101ori language. What we do know from statistics, from both those who have never had the opportunity to learn Te Reo M\u0101ori and those who have, is that over a period of time the number of Te Reo M\u0101ori speakers has reduced quite considerably, by over 4 percent in a period of 12 years from 2001 to 2013. My question is: how do we quantify that? Do we leave it to Te M\u0101t\u0101wai, which determines the Maihi M\u0101ori strategy, and the Crown, which determines the Maihi Karauna strategy, to quantify that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI certainly want to talk about my expectation around what revitalisation of Te Reo M\u0101ori actually means, because that is not defined within the bill. From my perspective, every single person who has been denied the opportunity to speak and to learn Te Reo M\u0101ori ought to have that opportunity, so that\u2014as my colleague Kelvin Davis has said\u2014the numbers increase, and so that those who are not fluent in Te Reo M\u0101ori will raise their level of fluency. I think it would be helpful in the future for Te M\u0101t\u0101wai and for the Crown to be able to determine their strategies. That is all I have to say on this part of the bill for now. Ng\u0101 mihi nui ki a koutou katoa i tuku atu i \u014D koutou whakaaro i Te Reo M\u0101ori, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Huge congratulations to you all on expressing your opinions in the M\u0101ori language, well done.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u0022b844355cdc63437a8377e1d8a805845d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b844355cdc63437a8377e1d8a805845d\u0022\u003EKELVIN DAVIS (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tokerau):\u003C/span\u003E I would just like to go back to the apology\u2014and my colleague Nanaia Mahuta has, I believe, an excellent Supplementary Order Paper\u2014and I think we need to make it really clear that we are not putting it on the Government of today to say that it must apologise. I do not think that is what\u2014well, we are not saying that. What we are saying is that this House, and all of us in it representing the various parties and representing the history of those various parties, need to put that apology across to te iwi M\u0101ori wh\u0101nui\u2014M\u0101ori in general. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EYou know, this is not about whipping today\u2019s Government; this is about this House acknowledging the damage that has been caused to us as a people over many, many decades, and putting it right, and then, as Nanaia so eloquently said, moving on. That is what it is doing. We just want to put this behind us, and I believe, as Adrian Rurawhe has said, that everybody who has been denied the ability to speak Te Reo M\u0101ori deserves that apology. So it is not about saying the National Government or the M\u0101ori Party, or whatever, needs to put in this apology; we need to do it together. Again, as Nanaia Mahuta has said, all of us\u2014every party\u2014need to agree to it. I believe that it is just an act of healing and letting us move on, because we do want to move on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI also acknowledge what Jono Naylor said when he referred to clause 3(2)(a)(iii), which says \u201Cto affirm the status of the M\u0101ori language as \u2026 a language valued by the nation;\u201D. I agree with him when he says he does not think that the language really is valued by the nation as a whole. Clause 3(2)(a)(ii) says \u201Cto affirm the status of the M\u0101ori language as \u2026 a taonga of iwi and M\u0101ori;\u201D. Actually, I would like to think that we say it is a taonga of iwi and M\u0101ori and the whole nation. Subparagraph (iii) goes on to say \u201Ca language valued by the nation;\u201D, but I think that Te Reo M\u0101ori is a taonga of the whole nation as well as of iwi and M\u0101ori in that, as we know, it is spoken only in New Zealand. It is indigenous to this country, and it should be acknowledged as a taonga for the whole country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EBut then, also, I believe that M\u0101ori, in order for our Reo to survive, we actually have to let go of\u2014I do not know how to say it without it sounding bad\u2014some of the control. We cannot on our own, any more, save Te Reo; we need the whole country to be there with us. So when I walk into the community and I want to speak Te Reo M\u0101ori or conduct my daily business in Te Reo M\u0101ori, and I walk into a shop and I would love to be able to have a conversation with the person behind the counter, I cannot say: \u201COh, no. That person\u2019s not M\u0101ori, so there\u2019s no point in trying.\u201D I would love to be able to have a conversation with that person. And that is way that Te Reo M\u0101ori is going to thrive and flourish\u2014if whole communities speak Te Reo M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI remember a person\u2014quite a well-known M\u0101ori\u2014saying: \u201CNo, I don\u2019t want P\u0101keh\u0101s to learn Te Reo. I don\u2019t want them to know what I am saying when I walk into a room.\u201D This was about 15 years ago. I thought that that was just the most stupid\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221075a8dc3cc8401db00d22ec49b22c44\u0022\u003EPeeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Ignorant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef52a463364648ceb73b6cbbd5b3c3b1\u0022\u003EKELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014ignorant idea ever. I would love to be able to conduct this debate entirely in Te Reo. Just like Adrian Rurawhe has said, you know, he does not have the capability to conduct a debate entirely in Te Reo\u2014I am the same. Probably the best person would be Peeni Henare, and it has nothing to do with the calibre and the quality of his teacher in form 2, I have to admit. But, you know, would it not be wonderful if every single one of us just stood up and fluently debated this bill in Te Reo M\u0101ori? Would that not be just the most wonderful thing for New Zealand? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI say to M\u0101ori that we actually need to start working more and more with non-M\u0101ori to ensure the survival, because we cannot just rely any more on traditional intergenerational transfer of Te Reo. It would be wonderful if that happened, but it just is not happening. We cannot rely on traditional methods of language transmission any more. We actually have to start looking at non-traditional methods of language transmission, and it will seem unnatural to us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EWe can still do a lot of things in a M\u0101ori context, but the traditional way was to speak M\u0101ori in the home, to speak M\u0101ori on the marae, and to sit down at the feet of your elders and listen and ask questions. In fact, it was Peeni\u2019s grandmother\u2014I remember asking her, my Auntie Betty, and I said: \u201CAuntie, p\u0113hea koe i ako ai i Te Reo M\u0101ori?\u201D. I said: \u201CHow did you learn to speak M\u0101ori?\u201D. She said: \u201CI used to sit down and listen and then ask questions. I would say \u2018What did you mean by this? What did you mean by that?\u2019.\u201D But we cannot really rely on those traditional methods any more because we do not have the depth and the numbers of fluent speakers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EWe have to start looking at non-traditional ways of doing things. I have mooted this idea before, about having Trivial Pursuit in Te Reo\u2014total immersion Trivial Pursuit nights on the marae. That is not a traditional method of transfer, but it is using a M\u0101ori context to still be able to transfer the language. I have talked about newspapers having, say, once a week, a whole page in Te Reo M\u0101ori. I have talked about having M\u0101ori writing clubs, where we get people sitting on a marae, writing their life story in Te Reo M\u0101ori, or even just writing fiction in Te Reo M\u0101ori, and sharing it and putting it online. We have to start finding ways that do not rely just on speaking and listening. We need to use all the language modes\u2014writing, reading, as well as speaking and listening\u2014so we need to be creative in looking for new ways to transfer the language. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EAdrian Rurawhe also referred to this word \u201Crevitalisation\u201D, which pops up all the time\u2014revitalising Te Reo M\u0101ori. What does that mean? One person learning the language\u2014we can say that that is revitalisation. We need to actually have some goals and some targets so that we really do know how many more people, because of this bill, are able to speak M\u0101ori and are also improving their fluency, as I have said earlier. We need to be able to measure that. That, to me, will give some idea of revitalisation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EOur M\u0101ori caucus in the Labour Party was having a bit of a w\u0101nanga, and we asked what the statistics are saying. What I think we came up with was that between 2004 and 2012, we had a 3 percent drop in the number of people who were able to speak M\u0101ori. At that rate, probably in the next 30 years there will be next to nobody who is able to speak M\u0101ori. We cannot allow that level of language diminishment over the course of time. We need to be able to measure the problem, and it is not easy. Let us not make any mistake\u2014it is not easy to measure those sorts of things, but we actually need to do it if we are to make any sort of an improvement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EWe need to be able to increase the number of contexts out in the community where Te Reo M\u0101ori is spoken, such as in businesses, in shops, in post offices, and in banks. We cannot legislate for a bank or a business to hire M\u0101ori speakers, but we can create the conditions where it is easier for its staff to start picking up the language of their business and support it in ways like that. It is vital if we are to increase the number of speakers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe other word in this bill is \u201Csupport\u201D\u2014to provide the means to support and revitalise the M\u0101ori language. You know, what does support really mean? It is going to actually cost money. That is one of the big issues. It is going to cost money to create the resources and to create the support in order to increase the number of Te Reo M\u0101ori speakers. We need to talk long and hard\u2014what does support look like? What does revitalise actually mean? What are our targets over the next 3 years, the next 6 years, and the next 9 years? If we are just going to have this bill\u2014OK, we are going to have two strategies. I have heard about strategies before, and I would really like to know the contents of what those strategies could be. I know we have to leave it up to Te M\u0101t\u0101wai to develop those strategies, but they really do need to be grunty strategies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u0022481ae26250ec48c8b6b2a5b431ae65cd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022481ae26250ec48c8b6b2a5b431ae65cd\u0022\u003EMARAMA DAVIDSON (Green):\u003C/span\u003E E Te Tiamana, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, huri noa i t\u0113nei Whare t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tau katoa. \u0100, ka tika kia t\u016B ahau m\u014D R\u014Dp\u016B K\u0101k\u0101riki ki te tautoko i t\u0113nei pire. Ki a m\u0101tau, he pire rangatira t\u0113nei, \u0101, n\u014D reira e Te Minita, t\u0113n\u0101 hoki koe m\u014D t\u0113nei mahi whakahirahira.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Chairman, and greetings to you all in this Chamber. It is appropriate that I stand on behalf of the Green Party to endorse this bill. In our view, this is a noble bill, and so I commend you, Minister Flavell, for this outstanding job.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI am going to turn now to speak in English, which is my first-learnt language. That is the whole point, actually, of my speech. We stand to support Te Reo M\u0101ori bill. We particularly strongly support Nanaia Mahuta\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper 165, which calls for a Crown apology to all of us. The Supplementary Order Paper also recognises the impact of the policies, rather racist from the day, and is an overarching apology from the Crown. The Greens would like to flesh out further some of the examples and the ways in which our people have been impacted upon. This is important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EOne of the previous speakers, Jono Naylor, talked about some of the negative social media comments that he attracted when he put himself speaking M\u0101ori up on his page. There is still some of that around, and I will go into further examples of what this apology can do, which is to help to break down the wedge of misunderstanding that we still have a hangover from. It means that too many people do not understand, and are quite fearful of, what Te Reo M\u0101ori should mean for all of us in Aotearoa. Anything that fosters understanding will also create a healthier partnership for Te Tiriti for this country. I particularly wanted to honour those of our t\u016Bpuna\u2014those whose voices paid the price for the very impacts of colonisation that almost wiped away our language.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI want to turn again to previous speaker Jono Naylor. He has my full tautoko. I honour Jono Naylor, a member of Parliament for the National Party, in his genuine support to speak Te Reo, to support efforts to revive Te Reo M\u0101ori, to support his M\u0101ori mokopuna to be around Te Reo, and to see it being valued and honoured within his wh\u0101nau because it is also their language and their taonga and, therefore, it becomes the taonga of the whole family, whether they are M\u0101ori or not. I honour the member Jono Naylor, and it also sharply reminds me of the irony of the time Jono Naylor spoke about his reach on social media to hundreds of thousands, from speaking the very language that my grandmother was beaten for in her native school in her time. I honour you, Jono Naylor, and it reminds me why this apology is so important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EThat one beating of one young girl for speaking her native tongue effectively wiped out Te Reo for the following three generations of her wh\u0101nau; the third generation are my children. To this day, it has taken us three generations to put Te Reo back into our whakapapa. That is my grandmother, her seven children, her\u2014I lost count of her grandchildren, and even more great-grandchildren. One beating, effectively, wiped Te Reo out of all of the rest of the tree down. And so this is where the apology is important for us to acknowledge those people who paid the price, while continuing to acknowledge the support of non-M\u0101ori like Jono Naylor and their mahi to put right what went wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI recall the late Dr Nin Tomas of Auckland University, law lecturer. I recall my very first day in one of her classes as a young M\u0101ori law student. I recall Nin Tomas opening her lecture to all of her students with a greeting in Te Reo. I recall a young non-M\u0101ori behind me getting rather grumpy, angry, and muttering: \u201CThis isn\u2019t an effing M\u0101ori class.\u201D I recall her persistence to continue with her inclusive welcome, regardless of those challenges, of those rather racist misunderstandings, and of that fear that she faced, and I remember her.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI think about my colleague, my co-leader Metiria Turei. I think about her journey in overcoming what we all, as learners, have to overcome to stand in this House and sometimes be ridiculed for it\u2014to speak her own language. I think further about learners\u2014most of us here are actually learners, and we have been open about our journey and the challenges we face. I have said often that my grandmother was beaten by colonisation for speaking her language. Kua patua t\u014Dku kuia e te K\u0101wanatanga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E[My grandmother was punished by the Government.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EIt is not lost on me that the very first time I tried to say that sentence, I got it wrong, and I said: \u201CMy grandmother hit the P\u0101keh\u0101.\u201D It is really easy to get the stuff in Te Reo wrong, and the irony of trying to explain in my grandmother\u2019s language that it was beaten out of her and getting the sentence wrong the first time I tried to say that in M\u0101ori was, I thought, one of the best symbols of exactly what has happened to my family.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EIt has taken the sweat, the blood, the hard work, and mainly the aroha of our people that we have got any of it still here today. It has been because of people like Hana Jackson, and I recall her leading the petition brought to this very House a petition and a h\u012Bkoi, which I am happy to say my own father was part of supporting. It became the job of young M\u0101ori, like Ng\u0101 Tamatoa, who had lost their Reo and were standing up with love and anger to get it back. It became the work of the long and arduous Te Reo M\u0101ori claim before the Waitangi Tribunal in 1987, which finally\u2014fancy that\u2014made our own language official. It made our own language official.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI want to celebrate the strength of our nannies, who started up the k\u014Dhanga reo movement. Huri noa i te motu [throughout the country], in the back of the garages\u2014breaching all sorts of safety standards, breaching all sorts of set-up standards, but doing it anyway, from love for our Reo and from love for their mokopuna. I want to celebrate the wh\u0101nau today who are stumbling, but still carry on to learn our Reo.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EThis is why an apology is important\u2014an apology. Despite all of it, we survive. An apology would be the absolute show of strength of a nation and of this House. An apology would be a show of really wanting to acknowledge what happened, and that we can go forward. It is long overdue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003ESo, to finish, I endorse that New Zealand is the only place in the world where we can call this language ours, where we can save it, cherish it, love it, and speak it officially in a House of Parliament. While Te Pire m\u014D Te Reo M\u0101ori / M\u0101ori Language Bill is not the be-all and end-all of our Reo journey, it is important. It is important because the Crown needs to maintain a responsibility to put back what was taken away, not just from M\u0101ori but from our whole nation. New Zealand would do well to offer a full apology, it would do well to honour the hard work that has happened to restore our Reo, and I celebrate the strength and support Nanaia Mahuta\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022 data-id=\u0022e5e87e8561034295b1fe125d405f76eb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e5e87e8561034295b1fe125d405f76eb\u0022\u003EPAUL FOSTER-BELL (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Kaiwhakahaere. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa e ng\u0101 mema. In rising to take a brief call in the Committee stage debate on Te Pire m\u014D Te Reo M\u0101ori / M\u0101ori Language Bill I too want to remember my grandmother, as Marama Davidson, who has just resumed her seat, did with her grandmother. I would also like to thank the Attorney-General, the Hon Chris Finlayson, for passing around some interesting historical notes about the treatment of the M\u0101ori language in various communities. Reading those notes reinforced to me something that my grandmother actually told us about when we were very small children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EMy grandmother Lena Foster is Te Aup\u014Duri from the very far north. She went to a school in the Hokianga that was, I guess, one of those schools that was founded under the Native Schools Act 1867, which some members have already referred to. I can recall that at the age of about 6 or 7\u2014it must have been around about then because \u201CPoi E\u201D had just been released and was charting in the top ten\u2014I was on a beach holiday at a little place called the Nook. Not Nuk Korako; Nook spelt \u201CN-o-o-k\u201D, which was a very popular little beach and swimming spot near P\u0101rua Bay, just outside of Whangarei. On that holiday we were there in the caravan with grandma and grandad, and I remember her telling us that as a small girl at that school in the Hokianga she was one of those people who had been struck for speaking the language of her ancestors, with an old-fashioned 1-foot wooden ruler on the knuckles.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EAs a 6 or 7-year-old I thought that it was extraordinary that anyone would be punished for wanting to communicate in a language. I always admired people who were fluent in another tongue and had that language capability, and I just thought that it was absolutely extraordinary that any system would permit the persecution and prohibition of the speaking of any language. However, those notes provided by the Hon Chris Finlayson, which were very interesting, did back that up entirely and provided a wide range of testimony. It always impressed me that my grandmother was able to sit and listen to Te Karere every evening and understand what was being said, but it seemed strange at the time that she never chose to speak that language. That is why my father never picked it up, and that is why we, his children, were not fluent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EI was very lucky, I suppose, that in the third form at high school I had \u0112rima H\u0113nare, the late father of Peeni Henare\u2014whom I would like to also acknowledge today\u2014as a social studies teacher. He made sure that as part of the curriculum that was delivered there, knowledge and awareness of M\u0101ori culture\u2014tikanga\u2014was included, and a few M\u0101ori words were snuck into the lessons. It is a wonderful thing that we have moved beyond that stage of very bad treatment of the M\u0101ori language and those who choose to speak it, to recognising in this bill that M\u0101ori is a taonga, and it is actually the iwi themselves who are the kaitiaki of that language.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EThe State may never have actively sought to persecute M\u0101ori, even though that happened within State institutions such as schools. Similarly, it can never be entirely left up to the State to be the defender and protector of a language. It must be the people to whom that language belongs who are the true champions and defenders of the language. I think that is dealt with very appropriately in the bill, and I would really like to congratulate and acknowledge the Minister for M\u0101ori Development, the Hon Te Ururoa Flavell\u2014who, I think, is my fourth or fifth cousin\u2014for his careful work, his dedication, and his labours. I thank him for the intensive work that has gone into getting this bill to the Committee stage in the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EThis bill repeals the M\u0101ori Language Act 1987. It has got a number of provisions that have been discussed already in the Committee stage, and I look forward to taking perhaps a further call after there has been some more debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022 data-id=\u0022cc5a6181c1a74da791a1e1edbe708129\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cc5a6181c1a74da791a1e1edbe708129\u0022\u003EPITA PARAONE (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, e Te Heamana, \u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou o Te Whare. Aroha mai e te tuakana, t\u0113n\u0101 pea kia riro ki a koe te k\u014Drero whakamutunga. Koin\u0101 te t\u016Branga m\u014D ng\u0101 rangatira. Ahau nei n\u0101, he iti noa iho t\u0113nei tangata n\u0101 reira koin\u0101 te take kia whakaw\u0101tea Te Heamana ki a au i t\u0113nei w\u0101. Kia ahatia? Kei te kotiti haere au i t\u0113nei w\u0101 \u0113ngari. Kei te tautoko ng\u0101 mihi i mihingia ki t\u0113n\u0101 i whakahuangia te tuahine a Marama n\u0101 reira, kei te tautokongia i a r\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EE t\u0101tou m\u0101, ki a au nei, i roto t\u014Dku whakaaro, karekau k\u0113 t\u0113nei pire i tino whakatau i t\u014D t\u0101tou tino hiahia kia whakanuia ng\u0101 tangata whenua, ng\u0101 kainoho o te motu nei ki te k\u014Drero M\u0101ori. I te mutunga o te r\u0101, kei a t\u0101tou aua kaupapa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EMahara ana au i t\u0113r\u0101 tau, i karanga mai t\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 tari K\u0101wanatanga, ng\u0101 kaimahi o t\u0113n\u0101, o t\u0113n\u0101 o ng\u0101 tari K\u0101wanatanga ki te whakak\u014Drerohia te kaupapa, me p\u0113hea i a t\u0101tou o Aotearoa kia whakanuingia t\u0113tahi tau 175 tau, o te hainatanga o Te Tiriti o Waitangi. I taua w\u0101, ko te kaiwhakahaere he P\u0101keh\u0101. Ka t\u016Bt\u016B mai te tangata nei, e karanga atu i a t\u0101tou i roto t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo Rangatira. Tino rawe tana k\u014Drero. Tukuna atu Te Reo whakamoemiti i te t\u012Bmatanga mai o \u0101 t\u0101tou huihuinga. I muri mai i t\u0113n\u0101, i whakam\u0101rama mai, ko wai ia, n\u014D hea, me \u0113r\u0101 atu t\u016Bmomo k\u014Drero. I mua i tana nohonga i tono atu ki te hui nei, ki t\u0113n\u0101 o ng\u0101 tangata i tae atu nei, kia whakam\u0101rama mai ko wai i a r\u0101tou, e aha ana t\u0101 r\u0101tou t\u016Branga me \u0113r\u0101 atu t\u016Bmomo \u0101huatanga. Tokowh\u0101 ng\u0101 kaimahi M\u0101ori i tae atu ki taua hui. Ng\u0101 hunga P\u0101keh\u0101, ki a r\u0101tou katoa ka t\u016Bt\u016B mai ki te k\u014Drero t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo Rangatira. Tae atu ki ng\u0101 M\u0101ori, karekau k\u0113 i k\u014Drero M\u0101ori. Whakam\u0101 ana au.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI muri mai i taua hui, i whakaaro ana au m\u0113n\u0101 e hiahia i a t\u0101tou ki te whakaora tonu i t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo Rangatira, \u0113hara n\u0101 m\u0101tou o Te Ao M\u0101ori kia tau w\u0113n\u0101 whakaaro. Ko ng\u0101 P\u0101keh\u0101 k\u0113. Koin\u0101 te take i mea atu ki a t\u0101tou i te r\u0101 nei, i a m\u0101tou i roto o Aotearoa Tuatahi, karekau k\u0113 t\u0113nei pire e tino tae atu ki te kaupapa i r\u0101rangitia i roto te pire nei.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Chairman, and acknowledgments to all of us. Apologies, oh senior one, perhaps you can deliver the final speech. It is a role for esteemed ones. I am just this insignificant person, and that is why the Chairman gave me the opportunity to speak this time. So what? But I digress. I endorse the tributes accorded and mentioned by sister collegue Marama. I support them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EColleagues, in my view this bill does not satisfy our real desire to increase the number of indigenous people and residents to speak M\u0101ori. At the end of the day, those initiatives become ours.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI recall a Government department last year inviting staff from this and that department to discuss ways in which New Zealand could celebrate the 175th signing of the Treaty of Waitangi. The manager at the time was a P\u0101keh\u0101. This man got up and welcomed us in our esteemed language. His speech was really magnificent. Even his prayer to begin our conference was in Te Reo M\u0101ori. Subsequent to that he explained who he was and where he was from, all that kind of talk. Before he sat down, he invited other attendees to introduce themselves by saying who they were, what their role was, and so on. Four M\u0101ori staff attended that conference. All of the P\u0101keh\u0101 staff who stood up to address us did so in our esteemed language. When it came to the four M\u0101ori staff they did not speak M\u0101ori. I was embarrassed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EAfter that conference I thought to myself, if we want to revive our esteemed language, that decision is not ours of M\u0101oridom to make. It is really with P\u0101keh\u0101. And that is why we of New Zealand First assert that this bill does not quite meet the purpose outlined in this bill.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI have just been saying that I have doubts about whether or not the intent of this bill will, in fact, be achieved in the way that it has been put together. We have heard a lot of talk about the need for an apology, and that is in reference to the Supplementary Order Papers put up by both the Minister and the Hon Nanaia Mahuta. We take a different view because we do not believe that it was the Crown that was responsible for the loss of Te Reo M\u0101ori. If you recall, in the early 1950s, when T\u0101 Apirana Ngata was at his zenith as a statesman, a politician, and, in fact, a receptacle of things M\u0101ori, it was people like him and his generation who encouraged the system to encourage our children to speak English. That is fine, because in those days we had a number of M\u0101ori who were articulate in their mother tongue, but over the years that has been lost. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI do not, for one moment, think that we need to depend on this bill to revitalise the use of Te Reo. I would suggest to those of us in this House who are M\u0101ori that if we go home to the w\u0101 k\u0101inga, go home to our marae, there you will learn your Reo. We do not need legislation for us to increase the number of Te Reo speakers. That, I believe, is where the crux of all this is at the moment. The fact that the purpose of this bill is to affirm the status of the M\u0101ori language\u2014I have no problem with that, but I do not believe that it will provide a means to support and revitalise the M\u0101ori language. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EThe bill talks about the establishment of Te M\u0101t\u0101wai. Earlier on in this debate, the other day, I made reference to the difficulty\u2014and it was certainly articulated in the number of submissions that were received by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee\u2014of selecting a speaker for each of the seven regions that contain a number of iwi. Can I say that for Tai Tokerau, when the consultation hui facilitated by Te Puni K\u014Dkiri to articulate how this process should take place\u2014the call from that meeting was that we should do away with listing the various iwi and just leave it as a blank board, and let the people of the region determine who should be representing them on Te M\u0101t\u0101wai. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI will tell you why\u2014and the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations will appreciate this\u2014in the north they want to do their settlements by way of hap\u016B. They recognise hap\u016B, and why? Because it was hap\u016B who signed the Treaty of Waitangi. One particular hap\u016B, because their name was not on the list provided by the Crown, have chosen not to participate, and the irony of it is that they are one of the few hap\u016B who actually have a Te Reo strategy. If you consider the number of iwi around the country who have proceeded to adopt a language strategy for themselves before this bill has even come into law\u2014for that reason, we believe that this bill, while it is well intended, will not reach its intention as set out in Part 1 of the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EThe other thing I want to talk about is the notion of Te M\u0101t\u0101wai being the group that will carry the aspirations, the kaupapa, of Te Reo M\u0101ori, as against the Crown, the responsibility of which will be undertaken through Te Taura Whiri i Te Reo Maori. We noticed that there are no new resources available for this, so we realise that that is probably why we are getting the support for this bill at this stage\u2014because there are no new resources being talked about. What has happened is that we are taking from Peter to pay Paul as part of this whole process. It is a little bit difficult to accept that we have been presented with something new and that we should accept it, because, in looking at a number of the submissions, that was another concern that was expressed by submitters: the lack of resource that would allow for Te M\u0101t\u0101wai to carry out its responsibility. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EThe other concern that I have been able to pick up from around the motu\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u00222953861bd5734311847044df5bba85ec\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222953861bd5734311847044df5bba85ec\u0022\u003EPEENI HENARE (Labour\u2014T\u0101maki Makaurau):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Heamana, ng\u0101 mihi nui ki a koe, otir\u0101, ki a t\u0101tau i te p\u014D nei. E tautoko ana ahau i ng\u0101 tangi apakura ki ng\u0101 mate huhua o te w\u0101, haere atu r\u0101 koutou, haere atu r\u0101 koutou, haere atu r\u0101 koutou!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKia whakahokia mai ng\u0101 r\u0101rangi k\u014Drero ki a t\u0101tau i te pito ora, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tau katoa! Kua rangona waku taringa i w\u0113tahi whakatau\u0101k\u012B n\u014D ng\u0101 iwi puta noa i te motu wh\u0101nui nei. N\u014D reira, ka noho ahau ki te whakatau\u0101k\u012B a t\u014Dku tupuna a T\u0101 H\u0113mi H\u0113nare. Hei t\u0101na, ko Te Reo te k\u0101kahu o te whakaaro me te huarahi ki te ao t\u016Broa o te hinengaro. N\u014D reira, ka taea e au te whakapuaki i waku whakaaro m\u014D te take nei, ka noho ahau ki roto i Te Reo M\u0101ori. Ka tautoko ahau i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero kua k\u014Drerohia e te nuinga i te r\u0101 nei. An\u0101, ko te pepa whakarerek\u0113tanga nei a t\u014Dku tuahine nei a Nanaia Mahuta.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI \u0101ia tonu nei ka rukuhia ki ng\u0101 h\u014Dhonutanga o te pire, ki Te W\u0101hanga 1, an\u0101, ko te k\u014Dnae 3, e k\u012Bia nei e te mema ki t\u0113r\u0101 taha o Te Whare a Jono Naylor, \u0101e, he mea pai t\u0113n\u0101! Kua kite t\u0101tau, an\u0101, he reo taketake Te Reo M\u0101ori ki Niu T\u012Breni. He taonga o ng\u0101 iwi katoa me Ng\u0101i M\u0101ori, me t\u0113tahi reo e ng\u0101kaunuitia ana e te motu wh\u0101nui. Mehemea ko t\u0113r\u0101 te aronga o t\u0113nei pire, ka huri atu te wh\u0101rangi ki te whiti 4, ki te whiti 4, n\u0113? Koin\u0101 t\u0101ku e tautoko ana i te k\u014Drero a t\u014Dku tuakana, a Kelvin e mea atu ana, mehemea e hiahia ana kia tupu pai ai t\u014D t\u0101tau Reo M\u0101ori, he aha te take ka tohua ki roto i te mea nei, n\u0101 te M\u0101ori anake t\u0113nei taonga? Hei t\u0101na, me tukuna atu ki te motu wh\u0101nui! Ki te ng\u0101kaunuitia e te tangata Te Reo M\u0101ori, t\u0113nei taonga o t\u0101tau, t\u0113n\u0101, tukuna t\u0113tahi w\u0101hanga ki roto i te whiti 4 m\u014D te motu wh\u0101nui. Me kaua t\u0101tau e wh\u0101iti nei te titiro, \u0101, o te ng\u0101kaunui ki Te Reo M\u0101ori, ki a Ng\u0101i M\u0101ori anake. Koin\u0101 t\u0101ku e mea atu ana, horekau he p\u0101nga o t\u0101 te P\u0101keh\u0101 i t\u0113nei taonga o t\u0101tau mehemea ka peia e t\u0113nei pire i a r\u0101tau i roto i te whiti 4. He huri k\u014Daro nei t\u0113r\u0101 whakaaro mai i te whiti 3 mehemea e hiahia ana m\u0101 te motu wh\u0101nui t\u014D t\u0101tau Reo M\u0101ori \u0113ngari, ko te k\u012B atu ki roto i te whiti 4 nei, e k\u0101hore! Ka peia te P\u0101keh\u0101 ki roto i t\u0113r\u0101 whiti. Ka noho t\u016Bturu ko te taonga o Te Reo M\u0101ori, ki a Ng\u0101i M\u0101ori anake, \u0101e! Kei Te Iwi M\u0101ori te taonga o Te Reo M\u0101ori \u0113ngari, koin\u0101 t\u0101ku e mea atu ki te hiahia t\u0101tau, kia pu\u0101wai mai, ka tupu haere Te Reo M\u0101ori ki runga i te motu wh\u0101nui, t\u0113n\u0101, tukuna i te w\u0101hanga ki a Ng\u0101i P\u0101keh\u0101 m\u0101. Tukuna te w\u0101hanga ki te motu wh\u0101nui, kia ng\u0101kaunuitia ai e r\u0101tau t\u014D t\u0101tau Reo M\u0101ori. Koin\u0101!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKa t\u012Bkina atu ahau i \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a t\u014Dku tuakana a Pita ki roto o Aotearoa Tuatahi. Ka peke atu ahau ki te \u0101pititanga 3 o te pire, e k\u014Drero ana m\u014D ng\u0101 iwi ka whai p\u0101nga ki Te M\u0101t\u0101wai. E k\u014Drero ana m\u014D ng\u0101 r\u014Dp\u016B h\u0101pori ka whai p\u0101nga ki Te M\u0101t\u0101wai, a wai atu raini ko ng\u0101 peka m\u0101tauranga ka whai p\u0101nga ki roto i Te M\u0101t\u0101wai. N\u0101, e tautoko ana ahau i te k\u014Drero t\u0101 te mea, mehemea ka whai t\u016Branga a te hunga noho t\u0101one ki roto i te \u0101pititanga 3 o t\u0113nei pire. Ko te karanga o Te Tai Tokerau, me wehe atu a T\u0101maki-maka-rau i te puna iwi, puna hap\u016B raini o Te Tai Tokerau, t\u0101 te mea i t\u0113nei w\u0101 e mea atu ana ko te w\u0101hi tuatahi, an\u0101 mai i T\u0101maki-makau-rau atu ki Te Rerenga Wairua. N\u0101, ko te hiahia i a au e huri haere ana ki roto i waku whanaunga o te k\u0101inga r\u0101 o Te Tai Tokerau o Ng\u0101puhi wh\u0101nui, e k\u012Bia nei, \u0101e, kua whai t\u016Bru te hunga noho t\u0101one ki runga i Te M\u0101t\u0101wai, ka tika! E mihi atu ana ki t\u0113r\u0101 \u0101huatanga. N\u014D reira, he aha te take ka t\u0101piri tonu a Te Tai Tokerau ki a T\u0101maki-manaku-rau? Ahakoa ng\u0101 whakapapa e mea atu ana, an\u0101, ko ng\u0101 pou katoa o te whare tapu o Ng\u0101puhi, n\u0101, ka toro atu ki roto i te t\u0101one o T\u0101maki-makau-rau. Ahakoa t\u0113r\u0101! Ko t\u0101ku e mea atu ana, ko te t\u016Bru m\u014D te hunga noho t\u0101one, he mea pai t\u0113n\u0101. \u0112ngari, ko te hiahia o waku rahi ki roto i Te Tai Tokerau, me whakataiapangia e r\u0101tau ki roto i t\u014D r\u0101tau ake rohe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EHei h\u0101pai ake i te k\u014Drero o Te Whare nei, kai roto te mana o Te Reo M\u0101ori i ng\u0101 ringaringa o ng\u0101 hap\u016B me ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau. E tautoko ana au i t\u0113r\u0101 whakatau a t\u014Dku wh\u0101nau a Ng\u0101ti Hine. Kua roa rawa m\u0101tau e h\u0101pai ana i Te Reo M\u0101ori. Ahakoa Te M\u0101t\u0101wai, ahakoa Te Pire Reo M\u0101ori tuatahi i tau ki roto i Te Whare, i ng\u0101 tau waru tekau kua pahure ake, kua roa rawa m\u0101tau o Ng\u0101ti Hine e \u016B ana ki t\u014D t\u0101tau Reo M\u0101ori. An\u0101, ki roto i ng\u0101 mahi rangahau a T\u0101kuta Benton i ng\u0101 tau whitu tekau, ka mea, e rua ng\u0101 w\u0101hi o te motu wh\u0101nui kai reira Te Reo M\u0101ori t\u016Bturu. Ko t\u0113tahi, ko te raorao o Te Urewera, ko Ru\u0101toki, an\u0101, ko t\u0113r\u0101 w\u0101hi \u0101taahua o te motu nei. Ko te mea tuarua, n\u0101, ki roto i a m\u0101ua ko Pita, ar\u0101 ko Ng\u0101ti Hine. Ko reira ka kite koe i Te Reo M\u0101ori t\u016Bturu, e k\u014Drerohia ake nei ki roto i te hapori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI te w\u0101 i haere te r\u014Dp\u016B whiriwhiri i te take nei, ki ng\u0101 h\u0101pori, ki ng\u0101 t\u0101one ki te whakarongo ki ng\u0101 k\u014Drero, an\u0101, i tae mai a Ng\u0101ti Hine ki te k\u014Drero m\u014D te pire nei. Te pai o t\u0113r\u0101 korero. N\u0101, i\u0101ia tonu nei ka huri atu ki t\u0113tahi atu kaupapa, e \u0101hua h\u0101ngai ana ki t\u0113r\u0101. I te taenga mai o Ng\u0101ti Hine, ka mea nei t\u0101tau, \u0101e, e m\u014Dhio ana t\u0101tau he aha t\u0113nei mea Te Reo M\u0101ori. Ko te hiahia, ka p\u0113hea t\u0101tau e whakatupu ake i te hunga k\u014Drero M\u0101ori. An\u0101, ko te hiahia kia tono atu ki te ao o te m\u0101tauranga. \u0112ngari, ko te hiahia kia tohu ki roto i Te Maihi Karauna, me k\u012B, i te T\u0101h\u016Bh\u016B o Te M\u0101tauranga, kia aro t\u014Dtika atu ki t\u0113nei mea ki Te Reo M\u0101ori, n\u0113?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKa whakaaro ake ahau ki te whiti 7 ki roto i te pire nei. \u0100e, kei konei. E mea ana, ko te whiti 7 o te pire nei, Te W\u0101hanga 2, n\u0101 ka kite koutou i te k\u014Drero: \u201CThis guidance does not confer on any person any legal right that is enforceable in a court of law.\u201D Ka whakaaro ake ahau ki Te R\u014Dp\u016B Whakamana i Te Tiriti o Waitangi. Kua roa rawa Te Iwi M\u0101ori e mea atu ana, e hoa, he raiona niho kore t\u0113r\u0101 r\u014Dp\u016B. Ahakoa te pai o w\u0101 r\u0101tau k\u014Drero, w\u0101 r\u0101tau r\u012Bpoata, te kaha ki te whakarongo ki te iwi, w\u0101 r\u0101tau nawe, mamaetanga. Ahakoa t\u0113r\u0101, ka k\u012B atu Te Iwi M\u0101ori, \u0101, ka pai! \u0112ngari, he raiona kore niho nei. N\u0101, ka kite t\u0101tau ki roto i te whiti tuawhitu r\u0101. \u0112hara i te tohutohu i Te K\u0101wanatanga kia whakat\u016B \u0101huatanga kia piki ake Te Reo M\u0101ori, k\u0101hore! E mea atu ana, he mea \u0101hua tohutohu nei i a koutou \u0113ngari, kaua e m\u0101harahara\u2014kaua e m\u0101harahara! \u0112hara i te mea, ka patungia e koutou ki te kore koutou e mahi i ng\u0101 mahi ki roto i te pire nei. K\u0101hore! Koin\u0101 t\u0101ku e mea atu ana, ko t\u0113r\u0101 whiti, te whiti 7, e mea atu ana, an\u0101 he raiona niho kore pea, kore pea! T\u0113n\u0101 pea ki roto i te rautaki whakarauora i Te Reo M\u0101ori o Te Maihi Karauna, t\u0101tau ka kite mehemea ka whai mana t\u0113r\u0101 whiti ki roto i w\u0101 r\u0101tau mahi. \u0112ngari i te w\u0101 nei, ka mea atu \u0113hara i te tohutohu, e mea atu ana mehemea e hiahia ana koe\u2014mehemea e hiahia ana koe. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 pea he tino take t\u0113r\u0101 ki a au nei, t\u0101 te mea ka tangi te pire, \u0101, kia ora t\u0101tau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E[Thank you very much, Mr Chair; huge acknowledgments to you and to us all this evening. I endorse the mournful laments to the many, many deaths of the moment; depart, journey on, farewell to you, the deceased.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAllow me to bring the discussion back to us, the living, to the world of life; so greetings to us all. My ears have heard aphorisms that belong to tribes from throughout this country, so I will stay with a proverb from my grandfather, Sir James H\u0113nare. His one stated that the M\u0101ori language is the cloak of thought and the pathway to the enduring world, and so that it is possible for me to articulate my thoughts about this matter I will remain speaking in the M\u0101ori language. I support the statements made by the majority today. There was Supplementary Order Paper 165 from this sister colleague of mine, Nanaia Mahuta.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI will delve into the depths of the bill right away, into Part 1, clause 3, as referred to by the member Jono Naylor, on the other side of the Chamber. Yes, that is a good thing. There we see that the M\u0101ori language is indigenous to New Zealand. It is a treasure of all tribes and M\u0101oridom, and the wider nation is committed to it. If that is the focus of this bill, then let us turn to clause 4. That is the reason why I was supporting the statement of Kelvin Davis, my elder kin: that if the purpose is to make the M\u0101ori language flourish, why does this clause say that this treasure belongs solely to M\u0101ori? To him, it should be provided to the wider nation. If an individual is committed to the M\u0101ori language, to this treasure of ours, well then, provision should be made for the wider nation here. We should never narrow our outlook in terms of commitment to the M\u0101ori language and restrict it to M\u0101ori alone. That was what I have been saying: P\u0101keh\u0101 have no interests in this treasure of ours if a restriction is imposed upon them by this bill in clause 4. That perception contradicts clause 3; even if the wish is that our language be for the wider New Zealand, clause 4 is actually saying no. P\u0101keh\u0101 are being restricted in that clause. Yes, the treasured element of the M\u0101ori language remains with M\u0101oridom permanently, but, that aside, if we want the M\u0101ori language to grow and blossom widely in the country, well then, allow P\u0101keh\u0101dom to participate in that process. That is what I am advocating. Allow New Zealand - wide full participation and to commit themselves to our Maori language. That is it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI draw upon some of my elder kin Pita Paraone\u2019s statements from New Zealand First, and jump to Schedule 3 of the bill, which talks about tribal, community, educational, and other interests relating to Te M\u0101t\u0101wai. I would support the statement if urban M\u0101ori gain representation in Schedule 3 of the bill. Te Tai Tokerau has made the call that T\u0101maki-makau-rau be removed from the tribal or subtribal cluster of Te Tai Tokerau. Currently, and in the first place, the cluster is from T\u0101maki-makau-rau to Cape R\u0113inga. Now, what I wanted to know as I travelled around amongst my Ng\u0101puhi relatives at large of that place in the far north\u2014saying as I did so, yes, the urban ones have gained representation on Te M\u0101t\u0101wai, and quite rightly so, which I commend\u2014is: so why is Te Tai Tokerau still merged with T\u0101maki-makau-rau? Despite the genealogy saying all the pillars of the sacred house of Ng\u0101puhi extend into the city of Auckland. That aside, I affirm it is a good thing for those living in town. But what my people from Ng\u0101puhi really want is to be fenced into their very own region.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ETo endorse what has been stated in this Chamber, the validity of the M\u0101ori language is in the hands of subtribes and families. I support that determination of my Ng\u0101ti Hine family. We have supported the M\u0101ori language for a very long time. Regardless of Te M\u0101t\u0101wai and the arrival of the first M\u0101ori Language Bill into the House in the 1980s, Ng\u0101ti Hine has been committed to the M\u0101ori language for a long time. It was stated in research undertaken by Dr Richard Benton in the 1970s that there were two places in the country at large where the primary spoken language was M\u0101ori: one was Ru\u0101toki, that beautiful place situated there on the lowlands of Te Urewera; the second place is where myself, Pita Paraone, and Ng\u0101ti Hine are. You will witness and hear M\u0101ori spoken as the first language in the community.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWhen the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee travelled to towns and communities to hear submissions on the bill, Ng\u0101ti Hine came to speak on the bill. It was a good oral submission. And now I would like to focus on another matter which is related to that. When Ng\u0101ti Hine arrived, they said that they know what the M\u0101ori language is; they wanted to know how to grow the number of M\u0101ori speakers and also expressed a desire to ask the Ministry of Education to focus directly on the M\u0101ori language, but under the Maihi Karauna strategy instead, yes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI wish to consider Part 1, clause 7, of the bill. Yes, it is over here. As you can see, it states that \u201CThis guidance does not confer on any person any legal right that is enforceable in a court of law.\u201D That made me think of the Waitangi Tribunal. M\u0101ori people have said for a long time that the tribunal is like a toothless lion. Although it makes wonderful statements and reports, and makes an effort to listen to the grievances and hurt of the tribe\u2014that is fine, M\u0101ori say, but it is still a toothless lion. As we can see in clause 7, it does not force the Government to establish initiatives to uplift the M\u0101ori language. The clause provides recommendations, but do not be concerned: you will not be attacked if you do not implement the provisions in the bill. That is why I said that, because of clause 7, the tribunal is perhaps like a toothless lion. Maybe we will find through the M\u0101ori language revitalisation strategy of the Maihi Karauna that that clause will be implemented. However, at this time it is not enforceable, but is only an optional guide. And so, perhaps it is an important issue because the bell has just rung, so compliments to us.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022 data-id=\u00226e9e4d6e16e848279dfcdba65ef430c8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226e9e4d6e16e848279dfcdba65ef430c8\u0022\u003EHon TE URUROA FLAVELL (Minister for M\u0101ori Development):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora t\u0101tau katoa e Te Whare, kia ora t\u0101tau e k\u014Drero nei m\u014D te \u0101huatanga o ng\u0101 mate kua p\u0101 mai ki a t\u0101tau i t\u0113nei r\u0101, \u012Bn\u0101 tata nei. Ko ng\u0101 mea e k\u014Drerohia ake ana e t\u0113n\u0101, e t\u0113n\u0101, \u0101, ka tangihia ake. M\u014D ko ake ka rere ng\u0101 whakaaro ki Tauranga Moana, ki Mauao, ki te \u0101huatanga ki taku tuakana ki a Matiu, ko ia t\u0113r\u0101 i noho n\u0101 hei Kaihaut\u016B m\u014D ng\u0101 take ture i roto i Te Whare W\u0101nanga o Waikato \u0113ngari, he hoa tata. Taku putanga i Te Kura o T\u012Bpene, \u0101, noho tahi m\u0101ua. N\u014D reira, kua noho wahangu m\u014D te w\u0101 ki te whakarongo ki ng\u0101 k\u014Drero ka mutu i t\u0113nei w\u0101, ka tuku atu au i taku k\u014Drero ki taku hoa, ki taku tuakana me tana wh\u0101nau: \u201CTaihoa ake nei e hoa ka tae atu ki a koe. Ko t\u0113nei kaupapa m\u014D Te Reo, koia t\u0113tahi kaupapa i ng\u0101kaunuitia mai ai e koe i te w\u0101 i a koe e takat\u016B ana i te mata o te whenua. Koia nei te tangi o te ng\u0101kau ki a koe, e moe, e moe, \u0101 taihoa ake nei ka tae atu ki a koe.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003ET\u0113n\u0101, ka hoki mai ki a t\u0101tou te hunga ora t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou m\u014D te \u0101huatanga o t\u0101 t\u0101tou w\u0101nanga, he w\u0101nanga kai te haere, he k\u014Drero kai te haere, \u0101, he rerek\u0113 te whakaaro o t\u0113n\u0101, \u014D t\u0113n\u0101, \u0101, ka pai, koin\u0101 te \u0101huatanga o te w\u0101nanga. N\u0101, he w\u0101w\u0101hi te \u0101huatanga o taku karo i \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero me p\u0113nei rawa te k\u014Drero, \u0113hara t\u0113nei i te mutunga mai, ko te t\u012Bmatatanga k\u0113 mai. \u0112hara i te mea m\u0101 te pire i tona kotahi t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo e ora ai, k\u0101re kau, kare kau. Kai te rata atu ki te k\u014Drero o t\u0113r\u0101 a Pita Paraone me tana k\u012B mai: \u201C\u0100 t\u0113n\u0101, ki te kore te ng\u0101kau e hiahia ki te k\u014Drero M\u0101ori, ka kore te tangata e k\u014Drero M\u0101ori. Ki te kore te tangata e hiahia ki te k\u014Drero H\u0101moa, ka kore a ia e k\u014Drero H\u0101moa.\u201D N\u014D reira, ko te ng\u0101kau t\u0113r\u0101 ka kawe i t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo ki t\u014Dna taumata. H\u0101unga t\u0113nei pire, he pepa, he pepa! \u0112ngari ko te ng\u0101kau, ki te kore te ng\u0101kau e hiahia, \u0101, k\u0101re he take o t\u0113r\u0101 wh\u0101inga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EE aroha atu ana ki te k\u014Drero \u0101 \u0113tahi e mea ana: \u201CKare e kaha ki te k\u014Drero M\u0101ori i roto i t\u0113nei Whare.\u201D Ha, i nanahi nei w\u0101 t\u0101tau k\u014Drero katoa i Te Reo M\u0101ori, katoa i Te Reo, he aha i kore i i t\u0113nei r\u0101? A, waiho t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero ki reira. Kai te matatau t\u0101tau katoa? Kare kau, kare kau. Ko au t\u0113tahi i ako i Te Reo, t\u0101tou! N\u014D reira, kia kaua t\u0101tau e mataku ki te k\u014Drero i t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo. Koia nei kei te p\u016Btake o t\u0113nei k\u014Drero. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EE hoa m\u0101 kotahi tau te roa o t\u0113nei kaupapa. I te w\u0101 i tae mai au hai Minita n\u0101ku te k\u014Drero, taihoa, tukuna. Tuatahi, whakakaohia katoatia ng\u0101 tono ki Te Komiti M\u0101ori, t\u012Bkinahia ng\u0101 k\u014Drero, kohikohia, tirohia ng\u0101 k\u014Drero o roto. P\u0113hea e taea ai te titiro aua k\u014Drero? N\u0101ku tonu t\u0113tahi r\u014Dp\u016B i whakakao mai ki te \u0101ta wetewete, ki te \u0101ta ruku i te h\u014Dhonutanga ki \u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero. T\u0113r\u0101, t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero! Ka rua, kaua e titiro noa ake ki \u0113r\u0101 tono, haere i te mata o te whenua, i p\u0113r\u0101 rawa r\u0101tau. Kaua ko te w\u0101 kotahi \u0113ngari, e rua ng\u0101 h\u012Bkoi i te mata o te whenua, ki te whakam\u0101tautau i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero i whakahokia mai ai ki roto i te pire. An\u0101, i whakakaotia an\u014Dtia \u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero katoa ka mutu, ka whakatakotohia ki mua i Te Komiti M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EKai te rongo ake au i \u0113tahi k\u014Drero h\u014Du e mea ana, \u0101, me p\u0113nei, me p\u0113r\u0101, ha! I roto i \u014D koutou ringaringa t\u0113nei kaupapa, k\u0101re au i rongo i t\u0113tahi e k\u012B ana, me p\u0113nei, me p\u0113r\u0101. \u0112ngari ko te whakat\u012Bnanatanga, ko t\u0113nei pire! Kai te aro tonu atu ki te \u0101huatanga o te kupu whakap\u0101ha e k\u014Drerohia ake nei e taku tuahine, a Nanaia. \u0112ngari, i whakam\u0101tauria koutou m\u014D t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero. I whakatakotohia e koutou t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero ki roto i Te Komiti M\u0101ori, e ai ki t\u0101ku i rongo nei inanahi, k\u0101re te katoa i whakaae mai. N\u014D reira, me p\u0113hea e taea ai e t\u0101tau te k\u014Dkiri t\u0113r\u0101 take? Kai te rongo ake i te k\u014Drero, kai te rongo ake i te wairua, kai te rongo ake i te ngako o t\u0113r\u0101 hiahia. Kore e taea te karo. Kore e taea te karo i t\u0113r\u0101 hiahia \u0113ngari ko t\u014Dna whakat\u012Bnanatanga kai reira te raruraru. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EKai te rongo ake i te k\u014Drero a Te Kelvin Davis nei kia toko ake te hiahia o te motu ki te k\u014Drero M\u0101ori. \u0100, ka mutu kia \u0101ta kaute tonu i te hunga k\u014Drero M\u0101ori m\u0101 reira, ka taea te titiro ki te pakari r\u0101nei, ki te ngoikore r\u0101nei o t\u0113nei mea o te k\u014Drero M\u0101ori. \u0100 t\u0113n\u0101, he mahi uaua t\u0113r\u0101, p\u0113nei i taku k\u014Drero i nanahi nei, he uaua i te mea, ko te tatauranga e k\u014Drerohia ake nei, ia 4 tau te roa o ng\u0101 tatauranga n\u014D reira, p\u0113hea e taea ai, he uaua. \u0112ngari, koinei te tikanga o taku k\u012B atu, kia rua ng\u0101 rautaki. M\u0101 reira, he w\u0101hi ki a t\u0101ua p\u0113nei i t\u0101 te Pita Paraone e k\u014Drero n\u0101. He w\u0101hi ki Te Karauna, \u0101, m\u0101 t\u0101tou t\u0113r\u0101 e k\u014Dkiri. N\u014D reira, koi nei t\u0113tahi karo ki t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EM\u0101 te kupu whakap\u0101ha e whakaora ai t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo? Kare kau, kare kau! \u0100e, me k\u014Drero m\u014D ng\u0101 mamaetanga kai te tika t\u0113r\u0101 \u0113ngari i rongo ake koutou katoa ki te Kelvin Davis, ki taku tuahine ki a Nanaia, ki a Adrian an\u014D hoki e mea ana: \u201CMe acknowledge.\u201D Koinei te k\u014Drero i k\u014Drerohia e t\u0113n\u0101, e t\u0113n\u0101: \u201CMe acknowledge.\u201D Ar\u0101, koinei te acknowledgement e k\u014Drerohia ake nei. An acknowledgement ki te k\u012B atu, \u0101e, i h\u0113 Te Karauna, \u0101e, kua oti i a ia i roto i ng\u0101 ker\u0113me Tiriti, te tuku i t\u0113tahi k\u014Drero ki t\u0113n\u0101 iwi, ki t\u0113n\u0101 iwi. \u0100e, ka \u016B Te K\u0101wanatanga ki te w\u0101hi ki a ia ki te whakap\u016Bmau i te \u0101huatanga o t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo i roto i ng\u0101 whakahaere, \u0101, haere ake nei. \u0112ngari t\u014Dna mutunga, ar\u0101 n\u014D te whakam\u0101tautau nei \u0101e r\u0101nei, ka eke ki te taumata e wawatatia ana, \u0113, k\u0101ore r\u0101nei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EI puta te k\u014Drero a te Jono Naylor, pai ki au tana k\u014Drero, he rawe ki tana k\u014Drero. Ki a au, i whakairi ake te hiahia o te ao P\u0101keh\u0101 ki Te Reo M\u0101ori. I k\u014Drero ia m\u014D tana mokopuna, hiahia n\u014Dna kia k\u014Drero tana mokopuna i Te Reo M\u0101ori. Koinei te take kua \u201CFacebook King\u201D t\u0113r\u0101 t\u0101ngata i roto i ng\u0101 whiriwhiringa i ng\u0101 wiki kua hipa ake, i ng\u0101 tau kua hipa ake. Ko te mea nui i rangona ki tana wairua e mea ana, \u201C\u0100, he hiahia n\u014Dku ki te ako i Te Reo M\u0101ori.\u201D, a, koinei t\u0101 t\u0101tou e kimi nei i te mata o te whenua. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EKa mutu, ka k\u012B mai te Kelvin Davis m\u014D te w\u0101hi ki te katoa o te motu. Ko t\u0101ku whakautu ki t\u0113r\u0101 e hoa m\u0101 kai roto i te pire i t\u0113nei w\u0101. Ar\u0101, mena ka titiro ki Part 1, clause 3(2): \u201CThe purpose of this Act is\u2014\u201D ar\u0101, kai roto i t\u0113r\u0101. Nama 3(2)(a)(iv): \u201Can official language of New Zealand;\u201D and 3(2)(a)(iii): \u201Ca language valued by the nation.\u201D\u2014a language valued by the nation! N\u0101 reira, ka taea e au te k\u012B, a, kua karo t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero kua puta i a Kelvin te tikanga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EE k\u014Drero nei a Pita Paraone m\u014D te \u0101huatanga o Te M\u0101t\u0101wai. A, e 6 m\u0101rama kai mua i te aroaro kia riro m\u0101 t\u0113n\u0101 iwi, m\u0101 t\u0113n\u0101 iwi t\u0101na tangata e whakarite. Kua k\u012B mai a ia, he \u0101hua uaua t\u0113r\u0101 momo wh\u0101inga, p\u0113nei i taku tuakana a Peeni e k\u014Drero nei, \u0101, ko ng\u0101 rohe o Tamaki-ki-Runga, ki hea r\u0101nei, \u0101, ko Te Tai Tokerau \u0113r\u0101 momo whiriwhiringa. Ko t\u0101ku noa ake ko te k\u012B atu, waiho m\u014D te 3 tau. Kia mutu r\u0101 an\u014D te 3 tau, ka \u0101ta tirohia an\u014Dtia kia kitea mai ai m\u0113n\u0101 i eke te kaupapa nei ki t\u014Dna taumata. Kai te rongo ake i te hiahia kia whai w\u0101hi ng\u0101 rohe. Ko t\u0101ku e Pita ki a koe kua tuwhera te k\u016Baha ki te hunga M\u0101ori e hiahia ana ki te noho ki runga i taua poari. Kaua ko te hunga e r\u0101rangihia ana, k\u0101o, ki te katoa. Ko te hunga e whai p\u0101nga ana ki Te Reo, ko ia t\u0113r\u0101, kua w\u0101tea ki a r\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EM\u014D ng\u0101 rauemi, taihoa ake nei whakarongo ki roto i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero m\u014D te tahua p\u016Btea. \u0100, t\u0113r\u0101 pea he rauemi an\u014D r\u0101 kai reira. \u0112ngari k\u0101ore au i te whakaae atu ki t\u0101u e k\u014Drero n\u0101 e, kai te tukua mai he moni ki a Pita, ki a H\u014Dri, k\u0101o! \u0112hara i te p\u0113r\u0101. Ko te moni o te hapori ka tukuna atu ki roto i ng\u0101 ringaringa o Te Iwi M\u0101ori i te mea, ko taua \u0101hua an\u014D r\u0101. \u0112ngari, he p\u016Btea an\u014D i whakatahangia ki te \u0101whina i Te M\u0101t\u0101wai, i t\u014Dna orokohanga, kia taea e ia te oma i te oma roa. N\u014D reira, koinei t\u0113tahi k\u014Drero ki a koe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EKa mutu, ehara i te mea he nui ng\u0101 k\u014Drero me te m\u014Dhio an\u014D taihoa ake nei ka tangi te pere. \u0112ngari ar\u0101 an\u014D te t\u0101ke m\u014D te t\u0101one M\u0101ori, \u0113hara kai te rongo ake ki t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero \u0113ngari, p\u0113nei t\u0101ku e k\u012B nei, taihoa ake nei whakam\u0101tauturia t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero. M\u014D te Taraipiunara, e kore au e k\u014Drero m\u014D t\u0113r\u0101 hunga m\u014D te kore niho, \u0101, t\u0113r\u0101 pea. \u0112ngari e hoa n\u0101 Te R\u014Dp\u016B Reipa t\u0113r\u0101 hunga i whakat\u016B n\u014D reira, t\u0113r\u0101, t\u0113r\u0101. M\u0101 koutou \u0113r\u0101 niho e whakakoikoi! \u0112ngari, t\u0113r\u0101, t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou m\u014D te \u0101huatanga \u014D w\u0101 t\u0101tou k\u014Drero, kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E[Greetings to all gathered here in the House, and also for the acknowledgments to our recent dearly departed. We collectively mourn all those referred to in the many speeches. For me, I wish to also acknowledge the Tauranga Moana region, including Mauao, and my senior relation Matiu, who held a leadership position in the law school at the University of Waikato, and was also a close personal friend. When I finished school at St Stephens we flatted together. Therefore, I pause for a moment in silence to acknowledge the tributes, and now I make my own personal acknowledgment to my friend, elder colleague, and his family. In due course, my friend, I will be there with you. This matter about the M\u0101ori language was an important issue to you throughout your life. This makes your loss so much more poignant; may you rest in peace, and in due course I will be there with you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EI come back now to us, the world of the living; greetings to us all. Acknowledgments to us for the way our debate is going; a debate is in action, contributions are being made, views by this one and that one are diverse. That is wonderful and that is what a debate is all about. To break up the way I will fend off some of the comments made, I need to state from the outset that this is not the end point but really the beginning instead. The bill on its own will not revitalise our M\u0101ori language\u2014no, not at all. I like that contribution by Pita Paraone when he stated: \u201CIf the heart does not wish to speak M\u0101ori, the person will not speak M\u0101ori. If one does not want to speak Samoan, the person will not speak Samoan.\u201D Therefore, it is only through personal desire that our language can ascend to its rightful elevated status, regardless of this bill, which is only a piece of paper\u2014unlike the human heart, which, if it does not aspire, there is no point in pursuing an end goal. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EI sympathise with the contention by some who said: \u201CI cannot speak M\u0101ori in this House.\u201D Goodness me! All our contributions yesterday were totally in M\u0101ori, so why not today? Leave that statement there. Are we all proficient? No, not at all. I was one who learnt the language\u2014we all did. Therefore, we must never be afraid to speak in our language. This, indeed, is the essence of this contribution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EColleagues, this proposal has existed for a year. When I became Minister for M\u0101ori Development I said: \u201CHold on, release it.\u201D Firstly, all submissions to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee were gathered together, the information assembled, put together, and contents examined. How is it possible to examine information of that nature? I assembled a group to critically analyse and delve into the full extent of that information. That is that discourse. Secondly, do not just examine those submissions but consult the country widely, and so they did exactly that\u2014not just once but twice, to test the information that came back within the bill. All of that information was then put together and eventually presented to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EI am actually hearing some new views that we should do this and we should do that. Gracious me! This matter was in your hands. I did not hear anyone saying we should do this or that. But what came out of all that was the manifestation of this bill. I continue to heed the form that the apology referred to by my sister colleague Nanaia will take. But you were questioned on that. You put this before the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and, according to what I heard yesterday, not everyone agreed to it. So how can we progress that? I hear the talk, I hear the spirit, I hear the gist of that desire. It cannot be ignored. That desire cannot be avoided, but its implementation is where the problem is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EI hear what Kevin Davis is saying in regard to the desire within the country to talk M\u0101ori to well up; furthermore, that a census of those speaking M\u0101ori be conducted properly to ascertain whether it is strong or weak. That is an onerous task; like what I said yesterday, it is difficult, as the census alluded to here occurs every 4 years\u2014that is how long it takes, so how will it be overcome? It is difficult. However, this is what I have been going on about: the two strategies. Through that we will have a part, as Pita Paraone has stated. The Crown will have a part, and we will advance that. So this is a way of putting that issue to one side. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EWill an apology revitalise our language? Not in the slightest. Let us indeed talk about the hurts\u2014yes, let us do that\u2014but you all heard Kelvin Davis, my sister colleague Nanaia, and Adrian as well, saying: \u201CLet us acknowledge it.\u201D Each one of them said: \u201CLet us acknowledge it.\u201D There, that is the acknowledgment alluded to here. To give an acknowledgment, yes, the Crown erred; yes, it has fulfilled it through the Treaty claims by making a statement to that tribe and that one. Yes, the Government has complied on its part to ratify the situation relating to our language in terms of governance in times to come\u2014however, at the end of it all, from this examination, or whether it reached the level it wanted, or did not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EJono Naylor made a statement that I liked and that appealed to me. In my view he highlighted the desire of non-M\u0101ori for the M\u0101ori language. He spoke about his grandchild, because he wanted him to speak the M\u0101ori language. This is the reason that person has become the \u201CFacebook King\u201D in the considerations over the past weeks and years. The crucial thing is that he heard his spirit saying \u201CI want to learn the M\u0101ori language.\u201D, and this is what we are looking for throughout the country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EFurthermore, Kelvin Davis stated his views on behalf of the whole country. Colleagues, my response to that is: it is in the bill right now. There you are\u2014if you look at Part 1, clause 3(2): \u201CThe purpose of this Act is\u2014\u201D, there it is in that one. In clause 3(2)(a)(iv) it states \u201Can official language of New Zealand;\u201D, and in clause 3(2)(a)(iii): \u201Ca language valued by the nation.\u201D\u2014a language valued by the nation! Therefore I can now say that the issue and supposition put out by Kelvin has been bypassed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EPita Paraone referred to the situation about Te M\u0101t\u0101wai, and that there are 6 months ahead for each tribe to consider its representative. He has stated that that kind of objective is somewhat problematic, and, as my senior relation Peeni is stating here, for regions of Auckland upwards, or anywhere north, those kinds of negotiations are Northland ones. I would simply say, leave it for 3 years, then examine it carefully to see if this matter has reached its peak. I am hearing that regions want representation. My statement to you, Pita, is that the door is open to those M\u0101ori wanting to sit on that board\u2014not just those that are listed; no, everyone! Those who have an interest in the M\u0101ori language, there are those ones; it is available to them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EIn regard to resources, you will be able to listen to the details in the contributions on the Budget later on. But I do not agree with what you are saying there\u2014that money is being allocated to Peter, George. No, quite the contrary. It is not like that at all. Moneys earmarked for the community will be delivered instead into the hands of M\u0101oridom, because those are the expectations of iwi and hap\u016B. But another fund has been set aside to help Te M\u0101t\u0101wai to set itself up so it can run the long race. So this indeed is one narrative fashioned for you in particular. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EFurthermore, it is not because I have run out of something else to run past you, but rather because I know the bell is about to ring. But there is the issue relating to urban M\u0101ori that I should comment on. I am hearing references to that issue, and my response is similar to what I alluded to earlier on. The urban M\u0101ori issue will be examined\u2014all in good time. In regard to the Waitangi Tribunal, I will not comment on that lot\u2014maybe in some other forum, perhaps. Suffice to say it was the Labour Party that established that outfit. That is that matter addressed. You lot can put an edge to those teeth! There, that is that covered off. In terms of the way our contributions have gone, I therefore acknowledge and thank us.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00229fe24fa1bf2b45ffbdd9df33e550d5fb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229fe24fa1bf2b45ffbdd9df33e550d5fb\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry. Before the member gets under way, I just want to do a little bit of a warning that there are a number of members going for the call, and it is 10 past 5, so my practice from now will be to give people just one call to start with. If we have got spare time at the end, I could come back to members. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u0022c28d06a09a4641a9b07efcfcf0a07e2d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c28d06a09a4641a9b07efcfcf0a07e2d\u0022\u003EMEKA WHAITIRI (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Heamana, e ng\u0101 mema o Te Whare P\u0101remata o Aotearoa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou. He mihi tuatahi ki ng\u0101 mate o te w\u0101 kua hinga, e te t\u014Dtara o Hiruh\u0101rama, e te rangatira e Whai, haere, haere, haere atu r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Chairman, and greetings to you, all members of the Parliament of New Zealand, and to us all. First, a tribute to the deaths of the moment, and to you, the t\u014Dtara tree of Hiruh\u0101rama, esteemed one Whai, depart, farewell, journey on.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI am pleased to take a call on this bill, and I will try to stay within the time limits to give the other people a chance. Can I first acknowledge the Minister for M\u0101ori Development and his predecessor, Dr Pita Sharples, who initially introduced this bill. In terms of the part in the bill that talks about reaffirming the status of Te Reo M\u0101ori, which is clause 3(2) in Part 1, I just want to say that the Minister outlined that that is the purpose of the bill, and, of course, on this side of the Chamber, who can refute that? But having said that, after listening to the speakers and the contributions today I am going to go straight to the heart, or the ng\u0101kau, of the bill for me, and that is around clauses 7A and 7B in Part 1, where we talk about the M\u0101ori language strategies. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EReally, the bill is about updating the M\u0101ori language, which is always important, but at the end of the day it is just a tool to introduce Te M\u0101t\u0101wai and the language strategies. So when I read clauses 7A and 7B, it talks about the Maihi Karauna and Maihi M\u0101ori strategies. We are setting up Te M\u0101t\u0101wai to help the Minister for M\u0101ori Development develop strategies. Maybe Minister Flavell can answer this. He has got a large ministry behind him, and I cannot figure out for the life of me\u2014and he may have a good answer\u2014why we did not simply task his ministry, all the groups that you have got listed in schedule 3A, and, obviously, some of the iwi to actually work on a strategy that we could then be tossing over. But instead, we are appointing a body to go away and work on a strategy. I know I need to be patient in this House, but it is about our language, and I want to make sure that it is available to all New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThat is my point around my comment about the lost opportunity. We are setting up people who have been very instrumental in our Reo to write up a strategy. For many of us, there would not be a Government department around this town that has not got screeds and screeds of Te Reo M\u0101ori strategies. So my point is that here is an opportunity to fast-forward our Reo in terms of what hap\u016B, iwi, and those deliverers of our Reo have been doing on their own to help make sure that this particular bill and commitment to our language is actually futureproof and fit for purpose. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo I just make the comment that we will wait for the strategy to come out. Many of us have worked in the Public Service for many, many years and we have seen strategies come and go. I guess I am just keen to see what makes this particular commitment to writing another set of strategies any more special in terms of delivering the desired outcome. I want to add the point that we also acknowledge that there are no new resources. I am not too sure how that is going to pan out. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI go to my next point, going from the strategy and moving into Te M\u0101t\u0101wai. The Minister is well aware that we have got so many different constructs of iwi M\u0101ori. I also want to support the New Zealand First member Pita Paraone\u2019s comments about hap\u016B. We have M\u0101ori entities set up under the Maori Fisheries Act. We have M\u0101ori entities set up under the r\u016Bnanga legislation. We have M\u0101ori organisations that are post-settlement governance entities. We have M\u0101ori organisations that are forced to come together under large natural groupings. When I look at this particular bill I am looking at schedule 3, where have got the list of iwi under the seven areas, and I see you have a mixture of iwi and large natural groupings. I actually looked at mine, Te Tai R\u0101whiti, and you have one missing there\u2014Ng\u0101ti Rongomaiwahine, which was actually acknowledged under the Maori Fisheries Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022 data-id=\u00224e6ee705dbfa4d5f9652dba3fcd4f524\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224e6ee705dbfa4d5f9652dba3fcd4f524\u0022\u003ENUK KORAKO (National):):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, e Te Kaiwhakahaere, e mihi atu ki a koutou ng\u0101 mema huri noa i Te Whare nei. T\u0113n\u0101 k\u014Drua ng\u0101 Minita o Te K\u0101wanataka, tuatahi, tuarua. N\u014D reira, e koutou r\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, mihi atu ki a koutou katoa. T\u0113nei te mihi ki ng\u0101 rakatira o Te Komiti Whiriwhiri Take M\u0101ori, n\u014D reira e mihi atu.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Chairman, and acknowledgments to all you members throughout this Committee. Greetings to you two Government Ministers, one and two. And so salutations, acknowledgments to you collectively, I commend you all. I salute the esteemed members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and thank them.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, as the chair, and I particularly want to acknowledge the work that has gone on not just with our committee but also with the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee of the 50th Parliament. I want to just acknowledge all that work that has gone on, particularly that instigated by T\u0101 Pita Sharples in the 50th Parliament and then transitioned across to the 51st Parliament, when it was picked up by our present Minister for M\u0101ori Development. But it is also about the work of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and that work is based on the fact that when we first started with the committee last year, in the 51st Parliament, we acknowledged and said to each other: \u201CLet\u2019s park our political affiliations at the door and let\u2019s get on to what\u2019s best for our people.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI want to pick up on one point that the Hon Nanaia Mahuta made, about the fact that\u2014and I acknowledge those members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, the Hon Nanaia Mahuta and Marama Davidson, for putting forward those Supplementary Order Papers\u2014it was not about division. This was about something that we all agreed on. As we said, we want to work for our people. We are all comfortable in each other\u2019s space, and the fact is that if you have the ability on that whakaaro, you can put forward Supplementary Order Papers, and then it is here actually that we can k\u014Drero\u2014we can discuss them and debate them. But it was never, ever the intention that it be divisive. I make that clear, particularly as some of the feedback coming from outside was that this bill was going to be divisive. That is the first thing that I want to make quite clear, because this committee has worked very hard across parties to actually try to address a situation by which our language is on a life-support system, and we, really, are the kaitiaki. We need to put in place what we are trying to do now, to try to put life back into Te Reo M\u0101ori. This is what this bill is about, and the situation here, particularly with those Supplementary Order Papers, is really important. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI think too that it is really important to acknowledge the Minister and Supplementary Order Paper 164, which he put forward. If that Supplementary Order Paper is able to go through, it will bring in clause 5A, and that clause is, in some ways, like the Treaty settlement bills. It is an acknowledgment clause, and when we look at this, I want to pick up on what matua Pita Paraone said, particularly about Sir Apirana Ngata. The fact is that there are members here who come from marae, from areas, where corporal punishment was used to actually forbid them and stop them from speaking Te Reo M\u0101ori. There are others who actually, in some ways, possibly came under the influence of Sir Apirana Ngata. But down in Te Wai Pounamu it was not about that; it was actually that you needed to learn English because that was going to be the way of the world. It was going to be a tool that would see our children\u2014us\u2014and the children before us have a legacy in an ever-changing world. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u002215b0332539384df3b4a8515807b302fd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002215b0332539384df3b4a8515807b302fd\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Chair, and ten\u0101 koe, e Te Heamana. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, ng\u0101 rangatira o Te Komiti. He h\u014Dnore nui t\u0113nei e taki t\u016B ana ki te tautoko i t\u0113nei pire. T\u0113n\u0101 koe, e Te Minita.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[Greetings, esteemed members of the Committee. This is a great honour as I rise to endorse this bill. Well done, Minister.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI am pleased to take my first call, and I certainly hope that we do not bring closure to this very important Committee stage when it is such a very important bill and there is so much more that I am sure I and my colleagues around the Chamber would like to share. In particular, I acknowledge my whanaunga Tutehounuku Korako for his story. If I may continue on that k\u014Drero, it was a very different situation down in the south in terms of the history of Te Reo M\u0101ori. It was very, very sparsely spoken by virtue of just the way that the south was settled and the fact that we were intermarried with settlers quite a long time pre-Treaty. So it is very important that we acknowledge all the different histories, and I thank all the members for sharing their particular stories around their different wh\u0101nau. I would love to go on and tell some more stories from my own particular point of view or my own wh\u0101nau, but time does not permit. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI do stand to endorse and support this bill. However, I want to cut to the chase. In terms of speaking in support of Supplementary Order Paper 164, yes, the Minister has put through an acknowledgment. Granted that this bill was introduced way back in July 2014 and we have had numerous reviews in other committees that have shaped the bill to what it is now, and now at this eleventh hour we have got a Supplementary Order Paper that has come in and it puts a belated Crown acknowledgment of the poor treatment towards Te Reo M\u0101ori. I do regret that because this was canvassed at the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee\u2014or at the times when I sat in on the committee. This has been a longstanding issue. Certainly, in anything to do with any M\u0101ori Treaty issue there is the importance of acknowledging the past but also receiving an apology. I feel we have gone only halfway. We have gone only halfway when, really, if we are ushering in a new era for Te Reo M\u0101ori\u2014this is a new way forward, as the Minister says\u2014then this is an opportunity for us to get things straight right now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EWe have got Supplementary Order Paper 165 on the Table here from Nanaia Mahuta. Why not have that apology? I know that the Minister for M\u0101ori Development and Minister Finlayson have said: \u201COh, no. It is only just for specific iwi. We will save the apologies for them.\u201D Well, no, because this bill is for all M\u0101ori, and throughout the bill it specifically refers to iwi and M\u0101ori. It is all-inclusive. That is not to demean the specific historical Treaty settlements of particular iwi or hap\u016B, but this is for all M\u0101ori. I do hope that we might be able, as a Committee, to endorse and add the apology so we can make the bill complete and so that we can all move forward under this new bill to a new era of support and revitalisation for our Reo M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ECan I also just make one reference to the fact that this bill incorporates two strategies: a Crown strategy and a Te M\u0101t\u0101wai - driven strategy. We can have all of the most elaborately appointed groups from all the different sectors of M\u0101ori society and they can all come together and have a big hui and a big talkfest every so often. We can pour money into that particular entity, and we can talk until the cows come home about different strategies. But what I am really concerned about is how we operationalise these strategies and what difference these strategies will actually make, what actions will flow from these strategies, and what measurable outcomes we expect from these strategies, so that we can actually see a tangible difference on the ground, amongst the wh\u0101nau and amongst the hap\u016B who are on the marae puta noa, right throughout the country, so that we can see the impact that this piece of legislation does have. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo, yes, legislation, as the Minister said, is just a piece of paper, but there is legislative clout here that we are getting in creating these bodies. But I am very much interested in the impact that this bill will have. A lot of that comes down to the resourcing that the Minister can get to support our Reo and to support these structures and to support the programmes and the implementation and the operationalisation\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u0022ff889293ec134dea88da2bb605e445f8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ff889293ec134dea88da2bb605e445f8\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I had not intended to take a call on this bill, but I have great respect for the Hon Nanaia Mahuta, and so I carefully looked at her Supplementary Order Paper 165 and her proposed new clauses 3A and 3B\u2014the apology. I have considered very carefully the Minister for M\u0101ori Development\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper 164 and his proposal of new clause 5A, \u201CAcknowledgement of the Crown\u201D. I simply say that, on balance, I think the better approach to be adopted by this Committee and by the House is to support the Minister\u2019s acknowledgment, which ties in the acknowledgments that have been made, both in the Waitangi Tribunal and in numerous deeds of settlement, of the abject failure by the Crown to respect and work in partnership with M\u0101ori to protect this wonderful taonga of Te Reo. Over the 7\u00BD years that I have been the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, this has been a very important issue, which iwi negotiators have asked, time and time again, to be referred to in the historical acknowledgments, in deeds of settlement, and also in the apologies. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EOne that I particularly refer to involves Ng\u0101ti Kur\u012B, and I remember that wonderful lady Sana Murray telling me about what happened to her when she was at primary school\u2014she was actually hit for speaking Te Reo. In the Ng\u0101ti Kur\u012B historical account, the negotiators and the historians at the Office of Treaty Settlements spent some time talking about how exactly these issues could be expressed. So, for example, in the historical account, there is reference to senior Crown officials who pressed teachers to discourage any use of Te Reo during school hours. It says that in the early 1950s teachers at Ng\u0101taki School complained of \u201Ctoo much M\u0101ori spoken in homes\u201D. The teachers also spoke to parents about the rule of having no M\u0101ori spoken on school grounds. It seems incredible that these sorts of things happened as late as the 1950s, but they did, and they were very hurtful. That is why it was appropriate\u2014indeed, mandatory\u2014to put in the Ng\u0101ti Kur\u012B historical account, and in the Crown acknowledgment, just exactly what happened, for the benefit of the memory of people like Sana Murray and other great New Zealanders who suffered dreadful indignities, as I say, as late as the early 1950s. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI could go through the various other particular acknowledgments that have been made in settlements from Ng\u0101ti Koroki Kahukura\u2014particularly in the north, I say to Mr Davis\u2014Te Aup\u014Duri, Te Rarawa. There are so many that have been recorded in historical accounts. That is why I do not want to see those apologies and those historical accounts diminished in any way, and that is why tying in\u2014as the Minister has done in clause 5A on Supplementary Order Paper 164\u2014the acknowledgments that have been recorded in evidence given to the tribunal and the acknowledgments in deeds of settlement entered into with iwi that focus on the particular is, I think, preferable to a generic apology. The truly respectful way of dealing with this important issue\u2014and everyone acknowledges it is important\u2014is to refer to the particular in the deeds of settlement, which are obviously legislated in this House, and refer to the acknowledgment. For that reason, notwithstanding, as I say, my great respect for the Hon Nanaia Mahuta, I prefer the Minister\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022 data-id=\u0022bad8c74884264729bf6c8681484391c0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bad8c74884264729bf6c8681484391c0\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Chair. He mihi nui ki Te Whare P\u0101remata nei, he mihi nui ki Te Reo Rangatira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E[A huge acknowledgment to this Parliament, to the chiefly language, and to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI just feel very privileged to stand up and speak. I feel it is important for P\u0101keh\u0101 to do so, because tangata Tiriti have been responsible\u2014our culture was responsible\u2014for the attack on the language, and our culture needs to be responsible not only for apologising but also for actually owning the benefit to the whole of Aotearoa if the ideas that are encapsulated in this bill can be brought to life for the benefit of all. It is for tangata whenua, first\u2014Te Reo M\u0101ori for all tangata whenua\u2014but also for all of Aotearoa. I think that is the hope for my mokopuna, for my generation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003ESo I would just like to support the bill, support the Minister\u2019s work, and support the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee\u2019s work, and support the fact that this bill has been strongly worked upon and strongly improved and we are now able to support it. This does not mean that it solves the problem. It took all those years, all those generations of attack on Te Reo, to bring Te Reo to the state that it is in. It has been an incredibly humbling thing to watch Te Reo being rebuilt in my lifetime, and I just feel that there are so many people outside this Whare whom we can honour, notably through k\u014Dhanga reo but also from the amazingly dedicated flax-roots hap\u016B who treasure the language every day, to the w\u0101hine toa who pass it on through k\u014Dhanga to the kids, and to all the scholars and everybody else who makes Te Reo M\u0101ori live. We need to be so grateful to them and appreciative of them. We need this bill, we need these strategies, we need more resources, and we need a Crown commitment so that Te Reo M\u0101ori, the first language of Aotearoa, can be truly celebrated in Aotearoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI just want to support a couple of Supplementary Order Papers. I am supporting my colleague Marama Davidson\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper 167, which suggests making an amendment to clause 33(1) so that \u201Cthe Minister [is] to establish an independent panel to review the operation and effectiveness of the Bill, after the expiry of 3 years from its commencement.\u201D I think the key word there is the idea of having an \u201Cindependent\u201D panel. That is an important part of making sure that there is accountability for the use of the precious resource and how it is going to work, to make sure that there can be confidence. There has been a lot of k\u014Drero in the community about this bill and about whether these strategies are going to work, so it would be excellent to have this independent review to make sure that it can actually happen, and can continue to happen. There is huge expectation and hope out there, and we need to make that real. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the k\u014Drero of the Minister in the chair, Te Ururoa Flavell, and Minister Finlayson about the issue of the apology, but also to say that we do support Supplementary Order Paper 165 from Nanaia Mahuta. Obviously, a lot of people have put a lot of thought into this, and the acknowledgment is a real acknowledgment\u2014it is a genuine acknowledgment in the bill\u2014but I also appreciate the Hon Nanaia Mahuta\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper. Although this issue is obviously different and specific to hap\u016B and iwi throughout the motu, and this is well handled in the settlements, the Crown did not distinguish between hap\u016B\u2014the Crown did not attack Te Reo M\u0101ori differently throughout Aotearoa. The Crown attacked Te Reo. It thoroughly, systematically attacked the language wherever the language was being spoken. Wherever the language tried to live, the Crown attacked the language, and that is why, in a sense, a national apology could be useful. It is quite important for my culture to remember that this was not just a couple of not-very-nice teachers saying a couple of bad things; this was a systematic, Government-driven attack on Te Reo M\u0101ori. An attack on the language of a people is an attack on those people, and that is what it was\u2014it was part of the war machine against tangata whenua. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI think of my friend in Tai R\u0101whiti, who is the same age as me, who was raised by her grandmother. She was 5 years old when she went to school, and on her first day at school she was beaten for speaking her Reo. So she went home and told her grandmother, and her grandmother said to her: \u201CFrom now on in this whare, we will not speak the Reo. I cannot see you beaten.\u201D That was the beginning of the language loss, just in that one wh\u0101nau. That story really hit home for me because I am of Irish descent, and the Irish went through a struggle where they had to run their language schools behind hedges. They had hedge schools to try to keep their language alive. Like M\u0101ori, we have suffered the consequences of speaking our Reo.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022 data-id=\u0022f1767c716c98460ea933832f7ec3e4ed\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f1767c716c98460ea933832f7ec3e4ed\u0022\u003ESu\u2019a WILLIAM SIO (Labour\u2014M\u0101ngere):\u003C/span\u003E Talofa. I apologise in advance for launching my canoe into the middle of this debate. I feel the sails of my canoe have been opened up because of the passion and the spirit, and, I think, the genuine desire by all members of the Committee to contribute to this debate. I stand to give a perspective on this debate from my Samoan eyes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EI support wholeheartedly the effort that has gone into this bill. I support all and any effort to protect Te Reo M\u0101ori. I do so from that perspective because we have a connection to M\u0101ori and, as Pacific peoples, we also value ensuring that our languages are protected and passed on to the next generation. It is their heritage. We call it a masima\u2014something that is sacred, something that is a gift from God. This is language. But also the connection for Samoa is the names that were mentioned earlier by other speakers: Apirana Ngata and M\u0101ui Pomare. It was those elders who came to the aid of some of our ancestors who were imprisoned in Mt Eden Prison in the days when New Zealand administered Samoa. For those reasons I am moved to say and convey a contribution to this debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EI have listened to Minister Finlayson convey his remarks on the proposal put forward by my colleague the Hon Nanaia Mahuta about the need for an apology. I accept that there is probably a lot of work that has gone into it, but I am going to say an apology is so important before we can move on in unison. I will tell you why. When New Zealand administered Samoa there was a time when the New Zealand administration sent teachers to Samoa, and they taught \u201CPokare Kare Ana\u201D, in the M\u0101ori language, to Samoan students. We feel quite strongly, also, that they were in the wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d60346d3157b4eea8ec578411788548e\u0022\u003EHon Te Ururoa Flavell\u003C/span\u003E: It was a good song.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022974e7a6767914fa2b26173df89dd655b\u0022\u003ESu\u2019a WILLIAM SIO\u003C/span\u003E: It was a good song, but it was so out of place. There was an understanding that it was as if we did not have our language. I am aware\u2014and we do not need to go into the detail at this point in time\u2014of the injustices that took place when you had the powers of that time trying to control things around this region. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003ESo an apology is important. Whenever there has been an argument\u2014and I suggest to this House if you have had an argument with your partner, wife, or whoever\u2014you cannot move forward until you say those words \u201CI\u2019m sorry.\u201D, and it is those words that have a healing effect if we are going to get things right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EI want to give a warning to the Minister Te Ururoa Flavell. You know, our time in this House is fleeting, Minister, with all due respect. You are now in the seat of the Minister who has all the powers of the National Government to be able to make things happen. When you are no longer in that seat, you will have missed the opportunity. The reason why I am so proud of the fact that we are debating the need to protect and ensure that the M\u0101ori language is sustained throughout all centuries in the future is that when we travel as representatives of Aotearoa New Zealand\u2014and the nation of Samoa knows this\u2014the first words I try to speak are Te Reo M\u0101ori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EThere is no country other than New Zealand where Te Reo M\u0101ori is lost. We all speak English. It is difficult to undertake the k\u0101ranga in English\u2014it feels like: \u201CWelcome, welcome.\u201D There just is not the spirit and heart in: \u201CCome on in, come on in.\u201D You can only say \u201CCome on in.\u201D at a certain time. There is no spirit; there is no heart in it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EAnd so I am appealing to Minister Te Ururoa Flavell. I think, irrespective of our political alignments, this is the particular issue that unifies New Zealand. I agree with some of my colleagues. M\u0101ori are the caretakers or the guardians of the language, but I think if we are all guardians of the language we need to make sure, in order for it to be protected, that it is given out to everybody else.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022 data-id=\u0022fa80e170ef9c4073bce600e352f783f1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fa80e170ef9c4073bce600e352f783f1\u0022\u003EPITA PARAONE (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Chair. Listening to some of the recent speakers, a lot of emphasis has been put on the apology. One gets the impression that unless that apology is forthcoming, then the notion of revitalising Te Reo M\u0101ori is not going to happen. I do not support that notion because, at the end of the day, if those of us in this House do not know how to speak M\u0101ori although we are of M\u0101ori descent, then can I give you one word that is the reason for that. It starts with \u201Cl\u201D\u2014\u201Cl\u201D for lazy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002206d3bc00925f418f9e946201d44a3c16\u0022\u003EJono Naylor\u003C/span\u003E: Oh!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee9ed3ff5940401385486bd17d8dfc8b\u0022\u003EPITA PARAONE\u003C/span\u003E: Of course it is. If you do not take the time to go home, back to your marae\u2014you know, the thing is, we are relying on legislation to revitalise our Reo. At the end of the day we need to point our finger like this and blame ourselves. Again, that reaffirms my position for our party: we do not believe that this bill, although it is well intended, is going to be the panacea for seeing an increase in the number of M\u0101ori speakers. I can recall my own dad, although he was a fluent speaker, did not speak to me in M\u0101ori until 10 years before he died, and he died at the age of 92.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ede3e7a50344ec1986882d91afa83c4\u0022\u003EMarama Fox\u003C/span\u003E: Was he lazy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abb4885f80b64426b4f3069399428e45\u0022\u003EPITA PARAONE\u003C/span\u003E: No, he was not. But he was of a generation that wanted its children to learn P\u0101keh\u0101. A lot of his generation were of that ilk, and now we are saying that they were wrong? I do not believe so, and that is why I am not overly concerned about whether or not there is an apology included in this piece of legislation. If we are going to talk about the apology, then we should refer to the finding of the Waitangi Tribunal in terms of Te Reo M\u0101ori, and place the apology, rightly, in those settlements, notwithstanding the legal knowledge of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations. In my view, that is where it should lie.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EThe other point I want to make is in regard to the group Te Reo Tukutuku, which will be contributing to the make-up of Te M\u0101t\u0101wai. I am somewhat surprised that a group called Ng\u0101 Kaiwhakap\u016Bmau i te Reo, one of the strongest groups that promote the use of Te Reo M\u0101ori, is wanting to opt out of that group. I just wonder whether the Minister could take a call on that\u2014as to why it has chosen to do that. Otherwise, again, I refer to the difficulties that we are going to have in terms of identifying the members of Te M\u0101t\u0101wai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EThe Minister did make a reference to my comment about taking from Peter to pay Paul. Again, New Zealand First would have liked to see Te Taura Whiri i te Reo M\u0101ori strengthened and given more resources to do what it was originally set up to do. Unfortunately, with the resources made available to it at this point in time, it is not able to do a lot of the things that I am sure it would like to do in terms of promoting and advising on the use of Te Reo M\u0101ori. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u0022cb602036d601459f8b5570dd34ee8e97\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cb602036d601459f8b5570dd34ee8e97\u0022\u003EMARAMA DAVIDSON (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Chair. I would like to strongly disagree with my fellow Tai Tokerau whanaunga MP Pita Paraone, and will state very clearly on behalf of the Green Party that it is not at all laziness as to why any one of us M\u0101ori, particularly, are struggling to reclaim our t\u016Bpuna language. But I will not spend too much time on that, because this is something that we all, actually, definitely understand. With due respect, Pita Paraone, it is always, and it has always been, colonisation and policies that were structured nationwide to destroy the language out of us. I have always said that Te Reo lives and dies in the home\u2014and I will say again that in the example of my grandmother, after she was beaten, it most certainly died in our home\u2014which leads to the point that it will also be revived in our homes, as well as in many other places.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EThe Greens never want to forget the importance of any legislation, any policies, and any programmes in ensuring that they impact directly on the mokopuna being born into our homes. That is where the language was attacked; that is where the language will survive. On that point I sort of agree with my Tai Tokerau whanaunga Pita Paraone in that neither the apology nor this piece of legislation was ever supposed to cure, on its own, the centuries and the generations of colonisation practices that destroyed our language in the first place. I want to again acknowledge all of us who are struggling\u2014with love\u2014to revive and to claim our language back, and all of the incredible generations of blood, sweat, and tears from those who have gone before us to fight for the fact that we have got it at all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EBut I do want to turn to my Supplementary Order Paper 167 for a couple of minutes. It calls for an independent review panel, as opposed to what is, essentially, an in-house review of the fruits and the downfalls and the shortfalls of the legislation after 3 years. I want to thank, directly, the office of the Minister for M\u0101ori Development for opening up to engagement and k\u014Drero. I believe that the Minister genuinely wants a good, robust review of what is currently in place in this law, but the Greens stand by a call for an independent review. We believe that there is indeed enough of a pool of expertise to have an independent panel that is not from Te M\u0101t\u0101wai, that is not from the Crown. Our t\u016Bpuna before us worked hard enough that we do indeed today have at least enough expertise around the country to form what would, essentially, be an independent panel. There do not need to be any barriers when we assess how this bill has really been going. It needs to be transparent and it needs to be frank, open, and honest. That is why we have put our amendment forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI also understand that the current review does not stipulate particular terms of reference. The Greens would like to note that we would like to specifically review whether the issues of hap\u016B and small iwi have been addressed by Te M\u0101t\u0101wai in this legislation. Is the selection process fair? Other members have highlighted those concerns about whether, again, everybody is being represented. Is there sufficient resource and is it fairly distributed from Te M\u0101t\u0101wai? Those are some of the specific issues that we would like to see reviewed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EAgain, I want to say that I am thankful to the Minister\u2019s office for the engagement over these amendments to the bill. The Greens would like it to go on record\u2014because this is important\u2014that this is not the be-all and the full sum of what needs to happen on our Reo journey, but it is legislation from the leadership of this House and it is important. For that reason we would like to see that the review be independent. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022 data-id=\u0022d313f6c3143a499aa6d7cea4e2c74d1c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d313f6c3143a499aa6d7cea4e2c74d1c\u0022\u003EJAMI-LEE ROSS (Junior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00229d44254c297f4f8a82c3f53abbfc970a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229d44254c297f4f8a82c3f53abbfc970a\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: We have been going now for, I think, about 3\u00BD hours on the combined debate. I have not added up everything that happened in the previous hour and a half, but over the last 2 hours and a bit we have had well over 20 Opposition calls and a significant number of Government calls. I think the Committee is now in a position to come to a view.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e69ee8ac3a54406aa3db3c7ddaf6f733\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 63\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; M\u0101ori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 57\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 13; New Zealand First 12.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000465\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 164 in the name of the Hon Te Ururoa Flavell to Part 1 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00227e2bc204ddfb4c16bd5d9adee88f31f1\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 108\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 13; M\u0101ori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 12\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First 12.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00222273c92edbf7495cab9f2704342cf19c\u0022\u003ENew clauses 3A and 3B\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002289696b0a6cfb47acb6df9fb3a6ae8cb5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002289696b0a6cfb47acb6df9fb3a6ae8cb5\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: We come now to the Hon Nanaia Mahuta\u2019s amendments to Part 1, set out on Supplementary Order Paper 165. Those in favour of that amendment say Aye, to the contrary, No. The Noes have it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u0022e542622c443f44678b122358433ff972\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e542622c443f44678b122358433ff972\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour\u2014Hauraki-Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. You yourself have pointed out that there has been widespread debate, particularly on this matter, and varying views within parties across the Committee, so I call for a personal vote.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b67a0151822646cba1cf43cf03cb1897\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, can I just first rule that the Noes have it. So now if the member states her point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9baf050e541425ab1adb9b8276f9b2e\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA\u003C/span\u003E: My point of order is that, as I have said previously, a widespread debate has taken place, in particular on this amendment, and there have been differing views within political parties. I think that it would be reasonable to call for a personal vote on Supplementary Order Paper 165.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002201e4f8f634eb4b0e9ef5e773ee596a00\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002201e4f8f634eb4b0e9ef5e773ee596a00\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Can I make the point, first of all, that normally when a personal vote is to be taken\u2014this is not exactly a conscience vote\u2014notice is given so that parties can be prepared for it. It is not a requirement of the Standing Orders, but it is normal practice, and one that I would encourage. I think it is Standing Order 144 that says a personal vote is taken where there is\u2014I have not got the wording in my head\u2014a material difference and it might change the result. I have been listening to the debate and to what people have been saying, and it is my view that the margin is not such that one or two members within particular parties voting a different way would, in fact, make the difference. We will take a party vote, and I might reconsider my position if that is the case. I will make it clear that if members do have different views, they are able to split the party vote and handle it that way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 165 in the name of the Hon Nanaia Mahuta to insert a new heading and new clauses 3A and 3B be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00229bcb670f12ef4ad29b4b3a3ab60f4874\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 45\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 13.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 75\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 12; M\u0101ori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002247fba98c7a1a4815b09e90c4bc7f6b7b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002247fba98c7a1a4815b09e90c4bc7f6b7b\u0022\u003EThe CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just intersperse a warning to whips, and that is the fact that there is every chance that we will go after 6 o\u2019clock tonight and they should be warning people not to leave the building while voting on amendments is occurring.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Louisa Wall to clause 15 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022f79d6ce15a6b4b9581e51bb049cd3e2d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 45\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 13.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 75\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 12; M\u0101ori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000475\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 167 in the name of Marama Davidson to clause 33 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002237cb5a62af864a6e890b7f39a62215c4\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 45\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 13.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 75\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 12; M\u0101ori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022edbfca4f23e24c718e90aed76201fd04\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That Te W\u0101hanga 1AA to Te W\u0101hanga 4, Parts 1AA to 4, te \u0101pitihanga 1 o te \u0101pitihanga 8, and schedules 1 to 8 as amended be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 108\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 13; M\u0101ori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 12\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First 12.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ETe W\u0101hanga 1AA to Te W\u0101hanga 4, Parts 1AA to 4, te \u0101pitihanga 1 o te \u0101pitihanga 8, and schedules 1 to 8 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000476\u0022\u003EBill reported with amendment.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000477\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016040779c9e811cab144edafe1f5829b093738000478\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 6.03 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"