"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022035947625b154fa6aa6febd2dd674f32\u0022\u003EWEDNESDAY, 21 SEPTEMBER 2016\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002295d0b97869674e0681b82db402f1c92d\u0022\u003EWEDNESDAY, 21 SEPTEMBER 2016\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000002\u0022\u003EMr Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223cb363d1ea784408a52dd9623e627423\u0022\u003EMotions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f8924066eee546e08263baf8a9027050\u0022\u003EInternational Day of Peace\u2014Commemoration\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022 data-id=\u0022688f2c9d17744edfadc192e2387a35f9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022688f2c9d17744edfadc192e2387a35f9\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Labour\u2014New Lynn):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to move a motion without notice and without debate to commemorate International Day of Peace.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d97ed195481403d8ea28ea1acb1f1b6\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243edc3cc58504bf7948c6bdc7fd600ed\u0022\u003EHon DAVID CUNLIFFE\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That this House recognise and celebrate the International Day of Peace by acknowledging and working collectively to address the serious threats the international community faces in progress towards peace, including the ongoing North Korean nuclear test, the appalling civil war in Syria, large-scale displacement of refugees, re-modernisation of nuclear arsenals, and growing superpower tensions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0192ed9-5715-4f6c-bd52-8db4f3466087\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022abc3a2cb402a4b799924eb01a666fdd9\u0022\u003EGaza\u2014Women\u2019s Peace Boat\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022 data-id=\u0022ad2da8daca3a44e897ed7e72083abb77\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ad2da8daca3a44e897ed7e72083abb77\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to move a motion without notice and without debate in support of the Women\u2019s Peace Boat to Gaza, including New Zealand MP Marama Davidson, to show solidarity and support to the Palestinian people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc53c44c30e84520ae1972c19c6eaabc\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The first purpose is the member seeking leave to move that motion without notice and without debate. I will put the leave. Leave is sought\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad50821877dd47d6823368fa0dfc84e6\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I make the point that for some time now we have generally had an arrangement where whips\u2019 offices contacted one another to indicate whether or not there would be support for leave. It does not look good if members move motions of this nature that are then declined, but there will often be good reasons why a Government cannot support some motions, and I think it would be timely for all parties to agree that the arrangements they had previously accepted through the Business Committee are followed\u2014unless, of course, this week\u2019s breakdown of the Business Committee arrangements are to be permanent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022acf88df4ad2b48c888dfec8c71e5681d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I will hear from Catherine Delahunty.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff9d1533a4634ca0b742de038441538b\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY\u003C/span\u003E: We circulated this motion this morning and were told by National it had declined it. So what is your issue?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dfdfca86153b46beb02453fce93b3ba9\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I think the point that Mr Brownlee makes is that the Business Committee is a very important institution for the working of this Parliament. We have, at times, discussed the need for more cooperation and collaboration. Whether that has happened or not on this occasion, the member has every right to seek leave to move a motion without notice and without debate, so I will put the leave. Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022343561fb76ef4e6ebb37cd83d9143a01\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That this House express its support for the Women\u2019s Peace Boat to Gaza and the International Coalition of Women on that boat, including New Zealand member of Parliament Marama Davidson, as it sails to Gaza to show solidarity and support to the Palestinian people, and highlight the contributions of Palestinian women who have been central within the Palestinian struggle in Gaza and the diaspora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00221395c05795234f0c966fe1b00c5c8f9d\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ec8e57ff40c8419ea4365b63b28af0e2\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227db2c2981a324357ac63f7504ac9955c\u0022\u003EEconomy\u2014Household Debt\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u002291a1ed1b51774fc4b5fb8ac8122ca763\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002291a1ed1b51774fc4b5fb8ac8122ca763\u0022\u003EGRANT ROBERTSON (Labour\u2014Wellington Central)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Is it correct that the household debt-to-income ratio is now 165 percent, and does he agree with Westpac senior economist Satish Ranchhod\u2019s comment in response to this record high level, \u201Cyou can\u2019t continue to grow an economy just using debt, there needs to be more to prop up activity\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u0022e5890ad0c0cb44f1901c3739c91f8e1a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e5890ad0c0cb44f1901c3739c91f8e1a\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E The answer to the first question is yes, and, to the second question, no. I would reiterate previous statements I have made. Households make their own decisions about how much debt to take on, but those households that are taking on proportionately large amounts of debt at the moment should not rely on any assumption that interest rates will stay where they are for ever or that they will not increase.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022850e1cfc68fd44f58aa6051d40573758\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Can he confirm that a household debt to income ratio of 165 percent is higher than during the global financial crisis, and has increased by 36 percent since his Government came to office and by nearly 8 percent in just the last year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022410139d9b8e14da6a188fd6ffa183472\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I think those numbers are probably right. The member needs to be reminded that the Government does not decide how much money households borrow. And one of the reasons for the ongoing increase is that interest rates have continued to drop in ways that neither households nor the Government nor economists expected would occur. But people who are borrowing large amounts of money right now should not be operating on the assumption that interest rates will stay low for ever.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b42d12a35e64430b73dcfabbd829ea1\u0022\u003EBrett Hudson\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with Westpac senior economist Satish Ranchhod\u2019s comment: \u201Cit\u2019s looking like the economy will keep trucking along for the next year or so, with a range of economic indicators pointing towards continued momentum in activity.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247441adb4f074fc093eed0e9b8930565\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I do. The economist who pointed out the relatively high level of household debt also pointed out that the economy is moving along pretty consistently, and figures that came out in the last week or so show that the rate of growth of the New Zealand economy is among the higher growth rates in the developed world. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225fb4a2bb4c61457c8436f86e616ef288\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Why is he claiming success for the economy when house prices have risen at seven times the rate of incomes across New Zealand under his watch?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022966bba66653c4a47ac6bd439845c8498\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: It is not so much a matter of whether the Government is claiming success for the economy. The member should go out and have a look around the economy and see the confidence and investment that is going on. There has been extensive discussion of house prices, and we will be keen to see the Opposition parties support Government measures, both through the Resource Management Amendment Bill and further into next year, which will help deal with the planning problems that underwrite the house price increases.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a841b20622f2445b9688d2f1f0235328\u0022\u003EBrett Hudson\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with Westpac senior economist Satish Ranchhod\u2019s comment: \u201CThe strengthening in economic conditions has been rippling through the household sector. Employment is up, with business surveys showing a 2.8 percent increase in the number of full-time equivalent employees over the past year, \u2026 Conditions in the housing and construction sectors are very strong.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022355fd7289e36465886c5e0ff556a9c6e\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I do agree with the economist\u2019s comments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002271b13f5087004d2fa5be63301dcf275a\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Why is he not being more urgent in addressing the housing crisis, with housing debt estimated by Treasury to be more than $215 billion\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208017ba9eda847b6892b732711d99f8e\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: How much?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d6aee6813304ed99859e7ded331b7db\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014$215 billion\u2014given his own statement in 2012 that \u201Chigh housing debt diverts money from more productive investments, contributes to New Zealand\u2019s significant overall level of indebtedness and exposes taxpayers to growing demands for State assistance with housing costs.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e76beecca1a4a51b808d3b3160d3104\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I do, and that is why the Government has invested some time and energy over the last 3 or 4 years\u2014a huge amount, actually\u2014in shifting the regulatory environment, and in particular supporting the Auckland Council, which has produced a unitary plan, which is a very big step forward in mitigating these problems. I might just point out to the member that the cost of servicing this level of household debt is nearly 40 percent lower today than was the cost in 2008 when he left office. So households have more debt, but the cost of servicing it is lower than it used to be.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e1750d85bc7465c98167e42132c8793\u0022\u003EBrett Hudson\u003C/span\u003E: How does household borrowing compare with other measures of household wealth, including bank deposits, total financial assets, and net worth?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228683b263a90c4957ba605604c276a05b\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: At the same time as debt has been rising\u2014and, as I have said, those who are borrowing large amounts at the moment are taking risks\u2014household bank deposits have increased almost, but not quite, as fast; financial assets have increased quite significantly, around about 40 percent over the last 6 or 7 years; and household wealth, including the family home, now exceeds $1 trillion. So, yes, debt has risen; so have financial assets and overall household wealth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237d0b8cf22b145c5a7edeb672cce0dd8\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Why does he think Satish Ranchhod is stating so clearly that the economy is built on debt rather than productive growth, and could it be because he has been so complacent in terms of seeing debt pushed into unproductive housing speculation rather than raising productivity and growing and developing new businesses?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f46b453053a4bd282ce2252c7af24e2\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I think the economist overstates the position, actually. In a growing economy, you would expect more debt. You would also expect more debt when interest rates are so low, but where we would agree with the economist is that at the margin households are borrowing large amounts of money at very low interest rates, stretching their ability to service it, and taking a risk, and if that risk eventuates I do not think there would be much sympathy for people who borrow too much when the risks were obvious.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002254170371a40a4851a1ea0f507a624141\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Is it not correct that after 8 years the housing crisis is now so out of control that we have the lowest homeownership rates in more than 60 years, we have more New Zealanders homeless than ever, and we now have household debt to income ratios at record levels, and all of that falls at the feet of a Government that has completely failed on housing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223324be7c0e0e4d13acec55011120eeb1\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a2ae41c738244cd48f836a8e806374b5\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: No, that is not correct. As the member knows, at the core of what is going on in house prices has been two or three decades of misguided planning, which was intended to ration land and housing, and that has meant that when there is strong demand because of a strong economy and low interest rates, housing supply has not been flexible enough. That is why we are working with the councils and the Parliament to change the rules so we can get a better functioning housing market.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002258c6b65df1bc477dad73c529edf689ee\u0022\u003EEconomic Growth\u2014Economic Growth Per Capita\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022 data-id=\u002292e6dce50e6c446ba20f7f5d292d7be0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002292e6dce50e6c446ba20f7f5d292d7be0\u0022\u003ESCOTT SIMPSON (National\u2014Coromandel)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What impact is New Zealand\u2019s growing economy having on trends in GDP per capita?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u0022c0e58ad442984fc493a83d8c64d8f97f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c0e58ad442984fc493a83d8c64d8f97f\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Statistics New Zealand figures show that the per capita measure that has been discussed much in the House here, real gross domestic product per capita, has increased by 4.2 percent in the past 3 years, which is pretty good given that it has been a time of rapid population growth. Since 2011 real GDP per capita has increased by 8.2 percent, so it is simply wrong for any number of commentators or members of the House to say that, per capita, incomes are not rising. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ad89f0d49724543809b5700e4c6bd70\u0022\u003EScott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: What other measures of per capita income growth confirm that the benefits of a growing economy are being passed through to hard-working New Zealanders like those living in the Coromandel electorate? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228bd757d1a2fc453dbd1633306a408611\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: In the Coromandel they are probably tracking the real gross national disposable income per capita, and if they are following that closely they will see that it increased by 6.3 percent in the last 3 years, and that since 2011 it has increased by 10.2 percent. So it does not really matter which way you calculate per capita growth, it is consistently positive.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022592dec27155c4b00b65bf50058edd54a\u0022\u003EScott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: Apart from the rising GDP per capita, what other benefits is the growing economy delivering for all New Zealanders? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002233f21001abe5401abe08e368e901ed1f\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: The growing economy is particularly delivering benefits that are directly relevant to New Zealand households: wages are increasing significantly ahead of inflation, employment prospects are strong, and people are optimistic about their future. New Zealand\u2019s economy is characterised by moderate but consistent growth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230c7cf12bf1d485eb10727ae8f70a1bf\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm that real gross national disposable income on an annual average was 0.5 percent\u2014half of 1 percent\u2014and can he understand why New Zealanders who are living in the here and now, rather than on his trend, might feel that they are just running hard to stand still?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e11c3b7dc82a4c7b8c336c90c9cf6e2e\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: As I have pointed out any number of times, you will find periods of a quarter\u2014that is, 3 months of the year\u2014or, the odd time, an annual average, where the number is maybe negative, or maybe a small degree positive. But any reasonable measure over any length of time is showing New Zealand incomes, both gross incomes and per capita incomes, are rising moderately and generally consistently.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c64ca1059f9a40d6b623d384e7e979e1\u0022\u003EScott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: Could the Minister tell us please how New Zealand\u2019s economy is performing relative to other developed countries?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022566a5b7ebb174c9ca97c5c50a77c55db\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: There are any number of measures, but, by and large, New Zealand is doing better than many other developed countries. New Zealand\u2019s growth rate is about the third fastest in the OECD. Our employment rate is the equal-second-highest in the OECD\u2014that is, the proportion of the working-age population with jobs is about the second highest in the developed world.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220e8361430de341dfa81e1e3391118cc7\u0022\u003EImmigration, Energy and Resources, and Environment, Ministers\u2014Confidence\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022 data-id=\u00223d841187c6074e1b97d15ffe6fb41862\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223d841187c6074e1b97d15ffe6fb41862\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Question No. 3\u2014Ron Mark, on behalf of the Rt Hon Winston Peters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e75f4a888ae44813bb9f6d92118120ce\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Who\u2019s on holiday?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229160739c30a74c9bab2c1fe0b9227623\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That is the sort of interjection that leads to gross disorder.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u0022d021263dcac249a08351356840241a80\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E3. RON MARK (Deputy Leader\u2014NZ First) on behalf of \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d021263dcac249a08351356840241a80\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader\u2014NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he have confidence in all his Ministers; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u0022b7597aa88d0f437e969320a93f6d82d3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b7597aa88d0f437e969320a93f6d82d3\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Acting Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, and particularly the Minister who just said that the leader of New Zealand First must be away on holiday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022203c8b9932c3431287de4bfa8d29cf72\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! I advised Mr Brownlee when he interjected that that would lead to gross disorder. No one should refer to the absence of any member, and it is equally disorderly then for the Acting Prime Minister to do so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222371e497daf3493dbca2b4dc1cc7df71\u0022\u003ERon Mark\u003C/span\u003E: How can he have confidence in his Minister of Immigration when Vinod Kumar Sharma, a former Indian education agent, was able to obtain an immigration licence from the Immigration Advisers Authority despite three cases of fraud confirmed by Immigration New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002271f4e4a25e114846abd695925c0604f6\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: I cannot comment on the individual cases other than to say that if anyone has broken the law, they are likely to get caught, and if they get caught, they are likely to get punished.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ae87971db4334c4a96469bbc79b51b5a\u0022\u003ERon Mark\u003C/span\u003E: How can he have confidence in the Minister of Immigration when he has implemented only three of the 14 recommendations from the MartinJenkins review of immigration advice, which has resulted in the Immigration Advisers Authority receiving 143 complaints this year about dodgy education agents who are based in India and are giving New Zealand immigration advice unlawfully?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291e8c14494004c8baf80a7ceca32648b\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: The Minister is implementing the recommendations of the review, and I think the member just needs to understand that whatever the rules are, there will be people who try to break them. The Government cannot make a set of rules that mean that no one tries to break those rules, but we can be assured that if they try to break them and succeed, they are likely to be caught and will be punished.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221479c899fa354611b626fde54074f826\u0022\u003ERon Mark\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table a response to an Official Information Act request from the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment dated 5 August, giving a summary of the total number of complaints received and the recommendations that have been implemented\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7b26538bca8429db683f36ae0cc7b66\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! It has been described. Leave is sought to table that particular document. Is there any objection? There is objection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e18e7a7e2fb3447e9d31f5db0fa29699\u0022\u003ERon Mark\u003C/span\u003E: How can he have confidence in the Minister of Energy and Resources, who will not use his section 18 powers to scrap the Electricity Authority\u2019s unfair imposition of new power charges?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022afcc48a224364245b26515a4657c5f50\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: That may be the member\u2019s view about the discussion that is going on about transmission charging, but the Prime Minister has every confidence in the Minister of Energy and Resources. In fact, I cannot recall a time when consumer prices for electricity have been less contentious. In fact, I believe, under this Minister\u2019s watch, they have been dropping to some extent, which is a pretty major achievement, and I would have thought the member would want to congratulate him on that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b27c356a05b14fafa3902f86ea3a3b22\u0022\u003ERon Mark\u003C/span\u003E: How can he have confidence in the Minister of Energy and Resources when the National Party\u2019s pet pollster, David Farrar, found that Kiwis want to pay the same electricity prices from Kait\u0101ia to Bluff and will not forgive his Government if it betrays that fundamental principle?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264d8b5c3fb274dcba8c1ac14c40ed140\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: Whatever discussions New Zealand First is having with some pollster, I should think it will not be top of mind for the Minister of Energy and Resources. His job is to make sure that we have an efficient market, and I must say that despite the opposition of New Zealand First, the 51 percent Government-owned companies, having been partially sold down, are contributing to that efficient market.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220a5b068cb4424e2594bc723e6e0d0e7c\u0022\u003ERon Mark\u003C/span\u003E: How can hard up families in Northland deal with another $15.5 million in power charges\u2014and, for that matter, struggling businesses in Northland?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ecc68ab3708b406c9458113e976b1eda\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: All participants in this discussion should take into account the impact on households and businesses\u2014and, in particular, households and businesses in the region. And that is really the point of having what has been a quite transparent and very long, drawn-out process to discuss exactly those issues.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220759a5eae80042308eab9a3950c2e345\u0022\u003ERon Mark\u003C/span\u003E: How can the Prime Minister continue to have confidence in the Minister for the Environment, who was clearly demoted as the lead negotiator over the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary due to his bloody-minded incompetence in dealing with the fishing industry over its property rights?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002272a6b378d8814677b67eb799322c9f55\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The question is a very marginal question. I will let the Acting Prime Minister answer it the way he sees fit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022497cec2b4dc24efe99cfb2e33491e83d\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH\u003C/span\u003E: It is a bit rich coming from New Zealand First, which cannot even get itself organised to confirm some Treaty settlements that have already been done, to then criticise the Minister over negotiations that are dealing with very complex issues of property rights for M\u0101ori. It seems completely contradictory on the part of New Zealand First.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022748926a435e244ec963d340e7a2abb97\u0022\u003ERon Mark\u003C/span\u003E: I seek the leave of the House to table the voting records at select committee that show\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a07d1525cd44ab3a1ee40a98d8366e6\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! The member is now trifling with the House with such a point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226b53152c72e84c91af9dd7c2ea7d9678\u0022\u003EHousing Market\u2014Overseas Investment\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u00226a651985c6894e54b2205b00581028ef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226a651985c6894e54b2205b00581028ef\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD (Labour\u2014Te Atat\u016B):\u003C/span\u003E Does he stand by his statement that the evidence about\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022 data-id=\u0022999bfb0022e44bc5b508019835181f0b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022999bfb0022e44bc5b508019835181f0b\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! There is just too much chatter going on. Mr Mark, if you wish to carry on a conversation, do it in the lobbies. Phil Twyford, could we have the question again, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u00221089df651edd49b5acdd917e3c0b7bbe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221089df651edd49b5acdd917e3c0b7bbe\u0022\u003EPHIL TWYFORD (Labour\u2014Te Atat\u016B)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Building and Housing: Does he stand by his statement that the evidence about overseas buyers impacting the New Zealand housing market is \u201Cdiddly-squat\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u0022dc78b3d44e7048ccabb61093efabaecc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dc78b3d44e7048ccabb61093efabaecc\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister for Building and Housing):\u003C/span\u003E That statement was made in response to the member\u2019s claim that 40 percent of Auckland house sales were to people with Chinese-sounding names, and, thus, foreigners. We now have data on the tax residency of the buyer and seller of every property. In the first 6 months of this year we had 102,792 transactions, of which 2,907 buyers were tax resident offshore and 2,622 sellers were tax resident offshore. This net change of 285 out of 102,000 is impacting diddly-squat of the housing market.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bbe5714afc16445e96d24fbf067f9484\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: Does he consider the $100 million in tax lost due to tax breaks for offshore property speculators\u2014tax that hard-working Kiwi families have to then make up for\u2014to also be diddly-squat; and, if not, how much diddly of the tax system will it take before his Government does something about the speculators who are ripping us off?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bcbdb220325d45f39d09c6ba4e3c666c\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: In so far as there is ministerial responsibility, the Hon Dr Nick Smith.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223663003d8357497facc34e8801ec62dd\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s figures are incorrect and also overlook two significant facts\u2014that is, from 1 July law passed by this Government actually requires a withholding tax on all sales by non-resident taxpayers, and actually, given that rents are relatively flat, I think most would accept the major gains have actually been in the value of the house, rather than the rent. The second recent change is that the new loan-to-value ratio limits require a high level of deposit by investors, and that will actually reduce the amount of tax deductibility that is available on interest. The third fact the member overlooks is, actually, if you look at the data from the Inland Revenue Department, the New Zealand investors were paying less tax on their invested properties than those from overseas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ce929ae41c74dc1a50ca97d8c80bbbc\u0022\u003EStuart Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister aware of any concerns being expressed about the targeting of ethnic Chinese in New Zealand in the debate on housing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221baa1f0f4303470783d1ec746c64614a\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I am aware of concerns. A number of people have expressed concern to me that assuming people with Chinese-sounding names are immoral foreign speculators is unfair. I am also aware that a particular mayoral candidate for Auckland has distanced himself and apologised to the Chinese community for Labour\u2019s racial profiling. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6040649e9c84506a1f0e0ea0ecc509d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c706d185463e4e55b468d98855ab86e6\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: What is the benefit to New Zealand of negative gearing tax breaks, which last year allowed 35 percent of offshore investors to pay no tax on their rental properties?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002255522312f53d46b3ba3014d708eb7e32\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Firstly, the member is incorrect in that, with the new tax law, we now require withholding tax on the sale of any properties. As I said, most of us would accept, particularly in the Auckland market, that the rents actually have not increased substantially, and the gains would actually be in re-sale. The second point I would make is that the tax working party looked at the issue of negative gearing, and concluded that there was no gain to the taxpayer from the changes that the member has advocated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281ef4371034547ea9a868d0a0f1d8f81\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: How does allowing offshore speculators to own properties in New Zealand help young Kiwi first-home buyers, when those speculators are so aggressively using negative gearing tax breaks that they are paying only half as much tax per property as local landlords do?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221c06ca975865416cb22ec7f3d09f76fa\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s claim is incorrect. The number for overseas people was 35 percent; the number for New Zealand investors was actually 43 percent\u2014i.e., there was a larger proportion of New Zealand investors in the property market. I also point out the fact that, actually, the level of offshore investment from overseas residents, in respect of property, is small.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002256f637fbfbc542c5b386fd5012e20b58\u0022\u003EPhil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: When will he stop backing offshore speculators and instead start backing New Zealand first-home buyers by banning offshore speculators and shutting down negative gearing tax breaks for property speculation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226a32c5e2d01b400ab1a0c1541936c49d\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: New Zealand tax law treats those who are offshore exactly the same, in terms of their tax liabilities in New Zealand, except with the change that we actually made on 1 July with requiring a withholding tax. I would also point out to the member\u2014what has he got against New Zealand citizens who may be working overseas for a period, who own a property in New Zealand and rent that property out? Why should they be taxed any differently from any other investor?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e405f61e07c34c8fb4730a96380e3c7f\u0022\u003EResource Management Act\u2014Nova Energy, Power Plant Application\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022 data-id=\u0022546923e51bef431a857075bb3a7a0f04\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022546923e51bef431a857075bb3a7a0f04\u0022\u003EJAMES SHAW (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for the Environment: Will he call in Nova Energy\u2019s application to build a new gas-burning power plant, as a matter of national significance under the Resource Management Act 1991?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u0022f8bc188e1d4f4129935b38459d6cb225\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f8bc188e1d4f4129935b38459d6cb225\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E I am yet to make a decision or give consideration to calling in the particular application. I would note that Simon Upton, the previous environment Minister, did call in the Stratford gas-fired power station in 1993, but a significant change was made in the law in 2004 by the previous Government that specifically excluded the consideration of greenhouse gas emissions, in respect of such resource consents. The last point I would make is that this Government introduced an emissions trading scheme (ETS), which currently applies a charge of $18.80 per tonne of greenhouse gas emissions. That discourages those power stations, and actually the level of greenhouse gas emissions from the electricity sector is at a 20-year low because of the effectiveness of those policies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e005c06637724fc78dc7c4840558de32\u0022\u003EJames Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware that under section 142 of the Resource Management Act he can call in a project because of its impacts on New Zealand\u2019s international obligations, including its commitments to reduce carbon emissions under the Paris Agreement?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221cdfd880b0784ca2b4cc00b974101de5\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. But the member also needs to be aware of the change that was made to the Resource Management Act in 2004, which specifically said that any air discharge of carbon dioxide, in respect of climate change, is specifically excluded from consideration under the Resource Management Act, because of the fact that the emissions trading scheme imposes a cost on greenhouse gas emissions. The member also needs to note that our system of electricity does require backup for wind and hydro\u2014and I would much rather that backup was an efficient gas-fired power station than the old Huntly power station, because its emissions are about half.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f66dfd1a0a045e5aa4d124079757a72\u0022\u003ESarah Dowie\u003C/span\u003E: What progress has this Government made in increasing the proportion of renewables in the electricity sector, and how does this compare with previous Governments?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ba2c86c3e574a4592c94e1d003a8daa\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002260a99a4e05ce41fbaca47dba0594a7cf\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! To my learned colleague and Assistant Speaker, I would be grateful for less interjection. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2e3179d911347a5bc9de0d4b8882fab\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: I am very pleased to share with the House the progress on renewable electricity. Let me give you the numbers: in 2000, 75 percent of New Zealand\u2019s electricity was renewable, but after 9 years that had dropped to only 65 percent. In the 8 years that we have now been in Government, it has actually improved from 65 percent to 81 percent\u2014and is now at the highest level of renewables that our country has ever had. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c426b33e567b445b912a0aedd079a44a\u0022\u003ERichard Prosser\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eba86e81f058439ca4b56e5b35683f65\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! Is this a point\u2014[Interruption] Order! I have a point of order from Richard Prosser. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229dc203b3-21b0-4d4a-a530-746504e05f20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002271ac2de1f6a841c9933f2a04ae62c780\u0022\u003ERichard Prosser\u003C/span\u003E: If the Minister was quoting those figures from an official source, I would ask that he table it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3b0c0d8e8834a40be2f11e9644e25ce\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Was the Minister quoting from an official document?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225fa3c63874484289bf5e9aaee8f01c08\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: They are on the net.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222bc323f309db4a299925f8fc18c6f865\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d90185ef1824c7da75fb87e05bd6ae0\u0022\u003EJames Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: Will Nova Energy\u2019s proposed new gas-fired power station increase or decrease New Zealand\u2019s greenhouse gas emissions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222cedda51d17d45bc9b4e82115e337151\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The nature of New Zealand\u2019s electricity system, with its dependence on both hydro and wind, does require that we have thermal backup. At the moment, the bulk of that thermal backup is provided by the very old coal-fired power station at Huntly. If this new Nova station was to replace that coal backup with the latest technology of gas, it would actually halve the amount of emissions per unit of electricity. That is an issue that is incentivised by the ETS\u2014that discourages emissions, with, actually, one of the highest ETS charges in the Western World, now at $18.80. We think that is a more efficient way to discourage greenhouse gas emissions than the blunt tool of a yes or no on a resource consent. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228cc0be335cf843a885458838d47993bb\u0022\u003EJames Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: So, then, can he guarantee that if it is built, Nova\u2019s new gas-fired power station will replace Huntly coal; and would it not be better for the environment if we were to replace Huntly coal with renewables rather than with another fossil fuel - fired power plant?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a70881632b34733bcb96d9329cc286d\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: There is a difference of view as to whether you run a command-and-control electricity system or a market electricity system. The Government\u2019s view is that you should have a market but that you should discourage thermal generation by imposing a charge. I note that New Zealand actually has one of the highest charges, with the ETS price now being $18.80\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a100e93120d8414ca8ab5a572910580a\u0022\u003EJames Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f86b39b9e93f4ad59d99a8592e944665\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! Point of order\u2014James Shaw. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002293af2b88d8cd4294bd89de91d42a126c\u0022\u003EJames Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. My supplementary question was whether he would guarantee that one power plant would replace the other. He actually has not addressed that question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229fb47f21a97e48578400c8e303cd90ab\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, that was the first question. The member actually asked two supplementary questions. He should have only asked one, but he asked two, and I think on this occasion the Minister addressed, very definitely, the second question that was asked. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022872e6de2b52142029fd53b9d0a7570e7\u0022\u003EJames Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: Given that last month he told my office that he had not received any information or advice on the plan to build this new fossil fuel power plant, does he think that as environment Minister he is on top of all the relevant issues in his portfolio?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264c2bb2d90294f73847de6a31fc40368\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: There is a strict legal process around me using those call-in powers, and that is why today, when he asked me whether I am prepared to give an instant decision on whether I will be using those powers or not\u2014when he asked the question, no application had been lodged. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238eb240261184078b1db66eaf71e0934\u0022\u003EJames Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: Given that climate change is an issue of not just national significance but international significance, should not all New Zealanders be able to have a say about the new fossil fuel power plant through a board of inquiry?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d3ce50deba443c1bac1ba66da6e7862\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The member should have a chat with his new-found friends in Labour who amended the Resource Management Act and specifically excluded the consideration of greenhouse gas emissions\u2014discharges\u2014in any resource consent application. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4193d4ef7c8475a9f384148808d3a8c\u0022\u003EJames Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: So if New Zealand\u2019s international obligations under the Paris Agreement are not enough to make him call in this proposed power plant for a board of inquiry, what would be enough?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022920a077f5c87411f80a5628d05a8a253\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: I will make a decision through the proper legal process on whether I will use my call-in powers on this application, or not. But I would point out to the member that in New Zealand meeting its Paris climate change obligations, the best tool to achieve that is through an effective emissions trading scheme. That is what numerous reports have stated. We can see the record, under this Government, of an increasing proportion of renewable electricity that shows that our policy approach is working. Actually, greenhouse gas emissions from the electricity sector are at the lowest level in 20 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229dea064516e5481ea468ef0bda3fa496\u0022\u003ERegional Economic Development\u2014West Coast\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022ee5065c8eb6240948bb48877e4b09324\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ee5065c8eb6240948bb48877e4b09324\u0022\u003EMAUREEN PUGH (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Economic Development: What recent announcements has the Government made about economic development on the West Coast?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022 data-id=\u00229001efc462624c4fb37456525932df79\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229001efc462624c4fb37456525932df79\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Economic Development):\u003C/span\u003E Yesterday, alongside Ministers Adams, Bridges, and Flavell, and of course the local member herself, I released the Tai Poutini West Coast Regional Growth Study\u2014a detailed report on the economy of the West Coast that outlines significant potential to attract new investment and diversify the economy of the region. After a strong economic run, the West Coast has been affected by global economic headwinds that have dropped international prices for minerals and milk powder, although they have started to recover more recently. The West Coast regional growth programme is a unique opportunity for the local community and business leaders to work alongside central government and commit to an action plan to grow the region through new investment and new industries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022956ccf822c9b4773af918cafb2c5fa81\u0022\u003EMaureen Pugh\u003C/span\u003E: What economic opportunities for the West Coast does the report identify?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224246e60f1b9d407d9296ee7015b47e5d\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: The report names a number of areas of strength for the West Coast and a range of new opportunities. Of course, tourism is one important industry on the Coast, with huge untapped further potential, based on the stunning scenery and cultural history. In the primary sector, although dairy is likely to remain an important part of the economy, the Coast is home to a number of food and beverage entrepreneurs exporting high-quality products like cranberries, blueberries, honey, meat and vegetables, and power cookies. The report outlines that the minerals industry on the Coast will remain important, but industries like aquaculture and ICT will also provide opportunities. Due to its distance from markets, high-quality infrastructure is critical to encourage growth on the Coast, and this Government will continue to invest in this area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002266d4fde2d72d4b77be02588308aa43c5\u0022\u003EMaureen Pugh\u003C/span\u003E: What investment is the Government making to encourage\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a579b86458cf4cdc9a6e64d03db42671\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I am having trouble hearing the question. I want less interjection, and it is coming from right across the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224d09a0bbc2614af38a341a5e2e7b9305\u0022\u003EMaureen Pugh\u003C/span\u003E: What investment is the Government making to encourage economic growth on the West Coast?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022402c525686c74ae89129eeb4631c3dc6\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: A couple of months ago I was pleased to announce that Greymouth has become New Zealand\u2019s 12th fully fibre town, under the Government\u2019s ultra-fast broadband (UFB) programme. In addition, four West Coast towns\u2014Hokitika, Reefton, R\u016Bnanga, and Westport\u2014are on the candidate list for the next stage of UFB. We are investing more in other critical infrastructure, including the Taramakau road bridge duplication near Greymouth and the Mingha Bluff to Rough Creek realignment near Arthur\u2019s Pass. There is new tourism development\u2014the Old Ghost Road cycleway involving a $3 million Government investment, and our $10 million commitment to create New Zealand\u2019s 10th Great Walk, between Blackball and Punakaiki, to commemorate the Pike 29. This Government is working hard with the West Coast, despite the derision of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8dad0c68b4442548636ab027c93e3f3\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261431f32f4d8443eb2396382b7020249\u0022\u003EHon Damien O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Will this study compensate for the 5 percent annual reduction in GDP and the hundreds of jobs lost on the West Coast, after 8 years of a National Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f7b8ea0f9e44afa96e46d267a87ab95\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: I note for the member that, actually, employment on the Coast has grown in the last year. The issues of the dairy industry and the minerals industry have caused issues. I also note that the member too was present at the launch yesterday and was very proudly displaying his copy of the report, after the launch was released. Thank you very much, Damien, for showing your support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f5683bc882744b4be0d6db58c4f66b6\u0022\u003EHon Damien O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Having taken the time to read the report, how comprehensive is the study when it states that \u201CNo specific opportunities have been identified for the dairy sector\u201D, given this is the second-largest industry in our region and growing\u2014what can we believe? [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e23352e62d8d45849204bba619d91075\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I am vitally interested in the answer, so I do want to hear it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002221691c3f0c0e4f959b6f1095855561fd\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: Perhaps the report writers have been listening to Grant Robertson saying that we should not have anything to do with the dairy industry, but the point that they were actually making is that the dairy industry is a mature industry on the Coast. It will continue to be important, but the new industries will be adding in alongside the dairy industry that this Government is very keen to support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220289a6fd618540f8a4bd36d65f464f0e\u0022\u003EHon Damien O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table this report, which states on page\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c2cfd32d93347fa93c2d8adcf14db02\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! No. The report is freely available. Members can have a look at it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022da71088d71bd4f4fa6b85e219eb65914\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: What role do iwi play in encouraging economic development in the regions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022369968d631964f849cd181973031cd19\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE\u003C/span\u003E: A very important role, including, for example, yesterday on the West Coast, when Ng\u0101i Tahu were making the point that they are investing tens of millions of dollars in businesses and new industries that employ thousands of New Zealanders, including on the Coast. Iwi\u2019s role in regional development is one of the key reasons this Government is keen to progress Treaty settlements as quickly as we can, and that is why it is so disappointing\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207bdbeef552c4366abb798e68c259148\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! We do not need any more of the answer. [Interruption] Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eae380974e1543088cd5f9ad1d3f1eb1\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. You could see where that Minister was going\u2014rather cack-handedly, but very obviously\u2014and he should be stopped in his tracks. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225d52c4f6b36849449e418afee417fddf\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: If the member had observed, I gave the Minister time before I could observe where he was going. When I saw where he was going, I quickly brought the answer to a conclusion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203d125ad0f8647108c9383ee42a5cb0c\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286f75a6c1b0f41cf80a352ab9f7f403b\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It is my pleasure, Mr Peters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002256a295addca34aa48ff177158597087c\u0022\u003EChild Poverty and Homelessness\u2014Measurement and Role of Ministry for Vulnerable Children, Oranga Tamariki\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022 data-id=\u0022734f2cb4407b4098a0cbdad73a97a3e9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022734f2cb4407b4098a0cbdad73a97a3e9\u0022\u003EJACINDA ARDERN (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Social Development: What is the official measure, and number, of children living in homelessness and poverty in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u00222efc5fefcbcb4ff68bc54a5dcbe0ee6c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222efc5fefcbcb4ff68bc54a5dcbe0ee6c\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister for Social Development):\u003C/span\u003E In answer to all four of those questions, the Government does not believe that one measure or number can accurately define these complex issues. In terms of homelessness, there is no official measure of homelessness amongst children. There are a number of ways to measure homelessness or severe housing deprivation. In terms of poverty, the Government uses the Household Incomes Report and the companion report using non-income measures produced by the Ministry of Social Development (MSD). These reports use a multi-measure, multi-level approach to better capture trends, including material hardship measures, before-housing-costs income measures, and both anchored and moving-line after-housing-costs income measures.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224279c46bf5d6493e886905c77dbab795\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: When just a few days ago she stated that she told the United Nations \u201COf course we do have an official measure of poverty and children who live in homelessness.\u201D, what official statistics was she referring to, when she in her first answer refused to give a number?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b07b70aa9df4f5c8bb9b64d66342d49\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: That member has completely misquoted me\u2014that is the reality, but it is not unusual. However, the answer that I gave at the United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child was very similar, but I did give them MSD\u2019s current figures, which is one of the measures of homelessness, but I also stated that there is no measure for homeless children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af5487317f7b4938a3a615566b357e3d\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: Will her Ministry for Vulnerable Children be required to adopt a plan to reduce child poverty?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d08955f394a8449a9fe75cfcf9f6a9dd\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: The member confuses the role of the Ministry for Vulnerable Children, Oranga Tamariki, which is the correct name of the ministry, with the concept that only poor children are abused. In fact, the focus of that new ministry will be on reducing the abuse and neglect of children. That is the intent of the ministry and that is its unashamed focus\u2014and that goes across all spectrums of society. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1ae5d91609b469094bc8617daabcf5d\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: Is a child living in poverty vulnerable?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a61d1c55c8014c93be2ac45e4965b888\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: There are families who do not have a lot of money\u2014and there are many in New Zealand who do not have a lot of money\u2014who look after their children extremely well. It is difficult, but they look after their children extremely well. I find it offensive that the Opposition is suggesting that just because you are poor you beat your children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd92c930e32c46a9839d639081a90e3d\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: If, based on her answer, her ministry will deal only with children who are being abused, is this just a rebrand of Child, Youth and Family?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c16853250b2a479582c4c5bcee3713c3\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, we have had a lot of discussion from the Opposition as to what it thinks this ministry should be doing. I refer the member to the statistics that were produced by the expert advisory panel on the outcomes for children who are taken into State care. I have made it very clear this is not a rebrand of Child, Youth and Family. We have had that many, many times before and children continue to be abused and neglected. This Ministry for Vulnerable Children, Oranga Tamariki, is going to focus on making sure that those children who are being beaten and abused by the very people they should be trusting to love and look after them will get better care from this Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dfdc04a893a4469f8d6e6a6f547dc331\u0022\u003EJacinda Ardern\u003C/span\u003E: Was the name of her department\u2014the Ministry for Vulnerable Children, Oranga Tamariki\u2014the only option she advocated for or presented to Cabinet?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022528917c170814676a9449b2701cbdd14\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, Cabinet decisions have Cabinet responsibility. I proposed to Cabinet the name Ministry for Vulnerable Children, Oranga Tamariki, and Cabinet agreed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220f5c1a8443f64e18955c3ec4b5d226b7\u0022\u003ECrime Victims\u2014Evidence Amendment Bill and Court Processes\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022 data-id=\u00229075ed8cfa2c43908f330745b3d440f0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229075ed8cfa2c43908f330745b3d440f0\u0022\u003EKANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Justice: How will the Evidence Amendment Bill passed last night help vulnerable victims through the court process?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022 data-id=\u002281df79200f3c498b9d1c26b762febe80\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002281df79200f3c498b9d1c26b762febe80\u0022\u003EHon AMY ADAMS (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E Minimising the trauma that can result from helping to bring offenders to justice is an essential part of the Government\u2019s commitment to supporting victims of crime. Giving evidence can be especially tough for young and vulnerable witnesses. The changes we have made through this bill will help make the court process less traumatic for those it may affect the most. For example, the bill creates a presumption that child witnesses will give their evidence through either the video of their police interview, via closed-circuit television, or from behind a screen, and that all child witnesses will be automatically entitled to have a support person with them during this process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225255088d399e446ca2e9c71c6da70d0b\u0022\u003EKanwaljit Singh Bakshi\u003C/span\u003E: What protections does the bill have for sexual violence complainants?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b0d7e85ce60c4afca36e345eb0960e95\u0022\u003EHon AMY ADAMS\u003C/span\u003E: Giving evidence in a sexual violence trial can be particularly traumatic for complainants. The new bill will mean that the judge\u2019s permission will need to be sought before the trial begins if the defence wants to question the complainant about their sexual history with a person other than the defendant, and it ensures that strict controls are in place to protect the video records of victim statements. The changes in the bill are an important step in delivering on the Government\u2019s commitment to improve the experience of victims.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e013d6eaac95485bb4b6affade14ca84\u0022\u003EEnvironmental Protection Authority\u2014Funding and Reassessment of Potentially Hazardous Substances\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022 data-id=\u0022b77fc9cb6bd342c7b8025b1d3ff7115c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b77fc9cb6bd342c7b8025b1d3ff7115c\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for the Environment: Does the Environmental Protection Authority have sufficient funding to reassess the use of hazardous substances that it has agreed should be reassessed as a potential risk to people and the environment?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u0022ef0f744f470947d4896bb980d4109b00\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ef0f744f470947d4896bb980d4109b00\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E The Environmental Protection Authority (EPA) has a budget for doing reassessments and has prioritised it on the basis of those that pose the greatest risk in the New Zealand context. It is not practical to remove every potential risk, but I do have confidence in the EPA\u2019s priority setting process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222db818b06f214163a29d3bfee075397a\u0022\u003ECatherine Delahunty\u003C/span\u003E: Is it acceptable that even though the EPA has said there are valid reasons to reassess triclosan, a common ingredient in soap and handwash, it will be looked at only if I\u2014the person requesting reassessment\u2014pay $50,000 to ensure that it happens?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab00aad32a6d444989024bc9357cde2d\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, because the taxpayer and the Environmental Protection Authority prioritise the reassessment process on those things that pose the greatest risk. In respect of the particular chemical the member raises, the EPA does put a limit on the level that that chemical is allowed in products like hand sanitisers. There is no other country in the world that currently prohibits the use of that chemical. There is a question mark as to whether all of the possible tests have been done on that, and on that basis the EPA believes that there are other chemicals that pose far greater risk and so are higher priorities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e20abbe4d2da4200a50b185504090b26\u0022\u003ECatherine Delahunty\u003C/span\u003E: Given that the US Food and Drug Administration just banned this hazardous substance, triclosan, in soap due to its toxic effects and ineffectiveness as an anti-bacterial agent, will he instruct the EPA to carry out this reassessment in the public interest?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e55032ee602479aadf3aa5f92eff24b\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: No, and I would note that the Australian and European authorities do not share that view. The member further overstates what the EPA has said, in that the United States Environmental Protection Authority has simply said that it does not have sufficient evidence to be reassured. The third point I would make is that the Environmental Protection Authority is reassessing a number of organophosphates because it believes they pose a greater risk. I think it is absolutely valid that the EPA makes that decision on the grounds of scientific evidence, not politics.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002223209a2d396145c6bed070e57e75512e\u0022\u003ECatherine Delahunty\u003C/span\u003E: Is it more in the public interest to reassess the safety of veterinary products, which the EPA says is its priority, than the triclosan in our toothpaste, deodorant, soap, and kids\u2019 toys?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228f42cb6a8c2f4448a6b90d4cc11cd708\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The Environmental Protection Authority makes its decision about what chemicals need to be reassessed on the basis of those that pose the greatest risk to New Zealand health, in the New Zealand environment. I think it would be a tragedy, actually, if politics rather than proper scientific assessment got in the way of the way in which the Environmental Protection Authority does that work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229dbbcc4e92ea4d98a85ae0ca00d0a3e1\u0022\u003EOverseas Investment\u2014Economic Benefits\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022 data-id=\u0022398299bfb67041478bbe260678e825e5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022398299bfb67041478bbe260678e825e5\u0022\u003EJONO NAYLOR (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Land Information: How is overseas investment benefiting New Zealand and contributing to growing the economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u0022ae5a572f04864b15bffb30cc57e673bd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ae5a572f04864b15bffb30cc57e673bd\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Land Information):\u003C/span\u003E Overseas investment is fuelling growth in New Zealand. Regional economies are particularly benefiting from this capital, as it is used for expanding operations and helping to grow New Zealand\u2019s exports. It means growth for our regions and for New Zealand generally. It means more New Zealand - made products are sold overseas. It means an increase in local jobs for New Zealanders, including in the construction of new facilities. Overseas investment can also bring access to new ideas, technology, or production processes that help innovation and add value to goods and services that we produce.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ae666f787b84b94b39ce58711ad39d6\u0022\u003EJono Naylor\u003C/span\u003E: What examples has the Minister seen of delivering on these benefits?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a9042a349974292acddda8970c1088b\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: There are many examples of benefits being delivered from this overseas investment. One is Andros, a French company, which has acquired Barker\u2019s fruit processors in Geraldine. In only 11 months export volumes increased by 10 percent. Japanese company Daiken Corporation invested in a premium wood products factory in Rangiora, then spent significant amounts to increase the productivity of the plant. In addition, new technology has been introduced, such as resin producing technology to reduce formaldehyde emissions, as well as increasing the volume of timber it processed in New Zealand by 13 percent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022088d21d3c1e740cfa2a2a4b9cc27d985\u0022\u003EJono Naylor\u003C/span\u003E: What does this mean for New Zealanders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d8208d5f3c642608e8786de71454aa5\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: There are many cases in addition to economic benefits in the environment and in the community\u2014for example, new recreational opportunities for New Zealanders, including increased access for fishing, hunting, mountain biking, and walking. As well, there are new covenants protecting natural habitats and environments. In 2014-15 land in four high country stations between Lake W\u0101naka and Arrowtown was placed under conservation covenants in one of New Zealand\u2019s largest private land protection agreements. The covenant protects a wide variety of ecosystems, from wetlands, tussock grasslands, native shrub lands, alpine cushion fields, and mountain peaks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EFisheries\u2014Commercial Fish Dumping and Recreational Bag Limits\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u0022d9a2dcc0eb3d4cdab8522a0c2bc6deb9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d9a2dcc0eb3d4cdab8522a0c2bc6deb9\u0022\u003EKELVIN DAVIS (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tokerau)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Primary Industries: Why were bag limits for recreational fishers reduced when the Ministry for Primary Industries has ignored thousands of tonnes of fish being dumped by the commercial sector for years?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022 data-id=\u002281ebaee39732436e935db89d80a85acf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002281ebaee39732436e935db89d80a85acf\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY (Minister for Primary Industries):\u003C/span\u003E I am presuming that the member is asking specifically about Snapper 1, because his question is slightly confusing. It is not correct to imply that dumping was the cause of the decrease in the recreational bag limit to do with Snapper 1. As the member should be aware, the total allowable catch of snapper actually increased by 500 tonnes, and this was all allocated to recreational fishers. However, given growth in local population, this meant a small decrease in the daily bag limit. I also refute the member\u2019s assertion that the Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) has ignored the thousands of tonnes of fish being dumped. The Heron report clearly shows that MPI made a flawed decision not to prosecute in the case of Achilles but that, in general, it has a robust process and professional staff, who conduct around 300 prosecutions every year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203b2fdcf072044bb9d246362e817735f\u0022\u003EKelvin Davis\u003C/span\u003E: Why, then, did his officials say in 2013: \u201C\u2026the fact that we have known about these dumpings/discarding issues for many years, and would appear to have done little to combat it, would be very difficult to explain and be unpleasant at best.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022806dfb4b028a4047a9e4a85e05f63ecc\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I transgressed over this point several times yesterday\u2014[Interruption]\u2014in the House. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c0d757f34776425d914d9bc6f1e39132\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The important point is that\u2014[Interruption] Order! The question has been asked, and an answer is to be given, and substantially. If I have got to start asking people, and giving final warnings and naming people, I can. The level of interjection is just too high, particularly from my left, but not only from my left. The Hon Nathan Guy is to answer the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d7137d24b1f64d158b483021ee2cf91f\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: What I meant to say was I traversed the answer to the questions in the House yesterday around this topic, and what I said was that since the QMS has been in, successive Governments and officials have been grappling with the dumping issue, and there is no evidence that dumping has been a determinant in reducing recreational bag limits, because 96 percent of our stocks of known value are at or above sustainability levels.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ae27b1467e94c68ac888c7beb2d100f\u0022\u003EKelvin Davis\u003C/span\u003E: Under his ministerial leadership, who is more likely to be prosecuted: a recreational fisher who grabs one undersized snapper, or a commercial boat that dumps thousands of fish?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e3dff1948b94a608448846ed1ddc457\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: We take it very seriously\u2014to do with any issues of reporting, and to do with anything that comes to light to do with dumping or discarding or recreational fishers not adhering to their bag limits. We have about 300 prosecutions a year across recreational, customary, and commercial fishing. Also, we do about 3,000 infringements a year and about 1,000 vessel inspections. We take this very seriously, but, unfortunately, with Operation Achilles, as Queen\u2019s Counsel Heron\u2019s report says, it was a flawed decision, and I regret that MPI did not follow through with a prosecution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d16ebe7f13e346e9bb1396090eb333ac\u0022\u003EKelvin Davis\u003C/span\u003E: Given that answer, can he confirm that commercial fishers who dump thousands of fish make up less than 1 percent of all prosecutions compared with recreational fishers, who make up more than 50 percent?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221bb731195c2c40179622ca97fa011e7e\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: It is a little bit hard to get into those numbers, because what the member needs to take into account is that there is a large volume of recreational fishers\u2014I think about 600,000 or so; there could be 7,000 recreational fishers in the Hauraki on any one day\u2014versus about 12,000 vessels fishing in the commercial sector. What we have done is double the number of observers so that we have more transparency in what is happening in the commercial fleet. We have also rolled out cameras, electronic reporting, and vessel monitoring systems in the Snapper 1 area, which is hugely important for recreational, customary, and commercial fishers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cae4517d28444e82bd64c1b8c4e8c501\u0022\u003EKelvin Davis\u003C/span\u003E: If his ministry had actually prosecuted commercial fishermen for illegal fish dumping, how many millions more fish would be available for recreational fishermen?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b73e63411cd4b3ea1665424c7ba6b25\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY\u003C/span\u003E: I have already answered that question in part by saying that there is no evidence that dumping has been a determinant in reducing recreational bag limits, but what I have told the House over the last couple of days is that the Ministry of Fisheries and MPI have been grappling with this issue to do with dumping and discarding for a long period of time. It is not only New Zealand that has been grappling with it; other countries around the world have been grappling with it. I am determined to get on top of this particular issue to do with rolling out electronic monitoring, make the changes that need to be made through the operational review, The Future of our Fisheries, and come into the House and change the law, because it is hugely important that mum, dad, and the kids can go out and catch a fish and that we protect this precious resource for everyone to enjoy in the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002262db80ed68b5460d9c9e061ef5820a93\u0022\u003EKelvin Davis\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f080207680524667bcb7dd3d0e22d19b\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, the number of Labour supplementary questions has been used up for today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227740d1e0fe764d548e22ef69c4a6be23\u0022\u003EPest Control\u2014Predator Free New Zealand 2050, Costs\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022919a8e8d-afaf-4342-ad6f-71cbb6024544\u0022 data-id=\u00221619ceff62e34ec39422c68b2b0060f7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022919a8e8d-afaf-4342-ad6f-71cbb6024544\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221619ceff62e34ec39422c68b2b0060f7\u0022\u003ECLAYTON MITCHELL (NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Conservation: What analysis has been carried out in relation to the costs involved in making New Zealand predator-free by 2050 and maintaining this status?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022 data-id=\u0022de48a92a00004ab884efdfc16a650b5d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022de48a92a00004ab884efdfc16a650b5d\u0022\u003EHon MAGGIE BARRY (Minister of Conservation):\u003C/span\u003E The financial analysis that has underpinned the Government\u2019s initial investment of $28 million over the next 4 years includes setting up a new Crown-owned entity, Predator Free 2050 Ltd, now just weeks away from being launched. We will enable businesses and philanthropists to contribute $2 for every $1 invested by the Government. We have acknowledged from the outset that we do not yet have the technology to meet our goals, so we are investing heavily in scientific research and new technologies and solutions. The Government is also taking a leadership role in setting up large-scale landscape projects, and expects an announcement on one next week.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022919a8e8d-afaf-4342-ad6f-71cbb6024544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022140fcae4885a4560b0b1d5091a97cf02\u0022\u003EClayton Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister aware that in 2013 the then Minister of Conservation, Nick Smith, announced that the 329 hectare Rakat\u016B Island would be rid of rats in 2 to 3 years, but this island is still plagued by rats, despite having $190,000 made available to achieve it; and how does this bode for a 27 million hectare New Zealand project?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4cdba35e51240cf887b1200c3949753\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Either of those two supplementary questions\u2014the Hon Maggie Barry. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e1c6beeb0b3542bfaa5db1ff18b8aed5\u0022\u003EHon MAGGIE BARRY\u003C/span\u003E: The island the member is referring to was due to be dealt with last year but, unfortunately, because of the cyclone, that pest eradication was held up. I would point out that the Department of Conservation is very successful in ridding New Zealand of mammalian and other predators\u2014and weeds, for that matter\u2014and that we have successfully cleared 150 offshore islands, which are predator-free. I would draw the member\u2019s attention to some remarkable technological advances in controlling mammalian predatorship, which we are on top of.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022919a8e8d-afaf-4342-ad6f-71cbb6024544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227445dc97f19d429b9fa8d308d3b88b30\u0022\u003EClayton Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary question, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e1236c3e786448b8996f301668b3887c\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Before I call the member, I would be grateful if the member\u2019s colleagues would then listen to the next answer. Clayton Mitchell.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022919a8e8d-afaf-4342-ad6f-71cbb6024544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d551434bbc1340d4a071adb53f98994b\u0022\u003EClayton Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: If the Government is truly serious about making New Zealand predator-free by 2050, why will it not introduce new legislation under urgency to stop the breeding and selling of rats in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d393da53b171424a92389c2589b8b04e\u0022\u003EHon MAGGIE BARRY\u003C/span\u003E: That member and that party\u2019s capacity to dwell in the minutiae and the fringes amaze me to this day. I would draw attention to a more successful approach, which has been achieved just last month in America, where a company called SenesTech was registered with the US Environmental Protection Agency\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220e295ffd57b74278b8dfb2cedd00cbe6\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The Minister was asked why she did not, under urgency, seek to pass legislation to get rid of rats. She has not answered that, so she should sit down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db796fbf9b4d4eda8604e9d0e3139d93\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! On this occasion, I had difficulty hearing the answer because of the yelling coming from the member\u2019s own colleague. I think, on this occasion, the answer is sufficient and we are moving on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ab2c442d48174ccfa4718698543f6eac\u0022\u003EQuestions to Members\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b936208462dc457ebd06da92dc4f5dfd\u0022\u003EPublic Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill\u2014Purpose\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9dfee4dd2e046339250e9be740651b6\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Member in charge of the Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill: He aha ia i tuhi hukihuki ai i te Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E[Why has she drafted the Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022 data-id=\u00220eb2bc1ef59c4896873131f72cfbd032\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220eb2bc1ef59c4896873131f72cfbd032\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Member in charge of the Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill):\u003C/span\u003E I drafted the bill because I was inspired by Patricia Grace and her wh\u0101nau\u2019s fight to protect their land from confiscation under the Public Works Act for the construction of the K\u0101piti Expressway. It is one of the most recent examples of how the Public Works Act has been used, time and time again, to alienate M\u0101ori from their land, including their historic struggles for Takaparawhau\u2014Bastion Point\u2014and Wh\u0101ingaroa, the Raglan golf course.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e33ece9ccb9042b3a62d247299a51eed\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: He aha ng\u0101 hua m\u014D t\u0113nei pire ki Te Iwi M\u0101ori?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E[What are the benefits of this bill for M\u0101oridom?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226087b287525b4775bd72b0c9f1ec4c3b\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY\u003C/span\u003E: The connection to whenua is fundamental to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc8b7312d0e448ebac70523072e23db9\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Catherine Delahunty.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022adde1dd68e844d9e8bd152e6a08560bf\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I am just too fast, am I not? Connection to whenua is fundamental to M\u0101ori identity, but less than 5 percent of land in Aotearoa is still held in M\u0101ori ownership. It is completely unacceptable that the Public Works Act can still be used, in the 21st century, to confiscate M\u0101ori land. The Crown has a responsibility to protect M\u0101ori land for the benefit of future generations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022cb6c559f936045ee9b06433f38b2ac37\u0022\u003EPublic Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill\u2014Support\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227f12602bd714deab4f12b61822b6303\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Member in charge of the Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill: He aha ng\u0101 whakam\u014Dhio tautoko kua whiwhi i a m\u014D te Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E[What indications of support has she received for the Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022 data-id=\u00228bb90574df104158ad2fe6328a457359\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228bb90574df104158ad2fe6328a457359\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Member in charge of the Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill):\u003C/span\u003E We have received huge support from M\u0101ori across the country for this bill. We took a petition around the motu and received almost 5,000 petition signatures, and at almost every consultation hui for the Government\u2019s Te Ture Whenua M\u0101ori Act reforms, the impact of the Public Works Act on M\u0101ori land was raised. M\u0101ori are calling on Parliament to pass this bill and end compulsory confiscations once and for all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a50c7005ef804caaa5d519f21f102c4e\u0022\u003EMetiria Turei\u003C/span\u003E: Kua whai p\u016Brongo a ia e p\u0101 ana ki te tautoko o \u0113r\u0101 atu p\u0101ti i te pire?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E[Has she received any reports from other parties about supporting the bill?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bbb84e23bb404d628e77c398249ba609\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY\u003C/span\u003E: I am delighted that the M\u0101ori Party and Labour have expressed strong support for my bill. The Government still has the opportunity in the House today to ensure not one more acre of M\u0101ori land is taken without consent. I challenge it to take this opportunity and vote for my bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022359b62b8a3df48e592e0c8734e7b5c79\u0022\u003EGeneral Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226f73166dbe9748b981009d7603f8ed53\u0022\u003EGeneral Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u002295a7f6c6367249469839e5ed3e0b65c2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002295a7f6c6367249469839e5ed3e0b65c2\u0022\u003EANDREW LITTLE (Leader of the Opposition):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the House take note of miscellaneous business. In a spirit of great positivity, can I say that last week New Zealand heard some very positive news. We heard that the economy has grown by 3.5 percent compared with the previous year, and the Government has been at pains to point out that this is one of the strongest levels of economic growth of any developed country across the OECD. So this ought to be a cause for celebration, and in some circumstances it would be. But, of course, if you look at different figures\u2014if you look at the per capita rate of growth\u2014not so much. It is not necessarily so good. And, according to Bill English\u2019s answers in question time today, if you sort of squint your eyes and turn the page up the other way, you will see it trending in a direction, but, actually, not necessarily up. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThere are other numbers that tell a different story about New Zealand. The week before last we saw the numbers from the income survey that told us that, on average, the bottom 20 percent of households in New Zealand now spend more than half their income on housing. We heard that 28 percent of families in New Zealand are spending nearly a third of their income just on housing, either paying a mortgage or paying rent\u2014just having a roof over their heads\u2014and yet the top 20 percent of households by income have seen the proportion of their income going on housing falling, and the average cost to them in terms of proportion of income is just 9 percent. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EWe have a problem in New Zealand, still, of rapidly growing inequality. It is unfair and it is wrong. It is little wonder, then, that we are also home to that very embarrassing statistic in a country of 4\u00BD million of having 42,000 people who are homeless. For far too many New Zealanders, their incomes are simply not keeping up with the real cost of living, and we heard the figure that for the top 10 percent of earners, their income is now nearly 10 times\u201410 times\u2014the income of the bottom 10 percent. Thirty years ago it was just six times that. Housing costs are out of control. The average house in Auckland is now $1 million, and across New Zealand it is $750,000. We have a young generation coming out of further education and training saddled with debt, and it is affecting their life choices and their life chances. We might have a growing economy, but we have something else that has grown at an extraordinary rate, and that is inequality. We can do better. We can be a better New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EYou see, a better New Zealand will make sure that there are affordable houses for all New Zealanders, to buy and to rent. A better New Zealand will pass the laws, work with the developers, work with the councils, and work with iwi to make sure that this can happen. A better New Zealand will make sure that there is a State housing organisation that is about looking after the vulnerable, not about passing on excessive profits to the Government of the day. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EA better New Zealand will make sure that we have a well-supported and fairly funded education system that will give our children the chance of success. A better New Zealand will make sure that every school will have the resources and the means and the leadership to offer our children\u2014all children\u2014the best teaching and learning. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EA better New Zealand will make sure that we have a health system that has healthcare available to all New Zealanders when they need it, and will not discriminate against the elderly, or depending on where you live. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EA better New Zealand will make sure that we have a police force that has the resources and the support to keep our communities safe. A better New Zealand does not have rising burglaries, rising assaults, and rising violence. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EA better New Zealand will go the extra mile for our young people who are presently not in work to make sure they get work, they get training, they get skills, and they get ahead. A better New Zealand will get to work on lifting incomes, and will work with business and with workers and their unions so that they can work together to lift productivity and lift their incomes and live with greater dignity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ELabour stands for that better New Zealand. Labour stands for dignity. Labour stands for a successful future for all New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022 data-id=\u0022d2bd44379b034a3fa41a4fcec006e185\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d2bd44379b034a3fa41a4fcec006e185\u0022\u003EHon BILL ENGLISH (Deputy Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E That speech from Andrew Little just proves that it did not work. The Leader of the Opposition flew off to Canada to get advice from the second-most positive politician in the world, after John Key, and he said: \u201CMr Little, be positive.\u201D He got off the plane, and I thought: \u201COK. I\u2019m sceptical, but I\u2019ll be positive. This might work.\u201D But, as the days have gone on, including today, it turns out that some things just cannot happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EThe Opposition being positive? Well, it is like Andrew Little looking happy\u2014it just cannot happen. Grant Robertson looking industrious? It just cannot happen. The Labour Party coming up with a progressive idea? It just cannot happen. New Zealand First acting rationally? It just cannot happen. So the trip to Canada was a waste of time, and it should not have been because there is so much to be positive about\u2014so much. It is overwhelming, actually, in respect of the economy\u2014an overwhelming amount of evidence that the economy is progressing positively and delivering consistent and moderate benefits to New Zealand households. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EThe growth rate is pretty good. We are third or fourth top in the OECD. Unemployment is at around 5 percent. The Government books are stable and in surplus. Employment growth is stronger than it has been for a while. There is a big turn-around in the number of New Zealanders leaving this country\u2014thousands of them are staying home, when they were leaving in their thousands just a few years ago. Even in the dairy industry commodity prices are picking up. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EBut, of course, from the Opposition\u2019s point of view this is not how it was meant to be. We had the manufacturing crisis, the cost of living crisis, the jobs crisis, and the post-earthquake crisis, when the economy was meant to fall in a hole after the earthquake. But my favourite is the dairy crisis, because we have had two crises with the dairy industry: first, that it was going too well, and then that it was going badly. They were both a crisis. And, of course, what we know in this House is that as soon as the Opposition says it is a crisis, it starts going really well. That is what happens every time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EWhat did those members do to be positive? Grant Robertson and Andrew Little both stuck to their jobs. Andrew Little went to every poll he could to try to find the negative one, and he did, on his desk\u2014the poll he had done himself. That was the end of being positive about Government in New Zealand. Grant Robertson, surprisingly, I have to say\u2014and I am positive about this\u2014went through 22 pages of economic data. That is probably more this week than in the previous number of years he has been the spokesman\u201422 pages. He found a negative number, one-quarter of real disposable income after tax for one quarter, and he said: \u201CThat\u2019s negative.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003EIf Justin Trudeau was ever interested in whether anyone ever listens to him, then he should ask the New Zealand Labour Party, because it did not. And that is Labour\u2019s problem. It is fundamentally out of kilter with the aspiration and confidence of New Zealand. It is running the best arguments out of 1996 about the economy. But it has changed: it is better. It is different. It is strong. It is forward-looking. It is aspirational. It is delivering the ability to solve a whole range of problems, from Treaty settlements through to how we get more effective public services. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bb158206-360b-4757-8d72-f7d0994e1fb3\u0022\u003ELabour\u2019s positive phase is over. It lasted from the door of the airplane to when Andrew Little got through customs, and that was it. Now it is back to the same old grinding negativity, although you must say the Leader of the Opposition is well adapted to that task, and I am sure he is going to stick to it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022 data-id=\u0022d007567b3d9e4da5ad06ddd4c98e2312\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d007567b3d9e4da5ad06ddd4c98e2312\u0022\u003EHon TE URUROA FLAVELL (Co-Leader\u2014M\u0101ori Party):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. Kia ora t\u0101tou katoa. It is with a bit of a heavy heart that I take a call today. I have a heavy heart because\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022919a8e8d-afaf-4342-ad6f-71cbb6024544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257eafab25b114cc18c11b4f7d2c4218d\u0022\u003EClayton Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: Here we go\u2014here we go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee23b6c272604d4abe690c4e80927982\u0022\u003EHon TE URUROA FLAVELL\u003C/span\u003E: You know what is coming, eh, boys? You know what is coming. I thought that tomorrow was going to be a good day. Four iwi tribal nations were going to come to this Parliament and be hugely grateful because the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations was going to deliver some goodies for them to allow them to go into the future. I come here with a heavy heart, because I know many of those people. I know many of those people in Taranaki who are waiting for tomorrow\u2014actually, not just tomorrow, but for Friday. Actually, I have pretty much never been here on a Friday because we go and do business out in the community. What happened was New Zealand First pulled the plug. It pulled the plug on M\u0101oridom\u2014it pulled the plug on M\u0101oridom. Let us have a look at it: 2 weeks ago all parties in this House agreed at the Business Committee that five\u2014five\u2014settlement bills would be brought to this House this Friday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022296361137bb340a2abcd43330efb7174\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: So what?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f2ab296d4c64354a45e89bbeeb9996b\u0022\u003EHon TE URUROA FLAVELL\u003C/span\u003E: So what? So what? New Zealand First pulled the plug on it. It pulled the plug on M\u0101oridom to allow them\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022919a8e8d-afaf-4342-ad6f-71cbb6024544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022399dbc9ee30d4c83bef9c6a9fa6742e1\u0022\u003EClayton Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I would just like to clarify for the House\u2019s record that we have not pulled the plug. This is nothing to do with New Zealand First\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022642fb948066044c196ca479d670e3e1f\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That is not a point of order. If the member uses a point of order like that again simply to break a speech, I will deal with it very severely.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db468c1760f14d3891dda4bc53ffbbd9\u0022\u003EHon TE URUROA FLAVELL\u003C/span\u003E: Ng\u0101ruahine from Taranaki, Te Atiawa from Taranaki, my in-laws Taranaki iwi, Rangit\u0101ne o Manawatu, Ng\u0101tikahu ki Whangaroa\u2014today they are hugely brassed off. Why? Because over 400 people were coming to Wellington from the Far North, from Taranaki, and from Manawat\u016B. Why? It was because they wanted their day in the sun. Te Atiawa has been waiting for 30 years to come to this Parliament. I was there. I met the people. I know their pain, unlike some of this lot\u2014unlike some of this lot. So it is a huge disappointment that they have been let down, and they should never trust New Zealand First to back them\u2014never trust them at all. Hundreds of people made arrangements to come to this House. They paid out of their own pockets. They organised their own transport and accommodation for 2 days. And you know what? They are going to have to pay for it, because it has all gone down the gurgler. Why? Because New Zealand First found some sort of technicality to decide that it was going to pull the plug on M\u0101oridom.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EIt could have done a number of things\u2014it could have done a number of things. It could have raised issues at the agreement in principle phase. It could have raised issues before the deed of settlement. It could have raised issues in the select committee process. It could have had a Supplementary Order Paper. And, of course, it could have gone back to the iwi. It could have done all that long before yesterday. Oh, but no, no, no, no\u2014\u201CWe\u2019ll do it 2 days in advance. That is plenty of time for 200-plus people who were coming from throughout the country to cancel their planes.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EI say that one party in this House should be absolutely ashamed of itself today for what it has done to our people, who have so many dreams and aspirations that they want to realise. But it is all held up because it is as if one party has said: \u201COh, we\u2019re changing the rules of Parliament.\u201D I do not think so\u2014I do not think so. [Interruption] We are playing with the rules? There is only one party that is playing with the rules, and it is called New Zealand First. Why? I will tell you why: because it talks about this vote. It talks about a party vote. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EActually, pretty much most of us were going to go out and do the community stuff that we are all asked to do, including\u2014oh, maybe not New Zealand First. But, anyway, the rest of us work, and it is common protocol to follow the course of action that is set out. But for one reason\u2014and Taranaki and Manawat\u016B have not been told yet by New Zealand First why\u2014it pulled the plug. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003ESo, just to help us, I will just take one quote. Here is a quote\u2014this is from Peter Moeahu\u2014\u201CI attended M\u0101ori Affairs select committee hearings where submissions were heard, all of them in favour of the bill reading. Their member sat through the select committee process and at that time said there were no problems at all. We can have no idea as to why they called late information, or where this came from. Frankly, we are very disappointed and disgusted at New Zealand First for what they\u2019ve done.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EMy message is this to Te Ao M\u0101ori: Te Ao M\u0101ori, kia t\u016Bpato ki t\u0113nei ng\u0101ngara! [M\u0101oridom, be careful with this creepy-crawly!]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u0022b5b787e2b0634616b4d45bcd21d48a7a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b5b787e2b0634616b4d45bcd21d48a7a\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022daef64666f4443298480984e0fa2776d\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I am just waiting for silence, and then I will hear the point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225ca561173b324fea9745bbffb0df71a7\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: That member, Te Ururoa Flavell, is digging such a big hole, I seek leave for the House to give him extended time. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022 data-id=\u0022542cb2546bf945708314c53b76aca39a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022542cb2546bf945708314c53b76aca39a\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will resume his seat. The time for his speech has finished, and the member cannot seek leave on behalf of another member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022 data-id=\u00227246bcdf8dea4c489a34c233e3d99993\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227246bcdf8dea4c489a34c233e3d99993\u0022\u003EHon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Economic Development):\u003C/span\u003E I want to rise, firstly, and support Te Ururoa Flavell because he is one member of this House who supports and promotes regional economic development, in deed as well as word. Unlike one or two other members of this House who talk a lot about regional economic development and do less than diddly-squat\u2014less than diddly-squat\u2014for regional economic development, Te Ururoa Flavell is out there every day working for New Zealanders in regional parts of the country, and encouraging them to have aspirations for themselves and their families. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003EThis Friday was to be another step forward for some of those regions, and the weasel-worders of New Zealand First have ankle tapped that aspiration for regional New Zealand. Regional New Zealanders will recognise that. They will recognise the level of contempt for their time, for their money, and for their efforts to come to this city and be aspirational for their futures. They will not forget that this Friday. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003EThis country is growing strongly. It is growing strongly, not on the efforts of clowns like the Rt Hon Winston Peters, but on the efforts of hard-working New Zealanders in regional New Zealand\u2014people whom the Labour Party was laughing at today on the West Coast; people whom the Labour Party was treating with derision today for their aspiration to grow their region and for their aspiration and their coming together with central government yesterday to create a positive plan for the growth of their region. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003EUp and down this country, people in small, medium, and large companies\u2014not Governments and not politicians; small, medium, and large companies\u2014are the people who have grown this economy 3.6 percent over the last year. It is small, medium, and large New Zealand companies that are hiring the people who have seen 325,000 more jobs in this economy since the height of the global financial crisis. It is small, medium, and large companies that are building the biggest building boom that New Zealand has ever seen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003EThe Labour Party might like to sit over there and deny all of that because it is the progenitor of post-truth politics. It does not want to believe the evidence at all, because Grant Robertson, when he runs around talking about post-truth politics, is talking about himself. That is a denial of what hard-working New Zealanders are doing every day to get this country running, to get jobs growing, and to provide people with aspiration and opportunity and wages so they can lift themselves up out of the challenging circumstances that some find themselves in. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003EAs a result, we have the lowest level of youth\u201415 to 19-year-olds\u2014out of work, education, and training that we have ever had, but not according to the Opposition. Again, that is not the politicians\u2019 actual work; that is because this Government has worked hard to get it to a point where those things can happen. Across the other side of the House, members are in denial. They are in such denial that they are even denying the polls of New Zealanders. So they are not just denying the businesses; they are denying the attitudes of New Zealanders who are recognising what this country is doing to succeed in every region of this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a244152-977c-48d2-bf53-4f3a369a27a9\u0022\u003EThis week we have seen New Zealand First show the most contempt\u2014the most contempt\u2014for the people of regional New Zealand by getting them to book tickets to come to this city to celebrate their Treaty settlements, and Winston Peters has given them what is known up my way as a two-fingered salute and said: \u201CIt\u2019s all about me. It\u2019s not about you. It\u2019s not about your aspirations, your young people, and your futures.\u201D That is the selfishness that is New Zealand First.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022 data-id=\u002235d2284cbcb64f59b311e8fb850b2928\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002235d2284cbcb64f59b311e8fb850b2928\u0022\u003EGARETH HUGHES (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Speaker. Ng\u0101 mihi nui ki a koutou, kia ora. I would like to start by paying tribute to my departing colleague, Kevin Hague. Last night, in his final speech, he talked about the worthy issues that have, unfortunately, been ignored by this Government over the last 8 years, and the frustration of the partisan political response. We have watched this lot this season\u2014for eight seasons\u2014and I want, in this contribution, to ask what the Government\u2019s story is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EI agree with Kevin\u2019s sentiment. It has been a Government that has taken only a token response to the tough questions. It has been a \u201Cbare minimum\u201D Government. You only have to look at the announcement it has made to look into it. Take \u201C50 by 50\u201D, which is its greenhouse gas target. It is a snappy slogan, sure\u2014never mind the science\u2014but the fact is that all its Government policies are actually around increasing emissions and pollution, not reducing it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003ETake the policy for a pest-free Aotearoa by 2050\u2014great. It is pretty hard to find anyone in this country who is opposed to that, but then the Government does not fund it to meet the target, and members go off and have photo ops with a bunch of kiwis. Take electric vehicles\u2014another area where it is great to see intention. It is an area where we have got an issue that takes more dollars and sense than almost anywhere else on the planet. However, Simon Bridges decides to set a target that is less than his officials\u2019 do-nothing scenario, and then he does nothing. Simon Bridges has launched that one eight times. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EThe Government has set so many empty targets across the 8 years, you have got to wonder: does National actually have internal key performance indicators, internal meetings, to come up with setting those empty targets? It is Government by meme, Government by slogan, Government by focus group. It is a Government that cares more about looking like acting than actually acting. You have got to give its members credit though: they are pretty good performance actors. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EIt is damaging, because the country faces huge challenges and we need action, not a bunch of actors. Instead, when we do get the substance, what we see is the Government selling things off or passing them on to its corporate mates. It sold our power companies and it is selling our farms. It sold out on the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement. It sold out on charter schools, and, in the midst of a housing crisis, it is selling out the State houses. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EOnce upon a time, there was a great Prime Minister in this country who was immortalised carrying in the dining table to help a family move into their first State house. In contrast, Key, who grew up in a State house\u2014the supposed character from central casting\u2014is the one putting a \u201CFor Sale\u201D sign out front. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EThere is something important I want to touch on: Key is the Government\u2019s best actor out of that lot. He is going to contest the next election, but I want to ask: will he continue the role if, by chance, he scrapes through on another one-seat majority into a fifth term? I doubt he is going to continue in that role. So the question for voters is: who is going to be picking the next Prime Minister? Is it going to be the bunch over there\u2014the extras on the backbench? We have seen it in Australia in 2010, 2013, and 2015. We saw it in Britain this year. Who is going to be picking the next Prime Minister? Is it going to be the National backbench extras or the people of New Zealand directly? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EThe Government\u2019s plan, of course, is to ignore the pressing issues, ignore unswimmable rivers, ignore inequality, and ignore homelessness. It must be hard writing a script to avoid the issues every week, but, luckily, Nuk Korako\u2014he stepped up with an adventure story of how to rescue bags from airports. In his legislative cameo, Matt Doocey is taking up parliamentary time with a story about how we can email instead of writing letters to shareholders to see whether they want a hard copy of the form. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EBut what we know is that we sometimes see the incompetence behind the bad acting. Take Nick Smith. This guy has got the reverse Midas touch\u2014everything he touches turns to dust. He announced grand plans to release land, but forgot to mention he was talking about cemeteries and substations. There are measures, there are policies, there are initiatives, but there are not houses being built. This is the Minister who took something that the vast majority of New Zealanders support, including many iwi\u2014the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary\u2014and somehow managed to turn it into a Treaty of Waitangi breach and a threat to Government stability. Can I suggest, as he considers retirement, that he considers\u2014and I, please, ask this\u2014a position in the coaching team for the Wallabies?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EThen we have got the invisible Minister for Women doing her worst impersonation of an out-of-date stereotype, which is to be seen but not heard. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EIt is time for New Zealand to have a conversation about not acting, but action. It is time for solutions, it is time for a positive vision, and it is time for less of this focus on treating New Zealanders as viewers. It is time to treat New Zealanders as informed citizens, give them the information, show the leadership, and take the tough calls. It is time for a new chapter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022 data-id=\u002282d72a6afaf247b1a29c0bc253bc2c2b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002282d72a6afaf247b1a29c0bc253bc2c2b\u0022\u003EHon JO GOODHEW (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector):\u003C/span\u003E As we are here in the debating chamber this afternoon, there are unlikely to be a lot of New Zealanders watching us, but for those who are, they might be\u2014[Interruption] An extra 250,000 New Zealanders are not watching us because they are in work now. But let us think about the demeanour of the parties in the Parliament at the moment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003EOn this side of the House, we could throw a party\u2014and I will talk a little bit more about why soon. But, in the meantime, let us just examine what is happening on the other side of the House. Disappointment reigns in Labour\u2014disappointment because the money it expended, or, rather, the taxpayers of New Zealand expended, sending its leader off to Canada so that he could transform from \u201CAngry Andy\u201D to \u201CSunshine Sandy\u201D did not work. No, it did not work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003EThen, I have to say that the Green Party must be feeling disappointed on two counts. I, first, want to acknowledge Kevin Hague and his work while he has been in this House. There must be disappointment to lose talent like this, because Kevin has worked creatively and positively with many other members of this House. That has been acknowledged here this week, and I too want to acknowledge him\u2014you will be missed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003EBut there is also disappointment that the Greens\u2019 potential partners\u2014if and when the people of New Zealand ever think they are worthy of the Government\u2019s Treasury benches\u2014are unbelievably disorganised, so much so that any possibility that New Zealand First members might appeal to M\u0101oridom to vote for them, for whatever reason, is out the window, down the drain. How horribly embarrassing for the position that New Zealand First now finds itself in. Think about how much it cost those 400 people to book their flights, to book their accommodation\u2014but no, New Zealand First does not care. The outrage from the M\u0101ori Party is absolutely as it should be, on behalf of the people who will be missing out. [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f5478f5471d04e1582e45b99c21a9bf0\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! We are now getting to the stage where I cannot hear the speaker. The main interjector is Darroch Ball. If he continues to interject through the general debate, I will be asking him to leave.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227660f359c0b746839cce65d3812f0214\u0022\u003EHon JO GOODHEW\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you for the opportunity to continue, because it is time to talk about why we might party. There are lots of reasons why we might party, but we are not going to because there is still a hang of a lot of work to do. The reason we might party is that New Zealand is growing the third-fastest in the OECD\u20143.6 percent for the last year. It is the envy of so many other nations, but there is a lot more to be done. We are getting on with the work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003EI want to talk about the unemployment rate in Canterbury. Actually, it is a little worrying because it is now down from 4 percent 2 years ago to 3.2 percent, and we are crying out for people to fill the jobs. On a recent visit to my electorate of Rangitata, Steven Joyce discovered that Industrial Controls, a tech company, is going gangbusters and could easily take on 20 more people in the next 2 years, but those people are quite hard to find. We have got good accommodation for them\u2014affordable accommodation for them\u2014great schools, and a fabulous community to live in, but unemployment is quite low. We would love the people from the rest of New Zealand who need those jobs to come and live in the Rangitata electorate. So that is good news. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003EWe have got real wages\u2014that is, wages adjusted for inflation; not pretend wages\u2014growing at 1.4 percent per annum. That is 50 percent faster than it was under Labour\u2014a fact it is not particularly interested in. The real families of the Rangitata electorate want to know they have got a job, they want to know that their wages are growing, and they want to know that their mortgages are going to stay, hopefully, really, really low, in the way they have been. That has been such a bonus for them making ends meet. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002260200136-9d63-4a82-b4f5-c00411adb1fd\u0022\u003EThe people of New Zealand are out there saying: \u201CGovernment, you\u2019ve still got some work to do.\u201D We know that. We understand that, and we have plans for many, many more initiatives that will tackle some of the really hard stuff that the Opposition would rather talk about than come up with plans about. So it is all talk, no plans, terribly negative\u2014embarrassed over there, and ashamed over there. It is positive over here, but no time to party just yet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022455b2577c6fd4bfcbb6037804220bb48\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022455b2577c6fd4bfcbb6037804220bb48\u0022\u003EGRANT ROBERTSON (Labour\u2014Wellington Central):\u003C/span\u003E Yesterday I was back in my old home town of Dunedin, and as I walked along the streets and saw the familiar landmarks, the wonderful historic heritage, and the haunts of my youth, I thought about how fortunate I am to have grown up in that city and, indeed, in this country, blessed as we are with incredible natural resources, talented and creative people, and a solid foundation laid by previous generations. As a boy from South Dunedin, I benefited from New Zealand at its best, growing up in a home that was purchased from capitalising the family benefit, going to fantastic local schools with kids of all backgrounds, and enjoying the coastal environment, in the hope that my life would be better in the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EI got to thinking yesterday about the kids growing up in South Dunedin or South Auckland or south Waikato, and I thought to myself: \u201CAre we giving them the chances offered by New Zealand at its best?\u201D. Sadly, the answer, with the Government we have today, is that we are not. New Zealand at its best means that no matter who you are or where you are from, it is your talent and hard work that will define your success, but at the moment in this country, we seem to have delinked those things. Who you know is more important than what you know under this Government\u2014the Koru Club economy, where whom John Key or Steven Joyce meet at the buffet matters most, rather than what they are providing in terms of productivity for New Zealand; where commercial fishers seem to get away with it and recreational fishers do not; and where Saudi sheep farms are the priority, not New Zealanders working hard. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003ENew Zealand is at its best when we stand up for the marginalised or for those who are left out, and not when we have a Government that makes excuses or will not measure a problem to know whether it even exists, and not when we have a country where 10,000 extra young people in the last year were left living with too few pairs of shoes or without a good bed to sleep in. We are at our best when we offer every New Zealander a fair share in prosperity. We have seen growth numbers this week, but they hide what is really happening. Disposable income is falling. The poorest New Zealanders are shouldering the burden of the housing crisis, with half of the bottom 20 percent of income earners paying 50 percent of their income in housing costs. Forty thousand New Zealanders are homeless. Wages are stagnant. That is not New Zealand at its best. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EWe are at our best when we celebrate success and prosperity and we all do and pay our fair share, when we do not give a free pass to those who fail to do this, and when the Prime Minister does not stand up and say: \u201CIf you\u2019re worth more than $50 million but you\u2019re claiming to earn only $70,000, it\u2019s OK because you pay a lot of GST.\u201D That is what John Key said. Hard-working New Zealanders pay a lot of GST, and they pay their way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EAnd New Zealand is at its best when we offer to every young New Zealander the opportunity to grow up in a safe, warm, and secure home, with a world-class education at their local school and with their parents safe in the knowledge that if they get sick, they will be looked after. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EWe have built this hopeful sense of opportunity on the efforts of past generations, who have been dedicated to the idea that the next generation should be better off than them. But we are facing the very real prospect that the next generation will be the first to be worse off than the one that preceded it\u2014high levels of student debt, insecure work, and some of the lowest levels of homeownership that we have ever seen. New Zealand is at its best when people work hard, do the right things in their communities, and know that there is a Government that will back them, and not be a disinterested bystander stuck in an ideological rut like this Government is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003ELabour wants New Zealand to be at its best again. That is why we are focusing on building opportunity for a good life\u2014wherever you live in New Zealand\u2014supporting high-wage industries and jobs, supporting strong regions, and giving people more hope and opportunity through policies like 3 years\u2019 free education post-school or training, restoring health funding, fixing the homelessness crisis, and giving New Zealanders the chance of the security of homeownership. When I was in Dunedin yesterday I was talking about the future of work. That is what Labour is focused on\u2014building an adaptable, resilient, and inclusive economy where people can have good jobs and high wages into the future. That is New Zealand at its best, and with a Labour Government, New Zealand will be at its best.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022 data-id=\u002295cba3b2092840c58a98ba5e8e9d991f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002295cba3b2092840c58a98ba5e8e9d991f\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT (National\u2014Hamilton East):\u003C/span\u003E It will come as no surprise that there is one party that should not be in this Parliament, and that is the New Zealand First Party. I have said it for years. It should not be here, and its members should never be allowed in this Parliament because they do not represent what is important for New Zealand. They are deliberately using the system just to promote their personal interests and get their own gain out of it. That is all they do. That is all the New Zealand First Party members ever do. That is all they do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EWe can see it with the Treaty settlements that were supposed to be here on Friday. We heard a great speech from the M\u0101ori Party leader, who was telling us about\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f987cfa65c4c4cc9a6ce35b2798ac967\u0022\u003ERon Mark\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s his name?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ea61f72245f42d9a5af90c0cd403dca\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: It is Te Ururoa Flavell. He told us what you, Ron Mark, need to know, and that is that Ron Mark deliberately broke that process down, the process that would have actually enabled settlement for people who have been waiting for 30 years to have their day in this Parliament\u201430 years. Mr Winston Peters has been in Parliament for that long. He has been in Parliament for 30 years and could not give other people their day. He could not come into this Parliament and make a decision and help them out. This is something that had been agreed on by the whole Parliament. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EThis is not something new. This is something that the New Zealand First Party just tried to make political capital out of. That is what the New Zealand First Party is about. Its members have been doing it for years. Every time we talk about migration, they make political capital out of other people. It is the fear factor. Taking advantage of other people\u2014that is what that party stands for. Those members cannot, and should not, be in this Parliament. We should not give them the time of day. But people need to know what they actually stand for. People need to know what New Zealand First actually means. New Zealand First members never vote for anything in this Parliament. They never do anything in this Parliament. They are just here, clipping the ticket, and watching. That is all the New Zealand First Party has ever done. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003ELook at them all sitting there. None of them have done anything. What have they ever done for their electorates? They have got no electorates, so they cannot do anything. What have they ever done for New Zealand as a whole? Name one piece of legislation New Zealand First has put up in this Parliament that has helped New Zealanders\u2014name one. Name one piece of legislation that has actually gone through and helped New Zealanders. You cannot name one. Name one piece of infrastructure that they have provided for New Zealanders. You cannot name one. It is impossible to name one because they have done nothing. Thirty years in this Parliament, and what is the response? Nothing. They have done nothing but create fear, create anger, create disappointment, and let people down. That is all the New Zealand First Party will ever be known for. That is all that its members will ever have done. They are a disgrace to Parliament, and we all know that in here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EThe people who would have come here on Friday, who have given years of their lives to see this\u2014that will not actually happen because the New Zealand First Party members deliberately destroyed that process. They deliberately destroyed it for their own gain. They will not win out of this\u2014the New Zealand public are not that silly. The New Zealand public will see through salesmen like that\u2014shoddy salesmen who are trundling the old goods that they have been trundling for 30 years. The New Zealand public will see through this\u2014they will see through this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EWe do not need the Donald Trumps of the world in this Parliament. We need people who are actually going to build a country, who are going to respect all people in this country, who will respect people who come from different countries and make New Zealand their home, who will respect the people of New Zealand who come here with legitimate grievances, looking to this Parliament to sort them out, and who will respect our country going forward. New Zealand First members will do none of those things. They never have, and they never will. Name one of the things that they have ever done to help New Zealanders. We would love to hear that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220e5843fbe2374215b4edf72f648f89f4\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Work for the Dole.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002232b91fa7f4084b9b9b17aef84edc3cdc\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, Work for the Dole\u2014these guys here are all on the dole. They are all on the dole. They are all sitting there, and they are sitting there only as long as they vote for Winston when he tells them to. Even better than that, not only do they have to vote for Winston but Darroch Ball has to get Winston to write his questions for him. He has to get him to write his questions. They cannot even write their own questions\u2014Winston writes their questions. They all vote for Winston.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022da1b2118fc28459fa28698a922e3c423\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. We are prepared to take that sort of address\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c2dfb399b243413cb998ccc54ba24d4e\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can I have the point of order, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022daeb13219c2849299152b270ed677b6d\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014but the point is that you cannot mention a member by their first name.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aaae2ff1e42f4d0fadceba95c78dd3a5\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I agree. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022253930d881494477bf56802fd8a3ff47\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: And that is not the least\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229333555607b542c69d7658cd8eee8245\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I need no more. On this occasion the Rt Hon Winston Peters is absolutely right. We are not going to have this Parliament reverting to members referring to other members simply by their Christian names. Mr Bennett should refer to Mr Peters either as Mr Peters or as Winston Peters. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022793f54ff314a4b16afffc57ded93b08a\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: Or \u201CWhatever\u201D\u2014\u201CWhoever.\u201D Sometimes I wonder whether he actually still exists, or whether they just trundle him out every 3 years, bring him out, and put him on a campaign slogan. I remember this campaign slogan from the last election: \u201CIt\u2019s Common Sense! \u2026 Join this historical campaign and stand up for the values that make our country great.\u201D The values\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022 data-id=\u00229720c37b3b624de496d775940aadcaf2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229720c37b3b624de496d775940aadcaf2\u0022\u003EMr SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s time has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022 data-id=\u0022a27dbb6f8d514706bc4d2d01cf5b2273\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a27dbb6f8d514706bc4d2d01cf5b2273\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON (Labour\u2014Port Hills):\u003C/span\u003E I do not know whether the member who has just resumed his seat is aware of this, but we have microphones in front of us and there is a sound system throughout the whole building. There is no need to yell, Mr Bennett. In fact, if your microphone was off, I would still be able to hear you too much, to be honest. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EThe arrogance of that member, who thinks that he can come into this Parliament and dictate which other parties are represented\u2014it is called a general election, and enough people voted for New Zealand First that it is entitled to be here. All of us imagine how it would be if everyone else voted the same way as we wanted them to, but that is not democracy. We have a healthy democracy in New Zealand, and we end up with people in National, ACT, United Future, the Greens, New Zealand First, and the M\u0101ori Party. Not all of us like it, but it makes for a healthy democracy. So put away the arrogance, Mr Bennett, and think about what people outside in the real world actually voted for. To have a lecture on racism and race relations from that member, whose party paid for billboards that said \u201CIwi/Kiwi\u201D\u2014that is taking arrogance to a new level. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EI think an increasing number of people are saddened by what they know and understand and see as growing inequality in our country. That is what we have seen every year for the last 8 years. For many New Zealanders, the dream that I grew up with, the Kiwi Dream of being able to have a good education, get a job that pays properly, work hard and save, and be able to buy a home of your own\u2014that Kiwi Dream that I thought everyone would be able to grow up with is just slipping away, because over the last 8 years house prices have gone up at a crazy level. There has been an over 62 percent increase in average house prices in New Zealand over the last 8 years. We know it is even worse in Auckland. You would have to save for years to have a deposit on the front doorstep of an Auckland home now. The average price is over a million dollars. Other than high-income earners, which we all are in this House, how many do we know who would just be able to get a job, work hard, save hard, and have a deposit on a $1 million home in Auckland? How many? I am asking the National Government members. How many average people in your electorates do you know who would be able to do that\u2014get a job, work hard, save hard, and put a deposit on a house in Auckland for $1 million? A lot of people now just have that Kiwi Dream slipping away from them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EWe know that the gap between those who have and those who have not is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Is that because people on low incomes are lazy, as Bill English would point out? I do not agree with him. I know many people on low incomes who work a lot harder than many members of this House, and we are on very high incomes. We have a privileged position in this House, but it does not mean that we should be patronising and dismissive of people who are on low incomes and who work as hard as they possibly can. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EIf you look at every income group in New Zealand, for the lowest two income groups particularly\u2014the people who earn less than most other people in New Zealand\u2014every year the percentage of people in those two income brackets who pay more than a third of their income on housing costs has gone up. So every year for the last 8 years, the percentage of people on the lowest incomes who pay more than a third of their income on housing costs has gone up, and, at the very same time over those 8 years, the percentage of the top bracket\u2014the top 20 percent of income earners\u2014who pay more than a third of their income on housing needs has gone down. So the highest-income earners pay less as a percentage of their income on housing while the two lowest income brackets pay more. How is that fair? That is on Minister Anne Tolley\u2019s department\u2019s own figures. Official Government figures say that the highest-income earners pay less and the lowest-income earners pay more. I do not think that is fair at all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EGrowing inequality in our country is just wrong. In my view, and in Labour\u2019s view, every single member of a New Zealand society and community should have a chance\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00224bdfa3cf351d46869bfaf1bf319bb65d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224bdfa3cf351d46869bfaf1bf319bb65d\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Barbara Kuriger\u2014I would have called the member earlier if she had called loudly. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00220981665b590343648203fc4fc6c3400e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220981665b590343648203fc4fc6c3400e\u0022\u003EBARBARA KURIGER (National\u2014Taranaki - King Country):\u003C/span\u003E It is a week of highs and lows, and to get up in the morning for the last few dairy auctions and find that the price is gradually starting to change\u2014the 50c announcement in the forecast from Fonterra recently was absolutely brilliant for our farmers. Today, to wake up again\u2014I am actually starting to look forward to waking up every fortnight, on a Wednesday morning, and seeing things gradually starting to change. It goes with a word of caution, though, because there is quite an amount of debt that has accrued over the last 2 or 3 years, so there is still caution in place because there is a lot of debt to be paid back. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EWhat has disappointed me over the last 2 or 3 years is that everything in the economy has been going particularly well for many of our primary industries, but, unfortunately, the cream on the top, which has been dairy, has been missing. I look forward to that cream on the top coming back again and our dairy farmers starting to smile. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the people from the rural support trust who have been out there helping over that time to keep people afloat, not only financially but in terms of the care and attention needed when people are under pressure. So that is a high. The low has been that I was looking forward to Friday of this week because the iwi of Taranaki, Te Atiawa, and Ng\u0101ruahine were really looking forward to coming here. We have got 3.6 percent growth in this country, and we have got iwi here that are looking forward to partaking in this growth. They actually have a vision, they have a future, and I know that they were looking forward to coming down here on Friday. I am going to be here on Friday\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208ffc4bd932442b9b9e0394fa0bb1a2c\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will resume her seat. It is not so much the volume of the barracking, but the nature of it. I will assure members that I did not have leave, and they are to cease asking me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c0a8dc11636145cc8acc607c29afd2a7\u0022\u003EBARBARA KURIGER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. So, yes, in answer to your questions, I will be here on Friday, but, unfortunately, I am not going to be doing what I thought we were going to be doing on Friday, and I am deeply disappointed for our local iwi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EOn a more positive note, I want to talk about last week. I was at a Careers and Transition Education Association seminar in Taranaki with local schoolteachers, looking at how we transition our young people from school and into work. If there is one thing that provincial New Zealand really needs, it is more skilled people. No one can ever tell me that there are no jobs in provincial New Zealand, because I go out there every day and I talk to employers, and not only do they want farm workers, but they want truck drivers, they want plumbers, and they want electricians. I commend these teachers and these people who are actually transitioning process\u2014the three in two in schools. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EWe have actually given $14.4 million in Budget 2016 for another 5,500 apprenticeships by 2020, and that has been allocated. If there is one thing that rural New Zealand needs in spades, it is skilled people, because now we have actually got out there, we are getting the roading infrastructure, we are getting the broadband, we are getting all the technology\u2014young people will come and live in provincial New Zealand if they can pull their cellphones out of their pockets, if they can connect online. Other people will come, and are coming. We are seeing them coming and living in the parts of the world that we represent. They can come and live there, and they can now do business because the infrastructure is right there for them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EThe other thing is, with roading\u2014I have seen the commitment in my electorate. I have just had Minister Bridges out, opening the first safety road in his $600 million Safer Roads and Roadsides Programme\u2014State Highway 37. It goes out to Waitomo. It is integral to tourism. Tourism is another thing that is growing, particularly in provincial New Zealand. I see it all the time. We have got a $1.2 million grant going into 80 beds in the middle of the Pureora Timber Trail. Most people do it over 2 days, it is 85 kilometres\u2014we have needed that accommodation. We get people to come here, and we get people to stay here longer. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EI am really proud to represent Taranaki - King Country and have this extra money going into roading, tourism\u2014all of the things that we aspire to as a Government. We are the third-fastest growing economy in the OECD, and I am very proud to be part of this National Government. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u0022f50dc59f542d4542b0d9ffe76f499954\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f50dc59f542d4542b0d9ffe76f499954\u0022\u003ERON MARK (Deputy Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E What a load of absolute drivel this House has been subjected to over the last 40-odd minutes. All of the assertions coming from Te Ururoa Flavell and from the Government members about what New Zealand First did or did not say would all be disproven quite easily if I tabled my phone and the records that are contained in it. So let us be clear: the National Government and its cling-ons have the numbers to vote to go into urgency or extended hours on any day, at any time that they like, whether or not it suits us. They have the numbers. The National Government and its cling-ons have the numbers to pass the Treaty settlement bills without New Zealand First\u2019s 12 votes. Between them, they have 64 votes, plus Labour in support. They do not need us\u2014they can do what they like.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThe third point is that if these bills were so important to National, it would have had its full muster of MPs and Ministers in the House for Thursday and Friday, it would have moved extended hours as it had planned, and it would have had the debate, had the vote, and passed the bills. Here is the fourth point: if it knew so many iwi were coming to the House to attend those hearings, why did it not stick to its game plan and carry on? Well, we know why, because the email trail proves it: it had all these leave applications, and it wanted people to go off on leave. Well, that is not our issue. If the Government finds the Treaty settlement bills so important, then why is the entire Government not here to see them through and to join in the celebrations with iwi? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EHere is another point: a couple of press releases have come out from the drama queens\u2014Gerry Brownlee, Chris Finlayson\u2014and were supported by that gangsta lookalike Marama Fox on TV last night. What did they say? They accused\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281df8d71659c4a088f1851e2c8b7ca2e\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member has referred to a member in a way that is inappropriate. I am warning him to not do it again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d4da826b6ee34fe18fb45299873e35c1\u0022\u003ERON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: So what they do is they then\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba4db8903e5f42729083539dddb9d72e\u0022\u003EHon Anne Tolley\u003C/span\u003E: You always go too far. Why do you always go too far?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e7a2fa85cf14a89907305ddd0600401\u0022\u003ERON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, blah-blah-blah, Miss Anne Tolley\u2014there she goes. So they have said a number of things in press releases that are just simply inaccurate. The last one that came out from Gerry Brownlee said on the first page: \u201COn Monday this week, Mr Brownlee spoke to Mr Mark, who confirmed his party\u2019s ongoing support for the bills.\u201D Correct\u2014he did, and we did say that\u2014and then we said we would support a voice vote. He continued: \u201COn Tuesday morning, Mr Mark phoned back to say New Zealand First was not going to support two of the settlement bills\u201D\u2014correct\u2014\u201Cand, therefore, could not support the voice vote only proposal for Friday.\u201D That is absolutely incorrect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI will read the transcript of that phone call: Gerry\u2014Brownlee, that is\u2014\u201CHello, Ron.\u201D Ron\u2014Mark, that is\u2014\u201CGerry, how are you, man?\u201D. Gerry Brownlee: \u201CGood.\u201D Ron: \u201CI needed to call you immediately. I\u2019ve just\u2014er\u2014we\u2019ve just\u2014adjourned briefly from caucus. We\u2019ve had a long discussion on two of those iwi bills, Taranaki Iwi Claims Settlement and\u2014er\u2014Ng\u0101tikahu ki Whangaroa\u2014umm\u2014we are going to oppose both of those, Gerry.\u201D Gerry: \u201CThanks, Ron.\u201D, and he hung up. No mention in my telephone at all of that statement that we withdrew our voice vote - only proposal\u2014nothing, nyet, zip, nada. That is a total untruth. So, on that big, drama queen reaction, the Government pulled it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EWell, here is the challenge, Government: declare urgency now; declare extended hours now. Put those bills on the Table on Friday. We, New Zealand First, will be here in full muster. We do not care whether all you guys are taking an early break and you have got your kids pulled out of school so you can start your holiday early\u2014we do not care. We will be here. We will cast our votes against the two bills we said we would, and we will give you a voice vote, Government\u2014a voice vote on the other three, as I said we would in that telephone conversation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThis is a disaster and a debacle of Gerry Brownlee\u2019s making. This is not our making; this is his. If those members want me to table the telephone recording, I will.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThis is a debacle of the Government members\u2019 own making. This is an indication of their incompetence, their stupidity, and, actually, their disrespect for M\u0101ori, because they never had any intention of sitting there on Friday and seeing those bills through as a Government in support of those iwi, whom they now claim they mourn for. Give me a break, you most insincere, pathetic Government. I just have no time for you, and nor does New Zealand First.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022 data-id=\u0022280fa86029584f7c9aa2aff67f4d1347\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022280fa86029584f7c9aa2aff67f4d1347\u0022\u003ESTUART SMITH (National\u2014Kaik\u014Dura):\u003C/span\u003E It appears that the previous speaker, Ron Mark, is unaware of the old political adage that explaining is losing. But on to\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e06369ea257f429dba40fabd16a7b420\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I would just like to ask the two relatively senior members of the House to let Mr Smith speak. If people want to seek leave to table something, they can, and now would be the appropriate time to do it, but I do not think we should have the back and forth about whether it should be done or not. Stuart Smith\u2014starting again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221959c3f53bd6493aa5de0261cd7736d8\u0022\u003ESTUART SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. I think I made my point before, but on to our economy. With 3.6 percent growth in GDP we are the third-highest in the OECD. There has been some talk about this being led by immigration, and I think that what is, in fact, behind this is that people are voting with their feet. They are not leaving and they are coming home. Coupled with the 3.6 percent GDP growth, we have the second-highest employment rate in the world. That is fantastic. So it is not a migration-driven thing. If it was, we would not have that high employment rate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003EThere was also talk about dairy and how it was causing all of the fantastic growth we have had over the last 8 years under a National Government. But dairy has gone through a very rough patch lately. Fortunately, it has improved, but the economy has sailed on none the less and is doing extremely well, and I am very pleased, like my colleague who mentioned it just before, that the Global Dairy Trade was up again last night: $2,780 for that critical whole-milk powder price. We need it to get up to $3,000 a tonne, but we are over $5 a kilogram, which is what farmers need to really make money. Fifty cents up is the projection\u2014up to $5.25\u2014by Fonterra, and when you take the share dividend into account as well, it is a $5.75 to $5.85 return to the farmers. That is fantastic. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003EHorticulture exports are doing fantastically well, led by kiwifruit, which is up 41 percent to $1.7 billion. That is a fantastic performance. The wine industry, which had only $18 million of exports back in 1990, is at $1.6 billion today. That is a fantastic performance from the wine industry. But I want to take that back local to my electorate, which is the home of three-quarters of New Zealand\u2019s wine production, but we also have many other industries and strings to our bow. Airbus, one of the two largest aircraft manufacturers in the world, has only ever bought three other companies in its entire history and one of those is Safe Air, based in Blenheim at Woodbourne airbase. Safe Air has a fantastic prop shop in Marlborough, where propellers are refurbished. It also has a wonderful electroplating bay. Those are very difficult to build now, so all of the electroplating in New Zealand is really done in Woodbourne, and even foreign air forces use the prop shop to get their propellers refurbished. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003EAquaculture is also going extremely well. We had Dr Jason Clay speak here in Parliament in Minister Smith\u2019s office for a cross-party lunch the other day. He was pointing out how we are going to go and face the growing population and deal with the global paradox of 1 billion people not having enough to eat and 1 billion people being obese\u2014in part, this will be through aquaculture. In Marlborough in New Zealand, 1 hectare of salmon farm produces 22 jobs and $13 million of revenue. That is $590,000 per job. High-end manufacturing is one of the few industries that will get into six figures: $590,000 per job is a phenomenal amount of money, and I think, as Dr Clay pointed out, that we have to start looking at these other industries to feed the world. Farmed fish exceeded beef in production a couple of years ago, so we are looking at the world through a completely different lens now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003ELooking back to Marlborough, we have great tourism growth as well. We are having three significant openings next month. The aviation heritage museum is opening its World War II display\u2014a new hangar, which is, in part, supported by Peter Jackson and some of his aircraft. It is a phenomenal facility. That is going to be open. The ASB Theatre Marlborough is a 740-seat theatre in which Dame Kiri Te Kanawa spoke earlier in the year. She proclaimed it as having the best acoustics in the country. In addition to that, a local five-star hotel has almost increased its capacity by 50 percent, and is opening that wing next month as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003EThe wine industry, of course, is going phenomenally well and will be increasing by 2,000 jobs in the next 4 years, which is 10 percent of the working population in the Marlborough region. So that is a phenomenal success to go along with the success of other regions in New Zealand and our economy, in part due to a good Government. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003EThe debate having concluded, the motion lapsed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225e1c80b625c54c7ca35416f787d2a93c\u0022\u003EPapawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d0483afe0071495b9d81600cac98f431\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022 data-id=\u00223d1511c611234005a0ff8463ad0eaee6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223d1511c611234005a0ff8463ad0eaee6\u0022\u003EALASTAIR SCOTT (National\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Amendment Bill be now read a second time. I would like to acknowledge the hard work of the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Board in getting this bill to the House. This bill was brought to the House to amend the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Act of 1943 so that the board can better manage its functions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EThe trusts have a long history in the Wairarapa, going back nearly 170 years, when two blocks of land were donated to establish a school in the Wairarapa. It involved the Lord Bishop of New Zealand as part of that Act, and since that donation those trusts have managed a M\u0101ori boarding school, from 1860 to 1865; then the Papawai Native School, which was opened in the 1930s; and then a further piece of land was added to the estate, which was purchased for Hikurangi Primary School, which operated for a few years from 1930 to 1932, which was then destroyed by fire. So that is a little bit of the history of the trusts. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EThe Act came into force in 1943\u2014the Act that we are talking about today\u2014to extend the powers of the trusts so they could better manage the practical use of the funds to advance specifically the education of the tangata whenua of Wairarapa. The Act is extremely archaic, it is out of date, and it is quite patronising in its terminology and what it is doing. So, for example, the Act required the trusts to donate two-thirds of their income to a post-primary education fund for scholarships for Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu, first, then for children of M\u0101ori descent on the East Coast, and then for M\u0101ori descendants anywhere in New Zealand\u2014but controlled by the Anglican Church. So that is two-thirds that had to go to schools, specifically around the Anglican Church. The remaining third was to be paid out for the use of any post - primary school scholarship for books, clothing, equipment, assisting parents, and even residential costs, but it was specified. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EThis bill changes all that. This bill gives greater flexibility to the distribution of the funds by allowing scholarships for the post-primary education of children who have whakapapa in relation to the tangata whenua of Wairarapa. So it is not iwi-specific. It is for a wide range of uses\u2014not specific uses\u2014relating to education and educational support, and the requirements for scholarships to go to schools, as I say, conducted by the Anglican Church are outdated and archaic. The current Act\u2014this is to do with the governance changes proposed in the bill\u2014requires 10 members of the board, one of which must be a representative of the Ministry of Education, one appointed by the M\u0101ori Land Court, and four M\u0101ori descendants. So it is very, very prescriptive. The bill will establish a far more robust nomination process for board members. There will be eight board members, consisting of four members appointed by the bishop and also others appointed or elected by tangata whenua of Wairarapa in accordance with the process adopted by them and publicly notified, as you would expect. So this change will empower tangata whenua of Wairarapa by giving them the authority to decide whom they would like to see manage their trust funds and to decide on an appointment process that meets their needs. So there will be none of this patronising, dictatorial specification that is currently in the Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EThe Act also restricts the powers of the board by requiring all leasing of land to be in accordance with the Public Bodies Leases Act. The board could sell the land only with the consent of the Ministry of Education, but the Minister could not consent to the sale of land that had been required from any M\u0101ori tribe unless the M\u0101ori Land Court had been involved and given consent. So, again, it is very specific and very archaic\u2014without giving any trust or any delegation to the people who are running the show. The requirement is unnecessarily complicated and needs updating. The bill will warrant the selling of the Clareville land, if the board wishes, but not the Papawai land or the Kaikokirikiri land without going through this process that I outlined. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EI would like to acknowledge the board. The board would also be able to lease the three pieces of land that are available to them as they see fit\u2014so, again, the bill is giving the trustees a lot more scope in conducting affairs as they should. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EI would like to thank the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee members across the House for reviewing the bill and suggesting some changes. They have suggested the bill be enacted in Te Reo M\u0101ori as well as in English. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EClause 5 will be amended to be consistent with the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, and that was quite interesting because the original Act said that a trustee had to be of sound mind and have mental stability, or some such words. That actually breaches the Bill of Rights Act, so that wording is being changed. Of course, if those words were still there, half of us would not be able to be trustees of that board! There is a new section 4A, in clause 5, to specify the term of office of board members, and there have been some minor amendments to replace references to \u201C2015\u201D with \u201C2017\u201D to ensure that the bill passes before that date. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EThe bill will modernise the current Act to establish a more robust nomination process of trustees, remove the unnecessary restrictions on the distribution of funds and the use of the Clareville land, and allow for a much more flexible distribution of funds by the board, as they see fit. The bill can be achieved only through legislation, which is why we are here today. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u0022dfe3879eefba434ca4cdeb07e241b691\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dfe3879eefba434ca4cdeb07e241b691\u0022\u003EMEKA WHAITIRI (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E E Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, otir\u0101, e ng\u0101 mema o Te Whare nei, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. I am happy to take a call on the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Amendment Bill in its second reading. As an uri of Papawai, o te whanau R\u014Dpiha, as a practising Mihingare of the Anglican Church, and, of course, as the local member of Parliament for the electorate of Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti, from which this bill stems, I stand in support of the intentions of modernising the Papawai and Kaikokiriri Trusts Board. I want to acknowledge the local member who has brought this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThe convention for what I consider a non-contentious bill, like this one, is that you generally reach out across all members of the House to ensure that all views are taken into consideration when bringing a bill to the House, to ensure its safe passage. I just want to make that point because, in this case, that was not done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI want to stand and say on record that we have got some fine people in this House who have whakapapa to Papawai. I particularly want to acknowledge the co-leader of the Greens Metiria Turei. Of course, we have got another colleague there, Ron Mark, and myself, and I have got colleagues from this side of the House who also have whakapapa to Papawai. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EBut back to the bill, Labour does support it. I want to share a bit of history around the word and kupu \u201CPapawai\u201D. Papawai has been a home to Wairarapa M\u0101ori for hundreds of years. The word \u201CPapawai\u201D literally means \u201Ca variety of fern root\u201D or \u201Cwater that lies on blue-coloured clay\u201D. Some say that \u201CPapawai\u201D means \u201Cthe tears of Papat\u016B\u0101nuku\u201D, when she was separated from her husband, Ranginui.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EPapawai is still very much a working marae today. It has historic and cultural significance to New Zealand. In the last years of the 19th and 20th centuries Papawai was not merely the most outstanding marae in Wairarapa but one of the most culturally important in Aotearoa. At the peak of its national importance, Papawai was the largest marae in the country and the place where the M\u0101ori Parliament was built. Papawai was revered throughout the country as a place of great learning. A whare w\u0101nanga school of learning stood at Papawai. The oral history taught by important tohunga\u2014experts\u2014was recorded by Hoani Te Whatahoro Jury and R\u012Bwai. Much of the basis of M\u0101oritanga that is part of the New Zealand school curriculum has its roots in the teaching from the w\u0101nanga, houses of learning.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EPapawai and Kaikokiriri Trusts Board was incorporated under the religious, charitable, and educational trusts Act of 1908. The college established by that board was destroyed by fire in the year 1932, and the trust funds were insufficient for the re-establishment and maintenance of the college, as set out in the trust deed. The purpose of the bill, the intention of the bill, which is, like I said, uncontroversial, is that it intends to modernise the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Act 1943. The objective of this bill is to ensure that the relationship between Papawai and Kaikokiriri Trusts Board, the bishop of Te Upoko o Te Ika, and the tangata whenua of Wairarapa is upheld. The intention is also to establish a more robust nomination of board members process, to provide fairer distribution of funds for the tangata whenua of Wairarapa, and to facilitate the long-term development of land. The bill also changes the way the trust applies its funding, and no longer limits distribution to just Anglican Church schools. The board, for example, must appropriate income for each financial year to a fund, to be called the \u201CPapawai and Kaikokirikiri Scholarship Fund\u201D, and the bill sets out the process by which this fund is limited.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThe bill also changes the make-up and appointment process for the board. It reduces the board from 10 members to eight and makes some minor amendments to definitions within the original 1943 Act. The bill further deals with the alienation of land\u2014which I will mention again later\u2014allowing the board more flexibility as to how it manages the land under its control. It was interesting that the member who has brought this bill to the House mentioned in his opening address how the land was donated. The bill changes the way the board\u2019s investments are managed. That is the intention behind the bill, and anything that allows the descendants greater control over the lands and the running of the trust we here in Labour support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EBut I want to turn to the report provided by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. I am not a member of that select committee, but I want to congratulate the chairman, under his chairmanship, and the members on that board for doing a very good job in bringing this bill to the House. I note that we had two written submissions and one oral submitter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI just want to draw the House\u2019s attention to two points that were made as part of the select committee process. One was on the definition of \u201Ctangata whenua of Wairarapa\u201D. I want to acknowledge the post-settlement entity group, Rangit\u0101ne T\u016B Mai R\u0101 Trust, who just noted and gave some recommendations to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee about making it really clear that we are talking about Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu and Rangit\u0101ne, and also made some useful references, I think, to the fact of introducing the kupu of \u201Chap\u016B\u201D. I see that the select committee considered and did not feel that it should adjust the definition, but, I think, for future purposes\u2014because, you remember, this trust is going to be around a lot longer, after we have all gone\u2014it is important that we actually allow descendants of those hap\u016B, of those iwi, to see themselves in this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThe other one was around\u2014and I mentioned it earlier\u2014the timing for selling or leasing lands. I do want to commend the member who introduced it, making it really clear that the corpus lands\u2014or the ones you have identified, Papawai and Kaikokirikiri\u2014are protected under this bill, so that it is very clear that they cannot be sold, but making it really clear that Clareville lands could potentially be sold or leased on. So I just want to commend that particular amendment in this bill. Given our history around land losses in this country, it is something that I am very passionate about in this House\u2014to ensure that not one more acre is lost, as legislators. So I just want to acknowledge that under the Act it was fairly broad in that you could potentially sell that land, and in this amendment bill that you are bringing to the House, you are making it really clear that you cannot sell those corpus lands. So I just want to acknowledge that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EFinally, I want to just comment on, again, one of the recommendations from Rangit\u0101ne T\u016B Mai R\u0101 Trust, and that was the use of Te Reo. I read the Ministry of Justice\u2019s response about how cumbersome it is to change not just this bill\u2014because you have to actually change the entire Act, and that would take a long time, and of course we do not want to stop the passage of this bill. Can I just make the comment that in this country, as legislators, the fact is that Te Reo M\u0101ori is an official language of this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIt may be something that you, as Speaker, or this House need to address: that we should not just be saying that in future we should be looking at introducing dual language bills into this House; we should have a more streamlined process for existing Acts if it is wished\u2014if the people subject to those Acts want a dual translation. I just want to go on record as saying that I read the reason why they will not do it, but I am sure that there is an opportunity here as a House for us to be looking at creating mechanisms where dual usage\u2014or multilingual, if that is what we want to get to\u2014is not prevented simply because it will create a whole lot of unnecessary work and we have to draw the process out. So I just want to make that point, and, hopefully, when we come to the Committee stage, we might have some responses as to why we did not introduce the word \u201Chap\u016B\u201D by the member. All in all, this is a very non-controversial bill. Labour does support it, and I commend it to the House. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022 data-id=\u00220a625fe48e744317bc5fd2d114489a87\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220a625fe48e744317bc5fd2d114489a87\u0022\u003ENUK KORAKO (National): \u003C/span\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 koe, e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101, e mihi atu ki a koe, huri noa i Te Whare nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. T\u0113nei te mihi o te whanauka o te waka o T\u0101kitimu, Kahungunu, e mihi atu ki a koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E[My thanks and acknowledgments to you, Mr Assistant Speaker, and to those of you throughout the House, greetings. I, this relative of the T\u0101kitimu waka, acknowledge you, Kahungunu, my congratulations to you collectively.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI take this call on the second reading of the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Amendment Bill. First of all, I want to congratulate the member of Parliament for Wairarapa on bringing this bill to Parliament and also to acknowledge the MP for Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti, our previous speaker, Meka Whaitiri, who gave us a very good overview of both Papawai and Kaikokirikiri. I also want to acknowledge my fellow members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, who have worked really constructively on this bill. The other part is that in respect of those who did submit\u2014there were very few submitters\u2014it was really important that we did hear from them, particularly from the trust and Rangit\u0101ne T\u016B Mai R\u0101. I think the important thing that came out of that was the fact around the Te Reo M\u0101ori version, and the other part of it really was to make this fit for purpose for the 21st century.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThe M\u0101ori Affairs Committee looked at this bill, and we continually will after this second reading, particularly around the Committee stage. One thing that I think is really important, and it was touched on very quickly by previous speakers\u2014just to cut across a couple of amendments that we have actually recommended for the bill. One of them is actually around an issue that has arisen, in that the Attorney-General had issued a report under the Bill of Rights Act. Under that, it concluded that one provision in this bill is actually inconsistent with the Bill of Rights Act 1990. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThe issue here centres around the provisions in the bill itself, which require a member\u2019s position on the trust board to be vacated in certain circumstances. These circumstances\u2014just to sort of highlight them\u2014include members of the trust board becoming subject to a compulsory treatment order; that was the first one. The second one is becoming a special patient under the Mental Health (Compulsory Assessment and Treatment) Act 1992. And the other one was having an order made about them under the Protection of Personal and Property Rights Act 1988. I thought that this one here was a really important part, particularly around the report that came back from the Attorney-General. These provisions are obviously well-intentioned within the bill itself, but the intention is to ensure that if a person no longer has the capacity to carry out the work of a board member, they are removed and their position is replaced. That is where the issue lies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EHowever, the issue with the provisions as originally drafted is that, in fact, compulsory treatment orders under the Mental Health Act do not, by themselves, signify that someone lacks the capacity for a particular position. So, as originally drafted, this bill used these orders in a way that was not intended in the Mental Health Act and would, therefore, potentially invalidate the position of a board member who became subject to such an order but who was still perfectly capable of carrying out his or her position. This is what caused this provision to fall foul of the Bill of Rights Act, and particularly the right to be free from discrimination. That is one amendment that we looked at and was discussed, particularly after receiving the advice from the Attorney-General\u2019s office.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThere was another one that I think is worth highlighting, and this one, particularly, is bringing this trust into the 21st century, making it fit for purpose, and it is clause 13 of the bill, amending section 15 of the principal Act. We believe that the intention of the trust board, although the board wants to have more control over its investments, including the ability to diversify its investments to better provide for its beneficiaries\u2014the bill as originally drafted would have limited the trust board to investing in land. So what we recommended, as another amendment, is that it take out one of the clauses particularly that specifically actually signifies that it can only actually invest in land. What we did was we put in another clause, or recommended another clause go in, whereby the investment can be more than just land; it can actually be a number of diversified investment products right across the board.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EIn saying that, they are the two main recommended amendments that I am just highlighting here in the second reading. I think the other parts of it are particularly around this situation about wh\u0101nau, about the wh\u0101nau of Wairarapa, and it was actually an issue that was considered within the language of the bill. I want just very quickly to say something around the submission from the Rangit\u0101ne T\u016B Mai R\u0101 Trust\u2014particularly around the Te Reo M\u0101ori version\u2014around opening it up more instead of being specific about certain wh\u0101nau who were going to be beneficiaries under this. The bill has actually been extended out further to talk more about the wh\u0101nau of Wairarapa. That is another one of the recommendations we have made\u2014not just specifically\u2014about kotahitaka [unity] right across the board of Wairarapa. They are the amendments that I wanted to profile here today at the second reading, and I commend this bill to the House. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u0022bd4829610fae404f88c0ee383ee75ab1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bd4829610fae404f88c0ee383ee75ab1\u0022\u003EKELVIN DAVIS (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tokerau):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Assistant Speaker, t\u0113r\u0101 t\u0113tahi k\u012Banga kei roto i t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo Rangatira, t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo \u0101taahua e p\u0113nei ana: \u201CKua taka te kapa\u201D. \u0100kuanei ahau e whakap\u0101keh\u0101tia w\u0113nei k\u014Drero kia m\u014Dhio te katoa \u0113ngari, i rongo ake ahau i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero o te tuahine, a Meka, n\u0101na i k\u012B mai ko t\u014Dna wh\u0101nau o ng\u0101 R\u014Dpiha ka whakapapa atu ki t\u0113nei w\u0101hi whenua o Papawai. Kua rongo ahau i te ingoa R\u014Dpiha, kua taka te kapa i te mea, he uri ahau hoki n\u014D ng\u0101 R\u014Dpiha, n\u014D roto i Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu. Ko t\u014Dku tupuna, a P\u0101napa Tuari, n\u0101, kua whiwhi t\u014Dku p\u0101p\u0101 i taua ingoa. N\u0101na i moe i a Arapera R\u014Dpiha ka puta ko Maora P\u0101napa. Ka moe a ia i a Uru Davis kua puta ko Walton. Ka moe a ia i a Maki kua puta ko P\u0101napa, ar\u0101, ko t\u014Dku p\u0101p\u0101 kua moe i t\u014Dku m\u0101m\u0101, \u0101, kua puta ko ahau. T\u0113r\u0101 pea aku tamariki, m\u0101 r\u0101tou hoki e whiwhi t\u0113tahi o \u0113nei karahipi, n\u0101, kua taka te kapa!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. There is an expression in our esteemed language, our beautiful language, which goes like this: \u201CThe penny has dropped\u201D. I will provide an English translation of those words shortly, so that the majority gets an understanding of what the term suggests, but I heard the sentiments uttered by my sister colleague Meka. Her R\u014Dpiha family have a genealogical connection to this Papawai piece of land. I heard her mention the R\u014Dpiha name, and the penny dropped, because I am also a descendant of the R\u014Dpihas, from within Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu. My grandfather was P\u0101napa Tuari\u2014my father got his name\u2014he married Arapera R\u014Dpiha and Maora P\u0101napa was born. She married Uru Davis and begat Walton, who married Maki, who begat P\u0101napa, my dad, who married my mum, and I popped out. Perhaps my children will also be able to get one of these scholarships, and, therefore, the penny has dropped!]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI was just saying that in our beautiful M\u0101ori language there is a saying that says \u201CKua taka te kapa\u201D, which means \u201CThe penny has dropped\u201D. Obviously, it is not a traditional saying from 500 years ago in that we did not have pennies in our currency. When I heard Meka stand and say that the R\u014Dpiha wh\u0101nau whakapapas to the Papawai Trust, and that is a connection she has, the penny dropped, or the light bulb went on in my head, and I said: \u201COh, crikey, I am a descendant of the R\u014Dpiha wh\u0101nau as well through my Kahungunu side.\u201D I also just laid out that whakapapa: Arapera R\u014Dpiha married a fulla called P\u0101napa Tuari, who had Maora P\u0101napa, who married Uru Davis, my great grandfather, who had, obviously, my grandfather Walton, who married my grandmother, who had my father, whose name is also P\u0101napa, from Kahungunu. Obviously, I came from that union. Then I said: \u201COh, I guess now my children might be able to qualify for one of these scholarships from the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Board.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EActually, there is another connection, too\u2014us Kahungunu\u2014not many people know that Kahungunu, although they are domiciled on the East Coast around Hawke\u2019s Bay, Kahungunu was actually born in the very far north, and we knew him as K\u0101hunuhunu. I was actually visiting a kaum\u0101tua in Te H\u0101pua right up the very far north, a couple of miles south of North Cape, and he said: \u201CCome and stand here and look out my kitchen window. Do you see that maunga there? The maunga is called Wharer\u016B and that is where K\u0101hunuhunu was born.\u201D So that was interesting, because there is another story saying they he was born further south, around Kaitaia, but Kahungunu, as we all know, was born up in the north and moved down south. He was a bit of a womaniser\u2014he had a number of wives\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed6be660f4f244209562224cc291f915\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Henry VIII\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6afd17b15c5456abe585da7bb033638\u0022\u003EKELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: Henry VIII, yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3314de48d5d4ff78d2b628949b567a5\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Which bill are we on?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c05843e8efec403488334a29c1e63cff\u0022\u003EKELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: Getting back to the bill. Just a little bit of history there. Getting back to the bill, and I would just like to acknowledge the member for Wairarapa, Alastair Scott, who has brought this bill on behalf of the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Board. Just before I do that, too, we debated whether this bill should be in both languages, and in the end it was just going to be too hard, for various reasons, but kei te hiahia ahau ki te k\u012B atu ki te kaim\u0101takitaki, ar\u0101, a Andrew Judd Te Koromatua o Ng\u0101motu, e mihi atu ki a koe Andrew m\u014D t\u014D kaha tautoko i t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo M\u0101ori, ng\u0101 tikanga M\u0101ori, w\u0113r\u0101 \u0101huatanga katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E[I want to say to the audience, namely to Andrew Judd, the Mayor of New Plymouth, I commend you, Andrew, in regard to your robust support of our M\u0101ori language, M\u0101ori protocols, and all those situations.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003ENo doubt, I am sure, Andrew, that you would agree. You would like to see bills written in both languages. That was something that we explored; it was just going to be a bit difficult. But in the future it is something that we should really, in the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, look at: dual language bills right from the outset. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Amendment Bill, as the member for Wairarapa started off by saying, was set up on lands to establish a M\u0101ori school. The M\u0101ori school was there for a while. I think it was in the 1930s when the school burnt down. They were not able to re-establish the school, but instead they used the funds for these scholarships, which were to be distributed to descendants, the M\u0101ori children of Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu descent in the first instance, M\u0101ori children from the East Coast, and then M\u0101ori children from throughout New Zealand. The new bill is now saying: \u201CLet\u2019s not say Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu and Rangit\u0101ne; let\u2019s just talk about the children who descended from Wairarapa.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI actually learnt the hard way about confusing or mentioning Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu and Rangit\u0101ne in the same breath, when I got the boot from Parliament in 2011. Soon afterwards I went down to Dannevirke because my cousin was having a p\u014Dwhiri as the new police sergeant in Dannevirke. When I get got there, I said to one of the people: \u201CGee, just who exactly are the local people that I need to acknowledge? Is it Kahungunu?\u201D. Well, I just about had my head bitten off. It was: \u201CDon\u2019t you dare say Kahungunu here; it is Rangit\u0101ne you must acknowledge.\u201D So to avoid getting into any sort of conflict, I think it is actually great that we just talk about children who descend from Wairarapa and not make that differentiation between Kahungunu and Rangit\u0101ne. I would hate to start another land war. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe scholarships were to go towards children attending Anglican schools. We know that we have had a rich history of Anglican education through St Stephen\u2019s, Queen Victoria, Te Aute, Hukarere\u2014those schools\u2014and, sadly, those schools have fallen off. So it is appropriate that, actually, the funds do not just go towards children who are attending Anglican schools, or towards Anglican children, but that they just go out to all M\u0101ori children to support education. Most people remember that I was an educator for 20-odd years. Funding and receiving financial assistance for education is a big thing\u2014that whole poverty and lack of finance is actually a barrier to many children achieving in education as they should. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EIt has also been mentioned that section 5 of the original Act was inconsistent with the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, and the language has been refined in new section 5, inserted by clause 5, to make sure that people who have mental health issues are not discriminated against. I believe that is just the right move to make. Just because somebody might have a mental health issue does not mean to say that they cannot function at a certain level, and we need to remove steps that discriminate against people just because they are unwell in that way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EFor the term of office, the trustees are going to be staggered so that some will have a term of 4 years, some of 3 years, some of 2 years, and some of 1 year. That is sensible so that when the board turns over, you do not lose all that institutional knowledge\u2014that there is a rolling out of the old and in with the new, although board members who have been voted out may still be able to come back in again in the next election. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EIt has been a pleasure, on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, to go through this bill. I think it is going to help those children from the Wairarapa. It will help them access education, and so we commend this bill. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022 data-id=\u0022e77f454a67184b91b2057d7be695a822\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e77f454a67184b91b2057d7be695a822\u0022\u003EJOANNE HAYES (National):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora. I stand to take a call on the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Amendment Bill, and I too want to just pick up on a couple of threads from the speech of Kelvin Davis, the previous speaker, when he talked about Kahungunu and his travels around the North Island. I must say that Rangit\u0101ne, my ancestor on my mother\u2019s side, also lived a pretty roaming kind of life, which begat Rangit\u0101ne ki Wairarapa, Rangit\u0101ne ki Wairau, Rangit\u0101ne o T\u0101maki Nui \u0101 Rua, and a few other Rangit\u0101nes around the place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EAs I said, my mother hails from the Wairarapa. Her ancestress down there is a woman by the name of \u0100kura, and I too also whakapapa into the Papawai Marae through her. Just a little bit about the Papawai Marae\u2014the Papawai Marae was the first marae in the country to hold the M\u0101ori Parliament, so it has got some amazing history behind it. I am very proud to come from the Wairarapa, and proud of the history that I learnt later on as an adult, as my mother became more and more open with her whakapapa, which she held fairly close and to herself. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EMy mother was very driven when it came to education, and I must say that our educational background, as her children, was derived from that. That kind of got into the head of my father as well. They said to us that the only way to success and freedom was to have a good education. So this particular bill, the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Amendment Bill, is about education and the education of M\u0101ori. I am pleased to see that it has widened out, because our whakapapa across Aotearoa New Zealand is wide, and it offers the ability for everybody to be able to gain from the funds that this trust generates on an annual basis. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003ESo when we start looking at the land amounts, or the acreage, we are looking at a quite significant land block, which at around about that time would have totalled 722 acres\u2014nothing to be sniffed at\u2014and the revenue gained from that has helped a number of our mokopuna go through the education system over time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EPrevious speakers have touched a lot on where the bill has come from. I too want to thank Alastair Scott, my colleague, for bringing in this member\u2019s bill as its sponsor, and I thank the wh\u0101nau who took the time to bring the old bill and work with Alastair to modernise it into today-speak, which has resulted in a widening of the number of people who can actually access the education funds. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EWhen we start to look at that area around the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts\u2019 lands, we do see a steeped history of the school\u2014as the previous speaker said\u2014being built, burning down, and not really coming back to its full strength. But when the submitters came to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, I was really impressed with the way that the trust has been set up for educational purposes. I believe, as I stand here today, that it is one of the leading M\u0101ori educational services in our country. I was very proud to hear what they have done and how they are doing it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EAs I said, there is lots that this bill has changed\u2014all the little tweaks, and that\u2014from the 1943 Act, which had 10 board members, down to having eight board members. There is the way those board members have been going through selection, with four of them coming from the Bishop of Te Upoko o Te Ika and four obviously from within the tangata whenua or mana whenua of Wairarapa Kahungunu, and to be able to not throw the baby out with the bathwater\u2014to have it so that once their term finishes or the office becomes vacant, they can actually reapply and go back on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThe other area that I was looking at in the old Act was the remuneration for these boards of trustees. I see in the new bill that there is a facility in there for that, because they do work hard and they are appointed because of their expertise and ability within the education field and within their representation of the iwi as well, so it is nice to see that there is some sort of remuneration for them with this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThere is not a lot more that I want to say. I just want to thank the members on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, ably led by my colleague Nuk Korako, and I look forward to the further progress of this bill as we move towards its Royal assent. I commend it to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022 data-id=\u0022f2b6113eb9f5457391504fd911cd538b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f2b6113eb9f5457391504fd911cd538b\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Assistant Speaker. I just want to add the Green Party\u2019s support for this bill. It is a little bill. It is just the modernisation of the trusts and their powers, and that is good\u2014this is what a local bill is for\u2014and we are very pleased to support it. I have to say I am quite impressed with the number of members who have in the past declared their whakapapa back to Papawai\u2014myself included\u2014but more and more are coming out as we go on through the conversation. It is fantastic. Papawai, the takeover of this Parliament by the M\u0101ori Parliament seems to be growing day by day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed79b42572014f948f26090b7125e780\u0022\u003EMeka Whaitiri\u003C/span\u003E: A prize strategy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229bd13afa0307408f8b12b0db7bf68aac\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, it is a great strategy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf791e723444468293c8256d1f70305d\u0022\u003EMeka Whaitiri\u003C/span\u003E: Don\u2019t be afraid.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d998c68128fb47bfa7cc444c9dab7707\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI\u003C/span\u003E: \u201CDon\u2019t be afraid.\u201D, Meka Whaitiri says. Yes, the M\u0101ori Parliament is taking over slowly, bit by bit, but we will be gentle and will take good care. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EI have always thought it was a little bit spooky, actually, that Papawai, given it was the home of the M\u0101ori Parliament, has had such an influence and has actually produced so many M\u0101ori MPs across the political spectrum. So it is not just that there is a wh\u0101nau commitment to a particular political party, but there is a commitment to politics, to education, and to advancing our children through the system so that they can be strong advocates for our wh\u0101nau in this place and in other places as well. That is what these trusts do. By being clearly established and well-established and by providing the funds for educational scholarships for the children of Wairarapa, these trusts are helping to build that expertise from the Wairarapa\u2014from Papawai and elsewhere in the area\u2014and so that is a great thing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EIt always interests me that when hap\u016B have been the most constrained in resources\u2014and across the country, not just in Wairarapa and with Papawai\u2014or have had the least resources, they have directed whatever resource they have to the education of their kids. That has always been the first priority for hap\u016B\u2014to do whatever is necessary to get our kids as well-educated as possible so they can live the best lives that they can and so they can be strong advocates for their wh\u0101nau and hap\u016B later in life. It just goes to show that despite all of the difficulties that iwi M\u0101ori and hap\u016B M\u0101ori have suffered over the last 200 years, always the focus is on our kids. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EI do just want to acknowledge the changes that were made to the bill by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and particularly the tidying-up of some old wording. The issue of the inconsistency with the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act was really just, I think, a drafting issue that arises when you are using older legislation as a model, and it is good that we have a New Zealand Bill of Rights Act vetting that reminds us to be clearer and fairer in our language. So I am very pleased to see those changes. We are happy with retaining the definition of \u201Ctangata whenua of Wairarapa\u201D as the group of kids who would benefit from the trusts\u2019 resources.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EI too would just reiterate that there is an express provision in the bill that prevents the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Board from selling the Papawai or Kaikokirikiri land. Not only does the bill say that the Clareville land can be sold but not the Papawai or the Kaikokirikiri land, but it goes on to say: \u201CTo avoid doubt, the Board may not consent to the sale or otherwise permanently alienate the Papawai land or the Kaikokirikiri land.\u201D I think it is really important for everyone at home to know that the law requires the trusts to hold on to that land for the purposes of deriving an income so that kids who are in need of some financial support for their education can get it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EI am pleased too that the application of trust moneys from this is quite broad. It is not just about fees; it is actually about the things that kids need in order to be able to get a decent education\u2014books, clothes. In increasingly impoverished families, just getting decent clothes to send kids to school in is a problem\u2014and uniforms. Other equipment is available to be purchased too with funds from these trusts for our kids. In an increasingly digital age, when it is becoming more and more difficult for kids to access the internet and the technology to access the internet\u2014that is really important too. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EWe are very pleased that the bill has come forward. Congratulations to the member who brought it to the House, Alastair Scott. We look forward to its passing. Kia ora, Mr Assistant Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022 data-id=\u00220c1495f44f4c4bc7bf6527653296dd58\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220c1495f44f4c4bc7bf6527653296dd58\u0022\u003EPITA PARAONE (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Assistant Speaker, t\u0113n\u0101 hoki t\u0101tou e noho nei i roto i Te Whare. \u0100e, i rongo au i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki ng\u0101 herenga o \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 mema M\u0101ori e noho nei i roto i Te Whare ki te r\u014Dp\u016B nei. T\u0113n\u0101 pea ko te take nei, kua taka te kapa, ka hiahia \u0113tahi \u014D t\u0101tou kia mau aua kapa, kia ahatia? \u0112ngari, ko te mea nui m\u0113n\u0101 e tika ana w\u0101 r\u0101tou whakapapa. Korekau he raru!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker, and salutations to you seated here in the House. Yes, indeed, I heard the comments about the connections that some M\u0101ori members seated in this House here have to this organisation. Perhaps this matter about the penny dropping is due to the fact that some of us want to catch those pennies, but for what purpose? However, the main thing is to examine whether their genealogies are correct. There will not be a problem if it is fine!]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EJust by way of explanation, I was acknowledging everyone in the House and referring to the comment of Metiria Turei, the previous speaker, about the number of M\u0101ori members coming out of the woodwork, so to speak, and making their genealogical connection to these trusts. I made the rather facetious comment that perhaps the reason that we are doing that is that the penny has dropped\u2014in other words, there is a possible monetary rationale for their connection. But, in spite of that, I acknowledge their right to claim their whakapapa to the Wairarapa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EOn behalf of New Zealand First, I can say that we will be supporting this bill, and I acknowledge Alastair Scott, the member who brought it to the House. I should say that we certainly do recognise the need to update the wording of an Act that has used rather archaic language, particularly in terms of its description of the Church of England. I think the bill does that very well, and it has the support of members of the trusts\u2019 board who came before the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and made their submission. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI should also say that, for me, I am not quite sure whether, in fact, the description \u201Ctangata whenua of Wairarapa\u201D is prescriptive enough. But then the members of the current board accepted this description of those who would be entitled to apply to the trusts for assistance, and I acknowledge that. But I just make that comment as someone who has seen a lot of people use the description \u201Ctangata whenua\u201D to go beyond the original intent of the comment. But, having said that, I support the members of the trusts\u2019 board who have said that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EReference has been made to the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act inconsistency, and I, certainly, as a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, was grateful for having that issue pointed out to us. I think that the bill reflects our acceptance of the issues that were raised in regard to that part of the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EThe other thing I want to comment on is the request by members of the trusts\u2019 board seeking to have the bill written in M\u0101ori. The reason that the committee has given for not being able to do so was that the original Act that this bill amends is not in Te Reo M\u0101ori. So we accept that, but we certainly\u2014and I, certainly, as a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee\u2014look forward to having all bills that are passed through this House written in Te Reo M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EThe other part I want to make comment on is that the bill widens the range of investments to anything lawful. You might have thought that with the influence of the Church, that may have included putting thought to making moral investments, and I say that only because that has been an issue with regard to some of our KiwiSaver administrators and because of the comments made about where they invest those funds. Although they may have invested those funds towards legal investments, the public of New Zealand certainly raised the question as to whether or not they were moral. But, again, the members of the trusts\u2019 board accepted that, and I am quite happy to support them in that regard. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI do not have too much to add, other than to say that we in New Zealand First certainly support the bill and we commend it to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022 data-id=\u00229f06331c37c3453da2d5c6852371b801\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229f06331c37c3453da2d5c6852371b801\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E It is a privilege to stand and say a few words on the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Amendment Bill\u2019s second reading here this afternoon. Every now and again you get asked to stand and speak on a bill that you have not had the privilege of sitting through in a select committee context. I do not sit on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, so for me, sitting here and listening to the debate, this is the first time I have been exposed to this particular issue and the solution that we have in front of us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EI, like others, have been quite surprised at how many MPs whakapapa back to Papawai. I am, obviously, impressed with the original contribution there by Meka Whaitiri, and then Metiria Turei and Jo Hayes. I was quite impressed with Kelvin Davis\u2019s extended attempt to try to identify some whakapapa of his in respect of Papawai, and it got me thinking. My family arrived from Prussia in 1862 on the SS African. I am sure they might have done a road trip to Wairarapa sometime in the last 100 years, but, as much as I have thought about it, I just cannot seem to find a way to add myself to that extraordinary, extensive list. In fact, my colleague Jo Hayes reminded me that there is somebody from each one of the political parties represented in this House who whakapapas back to Papawai. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EThe other, I guess, perspective that I reflected on, as I looked through the notes and the report back from the select committee, is the genesis of this, actually. As they often do when we reflect on M\u0101ori trusts when they are in front of this House, the genesis of this started as a gift from a people to, essentially, the country, and, in this case, it was expressed through the Anglican Church, for a specific purpose\u2014in this case, education for their people. I think we overlook that at times, particularly in today\u2019s world\u2014the genesis of so many of the M\u0101ori trusts came from expressions of generosity that then had legal frameworks that were fit for the time wrapped around them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EBut as we stand here, in 2016, they are no longer fit for purpose, because they unduly constrain the successors of that initial gift to the country. It is appropriate, therefore, that we actually reflect on those frameworks and ensure that that initial gift has legislative support to enable it to thrive, not only in today\u2019s context but also for the generations to come. So I will acknowledge my colleague Alastair Scott, who, as the local MP, has taken this up. It is with gratitude that I hear of the level of collective endorsement from around the House for his leadership on this issue, and the fact that that has meant that we have a bill here that is supported by all parties. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EThe framework initially was very paternalistic\u2014we have heard that referenced\u2014and very prescriptive, and it certainly did not allow the trust arrangements to breathe and grow with the aspirations of the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts of today. There have been some key changes envisaged right through this bill\u2014we have heard some good speakers already talk through the key components of that\u2014particularly broadening the definition in terms of who will be able to receive the scholarships. Obviously, it still has education at its heart, as it should be, because that was the original intent of the original gift all those years ago. So it is good to see that the changes not only create a greater flexibility but reinforce the importance of ensuring that education remains core for the trusts\u2019 purpose. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EI think that the changes, in respect of governance, again move from a highly paternalistic and prescriptive approach to one that has, at its core, the view that the four members of the eight will be appointed from tangata whenua of Wairarapa. So, again, we will have a board here that is very much of the local people, for the local people, and that reflects the expectation of the local iwi and, indeed, the expectation of this House. It has been very interesting and a privilege to be part of this conversation. It is an example of Parliament at its best, and I am very pleased to be able to add my voice to those in this House. I commend it to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00229c790e403a3f45749b798948bdef4f09\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229c790e403a3f45749b798948bdef4f09\u0022\u003EADRIAN RURAWHE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Hau\u0101uru):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare, otir\u0101, e tika ana kia tuku mihi atu ki ng\u0101 poutiaki o Papawai me Kaik\u014Dkirikiri, oti noa ki a t\u0101tou katoa o Te Whare.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[And so, my appreciation to you, Mr Assistant Speaker, but at the same time it is fitting indeed that I accord a word of acknowledgment to the trustees of Papawai and Kaik\u014Dkirikiri, and to all of us of the House.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EAt the first reading of this bill, I spoke about a number of things, including wanting to hear from submitters on this bill. I did not sit on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee for this bill, but I commend the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee for the work it did on this bill. There were only two submissions, so I read those submissions. In my part of the world, when you get only two kaik\u014Drero on an issue, it means that everything must be ka pai, because if it was not, we would have got a lot more submissions on this bill. So I just want to acknowledge the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee because, obviously, although there were only two submissions\u2014and the advice from the officials, no doubt\u2014I think it has come up with a very good position on the definition of \u201Ctangata whenua o Wairarapa\u201D. I think it is a very good way of expressing whom this bill benefits, but also the very inclusive nature of this part of the bill, so I acknowledge that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EMy reading of the 1943 Act and the language it uses shows it to be very prescriptive, and it is very paternalistic as well in the way it is written, so it is well overdue for a review. I also acknowledge the member for Wairarapa, Alastair Scott, for the work he has done on bringing this bill to the House. I always believe that reviewing legislation like this should empower the wh\u0101nau\u2014the people\u2014it benefits. Quite clearly, the new governance arrangements\u2014the new terms within this bill\u2014do exactly that, so it is very easy for me to stand in support of this bill. Like a number of others, I thought I would add some whakapapa korero of my own to this debate. My grandmother\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa0c933d41ae4adb8df66d2988ab0fab\u0022\u003EKris Faafoi\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019ve only got 7 minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002233f0414da0c8442d956af1bc50f294ab\u0022\u003EADRIAN RURAWHE\u003C/span\u003E: That is just about enough time. My grandmother\u2014my dad\u2019s mum\u2014is from Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu, and I am very proud about that part of my whakapapa, as well\u2014my dad\u2019s mum. It was very interesting listening to the contribution, particularly, of my colleague Kelvin Davis. He does not know this, but I have R\u014Dpiha whakapapa as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI was really interested in the way that the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee dealt with the inconsistency with the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990. It was obviously, within the drafting of the legislation, an unintended fact that was placed in this bill, and, consequently, the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee came to an agreement on how to address the concerns of the Attorney-General. It is always important in these pieces of legislation that they are fair and that they do not contravene this very important Act\u2014the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act\u2014and in this instance the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee has done a very good job in addressing that. I do not have any more to contribute, except that I commend this bill to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022845689ce0d7d4d0193fc462da3e899fa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022845689ce0d7d4d0193fc462da3e899fa\u0022\u003EMAUREEN PUGH (National):\u003C/span\u003E It is my pleasure today to stand in support of the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Amendment Bill. It is probably not a surprise that I have no whakapapa back to Papawai, but I do have it on good authority that a friend of mine, Mr Nuk Korako\u2014his uncle, the Hon Ben Couch, whakapapas back to Papawai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the work of the hard-working MP for the Wairarapa, Alastair Scott, who has brought this private bill to the House. I also acknowledge the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, which has obviously worked together to manage the process of progressing this bill to its second reading today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Board has been managing its activities since the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Act was enacted in 1943. It distributes scholarships for post-primary education of children who have whakapapa in relation to the tangata whenua of the Wairarapa. It uses it for a wide range of uses in education and educational support\u2014that is for things such as books, clothing, grants, or even for maintenance of school buildings. That is a very honourable purpose, but one of the things that did impress me about the focus of the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Board is that one of its four goals is to make a positive contribution to the education of tamariki, which empowers wh\u0101nau. That certainly is the understanding of this Government, and we certainly, too, understand that there is no greater investment that anyone can make than the investment in our children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EAfter 73 years, the time is now right to modernise this Act so that the board has the flexibility it requires to best meet the needs of the trust in this 21st century, and to make sure, as we have heard today, that it is fit for purpose. This is a very non-contentious bill. I have pleasure in commending it to the House, and I extend my very best wishes to the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Board for its future investment in the education of its tamariki. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u0022198628399a184db39be8dbe7b304e02b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022198628399a184db39be8dbe7b304e02b\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour\u2014Hauraki-Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. Firstly, I want to join in support of my colleagues, in Labour and across the House, in supporting this bill. Alastair Scott, thank you for introducing it\u2014it was relatively painless before the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. I do not want to traverse areas that members have already covered; I would probably be of no great use to the debate of the House to cover those matters. But I think there are points of clarification that will be useful, which have not been focused on by members previously, and that is around the dual translation of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThe committee considered in part the prospect of translating this amendment bill through this process. However, we were advised by parliamentary counsel that the best way to address the issue of dual-language bills is when you are creating an entirely new Act. We thought about the precedent that it would set if we were to go down the path of drafting amendments in Te Reo M\u0101ori while the principal Act was going to remain in English, and we considered that not to be a good precedent. However, in saying that, we saw the virtues of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee starting to think about the way in which we could address the issue of dual-language bills. It just so happened, however, that Te Ture Whenua M\u0101ori Bill was the bill before us\u2014some 400-odd pages\u2014so whether or not we eventually decide to go for a dual-language bill in that particular instance remains to be seen, but it would be of a good precedent-setting nature for the committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThe other thing that is of useful comment with regard to the modernisation of this bill is the rotation of the term of office for the board. It is helpful, I believe, that in the fifty-fifty representation of the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Board they have outlined exactly how the rotation will occur and the term of office that each board member will serve. That is really to ensure that, like all good boards, there is active succession planning and rotation of members to be able to get the contribution of people to the activities of the trust.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EA lot has been said about the way in which funds will be distributed. I took some time\u2014a little bit of time\u2014to read the original bill. In terms of the distribution of grants, they were also used for residential scholarships as well, so I take it that that was to enable people to go to boarding school. That was a very real prospect in the early years in which the trust was in operation. I hazard a guess that many people went to Te Aute College and St Joseph\u2019s College, as two schools within the Wairarapa/Kahungunu area. That would have been a very useful grant for families to receive to help their kids get to school and further their education.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI want to endorse all the comments about education being a window to opportunity and a real way to lift the aspirations of people\u2014no matter where they are from and what their status is, so to speak. I know from very small communities that trusts like the Papawai Kaikokirikiri Trust have made a significant contribution to growing leaders within the M\u0101ori community, so I want to applaud that as a continued ambition of the role of the trust.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EOne minor bit of focus that I would like to draw the attention of the House to is that the select committee amended the bill to enable the trust to invest in more than just land. That is just recognising that the modern investment decisions that boards are making now go well beyond land, and should the trust want to diversify its interests, in whatever way it decides fit, the bill provides for that. I think that is a really positive move forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI also want to, like Metiria Turei, comment on the issue of the selling of land. The corpus lands remain intact, and that is very clear. However, should the trust want to purchase further lands and then sell them, that is fine\u2014they can do that, but the corpus lands remain intact. I think that comes back to the original intent of the gift that established the trust: the strong connection, since 1843, that people will have to the lands that were originally vested in the Papawai Kaikokirikiri Trust, and also to reaffirm the tangata whenua connection of the people in the Wairarapa to these lands, the benefits that come from them, and the distributions to the various aspirations of the board. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EWith that said, this has had a fairly, I would like to say speedy, but, I think, average kind of passage through the role of the select committee. We did give it some strong attention. We did not want to dilly-dally around with its progress before the committee. I want to mihi to those trust members who came to the select committee. I think they were a little bit overwhelmed with the whole select committee process, but we were all the richer for hearing from them, the aspirations of their trust, and what they want to do for the future. That just confirmed our belief that in modernising this legislation and enabling the trust to get on with its business, having some guidance that can help its operations would be a very positive and fruitful exercise to help them achieve their aspirations. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022 data-id=\u00226e9e22f91a694e4281cef7ef032a716c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226e9e22f91a694e4281cef7ef032a716c\u0022\u003EPAUL FOSTER-BELL (National):\u003C/span\u003E E Te M\u0101ngai Tuarua o Te Whare, mauri ora, e ng\u0101 mema o Te R\u014Dp\u016B Reipa kia ora t\u0101tou, e ng\u0101 mema o Te R\u014Dp\u016B K\u0101k\u0101riki t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, e ng\u0101 mema o Te R\u014Dp\u016B Aotearoa Tuatahi, kia ora, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003E[Mr Assistant Speaker, good health to you, and greetings to the members of the Labour Party, the members of the Green Party, and to the members of New Zealand First; hello and salutations to you collectively.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EIn taking a brief call on this Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Amendment Bill in this second reading debate, I want to actually agree with all that has been said by the members who have spoken so far. It is a wonderful thing\u2014particularly this week, when we started with some discord on the passage of legislation that is relevant to iwi M\u0101ori in this country\u2014that we have managed to come together and put aside some of the game playing that has been undertaken by certain parties in this House, which need not be named on this happy occasion, and, in fact, progress this piece of legislation, which does much good. It modernises an obsolete piece of legislation, updates it for the circumstances of the modern world, and gives the trust board the flexibility to operate in a way that maximises the benefit accruing to the people, particularly of the Wairarapa but, actually, to M\u0101ori people throughout New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EThis bill does a number of very practical things. It reforms the governance arrangements of the trust board so that half of the board of eight will be appointed by the local iwi. The other half will be appointed by His Grace the Bishop of Te Upoko o Te Ika, or the Anglican primate of this region in which we are currently standing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EThe whakapapa relationships of certain members in this House with the marae in question have been raised, so far be it from me to fail to follow that precedent. Unfortunately, I whakapapa to the very far north: Te Tai Tokerau. Ko Ng\u0101tikahu ki Whangaroa te iwi, ko \u014Ctangaroa te marae. [Ng\u0101tikahu ki Whangaroa is the iwi, \u014Ctangaroa is the marae.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EMy ancestor was the same as that of co-leader of the M\u0101ori Party Te Ururoa Flavell: his eponymous ancestor, the chief Te Ururoa, who was the paramount chief of Ng\u0101ti Kahu at the very start of the 19th century and also the famous victor of the battle of Koror\u0101reka, who made some significant progression south on his raids. I am not quite sure whether he got as far as the Wairarapa, but you never know. There may be some very distant cousins present in that situation. My whakapapa is somewhat more tenuous than that of others, than that of my colleagues and members opposite. I am Ng\u0101ti Kahu, not Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu, so cannot claim that direct connection. But any intelligent person, on reading this legislation, will see the benefits that will accrue to Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu and others who benefit from the use of the land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EI just want to comment on a theme that has been raised, I think particularly eloquently, by the Hon Nanaia Mahuta, which is that times have changed and that the assets of the trust board can be put to more productive and more lucrative use for the benefit of the beneficiaries of the trust than people would have imagined back in 1932 when the schoolhouse burnt down, or even in 1943, in the midst of the Second World War, when the legislation was most recently updated. In a wonderful area like the Wairarapa, which is so ably represented by my distinguished colleague Alastair Scott as its local member, you can imagine the kinds of industries that may now be the most prosperous and lucrative. Perhaps wine growing for export is a good industry to be in. Maybe high tech\u2014the lands could be used perhaps to house cloud-based server systems and offer those services all around the world. These are things that people back in the 1940s could not possibly have imagined. I commend that particular aspect of the bill as being incredibly positive. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EAs other members have stated, this bill has had thorough but not slow consideration by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, ably chaired by its wonderful chairman, Tutehounuku Korako, my distinguished colleague of noble heritage, who bears that proud name and does so much good work on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and in such a consensual way with its deputy chair and with other members\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288236b5ca4174f928b68cbe9e33abb87\u0022\u003EPita Paraone\u003C/span\u003E: Stop embarrassing him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7d27083b5c74485ba2879182434201f\u0022\u003EPAUL FOSTER-BELL\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014with Pita Paraone, who also is a very hard-working member of that committee, when his leader allows him to participate. This bill has been through the select committee process, and, as others have commented, that old saying applies: \u201CIf there isn\u2019t too much interest, if there aren\u2019t people coming in to submit, it must actually be a pretty good piece of legislation.\u201D You generally only get a huge queue, a horde, of submitters coming in to petition their case when there are flaws with the legislation. I think that is hugely positive, and it is a huge credit to Nuk Korako, to his committee, and to all of those who have played a part\u2014including the Parliamentary Counsel Office and others\u2014and have contributed to the fine-tuning of this piece of legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EIt would be remiss of me not to comment on the very nature of this bill. This is a private bill. It is actually a relatively rare and obscure form of legislative instrument that we see in this House. It is the rarest form of bill that comes here\u2014Government bills, of course, being the most common. We do see members\u2019 bills drawn regularly, and we will be dealing with some of those later today. We have local bills. Local bills are not entirely uncommon; we have had several through this year. But private bills are relatively rare. We dealt with the Royal Foundation of the Blind Act Repeal legislation, and that organisation transitioned into being just a conventional trust, like any other charity or NGO. But it is appropriate that these trusts, given their heritage, given the conditions that prevail in the area\u2014that we do not just simply repeal the previous piece of legislation, as we are doing with 124 other pieces of legislation in the Statutes Repeal Bill. It is appropriate that the bill is modernised, it is brought up to date, it is made fit for purpose, and it is done so in this way, as a private bill in the name of Alastair Scott. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EI really want to commend Alastair Scott. He is both a strong local member and someone who clearly wants to support these institutions that do a lot of good in his own community. Without much further ado\u2014actually, there is one more point I would like to make, and it is quite an important one. The committee recommends that this bill be enacted in Te Reo M\u0101ori as well as in English. We had quite a historical event earlier this year when Te Ture m\u014D Te Reo M\u0101ori / M\u0101ori Language Act became the first where the text in both languages carried equal weight. This is not a unique situation in the Commonwealth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EI had the pleasure of having dinner with the Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales earlier in the year. He also happens to be a Welshman\u2014a very proud Welshman\u2014hailing from Cardiff. He was discussing the way the Welsh Assembly in Cardiff legislates in both the Welsh language and in English. We also have a Commonwealth equivalent in the province of Quebec, in Canada. I also met the Chief Justice of Quebec. The French language is given equal weighting and bills are simultaneously dealt with in both French and English. They are debated in the House in both languages, they are drafted in both languages, and when lawyers are interpreting them they are given equal weight in both languages. Of course, when judges are ruling on them, the judges have to be completely fluent in both English and French, in both the common law tradition and the civil tradition derived from that French Napoleonic heritage that they also have in Canada. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EIt is a wonderful thing, in this bicultural, multicultural country of ours, that we are embracing the indigenous language\u2014one of New Zealand\u2019s official languages. The committee did make the recommendation that the bill be enacted in both languages, and I hope that this becomes somewhat of a precedent in this House, and that we do more and more, as the capacity allows, as the fluency in Te Reo of judges allows, and as the ability of our legal profession to deal with two languages allows. Let us give maximum opportunity for the beautiful Te Reo M\u0101ori to be used in this way, and also we should probably include New Zealand Sign Language, which is the third official language of New Zealand\u2014I had better say that, as the Minister for Disability Issues is in the House today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EThis is a very good bill. It is non-contentious. I have taken up more than enough time on extolling its virtues. It carries my full commendation to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207d42dbe-f05a-4a7a-8c23-0eecc14b72aa\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221713f598cb28430d9470e1cbaf60936c\u0022\u003ENew Plymouth District Council (Waitara Lands) Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a774b2d781af480798244798d454189c\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022 data-id=\u0022bc43427a649742e9b5d650c31289dc4b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bc43427a649742e9b5d650c31289dc4b\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG (National\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the New Plymouth District Council (Waitara Lands) Bill be now read a first time. I nominate the Local Government and Environment Committee to consider the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EE ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 hau e wh\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tau e Te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E[To the powers, languages, and the four winds, acknowledgments to us, the House, greetings, salutations and accolades to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI welcome the people of New Plymouth and Waitara to this House today, whether you are here in person or whether you are watching via television. It is a journey that is of some distance, not just from North Taranaki but through the difficult history that the people from North Taranaki have travelled. I acknowledge those who have gone before and cannot be here\u2014I acknowledge you. This is a local bill and I acknowledge the New Plymouth District Council. I acknowledge Mayor Andrew Judd, who is present today, and councillors Craig McFarlane and Colin Johnston, representing Waitara. I acknowledge the people of Te Atiawa\u2014Liana Poutu, chair of Te Kotahitanga o Te Atiawa Trust. I acknowledge the leaseholder residents of the town of Waitara. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EThe New Plymouth District Council (Waitara Lands) Bill seeks to provide a new future for the town of Waitara in North Taranaki. Waitara has just under 7,000 residents. It is a beautiful town, with the Waitara River passing through it. The views of Taranaki maunga are stunning. There are rugged surf beaches and excellent fishing, and a climate second to none in the Taranaki region. It is a classic New Zealand town, in many respects. It has a strong community. However, it has seen some challenging times, with a difficult and dark history. There are those with a strong sense that it has been held back by legislation of the past, in more ways than one. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EThe challenges for Waitara arise from its role in a pivotal moment of our country\u2019s history. Waitara was originally a Te Atiawa settlement. The Crown first attempted to purchase Waitara in 1859, against the wishes of many of the iwi, ultimately leading to the outbreak of the first Taranaki War in Waitara in 1860\u2014a war that then spread throughout New Zealand. Waitara was then confiscated, along with much of Te Atiawa\u2019s homelands, in 1865 by the Crown as retribution for the wars. The Crown has acknowledged and apologised for this grievous wrongdoing, and this House is currently considering settlement legislation for Te Atiawa in a separate piece of work and legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003ESome of that confiscated land was vested by law in the predecessors of New Plymouth District Council as endowment land. These endowments were made to enable the town to develop. Endowments were a common way of financing local authorities and public institutions in those days. The endowment land is now largely leasehold land, subject to perpetual leases. Just under one-quarter of all residential houses in Waitara have these Glasgow leases, and leaseholders have long sought to buy the land under their houses. The council is restricted to using the endowment income for a short list of outdated purposes, such as reconstructing the town\u2019s bridge if it were to fail. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EEven from this short summary of the history, it is clear that there are various and competing interests in the land held in Waitara by the council. Te Atiawa seek the return of their lands, leaseholders seek to freehold their houses, and the community is not able to best use the proceeds from the land. The council caught in the middle has attempted to resolve the issue each way in the past. Firstly, the council tried to enable leaseholders to freehold by introducing a bill into this House in 1992. That bill was stalled in select committee because of concerns for Te Atiawa\u2019s Treaty settlement. The bill was finally withdrawn in 2004, after the council agreed to sell the leasehold land to the Crown for the Crown to include it in Te Atiawa\u2019s Treaty settlement. Following 6 years of court cases brought by the leaseholders challenging that change of direction, the Crown and the council entered into a conditional sale and purchase agreement in 2010. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EUltimately, Te Atiawa negotiators decided against accepting the land in 2014. Since then, the council has worked with Te Atiawa and the community to present us with a new resolution of these issues for us to enact. The council and Te Atiawa entered into a heads of agreement on the broad principles of the bill. The council then developed the bill and consulted with the wider Waitara community. The council listened and changed aspects of its original proposal as a result of feedback, and has provided us with the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EBecause of this heads of agreement and the tripartite discussion, I entreat parties in this House to support this bill at least through to select committee, where the Local Government and Environment Committee can call for submissions and the views of different groups can be heard before this Parliament. The New Plymouth District Council (Waitara Lands) Bill provides a way forward that benefits leaseholders, Te Atiawa, and the Waitara community. It is for this House to decide whether to enable Waitara to move forward, or to continue with the problems of the past. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EThere are three main policy drivers in this bill. Firstly, the council will vest over 40 hectares of land in Te Atiawa. This includes about 13 hectares of vacant land zoned residential in the district plan and by the coastline. Te Atiawa can use this to develop a new base in their Waitara homelands. Te Atiawa will also be acknowledged as the owner of three pieces of reserve land, with the council providing day-to-day administration. There will be joint decision-making on strategic issues for these reserves, and Te Atiawa will also have the opportunity to purchase over 30 hectares of land in Waitara in the future through rights of first refusal if the council decides to sell.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003ESecondly, leaseholders will have a right to freehold. They will finally be able to buy the land underneath their family homes. Rather than being bound by 21-year rent cycles and the difficulties that brings with the banks, leaseholders will be able to become part of the normal property market. This has been long sought after by leaseholders. Those who want to continue to rent can do so safe in the knowledge that they have a statutory right to freehold at a later point. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EThirdly, the proceeds from the leasehold land will be invested back into Waitara. Proceeds from about 80 percent of the land will be split evenly between New Plymouth District Council and the Taranaki Regional Council, and proceeds from the rest of the land will go solely to New Plymouth District Council. This reflects existing statutory provisions. New Plymouth District Council will create a dedicated fund administered through a new statutory board. An equal number of appointees from New Plymouth District Council and Te Atiawa will decide how the annual releases from the funds are allocated within Waitara. Taranaki Regional Council will prioritise its funds for Waitara, and Te Atiawa will have representation on its standing committees under the Te Atiawa Claims Settlement Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EWaitara will have two local authorities holding significant funds to put back into the township. Although the size of the funding will depend on many things\u2014freeholding rates, interest rates, and so forth\u2014New Plymouth District Council and Te Atiawa could be releasing half a million dollars a year by 2020, rising to $2 million a year by 2040. This is a significant boost to a community of 7,000 people. Waitara can be progressed positively with these funds. New Plymouth District Council and Te Atiawa will be equal partners in spending these funds for the benefit of the Waitara community. These funds could be used for a wide range of social, economic, environmental, and cultural purposes, perhaps including commemorating Waitara\u2019s pivotal role in New Zealand\u2019s early history. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EThis bill enables the competing interests in the Waitara endowment lands to be resolved to varying degrees. It is a compromise, and there remain unfulfilled dreams and aspirations. However, this bill provides a way forward to benefit Waitara, Te Atiawa, and leaseholders. I look forward to the day when Waitara becomes the jewel in the crown of North Taranaki. This bill will play a pivotal role in that journey. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00229165fac263b54104a179144070b82aa2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229165fac263b54104a179144070b82aa2\u0022\u003EADRIAN RURAWHE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Hau\u0101uru):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare, otir\u0101, e tika ana kia tuku mihi atu ki Te Atiawa, ki ng\u0101 hap\u016B Manuk\u014Drihi, \u014Ctaraua, otir\u0101, ng\u0101 iwi katoa o Taranaki. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EKa huri aku whakaaro ki a r\u0101tou m\u0101 i te w\u0101hi ngaro, ki a r\u0101tou m\u0101 i hinga mai n\u0101 puta noa o Taranaki i runga i \u0113nei whenua, i runga i te whenua e k\u012Bia nei ko Pekapeka, otir\u0101, ng\u0101 whenua katoa o Taranaki. E tika ana kia tuku mihi ake ki a r\u0101tou m\u0101, otinoa ki a t\u0101tou o Te Whare nei t\u0113nei ahau tuku mihi atu an\u014D hoki ki t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker, but at the same time it is apt that I accord an accolade to Te Atiawa, the hap\u016B Manuk\u014Drihi and \u014Ctaraua, and indeed to all the iwi of Taranaki.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EMy thoughts turn to those in the place lost from view, in conjunction with all of those who have passed away throughout Taranaki on these lands and, in particular, this land called Pekapeka but indeed on all the lands of Taranaki. It is fitting that we pay a tribute to them all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI rise to speak on this bill, the New Plymouth District Council (Waitara Lands) Bill. I thank the member for New Plymouth, Jonathan Young, for his explanation, in a very brief way, of the history of this issue around the Waitara lands. It, of course, goes a lot further, and that is explained in another bill before the House, the Te Atiawa Claims Settlement Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge all of the interested parties in this particular bill, and the member for New Plymouth has outlined the competing interests associated with all of those interested parties. Can I go through a list of who I think the interested parties are, and give a message out to each and every one of them. First of all, I acknowledge the leaseholders who have lived on these lands\u2014on endowment lands with perpetual leases\u2014who, through this bill, will have the opportunity to purchase the land that they live on. I want to acknowledge Manuk\u014Drihi and \u014Ctaraua as well, the original owners of this land. I cannot help but recognise the pain that they are going through right now\u2014the pain around the loss of land from 1865. We talk about historical and intergenerational trauma; the current generation holds that trauma today. It would be wrong not to acknowledge that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EWithin the settlement process, Te Atiawa received a mandate from all of its hap\u016B, as I understand, and negotiated a settlement based on their aspirations under the mana that that mandate gave them. Could I mention at this stage that the settlement process is a flawed one, and it is incumbent upon every settlement group, every iwi that enters into that process, to understand what the process can deliver, what it will never deliver, and whether or not they can live with it. That is the most important thing in that process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EWe find ourselves in this House having two bills before it. We are debating this one here around the Waitara endowment land, but there is another bill before this House that will be debated tomorrow, and that is the Te Atiawa Claims Settlement Bill. Within that bill the rights of Manuk\u014Drihi and the rights of \u014Ctaraua will be extinguished by that bill, and the settlement that they will receive for their lands is within that bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EWe on this side of the House\u2014along with everyone in this House, I believe\u2014believe in the endurance of all settlements, and the Te Atiawa bill, like every other settlement bill, must endure. It has been through a process, it has been accepted by their people, and one day in the near future that deed of settlement will be enabled by an Act of Parliament. But I still feel strongly for the people of Manuk\u014Drihi and \u014Ctaraua. Their rights under that bill will be extinguished, and I think it should be noted in this House today. They will never give up their fight to have that land returned\u2014that is very clear. They will never forget. They will carry it generation to generation, and it is an unfortunate thing that it was not able to be settled to their satisfaction through the Te Atiawa settlement bill. But that is an issue, really, for Te Atiawa and ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Te Atiawa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EWe have our part to play as parliamentarians because we enable those settlement claims. Te Kotahitanga o Te Atiawa Trust is an interested party, as well, with competing interests. Through this bill there will be land transferred to Te Atiawa from the council. They will sit at the table that makes the decisions around how the money that is collected through that trust is distributed. They have an interest in that they will make up 50 percent of that trust. The New Plymouth District Council also\u2014and I acknowledge the presence of the Mayor of New Plymouth, Andrew Judd, and councillors\u2014has a competing interest as well, I believe. Its interest is to take into account the needs of its community, the needs of Waitara, the needs of the leaseholders, and the needs of the iwi who are within its rohe. So it has an interest as well. The Waitara community under this bill has an interest. The Waitara community will be the beneficiaries of the collection of the rents on the leasehold properties, and they will be the beneficiaries also of the sale of the leasehold lands. So they have an interest in this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ESo with so many interests\u2014conflicting interests\u2014what is the thing that we as responsible parliamentarians should be doing? I believe, and my party believes, that the best way forward for all of the interested parties is that they make submissions to the select committee so that the bill can be thoroughly examined by the select committee and so that everyone with interests in this bill has their say. So to each one of those competing interested parties, I say to all of you that you must ensure that you have your say. You must make sure that you give the select committee compelling arguments and reasons as to why your interests should be above someone else\u2019s. That is really up to the communities, the interested parties in this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EMy preference actually is that this bill goes to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. I think it ought to go there. It is well led by Nuk Korako, and the membership of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee would have an in-depth knowledge and skill and ability to decipher all of the issues associated with the competing interests on this bill. I highly recommend that we do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThere are some aspirational things also about this bill. The future of Waitara\u2014what it might look like in the future. Would it not be wonderful if we could address all of those issues through the iwi, through the hap\u016B, through the wider Waitara community, and all of the parties interested so that we could get to a place where Waitara can truly move forward so that it can use the benefits of this trust, if that is what the people of Waitara want?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, k\u0101ore e roa t\u0113nei t\u016B, k\u0101ore e kore \u0101 te w\u0101 ka tukuna atu \u0113tahi atu k\u014Drero ki t\u0113nei pire. M\u0101 te w\u0101 ka whakarite m\u0101tou i t\u0101 m\u0101tou t\u016B i runga i t\u0113nei pire m\u0113n\u0101 ka p\u014Dti, ka tautoko ai, ka whakah\u0113 ai r\u0101nei. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora mai t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Therefore, this contribution is not a long one, and without a doubt other contributions will be made on this bill. In time we will deliberate our stance on this bill and vote whether to support or oppose it. So congratulations and accolades to you collectively, my appreciation to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022425f7545e7fc4130b7adf94b67b37bdf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022425f7545e7fc4130b7adf94b67b37bdf\u0022\u003EBARBARA KURIGER (National\u2014Taranaki - King Country):\u003C/span\u003E I would also like to acknowledge Mayor Andrew Judd and councillors McFarlane and Johnston, who are with us today. It is a pleasure to stand and take a call on this bill. The previous speaker, Adrian Rurawhe, referred to parties understanding what their needs are, and I would like to make a comment that getting to this point in this piece of legislation has taken many, many years to build. It is like doing a jigsaw, and I acknowledge the many, many parties, including the council and the people of Waitara and Te Atiawa, who have all put some conciliatory efforts into making this work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EI just want to talk today about a change in conversation that might enable us again to hear the words of W\u012Bremu K\u012Bngi Te Rangitake, a 19th century Waitara chief of great influence and authority. As a leader of Te Atiawa, he spoke for the original owners of these lands. W\u012Bremu K\u012Bngi often wrote of his wish for friendly relations with P\u0101keh\u0101 settlers, but he did not believe he should have to sell the land to achieve this result. Just before the first shots were fired at Waitara, W\u012Bremu K\u012Bngi wrote a letter to Donald MacLean, the Chief Land Purchase Commissioner in the 1850s. Protesting the pressure to sell, K\u012Bngi wrote: \u201CThese lands will not be given by us into the Governor\u2019s and your hands, lest we resemble the sea-birds which perch upon a rock, when the tide flows the rock is covered by the sea, and the birds take flight, for they have no resting place.\u201D But war and the legislative confiscation of the land did follow, forcing many Te Atiawa families to become the seabirds that K\u012Bngi predicted, and those seabirds are still with us to the present day. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003ESo in speaking to this piece of legislation, where there are many parts to the redress, I say, firstly, the council will vest over 40 hectares of land in Te Atiawa. Secondly, leaseholders will have a right to freehold, and they will finally be able to buy the land underneath their family homes. I know from my own memories that this has caused a lot of grief to a lot of people\u2014not only the local residents of Waitara but the people going back to the 1800s\u2014and I look forward to working through this bill to get some resolution. Thirdly, the proceeds from the leasehold land will be invested back into Waitara, and I think that is important because not only Te Atiawa but Waitara and everyone have moved forward in this process. So I am really pleased that we are actually at this point now where we can start doing something, because it has been very divisive.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c05d9efd100e4ec786baa944b7a85c85\u0022\u003EBARBARA KURIGER\u003C/span\u003E: It is a pleasure to complete my call on this bill. It is a really important piece of legislation because it is going to remove those statutory restrictions and enable rental and sale proceeds to be used for the wider benefit of the Waitara community, and that is something extremely important. So it will provide lessees the option to buy their leasehold properties from the council. Under the terms of the bill, Te Atiawa will receive 13 hectares of vacant residential land that is termed the Brown Road land, titles to three reserves currently administered by the New Plymouth District Council, referred to as the transfer land, and the right of first refusal over the sites where Ranfurly Park and the Waitara Golf Club now sit, if the council wishes to dispose of either section in the next 172 years. The Waitara Golf Club, which is part of this legislation, is in the Taranaki - King Country electorate, and I just have to declare that I have played one game of golf in my life, really badly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c43cd23ce0441469d57cfd82bbda3bf\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: You were very good.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d16c200c220c4df98872ae4f322d1533\u0022\u003EBARBARA KURIGER\u003C/span\u003E: And I was very bad.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003ESo, again, I just want to acknowledge in the short time I have got left the amount of effort that the council, Te Atiawa, and the people of Waitara have put into getting us to this point. It is a pleasure to be standing and taking a call, and I would just like to say: t\u016Bngia te ururua, kia tupu whakaritorito te tupu o te harakeke\u2014clear away the encumbrances so that the new growth of the harakeke can flourish. It is my pleasure to commend this bill to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022 data-id=\u00224f11ab2e9d454a14b95069d7d85c46b4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224f11ab2e9d454a14b95069d7d85c46b4\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Deputy Speaker, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou Te Whare nui o t\u0113nei p\u014D. He mihi nui ki te mana whenua o Waitara, Te Manukorihi hap\u016B me te wh\u0101nau, Te Atiawa, notably Te Kotahitanga o Te Atiawa, me ng\u0101 tangata Tiriti katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, and greetings to you of this great House collectively this evening. I extend a huge acknowledgment to the mandated authority of Waitara, Te Manukorihi hap\u016B and wh\u0101nau, and notably the confederation of Te \u0100tiawa plus all Treaty people.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EAcknowledgments to Mayor Andrew Judd and the New Plymouth District Council. Mayor Andrew Judd and I walked together some of the last day of the h\u012Bkoi to Parihaka. We walked for peace. I am not sure this is peace yet. Andrew Judd and I were at a hui last week on finding an end to institutional racism. I am not sure that this bill, despite its best intentions, achieves that yet. Another h\u012Bkoi, Peace for Pekapeka, took place today. Their kaupapa is they want peace too, and they want their land back. We support that kaupapa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EThe people of Waitara have a history like no other and a place in the history of Aotearoa like no other. They could change history by stepping up to healing the extreme raupatu in the rohe, which was committed against the tangata whenua. Despite the efforts of many people and the council, this bill is not the healing if it allows land to be freehold and then sold, taking away the people\u2019s hopes for justice for ever. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EThe Green Party has grave concerns about the bill, but, in dialogue with Taranaki M\u0101ori women who oppose it and Te Atiawa negotiators, we have decided to support it to the select committee with no guarantee that we will vote for it any further. We do this because the voice of the least powerful hap\u016B members who marched today must be heard by this Parliament. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EHowever, our co-leader Metiria Turei is putting forward a second select committee nomination\u2014that this bill go to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee\u2014which she will speak to in her speech on this bill. We ask the other parties to support this because, call it what we like, this is a Treaty issue. It is about breaches, violence, and colonisation against Te Atiawa hap\u016B katoa. The M\u0101ori Affairs Committee is the best place to hear these painful truths. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EThis bill has been described as an effort to balance competing interests. I do not accept that. The leaseholders who accepted perpetual leasehold homes at least have the security of their leases, but the mana whenua have no security through this bill. The homes and the whenua can be sold; many will be. This is a form of alienation, a modern form and a permanent form. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003ETe Rangitake and the people of the land were stripped of their rights. The war against them began. The perpetual leases were not paid to them but to the Land Court. They were not deemed fit to receive their own money. They still do not get direct benefit of the rent. They get small blocks of land, and they get to be part of a committee that makes a decision about the money for the benefit of the wider Waitara community. That is not returning stolen goods. That is a compromise, and we acknowledge Te Atiawa\u2019s effort for that compromise, and the council, and everyone. But we have not healed the wrong. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EMoana Jackson says that these are not land wars that we should be addressing; they are sovereignty wars. And, actually, they continue until we P\u0101keh\u0101 and the Crown find another way. I pray that this bill is amended strongly to address mana whenua rights at the select committee, because we cannot support it any further without that change. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EWhen we walked to Parihaka, we attempted to build a bridge of peace through the land, but P\u0101keh\u0101 have to step up, councils and citizens, and say that we are the ones who hold the power. We are the ones who have enjoyed the privileges of those perpetual leases and the privileges of the use of the lands, the vast quantity of land that was taken under raupatu. We actually need to be more generous than this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI understand the dilemmas that are faced, and I understand why Te Atiawa have supported this, but read the Pekapeka history. Read how the imperial troops came. Read how the history of this country was changed by the greed and hunger for land. We cannot allow ourselves to believe that these huge compromises are the final piece. If they were the final piece there would not have been a h\u012Bkoi today. The people marched today because they want to be heard. The least we can do in this House is make sure the bill goes to the right select committee, where they have a chance to be heard, because if there is no peace in Waitara there will be no peace in Aotearoa. We have to do better and we have to do more. It is on this House and my culture to step up. It is not balancing interests; it is justice that we need to make. Kia ora koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022 data-id=\u0022efcaa74a206c4137879cb45d0ef970a4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022efcaa74a206c4137879cb45d0ef970a4\u0022\u003ECARMEL SEPULONI (Labour\u2014Kelston):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora. It is a privilege for me to stand and speak to this bill. Just a couple of months ago I was in Waitara with my colleague the MP for Te Tai Hau\u0101uru, Adrian Rurawhe, and our Labour leader, Andrew Little. We were walking up the road and actually ran into a former teacher at one of the schools I went to. Her name was Mrs Kearns. During that visit Mrs Kearns said to me: \u201CWe want to see you stand up and speak to bills about Waitara, Carmel.\u201D Andrew Little and, I think, Adrian heard that, so here I am tonight speaking to a bill on Waitara. I do so in relation to this bill with some trepidation as I am fully aware of the tensions and competing interests in relation to this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EI did have the privilege of being born and raised in Waitara. I am not M\u0101ori\u2014I am Samoan, Tongan, and New Zealand European\u2014but with teachers like Tiri Bailey, Hone Niwa, Whero Bailey, and also Te Kauhoe Wano, who, unfortunately, has passed away, I did grow up with many insights into the history of Waitara, the atrocities that have been inflicted on the mana whenua of Waitara, the illegal and mass confiscation of land, and the impact that those atrocities have had on the generations that followed. Much of that history, those atrocities, and the impact of them have been understated in our history books. I think that is the starting point for me speaking on this bill tonight.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EIt is of no surprise to me that tensions have arisen in regard to this bill and in respect of what it proposes. I think it is important to reflect on what the bill is attempting to do before I go into some of the reservations that I do have. In brief, land was confiscated by the Crown from Waitara hap\u016B in 1865. Those confiscations were illegal. In 1876 the Crown vested land in the Waitara Harbour Board and the Raleigh Town Board for harbour improvement and municipal development. During the next 70 years further land was vested in the New Plymouth District Council\u2019s predecessors for those purposes. As a consequence of a series of local government amalgamations the land is now vested in New Plymouth District Council.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EFor some time, issues surrounding the council-owned land at Waitara have been divisive for the Waitara community. Some leaseholders have sought to freehold the land and Te Atiawa have argued for the return of the land. The council has argued that existing statutory restrictions that affect the Waitara endowment land are outdated and restrict the ability of the council to use the land and any income derived from it. This bill would remove those statutory restrictions and enable rental and sales proceeds to be used for the wider benefit of the Waitara community. The bill would provide lessees with the option to buy their leasehold property from the council.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EThat history was an overly simplistic version of events, but in the 5 minutes I have to speak about this bill I am, unfortunately, unable to do justice to the history. Just last week the New Plymouth District Council and Taranaki Regional Council met with us, with members of our caucus, to provide a very thorough briefing on this issue, and I acknowledge them for that. I acknowledge those who have worked on this issue\u2014some for decades. I also acknowledge tonight that we do have councillors here\u2014Craig McFarlane and Colin Johnston\u2014and we also have the Mayor of New Plymouth, Andrew Judd, who is absolutely passionate about this issue as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EAs my colleague has said, we are supporting this bill to the select committee, but there is no guarantee at this stage that we will support it the whole way through. We are absolutely aware of the competing interests here. We are absolutely aware of some of the individuals who have stepped up from the hap\u016B in Waitara, and we need to take all of those voices into consideration. Some who are big critics of this particular bill and what it is attempting to do might question why we in the House are even supporting it to the select committee, but I think it is important\u2014and my colleagues on this side of the House believe it is important\u2014that we hear from all of the stakeholders, we hear from the leaseholders, we hear from the community of Waitara, and we hear from the very people who come from the hap\u016B of Manuk\u014Drihi and \u014Ctaraua. And we can hear from them on this issue only if we allow this to go to a select committee. I do believe that this is not one of those issues that will be used as a political football in this House and that we all have the best intentions here to work towards a good result for Waitara, for the hap\u016B in Waitara, and for all those who are affected by this in Waitara. So we work together in good faith.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EI do acknowledge my colleague and the MP for Te Tai Hau\u0101uru, Adrian Rurawhe, who was our lead on the side of the House for this. I absolutely acknowledge the fact that he has his head around the detail on this and will continue to lead us in respect of this issue. So we will support this bill to the select committee and then we look forward to receiving the submissions from the many different groups that have a vested interest in what is happening here. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022 data-id=\u00220cdfa6c7cc464b5da3c7256abeb19a2c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220cdfa6c7cc464b5da3c7256abeb19a2c\u0022\u003ENUK KORAKO (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101, n\u014D reira huri noa i Te Whare nei he mihi atu ki a koutou katoa. \u0100, t\u0113nei te mihi ki Te Kaunihera o Ng\u0101motu. Ng\u0101 mihi, nau mai, haere mai ki Te Whare P\u0101remata ki a koutou Te Kaunihera o Ng\u0101motu. N\u014D reira, e mihi atu ana ki a koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, and so acknowledgments to you all throughout the House. I extend a welcome to the New Plymouth District Council. Acknowledgments, salutations, welcome to Parliament House to you, the council of New Plymouth. Therefore, I commend you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EIt is indeed my pleasure to be able to speak in the first reading of the New Plymouth District Council (Waitara Lands) Bill. I am speaking here as part of the Government but also as the chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, particularly around a perceived issue of whether this bill should be at the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee or at the Local Government and Environment Committee. My whakaaro here is that we can show true kotahitanga in the way that, first of all, the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee is dealing with the Te Atiawawa ki Taranaki Treaty settlement bill. What better way to actually show that kotahitanga, and particularly working in with an organisation that truly believes in a resolution. To me, in doing that, it is important that we actually travel this road, we go on this journey together, as the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee to do our work with the Te Atiawawa Claims Settlement Bill and then also allow Te Kaunihera-\u0101-Rohe o Ng\u0101motu, or the New Plymouth District Council, to actually do their work so that we are actually hoe-ing this waka together in the right direction. So that is my whakaaro on that situation around where this bill should actually find its home.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI want to also start with acknowledging Jonathan Young. Jonathan is the very hard-working, locally connected MP for New Plymouth, and I want to congratulate him on the work he has done along with the New Plymouth District Council to bring this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThis bill addresses some land issues in Waitara, an area that has been the site of some of the most contentious episodes in New Zealand history. It was in 1865 when land in Waitara was confiscated from Te Atiawa by the Crown. It is a wrong that is only now being corrected, with the Te Atiawawa Claims Settlement Bill that is currently before this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThe situation in Waitara now is that much of the town\u2019s land is vested in the council as an endowment, but in a way that heavily restricts how the land may be used. One-quarter of all homes in Waitara are on this land, with a perpetual lease. The residents of these homes have long sought to freehold their land but are currently not allowed to do so. The income that the council receives from these leases can be used only in very specific ways that are not necessarily what the community needs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThere are three main groups with competing interests in the land: Te Atiawa would like their land returned\u2014ideally, all of it\u2014leaseholders would like the power to freehold their land, and the council would like to be able to use the funds from leases or the freeholding process. This bill is a compromise that balances these competing aims through the following three main provisions. The council will vest over 40 hectares of land in Te Atiawa, allowing the iwi to add to the economic base they will begin building with in the upcoming Treaty settlement. The leaseholders will also gain a right to freehold, and proceeds from the leasehold land will be vested back into Waitara. That is the really important part of this. A lot of the land that is vested back into Waitara through the New Plymouth District Council and Taranaki Regional Council\u2014so a lot of the administration, statutory boards, equal appointees from the New Plymouth District Council\u2014is actually about kotahitanga. It is about actually working together as part of the completion of this particular process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003ETe Atiawa would like their land returned, and we know that, but they have actually agreed, even in discussions and k\u014Drero with them during the Treaty settlement bill\u2014they actually see a true resolution coming out of here, working together in unity with the council itself. I think when we look at the commercial redress from this bill, actually everyone wins. It is estimated that this could result in half a million dollars per year going back into the community by 2020. So it is a win-win\u2014you know, $2 million by 2040. I commend this bill to the House. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022 data-id=\u00228fe441175c7f4ab388e601364c35aa93\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228fe441175c7f4ab388e601364c35aa93\u0022\u003EPITA PARAONE (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, t\u0113n\u0101 hoki t\u0101tou e noho nei i roto i Te Whare nei. Kei te tautoko i ng\u0101 mihi i mihingia ki w\u0101 t\u0101tou manuhiri e noho n\u0101 kei runga, n\u0101 reira, e Te Koromatua me ng\u0101 mema o Te Kaunihera, nau mai, haere mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E[Thank you, and acknowledgments as well to us seated here in this House. I endorse the tributes accorded to our visitors seated above, and so welcome to you, Mr Mayor and members of the council, come hither.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI take this opportunity of supporting the sentiments of welcome to the mayor and members of his council. Can I say from the outset that recent events that have seen the mayor make the decision to not stand again, I think, reflect on the situation surrounding the history of this land and the divisive thinking amongst members of that particular community. I think there are enough compelling reasons to have this bill referred to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, but at the end of the day it will be the decision of this House as to whether or not that should be the case.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI want to say from the outset that this is like a settlement bill. It is not a settlement bill in the sense that we have come to know them\u2014and which we will know more of tomorrow, and, hopefully, on Friday\u2014but this certainly has the elements of a settlement. As has been articulated by previous speakers, there are three parties involved: leaseholders, the original owners, of course, and the local body. Quite clearly, because of the position taken by the descendants of the original owners, we have got to the situation where this bill has come before the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI want to commend the people of Te Atiawa. Like all settlement bills, the iwi involved do make some very, very great sacrifices. Although they may have been offered the total land block for a sum that may seem a bit high\u2014but, in context, I think was pretty low\u2014they chose not to accept that offer, and now we have got to the stage where this bill will see at least 40 hectares returned to them. I want to remind this House that in the late 1980s or early 1990s, there were\u2014and the farmers in the area will appreciate this\u2014perpetual leases on farmland known as the west coast land leases, where farmers had similar arrangements, albeit in relation to farmland, to the leaseholders whom we are talking about in this bill. That problem was resolved. It was resolved by the Crown making some recompense to the farmers to allow them to forgo their perpetual right to lease that land. In fact, originally, the M\u0101ori landowners were not offered anything. I can say with pride that there was one party, which is in this House, that was then responsible for ensuring that the iwi of Taranaki received compensation as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EWith the time that I have got left to me, I want to say that New Zealand First will certainly be supporting this bill to the select committee, because I think it is going to be a very interesting time for this bill during that process. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022 data-id=\u0022d3a7a3356cb44fe7afd0092671dd2d59\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d3a7a3356cb44fe7afd0092671dd2d59\u0022\u003EHon TE URUROA FLAVELL (Co-Leader\u2014M\u0101ori Party):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Deputy Speaker, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa. Ka mihi r\u0101 ki te \u0101huatanga o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero, ki ng\u0101 manuhiri kua tae mai i t\u0113nei p\u014D, haere mai, ka mutu ki a t\u0101tau e noho nei, \u0101, i roto i t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, and salutations to us all. I acknowledge the tenor of the contributions, and to the visitors who have arrived here this evening, I welcome you and, furthermore, us seated here in this House of ours.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003ECan I join with other speakers in acknowledging the member who is sponsoring this bill, Jonathan Young, and thank him for the opportunity to meet with the New Plymouth District Council and with Mayor Andrew Judd, who came to my office last week to give us some overview about this particular bill\u2014and members of the council as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EI have got to say that I know this area well. I know many of the people involved, and I heard Carmel Sepuloni talking about Te Kauhoe Wano, a good friend. So it is nice to know those connections\u2014and, of course, your connection there too, Mr Deputy Speaker, to Te Tai Hau\u0101uru. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EWhat I said to the council and to the mayor was that in these sorts of cases, if iwi will give support to these sorts of bills, then we are prepared to give support as well. This week has been sort of a strange week. At the beginning of the week we had a h\u012Bkoi from Ng\u0101ti Ruanui coming down to tell us that they wanted no more mining on the west coast. We also had a h\u012Bkoi in Waitara, today, I think, at \u014Cwae Marae, where a number of the hap\u016B members were a little bit unhappy with decisions made by their trusts, and I will come to them shortly. We have also had the debacle with regard to no discussions on bills on Friday, and then, of course, today we have this bill, so Taranaki is in the limelight for this particular week. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EBe that as it may, I know many of the people involved had to come to some sort of a decision about how we are going to go with this particular bill. On the one hand, we have a trust, Te Kotahitanga o Te Atiawa Trust, which is a post-settlement governance entity. It is a private trust with the purpose of receiving Treaty settlement assets, and holding, managing, and administering the trust fund for the benefit of its members. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EIn August 2014 the district council and the trust entered into an agreement to start having the discussion about the Waitara endowment lands. Since entering into the heads of agreement, both parties have been engaging\u2014and I heard that story very much from the mayor and the council members and representatives, and I also took the opportunity to ring those of Te Atiawa to try to see where things had landed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EOn the one hand, I know that there are people who disagree with this particular bill\u2014absolutely\u2014because they were marching in the streets of Waitara today. I have got to say that this is not about Treaty settlements; this is about a specific issue with regard to the endowment lands. But, in a sense, they are actually almost tied together because they came about from raupatu, so you cannot get away from that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EOn the one hand, the group that is stuck with this particular situation\u2014and there are all sorts of players in it: the leaseholders, the council, the Government, Te Atiawa, those opposed, the hap\u016B, the r\u016Bnanga, those who signed it a fair few years ago, and those who are now stuck with having to make decisions. It is not a nice situation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EI have to say that under the situation that we have, the M\u0101ori Party has no choice but to support the bill in its first reading. I endorse the comments that have been made already by people like Carmel Sepuloni and Pita Paraone. Why? To allow the iwi to come forward and have their say. After that, I have got to say\u2014I rang Mayor Andrew Judd and I told him, and I do not know whether I have caught up with the member Jonathan Young\u2014all bets are off. I am not too sure. We have just got to see what is going to happen after that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EIt will be disastrous if we cannot advance it, but on the other hand, Te Atiawa, through the trust, has also said that they have some concerns. In fact, they set some of those out to me. So, although on the one hand they do want to advance and they say specifically that in terms of the discussion with Te Atiawa, it has been about the transfer of some land in Waitara to Te Atiawa, the right of leaseholders to freehold their property, the lifting of restrictions on how to proceed from the endowment lands and how they can be used, the establishment of a statutory board, etc., etc.\u2014there are other bits and pieces in the bill. In the short time I have, I am not going to go into them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003ETe Atiawa say that there actually are some key outstanding issues that they want to take up. For example, in the current bill there is the appointment of the chair of the joint board by the council. They suggest that actually they could leave it over to the board itself, as opposed to the council making the appointment\u2014leave it to the board. They do not necessarily want to do it themselves. They say that there is no ability for Te Atiawa to have a first right of refusal over residential and commercial properties that the council may dispose of into the future. Of course, when you are talking land in Taranaki, these sorts of issues are serious stuff. In respect of the ability of the Taranaki Regional Council to apply its portion of the proceeds from the land outside Waitara, that is a debatable issue that they do not feel very comfortable about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EThere are other bits and pieces that will come up in the select committee. I am hoping, of course, as we refer it on to it\u2014and I am comfortable with the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee\u2014that we can actually tease some of those issues apart and get a better feel from the community, and in particular about Te Atiawa. I do not envy the select committee the job because it is a hard job, and in one way or another not everyone is going to win, but the hope will be that by putting it into a select committee process, allowing the process to go ahead, we will hear the views of the community and the council and then be able to make informed decisions from there. Ka nui te mihi, kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u0022197f7e34269644e1980c5476712b2a6f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022197f7e34269644e1980c5476712b2a6f\u0022\u003EMEKA WHAITIRI (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, otir\u0101, ng\u0101 mema o Te Whare nei t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[Thank you, but at the same time my acknowledgments to us all, members of this House, greetings.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI am pleased to take a call on the New Plymouth District Council (Waitara Lands) Bill, and can I too first acknowledge Mayor Judd and his fellow councillors who are here in the gallery. I also want to acknowledge the Minister for M\u0101ori Development, the Hon Te Ururoa Flavell, particularly for his comment around supporting this bill going to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. I am a member of the Local Government and Environment Committee. It is a very, very hard-working select committee, but I do want to acknowledge that although this bill is not a Treaty settlement bill, it is still addressing very fundamental parts of every Treaty settlement that we have in this House, which are land loss and how land was taken. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIf we look at the history in this case, I am reminded of my own iwi of Rongowhakaata in Gisborne in the 1860s, when wars were declared on the locals in Gisborne, or T\u016Branga-nui-a-Kiwa, in about 1865. When I was reading this particular history of Taranaki, I could see an absolute resemblance to my own in Gisborne. A million acres was taken. Our land battle over there was called Waerenga a Hika, and in Taranaki, it was Pekapeka. We have got to acknowledge and understand our own history and those wars, because at that time there was a need to get more land for our settling communities, and I am pretty sure that this House had a role in that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo let us fast forward. We are now in 2016 and, of course, the land that is in question here resides with the council, but we cannot overlook the fact of the history of how the council came upon that land. So here we are debating, and I support this side. We will go to a select committee and we want all the stakeholders\u2014and they are numerous, and they have been covered by previous speakers in this House. There are the leaseholders, there is the community of Waitara, there is the city council, and, of course, there are the hap\u016B of Waitara itself. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EYes, we are dealing with the Treaty settlement bills through a separate process, but they are actually indivisible, because we are talking about whenua, and we are also talking about a history that happened to a particular people in this country\u2014namely, the hap\u016B of Waitara. By simply saying \u201CWell, we addressed your issues through the Te \u0100tiawa settlement. This is a completely different matter.\u201D, I think we are overlooking, and I think we are being naive. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI do want to acknowledge that when I read through the purpose of this bill, I can see the concessions that have been made by the council in trying to set this joint committee up, which will have both Te Atiawa representatives and the council on it, and I want to acknowledge that. But I do believe that we have to actually allow the hap\u016B, the community, the councillors, and everybody else the right to have a say on what this actually means. That is why I wanted to make a contribution around looking forward, and supporting and acknowledging the member for New Plymouth, Jonathan Young, for bringing this bill to the House\u2014and, honestly, like everybody else has said, it is like a can of worms, and I want to acknowledge everybody\u2019s attempt to try to address it, from the council to the local people, to the local member, and to my own colleague Adrian Rurawhe here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIt is a can of worms, but that is New Zealand\u2019s history. That is New Zealand\u2019s history. It is a can of worms, and we cannot put up that can of worms and think that we can deal with it in a linear way. There are interrelated relationships, and our history is tied up in this bill\u2014this bill reflects a part of our history that led to a whole lot of hurt and a sense of loss of identity. If we, through this House, can enable the healing of that history by giving all those parties a fair shot, then I think we have done our job not just as parliamentarians but as legislators. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo, with that short contribution, I really do hope that the member takes on board the comments by the Minister for M\u0101ori Development and supports this bill going to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, simply because of the tikanga around awhi and manaaki\u2014and supports those hap\u016B, particularly, to come forth and share their story about the impact of this, as well as all the other vested stakeholders. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022 data-id=\u0022a2d0b6021e48442e95aa62f8dd634a9d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a2d0b6021e48442e95aa62f8dd634a9d\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E I have submitted to the Clerk a nomination for the select committee for this bill and that nomination is that the bill goes to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, not to the Local Government and Environment Committee. Before I go into the reasons why, I just want to describe the process of what will happen with that nomination. I am urging members to vote\u2014actually, I am urging one of two things: either Jonathan Young may well want to change his motion and send the bill to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and it is in his power to do that, or, if he chooses not to, I urge members to vote against the motion to send the bill to the Local Government and Environment Committee. If that motion fails and the No vote wins, then my nomination to send it to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee will come to the floor of the House and we can vote for it to go to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EThis is not an attempt to hijack what the council is trying to do. It is enormously controversial, what the council is doing with this land, and although the parties in Waitara have been trying to work together to get it to this point, we too have been in contact with Te Atiawa and we know that there are still very serious concerns. We know that there are concerns from others in the community who marched today and who are deeply fearful that this bill will be, in effect, another raupatu.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003ESo then the question is: which of the select committees in this Parliament has the expertise to deal with both the legal issues that arise out of a local bill and the Treaty issues, the M\u0101ori issues, that arise out of this bill? There is only one such committee that has the general legal expertise to deal with legislation and has the specific expertise to work on issues where there is a deep M\u0101ori complexity\u2014Treaty complexity\u2014to it. This bill has that complexity, and this is why the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee members should be the ones who consider this bill. Only they have the breadth of experience across all those stakeholders that Te Ururoa Flavell talked about and others have talked about to make sure that all of those interests are, as some have described, balanced\u2014I do not agree with that approach, but that may be some way\u2014but, more importantly, that all of those people who are involved with this legislation have a place to go where the members who sit on that committee understand the complexity of all of those issues.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EI do not think we should be sending this bill to the Local Government and Environment Committee, because those members do not have the experience of dealing with complex Tiriti issues around land confiscations and raupatu. That select committee is not designed for that purpose. The M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and the members on that committee are themselves legislators. Those members know how to deal with general law and they are members of other select committees\u2014as with Meka Whaitiri, who is on the Local Government and Environment Committee\u2014but they also have the particular expertise that will need to be applied to this bill if all of the stakeholders are to have some comfort that they will get a hearing where they are understood and where the issues that they bring will be understood by the members in their consideration.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EBecause of the potential of this bill to be in another raupatu against iwi who have already suffered enormous harm\u2014as we in this House know; we have dealt with this before\u2014it is absolutely critical that that iwi has the opportunity to put its case to those who understand the complexity of it, which is why we are putting forward this second nomination. I have enormous faith in the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee to be able to deal with the complexity of this bill. I believe that if this Parliament does agree\u2014as we seem to have been\u2014that there are serious Treaty issues here to deal with, it is the right thing to do to send it to the committee that is best competent to deal with M\u0101ori issues and with the legal issues inherent in it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EAnd I would hope, actually, that the council will agree. I hope that the council itself, which has been moving on issues\u2014and there has been a lot of controversy and discussion about M\u0101ori issues through this council\u2014would agree that it is important for the M\u0101ori issues, the Treaty issues, to be dealt with fairly, by those who have the most expertise. So it may well be that in just a few minutes\u2019 time we have an opportunity to do a good thing for the community and make sure that this bill has the proper hearing that it should have, with the select committee that has the expertise to deal with it competently. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022 data-id=\u0022dabe22f70dde4a3987d414e87e44b259\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dabe22f70dde4a3987d414e87e44b259\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG (National\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E I would like to thank all the contributing speakers. Thank you very much for the genuine contributions and, in particular, for your depth of understanding of the issues. I believe that means that we as a Parliament can make some positive progress, as best as possible, on understanding the incredible complexity of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EAs I stated in my first speech, the confiscation of land occurred in 1865, but it started prior to that. It goes right back into the nub of the relationship between Europeans and M\u0101ori, and has been, in a sense, very much a part of the DNA and development of this nation. Coming to this place, to this House, to look at this issue, is it a settlement bill? I think it is bigger than that. It is a nation bill. It is a bill that is about New Zealand. Yes, it is addressing the confiscations. It is addressing all of those issues. It is addressing how the New Plymouth District Council has sought to work with all the competing parties around this to come to a conclusion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EThank you to Adrian Rurawhe, who identified the various competing elements of the community. It is sad that we have a reasonably small community of 7,000 people who have such competing interests. Would it not be great if, through this process, we can work in a very integral way so that we could see a community come together and collaborate and not be competitive but be supportive? Thank you, Carmel Sepuloni, for your very good comments and your deep understanding, not only because you have lived there but because you have also kept in contact with many of the people. I think that is a good, good thing. Thank you very much, Catherine Delahunty, for your comments and the willingness that you have to support this bill to select committee. We have a bill on the table, and I think that what is incredibly important is that we all commit to sit around that table and discuss these issues.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI have heard the requests that this bill go to a select committee other than the one I nominated. You would have heard and seen us having quite a discussion here amongst ourselves, and I have been in discreet contact with the originators of the bill. There is an openness for it to go to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. In this regard, I think I could say that this is a measure of our willingness to cooperate around this and to try to find a common way through. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI think that what we want to see is this community and the past resolved. We want to have a vision for the future. We want to see a people who have been injured healed. We want to see people today who have a sense that Waitara is their home\u2014both M\u0101ori and non-M\u0101ori. We want them to be able to feel settled and to feel, together, that it is their community. Would it not be great if this Parliament could help in that process? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI commend this bill to the House, and we make the recommendation that it go to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EBill read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the New Plymouth District Council (Waitara Lands) Bill be referred to the Local Government and Environment Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EQuestion not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022 data-id=\u00229ea6a13270c1478f8363765eb9c763b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229ea6a13270c1478f8363765eb9c763b9\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E I nominate the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee to consider the New Plymouth District Council (Waitara Lands) Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the New Plymouth District Council (Waitara Lands) Bill be referred to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EQuestion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022297e7c201483464fa5c4b2c2952a2281\u0022\u003EPublic Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ab384e4f82334c308823fedf0a85fe37\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000581\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 24 August.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022 data-id=\u0022f1c39719cee54edf9fce7c5d75617b4a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f1c39719cee54edf9fce7c5d75617b4a\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e Te Whare nui. Not one more acre. Tangata whenua means people of the land, not a landless people. Tangata whenua means people who have land. That remaining land needs to stay in their hands. Not one more acre. No more public works confiscations. The Government has a responsibility under Te Tiriti o Waitangi to protect M\u0101ori land from alienation for the benefit of future generations. This can happen if everyone in this House\u2014every party\u2014will vote for my bill tonight. We can act on our responsibilities. We can demonstrate what was just demonstrated in the previous bill, which was cooperation to achieve something positive. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003ELess than 5 percent of land in Aotearoa is still held in M\u0101ori customary and freehold ownership, so it is unacceptable that the Public Works Act can still be used in the 21st century to confiscate remnant remains of M\u0101ori whenua. Whether this Parliament votes for this bill or not, we are going to keep fighting for this. We have received huge support from M\u0101ori across the country, with almost 5,000 petition signatures. At every consultation hui on Te Ture Whenua Maori Bill, the Public Works Act was raised as an issue. We do not have answers from the Government yet as to how that would be addressed. If I knew how that was going to be addressed, I could let this bill go, but there is no clarity in what we have seen of Te Ture Whenua Maori Bill that that is the case. Until I know that there is a way to protect remnant whenua M\u0101ori\u2014customary and freehold M\u0101ori land\u2014from public works, we will not let this go. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EWe have heard so many stories of the suffering and confiscation that has been endured as a result of the Public Works Act. \u201CWhat public?\u201D, we might ask. Not the public who are customary or freehold M\u0101ori title owners who have been forced or manipulated away from their land. So I say to this House: no more pressure to sell. No more divide and rule. It is time for a united approach to the remnants of wh\u0101nau land. Not one more acre. Once it is gone, it is gone. The land is a taonga to these people. Not one more acre. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022 data-id=\u0022385efd181db1496daa2e3f6032c711b4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022385efd181db1496daa2e3f6032c711b4\u0022\u003ENUK KORAKO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. It is my pleasure to take this call on the Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill in the first reading. In the lead-up to this bill coming to the House, I have had a number of people speak to me about it with the assumption that, as someone of M\u0101ori descent with a number of interests in M\u0101ori land, I would be supporting this bill wholeheartedly. That is not the case. But before I get into the reasons, I think this bill is unnecessary and quite unhelpful, actually. I want to acknowledge some of the common ground, though, that has actually been covered. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThe Public Works Act was in the past often used as a mechanism to alienate M\u0101ori land. A huge percentage of alienation of M\u0101ori land actually happened because of this Act. Our land was preferred for public works because M\u0101ori had less political power than anyone else, actually, in this country, and so could not so effectively fight back against the alienation of land. Seizure of land under the Act happened without consultation\u2014indeed, with barely any communication\u2014and, in many cases, the public works for which the land was used did not actually benefit M\u0101ori. In some cases there was no compensation paid for M\u0101ori land, which was illegal under the Act, but, nevertheless, it was another example of an abuse of power by the Government of the day. But that is not how the Public Works Act works in practice today\u2014that is not how it works in practice today. The practices that allowed wholesale alienation of M\u0101ori land without consultation are actually no longer allowed under the Act\u2014they are no longer allowed under the Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EWe have debated many Treaty settlement bills in this House that provide full and final settlement to iwi for the confiscations that occurred under the previous versions of the Public Works Act\u2014under the previous versions of the Public Works Act. Given the settlements and, often, official apologies that have been given and accepted for past wrongs and the fact that there is no prospect of the Public Works Act being used for ongoing confiscation of land, that is why I do not believe that this bill is necessary. And, given the way this bill creates a different regime for M\u0101ori and non-M\u0101ori, I believe it actually has the potential to do more harm than actual good. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EIf the member and her party believe that land should never be acquired for a fair price for public works, then the member\u2019s bill she puts up should be to scrap the Public Works Act\u2014just scrap it. That is not something that I would agree with, because I think there are certain works that are in the public interest, and the Government should actually have the power to compulsorily acquire that land. If the member was to disagree with me and put it up as a bill to repeal the Public Works Act, I could respect it, but what she has actually done instead is put up a bill that suggests that, as a P\u0101keh\u0101, her land should be open to compulsory acquisition, while the M\u0101ori land in which I have interests needs a special protection not afforded to her land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u201CDivision\u201D and \u201Cseparatism\u201D are words that are thrown around very lightly by some who oppose Treaty settlements, who argue that the only way to be united in this country is to ignore the wrongs of the past and actually forget about our M\u0101ori heritage. These are words too often used as a dog whistle to those whose views are, at best, the result of ignorance of our history or, at worst, outright racism, but many of these terms have been misused to oppose Treaty settlements. M\u0101ori involvement in resource management, or in pretty much any policy that seeks to advance M\u0101ori or compensate them for the wrongs of the past\u2014the risk of separatism and racial division in our country, as we know, is still very, very real. This bill is the kind of provision that I believe does lead to separatism and, actually, racial division. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003ETreaty settlements have a huge potential to bring our country together. So many things this Government is doing to improve educational outcomes for M\u0101ori, to lift families out of poverty, and to do a better job for our most vulnerable mokopuna have the potential to eliminate the divisions that currently exist between M\u0101ori and P\u0101keh\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EM\u0101ori have been disadvantaged in this country for far too long, and I know that the sponsoring member and I will agree on that\u2014we will agree on that\u2014but the solution to that problem is to acknowledge the Crown\u2019s past wrongs, to deliver the apologies that iwi have been waiting so long for, to deliver the redress that provides a way forward for iwi, to acknowledge the special place that iwi have in our country under Te Tiriti o Waitangi, and to move into the future with a new relationship and a new understanding between the Crown and M\u0101ori. But the new relationship cannot be built on having special privileges for M\u0101ori. It cannot be built on special privileges. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u201CM\u0101ori privilege\u201D is actually a loaded term. It is a loaded term, and another that is so often misused. M\u0101ori have been told that we are privileged since before the Treaty of Waitangi was signed, but in most cases that just means we have had the privilege of having our land taken from us and our rights trampled on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThere is no such thing as M\u0101ori privilege, but, in overturning and moving on from decades of ill-treatment by the Government, our road to the future is not to have privilege bestowed on us by the member\u2019s bill. Our road to the future is to live as equals in our nation under Te Tiriti o Waitangi, with the full rights and responsibilities of citizenship. That was what the Treaty of Waitangi should have given us; instead, we got ripped off and disenfranchised. But the solution is not to create new rights for M\u0101ori that are not afforded to every other New Zealander. We do not want to be a special class with special privileges\u2014we do not want to be that. We just want to be equal citizens in our own country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI cannot support this bill, despite Catherine Delahunty\u2019s best intentions. They are your best intentions, but this is not the right thing for M\u0101ori and it is not the right thing for New Zealand, so I cannot support this bill. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u00222271b0db21634b2d95e1b28a77d74d91\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222271b0db21634b2d95e1b28a77d74d91\u0022\u003EKELVIN DAVIS (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tokerau):\u003C/span\u003E I am quite stunned, actually, by that contribution from the member Nuk Korako. If he is talking about separatism and division, we just need to look at how M\u0101ori over the years have been separated and divided from our land. M\u0101ori used to possess 100 percent of the land; we are now down to less than 5 percent of the land, and yet he talks about equality and not being separate. Look, quite frankly, I am disappointed. I mean, there have been so many ways that M\u0101ori have been separated from their land\u2014from our land, I should say\u2014over the years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003ELet us look at some of the ways\u2014the old land claims, for example. Back in the day, a settler would turn up and say \u201CI\u2019ve purchased 10,000 acres from this old chief up north.\u201D, and then the Crown comes along and surveys it and says: \u201CActually, you\u2019ve only purchased 1,000 acres.\u201D You would think that the other 9,000 acres would be returned to that old chief up north, but instead it would go to the Crown. That is wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003ELet me give you an example: think of the area south of Whangarei, around Ruak\u0101k\u0101 and Waip\u016B. There was a Waip\u016B Block that was 40,000 acres; the Ruak\u0101k\u0101 Block was 14,800 acres. Not a single acre is left for the Patuharakeke tribe around that area, because it was taken to settle Nova Scotian settlers. Also in that area\u2014people wonder why there is only one marae in that area, Takahiwai. That is because James Busby, 6 weeks before the Treaty of Waitangi was signed, went out and\u2014for the princely sum of \u00A340\u2014bought a few knick-knacks, 60 blankets, and a mere 100,000 acres of land. Some 25 years later he was compensated\u2014because he ended up losing that land\u2014\u00A336,000. What a capital gain over 25 years: from \u00A340 to \u00A336,000. Those sorts of transactions went on all the time, and it is why we are at the point where we are now: where M\u0101ori own less than 4 percent of the land. It was taken for settlers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EWe just need to read\u2014in fact, consider the Taranaki. It is interesting that we have been talking Taranaki all evening. We just need to read the Taranaki claims bills and see the lengths that were taken to dispossess the people of Taranaki of millions and millions of acres. We have heard the story about Parihaka: how, through peaceful protest, the villagers of Parihaka went and pulled up survey pegs and that\u2014and for that sort of resistance, they had their land confiscated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe Native Land Court: that was just a mechanism to separate and divide M\u0101ori from their land. Instead of land being held in tribal ownership, the land was divvied up\u201410 owners per block\u2014and then it was easier to pick off those owners and land. The tribes and M\u0101ori were dispossessed from their land.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EWe just need to look at rates\u2014the way M\u0101ori could not afford rates, even though they got no services. I remember reading some research around the Ng\u0101puhi settlements. There are some beautiful islands in the Bay of Islands. M\u0101ori could not afford the rates\u2014the rates were for street lighting, rubbish collection, and all that sort of stuff\u2014on this island where nobody lived. But because they could not pay for the rates, the land was confiscated. They were compensated by a bit of land in Whangarei around the area of \u014Ct\u0101ngarei. No disrespect to the area of \u014Ct\u0101ngarei, but if you compare that with living on one of the islands in the Bay of Islands\u2014I know where I would prefer to live.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe Public Works Act has been used, for example, to build schools. Then, when the schools have closed down, the land does not necessarily go back to the original owners\u2014it certainly does not swiftly go back to the original owners\u2014so wh\u0101nau have been dispossessed from their land through that mechanism.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EWe in the Labour Party support this bill to the select committee. Personally, as a M\u0101ori, I think it is really good. Catherine Delahunty, I appreciate the fact that you have put this in the ballot and that it has been drawn. I certainly was a little bit dismayed at the contribution from the speaker before me. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022 data-id=\u00226da17ecff25547998149a4548a8a7801\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226da17ecff25547998149a4548a8a7801\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR (National\u2014T\u0101maki):\u003C/span\u003E I am here, obviously, to take a call on the Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill. It will be no surprise to the House that I oppose this bill, for a number of reasons that I am very happy to elucidate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EFirst and foremost I acknowledge the words that my colleague Nuk Korako shared\u2014I think, with quite an eloquence there\u2014in raising the arguments, particularly around how this bill does the opposite of what it intends to do. It does not actually bring people together; it does not facilitate healing; it actually encourages a separatist mind-set, which is somewhat paradoxical coming from the Green Party, which talks about human rights and communitarian principles, and so forth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EI think my fundamental problem with this bill is that it is an attempt to fight injustices of the past by passing a bill that looks towards the future. I doubt that anyone in this House who looks back to how M\u0101ori land was acquired in the past would say that it was a good thing. People would acknowledge, quite rightly, as would I, that the Public Works Act was used to facilitate that\u2014that is, the Public Works Act of the past. In many ways, this bill is just trying to\u2014I would argue\u2014tokenistically fight the battles of the past in a way that is incredibly unhelpful. We have a process in place through the Treaty settlements to address a number of the elements that have been raised here today, including from the previous speaker, Kelvin Davis. So this bill, I remind the member Catherine Delahunty, who put the bill forward, strikes me as rather tokenistic and as trying to fight the past and relitigate the past.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EWe do not have this issue at the moment. We have a Public Works Act that applies to all land, regardless of one\u2019s ethnicity. If, in theory, roads were being built and gerrymandered, if you will, to acquire only M\u0101ori land, then maybe there would be some credence in this discussion, but that is not the case. The Public Works Act, in modern-day New Zealand, is there for roads, for schools. It is not done willy-nilly; it is done very cautiously. In fact, I have got a situation in my own electorate at the moment where there is a suggestion that the Public Works Act may be used to acquire a small piece of land. In fact, the Green Party might like it, because it is for a cycleway, but it is actually raising some controversy and there is a lot of discussion. Funnily enough, the discussion does not need to be about who owns the land, per se, on the basis of ethnicity; it is about whether the land is needed for the good of the community. I have been struck that speakers, particularly those in support, so far have not mentioned the community. That is the point of the Public Works Act in modern New Zealand: to facilitate the needs of the community.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EFundamentally too, what has been missed out\u2014probably conveniently\u2014is that, actually, if the Public Works Act is invoked at the moment and it does touch on M\u0101ori land, then an application needs to be made to the M\u0101ori Land Court. Others who will have a much deeper insight into the Act may be able to speak to that, but there is already a process in play here, and that, in and of itself, is relatively important. So I cannot support this bill in any shape or form. I do not think it has a place in modern-day New Zealand, I do not think it has a place in mature discussions, and, particularly\u2014I want to stress again\u2014I do not think it has a place in a mature discussion that allows us to confront the past and the injustices of the past. This, in a sense, retrenches some of those mind-sets or behaviours, and I do not personally believe that is the way forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EI want to reiterate that we have a mature process at the moment\u2014in fact, we were trying to do it, dare I say it, come this Friday\u2014where, through Treaty settlements, through robust discussion and debate, we do look back at the falsities done under the name of the Crown and we do look at the falsities done under the Public Works Act. This bill, in and of itself, does not address that. I personally see it as particularly harmful, ultimately, to that dynamic. I think it is really important too to understand what the Act in the past was used for\u2014that being the Public Works Act\u2014and what it is used for now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EIn fact, the previous speaker, Kelvin Davis, noted schools. Yes, he noted that once land is acquired it is not handed back to people, by and large, unless it is part of a Treaty settlement\u2014in fact, I am thinking of a piece of land in my own electorate in Glen Innes that I am pretty sure was acquired under the Public Works Act. It was a school, but under the Treaty settlement, I think, one of those rights of first refusal has been put in operation. So, again, I do not think that this is a mature approach to the Public Works Act, and I just reiterate that relitigating the past by trying to adopt a piece of legislation for the future is not a useful way forward for this country. Thank you very much. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u00224beec2106d794211a6b9bd3023b8a305\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224beec2106d794211a6b9bd3023b8a305\u0022\u003ERON MARK (Deputy Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to speak on behalf of New Zealand First and to signal to the honourable member, Catherine Delahunty, that, unfortunately\u2014regretfully\u2014we will not be supporting this bill. I thank the contribution from the honourable member on the other side of the Chamber, Nuk Korako, who gave some very good reasons. In fact, I would have thought that came straight out of a New Zealand First handbook, that speech\u2014talking about equality, one rule for all, and all of those things. We will probably frame it, and when that member applies to join the fastest-growing political movement in the nation, we will drag it out on his candidature. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI guess the thing I need to say is that it has been a bit of a day of contradictions, has it not? We have a bill being put up by the Green Party that seeks to end the confiscation, or the taking, of land by the Crown under the Public Works Act, and yet this is the same party that has sat there and wholly supported the Kermadec legislation, which sees the Crown take a property right off M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022138f0ecd27e8417baac5d94e66807d51\u0022\u003ECatherine Delahunty\u003C/span\u003E: Did you hear Metiria on the radio?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a1cbd1f12554fd1a2598b991384eb29\u0022\u003ERON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: And we have to say\u2014it does not matter what the Green Party is saying right now, I say in response to that little interjection. I sat in the select committee, I saw the clause by clause voting, and I have heard the rhetoric. People may wish to dance on a pinhead and adjust their position because, politically, it is proving to be an untenable position, but it is totally contrary to the way we see things for a party to say that the Crown should not confiscate or take one more acre of land from M\u0101ori, using the Public Works Act, whilst at the same time endorsing the confiscation of a property right from M\u0101ori under the Kermadec legislation. This just does not match. It is like \u201COne of these things is not like the other\u201D. If I could put it more simply than that, I would, but that is as simple as I can put it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThere is something else about the bill that smacks of a little bit of paternalism and a little bit of maternalism. You are coming down to M\u0101ori, saying: \u201CLook, we\u2019ll do this for you, make it all look better.\u201D The truth is that many of us who have been engaged in Treaty settlement negotiations\u2014myself for 10 years plus, for my iwi\u2014have been dealing with these issues, with the honourable Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, for a long time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EIf I take the Wairarapa, for example\u2014there are numerous examples. In fact, one of my own marae, Hurunui o Rangi, in the Carterton district\u2014or the Taratahi district\u2014had land taken off it for a road that was put through. Unfortunately, what that did was it separated our marae from our urup\u0101, and they did not just take the strip they needed for the road; they took a whole lot more. The Minister is very familiar with this, because he has had a tour through there. They did not take just the piece of land they needed for the road; they took more, and then they kept it. They never offered it back after they had built the road. In fact, they dug a big hole in it and used the aggregate out of that hole for roading, then turned that hole into a rubbish dump, which it still is to this very day. It needs cleaning up, thank you very much. We have discussed these matters with the Minister, we negotiated these matters as an iwi, and we have come to what we believe will be a lasting and enduring settlement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EWe know that there are issues about the Public Works Act, but if we are to redress that, we should redress the fairness in the way settlements are made, so that the Crown gives fair and proper compensation to those people who are having their land taken, be they M\u0101ori, Chinese, Indian, non-M\u0101ori, P\u0101keh\u0101, or whatever blend they might be. There should be one law across the whole of the nation in respect of this. It should not single out M\u0101ori; to do so stigmatises them, demonises them, and sets them up for criticism as receiving something special that other New Zealanders do not get. That is fundamentally wrong. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EYes, there are issues with the Public Works Act. Look at how the Public Works Act has been changed recently to enable affordable housing, rather than offering the land back to the original owners: Hobsonville, all these other properties\u2014Ardmore. Look at Hood Aerodrome\u2014that was sold off to the Masterton District Council for one dollar. That should have been offered back to its original owners, the iwi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThere are issues in there, but let us deal with those issues in a sensible way, rather than have a carte blanche solution, such as this bill imposes, that will be seen as inequitable\u2014actually, racist and separatist\u2014and will not resolve the problem in the long run. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022 data-id=\u00224407cbe0167e41cb9addaf29c19a3e6e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224407cbe0167e41cb9addaf29c19a3e6e\u0022\u003EIAN McKELVIE (National\u2014Rangit\u012Bkei):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you for the opportunity to speak on this bill. Before I start I want to congratulate the member Catherine Delahunty on getting a bill drawn out of the ballot. Some of us will probably live in this place for years and never get a bill drawn out of the ballot. I am starting to think like that myself. I also want to say, before I start on what I am going to talk about, that I do have some sympathy for the origins of this bill. I am not going to support it, however, and I will give the reasons for that as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EIf you think about the history of New Zealand\u2014and there has been a lot of talk today about where people come from, and where they live, and whatever else. My family comes from the Rangit\u012Bkei. We have been there since 1850. In that time we have been subject to the Public Works Act. We have also been subject to the Discharged Soldiers Settlement Act 1915 and the Discharged Soldiers Settlement Act 1943, so I have some sympathy for the grievances that a number of the previous speakers have talked about. However, that is no reason for us to pass this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EImagine the Government now passing a law that confiscated a whole lot of land off people compulsorily and giving it to someone else, which is, effectively, what those three Acts I am talking about enabled. Those days are long gone, and I think Nuk Korako, in his speech to the House, talked about the fact that the world is so different now. We have made a lot of attempts in this Parliament to rectify the wrongs of the past. We will never entirely get to that point, but Minister Finlayson, with his work, and many of our other Ministers, both in this Government and in previous Governments, have made significant attempts to change and rectify things that have happened in the past that perhaps should not have happened. I think there have been many gross injustices in the past, some of them brought about by the Public Works Act and many by other means. As I said, the country has changed significantly in that time, and I think we are in a pretty good space now in respect of how we acquire land.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003ELocal government\u2014I was involved in local government for quite some time, before coming here\u2014has to get its planning right. It has to enable public infrastructure to be built\u2014so does central government\u2014and the only way we can effectively enable infrastructure to be built for the future and for future generations of New Zealanders is to plan it well and make sure that it is put in place in a manner that, I guess, does the best for our communities. Sometimes\u2014in fact, very seldom; I understand this Act has only been utilised once in the last 10 years, though obviously the threat of it is there\u2014it is necessary to acquire land that people do not want to give up to enable infrastructure to be built. It is essential that a Government has the ability to acquire land from whomever to enable the creation of infrastructure for future generations. That is what this Act was put in place for in 1908, when it was first put in place in New Zealand. It might not always have been used in the manner that we now would intend to use it but, none the less, it is important that we have that ability to use it. It is hugely important as well that we protect the rights of those people whose land is acquired, and I think that we have the facilities in place now to do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003ECatherine Delahunty, in her address, said that there is to be no more divide and rule. I consider that this bill is, effectively, creating a case of divide and rule, and I think it would be very unfortunate for us to go down that track now, having gone through such a lot of pain, certainly in the last 20-odd years, trying to rectify a lot of the stuff that divide and rule caused. Also, in the preamble to this bill it says that the Crown has the responsibility to protect M\u0101ori land for future generations. The Crown has a responsibility to protect all land for future generations. We have a responsibility to protect the rights and opportunities for all New Zealanders, and we also have a responsibility to ensure that those people who are privileged enough to own land manage that land in a manner that future generations will be able to utilise and enjoy. I cannot support this bill. I can understand the sentiment behind it, but I do not think it should go any further. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u00225097fc7b8d3f4ca18ae7e93044bf32df\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225097fc7b8d3f4ca18ae7e93044bf32df\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour\u2014Hauraki-Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E I join with Labour colleagues to support the passage of this bill, and acknowledge the effort that its sponsor, Catherine Delahunty, has gone to to put together a case for it to be considered by the select committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIf we look at the evidence and the current shareholding of M\u0101ori land that has been retained, one would see a disproportionate argument in the way in which Government members have said there would be unequal treatment. The reality is that huge tracts of M\u0101ori land have been taken, either by confiscation through the Public Works Act, through some deeds of sale that were a little bit dubious, or through a number of measures. But it is right, and I want to acknowledge that Treaty settlements in part are one way to address some of these historical wrongdoings of the taking of M\u0101ori land. I believe that the bill should go to the select committee, because there will be a number of families with some very practical examples of where lands have been taken under the Public Works Act for a specific purpose and not given back to the families when it was not used.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ELet us look at Te K\u016Biti, for example, and the aerodrome there. I connect to the people of Maniapoto. This is a very good example where land was taken for a specific purpose, not used for that purpose, and for some reason got acquired by the local council, and then, for some reason, got sold to a local lawyer who happened to be the lawyer of the council. It then became the aerodrome. There is no remedy for that family to be able to get that land back, except by going through a tribunal process, arguing their case, and then saying: \u201CActually, what was supposed to be a public work, which did not happen, now has to be resolved by a Treaty settlement.\u201D I understand the nature of the historical, I guess, basis on which that issue arose, but you can see how there would be a lack of faith by the several people who have had direct experience of a process that really does fail them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EWhat this does is it raises issues that sit outside, for example, current processes. One of the biggest challenges for Te Ture Whenua Maori Act is that issues relating to the Public Works Act are not actually addressed at all within the context of that particular bill that is currently being considered by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. If the Government was genuine about equal treatment before the law, then surely it would want to ensure that this bill at least gets through the first reading and goes to the select committee, so that we can hear the breadth of interest around this particular issue. This is about protecting whenua. It is not about anything else but ensuring that people have a legitimate ability to protect whenua, and I think that is an important thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI listened carefully to the chair of our select committee, who is a very good chair, and his concerns around what he said was the unequal treatment in the application of this bill, but you would only have to read the advice coming from the chief legal counsel around the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act test, which is that there is justified reason for having a limited discretion in the way in which this bill proposes. I would say on that basis alone the House should seriously consider\u2014if for no other reason than a fair hearing\u2014passing this bill\u2019s first reading so that it would get to the select committee for a full consideration of the way in which the bill could actually impact, not perceptually impact, on the protection of M\u0101ori land that sits outside of Te Ture Whenua Maori Act, and to then determine the extent to which it is an unequal treatment. I think the determination that was made, which has Minister Finlayson\u2019s name on it, will show that it is quite justified to have a measure of this level, to be able to protect M\u0101ori land\u2014what little M\u0101ori land is left in M\u0101ori hands.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThere are numerous examples throughout all our regions where land has been taken from M\u0101ori under the Public Works Act, and the avenue to be able to secure it back has been a long and winding road. Many have had no prospect of relief. For that reason alone, to the sponsoring member, Catherine Delahunty, I say that I certainly support the bill going through its first reading and to the select committee. I hope that members will consider it seriously.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022 data-id=\u00221104d74ad0d54f1fbff4e7f1ca4e64bd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221104d74ad0d54f1fbff4e7f1ca4e64bd\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT (National\u2014Hamilton East):\u003C/span\u003E I have a great deal of sympathy for this bill, and I think the previous speaker, Nanaia Mahuta, raised some very strong points, because there are cases where the Public Works Act was used for purposes that it should not have been. There are many families who are justifiably aggrieved, and in those days\u2014and you can probably argue these days as well, sometimes\u2014the process in law had reasons it was doing what it was doing other than fairness and equity. A lot of families may have been in that situation that the previous speaker spoke about, and are justifiably looking for some recourse and some way of dealing with those issues, so I take a lot from the previous speaker and her personal example. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EI also think that with a lot of returned land that iwi may get now through settlement processes, some of that land is associated with transport routes. It is Government land; it may have been purchased for the New Zealand Transport Agency, railways, or suchlike, so it is very much on infrastructure routes, and so its likelihood of ever being used for public works in the future is probably a bit higher. It is actually in a position where other infrastructure that may be used in the future may actually come along that land, so there could be a particular difficulty in the future with those settlements. It may seem like they are progressing the transfer of land, but it may actually mean that there could be a situation where the Public Works Act comes into effect on that land and causes further dilemmas for the people who did get that land through the settlement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EThose are just two examples you can think of where there are issues in the way the Public Works Act operates in regard to, specifically, M\u0101ori land, but all land in particular. There is an argument that the Public Works Act in any case is too strong for any landowner, and that a Government\u2019s ability to do what it wants, or a council\u2019s ability to do what it wants, could sometimes be questioned anyway. That may be a further issue that we need to take into account, because the all-knowing, all-good nature of Government is not necessarily the case at all times. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EI actually have a lot of sympathy for the bill. I think it actually raises some very valid concerns. It is something that I appreciate that the Green Party has brought forward to the House, and I thank them for that. I just do not think it is the right solution at this time, though, but I do think that there needs to be more discussion about how we can find a solution for those kinds of issues going forward, because I do not think that families who have felt aggrieved in the past and do not feel they have had any recourse should actually be told to just \u201Csuck it up\u201D and wait. I also think there could be issues around future settlements with the land corridors that would be involved\u2014that could actually create some problems. I think you have raised a genuine issue; this probably is not the solution for it, but, certainly, I think that the nature of Parliament is that other solutions come forward over time and can actually try to address that issue as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003ESo thank you for the opportunity to speak on this bill. Although we oppose it, we do understand that there are some very valid concerns involved, and look forward to, in the future\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228808fc04a1434aa19d738c31245af621\u0022\u003EDavid Shearer\u003C/span\u003E: But you oppose it? You oppose it, do you? It\u2019s very good, but you oppose it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294a150b85db7472d963db8f379cecc65\u0022\u003EDAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, we oppose it. A bit like you and the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement\u2014you think it is very good, but you oppose it. It is good that that member is here. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002270df77f3512647318be81f44c7f84c1e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002270df77f3512647318be81f44c7f84c1e\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Before I call the next member, I do want to remind David Shearer that he appears to have an illicit cup in the House, and I am going to ask him to take it away.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u0022b3350519a6e741c89b10be22aa0509a5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b3350519a6e741c89b10be22aa0509a5\u0022\u003EPEENI HENARE (Labour\u2014T\u0101maki Makaurau):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Assistant Speaker. Thank you for this opportunity. I rise to take a short call on the Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill, and I want to congratulate our colleague Catherine Delahunty on being brave and bringing this particular bill in front of the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EOn 14 September 1975 Dame Whina Cooper departed the Far North. That picture of her walking down a lonely dirt road, holding her mokopuna\u2019s hand, is now famous worldwide, and the catch cry of that protest was \u201CNot one more acre\u201D\u2014not one more acre. I think this particular bill is a brave step to make that cry known again, to say: \u201CNot one more acre.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EMr Bennett speaks about those landowners who have been affected in the past by the Public Works Act, and says they should just suck it up and move on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd215a86d54b4676a611b1d5aa385828\u0022\u003EDavid Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8e1aa6dd9e24150936187d1a8e69466\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: I am going to warn the member that I cannot see a valid point of order, and I am going to warn the member that if he does not make a valid point of order, he will be withdrawing and apologising.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227c2cfda365de4e18800d680712baf24a\u0022\u003EDavid Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: OK. I think you know what I meant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002250fd215bf1e54a67adebcb484428e9c9\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Disagreeing with a member does not give rise to a point of order. It is called a debate\u2014that is what we are having.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad2e5e555a4d4cfda748845a5d0f71a0\u0022\u003EPEENI HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. I come from a small place called \u014Crauta, approximately 45 minutes north of Whangarei. The Public Works Act took large tracts of my family land\u2014the farm, our neighbour\u2019s farm\u2014to build a railway. That railway was taken out of commission after years of operation. It was taken out of commission and it sat idle for no less than 12 years\u201412 years\u2014and my family fought long and hard to get that land given back to our family. It runs right along our farm, formerly owned by us, taken by the Public Works Act, and that particular railway sat idle for 12 years. We got no explanation, nobody told us what they were going to use the land for, it was still fenced off, we were not allowed to go on it, and all of a sudden it is now a cycleway. But for those 12 years nobody knew what was going to happen with it\u2014nobody knew what was going to happen with it. We begged local members of Parliament, we begged the council, and we begged ministry officials and asked them to return that land to us\u2014to return that land to us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EInterestingly enough, that particular railway also ran through what used to be known as the K\u0101witi station\u2014also taken under the Public Works Act. After the K\u0101witi station was decommissioned, they kept the land, took out all of the scoria, and it changed from the K\u0101witi station to the ballast pit\u2014all part of my family land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThe Public Works Act has had a significant effect on M\u0101ori people. The research tells us now that M\u0101ori-owned land is just under 5 percent\u2014just under 5 percent. It is my job\u2014and certainly the job of this House\u2014to ensure that that number does not decrease any more. However, I do temper that contribution by also saying that our country is growing. We do need to grow. We know what the issues are around housing, we do know that infrastructure is a big problem here in Aotearoa New Zealand, and in order for us to be competitive and to grow, we must make parts of land available for that growth. However, given the injustices suffered by M\u0101ori for many, many years since the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi, I support this bill. I say that it is a good, brave step for this Parliament to ensure that no more land is taken without good reason\u2014without good reason\u2014so that families like the Henare family of the \u014Crauta valley do not lose large tracts of their land for, in the first instance, a railway that sat idle for far too long and, now, for a cycleway. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI just want to say thank you, Catherine Delahunty, for bringing this bill to the House. We support it in the Labour Party, and we look forward to support right across the House. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022 data-id=\u00225ceafb05c4dc443cab14056e74204c8d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225ceafb05c4dc443cab14056e74204c8d\u0022\u003EJONO NAYLOR (National):\u003C/span\u003E I have to confess that when I first became aware of this bill, I thought, initially, it had some merit and warranted a little bit of a closer look. So I did take a closer look to see whether or not this bill would actually achieve some of the things that I thought perhaps it was intended to achieve, but it does not. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003EWe just heard a great, impassioned speech from Mr Henare from over the way there about his family\u2019s experience\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022743504d3ea30493b9512363d1b70e2d4\u0022\u003EPeeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Over the railway track.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225be7bf510d8e4c25a9b6565714004aa0\u0022\u003EJONO NAYLOR\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014from the other side of the railway tracks, yes. There has obviously been something that has gone on that was not ideal for his family. In fact, it would have been great if they had been responded to earlier, perhaps, and if that railway line had not sat empty for 12 years, as you said, before some action was taken. If this bill could do anything whatsoever to resolve that situation, then that would be useful, but guess what? It does not, because, actually, the issue that he would like to see resolved needs a different bill. It needs a different set of legislation. It needs a different policy from the organisations, like the railway, that end up owning that land and making different decisions at different times, to help that family resolve their issue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003EThere is no doubt that over the history of time in Aotearoa New Zealand, the Public Works Act and other legislation has been used inappropriately to alienate M\u0101ori from their land. Successive legislation through the M\u0101ori land Act and its various iterations at different times were not proud moments if we are to look at the history of New Zealand and at what was done to M\u0101ori in terms of alienating them from their land. That is something that I do not believe that any of us in Aotearoa New Zealand should be proud of. But this bill does not actually put any of that to rights. There are other processes in place, and we are working very hard through our Treaty settlement processes to do what we can to at least make some measure of putting those things right, but this bill, in and of itself, does not. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003EIt has been talked about that not one more acre should be confiscated, and I just want to remind members of the House that the Public Works Act does not allow the Government to confiscate land; it enables the Government to purchase land. I just want to go back to when the Public Works Act was brought in in 1981 and the opening speech by the Hon W L Young, who introduced that legislation. In his opening remarks, he said that \u201CWhen land is required for essential work, the Bill specifies that a formal notice is to be sent to the owner, inviting the owner to sell the land, and advising the owner of the estimated value of the land. Every effort must be made to negotiate in good faith with the owner in an attempt to reach an agreement acceptable to [them]. Unless these steps are taken, it will not be possible compulsorily to take any land for an essential work.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003EThis is not confiscation; this is about\u2014under the Public Works Act\u2014giving a fair price for a piece of land that is required by the Government or a local authority for essential work. What Ms Delahunty is actually proposing through this legislation is that a party who owns a particular piece of land will have an ability to stand in the way\u2014the ability to hold the rest of New Zealand to ransom. So if, for example, a piece of land was required to provide flood protection to a significant part of the community\u2014if this legislation was to pass and that piece of land was one of the bits of land that has been referred to in this bill, then the owners of that land would, effectively, be able to write themselves a blank cheque and hold everybody else to ransom, and flood protection would not be provided. That is just one example of what could happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225634618f-04f4-4f2c-a4bb-6ec0edeb2bf5\u0022\u003EI cannot stand here and support that. This bill may have great intentions, but it is certainly not going to achieve any useful intentions, and it is not going to address any of the historical wrongs that have been done. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022 data-id=\u0022be58c7a904714e039d0379ccf8ddcc34\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022be58c7a904714e039d0379ccf8ddcc34\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I have been fascinated by this debate, and I recognise the privilege of having five members\u2019 bills selected from the ballot. The National Party may not be on my side, but the gods are, because sometimes an issue needs to be brought into the light and I am very grateful for the opportunity of bringing this issue into the light. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI do need to clarify a few things. First, I want to thank the M\u0101ori Party and the Labour Party members for your support still. I really appreciate the support and the speeches, and the understanding that this is an important contemporary issue as well as an historical issue. I clearly need to spell out in simple words that this bill is not an attempt to address historical wrongs, even though they need to be addressed. We need a process for that, and my petition to the select committee may open the door for that. But this bill is to acknowledge that this is about the current risks from the Public Works Act. If we are going to talk about holding the country to ransom, let us talk about who is being held to ransom. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EThe reason we wrote the bill was that Patricia Grace\u2019s wh\u0101nau less than 2 years ago were held to ransom. Speakers from the National Party say this is in the past and it cannot happen. What happened, which I described in the first part of my first speech, was that she did not even get told it was going to happen. She found out at the eleventh hour that her land was up for Public Works Act confiscation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003ECall it what you like, this is not about\u2014for the benefit of Nuk Korako\u2014blocks of land that are the same. Customary-owned, freehold M\u0101ori land collectively owned is not the same as individual title. We are trying to protect what is left of the collectively owned land, of which there is only 5 percent in Aotearoa. We are trying to make sure that that does not shrink. We do not accept the argument that this is separatist or racist or holding anyone to ransom. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EThe people who are still being talked to by development agencies about taking their land are to this very day being told that the Public Works Act can be used against them. It is a forced sale. What is the difference between that and our previous bad history when it is about the small blocks of collectively owned land that are not addressed\u2014read my lips, National Government\u2014by the Treaty settlement process? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EWe have to be honest about the risks still existing; the Grace wh\u0101nau story and what happened to their neighbours just less than 2 years ago is a case in point. Their neighbours lost their land because of the divide and rule tactics of the Transport Agency, which managed to separate them from their land; they did not have the Grace wh\u0101nau\u2019s ability to challenge. That is not right. It is a contemporary issue. It is not right that it should be still going on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EIt is really extraordinary to hear about privilege\u2014that we will be creating privilege. What privilege is there when 96 percent or more of your land is gone and a bill seeks to protect any more being alienated? Where is the privilege in that? This is the time for us to face up to some facts here. We do not live in an equality paradise where every landowner and every wh\u0101nau or family has the same rights before the law. That does not exist. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EIf we are going to protect what remains of that land and stop fantasising about the myth of the kind of country we live in\u2014that everything is sorted now because we have got the Waitangi Tribunal process\u2014we will never address the risk of ongoing alienation of M\u0101ori-owned land. I am not talking about individuals; I am talking about customary, collective, freehold M\u0101ori title. It is not the same. Read my lips: not one more acre of the customary tangata whenua identity should be threatened or manipulated, or divide and rule used for developments that they do not want. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EYes, we need to address the historical injustices, but as a P\u0101keh\u0101, as a person committed to Te Tiriti, I am proud to have stood up in this House, to have brought this bill, to have stood t\u016Bturu for this kaupapa. I am not here to create separatism; I am here for justice, because people have told me\u2014as the nearly 5,000 people who signed our petition said\u2014we have been through enough with the Act; no more. They want a line in the sand and I have attempted to draw it, no matter how we vote tonight. Kia ora koutou katoa. Not one more acre!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022933122776a8440509d7ac5e608cb049d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill be now read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 48\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 14; M\u0101ori Party 2.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 73\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226899e14e56564bb39329d150714d764d\u0022\u003EConsumer Guarantees (Removal of Unrelated Party Lender Responsibility) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c7cb1c45e5cc4b628c09fc8879c45d6a\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022 data-id=\u002232e6840200614e5c9c2bb68739f78f47\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002232e6840200614e5c9c2bb68739f78f47\u0022\u003EDr SHANE RETI (National\u2014Whangarei):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Consumer Guarantees (Removal of Unrelated Party Lender Responsibility) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. I nominate the Commerce Committee to consider the bill. At the appropriate time, I intend to move that the bill be reported to the House by 31 January 2017. This bill looks to improve consumer protections and reduce consumer costs. The Consumer Guarantees Act 1993 is a cornerstone piece of legislation protecting consumers. While the Fair Trading Act provides pre-sale protection, for example against misleading advertising, the Consumer Guarantees Act, herein referred to as the CGA, provides post-sale protection by requiring suppliers to remedy any defect in goods or services provided. Over the years, the Act has been updated to take into account changing consumer needs and to make important clarifications. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EThis bill looks to make a clarification that is small but that stakeholders tell us is important. Specifically, this bill seeks to clarify when lenders should be liable under the Consumer Guarantees Act and when they should not. As will be shown, the existing legislation is ambiguous and the solution that this bill proposes is the concept of related-party connectedness. If the trader and the lender are not connected, then the lender should not be liable under the Consumer Guarantees Act. The reverse should also hold. If the trader and lender are connected, then the lender should be liable under the Consumer Guarantees Act. The trader, of course, is always liable. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EIn the first scenario, lenders who have no connectedness to traders are at a distance from the relevant transaction and should not reasonably be expected to be liable under the Consumer Guarantees Act. As we will show, international precedents in Australia and the United Kingdom strongly support this concept in their consumer protection legislation. In the second scenario, we are very concerned about traders and lenders who do have connectedness, and believe that the lender should definitely be liable for Consumer Guarantees Act remedies. This will be referred to as one and the same trader-lenders. It is simply not good enough for a trader who has both sold a faulty domestic item and been the loan financer to pass off their responsibilities for remedy to their reneging lending arm when they are both, effectively, one and the same. This bill will bind that lender to the Consumer Guarantees Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EThe legislative ambiguity arises from the definition of \u201Csuppliers\u201D in the Consumer Guarantees Act 1993 and the attempt to connect traders and lenders with the word \u201Carranged\u201D. The full legislation reads under the definition of \u201Csupplier\u201D in section 2(1)(b)(ii) that a supplier is \u201Ca creditor within the meaning of the Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Act 2003 who has lent money on the security of goods supplied to a consumer, if the whole or part of the price of the goods is to be paid out of the proceeds of the loan and if the loan was arranged by a person who, in trade, supplied the goods:\u201D\u2014arranged by a person who, in trade, supplied the goods. In simple terms, if a trader arranges a loan with a lender, then they are both suppliers and both liable under the Consumer Guarantees Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EIt is ambiguity in the wording \u201Carranged\u201D that is leading to uncertainty and differing practices in the New Zealand market place, not all of which benefit the consumer; some of these practices do. Contest that connectedness between a trader and a lender by saying the trader did not arrange the loan but merely made an introduction, and the lender walks away. In Sudfeldt v UDC Finance Ltd and others, the court interpreted their interactions as an \u201Cintroduction\u201D and the lender was, therefore, potentially not liable to Consumer Guarantees Act remedies. Another common practice is to utilise the available option in legislation for the lender to seek indemnification from the trader for any Consumer Guarantees Act recourse. This is routinely done as back-to-back indemnities, with an administrative cost that is borne by the consumer, and, again, the lender walks away. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000673\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EThe problem here is that the word \u201Carranged\u201D is a functional activity that offers no comment on structural relationships where the trader and lender may be related as joint ventures, cross-shareholdings, or otherwise connected. International legislation, especially in Australia, is very prescriptive on how structural relationships connect traders and lenders, and should be taken into account. Various terms and detailed descriptions are used to describe the trader-lender relationship, including \u201Ctied\u201D, \u201Clinked\u201D, and \u201Cconnected\u201D. For the purposes of this reading, I am describing the trader-lender relationship as connectedness. Connectedness then is clearly important, and a deeper dive into international definitions is informative. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000674\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EThe influential UK Crowther report talked in terms of \u201Cconnected loans\u201D and \u201Cconnected lenders\u201D and made the following statement around joint liability: \u201CThere are compelling reasons for distinguishing connected from unconnected loans. The connected lender and the seller, where not the same person, are, in effect, engaged in a joint venture to their mutual advantage and their respective roles cannot be treated in isolation.\u201D The committee of the Law Council of Australia similarly recorded that a lender with a tied loan organised by a trader has connectedness and should have liability to a consumer as follows: a financier who has made a tied loan to a consumer would, to a limited extent, be obliged to underwrite the liabilities of a supplier to the consumer in respect of the consumer credit sale. These examples describe international legislation where traders and lenders should be connected and lenders made liable. There are also clear international precedents for when traders and lenders should not be connected and should not be liable, and the report from the Law Council of Australia and the UK Crowther report talk to both of these. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000675\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EThe specific reference in these two examples is to a loan as the credit instrument. This lends itself here to a comment on the deliberately narrow scope of this bill, which I will state here as applying only to goods and not services. The Consumer Guarantees Act covers goods: for example, personal and domestic goods, goods where the goods are acquired on credit and where there is a secured creditor, and goods purchased with personal loans as the credit instrument. Other credit tools, especially those most frequently used\u2014namely, hire purchase agreements\u2014have a different complexity of connectedness associated with who owns the goods. They are covered by several different Acts and are not in scope for this bill. This bill also has little impact on traders who go out of business, as this bill is addressing a different issue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EI have made the case that connectedness between traders and lenders is an important concept that is ambiguous in our legislation. In the UK, in respect of trader-lender connectedness, the Crowther report used the term \u201Cconnected lender\u201D and defined this as \u201Cone who, pursuant to a regular business relationship with one or more sellers, makes a loan which is used to buy goods or services from one such seller\u201D. The Law Council of Australia report was much more specific on connectedness and stated: \u201CWhere a supplier has the required commercial link with a financer he is termed a \u2018linked supplier\u2019. This includes the supplier having a trade agreement with the financer, referring customers to the financer, and having blank finance application forms on the premises.\u201D Clearly then, the Australian definition is much more prescriptive. For our purpose, this bill looks to define connectedness using existing New Zealand tools such as the New Zealand Equivalent to International Accounting Standard 24, which defines \u201Crelated parties\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EFinally, we turn to consumer and industry implications for progressing this bill. Firstly, consumer protections are increased by adding clarity and robustness to legislation that makes lenders liable to the Consumer Guarantees Act. Secondly, consumer customer service is improved by providing clarity around lenders who are not bound to Consumer Guarantees Act remedies. This benefit occurs by requiring traders to provide better customer service if they know they cannot by default refer to the deep-pocket safety net of lenders. Thirdly, unconnected lenders, freed of the risk of liability under the CGA, will be more willing to lend to consumers, making consumer credit more widely available. Finally, customer costs are reduced because lenders who are unconnected and no longer liable to Consumer Guarantees Act remedies will no longer need to adopt back-to-back indemnification against the trader as a default practice, and the administrative costs will not be created and passed on to the consumer. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EIn conclusion, this bill looks to strengthen consumer protections and standardise industry practice by removing legislative ambiguity in the word \u201Carranged\u201D, which currently connects traders and lenders. A framework is proposed that is more consistent with international best practice. I very much welcome the wisdom and dialogue of others from across the House and, without presumption, guidance from the select committee. It is with pleasure, then, that I introduce the first reading of this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022 data-id=\u002277ce9d258af84b11a7c8d5b4ee468db1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000679\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002277ce9d258af84b11a7c8d5b4ee468db1\u0022\u003EDAVID SHEARER (Labour\u2014Mt Albert):\u003C/span\u003E Well, for those people watching this debate who are not commercial lawyers or accountants, let me just start by saying that I have a lot of respect for that member, Dr Shane Reti, and the work and the argument that he puts up. But part of the role of this House, and certainly of the Opposition, is to scrutinise bills, particularly members\u2019 bills, and to look at them as to whether they will enhance or in some way assist in making New Zealand a better place. This is a bill that I just get the sense is a solution looking for a problem. I really cannot find any real problem out there that people have identified that means that the House\u2019s time should be taken up with this change in this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000680\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EWhat I have found when I looked at the amendment to the Consumer Guarantees Act that has been suggested by the New Zealand Initiative\u2014this is on page 16 and is one of the things that it has put forward. It seems to me that it is more about trying to, in a sense, limit consumers\u2019 rights and enhance the rights of lenders, and particularly finance companies, rather than do what I believe is the right thing to do, which is to stand up and look after consumers. So I have a problem here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EI suggest that perhaps what this member has been given is one of those bills where, when you come into Parliament, somebody says: \u201CHere\u2019s a member\u2019s bill. Put it in the ballot.\u201D Unfortunately for Dr Shane Reti, it got drawn out, and then he has got to get passionate about it and lie awake at night and worry about it, when in fact it does not seem to me to be something that you need to be worried about at all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003ELook, the guts of this bill is really that if I go out and buy a good, and I need finance, and I arrange for finance through the seller of that good, they are linked together\u2014the person who is the lender, if you like, and the seller. Shane Reti\u2019s bill does not, as I understand it, change that relationship. But if the lender is a different organisation that is out there, and I have a problem with that good\u2014I buy a good from Dick Smith Electronics, for example, and I have a problem with it\u2014I can go back to Dick Smith Electronics, like anybody can, but I also, at the moment, can go to the financial organisation that arranged my finance, and that finance organisation has some accountability in terms of the money that it lent to me in respect of that good. Dr Reti wants to take away that degree of compliance and accountability\u2014take that away.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003ESo as a consumer, am I better off or worse off? I am actually worse off, because I have less ability to seek redress for a faulty good. If a company, for example, goes under and the good is still faulty, I am left still paying the finance company for that good that is no longer of any use to me. So, suddenly, I am in a very difficult position. I have a good that is useless. I have a manufacturer or a seller that cannot give me any redress, my finance company is demanding that I still continue to pay the bill, and that finance company is let completely off the hook. That is how I see this bill, in words of one syllable or less, rather than the account that we have just heard from Dr Reti.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003ESo for that reason\u2014and I am willing to be proven otherwise\u2014I believe it is something that is (1) not really a problem; (2) ideologically driven; and (3) I do not think that it lives up to protecting the consumer, as Dr Reti says, in terms of the change that is necessary. It actually advantages finance companies to the disadvantage of consumers, and it is taking away some of the rights that consumers have at the moment. There may be a little bit of confusion in and around those definitions between lender and trader, etc., but that is not insurmountable. But what we are doing with this bill is taking away some of those rights that consumers have. I believe that that is wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003ESecondly, it also does a couple of other things. I think it introduces a degree of vagueness. Let me give you, perhaps, another example. Car dealerships often have their own financing. I am unsure about how a franchise relationship would affect the mix, so if I buy a car from a Hyundai franchise, using Hyundai finance, this may not be a related-party transaction. In other words, although it seems to be related in terms of the car that I am buying and the organisation that is there, the franchising makes that rather vague. So, actually, rather than introducing greater clarity, as Dr Reti is suggesting, it introduces a greater degree of confusion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EThere is a third reason why I think we should oppose this bill, and that is what is often referred to as the \u201CHenry VIII\u201D clause; that is, bringing through Parliament issues that should be resolved in Parliament by statute rather than by regulation. The definitions that Dr Reti is using within the accountancy bill here, which are from International Accounting Standard 24, mean that the definition is not explicit in this bill, but, in other words, is being brought in by another means. It is not good form and it is not good practice, and that is why it is called the \u201CHenry VIII\u201D clause, because Henry VIII changed things according to what he wanted to do, rather than actually taking them through the proper process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EBut I come back to the main point that I made at the beginning: this is a bill that will disadvantage and take away some of the protections that consumers currently enjoy when they buy goods, the goods turn out to be faulty, and they take them back. If the trader or the manufacturer is incapable, for whatever reason, of being able to give the consumer satisfaction in terms of a replacement or a repayment or whatever, the consumer at the current time has the ability to go to that finance company that financed that good\u2014if in fact that was what the consumer did, get financing\u2014and if that financing company is disassociated from the seller, is not linked to the seller at all, then that finance company has, at the current time, a responsibility to give some redress to the consumer. Under Dr Reti\u2019s new bill that link will be cut.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EI actually believe that if you are a finance company or you are lending money to a consumer, there is a right of doing due diligence and looking at the ability of the borrower to pay and looking at what that borrower is wanting to buy with the money that you are lending. I actually think that that is good practice. What we are doing here is letting the finance company completely off the hook. I believe that that is not good practice. It is not advancing consumer guarantees and consumer protections, which, as Dr Reti says, this bill purports to do. In fact, it takes some of them away.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dfa851f0-ef7b-4834-bc41-1b3b645a3495\u0022\u003EIt is for that reason\u2014I am sure that the bill will pass, because I am sure that he will have the numbers in the House\u2014that we are not supporting this bill. I say this because I have looked at it quite closely and, as I say, I respect the word of the member there, but I just do not think that this bill stacks up in terms of giving consumers better safety protection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022 data-id=\u00225cfc60c87bf64625979974fc581e3319\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225cfc60c87bf64625979974fc581e3319\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE (National):\u003C/span\u003E It is a pleasure to rise in the first reading of Dr Shane Reti\u2019s member\u2019s bill. Just to comment to the member who has just sat down, David Shearer, I have to actually commend the member Dr Shane Reti. He is a conscientious member. When his bill was drawn from the ballot, he actually came around to my office with the bill and the explanatory note, all ready for us to go to debate this bill, because he was sending it to the Commerce Committee and he wanted to brief me. As David Shearer, who is the member for Mt Albert, has said, he has tremendous respect for Dr Shane Reti.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EI have tremendous respect, too, for David Shearer. He has had a worldly experience, but I am slightly confused as to how he thinks that a bank that lends customers money to buy certain consumer goods can be jointly liable with the seller of the good. What he is actually, literally, saying is that if banks loaned money to people who purchased homes in Christchurch, which was devastated by earthquakes, and those people have earthquake damage, then those banks are liable for the damage as well. I think that is what he is saying. I am a little bit confused by his analogy as to how a third party who is the lender of the money to consumers can be jointly liable for something that goes wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EYou may not understand, but some of us girls have to get shavers for our hairy legs as well. Recently, I had the experience of purchasing an epilator that did not actually work. I had to go back to the shop to return the good and say that it did not work. If I had, in fact, borrowed money to purchase that epilator, and it was not just the shop that sold me a bung epilator that was liable but also the bank that loaned me the money to purchase that epilator was jointly liable\u2014that just does not make sense. This bill is about separating the supplier of the good and the financier\u2014the lender of the money\u2014because they are the unrelated third party who should not be liable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000693\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d29c6540d9a54fd4b1e58a3638ce2cfe\u0022\u003EJami-Lee Ross\u003C/span\u003E: You can tell that Shane Reti wrote this speech.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c6e598344bc4848be1362f189ec17ad\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha! He is listening. I am not so sure he is actually liking the examples. I do not know why I actually said that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EThe aim of the bill is to amend the Consumer Guarantees Act 1993 by changing the definition of \u201Csupplier\u201D in the Act to exclude the lender who is an unrelated party. As Dr Shane Reti said, if they happen to be related\u2014for example, if I am purchasing something from, let us say, David Shearer, and I think he actually mentioned Hyundai, and he happened to be also a financier in that company, maybe as \u201CDavid Shearer Finance\u201D or something, and he is the seller of that good as well as the financier, then he should be liable. Both of those companies should be liable because he is, effectively, that one person who is selling as well as financing. In that sense, we are joining in one and separating in another. What we are actually saying is that when they are unrelated parties, they should not be liable, but if they are joint and relatable parties then they should be liable. I think I got that, Shane? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EI am looking forward to the submissions process in the select committee, and I am hoping that lots of people will submit on the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003ENational believes in well-informed borrowing practices and good consumer law and smart lending policy. This bill will, in fact, clarify the Consumer Guarantees Act by making an amendment and updating the responsibilities of traders and lenders. I think Dr Shane Reti has done himself proud with this little bill, and I think he has actually been very proactive in meeting with members to explain what the bill is. It is a real shame that he did not have a catch-up with David Shearer, because, obviously, he never got the message. I think it is a little wee ripper of a bill, and I look forward to hearing the submissions in the select committee. I commend the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00223d78ca84ca634c0b84cb0f3e0974fea3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223d78ca84ca634c0b84cb0f3e0974fea3\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I am actually tempted to call Mr Bakshi after that contribution, but I think I had better call Mojo Mathers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a94870a7-abc4-4c1b-bd1e-8a27b98a2a4c\u0022 data-id=\u0022441c402848c84c48b0fe40a77dfc3595\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a94870a7-abc4-4c1b-bd1e-8a27b98a2a4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022441c402848c84c48b0fe40a77dfc3595\u0022\u003EMOJO MATHERS (Green):\u003C/span\u003E OK, well, I take my hat off to the previous speakers for managing to generate heaps of enthusiasm for what I consider to be a particularly uninspiring, pedantic bill. We will be supporting it. We do think that the basic point is correct. It was an unintended consequence of the amendment that we passed in 2003 to make the unrelated lender liable for consumer goods that were purchased by that loan. However, it is with quite a degree of frustration that we are debating this in the House at all. I cannot generate the enthusiasm for fixing up what I think is a fairly unintended mistake, because I do not see the bill as being either brave or inspiring or bold or any of those other things that I think members\u2019 bills should be. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a94870a7-abc4-4c1b-bd1e-8a27b98a2a4c\u0022\u003EYesterday my colleague Kevin Hague gave his valedictory speech in the House, and he challenged us all to be brave, to stand for something. Members\u2019 bills are our opportunity to be brave and stand for something. We have just had my colleague Catherine Delahunty\u2019s bill in the House, a public works amendment bill, and a number of speakers commended her for being brave, whether they supported it or they did not. We had a debate about some very real and very important issues about the grave injustice that had been done to the people in the land. I doubt that in this case there is really any grave injustice that is happening. If there is any injustice, it is happening to some firms that can probably carry the few rare occasions when that might be happening. I would be very interested to know if it does actually happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000701\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a94870a7-abc4-4c1b-bd1e-8a27b98a2a4c\u0022\u003ESo, yes, it is frustrating to be standing here\u2014a frustrating bill, an uninspiring bill. We will vote for it. That is really all I have got to say, because I do not want to be wasting the House\u2019s time any further on this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022 data-id=\u00227425bb8276bb4447a42d30bc092f351e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227425bb8276bb4447a42d30bc092f351e\u0022\u003EBRETT HUDSON (National):\u003C/span\u003E It is a pleasure to speak on this, the Consumer Guarantees (Removal of Unrelated Party Lender Responsibility) Amendment Bill. I would like to congratulate my colleague Dr Reti on introducing this bill. This is a very, very good bill. It is seeking to ensure that we apportion responsibility where it best rests. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EThis Government has done a lot of work around the responsibility of lenders to ensure that people who take out loans are well-informed and that those processes are very transparent, in order to seek to tackle predatory lending conditions and predatory lenders. Similarly, we are of the view that manufacturers and sellers are where the responsibility lies under the Consumer Guarantees Act\u2014or where it should lie\u2014for the fitness for purpose of the goods sold and, in fact, their durability. This is the part of the Consumer Guarantees Act that most consumers understand the most\u2014that when they purchase a good, it should do what it is supposed to do and it should last for a reasonable period of time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EAt the moment under the Consumer Guarantees Act it is possible that lenders who have no part in the specifications of the good or in the selling of the good can be held responsible for those elements of the Consumer Guarantees Act, and our argument is that they really should not be. Members opposite have asked for examples of this, and I will give what I hope is a nice, simple one. Let us take the purchase of a motor vehicle. If I go to purchase a car from a local car dealer and I go along to the bank\u2014and my bank is the Bank of New Zealand\u2014and I take out a personal loan for a sum of money that allows me to purchase that car, there is not a person in New Zealand who would hold that the BNZ has any responsibility for the quality of the car or for its durability and whether it lasts 1 year or 10 years. No one in New Zealand, I would suggest\u2014no one in the public\u2014would think that the bank in that situation should have any liability if the car, in fact, turns out to be a bit of a lemon and falls over after a couple of months. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EYou can take other situations where the dealer has some level of involvement, but one might then still question whether the lender in those conditions should have some liability. For instance, if I go to the bank and get the money myself, no one would see a link. But if I went to the car dealership and the dealership said \u201CWell, I can arrange this loan for you with your bank, the BNZ.\u201D, all it is doing is relieving me of a bit of administrative burden. In that case, I would argue that most people would say that, actually, the bank still has no part in the decision, quality, or specifications of the vehicle, because the loan processing in the application is being processed by another person to assist me. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EThen you get into situations where it is not, say, a major trading bank but it could be a finance company not connected, as such, to the dealership but specialising in motor vehicle finance, and you could take the situation there. So there is no ownership relationship between it and the car dealer, but because it specialises in vehicle finance, it is a natural avenue for that dealer, to help assist a consumer or a purchaser wanting to buy a car, to get the loan to complete that transaction. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EI look forward, actually, to debating in the select committee whether the financier in that position should have some liability. I would suggest the answer is still no. But to use a potential, real-world scenario, where we would hold\u2014even under the changes that are proposed in this bill\u2014that the lender could, and perhaps should, have responsibility, take where you have a motor vehicle group, say, that may have multiple franchises and it runs its own lending organisation. In that case, the dealership and the dealer are using their group of companies\u2019 finance company to provide the loan so that a person can purchase a car from another member of that group. In that situation, I think it is very, very plausible that the public at large\u2014and the purchaser of the vehicle, indeed\u2014would also say that, actually, the lender in this situation is very much a party to the entire purchase and is not simply extending a line of credit so that one can walk into a dealership and buy a car. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EI am sure that is an example that will be traversed in the select committee, which is where this very, very good bill belongs. Because I sit on the Commerce Committee, I look forward to scrutinising the bill and hearing submissions. At this stage, I would commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e11a5f05-1940-41b2-8f1e-911dba7a43a5\u0022 data-id=\u00228b880487c71b4ea7b52e3f4ec15c45da\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e11a5f05-1940-41b2-8f1e-911dba7a43a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228b880487c71b4ea7b52e3f4ec15c45da\u0022\u003EFLETCHER TABUTEAU (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I would add my voice to those who have noted the sponsoring member\u2019s aptitude, his intelligence, and his considered debate in the House oft-times, and, in fact, I would like to acknowledge Melissa Lee as well. She gave a good contribution this evening, so much so that both of them combined actually made me think about my position. But in the end it is a commiseration speech I give to Mr Shane Reti, because this is a non-event. It is an answer to a problem that does not really exist, and the circular nature of the contributions from that side of the House kind of underlies the issue with this piece of legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e11a5f05-1940-41b2-8f1e-911dba7a43a5\u0022\u003EThen Mr Hudson gave his contribution, which did not help the Government\u2019s cause whatsoever. What I would point out to Mr Hudson is that he failed to recognise the Responsible Lending Code, which he kind of alluded to, but let us talk about that in a little bit more detail for the members\u2019 and the public\u2019s consideration. It provides the general principle that every lender must \u201Cexercise the care, diligence, and skill of a responsible lender\u201D when advertising, before agreeing to provide credit or finance and taking guarantees, and\u2014and\u2014in all subsequent dealings with borrowers and guarantors. The code lays out the responsibilities lenders owe to consumers, in considerable detail. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e11a5f05-1940-41b2-8f1e-911dba7a43a5\u0022\u003ESo I put it to Mr Reti that he has kind of missed an opportunity here and, in fact, he is using the wrong piece of legislation to deal with this problem that does not really exist. He mentioned stakeholders in his original contribution, and I put it to the members on that side of the House that I think he was talking to the wrong stakeholders. He was not thinking about the consumers when he was engaging with those stakeholders. For example, I agree with Mr Shearer, in his contribution, that this is more about limiting the protections of consumers than it is about improving them. It is about improving the protection of the lenders, and New Zealand First would suggest to this House that that is not the recourse or the protection that we would want for New Zealand consumers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e11a5f05-1940-41b2-8f1e-911dba7a43a5\u0022\u003ESo, regardless of how well-intentioned the member\u2019s bill may be, the effect would be to weaken the protection of consumers under the Act. On principle, New Zealand First believes that where consumers\u2019, suppliers\u2019, and lenders\u2019 rights intercept, there has to be a presumption and a preference to protect the consumer in those incidents, especially when we are talking about the Consumer Guarantees Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e11a5f05-1940-41b2-8f1e-911dba7a43a5\u0022\u003EI have listened to the member Shane Reti about why he believes the bill would be good. However, we do not believe that, in so far as an issue of unrelated lenders being liable under the Consumer Guarantees Act exists, this bill is the best way to address the issue, as I intimated earlier. Instead, if an issue does exist, we would argue that these definitional issues are best resolved by the discretion of the courts, and they have, thus far, been doing that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e11a5f05-1940-41b2-8f1e-911dba7a43a5\u0022\u003EThe Consumer Guarantees Act is a 1993 piece of legislation, and the courts have been using that piece of legislation to process these problems. Our courts have the ability to interpret this Act. The courts have this kind of broad interpretive discretion, and I believe that they are better placed to deal with the issue that Mr Reti so eloquently spoke to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e11a5f05-1940-41b2-8f1e-911dba7a43a5\u0022\u003EIt is pretty clear. The intention may be right, but I think it is a missed opportunity. We do not support this bill going further. It is an answer that does not actually have a problem. We would like the bill not to proceed, and cannot support it. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022 data-id=\u002283e595e95f2146a2bcd4ab5ce2bcfeb9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002283e595e95f2146a2bcd4ab5ce2bcfeb9\u0022\u003EJAMI-LEE ROSS (Junior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave for the House to rise at the conclusion of the Consumer Guarantees (Removal of Unrelated Party Lender Responsibility) Amendment Bill or at 10 p.m., whichever is earlier.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002297dddaafe8fc42518604dd3ddaf59556\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002297dddaafe8fc42518604dd3ddaf59556\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Is there any objection to that? There is none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022 data-id=\u00224041bee601ab40d7a4719f4ab1d65555\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224041bee601ab40d7a4719f4ab1d65555\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR (National\u2014T\u0101maki):\u003C/span\u003E I am very pleased to take what will now be a short call on this Consumer Guarantees (Removal of Unrelated Party Lender Responsibility) Amendment Bill, which is quite symbolic, really. This is a fairly short, simple, and technical bill, but I am looking forward to it, and I hope that, through the votes, it is coming to the Commerce Committee, where we will be able to tease a few things out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EAs the member Shane Reti has rightly pointed out, this is around, I think, the definition of a particular word, but, as we all know, particular words can have significant meanings. Really, this bill is doing just two things within that. It is saying that if the lender and the trader are, effectively, the same people, then they should be treated as one entity\u2014in my own terminology. If they are not related, then, in fact, there should not be a relationship. I think it was Brett Hudson and Melissa Lee in particular who raised that, actually, just because you go to your bank and get a loan for buying a television\u2014some other examples were used, but I am going to stick to televisions\u2014the bank should not be responsible for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EAll I want to put on the record is that I think it is going to be quite interesting\u2014putting my chair of the Health Committee hat on\u2014to look at how doctors work. Often they lend money in different ways to help their patients. I will be interested to see how this bill deals with that. So I am very pleased at this point to recommend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022 data-id=\u0022f884ffbffb064b65b0565ff606a9f912\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f884ffbffb064b65b0565ff606a9f912\u0022\u003ECLARE CURRAN (Labour\u2014Dunedin South):\u003C/span\u003E Well, in the spirit of the debate in the House tonight, can I congratulate Dr Shane Reti for having his member\u2019s bill drawn from the ballot. Having a member\u2019s bill drawn is an uncommon thing for some of us in the House, or a rare thing. Some of us have more bills drawn than others, but it is the luck of the draw and so it deserves to be taken seriously. Every piece of legislation\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b2567d3e-a09c-47b4-bd50-2f5bb4049762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb648df752ef494a96856305caebb9bf\u0022\u003ESue Moroney\u003C/span\u003E: Well, most.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d30b6f16d9d14b508cfb6da5d9e3fa5e\u0022\u003ECLARE CURRAN\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014pretty much most\u2014deserves to have debate about its importance. The more that I am listening to the debate tonight, the more, as a member of the Commerce Committee\u2014if this bill passes tonight, then I think there will be an interesting ideological, philosophical discussion, actually, about principles. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EIn my view, this bill is not a small change; this is actually, because it is a change to the interpretation in an Act, quite a fundamental change. So there are actually important points of principle here. We note that this was actually drawn from a paper written by The New Zealand Initiative, which comes from a particular ideological point of view\u2014and I am making no comment about that. But when you change an interpretation\u2014a fundamental interpretation\u2014in a piece of legislation, it actually really matters. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EMy first point is that the description of the Consumer Guarantees Act in your amendment bill is actually not about a further protection for consumers; it is, basically, a protection for lenders. As a result of that, it diminishes the protection for consumers, so that is basically what we will be debating and discussing when it comes to the select committee, and what the impact of that is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EAnother important point to make is\u2014this is, I guess, around priorities\u2014about what the priority is when it comes to consumers and guarantees around consumers. I commend the New Zealand First speaker, Fletcher Tabuteau, for raising the Responsible Lending Code, because there is much work yet to be done in that space. If you are going to be talking about consumer guarantees, it would be much better if we were adopting the course proposed by my colleague Kris Faafoi in his member\u2019s bill, the Credit Reforms (Responsible Lending) Bill, which strengthens the protections for consumers against loan sharks and the enormous interest rates that loan sharks can impose, and the vulnerabilities that consumers end up facing. That is a fundamental change that would actually do a lot of good, in terms of protecting consumers. There has been a lot of public outcry around that particular issue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EIt is really apposite to note, around this issue\u2014where has been the outcry? Where is the problem? David Shearer, my colleague, raised that, and it has been reinforced by others in the House. Who is actually saying that this is a problem? Where is the call for there to be a change\u2014a fundamental change\u2014in the interpretation of the Consumer Guarantees Act, which has been in place for some time? What is the point of changing the interpretation of that, unless there is actually a problem that you are trying to solve? Not you, Mr Assistant Speaker, but the member Dr Shane Reti. I think that is what we will be trying to tease out if this bill comes to the select committee: what is the problem here? Why do we have a Consumer Guarantees Act? It is a mechanism. There are other pieces of legislation that recourse can be got from, but there are important reasons as to why the Consumer Guarantees Act exists and why those protections are there for consumers as recourse. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EFundamentally, I think this is an Orwellian piece of legislation, actually, because what you are proposing to do is the opposite of what the intent of this legislation actually is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022 data-id=\u0022bf5eb0bad3564eb9be46fd4003b208ad\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000729\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bf5eb0bad3564eb9be46fd4003b208ad\u0022\u003EDr SHANE RETI (National\u2014Whangarei):\u003C/span\u003E I would like to thank everyone from around the House for their contributions tonight. Undoubtedly, bills like this are improved when they go to a select committee, and I have no doubt that this will be too. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000730\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EThe only comment I would make is that when we look at international legislation and see how much stronger and firmer it is in this space\u2014it is important internationally; it must be important for us also. I think we need to tidy up and strengthen what we are doing here. So, with that, I thank everyone for their contributions tonight, and, with the will of the House, the bill will advance to the Commerce Committee. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022dadf52c9ffea497093aab8fe930f055d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Consumer Guarantees (Removal of Unrelated Party Lender Responsibility) Amendment Bill be now read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 77\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; Green Party 14; M\u0101ori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 44\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 32; New Zealand First 12.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBill read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022 data-id=\u00228af0e199c0404901b676e18e30790f0e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000731\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228af0e199c0404901b676e18e30790f0e\u0022\u003EDr SHANE RETI (National\u2014Whangarei):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Consumer Guarantees (Removal of Unrelated Party Lender Responsibility) Amendment Bill be reported to the House by 31 January 2017.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000732\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201609215d6f34e9de174ad8bea359910cb5f44d000733\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 9.57 p.m. to 9 a.m. (Thursday)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c1244cb3979e42b1b97210acbcad010c\u0022\u003EWEDNESDAY, 21 SEPTEMBER 2016\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000002\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223ff436a6bc00459fa9ca1857012d86b6\u0022\u003E(continued on Thursday, 22 September 2016)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022febe171cb45947e5bd23ae1f85e94876\u0022\u003EConsumer Guarantees (Removal of Unrelated Party Lender Responsibility) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002245dc548679df40bf90fd79a713dc6814\u0022\u003EReferral to Commerce Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00229fcdf845327f4e25bd09cb8bbd34e0ff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229fcdf845327f4e25bd09cb8bbd34e0ff\u0022\u003EHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E Last night, following the first reading of members\u2019 order of the day No. 2, the House did not vote on the question that the bill be considered by the Commerce Committee, the select committee indicated by Dr Reti in his speech. That was my fault. I seek the leave of the House for the Consumer Guarantees (Removal of Unrelated Party Lender Responsibility) Amendment Bill to be considered by the Commerce Committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022 data-id=\u00227cfb76bf07d24b358c42c94879a4c5e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227cfb76bf07d24b358c42c94879a4c5e7\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is put for that purpose. Is there any objection? There appears to be none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002230efc945cfdf4c4cbe019eb9fdb49c64\u0022\u003EKarakia\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d3b045c279ec48a5a20d1c10967da27a\u0022\u003EKarakia\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022 data-id=\u00225512262a59824046baf9143ec9f2b532\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225512262a59824046baf9143ec9f2b532\u0022\u003EHon TE URUROA FLAVELL (Co-Leader\u2014M\u0101ori Party):\u003C/span\u003E Mr Deputy Speaker, k\u0101re au i te tino m\u014Dhio m\u0113n\u0101 e tika ana kia p\u0113nei \u0113ngari, hei t\u012Bmatanga k\u014Drero m\u014D t\u0101tau ko te \u012Bnoi atu ki a koe kia whakaaetia, kia tuku karakia t\u0113tahi o Te Whare\u2014ka tahi. Ka rua, kai te kite atu i Te H\u014Dnore Mahara Okeroa, kai te \u012Bnoi atu kia riro m\u0101na t\u0101 t\u0101tau karakia e kawe i te t\u012Bmatanga mai o t\u014D t\u0101tau r\u0101; hei whakanui i te \u0101huatanga, ki te kore a ia e p\u012Brangi, kia rere ki t\u0113tahi atu o t\u014D t\u0101tau Whare, hei kawe i t\u0101 t\u0101tau karakia. Ki te kore, ko koe e Rurawhe, te mea e tika ana n\u014D roto hoki koe i t\u0113r\u0101 takiw\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E[Mr Deputy Speaker, I am not really sure whether this is permissible but, to begin our contributions, I seek leave from you to allow someone of our House to say a prayer\u2014that is the first one. Secondly, I note that the Hon Mahara Okeroa is present, and so I seek leave that he deliver our prayer to begin our day to honour that protocol, and should he not wish to do that, then for someone of our House to accord our prayer. Failing that, then it is fitting that you do it, Rurawhe, as you are from that area.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d6218ac22624ffaa050fb86542e185f\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I do not think it is within the Standing Orders for a visiting member who is not a current elected member to do that. I would ask the Hon Te Ururoa Flavell whether he would open with a karakia.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c20e1e983bb44f5ba72da7c5a562ab3\u0022\u003EHon TE URUROA FLAVELL\u003C/span\u003E: \u0100, m\u014Drena t\u0101tau, kai aku rangatira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Hai w\u0101wahi i te \u0101huatanga o w\u0101 t\u0101tau mahi i t\u0113nei r\u0101: \u201CT\u0113nei te ara kei runga, ko te ara o t\u0113nei Tipua, ko te aro o t\u0113nei \u0100riki, ko te aro o t\u0113nei Matua \u0101-iwi. Ko te aro o Ranginui e t\u016B nei, o Papat\u016B\u0101nuku e takoto nei, kia rarau iho r\u0101 ng\u0101 tapuwae o T\u0101ne, t\u0113nei Te P\u014D, nau mai Te Ao, taupokina Te P\u014D, hinga Te P\u014D turakina Te P\u014D, Te P\u014D uriuri, Te P\u014D tangotango, Te P\u014D oti atu, Te P\u014D hurihia ki tua. Hura Te R\u0101, kake Te R\u0101, mate ki Te R\u0101 ki te pae o kare taitimu, kare taipari, kare taimoana, takapau wh\u0101riki Papat\u016B\u0101nuku e takoto nei. Piki ake, kake ake Te R\u0101 ki te pae t\u016B o Rangihuakina. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EHuakina te umu, huakina te umu nui, te umu roa, te umu o T\u016B-te-winiwini , o T\u016B-te-wanawana, o T\u016B-nganahau i te ata p\u014D, i te ata h\u0101para, i te ata umurangi, huakina! E tuhi r\u0101 koe e Uenuku i te rangi \u0101niwaniwa. Ko Matawhero, ko Tautoru, ko T\u0101wera te whet\u016B takiata. T\u0101kiri te ata, hura te ata, haehaea te ata. Ka hura ka ao, ka ao Te P\u014D, t\u0101kina Te P\u014D ki tua. Te au ko te moe o Matahi taua e hoki ko te moe o Matahi tuna, e ara ko te matat\u016B o Rongo ki te tangi mai o te k\u014D-k\u014D-korimako. I te atat\u016B, t\u016B ka takat\u016B, koia r\u0101 e Rongo, whakairia ki runga. T\u016Bturu \u014D whiti whakamaua kia tina\u2013tina! Hui e, taiki e!\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EE kui m\u0101, e koro m\u0101, e tama m\u0101 e hine m\u0101 i te p\u014D, whakapiri mai, whakatata mai ki t\u0113nei huihuinga o m\u0101tau! T\u0113nei te whaiwhai haere i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero i k\u014Drerohia i roto i ng\u0101 pakitara o t\u0113nei Whare. He \u012Bnoi t\u0113nei n\u014D m\u0101tau\u2014kia riro m\u0101 koutou an\u014D r\u0101 m\u0101tau e \u0101rahi i roto i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero ka puta i t\u0113nei rangi, kia tau te rangim\u0101rie ki runga ki t\u0113n\u0101, ki t\u0113n\u0101. Kei wareware i a m\u0101tau te hunga e rongo nei i te ngau o mamae, o p\u014Duri i t\u0113nei r\u0101, me tiki atu r\u0101 i te punawai o Hou-rongo kia maunu atu, kia makere atu, kia horo atu ng\u0101 weri o te kino. Kia t\u016B tinana w\u0101tea te ng\u0101kau, te wairua, te tinana i te ara o takat\u016B. Koia r\u0101 e Rongo, whakairia ki runga! T\u016Bturu \u014D whiti whakamaua kia tina! Tina! Hui e, taiki e! Kia ora t\u0101tau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003E[And so, morning to us. Greetings to you all, my esteemed ones. To open up our proceedings today: \u201CThis is the pathway above us. It is the front of this deity, this Lord, this father of the people. It is the front of the great heaven standing before us and of Mother Earth who lies here before us, upon whom man\u2019s footprints settles upon. It is the void, welcome the dawn, overwhelm the void; it succumbs, it is overthrown. The intensely dark void is gone for good; turn it aside. Dawn has begun, the sun has arisen. It has arrived on the horizon of the ebbing and rising tide of the great ocean. Our birthmother lies beneath us. The sun has arisen and travelled to the standing perch of Rangihuakina (The sun revealed). \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EReveal the oven, the great oven, the long oven, the oven of T\u016B the fearsome, T\u016B the all inspiring, T\u016B who persists at dawn, at first light, at the red appearance in the sky. Make way. May you appear Uenuku as the rainbow adorning the sky. It is Mars, it is Orion, it is Venus, the morning star. Breaketh the day, unveil the day, lacerate the morning. It has risen, it is day. Night has become day, extinguish the night. Light is the sleep of a warrior unlike the sleep of an eel catcher. Awaken the alert one of Rongo to the sound of the Korimako. It is dawn; stand and be prepared. Thus Rongo, suspend it high above us. Let it be permanently secured; draw together. Affirm. It is affirmed.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ec266512-9fe8-47da-883e-48f046ee5059\u0022\u003EDraw closer to this gathering of ours, you elderly women, men, and young folk of the void, come closer. The task here is to follow up on the talk that was delivered before inside the walls of this House. Our plea is that you guide us in our contributions today, to ensure that peace prevails upon each and every one. We must never forget those who experience pain and sorrow today, and we reach into the calming pool of Hou-rongo to clear away any harmful evil doings and to free up the heart, body, and spirit of mankind. Thus, Rongo, suspend it high above us. Secure it permanently, draw together; affirm it! It is affirmed!]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022 data-id=\u0022be11c24af646469d9831ab21a37ada3e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022be11c24af646469d9831ab21a37ada3e\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: T\u0113n\u0101 koutou te iwi Te Atiawa o Te Iwi Taranaki, karanga mai, mihi mai aku rangatira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou te wh\u0101nau o Te Whare P\u0101remata, kia ora koutou katoa. Ahakoa k\u0101ore ahau e \u0101hei ki te kauhau i \u0113nei momo pire, i te w\u0101 e noho ana i runga i Te T\u016Bru o Te Mana Whakaw\u0101, ka mihi ahau ki Te Atiawa o Te Iwi Taranaki i t\u0113nei r\u0101 whakahirahira. Ka hoki ng\u0101 mahara ki te hunga kua wehe atu p\u0113nei i a Wikit\u014Dria Keenan, he mea nui te m\u0101takitaki i t\u0113nei kaupapa. Kia pai te haere e hoa m\u0101, ka w\u2019hakarongo p\u012Bkari ahau, ahakoa k\u0101ore ahau i te k\u014Drero, kei te waiata taku ng\u0101kau, ng\u0101 mihi nui ki a koutou. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003E[Acknowledgments to you, the people of Te Atiawa of the Taranaki tribe; summon thus, extend salutations, my esteemed ones, and greetings to you, the family of Parliament House, acknowledgments to you all. Although I am unable to speak on these kinds of bills while I occupy the Speaker\u2019s Chair, I acknowledge you, Te Atiawa of the Taranaki tribe, on this important day. My thoughts go back to those who have passed away, like Wikit\u014Dria Keenan. Observing this event is a wonderful thing; go well, friends. I will listen intently, and, although I am not able to make a contribution, my heart is singing. A huge appreciation to you collectively, so acknowledgments, greetings, and salutations to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228d2fa7ea9c1d48ef9c7ba64679a8f09f\u0022\u003ETe Atiawa Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022933eaa6737f147a2bcd666e72aba0db7\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u0022ff1b0d5fcfa94ceca8b5dd47cbd2d294\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ff1b0d5fcfa94ceca8b5dd47cbd2d294\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Te Atiawa Claims Settlement Bill be now read a second time. This bill gives effect to a deed of settlement between the Crown and Te Atiawa that was signed on a beautiful late winter\u2019s day in August 2014 in New Plymouth. The settlement comprises historical redress, which records the breaches and the past injustices caused by failures of the Crown; cultural redress, recognising the traditional historical cultural and spiritual association of the people of Te Atiawa with a number of their most culturally significant sites; and financial and commercial redress, reasserting the role of Te Atiawa in the region. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EFor me, I want to acknowledge the excellent work of Te Atiawa negotiators, and I was so pleased, Mr Deputy Speaker, that you mentioned Wikit\u014Dria Keenan. The last time that I saw her was at the signing of the deed. She was unwell but made every effort to be there. I acknowledge my ministerial colleagues and Government and other agencies that have contributed to the bill, and I also want to acknowledge the work of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and its commitment to exploring very comprehensively the matters raised by submitters. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe committee began its consideration of the bill in April this year, and it considered eight submissions from interested groups and individuals. The committee also heard oral evidence from five submitters at hearings in New Plymouth and Wellington. The committee has recommended that the bill be passed with a number of amendments, which include changes to clauses relating to fines for offences under regulations and by-laws; the addition of a subclause to ensure that nominations for iwi representation align with those in the Ng\u0101ruahine Claims Settlement Bill and the Taranaki Iwi Claims Settlement Bill; an amendment of the definition of \u201CTaranaki Iwi\u201D to include hap\u016B to the extent that they are composed of individuals who no longer form distinct communities within Taranaki iwi; a self-repealing clause over the Waitara lands clause of the bill so that it is repealed on the same day that the Waitara Harbour Act and the Waitara Borough Reserves Vesting Act are repealed; and other minor technical amendments that are not specifically referred to in the committee\u2019s commentary on the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI want to say something about the Waitara lands, as well as other issues that the committee raised in its report. No one is in any doubt at all\u2014especially after last night\u2019s debate\u2014that the Waitara endowment lands are of huge cultural and spiritual importance to the people of Te Atiawa. The lands have been the subject of very intense negotiations between Te Atiawa and the Crown and the council over a number of years. In its commentary on the bill, the committee provided a useful summary of these negotiations and the resulting recommended amendments to the bill. The committee also notes its concern that the bill does not address all of the issues raised to it regarding the lands. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EDuring the final stages of the settlement bill, the New Plymouth District Council proposed a Waitara lands local bill. The local bill will, if enacted, render one aspect of the Treaty bill redundant. In light of the proposed local bill the committee recommended including a self-repealing clause within the settlement legislation to account for the local bill. My officials are going to take an active part in the select committee work on that local bill, which, as we know, was sent to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee last night, and we look forward to working with the council and Te Atiawa to reach a durable outcome for all parties. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ECan I pay credit to the negotiators who have had to make some difficult decisions and significant concessions during settlement talks. This pragmatic approach and willingness to work with both the Crown and the local council has enabled a pathway forward that provides a realistic opportunity for the people of Te Atiawa to be involved in future consultation and negotiations that recognise their aspirations in relation to these lands. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EIn its consideration of the bill the committee addressed the right-of-first-refusal land. Although the committee is not recommending any amendments to the bill in relation to the right-of-first-refusal list, it notes that some committee members considered there should be a mechanism in settlement legislation for land that becomes available at a future date to be offered back as a right of first refusal, even if it does not appear on the list. The difficulty here is that once a list is agreed and the deed signed it is subject to the overlapping claims process and being ratified by the claimant community. The Crown\u2019s objective is to achieve fair and durable settlements with groups. Ratification and the overlapping claims process ensures a balance is maintained between addressing the grievances of one group without creating further grievances for another group. To undo either of these key aspects of settlement negotiations risks unsettling the balance that is achieved at the negotiating table. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThis bill brings to an end many, many long years of negotiation between Te Atiawa and the Crown. The settlement is the end of a long journey that signals the beginning of a new journey into the settlement area, which I sincerely hope will be a new and improved relationship with the Crown and a time for peace and a time for looking to the future, and I believe it can be, if the Crown honours its undertakings and acts in accordance with Treaty principles. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EBefore I commend the bill to the House I need to just say a few things about the events of the last few days. I will make these comments once only, rather than in each of today\u2019s second readings, because I am very disappointed it was not possible for these bills and the Ng\u0101ruahine Claims Settlement Bill to proceed to a third reading tomorrow. I was particularly looking forward to tomorrow for the iwi of Taranaki. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI remember very well\u2014and perhaps my good friend Mr Okeroa was there as well\u2014M\u0101ui P\u014Dmare Day of 2009 at \u014Cwae Marae. I think I startled a few of the Office of Treaty Settlements officials for going off message when I suggested that it would be great to enter into negotiations with the iwi of Taranaki. And I remember very well March 2010, when we signed the terms of negotiation in the morning at Puke Ariki with Te Atiawa, and then we went round to Taranaki\u2019s principal marae round the coast to sign the terms of negotiation in the afternoon. Ng\u0101ruahine came a little bit later. But since that time I have come to know these iwi very, very well, and I have huge respect and affection for these iwi and their leaders. They have some of the best iwi leaders in the country. I have also come to know their history. It really has been the education of a public man, learning about the Land Wars, learning about the horrors of Parihaka, and the sadness that so many people have experienced for far too long. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThere is much I could say, but I choose not to. These are very dignified occasions and it is not appropriate to descend into verbal slanging matches, particularly when we have guests in the gallery. What I do want to say to the iwi present today is that I am going to do my utmost to see that we have a third reading of these bills as soon as possible, and, as I have already communicated to the iwi, anyone who has suffered a loss as a result of the parliamentary actions over the last few days should contact the Office of Treaty Settlements. I am very disappointed, but to quote the line from that song in Life of Brian, \u201CAlways look on the bright side of life.\u201D\u2014it was when those three were all being crucified, I think. We will get through a lot of work today and hopefully it is not going to be too long before we progress to third readings. I welcome our friends in the gallery, and I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u002249ff888c8c28489c998cbd6ddd8cceb4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002249ff888c8c28489c998cbd6ddd8cceb4\u0022\u003EADRIAN RURAWHE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Hau\u0101uru):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare. Te mea tuatahi e t\u016B tautoko ana ahau i te karakia ka tukuna atu e te h\u014Dnore mema a Te Ururoa Flavell i t\u0113nei ata. N\u014D reira, e Te Minita, t\u0113nei ahau tuku mihi atu ki a koe roto i te kor\u014Driatanga o Ihowa o ng\u0101 mano, Matua, Tama, Wairua tapu, ng\u0101 anaherea pono, Te M\u0101ngai hei tautoko mai, \u0101ianei, ake nei, \u0101e! Oti noa, t\u0113nei ahau e tuku mihi atu ki a Te Ati Awa i t\u0113nei w\u0101, ki ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa o Te Ati Awa, oti noa ng\u0101 uri katoa o Awanui\u0101rangi, te tamaiti o Tamarau-te-heketanga-\u0101-Rangi r\u0101ua ko Rongoueroa, n\u014D reira ki a koutou Manu K\u014Drihi, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hira, Ng\u0101ti T\u0101whitikura, Ng\u0101ti T\u016Bparikino, Ng\u0101ti Te Whiti, \u014Ctaraua, Pukerangiora, me Puketapu an\u014D hoki, a Te Ati Awa nui tonu, t\u0113nei ahau e tuku mihi atu ki a koutou, nau mai, haere mai, whakatau mai ki Te Whare P\u0101remata nei. E tuku mihi hoki ahau ki Te Minita m\u014D t\u014Dna k\u014Drero mai ki Te Whare i t\u0113nei ata, ng\u0101 k\u014Drero whakam\u0101rama e p\u0101 ana ki \u0113tehi o ng\u0101 take kei roto i te pire nei. N\u014D reira e tika ana kia tuku atu i te mihi ki t\u014Dna k\u014Drero.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. The first thing is that I endorse the prayer accorded by the honourable member Te Ururoa Flavell this morning. Therefore, I thank you, Minister, in the glory of Jehovah of the thousands, the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and the Blessed Angels, and for the Mouthpiece to support now and for ever, yes! I extend a welcome indeed to Te Ati Awa and all its hap\u016B at this time, suffice to say to all the descendants of Awanui\u0101rangi, the child of Tamarau-te-heketanga-\u0101-Rangi and Rongoueroa, and to you collectively, therefore, Manu K\u014Drihi, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hira, Ng\u0101ti T\u0101whitikura, Ng\u0101ti Tuparikino, Ng\u0101ti Te Whiti, \u014Ctaraua, Pukerangiora, and Puketapu, and to all of you at large Te Ati Awa as well, I welcome you all, come hither to this Parliament House. I also commend the Minister for his address to the House this morning, in terms of his explanations in relation to some matters in this bill. Therefore it is appropriate that I acknowledge his contribution.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI want to go straight into some specific issues within the Te Atiawa Claims Settlement Bill. I want to, first of all, take a couple of quotes from the bill itself around the acknowledgment and the apology. Within the settlement bill: \u201CThe Crown acknowledges that\u2014(a) it unfairly treated Te Atiawa as being in rebellion; and (b) the confiscations of 1865 were indiscriminate in extent and application and had a devastating effect on the welfare, economy, culture, and social development of Te Atiawa;\u201D. It goes on, in the apology, to say: \u201CThe Crown is sorry for the immense prejudice it caused by confiscating the lands of Te Atiawa. The raupatu was indiscriminate, unjust, and unconscionable. The Crown deeply regrets the damage this caused to the economy and society of Te Atiawa.\u201D It is important that we remember that, in the context of the overall bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ELast night I spoke on the New Plymouth District Council (Waitara Lands) Bill in its first reading. One of the things that I spoke about too was the Waitara lands. I want to restate what I said in relation to that bill, here today on this bill. It is important that we acknowledge that this process of settlement is one that is flawed. It does not deliver everything that iwi would want it to deliver\u2014it does not even pretend to do that. It is a negotiated settlement. It is not compensation; it is redress. It is incumbent upon each and every settlement group, each and every iwi that goes through this process, that it fully understands what the process can deliver and what it cannot deliver. And it is also incumbent on each settlement group to ask the big question: \u201CCan we live with that?\u201D. In this instance I am absolutely certain that the negotiators would have asked themselves that question\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI refer to the Waitara lands\u2014the confiscation of the Pekapeka Block\u2014and the pain and anguish that people still carry today around that. The hap\u016B of that area, that Manukorihi\u014Dtaraua\u2014members of those hap\u016B still bear the burden of that trauma that happened in 1865. It is important also to note that the negotiators came up with an agreement with the Crown and signed that deed of settlement\u2014the deed of settlement that is a binding document; the deed of settlement that outlines how Te Atiawa, on behalf of all of its hap\u016B, wants to move forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe clause within the bill, which is basically a voluntary clause around the ability for Te Atiawa to purchase the endowment lands at Waitara\u2014that is a voluntary clause that is in the bill that gives the opportunity for Te Atiawa to purchase the lands from the district council. The bill that was introduced and read a first time last night will, as the Minister acknowledged, effectively, remove that. Within the bill, the recommendation from the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee was that there be an automatic repeal of that clause. Based on the bill that was read a first time last night, that basically makes those clauses redundant. So I think that it is important that that is in the mix in this discussion. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI think that it is really important\u2014taking in context the acknowledgment and the apology\u2014that we do not add another layer of breach upon this current bill. That is a big question, and my challenge to all of the participating interests within this bill and the bill that was read a first time last night\u2014it is absolutely, critically important that your compelling evidence is presented to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee for it to be considered. I know that there are many people who are hurting about one or both of these bills. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThis is a process that needs to be inclusive. It needs to ensure that everyone, as much as possible, is on board with this settlement. The settlement needs to be enduring; it needs to last beyond several generations, for each generation that comes into the future. The reason why you would accept a redress that is considerably less than the total value of the loss\u2014you would do it for the future generations. It is very important for this House to be confident that this settlement will endure, and to have a bill read for the first time that the entire Parliament agreed to. I think the important thing there is that it agreed to it so that everyone could have their say. From what I can tell from what everyone has said in this House about that bill: beyond select committee, there are no deals on this particular legislation. I think it should be noted that everyone should be clear about the process before us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThere are a number of other issues that I do want to discuss. I know that the Committee stage is coming and there are a couple of areas that I do want to speak about, particularly on the right of first refusal and other matters. For this time, ka mutu taku k\u014Drero m\u014D t\u0113nei w\u0101, kei te haere tonu mai \u0113tehi atu k\u014Drero i roto i te whakahaerenga o t\u0113nei pire, kei roto i Te Whare nei, n\u014D reira, ki a Te Atiawa t\u0113nei ahau e tuku mi\u2019i atu ki a koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora mai t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[I end my contribution for now as other contributions relating to the administration of this bill continue in this House, so I commend you, Te Atiawa, congratulations to you and to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022 data-id=\u0022366d2a1203a74e248b2945383a2d4c8e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022366d2a1203a74e248b2945383a2d4c8e\u0022\u003EMARAMA FOX (Co-Leader\u2014M\u0101ori Party):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101, ka t\u016B ake au ki te mihi atu ki Te Whare, ki a koutou e hui nei i t\u0113nei w\u0101, te whakarongo ki te nekehanga o t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 pire. N\u0101u t\u0113nei pire, n\u0101 koutou t\u0113nei pire! I ng\u0101 marama, i ng\u0101 tau kua hipa atu n\u0101 koutou t\u0113nei pire i kawe, i tautohetohe, ki a wai? Ki Te Karauna! N\u0101 reira, kai te mihi atu ki a koutou me \u014D koutou kaha ki te whakapau werawera, te tutuki i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero katoa o te pire nei, koir\u0101 te mea tuatahi ki a au. N\u0101 reira e Te Whare, me \u014Dku hoa mahi o Te Komiti Whiriwhiri Take M\u0101ori, kai te mihi atu ki a koutou, me \u014D koutou kaha, te \u0101ta w\u0101nanga i ng\u0101 take kai roto i te pire, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I rise to acknowledge the House and you who are gathered here and listening to the progress of this one of the bills. This bill belongs to you; it is yours. You bore this bill in the months and years past. You debated it, and with whom? With the Crown. And so I salute you collectively in terms of your efforts and the sweat shed to complete all the talk about this bill, which is indeed foremost to me. Therefore I commend you, the House and my colleagues of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, for your efforts and diligent considerations of the issues in this bill. Well done; I commend you all.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EYou know, I am not sure that I can be as conciliatory as the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations this morning. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228666c4b1715349679db69766ac59af01\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Really?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aca14aa12bf94a32bccaca52e198bf15\u0022\u003EMARAMA FOX\u003C/span\u003E: I know it is a hard thing, and I have thought about this long, and I am not sure that I can be as soft-hearted. I have tried. I have tried to chill my pill for the last couple of days, but there are some things in this bill that were well debated during the committee stages. Every single part of this bill has been negotiated by people who know more about it than I do. Every single part of this bill has been negotiated by the members of Te Atiawa and Taranaki with the Office of Treaty Settlements\u2014with their Crown negotiators\u2014and, I tell you, over the years of these settlements, you know, our people have got better at negotiating. We are pretty good at that sort of stuff. We have been negotiating for 175 years over how to have our rights observed in the law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EThe Crown has also got pretty good at negotiating, and that is why we have this debate about the right of first refusal (RFR). You know, when you look back at the K\u0101i Tahu settlement, they got a geographic RFR over practically the whole island\u2014any land in the whole of Te Wai Pounamu that might come up at some time, just maybe. We have got an RFR\u2014yay! The Crown has gotten better at that now, so now you have got to have a list: \u201CShow me which bits of land you want.\u201D And then, when they found out when they went to go and purchase some land that, actually, the title was wrong, and they thought it was the council but it turned out to be the Government\u2014well, we cannot guarantee that any list that is out there is going to be correct. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003ESo we debated long and hard over whether to have a geographic RFR as well as a list RFR, and can I say that the time has probably come for the whole RFR issue to be reviewed\u2014the how and when. We have found out that, actually, there are a whole lot of stages before land gets offered back to iwi, if it is found to be available, and one of them is to offer it to a charity\u2014a charity, any charity. It could be the \u201CFox Wh\u0101nau Charity\u201D or the \u201CLooking After All Those Sick Kids in the Fox Wh\u0101nau House Charity\u201D. It could get offered back to them first, before it is offered back to iwi, and I find that quite despicable. I do not see the point in that at all. So I think it is time to review it completely. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EHowever, all of those things were debated and negotiated by the wh\u0101nau of Te Atiawa, one of whom you acknowledged this morning, Mr Deputy Speaker. But there is also Peter Moeahu, Wikit\u014Dria Keenan, Grant\u2014ah, I am going to say that wrong\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223c158c499ecb40e88cd7f1412cb73b89\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Knuckey.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022075f7cd338ee4c469251dc2031a38e04\u0022\u003EMARAMA FOX\u003C/span\u003E: Knuckey\u2014thank you. I was going to say \u201CKentucky\u201D, but, no\u2014sorry, Grant. There is also Keith Holswich, Liana Pout\u016B, and H\u0113mi Sundgren\u2014I am sorry, I am really bad at P\u0101keh\u0101 names. People mix me up with Marama Davidson all the time, so I sort of get it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EBut, you know, if I echo the words of Te Whiti o Rongomai, he would say that we celebrate the forbearance, the patience, the stout-heartedness of the iwi and their negotiators in getting to this point. If there was an issue, if there was a point to be made, or if there was something that through the first reading, the second reading, or the Committee stage needed to be talked about, then surely it could have gone back to them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003ETomorrow we could have been celebrating a long, hard-fought win that started with the people of Atiawa being accused of treason, which started under the Suppression of Rebellion Act. It started because they did not fight against the Crown or the Crown\u2019s forces, but they simply fought for house and home and refused to sell their lands, and, in doing so, they were accused of treason under the Suppression of Rebellion Act and the soldiers were wheeled in. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EThat is what we are talking about. All of those lands confiscated and people thrown unjustly into prison and held, killed, and taken, and after all of this time of trying to have that grievance settled, we come to the eleventh hour. This is why I am so upset. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EI do not care what little thing you might be pulling out to justify the stunt that was played in this House. Thirty years of negotiations\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e6a4f8f69fb4f70b0df2cd4f60c3f8f\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: This is showboating. We know more about this than you do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022441470732736433c8c4b1967cc09a4f3\u0022\u003EMARAMA FOX\u003C/span\u003E: Is that right? Tell them that, because this is what I will tell you, Mr Peters. This is straight from the chairperson, Liana Pout\u016B: \u201CWe were absolutely angry at the start, but now we are just disappointed.\u201D\u2014[Interruption]\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c060a22ed3bf4917b75522309b2a7008\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229bcc83e3c98c47869566e1049d8e5977\u0022\u003EMARAMA FOX\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014\u201CMore than that, New Zealand First have opposed the bill. What we\u2019re hearing is it\u2019s a technical thing, but we don\u2019t know much about it. The fact is their actions are disingenuous, and to pull not only our bill but five at such a late stage without any explanation to the iwi whose bills they are is really disingenuous and despicable. If they actually have a substantive issue that they are opposed to in the bill, I\u2019d rather know about it, and I\u2019d be happy for it to be pulled to sort that issue out. They\u2019ve pulled it without fronting up to us at all, and the five busloads of people ready to go down there, and that\u2019s not easy\u2014a logistical episode.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298f53c805d6840bda9e7f67746123366\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Stop showboating. You pulled the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f3c0b1130bc0476f9e88ba880862ded7\u0022\u003EMARAMA FOX\u003C/span\u003E: I did not. I objected. I want it known in the Hansard of this House that I objected to that day being cancelled, strongly. And I sent a message with your whip to tell you exactly\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222550a2f2ee054d61931210ca75fd9e85\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: So did we.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef5c06a2216c46f1a64a901d8400e844\u0022\u003EMARAMA FOX\u003C/span\u003E: You did not. Showboating and stunting you know very much about, Mr Peters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cbdac91c964c456f9eb4ab856814c969\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Take a seat please, I say to the member. Let us just remember what we are doing here today. Members will have a chance to speak. Having a constant barrage across the House and then a response to that does not do anything for the dignity of what we are trying to do here today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3b73c9e81df4788b49b5c65aff0195b\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I respect that view, and so does my party, but this is a debate, and at this stage it cannot be a barrage or a rewriting of history, and abuse of another party, when we will demonstrate\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc6c0cc781824d86ba1f424ced6f0461\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: How is this a point of order?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d0267b196ad4d3dbc948172ffd6798e\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: We do not mind them raising it for just one or two sentences, but to turn it into a barrage is not going to be tolerated by us, because it is utterly false.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267139af7acf3431f9f64e5c39edd4f9a\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I do not need any assistance in respect of that. The point that I made earlier was that the parties concerned will have their own speaking slot in which to state their case. Interjection is something that is part of a robust debate\u2014that is fine\u2014but let us just remember what we are doing here, and let us retain the decorum of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002210dce404760a43289abe63bd99b01821\u0022\u003EMARAMA FOX\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. Yes, I take it\u2014it is noted. I am going back to try to chill my pill again, because I do get a little bit upset about this, and I am reading not my words but the words of the chairman, who was also upset: \u201CThis potential delay is messing with people\u2019s livelihoods, their ability to move forward, and tantamount to a political party trampling on our mana.\u201D Not my words\u2014their words. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003ESo we come back to the issue of the bill. We are here to support the passage of this bill through the House so that we can move on, so that the wh\u0101nau of Te Atiawa can finally be able to have that redress recognised, so that they can finally have the opportunity to correct the imbalance that continues to exist, and so that they can finally take hold of the reins of rangatiratanga\u2014supported through the redress of the Crown, both cultural and financial\u2014and move on and move past, and offer back to the country what we have all recognised is one of the biggest koha to this country of M\u0101oridom. It is one of the largest koha to this country of M\u0101oridom to accept such a pittance\u2014to accept such a pittance\u2014for the great injustice that was carried out first here, and then around the rest of the country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EAnd to our wh\u0101nau, I feel the weight of it. This is not the made-up, crocodile-tear grandstanding that we are accused of, because we feel the weight of it\u2014the weight of the injustice. Your time is here, and I wish that it could be settled tomorrow, but we will have to wait. But we have waited such a long time, we are resilient and strong people, and we can wait a little bit longer. T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Deputy Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022 data-id=\u00227053333d15e8479b84e81ea90c7d8a75\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227053333d15e8479b84e81ea90c7d8a75\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Deputy Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou Te Whare P\u0101remata, he mihi nui ki a Te Atiawa wh\u0101nui, ki Te Atiawa Te Kotahitanga, ki te wh\u0101nau katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. Acknowledgments to you of the House, and a huge one to Te Atiawa at large, the Kotahitanga, and the entire family.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI would just like to stand and acknowledge the manuhiri who have come, the importance of this day, and the importance of what we are in the process of doing. I would like to acknowledge the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations and the work of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee on this important day. I am standing here for the first time on this bill, although this is its second reading. As the previous speaker, Marama Fox, said, I also feel a weight\u2014the weight of history that comes from what happened in Te Atiawa, and what that means to our nation. The shame I feel that so many people for so long have not understood the significance of what happened in Taranaki, in Te Atiawa, as the beginning of the total dispossession of tangata whenua across the motu\u2014when the colonial forces decided to take the land. So I think it is very important for us to acknowledge today the weight of history, the importance of trying to do better, and, in many ways, to express to Te Atiawa that Parliament may not yet have grown up, but you grew up a long time ago\u2014you had no choice. We need to honour that. We need to honour your effort and respond to your effort with equal respect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI just want to talk also about the way in which war, perpetual leases, and other mechanisms have been tools of alienation of land in Te Atiawa rohe, and how profoundly devious, as well as direct, the process of colonisation is. I am using the word \u201Cis\u201D, because I do not actually think it is over. I think this is a positive step in the right direction\u2014a controversial and positive and difficult step in the right direction\u2014but it is not over. The Green Party always stands to pay respect to the bill\u2014we will be supporting it\u2014but we also stand to pay respect to the fact that Te Tiriti o Waitangi, which was signed by Te Atiawa tupuna, does not finish. It cannot be full and final; it must be an ongoing relationship. It must be an ongoing dialogue. It does not end this day. I believe, and the Green Party believes, that we would always stand here to hear more from Te Atiawa, from the hap\u016B katoa, about these issues. It is not over for us, because we stand for Te Tiriti, and that is about a permanent, ongoing, negotiated relationship based on justice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI would like to also acknowledge that part of the loss is in the 20th century\u2014the 1944 Act where the Crown attempted to say that it had compensated and recognised Te Atiawa, without the consent of Te Atiawa. That is what I meant by devious: the ongoing pretence that things have been settled in the past, right through the 20th century.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI acknowledge too that it is not only the physical loss to the people of their whenua but also the pollution issues that have affected Te Atiawa. The Waitara River that has been treated like a drain by a number of industries and by the sewage of the communities\u2014this food source, this taonga, that leads out to a food basket and the struggle that there has been, the intergenerational struggle, to clean up that river. The relationship that Te Atiawa has with the coast and their connection to Ng\u0101 Motu is acknowledged in the settlement\u2014yet the Dow Chemical Co. polluted that community, polluted that area with a toxic product that was sprayed over Vietnamese people, that was generated in Taranaki, and where the sick people are still affected and the environment is still affected. I want to acknowledge Te Atiawa\u2019s burden that they have received, through no fault of their own, from the abuse of land, the abuse of the colonisation process, and then the abuse of the environment, which they cannot separate themselves from and would not wish to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EThis is not an uncontroversial settlement, and hap\u016B such as Manuk\u014Drihi and \u014Ctaraua are expressing concerns. Unfortunately, when the Crown dictates the terms it puts iwi in a tight box about who is a large natural grouping\u2014who gets heard, who does not\u2014and I acknowledge the best efforts of everyone and the ongoing issues.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003ELast night I had the privilege of speaking on the New Plymouth District Council (Waitara Lands) Bill, the local bill, and, as others have said, our support for it to go to select committee is extremely constrained. We will not be guaranteeing any further support, because that local bill is not a Treaty settlement but it deals with Te Tiriti issues, and, in many ways, we do not believe that that bill has got there. There are too many voices not heard in that bill. We acknowledge that Te Atiawa, whom we have been seeking advice from on this, were prepared to allow it go ahead, but they acknowledged that there were flaws, and there are. Waitara is symbolic, in a way, of the deeply flawed nature of trying to fix a mess created by my culture, and benefited from\u2014still benefiting, still doing well. Great! Fantastic! But that perpetual lease issue with the Pekapeka Block is a deep stain, and I would love to see a healing through that process that was actually about the generosity of my culture, and not just the generosity of tangata whenua. I would love to see P\u0101keh\u0101 katoa support Taranaki P\u0101keh\u0101 to stand up and say that these resources need to go directly back to the people. We need to find a way, and that local bill does not do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EHowever, this bill that we are here to talk about has many good aspects to it, and it shows that incredible work has been done. But I do want to touch on an issue raised by my colleague Marama Fox about the first right of refusal, or right of first refusal\u2014the more I learn about it, the more fascinated I get. In reference to the leasehold land in Taranaki, it was offered to Te Atiawa for $23 million. I always find it curious if someone has something stolen and then they have to buy it back: $23 million is an interesting response to a thieving\u2014which may be a rude word, but I think we need to speak truth to power every day about what has happened in this country. Especially in the context\u2014and here I want to mihi to Dr Leonie P\u012Bhama\u2014of the Karori campus debacle, whereby the Crown, in 2014, gave the university the right to the whenua that was Te Atiawa\u2019s for 10 bucks\u2014in 2014. How does that work? And then they can sell it for millions of bucks. So there is good work going on here in this bill, but still the iwi have this offer that they cannot afford\u201423 million bucks\u2014because when you have been robbed you often do not have a lot. And then there is the Karori campus\u2014ten bucks and a few blankets. It is\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d85db09887b2476cb31ef527ce6b78ba\u0022\u003EMarama Fox\u003C/span\u003E: Criminal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203444872f4ef4f6085993fdb04916a63\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it is contradictory to the stated aspirations of this House that these things are happening in the 21st century. It is a bit like my bill last night, the Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of Ma\u014Dri Land) Amendment Bill, that was voted down by the Government\u2014no more M\u0101ori land confiscation. People were saying it is historic; I am interested in history and the way that history is in the present, and I am interested in the fact that this bill shows deep generosity, deep commitment to dialogue, and deep kindness.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI would like to acknowledge that when we walked from New Plymouth\u2014and I only walked the last day of the peace walk to Parihaka with Mayor Andrew Judd\u2014every step was an opportunity to learn about the iwi katoa of the area: of Te Atiawa, who participated in the support of Parihaka, and the suffering that they paid for it. There are people who disappeared and we still do not know what happened to them because they were taken south and never seen again. Just finally, I need to say that that story needs to be taught to every single child in this country, not as an interesting historical artefact but as a passionate call for justice and a recognition of what tangata whenua truly offer this country, which is peace leadership, which is justice leadership, and that the past is in front of us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003ENg\u0101 mihi ki a Te Atiawa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E[Congratulations to Te Atiawa, and my appreciation to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022 data-id=\u0022e85a677fff38494d872d957f6639ab87\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e85a677fff38494d872d957f6639ab87\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG (National\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 hau e wh\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E[I acknowledge, commend, and greet you all: the authorities, the voices, and the four winds.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI am very honoured to be able to stand in support of this Te Atiawa Claims Settlement Bill. I would like to acknowledge the iwi leaders we have here from Taranaki, and it is great to have you here today. I am disappointed that it is only one day and not two, and I do acknowledge the Minister\u2019s comments that he is going to work very, very hard to ensure that the third readings are done as soon as possible, because not only is that going to be very important to bring an end to this process but it is going to be very important to be part of the beginning of what the future is going to be. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI would like to, at this point, also acknowledge those who cannot be here, and I think especially of Wikit\u014Dria Keenan and the tremendous hard work that she has done on behalf of her people, Te Atiawa, in progressing this. I would also like to acknowledge the Hon Mahara Okeroa\u2014great to see you, sir. I have very much enjoyed getting to know you over the last number of years, and I know that you have brought a great contribution. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EWhat I would like to say is, really, to support the people of Te Atiawa, Taranaki, and Ng\u0101ruahine, because these are some of the finest people I know. It is not just because of 176 years of duress since the pressures came upon them by the Crown to, essentially, forgo their land and they fought and struggled to retain that which was theirs. But there has been an aspect of generosity and inclusion. I think of the words of W\u012Bremu K\u012Bngi, who said: \u201CYou have your part, we have our part, and love will bring us together.\u201D Even back in his time, when he led and he spoke, there was this willingness to live together and work together. More than anything else, I hope and trust and pray that these settlements will engender that, and that we will see a future for Te Atiawa that is full of promise, full of hope, full of the ability now\u2014through the resources of this settlement\u2014for you to become who you always have been but in greater measure, and that is a proud and a noble and a generous people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI am very pleased to stand here. I apologise that I was not here for the first reading. I was overseas at the time and, as you know, matters in terms of the programme of Parliament can change very quickly and sometimes we hear a little bit too late that something is happening. I was in the UK at that particular point in time, but I do know that it was a great occasion. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI am not going to say much more except to say I am thrilled about today. I am thrilled about today, that we are progressing this and, as I said, my great hope and joy will be to see the people of Te Atiawa, Taranaki, and Ng\u0101ruahine continue to grow, to develop, and to flourish because of this. This is nothing compared with what you have lost, I know. In fact, somebody said to me: \u201CHow much is this going to cost us?\u201D. I said it is costing nothing compared with what it has cost our iwi. We understand what it has cost you, and our hope and prayer is that this will become the beginning of something new. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022 data-id=\u0022846342904c49431a93e73547b64c7a54\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022846342904c49431a93e73547b64c7a54\u0022\u003EPITA PARAONE (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Deputy Speaker, t\u0113n\u0101 hoki t\u0101tou o Te Whare nei. Te mea tuatahi ka mihi atu ki Te Minita m\u014D ng\u0101 Take M\u0101ori, n\u0101na i \u2019hakaritengia t\u014D t\u0101tou nohonga i te r\u0101 nei, n\u0101 reira, e Te Ururoa, ng\u0101 mihi hoki ki a koe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI honongia i a au ki \u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 kaik\u014Drero i t\u016B ake i mua i a au, ki te \u2019hakatau i w\u0101 t\u0101tou manuhiri i roto i Te Whare i te r\u0101 nei. N\u0101 reira, koutou m\u0101, mai i Te Maunga Tapu o Taranaki e k\u012B nei te korero: \u201Ct\u016B te ao, t\u016B te p\u014D\u201D. N\u0101 reira, nau mai, haere mai. Hara mai ki te \u2019hakarongo, ki te m\u0101takitaki i ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga o Te Whare nei e p\u0101 ana ki t\u0101 koutou pire, ki te \u2019hakatau i ng\u0101 ker\u0113me o te iwi o Te Atiawa, puta noa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, and salutations to us of this House, as well. The first thing for me is to thank the Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs for taking due cognisance of our sitting today, and so my acknowledgments to you as well, Te Ururoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI add my sentiments of welcome to those accorded by those who spoke before me in welcoming our visitors into the House today. Therefore to you collectively from the sacred mountain of Taranaki, the adage states: \u201Cdaylight and night stands\u201D. So welcome, welcome. Come forth to listen and to observe the procedures of this House as far as your bill is concerned in terms of settling the claims of Te Atawa throughout.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI just want to make something quite clear. It seems, given the tenor of discussions today, that my party may be the only party that wishes to see this bill go through to its third reading immediately. I just want to say in front of the people who are gathered here today that we appear to be the only party that is prepared to see the third reading of this bill today. We will even give some leeway to the rest of the parties, particularly the Opposition, in that we will wait until tomorrow morning so that they can gather their troops. I want to make the point, as alluded to by a previous speaker, that we did not pull the bill; they did. The person who made that comment often talks about the value of sitting at the table. Well, they sit at the table, so why did they not take the initiative to say to the Government: \u201CNo, we want to proceed.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7166fa48c4f4c3fa45cc138806a4bb2\u0022\u003EMarama Fox\u003C/span\u003E: We did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022638c9fc863784b89bfaddb909d136260\u0022\u003EPITA PARAONE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, then, what happened?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227cb646aa01784c05a1643ba48812e092\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: You pulled out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eed7d4d7d78f4e948621cbc6cc2c9aef\u0022\u003EPITA PARAONE\u003C/span\u003E: No, no\u2014anyway, getting back to the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f05bb32583634304a802f5fff924240f\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: You have got a whole basketful of dirty laundry. Let us keep it to ourselves.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221502a68fc80845e48a776895c8daa7b4\u0022\u003EPITA PARAONE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I am not too keen about the comment about dirty laundry, because we are pretty clean on this side. However, I want to say, for New Zealand First, that we support this bill. In fact, we support this bill, in particular, because of the tragedy that these people have had to suffer by the colonial forces of the time. I can recall\u2014and it will be always an enduring matter for me\u2014when I saw two young gentlemen representing their iwi of Ng\u0101ti Mutunga and doing their settlement process. I was appalled at the level of quantum that was offered to them. I asked those representatives why they were accepting that amount, given the history of that area. However, as alluded to by a number of speakers before me, they recognised, and we certainly do recognise, that any settlement will never ever be a complete compensation\u2014or whatever you might want to call it\u2014given the losses that they have suffered. And yet iwi\u2014and not only the Taranaki iwi but all those who have already settled\u2014have made a contribution to this country that many of our fellow citizens do not understand or even recognise. I want to acknowledge the contribution that Te Atiawa is making under this claims settlement bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EI do not need to make reference to, or reiterate, the history. It is well known. It certainly is well known by those who are associated with Treaty claims. But it is not well known by the wider community. We saw a leading local body politician who finally understood what the iwi were on about\u2014he was vilified for the stance he took. I think that is a poor commentary on the state of our country. I can recall an earlier discussion regarding a petition made by two young schoolgirls from Waikato, from Tainui. They were asking about the history of our country being taught in schools. The reaction to this particular settlement bill by the wider community is every reason why we should be teaching New Zealand history in our schools. The travesty of the time and the effects of the colonial forces on innocent M\u0101ori should not be a reason for not allowing future generations to learn about their history. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003ESo although we have one or two concerns about the bill, we will certainly be supporting it to see it settled. I want to reiterate the point again, as the people in the gallery are my witness, that we want to settle and we are prepared to do that tomorrow morning. We will even do it today if we are allowed to, but we will certainly be here to do it tomorrow morning if there is a will on the part of the Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003EN\u0101 reira, Mr Deputy Speaker, koutou m\u0101 e Jamie, ng\u0101 mihi hoki ki a koutou. Kia ora mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cba965bb-864f-4e06-99dc-6fcdfd007ad5\u0022\u003E[Therefore, Mr Deputy Speaker, and to you all Jamie, my congratulations to you collectively. Thank you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022 data-id=\u0022b2b4b4495b17486ab96659af6378a1be\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b2b4b4495b17486ab96659af6378a1be\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare. E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, rau rangatira m\u0101; t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa, mauri ora Te Atiawa. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou ng\u0101 hap\u016B, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri, \u014Ctaraua, Manuk\u014Drihi, Puketapu, Pukerangiora, Ng\u0101ti Te Whirikura, Ngati Tapur\u012Bkino, Ng\u0101ti Te Whiti, n\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. My acknowledgments to the authorities, voices, and esteemed ones of a hundredfold; greetings to you collectively and to us all, and may the force of life be with you, Te Atiawa. Congratulations to you, the subtribes Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri, \u014Ctaraua, Manuk\u014Drihi, Puketapu, Pukerangiora, Ng\u0101ti Te Whirikura, Ng\u0101ti Tapur\u012Bkino, Ng\u0101ti Te Whiti, and, therefore, to us all.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EToday is a really special day. It is a special day because this is Te Atiawa\u2019s day. It is the day when we as parliamentarians support the iwi in its process of resolving historical Treaty of Waitangi issues. It is when we as parliamentarians tautoko the process. So it is a bit of a sad day when we are not 100 percent focused on the wh\u0101nau who have travelled so far today because of a Taranaki claim that went to the Waitangi Tribunal initiated by the Taranaki M\u0101ori Trust Board in 1987.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo we are here because of the mahi that the t\u016Bpuna of Te Atiawa undertook when we opened up the opportunity to investigate Treaty of Waitangi breaches right back to 1840. What happened after the Taranaki M\u0101ori Trust Board in 1987 took the first case was that the Waitangi Tribunal released a report on 11 June 1996. That report was called The Taranaki Report\u2014Kaupapa Tuatahi. It took another 14 years for the process to be started again, and so in 2010 the Crown recommended negotiations with Te Atiawa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EThe second reading of a bill is about the principles of the bill, and it is also to provide some korero from the submissions. So for us to do that, I just want to focus on what this process is all about. This is about the Treaty of Waitangi Act of 1975, and in the \u201CPurpose\u201D section of that Act it says they wanted to create a tribunal to make \u201Crecommendations on claims relating to the practical application of the Treaty and to determine whether certain matters are inconsistent with the principles of the Treaty [of Waitangi]\u201D. The amendment Act of 1985 then enabled us to go back to 1840.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo the bill before the House today, the Te Atiawa Claims Settlement Bill, gives effect to the deed of settlement agreed by the Crown and Te Atiawa that was signed on 9 August 2014. I would like to read from the submission of Liana Pout\u016B: \u201CThe settlement of these claims has taken generations to reach this point and we are grateful to our many t\u016Bpuna, who worked tirelessly on this kaupapa so that their mokopuna would not have to carry the burden that they carried for so long. I am well aware that this settlement does not even come close to compensating our people for the losses and sacrifices we have endured, but we are still here and intend on being around to see that the work of those before us is not wasted.\u201D So, on behalf of Te Kotahitanga o Te Atiawa Trust, she says it supports the bill in its entirety.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI think it is really important that we focus on what is in the bill, and I want to take the opportunity to read some sections from The Taranaki Report: \u201C3.6 Waitara\u201D. The context is really interesting because, obviously, when Thomas Browne, who became our Governor, replaced Governor Grey in 1855, he was sent here for a very specific purpose, and that was to secure lands. It says in that report that his resolve to secure the Taranaki lands for settlement was an imperative\u2014an imperative of his appointment. So in 1856 he appointed a board to inquire and to report on the status of Taranaki lands, and I just want to quote from that report about the board\u2019s view. It was: \u201Cthe \u2018tribe\u2019\u00A0\u201D\u2014Taranaki\u2014\u201Cthat had the only authority to dispose of land, and while the individual had certain possessory rights, \u2018there is no such thing as an individual claim, clear and independent of the tribal right\u2019\u00A0\u201D. So it was really clear that any lands that were to be sold had to be agreed to by the tribe and that individuals could not sell land.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EGovernor Browne then visited Taranaki on 8 March 1859 and he announced a policy, and I would like to read that policy to the House today. First: \u201Cany person committing violence or outrage within \u2018European boundaries\u2019 would be dealt with under the criminal law;\u201D, but, secondly, he said he \u201Cwould not buy land with a disputed title and \u2018would buy no man\u2019s land without his consent\u2019\u00A0\u201D, and herein, I guess, lie the issues around Pekapeka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI found it interesting when I went on to the New Zealand in History website, because there is a section called \u201CThe New Zealand Wars\u201D and a Taranaki War time line. It starts in 1859, and it says: \u201CTe Atiawa tribe offers to sell land at Waitara. Surveying commences in 1860, but is interrupted by Wiremu Kingi Te Rangitake, a Te Atiawa chief who objects to the land sale.\u201D So I found it really interesting that it said that the tribe offered to sell it, but, actually, its rangatira objected to the sale. Obviously, the issue was not about the tribe selling it; it was about land agents at that time finding someone\u2014an individual\u2014who was willing to sell the land.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI want to quote again from the tribunal report. The person who wanted to sell it\u2014his name was Te Teira. Kingi was aware that he had asked for payment and that he had entered into this negotiation with Governor Browne, and this is what he wrote to the Governor: \u201CI will not agree to our bedroom being sold (I mean Waitara here), for this bed belongs to all of us; and do not you be in haste to give the money. If you give the money secretly, you will get no land for it. You may insist, but I will never agree to it \u2026 All I have to say to you, O Governor, is that none of this land will be given to you, never, never, till I die. I have heard it is said that I am to be imprisoned because of this land. I am very sad because of this word. Why is it? You should remember that the Maoris and Pakehas are living quietly upon their pieces of land, and therefore do not you disturb them.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EIn preparing for my k\u014Drero today, I found a press release dated 10 October 2000. It was by the Hon Parekura Horomia, and it was to mark the 25th anniversary of the Waitangi Tribunal. He quoted from Judge Durie at the time, who, after 20 years of experience, had four things to say: \u201C1. The room for ethnic misunderstanding. Therefore in its reporting the Tribunal has tried to explain Maori cultural views, as it appeared from the evidence, so that Maori and Pakeha might understand one another better in the future. 2. The need to report fully in order to put the past at rest. 3. The need to make practical recommendations so that something positive might happen in the future. 4. And that the process underlined for him how important it is that all people should have access to an appropriate judicial forum to express legitimate concerns.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo I think what the process has endeavoured to do is to provide that forum, but for some people who are not aware of what is happening around them, they do not engage early enough, and, I think, if we look at what is going to happen in terms of the debate around Waitara and the proposition that the New Plymouth District Council has put to the House, I think it is really important that we focus on the right of first refusal for the wh\u0101nau of Te Atiawa in Waitara. I just want to highlight article 2 of the Treaty of Waitangi, actually, where the Queen confirmed and guaranteed to M\u0101ori \u201Cthe full exclusive and undisturbed possession of [our] Lands\u201D for as long as we \u201Cwish and desire to retain\u201D them in our possession. What we agreed, in being guaranteed our full and undisturbed possession, was that the Crown had an exclusive right of pre-emption over that land.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI guess, if we want to look at Waitara and an opportunity for Te Atiawa to have the first right of refusal, actually, we should look no further than the Treaty in enabling that specific provision in the Waitara bill, because from the council position, it is saying: \u201CWe are going to give Te Atiawa a monopoly. They will have an exclusive right, an only right, to buy the land.\u201D Well, I guess my challenge to us is: what is wrong with that? Because that is what we said in the Treaty. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u00224f78246963094a4aa2c4e55b71d12bd7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224f78246963094a4aa2c4e55b71d12bd7\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour\u2014Hauraki-Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ETaranaki Maunga t\u016B mai r\u0101, hei whakaruruhau m\u014D te whenu-a,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ETaranaki Maunga t\u016B mai r\u0101, hei k\u0101inga m\u014D ng\u0101 manu mumu hau t\u0101kere t\u014D e,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ETangi nei, kia mau, kia \u016B ki te maung\u0101rongo, hei ruruhau m\u014D te iwi\u2014e, i!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 koutou. T\u0113nei te t\u016B ake ki te t\u0101piri atu i ng\u0101 mihi ki Te Minita i te tuatahi, n\u0101u i whakat\u016Bwhera t\u0101 t\u0101tou nei huihuinga i t\u0113nei r\u0101ngi, kia puta ai ng\u0101 painga m\u014D ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga m\u014D ng\u0101 take Tiriti. Te Atiawa Taranaki, t\u0113nei te mihi atu ki a koutou katoa kua tae mai nei koutou ki te whakarongo ki ng\u0101 momo nekehanga kei waenganui i t\u014D m\u0101tou nei komiti M\u0101ori m\u014D \u014D koutou ker\u0113me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EKa tika me whakapuare \u0113tehi \u014D \u014Dku nei whakaaro m\u014D t\u0113nei t\u016B\u0101huatanga: he uaua, tino uaua. \u0112ngari n\u0101 koutou te mana hei whakaaetia i \u0113nei take i mua i te aroaro o Te P\u0101remata, n\u0101 m\u0101tou te mahi nunui hei tautoko i a koutou nei hiahia. \u0100, n\u014D reira, ka nui, ka nui, ka nui te mihi, \u0101, me te m\u014Dhio an\u014D kei waenganui i a m\u0101tou ng\u0101 tokorua e tino m\u014Dhio i t\u0113nei wh\u0101inga: t\u014D koutou nei mema o Te Tai Hau\u0101uru, a Adrian r\u0101ua ko Meka Whaitiri. N\u0101 r\u0101ua i m\u014Dhio taua t\u016B\u0101huatanga, te noho ki t\u0113nei taha o Te Karauna ki te tukituki i ng\u0101 hiahia, ng\u0101 wawata e p\u0101 ana ki te hau k\u0101inga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, i roto i t\u0113r\u0101 whakaaro t\u0113n\u0101 pea, m\u0101ku hei whakapuare \u0113tehi o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero i puta mai m\u014D t\u0113nei kaupapa. I roto i te uauatanga o \u014D koutou nei wh\u0101inga kia whakahokia mai ng\u0101 whenua i raupatutia, me ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga ki te tari o ng\u0101 ture. Whakaaro ake au ko te mea tino uaua, k\u0101re m\u0101tou i tino kite i t\u0113tehi rongo\u0101 i te Glasgow leases. I puta mai inap\u014D ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga i waenganui i \u0101 r\u0101tou, e h\u012Bkoi ana i te rori m\u014D ng\u0101 whenua o Pekapeka. Whakaaro ake m\u0101tou: \u201COh, \u0101e, tino uaua t\u0113nei kaupapa.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EAhakoa t\u0113r\u0101, kei a koutou te mahi nunui hei kawea i te hiahia o \u014D koutou nei iwi i roto i \u0113tehi o ng\u0101 rongo\u0101 o te pire nei. Ko te t\u016Bmanako, ka noho p\u016Bmau Te Karauna ahakoa ko wai, tae ki t\u0113tehi w\u0101 t\u0113n\u0101 pea ka whai rongo\u0101 kia whakahokia mai ng\u0101 whenua i raupatutia, koin\u0101 te tino hiahia. Ahakoa karekau he rongo\u0101 i roto i te pire nei, he maha ng\u0101 \u0101wangawanga tonu kei waenganui i a m\u0101tou katoa m\u014D te kore i kuhu mai ng\u0101 whenua o ng\u0101 kaunihera \u0101-rohe m\u014D ng\u0101 take Tiriti. Ki a m\u0101tou nei, mehemea ka taea e t\u0101tou te whakaarohia ki t\u0113r\u0101 t\u016B\u0101huatanga t\u0113n\u0101 pea, ka whai w\u0101hanga te kite i t\u0113tehi, me k\u012B, t\u0113tehi rongo\u0101 kia mahi ng\u0101tahi ng\u0101 iwi ki te taha o ng\u0101 kaunihera \u0101-rohe ki te whakahaere i ng\u0101 whenua.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EKo t\u0113tehi atu an\u014D o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero i puta mai i waenganui i a m\u0101tou e p\u0101 ana ki ng\u0101 momo panonitanga o \u0113tehi atu o ng\u0101 ture. Ko te hiahia o Te K\u0101wanatanga kia mau tonu i ng\u0101 whenua, kia whakat\u016B i ng\u0101 whare. Ana, i t\u0113r\u0101 atu wiki kua t\u012Bni t\u0113r\u0101 \u0101huatanga, ng\u0101 w\u0101hanga m\u014D Te Housing Legislation Amendment Act, and i roto i t\u0113r\u0101, ka whakaarohia e Te K\u0101wanatanga p\u0113n\u0101 e \u0101hei ana r\u0101tou ki te mau i ng\u0101 whenua kia whakat\u016B whare, m\u0101m\u0101 noa iho kia panoni i te Public Works Act, m\u0101m\u0101 noa an\u014D kia mau i ng\u0101 whenua ahakoa kua \u0101hei te whakahokia i raro i te right of first refusal. Koin\u0101 t\u0113tehi o ng\u0101 \u0101wangawanga. Ahakoa te tutukitanga o t\u014D ker\u0113me, kei \u0113tehi atu o ng\u0101 ture ng\u0101 panonitanga, hei whakararu, me k\u012B, hei whakatoimaha i \u0113tahi, hei noho p\u0113hi i \u014D koutou nei hiahia. Ka tika, me puta i mua i te aroaro o Te Minita n\u0101 te mea, me kauw\u0101 e waihotia m\u0101 taua pire anake e puta mai ng\u0101 \u0101wangawanga m\u014D te tutuki pai o ng\u0101 ker\u0113me. N\u014D reira, e Te Minita, kua kite atu m\u0101tou katoa i t\u014D hiahia, kia wawe te haere o te tutuki o ng\u0101 ker\u0113me. Ko taku hiahia, kia taea e Manaiapoto te haina i \u0101 r\u0101tou nei ker\u0113me i mua i te mutunga o te tau. Atu i t\u0113r\u0101, ka whakaaro ake m\u0101tou m\u014D t\u0113r\u0101 t\u016B\u0101huatanga m\u014D ng\u0101 ker\u0113me o mua.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EN\u0101, ka titiro atu au ki te whiti 14(3)(a) me te (b), kei roto i t\u014D koutou pire te whakahuatia o ng\u0101 momo tangata, ng\u0101 kaiker\u0113me i tukuna \u014D r\u0101tou hiahia i raro i Te Taraipiunara. N\u0101, kua kite wh\u0101nui ake i te nui o ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata i raro i t\u0101 koutou nei pire. Ka nui te mihi atu ki \u0101 r\u0101tou katoa, ki \u014D r\u0101tou wh\u0101nau, \u014D r\u0101tou uri whakaheke me te m\u014Dhio an\u014D, he roa te w\u0101 kia kite mai t\u0113nei rangi, ka nui te mihi atu. K\u0101ti!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EKo te k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki te whiti 117, ki a m\u0101tou nei, i te w\u0101 e k\u014Drerohia ana m\u0101tou, i t\u012Bmata m\u0101tou ki te whakaarohia me kaua e tangohia t\u0113nei w\u0101hanga, kia noho tonu, ahakoa kua m\u014Dhio mai, ka haria mai e te kaunihere \u0101-rohe t\u0101 r\u0101tou pire motuhake. Whakaaro m\u0101tou in\u0101 ka noho tonu i roto i te pire, hei whakaara mai ki Te K\u0101wanatanga, ki Te Karauna, ko te hiahia \u0101 t\u014Dna w\u0101, \u0101 te w\u0101 tika, ka whakahokia mai \u0113nei whenua ki a koutou a Te \u0100tiawa. Koin\u0101 te take i whakaarohia e m\u0101tou, me noho tonu i roto i te pire. \u0112ngari, kua rongo mai ki te k\u014Drero a te Minita, a taku tung\u0101ne a Adrian, ka p\u0101hi ana te pire o te kaunihera \u0101-rohe, ka whakakorengia t\u0113nei w\u0101hanga o t\u014D pire, me ng\u0101 whakam\u0101rama ki t\u0113n\u0101. \u0112ngari, e \u016B tonu au in\u0101 ka noho i roto i t\u014D pire, ka m\u014Dhio t\u016Bturu Te Karauna, he w\u0101 an\u014D pea, he w\u0101 an\u014D pea kia whakahokia mai ng\u0101 whenua ki a Te Atiawa. He uaua \u0113ngari kia whakaara mai te hiahia.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, ka nui te mihi atu ki a koutou katoa, ka nui te whakaaro ake ki\u2014te roanga o te kawe i t\u0113nei kaupapa kia tutuki tika. Ka whakaaro ake ki te toimahatanga kei waenganui i a wh\u0101nau m\u014D te pup\u016B ake o ng\u0101 nawe, \u0101-wh\u0101nau m\u014D t\u0113nei \u0101huatanga. Ko t\u0101 m\u0101tou nei, n\u014D iwi k\u0113 \u0113hara n\u0101 m\u0101tou te k\u012B atu ki \u0113tehi atu o ng\u0101 iwi, me p\u0113nei, me p\u0113r\u0101 te whakatika i ng\u0101 raru kei waenganui i a koutou an\u014D, me waihotia m\u0101 koutou hei whakatikatika!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, atu i t\u0113r\u0101, he poto te w\u0101hanga m\u0101ku ki te mihi atu ki ng\u0101 \u0101pih\u0101 o Te Minita. E wero ana m\u0101tou ki a r\u0101tou, me whakautu pai \u014D m\u0101tou nei p\u0101tai i mua i te komiti; e wero ana m\u0101tou ki a r\u0101tou, kia tika ai te whakatakoto i ng\u0101 whakaaro o ng\u0101 iwi i mua i te aroaro o te komiti. E pai ana t\u0101 r\u0101tou nei mahi. N\u014D reira, atu i t\u0113r\u0101, Nuk, te nui o ng\u0101 mihi ki a koe. Ahakoa te toimahatanga kei runga i a koe m\u014D ng\u0101 kaip\u0113tihana i hara mai ki mua i te aroaro o te komiti, kua t\u016Bwhera te kuaha kia kuhu mai r\u0101tou, kia noho, kia whakapuare i \u014D r\u0101tou nei whakaaro katoa, he mea pai t\u0113r\u0101. N\u0101u taua t\u016B \u0101huatanga, kia noho marere t\u014D m\u0101tou nei komiti i raro i aua piki me ng\u0101 heke. N\u014D reira, ki a koutou katoa Atiawa, t\u0113nei te mihi atu ki a koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E[Rise up, Taranaki mountain, as a shelter for the land,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ERise up, Taranaki mountain, as a habitat for the esteemed, boisterous, and risk-taking ones,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ELamenting for peace to be grasped resolutely indeed, as a haven for the people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EGreetings to you collectively. In the first instance, I rise to add my acknowledgments to you, Minister Flavell, who opened our assembly with a prayer so that benefits relating to matters about the Treaty can emerge on this day. I welcome you all, Te Atiawa of Taranaki, who have arrived here to listen to the kinds of deliberations that went on amongst our M\u0101ori Affairs Committee in regard to your claims.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIt is apt that I express some of my thoughts about this: it is hard. It is very, very difficult. But you have the mandate to pass these matters before Parliament, and we have the enormous task in terms of endorsing your aspirations. And so there is much acknowledgment, massive and huge, knowing full well at the same time that we have in our midst two people who have a good understanding about what is being sought: your member for Te Tai Hau\u0101uru, Adrian, and Meka Whaitiri. They are familiar with that kind of situation of being on this side of the Crown to challenge its needs and aspirations relating to back home.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ETherefore, with that thought in mind, perhaps I should reveal some comments that emerged about this matter. Within the difficulties you experienced in seeking that confiscated lands be returned, and in those aspects relating to the office of Acts. I considered that the thing that was really very difficult was that we did not really see any remedy in the Glasgow leases. The circumstances within themselves about the lands of Pekapeka emerged last night as they were marching on the road. That got us thinking: \u201COh yes, this matter is a really hard one.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ERegardless of that, you really have a huge task in terms of carrying out the aspirations of your people within some of the remedies relating to this bill. The hope is that the Crown will remain committed, regardless of who it might be, that a point will be reached when a remedy might be found for the lands that were confiscated\u2014to be returned, that is the real wish. Even though there is no remedy in this bill, many concerns remain amongst us all still for the non-inclusion of regional council lands in regard to Treaty issues. In our view, if it is possible for us to give due consideration to that kind of situation, then a way might be found\u2014a remedy, shall we say\u2014 for the tribes to work collaboratively with regional councils to manage the lands.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EAnother comment that emerged from within us related to the kinds of amendments to some of the legislation. The wish of the Government is to retain the lands and to build homes. Just last week some circumstances, some parts, relating to the Housing Legislation Amendment Act were amended, and, as a consequence, the Government considered that if it was able to retain the lands to build houses on them, amending the Public Works Act would be a mere formality\u2014retaining the land would be easy enough, even if they are returned under the right of first refusal. This indeed is one of the concerns. Even if your claim is settled, amendments to other Acts may encumber, weigh down, or put pressure, shall we say, on your aspirations. It is right that these be placed before the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, because drawing out the concerns to settle the claims well should not be left solely to that bill. Therefore, Minister, we have all noted your desire for claims to be settled expeditiously. My hope is that Maniapoto is able to have their claims signed before the year ends. Further to that, we have considered that situation relating to earlier claims.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ENow I look at clause 14(3)(a) and (b) in your bill, where all types of people are mentioned, the claimants who submitted their needs under the Tribunal. We note broadly just how many types of people there are under your bill. I commend them all hugely, their families and descendants, knowing full well just how long it has taken to see this day, today; a huge congratulations to them. Enough!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIn regard to the commentary relating to clause 117, our considered view during our discussions was that we started by saying that this should not be repealed. It must be retained, even though we understand that local government would bring their own separate bill. We considered that if it is retained in the bill it demonstrates to the Government, to the Crown, the desire\u2014in due course, at the appropriate time\u2014that these lands be returned to you of Te Atiawa. That is the reason why we thought it should be retained within the bill. However, I have heard what the Minister has said and what my colleague Adrian has stated\u2014that when the local government bill is passed, this section of your bill will be repealed\u2014as well as the explanations. However, I am resolute that by it remaining in your bill, the Crown will know emphatically that perhaps at some appropriate time the lands should be returned to Te Atiawa. It is difficult, but the intention needs to be raised.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ETherefore, I commend you all greatly. There is much to think about\u2014the length of time this matter has taken for it to be completed properly. Personally, we think it is an iwi issue, and it is not for us to say to other iwi: \u201CThis is how problems among you should be dealt with.\u201D It should be left for you alone to resolve.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ETherefore, in addition to that, there is a brief opportunity for me to thank the Minister\u2019s officials. We certainly challenged them to respond well to our questions before the select committee; we challenged them to set down iwi perspectives correctly before the select committee, and they did a fine job. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ETherefore, Nuk, much of the accolades go to you. Despite the burden imposed upon you in regard to the petitioners that came before the select committee, you opened the door to them to enter and to express their views totally. That was a great thing you did for them and for our committee to be generous and to give freely of each other, regardless of the ups and downs. And so, to all of you Atiawa, I commend you and us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022b4be1f1a612042e58088cb2b7b4e7a27\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b4be1f1a612042e58088cb2b7b4e7a27\u0022\u003EBARBARA KURIGER (National\u2014Taranaki - King Country):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Deputy Speaker. I would really like to welcome our people of Te Atiawa here this morning and acknowledge you for being present in the House. It is a pleasure to take a call on this bill. I would also like to acknowledge Maharoa Okeroa, our Minister Finlayson, and also I would like to acknowledge our committee chair, Nuk Korako, who has worked tirelessly not only on this legislation but on a number of pieces of legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EI would also like to acknowledge the Te Atiawa iwi, those who have gone before us. I know the work that people such as Wikit\u014Dria Keenan put into preparing for this deed of settlement. I would also like to acknowledge the Te Atiawa generosity in accepting what has been offered in terms of this negotiation, because for everything that the iwi has been through over the last 156 years, or whatever it is, it has just been an awful situation, and it has taken a very long time to redress. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EBy the mid-1850s Crown land purchasing had contributed to hostility and fighting within Te Atiawa, resulting in the loss of life for Te Atiawa people. In March 1860 the Crown\u2019s insistence on completing a land purchase at Waitara, despite the strong opposition of many Te Atiawa, led to the outbreak of the first Taranaki War. Fighting continued until a peace agreement in April 1861 that provided for the Waitara purchase to be investigated. However, the Crown precipitated another war by occupying various blocks before this investigation was completed. Although the Crown renounced the Waitara purchase it was too late to prevent the fighting, which continued into 1864. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EThe Crown exacerbated the terrible impact of the wars on Taranaki by indiscriminately confiscating the entire rohe of Te Atiawa in 1865. In the 1870s and 1880s the Crown caused great distress to the iwi by the repressive measures it took to suppress the peaceful resistance campaign of Te Whiti o Rongomai and Tohu K\u0101kahi who established the settlement of Parihaka. In 1879 and 1880 many Te Atiawa were made political prisoners and detained without trial in the South Island. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EAlthough the lands confiscated made a significant contribution to the wealth and development of this country, in recent years many Te Atiawa people have lived in very poor economic circumstances. The resilience of these people is evident, and today this growing iwi has a vision of the future that moves from raupatu to restoration. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EI would like to acknowledge the iwi today. I would like to acknowledge the vision that you have for your people of Taranaki. I would like to help you, and offer to be part of anything that you would like to do going forward. We have a lot of making up to do, and this settlement is only a very small part of that. So thank you very much for the opportunity. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022eb5edb163f5f457899e57863149639aa\u0022\u003ETaranaki Iwi Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a60f16f7c6134799a58001e97fb153ef\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u00229610ab08ab6a498a96cedd6b4a8a2450\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229610ab08ab6a498a96cedd6b4a8a2450\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Taranaki Iwi Claims Settlement Bill be now read a second time. This bill gives effect to the deed of settlement between the Crown and Taranaki iwi, which was signed in a very emotional ceremony at Pukeiti gardens in September 2015. It provides financial, commercial, and cultural redress, and acknowledges the losses suffered by Taranaki iwi arising from very serious breaches by the Crown of its Treaty obligations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ECan I acknowledge the work of the Taranaki iwi negotiators, as I stare at Mahara Okeroa. Can I acknowledge my ministerial colleagues, local government, and other agencies that have contributed to this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI also want to thank the chair and members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee for their very good work during the consideration of the bill and the exploration of the issues raised in submissions. The bill was referred to the committee on 25 March. Seven submissions were received from interested groups and individuals, and the committee heard from four submitters at hearings in New Plymouth on 2 June 2016. The committee reported the bill back to the House just a couple of weeks ago and recommended it be passed with a number of minor technical amendments. These include amendments to clarify the vesting of cultural redress sites, to clarify the right of first refusal provisions, and to update the legal descriptions of redress sites.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ECan I say, it is a testament to the hard work of the negotiators that the Taranaki Regional Council fully supports representation of the iwi of Taranaki on the two council standing committees. Taranaki iwi also have the support of their neighbours for the progress of the bill and for joint redress, including the vesting of Ng\u0101 Motu with Te Atiawa. The matter of iwi representation on the Taranaki Regional Council standing committees also arose last week at the Committee stage of the Ng\u0101ruahine Claims Settlement Bill. I mention it because it is relevant to both this and the other Taranaki settlement bill going through the House today, which contain the same provisions in relation to these committees. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EAt the Committee stage of the Ng\u0101ruahine debate, New Zealand First proposed a Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) to remove iwi representation on these two standing committees of the Taranaki Regional Council. I then explained to the Committee why it was appropriate to have iwi representation on these committees, just as, for example, some other members of the current committees are appointed from external bodies, including from Federated Farmers, who are, in effect, an unelected member. After my explanation, New Zealand First withdrew its SOP, and as far as I can tell\u2014and I acknowledge that I am not a psychic\u2014this could be one of the reasons New Zealand First has raised an eleventh-hour objection to this bill. It is simply unclear, but I very much look forward to hearing the explanation, because I think it is about representation. But I do say to those members, the clauses in the Taranaki Iwi Claims Settlement Bill dealing with this issue are exactly the same as in the Te Atiawa Claims Settlement Bill, which, of course, they voted through a few minutes ago. So it is all confusing, and I very much look forward to hearing what I am sure will be a splendid explanation from Pita Paraone, or Mr Peters\u2014well, from Mr Paraone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe Taranaki Report: Kaupapa Tuatahi was the Waitangi Tribunal report about which mention has been made already this morning. It was released in 1996. It is well worth a read, including by people who write to me, as someone has this morning\u2014I will not mention his name, because I do not want to embarrass him. He could be a New Zealand First branch chair. He wrote \u201CI read with real disgust your further attempts to impose M\u0101ori on the rest of the population without the population\u2019s consent.\u201D, and then he commented along those lines\u2014a very helpful contribution to the debate! But I do think it would be useful for people to look at the events underlying the Taranaki iwi claims, because they are some of the most severe in this country. I very much look forward to people like my correspondent learning more about Treaty settlements and, in particular, the history of Taranaki iwi and what they have suffered, and the history of what happened at Parihaka\u2014and it was not all that long ago. I look forward to the continued benefit of Treaty settlements for our regional economies and M\u0101ori communities. These settlements, once they receive the Royal assent, will bring over $200 million into the great Taranaki province.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThroughout negotiations Taranaki iwi have signalled the importance of addressing the issue of Parihaka. The Crown\u2019s actions at Parihaka were some of the worst examples of colonial repression in New Zealand, and judging from the contributions made by various members around the Chamber this morning, I think people know that pretty well around here. The Crown has to address the harm its actions caused the residents of Parihaka, both past and present. The Crown is working to restore its relationship with Parihaka, to re-establish trust with the community, and I think both sides are working very carefully and are not rushing things because this is a very, very important issue. As a first step in May this year, I signed a compact of trust with Parihaka. We are now on the road to reconciliation with the community, and it is a journey that is long overdue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Maru has now signed terms of negotiations and is ready to negotiate. That is the last iwi of Taranaki that will be involved in negotiations, and that now means that the Crown and all the iwi of Taranaki can look to the issue of the maunga. All iwi have connections to Taranaki maunga, and I look forward to beginning those negotiations in the near future with all the iwi of Taranaki, to recognise the importance of the maunga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThis second reading brings us closer to the concluding stages of the settlement process for Taranaki iwi, and seeks to recognise what is important to the people of the iwi and to provide redress for the historical breaches. I very much look forward to hosting the iwi of Taranaki here in Wellington for a joint third reading of the Taranaki iwi, Te Atiawa, and Ng\u0101ruahine claims settlement bills in the very, very near future. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u00228246bbaf2be04d458e09015aa494a162\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228246bbaf2be04d458e09015aa494a162\u0022\u003EKELVIN DAVIS (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tokerau):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Deputy Speaker. Te mea tuatahi m\u0101ku e mihi kau ana ki t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 tu\u0101kana a Te Ururoa, n\u0101n\u0101 i whakapuaretia t\u014D t\u0101tou huihuinga i te ata nei i runga i te huarahi tika, ar\u0101, m\u0101 ng\u0101 karakia. Tuarua, ki a koutou e Taranaki Iwi, t\u0113nei ahau e mihi atu nei ki a koutou i tau mai nei ki raro i te tuanui o t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare kia rongo ai i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki t\u014D koutou pire; n\u0101 reira, nau mai, haere mai, whakatau mai ki roto t\u0113nei t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare, t\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou. \u0100, ka huri ake ahau ki a koe, e Mahara, mihi kau ana ki a koe n\u0101u nei i whakapau \u014D kaha i t\u014D w\u0101 i roto i t\u0113nei Whare, i n\u0101ianei, e whakapau ana i \u014D kaha hei whakatau i ng\u0101 ker\u0113me, n\u0101 reira, ka mihi ake ahau ki a koe m\u014D \u014D mahi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. Acknowledging that senior colleague Te Ururoa, who opened our gathering this morning in the accepted manner, namely, through prayers, is the first thing for me to do. Secondly, I acknowledge you collectively, the iwi of Taranaki who have arrived here beneath the roof of our House to listen to the contributions relating to your bill; so welcome, draw hither, alight in this House of ours, I commend you. I turn to you, Mahara, and really commend you on the efforts that you expended during your time in this House, and now you are spending your efforts to settle claims, so I applaud you for your work.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EFirst of all, I would just like to say that I am disappointed by the exchange that I have seen this morning between members across the House. Yesterday in our M\u0101ori Affairs Committee we asked officials to leave. The members remained and we had a discussion around this when we expressed our views, led admirably by the Hon Nanaia Mahuta. We said we would have our say in that select committee, we would do it face to face, and we would leave it there. So it is really unfortunate to see that the confidence of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, a committee that generally works very well together, has been broken. It was disappointing to see those exchanges because, to me, it was posturing, when we had had our say yesterday and it should have been left in the room there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThis second reading is a time to talk about the people and about the bill, and so we need to do that. Taranaki iwi, along with the other iwi around Taranaki maunga, were subjected to some of the most atrocious conditions by colonial forces back in the time. Some 1.2 million acres of land was confiscated from them. If we put that into the context of today, with our population of 4.8 million, 1.2 million acres would, in fact, provide a quarter-acre section for every New Zealander alive today. That is the extent of the confiscation of the land in that time. We need to reflect on just how great an impact that sort of confiscation would have on a people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI think it was the first reading when I said that if somebody came and invaded our country and confiscated land, we would go to war to defend ourselves, and, quite frankly, that is what\u2014well, actually, it is not quite what Taranaki did. In the first instance, they resorted to peaceful resistance. People who resorted to peaceful resistance were then arrested in their hundreds\u2014most of them detained without trial\u2014and yet nothing happened to the invader. The invader was, in fact, rewarded for its acts of aggression, and, consequently, now possesses most of the land in Taranaki, leaving Taranaki iwi basically landless. So this bill contains acknowledgments of the Crown\u2019s actions that breached the Treaty of Waitangi, and it contains an apology for those breaches. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe apology and the quantum that is being returned\u2014and I heard from the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations that some $200 million will go into the Taranaki region. That $200 million is great, but if we put it into the context of 1.2 million acres being confiscated and the price of land these days, we will see that it is just a drop in a bucket. I have also said in this House previously that we need to\u2014sorry, I will just go to that text that the Minister read out. It was somebody basically objecting to all of this, and focusing on \u201CYou\u2019re giving M\u0101oris this and you\u2019re giving M\u0101oris that.\u201D We should focus less on what M\u0101ori are getting and focus more on what has been lost. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EWhen we look at the size of the loss and the scale of the loss, the $200 million that may be coming back pales in significance. It represents the ongoing impact of all of those actions of the Crown in the 1860s that are having a lasting effect on Taranaki iwi, and it has been replicated right throughout the country over time, through all iwi. The ongoing effects that we are now seeing in terms of M\u0101ori incarceration, the lack of M\u0101ori achievement, educational achievement at school\u2014just the loss of M\u0101ori potential. It is the genuine hope that that $200 million will go towards turning that around, so that M\u0101ori in Taranaki can fulfil their potential from here on in and become the leaders in the economy, the leaders in business, the leaders in education, and the leaders in the community. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe bill provides a mechanism for iwi representation on the Taranaki Regional Council. That is admirable, despite the text that the Minister received and read out parts of. Minister, you should have a word to David Seymour about sending texts like that! The iwi are able to nominate three members for appointment to the committee of the council. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI really fail to see what the country is scared of when we have M\u0101ori representation. Let us face it: M\u0101ori are environmentalists\u2014you know, into conservation, into doing what is right for communities and for the environment. Really, M\u0101ori participation in council and decision making is only going to bring strengths to the Taranaki region. It is not something that P\u0101keh\u0101 should ever be scared about. The fear is really something that is self-generated and self-perpetuating. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe bill provides for changes to place names, and one of those place names is St George\u2019s Redoubt. I went online to check out exactly the history around St George\u2019s Redoubt. \u201CSt George\u201D as a name for a M\u0101ori area to me is quite strange. I had to look up who the heck St George was, and apparently he was a Greek in the Roman army who was martyred because he would not give up his Christian faith. That is honourable, but what does a Greek Roman soldier have to do with Taranaki? The name is going to be changed to Tataraimaka. The history around St George\u2019s Redoubt\u2014basically, there was some armed opposition to British forces. There was a battle. There was retaliation by Sir George Grey, when some 29 locals from Taranaki were killed, and the remains of 28 of them were transported and buried in an unmarked grave. It was unmarked, except for a concrete slab, for some time. They were buried in this area. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EIt is important we realise that when we are talking about Treaty settlements we are actually talking about lives, about people who lived and existed and died for their cause. Those people died in a battle, and many more died in a battle of different sorts\u2014just the battle to survive over the years. That is why it is really important that we do settle these claims. That is why I look forward to the swift passage of this bill through the House through all its stages. N\u0101 reira, huri rauna i t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E[Therefore, I acknowledge, congratulate, and commend you and us all throughout our House.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022 data-id=\u0022902956d592a44944b15ae39e6dccdb60\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022902956d592a44944b15ae39e6dccdb60\u0022\u003EMARAMA FOX (Co-Leader\u2014M\u0101ori Party):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101, an\u014D n\u0101 ka mihi ki a koutou e whakarongo mai nei i t\u0113nei w\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, and acknowledgments to you collectively there, once again, who are listening at this moment.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EI used to teach in a wharekura o Wairarapa. Every now and then I had one of my favourite students go: \u201CWhaea Marama, ooh-sa\u2014just chill.\u201D I am going to take that on board at the moment, but I will be very interested to hear what the objections are in regard to this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EI want to echo the words of Te Whiti again: forbearance, patience, and stout-heartedness\u2014that of the Taranaki people. I acknowledge Jamie Tuuta, Matua Mahara Okeroa, Toka Walden, Wayne Mulligan, Te Miringa Hohaia, who passed in 2011, and Peter Charleton, who passed earlier this year. Their efforts have brought us to this point, in hard-fought, hard-won negotiations. As long as we are here, we will have your back. As long as we continue to stand up and speak we will voice your concerns, as all of us in the House endeavour to do. I acknowledge all of the members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and all of the members who have taken the time to consider the issues that have been brought before us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EYou know, they are right. This is not the embarrassment of one group, that we do not see it all the way to the end. It is the embarrassment of the whole House. I take that on board. Our people have been mucked around by the Crown. That is why we are here. That is why the grievance exists. And we have been mucked around again. We all need to accept that that is our issue to bear. So I apologise, on behalf of the House, that we could not see this all the way through tomorrow. In The Taranaki Report, released in 1996, the Waitangi Tribunal said: \u201CIf war is the absence of peace, the war has never ended in Taranaki, because that essential prerequisite for peace among peoples, that each should be able to live with dignity on their own lands, is still absent and the protest over land rights continues to be made.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EThe Crown breaches of the Treaty of Waitangi in Taranaki included warfare and they involved loss of life, the scorched earth tactics, imprisonment, raupatu, disempowerment, and the Crown\u2019s unprecedented actions at Parihaka. Given that just the other day was the day that we remember the suffragette movement\u2014and if you see the flowers around the House, that is the acknowledgment of women\u2019s right to vote\u2014I want to take this whakatauk\u012B, this proverb, this expression, straight from Parihaka: \u201CE t\u016B tamawahine i te w\u0101 o te kore\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E[\u201CStand up, young women, at a time of nothingness\u201D.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EThat reference was made, and it encouraged the women of Parihaka to stand and speak, because all of the men had been taken away to prison, without trial, under the 1880 Maori Prisoners Act. And another is: \u201CPiki mai i Pungarehu, ka tangi mai te piukara, he tohu reo ng\u0101 ngonga, e rere te manu nawa.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E[\u201CAscend at Pungarehu, the bugle sounds, the voice of the crushed is a signal, the bird in the distance flees.\u201D]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EThis verse is from the waiata that refers to the bugle call at the army camp at Pungarehu. It signals the final stage in the process of loss for the people. You can almost feel and hear that bugle call now, as we sit in this House. We are at the final stage. We are at the last hour. We are at the moment when, finally, we can have the opportunity to take back and move ahead. Although that happens in law, we fully recognise that in Taranaki you have never stopped that fight. The wh\u0101nau who are here have never stopped that fight.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge those members in the House who represent that area, and the efforts that you yourself have taken, Mr Deputy Speaker, and they have taken to bring yourselves to the knowledge of what happened in Taranaki, at Parihaka. It is not taught. It is not known widely. You can go and visit towns anywhere in the region and talk to the local people. They know nothing about what happened there. So I want to acknowledge the efforts that you and your colleagues have made to engage yourselves with the information, to educate yourselves in this process, and to support the voice and the call of the people\u2014because it is their bill. Parihaka has become a symbol not just of peace but of the future, with the Kawe Tutaki, which is being headed and chaired by the Hon Dame Tariana Turia, and all of those others who are involved there. The excitement, the possibility of maybe a Parihaka Day, a Land Wars Day, and all of these things\u2014you can hear the bugle call coming to this point. So I honour their resilience, the strength, the determination to hold on to the rope. I recognise that this settlement is an opportunity to restore the dignity and the mana, and create a true semblance of peace.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EThe M\u0101ori Affairs Committee has examined the bill and unanimously recommends minor and technical amendments. The bill was sponsored by the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, the Hon Chris Finlayson. He has led the process for the Crown and has done an exemplary job. We want to mihi to him. But I want to mihi to the people of Taranaki for their fight, their commitment, their determination, and their forbearance, as in the k\u014Drero of their t\u016Bpuna. I am honoured, I am humbled to be here, as part of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and the M\u0101ori Party, to say that we support you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EFinally, in my first speech in this House I talked about the place where they passed those laws\u2014the Maori Prisoners Act, the Tohunga Suppression Act, the Native Schools Act, the Suppression of Rebellion Act. When I first came to this House I went to look for that place where they stood and debated them. I wanted to see the seats they sat in, the House they stood in, and how dare they. How dare they talk about exterminating the natives\u2014how dare they\u2014and I could not find it because it had been burnt down. \u201CGood job.\u201D\u2014that is what I thought. But the record of the speech, of the k\u014Drero, remains because it is the record of the words that are uttered in this House. So we read into the Hansard, as the Minister did, the raupatu\u2014the confiscation\u2014the grievances, and the issues, so that they would never be lost; though the House burns down, the words remain.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EAnd so the words of Te Whiti, of Tohu K\u0101kahi, and of all our tupuna, ahakoa kua ngaro atu ki Te P\u014D, ko t\u0101tou te hunga ora i tutuki i \u014D r\u0101tou n\u0101 wawata, i \u014D t\u0101tou nei wawata, ng\u0101 wawata m\u014D \u014D t\u0101tou tamariki, tamariki, mokopuna m\u014D \u0101p\u014Dp\u014D, m\u014D t\u0113nei rangi, m\u014D ng\u0101 tau kai te heke mai, toit\u016B te whenua! Ko t\u0101tou i whakapau werawera i t\u0113nei w\u0101, m\u014D te aha? M\u014D \u0101p\u014Dp\u014D! M\u014D te aha? M\u014D ng\u0101 mokopuna! Ahakoa ka mate atu, ahakoa ka ngaro atu, ahakoa ka ahi, ka wera Te Whare, ahakoa ka ngaro atu a P\u0101remata pea, kai reira tonu te kupu o \u014D t\u0101tou t\u016Bpuna. Ka t\u016B m\u014D ake ake tonu i roto i te ng\u0101kau o te tangata. Kai roto i te ture m\u014D t\u0113nei w\u0101, n\u0101 reira, kai te mihi atu ki a koutou, me \u014D koutou k\u0101wai rangatira kai runga i a koutou; kai konei, kai konei, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E[Even though they may have disappeared into the void, we, the living, have fulfilled their desires, our own aspirations, and the yearnings of our children and grandchildren for tomorrow, today, and the years to come; the land is permanent. For those of us who expended sweat at this moment, what did we do it for? For tomorrow! Who for? The grandchildren! Even if I die and disappear, the House ignites, burns, even if Parliament vanishes maybe, the word of our ancestors will remain there. It will stand forever in the heart of the individual. At this moment it is embedded in law, and so I acknowledge you and your noble kinship ties that are upon you; they are here, yes, they are present, salutations to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022 data-id=\u002212d8a473e5ac4abfae0c4dd09c78fb1f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002212d8a473e5ac4abfae0c4dd09c78fb1f\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Deputy Speaker. He mihi nui ki Te Whare P\u0101remata me Taranaki Iwi katoa: te wh\u0101nau, ng\u0101 kuia, ng\u0101 koroua, ng\u0101 tamariki, ng\u0101 mokopuna, ko r\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. A huge acknowledgment to Parliament House, and all of the Taranaki iwi: the family, elderly women and men, children, grandchildren, all of them.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EAcknowledgments to all those who are here today, and all who are not here today and could not be here at this historic moment. I would like to also acknowledge the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and also the P\u0101keh\u0101 MPs, like myself, who are from Taranaki\u2014I am from Hauraki, actually\u2014and the leadership we need to take.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EIt is time for P\u0101keh\u0101 to take leadership on educating our own about the importance of the history of Taranaki. I know that that is what we are committed to doing as MPs and that we have been fortunate to be on a journey that many of our fellow citizens have not been educated on or felt willing to embrace. That is up to us. We need to do this. We need to do this after this. We need this settlement to not just be between the Crown and Taranaki iwi; we need to bring our P\u0101keh\u0101 people on board. So let us do it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EPuketoretore (the water soaked peak) has emerged\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003Emy taiaha expresses satisfaction\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI tread the land there below\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003Ebearing my taiaha like\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003Ethe kakau toki (ceremonial adze)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EWhen we walked to Parihaka with Andrew Judd, the maunga was covered in cloud, and then I experienced the moment that is expressed in these words\u2014when the maunga peak emerged through the clouds briefly. There was a rainbow and there was a moment when we could see the maunga. We could see Taranaki in all its glory. We tread that road with satisfaction because, at last, P\u0101keh\u0101 were walking. I would just like to acknowledge that we walked to Parihaka that day, and some of the people who are in this gallery were with us because Taranaki iwi, in their generosity, walked alongside us. It is time that the h\u012Bkoi is the h\u012Bkoi of my culture in support of these settlements. It is time for that. It was a privilege to walk through the whenua of Taranaki iwi\u2014the lush green whenua, the rich lands, the stolen lands\u2014to Parihaka to hear the drum, to be welcomed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI would like to acknowledge in the House today the former MP Mahara Okeroa, who was present and who welcomed us, and all of Parihaka, who welcomed us in peace. In response to 1.2 million hectares being stolen, we have been offered peace. We need to take up that offer. I really need to acknowledge the importance of Parihaka. I am aware that the Minister is leading, as he does, another process for Parihaka in a creative way and that those processes will lead, hopefully, to an even greater national understanding of this place. Taranaki led the world in peaceful, non-violent resistance, as well as strategic warfare. I mihi to both those strategies, although I am in the Greens and we are non-violent. I mihi to both those strategies\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002218cd41fd7cb64b52b0c688f6210b1943\u0022\u003EHon Nanaia Mahuta\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002259b5fcd15fd340bf815043150bbbceb2\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014because I am Irish\u2014no, because I cannot help it. Both the strategic military response to colonisation and the non-violent response through Parihaka are a credit to Taranaki iwi in terms of their survival. It is really important to recognise that the world talks about Gandhi, but before Gandhi there was Te Whiti o Rongomai and Tohu K\u0101kahi. We actually led the world\u2014this country. How many kids get up in school and know that our peace leaders\u2014the peace leaders of Taranaki\u2014pre-dated non-violent resistance in India? They led the world. What happened next? We need to know, and we need to talk about what happened next. That is why we tread the road. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI was proud to work with a mayor who actually understood this. I was at a seminar the other day with Andrew Judd and he said that before he was mayor, he had never been to a marae. He aha? How is it that we have leaders in this so-called successful democracy that we protect\u2014\u201Cso-called\u201D because we cannot have M\u0101ori representation, some people say\u2014when we have a mayor who had never been to a marae? I bet he is not the only one. I hope he is the only one. He is not the only one now because he has taken steps to educate himself and to acknowledge, and he walked to Parihaka to do that. And we walked with him, and it was awesome because the people of Parihaka and of Taranaki iwi are here to teach us something about not only what it is to be in Aotearoa but what it is to be human. So I mihi to them, their tupuna, and to this bill as a chance for them to have a justice that will support the leadership they have already given this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003ETalking about some aspects of that bill\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f1453f8-c44e-4ce6-b699-64d600322276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241583f4efebf44848394857815277059\u0022\u003EMr DEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That is good.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226201c69064294d4b8edf046dd53a5e24\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014ha, ha, it is all about the bill, Mr Deputy Speaker, fear not\u20141.2 million acres was stolen, and $200 million is a good start, but, as everyone has said, it is a drop in a bucket. But we have to be real. You cannot live in this world now without cash, so at least it is a start. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EI want to speak more fully, though, on the issue of name change. Name change is an essential part of the Treaty settlements and an essential part of this Treaty settlement. We have to help our people\u2014I am talking about my people\u2014recognise and reimagine reality here, that they are on M\u0101ori land, that this is Aotearoa, and that these places had names. One of the most powerful techniques of colonisation is to wipe out the names of places and replace them with names that do not belong there. My ancestors come from the other side of the world, and we brought our names. Fine\u2014we need to remember who we are, but we should not impose our names. We should not. So I support this settlement because it gives back and recognises the names that have always been there, have always lived there, underneath the veil of the colonisation process. So good on the settlement process for that\u2014for the naming as it should be. We need a lot more of that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EThe other aspect of the settlement that I want to talk about is the Taranaki Regional Council\u2014three members\u2019 representation on some committees. Guess what! The P\u0101keh\u0101s do not vote for M\u0101ori in local government. Let us be honest. I know numerous people who have stood for local government\u2014M\u0101ori who have stood\u2014and have not been elected, year after year. M\u0101ori representation has not increased. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022919a8e8d-afaf-4342-ad6f-71cbb6024544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022adcaeb5fdb814910a5506d8bbfe49350\u0022\u003EClayton Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s ridiculous.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200002669c71142f48d9f0bd1e1685904\u0022\u003ECATHERINE DELAHUNTY\u003C/span\u003E: It is ridiculous? It is true. It is sad but true that the population\u2014we only need to look at the number of M\u0101ori on district councils and you will see that it has not increased, but the number of M\u0101ori who are standing continues to increase. So what is happening? Why would we not recognise the Treaty and actually recognise the contribution of the Treaty partner? Why is it that the Westminster model is the only way in which people can be represented? Article 2 of Te Tiriti o Waitangi recognises that the relationship of Te Tiriti is not about imposing the supposed democracy, and that is what\u2014I do not even think this goes far enough, but at least it is a start. Again, it is a start, but it does not go far enough. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EThe final things I want to talk about are\u2014there are things that haunt me and should haunt us about this. We need to celebrate progress. We need to continue, and I acknowledge the Minister for the work around Parihaka. It is really exciting. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003EWe also need to remember that if we do not know the stories, we cannot move forward. As a person who has worked in Te Tiriti education, I want to acknowledge that I have spent many times sitting down with students, mainly P\u0101k\u0113ha, and talking about the laws that affected Taranaki iwi\u2014the Suppression of Rebellion Act, the M\u0101ori Prisoners Act. We need our young people to fully understand that this settlement is about those Acts. It is about trying to redress some of what was done, what was laid down then through the law, through this Parliament\u2014this very Parliament did that. That is where it happened. The Governor ordered Captain Cracroft of the ship HMS Niger to bomb the Warea k\u0101inga. Redoubts were established\u2014that is a small sentence; it is a cold sentence. We need to realise that bombing took place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ee528dc-7870-4553-95ed-5ec0cab60f07\u0022\u003ENow we need to do the healing. I honour Taranaki iwi, I honour Parihaka, and I honour the steps forward. Kia kaha. I am proud to have an opportunity to acknowledge you and to speak on this bill. Kia ora koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022 data-id=\u00225d6bf2892964439ebb5b30baf09f0ce4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225d6bf2892964439ebb5b30baf09f0ce4\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG (National\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Deputy Speaker. Can I just say, again, greetings to our iwi leaders who are here today. Kia ora, Wayne\u2014I saw you slip in before. It is good to see you and acknowledge Toka for your leadership within Taranaki iwi, and also, of course, Jamie, H\u0113mi, and Mahara\u2014an awesome negotiation team who I believe have done a fantastic job for Taranaki iwi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003ECan I just say a few words: here in Taranaki we not just have the most profound history of the incredible hardship and duress and the shocking actions of the Crown against a people but we see this amazing response that leads the world\u2014as the previous speaker, Catherine Delahunty, was saying\u2014in terms of a peaceful resistance, which I believe is an international story. My hope, and I am sure it is yours as well, is that it becomes something that is increasingly recognised around the world as being something of tremendous forethought, thinking, depth of understanding, and nobility, and wanting to work through all the issues that all of that means. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EWe think back to May 1879, when the followers of Te Whiti and Tohu began to plough across Taranaki as an assertion of their rights to the land. By the end of July, just a few months later, 182 ploughmen had been arrested. A number of years ago, I went to Dunedin to look at the place of incarceration because, as Catherine and others have said, we have, certainly from Taranaki, wanted to know the story. I was shocked and appalled to see that place of incarceration that they were taken to, many without trial\u2014and what trial, anyway, would ever be considered to be righteous? It never was. So I think what we see here is an action and a series of actions against a people who sought to stand on their ground and who sought to oppose in a peaceful manner, and yet were treated so poorly throughout the years that followed. Even the Crown\u2019s compensation courts continued to perpetrate the confiscations in many, many regards. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI want to say just a few more words, because I think that there is, right now, this turning point between looking at the past, understanding where we have come from\u2014which is very, very important\u2014and then, also, being able to step forward into our future. When we have the third reading of this bill\u2014and then from that comes the greater release of the redresses and the settlements\u2014there comes the opportunity to rebuild the economic base that once was. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI look at the tremendous example of Ng\u0101i Tahu, and my good friend and colleague Nuk Korako took us to Ng\u0101i Tahu at the beginning of last year. We visited and met with them and learnt what they have done through their great skill and capacity, and how back in 1998, 18 years ago, they received a settlement of $170 million. They then built that asset base, as we know, to well over a billion dollars. They are the most prolific tourism operators, they have great holdings, and they have an amazing way of supporting their iwi, and I came away incredibly impressed at the industriousness and the great skill and strength that Ng\u0101i Tahu bring not only to their people but also to the people of Canterbury and the South Island and to the whole country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI see and acknowledge what is able to be contributed to New Zealand through these settlements. First and foremost, it is for our iwi to have that economic base so that they can fulfil their aspirations, but we know that when you are strong, we are strong. When you succeed, we succeed. This is important because all of New Zealand should be celebrating these settlements, because it is coming to an opportunity where we can see that dark and difficult past dissolve into a brighter and a greater future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI want to say, as a member of the Taranaki community, that, particularly around Parihaka and the compact of trust, you can count on me to work with you to ensure your success. That place is going to be remembered and strengthened, and I believe it will be a place of great opportunity for the world to see what you have done in these difficult times. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u002258eb1b65631e4544904ee83cf2c60178\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002258eb1b65631e4544904ee83cf2c60178\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Can I just say to the people of Taranaki, who have heard all these statements out of this House these last 48 hours, to consider some of the facts. The Minister in charge of this bill, Chris Finlayson, says he came here to do good\u2014his very words. No, he did not. He came here to make himself a Queen\u2019s Counsel by self-appointment on 13 December 2012. He used his office as Attorney-General to make himself a Queen\u2019s Counsel. He never got it from the profession, and surely he wants\u2014after this, of course\u2014to get a knighthood and be a judge as well, but he cannot win a seat.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ECan I ask you this question\u2014ask anybody in Taranaki mindful of the west coast leases and what the National Government then offered to the people of Taranaki back in 1997: a lousy $28 million. One party stepped up, with its leader, and said \u201CNo, we\u2019ll pay the full price, $60 million.\u201D, and we did. That is our record, not National\u2019s. On the question of the Kermadecs\u2014which is of interest to the people of Taranaki, as well\u2014what happened in the Kermadecs? Well, the Government went down and sold out the total legal right, right under your nose, and the M\u0101ori Party was asleep. So before you hug your wh\u0101nau from around the country, find out the Government\u2019s record. Mr Finlayson told my colleagues\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223be308b11b5c4ab5857f36dc6a4b9a03\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: This is outrageous, even by your standards\u2014absolutely outrageous.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b982acba2b8840cdb375e620a5265e2c\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and I do not want to hear from that flyboy from Hamilton, who would not know a M\u0101ori if he fell over one. Just keep quiet\u2014you, sir, know nothing about the M\u0101ori world. I am talking about bills that I have been aware of since I was a young lawyer in the early 1970s. I do not want to hear from a schoolteacher like you who knows nothing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EBack to my point\u2014back to my point. Mr Finlayson told my colleagues, he said: \u201CDon\u2019t worry about this provision in the bill. It\u2019s identical to the Local Government Act.\u201D He said it is identical to the Local Government Act. At that point, my colleague pulled the Supplementary Order Paper on his assurance. Mr Finlayson, that was false, and I will prove it to you. That was demonstrably false, and the whip can get up and make any comment he likes, but the reality is that I will prove, on the documents today, that what he said was false.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002277333e3c-5658-4149-9cad-262a0deed378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222172ffd0a3374a8cbe36f8964da7e38a\u0022\u003ETodd Barclay\u003C/span\u003E: Sit down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6033270194249d7be1bfeae9ffd807a\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Here are the documents\u2014oh, no, I am not sitting down. I will be here long after you have gone, sunshine. Ha, ha! I will be here long after you, because these M\u0101ori people up here are not going to be sucked in by your words of integrity and honesty and how you feel all the passion. Boy, I have been around in the M\u0101ori world a long time, and the last thing I am going to believe is you\u2014make no bones about that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EDo you know what the Local Government Act says\u2014hear these words: \u201CThe members of a committee or subcommittee may, but need not be, elected members of the local authority, and a local authority or committee may \u2026\u201D. If you go the bill that he said was identical\u2014this \u201CBlackstone of the Antipodes\u201D, this leading legal mind alongside Lord Denning from the Commonwealth. He told everybody on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee that it was the same, but listen to these words: \u201CThe Council must appoint \u2026\u201D\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002277333e3c-5658-4149-9cad-262a0deed378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f521b06fd2874c04a46a65d9dc28eaa6\u0022\u003ETodd Barclay\u003C/span\u003E: Talk about the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224400d27b19da4ce39868e1fda62b9697\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: This is the bill, sunshine. I am reading from the bill\u2014dummy from Gore. I am reading from the bill. The man whose\u2014half his electorate organisation walked off and joined New Zealand First, and you can see why. In the deep south they like the truth. They like honesty.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EHere we go: \u201CThe Council must \u2026\u201D. Is \u201Cmust\u201D the word \u201Cmay\u201D? Are they the same? Mr Finlayson, are \u201Cmust\u201D and \u201Cmay\u201D the same? Well, do not go to the select committee and pull a whole lot of flannel and think that you are going to get away with it. You are found out, sunshine. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EHe gets into a right little hissy fit. Did you hear him this morning? All the venom\u2014\u201CI came here to do good.\u201D Oh, really? What did he do about the Kermadecs? Go and ask the people of Ng\u0101puhi. What did he do about the Kermadecs? Ask Ng\u0101i Tahu. You thought you could walk through there without the member finding out. Well, thank heavens they have got a party called New Zealand First. They have got a party called New Zealand First, and we keep the system honest.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221b93b8270b3346b1be2056ca8fe67e62\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: Speak about the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221bfd64714f96486b8ed342f51fe9ff09\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: This is the bill, idiot features. Here we are, page 50\u2014all right\u2014clause 99(3). This is what is in the bill; I am reading it to you. That is how familiar he is, and that man is the whip. He is the organiser. You can see why National is falling in the polls, because that is the kind of \u201Cloony tunes\u201D, disorganised twit it has got organising the National caucus. But here we go\u2014here is Gerry Brownlee\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225aef879d66344be1bd6db71c61453fdb\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely outrageous behaviour\u2014horrible, even by his standards.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb8a1f66402f48efbd7b177c8e8f5437\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, lighten up, sunshine, I could eat you for breakfast. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dcbbcbb8eb8d43419f60cc7171076dd4\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: No, not for you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227fbd2e41d18941729de63a3a37c689fd\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha! I could eat you for breakfast. Listen to him\u2014loud-mouth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EHere was Gerry Brownlee on Morning Report\u2014he gets asked this: \u201CHow many National MPs were going to be there on Friday?\u201D. Do you know what he said? \u201CAh, look, I can\u2019t go into that because I am not the whip.\u201D He is the Leader of the House. There is Tim\u2014that is the whip there. I know you find this incredulous. I know you find this unbelievable, that he could be a whip. But Gerry had not even consulted with him, and perhaps he had an excuse there. But he said: \u201CI am not the whip, and don\u2019t have that info in front of me. But it would have been in the vicinity of, sort of, 40 people.\u201D Right, so if he has got 40 and we have got 12, what is the problem? Come on, let me ask you this question. If we have got 12 and they have got 40\u2014according to Gerry\u2014plus the M\u0101ori Party, plus the Greens, and plus Labour, then why are we not here tomorrow on this bill? Those members shut down your right. They shut down your entitlement. They pulled\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa9d8a0d631d407ba6f17f79545d2333\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022428dce4998a948cfb3e2891017267d9c\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Gerry Brownlee pulled the vote. \u201CMr Whip\u201D, your bulbous, loud-mouthed behaviour does you no good at all. I have the transcript here of the Business Committee\u2019s workings and its diary, and it says that you are telling bulldust, so leave and go somewhere else\u2014thank you very much. The House has got better all of a sudden. Ha, ha! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ELook, the interviewer is on to it. She said: \u201CIf there were 40-odd, wouldn\u2019t that\u2014hang on a minute, Mr Brownlee. If there was 40-odd, wouldn\u2019t that give you the numbers?\u201D. This is from the Morning Report interview this morning\u2014a direct transcript. Guess what Gerry said\u2014he said: \u201CI think you\u2019re missing the point here.\u201D What point would that be? Could the House sit tomorrow\u2014yes or no? Today he says you are missing the point. But this is the point, though: \u201CIf you had 75 percent of the MPs here, which I think is about 44 members in National\u2019s case, then would you have had the numbers?\u201D. Listen to this one here\u2014I know the people in Taranaki have heard too much bulldust over the years to fall for this sort of flimflam from them. Guess what Gerry said: \u201CNo, because\u201D\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221329cadc28e246c2afacedf6a3bdcdf0\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224804efe91b5a4490974488148582d0e2\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, Mr Brownlee, sorry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dccc26e1aaa54c4aae426faa3a8f9673\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Peters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6a262a37e1e480d9950355ec53be1b9\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: I apologise. The erstwhile Mr Brownlee: \u201CNo, because there is a formula for how you cast your vote.\u201D What formula would that be? The people of Taranaki are being taken for a ride right now. Pray tell me, the next speaker from National, what formula would that be? [Interruption] Do not laugh. Oh, they are looking down now, are they not? Ask the genius\u2014the genius, the \u201CBlackstone from the Antipodes\u201D, the man who thinks he is up there with Lord Denning. What formula, Mr Minister, would that be? Caught out\u2014he has been caught out by his own words.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ELet me say this here: there is nothing to stop this legislation passing today and tomorrow. My party would be here to make sure it happens, as we said we would. I understand that every other party would have been as well, but National and the M\u0101ori Party briefly saw a chance to try to make some mileage. Well, it is not going to cut it\u2014[Interruption] Do not shake your head. I know why you do that, because that is how you were born\u2014with that stupid look.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ECan I just say, very clearly, that what matters is that in the dark of the night, the Government sneaked a provision into legislation that had been voted down dramatically in New Plymouth in May of last year, when 83 percent of people in the Taranaki area came out and said they did not want race-based appointments to the council. There were 83 percent who said that, but not this National Party. Having campaigned on \u201CKiwi not iwi\u201D\u2014which got it in here\u2014it is now going back to an apartheid-type system where it wants, under this law, to appoint six people, paid for by ratepayers, on to the council, and none of them would be elected.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EThis is the home of Sir Peter Buck. Sir Peter Buck, one of the greatest people ever, came to this Parliament. M\u0101oridom still has that capacity in this Parliament, and what you are seeing today, I might tell you\u2014whether you agree or not\u2014is this: there is a party in this Parliament where M\u0101ori do not regard themselves as being pigeon-holed, being second-class citizens, or being tabulated by people like the Attorney-General. That party is called New Zealand First, and that is why we are making the stand we are making now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00222bb8019ef7354b6eb8d0b9fdbdad1e0c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222bb8019ef7354b6eb8d0b9fdbdad1e0c\u0022\u003EADRIAN RURAWHE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Hau\u0101uru):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare, otir\u0101, e t\u016B ake au i runga i ng\u0101 kaupapa o ng\u0101 poropititanga o Taranaki. N\u014D reira, kia tau an\u014D te rangim\u0101rie ki a t\u0101tou. Taku k\u014Drero atu ki Te Whare nei \u201Ckia \u016B, kia \u016B, kia \u016B\u201D ki ng\u0101 kaupapa k\u014Drero o ng\u0101 poropititanga e p\u0101 ana ki t\u0113nei pire. N\u014D reira, e tika an kia tuku mihi atu ki ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa o Taranaki Iwi, ki a Ng\u0101ti Haumia, Ng\u0101ti Haupoto, Ng\u0101ti Kahumate, Ng\u0101 M\u0101hanga-\u0101-Tairi, Ng\u0101ti Moeahu, Ng\u0101ti Kamarongo, Ng\u0101ti Tara, Ng\u0101ti T\u016Bhekerangi. N\u014D reira, Taranaki Iwi, t\u0113nei ahau e tuku mihi atu ki a koutou: nau mai, haere mai, whakatau mai nei, ki t\u0113nei te ana raiona, n\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[And so I say, thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker, but at the same time I stand upon the philosophies of the Taranaki prophecies. Therefore, allow peace to prevail over us once again. My word to this House is \u201Cbe firm, staunch, and resolute\u201D to the philosophical talk about the prophecies as they relate to this bill. So it is fitting that I extend a welcome to all the hap\u016B of the Taranaki iwi: to Ng\u0101ti Haumia, Ng\u0101ti Haupoto, Ng\u0101ti Kahumate, Ng\u0101 M\u0101hanga-\u0101-Tair\u012B, Ng\u0101ti Moeahu, Ng\u0101ti Tamarongo, Ng\u0101ti Tara, and Ng\u0101ti T\u016Bhekerangi. Therefore, I say to you collectively, the iwi of Taranaki: welcome, come hither, and alight here into the lion\u2019s den, salutations to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI am pleased to take a call on this bill\u2014this bill here, the totality of this bill and its history in getting to the House today. Ki a koe, e Mahara Okeroa, t\u0113nei te mihi ake ki a koe, m\u014D \u014D ma\u2019i ka ma\u2019ia mai e koe, me koutou katoa e whakat\u016B ana i t\u2019\u0113nei, n\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koe, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[To you, Mahara Okeroa, this is an acknowledgment for all your work, and that done by all of you as well in putting this up, so acknowledgments to you, Mahara, and to you collectively.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI have said it often, and I am going to say it again on this bill: this is an expression of the generosity of an iwi to this country. When you accept a negotiated settlement that has a far lower value in commercial terms, then that is a gift to the country, and that needs to be acknowledged\u2014despite everything around it, and in spite of all the issues that have been raised that are not really relevant to this bill within this, the lion\u2019s den, and I suppose that we have to acknowledge that that is what it is. I acknowledge all of the negotiators\u2014both the Crown negotiators and the iwi negotiators as well\u2014for bringing this issue to the House. I started off by recognising our poropititanga, and I join with other members who have acknowledged Te Whiti o Rongomai and Tohu K\u0101kahi for their visionary way of taking action in a way that never ever diminished their integrity, their mana, and the interests of the people. That is why I say to the House today this is an act of generosity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI support the bill because it is supported by all of the hap\u016B of Taranaki iwi\u2014that was very clear through the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee process. The changes that the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee has made are technical, and they make the bill a better one. I do want to address the issue of the Taranaki Regional Council. I think it is absolutely incorrect and wrong for anyone in this House to stand up and say that these clauses are race-based\u2014they are not. These provide positions on a standing committee, not on the council itself. I think the issue that we also have to acknowledge is that Taranaki iwi, along with all the other iwi that have settled or are about to settle their claims, are a significant group within Taranaki, just like Federated Farmers are, and they have similar arrangements as well\u2014without an Act of Parliament, without a deed of settlement. This is not about being M\u0101ori; this is about a large group of people within Taranaki who have\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd2422222b264091ba724990ccffd870\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Trevor Mallard)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I apologise to the member, but two of my friends and colleagues are having a conversation that is somehow getting into the sound system, and neither of them have quiet voices.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267c1cbd9a07548d69133d48affc3cbf1\u0022\u003EADRIAN RURAWHE\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare. As I was saying, this is a standing committee of the Taranaki Regional Council, not the council itself. It will play a very important role in the future of all of Taranaki, and a major voice of Taranaki iwi needs to be at that table. They need to have their voices heard in that context, and I mihi to the mana whenua. It is not all M\u0101ori who live in Taranaki. This is not about race; this is about iwi rights under Te Tiriti o Waitangi. I acknowledge my colleague Louisa Wall in her earlier contribution and Catherine Delahunty in her contribution, who highlighted those very facts. This is about upholding Te Tiriti o Waitangi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI spoke earlier about ensuring that all settlements are enduring. It would be a travesty for this Parliament to pass a piece of legislation based on a deed of settlement and then to try to back out of it. Parliament is better than that. It is wrong for Parliament to even attempt to do that. A deed of settlement between the Crown and the iwi is a binding contract\u2014binding. We, as a Parliament, have an obligation to make sure that we work through all of those processes and that we try to make the bill a better bill\u2014not to change the substantive issues within it, but to address technical issues and make changes where there is an agreement between the iwi and the Parliament. So I stand here to refute everything that was said by the Rt Hon Winston Peters on this issue. Aroha mai, e te matua, kai te h\u0113, kai te h\u0113.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[I am sorry, sir, that is incorrect and wrong.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI want to speak about the major part for me, and for many, which is around cultural redress. The cultural redress mechanisms cannot be quantified in monetary terms, but it is huge, in this bill, within this settlement. There are well over 20 statutory acknowledgments and there are deeds of recognition. There are all the cultural redress mechanisms within this bill, which add and acknowledge the mana of Taranaki iwi. I want to acknowledge those negotiators who had the tenacity to bring together such a comprehensive cultural redress mechanism within this bill. Ng\u0101 mihi nui ki a koutou. Quite often, I think, those issues are lost within the context of the discussion in this House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI do not want to prolong this discussion. I think in the second reading we need to move this along and make sure that we get to third reading at the earliest possible time. N\u014D reira, e Te Whare, t\u0113nei ahau an\u014D e tuku mihi atu i roto i ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga o ng\u0101 poropititanga; kia tau an\u014D te rangimarie, kia ora mai t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Therefore, to the House, I once again extend a tribute of acknowledgment in the circumstances of the prophecies; allow peace to prevail once again, my appreciation to us.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u00224efbbdb932654915876bb38dfc11554d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224efbbdb932654915876bb38dfc11554d\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour\u2014Hauraki-Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, Taranaki Iwi t\u0113n\u0101 koutou! Kua rongo atu ki ng\u0101 korero i puta mai i te rangi nei e p\u0101 ana ki ng\u0101 taonga i waenganui i a koutou. Kua kawea e koutou t\u0113r\u0101 tino taonga m\u014D t\u0101tou Te M\u0101ori, te maungarongo, hei \u0101rahi i \u014D m\u0101tou nei whakaaro ahakoa ng\u0101 piki me ng\u0101 heke, ahakoa ng\u0101 p\u0113hitanga kei runga i a t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EKua kite mai e au t\u0113r\u0101 t\u016B \u0101huatanga kei waenganui i a koutou, n\u014D reira, ka nui te mihi atu ki ng\u0101 whakaaro i puta mai e pa ana ki ng\u0101 mahi o ng\u0101 kaunihera \u0101-rohe. \u0112hara t\u0113nei w\u0101hanga ki t\u014D koutou nei pire, he w\u0101hanga hou. Kua whai tauira koutou pea i t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 wh\u0101inga kei waenganui i Te Rohe o Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti i raro i t\u0113r\u0101 ture m\u014D Te Hawkes Bay Planning Committee. I hipa t\u0113r\u0101 pire, me \u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 tauira, kia noho tata mai ng\u0101 mea M\u0101ori i runga i t\u0113r\u0101 komiti, kia aro atu ki ng\u0101 mahere, ng\u0101 rautaki o t\u0101 r\u0101tou nei iwi, n\u014D reira, kua kite mai te \u0101hua tauritetanga o te noho i roto i te w\u0101hanga iwa tekau m\u0101 waru, atu ki te iwa tekau m\u0101 iwa. K\u0101re au e whakapono ki ng\u0101 k\u014Drero i puta mai i te kaihaut\u016B o Aotearoa Tuatahi. Ko au t\u0113tehi i whakah\u0113 i tana k\u014Drero n\u0101 runga i te m\u014Dhio, ahakoa ka t\u016Bt\u016B mai ng\u0101 ringa M\u0101ori kei waenganui i ng\u0101 k\u014Dwhiringa p\u014Dti \u0101-rohe, he uaua kia eke i runga i ng\u0101 kaunihera. \u0100, ka ahatia? Ka kitea i te tuatahi t\u0113nei t\u016B \u0101huatanga, whai muri i t\u0113r\u0101, ka tae ki te w\u0101 ka noho he mema ki runga i t\u0113tehi Kaunihera \u0101-rohe. N\u014D reira, e whakapono au, he t\u012Bmatatanga t\u0113nei, he t\u012Bmatanga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EWhakaaro ake au ki ng\u0101 momo t\u012Bnihanga o ng\u0101 ingoa M\u0101ori. E kaha ana te k\u014Drero o Te Komiti M\u0101ori m\u014D te whakam\u014Dhiotia kei waenganui i ng\u0101 kura, ng\u0101 h\u012Btori t\u016Bturu o ia rohe i te w\u0101 i tutuki ng\u0101 take Tiriti. Ka t\u012Bmata ki konei! T\u012Bni ki ng\u0101 ingoa tika kei waenganui i ng\u0101 iwi, kia noho t\u016Bturu ng\u0101 ingoa M\u0101ori i runga i te whenua. Ar\u0101, mai reira, ka \u0101ta whakaarohia, he aha te tino p\u016Btake o t\u0113nei ingoa ki t\u0113nei w\u0101hi, he aha ng\u0101 whakam\u0101rama. He mea pai t\u0113r\u0101 e kite nei e au! Ko t\u0113tehi atu, ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga e p\u0101 ana ki ng\u0101 wai m\u0101ori, ng\u0101 manga me ng\u0101 awa, kua kite au i roto i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero o te w\u0101 m\u014D te mauri o te wai, te mana o te wai! He w\u0101hanga t\u0113nei kia t\u016B t\u0113tehi pou hei whakatakoto i ng\u0101 hiahia o Taranaki ki \u014D r\u0101tou nei wai m\u0101ori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EAtu i t\u0113r\u0101, e Te Minita, tino whakaaro ake au ki \u014D k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki a Parihaka, me aku k\u014Drero ki t\u0113nei rangatira a Mahara, kia haere ng\u0101tahi ng\u0101 hiahia o te iwi e p\u0101 ana ki ng\u0101 take m\u014D te whenua, ng\u0101 mea kei roto i te pire nei, ki ng\u0101 hiahia o te k\u0101inga o Parihaka. Ko te t\u016Bmanako, ahakoa te aha \u0101 t\u0113r\u0101 tau, ka whakatinanahia e t\u0113nei P\u0101remata ng\u0101 wawata kei runga i t\u0113r\u0101 p\u0101, a Parihaka. He tauira t\u0113r\u0101 ka p\u0101 ki a t\u0101tou katoa, M\u0101ori m\u0101, P\u0101keh\u0101 m\u0101, kia kite i t\u0113nei taonga o te maung\u0101rongo, te rongomau m\u014D t\u014D t\u0101tou nei whenua, atu i ng\u0101 take Tiriti, kei reira te tino wh\u0101inga: me p\u0113whea e taea t\u0113nei motu e mau i ng\u0101 rongo, hei noho marire, hei noho pai t\u0101tou i runga i te mata o te whenua, hei mahi ng\u0101tahi kia pu\u0101wai pai a t\u0101tou tamariki katoa? N\u014D reira i kite au i te tino hua o te pu\u0101waitanga o te whakaaro e p\u0101 ana ki Parihaka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EKarekau e hiahia ana ki te whakaroatia ng\u0101 k\u014Drero, e tautoko ana i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero o aku t\u016Bngane, a Adrian r\u0101ua ko Kelvin. Kia t\u0101piri atu ki te kaupapa nei, n\u014D reira, Taranaki Iwi t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E[And so greetings to you, the tribe of Taranaki! You have heard the contributions that have been made today about the treasures you have amongst you. You have borne that prized possession, peace, for us M\u0101ori as a guide for our thoughts regardless of the ups and downs, and despite the pressures upon us. I have noted that aspect amongst you, and so I admire you greatly for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI have much admiration for the views that have emerged about the functions of regional councils. This part of your bill is not a new one. You might have gained an example, perhaps, from one of those aims amongst the region of Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti, under that Act for the Hawkes Bay Planning Committee. That bill and other examples were passed so that those M\u0101ori members on that committee living close by could give due consideration to the plans and strategies that relate specifically to their tribe, therefore the similarity to how sections 98 and 99 sit can be seen. I don\u2019t believe the statements made by the leader of New Zealand First. I am one who opposes what he said, because I know that despite the fact that M\u0101ori hands are raised to enter local body elections, it is very difficult for them to get on to councils. So what happens? In the first instance, this situation is identified and, after that, one eventually is able to sit on a regional council as a member, in time. So I truly believe that this is a beginning, it is a start.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI think about the various changes to M\u0101ori names. The M\u0101ori Affairs Committee has spoken strongly about the understanding there is among schools about the real history of each region at the time Treaty matters are settled. The change back to the proper names among the tribes begins here, so that the original M\u0101ori place names on the lands remain permanently. So from there the relevance and actual meaning of that name to this place can be carefully considered. I perceive that as a good thing! Furthermore, in terms of matters relating to fresh waters, mountains, and rivers, I have found out about the vitality and power of the water in the stories of the time. This part sets up a marker for Taranaki\u2019s aspirations to their fresh water.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThat aside, Minister, I have really considered your statements about Parihaka, and my comments to the esteemed Mahara Okeroa, and how they must go in unison with the aspirations of the tribe about matters relating to the land, things that are in this bill, alongside the needs of the Parihaka settlement. Regardless of what happens next year, the hope is that this Parliament implements the expectations placed upon that settlement of Parihaka. That model touches us all, both M\u0101ori and P\u0101keh\u0101, and to witness this treasure of peace and serenity for this country of ours, aside from Treaty matters, that is really what is being pursued here: how will this nation maintain a peaceful existence and work well together so that all of our children can come to fruition properly? And so I can see the real benefit in regard to the philosophy about Parihaka coming to fruition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI do not wish to prolong the contributions, and endorse those of my colleagues Adrian and Kelvin as an addition to this matter, so congratulations to you, the tribe of Taranaki.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022b008a77efc6f441abc0daa69b434cae4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b008a77efc6f441abc0daa69b434cae4\u0022\u003EBARBARA KURIGER (National\u2014Taranaki - King Country):\u003C/span\u003E It is a pleasure to take another short call on the settlement for Taranaki iwi. Of all the Treaty settlements that have already been done to date, this one is actually the one that is probably the most meaningful for me, because this is the area where I grew up. I was born in \u014Cpunake and I lived a fair proportion of my early life near \u014Crimupiko Marae. When I got married to my husband, Louis, we moved to a place called \u014Caonui near Te P\u014Dtaka. I went to school with many of the people who lived in and around Parihaka at that time\u2014at \u014Cpunake High School. So, for me, this is actually very close to my heart and very close to home. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EI would just like to reiterate some of the words that have been said around Parihaka from the Hon Nanaia Mahuta in her speech that she has just made, about fulfilling the aspirations of the people of Parihaka. If you go into Puke Ariki museum in Ng\u0101 Motu you can actually see pictures of what Parihaka used to look like. To me, the devastation and everything that went on there\u2014there are no words and no amount of money that can make up for that now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EBut, again, I want to comment on the generosity of the Taranaki iwi in accepting this settlement, and I also want to make mention of Adrian Rurawhe, who talked about the economy. I have actually got a copy of an article that he wrote for the Opunake and Coastal News about the growing M\u0101ori economy and about the development phase and about the work that will happen for the young people. I really want to fully endorse that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EI really want to wish Wharehoka Wano well as tumuwhakarito of Te K\u0101hui o Taranaki Trust, and the trust chairman, Toka Walden, who went to school with me. About the 5-year strategy, I know there are plans, I know there are visions, and I look forward to seeing not only the economic benefits that come from this Treaty settlement but, I think, more importantly for me, the cultural redress. I look forward to Parihaka being a wonderful place again for your people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003ESo, for me, it is about any partnership between the Crown and the Taranaki iwi that can help to develop Parihaka, in particular, back to its status. It will never be what it was. It was taken away, and it is really sad that it was taken away in shame in such a peaceful protest, but we can develop Parihaka into something really fabulous again. So it is the economic redress, but, more importantly for me, it is the cultural redress. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00220f7f18640e9c4661afde78a5124a9564\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Taranaki Iwi Claims Settlement Bill be now read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 108\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 13; M\u0101ori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 12\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First 12.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222c6a083740ca418ab1512fe4e7d38f1d\u0022\u003ENgatikahu ki Whangaroa Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00220014d781834e4e048f8f2883c93ff0a3\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u002297f5429844854ebeb74b06a5b169ef75\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002297f5429844854ebeb74b06a5b169ef75\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa Claims Settlement Bill be now read a second time. This bill gives effect to a deed of settlement between the Crown and the iwi, which was signed in December 2015, the closing stages of last year. It provides financial and cultural redress and acknowledges the losses suffered by Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa arising from serious breaches by the Crown of its Treaty obligations. I want to, as I do always, acknowledge the work of the negotiators for Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, my ministerial colleagues, and the Government, and other agencies that have contributed to this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI also want to thank the chair and members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee for their hard work during the consideration of the bill and for the exploration of the issues that were raised in submissions. The bill was referred to the committee on 13 April this year, 19 submissions were received from interested groups and individuals, and the committee heard 11 of these at hearings in the Waitangi Treaty Grounds and in Wellington in June this year. The committee reported back to the House on 2 September, and it recommended that it be passed with some technical changes to land descriptions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThere is one particular matter I want to refer to. In its commentary on the bill, the committee noted there were several submissions that asked for Stony Creek Station to be transferred to Ng\u0101ti Aukiwa rather than Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, and they wanted it transferred as a distinct tribal entity. Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, who are the mandated negotiators, have repeatedly advised the Crown that most marae and hap\u016B have associations with the Stony Creek Station and the adjacent Thomson and Clarke Blocks. For a number of years, certain members of the Ng\u0101ti Aukiwa hap\u016B within Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa have occupied the Stony Creek Station. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThere have been numerous attempts to repair the relationship between the iwi and the occupiers and have the occupiers leave Stony Creek. It is vital for the success of the Treaty settlement that the iwi can obtain its major Treaty settlement assets unencumbered and that they work together. The iwi is going to need to redevelop a farm that has been neglected and develop their assets for the benefit of all its beneficiaries. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe station and adjacent blocks are going to be vested in the post-settlement governance entity (PSGE) on the proviso that the PSGE is responsible for finalising ownership. The trust deed of the PSGE requires the trust to develop a fair and transparent process, open to all members of Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa to review and determine the final ownership of Stony Creek Station no longer than 4 years after settlement date. If the process is not undertaken, any adult member of the iwi can apply to the High Court to have the conditions enforced. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe second reading brings us one vital step closer to concluding all the work that has been done on this settlement over many years, including by Dr Michael Cullen. It is a process where the Crown, with iwi, has sought to identify what is important to the people of Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa and to reach agreement on redress for historical breaches of the Treaty. I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u00229744d380e98b472ba8500842c6af16f7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229744d380e98b472ba8500842c6af16f7\u0022\u003EPEENI HENARE (Labour\u2014T\u0101maki Makaurau):\u003C/span\u003E Ka t\u016B au ki runga i te take o t\u0113nei pire, Te Pire Whakataunga i ng\u0101 Ker\u0113me a Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa. I te tuatahi, ka tautoko ahau i ng\u0101 mihi ki t\u014D t\u0101tou Kaiwhakarite i te ata nei, n\u0101n\u0101 t\u014D t\u0101tou huihuinga i whakarite kia aro p\u016B ai ng\u0101 take ki roto i te wairua o ng\u0101 t\u016Bpuna, o ng\u0101 m\u0101tua kua riro atu ki Te P\u014D, kia tau tonu mai taua wairua ki roto i t\u0113nei huihuinga o t\u0101tou. Ka tautoko an\u014D hoki i ng\u0101 mihi ki \u014D t\u0101tou mate, ng\u0101 aitu\u0101 maha o te w\u0101 nei, kia kotahi ai te tangi, kia kotahi ai te poroporoaki atu ki a r\u0101tou, haere mai, haere! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI t\u0113nei w\u0101, ka huri atu ahau ki \u014Dku whanaunga n\u014D te w\u0101 k\u0101inga kua haere mai, kua takahia nei i te ara roa mai i tawhiti ki t\u0113nei w\u0101hanga o te motu, n\u014D reira piki mai, nau, kake mai koutou ki roto i te t\u0101tou Whare i te r\u0101 nei. Mauria mai ko ng\u0101 aitu\u0101 kai runga i a koutou, ng\u0101 aitu\u0101 o te k\u0101inga, kia t\u0101pae atu ki te t\u0101huhu o t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare, kia tukuna atu te reo poroporoaki me te tangi atu ki ng\u0101 mate. Koutou e ng\u0101 whanaunga, kua piki te ora, kua piki te wairua o t\u0113nei ki te kite atu i a koutou i te r\u0101 nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, nau, haere mai!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 pea me t\u012Bmata ake taku aronga ki te pire nei m\u0101 \u0113nei kupu, ka k\u012B atu: \u201CKo Waimahana te marae, ko Puhi o Te Waka Te Whare, ko \u014Ck\u014Dkori Te K\u0101inga, ko M\u0101taatua Te Waka, ko H\u012Bona Te Maunga, ko Ng\u0101ti Aukiwa Te Hap\u016B.\u201D Ka p\u0101 taku whakapapa ki roto i ng\u0101 take katoa o t\u0113nei pire, n\u014D reira, e manawanui ana te kite atu i \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 nekehanga kua whakaritea nei e Te Minita me \u014Dna \u0101piha ki roto i t\u0113nei pire. Ko aua whakaritenga, ko te whakahoki mai o \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 w\u0101hi whenua. Kua k\u014Drero mai Te Minita m\u014D te w\u0101hanga ki a Stony Creek, me ng\u0101 poraka whenua o Tamehana, o Karaka kia whakahokia mai ki a t\u0101tou o Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EE k\u014Drero ana te pire nei m\u014D ng\u0101 t\u0101tai whakapapa o Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa, \u0101, anga atu ki te tupuna rongonui, a Kahukuraariki. He \u0101hua \u0101wangawanga t\u0113nei ki te kite atu i t\u0113nei \u0101huatanga ki roto i te pire. Kua roa rawa ahau e mea atu ana, ko ng\u0101 t\u0101tai whakapapa o Te Iwi M\u0101ori, me kaua e whakakohatungia ki roto i ng\u0101 pire p\u0113nei n\u0101, ko te k\u012B atu tetahi, he uri koe n\u014D Kahukuraariki, n\u014D wai atu raini, ka k\u012B atu koe ki t\u0113n\u0101, ka poroa i ng\u0101 t\u0101tai whakapapa o t\u0113tahi atu. Koin\u0101 te pai o te whakapapa, ko \u014Dna hononga katoa ka tuituia i te katoa, kaua ko te k\u012B atu, ko koe me \u014D uri anake! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EMehemea ka kite atu koe i te whakapapa \u014D \u014Dku matua t\u016Bpuna, \u0101, n\u0101, ko ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau o Kahukuraariki, n\u0101, e wh\u0101toro atu ana ki roto i te rahi o Te Tai Tokerau \u0113ngari, m\u0101 te pire nei e whakarite ana, an\u0101, ko ng\u0101 uri a Kahukuraariki anake me \u014Dna p\u0101nga, me \u014Dna hap\u016B katoa. Ko au tetahi o ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Aukiwa \u0113ngari, ka whakaaro ake ahau ki t\u0113r\u0101 taha o te puke kei roto au o mea\u2014Te Wh\u0101nau Pani, koia t\u0113r\u0101, Te Wh\u0101nau Pani! Aroha mai, \u0113, kua roa rawa ng\u0101 k\u014Drero i te ata nei\u2014ki roto i a au o Patunga, ko Te Wh\u0101nau Pani. Mehemea ka kite atu koe i ng\u0101 whakapapa, an\u0101, he t\u0101tai hononga ki ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa o taua w\u0101hi. Koin\u0101 taku e mea atu ana, me kaua e whakaritea nei te whakapapa ki roto i te pire me ng\u0101 ture o te P\u0101keh\u0101, ko reira t\u0101tou ka raru ai! K\u0101ti, ka haere tonu ng\u0101 k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki t\u0113nei pire. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKo \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 kupu ki roto i te pire nei, ko te hiahia o Te K\u0101wanatanga ki te whakarite i t\u0113tahi mahere whanaungatanga ki waenganui i Te Karauna me ng\u0101 uri o Kahukuraariki, me te hiahia kia whakaritea mai i taua mahere, i taua whanaungatanga ki runga i ng\u0101 uara, kua roa rawa t\u0101tou o Te Iwi M\u0101ori e mau nei. Ko aua uara, ko te pono, ko te tika, ko te aroha. Koin\u0101 ng\u0101 manako i roto i a au, i a au e p\u0101nui ana i t\u0113nei pire me te k\u012B, ko te hiahia o Te Karauna, ki te whakarite i t\u0113tahi whakawhanaungatanga hou ki waenganui i Te Karauna me ng\u0101 hap\u016B o te k\u0101inga. \u0100e, pai t\u0113n\u0101 whakaaro, me whakarite i t\u0113tahi mahere ka \u0101hei ng\u0101 r\u014Dp\u016B katoa ki te k\u014Drero, \u0101, ka totohe i ng\u0101 take o te w\u0101 \u0113ngari, ko t\u0101ku e k\u012B nei, me \u016B tonu ki ng\u0101 uara kua k\u014Drerotia e au. Ar\u0101, he aha te tikanga o te mahere whanaungatanga ki waenganui i ng\u0101 r\u014Dp\u016B mehemea, horekau ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga M\u0101ori kei roto. Kua k\u014Drero atu ahau m\u014D te pono, m\u014D te tika, me te aroha. Mehemea ka haere mai Te Karauna ki roto i t\u014Dku marae, an\u0101, ka t\u016B ng\u0101 marae, ng\u0101 M\u0101ori o te k\u0101inga r\u0101 ki runga i aua uara. Ko te hiahia, kia kite atu i t\u0113r\u0101 \u0101huatanga ki roto i Te Karauna. Hoi n\u014D, he whakaaro noa iho! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKa huri atu ahau ki tetahi ture tawhito i whakamanahia e t\u0113nei Whare i roto i te tau 1874. Ko taua pire, ko te Taimaro and Waimahana Grants Act. I whakaritea ki roto i taua pire, ka hoat\u016B te w\u0101hanga o Taim\u0101ro ki ng\u0101 uri e ono. Ka huri atu ki te k\u0101inga o Waimahana, ka whakamanahia ki ng\u0101 uri 10, aua whenua. An\u0101, e whakaaro atu ana ahau ki t\u0113r\u0101 t\u016B \u0101huatanga. I ng\u0101 mahi m\u0101minga a Te Karauna ki te wehewehe i ng\u0101 hap\u016B me ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau n\u014D r\u0101tou te whenua. Kua whakaritea ko te 10 anake ki roto o Waimahana, ko tokoono anake ki roto o Taim\u0101ro. I \u0101ianei n\u0101 kua kite atu, kua \u0101hua raruraru t\u0113n\u0101 whakaritenga. Ko ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau katoa e hiahia ana kia whakahokia atu ki \u014D r\u0101tou ake whenua, n\u0101, ka whai w\u0101hanga r\u0101tou ki roto i aua k\u0101inga. N\u014D reira, pai te kite atu ki roto i t\u0113nei pire. Ka whakatika t\u0113nei pire i t\u0113r\u0101 ture tawhito ar\u0101, ko te Taimaro and Waimahana Grants Act 1874. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKa whakaaro ake ahau m\u014D ng\u0101 mahi o te tari K\u0101wanatanga, ar\u0101 ko Land Information New Zealand. E mea ana ko te 6 eka i t\u0101hae e r\u0101tou i raro i te mana o te Public Works Act. Koin\u0101 te take i tautoko ahau i te pire a Catherine Delahunty inap\u014D r\u0101, te Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill. Ono eka i t\u0101haetia e Te K\u0101wanatanga i raro i te maru o te Public Works Act. Ka noho t\u0101rewa m\u014D te hia roa, m\u014D te w\u0101 tino roa. N\u014D reira, e hiahia ana kia kite atu te hokinga mai o te nuinga o ng\u0101 whenua o Matakaraka ki a m\u0101tou o Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa, he mea pai t\u0113n\u0101, he mea pai t\u0113n\u0101! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EK\u0101ti, i roto i te w\u0101 e toe nei, ka whakakapi ake, ka whakar\u0101popoto ake ahau i t\u014Dku k\u014Drero me te ki atu, e tautoko ana m\u0101tou o Te R\u014Dp\u016B Reipa i t\u0113nei pire. Me te hiahia kia kite atu i ng\u0101 hua kua k\u014Drerohia mai ki roto i t\u0113nei Whare, ar\u0101, ko te oranga o Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa. Kaua e m\u0101harahara, \u0113hara i te mea ka k\u012B atu, he m\u0101m\u0101 noa iho te huarahi ki mua i a m\u0101tou, a Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa, i roto i ng\u0101 marama me ng\u0101 tau kei mua i a t\u0101tou, kahore! \u0112ngari, anei hoki ko te t\u016B\u0101papa, ka \u0101hei a Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa ki te tupu, ki te maranga ki roto i \u014D r\u0101tou ake k\u0101inga, me ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga e p\u0101 ana ki a m\u0101tou. N\u014D reira, huri tua atu ki a koutou e oku m\u0101tua, e te p\u0101p\u0101, e Pita, koutou, e tino hari koa ana ki te kite atu i a koutou, ko te manako i mau mai koutou i ng\u0101 kaimoana o te k\u0101inga, ka waiho atu ki roto i taku tari, \u0101, taihoa ake nei t\u0101tou ka k\u014Drero, k\u0101ti, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E[I rise to speak on the purpose of this bill, the Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa Claims Settlement Bill. First and foremost, I endorse the sentiments expressed by our member representative this morning. He was the one who blessed our gathering so that matters pertaining are focused solely upon the spirit of ancestors and forefathers who have gone to Hades, so that spirit will continue to settle within this gathering of ours. I endorse once again the tributes to our deaths and the many calamities of this moment, so that the grieving and farewelling tributes can be done jointly to them; welcome, depart! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAt this point in time I turn to my relatives from back home who have arrived and traversed the long road from afar to this part of the country; therefore, welcome, climb aboard, ascend into our House today. Bring forth the deaths and the misfortunes that are upon you from back home to be set out beneath the ridge pole of our House so that farewell tributes and grief can be accorded to the deaths. And so, relatives, the wellness and spirit within me rise at the sight of you today, welcome, come hither, come aboard! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EPerhaps I should begin my focus on this bill with these words by saying: \u201CWaimahana is the marae, Puhi o Te Waka is the house, \u014Ck\u014Dkori is the home, M\u0101taatua is the waka, H\u012Bona is the mountain, and Ng\u0101ti Aukiwa is the hap\u016B.\u201D My genealogy relates to all matters about this bill; therefore, I am staunch about some of the provisions the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations and his officials have considered in this bill. Those provisions are about the return of some parcels of land. The Minister has commented on the part relating to Stony Creek and the Tamehana and Karaka blocks of land to be returned to us of Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThis bill speaks about the genealogical connections of Ngatikahu to Whangaroa and focuses on the famous ancestor Kahukuraariki. It is somewhat concerning to see this aspect in the bill. I have been advocating for some time now that M\u0101oridom genealogical connections should not be cast in stone in bills like these, nor to say to someone or whoever that you are a descendent of Kahukuraariki, nor to suggest to someone else that they would be removed from the genealogical ties that belong to someone else. That is the good thing about genealogy: all its connections are hooked up, it does not say that it is just you and your descendants only! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EIf you look at the genealogy of my ancestral forefathers, you will find all the families of Kahukuraariki there stretching out to the whole of Northland, but it is for this bill to determine that it will be only the descendants of Kahukuraariki, its connections, and all its hap\u016B. I am one of the descendants of Ng\u0101ti Aukiwa, but give due consideration to that side of the hill that I am on of thing\u2014of Te Wh\u0101nau Pani; that is it, Te Wh\u0101nau Pani! Apologies, the contributions this morning have gone on for so long\u2014within me of Patunga, of Te Wh\u0101nau Pani. If you were to see the genealogies, then you will find genealogical connections to all the hap\u016B of that place. That is what I have been going on about. Genealogy should never be considered in the bill or in P\u0101keh\u0101 law; that is where we will come undone! Enough, contributions relating to this bill must go on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ESome of the words in this bill express the desire of the Government to set up a relationship plan among the Crown and the descendants of Kahukuraariki, with the expectation that that plan or relationship be founded on the values that we of M\u0101oridom have adhered to for a long time. Those values are honesty, truth, and empathy. Those, then, are the aspirations that are within me as I read this bill and stress that the wish of the Crown is to consider a new relationship among the Crown and the hap\u016B back home. Yes, that is a good idea; consider a plan so that all groups are able to discuss and debate contemporaneous issues. But what I am advocating is that these must adhere to the values that I have mentioned. In other words, there is little point in having a relationship plan among groups if there is no inherent M\u0101ori perspective present in it. I have specifically referred to honesty, truth, and empathy. If the Crown comes within my marae, well then, the marae and M\u0101ori of that place will stand by those values. The hope is that those values are reflected by the Crown. But it is merely a thought! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI turn now to an old piece of legislation that was enacted by this House in the year 1874. That bill was the Taimaro and Waimahana Grants Act. Six Taim\u0101ro descendants were considered and provided for in that bill. In terms of the settlement of Waimahana, 10 descendants were granted legal recognition to that land. And so I think about that kind of situation in regard to the deceitful actions by the Crown in dividing and separating hap\u016B and families who own the land. Only 10 of them were considered in Waimahana, and only six in Taim\u0101ro. Right now that consideration is perceived to be somewhat of a problem. All the families desire to be returned to their lands so that they have a part in that place. So it is good to see that included in this bill. This bill will amend that old legislation, namely the Taimaro and Waimahana Grants Act 1874. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI reflect upon the role of the Government department, namely Land Information New Zealand, saying that 6 acres were stolen by them under the Public Works Act. That is the reason that I supported the bill by Catherine Delahunty last night, the Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of M\u0101ori Land) Amendment Bill. Six acres were stolen by the Government under the auspices of the Public Works Act. It remained suspended for a long and protracted length of time. So I want to see the return of much of the lands of Matakaraka to us of Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa\u2014that is a good thing, a great outcome! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ESo in the time that is left now, I conclude and summarise my contribution by saying that we of the Labour Party support this bill, with the hope that we see the benefits that have been uttered in this House, namely the well-being of Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa. Do not be concerned that I say the journey before us will be an easy one for us of Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa in the months and years ahead of us; it will not! But here indeed is the foundation upon which Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa is able to grow, to rise up within their own homelands with all the aspects relating to us. Therefore, I turn to you collectively, my elders, to you, Uncle Pita, to all of you\u2014I am really pleased to see you all. The hope is that you brought the ocean cuisine with you from home and left it in my office for us to talk about shortly. I leave it at that; my appreciation to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022 data-id=\u00225be12aa2699642438cd08420a7c221d2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225be12aa2699642438cd08420a7c221d2\u0022\u003EMARAMA FOX (Co-Leader\u2014M\u0101ori Party):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. E hika, k\u0101ore au i te paku hiahia ki te whai atu i taku whanaunga, a Peeni, i roto i te whanau Heta, i Te Reo M\u0101ori m\u014D taku h\u0113 me aku hapa i t\u014D t\u0101ua Reo \u0113ngari an\u014D, kai te pirangi au ki te t\u016B ki te mihi atu ki a koutou, \u014D t\u0101tou hononga whakapapa i roto i te whanau Heta, koira t\u0101ku.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EAn\u014D n\u0101 ki t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 pire, kia whakahokia, \u0113tahi aha? P\u016Btea, tikanga, ng\u0101 mea e hiahia ana koutou ki te h\u0101pai, kai te hoki atu ki a koutou, ahakoa te mamae, te uaua. Ki a m\u0101tau, te paku o ng\u0101 rawa ka hoki atu ki a koutou \u0113ngari, kua tae ki t\u0113nei w\u0101, n\u0101 reira, kai te mihi ka tika.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E[So, thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. Heavens above, I do not really want to follow up on my relative Peeni in M\u0101ori in regard to the Heta family, not one bit, because of my faults and shortcomings in our language, but I do want to rise and acknowledge you in regard to our genealogical connections to each other in the Heta family genealogy, that is what I really want to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EI also want to address this bill, to return what to you? Funding and correct procedure, elements that you want support with in regard to the things that are being returned to you, despite the pain and difficulty experienced. From our perspective, the resources that are being returned to you are so minimal, but, that aside, you have reached this point, therefore it is fitting that it is indeed recognised.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EI thought I might just go over exactly what is going on in this bill, for the benefit of those watching it and for our wh\u0101nau. The bill is sponsored by the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, the Hon Chris Finlayson. As we have said this morning, they are getting pretty good at negotiating\u2014they do not like giving away too much anymore. We used to try to get a few things in there, back in the day, and we have got better as negotiators for wh\u0101nau, but the Crown has also got better. So we acknowledge the Minister\u2014hard fought for, some of the settlements, hard fought. The bill gives effect to the deed of settlement that was entered into in December 2015, but the agreement in principle was signed in 2007. The mandate was signed in 2001.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EIt has taken a long time to get to this point, and between 2007 and 2013 the negotiations that stalled were around the Stony Creek Station. We finally got to an outcome where it brings us forward, but it was an issue of contention in the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and we debated it hotly to see whether we could find some other way to get it done. The settlement is made up of a package that includes a historical account, acknowledgments, an apology, cultural redress, and financial and commercial redress. The benefits of the settlement will be made available to all members of Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, ahakoa ka noho ki hea [regardless of where they are living].\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EThe Crown apologises\u2014and sometimes even the apology is hard to hear\u2014and although it is appreciated, it does little to address the issues. But the people are resilient. We have seen it over and over again. We are still here, we are still fighting, and we will push on, apology or not, redress or not, but it does go some way to try to rectify the taumaha that we find ourselves sitting under, or that the wh\u0101nau find themselves sitting under.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003ESo the cultural redress\u2014let us just touch on that for a little minute. The cultural redress provides recognition of the traditional, historical, cultural, and spiritual associations of Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa with places and sites owned by the Crown within their primary area of interest. This allows Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa and the Crown to protect and enhance the conservation values associated with these sites. Sometimes even that is hard to bear\u2014there is a cultural redress, but the Crown still owns it. But at least we are acknowledged in it, in some small way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EThe settlement provides for the vesting of 15 sites, though, back to Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, subject to a few conditions. A statutory acknowledgment recognises an association between Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa and a particular site and enhances Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa\u2019s ability to participate in resource management processes\u2014a step forward. The Crown offers statutory acknowledgments over four sites for which this can happen. The deed of recognition can be provided over sites where acknowledgments have been offered. So a deed of recognition says that Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa will be acknowledged in this place\u2014thanks for that! It is hard, but thanks for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EThere is something called an \u201Coverlay classification\u201D. It provides a very high degree of recognition and acknowledges Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa\u2019s spiritual, cultural, historical, and traditional values in respect of that site, and that has got to be a step forward. Actually there are w\u0101hi tapu across the nation that, you know, are not acknowledged. We talked about some of our Land Wars sites. I was there at the koroneihana when they returned that whenua of Rangiriri, and the kuia said to me: \u201CMarama, you know when it\u2019s M\u0101ori land: the road goes straight through it. When the road is straight, that was M\u0101ori land; when the road is curly, it\u2019s going around somebody\u2019s farm.\u201D So even though it is hard sometimes to understand the recognition of these w\u0101hi tapu, at least now we have it. We can articulate it, and we can start to tell those stories of why these places are important. So those classifications\u2014they use all these flash words, but I am just trying to explain what they mean to us, in significance. We can tell our stories.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003ESo the financial and commercial redress\u2014you know, this is where it starts to bite a little bit. It is $6.2 million in lieu of the Crown\u2019s commitment in the 2007 agreement in principle to maintain the stock at Stony Creek. So $6.2 million\u2014it just seems so insignificant today compared with the generations of loss. And although we appreciate it, we also acknowledge that it is the koha of the people back to the nation that we did not demand more. But to think that since 2001 and the mandate\u2014and that is despite the years of bringing it to that point, with the research, and those members of the wh\u0101nau who have passed away coming to this day\u2014it has been 2001 the mandate, 2007 the deed, and all the way now to 2016. It has been a long time coming, which makes the fact that we cannot be celebrating its end tomorrow somewhat harder to accept. We have heard all the debate this morning\u2014I will not go back into it, although I am tempted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EBut, wh\u0101nau, I recognise that you are here and appreciate all of those who are not here, who have not made it through those 15 years since the signing of the agreement in principle, who have not made it to this point through the stalled negotiations, and who have not made it to this point since they started preparing the claim. I want to recognise them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003EN\u0101 t\u0101tou, te hunga tutuki i \u014D r\u0101tou n\u0101 wawata. M\u0113n\u0101 ka haere \u0101-kanohi ka kite \u0101-karu, \u0101, ka k\u014Drero \u0101-waha, ka rongo \u0101-taringa, \u0101-wairua hoki ki te whakapono o ng\u0101 kupu. Kai te p\u012Brangi au ki te mihi atu ki taku hoa, a Peeni, taku hoa mahi o te Komiti Whiriwhiri Take M\u0101ori, kua tautohetohe, kua w\u0101nangahia ng\u0101 take e p\u0101 ana ki a koutou, kua whakarongo an\u014D hoki. Kua tae ki t\u0113nei w\u0101 kia tutuki ng\u0101 wawata hei ture. K\u0101re i te mutunga; \u0101 wai ake r\u0101, ka whai t\u0113tahi rangi an\u014D hai tutuki \u0101-ture nei \u0113ngari i t\u0113nei r\u0101, ka neke k\u0113tia. N\u0101 reira, kai te mihi ki a koutou, \u014Dku hoa mahi, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora mai t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E[We are the ones who fulfilled their expectations. If one goes physically, one sees and hears firsthand, and spiritually as well, the truth of the words. I want to thank my friend Peeni, a fellow member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee that debated and deliberated and listened, as well, to matters related to you collectively. This point in time has been reached whereby aspirations are fulfilled and enacted. It is not the conclusion; in time a day will come to hand when it is effected, but it will be passed instead today. Therefore, I commend you and my fellow colleagues collectively, my appreciation to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022 data-id=\u002254c3cb22baac448ab2d2f4610a30537c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002254c3cb22baac448ab2d2f4610a30537c\u0022\u003EMETIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader\u2014Green): \u003C/span\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Assistant Speaker. Kia ora koutou katoa huri noa i Te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. I te tuatahi ka mihi au ki a Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Kei aku nui, kei aku rahi i te t\u012B, i te t\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Ka t\u016B au ki te tautoko i t\u0113nei pire. He pire n\u0101 te iwi o Ng\u0101ti Kahu me t\u014Dna whakataunga Tiriti, \u0101, n\u014D reira, he mihi nui ki a koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003E[Acknowledgments to you all throughout the House, welcome. In the first instance, I pay a tribute to Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, accolades to you all. To my great and numerous from near and far, well done. I rise to endorse this bill, which belongs to the people of Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa bill with their Treaty settlement, so a massive compliment to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EThe Green Party will be supporting this bill through all its stages. It is a small settlement in the scheme of settlements, but it has still been hard fought for by those who have been doing the work. Others have a great deal more knowledge than I do about the iwi and the hap\u016B and the wh\u0101nau connections in relation to this bill, but I do want to address the controversy that arose out of this legislation around Stony Creek Station. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EThere has long been in settlement bills\u2014especially in the early days; less so these days\u2014real issues around the recognition of hap\u016B and the Crown criteria for whom it will deal with. The Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations has talked about the mandate of iwi, and I acknowledge that that is the case with the process as it is, but that does not mean that that process delivers justice to all of those who have had their land taken or stolen by the Crown and who are entitled to justice through the settlement process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EThere are a number of settlements that are controversial within the iwi and hap\u016B themselves. The issue for me, as a legislator, is how we make sure that the process that is used to deliver justice through these settlements does not in itself create further injustice and does not risk modern raupatu. That is a question that has been considered often in the debate in this House, but not often enough in the review of the settlement process, which does, at times, create an injustice that cannot be resolved. It is exacerbated by the legal process, but not resolved by the legal process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EI think that that is, in effect, what is happening here. There is genuine controversy around Stony Creek Station. There was an occupation of that land over a long period of time by people who felt that they were having their land taken from them through the settlement. Whatever anyone may think of the individuals involved or the nature of that occupation, occupations by wh\u0101nau, by hap\u016B, and by iwi have been one of the only tools that they have had to demonstrate their connection to that land and their heartache at having that land taken from them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EIt is occupations, actually, that have led to justice being achieved in many of those cases. It was the occupation of Bastion Point that led to the resolution of Bastion Point. The history of occupation has to be taken seriously as a means by which people who have no other legal opportunity, who do not have the financial resources to buy lawyers, or who do not necessarily have access to members of Parliament who will advocate on their behalf\u2014it is often the only tool that they have to assert their mana over the land that they believe was wrongly taken from them and should be returned. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003ESo I am concerned that the issue for Ng\u0101ti Aukiwa is not trivialised in this debate. It is a very real risk that, in the passing of this settlement bill, we are enacting a modern day raupatu. If we are going to pass this bill\u2014and the Green Party members support Treaty settlement bills because we know how hard fought for they are and that there must be some restitution for the losses that iwi M\u0101ori suffer\u2014we need to pass it knowing that. Knowing that means that there will be another day when we have another opportunity to remedy the wrong we may be committing today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003ESo we cannot do this without acknowledging that it is going to come back at some point and somebody is going to have to deal with it\u2014maybe us; maybe those who come after us. In acknowledging that and in recognising that Ng\u0101ti Aukiwa, in this case, and other iwi and hap\u016B in other cases of settlement controversy, have the right to have their injustices and the thefts of their land acknowledged and treated seriously in this House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EIt is very important to us that we continue to review and reflect on the Treaty process itself to make sure that at every possible step it does not exacerbate harm, that it does not cause more raupatu, and that we are not continuing to cause harm to iwi M\u0101ori, to hap\u016B, and to wh\u0101nau. That is why we have always said that the full and final aspect of these settlements is what we write in the law, but we can never have a full and final settlement of the Treaty. The Treaty is an ongoing conversation. It is an ongoing issue, and it will be so for ever, because this is a colonised country. We cannot pretend that is not the case. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EThese settlement bills are one tool that we are using in the process of delivering genuine Te Tiriti justice over time. It is a tool that has its failings. It has its advantages, but it is just one tool in the ongoing process of honouring Te Tiriti o Waitangi. That is why the process for these settlements must be under constant review and reflection to make sure that it is not causing more harm. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EUnfortunately, I do not think that happens. We are actually on a journey with these settlements. There is a process that is under way. That process is rolled out, and there is not actually that much wiggle room. We know that iwi do not really get a chance to reassess, for example, the value of these settlements. We know that the mandating process is pretty much set in place. We know that the large natural groupings approach is pretty much set in place for the moment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003ELet us not forget that all of those criteria for how these settlements occur are not criteria established by M\u0101ori; they are criteria established by the Crown and are rolled out because of the precedent of having done it so many times. That does not make it just. It does not make it the right process; it just makes it the process we are using today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fc8ab326-1806-41d3-8c41-cd58c95dcb45\u0022\u003EI want to genuinely acknowledge those who have worked very hard to get this settlement and to get some resolution for the loss of this iwi. I want to acknowledge all of those who have fought and lost their fight for justice for their losses as well today. Never let us trivialise the fact that sometimes we are causing harm in the process of trying to deliver justice to others. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022 data-id=\u00224360e27c75294657acd4eb8ed3b1b4d8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224360e27c75294657acd4eb8ed3b1b4d8\u0022\u003ENUK KORAKO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Huri noa i Te Whare nei e mihi atu ana ki a koutou katoa. T\u0113nei te mihi ki ng\u0101 rangatira o Kurahaup\u014D waka, ki ng\u0101 rangatira o te iwi o Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, n\u014D reira, nau mai, haere mai ki Te Whare Paremata. Mauria mai \u014D whakaaro ki te kaupapa nunui, n\u014D reira, e mihi atu ki a koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E[I acknowledge you all throughout the House. I acknowledge the esteemed ones of the Kurahaup\u014D canoe and of the tribe of Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, so come forth and welcome to Parliament House. Bring forth your views on this important matter, and so I commend you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EIt is indeed my pleasure, as the chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, to speak on the Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa Claims Settlement Bill at the second reading. I want to be quite specific in what I am going to present here, because it is very much reflective of the work that the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee has done since the first reading, particularly going out to Waitangi to hear submissions from right across the wh\u0101nau, hap\u016B, and iwi of Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, and also to get a very, very good insight into the feelings of Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EAs has been said in this House this morning, I must say that it has not been an easy journey, but there are a number of things, and the first one would be the question around participation in that ratification process of the Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa deed of settlement. We are advised that the level of participation was about 30.9 percent, and when we look at the total number of voting packs that were actually distributed, they accounted for about 2,426, but only 756 votes were received. This participation rate may seem in some ways disappointing, but we do understand that if you look at other Treaty settlements, this is considered a middle range of participation. That is the first point. Although we would all like overall participation to be higher and for more members of the iwi to have been involved, in this process our main concern is that members have had the opportunity, and we saw this. Members did have the opportunity to partake in this consensus, actually. That is the first point. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThe next one is that, to me, there was also a very open and transparent process to ratify the settlement, including widespread advertising of the hui, and voting packs that were widely distributed. That is that second point. But we can only hope, particularly when we look at this ratification process\u2014it is a signal, though, that once this settlement debate is completed in the third reading, there is still a lot of work to be done to actually bring everyone together to work together, to hoe the waka together around that really important value of kotahitanga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThe next part is that during the select committee process we heard about the disagreement over Mangawhero Marae and the settlement boundary. Looking at that, we were satisfied that the boundaries used in the settlement were appropriate and, given the support of most people in both Mangawhero Marae and Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, that the marae is a Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa marae. That was really important, and that is something that we really did listen to, and we are very comfortable with that particular outcome. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EWe also heard about the issues surrounding the ownership of Stony Creek Station\u2014it has been mentioned here before. I just want to mention the fact that it had been demonstrated to us that the station had been illegally occupied by some members of Ng\u0101ti Aukiwa. That has been an ongoing thing since 2007. It was quite disappointing that these members, as a subgroup of Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, had devalued the asset that forms the key feature of the redress in the iwi settlement. We heard that most Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa hap\u016B and marae have associations with Stony Creek Station, and most members of Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa are also members of Ng\u0101ti Aukiwa. We have seen this before in Treaty settlements. The fact is that we did not want to play Solomon. We actually just wanted to get a very, very good overview of this issue. From the outside looking in, we were comfortable with the fact that there is that close association\u2014bloodlines; whanauka\u2014and so that is another part of the work that still needs to be done once this Treaty settlement has been finalised. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThe other part of this is that we were alerted to the concerns that the bill would extinguish other hap\u016B claims and relationships with the Whakaangi mauka and the Whangaroa Harbour. The relationship of Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa to the Whakaangi Scenic Reserve is recognised through an overlay classification. However, this does not preclude other iwi or hap\u016B from establishing a similar customary relationship on this site. So, again, it is actually acknowledging all of those who are involved and have relationships with the site. The other part of this is that we note that this settlement does not include any redress related to Whangaroa Harbour. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThere was also some discussion as to whether the Crown should make acknowledgments to individual hap\u016B\u2014and this was a really important one; particularly the acknowledgement to hap\u016B. However, the Crown\u2019s approach\u2014as we all know, working within the Treaty settlement process\u2014is to settle with large natural groups, which, in this case, means that the acknowledgments and apologies are directed to Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa as an iwi, rather than to any particular hap\u016B. That was our resolution and our understanding. The only amendments we have recommended to this bill, though, are very technical in nature and relate to changes to land descriptions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI look forward to taking this bill further after this second reading. I want to acknowledge those who have come from the Far North here to P\u014Dneke today, and to also just acknowledge your manaaki to me, to our party, and to the Minister when we came to \u014Ctangaroa Marae in December to sign the deed of settlement. I was a witness to that. On that note, it has been a long journey. It will be a little longer\u2014but we have been there\u2014but it will suffice, and the third reading will come and you will have your settlement. As I have mentioned in my speech, this is only really the start of building that kotahitanga amongst your people and to taking that forward so that you are all hoe-ing that waka together.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101, e huri noa Te Whare nei, e ng\u0101 manuhiri tuaraki t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou e mihi atu ki a koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E[Therefore, to you, Mr Assistant Speaker, to those throughout this House, and to visitors from afar, acknowledgments and salutations to you collectively, I commend you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI commend this bill to the House. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u0022cc104f2fdeff44b288114260dbd01305\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cc104f2fdeff44b288114260dbd01305\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa, and greetings to the people from Whangaroa who are back home there now, watching this parliamentary debate and hoping for some justice. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ECan I just say that it was curious for us to learn now that the M\u0101ori Party has members; indeed, the Green Party has members; and the National Party has members with the same reservations that New Zealand First has had for a long, long time. This matter was alive before the 1975 introduction of the Treaty of Waitangi legislation itself. That is a fact, and anyone who was a young lawyer back then would know that. So this is not new. But the point is that what we have got here is a whole lot of members of Parliament who are trying to say that a lot of people have relationships to certain blocks of land. That is not the issue; who has the principal relationship is the judgment that should be made now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ECan I just say that the second reading and the third reading of this legislation should be taking place today and tomorrow, and if people want to know why it is not\u2014can I just put on the record a statement by Tim Macindoe from 4 September. He wrote to the other members of the Business Committee and he asked: \u201CI imagine you are all receiving a large number of requests from your colleagues\u201D\u2014this is dated 12 September\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7584a8ec7bc4e789ee1a8d299e48b33\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right\u2014after the deal was done with your party and others.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226dd416af96fd4265bb8b13c7378c7fa7\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: No, no\u2014I will read it out. I will read it out. Do not shout out. Have a Valium.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ca6e64649ba4edb9d0fe25264d9f6d5\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: This member is betraying the iwi and betraying the House and betraying the whips. He is deplorable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223093d55caa53496692a06562e3b2760d\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: No\u2014exercise some control. I am going to read it out. You cannot stop me\u2014you cannot stop me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba2868ee42ce4da7af453fb356c1800d\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: No honour at all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022268306e5d083437b91ca064857409f42\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: I am reading it out. He said: \u201CI imagine\u201D\u2014well, given his mind, he probably imagines a lot, yes? \u201CI imagine you are all receiving a large number of requests\u201D\u2014[Interruption]\u2014\u201Cfrom your colleagues for leave on Friday\u201D\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fd8069ef726f4cd5be89b7087fca6cbd\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I am sorry to interrupt the member. Interjections are fine, but using words that the member used is unacceptable and we will not have that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295c76357a59249009a9c7af6cbc0ebeb\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. \u201CI imagine you are all receiving a large number of requests from your colleagues for leave on Friday, 23 September, as I have been from mine.\u201D He asked whether or not there could be a reduction in the percentages and a vote on voices only. My colleague, the next day, sent a note that said: \u201CHi all, New Zealand First does not support this request for extra leave applications.\u201D It is all there. He is now caught out\u2014caught out by his own words\u2014and no amount of bombast and shouting from the uneducated teacher from Hamilton is going to override the facts of this document. He has been caught out. The reason why we are not having the third reading tomorrow is that he has given too much leave for his colleagues to be going on an early holiday. It is that simple. All they needed here tomorrow, for the people of Whangaroa, was 13 members\u2014all they needed was 13 members.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022336aa23fc393443ba7f3f27b0088ba70\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: They have now betrayed their members and the House and the iwi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022985819b5fb664a1aa8616c95795af020\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Do not tell me\u2014tell the people you are lying to. Tell the people you are lying to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ffb9dd80df94ac985808ee4d318d058\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! I want this to calm down. The points have been made, and I ask you to just focus on what is in the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd56a3b366884ca0b6f056b2a2fd2f74\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. What I am saying to the whip and to the National Goverment is\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b57c90d4defd4b8187aa723e8e523576\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: This is outrageous.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220454251ab16541758b7bef01d4909415\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Do not shout out here\u2014tell them up there from Whangaroa, face to face, that your document is not true.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225cf5d272e25a4cea881529dcba542d48\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m very happy to stand by my documents.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b2f5cf6ac5048efbd7fc770e35fd2c4\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, no\u2014no, you are not very happy, because you are trying to shout me down. And you are a junior member and will probably be gone very shortly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc1d8045a46e44a9a5e1eaad4b9da0dd\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m telling the truth about your actions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022749ec13c28b84e9f9060368958a7169a\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha! You\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fb7add76768d47ebab9919176e33452b\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: As I just mentioned previously, I want you to calm this down. The points have been well made about the concerns, and I just want you now to focus, in the remaining time, on what is in the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022994887e1f573403e8658bb92819ca52c\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, Mr Assistant Speaker, but what is most important here is that we have got a bill, in its second reading, that could be having a third reading tomorrow except that a whole lot of members of Parliament, including the chair of the committee, have grave reservations, and so does New Zealand First, and I will tell you why.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286055500ff6a4a248750b55dac8c6bb7\u0022\u003EHon Maggie Barry\u003C/span\u003E: Stick to the issues.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213ba7306598e45d88cc67d07a2f14fdd\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, that member would not know a thing about M\u0101oridom or, for that matter, about the Department of Conservation either, which is the reason why in the Trans Tasman Political Alert magazine she was described as a lightweight. Of course, she is going to get rid of, for $25,000, all pests in this country by 2050. If I was her, I would just keep my mouth shut. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EBut here is the point: what members need to understand is that you cannot negotiate justice without the facts, and in respect of what is happening in Whangaroa, what is happening here is that there is no resolution\u2014and it is in the bill itself. It says that this is not a resolution. A long time ago, people like, for example, Dr Cullen and Shane Jones and others were up there\u2014a long time back, in fact, they were reported in the Northern Advocate trying to negotiate a settlement up there, and there were the same problems back then as there are now. New Zealand First says that we will never settle it by passing this legislation and then saying: \u201CWell, you can go to the court in the next 3 years, and if that is not resolved, then you come back here.\u201D That is not a resolution at all. Why do we not put the fire power in, put the investigative capacity in, find out the truth, and pass a bill once and for all so that everybody in Whangaroa can be happy? Who could disagree with that\u2014instead of saying: \u201CLet\u2019s go back to the court in 3 years\u2019 time.\u201D Who is going to pay for that? Who is going to pay for the court case?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b53a9719ee834fc4b095be8027d7f158\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ve all agreed to. This is the member holding it up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4ffe0da85f2462ea5bca2198d4da71a\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: I will tell you what is wrong with this Parliament. There is somebody there who has no understanding of any M\u0101ori issue at all. He does not understand that some of us were young lawyers up there, seeing Nuku Stewart and other people, in Whangaroa, a long time ago. Some of your forefathers\u2014I remember them so well. He does not, but he is so arrogant that he shouts down someone who does know these people\u2014unbelievably arrogant. Why does the member for Hamilton not just keep his mouth shut? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EAs for \u201CMadam Fox\u201D, let me tell you: why is the real leader of the M\u0101ori Party not speaking today?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3d9fd88-4715-419d-be08-e1c4eda7d09e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce82626694464588b6f8f0f149589924\u0022\u003EMarama Fox\u003C/span\u003E: Back the people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d2a8c7f96784439090490a6f5031efb3\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Why is the real leader of the M\u0101ori Party not speaking today? Why is the real leader of the M\u0101ori Party not speaking here today? That is a party, of course, that is going to oblivion. In fact, the Government pays so much attention to them\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b4ee1ecfb38450ea52818022157a0dd\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: This member welched on the deal. That\u2019s the beginning and end of it\u2014this member welched on the deal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229706105e6a4e4fa8899cbd7983bd8bc9\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: I will tell the people of Whangaroa that if they witness what we are watching in the House today, it is every reason why they will know that they must not go with that group there. These two here: one is from Ng\u0101ti Porou; the other one is from the slum lands of England, and he is telling someone steeped in M\u0101oridom in the north for hundreds of years to shut up in Parliament. How arrogant can you be? How arrogant can you be? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ECan I just say this: I have gone back and studied this for a long, long time. This bill is not a resolution\u2014everybody who knows the north knows that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f42dd25d852455295d01c1ff68daf88\u0022\u003ETim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: It was when your party agreed to it. You have completely gone back on your word. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022342aade1470c411a882186d635698b88\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022173c5740503849c983fec2b187e80678\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a39c84e37a24272a84d0958026fb37e\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: I am dealing with the matter. [Interruption] I am on my feet and I will deal with this. I have asked members of the Government side to calm it down. Interjections are fine, but running commentaries and barracking are unacceptable. This is the third time\u2014next time I will deal with this in a more direct manner. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9477896a5c94aeca9a574fac15f5265\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. Can I just say something? I have seen this sort of battering-ram legislation. I saw two iwi, in the case of the T\u016Bhoe settlement, that were recognised by the most esteemed member of Parliament M\u0101oridom has ever had here, by Ngata himself, just being ridden roughshod over. I am not going to see that happen up north\u2014because that is what is happening here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EI do not think that myself or Kelvin Davis or Peeni Henare have the final answer to this, but we know that one is capable of being found. My point is, to run roughshod in this Parliament and override these people, without so much as a by-your-leave, is compounding the very error that this bill claims to be correcting. That is what is wrong with this. That is what is wrong with this, and that is why we are not going to back off and be shouted down. I believe it can be resolved. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EFor our part, New Zealand First will put the intellectual and professional firepower in to find the truth behind this matter. Because it is not possible\u2014and we know, in our M\u0101ori world, this: what is the No. 1 principle of Polynesia or the M\u0101ori world? They who live on the land, who keep the land warm, they who are there should be the first voices on any matter. That is our rule\u2014it has been for centuries. Why now have we got a group of parliamentarians, including some people who know nothing about this issue, telling us that they can correct it? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EIn short, if we cannot fix up this area, area by area, and not go for the clobbering-machine solution, let us give it to iwi, have all the fights internal\u2014and then the Government members will get up in Parliament and say: \u201CBut we gave you all the land. We gave you all the money. Now it\u2019s your problem. Now it\u2019s your problem.\u201D I can see them wiping their hands of it, and then they come in here with their fawned passion and concern. By gee, how I despise that. How many M\u0101ori out there are homeless? Tens of thousands of them. How many are in our prisons? Tens of thousands of them. Do those members have any priority about giving M\u0101ori a fair go in their own country? No, they bring in 70,000 foreigners every year to compete against M\u0101ori, and they stand up here and say they are concerned about M\u0101oridom. No they are not. They are concerned about their own political longevity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EAnd I am telling you\u2014mark my words\u2014we will campaign on this issue all the way to the next election. We find out up there in Whangaroa who knows what they are talking about. I want those members to turn up in Whangaroa and explain themselves, but, of course, if they did, they would be run out of town. They would be run out of town, as a former Minister was when he went up there. So I say: \u201CTread lightly. Listen to what the local people are saying.\u201D Why do we not come with a total resolution and not a half-pie settlement that, even in its own drafting, says that this matter will end up in the courts again. That is not legislation; that is foolery.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022521103da228c419a9f1bc935451dde98\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022521103da228c419a9f1bc935451dde98\u0022\u003EADRIAN RURAWHE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Hau\u0101uru):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, e Te M\u0101ngai, oti noa, e tika ana kia t\u016B ake an\u014D ki te tuku mihi atu ki a Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa n\u014D reira, koutou m\u0101 kua tae mai ki Te Whare, me k\u012B, te ana raiona, t\u0113nei ahau tuku mihi atu ki a koutou, nau mai, haere mai, whakatau mai. E mihi ake au ki ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa o Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, ki a Ng\u0101ti Aukiwa, Te Hoea, Ng\u0101ti Kaitangata, Te Pohotiare, Ng\u0101ti Rangi Matamomoe, Ng\u0101ti Roha me Ng\u0101ti Rua, koutou katoa ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau, ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa, kei te mihi atu ki a koutou katoa, \u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EHe tino honore t\u0113nei kia t\u016B ake ki te tuku i taku k\u014Drero ki t\u0113nei pire. E t\u016B ana ahau i runga i taku whakapapa ki a koutou, ki a Ng\u0101ti Kahu, \u0101, kua tae mai au i t\u0113nei r\u0101 ki te tautoko i t\u0113nei pire. Ka tuku mihi atu ki taku hoa mahi, otir\u0101, ki taku whanaunga a Peeni H\u0113nare m\u014D tana k\u014Drero atu ki a koutou, me tana k\u014Drero ki t\u0113nei pire, n\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[And so I thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker, but at the same time it is fitting that I rise again to accord a welcome to Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, and so to those of you who have arrived in the House\u2014let us say, the lion\u2019s den\u2014I formally welcome you, come forth, draw close, welcome. I acknowledge all the subtribes as well of Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa: Ng\u0101ti Aukiwa, Te Hoea, Ng\u0101ti Kaitangata, Te Pohotiare, Ng\u0101ti Rangi Matamomoe, Ng\u0101ti Roha, Ng\u0101ti Rua; all of you, the families and subtribes, welcome to you all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThis is a real honour to stand up to deliver my contribution to this bill. I stand on my genealogical ties to you, Ng\u0101ti Kahu, and have come here today to support this bill. I acknowledge my fellow colleague and relation Peeni H\u0113nare on his address to you and his contribution to this bill, so welcome to you collectively.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EIt is a great pleasure to speak on this bill. Once again, I acknowledge my connection to Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa. I am a descendent of Kahukuraariki as well, and I want to acknowledge everyone else who has arrived here from the Far North for the second reading of this settlement bill. We have heard a lot of discussion today around the process of settlements, and, as one of the few in this House who has had the honour and pleasure of negotiating a settlement for my iwi of Ng\u0101ti Apa, I know\u2014I said this in my first contribution and I will say it again today\u2014that this process has its flaws. So I want to actually acknowledge some of the k\u014Drero that the Rt Hon Winston Peters has said around the flaws of this process. But I also want to address how that can be addressed in the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EOne of the key things around it is, of course, that settlement iwi\u2014iwi that are in this process\u2014have to ask themselves whether they can live with what this process can deliver and what it cannot deliver. That is an important part of the negotiating process. Quite clearly, we are in a position as a Parliament to acknowledge that they have gone through this process and have signed a deed of settlement, and now we are passing legislation that will enable that deed of settlement, which is a binding contract between the Crown and the iwi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI want to talk about how that will look in the future, because we want these settlements to be enduring\u2014that they stand the test of time\u2014which is one of the key parts of the settlement process. So what are the redress mechanisms actually based on? The process means, and we have all acknowledged it, that the Crown can provide redress but not compensation, so we have to accept that. We have to also look at the basis for each of those settlements, and there are some key things that we should be mindful of when the Crown uses the mechanisms that it uses for the settlement process. It looks at things like the amount of land loss, the nature of that loss, and relativity to previous claims. It looks at any special characteristics particular to that iwi or claimant group. These are the things that we should be mindful of when we are discussing these issues about how these settlements come into being, and that it is a negotiated situation between the claimant group and the Crown. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EAs I have said, this process is not perfect, and it is incumbent upon every participant to ensure that they understand what is at stake. I believe that through the work of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee\u2014and I have read its report very carefully\u2014all of those things have been considered. So I mihi to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ESo where does that take us in the future? I believe that we will not be able to address the issue of relativity until every settlement has been completed, because we do not know the relativity of this settlement to a future settlement. We know the relativity\u2014or we might think we do\u2014of this settlement to all previous settlements, and we, at some stage, will need to ask the question about whether that issue around relativity has been addressed to our satisfaction. So I acknowledge the contribution of Metiria Turei in this discussion, because I think she raises those very issues around how this might fit into the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThis is a developing conversation, I believe, because if we look at previous debates on previous settlement bills, in the early stages when settlement legislation started, they could not possibly have predicted where we might be today\u201420 years later\u2014and 20 years into the future. That is the discussion that we should have in a rational way so that we can preserve these settlements in an enduring way, but acknowledge that, at some stage, our future generations will have another look at it. That will be based around, I believe, the process of how we get to where we are today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI do not want to take up any more of the House\u2019s time. I think that today we should celebrate the really good things that are in these Treaty settlement bills, because they provide the opportunity for our people to enhance our aspirations moving forward for future generations. And so kei te mihi atu an\u014D au ki a Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, n\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[I acknowledge Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa once again, and therefore commend us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u0022486e45bc8d454ff1b9118f621ded34d4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022486e45bc8d454ff1b9118f621ded34d4\u0022\u003EKELVIN DAVIS (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tokerau):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Assistant Speaker. Te tuatahi m\u0101ku, he mihi kau ake ki \u014Dku whanaunga e noho ana kei raro i te tuanui o t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare: nau mai, haere mai ki t\u0113nei t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare, Te Whare o te motu. Aroha mai m\u014D taku t\u014Dmuringa taenga mai i te mea, he hui an\u014D t\u0101ku i roto i te t\u0101one i mua ake nei \u0113ngari, hari koa ana ahau ki te rongo i te mutunga o te k\u014Drero a Peeni, n\u0101n\u0101 i k\u012B mai n\u0101 koutou i mau mai ng\u0101 kai moana kai roto i t\u014Dna tari n\u0101 reira, t\u0113n\u0101 r\u0101 koe m\u014D t\u0113n\u0101 koha ki a m\u0101tou. Kua rongo hoki ahau, ko Peeni e hiahia ana ki te t\u0101karo m\u014D te Piri Morgan, \u0101, n\u0101 reira, e tuku ana m\u0101tou Te R\u014Dp\u016B Reipa i a Peeni hei kai m\u014D ng\u0101 toa o Whangaroa. N\u0101 reira, e ng\u0101 whanaunga, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. The first thing for me is to acknowledge my relatives sitting under the roof of our House: welcome, come hither to this House of ours, the House of the nation. I apologise for my late arrival, as I had another meeting in the city prior to this one, but I am pleased indeed to have caught the end of Peeni\u2019s contribution. He was the one who told me that you brought seafood, which is in his office, so thank you very much for that gift to us. I heard that Peeni wants to play for the Piri Morgan, so we of the Labour Party allow you, Peeni, to be fodder for the champions of Whangaroa. Therefore, thank you to the relations.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI just first apologise for being late to the House, because I did have a meeting in town, but I did catch the end of Peeni\u2019s speech where he said that our relations from Whangaroa brought down the kai moana and it is in his office, and we thank them for their koha. Also, we are offering up Peeni as the sacrificial lamb for the annual Piri Morgan inter-marae rugby competition that is played in Whangaroa every Labour weekend. Despite his advancing years, we are offering him. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe people of Ng\u0101ti Kahu are my whanaunga. We are related through a number of ways, but one of our whakapapa lines\u2014one of the many lines\u2014is through P\u014Dhurihanga of Kurahaup\u014D waka. P\u014Dhurihanga had Muriwhenua\u2014most of the Far North was named after Muriwhenua, who had Tamatea, a well-known explorer in his time, not least of all because the longest M\u0101ori place name in New Zealand is a reference to him. He had Kahungunu, and we spoke about Kahungunu in the House last night. I acknowledge my tuahine here, Meka. Kahungunu had Kahukuranui, who had Kahukuraariki. I am not descended, as far as I am aware\u2014unless my father has got some secrets that he has not let out\u2014from Kahukuraariki but, instead, from the sibling of Kahukuraariki, R\u0101kaihikuroa. So that just goes to show the complexity of our whakapapa and how we are all related. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EP\u014Dhurihanga of Kurahaup\u014D, though\u2014and one of the reasons I brought this up is that we talk about these settlements being full and final and enduring. With the Kermadecs situation, maybe that is on pause. Maybe that is on hold; we are not quite sure. We cannot really stand here with our hands on our hearts and say that these settlements are now full and final and enduring if the situation around the Kermadecs is to continue. The reason I am trying to link it in is that P\u014Dhurihanga\u2019s name, I believe, was just P\u014D, but when he came over on the Kurahaup\u014D waka and it started to leak a bit, he had to turn around and go back to the Kermadecs, and turning around is like huri\u2014Hurihanga. P\u014Dhurihanga parked up the waka on the Kermadec Islands and fixed the waka up before he proceeded on again to New Zealand. I would say that probably happened a number of times with many waka, but it is just an illustration of our links to Rangitahuahua, the Kermadec Islands, but also the significance now that the Kermadec Islands are playing in all our settlements. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThere are real concerns that what was a settlement that was made around the fisheries in 1992 is no longer that permanent, enduring settlement. So we come to the Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa settlement. It will go through the House and all its stages and, no doubt, it will be passed. I hope that 25 years from now there is not another MP standing up and going: \u201COh, sorry, Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa, the Government has changed its mind and the Act as it was passed in 2016 is going to be changed.\u201D I think it is a very important note to make that when we say that these bills are enduring and full and final, that is exactly what they are. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe bill itself relates to Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa\u2019s historical claims, mainly to pre-Treaty land transactions and Crown purchasing. I spoke a bit about that last night, about the Crown\u2019s devious ways of purchasing land\u2014the surplus lands policy. I spoke last night about how James Busby managed to get his hands on a hundred thousand acres around Ruak\u0101k\u0101, which is not in Whangaroa. It was just an illustration of the way that land was taken off our people and they were left, basically, landless. The Crown failed to protect Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa reserves, and took land under the Public Works Act. Again, I acknowledge Catherine Delahunty for her bill, which, sadly, did not pass last night.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThere are about 3,000 people in the Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa tribe. I just want to talk about the ratification process the bill went through. There was concern about whether there was sufficient support. The level of the participation and the ratification was 30.9 percent of those who participated. The process lasted 7 weeks, and of 2,426 voting packs that went out to registered adult members, 750 votes were received. There is concern that that is low, but in the scheme of things, when you look at all the different statistics around all of the settlements that have gone through, the numbers and the percentages of people who voted and participated in the ratification process, this is actually a mid-range level of participation. I guess it is incumbent on people that if they receive a voting pack for their iwi issues, they actually need to engage in the process, and it is really at that stage that people can express one way or the other. There is no point in having a democratic process and then saying that the process did not get the result they wanted if they never actually voted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EWe have heard about the disagreements around whether Mangawhero Marae and \u014Ctangaroa should be included in the settlement boundary. We considered it, but did not consider that the boundary issue at \u014Ctangaroa was an obstacle to negotiations, because the Crown recognises general areas of interest rather than a precise boundary during the settlement process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EJust in the short space of time I have left\u2014we have touched on the ownership of Stony Creek. I do have a concern that the quantum, actually, is all tied up in Stony Creek. I would have liked to think that the people of Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa not only get Stony Creek Station back but also got a dollop of p\u016Btea to go with it. Several submitters argued that Stony Creek should belong to Ng\u0101ti Aukiwa, as a distinct tribal entity from Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa. However, Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa said that most hap\u016B and marae have associations with Stony Creek Station as well as the Thomson and Clarke lots in Taem\u0101r\u014D Marae. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI remember, basically, this bill was my introduction to politics. There was a day in December of 2007; it was the day after the end of the school year. I had resigned as the principal of Kait\u0101ia Intermediate School, and Shane Jones said to me: \u201CHey, you want to get into Parliament? Come out and meet your constituents.\u201D So I went out to Taemaro Bay\u2014a beautiful spot, as is the whole coastline around Whangaroa\u2014and, not knowing what I was walking into, I should have known better than to wear jandals and a T-shirt; I should have worn my flak jacket. That was the day that Michael Cullen turned up in a helicopter and I found myself standing in between some angry Ng\u0101ti Kahu whanaunga and Michael Cullen. I was standing there, linking arms with Shane Jones\u2019 son\u2014thank goodness he was bigger than me, because I would not have been much protection for him, I have to admit. The interesting thing about it was that the guy who was right in my face there, being probably the loudest, is a guy whom I have subsequently worked with on other issues and find him quite a nice chap.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022 data-id=\u0022f87ef297013d454ca8b791c7487f7e87\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022893adc11-ce4e-419c-a079-08f04b3d75f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f87ef297013d454ca8b791c7487f7e87\u0022\u003EThe ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch)\u003C/span\u003E: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member. His time has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022 data-id=\u00226b01da63796a4999a03b20840180644d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226b01da63796a4999a03b20840180644d\u0022\u003EDr SHANE RETI (National\u2014Whangarei):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, e rau rangatira m\u0101 t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, whakatau mai ki t\u0113nei Whare i t\u0113nei r\u0101 m\u014D t\u0113nei mahi hirahira. N\u014D reira, ko t\u0113nei taku mihi atu ki a koutou katoa, kia ora mai t\u0101tou!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E[And so salutations to you collectively, esteemed ones of a hundredfold, pay homage to this House today in regard to this important task. I therefore acknowledge you and indeed us all, greetings!]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EIt is a pleasure to speak to this, the second reading of the Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa Claims Settlement Bill. I would like, firstly, to acknowledge the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, the Hon Christopher Finlayson; the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee; and the chair of the select committee, my colleague and friend Nuk Korako, for their excellent work in getting this bill to this stage. I would like to extend the dialogue that my colleague Nuk Korako introduced when he was making his contribution, around the work of the select committee. The select committee had 18 submissions, and, it is fair to say, a number were opposed on a number of issues. Those issues included hap\u016B ownership versus iwi, and the mandate in overlapping boundaries\u2014issues that we have seen in other Treaty settlements. As my colleague commented, questions were raised around the participation rate, and others have also said the same\u2014that at 30.9 percent, is that a number that is valid? As it has been noted, as we look across other deeds of settlements and other post-settlement governance entities (PSGE), it actually sits in that mid-range.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EI want to drill down a bit, just to give some sense of depth as to how detailed the reach-out to the community was. There were 7 weeks of ratification process. There were four ratification hui. Voting was open for 10 weeks and 5 days. It was advertised in local papers, major national papers, local radios, email lists, and Facebook, and, as has been commented, 2,426 voting packs were sent out. The participation rate of 30.9 percent was across the deeds of settlement and PSGE.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EI think that what also came through and was part of the select committee hearings was the claimant definition, which is jointly established by iwi and the Crown, and that definition was retained from when the mandate was first established 15 years previously\u2014that is, the claimant definition is the descendants of Kahukuraariki, or any other recognised ancestor of the group, defined in Part 8 of the deed of settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003ETo review, Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa went through the tribunal process in the 1990s, and the tribunal found that Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa\u2019s claims were well-founded claims and recommended a settlement negotiation. The Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa Trust Board sought and obtained a mandate from the Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa claimant community.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EWhat a beacon of light this iwi is in Northland. I will make no mileage of the discourse of the past 24 hours in this House. I will make no mileage of the confused major iwi at their boundary. The mileage this iwi wants to make is to move forward, and I say to them: \u201CKeep moving.\u201D Which iwi will be the first to have settlement in the east coast of Northland? It will be Ng\u0101ti Kahu ki Whangaroa. Again, please, I say to ng\u0101 iwi katoa \u201CKeep moving.\u201D, and with our love and support, that is exactly what will happen. N\u014D reira, Mr Assistant Speaker, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora mai t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022c2500339fd854a388a6614333927697b\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Ngatikahu ki Whangaroa Claims Settlement Bill be now read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 107\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 12; M\u0101ori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 12\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First 12.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223ade863b9cd94578b1ffcae183df81de\u0022\u003ERangit\u0101ne o Manawatu Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223b990dcd46204e0db2f265688f309b1c\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u0022289b59df675c4e13a4ffcdc535a3bbef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022289b59df675c4e13a4ffcdc535a3bbef\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Rangit\u0101ne o Manawatu Claims Settlement Bill be now read a second time. The bill gives effect to a deed of settlement between the Crown and Rangit\u0101ne o Manawatu that was signed in November last year, and that settles all the historical Treaty of Waitangi claims relating to Rangit\u0101ne. I remember the signing ceremony very well. It was in front of the beautiful whare of Rangit\u0101ne in Palmerston North, and in front of the whare there is this big pou, and there are two people on it, at the very top. One is the Rt Hon Sir Douglas Graham, who was the Minister in charge of Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, and, believe it or not, staring vacantly into space, is the Rt Hon Winston Peters. I do not know whether he knows he is on that pou. I think it is a very good place for him to be, because, basically, he has been up a pou most of the morning. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe settlement comprises historical redress, which records the breaches and the past injustices caused by failures of the Crown; cultural redress, recognising the traditional, historical, cultural, and spiritual associations of the people of Rangit\u0101ne with a number of their most special sites; and financial and commercial redress, which reasserts the role of Rangit\u0101ne in the region. Rangit\u0101ne and the Crown have worked very well together to develop a settlement package that reconnects Rangit\u0101ne with its environment and that provides a good, strong economic base for the iwi to grow. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ECan I acknowledge the excellent work of the Rangit\u0101ne negotiators, particularly Danielle Harris, who worked so very long and hard on this matter; my ministerial colleagues; and Government and other agencies who have contributed to the bill. As always\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c0ff5ca35890421ebf5e6a19ba2fcf7b\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: And her mother.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b2073a85b0041b5940f33e7a9fec144\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, that is a fair enough point, actually\u2014and Ruth Harris, who passed away some years ago, who started the matter off and did a very good job. I thank the right honourable member for one constructive contribution this morning. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EAs always, I want to thank and acknowledge the work of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, which, once again, has done an excellent job in progressing this bill in a timely manner. The committee began its consideration of the bill only in May and considered nine submissions from interested groups and individuals, and they heard from five submitters at a hearing in Palmerston North. The committee reported the bill back to the House early this month and recommended it be passed with very minor changes\u2014they are of a technical nature, and I am really pleased that that is the case. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ERangit\u0101ne has done a great job. They chose a pragmatic approach to the redress they were seeking, focusing on their core area of interest, and they conducted an open and robust overlapping claims resolution process. The bill, with its very limited number of amendments, is a testament to the hard work of the negotiators. In its report, the committee commended how overlapping claims issues were addressed during negotiations and noted that \u201Cthis settlement seeks to balance the interests of all iwi in the area, with the underpinning rationale that commercial redress is intended to contribute to re-establishing an iwi\u2019s economic base.\u201D This perfectly captures what is intended through each Treaty settlement negotiation. It describes\u2014and indeed it was here, with the discussions that took place\u2014the fine line that has to be walked between addressing the longstanding grievances of one group and giving them the means to move forward, while ensuring that we are not creating further grievances with surrounding groups. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EOne issue raised in the submissions, and it has confronted the Rangit\u0101ne negotiations since the process began, is the inclusion of the Ng\u0101ti Tauira hap\u016B in the Rangit\u0101ne claimant definition, a very difficult issue. The committee accepted that Ng\u0101ti Tauira\u2019s primary affiliation is with Ng\u0101ti Apa, but found that \u201CNg\u0101ti Tauira clearly has whakapapa, social, and political links to both groups.\u201D I believe this settles this matter once and for all. Ultimately, members of this particular hap\u016B have the option to benefit from either or both settlements, as long as they descend from the respective tupuna. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EFinally, some submitters stated that although the settlement does not fully compensate Rangit\u0101ne for the injustices of the past, it provides an opportunity for the iwi to find some peace with the past and a path to the future, and I certainly hope that that is the case. This bill signifies an end point to the long process of negotiation for Rangit\u0101ne, and it is now time to find some measure of peace and look to the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI am going to leave my final thanks to the Rangit\u0101ne negotiating team until the third reading. However, before I end, I want to acknowledge the patience of the negotiators, who must be anxious to reach their settlement of these historical claims after so many, many years in negotiation. I want to assure them\u2014and I am sure that everyone in this House shares this view\u2014that we want to see a just and durable settlement for Rangit\u0101ne o Manawatu as soon as possible. So I look forward to the third reading of the bill and commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00220cfcfeb8c6cc464ca2609bafe70d1978\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220cfcfeb8c6cc464ca2609bafe70d1978\u0022\u003EADRIAN RURAWHE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Hau\u0101uru):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare. E k\u012B ana te k\u014Drero, \u201Ctini whet\u016B ki te rangi\u201D, Rangit\u0101ne ki te whenua, tihei mauri ora! E tika ana ki te tuku mihi atu an\u014D ki Te Iwi Rangit\u0101ne o Manawat\u016B, ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau, ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa o Rangit\u0101ne, n\u014D reira, koutou m\u0101 e whakarongo mai n\u0101, e m\u0101takitaki mai r\u0101, t\u0113nei ahau tuku atu mihi atu ki a koutou katoa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EKei te mihi atu an\u014D ki te \u0101huatanga ki \u014D t\u0101tou tini mate, r\u0101tou katoa kua hinga mai n\u0101 puta noa ng\u0101 moutere nei, tae atu an\u014D ki te haerenga atu, te wehenga atu o te whaea nei a Ruth Harris. E tika ana kia tuku mihi, poroporoaki an\u014D atu ki a koe e te whaea, n\u014D reira, koutou m\u0101, haere, haere, oti atu te w\u0101 ki a koutou, e moe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EKi a t\u0101tou katoa ng\u0101 mema P\u0101remata, t\u0113nei an\u014D au e tuku mihi atu ana ki a t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. The aphorism states, \u201Clike the multitude of stars in the sky\u201D, so is Rangt\u0101ne upon the land, behold the breath of life! It is right that a tribute is accorded once again to the Rangit\u0101ne iwi of Manawat\u016B and to all of its wh\u0101nau and hap\u016B, so to those of you listening in and watching there, I accord this tribute to you all, greetings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the circumstances of our numerous dead, all of those who have fallen there throughout these islands, including the departure and loss also of this auntie Ruth Harris. It is fitting that I accord a farewell tribute also to you, the beloved auntie, therefore, to you collectively, I bid you farewell, travel on, the time for you all is at hand, rest.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ETo all of us, the members of Parliament, I acknowledge us all once again.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EIt is a great pleasure to stand to speak to the Rangit\u0101ne o Manawatu Claims Settlement Bill. I acknowledge the contribution of the Minister, the Hon Chris Finlayson. The name of the whare in Palmerston North is T\u016Bturu P\u016Bmau. The pou that stands there has a number of other figures. I want to mention one. I started off during other contributions talking about ng\u0101 poropititanga, and on that marae we have a tribute to Mere Rikiriki, a very important poropiti, and Tahup\u014Dtiki W\u012Bremu R\u0101tana. I want to acknowledge the contributions that both of them had to the history of Rangit\u0101ne. It is important to mention that. It is, of course, a beautiful marae there, and it was a pleasure for me to also attend the signing of the deed of settlement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI too will acknowledge Danielle Harris and her tenacity, which she, obviously, inherited from her mother, Ruth Harris. I think I mentioned this in the first reading. When I was the chair of Te R\u016Bnanga o Ng\u0101ti Apa, we often sat opposite each other at tables on various matters, and both of them are formidable. I want to acknowledge the work that Danielle has done to get this bill into the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EAlso I acknowledge Maurice Takarangi as well and all of the team behind them who have done such wonderful work. It was not easy for them, and it was not easy for Ng\u0101ti Apa, but I think that through the select committee process, on the key issue that the Minister has raised, they have come to a happy place. Might I say, it might not be what each individual iwi wanted, but from my view of the world, as an uri of Rangitauira, a descendant of Rangitauira, I am very happy to be part of a hap\u016B that has, basically, got two settlements. It is quite a rarity. And if the Crown wants to do that, that is fine with me. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ESo within the settlement, of course, like the other settlements that we have discussed and debated in the House today, this particular one also addresses a sad history around the interaction between the iwi and the Crown, and the Crown\u2019s inability at that time to address all of the issues. So we come today with a determination that this bill will move forward. I acknowledge that people were expecting this to be passed into law tomorrow. It is unfortunate that it is not happening now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2016092198cfb64b45e24bf69549df70e36196ff000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 1 p.m. (Thursday)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"