"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022131246762e66430b8c6a942496e8dd6d\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 12 APRIL 2018\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220eb77c957c2e420898826196cf6aeb55\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 12 APRIL 2018\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bd144fba30a944489b9f849dc93639dd\u0022\u003EVisitors\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002244f72077956040be8d39faa25542eea7\u0022\u003EAutonomous Region of Bougainville, the Cook Islands, Fiji, Kiribati, Nauru, Niue, Tuvalu, Tonga, and Vanuatu\u2014Legislatures\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00223641337e54ce46ba9210e109f58923d3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223641337e54ce46ba9210e109f58923d3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sure that members would wish to welcome members from the legislatures of the Autonomous Region of Bougainville, the Cook Islands, Fiji, Kiribati, Nauru, Niue, Tuvalu, Tonga, and Vanuatu, who are present in the gallery.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002222b5eebe19c946bdaa31a130bef4ee5a\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222dab01e259bd4c8ca29c3fdb73cdb961\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022e7eafd989a924b8d92799ae10e190ba1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e7eafd989a924b8d92799ae10e190ba1\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Today, the House will adjourn until Tuesday, 1 May. On that day, the annual review debate will be concluded and the House will consider other legislation, including the first readings of the Crown Minerals Amendment Bill and the Accident Compensation Bill and the second reading of the Brokering (Weapons and Related Items) Controls Bill. Wednesday, 2 May will be a members\u2019 day. Nicola Willis will make her maiden statement after question time on that day. On Thursday, 3 May, the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Claims Settlement Bill will receive its second reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u002213f09578108c4b76bc94780067abcfbf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002213f09578108c4b76bc94780067abcfbf\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE (National\u2014Ilam):\u003C/span\u003E Can the Leader of the House tell us whether or not the Crown Minerals Amendment Bill will go to a select committee for the usual amount of time so that those affected can make appropriate submissions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u00227bfa7dfe4d144a4d8b4f9dacc9429c77\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227bfa7dfe4d144a4d8b4f9dacc9429c77\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, that is my expectation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f33b4a9816f745a9b2cc122334e91c3b\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227939d4af5ecd40e98530024bff617e62\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e5038e8f7d5f4ce6b023518788abae1c\u0022\u003EBudget Policy Statement\u2014Capital and Operating Allowances\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022 data-id=\u0022d6bd2ac19a1f43f086eac0a9189bb721\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d6bd2ac19a1f43f086eac0a9189bb721\u0022\u003EDr DEBORAH RUSSELL (Labour\u2014New Lynn)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What are the proposed capital and operating allowances in the 2017 Budget Policy Statement, and how do these compare to previous periods?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022fec66747db7947b6930bd1beef7250ab\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fec66747db7947b6930bd1beef7250ab\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E The Budget Policy Statement (BPS) released in December 2017 proposed a new capital allowance of $3.4 billion in 2018, $3.4 billion in 2019, $3.1 billion in 2020, and $2.7 billion in 2021, averaging $3.15 billion each Budget. This compares to an average capital allowance of only $1.43 billion between 2009 and 2017. The BPS proposed operating allowances of $2.6 billion in 2018 and $1.875 billion in each year from 2019 to 2021, the average new operating allowance being $2.1 billion each year. This compares to an average new operating allowance of only $953 million between 2009 and 2017. These larger allowances reflect the important investments that this Government will need to make to return our public services and infrastructure to the quality that New Zealanders expect and deserve.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2dc69efa6a64422bcaca46b36fda724\u0022\u003EDr Deborah Russell\u003C/span\u003E: Are the proposed allowances for the next four Budgets larger than what had previously been set aside for this period, and why is it important that this is the case?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295b413c6836a4a2c87870a4b93a4da94\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: The operating and capital allowances provided for in the Budget Policy Statement by this Government are larger than what the previous Government had proposed to invest. For example, in Budget 2018, we are proposing a capital allowance of $3.4 billion where the previous Government had only proposed $2 billion. The Government can afford to make these investments because we reversed the previous Government\u2019s poorly targeted tax cuts, by adopting a sensible debt reduction track, and by more fairly sharing the benefits of economic growth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247410d7eb55d4ba6b3aef692837e413a\u0022\u003EDr Deborah Russell\u003C/span\u003E: Do the proposed capital and operating allowances allow the Government to meet the Budget responsibility rules?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de9c916e3141428cb4f547d29f79c9c4\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: The Government can deliver the necessary and important investments to deal with the social and infrastructure deficits we have inherited while remaining consistent with the Budget responsibility rules, which ensure we manage the books responsibly. These rules are important because New Zealanders need to know that we are being careful with the country\u2019s finances and that we are prepared for future shocks\u2014external or through natural disasters. The Government\u2019s priorities reflect a better balance between the need to invest in critical public services and to prepare for a sustainable future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226d707770d15941ff895a3674499d1313\u0022\u003EEnergy and Resources\u2014End of Oil and Gas Exploration and Security of Electricity Supply\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u00227b0b88bfaf2b44b18619234d74439d7d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227b0b88bfaf2b44b18619234d74439d7d\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Deputy Leader\u2014National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all of her Government\u2019s policies and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u002224d5ca596ca94861a102afa311030483\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002224d5ca596ca94861a102afa311030483\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS (Minister for Crown/M\u0101ori Relations)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Prime Minister: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b21c7f10cd4431eb52b893355dd99cd\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Will today\u2019s announcement of an end to offshore oil and gas exploration put at risk the 11,000 jobs which depend on that industry; if not, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235141c8c7afd4538acb5b1b2e59aef55\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: No; our Government will invest hundreds of millions of dollars in new infrastructure and clean energy projects in regions that currently rely on fossil fuels, meaning that as we transition away from these fuels, regions that currently rely on them for their economy will see new jobs created.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4465c46eef14914bc75804e6a419642\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Is use of low-emission natural gas for electricity preferable to high-emission coal?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225be1644169bc4a1f946f7cd2b7fd74f2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before the member answers\u2014because I couldn\u2019t identify who it was, I won\u2019t punish the National Party, but I\u2019m going to warn the National members that they must be quiet when supplementary questions are being asked.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022908467696f724a3ca89da12b70378f6a\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, Mr Speaker. Could she repeat the question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cae84aabb1f44dcbb1fc1bc9e5b5a292\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sure.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a8e3dffda7f949ce95a36b7703463ca3\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Is use of low-emission natural gas for electricity preferable to high-emission coal?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8fc79ffcc6a47418b9e5099d64e624f\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: In the short term, yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be5bce591439466a92515fca5f804e28\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does New Zealand still rely on burning coal for security of electricity supply?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a28c2dc152f8426790e091eac777f2cf\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: No. And I can assure the member asking the question that we will have security of supply of energy, because it doesn\u2019t affect current permits and there\u2019s room for future exploration within the current permits.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5b0ea96901b4c79b0f87ddddb39acce\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, that\u2019s a lie.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ae74f02b65fa41a29cf68825742c1643\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Ms Collins, did you just make an unparliamentary remark?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b54d63e4c5764ae1a2f5ef91bbbabf5e\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, I did. I withdraw and apologise, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b2f73cda92a24848b0dd1f9980ae1065\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, that\u2019s a very serious warning. That\u2019s the sort of comment that is just not acceptable here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee60c7352e43410b866baa0fbe0ed2c8\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: So in light of the Prime Minister\u2019s answer that coal is not used, was the coal-fired power station at Huntly turned on this week due to gas having to be shut down on Tuesday of this week?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb1ac819a84c466b8b31498720ac3f50\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: The concept of security of supply is not, in fact, in jeopardy, because we have security of supply for a number of years and these permits allow us to explore into the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223039c70199174aefb26a863c3af227ad\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I accept that the Prime Minister might not know the answer, and that\u2019s what the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d7f11ef4160e479bb4c7dafa2695e21c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022224f5f8dcf9541ccba407bf7f5fb2b6f\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: No. I\u2019m not being rude, sir.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c085c37e4de343669fa6cd0976ebde74\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. If the member has a point of order, she will raise it. She will not attempt to make political points as she does it, or she will not be allowed to continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225021713c84294972bc125ba02b6f9998\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I was not making a political point. What I meant was\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225daeaede1aa64e1483b9deb802c71e2c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will resume her seat. She did attempt to make a political point. I have ruled that that is the case. She has argued with me. She is now on a final warning.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d645c05a8d9946e5ae7cdbadd7448608\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. My question was quite specific and, as a consequence of that, I accept it can be difficult to give an answer if you don\u2019t know and when my primary was quite broad, but there was no attempt whatsoever to answer my question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba726c7fa388475d9a6fc4e8090f73e2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: When I stand up, the member resumes her seat. Do you have a further supplementary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229930fbb99b1d4f7380716a0acd54443b\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Well, my point of order is\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1beecc3e10741168aa6901077c803a6\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no. Does the member have a further supplementary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220e1400e9804546c88a81188624daa4be\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f24fc0ba99d0434992dcb11815531c94\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, get on with it if you want to continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aac91993f0da4219ae8ffa06672fe618\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Was the coal-fired power station at Huntly turned on this week because gas was unable to be produced enough to actually do the 300,000 households and businesses that need it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002260717a2c08994368a184afcd2f3c53af\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: My understanding is that Huntly is still being used but there is security of energy supply into the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022df9ac070dc804fbb84eb18a7d37ef5d8\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Will New Zealand need to burn high-emission dirty coal more regularly or begin importing expensive foreign gas because New Zealand\u2019s natural gas sector was today issued a death sentence by that Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2ed3959069e40e7afb9f0029aba5278\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227874fceb214344e198fb93937413e8c3\u0022\u003ESenior Citizens\u2014Positive Ageing Strategy\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022 data-id=\u00228b85d133f0be41de91bafdcc8d0cd46a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228b85d133f0be41de91bafdcc8d0cd46a\u0022\u003EDARROCH BALL (NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Seniors: What announcements has she made recently regarding a new Positive Ageing Strategy for New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u0022fee4baff58914e4dbf01f71ee2e7b7db\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fee4baff58914e4dbf01f71ee2e7b7db\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister for Seniors):\u003C/span\u003E Last Friday, I attended the annual Positive Ageing Expo in Nelson to announce this Government\u2019s commitment to a new positive ageing strategy. Currently, there are around 750,000 people aged over 65. In 18 years, there will be 1.2 million\u2014a quarter of our population. While it\u2019s great news that more of us are living longer, healthier lives than ever before, it also means that there are challenges and changes to services and community that we have to consider and plan for as a nation. New Zealand needs to have a strategy and plan to help our older people live well. It needs to fit who we are, how we live now, which is closely connected to where we live, and what is likely to happen to ensure we\u2019re in a good position to deal with the predicted demographic shifts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230907f9fa6de4e33862cd2207c7cc69a\u0022\u003EDarroch Ball\u003C/span\u003E: What are the particular areas of focus for the revised strategy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298c297f44c7e4ce78e5f4d0dd01dcfe2\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: That will be determined by our public consultation, but there are three obvious areas we need to look at. One is supporting seniors in the workforce and how business can better recruit, retain, and possibly re-train older citizens. We certainly don\u2019t want people over 65 to be forced to work, but many of them want to and a growing number need to due to personal circumstances. Secondly, we need to ensure appropriate housing options, and, thirdly, I think we need to talk about what is the means to keep connections through our lives to stop people being isolated or lonely as they age.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268b4f9868dbf45f59fc8f2d98f91a953\u0022\u003EDarroch Ball\u003C/span\u003E: How will the strategy be developed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298e80322e38141ccaa9f5917471e886c\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: In the first instance, by talking directly to New Zealanders to see what they want and what they expect from their Government, councils, and communities to have a positive and fulfilling life in their senior years. We also need to reach out to the next generation of seniors\u2014those currently in their 40s and 50s right now\u2014because we want this to endure. Getting this strategy is right. This strategy was originally put in place in 2001 and expired in 2010. Therefore, for the last eight years, the country has been running blind, knowing that we are running into an ageing population, where they will outnumber 15-year-olds by the time we get to 2036.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f67fd4923e8740fab0bbd8cb59ef9979\u0022\u003EKiwiBuild\u2014Dwelling Size and Minister\u2019s Discussions with Banks\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u002279ccda1a2124455fa36b9c08d314160d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002279ccda1a2124455fa36b9c08d314160d\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (National\u2014Papakura)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: Does he stand by all his statements in the House and to the media?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022c8f7049dc6244b32adde36684a8c54f3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c8f7049dc6244b32adde36684a8c54f3\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Housing and Urban Development):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, in the context they were given and where they have been accurately reported.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f366db4d7dcd4f61a0e9537807eb3d9a\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: When he told Parliament last week, in relation to the size of the KiwiBuild dwellings at Unitec, \u201CWell, I would note that the Unitary Plan, approved by Auckland Council in mid-2016, set minimum floor sizes of 30 square metres for studio dwellings and 45 square metres for one or more bedroom dwellings.\u201D, was he just \u201Cmaking fun\u201D, as he told media afterwards?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d7542dac5cc4ebdbc4adb93b44906b7\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I was quoting the former Minister of Finance, the Hon Bill English. I was not saying what we would do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222aa698c26d17430ca4581768795d4036\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: If, as he told media last week, he was just \u201Cmaking fun\u201D, why did he also tell media that he was in discussion with banks around changing lending criteria for dwellings of that size?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b503acba0c96499181a5950605d91be1\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I told media that I was in discussions with banks about lending for prefabricated housing and for multi-dwelling apartments because I am.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c199cb602ec7401a8f0f6db55e0e7f33\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Which banks has he been talking to around changing the lending criteria to suit his KiwiBuild programme?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9323069ca41497886724f55d6c04519\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: If the member wants to put down a written question to me about which meetings I\u2019m having, when, and with whom, I\u2019ll consider answering them then.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac8fcf55f3fb457ebd256c9c53b7063a\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: When he told Parliament last week that the KiwiBuild dwellings at Unitec could be 30 square metres, did he realise that that is smaller than the standard double-sized garage, which is 36 square metres?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c1726da8f4584814bb2d16a34a573003\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I wasn\u2019t saying that would be the size of KiwiBuild dwellings. I was quoting the former Deputy Prime Minister under the National Government, because he was advocating apartments of that size. I wasn\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022755c430209ec4e8596a48c61d398a5df\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: If he was just \u201Cmaking fun\u201D to an answer to a serious question in Parliament, then was he making fun when he promised to build 16,000 houses in three years, and he hasn\u2019t built one yet?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fd9d9aefcf184c17ad55f3d43a65ada9\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: No. I was deadly serious, unlike the former Government, who did nothing to build affordable houses in nine years and allowed a housing crisis to spin out of control, and they think it\u2019s a joke.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022aaf814e24f04480292d85b8d79d811ed\u0022\u003ETransport Infrastructure\u2014Funding Figures\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022 data-id=\u0022fa28ba8657e14298b502aa39be1642bd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fa28ba8657e14298b502aa39be1642bd\u0022\u003EJAMI-LEE ROSS (National\u2014Botany)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Transport: How much is funding increasing by, in dollar terms, for the Local Road Maintenance activity class for the first three years of the draft Government Policy Statement on Land Transport; and when added to his answers yesterday for Local Road Improvements and Regional Improvements funding increases of $310 million and $260 million respectively, what is the total combined increase, in dollar terms, for these three activity classes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022577a915a806a4f548818ba4cf63bd838\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022577a915a806a4f548818ba4cf63bd838\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Transport):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Taking the average of the first three years of the last Government\u2019s Government policy statement on land transport issued in 2015 and the average of the first three years of the draft Government policy statement issued last week, local road improvements increased by $310 million and regional improvements funding increases by $260 million. The total for the three activity classes the member mentions is $890 million. I should note for the member that the $1.2 billion he cited yesterday includes the nearly 20 percent increase in State highway maintenance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e845b9b519244faabb207fcc27e41984\u0022\u003EJami-Lee Ross\u003C/span\u003E: Was the Prime Minister correct when she said in question time on Tuesday that over the three-year period \u201Cregional and local road improvements [increased by] $1.2 billion\u201D, which yesterday he confirmed included three activity classes\u2014those being local road maintenance, local road improvements, and regional improvements\u2014which he says today adds up to $890 million?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221529408dfc28427c83bc7e6cb2abeb56\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: The reason the Prime Minister made that statement was to point out that, despite Opposition scaremongering, there are increases in other categories of road funding in the first three years that outweigh the reduction in State highway improvements in the first three years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e2b4372d54a4a78bf23cd92b6c4b999\u0022\u003EJami-Lee Ross\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I asked if the Prime Minister was correct\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b528abdc04db4e0f94a5b2b52d897d44\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And I couldn\u2019t hear all of the answer, whether it was correct or not, because Paula Bennett was interjecting. So I\u2019m not going to make him do it again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa4f9946286d44edb5fc4b39c21e2b92\u0022\u003EJami-Lee Ross\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. You couldn\u2019t hear the answer. I couldn\u2019t hear the answer. If I\u2019m asking\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022408c12d3ec74420c97ab45e32aec3dbe\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, if you can\u2019t hear the answer because your colleague is interjecting, I\u2019m not going to protect you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225d9935a2056c4d1fb60b307aef29b48c\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I can be helpful. The member said that the Prime Minister made a $300 million mistake.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226cc2dd25be3943cdbd2c1f93d5963c71\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m going to give the member one opportunity to withdraw that comment and apologise for its inaccuracy, or I will punish the Opposition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022468ba78e10ae40df84a140ac69b515a2\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022151d4bfdcc824809b94c257f5b8656dc\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And I do want to warn members, if they make statements like that on points of order in the future, there is a very real chance that they\u2019ll face the Privileges Committee, because the member knew it was not true when he made it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226ec0de6854eb43789430b658da5d22ac\u0022\u003EJami-Lee Ross\u003C/span\u003E: Why did he tell the House yesterday that the Prime Minister\u2019s figure of $1.2 billion was made up of the three categories asked in my primary question, and then today he tells the House that the Prime Minister\u2019s $1.2 billion includes an additional category he didn\u2019t tell us about yesterday? Why the inconsistency?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fba39ccf0e4741469c326708c0d08b6a\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: The statement I made to the House wasn\u2019t exclusive of the fact that it includes State highway maintenance. I said that it includes local roads, local road maintenance, and regional roads. But I would point out to the member\u2014[Interruption] Actually, I\u2019ll leave it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac35a4e027df4daa8d0ce6674610c5ab\u0022\u003EJami-Lee Ross\u003C/span\u003E: Why does he keep changing the way in which he justifies the Prime Minister\u2019s $1.2 billion figure, which I\u2019ve proven is inaccurate, to cover up what is a mistake that his Prime Minister has made?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002255577f2bf28d49c9b7d57aef6ac818d9\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I reject the premise of the member\u2019s question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ad7a67211304cdb8a49a2835056f560\u0022\u003EJami-Lee Ross\u003C/span\u003E: Why do we keep getting inconsistent answers from this Government on matters of transport, where the Prime Minister says one figure, he justifies it one way yesterday, justifies it a different way today\u2014the same inconsistency we saw when it came to the building of the \u014Ctaki Expressway?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e76a97a99cf84f978cea8afb3b4fe140\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I suggest that the member focuses on asking clear, intelligible questions that can be validly answered, unlike the last two questions he\u2019s asked in the last two days.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c383ac12f1694e4ab3b026109d384f3b\u0022\u003EJami-Lee Ross\u003C/span\u003E: Is $890 million the same as $1.2 billion, or is there a $310 million gap between him and his Prime Minister?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258d78623df414dbc8b7472b150ecd2f3\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: When you add State highway maintenance to local roads improvements, local road maintenance, and regional road improvements, you get $1.2 billion. For the member\u2019s benefit, State highways, like local roads, are often in the regions. The Prime Minister\u2019s comments refer to the total increase in funding available to be spent in the regions, not the total increase of the narrow activity classes that the member is pretending.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226b34eea052474602b2c93da6ff4a0ad2\u0022\u003EOil and Gas Industry\u2014Block Offer 2018, Huntly Power Station, and Offshore Petroleum Exploration Permits\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022 data-id=\u00221e085a9d14b74afeb4ce982cdfc9e8a7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221e085a9d14b74afeb4ce982cdfc9e8a7\u0022\u003ETAMATI COFFEY (Labour\u2014Waiariki)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Energy and Resources: What announcement has she made about Block Offer 2018?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u002212ad7a4e953f42a795203e6d3aec653b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002212ad7a4e953f42a795203e6d3aec653b\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Energy and Resources):\u003C/span\u003E Today, I announced the next step in the block offer process, which is the mechanism for allocating new oil and gas exploration permits. This announcement signals the start of consultation with iwi and hap\u016B and the local community on the proposed Block Offer 2018 released area for onshore petroleum exploration permits. The proposed released area is restricted to the onshore Taranaki Basin and covers a 1,703 square kilometre area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223bf48c6c414e4befa28790acafe77396\u0022\u003ETamati Coffey\u003C/span\u003E: What other announcements has the Government made today?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a43de714bc724cd8aff4c6489f31acce\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed4810c1d18543cabee51d7deba2b26d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That question is not related enough. That\u2019s one use of a supplementary; have another go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230ce7fc216464a8085a4ec8c5f0b1eba\u0022\u003ETamati Coffey\u003C/span\u003E: What other announcement has the Minister made about her portfolio today?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c3be88fd17f74d469c6df728030ded05\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: I have announced only the 2018 Block Offer, but I have been supporting the Prime Minister in a further energy-related announcement that she has been making today, where she announced that no new offshore petroleum exploration permits would be granted. This is a significant\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e8c173ed70b4a89b35e141dfa47f67f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s enough, thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e9098801cc7e4a23b319250ba584677f\u0022\u003ETamati Coffey\u003C/span\u003E: What commitment has the Government made to existing permit holders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b0d2403a028f452b859d506e93e04886\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: We have committed to protecting existing exploration and mining rights and the ability for discoveries to be developed. Let me be very clear: we are not preventing any existing permit holders from undertaking the exploration that their permits entitle them to. One of the main priorities is protecting the livelihoods of those who work in our extractive industries. I want to acknowledge New Zealand First on this and also acknowledge that this is a Government made up of three parties with different views who have all come together to make the responsible decision for New Zealand\u2019s long-term future. I look forward to the National Party joining us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226baf34993e1c416988f374309620b751\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister, on a scale of one to 10, one being zen-like calm and 10 being furious rage, tell us how she reacted to learning this week that a shortage of gas supply meant that the Huntly coal-fired station had to be turned on?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb805bddbd084cd6aad3dca245d5717b\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: The reason why the Huntly station needed to be turned on was because of an extreme weather event that stopped the gas going through. It was not because of a shortage of supply. If that member thinks that there is a shortage of supply, he should look to his time as the Minister of Energy and Resources.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220afe534c8a3e4bd0b275c321bce1c10f\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Alongside amendments that she may place on the Crown Minerals Amendment Bill that\u2019s coming before the House when the House returns in two weeks\u2019 time, will she have a clause to prevent extreme weather getting in the road of energy supply?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243c51112f72e4503ac5f19a2b07b9edc\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: No, that\u2019s called a climate action plan. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277f793fb2b7f45fca22d61580ac1f02e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Just to remind people it might be very close to the school holidays, but they haven\u2019t started yet\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220163bde3790d4d729565174058640c73\u0022\u003EHon Ron Mark\u003C/span\u003E: Ooh!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002265343c039b874d6db158f0e81d9254ee\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Question No. 7, the Hon Paul Goldsmith. That includes you, Mr Mark.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220ec9672b4b5146ed830a74f6555a2c73\u0022\u003ERegional Economic Development\u2014Offshore Petroleum Exploration Permits and Provincial Growth Fund\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u00229f89d6e994fe4e6b961c259ccddca833\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229f89d6e994fe4e6b961c259ccddca833\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Regional Economic Development: How are the Government\u2019s policies advancing economic development in the regions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u0022e06b1d85aa124327acec047ba2933b1c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e06b1d85aa124327acec047ba2933b1c\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Minister for Regional Economic Development):\u003C/span\u003E The advancement of the Government\u2019s policies in terms of economic development in the regions is best described as a pragmatic, far-sighted approach.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5818df3c7744712b38e59cf8adb6191\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: What does he say to the Mayor of New Plymouth, who said that his Government\u2019s decision to end oil and gas exploration is a \u201Ckick in the guts for the region\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e988d9288bdf4690ab04090e8777e0da\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: The gentleman in question met with me last week, and I fear that he\u2019s not in full possession of the facts. The reality, as he will soon learn, is that not a single right currently enjoyed by that sector will be changed, weakened, or summarily dismissed, and when he is in full possession of the facts, I think that he will change his tune.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226082d86ca7524a3e9e0574c0c34b9c32\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he think that offering $150,000 for exploration of clean energy options in the Taranaki makes up for the premature extinction of a multibillion-dollar industry that sustains thousands of jobs in that region?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209a8c61433664918813b0357e6a99abb\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: The member is quite correct. There are a huge number of jobs in the Taranaki region through black gold and white gold, and the allocation of funding which the member refers to is but the small first step. It was greeted with acclamation because many of the industry of Taranaki realise that there\u2019s great disruptiveness facing them and they want to work with the Government to open up new opportunities for engineering and energy solutions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222864c9652afd4c4b9d1341c03cf3ba48\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Was he consulted on stopping oil and gas exploration, and in what way did he champion the region?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b69ab11022d8434580ab400f79439340\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much for that question. The actual outcome that the Prime Minister announced today was to reassure the current stakeholders in the industry and the owners of the rights granted under statute to them that they remain unchanged. But the Prime Minister also has reflected, on which I was consulted about, a set of far distant changes\u2014but because of the transition we have to go through as a consequence of the last regime committing us to international obligations we can\u2019t walk away from.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2de46a-9047-4bfe-92c8-5f14fd415dfb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d3a2f8527e04b9ca76c61fb2c1ed94b\u0022\u003EAndrew Falloon\u003C/span\u003E: Will his billion-dollar provincial growth fund create 3,100 jobs in South Canterbury and North Otago and $32 billion in royalties and taxes which would have been created by the Barque gas development?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cdc10c3d1fb94bd9ade4ff15e23c228d\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m presuming that the member is referring to the rights that already exist in law off the coast of Te Wai Pounamu. None of those rights are changed as a consequence of today\u2019s announcement. The owners of those rights have an opportunity under the law to fully exploit them. They must strike a balance between raising the capital, actually finding the geological resource\u2014and stop listening to scaremongering, irrelevant backbench MPs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d71fa413755b412388fcf8824a15bc0d\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister tell the House what was running through his mind when this picture was taken?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022204f40283f0f4e2e99344f1f64dc93b2\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t think I should be judged as a consequence of that photo, but I have, from time to time, been known to use such facial expressions when looking across the House. I think it\u2019s fair to say that I\u2019m known as an expressive politician, and in that particular case I obviously need a facial massage. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228e45335f976349068e9548a9dba4979f\u0022\u003EClimate Change\u2014Coal-fired Industries, Greenhouse Gas Emissions, and Petroleum Exploration Permits\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022 data-id=\u0022ef4176c796984f01adcb35f887b8b8a3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ef4176c796984f01adcb35f887b8b8a3\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER (National\u2014Bay of Plenty)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Climate Change: What impact will stopping offshore oil and gas exploration have on New Zealand\u2019s emissions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022 data-id=\u0022420e2c54c8f94c0fa8c30c5ee11906ae\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022420e2c54c8f94c0fa8c30c5ee11906ae\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW (Minister for Climate Change):\u003C/span\u003E Discontinuing new offshore oil and gas exploration will prevent any new emissions from that drilling, above and beyond the emissions that are already occurring from existing oil and gas extraction, which is projected to continue for most of the next three decades. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce0aa2db24994436a86719490a260a3a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before Mr Muller takes a supplementary, I\u2019m going to ask his colleague who is sitting next to him and who continued to interject to stop. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d37a84a641ad4174b88eaf808135c578\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister acknowledge that natural gas has a huge part to play in global energy supply; if so, why should New Zealand turn our back on assisting the globe in reducing their emissions, and the economic opportunity that offers us domestically?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264bd10af498c46209b01db5a4541f372\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: The premise of that question is that New Zealand can start exporting significant amounts of gas to countries that are moving from coal to renewables. Actually, the balance of evidence is that they are passing directly from coal to renewables without passing through gas first. Many of the numbers that I\u2019ve seen that have been chucked around this morning have been somewhat over-optimistic given that every country in the world, bar one, is signed up to the Paris Agreement to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and to get to net zero emissions by the year 2050. The existing operations in New Zealand are due to continue for the next three decades. That takes us out to about the year 2050, which is about the point that most of the rest of the world will have made the switch towards renewable energy. If we want to make money from exporting energy, we would be much better to invest that money in renewable energy than in gas. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8fd3520a42f4f2f9aed79e85b43c60b\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: So does the Minister disagree, then, with the international panel on climate change, who in their last report stated that the use of natural gas would increase prior to 2050 due to its use as a bridging fuel in reducing greenhouse gas emissions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022238c8fd38a084cc49b9b2d102706117f\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: Not in New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229aa3012832404d4eb238fd4e715c1380\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: How many tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions per annum can be avoided if use of coal for industrial heat is substituted by natural gases?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022313cf63c10364af28a78b2cf08183045\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: As I said in my answer to the primary question, New Zealand\u2019s existing operations will continue for much of the next three decades. If we stop exploring today, what that means is we won\u2019t be adding any new emissions to that which is already projected to occur over the course of those decades. So this is about not adding to the problem.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f56c4c3851af4d4ebd9de702209ca17e\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: Given the Paris Agreement aims to strengthen the global response to climate change in a manner that does not threaten food production, how does the Minister see nine billion people being fed without nitrogen fertiliser, which is produced by using natural gas?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022795f8ff27be44329bcc40a724a3c7827\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: Nitrogen oxide is actually one of the worst greenhouse gas emissions out there. It\u2019s many, many more times damaging in terms of climate change than methane or even than carbon dioxide. So what we need to do is move to sustainable forms of agriculture as well where our emissions from nitrous oxide are netted out. [Interruption] And if his colleagues don\u2019t want to hear the answer, I won\u2019t continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7ed721d43e545fc874a454e73ec673c\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister have confidence that our large coal-fired industries will invest in gas when there is no future offshore oil and gas exploration available; and, if so, on what basis?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022501442bcf66c4fe2a88a95086c57e3a8\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: I think that the member is referring primarily to Fonterra and other large users of coal in their drying operations to turn milk into milk powder and then export it over to places like China and so on, where the water is added back in. Actually, there are others ways of providing that industrial heat, and I know that Fonterra are actually working very hard on alternatives to coal. I know that they\u2019ve been exploring gas, but they\u2019re also exploring electrification, woodchip, and other ways of providing that energy. We aim to assist with that transition. Fonterra itself actually has committed to becoming net zero carbon dioxide by the year 2050 and committing to building no new coal-fired stations after the year 2030. My response to that is, \u201CThat\u2019s a good start. How can we help to bring that forward and make it more ambitious?\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228806ab8077484f32bb2a25c67e7a9ad5\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: So why does the Minister have such confidence in alternative energy solutions such as woodchip biomass when if Fonterra\u2019s South Island dryers got transformed for that energy source, it would need a forest the size of Belgium to run them? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002280522d7a6bff46ff9653fc233d0ef444\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: I didn\u2019t say that Fonterra were switching over to woodchip. I said that that was one of the options that they are exploring. They are exploring others as well. Obviously, electrification would be the best, and that can be run off renewable forms of electricity generation. This Government is committed to 100 percent renewable electricity generation by the year 2035, which should provide all the power that Fonterra needs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022154ecd0b4f63442faebe06932f8317f8\u0022\u003EPrisons\u2014Prison Population\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022 data-id=\u002217d8ea29512c449f946aba398e8bfdae\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002217d8ea29512c449f946aba398e8bfdae\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENNETT (National\u2014Hamilton East)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Corrections: When he said \u201CSo we are looking at a range of options to reduce the prison population by 30 percent over 15 years\u201D, what options is he considering?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u002285a4e963986f4e77a19122401d413421\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002285a4e963986f4e77a19122401d413421\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS (Minister of Corrections):\u003C/span\u003E All of them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac9e30b6659749fb859e48d8ed3e2f04\u0022\u003EHon David Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: If he is considering reducing the prison population, has the Minister suspended any plans for the new build or extensions at Waikeria Prison, given that a decision was due by the middle of April, as reported by Andrew Little? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6b132f3d8414864b30759efec5df619\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: This is a decision that\u2019s a very serious decision and one that we don\u2019t take lightly, but we won\u2019t be rushed into making that decision, despite the time frame we\u2019d been given before, because we are looking at all the options. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002224e3fb6b240843e79bc6b874b5a72f52\u0022\u003EHon David Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: If he is considering reducing the prison population, would the Minister consider having discussions with the Minister of Police on elevating police criminal prosecution thresholds? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222fdc55acdc9d4dbd8e400c80f8fdc97a\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ll look at all options, but that\u2019s not to say that we\u2019ll implement all options. So if that\u2019s an option, yeah, we\u2019ll look at it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d146c66bca1490da0b13992e3e320a4\u0022\u003EHon David Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister had discussions with the Minister of Justice around changing bail laws for violent and serious offenders to reduce the prison population? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223919217584004c89ae30f1623774854f\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: Again, we are looking at all the options. That\u2019s not to say that we\u2019ll implement all of the options, but we\u2019ll discuss them, and the bail laws is one that we have discussed, we have looked at. That\u2019s not to say that we\u2019ll make any changes, but it would be remiss of us not to explore all these options fully. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002256909f66d4144efc963a95c0ea9a598f\u0022\u003EHealth Services\u2014Buildings\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022 data-id=\u0022098949b8853c446e806a04cc29a9829e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022098949b8853c446e806a04cc29a9829e\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL (Labour\u2014Manurewa)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: What examples of capital pressures has he seen while visiting DHBs?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022 data-id=\u002248705ce4507b4a5a820b7ff87c3526fc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002248705ce4507b4a5a820b7ff87c3526fc\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E I have now visited almost all of our district health boards (DHBs) and, on many occasions, the state of facilities has been raised directly with me. I\u2019ve seen buildings at or near their use-by date, I\u2019ve seen buildings that have suffered from years of deferred maintenance, I\u2019ve heard stories of patients being treated in corridors, but, most importantly, I have seen staff delivering quality care despite all these challenges.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b486bf7cee741a0aa9d554fb97e3558\u0022\u003ELouisa Wall\u003C/span\u003E: What examples has he seen at Nelson Hospital?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b1c4a9c9385e492cac4621c5af9480eb\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: Nelson Hospital has well-documented seismic issues. Its main buildings are 50 years old and will need to be replaced in time, but perhaps most shocking to me was to see nurses working in corridors and using card tables as makeshift workstations. Both the staff and the patients of Nelson Hospital deserve much better.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b15e295c1214b99be9b828c32d037f1\u0022\u003ELouisa Wall\u003C/span\u003E: What pressures is he aware of at Capital and Coast DHB?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de141ae5c5644064b740a4f885f48830\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: Well, even Wellington Hospital\u2014one of our most modern hospitals, built under the outstanding fifth Labour Government\u2014has its problems. Wellington Hospital has kilometre after kilometre of copper pipes, and between January 2015 and October last year, there were 276 leaks in those pipes, and another eight leaks in January. We have a plan to fund health more sustainably. That will be evident in the upcoming Budget, although we won\u2019t be able to fix all the problems we have inherited in one Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a39c63ae0ba24931b7705e880a94e246\u0022\u003EBuilding and Construction Industry\u2014Fire Safety Reports and Review\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022 data-id=\u0022bd7e6f1c923b4a5b9df3511645b23e61\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bd7e6f1c923b4a5b9df3511645b23e61\u0022\u003EANDREW BAYLY (National\u2014Hunua)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Building and Construction: Why did she wait four months between receiving expert fire engineer Dr Tony Enright\u2019s report on concerns with aluminium composite panel cladding on 19 November and commissioning a peer review on 6 March?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u002213fa93bd0a9343c18ff30c5a1addaa03\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002213fa93bd0a9343c18ff30c5a1addaa03\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m advised that during the four-month period, the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) consulted the relevant accreditation bodies, the Joint Accreditation System of Australia and New Zealand and CertMark International, for feedback on the report, as well as seeking supporting evidence from Dr Enright. MBIE then started the process for engaging an engineer in February, who began the peer review in March. As the member will appreciate, when MBIE are assessing whether building materials are to be suspended, that process must be appropriate, it must be fair and robust, and that takes time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002232f515a8a42947449b969fb127283968\u0022\u003EAndrew Bayly\u003C/span\u003E: Why did she wait for four months when Australian building authorities have already accepted the findings of Dr Enright\u2019s reports, and one banned their cladding product in February?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d6f69cb044b5404aba5a4b77fcef55ac\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: I want to point out to the member that the state of Victoria has only banned certain aluminium composite panel (ACP). Also, the state of Victoria originally identified more than 1,300 buildings as most likely having ACP cladding. But here in Aotearoa New Zealand, interim preliminary results provided by most councils indicate that there is not a prevalence of combustible ACPs installed in high-rise buildings in New Zealand. Banning a product is a very serious imposition and has only been done once before, under the Building Act of 2004. I am very confident that the appropriate regulatory process is currently being followed. Suspending code mark certificates without robust evidence is something MBIE does not do lightly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223994917ef49e4caeaa2e26694ec2a6cd\u0022\u003EAndrew Bayly\u003C/span\u003E: Has she met with Dr Enright; and, if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a895aeb4a35e47e4a5b38f36353ce6b5\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Enright, as far as I\u2019m informed, lives in Australia. The issue of dealing with Dr Enright is something that my officials do. MBIE are currently ensuring that the report that Dr Enright provided is being peer reviewed. We are waiting for the peer review of that process, and we will get the peer review in the next few weeks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227e3bdb95ff1e4aed8b60073e7abd02be\u0022\u003EMarja Lubeck\u003C/span\u003E: What steps is the Minister undertaking to review the products regime, which includes products such as ACP?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c07721a6b0e47dfbe2ad44f11c9b5e8\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: I am undertaking a review of products. We know that reviewing products here in Aotearoa New Zealand is something that has not been done for many years. We know that there are issues with some products and we are doing a first-line review. The Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment is undergoing a review right now, and that is something that we are very glad as a Government that we will be doing very soon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e45f2c922e064076b2f49a25abbbdd0b\u0022\u003EAndrew Bayly\u003C/span\u003E: Why didn\u2019t she simply suspend the use of the product rather than allowing her ministry to waste four months consulting only with those agencies responsible for issuing the disputed cladding certification?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a62ef06f503f4272abbc4e6124d387f3\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: I refer the member to the answer I gave just before. Banning a product\u2014suspending a product\u2014is something that has only ever been done in New Zealand once before, under the Building Act 2004. We are going through the right process right now to ensure that the right decision is made. We are going through a peer review process, and we will have that report from MBIE very soon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224c1e0589096246f6a822c0c1cced9820\u0022\u003ECensus 2018\u2014Census Papers and Integrity\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022 data-id=\u0022730e10c4890048adbf514268124df3ed\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022730e10c4890048adbf514268124df3ed\u0022\u003EDr JIAN YANG (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Statistics: Does he have confidence in his Department?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022 data-id=\u00224948dcd499ab47fc819cc7faa07b1a1b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224948dcd499ab47fc819cc7faa07b1a1b\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW (Minister of Statistics):\u003C/span\u003E I do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225929b679c5bc4a35b981350c2b561c9e\u0022\u003EDr Jian Yang\u003C/span\u003E: How can he have confidence in his department, when there are New Zealanders who had still not received access codes or papers for the 2018 census more than a month after census night, despite contacting the helpline, and others who completed the census online but have been sent census documents afterwards because there is no record of them having completed the census?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268e3e7eb26624f73b2f0ed19525e256b\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: Census response rates are running close to target, and Statistics New Zealand has been investigating ways in which they might boost response rates in the final field operation period, which we\u2019re actually still in at the moment. Statistics New Zealand has met its target for online and self-completion rates and is on track to meet the remaining targets. The self-response target was 70 percent, and it\u2019s running at about that. The online target was 70 percent, and it has exceeded that target. Currently we\u2019re tracking at about 90 percent completion for the South Island and lower North Island, and what that does is it enables us to put resources into the areas of greatest need. All indications are that the census will be completed in line with targets.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e938d0165b534f82836eaedd7e20a940\u0022\u003EDr Jian Yang\u003C/span\u003E: How will these many problems affect the integrity and accuracy of the 2018 census?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ecb546886ac3405d8671ea528e969f2e\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: They won\u2019t. We\u2019re actually on track to deliver the census exactly according to the plan that was put in place by a previous Minister of Statistics, Craig Foss. So all of the decisions and plans that Minister Foss put in place are actually being delivered on in accordance with all of those targets. It\u2019s important to note that this is the first census that we\u2019ve actually been able to track progress on a daily basis. In previous censuses, we had to wait until the end of the census period before we could start enumerating, and at that point we would find out how we were tracking. Now, because of the shift to census online, we\u2019re actually able to track every day, and that enables us to shift resources into the areas where there are lower response rates.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5f827ff9a2f425f93f74b66ee8f4a41\u0022\u003EDr Jian Yang\u003C/span\u003E: What can he say to people in remote regions who are worried about missing out on Government funding for essential services because of the problems in their regions with the 2018 census?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9a50e66b34c45eeb333578de0ca8dcf\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: This has always been true in the census. Obviously there are some areas which have lower response rates than others. That\u2019s why the current way of doing the census enables us to shift resources to those areas. There are some places where we\u2019re doing up to six doorknocks per household, in order to make sure that those people can be included. There are places where we\u2019ve actually hand-delivered papers to every single household that hadn\u2019t received them yet. That process is still continuing, and from all indications we\u2019re on track to meet the census numbers, as with any previous census. Census completion rates are never 100 percent; it\u2019s in the high 90s, and it looks like this census will be on track as with historical trends.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b015419af19c44e38253170127c80fda\u0022\u003EDr Jian Yang\u003C/span\u003E: What is his response to The Northland Age editor, Peter Jackson, who said, \u201CThis census shows all the hallmarks of being a shambles.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022788697a51f054d50bb741187dce96f30\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: What I would say is that this census looks to be more successful than previous censuses, that we\u2019re meeting all of our targets, and that that person, whoever wrote that article, should stop believing everything that he sees on Twitter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b17c77dc7d224569875633b98b6f708d\u0022\u003EUrgent Debates\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002221d2ecef623b4190953029e35ec3756d\u0022\u003EOffshore Oil and Gas Exploration Permits\u2014Announcements\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022b3e89732d9694d498c0c8fe8aeec972b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b3e89732d9694d498c0c8fe8aeec972b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I have received a letter from the Hon Paula Bennett seeking to debate under Standing Order 389 the Government\u2019s announcement that no further offshore oil and gas exploration permits will be granted. This is a particular case of recent occurrence involving ministerial responsibility. The test for whether a particular case requires the immediate attention of the House is a high one. It requires the matter to be of such urgency that it justifies the House spending a substantial amount of time debating it. This issue\u2014[Interruption] I\u2019m not sure which member it was there who interjected, but it\u2019s not too late for me to change the final paragraph in this. The issue is an important one for New Zealand. While its effects are not likely to have an impact immediately, it does warrant the urgent attention of the House. There is no other foreseeable opportunity to debate it. Therefore I call on the Hon Paula Bennett\u2014[Interruption] Who said that? Stand, withdraw, and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227e9dc5898b824c749a004069aa910307\u0022\u003EHon Grant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022023cef5f7b454ca7a9b4014dca0f2c6d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I call on the Hon Paula Bennett to move that the House take note of a matter of urgent public importance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u0022a20c3765a2d745ac87a22c9640e777b5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a20c3765a2d745ac87a22c9640e777b5\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Deputy Leader\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the House take note of a matter of urgent public importance. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003EToday I just feel pretty gutted for regional New Zealand. I feel pretty gutted for the workers in Taranaki whose jobs are in wind-down. I feel gutted for the business manager of an engineering firm in New Plymouth who, on hearing the news today, immediately walked into the HR department and said, \u201CStop all hiring now.\u201D I feel sorry for the small businesses in places like New Plymouth who depend on the income that comes from natural gas when they were blindsided by this Government today and deeply let down by New Zealand First\u2014deeply let down. Shame on New Zealand First. For all of the words that they have used in supporting our regions, when it really came down to it, they rolled over to the Greens, left their principles behind, and did not back our regions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003EAs has been said through the media today, this is a death sentence for some of our towns and for some of those that had jobs and are dependent on it. But more than that, this does not help climate change. This does not actually help those very people who purport that this will support our environment and make a huge difference. In fact, it is completely and utterly the complete opposite of that, and that is the case that I want to make.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First have said, \u201CWe will not compromise [on] what we\u2019ve agreed on.\u201D New Zealand First have said that they have \u201Cassigned a fair bit of time and a lot of people to make sure that we know exactly where this is going, in line with what we\u2019ve agreed with the Labour Party.\u201D New Zealand First have said that offshore oil and gas drilling was an essential feature of domestic and export growth, Mr Jones, and that businesses and enterprises enabling it will get full Government support. Mr Jones has also said, \u201CProtesters need to bear in mind we are buying oil out of the Gulf of Mexico and other far-flung places when we should be focusing on making an industry in our country.\u201D So, Mr Jones, how does that actually concur with what your Government has announced today?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003EI would like to make the point now that it\u2019s quite clear that, actually, what will happen is that this will not actually help climate change. Because petroleum is produced around the world, as Mr Jones has said, even in the Gulf of Mexico, the bans on exploration in New Zealand will do nothing to reduce emissions or reduce the world supply or use of oil and gas. Instead, other countries will produce it and we will have to import it at a higher cost.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s quite simple that we need the oil that we\u2019re producing. It\u2019s used here in New Zealand. If we are not producing it here in New Zealand, then that simply means we\u2019ll be purchasing more from overseas\u2014and that means that more emissions are used to get the oil here. It\u2019s potentially being produced less sustainably and actually doesn\u2019t work for the betterment of either our own environment here in New Zealand or, more importantly, the world\u2019s emissions profile that we happen to be a part of. New Zealand is a small producer on the world stage, making up 0.014 percent of global oil supply. So if we stop making it, it\u2019s kind of easy for others to do that. They then have to get it here to New Zealand, and you can see the cycle\u2014actually, this is not helping in any way, shape, or form.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003EWe then move to the natural gas component, where we say that, actually, exploration can continue under the current permits. So to drill twice, I am told, costs around about $150 million. There\u2019s a good chance you may not hit that natural supply that is sitting there. And then, they can\u2019t actually move the few metres they might need to because there\u2019s no more permits. So what we\u2019re already hearing from these companies is that they will stop their exploration already because of the cost of actually doing it and the fact that they\u2019re not going to get any more new permits, and, as a consequence of that, we can see a reduction in natural gas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003ESo I am informed\u2014and I went to the Petroleum Exploration and Production Association of New Zealand website and had a good look at it\u2014that there is around enough for 11 years\u2019 supply as we stand now. In this House, in question time today, we were told 30-odd years, and 20 years from Labour\u2014which, quite frankly, tells me that we don\u2019t know how much, if we\u2019re hearing one number from the Greens and then we\u2019re hearing another number from Labour as to how much is actually there. So there are 11 years of known reserves, right. The Government says there are plenty of potential sources left, but those are unconfirmed, and it is very risky to rely on hoping that someone strikes it lucky on existing permits. At that cost, and when they have no certainty of future permits and, in fact, they\u2019ve been told there won\u2019t be any, they are highly likely to pull out, which means that those 11,000 jobs are well and truly in jeopardy and at real risk.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002220f78e29315140c08e9dc82b09eda333\u0022\u003EHon Grant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: No, they\u2019re not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b47c9afa13b245c497cd4806a6a8c752\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: Well, tell that to the people of Taranaki, Mr Robertson. Go there and front up and tell those people in those towns and in those cities that, actually, their jobs are not at risk. Because I am standing here today and saying they do not believe it\u2014they do not believe it. And it isn\u2019t those that are wealthy; it is the welder whose whole family depends on his income, and it is the baker that took the risk and set up the cafe down the road that serves those workers. They are the ones at risk by this announcement that\u2019s been made today, and in such a way that it\u2019s done from Wellington, not in a town that it\u2019s going to affect. And we hear that there\u2019s no plan to front up to those people in the next few days or anywhere else: \u201CWe\u2019ll just sit back and watch, without any of the kind of emphasis and actually having the courage to see people face to face and tell them exactly what is really going on.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d54ca717c99d43358b1f52faeee47b14\u0022\u003EHon Grant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Questioning courage. That\u2019s a new Standing Order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226e685a31153f4a489fad460f406eb8d0\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: I also want to make the point that there are\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022831b8ccc0b224015a3eddadb77394814\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: You can use the word.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ad1d6c1d5ab456ba48fe699f331cf05\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014around 11,720 jobs in the sector, and that was projected in 2015, so we are talking substantial jobs as well as those that are associated with it and make a fundamental difference.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003EThe other is the issue of coal, and it\u2019s real. So, as we have seen, as early as Tuesday this week\u2014and I understand where you\u2019re coming from Minister Woods, because I heard that you were very unhappy to hear that, actually, coal was having to be turned on the very week that you were making this big announcement of cancelling\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226683f90744104c7a8d3bdf74bb0087b7\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I wasn\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220da9061aa6284960ad85329a2fa46758\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014national gas expert permits.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c8718cdb2f964ec1b9278280ec47ac33\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I wasn\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d7073414538d4261928632ad89733f74\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sorry, Madam Deputy Speaker. I\u2019m referring to the Minister, of course.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003ESo I understand the anger that\u2019s coming across in that and why, actually, the Minister wouldn\u2019t front up to the communities that this affects, face to face, and tell them what\u2019s really going on. It\u2019s easier to sort of sit back here and say it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003EWhat\u2019s really happening there is that we have times when we need coal, and it is for different reasons, as the Minister stated today. That was a weather event. Through health and safety, those pipes all needed to be shut down. Luckily, we had the backup of Huntly, which the Greens, of course, have not been supporting for years and have been telling us absolutely has to be shut down immediately. And I know, as the previous climate change Minister, I faced many questions from them on that very issue. Well, that\u2019s the reason: because it\u2019s a backup and it actually supports us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003EIf we accept that at most we\u2019ve got 11 years of reserves and that we\u2019ve got a risk of those natural gas companies actually not even continuing the exploration that they\u2019re currently doing, because they know they have zero support from this Government, we are likely to see a reduction, obviously, in natural gas. That means that there is a high probability that we would be turning more to dirty coal. So we turn away from clean natural gas to dirty coal, and we will see Huntly open a heck of a lot more often and a heck of a lot longer than we projected to\u2014which is not helping climate change, is not helping this country get cleaner and greener, and, in fact, is likely to be detrimental for the world\u2019s emissions, which are what we should be concerned about overall.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003EIt is quite a simple argument that even, I think, the Labour members that are shouting out should grasp. These are real people, with real jobs, that are making a real difference to New Zealand, and they deserve respect and to have a Prime Minister and Minister that front up to them and explain the current stance on their livelihoods and on why the risks that they are taking are not worth it, and, actually, are not worthy of the sort of respect that I think the Minister should be showing them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003EThis is ill-thought-out. It is actually the kind of leadership that we see when a Prime Minister was, quite frankly, scrambling over the Labour summer camp issue and had to go out on the forecourt to try and change the rhetoric that was being used and the words used at that time. They fronted up to Greenpeace, to a few supporters, and then felt they had to try and find what they think here is actually a compromise position\u2014and it\u2019s pretty weak. Well, the weak argument is actually real jobs for real people and making a difference in this country, and it\u2019s something that Labour care little about and isn\u2019t making a difference in. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003ESo this is where we have New Zealand First, which talks about the regions so often and how important they are. Yet those predominantly 11,720 jobs that are created by natural gas are being shut down because of their agreement with Labour and the Greens, who have got an ill-thought-out policy, made on the hoof, because they were worried about what was in the media that week.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u0022f10b5d7d454b42239b1b3cb28d50c5df\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f10b5d7d454b42239b1b3cb28d50c5df\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Energy and Resources):\u003C/span\u003E Madam Deputy Speaker, that very short offering from the member that got an urgent debate and couldn\u2019t make full time, Paula Bennett, could be no greater example of a Government that is out of tune [Interruption]\u2014of an Opposition that is out of tune with what this country needs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003ENow, I would actually like to talk the member that has just taken her seat through what has actually happened today, because what we see on the Opposition bench seems to be a complete lack of understanding. Today, what we announced was that Block Offer 2018 would be restricted to onshore Taranaki only. Furthermore, the Prime Minister made an announcement that we would not be offering further offshore acreage in this country. And that is a sign of a Government that has the courage to raise its eyes above the three-year political cycle and stand up and show the leadership that this country lacked for the nine long years that those members opposite were in Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EToday, we have had the Leader of the Opposition say that he will reverse this decision if he gets back into Government. This is simply irresponsible. This sets communities up for a fall, and is not something that we on this side of the House are willing to do. We are not willing to put communities in Taranaki, or anywhere else in this country, through what mining communities in England went through in the 1980s because the coal mines were closed down overnight and no one had had the foresight to plan for what was going to happen to those communities. I am not willing to put more people in this country through what we went through with rapid changes in the 1980s.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EWe have an opportunity in front of us to show that leadership, to ensure a smooth transition to the kind of future that we will be facing. We have two choices. The Opposition choose to bury their heads in the sand; we choose to face the future, show leadership, and implement a plan. Furthermore, what the Leader of the Opposition showed today is that he has absolutely no plan to meet the Paris targets that a Government that he was part of signed up to. If you\u2019re not going to do this, how are you going to meet New Zealand\u2019s international obligations\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a90f3b75e45d49169b809bd4092a44cc\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t need to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e57a19191aa48e78abe32de34b7d484\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry\u2014well, actually we all do, Madam Deputy Speaker, but I take your point. What would the plan be to meet our international obligations? Rather than headlines that we got from the proponent of the debate, I\u2019d like to have a serious discussion in this House about that. What is the plan? When those members opposite were in Government, they had no plan to reach our international climate commitments bar costing us a whole lot of money by trading in international units. We have a plan on this side of the House to actually cut our emissions and to be able to do it that way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EAnd I\u2019d like to point out that when Simon Bridges became the Leader of the Opposition he staked his claim that he was moving National into the centre on the environment. Well, he failed at the first hurdle. He failed to show leadership. He harked back to the past and showed that he has no ability to lift his eyes above the three-year horizon and show the kind of leadership that Jacinda Ardern and this Government are showing for our communities in this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EWe had the crocodile tears from the deputy leader of the National Party about how she is gutted for small businesses, she is gutted for communities, and she is gutted for the jobs that are winding down. I\u2019ll tell you what keeps me awake at night, and that is that if we fail to plan for those very communities, we will have workers in those communities in 20 and 30 years\u2019 time that will be facing a desolate future. Those shop owners, those plumbers, those small-business owners\u2014they rely on there being a vibrant regional economy in those areas, and that is exactly what this Government is committed to investing in. Only on Friday, we saw Shane Jones visit Taranaki and start the Taranaki transition plan with an investment in feasibility studies on alternative industries. That is what responsible Government in this area looks like. It is that willingness to think ahead and have that kind of courage and not melt at the first opportunity like the Leader of the Opposition, Simon Bridges, did today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EOne of the things that I also thought that was very interesting was that the member that has taken her seat used to be our climate change Minister, and to show the lack of understanding around this issue was, quite frankly, alarming. She told us that she\u2019d looked at the Petroleum Exploration and Production Association of New Zealand website and that there was 11 years of supply there. That is right, Ms Bennett. We currently have consented for drilling somewhere between seven and 11 years of gas in this country. But what we also have is 100,000 kilometres off the coast of New Zealand consented for exploration. That is roughly the size of the North Island. The North Island is 113,000 square kilometres. We already have that much acreage off our coast held in exploration permits. We are told that one of these prospect fields, these exploration fields alone, the Barque prospect, has 11 trillion cubic feet of gas, by some estimates.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002252075dddff124bb1bdfd72749c806ac1\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Let\u2019s go find it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db41f2c508214d60a1d90722d93a029d\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Now, let\u2019s be really clear\u2014Mr Bishop says, \u201CLet\u2019s go find it.\u201D Well, all the holders of that exploration permit need to do is put in a mining application and they will be able to proceed. That is the whole point of what has happened today. The current exploration permits will be honoured. This is where the Opposition fails to understand what is required for the future. If an exploration permit currently exists, it still exists in the same way it did last week. The holder of that permit has the ability to transfer that exploration right into a mining right if it can fulfil the criteria that is set out under the Crown Minerals Act. Nothing has changed. There are 100,000 kilometres off our shores where these rights exist. So I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and realise that, actually, this is what a real plan for the future looks like.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EWe currently have 31 live petroleum exploration permits. We also have 22 of these offshore. This is more than enough for us to be able to enter into our security of supply. Now, I\u2019ve also heard some particular hyperbole from the Opposition today around the fact that the lights are going to go out. Well, Madam Speaker, I would put to you that if that is the case, that was a failure of leadership by the previous Government over the last nine years, because any exploration permit that would come about as a result of Block Offer 2018 will not be available for drilling or mining rights until somewhere between 2040 and 2045.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022442f4c277ddc4f9eb4dd1b454017e83b\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, that\u2019s not true.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c7d8d07f6bc4ef5b2a5eabef8bdcb64\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: This is the kind of time frame that we are talking about. I\u2019m being told that\u2019s not true. Do the math\u2014at the very earliest maybe 2035. But this is the long-term range we think about in terms of these rights. If there is a threat to our security of supply, it\u2019s because the previous Government failed to plan for it. But let\u2019s be very clear [Voice strains]\u2014sorry, I have the flu\u2014we do not have a threat to our security of supply. Furthermore, this is a responsible Government that has a plan to put in place the first road map that we have around our energy future to renewables.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EWe have a target: by 2035 to be at 100 percent renewables. We will chart that out. Of course security of supply is one of the considerations that I had to consider when making this decision today. It\u2019s one of the most serious considerations that has to be considered, along with affordability and the sustainability of the energy system. These are the things we must consider. We know that by 2035, in a normal hydrological year we can be at 100 percent renewable. Being at 100 percent renewable in a normal hydrological year doesn\u2019t actually discount the fact that you will need to peak, and we will still have gas on tap at that point, because the current permits that we have in play for mining, let alone exploration, go through to 2046. There is no threat to security of supply here. I think the National Party need to show some leadership in this area and stop scaremongering around this. There are many things for us to consider.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EThe other argument that the former climate change Minister Paula Bennett put up was the bogus, discredited argument around carbon leakage that if we cut off gas in New Zealand, we\u2019re just creating emissions in other parts of the world. That is, simply, incorrect. That is not the way it works. The gas that we produce in New Zealand is not exported; it is used domestically. We have renewable options other than gas to use in this country. In order for us to be able to export gas, we would need to build liquefied natural gas facilities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003ENow, Chevron have just made an investment in Australia to be able to do just that\u2014$46 billion worth of investment went into that plant. I do not see that level of infrastructural investment going in here. The only way in which we\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ffcd959f1da540f7a362336fee1b32e2\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: How much renewable would that buy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f1d314a23f0477891c6e70c10d67568\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Exactly\u2014how much renewable would that buy? But if we have a look at the only way that our gas can be transformed into a form of energy and exported, it is through processing into methanol, which Methanex does. Now, the calculations I have around the world methanol supply that is produced for energy use here in New Zealand is somewhere between 1.5 and 2 percent of world methanol production. This is not going to make a huge dent in global emissions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EThe other problem with the carbon leakage argument that the deputy leader of the National Party put up is that it assumes the rest of the world is standing as still as the National Party is on the issue of climate change. The rest of the world is changing. I think the Opposition should open their eyes and have a look around and see that the world is changing and that people are taking action. That is exactly what we have done on this side of the House. We are three parties that form this Government, that share a common vision of the need to plan for our future\u2014the plan not to leave our communities laid by the wayside, to not leave them out there to dry. We know threats are coming. We will not stand by and wilfully ignore them like the Opposition is prepared to do. New Zealand First is committed to the regions and to the job creation in those regions. To ignore this problem would be kicking the can down the road and leaving those regions exposed in 30 and 40 years\u2019 time. That is not something that we are willing to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EWe are joined, obviously, also, by the Green Party, who have long fought hard on this issue of offshore oil and gas exploration. Together, we come together to form a Government that has New Zealand\u2019s best interests at heart, that is planning for its future. Instead, what we saw from the Opposition is them failing at the first hurdle when they say that they\u2019re going to move to the centre on environmental matters. Instead, they retreat into outmoded, old-fashioned, populist thought that doesn\u2019t actually imagine a future in the 21st century. They are locked in the 20th century with no view to the future, no plan for it, unlike us on this side of the House, that are absolutely committed to making sure that we have just transitions where industry, our communities, and workers are looked after and that we are not leaving them on the wayside. It is not the crocodile tears of the deputy leader of the National Party, who says she worries about the plumber and the shopkeeper and the small-business owner. They are abandoning them if they fail to plan for the future, and that is not something that we are prepared to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EI am proud to be part of a Government that today announced a real plan for that future, one where we can make sure that we invest in people and regions to ensure they have a positive future and not one where they are left by the wayside because someone failed to plan. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u00228a443e98a41241bf90d0502dec87e4cb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228a443e98a41241bf90d0502dec87e4cb\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E It\u2019s a pleasure to stand and make a contribution, which will consume the entire 10 minutes, unlike the deputy leader of the National Party, who, having called for a snap debate, both ran out of things to say and was in need of gas herself. Today is a historic day because there\u2019s been a clear line of sight as to what happens when three parties come together for a common purpose. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ENow there will be those who seek to make mischief, but let\u2019s go to the depth of this purpose. We have inherited a set of obligations signed up to by the current deputy leader of the National Party and signed up to by the former Prime Minister Mr John Key, who thoroughly enjoyed, by all accounts, swanning around the world, going to major events, and talking up the credentials, environmentally, of New Zealand, but on coming home, however, never once confronted the stakeholders, the power brokers, that lie beyond what we see today of the National Party. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ESo, with our negotiating skill and ability to navigate the challenges of MMP politics, we\u2019ve placed a stake on the political and geopolitical landscape. What have we done? On my side of the Government, we ensured that those parties who already hold enforceable rights\u2014statutory entitlements\u2014do not lose them. We have ensured that the investors, the planners, and the strategists behind the current statutory rights holders can enjoy clear air. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ENow, in addition to that, as a consequence of the advocacy of the co-leader of the Green Party and also the leadership shown by our energy Minister and the passion shown by our Prime Minister, we have given a clear sense of the direction of travel that this Government seeks to take. It is enabling us, with utter clarity, to share with New Zealanders that we are not climate change deniers. I guarantee you, the other side of the House will soon stand up and they will prove, as a consequence of their rhetoric, that they might like going to these international conventions\u2014hobnobbing\u2014but their words are hollow, their actions are non-existent, and a number of them are going to be shown up as having no practical response. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EPaula Bennett received proposals and trotted around the countryside promising to deliver pragmatic outcomes when she had a responsibility in this broad climate change area. Within one month, this Government\u2014this Government\u2014had allocated hundreds of millions of dollars to actually roll out a programme, supported, I would say, by the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment, that said the best way in the short term to enable Kiwis to cope with the impost of climate change as a consequence of that side of the House signing up to these obligations was to plant one billion trees. One billion trees\u2014a vision shared by my Labour colleagues, the Green leaders, and, obviously, my own leader. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s the difference. We\u2019re not just spouting words; we are going to change the political economy of our country. We are going to change it as a consequence of redirecting capital into those areas that generate high-paying jobs, those areas that generate durable jobs, and those areas that don\u2019t create businesses where the quality of water, the quality of air, and, indeed, the quality of life is a second consideration. That is what lies at the essence of our response today to the challenges as to how does a modern Government deal with an existential issue such as climate change. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThis is not about pitting young against old. I\u2019m a grandfather. I love the prospect\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9be0b071c354255bbe83b6a2643f225\u0022\u003EHon Ruth Dyson\u003C/span\u003E: What? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f7ab5820f1c4d34a88126d4573b1352\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014of my mokopunas\u2014I know, I know. Despite various facial countenances\u2014you may not believe that I am 58, but I can assure you I am a virile 58-year-old. However, more on that later\u2014more on that later. [Interruption] \u201CToo much detail.\u201D, my bald-headed friend Ron Mark sitting in front of me says. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EBut I want to come back to the practical things that we\u2019re going to do. Let\u2019s just walk them through. You see, there is a counter-narrative on the other side of the House. They don\u2019t want us to tidy up the quality of water. They don\u2019t want us to take any robust steps to address our climate change obligations. They don\u2019t want us to move towards a better, more efficient, less polluting transport fleet. They don\u2019t want us to actually take changes that stop the next generation\u2014or, as I said, my mokopunas\u2014being imperilled as a consequence of massive climate change forces. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EWhat do we hear? We hear scaremongering about coal whilst the very leaders that they purport to represent from the dairy sector are privately telling us that we\u2019re not going fast enough. They\u2019re coming into our offices and saying, \u201CWe salute your boldness. Let\u2019s join forces. The nation needs a plan. The nation needs a strategy.\u201D Why? Why do they say that? Because they know this is no longer the case under the last crowd, where they promised that the best way to turn the fortunes of New Zealand around was to expand output, and to hell with the environment. We\u2019re not going to do that. We\u2019re willing to be measured and we\u2019re willing to be challenged in 2020\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022126c6c55f4a44f1ba4a199f05c28befe\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: You will be. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235d01fec03f54b759e6912e39001a43a\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014when the next election comes. Oh, I\u2019ve just heard from the Ken Barlow of New Zealand politics\u2014the forgettable actor parading around as the climate change spokesman for the other side of the House. He is a man who tells the media he\u2019s going to bring us together under the rubric of climate change; a man who has the first opportunity to join forces with the co-leader of the Green Party, the energy Minister, and our own Prime Minister. I guarantee you he will turn his back. He will turn his back because they are afraid to confront the stakeholders who lie behind them\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad28f30bf02d4cadb09d2d418d6844a8\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed83f6f5ed8c47d89795c26eb45c6014\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and who pull their strings. They\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d53e1157f64482da3863eaef1b4b610\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Now that is transgressing the Standing Orders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fdc046512fc64a108338ab1e6b2a2751\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw that remark, Madam Deputy Speaker. I won\u2019t bother arguing the toss. The reality is\u2014[Interruption] I withdraw that remark. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b1f9317c7124952bd157faa41e12f6f\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e99e2fa7f6124f918a0cc6f109813239\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: The key point is this is a transparent demonstration of the willingness to make long-term decisions, absorb the downside of making those long-term calls, and not lose heart or not lose confidence whilst at the same time demonstrating coherence. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eae048cc3e7246db9214948846065948\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: Investing for the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b2aa02ba84804f3b981734964bb4eae8\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: That is the essence of MMP politics. Well, naturally the \u201CDarling of the Regions\u201D will continue to invest in the future\u2014sorry, the first citizen, I should say\u2014and I might be pilloried as a consequence in some corners on the other side of the House about the robust decision we took today. But that\u2019s what leadership and being a part of a bold team is about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EDon\u2019t consign these problematic decisions to the mokopunas and the next generation. We\u2019re setting a long-term direction but we\u2019re securing the rights of people who go to work today, go to work next week, go to work next year, and go to work in 2020. A host of the people on the other side of the House will be going to different work in 2020, of that I can assure you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ESo, yes, I am happy that our leaders will be going to Taranaki, but the Taranaki business community themselves know they\u2019ve got to go through a transition. The engineers that people are fearful might lose their jobs: once our infrastructure programme opens up and once we actually get along and build a host of infrastructure services to deal with water degradation\u2014a further bequeathment from the other side of the House to us\u2014we will need every engineer in the country. And I tell you what, when we absorb the slack resources that, time to time, come from other sectors of the economy, we will ensure they\u2019re adequately trained. We will ensure that those seeking a vocational form of training have the opportunity in the transition economy. I stand with pride today as a champion of the regions to give them heart that this message has no short-term downside and much long-term upside. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u00223c7cda91a39945dcaa8cb4541bfc652a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223c7cda91a39945dcaa8cb4541bfc652a\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (National\u2014Papakura):\u003C/span\u003E There is no sadder member of Parliament today than the Hon Shane Jones. We heard him just tell us how happy he is, and he couldn\u2019t even crack a smile. He couldn\u2019t even crack a smile because he knows\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022717dceba6b3c47c8a3cb95ca59d8dea3\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: I bet it\u2019s not Botox.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb1335c1656a44589ef76d038693ece1\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f28d688d36eb45d3bbce1a12a4a8a42a\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014he let down the people who put faith in him and in his leader to at least keep some semblance of sense with the Labour-led Government. Actually, they have been deeply disappointed. David Parker might find it very funny that people will lose their jobs in Taranaki and elsewhere in New Zealand\u2014and apparently they\u2019re all going to be trained, they say, in engineering. Well, what the hell for\u2014what the hell for? What\u2019s this infrastructure going to be for when people won\u2019t be there any more? Taranaki has one of the highest levels of income in the country, and they\u2019re just taking that away. They\u2019re saying here that Taranaki also, in the oil and gas industry, pays double what is the average wage in New Zealand. It is one of the highest-earning sectors in New Zealand, and yet this Labour - Greens - New Zealand First Government wants to take that away.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003ELast year, I was privileged to be the Minister of Energy and Resources, and it was interesting to find that crude oil exports from New Zealand to Australia are our second-biggest single export earner to Australia and, until 2012, it was our single-biggest export earner to Australia. So it earned us, in those days, around $1.6 billion a year, and now it\u2019s around $500 million to $600 million a year\u2014and that\u2019s just off the one basin that we use out of the 19 recognised basins in New Zealand. We have the most immense wealth. We could be the Norway of the Pacific. Instead, we now have a Government that\u2019s intent on turning us into the Nauru of the Pacific\u2014with no disrespect to Nauru, but that\u2019s, essentially, what it is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EIf we want to look at child poverty\u2014and by goodness are we sick and tired of listening to how we\u2019re going to end child poverty but, by goodness, we can\u2019t actually work out what it is, we can\u2019t define it, but we want to actually end it! You want to do that? Then actually encourage our extraction resource industries, encourage natural gas, and encourage our oil industries, because those are industries that pay well but they\u2019re also industries that have a remarkably excellent environmental record in New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EWe look at oil\u2014yes, it\u2019s certainly one where there\u2019re a lot of other countries actually going after their oil, too. I don\u2019t know that any of them do it as well or efficiently or environmentally soundly as we do in New Zealand, and yet we\u2019re being told we can\u2019t do that any more.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003ELook at natural gas. Natural gas is not just an issue of fuel; it\u2019s an issue of energy. Natural gas accounts for around 16 to 17 percent of our energy generation. So last year, for instance, we had a very dry year when it came to our hydro lakes. That meant that for our hydro lakes, we needed a lot of extra help with that, and we couldn\u2019t just go and buy some rain, so we had to actually use more natural gas, we used more coal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI well remember Television New Zealand reporters asking me about this. They\u2019d been set up by the Labour Party, I think, to ask about how we were going to have brownouts during the winter period right before the election\u2014brownouts, we were going to have. I was confident to be able to say, \u201CDon\u2019t worry; we\u2019ve got coal, we\u2019ve got natural gas, we have geothermal, we have hydro\u2014we have options.\u201D And that\u2019s why New Zealand is rated third in the world for renewable energy use\u2014third. And who\u2019s first\u2014Iceland, with 400,000 people, which, with all due respect to Iceland, is the size of Christchurch. And number two is Norway\u2014the sixth-biggest oil producer in the world.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003ENorway supplies gas into the UK, it supplies gas into France, and they use underwater pipelines to do so. So when I hear Dr Megan Woods wanting to think so small and miserly about things, I\u2019d like to say to her, \u201CNorway\u2014population very much like us; just like us, quite a way away from other big countries, but a country with remarkable resource.\u201D That is why Norwegians are the richest people in the world per capita, because they have a sovereign wealth fund from oil and gas\u2014that is why. And they are able to choose what they invest in now. They are now the biggest investors in the whole of the EU\u2014the biggest investors. That could be us, but we\u2019re not going to be having that now, not under this Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI want to say to that side today, and the people of New Zealand, who actually think that we should be looking to New Zealand and New Zealand\u2019s interests, our emissions are 0.02 percent of the world emissions. One of the ways that we can make that even better is to have more natural gas rather than coal, for instance. But we do have coal, and we will use it when we need to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019d like to say to this Government in power at the moment, with their New Zealand First - Labour - Greens Government, when we have brownouts and blackouts\u2014because we\u2019re not in Europe; we can\u2019t just stick a line across to another country. We can\u2019t do what Switzerland is doing in saying they\u2019re getting rid of their nuclear power plants\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b331a03676543dfafea974302956023\u0022\u003EHon Dr Megan Woods\u003C/span\u003E: Forty-year horizon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b46b8dc07a6744b2a2d5d437ccf3acf4\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014because they\u2019re going to get their nuclear power from France\u2014we can\u2019t do that. We have to be self-sufficient. We have to be self-sufficient in our electricity supply. Megan Woods may well call out and say she\u2019s happy for us to import, import, import; there\u2019s only so much that we can import. At the moment, we import our crude oil. That is refined at the Marsden Point refinery, and we export our crude oil from Taranaki. We do that because we get a higher price for our crude oil than what is paid for what comes into New Zealand. So that is why, even though we\u2019re a net importer of oil, we also export a significant amount, but that is not going to last for ever, from one field.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EWhat\u2019s going to be next on their target sheet? Are they going to go after all the extractive industries? We already know\u2014and James Shaw is looking very, very happy at that idea. So who\u2019s going to pay for\u2014where are we going to get the copper, the 4 tonnes of copper, for instance, that goes into every single wind turbine? Four tonnes of copper\u2014where\u2019s that going to come from? Who is going to pay for the gold and the silver and the platinum and the rare earths involved in all of our mobile phones and everything else we use in modern day life? Who\u2019s going to pay for that, and where\u2019s it going to come from, and how can we guarantee what is happening in the environment of those countries which will, in fact, exploit their resources? So we have a country that has immense wealth. We are sitting back from this Government and saying, \u201CWell, all we can do is what we\u2019re doing now except less.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EDuring the election debates, Megan Woods and I were involved in some debates on energy and resources, and not once did she ever say, \u201C100 percent renewables\u201D. And you know why she didn\u2019t? It\u2019s because\u2014and she explained it at the time, the same as I did\u2014to have 100 percent renewables in a country of our demography and the length of our country would actually mean having to have a huge oversupply of hydro and every other form of renewable energy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI well remember the hydro plants being built, the dams being built back in the 1970s. It was a terrible thing! The precursor to the Green Party, the Values Party, were the ones out campaigning against them, and here they are today championing them, but they\u2019re still only 63 percent of our renewable energy. And so what\u2019s going to happen for the rest of it? Are you going to build more dams? Are you going to put some more wind turbines up, with all the concrete that goes in them, all the steel that goes in them, with all the copper that goes in with them? You\u2019re going to do that too, Mr Shaw\u2014and your answer is yes\u2014and who\u2019s going to pay for that? You\u2019re already about to destroy the steel industry. You\u2019re already about to do that by taking away coal, which is needed to make steel, and we have now a Government that shows what happens when the toddlers are in charge of the kindergarten. It\u2019s an absolute disgrace.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022 data-id=\u00228f7daa0baf314abba88da2a201fb05b5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228f7daa0baf314abba88da2a201fb05b5\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E Well, as Gwendolen remarked in The Importance of Being Earnest, there are times when it ceases to be a moral duty to speak one\u2019s mind; it becomes a pleasure. I\u2019d like to just start by responding to some of the myths being peddled by the Hon Judith Collins, who started her contribution by talking about how New Zealand was such a small contributor\u20140.02 percent of global emissions. It is true that when it comes to global emissions, we are one of the small emitters, but if you add up the 96 countries in the world which each, individually, emit 1 percent or less of global emissions together, we add up to 24 percent of the total. That is 1 percent behind China and it\u2019s 10 percent ahead of the United States.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EBeing small does not absolve us of responsibility, and, in fact, as an OECD country with a highly developed economy, as the emitter of the fifth-highest emissions per capita in the world, we actually have a greater responsibility because, per capita, we emit more than most. Not only that, it shows that when we act in concert with the other small countries in the world, together we can change the world, and today New Zealand showed that we are willing to be one of the leaders in the world in the global fight against catastrophic climate change. We are willing to stand up alongside France in saying that we seek to end offshore oil and gas exploration in our waters here in Aotearoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve been fascinated, listening to the National Party contributions and reading their press releases today. You have to remember, it was the National Government, with climate change Minister Paula Bennett, who signed the Paris Agreement on behalf of New Zealand. That agreement commits every country to hit net zero emissions in the second half of this century. That is a radical proposition, particularly when you are a country like New Zealand, that has such high per-person emissions\u2014it\u2019s a radical proposition\u2014and yet today, what we find out is that while they might have signed New Zealand up to that agreement, they have no intention of doing anything that would actually change things, that would actually bring down our emissions, that would actually reduce pollution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EToday, we got to see the National Party defending their mates in the big oil industry, saying, \u201CActually, let\u2019s just keep this going a few decades longer, or maybe a few centuries longer. Let\u2019s not start the transition. Let\u2019s just keep it going. Let\u2019s drill, baby, drill.\u201D, because that is their instinct. It is remarkable, on one hand, to say that you are serious about climate change, to the point that you are willing to sign an international agreement saying so, and then the same people are saying, merely a year later, \u201CActually, no. Let\u2019s not do that. Let\u2019s keep going with fossil fuel emissions. Let\u2019s allow that industry to continue as long as it wants to.\u201D That\u2019s a remarkable thing to say.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EThe other thing that I heard today is how little faith the National Party have in New Zealand innovation, in New Zealand workers, in New Zealand industry. What they are suggesting is that over the next 30 years, as we transition away from fossil fuel exploration in this country, that, somehow, will not be replaced by anything. They\u2019re suggesting that, somehow, all economic activity is going to stop as a result of this decision. It\u2019s remarkable. They\u2019re saying, \u201CNo, actually, industry isn\u2019t going to innovate. It\u2019s not going to reinvest. It\u2019s just going to close up shop.\u201D, and, in fact, what they\u2019re suggesting is it\u2019s going to start closing up shop tomorrow, or maybe this afternoon, because there\u2019s only 30 more years left of guaranteed activity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EI find that utterly remarkable, and I\u2019ve got some numbers\u2014some statistics\u2014I wouldn\u2019t mind sharing with them. Around the world, US$11 trillion is going to be invested in renewable electricity investment in the next 20 years\u2014that comes from Bloomberg. In the single year of 2016-17, there were 8 million clean energy jobs created worldwide, according to the International Energy Agency. In the United States, solar jobs are being created seven times faster than the entire rest of the economy. It is the single fastest-growing sector by a factor of seven. Here in New Zealand, PricewaterhouseCoopers suggests that New Zealand\u2019s share of the global clean-energy market could be $7.5 billion to $22 billion a year if we had policies to encourage it\u2014policies like the one we announced today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003ECountries who have signed up to the Paris Agreement have actually committed\u2014and New Zealand is one of these countries\u2014to mobilise at least US$1 trillion worth of green investment in the next 12 years. Last year, in the renewable energy sector alone, global investment was up to $280 billion. So there is a colossal movement of capital into renewable energy, and yet Judith Collins is suggesting that because over the next 30 years we are intending to phase out fossil fuels, somehow none of that capital\u2014literally, not a cent\u2014will be redeployed into other, more renewable forms of energy and industry in New Zealand. That is a remarkable statement to make. It shows an utter lack of faith in capital, in industry, in innovation, in research, in science, in technology, and in New Zealand. It is an utterly faithless statement to make.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EJudith Collins also suggested that New Zealand can only ever bridge the gap between what we currently generate from renewable electricity and 100 percent with coal or gas. She suggested that is literally the only form of energy available, and yet, at the same time, there are 3,281 megawatts of consented renewable electricity generation ready to be built in New Zealand. Already, it is consented and ready to be built. So if we wanted to, we are able to make the switch to renewable electricity and close the gap that our current fossil fuel reliance\u2014that could have been built a long time ago. That number hasn\u2019t shifted in a decade. There have been over 3,000 megawatts of energy consented and ready to go in this country that we have held off investing in and held off building because of our dependence on fossil fuel electricity generation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EWestpac bank last week estimated that acting early and managing a smooth transition could add $30 billion more to the New Zealand economy by the year 2050 than the alternative. And what National is suggesting\u2014and suggesting by saying they\u2019re going to turn back the fossil fuels; they\u2019re going to actually increase fossil fuel exploration\u2014is that, actually, we\u2019re going to have the kind of sudden transition, as the world winds down its own fossil fuel use, and yet we\u2019re continuing to drill and continuing to try and find markets for what is a declining market place around the world. The National Party is suggesting that, actually, we should just keep it going and then allow the kind of crash that happened in the 1980s\u2014right. Actually, what we need to do is send a long-term signal into the market place to allow industry to invest in the future, and that\u2019s what we have done today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to just finish with some words. About 50 to 60 years ago, President John F Kennedy, from the United States, announced that it was going to become the mission of that country to put a man on the moon and bring him safely back home within 10 years. At the time that he made that commitment, they actually didn\u2019t have the technology to get there. They didn\u2019t have the metallurgy. They didn\u2019t have the rocket fuel. They didn\u2019t have the guidance systems or the computing systems. None of that existed. They knew that they needed it, but they were prepared to invest, and invest they did. What he said at Rice University in Texas, when he announced that\u2014he said, \u201CWe choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one that we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win\u201D. And we can\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00222014cbe0460d41c1b30eede58a5809f4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222014cbe0460d41c1b30eede58a5809f4\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! The member\u2019s time has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u00228f7e736a6d3f461fa7bfcbf60d59ccd7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228f7e736a6d3f461fa7bfcbf60d59ccd7\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. It\u2019s an angry sensation I feel today when we\u2019ve had this policy announced, because it is more evidence of this Government thoughtlessly knocking out the foundations of New Zealand\u2019s economic success that we\u2019ve enjoyed over these past few years. This is an economy that has been going well and delivering jobs for New Zealanders\u2014hard-working New Zealanders\u2014having given them the opportunity to get ahead in their own lives. And day after day, week after week, we are seeing this Government\u2014I would say systematically, but it\u2019s not systematic; it\u2019s thoughtless\u2014knocking out the foundations of that economic success.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI look across the hall to David Parker, the Minister for Economic Development, and I remember him in the debate in the Epsom electorate, where he would stand up and he would say, \u201CNew Zealand is a rich country. We\u2019re one of the richest countries in the history of the world. We can afford to do X and Y, because we are a rich country.\u201D\u2014never a thought to the fact that it is not actually written in stone that New Zealand is a rich country and that every day we have to go out and earn it in a tough world, and earn our living.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EOne of the ways that we may earn our living in this country is in the oil and gas sector, and we have done that for a number of years. That is a sector that generates $1.5 billion of export revenue a year. Forty-two percent of the profits of the broader sector are brought back to New Zealand, and it creates a fuel that is used by 280,000-odd industrial users and private users and residential users to cook their food and to warm themselves with a heater, and it creates an enormous amount of jobs in the New Zealand economy\u2014some estimates of 7,000 full-time jobs in Taranaki; the rest are mainly in Wellington and in Auckland. And we heard Mr Jones talking about the fact that his focus is shifting the economy to areas where there are higher-paying jobs. Well, this is one of the areas where there are higher-paying jobs in New Zealand. The average income is $105,000\u2014twice the New Zealand average\u2014and it is one of the highest paying areas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ESo here we are. We\u2019re taking this important part of the economy and saying that, well, we\u2019re not going to have any further exploration. I\u2019ve been trying to find how many other countries in the world have taken that step. I\u2019ve found four so far: France, which is stopping it 40 years from today, Belize, Costa Rica, and Ireland. New Zealand, I understand, will be the fifth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022448c3f087c9e462f8dcfc1c6b579dbda\u0022\u003EHon Dr Megan Woods\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s what\u2019s called leadership.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209061e00f59f4399a11d618ac0f2ab71\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, you could call it leadership, or you could call it recklessness with the New Zealand economy. It\u2019s only jobs\u2014it\u2019s only people\u2019s livelihoods that we\u2019re talking about here!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1be431df3c24c60bf2fefa7a916a851\u0022\u003EHon Grant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Have you got no ambition?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022828a5dffafc640e591bd8570c8c7b275\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: We have ambition to earn a living in this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThe Prime Minister can go and get her photo op in England next week. It will be one of the most expensive photo opportunities for this country in a very long time, because the consequences are huge. We\u2019ve heard so many speeches saying, \u201COh, it doesn\u2019t matter. Nothing\u2019s gonna happen for years. We\u2019ve got decades. This decision is just sending a signal and it won\u2019t have any impact for 11 years or two decades because there\u2019s all this stuff.\u201D That shows no understanding of the reality of the economy. People are right now having to decide whether to invest in this industry\u2014whether to take their capital and risk it in further investment in the New Zealand economy, in Taranaki and in many of the other areas that they\u2019ve had access to over the past few years. I\u2019m not saying that tomorrow everybody\u2019s going to disappear\u2014of course not\u2014but they are less likely to make future investments in this industry and there is, inevitably, a serious consequence for the opportunities in that region.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EWhy would you invest serious money in this sector when the Government has said there\u2019s no future in it? They are much less likely to make investments\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db8f70906738431f842e39dd322a5156\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: It wouldn\u2019t. That\u2019s the point.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a541878cbc214e9ebce9de9583eed04e\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and it is going to have direct consequences for the livelihoods. Yes, that is indeed the point. Thank you very much. That is the point. There will be no more investment, or less investment in the sector over the next little while, and we won\u2019t have the opportunity, so we will just knock out one of the struts of the strong New Zealand economy that we\u2019ve enjoyed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThen we come to Shane Jones, the so-called champion of the regions. I do feel sorry for \u201CMatua Shane\u201D, because his facial expressions today revealed the inner tensions of this Government. It must be dispiriting for him. He has been given $3 billion to walk around the country, to hand out cash, and to be the hero in the regions. He is going to be the hero in the regions. He\u2019s going to give them the money and give the regions what they want, but the money that he gives no way makes up for what will be drawn out of the regions by the series of Government decisions that have been made. Today is just one of the latest. So we have this bizarre idea that going to New Plymouth and giving them $150,000 to do some studies on clean energy somehow makes up for fundamentally undermining what is one of the largest pieces of their economy. When the mayor of the local region says it\u2019s a kick in the guts for Taranaki, I believe him more than I believe Shane Jones or Megan Woods or any of the others.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EWhat we\u2019re seeing is the incoherent nature of this Government, and it was very strange to hear Shane Jones talking about how this somehow demonstrated coherence. It doesn\u2019t demonstrate coherence. It means that on one day he goes into a region, gives them a little bit of money, and says, \u201CYou should be grateful.\u201D, and on the next day another Minister, from the Greens or Labour, comes along and says, \u201COh, by the way, we\u2019re stopping a big part of your economy.\u201D Where\u2019s the coherence in that? It\u2019s been repeated in so many other ways. We\u2019ve had Shane Jones saying, \u201CWe\u2019re going to invest in the regions.\u201D, and the next day Phil Twyford goes along and says, \u201CBut we\u2019re taking a whole lot of money out for rural transport. We\u2019re not going to build any roads of national significance any more, because we don\u2019t like them.\u201D Or when Shane Jones goes and says, \u201CWe\u2019re going to invest\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225f9198feb1534bbd97c9df9439e487c1\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Back to the debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022193125ff700e4962bb00119f15273ede\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The broader point that I was making is the incoherence of the Government\u2019s policy, and this oil and gas decision that we\u2019ve seen today is a prime example of the fact that they don\u2019t have a coherent economic development strategy for this country. And we see it time and time again. The classic example is foreign investment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f684420207f341ce959c755c423901c9\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Well, wait and see.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eab1c3aa0052498f8ad9f058434005f3\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: And yes, we\u2019ll wait and see. We\u2019ll be very interested to see the GDP figures and the estimates of those coming out over the next little while, to see how the New Zealand economy responds. It\u2019s only money, of course; yes, it\u2019s only jobs. That might not be so important, but it is important to the people that have the jobs and who need the money to pay for their children and to pay for their kids.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EMy colleagues have pointed out the folly, I suppose, of this decision from the environmental point of view, in the sense that it will increase the likelihood that New Zealand will have to import gas from around the world. I\u2019ve let them make the point, but the broader point that I\u2019m trying to make is that this is just another example of a Government that takes New Zealand\u2019s economic prosperity for granted and is thoughtlessly knocking out the foundations of that success that we\u2019ve enjoyed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ETo the New Zealanders out there who are sort of wondering about the consequences of all this, I\u2019d say to them to just be careful about the impact of these decisions. It\u2019s a very easy thing, to say, \u201COh well, we\u2019ll stop looking for oil and gas.\u201D Well, most people actually use oil and gas and will continue to for some time. It\u2019s an industry that\u2019s important to our economy. If you put the signal that you\u2019ve put out today, there will inevitably be far less investment in that sector over time. It won\u2019t just cruise along on autopilot for the next decade, like it started. It won\u2019t just cruise along, because people who are making investment decisions will be far less likely to invest, and the consequences will be that the regions of New Zealand will go backwards as a result of this. And yet, at the same time, the Government is running around talking about being the champions of the regions, and yet the policies that they bring in are pulling in the complete opposite direction. So this is yet another example of a Government that is incoherent, both economically and morally.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022d75acf70e2d547a689427d8e708347e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d75acf70e2d547a689427d8e708347e7\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Once upon a time, the National Party used to talk about being ambitious for New Zealand, being able to see a future for New Zealand where we had clean rivers, where we had clean air, and where we had good jobs that paid higher wages. Instead, what we just saw then, from Paul Goldsmith, was a 20th century party, reaching back to the 19th century to try and solve 21st century problems. That\u2019s the failure of ambition from that member. But perhaps we shouldn\u2019t be surprised because he wasn\u2019t even ambitious enough to try and win Epsom. So maybe we shouldn\u2019t be too surprised about getting that from Paul Goldsmith.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EMr Speaker, I know I shouldn\u2019t draw you into the debate, but I think you, of all people in this House, would know what happens when major change occurs in the economy and it\u2019s not planned, and there isn\u2019t a transition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243fbe18b4603436e9575664394789ae9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And the member won\u2019t draw me into the debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d855d6adf3934cdd8584e9e78d0b74e7\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right, and I\u2019m not drawing you into the debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022304cfcad9ab54b03bf4d92eb244bf4db\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019re not relitigating those caucus decisions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b6ecdd50562f4c8f8f0cd7f4819bb34e\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m glad we both agree that you\u2019re not being drawn into the debate. In the 1980s, in New Zealand we saw what happens when we don\u2019t manage transition and change. In this situation, we are planning the most thought-out transition for an industry that I believe New Zealand has ever seen. We are saying, to an industry that still has permits that will run into the 2030s, that we want to work with them and work with the communities that those industries work in, to manage a just transition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8f4a55765d64368aee1879f6ba5172f\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: 100,000 kilometres.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee4002802fce46f0a83707f83209691d\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right, 100,000 kilometres, more than 31 active exploration permits, all of which continue. They continue into tomorrow and next week and the week after in the Taranaki. Everybody will still be doing the same jobs. They will still be working in the same industries. But in 30 years\u2019 time they won\u2019t. In 30 years\u2019 time, Taranaki and regions around the world that rely on fossil fuels will have had to transition. This is a responsible Government that understands we have serious obligations to our planet and to our people, and that we will support those communities. We won\u2019t sign up to international agreements with no intention of actually doing anything to implement them, because that\u2019s what the previous Government did. We have heard lip-service for years from the National Party, when it comes to taking serious action on climate change. Now we have a Government that is prepared to do that and to manage the transition that is required in our communities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge all three parties that make up this Government in this decision. The New Zealand First Party is indeed the champion of the region. I feel it and hear it every single day, and I can confirm that Shane Jones had his head in his hands because he realised he had forgotten yet another one of his and Dot\u2019s anniversaries\u2014that\u2019s what it was. That\u2019s what it was today, and I apologise to Dot for that straight away.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EBut I thank the New Zealand First Party and I thank the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand for being a part of what is an important step today. We may come at this issue from different perspectives, but we share the goal that New Zealanders deserve to have high living standards and a quality of life that goes on for decades from now. It is not just our responsibility as politicians in this Parliament to think about the 24-hour news cycle; to think about how we can get a cheap hit with some voters in the provinces. It is time for politicians in this House to come together and face up to a future where we must move to a low-carbon economy where we can create high-paying jobs by being clever, by using our innovation, and by planning right now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EI believe this is a generational moment, and I see Mr Chris Bishop poised to stand up and take the next call. I would have thought, of all people in the National Party, he would get that future generations want what has happened today to happen. They want a Government that is prepared to look ahead, to plan, and to think about them and their children and their grandchildren still having the standards of living that they aspire to today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003ESimon Bridges has fallen at the first hurdle today. He said that he wanted an Opposition that would be more green, that would be more interested in environmental issues. He had the opportunity today to join with a Government that has a commitment to sustainability and he fell at the first hurdle. He didn\u2019t even get up today and say he would join in making sure New Zealand makes a just transition to a low-carbon economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EI am proud of what this Government has done today. I am proud of the work of the Prime Minister, who has made good on her commitment that when her nuclear-free moment came, she would show leadership. She has done that. This Government is proud that we are moving in a just way to a low-carbon economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022fe20e9be060c4fcfa4e9a3e22edb8b3d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fe20e9be060c4fcfa4e9a3e22edb8b3d\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E There\u2019s a very important question facing this House this afternoon: is it worth sacrificing our fourth-largest export earner, thousands of jobs, and millions of dollars of royalties and taxes to give the Prime Minister a talking point for her town hall meeting with Justin Trudeau? That\u2019s what this is all about. This is all about politics. It\u2019s not about good public policy for New Zealand, it\u2019s not about meeting our Kyoto or Paris obligations, it\u2019s not about helping the environment, and it most certainly is not about helping the economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EIsn\u2019t it interesting how the Prime Minister and her bevy of Minister delivered this? Was it in Taranaki, the region that will be most affected by the economically ruinous policy? No; it was at the Beehive theatrette and then up at Victoria University with crowds of adoring fans behind her. No guts to go to Taranaki and talk\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229fcbf9dbce5545e4a6d8624890545afc\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] No, I\u2019ll deal with it. The member will stand, withdraw, and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298a7fc81e87b403798948b25fdab6726\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise. The Prime Minister should have gone to Taranaki and gone to New Plymouth. She says that she\u2019s going as soon as she gets back from the United Kingdom. Well, how about not going to the United Kingdom and going to New Plymouth and standing and looking the people of Taranaki in the eye and saying, \u201CThis is a decision we\u2019re taking.\u201D? How about talking to the industry before the decision was made\u2014talking to the Petroleum Exploration and Production Association of New Zealand and talking to the players involved in the industry? What an appalling, outrageous process this Government has decided to follow as they cut the knees off one of our most successful export industries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EShane Jones, \u201CMatua Jones\u201D, was standing there today with all of his facial contortions, and he knows what I\u2019m saying is right. As he was standing there\u2014the first captain or the first leader, or whatever\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f86b7755df84b519faf37681a4896ce\u0022\u003ERt Hon David Carter\u003C/span\u003E: First citizen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e9ebf213860408cb9a28fb41ce7f235\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: First citizen\u2014whatever grand title the matua wants to give himself today about the regions. He knows that this is a hammer blow for Taranaki and a hammer blow for other regions that want to develop their petroleum resources.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EAs Judith Collins pointed out, there are 19 petroleum basins in New Zealand. We use one of them, and the one that we use is the most wealthiest part of the country. They pay double the average salary of every other region, and there are 7,000 jobs there dedicated to oil and gas and all of those downstream jobs. Can you imagine what it would be like if we developed another petroleum basin?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EMegan Woods, in a bit of cognitive dissonance, talked in her speech about how there\u2019s hundreds of thousands of kilometres of oil and gas to be explored. But which international oil company or petroleum company is going to come down here in the next few years, far away from supply lines and far away from the rest of the world, and spend their tens of millions of dollars when James Shaw and Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick and Golriz Ghahraman and the Greens are going around the world lauding this great policy about how we\u2019re cutting off oil and gas? No international investor is going to spend the money and spend the time. It\u2019s hard enough to get them down here to start with, because we\u2019re so far away and we\u2019re known as a wildcat destination in the oil and gas game. Well, no one\u2019s going to come down here now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EAll of their exhortations about how there\u2019ll still be jobs and we\u2019re not cutting off the existing permits and don\u2019t worry about it\u2014all of that is hollow. The headlines the Prime Minister is generating in the Financial Times and The Guardian, and all of the headlines she\u2019ll get when she goes to the United Kingdom about how it\u2019s the nuclear-free moment and all of these silly phrases\u2014all of these headlines she gets are exactly what she wants, but the damage to New Zealand is incalculable. The damage will be in that international investor interest drying up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThis is economic vandalism. This is our fourth-largest export earner\u2014thousands of jobs. This is economic vandalism. The worst thing is that it is economic vandalism for no environmental gain. Stopping the export of oil from New Zealand does not mean that the countries we export it to stop using oil; they just don\u2019t buy it from New Zealand. They don\u2019t stop burning oil, they just don\u2019t burn ours, and they don\u2019t pay the money to us that comes back to the Government through royalties and taxes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EIt doesn\u2019t help us meet our Paris obligations. Stopping the export of oil does not help us meet our Paris obligations. We don\u2019t burn the oil. We don\u2019t accumulate the cost. The companies in countries that buy it do. What this does do is stop New Zealand making our contribution on the world stage of gas as a transition fuel. I hope in other debates in this House I\u2019ll get a chance to talk about this. This is economic vandalism of the worst order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u0022e97d39e6461044029aa6ba81a7a495e5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e97d39e6461044029aa6ba81a7a495e5\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Attorney-General):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I respond, firstly, to a couple of points the last speaker, Chris Bishop, made. He accused Labour Party politicians of not having the fortitude to go to Taranaki\u2014Andrew Little is there tonight at a public meeting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EMr Bishop accused the Prime Minister of going on some flight of fancy into the United Kingdom and then Europe in her forthcoming trip\u2014the focus of that trip is to try and unlock the start of trade negotiations with both the United Kingdom and the European Union. The European Union negotiation has not even started\u2014the prior Government could not get it across the start line. The Prime Minister, whilst meeting with the President of France, Mr Macron, and with Angela Merkel, is trying to advance New Zealand\u2019s trade interests and start that process. It is not some fluffy trip for photo opportunities as the last speaker would say.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThe other point that the National Party members seem to forget is that their own leader says that New Zealand needs to start a transition away from burning fossil fuels and producing fossil fuels. He said it in an interview on The Nation, which was his first interview post his election to the position of leader of the National Party. He said, \u201CWe must start a transition.\u201D And the first time he gets an opportunity to stand up as the leader of the National Party and actually implement that by starting a transition he fails\u2014he says we ought not to start a transition. He says we ought to just put our head down and continue the way we have been going for years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThis is a transition that will take many decades. As other speakers have already said, there are many thousands of kilometres\u2014indeed, 100,000 square kilometres\u2014of offshore prospects already licensed for prospecting in New Zealand. None of them stops. I\u2019ve heard comments to the contrary from members of the Opposition, so I want to read today from one of the notifications to the New Zealand stock exchange from one of New Zealand\u2019s major oil and gas producers, and explorers made since the announcement was made by the Government this morning, and I quote\u2014this is from New Zealand Oil and Gas: \u201CThe government\u2019s announcement will not have any immediate impact on the operations or financial position of the company. Potentially transformational New Zealand Oil \u0026amp; Gas exploration prospects in the Canterbury and Great South Basins are unaffected by today\u2019s announcement and the company is continuing to market these world-class prospects.\u201D It\u2019s hard to reconcile that with the rhetoric that we\u2019ve heard from the National Party this afternoon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003ETime and again, in my experience in this House\u2014and I\u2019ve been here for 16 years\u2014I\u2019ve heard these irreconcilable statements from the National Party about how we need to do things environmentally but we mustn\u2019t do this. I\u2019ve got before me a video clip that was self-titled by the Hon Gerry Brownlee when he was the Opposition spokesperson for energy and I was the Minister of Energy. He put up this video newsletter\u2014which, to his eternal shame, lasts, on YouTube. You just need to google \u201Csexy coal Brownlee\u201D and you will find it. This is what he put up. [Holds still image from video] He put up this\u2014this is the first part of his video blog. It says, \u201CChapter one. Sexy Coal\u201D. That was what he labelled it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003ENow, at that time, the last Labour Government\u2014and I was the Minister of Energy at the time\u2014wanted to do something about cleaning up our electricity sector. Renewable electricity had dropped to 64 percent of generation and was going down, and we wanted it to go up. So we had a large number of measures. We invested in the grid, we priced carbon, we told the State-owned enterprises to invest in renewables, we eased consenting for renewables, and we set New Zealand on the path for 90 percent renewables by 2025. Indeed, we\u2019re actually now up at 84 percent, in a recent quarter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab524a7daae043838617c926153c374e\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right. That was us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281ea5fd9cd594de6bf9c26c1b790527d\u0022\u003ETim van de Molen\u003C/span\u003E: Great work from our last Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228dc4552c7eb848d5977a4d437c615294\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, actually, that\u2019s an interesting question. So what did National say? Well, they said it was impossible, and they said the country would face an energy gap that they showed on that graph there. [Holds up graph] And the energy gap was going to be filled with what? Ah, it was going to be, according to Gerry Brownlee, filled with coal. He thought we would need coal. He said the lights would go out if we didn\u2019t produce coal. He said\u2014in fact, he promised\u2014that they would do away with the target of 90 percent renewables by 2025, and he got into power and he started to do that. Then he told New Zealanders, \u201COh, look, in order to achieve that, we\u2019re going to need to mine a bit of coal in the national parks.\u201D, and tens of thousands of New Zealanders marched against him in the streets. And what happened? Mr Brownlee was removed from the portfolio of energy and it was given to Hekia Parata, and Hekia Parata had the good sense to keep the 90 percent target and keep the settings that the prior Labour Government had set. And now we\u2019re just about at 90 percent renewables.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022daae876fa25e4e6e9df222c1e3e78fec\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m going to ask the member now to actually get back to the current decision.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221fee3265cddc42ee8c1d2f8b2a2ce274\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: And now we\u2019re at 90 percent renewables without having to use thermal fuels.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003ENow, the next fuel, they say, that is necessary for us to meet our renewable and our energy targets is gas. They\u2019re just wrong. Yes, in the next decade or two we will need some gas. Some of it will go to industrial heat. Decreasing quantities of it will go to electricity. Some of it will be used for the production of methanol. But we are in a transition away from fossil fuels to renewables.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EIf you want to follow the rest of it, there was some great pillorying of Gerry Brownlee by Lucy Lawless and others. That\u2019s the other video you\u2019ll turn up. But it shows that if you actually show some vision, if you create some investment certainty for those that are investing their private capital in New Zealand, they will follow the money, they will follow the signal, and you will get alignment of economic outcome with environmental outcome as we already have in electricity. Now the new Government is plotting the course to go from 90 percent renewable electricity to 100 percent, and we don\u2019t need gas to do it. And indeed, if you were using gas, you wouldn\u2019t get there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThe next thing I would point out is that they say Fonterra needs gas as a bridging fuel to go from coal for the milk dehydration in the South Island to renewables eventually. Well, maybe they do. Maybe they\u2019ll get that out of that New Zealand Oil and Gas prospect. I suspect history will show they won\u2019t need that. I think that they will go direct from coal to renewables. In fact, I\u2019ve had one of the CEOs of the largest generators in New Zealand saying they think that\u2019s the way it\u2019s going to go, because the cost of wind power is coming down. They don\u2019t think we\u2019ll need gas to get Fonterra off coal. They think they\u2019ll go direct to renewables. This is how a transition works.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003ELastly, in the time I\u2019ve got available, I want to talk about how important it is that you invest in the right things for the future, not the wrong things for the future. If you invest in the wrong things for the future, you waste your capital because you create a stranded asset risk. If you over-invest in gas and oil in the next few years in New Zealand, you risk wasting that money before the end of the economic life of those assets.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThe Japanese are down here already, about to experiment on the production of hydrogen, to produce hydrogen or the transportable form of hydrogen, which is ammonia, in order to export fuel from renewable sources. Why? Why are they coming to New Zealand? Because they think that New Zealand may be the lowest-cost source in the world of clean, transportable energy sources from renewable sources. They\u2019re not coming for our gas or our coal; they\u2019re coming because they think we\u2019ve got a renewables future. It is very possible that one of New Zealand\u2019s points of comparative advantage in the world in the future is to use our renewables to produce alternative fuels like hydrogen, which we could export. Did you hear a word of that from the National Party? No, those Luddites have got their head down the coalmine still, and they think, well, if they pull it out of that they\u2019ll put it down a gas hole.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EWe are in a transition to a clean future. It will be a just transaction. The lights will not go out. The last thing is that I won\u2019t be lectured by Mr Goldsmith about economic prospects. When he was in Government he dropped exports from 30 percent of the economy to 27 percent of the economy, against the promise to increase them to 40 percent. That\u2019s failure. We need new points of comparative advantage in the world to grow new exports of goods and services. Statoil\u2019s pulling out of New Zealand; BP\u2019s already gone; Shell\u2019s on the way. They know that the future is not fossil fuels.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThe debate having concluded, the motion lapsed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00226622b8084e4d4d9dae5a13a23b6de709\u0022\u003EAppointments\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221dd4de888d1249dda244d77c410abce1\u0022\u003EController and Auditor-General\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022686fd9183f724d4fadecfc7e1f6da324\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022686fd9183f724d4fadecfc7e1f6da324\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That pursuant to section 7(2) and clause 1 of Schedule 3 of the Public Audit Act 2001, the House recommend to the Governor-General that John Michael Ryan of Raumati be appointed as Controller and Auditor-General for a term not exceeding seven years, commencing on 2 July 2018.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThe Controller and Auditor-General is an Officer of Parliament appointed by this House, so stands apart from the machinery of local and central government. The role is central to the maintenance of New Zealand\u2019s reputation as a world leader in terms of integrity and transparency of our political and public life. I\u2019m happy to endorse the appointment of John Ryan as the new holder of that office.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThe selection process has been managed by the Officers of Parliament Committee. Mr Ryan was selected from an exceptionally talented field. He is currently the deputy director-general of the Ministry for Primary Industries. Previously, he\u2019s held senior positions in both public and private sectors, including deputy chief executive of the Ministry of Justice and chief executive of the Building Industry Authority. He has a background in accounting and assurance, working in financial auditing, litigation support, acquisitions, and divestments in New Zealand and overseas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThe Auditor-General\u2019s role is to improve the performance of, and public trust in, the public sector. John Ryan brings to the role of Controller and Auditor-General the experience and qualities necessary to achieve this. His nomination has been supported by all the parties represented in this House, and I ask the House to support this motion recommending his appointment to the Governor-General.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022827809ab3d1a4b4ab8cd7b648b975be2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022827809ab3d1a4b4ab8cd7b648b975be2\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY (National\u2014East Coast):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you for the opportunity\u2014the rare opportunity\u2014to speak in the House, and I speak in support of the appointment of John Ryan as our new Controller and Auditor-General.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003ECan I start by paying tribute to the current deputy, Greg Schollum, who has acted in capacity with both jobs for probably almost 12 months. He has delivered to this Parliament and to New Zealand outstanding service, and we owe him a huge debt of gratitude.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EI was very pleased that the role certainly attracted a very high calibre of applicants with a wide variety of interests, experience, and expertise. That says a lot for New Zealand and the high regard that this Parliament and this role has in our democracy. It was interesting that, of all the candidates that were interviewed, there were some common themes: first of all, the critical importance of this role to our democracy, and, again, to echo the Leader of the House, the high regard that New Zealand is held in for its integrity and for its lack of corruption. There were a number of points made around the changing technology and expectations of skills needed in the role of the Audit Office. They all talked about taking a much more proactive way of identifying risks before they happen, and working with some of those public sectors to avoid the risks rather than just being reactive and reporting on what had gone wrong. So they were common themes across all of the applicants that were interviewed, which I found quite interesting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EBut Mr Ryan has an outstanding record of work across a wide range of the public sector. He has worked in corrections; he\u2019s worked in health, arts, culture and heritage, justice, and, more recently, the Ministry for Primary Industries. The vision of an auditor is often a person who is very dry, perhaps unexciting, focused on figures, and some would say a little boring, perhaps. So it\u2019s quite cool, I think, to think that we have a man proposed for this role who has a different side to him and has been involved in the arts, and particularly jazz and ballet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EI am confident that this recommendation to the Governor-General will provide New Zealand with an excellent Controller and Auditor-General, to lead an outstanding team in our audit office, to maintain the essentials of our democracy: integrity, transparency, and public entities that we as parliamentarians and the whole of New Zealand can have confidence in, that will operate effectively, efficiently, and appropriately, using public funds wisely and free from corruption. I have no hesitation in recommending this man to the Governor-General.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u00221d4d9e6963dc4d0b94d407108ed1c2cb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221d4d9e6963dc4d0b94d407108ed1c2cb\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I rise on behalf of New Zealand First to make a short contribution to congratulate John Michael Ryan of Raumati for his appointment as Controller and Auditor-General. The position of Controller and Auditor-General has been vacant since Martin Matthews\u2019 departure in 2017. Mr Ryan has previously been Deputy Director-General of Corporate Services at the Ministry for Primary Industries. He also held the role of Executive Director of Corporate Services for the Capital and Coast, Hutt Valley, and Wairarapa District Health Boards (DHBs), during the time when I was actually fortunate enough to have been appointed by the Government of the day on to two of those DHBs and having worked on the third one of them, so I am quite familiar with Mr Ryan\u2019s work ethics and expertise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First acknowledges the hard work of Greg Schollum, Deputy Controller and Auditor-General, his leadership team, and the wider Office of the Controller and Auditor-General while Parliament has carried out the lengthy and thorough process to appoint a new Auditor-General.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThe Office of the Auditor-General plays a key role in auditing New Zealand\u2019s public entities, providing independent assurance that the public entities are operating and accounting for their performance properly and appropriately. Therefore, New Zealand First wishes the incoming Controller and Auditor-General the very best in his new role, and we look forward to seeing how he makes his mark on that organisation. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022 data-id=\u0022b711fe5898bc459097ce1a11a68f2e6d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b711fe5898bc459097ce1a11a68f2e6d\u0022\u003EGARETH HUGHES (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Speaker. Ng\u0101 mihi nui ki a koutou. Kia ora. I rise on behalf of the Green Party to support the motion. New Zealand is a country which prides itself on its low international corruption rankings and its financial accountability and propriety. This is especially so in the public sphere. Our prosperity as a nation, in fact, depends upon this, and international research has shown how important the accountability and transparency of institutions is to a nation\u2019s success.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EWhen it comes to the tens of billions of dollars of taxpayers\u2019 money spent every year, the role of the Controller and Auditor-General is a keystone in the foundation of New Zealand\u2019s future. The Green Party is happy to support John Ryan as the new Controller and Auditor-General and looks forward to strong leadership, demonstrating appropriate norms across Crown entities, and taking advantage, and also grappling with, of new technologies like artificial intelligence and big data. We\u2019d like to acknowledge the leadership shown by deputy Greg Schollum over the last year in difficult circumstances. We are happy to support the motion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225ed48f80c9f846cb89228f4bda491521\u0022\u003ENg\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bd6e8ff6731f4be2a3f8dcaf58e5c9ce\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u0022f5ab18ea9afc4ccc85828d4cb0a34f20\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f5ab18ea9afc4ccc85828d4cb0a34f20\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS (Minister for Crown/M\u0101ori Relations)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: I move, That the Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki Claims Settlement Bill be now read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki Claims Settlement Bill represents the continued effort by the Crown to remedy the wrongs of its past actions towards Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki. Just to give some historical context of the claim, Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki are an iwi centred around Maraetai and are members of both the T\u0101maki and Hauraki collectives. Their interests extend into T\u0101maki-makau-rau, across Hauraki, and include coastlines, harbours, and islands in and around the Waitemat\u0101 Harbour and T\u012Bkapa Moana, which is the M\u0101ori translation for the Hauraki Gulf. Significant ancestral and cultural sites for Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki include Motutapu Island, Maraetai, and the Hunua ranges. Fossilised human footprints dating from 600 years ago discovered on Motutapu demonstrate the deep and long-lasting connection between Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki and the whenua.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003ENg\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki have suffered breaches of Te Tiriti o Waitangi through unfair land transactions. These land transactions during the 1830s were intended by Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki to foster mutually beneficial relationships with Europeans. However, the actual result, once they were implemented post-1840, was large blocks of land being sold to private purchasers and the Crown failing to protect and reserve land for Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki. The culmination of these breaches of Te Tiriti has meant that Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki have been alienated from much of their ancestral lands, which has challenged the iwi\u2019s traditional structure and has had negative intergenerational effects on the people of Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe Crown has failed to adequately address the grievances arising from its actions until now. The deed of settlement signed between the Crown and Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki in 2015 addresses these grievances. The proposed bill gives effect to those elements of the deed which require statute. The importance of this bill in fostering and mending relations between the Crown and Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki should not be understated. Settlement negotiations were first sought in 1989. The deed of settlement for Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki was signed on 7 November 2015. Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki have had to endure delays in the progression of this bill, and I acknowledge this has been tough and upsetting for Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, so it is wonderful to now be presenting the bill for its second reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to extend my thanks to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee for their work and effort in the consideration of this bill. Thirteen written submissions were received by the committee from members of the public, iwi, and council. Six submitters wished to speak to their submissions at hearings held in Auckland in February. I thank the committee for reading and listening to these submissions and for carefully considering whether these should result in any changes to this bill. After this examination and consideration, the committee have not recommended any substantive amendments to the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019ll not take up the whole time allocated for me to speak to the bill, as I do not wish to delay its progress a moment longer. I look forward to this bill advancing towards the third reading. While no amount of redress will ever be enough to compensate for the wrongs of the past, this is a step towards acknowledgment, recognition, and reconciliation. I hope that it can allow for Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki to have confidence moving forward. Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022 data-id=\u0022b17f025473d743e5b1780218a0de763f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b17f025473d743e5b1780218a0de763f\u0022\u003ENUK KORAKO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. Ko t\u0113nei pire n\u0101 Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki Claims Settlement Bill. N\u014D reira, t\u014Dku mihi ki ng\u0101 uri o Hui Kaiwaka o Tara Te Irirangi o ng\u0101 t\u016Bpuna katoa o Ng\u0101i Tai e noho ana koutou ki te whenua tapu, t\u014Du whenua \u0101taahua hoki ki Maraetai t\u016B mai te whare nunui m\u0101 runga o Te Marae o Umupuia. N\u014D reira, e koutou r\u0101 o ng\u0101 rangatira o te iwi o Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, ng\u0101 mihi, ng\u0101 mihi, ng\u0101 mihi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. This bill is the Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki Claims Settlement Bill. Therefore, I greet the descendants of Hui Kaiwaka, of Tara Te Irirangi, of all the ancestors of Ng\u0101i Tai who live on the sacred land, your beautiful land at Maraetai where the great house of Umupuia Marae stands. Therefore, to you the chiefs of the people of Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, greetings, greetings, greetings.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EWe are now at the working end of the Treaty settlement process for Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki. I had the privilege, actually, of chairing the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee as we considered the settlement for Ng\u0101i Tai. I also have the privilege to remain a member of that committee with the change of Government. On that note, I\u2019d like to acknowledge our chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, Rino Tirikatene, for his chairmanship of our committee, and also to acknowledge the former Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, the Hon Christopher Finlayson, who has been very much at the forefront of so many of the settlements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EIt was indeed a privilege to sit at the select committee hearings as we worked through the settlement with Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki. Just to reiterate again\u2014particularly because the previous speaker, the Hon Kelvin Davis, actually gave us very much an overview of the journey of this particular settlement\u2014I want to, actually, just put some more context into what he was actually saying. So, first of all, yes we did\u2014we received and considered 13 submissions, as well as hearing oral evidence from six submitters at the hearings in T\u0101maki-makau-rau and also Te Whanga-nui-a-Tara.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003ENow, there are a number of critical features to this settlement that came up during the submission process. The first one\u2014and it\u2019s so often the case in Treaty settlements\u2014is actually around overlapping claims. The overlapping claim situation did actually, obviously, arise in this particular settlement. Ng\u0101ti Wai is concerned, really, that the settlements to Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki that fall within their shared area of interests may impact on Ng\u0101ti Wai discussions with the Crown at future dates.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EBut can I first acknowledge the shared area of interest and Ng\u0101ti Wai\u2019s position, because, having had to deal with overlapping claims\u2014we know them so well, even within our own iwi of Kai Tahu\u2014I\u2019m well aware of the concerns that arise and the impact, actually\u2014the real impact\u2014on actual relationships.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EIn this particular settlement, we actually saw that in some ways. We know that it\u2019s never easy for the Crown to manage these in Treaty negotiations. Indeed, we often find ourselves looking at something like they call \u201CSolomon\u2019s choice\u201D. But, accordingly, I think we need to take reassurance, though, from the Office of Treaty Settlements with this particular settlement, in that the agreements to amend the protocol areas could be implemented without an amendment to the bill in front of the House today. So can I also possibly suggest, humbly, that Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki and Ng\u0101ti Wai share a history of whakapapa that sees them in a really strong position to establish protocols amongst themselves that may not actually require the Crown. So instead of having the Crown being involved in trying to sort out these overlapping issues, I think it\u2019s listening to the submitters. There is some real opportunity, I believe\u2014and particularly because of the whakapapa links between Ng\u0101i Tai and also Ng\u0101ti Wai\u2014that they could perhaps work them through in that wonderful process that we have of tikaka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThe next part of it I want to come to\u2014so we have overlapping claims, which was an issue that came up. The next one is around the commercial redress. The commercial redress\u2014there\u2019s been quite a bit of concern from Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki. We\u2019ve had to consider a claim for damages from the Crown as a consequence of the two-year gap. So there\u2019s been a two-year gap, actually, between the signing of the deed of settlement and then the introduction of this bill into the House in August 2017.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EBut what should be noted is that the value of the deferred selection procedure sale and the lease-back and the right of first refusal properties has actually exceeded the settlement quantum. In doing that, that excess there cut through the settlement since day one. So, equally, the purchase of those properties by Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki\u2014they will have a strategic and commercial advantage to the iwi that many other outsiders of T\u0101maki-makau-rau will actually gaze at and look at in envy. So Ng\u0101i Tai, then, have already shown themselves to be really astute commercial operators. We\u2019ve actually seen that. I have no doubt that they will actually have the potential, as joint-venture partners at their doorstep, looking to assist the iwi in realising the opportunities that they had before.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003ENo doubt the advance\u2014because there\u2019s been an advance, actually, on this particular settlement of $5.5 million of settlement funds, which will have been put to good commercial use, which we know, and then also delivering the financial returns that should then offset the rise in the capital values of the commercial redress properties, and that\u2019s pretty much relatively speaking. Equally, I\u2019m mindful of Musick Point or, as it\u2019s called now, Te Naupata. There is actually a big opportunity there as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003ESo this is an interesting offer that has been accepted by Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki in its settlement package. I acknowledge that there is this thing that always comes up again in Treaty settlements, and it\u2019s called perpetual leases. These perpetual leases, they really do present a challenge to all iwi, not just Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki but all iwi. So the perpetual leases have been the bane of many iwi, as I said\u2014Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki is no different. So I have no doubt that Ng\u0101i Tai will have a plan as to how to work with the leaseholder to realise the full value of the opportunity they have before them. When we look then at the Homestead Drive property on Maungarei, that\u2019s very, very challenging, as we know, but Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki acknowledges its whakawhanauka links to the Marut\u016B\u0101hu Collective and broadly works within them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003ESo in looking at that particular issue and then, also, the concerns that have been raised around the quantum itself\u2014now, we know that in Treaty settlements, you know, looking through the history of Treaty settlements, iwi would never ever receive the full compensation that they actually should get. It\u2019s more cents in the dollars as opposed to dollars. This particular claim, I want to also note, is no exception either. So what we need to acknowledge too is that this settlement is not the end but the beginning for this iwi, and it\u2019s been a very, very long road. Overlapping claims\u2014there have been commercial quantums and perpetual leases, but, in saying that, this particular claim, I hope, will be able to find its journey to the end, the committee stage to the third reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI wish Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki\u2014and I see some of the rakatira actually in the gallery today. I wish you well, particularly once we can continue this journey through to the end and the final settlement that you wholeheartedly deserve as an iwi. So, on that note, I really do take pleasure in saying to Ng\u0101i Tai: \u201CKia kaha, kia kaha, kia maia. N\u014D reira e koutou r\u0101, e mihi atu ki a koutou katoa.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E[\u201CStay strong, stay strong, be staunch. Therefore, to all of you, greetings one and all.\u201D]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u002290739358f6684aa0a893b2ce87ae851b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002290739358f6684aa0a893b2ce87ae851b\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Assistant Speaker. I too stand wholeheartedly in support of this settlement bill at its second reading. Can I acknowledge the two previous speakers, because they covered quite fully some of the background issues that we confronted as a committee. As the chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, it is indeed an honour to be able to travel the length and breadth of the country to visit territories, iwi districts, which are not familiar to me. Indeed, I\u2019d like to acknowledge Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki for the warm welcome they put on for us up there at Jet Park, near Auckland Airport.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThis is another important step that we\u2019re taking for Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki in their settlement. It is very important that we listen to the oral presentations especially, in addition to the written presentations that are presented to us as a committee. So I do acknowledge all of the submitters that appeared before us, in particular, obviously Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, and the good work that they\u2019ve achieved right throughout their settlement process. I do acknowledge, though, that not everyone is entirely happy with every little aspect of these settlements, but I think that that is a common occurrence throughout every settlement that is settled right throughout the country. I do acknowledge that at least this was a good opportunity for them to present their concerns.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EJust picking up on perhaps the big issue that we confronted as a committee, and that was the overlapping claims, which have been touched on by Tutehounuku, and I acknowledge Ng\u0101ti Wai, who also attended our meeting up there in Auckland to present, very strongly, their views. I guess Crown policy around how the Crown is dealing with these overlapping interests is really called into question, but it\u2019s not really reflective of the actual individual iwi that are involved. What we have here\u2014and it\u2019s a fact of life with every settlement\u2014is that there are going to be overlapping interests and there will be shared areas of interest among iwi. Maybe it\u2019s just two iwi, maybe it could be a multitude of iwi. So that is a fact of life. That is an issue or a matter that the Crown has to deal with.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ENow, ideally, these matters in an ideal world would be dealt with by mutual agreement between the various iwi. I know that attempts were made and discussions were had between Ng\u0101ti Wai and Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki around Ng\u0101ti Wai\u2019s concerns that their area of interest and the granting of protocols and other instruments under the Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki settlement were included within Ng\u0101ti Wai\u2019s tribal domain. Although those discussions didn\u2019t actually end up in an agreement, I think it actually laid a good groundwork for the future, because it\u2019s one thing to be able to finalise and enact these settlements but what these merely are are just a means by which iwi can be recapitalised and can re-emerge and interact with each other.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo these interactions between iwi must continue. They must continue into the future. It\u2019s inevitable. They\u2019re all part of the communities that they each belong to. So I\u2019m sure that those conversations will continue to evolve and develop and take place right across T\u0101maki, because if you look at T\u0101maki-makau-rau\u2014and this is one thing that is quite staggering to me, from the south, where there is one iwi to the south and eight at the top\u2014there is a multitude of iwi. When we look at the maunga settlement, I believe there\u2019s about 13 iwi included in that, and then you\u2019ve got Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, which has been included. They\u2019re also part of the Waikato-Tainui and they\u2019ve been included through their connections to Waikato-Tainui.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThey also have connections to Hauraki, and I believe there\u2019s about 12 iwi that make up the Hauraki Collective. So there are a large number of iwi that are centred in our largest metropolitan city, in Auckland.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f27e3efc199247cc8574b73c68790e21\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I\u2019m sorry to interrupt the member. Can I just ask the Green member to\u2014thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8320ee0c98f4f0f9d2474aa9471ad32\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE\u003C/span\u003E: So there are a range of iwi in T\u0101maki, and what we\u2019re doing here is just re-asserting the mana of Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki through the passage of their settlement legislation, and we mustn\u2019t forget that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThe population of Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, based on the last census, came in at barely 500, and I think that, in itself, can explain the loss that has been sustained by that iwi. I\u2019m sure by us taking these measures, such as through this settlement legislation, it is a means by which we can see the emergence of Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, and it was evidenced by the presentations that were given. It was very moving to hear from various wh\u0101nau members of Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki and of the importance of them reconnecting with their marae, their ancestral landscapes, their moana, their mountains, and their whanaunga. So that was very encouraging to hear when we sat as a committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI just want to touch on, in my remaining time, the other issues that were raised. One in particular was around the health and safety obligations, actually. Under the settlement, Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki will actually be the administering body of reserves, quite a number of reserves, throughout Auckland. I believe there are 13 in total, but 11 will be coming under the authority of Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki. Obviously, with rights come responsibilities. Now, these are ancestral lands, but, as part of the arrangement, it wasn\u2019t, you know, that the Crown had to give something but also impose something.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki will be the administering body of those reserves, but that calls into question responsibilities that will be imposed on Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki. This was a matter just to bear in mind for the future, whether it is to do with the T\u016Bpuna Maunga reserves, which are jointly administered between Auckland Council and the maunga collective body, or whether it\u2019s these individual properties and reserves\u2014and I hope to go and visit and venture across them at some stage. But again, the future will mean that the iwi will be in charge of all aspects in terms of the tracks, the barriers and the like, and the health and safety obligations. So that was one thing that was brought to our attention.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ELastly, there is the matter of the homestead property\u2014Mount Wellington or Maungarei\u2014which is a taonga for Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki. Yes, given the shortage of land available in Auckland, a portion of that site has been set aside for other settlements. There is also the issue of a Glasgow lease on a golf course, which was also part of that. A significant portion of the property, though, will be going to Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, and I do note again the issues raised by having to deal with the vexed issue of the Glasgow leases and the actual injustices that they inflict on the parties. But, aside from that, I have enjoyed working on this bill with our committee members, and I do support this bill at its second reading. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022 data-id=\u00229ba80b60559e4bf4b18658ca9956f636\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229ba80b60559e4bf4b18658ca9956f636\u0022\u003EJO HAYES (National):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Madam Assistant Speaker. I stand to take a call on the second reading of the Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki Claims Settlement Bill. Firstly, I want to send a mihi out to those from the iwi that are sitting up there, ng\u0101 rangatira o te iwi o Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki: nau mai, haere mai. It\u2019s really good to have you in the House, for you to take the time to be here to listen to this: our contributions today. I want to thank you, Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, for your patience in this whole process. I can assure you that the light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter and brighter, and the conclusion is really not very far away for you to have the bill receive its Royal assent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI want to also acknowledge Rino Tirikatene, the chair of our M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, for his leadership in getting us to this place and chairing the submissions process. As well, I also want to recognise our previous chair, Nuk Korako, from the select committee, as well as the Hon Chris Finlayson, who started this whole process in 2016.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EMuch of the discussions that have happened previously with the other three speakers have covered a lot of ground, and I just want to take some time out to add a little bit more of some of the information. As you heard from the Minister for Crown/M\u0101ori Relations, the Hon Kelvin Davis, in his contribution, once we went through the submission process and the report process the bill came back with relatively little change to it, which was good for the committee, and it actually lessened any further stress for Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EBut one of the areas was the deeds of recognition, and these were covering five key areas: the Mataitai Forest Conservation Area, the M\u0101taitai Scenic Reserve, the Papa Turoa Scenic Reserve, the Stony Batter Historic Reserve, and the Whakatiri Scenic Reserve. So these are areas that require the Crown to consult with Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki to have a special association with those sites or places.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThe other areas which have been covered off have been the place name changes, and also some areas around relationship agreements between the Minister of Conservation and the Ministry for the Environment, and Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki. I think that is a really important point in all of our Treaty bills\u2014that iwi have that direct relationship with both of those ministries and Ministers to be able to help to co-manage a lot of the reserves, as outlined by the previous speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI just want to cover a little bit around the deferred selection properties. These are some of the properties that Ng\u0101i Tai have the opportunity to purchase, and one of them was actually outlined by the previous speaker\u2014the golf club\u2014as part of the Glasgow leases, but it\u2019s working through that. The other areas whereby Ng\u0101i Tai will have the opportunity to purchase after a specific period of time post-settlement are the Macleans College site, which is 13 hectares, which is leased back to the Crown; the Glen Innes Police Station, which is another lease back to the Crown; the Manukau area community probation centre; and, of course, the golf club at Musick Point, the Howick Golf Club, which is 37.3 hectares.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThere are so many areas within this bill whereby Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki will be able to exercise its tino rangatiratanga through this bill and lay claim to those lands that were taken from them all those years ago. It\u2019s like every other bill, as I stand up here and say that, you know, the money is not as much as what people may think it should be. It should be more, but at the end of the day, it\u2019s actually what you get back and what you do with that money that actually counts. It is about giving back to the iwi and trying to right the wrongs. We will never get right back to the original days of when the land was stolen, but these are first good steps forward, and I am very pleased and happy to commend the bill to the House. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u00223c67ebe8366d4fd791acdd146e259ef8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223c67ebe8366d4fd791acdd146e259ef8\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Associate Minister for M\u0101ori Development):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Madam Assistant Speaker. Tuatahi he tika me mihi ki a koutou Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki ng\u0101 mihi ki a k\u014Drua tae mai nei i t\u0113nei w\u0101, whakarangatira i a m\u0101tou i t\u0113nei w\u0101; h\u014Dnore nui ki te t\u016B i mua i a k\u014Drua i t\u0113nei w\u0101. Ng\u0101 mihi, ng\u0101 mihi ki a k\u014Drua. Haramai, nau mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EKi a k\u014Drua Te R\u014Dp\u016B N\u0101hinara, ng\u0101 mihi ki a k\u014Drua m\u014D t\u014D mahi i ng\u0101 w\u0101 o mua ki te k\u014Dkiri i t\u0113nei kaupapa, ng\u0101 mihi, ng\u0101 mihi ki a koe e hoa; me koe hoki, Rino, ng\u0101 mihi ki a koe; me tika ki te mihi ki Te Minita i ng\u0101 w\u0101 o mua, Chris Finlayson i t\u0113nei w\u0101. N\u014D reira koutou katoa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Firstly, it is only right to greet those of you from Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, I greet you two who have come here and honour us with your presence; I am honoured to stand before you both at this time. Greetings, greetings, welcome, welcome.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ETo both of you from the National Party, I acknowledge the work that you have already done to advance this matter, well done to you my friend, and to you Rino, greetings to you, and it is appropriate to acknowledge at this time the former Minister, Chris Finlayson. Therefore, greetings, greetings, greetings to one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s always a pleasure to take calls on these types of bills. So I need to start by just acknowledging the Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki negotiators, and I mihi to them for reaching this part of the settlement journey.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EA lot of the k\u014Drero has been said, but I think in terms of acknowledgments, too, I\u2019d like to acknowledge, obviously, the negotiators and people who have played a part, but also in terms of our M\u0101ori radio media network, and, in particular, my own station, Radio Waatea, which played quite a part in it too, as a sort of mediator and facilitator of this k\u014Drero. A lot of k\u014Drero went down from National and our side in terms of the rights and wrongs of this settlement. So I absolutely mihi to our iwi station, Waatea, for facilitating much of that, and also my friend and brother Dale Husband, who\u2019s been a kaik\u014Drero with many people in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EAlso today, I want to mihi to one of our matua, Apirana Mahuika, who was a strategic adviser during this kaupapa, and an uncle and whanaunga to some of us in the House. He was a man of much brilliance in m\u0101tauranga, and he gave a lot of advice to the tribe through the process. So never forget the contribution of that uncle, who was inspirational, not just to Ng\u0101i Tai, but to many of us in Te Ao M\u0101ori. N\u014D reira e te p\u0101p\u0101, moe mai, moe mai, moe mai r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Therefore, sir, rest in peace.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EFor Ng\u0101i Tai, the loss of communal ancestral lands had a severe impact on their traditional tribal structure. Families left landless or with uneconomic land blocks had insufficient means to support themselves. From the 1880s, Ng\u0101i Tai increasingly left Umupuia in search of work. This dispersal of Ng\u0101i Tai alienated many wh\u0101nau and their descendants, not only from their lands but from their iwi identity. This led to the loss of customary traditions, tribal authority, and te reo me \u014Dna tikanga o Ng\u0101i Tai, so it\u2019s only right and proper that we\u2019re here today as part of the journey in terms of correcting the wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s an opportunity for us to be reflective on what these grievances actually are rectifying. So that\u2019s why I take heart when I hear some of the k\u014Drero from both sides, from our former chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee Nuk Korako, who talked about these settlements not at all being any compensation for the past wrong, and from our current chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, Rino Tirikatene.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EFor Ng\u0101i Tai, the ability for them to be self-sustaining and prosperous was removed all those years ago, and had that not occurred, who knows what their future would have looked like? The loss of land that occurred had a direct impact on their financial well-being, which has impacted their choices and decision making for their own social well-being. Like most grievances, this wasn\u2019t just a one-off event, and in this particular case, there were multiple instances of unfair land transactions. This meant Ng\u0101i Tai, for example, had repeated moments forced upon them in their own history that has had a lasting impact.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWe will never know what the economic future of Ng\u0101i Tai would have been had these transactions not occurred, but it\u2019s an important point to remind the House and people listening that sometimes in these settlements we get focused on what sounds like relatively large sums, but in real value terms it will never make up for what\u2019s been lost. For many, the apology is actually more important than the financial redress. I think we all know that in the House today. You can never make up for what was lost in that respect, but acknowledging and apologising for what was wrong allows a true healing to happen within a tribe and within a hap\u016B.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EIn many cases, and particularly this one, the transgressions of the past had more than just a financial impact. For Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, as in the case for most M\u0101ori, the connection to their whenua runs much deeper than any financial figures. The impact of alienating a people from their whenua can never be qualified. How do we translate that? How do we compare that to anything? The disconnect has intergenerational effects\u2014intergenerational effects. Families are affected by that alienation and by that disconnection. So the alienation really challenges iwi and hap\u016B to group together, to come together, to get together a plan, and the settlement asks that of the tribe, and there is much optimism with the tribe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI ask the House to reflect on that because it brings to the table a whakatauk\u012B that we should all remember. Toit\u016B te kupu, toit\u016B te whenua, toit\u016B te mana.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Hold fast to the language, to the land, and to personal dignity.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ETranslated for the House: \u201CHold fast to M\u0101ori culture, for without our language, without our spirit, without our land, the essence of being M\u0101ori would cease to exist.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EAnd that\u2019s what alienation means. That\u2019s what alienation means for so many tribes, and I take heart within this Labour Party, within our Labour Government, when I hear our Minister Andrew Little talk quite openly about education, about explanations in terms of our kids at school, in terms of P\u0101keh\u0101 people in this country who don\u2019t understand and who don\u2019t realise the hurt, the mamae, the history that our people have gone through. So alienation can cripple you or you can recover and set up a plan for the future, and that\u2019s what this tribe is doing in this case. So I mihi to them, I salute them, and I ask the House today to understand what M\u0101ori are going through in terms of Treaty settlements. I know we bring these settlements through the House, but it would be good if people really understood what our people are going through\u2014the apology, the process, the history means so much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo in closing I ask those in the House that are listening and those who are listening to put aside what you may or may not think about financial redress, and think back about the journey that M\u0101ori have been through. Think about the struggle that has occurred, the sadness of knowing that some of their own people have passed on before reaching this point.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWe need to think about these things today in 2018, and that\u2019s why, as I continually say, I salute not just this Government but the previous Government for addressing these hard issues. These are hard issues. Earlier in my lifetime, I was always worried that we would get too political about this, but I take heart that we have had Governments, both Labour and National, and Ministers, both Labour and National, who have stood up and said, \u201CEnough is enough. History must be addressed. There must be redress.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo for M\u0101ori people, we have a strong cultural and spiritual significance to the whenua, but, again, understand: if you\u2019re only able to view your whenua from the fence, that can be crippling for you and for your mokopuna who are coming through. That is no longer going to be the case here. A future is going to be built, and I think our ancestors and our t\u012Bpuna will be proud of the path that is being forged today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo, finally, I acknowledge, as I do, the mana and dignity that the people are showing, so that once again their connection and aroha to the whenua is rightly acknowledged and restored, and I mihi again to our rangatira who\u2019ve come here today to tautoko and honour the settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ET\u0113nei te mihi ki a k\u014Drua, koutou katoa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Greetings to you both, greetings to one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022 data-id=\u0022fc2750c6a95f42a69341388df4901ee3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fc2750c6a95f42a69341388df4901ee3\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. I rise to speak to the Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki Claims Settlement Bill, the second reading, and add my voice to the very eloquent voices that have spoken on this bill this evening.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EI find myself in the very rare occasion of listening closely to the previous speaker, Willie Jackson. It would be fair to say, on most items of policy, there is daylight between his view of the world and mine. But in the last 10 minutes, I think he has given a very impassioned and reasoned articulation as to why this House takes these settlement bills so seriously. They talk, in many ways, to our individual better angels, when we talk to these settlement bills, because we are humbled by the patience of those who have fought for so long to get this bill to this position, and we are given the power in this House to ultimately conclude, on behalf of the Crown and Parliament, some redress. But I think that the language and the perspective that every speaker has brought today\u2014but, particularly, I mihi out to you, Willie; I thought your contribution was very powerful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003ECan I acknowledge the current chair, Rino Tirikatene. I no longer sit on this committee. Unfortunately I\u2019ve been moved. Well, unfortunately, fortunately\u2014you do what you have to do, don\u2019t you? I\u2019m now on the Environment Committee, but I did enjoy the short time that I had on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee in sitting through this process and listening and hearing the perspectives and the struggle that others have put in such eloquent terms this afternoon. You chair it well, you bring mana to the role, and it is a credit to you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003ECan I also acknowledge the previous chair, my friend and colleague Nuk Korako. He was a superb chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and it talks again to his strength. When you are a chair and then the electoral fates deal a blow and you are no longer chair but you\u2019re still asked to contribute\u2014and he does, and he does it from a position of humbled contribution, not only from his own perspective but the wider National Party, and I just want to acknowledge that. Obviously the Ministers, Little and Finlayson\u2014and again you heard with the previous comments that this is a remarkable scenario where the House joins as one to support these processes. It is, in a strange way, above the partisan politics that often dominates our discourse. So I just want to acknowledge that process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EOthers have spoken more powerfully than me around the particular components of this settlement bill. I\u2019m not going to go through and talk specifically about the apology or the cultural redress or the financial settlement. That\u2019s explicit in the bill. I appreciate the previous conversations and observations that, from a financial perspective, it is nowhere near enough. But maybe, in a small way, the humble process by which particularly Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki have approached this, and the way we have collectively listened, responded, and landed the bill gives the opportunity for Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki to move forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003ESo I just want to acknowledge being part of it, on the National Party. I acknowledge the rangatira who have turned up and who sit listening with, no doubt, immense emotion to this discussion and debate and progression of something that is so critical for their futures. I acknowledge the specialness of being part of something like this, this afternoon. Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022 data-id=\u0022ad257a495ebd443abf9c55b9c56dc314\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ad257a495ebd443abf9c55b9c56dc314\u0022\u003ECHL\u00D6E SWARBRICK (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te M\u0101ngai, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou e Te Whare, ki a koutou o Ng\u0101ti Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, t\u0113nei te mihi aroha ki a koutou katoa i t\u0113nei r\u0101 o koutou. N\u0101ku te whiwhi ki te k\u014Drero m\u014D Te R\u014Dp\u016B K\u0101k\u0101riki. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E[Greetings to you, Mr Assistant Speaker, greetings to the House, and warm greetings to you Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, on this, your day. It is my privilege to speak on behalf of the Green Party.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EI rise, and would like to tautoko the points that the previous speaker, Todd Muller, made about how special it is to have the House united and moving forward with this settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EI was born and raised in T\u0101maki-makau-rau, in Auckland. I never, however, learnt about the mana whenua of Auckland, and in the circles in which I grew up that was normal. Ignorance of our land\u2019s history was indeed normal. It wasn\u2019t until I was at university that I first started to really learn about Te Tiriti o Waitangi. It wasn\u2019t until I was in the ironically privileged setting of law school that I was truly able to genuinely engage with the founding, living document of Aotearoa New Zealand. If I\u2019m lucky enough to have children in the future, I don\u2019t want them to grow up in that same ignorance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EWe live in a colonised land, and the institution in which we presently operate is a colonial institution. But, with the knowledge of our history, it gives us the opportunity to consciously transform our present and our future. So, on behalf of the Green Party, I want to acknowledge the ongoing mahi and sacrifice to get to this point of Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki in gathering their histories, and sharing their whakapapa and their lived experiences of alienation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EHaving been lucky enough and privileged indeed to sub out for our new co-leader Marama Davidson at the hearing on this bill in T\u0101maki-makau-rau, at the Jet Park Hotel, I want to acknowledge the trauma and hurt that\u2019s been brought up throughout this process, and associated, indeed, to its delay. I want to acknowledge the simultaneous sense of liberation felt by some in the journey of their discovery, of their whakapapa, their kuia, their kaum\u0101tua, and their rangatahi. I want to acknowledge those who\u2019ve worked to achieve this settlement, and those who\u2019ve passed before it\u2019s been brought to this point in its fruition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EThis bill contains powerful stories of our collective history. It\u2019s an archive. It\u2019s an insight into the history of T\u0101maki-makau-rau, of where I grew up and what I grew up not knowing. This represents a critical step in fixing the history books. If we commit to continuing the work and remedying the evident hole in our education system, that signals a cultural change\u2014predominantly, I note, for P\u0101keh\u0101. It signals the beginning of a genuine Te Tiriti relationship, an upholding of the founding document of our country, and the relationship and power sharing that that document is predicated on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EAs outlined in this bill, Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki has maintained customary interests and ahi k\u0101 in T\u0101maki, Hauraki, and the Hauraki Gulf since time immemorial. Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki consider that their t\u016Bpuna did not intend to permanently alienate their ancestral lands through transactions in the late 1830s. Those transactions were attempts by their t\u016Bpuna to foster ongoing, mutually beneficial relationships with the Europeans.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EIn 1837, during negotiations for a large block of land in T\u0101maki, a missionary documented in writing that iwi and hap\u016B who had sold their land would retain at least one-third of the block for their personal use for ever. In 1842, a Land Claims commissioner backed this up with recommendations that the Crown leave one-third of the missionary purchase to the undisturbed possession of M\u0101ori. Despite this, the Crown did not properly assess the adequacy of the land left to Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, meaning they ended up with a fraction of the original block and substantially less than the one-third that was promised. So too the hugely significant Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki interest in Motutapu ended up alienated. At Karaka Bay, on 4 March 1840, two Ng\u0101i Tai rangatira signed Te Tiriti o Waitangi. Yet still, after the Treaty\u2019s signing, tens of thousands of acres more land were confiscated, sold, and alienated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EAll of this is why the section 9 Crown acknowledgments are so critical. The Crown acknowledges that it has failed to deal with the longstanding grievances of Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki in an appropriate way and that recognition of these grievances is long overdue. The Crown acknowledges that Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki sought to establish mutually beneficial relationships with the Europeans and the Crown by participating in these land transactions, and that those transactions contributed to the development of Auckland and Aotearoa New Zealand as a whole.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EThe Crown acknowledges that its historical military activity and occupation north of Mangatawhiri led to death and dislocation with the rohe of Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki. The Crown acknowledges that by 1880, Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki were virtually left landless, and the Crown\u2019s failure to ensure that it retains significant and sufficient land for their present and future needs was, indeed, a breach of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. That has impacted Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki\u2019s well-being and ability to exercise manaakitanga in their rohe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003ETe Tiriti o Waitangi is, as we all know, however, not just about property rights but an ongoing relationship between iwi, hap\u016B, and the Crown. The Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand recognises the Treaty settlement process for what it is: an opportunity for iwi M\u0101ori, under the pressure of economic and social hardship and within the constraints of a Crown-imposed process, to make the best deal possible to re-establish a small economic base for their people. The financial redress in this settlement process as a whole represents, however, under 1 percent of what was stolen, and polices such as large natural groupings often generate further Te Tiriti breaches. It is an imperfect process, but it\u2019s what we\u2019ve currently got, and I can guarantee that the Greens are committed to keeping up the mahi to continue improving this process and improving redress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003ESo too our party recognises Te Tiriti is not something to be fully and finally settled. We want Te Tiriti to be fully honoured and implemented at every level of government. We also need to be careful with the enduring narrative associated with Te Tiriti processes: that they enable iwi to provide social services, which are the core responsibilities of the Crown. While we uphold mana motuhake and encourage greater M\u0101ori participation in social service delivery, we cannot expect iwi to suddenly have the resources to provide for all of their people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EThis bill contains an account of history, apologies from the Crown, financial redress, an option to purchase land, and the vesting of 16 sites of historical, cultural, and spiritual co-management structures. It reverts the names of sites to their indigenous Te Reo M\u0101ori names, and recognises the right to renegotiate further redress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EThe submissions on this bill, which I was privileged to hear, spoke to heartache, to alienation from whakapapa, to Te Reo, to culture, from a sense of belonging. So too there was a submission from Ng\u0101ti Wai on overlapping claims, which was addressed by previous speakers\u2014such is the flaw in the notion of large natural groupings. This process is not perfect, but it is a step towards crucial recognition of the hurt the Crown has caused historically, of fixing the history books and undoing some of the damage. It is about rebuilding a relationship. On behalf of the Green Party, I commend this bill to the House. Kia kaha.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022 data-id=\u0022eaf485c4377c4fe5bfa273c42facf6d5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eaf485c4377c4fe5bfa273c42facf6d5\u0022\u003EHon SCOTT SIMPSON (National\u2014Coromandel):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. The speaker who has just resumed her seat, Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick, is a new member to the House, and she would do well to realise early on in her parliamentary career that simply coming to the House on an important piece of legislation such as this, that is so historically important and so meaningful to the people who have been patient and waiting so long, with a formulaic, cut-and-paste speech that she\u2019s used previously is an embarrassment and an insult to the process of Treaty settlements. My advice to her is to do a bit of homework\u2014do a bit of homework\u2014and spend some time investing something more than a cut-and-paste, and just putting the name of the iwi into the stock standard speech. The Ng\u0101i Tai people deserve better than that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EI listened very carefully to previous contributions in this debate. Like my colleague Todd Muller, I was very impressed with the speech of the Hon Willie Jackson, and, like my colleague Todd Muller, it\u2019s not often that I sit and listen in very concentrated form to the Hon Willie Jackson, but on this occasion I did. I think that he nicely summed up some of the issues and dramas that occur on Treaty settlement bills such as this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EThe story is that we\u2019re not there yet. This is only the second reading of this bill. There is a way yet to go, but, my goodness, what a long way we have come already. I didn\u2019t sit on the select committee, but I note from their report back to the House that the committee hasn\u2019t made any substantive amendments to the bill. That\u2019s a credit to the negotiators, that\u2019s a credit to the tribe, that\u2019s a credit to, in particular, my friend and colleague the Hon Christopher Finlayson, who has been so involved with so many of these settlements all around the country in a way that has been the hallmark, I think, of his parliamentary career. I know that he\u2019s going to be doing a lot more good in this area yet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003ESo when Willie Jackson stood and spoke about the struggle and the history and the patience, and also of the people who have passed on during this process, that resonates with me and it resonates with members on this side of the House. Doug Graham and Jim Bolger started this process back in the 1980s at a time when they were largely vilified by large sections of New Zealand society for embarking on the process. But here we are, all these years later, making good progress, and this iwi has been patient, along with many others.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EThe history of the wrongs that have been done and of the ills that have occurred as a result of alienation cannot, as the Hon Willie Jackson has said, be even remotely properly addressed by the financial and cultural redress that this bill contains. But it\u2019s the apology\u2014it\u2019s the apology that so often is the important factor. I want to line up with others on this side of the House and across the Parliament to ensure that, actually, this bill and its progress through the House is given due attention, appropriate attention, that is respectful of the gracious, humble patience experienced by those who have brought it to the House. I wish this bill well as it progresses through to third reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EAt times, this is Parliament at its absolute best. It\u2019s interesting that if the Government was busy and had a full legislative programme, we probably wouldn\u2019t be debating this on a Thursday afternoon. But that being as it is, it\u2019s still a good bill. I endorse it and I commend it to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00228c1ba5426d014ca9b7ba80388c9d6356\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228c1ba5426d014ca9b7ba80388c9d6356\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: This is a split call\u2014five minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022 data-id=\u00222cb9c2d59e5f4442a82e03e181560f50\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222cb9c2d59e5f4442a82e03e181560f50\u0022\u003EANAHILA KANONGATA\u2019A-SUISUIKI (Labour): \u003C/span\u003ETe Mana Whakaw\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. T\u0113n\u0101 koe ki a koutou o Ng\u0101i T\u0101ua ki T\u0101maki kua tae mai \u0101-tinana, kua tae mai \u0101-wairua r\u0101nei. Kei te mihi, kei te mihi, kei te mihi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003E[Mr Assistant Speaker, I greet you. I greet you and the M\u0101ori people of T\u0101maki who have come in person or in spirit. Greetings, greetings, greetings.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EIt is an absolute honour to take this short call on the second reading of the Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki Claims Settlement Bill, as the Labour list member of Parliament based in Papakura and T\u0101maki. My acknowledgment goes to the honourable members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. Malo e laumalie, ng\u0101 mihi. As a person from Moana-nui-a-Kiwa, I want to acknowledge the chair here, Rino Tirikatene, for his leadership through the journey of the Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki Claims Settlement Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EAt the second reading of this bill, my k\u014Drero is going to be about the leadership and perseverance of \u0100naru Makiwhara. At the first reading of this bill, the Hon Chris Finlayson stated it in the first reading. My k\u014Drero is, basically, talking about the journey of \u0100naru Makiwhara through until today, and I want to quote the story because I think it needs to be told again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EAt that first reading\u2014and I quote\u2014the Hon Chris Finlayson stated, \u201CAround the time the Compensation Court called for M\u0101ori to register claims in respect of East Wairoa, a Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki rangatira, \u0100naru Makiwhara, accompanied the commander of the Waikato native contingent to Tek\u016Biti on business. Prior to his departure, he had not registered a claim for land in the East Wairoa block in which he and his wh\u0101nau had interests. The commander had obtained an assurance from the Chief Judge that the court would not sit until he and Makiwhara were available to attend the hearing. So what happened? Makiwhara returned to Auckland before the expiry of the six-month notice period required by the New Zealand Settlements Act to find that the Compensation Court had already sat to hear claims to the East Wairoa block. Despite repeated petitions to Parliament over 44 years, \u0100naru Makiwhara did not see the return of his ancestral lands before he passed away in 1927 aged 85.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EWe fast track that journey 91 years, since 1927. In the submission to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, Emily Karaka wrote, \u201CThis submission to the Select Committee is in support of the Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki Claims Settlement Bill. It is submitted on behalf of the descendants of our late grandmother and mother Milly Ng\u0101pawa Ball, formerly Menzies, n\u00E8e Beamish. Milly\u2019s grandfather was the respected Waikato tohunga-ta-moko Anaru Makiwhara. Her great great grandfather was Tara te Irirangi, paramount ariki of Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki at the time of the signing of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. Through her mother, Emere, Milly\u2019s wh\u0101nau had close ties to prominent Tainui hap\u016B.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EI bring that story because of Milly\u2019s children, Harold and Valerie, who has passed. Milly had a child named Narua. Narua was named after \u0100naru, but her name was reversed in terms of\u2014I\u2019ll just say it properly. I know I\u2019m running out of time. But, actually, \u201CMilly\u2019s daughter Narua, our aunty, suffered alienation in a different way. Narua was named after her great grandfather Anaru. The \u2018A\u2019 at the beginning of the name was placed at the end forming \u2018Narua\u2019, a gentle, easily spoken name. Sadly, the next part of the story is not so gentle.\u201D So throughout the 1930s and what the Hon Willie Jackson has spoken about\u2014the discrimination, and we\u2019ve all heard it in this House. What happened was that Narua was the contributor to the submission to the select committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EI say to the House today that the spirit of \u0100naru Makiwhara is still alive today, because his name is worth saying again and again in the Whare in this second reading, and I hope I get an opportunity, or someone gets an opportunity, to acknowledge \u0100naru at the next final reading of this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EI want to end my k\u014Drero today with this k\u012Banga. The resilience and the determination of Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki reminds me of a well-known k\u012Banga, \u201CHe manawa t\u012Bt\u012B, he manawa kaioke.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003E[\u201CThe people have persevered to find justice where justice is due.\u201D] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EKia ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022 data-id=\u0022f0d16ec5af5541fca1494752fb3b30b6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f0d16ec5af5541fca1494752fb3b30b6\u0022\u003EANDREW BAYLY (National\u2014Hunua):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. It\u2019s a pleasure to be talking on this second reading of the Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki Claims Settlement Bill. Of course, this iwi is based in my electorate of Hunua, at the wonderful place of Maraetai, where the main marae is. It\u2019s a beautiful spot. It\u2019s often seen on the Air New Zealand ads, where people are jumping off a wharf into the sea. It is a gorgeous place, and I drive past that area regularly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve got to say that in my dealings with Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, particularly through Mr David Beamish around the r\u0101hui of the cockles being picked up at Kawakawa Bay, they have been very good to deal with, and I commend them for some of the actions they\u2019ve taken in terms of conservation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003EBut this bill, of course, rightly deals with an injustice. I didn\u2019t sit on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, but I\u2019m glad to see that this bill is progressing through the House. Of course, it reflects the signing of the initial Treaty deed by the Hon Chris Finlayson in August 2017. It\u2019s easy to focus on the value of the settlement, but we know that this bill represents much more than that. The story of the alienation of property and people is one that cuts across a long history. The story that goes behind this bill is one of travesty, and it is like so many other bills that we have been dealing with in terms of addressing those wrongs. It is great to see that it is being dealt with and handled with care and sensitivity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003EThe key elements of this agreement include some very significant and notable parts of their area around Hunua, particularly the land that\u2019s under the Clevedon School and the Maraetai Beach School that has been vested to the iwi but, of course, on a long-term lease to the Ministry of Education. They are two very fine schools.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve also included the vestment of the Te Wairoa river conservation area\u2014a beautiful area\u2014and a lot of work\u2019s been done on that river to improve its conservation value. The Whitford conservation area, a small little area by the village, and Hihiorapa Urup\u0101, otherwise known as the famous Hunua Falls scenic reserve, and I\u2019m sure many people in the House have been to those beautiful falls. It\u2019s a big attraction but it\u2019s a very significant and well-known landmark in the area. And, of course, Totara, which is known as the Clevedon conservation areas. All of these are very special areas to everyone in that general proximity and draw a lot of visitors from across Auckland, as well as other places.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003ESo I just want to lend my voice to the good work that\u2019s been done on this bill. We\u2019d all like to see it progress more quickly, and it will in time. I just, finally, want to acknowledge the rangatira who are here today to witness this next stage of the progression towards dealing with this injustice that I talked about at the outset. Thank you very much, Mr Assistant Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u00222a4ffa05a1ca4ae6bd83fef7f11d9426\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222a4ffa05a1ca4ae6bd83fef7f11d9426\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D t\u0101tou katoa, me Reo M\u0101ori \u0113nei k\u014Drero \u014Dku. I will speak M\u0101ori for a few minutes, Mr Assistant Speaker. Taku mihi ki a Ng\u0101i Tai, me te m\u0101tau ko Ng\u0101i Tai he p\u0101nga n\u014Dna ki Te Moana a Toi, he p\u0101nga n\u014Dna ki roto i a T\u0101maki Makaurau, \u0101, roa r\u0101tou e tatari ana kia tat\u016B ai \u0113nei take. T\u0113tahi wahanga ka oti i te w\u0101 i whakataungia ai ng\u0101 nawe whenua m\u014D Tainui wh\u0101nui, t\u0113tahi i toe mai, n\u0101, koia t\u0113nei t\u0101 t\u0101tou e whakatutuki i t\u0113nei r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EAhakoa te iti o te tangata kei k\u014Dn\u0101 an\u014D te mana, e rapa tonu ana ki runga i ng\u0101 tapuae i mahue mai i \u014D r\u0101tou m\u0101tua. N\u0101 reira ko t\u0101ku he mihi ki a r\u0101tou, ko t\u0101ku he mihi ki Te Minita a Hon Christopher Finlayson, m\u014Dna i kawe, i p\u012Bkau i t\u0113nei take m\u014D te hia r\u0101nei roa. I roto a Ng\u0101i Tai i te m\u0101totoru o ng\u0101 iwi ririki kei roto i te rohe o T\u0101maki Makaurau, n\u0101 reira i roto i t\u014D t\u0101tou Reo M\u0101ori, te wairua M\u0101ori t\u0101ku he mihi atu ki a r\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[Greetings again to all, these parts of my speech should be in the M\u0101ori language. I will speak M\u0101ori for a few minutes, Mr Assistant Speaker. I greet Ng\u0101i Tai, knowing that Ng\u0101i Tai have connections to the Bay of Plenty, and connections within Auckland, and they have been waiting a long time for these matters to be settled. One part was completed at the time the land grievances for the wider Tainui group were settled; the other has remained until now, and it is that which we will complete today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EDespite the low number of people, they still have prestige, they continue to adhere to the footsteps left behind by their elders. Therefore, I congratulate them. I congratulate the Minister, the Hon Christopher Finlayson, who has carried and taken care of this matter for goodness knows how long. Ng\u0101i Tai is amongst the many small iwi in the Auckland district. Therefore, it is in our M\u0101ori language, and the M\u0101ori spirit that I congratulate them.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ESo I stand to take a call to affirm the efforts, to affirm the leadership that Minister Chris Finlayson showed, and the patience of Job, in dealing with all of the iwi groups that comprise the T\u0101maki-makau-rau collective. Not quite true to say he\u2019s shown the wisdom of Solomon, but he certainly has shown tenacity, because this has been a particularly troubled part of the broader landscape of settling claims. Many overlapping claims, many challenges, but Ng\u0101i Tai, from the Maraetai Umupuia district, should stand proud today. They had a leader, whom I knew very well. The name of the kuia was Ngeungeu Zister. That leader was born the same year as my grandmother: 1893.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EWhen I was a lad at St Stephen\u2019s M\u0101ori boys school for five years, on various occasions we went to Umupuia. We went there on one particular occasion for a tangi, and we met not only there but at T\u016Brangawaewae the kuia I\u2019m talking about. I think, given that the majority of Kiwis, if not iwis, when they think about T\u0101maki-makau-rau, they think of Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua\u2014nowadays, we call it Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua ki \u014Cr\u0101kei, but that\u2019s a recent innovation\u2014and they think about Tainui, and possibly, if they know their history, they would think about Ng\u0101ti P\u0101ua and the young woman that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101ua betrothed to Patuone, the chief of the Ng\u0101puhi who lived nigh on 100 years and who came out of Hokianga and settled on the northern shores of the Waitemat\u0101 Harbour. History has it that when H\u014Dne Heke, after the Ruapekapeka battle, made a threat that he would come and follow his foe to Auckland, it was both P\u014Dtatau Te Wherewhero who said, \u201CDo not stand on the hem of my cloak.\u201D and it was also Patuone who said, \u201CE kore koe e puta i taku atarangi.\u201D\u2014\u201CIf you come here, Hone Heke, you will not emerge from beyond my shadow.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EH\u014Dne Heke, with his fellow traveller the ancient warrior of Ng\u0101ti Hine, K\u0101witi, made moves to take on T\u0101maki-makau-rau. Of course, Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua at that stage lived in abject fear that the Ng\u0101puhis would come back and finish off what they didn\u2019t do at the battle of Te Ika-a-Ranganui. By this time, though, Christianity was reigning quite strong, and the fact that we still have the descendants proudly claiming and celebrating their pou whenua and mana whenua and their identity, despite the rapid growth of metropolitan Auckland and the crowding of other iwi, such as my own iwi of the Tai Tokerau, I want to acknowledge today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EUmupuia is a tiny settlement, and the challenge is for any indigenous group wanting to project their identity and to teach the next generation, and ensuring that they are not smothered as Auckland marches wider and wider is a challenge. But I think that this settlement not only gives them statutory recognition but it affirms the fact that they are the people of the land. Of course, the cordiality that they might, or might not, achieve with their neighbours is their business. The business of this Parliament is to support the passage of this legislation, acknowledge their history, acknowledge their tupuna who signed the Treaty of Waitangi, and also to acknowledge the fact that, as we move from the settlement phase and we move into post-settlement, each particular iwi needs to forge a journey forward in partnership with the Crown where it\u2019s appropriate for the Crown to join them on a joint endeavour.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EWe must never allow the phrase of the Treaty or the principles of partnership that were enunciated by Cook in the great lands case of 1987 to be forgotten. As a country, our ethnicities grow and they are multiplying, but our roots are clear. Our roots are of a binary nature, and they are reflected in the Treaty. The inheritors of the great liberal traditions evidenced in this particular Westminster Parliament, and the indigenous traditions rooted in the Pacific, evolved here in New Zealand. Although, as I said in M\u0101ori, the numerical strength of the people may be small, their footprints should remain firm and robust on this part of T\u0101maki-makau-rau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ESo, once again, in the spirit of amity\u2014something that is disappearing by the day\u2014I acknowledge Christopher Finlayson and the role that he\u2019s played in this particular settlement, and a host of others. I join with the other speakers in wishing the iwi not so much success but that they put into practice what this bill represents: an opportunity to derive some revenue and an opportunity to protect the places of sacredness or esteem in their rohe. To the member for Hunua\u2014I would tell him that hunuhunu, or hunua, means \u201Cto be scorched\u201D. Please be a good and loyal member, not just for the P\u0101keh\u0101 members of your area but for all voters\u2014and a number of the Ng\u0101i Tai people, I\u2019ve no doubt, are voters within your area\u2014for fear that you suffer the other meaning of hunu, which is to be singed in a private place. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u0022b80282d7150a47bf90fac713f417a833\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b80282d7150a47bf90fac713f417a833\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (National):\u003C/span\u003E I always enjoy Mr Jones\u2019 excellent contributions, and his warning to my good friend the MP for Hunua, I am sure, will be taken on board. Of course, Mr Bayly is an excellent member for Hunua, unlike one of his predecessors, Mr Peters, who lost Hunua\u2014and Andrew Bayly has a majority of about 20,000\u2014just as he lost Northland and also\u2014what\u2019s the other one he lost? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f11deeeac41f4a15b87ccef723d2d641\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Tauranga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f5de46315f644b118a1d1707158fb666\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON\u003C/span\u003E: Tauranga\u2014a chronic loser. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EMr Jones\u2014I think he was praising me\u2014said that I had the patience of Job but not the wisdom of Solomon. I would have preferred the wisdom of Solomon. Actually, I don\u2019t know that Job was all that patient, because if you read the Book of Job\u2014as I\u2019m sure Mr Jones does\u2014at the end of the day, Job starts moaning and bellyaching. Finally, Yahweh tells him, basically, to man up. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ESo I have to confess that when considering this bill, I did not have the patience of Job or anyone else. In fact, I got quite short-tempered. There were two reasons for that. The first issue, and it\u2019s referred to in the report\u2014and I\u2019m not going to give one of those boilerplate, formulaic speeches that the Greens specialise in; I will focus on the report\u2014concerns overlapping claims, because there have been quite a number of overlapping claims in this area, as Mr Jones knows full well, and they are very, very tiresome. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThis one involved overlapping claims between Ng\u0101ti Wai and Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki. Ng\u0101ti Wai came along\u2014as they often do, I regret to say\u2014to say that they wanted to deal with these claims \u201Cin accordance with a proper tikanga process before the bill is enacted.\u201D That\u2019s always shorthand, for me, to mean that nothing ever happens\u2014because I\u2019ve come across that phrase before\u2014but the reality of the matter is that we do need to advance claims. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThere will be overlapping claims. Some of them are very, very difficult indeed, like the ones on the Chathams that Mr Little is dealing with at the moment, but the Crown does have a very careful overlapping claims policy. It applied that policy in the negotiations that took place, and I know that Sir John Clarke, a great New Zealander, was heavily involved in dealing with these overlapping claims, but it is the obligation not only of the Crown\u2014everyone always talks about the Crown\u2019s obligation, but it\u2019s the obligation not only of the Crown but of the various iwi groups to engage on these matters and try and reach a conclusion which is satisfactory to both sides. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI strongly support the policy of the Crown for dealing with overlapping claims, but they simply do need to be dealt with. In fact, this afternoon, I\u2019ve been reading an excellent draft paper by Amokura K\u0101wharu on arbitration of Treaty of Waitangi settlement disputes, and she particularly identifies these kinds of overlapping claims which could be susceptible for arbitration. If you want to hear any more about her splendid speech, then I suggest members may want to come to Queenstown on 20 April, when she and I will be presenting on this topic, and mine will be pretty good as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe second issue I want to deal with is referred to in the report. It\u2019s the time frame between the deed signing and the bill introduction, and Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki had some particular views about this. But, again, it was totally out of the Crown\u2019s control because the legislation involving Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki was encompassed in the broader Hauraki legislation. What we needed to do when it became apparent that the overlapping claims in the southern part of Hauraki between Ng\u0101ti Ranginui and Ng\u0101i Te Rangi were not going to be very quickly resolved was extract the Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki claims from the legislation and deal with it separately. It was a very difficult exercise. Parliamentary counsel did a good job, and that was done by the Crown as quickly as possible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EBut the other point\u2014and it\u2019s referred to in the report\u2014is that after the deed of settlement was signed and before this legislation was introduced, there was an advance made to them to try and mitigate the problems associated with the lapse of time in introducing this legislation to the House. But it\u2019s not a delay, and it is not the fault of the Crown. There have been difficult issues in the broader Hauraki region which Mr Little is dealing with now, and that\u2019s why, initially, it was grouped together as part of the broader Hauraki legislation and now it stands on its own. So, as Mr Jones correctly observed, in this part of the world there are very complex overlapping historical claims and they are not easy to resolve. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ESo they are the two matters that I wanted to refer to. The report is a very adequate report, and I look forward to seeing this legislation advance to the third reading just as quickly as possible. With those few specific comments\u2014as opposed to general, waffly comments\u2014I commend the bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022 data-id=\u0022897f7acd107140eaabf55ef10e43cdc2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022897f7acd107140eaabf55ef10e43cdc2\u0022\u003EJO LUXTON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. It gives me great pleasure to speak to this settlement bill. I wasn\u2019t on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, but my colleagues there on the committee tell me they heard very well-thought-out and presented submissions on this bill. Therefore, I do want to acknowledge all the submitters that took the time to give their thoughts and their concerns to the committee. I have looked carefully at the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee report, and it seems very clear to me that the committee have given thoughtful consideration to all the concerns raised with them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EThe report has noted the overlapping claims. I agree that, ideally, overlapping claims in relation to specific redress matters be addressed through mutual agreement between the overlapping groups. I can only imagine how difficult and challenging this process must be for both parties, and I wish them all the best for the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the Ng\u0101i Tai ki Tamaki negotiators, the Crown negotiator, and officials. I also acknowledge the former Minister, Hon Chris Finlayson, and the current Minister, Hon Andrew Little. This is a very good settlement bill, and it will provide excellent opportunities for Ng\u0101i Tai ki Tamaki and their future generation. I am certain that they are looking forward to progressing their plans for the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EAs the Government\u2019s final speaker on the second reading of this bill, I\u2019d like to say that Ng\u0101i Tai ki Tamaki have waited long enough for their legislation to be passed, and I don\u2019t want them to wait any longer. So I commend this bill to the House. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002209aa681d34024f2ebf4ecac2d7081c37\u0022\u003ECommerce Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ce8a845ca7c14a88b8c12fe32c0989c2\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u0022427388291f15421284b9f0ba0cc800a0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022427388291f15421284b9f0ba0cc800a0\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Commerce Amendment Bill be now read a first time. I nominate the Transport and Infrastructure Committee to consider the bill. At the appropriate time, I intend to move that the bill be reported to the House by 10 September 2018, to enable the new market studies function for the Commerce Commission to come into effect this year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EAs Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, I am committed to supporting a more competitive, confident, and productive business environment that delivers positive outcomes for all New Zealanders. Consumers should be at the heart of competition and consumer policy, and this is why advancing the Commerce Amendment Bill to ensure that selected markets are delivering better outcomes for all New Zealanders is a priority. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EAlthough this bill has three parts, which I will touch on shortly, the ability of the Commerce Commission to undertake market studies is the key element of this bill. Market studies will ensure New Zealand consumers get fair and appropriate treatment by delivering information about how a market is functioning. I believe well-functioning markets are necessary to ensure the successful functioning of the broader systems that are engines for economic growth. These studies allow us to identify whether there are factors in a market that are standing in the way of appropriate competition and that may be preventing consumers from receiving a fair deal or prohibiting honest business practice. Enabling the Commerce Commission to carry out market studies will give us a better understanding of how certain markets are performing, and whether there may be matters preventing or inhibiting good market performance. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EHowever, as mentioned, this bill is divided into three parts, with two other amendments to the Commerce Act in addition to the market studies power. Firstly, this bill changes the airports regulation regime under Part 4 of the Commerce Act. I have considered the outcomes of the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) review into the effectiveness of the economic regulation regime for airports under the Commerce Act, and MBIE\u2019s review and the two rounds of consultation with airports and airlines identified that while the regime had largely worked well to date, there were some areas in the bill that could be improved. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EThis bill makes a number of legislative amendments to strengthen the current information disclosure regime for airports under Part 4. The review found that there was not a compelling case for a move to stronger negotiate/arbitrate regimes, as the current information disclosure regime had worked to constrain the market power of New Zealand\u2019s major airports. However, I do consider some changes are necessary to make it easier to impose further regulation on the airports if the current regime is no longer effective at achieving the purpose of the regulation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EIn this area, the bill will clarify the Commerce Commission\u2019s power to examine the effectiveness of the information disclosure regime in Part 4 when looking at the performance of regulated suppliers. It will also introduce a short-form inquiry process for investigating the need for additional regulation at the airports if they are not meeting the long-term interests of consumers. Finally in this area, it will clarify that an Order in Council process can be used to impose additional regulation on regulated services at the three regulated airports that we have the moment. Taken together, these amendments will strengthen the credibility of the regime and incentivise airports to act consistently with their Part 4 purpose, which is to promote the long-term interests of consumers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003ESecondly, as previously mentioned, the bill introduces a competition study power, known, and referred to earlier, as a market study power, into the Commerce Act. This power will be exercisable by the Commerce Commission at its own discretion or on the discretion of the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs where that is in the public interest. This new power will allow the commission to shine a light into markets that may not be working effectively and in the best interests of consumers. We have concerns in regard to some markets that appear not to be working as well as they should be for consumers, and it is hoped that a Commerce Commission study will identify the causes of poor performance in these markets through the extension of this information-gathering power. The outcome of these studies may inform the Government on whether intervention is desirable and, if so, on what form that intervention may take. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EThe previous Government supported market studies powers for the Commerce Commission, though they insisted all proposals for a market study must first be signed off by the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs. This Government is taking the politics out of the market studies power by giving the commission the ability to initiate the study if it deems it necessary in the best interests of the public. This bill also allows for the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs to initiate market studies. However, there are necessary checks and balances provided for, to ensure market studies are used where there is a real need in the interests of consumers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EThe last aspect of the Commerce Amendment Bill relates to the alternative enforcement mechanisms available to the Commerce Commission in the Commerce Act. There are two main changes this bill proposes in this area. First, it repeals the little-used cease and desist regime, which was introduced some years ago. The regime was intended to be a quick and easy way for the commission to stop harmful anti-competitive conduct, but, in practice, the regime has only been used once. With the commission choosing to rely on the use of High Court injunctions to stop harmful anti-competitive conduct in a quick and cost-effective manner, it\u2019s now considered that the cease and desist power is not needed. The two cease and desist commissioners have not been called upon to make a decision since 2006. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EThe second change in this area relates to the introduction of enforceable undertakings in the Commerce Act. Enforceable undertakings are legal instruments to provide for settlements of enforcement actions by the Commerce Commission. If a firm breaches its settlement, the Commerce Commission can enforce the undertaking as if it were a court decision. Currently, the commission can only enforce a breach of settlement as if it was a breach of a contract and not a substantive breach of the Act. So this will provide greater assurance that firms will keep to the settlements they reach with the commission. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EIn summary, I believe that this bill is a welcome step towards improving New Zealand\u2019s competition system. I\u2019m particularly hopeful that the opportunities of the new market studies regime for helping to promote competitive markets will benefit all New Zealanders and promote honest business. As the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, I\u2019m committed to supporting a more competitive, confident, and productive business environment. Therefore, I commend this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022 data-id=\u0022aa98f925a8e74637b8c43bcea96a11c2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022aa98f925a8e74637b8c43bcea96a11c2\u0022\u003EBRETT HUDSON (National):\u003C/span\u003E I would like to be able to say it is my pleasure to rise to speak on this bill, but actually that wouldn\u2019t quite characterise my feelings towards this particular process. I don\u2019t want to start off by haranguing or maligning our Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, but this bill isn\u2019t\u2014I don\u2019t believe, at least\u2014what the public would consider to be a Government bill, because the public would consider that to be the thoughts of the new Government, their view on what the markets need, and perhaps what consumers need.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EWhat this bill actually is\u2014and it is evidenced if one looks at the Cabinet papers that have come to this Government and the Cabinet papers that went to the previous Government\u2014is not a Government bill; it\u2019s an officials\u2019 bill. The officials sought certain changes under the last Government. Some of those were declined or amended, but they\u2019ve got a new Minister and they\u2019ve put the same old proposals back, and here we are, talking about not the new coalition Government\u2019s bill but, in fact, a bill that is proposed and is the wording and the justification not of the Government but of a single Government entity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EI was told today by one of my colleagues that while it is nice to be important, it is important to be nice, so I don\u2019t want to start by criticising Mr Faafoi\u2019s justification of his bill. Instead, in acknowledgment of our joint \u201Cmilitary service\u201D together\u2014and I use that term in inverted commas because our joint \u201Cmilitary service\u201D was 48 hours at \u014Ch\u0101kea airbase in the last parliamentary term\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227030e118e7da4becbefb086910b6aa4f\u0022\u003EHon Kris Faafoi\u003C/span\u003E: Whatever happened on base stays on base.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aef0dd1ab19a4def8205b2c5f2d8ddb5\u0022\u003EBRETT HUDSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014that\u2019s right; I won\u2019t give them the details, Mr Faafoi\u2014when Mr Faafoi and I enjoyed each other\u2019s company, and particularly the company of our servicemen and women, as we got to learn about what it takes to make an air force tick and to make a base tick. It was a wonderful example of getting along. And so I\u2019d like to congratulate Mr Faafoi for bringing forward the third element of this bill, which is enforceable undertakings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EThe reality is that the cease and desist measures that had been available were not used at all, really\u2014once, I think Mr Faafoi put forward\u2014and were really not a usable and worthwhile provision for the Commerce Commission. Enforceable undertakings will give a more practical and more pragmatic approach for the commission to make findings and to agree with businesses to change their practices in lieu of perhaps more onerous or more Draconian measures, and those undertakings can be easily or readily backed up with the authority and force of our courts. So I do commend Mr Faafoi for introducing this bill with at least that provision. But the other two parts of the bill are not sufficiently good enough to warrant, in my view, the support of the Opposition or, indeed, the support of the Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003ENow, I do commend the intention, because I do believe, having listened to Mr Faafoi\u2019s speech, that consumer protection and avoidance of consumer harm sits behind the rationale as to why they have accepted officials\u2019 advice and put forward the bill in the form it is in. But I don\u2019t believe that it actually is really going to deliver against their intent, because there are some, at the very least, unintended consequences, and I don\u2019t want to malign officials or indeed the Commerce Commission by intimating there may be more, but there certainly are, at the very least, unintended consequences.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EThe market studies\u2014herein lies the problem. With the Commerce Commission, who, I believe, are an absolutely and thoroughly professional organisation of members, with absolute integrity. They are formed in the structure of a commission, and in the structure of a commission the decision makers and the governance level are the same people. So if a decision is made under what Mr Faafoi has introduced, which differs from Cabinet approval from the previous Government\u2014that market studies can be self-initiated by the Commerce Commission\u2014there is no other check or balance to that decision. The decision is made by the commissioners, and the commissioners are both the decision makers and the governors, in effect, of the commission.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003ESo, in reality, there are no checks or balances to what they choose to do. I don\u2019t malign them. I believe they are absolutely professional individuals and, what\u2019s more, I believe they do a very good job\u2014but I do believe, Mr Assistant Speaker, that I\u2019ll be back.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180412beb883c298ae45b3a78e91974304f3ec000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 6 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"