"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022437675c431ff41728a9c48f3cc5f79eb\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 3 MAY 2018\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fd793e8c74c843d6a7b1b046beb3d29c\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 3 MAY 2018\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a79557f0935c499382245ff46d67482f\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ebe08ab4982246599f7bee20cf3ee2da\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u002286cfccb55f1a4160b4eff20fca2a87f8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286cfccb55f1a4160b4eff20fca2a87f8\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Next week, the House will consider a range of legislation, including the first readings of the Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Amendment Bill, the Accident Compensation Amendment Bill, the Local Electoral Matters Bill, and the Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ngati Porou Bill (No 2). The Brokering (Weapons and Related Items) Controls Bill will have its committee stage. The Social Security Legislation Rewrite Bill will have its second reading and committee stage. The Families Commission Act Repeal Bill will have its committee stage and third reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u00229589dacc320f4f76aae1338bc56bf6d6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229589dacc320f4f76aae1338bc56bf6d6\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National):\u003C/span\u003E I thank the Leader of the House. I wonder if, for planning purposes, the House leader could indicate whether parliamentary colleagues should be clearing their diaries and planning for urgency on Friday, 18 May.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022531cec7ec359414a9d0f348fe09e726f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022531cec7ec359414a9d0f348fe09e726f\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I can assure the House that I have fully informed the Business Committee of the Government\u2019s intentions in that regard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c2bcc1440a0f4b508f4ab4ed496b8027\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228232d01fc77045e49a23dba58b806901\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d7ff272bd2c24903846d90276aed0e07\u0022\u003EJob Creation and Unemployment\u2014New Job Numbers, Beneficiaries\u2019 Obligations, and Proposed Budget Changes to Benefits\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u0022bfdeb0f443b945a5acd16efff6c6c793\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bfdeb0f443b945a5acd16efff6c6c793\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Deputy Leader\u2014National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all of her Government\u2019s policies and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u0022bd05d08c9fae4b53bf4030c79d5dca0e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bd05d08c9fae4b53bf4030c79d5dca0e\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Deputy Prime Minister)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Prime Minister: On behalf of the Prime Minister, yes, most certainly\u2014when they\u2019re in their context.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225816dceb5926462abc60de9191545446\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Is her Government still \u201Cfocused on getting people into work\u201D, and, if so, can she confirm that since October, only 4,000 jobs had been created per month?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228184241db2bf482baa94f15495b5f6df\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: What I can say is the Government has never had any other greater priority than to get New Zealanders back into work. We\u2019ve just had the most stunning record in the last 10 years\u2014the lowest that the unemployment rate has ever been in 10 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a527d26df46a41f89b6d4029592b2e0d\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Can she confirm that in the two years before the election, 10,000 extra jobs were created each month, on average, leading to New Zealand having the third-highest employment rate in the developed world, and we now only have 4,000 jobs being created per month?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c87acb72121f4bb8b5d94a50cc1db32d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member can answer the second part. He\u2019s got no responsibility for the first.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db46b5df1e0f4013a858b8de5df5a6af\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, Mr Speaker, I could answer the first part as well by saying it\u2019s not true. As for the second part, what we can say\u2014and it\u2019s a cause for enormous celebration, which I\u2019d invite the member to join\u2014is that we\u2019ve got the lowest unemployment rate in 10 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc22d8726030432685e1ba5c09a42df5\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Will her Government\u2019s policy to shut down oil and gas exploration, putting more than 11,000 jobs at risk, help or hinder job creation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b8239c5c936443e867bd576228aede3\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: There could be no comment more far from the truth than that last statement in respect of shutting down. First of all, no existing permit is being shut down, and everybody in this country needs to hear it, and the people of Taranaki should not have to hear this miserable message that is false and is extreme. An area the size of the North Island will still be available for exploration, probably for the next 30, 40 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5da4c5ac6dc47d7abefa80324892ae8\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree that our welfare system should be one of reciprocal obligations, and those that can look for work should?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225dab2126b87f49378d2e37a31473fe5d\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: We, as a Government, have been very concerned to ensure that we take responsibility, when people are unemployed, to get them back to work as fast as possible. That\u2019s why we have so many initiatives to take people who were out of work when we become the Government back into work with a real future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228554d4f4034a4d5bbd063cee1f41086b\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree that beneficiaries should be drug-free and able to pass a drug test if that is what a potential job requires?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc01f53264c348fd9291e8976e4a4578\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Could I just say that the policies that we are working on do not have that harsh provision, because if someone is not drug-free, it doesn\u2019t mean that they\u2019re beyond redemption, that serious programmes cannot turn their lives around, and that\u2019s what we intend to do. We see the positive side of sound social policy, not the harsh, stringent side of right-wing arrogance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c25003d9a2d44530a1f64123a30e8a5c\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree that someone who is on welfare and meets the criteria of a job search should be sanctioned if they repeatedly refuse to attend job interviews?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002274ce2c359395429894b227f0aa8a73a7\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Again, we are developing policies with respect to the employed and the long-term unemployed in this country. That policy will be unfolded and be, possibly, in some description, described as to its costings in the Budget on 17\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d4e87e91ad344e290ee5d7b325a60ca\u0022\u003EAlastair Scott\u003C/span\u003E: This must hurt, saying this. This must really hurt.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022790a0758ecf442c2994576792702f833\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: I beg your pardon?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee336461d73d46afbb6115f5696bc06c\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Who\u2019s that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228bc46d91ece04b69b45cb10e96d057ba\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s a fascinating question. When it came to issues of unemployment\u2014for example, the closure of a road near his electorate last time\u2014he didn\u2019t even turn up. There were 600 people there, including me, but he never turned up\u2014at Foxton, he remembers that. So, as to who he is, nobody\u2019s any wiser in the Wairarapa either.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225fd4c4025e0e464ebc43600ff63e69bc\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. As entertaining as that answer was, it didn\u2019t answer the question at all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228250a66f8fd04c8d85063890587fb4a3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, actually, when supplementaries are made, even from the seat by the member for Wairarapa, the member can\u2019t expect the answer not to be diverted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e6b048a67244b25947a510be6b6ea34\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Prime Minister support an increase to benefits, above inflation, in this year\u2019s Budget?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c76e9d1a001a47bc950aae32b61f68d9\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Can I say that we are at the eleventh hour of some glorious news, which will be announced on 11 May. That member should just be a little bit more patient. After all, she waited nine years for nothing. She only has to wait about nine days for something.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab1a25ffa6fc4d17986a05c59137bcf9\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Will she be supporting free dental care for those aged over 65 with a SuperGold card?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224db4be116f3b48fdae261880667870d2\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: I have to say that that has to wait until the announcement on 17 May, but if there are members over there who are of age and have got dental problems, come over and we\u2019ll give you health.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EQuestion time interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022be6d66a74cc3471e97daff99f2809239\u0022\u003EBusiness of the House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f70d7b29307b4876a7708270f52b6b5e\u0022\u003EBusiness of the House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u002292fef8ba0d7540a6b77404a163eada58\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002292fef8ba0d7540a6b77404a163eada58\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to clarify the statement that I made in response to Mr Woodhouse\u2019s question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022482415a8cdea4b379c183c7bd255d9dc\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is there any objection to that? There appears to be none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f08055d84d5d470c8c45b9d8725ea369\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: In response to Mr Woodhouse\u2019s question, I indicated that I had informed the Business Committee of the Government\u2019s intention. I did not do that as part of the meeting\u2019s proceedings. If necessary, as I\u2019m required to do under the Standing Orders, I will do so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EQuestion time resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00220e8f8fc0c4764754b5b776740a935e28\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225b827fa0f7ef46199967ddfe28f3c9ff\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022032d2d834cf84a6c98317dfc3dc3d5e3\u0022\u003ELocal Government\u2014Cost of M\u0101ori Ward Polls\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u00223507210565ce4129a81b7bab4a6872ff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223507210565ce4129a81b7bab4a6872ff\u0022\u003EMARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Local Government: Has she received any advice, including the cost to ratepayers, on the five polls taking place on the establishment of Maori wards; if so, what was that advice?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u0022b1d09ce201c34c379288b2833adcba08\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b1d09ce201c34c379288b2833adcba08\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Minister of Local Government):\u003C/span\u003E No, I haven\u2019t received any specific advice about the cost of the five polls currently under way regarding M\u0101ori wards.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c56c6ed1fd3441599ef2f97cfaf54fb\u0022\u003EMarama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Given the cost pressures on local government, is she concerned that the current polls seeking to overturn councils\u2019 decisions on M\u0101ori wards are reportedly costing local councils up $140,000?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1b80ace9028427da64f8b2b95eea13a\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA\u003C/span\u003E: Costs of stand-alone polls vary from council to council. I am aware anecdotally that within each local government area, the cost of holding such polls is a concern to them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258c3a8fd81f34401aec3f617f6b3d3ae\u0022\u003EMarama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister agree with Local Government New Zealand, who in their open letter to her said that \u201CThe discriminatory nature of these polls is not acceptable.\u201D and that they \u201Cdamage[s] race relations in our districts.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224454ad8220be4762a1e817c5786c206f\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA\u003C/span\u003E: I am aware of that statement and they go on to add, \u201CEither the poll provision should apply to all wards or they should apply to none. The discriminatory nature of these polls is not acceptable.\u201D More so, that view is held by the five districts currently holding the polls, which is why they\u2019re campaigning very hard to ensure that people participate before 19 May.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002223a4c064b2c6428ba2926f514586d047\u0022\u003EMarama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree that local elected members are perfectly able to make decisions on the establishment of M\u0101ori wards, just as they do with general wards, and that the current situation is a double standard for M\u0101ori representation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd9a6bf956ea411ab4aebf7a0af6b5f8\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA\u003C/span\u003E: That is certainly a strong view that is held by the sector representative group, Local Government New Zealand, and a range of councils who have advocated to local MPs, as well as myself as local government Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022368fce4c79b94932bc8e9f40845ca02b\u0022\u003EMarama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Is she concerned about the effect of these discriminatory polls that set up extra hurdles for M\u0101ori participation, given the UN has noted that Aotearoa has \u201Cpersistently low levels of M\u0101ori representation in local government\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002214ca52329d08496582a8847e2b3a802d\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m concerned that the poll drives the wrong conversation at a local level, where time has moved on, and actually the sentiment of local people has moved on because M\u0101ori are participating positively and contributing to well-being outcomes\u2014and they want to, which is why they seek M\u0101ori representation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c41e1afe16c4f868962da5c6fd04f06\u0022\u003EMarama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Is she doing any work to change the law around M\u0101ori wards, given that the Labour Party voted for my member\u2019s bill in the 51st Parliament, which would have removed this discriminatory provision, and, if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226baa6c617db1435f96978c6ca6d31c19\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA\u003C/span\u003E: It is correct to say that the Labour Party had a very clear position on this. As we work these issues forward for the coalition and confidence and supply Government, it\u2019s important that I provide all the information available so that we can ensure that the issue of M\u0101ori representation and contributing to positive outcomes in the region is not overshadowed by negative sentiment which seeks to divide views at a local level. This issue must be owned at a local level, and I\u2019m sure we will get to the right outcome in time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221a04d35ebb4b44a78e2c1ae1b058cb98\u0022\u003EFiscal Strategy\u2014Tax Plan and Effect of Proposed Fuel Taxes\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u0022c81069c7b7c741518323ae467b373997\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c81069c7b7c741518323ae467b373997\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Does he accept that the Half year Economic and Fiscal Update shows $23.1 billion in surpluses over the next four years, additional borrowing of $10 billion in the next three years, and that the latest Crown financial statements for February 2018 show an additional $494 million is available; if so, why is the Government increasing taxes and not keeping its promise to reduce the cost of GP visits for all New Zealanders on 1 July this year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u002266543e284c46473d8ff3a8ea7b1e2196\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002266543e284c46473d8ff3a8ea7b1e2196\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E In answer to the first part of the question, no, because the member has chosen two different starting points, both of which he describes as the next three or four years. What I do accept is that we are running a strong economy and we\u2019ll deliver surpluses. In answer to the second part of the question, the final shape of the Government\u2019s revenue and expenditure will be revealed on 17 May.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f044640928b64d338337dc3a74f46b46\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: If the more than $33 billion available to him is not enough to solve the problems that he sees, would $50 billion be enough, or how much more does he think he needs?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ebb9faa5ad09471a8afc2a8c6f1a0f9b\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, look, the Government has inherited a series of significant social and infrastructure deficits. They will take more than one Budget to resolve, and so I say to the member that had his party not left the health system in such a state of disrepair, had not underfunded education, and had not undermined other social services, perhaps the sum of money he said at the start might be enough. We\u2019ll see on 17 May.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221c74d6d5ef0547feb613582f25e468c8\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Isn\u2019t it true that no matter how much tax hard-working New Zealanders pay, he will always want more?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239858b6e4b3a4468a51e242920c852e9\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: What I want is for New Zealanders\u2014all New Zealanders\u2014to pay their fair share. I want multinational companies to pay their fair share, unlike the previous Government who didn\u2019t seem to care about that. And I want all New Zealanders to know that their public services will be there for them when they need them, unlike the legacy the previous Government left.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f16c5c0d2706478a86a94aae28fd98c3\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: What other promises does he intend to break?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb53c18c6883470fb691a383323ac627\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I have not broken any promises, but I do recall the previous Government campaigned rigorously on not increasing GST, and what\u2019s the first thing they did? They increased it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e390db0def54137ab3d062bc2f68797\u0022\u003EAndrew Bayly\u003C/span\u003E: Does he consider the planned fuel tax\u2019s increase to be significant enough to lead to higher living costs for families, because they will have to pay more for food and other household items?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c0f5dfbbefc040f9b41cc7bf6bf0fd1e\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I consider the proposed excise duty increase as one that will help support the provision of a modern transport system, and I probably feel the same way about that that Gerry Brownlee and Simon Bridges did when they increased it by 17c over a six-year period. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4612db5502846fca107cc28c8e1929e\u0022\u003EAndrew Bayly\u003C/span\u003E: Is Freightways\u2019 chief executive, Mark Troughear, wrong when he says new fuel taxes will force consumer prices up, and therefore New Zealanders\u2019 wallets would not just be taking a hit at the pump if a fuel tax was introduced?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022508ad88b5e2e41a1b9d0d6ef4ebc2556\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I believe the impact will be similar to what it was when the previous Government increased it by 17c over a six-year period. But what this Government has done is taken untargeted and poorly focused tax cuts and put that money back in the pockets of low- and middle-income families so they can afford the increases in costs of living. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022deca26afcfb74b11ae0f423088f320e4\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Can I ask the Minister as to whether it\u2019s a fact, arising from his third answer, that in the nine years the last Government increased the fuel tax six times?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022332225bce0d341e29d58c6a3a3208563\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: That is, in fact, the case\u2014six times, up 17c\u2014and, amazingly, out of that, regional and rural New Zealand saw the quality of their roads decline. That\u2019s not going to happen under this Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002239a7d234602f4df485451e27ec7af310\u0022\u003EBeneficiaries\u2014Obligations\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u002253696f8e25b84d6e82b111206df4cd64\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002253696f8e25b84d6e82b111206df4cd64\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (National\u2014Taup\u014D)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Social Development: Does she stand by her statement that \u201Cwe as a state have to give people what they are entitled to, and so that is where our obligation lies.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u0022215496e75b384eb8a8d296c9dba659ca\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022215496e75b384eb8a8d296c9dba659ca\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Associate Minister for Social Development)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for Social Development: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb2e1ca9f391432f979b462630599e23\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: Given the State has obligations, does the Minister also believe that those receiving benefits have obligations, and that those that can work should be looking for work?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022631df20e54e44d9cad927ea27192551b\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, yes. What we also want to make sure is that beneficiaries and all those in receipt of benefits from this Government receive their full and correct entitlement. In order to do that, we have some challenges, but we have a plan to fix it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b907d6597bc4dad860f17d297883888\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister believe that job seekers without children, who refuse work experience or training or recreational drug rehabilitation, should lose part of their benefit entitlement after four weeks of not meeting their obligations?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f17b60d8d6f473c939e0fe448561da9\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, the rules are very clear around the work-test sanctions for those who find themselves not available for work or breaking their job seeker obligations. But what we want to make sure of is that, first and foremost, we must work with these people to ensure that we address the reasons why they aren\u2019t meeting those job seeker obligations, and not simply take a punitive approach that will see them fall into more hardship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a00121adde24978b0dade604a466cd0\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister planning on removing any obligations in her significant welfare overhaul; if so, which ones?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b99e712da1d4cad9779c495fa82326d\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, that member and the House will have to wait and see the work of the group that have been allocated this significant task.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022020acab1cc874769b6168859ce22df86\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister given any instructions to the Ministry of Social Development about prosecutions for taking what they\u2019re not entitled to and committing benefit fraud?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ecb95082d0df473c919775f3c61e23a9\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, I\u2019m unaware of any such advice, but I\u2019m sure if the member would like to submit that question in writing, she\u2019ll get the answer she\u2019s looking for.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e20510cc954b40b0be5cd1ee547013bc\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: Does she believe people on benefit are entitled to more; and if yes, how much will benefits rise by on 1 July 2018?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002225101d5a533149578a97b2dd3937f7b0\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, as I have mentioned earlier, fair and correct entitlement is what all New Zealanders are entitled to, not just beneficiaries, and can I make it clear to that member that one in five Kiwis actually receive support from this Government. So we want to make sure, first and foremost, they get the support and they know what their fair and correct entitlement is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e40cfeeb6fc043eba9d680556d3e0597\u0022\u003EAuckland Transport Alignment Project\u2014Impacts\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022 data-id=\u0022157eee6b435b4db1a0cabc2d35228068\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022157eee6b435b4db1a0cabc2d35228068\u0022\u003EPRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Transport: What effect will the proposed $28 billion Auckland Transport Alignment Project have on congestion in Auckland?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022dcd22e0fd8c14c37b8477d705bbb123b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dcd22e0fd8c14c37b8477d705bbb123b\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Transport):\u003C/span\u003E The joint investment of $28 billion over the next decade will unlock Auckland\u2019s potential and drive economic growth and wealth creation. It is a game-changer for Auckland commuters and the first step in easing congestion that currently costs Auckland $1.3 billion every year. Projects such as the new rapid transit network, electrification of rail to Pukekohe, the third main rail line, Penlink, and Mill Road will make an incredible difference to commuters and businesses across Auckland. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237ad293e00b94c85b544f235aad4b93c\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: What effects will the rapid transit network have on congestion in Auckland? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228971be931e7b47978b11fbebb8166f3f\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the light rail line from the city to M\u0101ngere will have the capacity to move 11,000 people an hour each way. That\u2019s the equivalent of four lanes of motorway. It will connect the CBD with one of the country\u2019s biggest concentrations of jobs, at M\u0101ngere. Three-quarters of the people using this service will be commuters. The Auckland Transport Alignment Project (ATAP) will also extend the northern busway and build the eastern busway from Panmure to Botany and a busway from Puhinui to the airport. The Auckland Unitary Plan allows 531,000\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228500acff30354de5a3b46554ab86f5da\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! The answers are far too long, as they were yesterday. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228ad5427ce3724612bf82c426ffac572f\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: Does ATAP plan for future greenfields growth? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac88e15395374303825bc4843ad5c439\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: The ATAP package prioritises projects which address the most critical growth challenges so that Auckland can, for once, get ahead of the growth. That\u2019s why the Government and Auckland Council are investing $500 million in Mill Road, are building Penlink, and will continue to widen the Southern Motorway and electrify the rail line to Pukekohe, investing $1.3 billion in major greenfield growth areas. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022464b58795b5c4ad2884da68d3a040fa7\u0022\u003EJami-Lee Ross\u003C/span\u003E: Can he confirm that the Mill Road and Penlink projects were already part of ATAP before he made his announcement recently and that he\u2019s taken to re-announcing policies that were already there in this portfolio, just like his other portfolio? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e76d7c268351402daa035b325b51b6f2\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I can confirm that Mill Road and Penlink were included in the old ATAP, but that plan had a $9.7 billion fiscal hole, and the public of Auckland had no idea when those roads would ever be built. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222fb12b94c230484c946946c096b6863d\u0022\u003EExport Sector\u2014Exemption from US Steel Tariffs\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022 data-id=\u0022a999fc85dbf24dbd8917711dbdca3f69\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a999fc85dbf24dbd8917711dbdca3f69\u0022\u003EHon TODD McCLAY (National\u2014Rotorua)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Trade and Export Growth: Does he believe the Government did all it could to avoid the imposition of tariffs by the United States on New Zealand steel and aluminium?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u0022937ac5f7aed142b391cc44173f40a9a3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022937ac5f7aed142b391cc44173f40a9a3\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Minister for Trade and Export Growth):\u003C/span\u003E Yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022995849f038ad4e058bdf20b090200004\u0022\u003EHon Todd McClay\u003C/span\u003E: Why, then, have the EU, Canada, Mexico, South Korea, Argentina, Brazil, and Australia all received exemptions from US steel tariffs, yet he hasn\u2019t delivered one for New Zealand? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220569b69413a2494d87c87f06205555b9\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019re in a similar position to Japan and a lot of other countries in that we have not secured an exemption as yet. We are continuing to seek one. The point of principle that lies behind the decisions that have been taken by the United States is hard to fathom. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235ac4ecb85924bcba259bb91d15321ce\u0022\u003EHon Todd McClay\u003C/span\u003E: Why has he not travelled to Washington to make the case for New Zealand steel and aluminium producers to be exempt from US tariffs when the Australian trade Minister achieved a permanent exemption for Australian exporters following his visit? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e0a03667bb65466a8e62b0a20a53573a\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m flattered that the member thinks that I could achieve an exemption by visiting when Prime Minister Abe visited the United States last week and was unable to get one. I, in fact, did offer to go some weeks ago, but I was advised by officials that it wouldn\u2019t make a difference, and I think Prime Minister Abe\u2019s proven the point. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229df1f4ca4b0a425c9b52e47bc8543c7a\u0022\u003EHon Todd McClay\u003C/span\u003E: When he pleaded to be judged by results, not travel, in a Stuff article on 17 April titled \u201CTrade Minister \u2026 pleads to be judged by results, not his travel\u201D, does he believe that a trip to Washington would have helped deliver a result for the New Zealand steel and aluminium industry, as it did for Australian exporters\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002266a994c341114ca8bfecaa889186d1a8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The question\u2019s finished.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a597827523fa4bcc86e5f49daf217363\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m very confident that the Government\u2019s trade-success to kilometres-travelled ratio will be better than National\u2019s.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224af597be0a2b41a88748223ddaa8ddf1\u0022\u003EHon Todd McClay\u003C/span\u003E: When will he deliver an exemption from these unfair US tariffs as the EU, Canada, Mexico, South Korea, Argentina, Brazil, and Australia have done, so that the New Zealand industry\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022501a8d7b47a14061a6b4ccf0ac24de67\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b3c3c582166422cb5ffcad0d6f0da5d\u0022\u003EHon Todd McClay\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and the public can judge him\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002293b76ec4b3b54924ae8dbccce78986b3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question\u2019s finished. Can I remind the member. I know that\u2014well, in fact, I can\u2019t remember when the member came in and whether he has been in Opposition before, but when the member\u2019s finished his question, he should stop and not continue with an additional bit on the end. He had two legs; he\u2019s not allowed three.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223838fa754f1b4866a1fe164762e2ed65\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, we don\u2019t know. We\u2019re continuing to try. Already, the Prime Minister has written to the President of the US, I\u2019ve written to the US trade representative, I\u2019ve had a number of, and continuing, discussions with the US Ambassador to New Zealand, and I\u2019ve got another meeting coming too. At the instruction of the coalition Government, our trade officials at all levels have been doing their utmost. That includes Ambassador Groser, who will be known to the House as the former chief trade negotiator for New Zealand and a former trade Minister. I have been accepting the advice of officials as to the process to be taken, as well as giving guidance, and I think we have done all we can.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022692faed978174f339a2dd922131fd5eb\u0022\u003EHon James Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: Is the reason why New Zealand doesn\u2019t have an exemption to the US steel tariffs because President Trump can\u2019t find New Zealand on a map?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c728fa2f4b3047289e088d25750abea8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I\u2019m not going to allow that question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002238607917a15645c8b44e060744b141a6\u0022\u003EHealth Services\u2014Air Ambulance Coverage\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u0022fec49ecddc8241f186353b311170b8d8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fec49ecddc8241f186353b311170b8d8\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: Is he satisfied with the Request for Proposals process for air ambulance helicopter services being run by the Ministry of Health?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022 data-id=\u0022b51450f376a245d8afc76fdedc1a05ff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b51450f376a245d8afc76fdedc1a05ff\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m satisfied with the request for proposal (RFP) process, which was set up in May 2016 by the previous National Government. I\u2019m satisfied that the process is driven by a desire to improve clinical outcomes for patients, but I have also been clear that I was not satisfied with early communication and engagement with local communities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f7190d4fedd4c82aec947288977f27e\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Is he concerned that the 70-nautical-mile coverage set out in the RFP excludes large tourist areas of the southern South Island, and that this will be made worse by the absence of a base in Te \u0100nau?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d4b3531811949f7ae9c9532a30fd0c9\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: What I am committed to is the best clinical outcomes for patients. All parts of New Zealand will continue to receive air ambulance services.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d774b357d3845bcbc935b0e35bac182\u0022\u003EHon Todd McClay\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Is he concerned that the identified bases in the RFP excludes Rotorua, Taup\u014D, and Te \u0100nau, and will he commit to asking his ministry to explicitly amend the tender document in the same way that he did for the Gisborne base?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227d4d4dce5c54b0e88493424282583ff\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not clear on the additional leg the member\u2019s added to the question, but I want people to know that this process is driven by concern to improve clinical outcomes for patients, and the process is still open.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ed6ce93735849eea7415ddfce028441\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: What does the Minister say to the thousands of people who have protested in the streets, sent emails, and signed petitions concerned about the loss of life that would occur if the Taup\u014D air ambulance service was removed, and also to the hard-working members of the Coromandel Rescue Helicopter Trust in Whitianga, who were today visited by the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2cd1ad0313b4dbcbe3883ab4aad0995\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s question has finished. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9fc5f331ed241fa8f1af2a904ccf5f4\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: The average age of the air ambulance fleet is 29 years old. That hasn\u2019t happened overnight. The previous Government ought to have put its money where its mouth was, but what I do want to say is that every district health board needs to have a sustainable, high quality ambulance service, no matter how big or small the population that they support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e1cdb0a5d5e44efb24b8908ea9e306e\u0022\u003EAngie Warren-Clark\u003C/span\u003E: How has the Minister personally intervened to improve engagement with local communities?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228533f0cc86324d64857fb431e0ed6512\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not a Minister who will shy away from difficult conversations. That\u2019s why I met with a group of regional mayors last month to listen to their concerns and reassure them about aspects of the process. Because those relationships are important to me, those conversations with the mayors are ongoing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022346f7e3ab8ae45dd91c2ac9d79338950\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Would he be concerned to learn that at least one helicopter trust is already reporting a reluctance by traditional benefactors to donate to them due to the possibility that the service could be operated by an overseas provider, given that, if that happened, it would almost certainly result in a greater cost to the Crown?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fd05448b42b44e08923f5b26ff21a938\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: I am concerned that we have a quality air ambulance service that delivers improved clinical outcomes for patients into the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bdd63a0214af4e2eb0572ab17e491869\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: In that case, can he commit to the people of regional New Zealand that the air ambulance service timeliness and quality will not be diminished in the new contracting framework?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a0872925b3448e29b8623e258458c2b\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: The new contracting framework is precisely designed to improve clinical outcomes for patients.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fc77862b4e0b4bc49591ce2b42666d83\u0022\u003ETertiary Education\u2014Trades Training and Fees-free Policy\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022 data-id=\u002247b7d4d071674686baf36dd69a652f8b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002247b7d4d071674686baf36dd69a652f8b\u0022\u003EMARJA LUBECK (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: What reports has he seen about the need for training in trades occupations?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u00222d99f8c0218f4627a0891e86b1276b64\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222d99f8c0218f4627a0891e86b1276b64\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E I have seen reports that New Zealand is facing a significant shortfall of construction-related workers. It\u2019s expected that 56,000 additional construction-related workers will be needed over the next five years. The Building and Construction Industry Training Organisation, one of the industry\u2019s biggest training organisations, has said it\u2019s on track to produce around a third of that number. Clearly, we need to do a lot more to attract people into trade training, and support them through it. That is what this Government is committed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223280a2be222d4009987b023d93ac8463\u0022\u003EMarja Lubeck\u003C/span\u003E: What action has the Government taken to date to make it easier for young people to train in the trades?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002221d8c0fe42c04e908d5d7275dfb2e3ec\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: Our fees-free policy has already made choosing a trades qualification, either on-job or pre-job, much more affordable. Over half of the students and trainees who benefit from fees free are outside of the universities. Previously, employers and apprentices had to pay training and assessment fees to their industry training organisation. Now, for all eligible apprentices and programmes, those fees are covered under the fees-free policy for up to two years. We\u2019re reducing the cost burden for training for the future building and construction workforce.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246e8297c527349f28e9b4a938f10b2ae\u0022\u003EMarja Lubeck\u003C/span\u003E: Does he consider that the fees-free policy is sustainable?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f20e77c5b4d42fab42a73196470ad89\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, it\u2019s financially and educationally very sustainable. We cannot burden future generations with the cost of tertiary education or block access, when we need to incentivise them to get the right skills and training to succeed in a rapidly changing world. Fees fee has reduced student loan borrowing by up to $140 million in the first calendar quarter of this year, with 25,000 fewer students having to borrow for their fees. That includes thousands undertaking vocational courses at polytechnics and private training establishments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002256a58ee1782a42d485f361f53f7291f1\u0022\u003EMarine Species Protection\u2014Priorities\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022 data-id=\u00223774e740e1b24878b1cab6766bef0c4f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223774e740e1b24878b1cab6766bef0c4f\u0022\u003ESARAH DOWIE (National\u2014Invercargill)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Conservation: What are her current priorities for the conservation portfolio in the marine space?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022 data-id=\u00226d095f0b262a419683380c6f4be2848e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226d095f0b262a419683380c6f4be2848e\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE (Minister of Conservation):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. Thank you. Marine protected areas are vital to protect important habitats and feeding areas for marine mammals, birds, fish, and invertebrates. So one of my priorities is to consider and make decisions on the recommendations of the South-East Marine Protection Forum, to better protect marine life and habitats on the South Canterbury and Otago coast, and I\u2019m determined to see real progress on reducing the bycatch of protected marine mammals and seabirds. I\u2019m committed to progressing Sea Change - Tai Timu Tai Pari in the Hauraki Gulf\u2014something which the previous National Government stalled\u2014and, along with Minister Nash, I\u2019m accelerating work to improve the protection of the endangered Hector\u2019s dolphin.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d6dbcef2c81489f8061a26a1f3426cb\u0022\u003ESarah Dowie\u003C/span\u003E: When will she be successful in her advocacy to her ministerial colleagues, given that she has been reported as saying that reducing bycatch rates are \u201Ctop of mind\u201D, as are overcoming the so-called technical difficulties, and putting a stop to the delay in the roll-out of cameras on commercial fishing vessels?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229260c53551ea459e9eda45cd8fbfbd8f\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: As the member well knows, it\u2019s the Minister of Fisheries who is leading the work on cameras. But the Minister inherited a number of technical and administrative difficulties. We want cameras to work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244754f572c0c4535a665cb4e600959cd\u0022\u003ESarah Dowie\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister acknowledge that our endangered great white sharks require protection, and will she join with me to protect them and the safety of Stewart Islanders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce2035c24f9642ef87a8affedecf9bcb\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: The member for Invercargill, Liz Craig, has been very active in raising with me the concerns of Stewart Island residents\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002266b3d6ed73e044d7bb9e7d08e6b6f4db\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I think the member might want to start her answer again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257cd7a3819284e5b8d82ff8af0f12d83\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: I recognise the seriousness of the Stewart Islanders\u2019 concerns about shark cage diving, but with respect to the member\u2019s bill, it is premature. I\u2019m waiting for the Court of Appeal\u2019s decision as to whether the current law allows the Department of Conservation to issue permits, and the extent to which the department can take public health and safety into account.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf9ce7b9dafa43c2a3d7dc43400f3240\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Could the Minister describe how many times between 2014 and 2018, when this issue was seriously of concern down there in Stewart Island, the member asking the question made a submission to her department?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c490c760c1a44229f38d1efccc34666\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022098fec21cd43494ab86796100e661089\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll listen to the member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dbf1030e07cc45ddb4c9a099244b7dbd\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: You certainly reflect on us not giving\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e19a8e3657a24d408c63dbd28ac081c3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no\u2014I want you to make a point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a219783b0a6446d8b7d8fb4e1e4ce8fe\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: OK\u2014the Minister has no responsibility for what happened between 2014 and 2018.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1d156a5171a468cba575c773072c205\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d92ee4db43fd4e06ae5395f6f89ba70b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll hear the member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228727ca8271784cb88db2f4bc98a2abf9\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I am asking the Minister for a record of submissions to her department on a very serious issue, and for that record that Minister has responsibility.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022302efadf08ef497cb1ef0a41e8f86190\u0022\u003ESarah Dowie\u003C/span\u003E: In that answer, will it reflect verbal submissions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205f5b9f07db142fc8d333566b0ebffc4\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Will it reflect what?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d018cd59ea9d4fde9461dfe0458496ed\u0022\u003ESarah Dowie\u003C/span\u003E: Verbal\u2014oral.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b4078c6c6604ae780e9f664609a6885\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I don\u2019t think I\u2019m in a position to give an answer, but it seems to me that Ms Dowie has indicated that she\u2019d like the Minister to give an answer, which is not quite what Ms Bennett indicated. So I think I\u2019ll stick with the status quo and ask Eugenie Sage to give an answer, notwithstanding the point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c7b197c80d34dc99594d08c5bd00e37\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I don\u2019t have that information with me, but I can provide it in writing subsequently.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022015663f300af4270b683fd04aaf8c29e\u0022\u003ESarah Dowie\u003C/span\u003E: Isn\u2019t the Minister\u2019s track record one of deference and stagnation, and when will she stand up to her ministerial coalition colleagues on behalf of threatened marine species?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc93ad73fb994e7b8ae99071caefb1a8\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: This Government has been in place for six months. On the issue of shark cage diving, which the member reportedly has concerns about, the issue arose in 2014. The previous Government had an opportunity to fix it and they didn\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fd4614b7b0f9499fa2472d471f30d7e2\u0022\u003ESarah Dowie\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc6bceb280fe44268b2f31a5d79542ad\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: A point of order. The member might want to explain to us what \u201Cdeference\u201D means. It\u2019s a new word to me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e7419039fa246fca9c36948eebe8ac2\u0022\u003ESarah Dowie\u003C/span\u003E: Being slow. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226ef43d8d7ff74a60b6f149aa8a79f211\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Being what?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022417c470407904e638d768e229ff6bc63\u0022\u003ESarah Dowie\u003C/span\u003E: Being slow. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002279c9ee91fed940b8b2d6fad72aaf6ffb\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, OK. It\u2019s all right\u2014we\u2019ve had lots of new words. Thank you to the member; she clearly understands that area better than I do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022973c9ab887ad4c14b2327844f15dca2a\u0022\u003ESarah Dowie\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to introduce a member\u2019s bill in my name that would provide best practice regulations for shark cage diving activities to be set down as member\u2019s order of the day No. 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294ec8b0041214ec6bb17c16923db43d3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is there any objection to that process? There is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002220418698c10a4792a1069b6fc491d0d9\u0022\u003ESarah Dowie\u003C/span\u003E: Has she discussed with her ministerial coalition colleagues a draft bill entitled the \u201CMarine Mammals Protection Seismic Surveying Bill\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e14fef0db65474aa9c6f13310a64b44\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: There has been some policy work done on formalising the currently voluntary process in the territorial sea around marine seismic surveys. I would note that in 2014 there was a suggestion, when the code of conduct was reviewed, to the previous Minister of Conservation\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225bb96f3e0a0f45848f8f68de1cdbe051\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002220525beda3c24728bbab0446ab5de94d\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014well, actually, it was 2015\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a7179ca6f44439d99ef99af41e4d195\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! There\u2019s a point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a20c7ebbf914914bdfbe82096e99a78\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s question was very narrow; it has been answered. There is no need for the post-amble.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022201282fb1bd64d61b356e53dfaacf6ea\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member knows well that the sole judge of whether a question has been answered or not is me, and it is not ever to be the subject of a point of order, and\u2014well, I\u2019m going to ask the member whether he was aware of those Speakers\u2019 rulings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab86db1bef3a4e2f9b4ede820bc93e9a\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m very aware of the Speakers\u2019 rulings. We take a different view, but that\u2019s fine.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c9ebe9df4c05416a93ca75a1c0c255c2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK, well\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9217c940f3e48af8330d0d5547f87c1\u0022\u003ESarah Dowie\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce3b4ee5e90c4bee99efd6ae6ff0d03e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the Minister was interrupted. Had the Minister completed\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ccf6bf2cd2845c28e2f7b727f2a58e6\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just correct. The year was 2013, and, as part of the review of the M\u0101ui\u2019s dolphin threat management plan, the former Minister of Conservation agreed that a process should be initiated to regulate seismic surveying by incorporating the code of conduct in regulations made under the Marine Mammals Protection Act. What happened? Nothing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229884e8e8-651f-4f48-a429-70b72d5e2821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002222e21235f2804b80b84187dfa2c0e898\u0022\u003ESarah Dowie\u003C/span\u003E: What types of measures does she envisage would be included in the so-called marine mammals protection (seismic surveying) bill to enhance the protection of marine mammals?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022288e303690284eb2bcec58984f60126b\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: The member appears unaware that in the territorial sea there is a voluntary code of conduct. There is no formal permit process. If that was formalised, it would give certainty to the industry that they were doing legal activities and it would give certainty to the public that marine mammals were being protected.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022daac994c421f4454b4e2190bc1dfaf70\u0022\u003EEnergy and Resources, Minister\u2014Statements on Industry Consultation and Gas Reserves\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022 data-id=\u0022704118f28b534584a2c3e9ddd6e0b38f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022704118f28b534584a2c3e9ddd6e0b38f\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG (National\u2014New Plymouth)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Energy and Resources: Does she stand by all her statements?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u0022012a23762715429bbcbaffdb31364222\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022012a23762715429bbcbaffdb31364222\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Energy and Resources):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, in the context in which they were given.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022106fed242c4e4592a0f7719da327d824\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: When she stated on Q\u002BA that she met with Methanex before their 12 April announcement and has now corrected that to say she didn\u2019t, and when answering questions on her behalf, her colleague Andrew Little said he met with them on 12 April but Methanex says he didn\u2019t, when will she admit to the people of New Zealand that she has dismally failed to consult the petrochemical sector?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229548a00bc4db442689de34045480bc5a\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: I completely reject the premise of the questioner\u2019s question. My colleague Andrew Little said that Methanex were present at a meeting on 12 April that he attended in Taranaki, and that is correct.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002233e4dec066b74f08bfcf1ca373191b9b\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: When she stated on Q\u002BA that New Zealand\u2019s seven to 10 years of gas reserves is probably a pessimistic figure, why would the New Zealand public believe her, and what is her basis for making that statement?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241103dba58124bfe8a773393f9d51474\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Every year, there is the Energy in New Zealand publication, which puts out the forecast reserves of gas. The last quality assured forecast that we have is the 2017 figures. That is currently at around 10 years. The 2018 figures are currently being quality assured and will be released in the coming months. I have no reason to believe that they will be at the pessimistic end of the number that I used on Q\u002BA.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231ecb8458bf84057ac9afcbff92437e8\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Minister release the names of all of those people who attended the meeting on 12 April that Andrew Little was delegated to attend?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022771c931ce4f7433c97f1741ead3ef17d\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: A number of people attended that meeting. It was advertised and people were issued invites. If we\u2019re able to collate that information, we would have no problem releasing it, given that it was a public meeting. I will need to consult with my colleague to see whether it is possible to collate that information.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002259575d2e3537443c93d84622aeb0010e\u0022\u003EPike River Mine Re-entry\u2014Progress\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022 data-id=\u0022413903a1b3794b3f9dfa741dd6701efc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022413903a1b3794b3f9dfa741dd6701efc\u0022\u003EDr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister responsible for Pike River Re-entry: What progress has been made on the Pike River re-entry project?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u00225864e9e06e6e432890da3f43f16b940c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225864e9e06e6e432890da3f43f16b940c\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister responsible for Pike River Re-entry):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m very pleased to convey yet more good news from this Government to the House. Two weeks ago, I visited the mine site and, with family representatives, personally entered the mine portal. This week, technical experts, along with family representatives, have been meeting in Greymouth to work on a draft plan for re-entry into the Pike River drift. This meeting has been a positive experience and good progress is being made. I expect the agency\u2019s recommendation on a proposed approach to re-entry will be presented to me in six to eight weeks\u2019 time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227884ba5fa9e24167af9fd5825d5eb25b\u0022\u003EDr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: What is the time line for the drift re-entry project from here?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ead6a29cb424672a5e97f4f0b92d964\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: Once I receive the agency\u2019s recommendation, I will consider their proposed approach, and, if I believe this is sound and safe\u2014and subject to the advice I get from my independent adviser\u2014I will approve it for more detailed planning. To some extent, re-entry will be season dependent, because of barometric pressures. All things going well, the re-entry process could be able to start before the end of the year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b407bf1393754f5aabbca70293950ca6\u0022\u003EDr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: How have the Pike River families been involved in this process?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228ca859c54b47444d8aa629c89f025efd\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: The coalition Government has been clear about the genuine involvement of the Pike River families in this project. As Bernie Monk stated yesterday, \u201Chand on heart, I can\u2019t see why it\u2019s taken eight years to get to this stage that we\u2019ve done in four days.\u201D It is positive, after years of the previous Government saying it could not be done, that it turns out it can be done, can be done safely, and with the full blessing of the families involved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022db0ed9ce7cec41df84e20640fcfd736f\u0022\u003ERegional Economic Development, Minister\u2014Statements\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u00223a7caf3ea7bc48dfb915cee9a570b6b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223a7caf3ea7bc48dfb915cee9a570b6b9\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Regional Economic Development: Does he stand by all of his statements in regards to the Provincial Growth Fund; if so, will he guarantee that none of the projects funded will have outcomes considered \u201Cfanciful\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u0022eb27f679fe184f6b8aaad9b777aa5874\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eb27f679fe184f6b8aaad9b777aa5874\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Minister for Regional Economic Development):\u003C/span\u003E To the first part of the question, yes; and in so far as the word \u201Cfanciful\u201D is used, it\u2019s been misapplied in a form that\u2019s inversely related to my ministerial temperament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002232d41ae62583491fbd033cda2de56e51\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Does it comply with the Standing Orders to answer in riddles?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c51517e10f54236949d85a052a5bcee\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And it\u2019s part of the responsibility of the Opposition to solve them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022441e8eb92def41bb80994a81d73ca204\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: When he said last week, \u201CI realise that we have the Westminster system. After the next election, if I don\u2019t get what I want, we\u2019re going to have the Axminister system.\u201D, who specifically was he threatening?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257cc4ac1efa8483e8a7b0859a83c9b18\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: In the life of the first citizen of the provinces, there is great hyperbole and theatrical language from time to time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022096abb1d2894454ba0724f34de815117\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he think threatening officials is a laughing matter?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f399feed76d4a22a1e5efa1c4a97827\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: Both officials and members of the House are aware of how seriously I take my role as New Zealand\u2019s first citizen of the provinces. So, from time to time, the member is reading far too much into the language of a colourful, hard-working, rhetorical advocate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246729f242fd8409594d3d4d24760f69f\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister think that the Cabinet Manual, specifically paragraph 3.22(f), which says, \u201CMinisters should exercise a professional approach and good judgement in their interactions with officials. Ministers must respect the political neutrality of the public service \u2026\u201D, applies to him?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4ea563970ba4513a0cd0f3ad0170067\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: In deference to the Cabinet Manual, I can assure you, unlike other parts of my life, I express and practise great fidelity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec706f9df5e14f298254e91f6e14aa1f\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: When he said, in relation to the Wairoa mayor, \u201CI felt pretty stink that I, as the provincial champion, couldn\u2019t even deliver for him.\u201D, how much did he think the responsibility for the lack of delivery lay with him?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c8d23d7e66ce49139dfcb1f57ea1b0fc\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: When I met with the Mayor of Wairoa, he described me as the first Minister since the days of Helen Clark to have ever shown that quality of affection and attention to Wairoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab65541ebfea4bb1ada34a2af6db0080\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware that there is a fine line between being a bit of a character and being a joke, and which side of the line is he on?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002215881d8a397e42319842ae5fe0aea70a\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: I could not describe it better than the New Zealand Herald, who have described me as part jester, part genius, and in 2020 they\u2019ll see the latter and not the former.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229a8101ba90f7488d83b55ff71e602b8d\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Tamaoho Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00222d4be4a09f074c269aca2d48dff41c14\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u00224d2feae90c654cfca8d542f579a6fec2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224d2feae90c654cfca8d542f579a6fec2\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Claims Settlement Bill be now read a second time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThis bill gives effect to a deed of settlement between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, signed at Mangatangi Marae on 30 April 2017. The deed of settlement settles all the remaining historical Treaty of Waitangi claims of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Tamaoho is one of the Waikato-Tainui - affiliated Waiohua groups, located within T\u0101maki-makau-rau. Their interests are centred on the Manukau Harbour and extend to include the Franklin District, Hunua Ranges, \u0100whitu Peninsula, Waikato wetlands, and central Auckland. I acknowledge the work of the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho negotiators and the governance entity, the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Trust Board. I also acknowledge the previous Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, the Hon Chris Finlayson; Government agencies; and local authorities for their contributions to the bill. I also thank the chair and members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, which has done an excellent job in progressing this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe proposed bill gives effect to those elements of the deed which require statute. The bill was referred to the committee on 6 July 2017. The committee received two written submissions, both in support of the bill\u2014one from Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Trust and the other from the Auckland Council. This was the first time in the Treaty settlement process that no submission in opposition to a settlement bill was received. Consequently, there was no requirement for public hearings to be held.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe committee\u2019s commentary on the bill focuses on the settlement matters discussed during consideration of the bill, and, after careful consideration, the committee has recommended the bill proceed with two minor technical amendments. This second reading brings us closer to the concluding stage of settling the historical claims of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho. I intend to talk in more detail in the third reading when we fully celebrate this settlement. Until then, I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022 data-id=\u00228c93e2f18b354bd3a65459064e473b9a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228c93e2f18b354bd3a65459064e473b9a\u0022\u003ENUK KORAKO (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 r\u0101 koutou n\u0101 e t\u014D t\u0101tou matua tipuna. T\u0113nei te mihi o ng\u0101 uri o Tainui waka Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, te Maungaroa Mauka, Waikato Awa. E ng\u0101 iwi o Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho t\u016B mai ng\u0101 marae o Wh\u0101tapaka, Mangatangi, Ng\u0101 Hau e Wh\u0101. Nau mai haere mai o te Whare P\u0101remata. E mihi nei, e tangi nei koutou ng\u0101 taoka whakahirahira koutou e t\u016Bmanako ake nei, koutou e h\u0101pai nei, ka mihi, ka mihi, r\u0101tou ki a r\u0101tou, t\u0101tou ki a t\u0101tou, t\u012Bhei mauriora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E[Greetings to you, our ancestor. This is the greeting of the descendants of the Tainui Canoe, Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho of Maungaroa Mountain, of the Waikato River. The people of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, may your marae of Wh\u0101tapaka, Mangatangi, and Ng\u0101 Hau e Wh\u0101 continue to stand strong. Welcome to this House of Parliament. I greet and lament those long departed special people who had such hopes and furthered the cause; I acknowledge you and say let us leave the deceased to the deceased and us to ourselves, let there be life.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EIt is indeed my honour to be able to stand and speak in the second reading of the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Claims Settlement Bill. I had the pleasure as the chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee in the 51st Parliament to consider this bill in the first stages. I just want to acknowledge the iwi of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho and also their surrounding iwi, because of the incredible honour that they actually gave each other and the mana, particularly when we look at the history of this particular Treaty settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EWhen you observe the conduct of an iwi that has been labelled rebels through their history, and when you hear of the incredible issues that came out of that, and coming to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee to submit\u2014that there is something that really does make an important contribution to the way that these Treaty settlements are actually developed and have developed and the processes involved. Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho has a proud history of working alongside their whanaunga and with the advent of the arrival of the P\u0101keh\u0101 as the new settlers. I think the important thing, though, is that Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho actually had their lands taken from them, and these lands were some of the most fertile and some of the best coastal lands, actually, in New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003ESo when we look at this, this bill now\u2014and particularly getting to this particular stage of the second reading\u2014is a huge step forward. It ensures the future of the iwi where all of that land and taonga were actually cruelly taken in the 1860s. During the course of the hearings, Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho also expressed their frustrations with the length of time it took to get to that particular part of the settlement. Having gone through the settlement process during my own iwi\u2019s processes and development, that is indeed a frustration that is very concerning moving through, but at least we got to this point.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThat said, in this particular one, and particularly the area, or rohe, of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, the complexities here\u2014and particularly when we look at situations like every other Treaty settlement\u2014are the overlapping claims. So navigating that by the Crown\u2014for example, what came out of the submissions was the situation with Te \u0100kitai Wai\u014Dhua and then Ng\u0101ti Te Ata, the whanaunga iwi of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, who actually took some real issues with the aspects of the settlement, particularly in regards to overlapping claims.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EEqually, there are the recent issues raised by Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee as well, which was over the Papakura Defence Force lands. This really did highlight the complexity that I\u2019ve just referred to in the delaying of the settlement itself.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EOften, the Crown can be left with Solomon\u2019s choice when it comes to who has mana over what in which area. Thus, whilst the concerns of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho are acknowledged, what came out of it is that the use of tikanga and the meetings between those whanaunga iwi\u2014what came out of it was a joint redress as the end result. I really do acknowledge the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho rangatira that are here in the House today. In saying that, particularly with those overlapping claims and the cultural redress, I urge you to continue using those tikanga-based processes\u2014whanaungatanga, particularly\u2014to ensure that that continues around those redress properties.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EWe received and considered two submissions. One was from the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Trust, and the other from the Auckland Council\u05AB\u2014keeping in mind, too, that both of those submissions actually supported the bill. But there were a number of critical features with this particular settlement. The commercial redress has been of some concern with Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho\u2014their settlement properties, both shared and exclusive, which gave the iwi access to most of the lucrative real estate market in New Zealand. So these lease-back properties\u2014the former \u014Ctara police station, the Great South Road commercial property, and the school sites\u2014will enable a regular income to accrue to Tamaoho as they manage the growth of their p\u016Btea.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThe other part, too, is that looking at other cultural redress properties in this particular settlement\u2014Clarks Creek, Karaka, and Waitete P\u0101. Those particular redress properties, also along with the Hunua Falls, in partnership\u2014and this was the real whanaungatanga, particularly with Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, Ng\u0101ti Whanaunga, and Ng\u0101ti Koheriki. So that cultural redress package will begin a long process of rebuilding the cultural footprint of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho. I think the important part of this, though, as part of the settlement, is that the vesting will not be carried out until all of those iwi have actually settled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThere is actually no settlement that would fully recompense an iwi for its loss, but a full recognition of the loss of acknowledgment and a proper apology from the Crown cannot be undervalued. This was also a very, very important part of this particular settlement. I think the other part, too, was that the very, very small amount of submissions really did reflect the fact\u2014and particularly when we had the overlapping claims\u2014of how important kotahitanga\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e9c9c2d592a432bab72268d96322ac9\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just draw\u2014I\u2019m sorry to interrupt, but could people have their conversations out in the lobbies? Continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002260a5a267b336494db29eb52a158963ce\u0022\u003ENUK KORAKO\u003C/span\u003E: Just acknowledging the kotahitanga that actually went on during the negotiation process between the whanaunga iwi that were actually associated, and particularly around the overlapping claims.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThis is an important day today for Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho as this second reading passes through the House. Again, I acknowledge the important contributions that each side has made, and also the work of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee as well. I want to acknowledge the chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and the work that we do continually to ensure that these Treaty settlements actually stay to our process of tikanga, and also acknowledging whanaungatanga and kotahitanga. On that note, I commend this bill to the House. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u00228d2545153cb8447dbe0b5607296c8c5b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228d2545153cb8447dbe0b5607296c8c5b\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Deputy Speaker. E t\u016B tautoko ahau t\u0113nei pire; t\u0113nei pire whakatau nei i ng\u0101 ker\u0113me o Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou Waikato taniwha rau, he piko he taniwha, he piko he taniwha. \u0100piti hono, t\u0101tai hono, r\u0101tou te hunga wairua ki a r\u0101tou; \u0101piti hono, t\u0101tai hono t\u0101tou te kanohi ora e pai nei ki a t\u0101tou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I stand in support of this bill; this bill which seeks to settle the claims of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho. Greetings to you Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, welcome to the many taniwha of Waikato, for at each bend of the river, there is a taniwha. Connections having been made, let the dead remain with the dead; connections having been made, may we, the living, remain well together. Greetings to one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI\u2019m delighted to be able to add my contribution to this settlement bill for Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho at its second reading, and can I endorse the contribution made by the former chair of our M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, T\u016Btehounuku\u2014Nuk\u2014Korako. I\u2019m very privileged to have taken over that role in this 52nd Parliament, which this bill straddles. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThis bill was introduced and had its first reading back in, I believe, around July last year, so it got carried over into this new Parliament. To our surprise, as a committee, when we were going through the order of business, we found that there were only two submitters and they were both in support of the bill and they both didn\u2019t want to be heard. So that then indeed was a first for this Parliament, actually, to have a Treaty settlement bill, yeah, with such broad support from the submitters. Few as they were, they were very significant. They were obviously the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Trust Board and the Auckland Council, who also play quite a key role in the ongoing management of certain aspects of the settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo I just want to touch on some of the key things. Whilst we didn\u2019t meet Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, we were able to glean a lot of the issues through the advice that we received as a committee. What stuck out, to me, was just the complexity and the difficulty that we face in the T\u0101maki-makau-rau area, just with the sheer number of different iwi and hap\u016B groups that all share overlapping interests in the Auckland metropolitan area. There are 14 iwi and hap\u016B groups which overlap and neighbour Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho\u2014one we\u2019re actually also considering through this House at the moment with the Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki settlement. So there are very complex negotiations and discussions and compromises that have to go on to actually achieve these settlements. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo I would just like to salute Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho. You know, they\u2019ve had to make a lot of concessions to enable this settlement to advance to this point, and that was evidenced by some of their concessions over historical accounts, with their whanaungas, Te \u0100kitai Wai\u014Dhua, and also there was quite fierce opposition from Ng\u0101ti Te Ata to the majority of cultural and commercial redress properties which were offered to Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EAs we are facing in so many of our settlements, the Crown, ideally, would want to see these overlapping interests resolved between the respective claimant groups, but, unfortunately, that doesn\u2019t always turn out to be the case, and, therefore, the Minister has to ultimately make a decision, and that\u2019s what happened in the case of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho. The settlement package was ultimately agreed to by way of a deed of settlement. Certainly, Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho wouldn\u2019t be entirely happy with what was achieved, but, again, they have implored to the committee that they want to advance this settlement through as quickly as possible. They\u2019re anxious for the bill to pass, and so that\u2019s what we took note of as a committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESome of the other key issues that arose were just some technical issues around the Hunua scenic reserve and the Auckland Council\u2019s role as the administering body. The Hunua scenic reserve will be vested in four iwi, which include Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho and three others: Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki, Ng\u0101ti Koheriki, and Ng\u0101ti Whanaunga\u2014excuse me, if from my scribbling of the names I may not have read them properly. But, again, these are innovations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThese are scenic reserves, which are reserves under the Reserves Act. For those who are familiar with the Hunua area, it\u2019s a very, very beautiful part of the country, and the Auckland Council is the administering body. So we had, as a committee, made amendments to the bill just to clarify the division of powers and responsibilities between the owners of the reserve, which will be the four iwi and Auckland Council in regard to the processing of applications for interests or the creation of interests over the reserve property. So that was one technical aspect, but I think it was very important that we were able to clarify that within clause 52 of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThe other matter which came to light subsequent to the submissions that we received was some concern from Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho around the New Zealand Defence Force land at Papakura, which is included as commercial redress. That property is to be vested in Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho and Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki as a deferred selection. There were some concerns which were raised subsequent to their written submission, and they were dealt with by the Minister. So we didn\u2019t actually play a part in trying to resolve those issues. It was sort of beyond the scope and we had already received and processed the submissions. But, ultimately, the Minister made decisions in respect of that matter. Again, it may not have been to Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho\u2019s liking, but what we are doing here with these Treaty settlements is implementing what has been agreed to in the deed of settlement, and we are putting through legislation that gives effect to certain aspects in these deeds of settlement. The Papakura property, as I understand it, was dealt with in the deed, and it was agreed to between the parties involved, and we are just merely giving effect to that\u2014giving effect to those measures that require legislative passage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo there is a lot. It might be a very small hap\u016B, Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, but like every Treaty settlement, there are a multitude of complex issues that arise. But it is fascinating, as chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, to get a wider understanding of not only the history but also just the sheer number and the respective histories of all of the many, many iwi and hap\u016B groups that are involved in that great region.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo we have completed our task as a committee. I\u2019d like to acknowledge the Minister and fellow members of the committee and the task that we\u2019ve undertaken to bring the bill to this point and, without further ado, I commend the bill to the House. Kia ora t\u0101tau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022 data-id=\u00227b9b7244d6d84e4d828d831b2cdd7f4f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227b9b7244d6d84e4d828d831b2cdd7f4f\u0022\u003EANDREW BAYLY (National\u2014Hunua):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It\u2019s a pleasure to be talking on the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Claims Settlement Bill in its second reading. Of course, this relates to an area in my electorate of Hunua, but, much more pertinent to me, the marae for the people of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho is actually very close to where I live. I just want to acknowledge some of the rangatira, but, in particular, Dennis Kirkwood, who\u2019s the chief negotiator and a great person, and also Hero Potini, who I see regularly at events in my electorate. But I know there are many others involved in the settlement, and I do pay homage to them. This is a great position to be in\u2014that the House is bringing this bill and progressing it through\u2014because, as Rino Tirikatene, the previous speaker, noted, it\u2019s not a huge iwi but is important none the less, and this bill seeks to address a wrong that we\u2019ve heard about so many times before. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003EI always find it rather heartbreaking reading the stories about what went on with the various iwi around New Zealand, where we are trying to come to a peaceful end to those pieces of history that many of us do not want to think about and consider. But, in particular, with the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho area, it was interesting that this was an iwi that was actually very supportive of the Crown. It actually undertook a lot of commercial development with the Crown prior to the 1840s and, as part of that, sold a lot of their land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003EIn fact, it came to an agreement with the Crown that there would be 400 acres that would be protected for them and for public purposes. Then it went through a process after the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi where the iwi actually sold land in Remuera. Part of that was that one-tenth of that land, or some of the land that they owned, was to be held back for the benefit of the iwi. But it all sort of came to a head in 1863, when the Crown\u2014as it did in many places\u2014asked Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho to actually swear an oath of allegiance. Without sufficient time, the iwi could not comply with that request, and from then on were deemed to be against the Crown, which, from all accounts, was not actually the case. After the Waikato Wars, they were then deemed to be ineligible for any compensation. So as a result, by 1900\u2014roughly\u2014they were virtually landless. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019ve watched this iwi over the years that I\u2019ve lived in that area and, obviously, they\u2019ve been working for a very long process for redress. It\u2019s interesting to note that some of the areas that they will be given some control over, which are very, very familiar to me, are \u0100whitu Peninsula; the Drury-Hingaia area, just north of Karaka; the Karaka Stream, very near where I live; Mauku and all these areas; and, of course\u2014very significantly\u2014the Hunua Falls, which are going to be co-managed. Again, that is a place of huge scenic interest in my electorate, but it is also very significant for many people in many other ways. Also, there is the settlement round the Papakura Defence Force land, which is obviously a very significant commercial opportunity, and they have been given joint custody or stewardship over that area. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019d just like to say that I\u2019m very appreciative of the work that the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee have done. I acknowledge the rangatira of the iwi, and I\u2019m just glad to see this bill progressing through the House as quickly as it may do. Thank you very much. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022 data-id=\u002225f7e144d46d433788a94e6206f270bd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002225f7e144d46d433788a94e6206f270bd\u0022\u003EJENNY MARCROFT (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Madam Deputy Speaker. E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 rau rangatira m\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Ka nui aku mihi aroha ki a koutou, ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau wh\u0101nui o te iwi o Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Ka mihi ahau hoki ki aku hoa kei te t\u016B hoki ki te k\u014Drero m\u014D t\u0113nei kaupapa i roto i te Whare nei. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003E[To all of you from different walks of life and cultures, distinguished guests, I greet you all. I offer a warm welcome to you, affiliates of the extended family of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, greetings. I also acknowledge my colleagues who have stood to speak to this matter before us in this House. Greetings to one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EThank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, and I am very privileged to be able to stand here on behalf of New Zealand First and speak on the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Claims Settlement Bill in its second reading. I\u2019d just like to make note of the many connections. I\u2019m from Ng\u0101puhi in the North. There are many connections with Waikato and Ng\u0101puhi, and I\u2019d like to make note of Reit\u016B and Reipae, two Waikato princesses who ventured into the North.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EUnfortunately, we didn\u2019t get to meet Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho in the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee when they made their submission. So I think in that part of the process\u2014for me, having been involved in politics for only a short six months\u2014to not have them to meet face to face is a disappointment for me, but I am very pleased that we are able to progress their settlement and to now be at the second reading today. It took over four years after the deed was signed until the first reading\u2014now over a year ago\u2014so this second reading really couldn\u2019t come quickly enough. So I hope from this point on we are able to progress and reach the final stages of the settlement for Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, because they have been waiting far too long.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to acknowledge the former Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, the Hon Christopher Finlayson, and the work he has done previously in progressing this settlement. One of the things that he talked about in his first reading speech was reflecting on the history of the relationship between the Crown and the settling iwi, Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho. It is a long history of gradual but constant land loss and of the conflicts that severely impacted on Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, and we should always keep those conflicts and the degradation and that loss well in our minds so that we never return to that space. The Crown also, he mentioned, hopes to restore its honour and alleviate what can only be described as an acute sense of grievance. Those are just some of the ways that we can enable healing and moving forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EI\u2019d just like to talk a little bit about Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho and their rohe that extends\u2014it\u2019s quite a large tract of land, and very fertile, amazing land. We\u2019ve built much of our city upon it in T\u0101maki-makau-rau\u2014the isthmus to south to the Waikato River and to the Whangamarino wetlands. It extends from the west coast to the Hauraki Gulf and the Firth of Thames. There are interests also concentrated in the Manukau lowlands, \u0100whitu Peninsula, Papakura, the Hunua Ranges, Mangatangi, and, of course, Whangamarino.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EThis is an amazing tract of land. It includes land that is rich and fertile. The area around Pukekohe, which is really known as New Zealand\u2019s food basket\u2014those rich soils are growing much of our food today, and, unfortunately, we see lots of that land now being cut up for housing, and that too is a shame. Remuera\u2014some of the most expensive real estate in the country\u2014once was, but still really is, a Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EAcknowledging this tribe today, this iwi, and seeing the submissions that they made\u2014two submissions only\u2014to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Trust Board endorse this bill in its entirety. The trust has carefully reviewed the bill and considers that it gives effect to both the intent and the detail of the deed of settlement. They feel that completion of the claims negotiation process\u2014that is, adoption of the bill\u2014will enable them to move beyond this period of history into a more positive context. They state in their submission that any further delay or other problems through the legislative process would undermine what they have been able to achieve. So it is important that we do move swiftly on this to give them completion so that they too can move forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003ENoting also the complexity of the overlapping claims in the T\u0101maki-makau-rau area and the Defence Force lands, and what Auckland Council said in their supporting submission\u2014they sought two minor technical amendments to clause 52 of the bill. The purpose of the amendments are twofold, really: to clarify the administrative process the council must follow for the transfer of the Hunua scenic reserve land to four iwi\u2014and we\u2019ve heard them talked about in Rino Tirikatene\u2019s speech today\u2014and to disapply section 59A of the Reserves Act 1977, which currently allows the Minister of the administering body to grant a concession in respect of the Hunua Falls scenic reserve. The land in the falls area will remain a scenic reserve, with Auckland Council being the administering body, as if under section 28 of the Reserves Act 1977. The bill prescribes that as long as the council remains that administering body, the regional parks management plan in force will continue to apply. The transfer of the Hunua Falls property will take effect on the latest of the settlements for the four participating iwi, and it\u2019s still not clear when that will occur. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EIn summary, I\u2019d just like to mention how Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho are able to move on and what are the benefits of this settlement for them. One of the negotiators for Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho says that it is a chance to share their history, and that will be one of the biggest benefits of their settlement. Dennis Kirkwood said, about a year ago, that they were already making their mark on the landscape. They unveiled a plaque at Patum\u0101hoe, near Pukekohe, at the site of what was once a very significant village and urup\u0101. He said that was an initiative from the Auckland Council and Auckland Transport, and their urging of the city\u2019s mana whenua iwi to create signage spelling out the association of the people with that land.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EI think that\u2019s an important way that we can keep our history alive so that all that come to that area are aware of more than just the current situation there. They can see and read about the history, as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EHe believes that they need more awareness other than just perhaps the odd street sign. Although street signs are important\u2014trying to get the old names back on some of those lands before they are, in Auckland\u2019s case, cut up and then renamed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003ESo, in conclusion, I would just like to thank all of those members from the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee who have worked in this Parliament and the previous Parliament on progressing the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Claims Settlement Bill through the House. With that, I\u2019d just like to say congratulations to the iwi and all the very best. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022 data-id=\u0022d8bf4e3f84dc45b497e7c6fd67b2a649\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d8bf4e3f84dc45b497e7c6fd67b2a649\u0022\u003EJO HAYES (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ka nui te mihi atu ki ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau wh\u0101nui o Ng\u0101ti Tamoho.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E[Thank you. May I offer a warm welcome to the extended family of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI\u2019m pleased to stand to take a call on the second reading of the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Claims Settlement Bill. As the previous speakers have said, Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho is a Waikato-Tainui hap\u016B, and thereto are also beneficiaries of both the Waikato Raupatu Claims Settlement Act 1995 and the Waikato-Tainui Raupatu Claims (Waikato River) Settlement Act 2010. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003ENgati Tamaoho\u2019s marae are represented on the Te Kauhanganui of Tainui\u2014of the Waikato-Tainui parliament. This is a great moment for them. As many of our previous speakers have said, they are a small hap\u016B, but they have been able to get a voice on the Kauhanganui, and that is a very good thing to have three voices there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003ELike all other claims that have come through this House, I see the history of the Treaty claims process and how many of the iwi were displaced and were made virtually landless. Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho in the 1900s weren\u2019t an exception to that. Many of them have experienced, over time, severe social and economic marginalisation and deplorable housing conditions. I see that this bill is a step towards helping them to recover economically from those atrocities. Like all other M\u0101ori tamariki, they were marginalised in schools and segregated, and, like my father, smacked for even contemplating or even uttering Te Reo M\u0101ori in the schools. So, therefore, I say today, as we start moving forward and a lot of things have happened to do with legislation around Te Reo M\u0101ori, that that is not the case today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThe settlement of P\u0101keh\u0101 in the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho rohe has resulted in a number of environmental issues, and there\u2019s been little control over stopping that from happening, especially around introduced flora and fauna in the rohe. But through this bill there has been opportunity for the iwi to\u2014we have letters of introduction to the various ministries. But I\u2019m sure that those letters of introduction are way after the fact of the relationship-building between Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho and those ministries already happening prior to those letters of introduction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThis settlement provides for financial and commercial redress of $10.3 million and a cultural revitalisation fund of $590,000. Some may say that\u2019s just a drop in the bucket; I say it\u2019s a good drop in the bucket. It gives them an ability to leverage that amount of financial redress and to be able to move forward. I know of other iwi that have had less and have come out and been able to grow their investments through wise counsel from a number of their people, and from external consultation as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EMy speech today is short for the second reading. It is short because a lot of what has been said in this House I do tautoko. I think that the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee does an amazing job with these Treaty settlement bills. This is another one of the Hon Chris Finlayson\u2019s mahi\u2014the work that he did in the 51st Parliament. And again, I take my hat off to the Hon Chris Finlayson because he has, I believe, gone down in the history of this and previous parliaments as being one of the best Treaty negotiation Ministers to have ever graced this House. So it is without hesitation that I too join with everybody in this House speaking to this bill and commend it to the House. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u0022ebbaa41710fb44d996cd83a6ee0a7ffe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ebbaa41710fb44d996cd83a6ee0a7ffe\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Deputy Speaker. I too rise to speak, on behalf of the Green Party, in support of the second reading of the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Claims Settlement Bill and acknowledge, as always, the sense of responsibility and privilege to be able to speak on settlement bills in this House but also, more importantly, the sacrifice of the hap\u016B in getting to this point and how long the journey has been for them to get here today\u2014one step closer to the end of this settlement process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EOn the second reading, it is our tradition in the Greens to talk about the process and the submissions in the select committee as well as restating some of the history, because it is so rarely that New Zealanders get to hear that history of what has happened in our country. So I will take a moment to imperfectly retell some of that story. Part of the process of colonisation in this country is that many New Zealanders, myself included, will hear the words \u201CNg\u0101ti Tamaoho\u201D and they won\u2019t know where those people are from. So I\u2019m going to take a moment to try and explain, as well as my geography allows, where the people of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho live and where they are from. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s a hap\u016B that extends from the northern Waikato - South Auckland area, and they\u2019ve lived across that rohe for centuries. That extends from the north of the T\u0101maki isthmus to south of the Waikato River and Whangamarino wetlands, and from the west coast right across to the Hauraki Gulf and the Firth of Thames. So, as has been mentioned by other speakers, in describing the breadth and extent of that rohe, we understand also the fertility of that land and the wealth that exists on that land now, and have a sense of the pain that must be felt from the people of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho from the displacement from that land and that wealth that exists there now. As they described in their submission, as a hap\u016B, they were a numerous iwi with extensive p\u0101 throughout these areas that now no longer exist.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EIn their submission, they noted the comments from the historian David Armstrong, who helped them with the researching of their claim, and I want to quote that directly. Their submission was short because it had been a very long process to get to this point. I think it is meaningful, this message, and it should be shared. So in the words of the historian, he said, \u201CI doubt that any other iwi in New Zealand suffered as grievously at the hands of their Treaty partner (as Tamaoho). In my long experience as a Treaty historian I have certainly encountered no other iwi who were treated as harshly as this.\u201D Of course, it\u2019s not a competition of who is harmed the most, but it does seem really important in this House to acknowledge the depth of loss and pain and wrong of the State towards Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EAs a bit of a description of some tiny little bit of what happened to them\u2014so, after the signing of Te Tiriti, Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho sought new economic opportunities and sold some of their land in Remuera. At that time, it was a sales arrangement where there was an expectation that one-tenth of that land would be reserved for public purposes and for the benefit of M\u0101ori. The Crown failed to do this. The Crown purchasing activities after that created tensions between iwi that led to armed conflict, and this is a pattern we hear commonly across the country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThen, in the 1840s and 1850s, Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho rangatira were recognised as being friendly to P\u0101keh\u0101, and they were quite successful and engaged in that new economy at the time. And then\u2014so shortly after that; in the 1860s, I think\u2014the Crown decided that M\u0101ori in South Auckland, in this rohe, would be required to swear an oath of allegiance or vacate their settlements. They didn\u2019t give the people of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho time to be able to consider that demand. Despite there being a history of peaceful engagement with the Crown, the Crown troops burnt buildings and looted properties at P\u014Dkeno, and then labelled most of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho as rebels and evicted them from their settlements and confiscated most of their remaining lands\u2014lands which we, as P\u0101keh\u0101 in this country, have benefited significantly from the development of.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThat is just a tiny part of that history of colonisation and abuse of the people in that area. I want to acknowledge that this settlement process is meant to create a platform to move forward, for them to have redress and acknowledgment and an apology. But I also want to acknowledge that in their submission they note that their experience of negotiating this has been painful but that they set themselves key criteria for that negotiation to resolve as quickly as possible, to be able to have the new future for themselves and not to undermine relationships with other iwi and hap\u016B. In an area where there are many iwi and hap\u016B, that was no small feat. It has been spoken about many times already in this debate\u2014the incredible examples that they set in doing this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI understand this is the first Treaty settlement bill that has come to the House without any opposing submissions. Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho put so much effort into resolving the concerns with other hap\u016B and iwi through tikanga processes outside of this formal settlement. They again, I believe, should be acknowledged for that, and I want to commend them for their spirit of kotahitanga and recognise that many of the tensions that often come up are an impact of Crown actions and the process of colonisation that in all too many ways go unchallenged by the settlement process. We still, sadly, often end up with accounts of history that are limited by the prescribed language of the Crown, which to me seems, unavoidably, another act of colonisation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ESo I do want to acknowledge that this is imperfect, but Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho have done an incredible job for their people in this environment to be able to create a platform for their people to move forward, which has resulted in a settlement, a vesting of sites, the changing of 21 geographic place names, and statutory acknowledgments and deeds of recognition for 43 places that will enable their ongoing participation in Resource Management Act processes that give life to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, as well as the financial and commercial redress. So I\u2019m pleased to finish now, to move one step closer to the final settlement for these people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022 data-id=\u0022806fb64542de4c96b2de58933f1c24b8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022806fb64542de4c96b2de58933f1c24b8\u0022\u003EDr PARMJEET PARMAR (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for this opportunity to take this call on the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Claims Settlement Bill. I\u2019m really pleased to have this opportunity to contribute in the second reading of this very significant bill. As soon as I saw that I had this opportunity to speak in the second reading of this bill, a very interesting experience came to my mind, and this is from when I was very new here, in 2014.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EAt that time, some of my caucus colleagues were taking photos of MPs with special interests in some specific areas. Of course, along with my interest in science, business, and other areas, I also have an interest in history and culture. Coming from a country that has a very long history and very rich culture, and coming to New Zealand, which has, again, a very rich and very unique history, I joined my colleagues to be part of that photo with a specific interest in M\u0101ori policy. Obviously, the photo went out, and in a couple of weeks my colleague Nuk Korako came to me and said, \u201CParmjeet, I\u2019m getting a huge number of calls about you.\u201D He said, \u201CPeople are asking \u2018Who is this new M\u0101ori MP, and what is her iwi?\u2019\u00A0\u201D, and I said to him, \u201CI\u2019m available to be adopted.\u201D So it\u2019s great to call New Zealand home and it\u2019s great to have this opportunity to contribute in the second reading of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EThis is not like any other bill. For other bills, of course, we see a legislative gap and we come up with a bill and bring that before the House, but this bill is a result of a big force from Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho\u2014it\u2019s because of their determination. I can imagine the amount of work that the iwi has done for us to realise that this is a very important issue and it needs to be addressed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EWithin the National Party caucus, I have to say that the Hon Chris Finlayson has been hugely passionate about Treaty settlements and I want to give him credit for that. I also want to acknowledge the current Minister, the Hon Andrew Little. I acknowledge the current and the past chair and committee members.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EI am not a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, but I\u2019ve seen that this bill received two submissions, and both submissions supported this bill. The good thing is that this bill has come back before the House recommending only some minor and technical changes, and the number of submissions that this bill received actually reflects the support that this bill has to go through the House. In my experience, when there is an issue that is controversial, we get a big number of submissions, but something like this, where everybody agrees\u2014of course, the relevant iwi agree, and the wider communities agree\u2014we don\u2019t get that many submissions. But these two submissions were really solid submissions, and I want to thank those submitters for their contribution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EThis bill is to also provide financial redress and a cultural cultivation fund. This bill is also to acknowledge wrongdoings in the past, so it\u2019s a great bill, that is to bring this Treaty settlement between the Crown and the iwi. I really hope that the passing of this bill will help the iwi unlock their economic potential. It\u2019s great to see that this bill is receiving cross-party support, so I\u2019m really looking forward, just like everyone else, to this bill passing through the House. I support this bill and commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u00224637808156a04885ba39d31d674e3713\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224637808156a04885ba39d31d674e3713\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The next call is a split call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00228f3d7a98500d4768af325cbd82245f24\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228f3d7a98500d4768af325cbd82245f24\u0022\u003EADRIAN RURAWHE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Hau\u0101uru):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101, otir\u0101 e tika ana kia tuku mihi atu hoki ki a Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho; t\u0113nei ahau e tuku mihi atu ki a koutou e m\u0101takitaki mai n\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[May I formally greet you Madam Deputy Speaker, and it is only proper to offer greetings to Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho; I stand here to welcome those of you who are watching, therefore greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s always a pleasure to speak on Treaty settlement bills, and this one in particular. As my colleague Jan Logie pointed out, in terms of the history of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, everything that they suffered in the scale of Treaty settlements is very near the top end of breaches to the Treaty that they have endured. One of the things that I thought I might do today is just say thank you\u2014thank you on behalf of my constituents, thank you on behalf of New Zealand. I think New Zealand should say thank you to Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho: thank you for accepting a framework which is imperfect; thank you for working diligently through the process of getting to this point of accepting a settlement that addresses the breaches to the Treaty.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EWe all know that it\u2019s not compensation, and it\u2019s really important for us to always remember the difference. The difference means that Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho has accepted a way forward, as they stated in their submission, so that they can move forward as a people. I think this House ought to acknowledge that, and I\u2019m sure each one of us in this House\u2014and I acknowledge all of the contributions so far that have made the same kinds of comments about Treaty settlement bills. I think that this, along with other settlement bills, shows how we can as a nation move forward, and I too want to acknowledge the Hon Andrew Little and the Hon Christopher Finlayson for their work on this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EWhere I come from, if there\u2019s something wrong and we call a hui, then a lot of people turn up and a lot of people will be complaining. I think the fact that there are only two submissions indicates that the work done behind the scenes to address overlapping issues was a very considered, constructive one delivered by Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, because if there were outstanding issues with overlapping claimants and others, we would have seen a number of submissions objecting to the settlement. In this case, as has been pointed out before in this debate, for the very first time there were no opposing submissions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI think, again, we should give thanks in particular to Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Trust Board, and I want to acknowledge the chairperson, Dennis Kirkwood, for all of the work that they have done on getting their settlement to this point. I think that in acknowledging Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho we should also acknowledge the length of time that it\u2019s taken. It\u2019s been a really long time, and I wonder why it has to be that way. I think we probably, in every settlement, should be as expeditious as we can. I\u2019m not certain why this one has taken so long, but I suspect it was how I\u2019ve already acknowledged\u2014there were overlapping issues to deal with. It is a pleasure to speak on this bill, and I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022 data-id=\u0022a98a57c3330e401e8963a068541ee3c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a98a57c3330e401e8963a068541ee3c4\u0022\u003ESIMEON BROWN (National\u2014Pakuranga):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is a pleasure to take a call on the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho Claims Settlement Bill for the second reading this afternoon. As this House progresses through another stage another Treaty settlement, we reflect on the principles of the Treaty that this House is seeking to redress, and in terms of what we able to do as a Parliament to be able to ensure that we make progress in regards to our Treaty settlements. This is about ensuring that we, as a House, recognise the wrong which has taken place over the history of our country, about strengthening the partnership between the Parliament, the Government, the Crown, and the iwi, and about ensuring that our iwi have the economic potential so that they can determine their own future. This bill does those things and is based upon those principles.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EWhen we look at the wrong that was done to the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho people, it is shameful on our history. It is good to see that while over a hundred years has gone past, we are now doing something about that, and it is good to see that this legislation is progressing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EI thought it was very fitting for the Minister of Justice, whose name this bill is in, to recognise that there were only two submissions and both submissions were in favour of this bill, and that, for the first time, there was no opposing submission. I thought that showed a level of partnership in the process. It showed that good faith had been entered into by both parties and that the issues were appropriately dealt with to get us to this stage. As we progress now to committee stage and then through to the third reading, I know that that will continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EThis bill does a number of different things. It vests a number of sites with iwi, jointly vests management of the Hunua Ranges with the iwi and Auckland Council, statutorily acknowledges a number of sites with Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, changes a number of names, and grants cultural and financial redress and commercial redress of four sites. As I said earlier, that is about the principle of ensuring that the iwi is put in a position where they are able to leverage that opportunity to ensure that they can advance the economic potential for the people of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, of which there are 2,500, and ensure that their future is a bright one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EI commend this bill to the House. I commend Minister Little for progressing this, and Minister Finlayson as well. It is good to see it going through with the support from both sides of the House. Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u0022cd08ff6654d34ef4a7866d82e81acad0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cd08ff6654d34ef4a7866d82e81acad0\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Associate Minister for M\u0101ori Development):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Madam Deputy Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Ko Mokai ki runga, ko T\u0101maki ki raro, ko Pare Hauraki ko Pare Waikato, Te Kaokao o P\u0101tetere, ko Mangatoatoa ki waenganui, hoki ake mai ki Te Nehenehenui. T\u0113nei te mihi ki a Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho i t\u0113nei w\u0101. N\u014D reira, e tika ana ki te hoki aku mahara ki te koroua rongonui taku hoa tawhito, Toko Pompey, te kaum\u0101tua m\u014D te iwi, te toa ki te mahi whakangahau, e tika ana ki te maumahara ia i t\u0113nei w\u0101. N\u014D reira, Madam Deputy Speaker, koutou katoa, t\u0113nei te tino mihi ki a koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Greetings Madam Speaker. Indeed, greetings to everyone. M\u014Dkau is above, T\u0101maki is below, boundaries include Hauraki and Waikato, as far as Te Kaokao Roa o P\u0101tetere, Mangatoatoa lies between, territory otherwise known as Te Nehenehenui. I acknowledge you, Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho. It is only proper that I remember that famous elder, my old friend Toko Pompey, an elder statesman of his people, and a champion entertainer; it is fitting to remember him at this time. Therefore, Madam Deputy Speaker, indeed to all of you, greetings.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EAt this time, I wanted just to pay tribute to one of our koroua who played a major part in this too. He wasn\u2019t part of the negotiating team, but he was talking about his tribe when we started on M\u0101ori radio, back in the late 1980s. Toko Pompey, or Sammy D, as he was known in terms of his stage name, was one of the great kaum\u0101tua for this tribe, and regularly would berate us on radio and tell the Tamaoho story like nobody else could. He was an entertainer-plus, a stunning saxophone player, and a great singer modelled on Sammy Davis Jr. Yes, he was\u2014he was an entertainer-plus. Plenty of fun, Sammy D, or Toko Pompey, and then he had the serious side where he was a kaik\u014Drero for our M\u0101ori Queen\u2014our great friend, well-known by the Hon Peeni Henare and the Hon Nanaia Mahuta.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EThese were the sorts of characters who might not have been at the final sign off in terms of these types of korero, but they played such an integral role in terms of our tribes, these korouas who would come on M\u0101ori radio or M\u0101ori Television and berate us about the history and the anguish of their tribe. As all the speakers have said on both sides, this is right up there in terms of atrocities, with regards to what\u2019s happened to different tribes. This is right up there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s a tribute to this House that we can come together on occasions like this, on kaupapa like this, to remember the atrocities. There are very few places in the world\u2014I think we can all pat ourselves on the back\u2014where we can actually acknowledge the treachery of the Crown back in those days. What they did to that tribe, who were very compliant with the Crown, is unforgivable\u2014unforgivable. However, our people have moved on. This kaupapa was taken by the Hon Chris Finlayson and handled tremendously well, handled with the utmost of sensitivity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWhat I did enjoy from the previous Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations was when he talked about how this type of history should be taught in the schools, so that all New Zealanders are aware of the history and treachery of the Crown, and that would make it so much easier for so many of our kids today and people today to understand what we are doing here in the House, because lots of them don\u2019t know\u2014lots of them don\u2019t know\u2014and the former chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, Nuk Korako over there, knows better than anyone else. He was chairing this through this process. So sometimes people are watching from the outside and they don\u2019t know the business of this House. It would certainly help in terms, I think, of settlements, if there was some sort of narrative given in the schools, and this Tamaoho story is one heck of a story.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI\u2019m mentioning the koroua today, very much in context of the bill\u2014as I said, Toko Pompey, because Toko was an entertainer and he wrote a song about the ancestor Tamaoho, which was sung by the great M\u0101ori singer Richard Eriwata. It is the most beautiful song. It talks about the ancestor and the wairua and the history. So I mihi to that koroua today. I spoke at his tangi about 18 months ago, with many of Tainui, but I pay tribute to him in the House today for what he did, and I pay tribute also to Chris Finlayson. To our Minister, of course, Andrew Little, he\u2019s doing a terrific job\u2014I mihi to him, and to the former chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, Nuk Korako, and, of course, our current chair, Rino Tirikatene, who is working to get this through. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EThe great thing about this, as we all know, is no one plays any politics. Everybody knows what an injustice it was and we get on with the business so that that tribe can get some justice, and they\u2019re getting that. They\u2019ve got the settlement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESadly, they\u2019re not going to get Remuera returned to them or Waiheke Island. It would\u2019ve been nice to have\u2014or some of the lands around Pukekohe or around Karaka. Yes, it would\u2019ve been nice to have actually had some of that returned in terms of the redress, but the reality is\u2014they know what the reality is. They know what the reality is, and the reality is that those types of lands would never be returned. Again, if New Zealanders could understand that when they drive through Remuera, when they drive along the Pukekohe highway, when they see the different land, if New Zealanders were all aware of the history and the treachery that went on there, I think that race relations would be much better in this country\u2014much better in this country. If they understood what \u201Clandless\u201D means in terms of an iwi\u2014it is very tough for an iwi that is landless. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EBut it\u2019s not just about being landless; for us it\u2019s a loss of mana for a lot of them. It\u2019s a loss of wairua. There\u2019s so many generations who are affected, who were affected, by the outrage that went down in this area. As I said, it would be just terrific if all of New Zealand were aware of the history that went down in this area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWe have another reading coming up and I intend to have another k\u014Drero at that reading. But I just want to mihi to everyone who\u2019s made a contribution today, and I congratulate people for their k\u014Drero and I look forward to the third reading when we come to a conclusion. I\u2019m sure it\u2019ll be lovely on that day if some of the people from Tamaoho can join us to celebrate the sign off of a settlement that is well and truly deserved for the people of that area. Kia ora an\u014D t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022 data-id=\u002221c53dea456d4d91bc3587f8ec75da7f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002221c53dea456d4d91bc3587f8ec75da7f\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E E mihi ana ki ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E[I acknowledge the descendants of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EWhen I stand to speak on these Treaty settlement readings, on these Treaty settlement bills, I do so ever mindful of the immense privilege but also mindful of the burden that goes with that, now standing in the position as a member of Parliament, because in this role there\u2019s an acknowledgment of the wrongdoings by the Crown to the people who have endured this for many, many generations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI acknowledge all the previous speakers in the House today, who have spoken with heartfelt, sincere eloquence. Being one of the later speakers on this, I will pick up just some of the threads that have been referenced from my colleagues.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EOne of those is that when one stands to address the House and members of the public on matters of Treaty settlements, there\u2019s no dispute whatsoever about the repugnancy of the history and the depth of the hurt and the wrongdoing and the injustice, and we come together as political parties, not politicising this in any way whatsoever, but to acknowledge, address, and redress those wrongdoings from the past. That is our responsibility as agents of the Crown and members of Parliament in moving matters forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Tamaoho is not a tribal people that I was aware of, regrettably, until my service as a member on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. As a first-time servant on that committee with my colleague Jenny Marcroft, who spoke earlier, I share with her also that not having the privilege of being able to meet some of the people\u2014and I look forward to that at the third reading in the final passage of this bill\u2014is that the context that we garner from the history is based on what we have read. I\u2019ve not had the privilege of hearing the people speak, and, undoubtedly, I look forward to the day when members from Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho are here for the third reading and passage of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EAs a student studying law up at Auckland University, for a number of years I drove from Mangonui through the lands of the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho people without realising their history. I now realise that, and I now appreciate it. This bill is a significant milestone in that it\u2019s acknowledging not only the people of Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho but the people who have served in getting this to the stage that it is at. My acknowledgments go to my colleague the former Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, the Hon Christopher Finlayson, and now to you, Minister Andrew Little, to get this over the line, and also to my colleagues in the House here today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI draw on the passages of the bill in relation to the history. I\u2019ve referenced not knowing that history, and I will speak to that should I have the privilege of doing so at the third reading. Clause 8 outlines that and the mamae, the wrongfulness of what has happened to the people, particularly the fact that it was not only the land confiscations or the injustice of the land transactions but also being deemed as rebels and being branded as that, despite the fact that there was the acknowledgment of the people, in terms of their own sovereignty and the survival of that, to acknowledge the Crown and the colonisers. The detail of that in the bill is at clause 8. The other significant aspect in terms of redress settlement is by way of the cultural redress and also the financial redress, and that too is outlined in the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EMy call this afternoon is brief. I look forward to being able to speak more substantively at the next opportunity. In conclusion, I commend this bill wholeheartedly, and we do that collectively as colleagues in this House. That is a privilege that I have shared, and that is something that I do welcome when I stand to address the House\u2014that there is no dispute whatsoever, and we are acting as collective representatives and agents in support. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u00226ebc09693f6d44dd9a058f12deab8b48\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226ebc09693f6d44dd9a058f12deab8b48\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. Ka noho tonu ahau ki roto i te reo M\u0101ori m\u014D te roanga ake o taku k\u014Drero. Tupu mauriora ki te whei ao ki te ao m\u0101rama tih\u0113 w\u0101 mauriora. Heoi an\u014D ka mea atu ki a koutou, e oho e Te Whare! Ko t\u0113nei te p\u0101nuitanga tuarua o t\u0113nei Pire a Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho. N\u0101 runga i t\u0113r\u0101 whakaaro ka tukuna atu ng\u0101 mihi me te inoi atu ki Te Kaihanga kia toro mai tana ringa manaaki, tana ringa atawhai ki runga i a K\u012Bngi T\u016Bheitia, K\u012Bngi T\u016Bheitia P\u014Dtatau Te Wherowhero Te Tuawhitu e noho mai n\u0101 ki runga i te ahurewa tapu o \u014Dna m\u0101tua, o \u014Dna t\u016Bpuna. Ka tukuna atu ng\u0101 mihi ki runga i a Waikato wh\u0101nui ar\u0101 ko Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho t\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 peka o te awa rangatira o Waikato. N\u014D reira e mihi atu ana au ki a r\u0101tou. E tautoko atu ana au i ng\u0101 mihi ki te hunga mate, r\u0101tou kua ngaro atu ki te k\u0101punipunitanga o ng\u0101 wairua ki tua o R\u0113ao ki tua o R\u0113p\u014D, ka tau ki runga i te pae o mahara. Haere e ng\u0101 mate, haere. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKa tautoko tonu ahau i ng\u0101 mihi i tukuna atu ki te Minita, ki te H\u014Dnore a Andrew Little i kawea nei t\u0113nei pire ki mua i te aroaro o Te Whare i te r\u0101 nei. Ka tautoko an\u014D hoki i ng\u0101 mihi i tukuna atu ki te Minita o mua ar\u0101 ko te Hon Christopher Finlayson m\u014D \u0101na mahi hei whakatutuki i t\u0113nei kaupapa, atu ki a koe e te Matua e Tutehounuku Korako i arahi nei i te nohoanga a te R\u014Dp\u016B Whiriwhiri i ng\u0101 Take M\u0101ori me ng\u0101 kaituku k\u014Drero ki runga i taua pire, t\u0113nei te mihi; ki runga an\u014D hoki i te heamana hou o te R\u014Dp\u016B Whiriwhiri i ng\u0101 Take M\u0101ori ar\u0101 ko Rino Tirikatene.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKua k\u014Drero mai, i te kaupapa, ko tokorua noa iho ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata, ng\u0101 r\u014Dp\u016B i whakakanohi mai i w\u0101 r\u0101tou k\u014Drero ki t\u0113nei pire. Ar\u0101 ko te Kaunihera Nui o T\u0101maki Makaurau, ar\u0101 ko Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho. Ahakoa k\u012Bhai r\u0101ua tahi i tae-\u0101-kanohi mai, i tukuna mai w\u0101 r\u0101tou tautoko, me w\u0101 r\u0101tou k\u014Drero ki runga i te pire nei. Engari ka k\u012B atu ahau ki a t\u0101tou te Whare, ahakoa torutoru noa iho ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata i whakakanohi mai w\u0101 r\u0101tou kupu me w\u0101 r\u0101tou take e p\u0101 ana ki te pire nei, te maha hoki o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero k\u012Bhai m\u0101tou otir\u0101 t\u0101tou i kite. Te h\u014Dhonutanga o te mamae i p\u0101 ki a Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho ki roto i ng\u0101 tau, k\u012Bhai m\u0101tou i kite. N\u014D reira e tika ana me mihi atu ahau ki a r\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKua k\u014Drero mai ng\u0101 Mema katoa o t\u0113nei Whare m\u014D te \u0101huatanga o te whakam\u0101 ka p\u0101 ki runga i a Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho n\u0101 runga i te arero rua me te mahi pokok\u014Dhua a te Karauna ki a r\u0101tou. Ko te k\u012B atu a te Karauna ki a r\u0101tou tuhia mai t\u0113tahi kawenata me t\u014D tautoko i te K\u0101wanatanga. Ahakoa t\u0113r\u0101, i t\u016Bkinohia e te K\u0101wanatanga i a Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho. N\u014D reira ka kite atu ahau i te pire\u2014\u0101e, ka whakap\u0101ha te K\u0101wanatanga ar\u0101 te Karauna ki a Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho ka tika. Engari ko t\u0101ku e hiahia nei ko te whakam\u014Dhio atu ki te Whare i te r\u0101 nei i t\u0113tahi kupu M\u0101ori ar\u0101 ko te \u201Chauhau\u201D. An\u0101 ko te kupu \u201Chauhau\u201D ar\u0101 ko te \u201Crebellion\u201D. Ka k\u014Drero mai t\u0113nei kupu n\u0101 runga i te \u0101huatanga o te whakaaro M\u0101ori. \u0100e, ka whakap\u0101ha te Karauna ki roto i te Pire m\u014D t\u0113nei \u0101huatanga, engari ko te tirohanga a te iwi M\u0101ori ki te hunga \u201Chauhau\u201D, me te hunga \u201Ck\u016Bpapa\u201D, he \u014Drite. Ka p\u0101 te whakam\u0101 ki runga i a Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho m\u014D te hia tau. N\u014D reira, he wero t\u0113n\u0101 ki a Ng\u0101i M\u0101ori kia tiro atu ki taua \u0101huatanga kia kaua e p\u0101 an\u014D te whakam\u0101 ki a Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho me te tini o ng\u0101 hap\u016B kua p\u0101 t\u0113nei t\u016B \u0101huatanga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAtu i t\u0113n\u0101, ka kite atu ahau ki roto i te pire nei, i \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 panonitanga, i \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 mahi t\u012Bnihia ki roto i te pire. Ko t\u0113tahi e p\u0101 ana ki te w\u0101hi \u0101taahua ko te w\u0101hi rongonui ar\u0101 ko Ng\u0101 Wairere o Hunua, ar\u0101 ko te Hunua Falls. I k\u012B mai te Kaunihera ka panonihia i t\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga o te ture e p\u0101 ana ki te Reserves Act 1977. Ka taea e ng\u0101 hap\u016B e wh\u0101 ki te k\u014Dkiri tahi i ng\u0101 kaupapa e p\u0101 ana ki Ng\u0101 Wairere o Hunua, me te mea nei kia tiaki i te w\u0101hi \u0101taahua i te w\u0101hi t\u016Bpuna a Ng\u0101 Wairere o Hunua. N\u014D reira e mihi atu ana ahau ki t\u0113r\u0101 mahi ki roto i te pire nei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAr\u0101, ka k\u014Drero e Te Whare i te \u0101huatanga m\u014D te tini o ng\u0101 hap\u016B me te tini o ng\u0101 iwi ka whaip\u0101nga ki roto o T\u0101maki-makau-rau puta noa. Kaua ki ng\u0101 rohe anake a Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho engari mai i te raki o T\u0101maki-makau-rau ar\u0101 ko Mahurangi, heke iho mai ki te Moana T\u012Bkapa an\u0101 ka tau ki runga i te k\u0101inga e m\u014Dhiotia nei ko Pokeno i \u0113nei rangi. He kaupapa nui t\u0113n\u0101 n\u0101 runga i te m\u014Dhio kei roto i te pire nei ka wahaina mai ko ng\u0101 iwi me ng\u0101 hap\u016B ka whaip\u0101nga ki ng\u0101 whenua, me ng\u0101 kaupapa kua arahia ake nei ki roto i te k\u014Drero a Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho ki roto i ng\u0101 tau. Ar\u0101 ko t\u0113tahi ko Te Akitai Waiohua an\u0101 ko t\u0113tahi atu ko Ng\u0101ti Te Ata, ko Ng\u0101i Tai, ko Ng\u0101ti Koheriki, ar\u0101 ko Ng\u0101ti Whanaunga\u2014he tini. N\u014D reira kua roa rawa ahau e mea atu ana kia t\u016Bpato e Ng\u0101i M\u0101ori. Mehemea ka whakataiapangia te ture i a koe ka p\u0113hea koe ar\u0101 koutou ko t\u014D uri ki roto i ng\u0101 tau me ng\u0101 mahi kei mua i te aroaro? N\u014D reira he t\u016Bpatotanga kei roto i t\u0113r\u0101 t\u016B \u0101huatanga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKo t\u0113tahi atu \u0101huatanga kei roto i te pire nei, ko te \u0101huatanga ki ng\u0101 kohuke, ar\u0101 ko te minerals. Ko ng\u0101 kohuke. Tukuna atu t\u0113r\u0101 kupu ki roto i \u0101 koutou papa kupu. Add that to your vocabulary. He pai te kite atu i te \u0101huatanga o ng\u0101 kohuke ki roto i ng\u0101 pire p\u0113nei n\u0101. N\u0101 runga i te m\u014Dhio, t\u0113n\u0101 pea he rawa kei roto kia kaua e rirona atu ki te Karauna anake. Engari mehemea kei a Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho te mana whakahaere, te mana kaitiaki, ki runga i w\u0101 r\u0101tou ake whenua, me whakarite nei ki roto i te ture t\u0113tahi w\u0101hanga ka taea e Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho te whakahaere i w\u0101 r\u0101tou ake mahi e p\u0101 ana ki ng\u0101 mahi kohuke. N\u014D reira e mihi atu ana ahau ki t\u0113r\u0101 t\u016B \u0101huatanga ki roto i te pire. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKo t\u0113tahi atu he mea pai te kite atu kia panonihia i ng\u0101 ingoa kua roa rawa ki runga i ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga me ng\u0101 k\u0101inga M\u0101ori. Ko t\u0113tahi, ko Clarks Creek. Ko taua w\u0101hi r\u0101, \u0101e e k\u012Bia nei te motu wh\u0101nui i t\u0113nei w\u0101 ko Clarks Creek engari he engari he ingoa M\u0101ori t\u014Dna. N\u014D reira ko te hiahia m\u014D ng\u0101 w\u0101hi whenua, me ng\u0101 w\u0101hi tapu o te ao M\u0101ori \u0101e, me panonihia te ingoa P\u0101keh\u0101 ka whakamanahia te ingoa M\u0101ori ki runga i aua w\u0101hi, n\u014D reira he pai te kite atu kei roto i ng\u0101 whakaritenga o t\u0113nei pire \u0113tahi atu o ng\u0101 w\u0101hi ki roto o Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, o T\u0101maki-makau-rau kia panonihia. Ko t\u0113tahi atu: kua mea nei te whare wh\u0101nui i t\u0113tahi w\u0101hi ki roto i taku rohe p\u014Dti a Remuera. Ko t\u014Dna ingoa tika, ko Remu Wera, kaua ko Remuera, engari ko Remu Wera\u2014e rua ng\u0101 kupu. T\u0113n\u0101 pea me \u0101ta whakaarohia t\u0101tou katoa ki roto i te whakahaerenga o t\u0113nei pire otir\u0101 ng\u0101 pire e p\u0101 ana ki a T\u0101maki Makaurau kia whakatikatika i te ingoa o Remu Wera, ar\u0101 ko t\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 w\u0101hi rongonui o T\u0101maki Makaurau. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKo te \u0101hua nei ka nui t\u0113nei m\u0101ku. N\u0101 runga i te m\u014Dhio \u0101 taihoa ake nei ka whakat\u016Bngia te p\u0101nuitanga tuatoru o t\u0113nei pire, me te manako ka tae mai a Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho ki te whakakanohi i te Karauna me \u0101 m\u0101tou whakap\u0101ha me ng\u0101 t\u016B \u0101huatanga kua whakaritea nei e m\u0101tou ki roto i t\u0113nei pire mai i t\u0113nei w\u0101 atu ki ng\u0101 tau kei mua i te aroaro, e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare e Te Whare puta noa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E[Greetings, Madam Speaker. I will stay in M\u0101ori for my entire speech. Behold the sneeze of life which propels us in to the world of light and enlightenment. I say to you all, wake up House! We are at the second reading of the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho bill. With that in mind, let us give praise and call upon the Creator to extend the hand of blessings and kindness upon King T\u016Bheitia, King P\u014Dtatau Te Wherowhero the Seventh, who sits in that sacred place once occupied by his elders and his forebears. Let us further extend our greetings to Waikato at large, and more specifically to Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho, one of the tributaries of the great Waikato River. Therefore, I acknowledge them. I join in the paying of respects to the dead, those who have gathered at the meeting place of the spirits beyond this world of day and night to rest in the realm of fond memory. Farewell, farewell\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI endorse the compliments that have been paid to the Minister, the Hon Andrew Little, who has brought this bill before the House today. I also endorse the compliments which have been paid to the former Minister, the Hon Christopher Finlayson whose efforts have brought this matter this far, and to you sir, Tutehounuku Korako, who previously led the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee sittings and receipt of submissions on this bill; I also acknowledge Rino Tirikatene, the new chairman of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EIt has been mentioned that only two bodies have made submissions on this bill. They are the Auckland Council and Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho. They have not appeared in person but their support and records of their positions on this bill have been received. I say to us all in this House that although we have heard a few submissions outlining people\u2019s thoughts and views on this bill, I suggest there is much that remains unseen. There is the deep, abiding hurt that Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho have suffered over the years, which we cannot claim to have witnessed. It is only right therefore that I should especially acknowledge them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAll of the Members of this House who have spoken refer to the shame that befell Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho because of the duplicity of a treacherous Crown towards them. It was the Crown who required them to sign an agreement declaring allegiance to the Government. Despite that, Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho were cruelly mistreated by the Government. And so, I look at the bill\u2014yes, it is only proper that the Government, that is the Crown, should apologise to Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho. However, I wish to teach the House a M\u0101ori word today, and that word is \u201Chauhau\u201D. The word \u201Chauhau\u201D denotes rebellion. Let us look at this word through a M\u0101ori lens. It is all well and good for the Crown to include an apology as part of the settlement, but taking a M\u0101ori perspective, the word \u201Chauhau\u201D is synonymous with \u201Ck\u016Bpapa\u201D (traitor). Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho have borne that shame for many years. It is therefore incumbent on M\u0101ori to take note of this, so that this shame never again attaches to Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho nor to the several other tribes to whom this kind of thing has happened.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAlso, I see in this bill that other changes are afoot, changes that are facilitated by this bill. One concerns that beautiful place, that famous landmark known as Hunua Falls. The council has declared that changes will be made in accordance with the Reserves Act 1977. The four affected tribes can together advance matters relevant to Hunua Falls, including the care and protection of the beautiful and historically important Hunua Falls. I am therefore pleased to make special mention of this part of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI now turn my attention to the many subtribes, and indeed tribes within and around Auckland who have a stake in this matter not just those within Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho boundaries but also Mahurangi, heading north of Auckland, coming around to the Hauraki Gulf, and reaching the area that is now known as Pokeno. Clearly, there are far-reaching consequences. I am mindful that this bill has ramifications for the tribes and subtribes who are landowners and for whom submissions by Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho over the years give rise to issues of interest to them. One such example is Te Akitai Waiohua, others include Ng\u0101ti Te Ata, Ng\u0101i Tai, Ng\u0101ti Koheriki, Ng\u0101ti Whanaunga\u2014there are several. It is for this reason that I have long said for M\u0101ori to beware. If you are fenced in by the law, what will you and your descendants do in future? Therefore, heed this note of caution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E Another matter for consideration in this bill concerns minerals. Kohuke. Add that to your vocabulary. It is good to see that mention of minerals makes it into bills like these. We know that if there are riches within the land, they shouldn\u2019t be the exclusive prerogative of the Crown. If Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho is to have control and guardianship over their own land, the law ought to include provisions that Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho also retains control over any minerals therein. I am therefore pleased to highlight this part of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EIt is also pleasing that there will be name changes that have for too long ignored M\u0101ori settlement. One is Clarks Creek. While this locality is widely known as Clarks Creek, it does have a M\u0101ori name. There is an expressed wish for places and sites sacred to M\u0101ori to have the P\u0101keh\u0101 names changed in favour of the original M\u0101ori ones. It is therefore encouraging to see provisions in this bill for changes to place names within the Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho and wider Auckland area. One other thing: a suburb in my electorate is well known as Remuera. Its correct name is Remu Wera, not Remuera, but Remu Wera\u2014two words. It is perhaps timely in the passage of this or any bill that affects T\u0101maki Makaurau, for us all to consider correcting the name of one of the T\u0101maki Makaurau electorate\u2019s most well-known localities to Remu Wera.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI believe that for now I have said enough. Knowing that this bill will reach its third reading in due course, and in the earnest wish that Ng\u0101ti Tamaoho will attend in person to receive the Crown\u2019s apology and to accept the provisions that are made in this bill for current and future benefits, Madam Speaker and the House, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora t\u0101tou.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022748d6c6463fe4dd8acb4c6c5c18befb8\u0022\u003EOffices of Parliament\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b4cba36c89c145a48b3caac6f44955df\u0022\u003EAddress to Governor-General\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022c05d0455a74d4f9f953e68a1ff5b4118\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c05d0455a74d4f9f953e68a1ff5b4118\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I move, that a respectful Address be presented to Her Excellency the Governor-General commending to Her Excellency the alterations to the appropriations and capital for the 2017/18 financial year in respect of Vote Audit and Vote Ombudsman, and the estimates of expenses and capital injection for the 2018/19 financial year in respect of Vote Audit, Vote Ombudsmen, Vote Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00227f5eb1978e9649aabf36a82179c46fd4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227f5eb1978e9649aabf36a82179c46fd4\u0022\u003EBARBARA KURIGER (National\u2014Taranaki - King Country):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. It\u2019s a pleasure to stand and support the notice of motion that\u2019s just been put forward. It was a privilege to be part of the Officers of Parliament Committee, who had the opportunity to sit and listen to the presentations made by all three respective parties. They do a good job in their interaction with New Zealand, and it\u2019s a pleasure to commend this. I recommend it to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022 data-id=\u00226e10e31a48f5422f988e93b1de437025\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226e10e31a48f5422f988e93b1de437025\u0022\u003EGARETH HUGHES (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. I just want to take a very quick call, because it hasn\u2019t been often in many parliaments that we have seen increases to all these three entities through this process. It\u2019s quite a unique process\u2014different from the traditional Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EI want to single out in particular the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment\u2019s increase. The two areas where we\u2019re seeing the increase is for staff, which is important to make sure that office is well funded, but also what we\u2019re seeing is an increase in research support for economics in M\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori. Often there\u2019s quite a distinction between the environment and the economy; they\u2019re seen as different things. But a new approach to dealing with the environment is to consider the fact that our economy is, in fact, a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment. So we need to make sure we live within those natural boundaries, but also that within the economic space we provide for all New Zealanders so that we can have a thriving, richer society. So we\u2019re very pleased to see these developments within the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment\u2019s office. We support the appropriation and the motion entirely. Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to, and Address agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224d6dcaa78a514c17b439b57edc0da7c1\u0022\u003EFamilies Commission Act Repeal Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00222c29af6fc1c34bec8dd7930f2879c165\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u002231d1a22599c54648a6372ae4630a09b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002231d1a22599c54648a6372ae4630a09b9\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Associate Minister for Social Development)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for Social Development: I move, That the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill be now read a second time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThis bill is a straightforward piece of legislation. It takes the next steps to update and improve the effectiveness and efficiencies of social science research and advocacy for the interests of families and wh\u0101nau, and recognises that investing in families is an integral part of how this Government chooses to operate. The bill consists of two parts. The first repeals the Families Commission Act 2003, thereby disestablishing the Families Commission. The second provides for residual management processes to effectively manage the consequences of the disestablishment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI would like to start by thanking the Social Services and Community Committee for considering this bill over recent weeks. They have treated it as a priority and produced a timely and thorough examination of it. I am particularly pleased that the committee examined the bill in the context of other changes that have been or are being made, such as the creation of the Social Investment Agency and the general expectation that research and evaluation resources are available and subsequently used. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThe committee\u2019s report notes that a number of submissions were received on the bill but that these focused on the original policy decision and consequences of disestablishment, rather than on the actual legislation itself. Based on this analysis, the committee came to the unanimous conclusion that the bill requires no further changes. However, I would like to take this opportunity to look at the issues raised in the submissions and at how the Government proposes to address them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThe first issue is about the need to have an agency with the statutory role of advocating for families and wh\u0101nau. I recognise that a case could have been made to have an agency with this role back in 2004, when the Families Commission was established. However, the social sector today is significantly different. We have a better understanding of the diversity of New Zealand families and of the drivers of families and wh\u0101nau well-being. A lot of this can be attributed to the commission\u2019s work on the scope and definition of what it means to be a family or a wh\u0101nau unit. More importantly, this Government has a clear focus on improving the well-being of all New Zealanders. An example of this is the Child Poverty Reduction Bill, where many agencies are working together to address the very urgent issue of child poverty in this country. Another example is that Treasury has been developing the Living Standards Framework to incorporate well-being outcomes and support policy development across all activities of Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EA number of agencies and non-governmental organisations (NGOs) are able to continue the important task of advocating for families and wh\u0101nau. This Government has a collective and united focus on improving people\u2019s well-being, success, and ability to reach their full potential. Going forward, I am positive that good mechanisms exist to ensure that attention is given to the needs and interests of families and wh\u0101nau, wherever they may be. In particular, the Ministry of Social Development will produce and publish the Family and Wh\u0101nau Status Report in June of this year, which will provide a means by which we can monitor the progress made. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThe second issue raised by submitters concerned the ability to maintain the level of coordination and collaboration necessary for effective research and evaluation. I\u2019m confident that these connections will endure once the commission is disestablished, and the Social Investment Agency, established as a stand alone departmental agency in July 2017, will contribute a significant dose of capability in this area. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThe need for effective research and evaluation of programmes has become a common part of core processes, with agencies placing importance on using research and evaluation evidence when making important investment decisions. There are heightened expectations on agencies to work with each other on investing for social well-being, and the State Services Commission is working on assisting agencies to work better together into the future. I note that the Families Commission, in conjunction with the Aotearoa New Zealand Evaluation Association, has played a key role in establishing practice guidelines and tools that encourage more effective use of research. These tools and practice guidelines support decision-making processes across Government, especially those involving Budget initiatives. Ministers continue to value this type of information, and I expect that these tools and guidelines will continue to apply, even once the commission is disestablished. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThe third issue raised by submitters concerned the ongoing availability of the considerable amount of useful, valuable, and meaningful information produced and collated by the Families Commission during its existence. The Ministry of Social Development is working closely with the social policy evaluation and research unit (SuPERU) over key aspects of the disestablishment process. As you would expect, they are taking great care to preserve this storehouse of knowledge and ensure stakeholders are kept up to date. This includes maintaining the SuPERU website and the tools to support NGOs and continuing the Growing Up in New Zealand research fund. The Social Investment Agency is now responsible for maintaining access to the Hub, a one-stop shop for New Zealand Government social science research, which currently features more than 6,400 research publications. I\u2019ve also been advised that the Ministry of Social Development will ensure all archive requirements are met, and you will be pleased to know that SuPERU is approaching the Parliamentary Library to ensure that members of this House have continued access to these resources. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThe arrangements already made and planned for the transfer of the commission\u2019s functions are comprehensive. In November last year and April this year, some functions were transferred to the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Social Development, and, of course, the Social Investment Agency. The shared goal between all parties is to achieve an orderly and seamless transition for stakeholders and the remaining Families Commission staff. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI would like to once again thank Mr Len Cook, the outgoing SuPERU board chair, and other members of the SuPERU board and remaining staff for their professional, diligent, and conscientious approach to this process. I am confident that the changes provided for in this bill, along with the other changes being implemented by the Government, are the right next steps to improve the effectiveness and efficiencies of social science research and advocacy for the interests of families and wh\u0101nau of Aotearoa New Zealand. I commend this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u00221650f7d1e6b647db9e27f84a2d3c1abe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221650f7d1e6b647db9e27f84a2d3c1abe\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (National\u2014Taup\u014D):\u003C/span\u003E I am thrilled to open this debate on behalf of the National caucus in supporting the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill, and it\u2019s particularly encouraging because, of course, this was work initiated by the National Government as part of its work, really, to not only invest in families but support families and enable greater use of the research and data and evidence to support them in the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003ESo this particular piece of legislation, as the Minister said, is quite straightforward and it wraps up the changes to disestablish the Families Commission, which was restructured into the social policy evaluation and research unit, or SuPERU, in 2014. It is somewhat curious, though, that the Minister who spoke on the bill talked about the fact that the Social Services and Community Committee progressed it with urgency, for which he was grateful. Of course, there was no choice in the matter; the Government decided this should be rammed through with a shortened report back, which was rather concerning and has become a bit of a common practice by the Government, but anyway.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003ESo this piece of legislation shows that and moves some of the important work that was being done by the Families Commission and SuPERU. Some of the work has gone to the Ministry of Justice, some to the Ministry of Social Development, and some to the Social Investment Agency. And I must say, it was with great delight that this side of the House saw that the Ardern-Peters Government had decided to continue with the vital work of the Social Investment Agency. It was only established in the middle of last year. But it really signals quite a significant way forward in terms of how we deal with some of the most complex challenges that New Zealand faces and that, actually, Kiwi families are facing. It\u2019s about greater use of data and evidence and a focus on measuring outcomes, meaning that we can create a system that provides greater opportunities to intervene earlier, and I\u2019m sure this bill will be supported unanimously across the House because who wouldn\u2019t want to do that? Who wouldn\u2019t want to intervene earlier and change the lives of some of our most vulnerable New Zealanders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003ESo it is really exciting, and as the previous Minister, the Hon Amy Adams, said when she announced the formation of the Social Investment Agency, it\u2019s not just about Government departments and the way they interact with people and how they support them but it\u2019s also enabling the non-Government organisations, and I think that\u2019s a really important piece that I want to throw into this debate: the Social Investment Agency supports New Zealand; it doesn\u2019t just support Government agencies. And one thing that taxpayers do expect and demand is that there are always greater levels of support and greater ways to enable the public sector to better serve those that it should serve, and, in fact, the most vulnerable ones.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EI thought I would just also bring some comments from one of the submitters, and it\u2019s actually the Public Service Association, who in their submission talk about the bridge between Government agencies, NGOs, and communities\u2014and so seeing a really important ongoing role for Social Investment Agency in that area. So I thought I would just bring their voice to this debate, because they see and value the importance of the Social Investment Agency.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EThe Minister who gave the second reading speech also talked about the child poverty bill, and in our time in office there was a significant focus on lifting children out of hardship, out of poverty, and we had plans to go further. The incoming Government has a slightly different way to approach it; that\u2019s fine. At the end of the day, New Zealanders want to know that as a Parliament we are focusing on this important issue, and the Prime Minister has clearly stated that she wants the child poverty legislation to be supported across the Parliament. So it\u2019s really good to be able to work with the Prime Minister on that bill. I know that there will be strong support for the Supplementary Order Paper that includes the social investment principles, and the fact that the Social Investment Agency, through this legislation, is being given more responsibility, I think just reinforces why that\u2019s so important. It is about targeting support for those that need it most. This is an important and sensible measure. Madam Assistant Speaker, I\u2019m pleased to support it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u002286dac53adc9b4d429155c96ad4fb51e5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286dac53adc9b4d429155c96ad4fb51e5\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister for Children):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Madam Assistant Speaker, thank you very much. I rise on behalf of New Zealand First to speak to the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill. Can I acknowledge Louise Upston, the speaker who just resumed her seat. Yes, that speaker referred to the fact that this was a piece of work that was left behind, undone, by the previous administration. She\u2019s quite right. This is another piece that the current Government is just having to tie up\u2014another loose end left behind after nine years that we\u2019re just having to make sure we pass through and tie up tidily. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EI\u2019m interested that that previous speaker was somewhat disappointed and surprised and expressed concern about a shortened report back from the select committee on this bill, considering it was the previous Government that had actually stripped everything away and had just left a shell of what was the social policy evaluation and research unit (SuPERU) and that this piece of legislation was inevitable due to the actions taken by the previous administration. So it doesn\u2019t seem to sort of resonate, the fact that there was some concern that the Opposition would like to take a very long time in select committee for something that they had organised so that there was no turning back anyway.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EI also note the contribution from the previous speaker\u2014and the Minister who introduced the bill back at its second reading\u2014around the Social Investment Agency. I acknowledge the member\u2019s\u2014how would you put it?\u2014compliment, I suppose, to the current administration: that they have retained the Social Investment Agency. And yes, that is quite right. I would argue\u2014and I have argued, and I am arguing\u2014that the previous administration created such a sense of distrust among our families and so on around the term \u201Csocial investment\u201D that there is something to be said for changing the name of the agency. That is not official Government policy; that is me speaking\u2014just because I know that some people freak out when Ministers articulate a particular perspective\u2014but it would have to be said that the previous administration used the Social Investment Agency to create an equation of risk to the State by those of our New Zealand citizens that needed support. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s the type of support that the Families Commission Act and the research that\u2019s been done\u2014that\u2019s the type of evidence that we have been given over the last so many years, since it was originally passed, back in 2003\u2014that has enabled Governments to actually try and make sure that they focus on the well-being of their families and children within them. But the previous administration chose to use that evidence and that data and the research provided to use a deficit thinking model\u2014to try and actually use this information and research provided to find out what sort of risk would that person, that New Zealander, be to the State and say, therefore, \u201CWe will pounce on them, stigmatise them, and then try and make them do things to better themselves.\u201D I think that would describe how it was done. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003ESo what this Government is going to do through the Social Investment Agency and through other pieces of legislation like the child poverty piece of legislation\u2014and the Prime Minister and I are currently working on the child well-being strategy\u2014is to use that information in a positive way to establish what well-being looks like. It is not what risk looks like to the country, but what well-being looks like. Then, through the child well-being strategy\u2014knowing that children don\u2019t live alone; children live in families\u2014if we improve the environment and make sure that there is a standard of well-being that we will all strive for for our children, then, naturally, that will lift the families. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003ESo that\u2019s the way that the research and the evidence that has previously been provided by the organisation SuPERU and the organisations that some of those pieces have been shifted to, like the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Social Development\u2014that\u2019s how they will work together with other Government departments to actually support the legacy of what was the Families Commission Act 2003, which, as I mentioned previously, was introduced by Peter Dunne. I do want to take every opportunity to acknowledge Peter Dunne. Mr Dunne spent many years in this House. He was often a strong contributor, and this was one of the pieces of legislation that, in 2003, he managed to achieved through the support agreement with the Labour Government. It was quite controversial at the time, so he did actually have to take quite a lot of flak around the creation of this particular ministry or department.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003ESo, from that perspective, I think it is, in one way, a shame but, in another way, it\u2019s a testament to how we have moved forward, by shifting these responsibilities\u2014the research responsibilities and other responsibilities\u2014that were previously embedded inside this organisation further out through Government departments. As the Minister said in the contribution to deliver the second reading, as long as the collaboration and coordination is still there\u2014and it is our view that under the child well-being strategy, it will be even stronger, because there will be a requirement for that collaboration and coordination of all Government departments to support children and, therefore, their families going forward. We believe that this was a good thing at the time, but it is a moment that has gone, and, now, we can actually spread out that responsibility. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003ESo, with that said, I will just close by saying that New Zealand First supports the legislation. Kia ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u0022e562d135471048c5a0cdbfaf69052043\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e562d135471048c5a0cdbfaf69052043\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Madam Assistant Speaker, thank you. I look forward to standing and speaking on the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill in its second reading. It\u2019s a pity that Minister Tracey Martin\u2019s remarks were somewhat condescending rather than contributing to, I suppose, the intent of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIf we know its history, the history goes back to 2003, as has been spoken about. It was a political commitment of two parties coming together, United Future and the Labour Party, to ensure that there was more focus and direction on supporting families. It was quite clear, and when one looks back at the Hansards of the speeches that were given, it often reflected the fact that when we looked right across the whole of not only Government but society, there was always one common denominator, and that was the family. Whether it be with health, education, employment, or law and order, there was one issue there. And, at that time, there was a lack of evidence, of data, and therefore a lack of giving direction and focus to policy, legislation, and also to practice that would support the better lives of families. So one would have to say, I imagine, that most of us, if we were in the House, would have been very supportive of the direction of setting up the Families Commission.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EOver that period of time, and in 2003 when the Act was put in place and in 2004 when the Families Commission then was formed, it was formed in an advocacy role. Part of that role was for them to establish research. So I do have to commend\u2014over the history of that period of time where it developed its history\u2014this research component to it. As that progressed\u2014and it changed, obviously, as administrations changed from a Labour Government to a National-led Government\u2014it took on some of those roles, but it began to ask the question that with the data that it was receiving, \u201CHow can we better use the analytics around actually forming better policy and better practice in regards to that development?\u201D, hence the development of the social investment approach.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe social investment\u2014again, it was asking very simple questions to all Government departments and of the Government itself. In other words, it held a mirror to itself and asked the question that if we could look at every dollar that we invested in Government and also in its outreach arms of its services in its ministries, could we actually, hand on heart, say that we were truly making a difference to families? Part of that approach was saying that we needed to first hold ourselves to account. So the whole social investment approach was wanting to make sure, with the data we had, that we were investing early and we were investing in the areas that we felt that were critically important, as well as holding ourselves to account.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EAs that transitioned on, so did the aspect of the information that was gathered in that period of time from 2010 to 2014 and 2015, hence the development of the social policy evaluation and research unit (SuPERU), which, in particular, was to focus the research around families as well. So then, in that development, I want to acknowledge some of the work over that period of time that\u2019s taken place. And if we think about the Families and Wh\u0101nau Status Report, that\u2019s critically important because what that does is, again, it gives data in the development of understanding the well-being, and\u2014as the previous speaker, the Minister Tracy Martin, was talking about\u2014now they\u2019re developing some of that. I have to say that\u2019s come off some of the work and the research that\u2019s come out of the Families Commission and then formed into SuPERU as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EWe also, too, have the Family Violence Clearinghouse contract. I know that Greg O\u2019Connor will know about this because it impacted where the police were as well. Again, I want to acknowledge the work that came out of SuPERU, which informed that. That still continues on. We\u2019re also pleased that, as part of the transition and the repeal of this Act and the disestablishment of the Families Commission, those pieces of work will still be held. The Family Violence Clearinghouse will now still be the responsibility of the Ministry of Justice. So that\u2019s informing, again, the direction not only of practice but of policy as well. We think that\u2019s important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe roles and the residual responsibilities around the Families and Wh\u0101nau Status Report will now go to the Minister for Social Development. We\u2019re pleased to see that because part of our discussion in the Social Services and Community Committee was to ensure that the appropriations of funding that would then be established would also continue on through the Minister for Social Development. The Minister, in her remarks, talked about the fact of tying up loose ends. I have to say that\u2019s incorrect, because we progressed in a way to ensure that we were still taking the intent of the Families Commission, of the Act, to ensure that we had both adequate evidence and data, but we were utilising that data in the best way to ensure that we were investing in the appropriate services that were supporting families. If one looks at the Social Investment Agency (SIA) that was set up by the National-led Government, it clearly talks about the fact in its statement: \u201CInvesting in what works for better lives\u201D. And that\u2019s the whole intent of it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo, when we see the repeal of this Act, we have to say the fact that while it\u2019s being repealed by the current Government of the day and it\u2019s disestablishing the different components, it\u2019s doing so because it realises the framework that was set up around social investment is a framework that will work. So when this Government is looking at the Child Poverty Reduction Bill, when it\u2019s looking at the child well-being strategy, all of those elements will work if it applies the key principles of practice under social investment. So we\u2019re very pleased by that. We were pleased by the fact that they\u2019re adopting that, and it is the direction of work. It was a Cabinet paper in July 2017 which actually was progressing this, and, again, that\u2019s something that we think is really important. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIn closing my remarks, there\u2019s a statement that says that everyone has their day in the sun. I think the fact is we can confidently say that we are taking on the work and the intent of the Families Commission that was set up in 2003, the work that it has progressed over the last 12 to 14 years, and that now, as it then sort of embeds itself and establishes itself in the different components of the mechanics of the Government and its different roles and responsibilities, we feel that that work is good work. We think that is work that will improve and better lives. We\u2019re proud to support it because, I have to say, when one thinks about what are the good things that we have done over this period of time of nine years as a National-led Government, social investment has been a critical part of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo we support this bill it its direction. We think it\u2019s an important part of what needs to continue on, and if we are serious, as the Minister for Child Poverty Reduction says, to lift the politics out of poverty in those discussions, then we think it\u2019s important that social investment is a critical part. The last thing that I would say that is important is that Better Public Services targets are critically important, because it\u2019s not about holding people to account in regards to the people of our community; it\u2019s holding Government departments to account. If we don\u2019t have that along with social investment, we\u2019ll find that part of those mechanics will not achieve the results that we all desire, which is, again, to ensure that our families, our communities, have better lives. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022 data-id=\u00228de6e4dfb67140459fcd3d0000fd2ed5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228de6e4dfb67140459fcd3d0000fd2ed5\u0022\u003EPRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. I rise to take a call on the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill at its second reading. I thought what I would do in the course of my call today is obviously to outline a little bit the purpose of this bill\u2014what it intends to do\u2014and also talk a little bit about the submissions that the Social Services and Community Committee considered as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EIt was an honour to be part of the select committee, to be the deputy chair of the select committee that considered this bill. We worked very well together as a team to consider what the submitters said, which, as has been mentioned previously, was actually more about the policy intent of this as was started by the previous Government, rather than this piece of legislation per se. I also then want to go a little bit into the work of the Families Commission. It\u2019s always, I think, a little bit bitter-sweet when something has been disestablished, and it\u2019s quite good to look at some of the work that this commission has undertaken over the years and also to look at what happens to these pieces of work. I do also want to thank and acknowledge those who have been part of the Families Commission over the years, in my closing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EBut to go back to the purpose of the bill, it\u2019s actually quite straightforward, this one. It consists of two parts. The first is to repeal the Families Commission Act 2003 that established the Families Commission back in 2004. The second part of this bill is to look at how the process will be managed\u2014so, the process of disestablishing the commission and ensuring that specific functions of the commission continue to exist, although it will do so in different parts or different arms of the Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EThis is a piece of legislation that has been inherited by the current Government. It\u2019s been mentioned before that the process actually started some time back, and in fact a number of staff members of the Families Commission have actually moved on. The conversation has started about moving pieces of work out of the commission and into different arms or different public services as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003ESo there were six submissions that were received by the select committee, and they did centre around primarily three themes. One was around the continuation of the advocacy role of the Families Commission, and it was noted by submitters that this was quite a strong role that the Families Commission played over the years. Some submitters were concerned that this wouldn\u2019t be transferred anywhere, and that the advocacy function would be lost. However, there were other submitters who felt that actually the landscape has changed quite dramatically since 2004. The Families Commission undertook a good piece of work to ensure that the way that we look at the make up of families and wh\u0101nau has changed considerably, and that society has moved on with that as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EA little further on, I want to actually read a quote from one of the submitters that lays out that particular piece of work quite nicely. However, some of the other submitters felt that given this Government\u2019s increased focus on child and family well-being, there was actually a place for this advocacy function. So the submissions were quite mixed when it came to this particular point. But, overall, the overarching sense was that we\u2019ve moved on somewhat\u2014somewhat considerably, actually\u2014and that perhaps there wasn\u2019t that much of a need for one particular entity to take on the role of advocacy. It could be farmed out across a number of agencies, both in Government and in the NGO sector as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EThere was also some concern that there may be a loss of independent policy advice that this commission had provided to Government, and whether the Social Investment Agency would, in fact, be an adequate replacement. Some submitters thought that it would be, and others didn\u2019t. There was a fair bit of concern also outlined that there needs to be a continued strengthening of connections of coordination and collaboration, both within the Public Service but also between the Public Service and the NGO sector as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EJust very briefly, going back to the advocacy role, the Children\u2019s Commissioner\u2019s submission was interesting; the Office of the Children\u2019s Commissioner has come out basically and said that they could take on the advocacy function of families that have children. So that\u2019s a subset of the work that was being done, but it would need a little bit more support for that to happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EThe ongoing availability of information\u2014so, submitters highlighted the fact that the research that\u2019s been undertaken over the years by the Families Commission has been incredibly useful, very valuable, and meaningful. Actually, over the years when I was a social policy researcher myself and a social worker in the NGO sector, I\u2019m someone who has found their research reports incredibly useful. So I really identified with that. The Ministry of Social Development did reassure the select committee, however, that that would continue, that the availability of the information would continue, and that there\u2019s been a fair bit of work that the ministry has undertaken to ensure the maintenance of that information and the continuation of that as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003ESo there were a few pieces of work specifically that I wanted to highlight, and one of them is the Families and Wh\u0101nau Status Report, which is an annual report that measures how New Zealand families and wh\u0101nau are faring across a fairly wide range of indicators. It\u2019s a broad piece of work that the commission has undertaken in the past, and this will continue as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EI was also heartened to learn that the Growing Up in New Zealand longitudinal study will continue and will be transferred as well. It provides evidence about basically what shapes children\u2019s early development, so that every child in New Zealand can have the best start in life. This study started in 2008. It\u2019s broadly reflective, I was pleased to find, of New Zealand\u2019s changing demographic when it comes to ethnicity as well. So that piece of work will be transferred to the Ministry of Social Development. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EThe final\u2014not so much a piece of work\u2014function of the Families Commission that I\u2019ve had a lot to do with is the New Zealand Family Violence Clearinghouse, which is, again, New Zealand\u2019s clearinghouse for information regarding family violence, and research reports as well. I was very pleased to note that this function will be transferred to the Ministry of Justice, so the sector can rest assured that the information that\u2019s held by the clearinghouse and the function that\u2019s played by the clearinghouse will continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003ESo I just wanted to quickly read out a small paragraph that was part of the New Zealand Nurses Organisation\u2019s submission. This is really an acknowledgment of the work that the Families Commission has done to change the way that we view the make up of a family\u2014or what a family is, really. So, anyway, they said, and I quote, \u201CWe warmly acknowledge that the Commission championed recognition of the difference between p\u0101keh\u0101 and M\u0101ori concepts of family and wh\u0101nau, and an overarching inclusion of diversity. This is evidenced in their research reports including Wh\u0101nau yesterday today and tomorrow \u2026 and M\u0101tiro whakamua: looking over the horizon \u2026 Both reports draw on M\u0101ori knowledge, cultural practices and methods to research and analyse the stories and drivers of wh\u0101nau success, and explore the role of M\u0101ori women as advocates of wh\u0101nau development and the important role of te Reo. The commission has contributed to the p\u0101taka of knowledge and enhanced our understanding, acceptance, and celebration of the diversity in development of family and wh\u0101nau in Aotearoa.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EI think that\u2019s well worth acknowledging, as many submitters did\u2014the fact that the way we view, or how we consider, as a society, what a family looks like has changed over the years since 2004, and that the Families Commission has played an incredibly strong role in contributing to that change. I believe that it\u2019s fitting, at the second reading, to acknowledge the work that has gone, and also to acknowledge the chief executives (CEs)\u2014the successive CEs\u2014and the staff who have worked tirelessly with the Families Commission, which has been known as the social policy evaluation and research unit, or SuPERU, as well, and to thank them for their dedication to their roles. It\u2019s indeed a pleasure to commend this bill to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022 data-id=\u002266b64254c82b4b83b13436967b7ebd99\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002266b64254c82b4b83b13436967b7ebd99\u0022\u003EJO HAYES (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker, and I\u2019m pleased to stand and support the second reading of the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill. This is another outstanding piece of work, that was started by the former National-led Government, and it wraps up a number of changes to the disestablishment of the Families Commission, as we\u2019ve heard, that was restructured in 2014 to the social policy evaluation and research unit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard a number of contributions today about what the meaning of this piece of legislation will be, and I\u2019m really pleased that all of the work that\u2019s been done to date will continue through its reconfiguration of agencies and resources designed to support the Social Investment Agency and social investment. Social investment, as one of my colleagues said today in her contribution, is about changing lives\u2014changing the lives of everybody.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThe previous speaker, Priyanca Radhakrishnan, touched on the areas around M\u0101ori wh\u0101nau concepts within one of the research areas of what this particular bill will end up doing. I\u2019m really pleased that that is happening, because M\u0101ori wh\u0101nau concepts\u2014being M\u0101ori, coming from a wh\u0101nau\u2014are so different to the concepts, as an example, from whence my husband came, who is French and Irish. We have so many things to contribute under the repeal of this bill, as M\u0101ori wh\u0101nau, that many people can learn around whanaungatanga and what that means. But in stating that, you know, just like every other wh\u0101nau or family, we have our ups and downs. But I\u2019m amazed and very happy that M\u0101ori wh\u0101nau concepts are one of the key areas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI do want to thank the current Government for taking on and carrying on with this piece of work. I think that it\u2019s great when we can all view this through one lens, and it is about, as I said before, changing the lives of all families. It\u2019s good that we all acknowledge that, and can come together every now and then to agree on such important pieces of legislation like this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003ESome of the commission\u2019s functions have already been transferred through non-legislative measures, and that\u2019s good. This is the final part of the changes, and so when we start to look at it, we can see that these changes will actually aim towards ensuring that Government agencies are accountable for the well-being and the changes\u2014the good changes\u2014in the lives of wh\u0101nau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThere is not really a lot more that I can add in this second reading, just that I\u2019m really pleased that we\u2019ve moved this far down in this piece of legislation, and I do look forward to its Royal assent not too far down the line. So without any further ado, I commend this bill to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u00226cdd44bceeaf4681b3ca520451725ac7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226cdd44bceeaf4681b3ca520451725ac7\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. I rise on behalf of the Green Party to take a call on the second reading of the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill. The purpose, as has been stated by previous speakers, is to repeal the Families Commission Act 2003 and disestablish the Families Commission and tie up all the loose ends associated with doing that. It\u2019s a pretty tight bill; the purpose is pretty obvious and pretty clear.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EIt has been to select committee and there were three core issues that were raised in that process\u2014one of people having a concern that they wanted to see the retention of a statutory agency that advocated for families. The view of the committee and of this House, indeed, was that, actually, we have other mechanisms to be able to achieve the goal of ensuring that our families and their needs are integrated into policy, and the most obvious that we have coming forward is the child well-being strategy, as well as the cross-Government work in terms of bringing together good research for the well-being of our communities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThe second concern that was raised was the need to maintain coordination and collaboration for effective evaluation and research. The Social Investment Agency has progressively been taking on that role as there has also been more thinking across Government about the need for joining up our response for wicked problems, in particular, that can\u2019t be dealt with effectively in the silos of Government. So I would like to assure those submitters that that concept of joining up our thinking and ensuring and supporting collaboration is very much a part of this new Government\u2019s agenda. The previous idea of social investment was seen to do that through a very narrow lens of data.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EWe have a broader vision for doing that. And it has been interesting to me to hear some of the dancing on pins around the idea of social investment and broadening the concept of wh\u0101nau and the understanding of that, because, from everything we saw, that did not go together particularly well in the previous concept of social investment that seemed to be quite deeply individualised and re-stigmatising. So it\u2019s great to see us moving forward really holding the principles of coordination, collaboration, and community as well as family.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EOther people were concerned about the need to ensure ongoing availability of the information, because there has been some great research done. I\u2019m happy to give assurances, as others have, to this House that that information will be readily available and that the Hub, which is New Zealand\u2019s one-stop shop for social science research, will be moving from the social policy evaluation; and the research unit to the Social Investment Agency; and that Growing Up in New Zealand will be supported through the Ministry of Social Development (MSD); and that the annual Families and Wh\u0101nau Status Report and the supporting research around that will be brought in to the Ministry of Social Development, as well; and, very dear to my heart, the New Zealand Family Violence Clearinghouse, who do brilliant research very much in our communities all around the country with great relationships, will be supported by the Ministry of Justice. We look forward to seeing their work into the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThe Green Party\u2014I do think in this speech I should acknowledge that we didn\u2019t support the establishment of the Families Commission in the first place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7700a2f438d4fc6b845d7e60ee33417\u0022\u003EHon Ruth Dyson\u003C/span\u003E: I recall. I remember it well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e3acbc17e074b9183a9e65e37872941\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah\u2014ha! Then, Sue Bradford was our spokesperson at the time, and she was quite clear, in the House, that the Green Party saw the establishment of the commission as a duplication of work that was already happening within existing agencies\u2014MSD in particular\u2014and that it was a waste of $28 million over four years that was really solving a problem that did not exist and was more about politicking than it was about the well-being of our families. And, in noting that, there had been no public outcry for the establishment of a research agency to support families, yet there had been quite a lot of public outcry in relation to poverty in our communities, which it would have been nice, at the time, to see that money going into. I\u2019ve had similar concerns over that time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ENone of those comments are to say that I didn\u2019t respect and value the research that came out of the Families Commission\u2014because I really did. They did some fantastic work. I don\u2019t think the case was ever made that that work couldn\u2019t have been done within other agencies. So now it is great to see the House in agreement on returning that work across our agencies and with the coordination role through different mechanisms. It\u2019s very clear to me that our Government\u2019s focus is on actually delivering the outcomes: on action rather than more talk. On that note, I will sit down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022 data-id=\u00222a031364b363415d8bb497582c7ff34c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222a031364b363415d8bb497582c7ff34c\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL (National\u2014Rodney):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. I am very happy to stand and take a call on the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill. I haven\u2019t been on the Social Services and Community Committee, so I haven\u2019t had much to do with this bill, but I\u2019m very happy to stand today and take a call in support of it, fundamentally because I\u2019m a huge believer in, and supporter of, the social investment model. The good thing that I see in terms of this bill is, of course, we\u2019re supporting it, but it seems to have largely had the confidence of the public as well. There were only eight submissions that were actually received. It looks like the committee went through those and discussed those in depth, and they were able to address the concerns that were raised by the submitters through that committee process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EI just wanted to refer to some comments that were made by the Hon Amy Adams, who, of course, was driving this work in the previous Government. \u201CThe new agency will replace the Social Investment Unit currently operating as part of MSD and will provide robust all-of-Government social investment advice about which people we should be investing further in, and in what ways.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EI just want to hark back to an example. It was a light-bulb moment for me personally, and that was over 20 years ago when I was a police dog handler in Gisborne. This is something that is etched into and burnt into my mind\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a2ffea9bf844d84a52727b1ff359ec2\u0022\u003EHon Ruth Dyson\u003C/span\u003E: You wouldn\u2019t have been old enough 20 years ago.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217b8eced36824034be593e31f5c346ca\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, thank you, Ruth. I appreciate it. She\u2019s saying I don\u2019t look old enough. So I\u2019ll take that one. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EBut anyway, for all the different things\u2014and Greg would definitely identify with me here\u2014with the amount of people you have contact with, and the number of incidents that you might attend that you forget over the years, this one has stuck with me. The reason why it has is because for me personally it was a genuine light-bulb moment. It was a young guy that was about 17 years old and he had started breaking into cars, he\u2019d started his criminal career, and, one night, he\u2019d broken into a car and he\u2019d run off. I was called as a dog handler. We tracked him, we caught him, and we took him back to the station, and we started to process him. As part of that process in the watch-house there\u2019s a charge sheet that they have to fill out, and in that charge sheet there\u2019s a block there that\u2019s got \u201COccupation\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EI clearly remember him. He hadn\u2019t filled out the occupation block, and I said to him, \u201CYou need to put something in there; have you left school?\u201D \u201CYes, I have.\u201D I said, \u201CWhat are you doing? What\u2019s your occupation?\u201D And he wrote in there \u201CUnemployed\u201D. I said, \u201CUnemployed is not an occupation.\u201D He said, \u201CYes, it is; that\u2019s what my dad does.\u201D In that moment the light bulb came on for me, and I realised that he\u2019d been born into an environment where his example in life, his aspiration, was to go on to the unemployment benefit, to go on to a Government benefit, because his father, who he looked up to\u2014that\u2019s what his example was. The sad thing about it is that his first contact in terms of actually getting Government support or State help was coming into the criminal justice system. That was his first contact, and already he was in trouble. So already we had a big job ahead of us\u2014well, the Government had a big job ahead of them\u2014in terms of the investment that was needed to try and turn his life around as a 17-year-old.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EWhereas under the social investment model, wouldn\u2019t it be better to go back in time and to actually invest in him and invest in his situation\u2014which is very complex, normally\u2014look what support his father needed or his mother needed in terms of trying to provide a different environment so that he was on a different pathway. I didn\u2019t really understand, at that point in my career, what was needed or the complexity around policies or Government decisions to make that happen, until I understood what the social investment model was, and that\u2019s exactly what it is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EThe other thing that I just want to allude to very quickly is the fact that there\u2019s a heavy focus on the use of data, and I\u2019m a huge believer in that also\u2014that good policy decisions need to be helped along with good science and good data. So I\u2019m very happy to stand and take a call in support of this bill. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022 data-id=\u0022843447ba5ec341e7a04ca6a8b1f103f2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022843447ba5ec341e7a04ca6a8b1f103f2\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON (Labour\u2014Port Hills):\u003C/span\u003E Can I begin by commending the member Mark Mitchell, who\u2019s just resumed his seat, not only for his contribution on this bill but for his temperate contribution to the Oaths and Declarations (Members of Parliament) Amendment Bill last night. The tone of the debate could\u2019ve done with a lot more of his style of contribution, rather than his colleagues\u2019.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EI\u2019m pleased to be speaking to the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill. It is a cross-party agreement, which is pretty unusual, but I\u2019ve always said that it\u2019s a good way to leave on a Thursday afternoon\u2014that we can go out of this House having had a debate on which we\u2019ve all agreed. The bill\u2019s pretty small. It only has two parts. The first bit is to repeal the Families Commission Act and the second part is to provide for the residual management\u2014the transition process, I guess. Quite a lot of that work has already begun. A lot of the work that the Families Commission, now called the social policy evaluation and research unit, has been doing over the last little while is now being transferred to the Ministry of Social Development.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EI want to commend the contribution of Jan Logie, who always manages to speak appropriately in second reading debates. What the process is meant to be is that the whole House hears what happens at select committee and really learns a little more about what the select committee did and why it came to any conclusion. In this case, the select committee decided unanimously that no changes were needed to the bill. That\u2019s pretty unusual. They only had a few submissions\u2014eight, I think\u2014to the bill. I wasn\u2019t sitting on the select committee but I\u2019ve read the report. So that\u2019s quite a small number of submissions. It would indicate to me that the majority of the public have come to the conclusion that the time is right for the Families Commission to be abolished, and I certainly agree with that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EBut some of the concerns that submitters have raised, I think, are worth recording in the history of the House during this debate, because I would like us to continue to reflect on those and ensure that as time progresses, their concerns, which were well heard and considered but not agreed with by the committee\u2014we just make sure that the committees views line-up with what the public was thinking during that submission process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EThe first one\u2014and I guess for me it\u2019s the most important one\u2014is that submitters were concerned that with the abolition of the Families Commission, the role of advocacy, of raising the concerns of children and their families, would be lost. The committee came to the conclusion that there were enough organisations around to meet that advocacy need, that we have enough groups in our communities speaking on behalf of children and their families. I want us, as a Parliament, to ensure that that continues to be the case. That would be threatened\u2014I\u2019ll give one example that Alfred Ngaro will be well familiar with\u2014if organisations felt that through their advocacy, raising concerns, they might lose their funding, as an example. We wouldn\u2019t ever want that threat to come to fruition. We wouldn\u2019t want organisations being silenced because of a threat from a former Minister, let alone a current Minister. So let\u2019s ensure that that advocacy role is maintained.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EThe second issue that submitters raised was the importance of robust evaluation and research. Every Government policy decision should be based on evidence. It should be independent, it should be robust, and it should persuade, actually, all the members across the House. That\u2019s not always the case, but frequently it is. If we all agree on the outcomes and the research is there, let\u2019s use that research as the basis for our decision-making. A number of submitters commented about the need for collaboration between Government departments and agencies. I know that the State Services Commission is leading a big bit of work in that space. They have not been successful yet, and I certainly hope they make better progress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EThe final point the submitters raised was the access to the ongoing availability of information. That is really important. We know that information is power, and all members of our society deserve to have access to the best information possible.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EIn the 45 seconds that I\u2019ve got, can I acknowledge and thank everybody who has been involved with the Families Commission through its various iterations and its various Ministers. I had the privilege to be one of those Ministers in the past.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EOne final point, though: across the road this evening at the Backbencher is a fine debating team of politicians, who I predict will beat the fine debating team of journalists. Mark Mitchell and I were originally approached to be on that debating team. Despite the fact that neither of us are available, it\u2019s going ahead, and I want to encourage people to go over there. The fund-raising\u2019s for a very good cause, and I hope that everyone has an enjoyable night. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022c0ce6255d60b4d1fb855917a256f65ef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c0ce6255d60b4d1fb855917a256f65ef\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I call Nicola Willis\u2014welcome to the Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u00229416e2bc4fac4d11bb519e2bf0b81f29\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229416e2bc4fac4d11bb519e2bf0b81f29\u0022\u003ENICOLA WILLIS (National):\u003C/span\u003E I rise in support of the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill. What an appropriate bill it is for me to speak to this first time after my maiden statement, because we in this House cannot delegate responsibility for families to a special Government agency, because it is our responsibility. It is our responsibility as parliamentarians, as representatives of New Zealanders, to ensure we put families at the heart of policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EWhen we look at what this bill is repealing, the original legislation should be a warning to us of what can happen if we are seen to get out of step with everyday families, everyday parents, and people working hard to get ahead in this country, if they feel like politicians aren\u2019t listening to them. This was a very popular idea, back when it was promoted by the Hon Peter Dunne, because people felt they weren\u2019t being listened to. And if we take a step into today and we all agree that it is now time to move on from it, what is it that we now need to do instead of having a Families Commission? What we need to do, members of this House, is we need to make sure that we don\u2019t allow our various Government agencies to continue to act in silos. We need to break down those silos. We need to see that the Ministry of Education works with the Ministry of Social Development, works with the Ministry of Justice, and, in doing that, that they make sense of the limited funding and resources we will always necessarily have, and focus them where they can make the biggest difference.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EWhat is the single biggest lever we have had in recent years for achieving that\u2014the biggest imagination, the biggest idea? Social investment. Social investment is the idea that says we can break down those silos, we can leverage data and evidence, and we can focus resources where they\u2019ll make the biggest difference. So it should be a great disappointment to this House that the incoming Government has said, \u201COh no. We don\u2019t like the sound of that approach. It sounds far too much like we\u2019ll be targeting taxpayer money where it might really make a difference!\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003ESo it is very important that in repealing this Act we keep a focus on ensuring that Government agencies do continue to work together. I am a Wellingtonian and I can tell you that public servants do great work, but they are incentivised to work within votes, within departments, and not always to work together. What the responsibility of the Government to do is to make sure that they do in fact put families at the heart of social policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EI\u2019m very pleased to stand and speak in support of this bill. I say again what I said in my maiden speech yesterday, which is that parents are the heroes of New Zealand\u2019s homes. We need to respect their efforts in this House. We need to adapt to the changing face of the modern family, and make sure our public institutions and services deliver for wh\u0101nau. Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022 data-id=\u00224ef74bdce760487bbf13c2870fb2808c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224ef74bdce760487bbf13c2870fb2808c\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Assistant Speaker. It\u2019s a pleasant surprise on a Thursday afternoon to be participating in the debate on the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill. It is a pleasure to join with members around the House in the debate on a bill of which we are of one mind.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EThis bill aims to improve the effectiveness and the efficiency of social science research and advocacy for families by repealing the Families Commission Act of 2003 and disestablishing what we once knew as the Families Commission\u2014something which I think we all kind of understood what it did\u2014which is currently known as the social policy evaluation and research unit, or SuPERU. I think most New Zealanders would have absolutely no idea what that meant except that it might be a four-by-four.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EThe commission is an autonomous Crown entity within the meanings of the Crown Entities Act 2004. In fact, some of the commission\u2019s functions have already been transferred to a variety of other departments and ministries, and so winding it up at this point seems like an appropriate thing to do. I am informed that there were very few submissions on this legislation, and that the Social Services and Community Committee, in fact, reported it back with the unanimous view that it did not need amendment. I\u2019m not sure that in the almost 10 years I\u2019ve been in the House I\u2019ve seen a bill come back from select committee with no amendments recommended. So congratulations to the officials who were involved in drafting the bill in the first place. They obviously got it right. However, submitters did have some views that are worth sharing with the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EThey generally expressed support for some continuation within Government of the commission\u2019s role of advocating for families, and they were concerned that by winding up the Families Commission, or SuPERU, that that advocacy function would disappear from Government. However, the select committee took the view that there are adequate ways to ensure that the needs and interests of families and wh\u0101nau are addressed across a number of agencies, NGOs, and, of course, within the Government, as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EThey also noted that since 2004, when the commission first came into being, there has been significant change in New Zealand\u2019s social sector, and acknowledged the commission\u2019s work in recognising the diversity of New Zealand families. In fact, even this Parliament\u2019s recognition of the diversity of New Zealand\u2019s families has changed significantly since 2004, and it is a wonderful thing that we acknowledge a much greater diversity of relationships and of families than we did even just those few 14 years ago.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EThere was a submitter who was concerned that the independent policy advice and evaluation that the commission provides would be lost when it was disestablished, and submitters had mixed views on whether the Social Investment Agency is the best place for this work to carry on. Submitters also commented on the need for collaboration between Government agencies and NGOs. I think there\u2019s a point that the member Nicola Willis, who made the previous contribution, made that it is important that we get the various bits of Government working together as much is possible. I think this is something that virtually every person who is elected to this House seeks to achieve\u2014a greater connection between the various arms of Government. I think that is something for which there is cross-party support\u2014that we need to continuously work to make sure that we are getting the very best out of our Government agencies and ensure that they work together on projects and strategies and don\u2019t get stuck in their individualised silos. There is absolutely an expectation that Government agencies do work together, and the State Services Commission obviously has an important role in supporting agencies to get that joined-up thinking and that joined-up action happening.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EMost submitters agreed that the commission produces useful, valuable, and meaningful information, and they stressed the importance of ensuring that that continues to be created, and, most importantly, that it is accessible. Of course, there\u2019s no need for that function to disappear. The Ministry of Social Development is responsible for managing the functions of the commission and will ensure that in the future the various arms of Government play their part in ensuring that information is not only created but available and accessible for people, as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003EAs I said\u2014surprising though it is\u2014it is a great pleasure to participate in a debate like this on a Thursday afternoon, where this House gets to demonstrate that, more often than not, we do agree. It\u2019s something that the media and the public often don\u2019t appreciate\u2014that there are many bills like this one that pass through the House where there is general agreement around the House. It is certainly true: the time has come for the Families Commission to end, but not for its work to end, and I am confident that the work of the Families Commission will continue under the very excellent Government that New Zealand is currently very lucky to have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022b2d476505d9747198eb0ae97bf46f902\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b2d476505d9747198eb0ae97bf46f902\u0022\u003EMAUREEN PUGH (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. I will take a short call on the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill today in its second reading. National clearly does support this bill, and the question is, \u201CWhy wouldn\u2019t we?\u201D The former Government actually initiated the social investment approach, and I\u2019m very proud to have been part of that regime that took that initiative. I think everyone of us knows the stories that these social investment approaches are hoping to turn around, and I take note of the contribution by my colleague the Hon Mark Mitchell and the story that he told. We all know stories similar to that one, where young people are caught in that ever-decreasing cycle of habitual and soul-destroying dependency on the State. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThis bill has been through the select committee process, and I\u2019m confident it was given due consideration, given it had a very shortened report-back time, but what it does is it actually just repeals the Families Commission Act of 2003, and that just has the effect of disestablishing the Families Commission.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe social investment approach is all about changing lives and breaking those cycles that we\u2019ve talked about. I do acknowledge the current Government for giving it such high priority and such a high position on the Order Paper. I believe that that is because they do understand the importance of breaking those cycles and taking a new approach; or, the alternative is that they simply sat on their hands for nine years and had no other legislation ready to go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe commission\u2019s functions have already started to be transferred, and we have seen that through the non-legislative measures that have enabled that process to take place. Some of them have gone to the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Social Development, and the Social Investment Agency. I think it\u2019s time for us to get on and get the job done, and I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022021c20d766cf4657a0b2b9c7fe7419d6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022021c20d766cf4657a0b2b9c7fe7419d6\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR (Labour\u2014\u014Ch\u0101riu):\u003C/span\u003E I was privileged to be a member of the Social Services Committee that considered this bill. It\u2019s often said that good things come in small packages. Having listened to some of the speakers today who haven\u2019t had the privilege of sitting through the passage of this bill through a select committee, I think they may not get an understanding of just how significant it was.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EAs I was preparing today, I looked at the notes I made when this bill made its first reading. I was\u2014I have to confess\u2014one of those people Mr Lees-Galloway referred to who, when I first picked it up, thought that SuPERU was a four-wheel drive car. As I\u2019ve been sitting reading the notes and reflecting on the select committee now, I just realise what a journey I\u2019ve been on with this bill. Through the select committee I really did come to understand the whole Families Commission and what the whole purpose of that commission was\u2014probably accentuated yesterday, when we had Mr Len Cook presented to the select committee again on another matter. For those that haven\u2019t had the privilege of listening to Mr Cook and hearing him, the enthusiasm and the sheer intellectual grunt of the man, and his knowledge of the sector, is second to none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EMr Mitchell spoke of light-bulb moments, and I think when you come into this House there are several of those. But, certainly, that was the light-bulb moment where everything came together for me: understanding\u2014for those that are watching\u2014just what it is that we are actually repealing here today. What was established\u2014and I go back to what their research signalled, and the idea of it was that, yes, Government departments do operate in silos. Getting the data that, firstly, they generate and use, and making sure the quality of that data not only is useful to that department; it\u2019s useful for the whole of Government, and, more importantly, that it fits into the strategy which I think we all agree we want to achieve, which is the elimination of poverty.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ESo when we look at the quality of that data, there was an interesting comment made, again, around that, from one of the submitters we spoke to who works closely with Government departments: we can\u2019t always rely on the quality of the data that comes out for the simple reason that if we are not careful\u2014and my colleague who is on the select committee, the Hon Alfred Ngaro, made a wonderful presentation until his last 30 seconds when he talked about the need to break everything down into its component bits to make sure that we have those set, tight targets for Government departments. Well, that\u2019s where we differ, because I think the problem\u2014and the new member Nicola Willis has worked in Wellington. She\u2019ll know public servants, and she\u2019ll know exactly what happens with public servants: you get what you want.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ESo if the Minister, if the Government, demands a certain result, a certain specified target from a department, that\u2019s exactly what they\u2019ll get. The data won\u2019t be manipulated; the data will be gathered with a view to giving the Minister, giving the Government, exactly what they want. That is the problem with Better Public Services (BPS). The BPS that is fed into this is so often seen as the paragon of virtue; it\u2019s so often seen as the saviour of all. Well, unfortunately, BPS\u2014instead of Better Public Services, it meant cheaper public services, because what was left out was actually most important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EI saw it time and time again with Government departments I was involved with. Again, Ms Willis will have seen the same thing. She\u2019ll have certainly heard it from public servants she\u2019s spoken to at various social events, who are worried that the hard work, the very hard work, that our public servants do\u2014and again, I was absolutely disgusted when I heard the previous Prime Minister talking about how public servants would sit with their feet back on their desk because all of a sudden these very tight targets were taken off them. Well, actually, that was an absolute insult to some very, very hard-working people. I hope, Ms Willis, like myself, that you were outraged, because many of the people you know in this town will be those very hard-working public servants who will not go back and put their feet back up; who are absolutely dedicated and who actually will be freed now to know that it\u2019s what we\u2019re trying to achieve that\u2019s most important. What gets measured gets done, and that\u2019s the problem. If we break it down to its component bits, that\u2019s what will get done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019ll come back to this bill and what this actually gives us the opportunity to do. It gives us now the opportunity to make sure that those Government departments that are going to pick up the slack, the Government departments that are going to be doing the work\u2014and we all agree that it needs to go back, families; that actually moving it out into another department is not necessarily a good idea. What it actually does is it becomes a bit of a cop-out for those Government departments, saying that actually \u201CIt doesn\u2019t matter if we\u2019re so busy doing what\u2019s demanded of us, what we\u2019re going to be grilled about by every Minister, what we\u2019re going to be grilled about every time we come to Parliament. We\u2019ll only be punished for what\u2019s not done and won\u2019t be really rewarded for what\u2019s done, and we won\u2019t be sitting around with our feet up, because now what it will mean is we actually all know what it is that we want to achieve.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ENow, I\u2019m not saying that that was wasn\u2019t laid out clearly and I\u2019m not saying that those who led the last Government didn\u2019t want it, but it\u2019s how we achieve it. You do not achieve it\u2014there\u2019s an old saying that you don\u2019t fatten a pig by weighing it, and that\u2019s what we\u2019ve attempted to do right through the public sector. So all I\u2019d say is that I\u2019m really pleased to be part of a Government that is now going to\u2014and this, again, I said that I had the light-bulb moment, as I sat through that select committee. I started to understand. Now, I\u2019ve, again, seen so many of these public servants come through here, and they come through, really, under some sort of trepidation that they\u2019re going to be beaten up for the things that they haven\u2019t done. Well, I\u2019ve got to finish\u2014this actually represents a whole change that I\u2019m really, really proud of. It\u2019s going to be actually rewarding them for the things they have done. Have some faith in these people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EAgain, Ms Willis, I go back\u2014you socialise with these people. You know how hard they work. You know what they want to achieve. Give them the opportunity to do it. Don\u2019t have them go to work saying, \u201CWell, I\u2019d like to end child poverty today, to be working towards that, but I haven\u2019t got time because what I\u2019m going to be working on is making sure this target is met. It doesn\u2019t matter that this target is something that was dreamt up that\u2019s actually not going to make an iota of difference, or certainly not a significant difference; I\u2019m going to be so busy doing that that I can\u2019t do that other stuff. It\u2019s all right. The social policy evaluation and research unit (SuPERU) are doing that.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EWell, now SuPERU are not going to be doing it. So what this Government is demanding, by actually setting it out there, the end\u2014know what it is. I\u2019m a great believer in that strategy means knowing what success looks like and working backwards. I think there\u2019s an unfortunate belief, and I saw it in the last Government, that if you do all the bits then everything will come right, but it doesn\u2019t. You know, leadership isn\u2019t about that. Leadership isn\u2019t about pushing down so deep that we actually count the pins\u2014that we end up counting the paperclips. That\u2019s basically what ended up happening.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ENow, I know this is ending up becoming a bit\u2014but listen, sit there, relaxed, please. Can I just say, don\u2019t think that because you\u2019re not demanding of public servants that they work 22 hours a day, two hours of which might be meaningful, the other 20 hours of which is actually ticking boxes\u2014don\u2019t think it\u2019s going to all fall apart and that some of the very good work you did will fall apart. It won\u2019t, because the transition of this now is to actually look at what success looks like, and what success is going to look like when we achieve it. Have a look at the bill. Have a look at the bill now, the Child Poverty Reduction Bill, which really, I\u2019d say, in some ways could be seen to be almost a replacement for this, because instead of having one department measuring all here, we\u2019re actually going to be measuring it each year. So when we actually do report back to the House and in various select committees we\u2019re going to be on, when Treasury is going to be reporting back on these things, that\u2019s actually going to be the replacement, because it\u2019s more important to actually measure what success is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ESo, look, relax guys. Relax over on the Opposition benches. I know and I can understand. If I was sitting there I\u2019d probably be feeling a little bit the same: a little bit worried that, look, we\u2019ve got these public servants scared, we\u2019ve got them so that when they come to select committee, if they get it wrong\u2014but, actually don\u2019t worry. Have faith in them. Have faith in the people that Nicola Willis will probably see tonight socially. Have faith that those who live in Wellington and see them socially, that go and stand on the sideline with our kids sport and see them and see how hard they work\u2014have faith that now we give them a job to do, that they know what success looks like, and that\u2019s what\u2019s going to be shared. Please, whatever happens, don\u2019t ever go down; don\u2019t let me see those scared, fearful, overworked public servants. They\u2019re actually doing a very good job, but they\u2019re doing the job that we\u2019ve asked them to do, not necessarily the right job. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ESo as I see it now, the Families Commission, I think it\u2019s done its job. Again, when I look at the work that it\u2019s done\u2014again, the number of submissions we had. Clearly, there was enough faith\u2014although there weren\u2019t many submitters, they all clearly had enough faith, but the fear probably came through. If you look through those submissions, one of the things that came through was \u201CThey\u2019ve done a good job, we\u2019re just a bit scared.\u201D, and that, again, we\u2019re a little bit scared that no one\u2019s going to pick up the job. I\u2019m confident. Everyone knows what success looks like. The work will get done. Thank you, Mr Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228e38473ecf4f4fd2b697aba6ae655b62\u0022\u003ECrown Minerals Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00228804a9ec76fd4bae98d83c5ee23260b2\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000466\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 1 May.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u00229204b9ab808940efbfccddc7edf722cb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229204b9ab808940efbfccddc7edf722cb\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Associate Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E I want to take a call on this bill and offer a few reflections, having heard the debate in the House last night and also reflecting on some of the commentary around the clarifications that have been outlined. The bill amends the Crown Minerals Act, and the purpose is to provide for the efficient allocation of rights to prospect for, explore for, and mine Crown-owned minerals, and the effective management and regulation of those rights. It also provides for the carrying out of activities in respect of those rights and a fair financial return to the Crown for its minerals.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThe bill provides several clarifications, and I thought it was useful to ensure that all of those are captured within the record of Hansard. They are indeed outlined in the explanatory note, but I will outline some that were not referred to in the debate that has happened to date. The bill seeks to clarify the public notice and submissions process around changes to be made to a minerals programme that are consequential on changes made by the bill. It clarifies the applicable royalty calculations for certain permits granted before February 2008. It allows the delegation of the Minister\u2019s powers in relation to licences granted under the Mining Act 1971. It clarifies which Ministers enter into access arrangements in respect of Crown land and land in the common marine and coastal area. It clarifies that an access arrangement is needed for access to schedule 4 land for minimum impact activities. It changes the permit classification for authorisations of geophysical surveys on adjacent land. It changes the process in relation to changes of control of permit participants that are permit operators. It clarifies processes in relation to changes of control of permit participants and makes them more workable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIt also clarifies time frames for notifying the revocation of permits. It clarifies that an extension of the duration of a permit cannot be denied as a result of a declaration under Section 28A of the Act, but an extension to the land area of a permit can be denied as a result of a declaration. Finally, it provides that the minerals programmes are not legislative instruments for the purposes of the Legislation Act 2012 and will continue to not be drafted by the Parliamentary Counsel Office. So you can see that the clarifications and the intent of the bill will be very useful. I\u2019m sure that the sector will see this bill as a small but useful improvement to the way in which the Act is intended to function.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003ENow, I listened to the contribution, actually, of my colleague Deborah Russell, and she made some very good points in terms of the importance of having clarity at law in the way that things are intended to operate, so that the functionality of what is happening can be better improved. Now, this whole area is not one that I\u2019m familiar with, but if I were to think about the issues from a legislative point of view, I don\u2019t think we focus enough on just the checks and balances, certainly at a select committee level, of making sure that as things are reflected and written in law they are able to be implemented in a way that is functional and practical. So while we would, with the best intents and purposes, hope that when laws are drafted they\u2019re drafted very well and at a perfect state, often we have to come back to moments like this, where we have to ensure that these clarifications improving the law can happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI didn\u2019t intend to take a long call, except to say that by and large the contributions that have been made in the House have been positive, and I certainly look forward to the progress of this bill through the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022 data-id=\u0022411c053c7f09432ca56bb0641338ff43\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022411c053c7f09432ca56bb0641338ff43\u0022\u003EMARK PATTERSON (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E It\u2019s a pleasure to rise on behalf of New Zealand First as we look to amend the Crown Minerals Act with this Crown Minerals Amendment Bill. This bill seeks to, I guess, change the framework around issuing permits to prospect, to explore, or to mine. Of course, New Zealand is a very mineral-rich country. We\u2019ve got gold, silver, uranium even covered in this, and phosphate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ba00f9e6b8348b4b4f13ce8eae4190e\u0022\u003ESimeon Brown\u003C/span\u003E: Oil and gas?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7f208883d194b1dbf1e82bd2706fc05\u0022\u003EMARK PATTERSON\u003C/span\u003E: Oil and gas are covered in this, and we will not let this particular contribution be sidetracked, like some of the previous ones were, by going down that rabbit hole. It also covers phosphate, and I note that there\u2019s a massive deposit of phosphate off the Chatham Rise that is in a state of play; companies trying to get at that. So there\u2019s a wide spectrum of things that this bill covers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EThe substantive part of this is, I guess, a stricter management regime. It gives the Minister powers to revoke a permit if a tier 1 holder\u2014the ownership of that company has changed to under 50 percent for that particular entity. It also means the Minister has to approve if a tier 1 company changes or sells that particular ownership stake to a smaller company, and I understand this is quite prevalent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll come to a real life example, actually, of this in play. I think this is a really important aspect because these tier 2 companies need to have that oversight, because we need to know that they are capable of remediating any issues that may occur, particularly environmental ones.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EI note Gareth Hughes\u2019 example of the Rena, and while this wouldn\u2019t be covered under this particular arrangement, it does show that when brown stuff hits the fan it hits the fan and you want somewhere to go. So the Minister has got the power to oversee this, to be the fence at the top of the cliff rather than running around being the ambulance at the bottom. He also has the power to delegate. Now, we had a little bit of a look at this. We weren\u2019t quite sure exactly where that delegation went. We went back to the 1971 legislation, which says that goes to the Secretary of Mines, which we would assume is maybe the chief executive of the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment, but maybe that\u2019s something that we will seek some clarity on through the committee stage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EIt also raises the penalties to a maximum of 800K. That seems a sensible provision again. Again, the example of the Rena was used where there was only a very small $150,000 maximum under that particular Act that covered that, which was totally inadequate, so $800,000 seems a more appropriate figure and it does show that there are some consequences also for not complying with the Act in terms of notification of the ministry. This has also, as has been noted, been widely consulted with the industry: Petroleum Exploration and Production Association New Zealand, the significant commercial players\u2014Greymouth Petroleum and the like.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EThere are also significant regulatory gaps and inconsistencies within the current regulations, and, particularly, it clarifies access arrangements between permit holders and landholders and also particularly on schedule 4 land, which we know is conservation and sensitive land. For example, Section 53(1) of the Crown Minerals Act\u2014let me just have a look at this\u2014outlines that for minimum impact activities no access arrangement is required. Then just below that, in section 53(3), it states that an access arrangement is required for minimum impact activity. So this clarifies what is clearly a very basic and fundamental error. This is a bill that probably is not going to make many headlines, but it\u2019s a bill that\u2019s not particularly significant until it is. If something goes wrong, it will become really important that the people that are responsible have the capacity to cater for whatever eventuality might come, particularly in the environmental space. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to give a recent example that I have actually been involved in myself. In Southland, we have the smelter at T\u012Bwai Point, and recently we have had to deal with the aftermath of the aluminium dross\u2014the by-product of smelting, which contains a variety of by-products, including some aluminium\u2014for which the smelter had subcontracted another company. This particular company was taking the aluminium out and was processing the balance into fertiliser for agriculture, which was something that was seen to be a positive development. It was a good use of a by-product. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EThe smaller company, which could be likened to a tier 2 player within this current legislation, promptly went broke, leaving the mess to be cleaned up. The product was stored all around Southland, including in a warehouse right by the Mataura River, which has regularly flooded\u2014three times in the lifetime of the local mayor. This was an environmental disaster waiting to happen. The water out of this stuff is incredibly toxic, and it would have taken the river out. With water, it was giving off ammonia and putting the local population in peril. So that just shows you how important it is that we can\u2019t just assume that because a contract\u2019s been written, a change of ownership of that company has the capacity to deal with the fallout. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EInterestingly, in that situation, it had also happened in 2006. The taxpayer at the time\u2014as we have been asked to do this time\u2014and the local council were asked to step in and take some of the financial hit, and, of course, the ratepayers were very unhappy about that, as were the taxpayers. But, certainly, the warehouse owners, who have also had to dip into their own pocket after having been out of pocket already, are less than impressed as well. So maybe there\u2019s some work we need to do in regulations that affect those situations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EIn the case of the smelter, I will say that they did front up, as they should have. This was an entity that had been given $30 million during the global financial crisis, and I very much hope, actually, that when that particular incident happened, David Bennett and Brett Hudson were crying \u201CSocialism!\u201D and crying from the rooftops about private companies being bailed out by the Government, because I\u2019ve heard a fair bit of that since I\u2019ve been here. But their Government was pretty keen to give Rio Tinto $30 million at the time. So the least that the smelter could do in that situation was to repay the faith of the New Zealand taxpayer and the New Zealand people, and when we have been there in their hour of need, they were a contributor when we came knocking. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003ESo that is, I think, just a real-life example of what can happen when we allow\u2014not the initial permit holder, who may have the capacity, but this piece of legislation will make sure that the Government, the Minister, or the delegated authority by the Minister is able to oversee and be the fence at the top of the cliff, rather than the ambulance at the bottom, when we\u2019ve got a catastrophe, particularly if it happens to be an environmental catastrophe. So that\u2019s, I think, a significantly important part of this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EWhilst it might not be such a high-profile bill, it is very, very important\u2014if it is ever needed\u2014that we know that the people that are in charge of these assets will have the capacity to deal with that. So New Zealand First looks forward to supporting this bill, seeing it go through to the select committee, and taking the advice of the contributors on it, and we commend this bill to the House. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EBill read a first time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EBill referred to the Economic Development, Science and Innovation Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002282a116d76a7e45da8fef75761935e2c7\u0022\u003ELocal Electoral Matters Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022684bf2dc9d274a4586555f1504af2962\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000490\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 11 April.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u0022c8f3fcd8596d42d4a80bafc1053ace01\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c8f3fcd8596d42d4a80bafc1053ace01\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E When the Minister of Local Government introduced this bill and told the Parliament that it was a bill that would improve the performance of local government in New Zealand, that it would improve the participation rate of local electors in elections, I was pretty excited. I would say, \u201CGood. They are things that I can subscribe to.\u201D What I could not believe was, when we look at the detail of this bill, it will achieve the most minute of changes that we would have to call small beer\u2014and that\u2019s being insulting to beer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d890a2766b74adabb08af90fd95f55e\u0022\u003EHon Andrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: Sounds like your RMA changes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022179dad49be7f414ba8e5c838f7a94255\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Let\u2019s just talk about\u2014Mr Little\u2014what\u2019s in this bill. The first thing it does is that it makes a very minor change to the way in which novel local government elections systems could be used. Here\u2019s all it does: the current law allows us to trial electronic voting systems. What this bill does is allow it to be trialled in just a ward rather than a whole district. Big deal! And then we come to the second provision in this bill. This bill is going to allow, in the Electoral Act, information to be shared for analytical purposes on the age, profile, and date of birth of electors. Is that it? Is this the Government\u2019s vision for improving local government in New Zealand? Give me a break. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EWhat this bill tells you is how lazy and ineffective members of the Government spent their nine years. The programme of this Government\u2019s six months in office should be brimming with substantial pieces of legislation. Let\u2019s think about all of the important issues that we should be tackling in local government. We know we\u2019ve got major infrastructure issues. We know there are key issues for communities up and down New Zealand. But any member of the Government, like the Minister, that truly believes this bill is going to do anything substantial in that local government sector is pulling the leg of this Parliament and of the public of New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EYou see, when we look at the last bill, the Crown Minerals Amendment Bill, which was highly administrative, and when we look at this bill, you almost get the impression that the Government is having to filibuster up the time in the House because they\u2019ve got no programme, they\u2019ve got no policies, and they\u2019ve got no vision for New Zealand, so we end up with pathetic administrative bills such as this as though that will provide some pretence that they have some sort of programme of reform for New Zealand. It is so disappointing. It shows such a vacuum of ideas from members on the Government benches. It shows just how hopeless they were in Opposition in having to develop policy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EWhen I look at this bill, I line it alongside the more than 80 reviews and inquiries that the Government has initiated since it formed the Government. The truth is\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022919a8e8d-afaf-4342-ad6f-71cbb6024544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022068a1b37365e4311943cf8096c514279\u0022\u003EClayton Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: I lost count of how many you guys did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228db9a7711db545788e843a57d541e147\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Members opposite have no damned idea. Look, there are more reviews than there are members of Parliament on the Government benches. If they really had their act together, this Parliament would be brimming with substantive bills that address the issues and challenges that a successful, fast-growing New Zealand that they inherited would be wanting to get on and do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003ESo I say to the members of this House that this bill is an embarrassment. Anybody who suggests, as the Minister of Local Government does, that making very technical changes about where you might be able to trial electronic voting, and which allows Statistics New Zealand to be able to share information about the age of voters and about their birthdates, is a bill\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002262296d7fa5094625904ab12439d2c8e7\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Read the child poverty bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002225b61b528b6646ccb906a19c3fa0fe68\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: The new member of Parliament for \u014Ch\u0101riu somehow thinks that this is the bill that\u2019s going to save the country and ensure his re-election in 2020. I say to that member, \u201CYou\u2019re kidding yourself, mate.\u201D This bill is an embarrassment. It\u2019s an embarrassment that the Minister introduced it, saying that it was going to make a substantive difference to the important $5 billion-a-year local government sector.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EHere\u2019s the real message for the Government. The provisions in this bill, that are so pathetic, should have been included in a far more substantive reform bill in local government. Let me just give a simple example. There\u2019s a huge challenge for the local government sector across New Zealand, particularly around strong growth, and actually if we look at both population and economic growth, every single district of New Zealand is experiencing growth right now. How do we match together the development levies, the contributions from rates, the contributions from the Government, for making sure that we\u2019ve got the roads, the houses, and all those things? If the bill had those sorts of issues addressed within it, I\u2019d be enthusiastically championing and recognising the vision of the Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EBut the truth is, this is a Government that is vacant on any substantive ideas to address the issues that matter, and so we end up with these pathetic bills\u2014these bills that will not make a dime\u2019s worth of difference to the lives of New Zealanders out there, because they\u2019ve failed. They\u2019ve failed to do the homework. They\u2019ve failed to provide the sort of vision that we need, to tackle the challenges that New Zealand faces right now. And so we end up wasting Parliament\u2019s time with bills that mean diddly-squat.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003ESo my challenge to the Government is to stop rolling out pathetic bills of this sort. Where there\u2019s some legislative tidying-up to be done, please put them in a statutes amendment bill, please put them in a substantive bill. But six months into Government\u2014if you take six months into the last Government, we had the contest, the argument between Ministers, as to who could get House time to get their reform bills in. It was one of the biggest arguments we had\u2014we had such a busy agenda. This bill is an embarrassment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022 data-id=\u00227a45501b6764420aacfa0b202b947d8d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227a45501b6764420aacfa0b202b947d8d\u0022\u003EVIRGINIA ANDERSEN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Well, it\u2019s a surprise, isn\u2019t it? I can\u2019t think what it would take to actually keep Nick Smith satisfied. I reckon if he won a cruise trip around the world and a Ferrari he\u2019d say, \u201CI get seasick, and fast cars are just plain dangerous.\u201D It wouldn\u2019t matter what Nick Smith was given, he wouldn\u2019t be happy with what he had.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EThere are two local government bills\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ef3436e08e94d10a9ba3bb528c45c56\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Members should refer to other members by their correct titles.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eed45ad46a3946eca0e3629b15ff128e\u0022\u003EVIRGINIA ANDERSEN\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Nick Smith, thank you. The real boost for local government comes with trialling the possibility of online voting, which is a real issue for engaging youth in local government and being represented. We have an incredibly low turnout, and we need local government to have the autonomy and the ability to explore the methods that work safely and securely with very valuable data. This is a bill that enables that process to happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EIn areas like Lower Hutt where I live, we see the lowest turnout of engagement from people who are young, who are M\u0101ori, and who are Pacific, on basic things like the annual plan, like things that want engagement from people on a daily basis. Having greater access to online services would enable that younger generation to engage with the daily practices that local government has and which directly affect their lives. This is why we need changes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve already seen a bill come through, along with this one, that\u2019s restored the four well-beings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 6 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180503dadbfb5ba01e4914a41604a253f1348c000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"