"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022378c75ff2a8e4478bd84f38c32b67886\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b85ab86748b445cc89e4f5d4a18301f4\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00227503cea8662742ba9058559019e401ff\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227cd0cfd316e54596af7d28df07f6b76d\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022739022284f6442599502f1b759c86531\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022739022284f6442599502f1b759c86531\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Next week, the Government will present its first Budget. On Tuesday, 15 May, the House will consider the third readings of the Brokering (Weapons and Related Items) Controls Bill and the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill, and the committee stage of the Social Security Legislation Rewrite Bill. Wednesday, 16 May is a members\u2019 day. Thursday, 17 May is Budget day. The Minister of Finance will deliver the Budget speech soon after 2\u00A0p.m. The start of the 15-hour Budget debate will follow. I expect the House to rise at 6\u00A0p.m. and the Budget debate will resume on Tuesday, 22 May.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022e47e1f4a6a7f4f95b8f6f46771650b03\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e47e1f4a6a7f4f95b8f6f46771650b03\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE (National\u2014Ilam):\u003C/span\u003E Just seeking some clarification. So we accept that the Budget is delivered next week. We\u2019ve read the publicity about the Budget, but there\u2019s nothing in the Budget that is all that urgent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u00222c12af81df3843d99338d14b44e7e978\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222c12af81df3843d99338d14b44e7e978\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E It was very clear from my statement that there would not be urgency after the Budget. I did go back and look at the precedent regarding this and noted that previous Governments over the last nine years typically did do urgency after the Budget, largely to hike up taxes and levies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00222fd3e49a74f140148a7b093161f36145\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002216d2328a3e6f45ceaf88ad51085c0f6a\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c76e4a8cccae4d0e95a9819899314ab0\u0022\u003EEconomic Programme\u2014Debt, Foreign Affairs Spending, Productivity, Taxes, and Trade\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u0022a4ad4bcdf16c46c3a059ba03acbf60ae\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a4ad4bcdf16c46c3a059ba03acbf60ae\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Why will he borrow more money and increase taxes and levies?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022f080324243bb4786a385be4b68c7b0fd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f080324243bb4786a385be4b68c7b0fd\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E The acting Leader of the Opposition is wrong. Using the measure preferred by the previous Government for debt, we will reduce net core Crown debt to 20 percent of GDP within five years of taking office. The taxes and levies he is, presumably, referring to include one that the Government he was a part of increased six times, by a total of 40 percent. However, for the benefit of the member, the Government will need to spend more in this Budget because we have inherited enormous challenges after nine years of under-investment and neglect. Let me spell it out for him: the Department of Conservation has had staff cuts and has not been sufficiently resourced to effectively protect at-risk species. In education, we have aged buildings and funding shortfalls to cater for school roll growth. Early childhood education centres have seen their funding decline year after year in real terms. In health, 90 percent of DHB assets are in poor condition, and our medical staff are stretched and stressed. And the biggest scandal of all: the number of children living in poverty has not declined, with children living in cars and garages, doing their homework by torchlight. In the middle of a housing crisis, that member\u2019s Government didn\u2019t even bother to have a housing Minister. In the justice sector, we have leaky courtrooms that need replacing. Eight years into the rebuilding of Christchurch, we\u2019re uncovering added rebuild costs as a result of that member\u2019s Government penny-pinching across the board. I could go on and on, but I welcome more patsy questions from the member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226fab14041597432b9c0d7a3609f00702\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Is he saying that New Zealand is currently falling apart? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228243dc2b820648e5a7d20619c6b8b5f1\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: New Zealand is a wonderful country, but it\u2019s one whose public services have been underfunded for nine years. That now stops. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287f32021b19240ae8e20623aeeb88299\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: How does he justify to Kiwis who face difficult spending decisions, week in, week out, that he needs to take more money out of their pockets and borrow more for future generations to pay when the economy is generating very large surpluses? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022048ab188f04a4f08bd00414bbd4f52de\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I utterly reject the premise of that question. What this Government did was reverse tax cuts that had not come into force, and redirect that money to a Families Package that, when it\u2019s fully rolled out, will improve the incomes of 384,000 families by an average of $75 per week. What I think New Zealanders think is that it\u2019s time, after nine years of neglect, to do something about rebuilding the social foundations of our country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c9c53ada883541d6995c1e76e973bb3b\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: If, as he says, there is such a need for spending, why did he think that this was the moment to massively increase spending on diplomats and foreign aid?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dee4b85ae9844b7c81432d70bb150865\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: What we have done in this Budget is rebuild the capacity of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade\u2014undermined by the Government he was part of\u2014so that we actually have people out there representing us and negotiating trade deals, and we\u2019re going to play our part in the Pacific region to make sure that the neighbourhood that we are part of is secure and develops well. I actually think New Zealanders will be quite pleased by that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022196d5d5921bd48708e88897d6b0c508a\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Minister, is the Government, in fact, borrowing\u2014as the questioner asked\u2014more money, when the previous Government set an all-comers\u2019 record of borrowing, taking Government debt from $10 billion to over $78 billion? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4f5b75779484fa8959582ba17d18d1b\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it\u2019s a very good question, because the previous Government did inherit very low levels of debt. That increased by tens of billions of dollars. Using the measure that the Government prefers\u2014that the previous Government prefers and this Government prefers\u2014in terms of net core Crown debt as a percentage of GDP, we will reduce that over five years. But it will take a little bit longer than the previous Government took, because we actually want to build some houses and improve some hospitals. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e1b4c37de6534879ac48500ce7a64b7d\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Good luck with that. Isn\u2019t it true that we\u2019ve heard a lot about spending more, about borrowing more, and about taxing more, but we haven\u2019t heard much about how New Zealand will earn more to pay for it all, and does he just take that for granted? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224716ac9496294347af071a928c9550de\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, absolutely not, and what we have heard about is the excellent idea promoted by my colleague Megan Woods for a research and development tax incentive, that will actually mean that we\u2019ll start to lift our innovation and see businesses improve and move up the value chain. The member is clearly anxious here, as he prepares himself for his future campaign in Epsom, to up his profile. What I can say is he\u2019ll hear all about it next Thursday. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e323f8c042724297b5018eee664a8cb1\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: How does he reconcile his statement in the pre-Budget speech today that \u201CTo transform our economy, we have to work smarter and get more out of every hour worked.\u201D with his rejection earlier in the speech of the previous Government\u2019s challenge to the public sector to deliver more for each dollar invested? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce896897cd2e47e894e8cdb273ce7c18\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: What I said in the earlier part of the speech is while it, superficially, might sound good to ask a Government department to do more with less, what actually ended up happening under that Government was that they did less with less. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220261e06ee03e4d98aac74ff4c57e272e\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: So productivity gains\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eab4caa6801f474199da60d739d4b8ef\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary question, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002254d54814acea49e6bbc33cd26346af36\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I gave the nod over here. I\u2019m sorry, I didn\u2019t hear the member in time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022baaa0bb75c764ca4a29e88a86582a462\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I can\u2019t imagine why. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f71d8da72ee465a9c74cddb2e3dca3a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, look the\u2014I heard that member first and I gave him the nod. I\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0d887bc51ce4f6ca2c791ed8b4712a5\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Well, he\u2019s a loud mouth, but anyway. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d9f92c6e21d4f2f801d4d2b74347ca9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I apologise to the right honourable gentleman. I will give him the next supplementary. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bee286e921ca43ed8da8663cefd44d5e\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: So productivity gains are only something for the private sector\u2014is that what he\u2019s saying? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d478f769c4714f5db9337c5fb24d06eb\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely not. What we\u2019re saying is that when public services are underfunded year on year on year, that means New Zealanders don\u2019t get the services that they need and deserve. That\u2019s what this Government\u2019s going to turn around. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222595593aa2c84a2a812de810528390ff\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Is it a fact that the Minister for Trade and Export Growth is going to get far more resources under this Government, because if the issue of earning more was important, how come it was that trade fell in the last nine years, under the previous Government? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002249e495f1d7534e4bae6e48c85dd248a1\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, that\u2019s right. There was a big game talked by the previous Government on trade, but the reality didn\u2019t match that. What our Minister of trade has been able to do already is conclude a Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership that will create more investment and more jobs in New Zealand\u2014far better than what happened under the last Government. We\u2019re also looking at trade deals with the EU and the rest of the world. What this Government recognises is we actually have to invest in the people who will help that happen, rather than undermine them, as the previous Government did. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3e642650e1240388248744d43628968\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I\u2019m trying desperately to follow your up and down finger signals, but at the moment I can\u2019t quite follow where you\u2019ve actually got us at. So we start each day with 38. I think you gave us one, and then you\u2019ve taken how many off?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002280e16d03a27b431db4b98202c14ae4aa\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: My advice is\u2014one of us stands up. My advice is that the member\u2019s team has gained two and lost three, and, therefore, is back to 37.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d13a4a136e24f0e942eed88a4b95312\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Perhaps for the next session of Parliament, during the two-week recess, it may be possible for Building Facilities to put some kind of digital signal up here, which would mean you\u2019d just have to click instead of fingering.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002256d881f378364be6be1b0fea945a5884\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I will consider the matter, and I\u2019ll further consider, as I was asked by Jami-Lee Ross, to name the people in the National Party who are involved in losing the questions\u2014[Interruption] Order! That\u2019s just got them back to par\u2014interjections from my right while I\u2019m on my feet. But I will say to the member, there is a certain amount of up and down. For example, on Tuesday, as a result of interventions and inappropriate behaviour on the part of the Government, the National Party gained eight supplementary questions. Unfortunately, because of the interventions of the deputy leader over a period of time, they lost six of them. So it is a matter of net.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022468be3018b4645a0adcf36a9dbb24a3f\u0022\u003EKiwiBuild\u2014Advice, Crown, Developers, and Funding\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u00226c4f582c17814a428dbe497080862a7d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226c4f582c17814a428dbe497080862a7d\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (National\u2014Papakura)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: Is the KiwiBuild: Buying off the Plans document correct where it says \u201Cthere is insufficient funding for the Crown to deliver all 100,000 KiwiBuild dwellings by itself\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u002275c18a1523eb46ffb8be509a1f181fa7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002275c18a1523eb46ffb8be509a1f181fa7\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA (Minister for Building and Construction)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: KiwiBuild is an ambitious plan to build 100,000 homes over 10 years, starting from 1 July 2018. We\u2019d always intended for KiwiBuild to be a partnership between the Crown and developers, the Crown and iwi, builders, and other participants. We expect the capital to be recycled across the programme and be sufficient for the Government to build 100,000 affordable homes over a period of 10 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228668ce7521b46118dec14bbaedabcda\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: What did he mean when he told the media yesterday \u201Cthe $2 billion will be spent many, many times over\u2014over\u2014the next decade\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a0eac7160b547f6abb77e520bce990d\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, what I meant when I made that quote was that as we build KiwiBuild homes, affordable homes, it will be recycled. You sell off homes and then you reinvest that money over and over again to build more affordable KiwiBuild homes, something that we are committed to doing, something that, over nine years, the member and her Government didn\u2019t do, which was to build affordable homes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e977b43a0eb3452e8746a4e591732f61\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: If that is correct, then why do his officials state that there is insufficient funding to deliver on his promise for the Government to build 100,000 KiwiBuild homes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002245041151ddd54e739bbda499bc9ecc6f\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, what that statement means is that the $2 billion on its own will have to be recycled over and over again, and we will be partnering with iwi, we will be partnering with private developers, to ensure that we build affordable homes. We are in a national housing crisis right now that was built over nine years of that Government. We are very committed to building houses and to housing New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c02936a6c4a145c49652e1c5245ed22c\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Which is correct: the KiwiBuild: Buying off the Plans document, which says there is not enough Crown funding for him to build the promise of KiwiBuild homes, or himself, who yesterday said to the media, \u201CI have no reason to think it won\u2019t be enough.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022658304c542d144bebc865d8ce6cec070\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: We are committed to building affordable homes. We will be building 100,000 affordable homes over 10 years. While that member watched housing become more and more unaffordable and did nothing, we\u2019re focused on making sure\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227eb3b5d54feb4245a00566550b660fa5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! I think we\u2019ve had that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022807bb2bc8ee842d9b94aeec46da6fa12\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Why did he tell media yesterday that the Government \u201Cwill build\u201D the KiwiBuild dwellings, but his own officials\u2019 document, released the day before, states that the Government will now only \u201Cfacilitate\u201D private investors to build the KiwiBuild houses?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d36a031afca44d9b89799ab7cecdeb4e\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, this Government is committed and will be building 100,000 affordable homes over 10 years. We will be partnering with developers to ensure that that happens. This Government will be partnering with iwi, and we will make sure that houses are built.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d34c177a788b4cc083ba2f79947a5c7e\u0022\u003EMarja Lubeck\u003C/span\u003E: How many homes were built in Auckland last year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227684853d444a428f8f5d5a4c46edd964\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no. Order! That might be an interesting question but it doesn\u2019t flow from either the primary question or any of the supplementaries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205938ed5cee842ce984588001eb3719e\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: When he said to the media yesterday that the Government is going to build 100,000 KiwiBuild homes, did he really mean that the Government is going to subsidise private investors to build the homes that the Government has promised but can\u2019t deliver? [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b24e62cfdcd24a099f4e06502fa14eb0\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: We will be partnering with developers to ensure that this happens. We always said\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ae0f8e81ed484287abdac6b58028d876\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will resume her seat. Mr Goldsmith, that may or may not be true, but it\u2019s not appropriate for you to address me in that way. You will stand, withdraw, and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c26b3a8460440d088249a9afc84e154\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002245266b1297a8430ba2823ad07f2cdf32\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, in terms of price points, the prices that we are looking at are maximum prices. If I can give an example from the member\u2019s own electorate, the example of a KiwiBuild home, in terms of McLennan, we have said that we will be building a house that will cost around about $579,000 for a 3-bedroom house. In Auckland, over the last year or so\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6becb30cc7447bcbe1b8bc5f0ed1fa3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Nice try. Any further supplementaries?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b6e4baa9e0134b4f9db88b36f9bfcf4b\u0022\u003EFiscal Strategy\u2014Capital Investment\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022 data-id=\u0022f80bd3073edd4227a2337e4470e966ff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f80bd3073edd4227a2337e4470e966ff\u0022\u003EVIRGINIA ANDERSEN (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What capital investment needs has he been made aware of ahead of Budget 2018?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022bffcc46440b74b1eb06efbb99974f17f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bffcc46440b74b1eb06efbb99974f17f\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E In the build-up to Budget 2018, I\u2019ve been made aware of the scale of capital investment needs we\u2019ve inherited. Treasury reports that our district health boards will require $10 billion worth of Crown investment over the next 10 years. We\u2019ve also inherited issues in the education portfolio, where a further $1.1 billion is needed over the next four years to pay for school roll growth. We\u2019ve also had to make up for the $9.7 billion shortfall in the Auckland Transport Alignment Project. Fortunately, as I announced in a speech this morning, the Government\u2019s net capital spending will total $42 billion over the next five years\u2014that is $10 billion more than the five-year forecast by the previous Government before the election. We are committed to fixing the foundations of our communities, country, and economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e97e55dc848045358f938674253bf189\u0022\u003EVirginia Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: What has the Government done so far to address capital investment needs? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa118c9b0d454c96a83c1ff8ffd537b8\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ve already made a significant difference with our 100-day plan. As part of last year\u2019s mini-Budget, we allocated major capital investments that will make a long-term difference to the lives of New Zealanders. This included the $2 billion for our KiwiBuild project, and we have also restarted contributions to the New Zealand Superannuation Fund after nine years of no Government contributions. This is crucial for us to safeguard superannuation for future generations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227eb9feccfdd0408f889ede9c830aca44\u0022\u003EVirginia Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: How is the Government funding these investments?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c473fe0f175b44769d635cdaea17d4b4\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ve taken a number of actions to ensure that we can afford all of our much-needed capital commitments. Firstly, we reversed the previous Government\u2019s poorly targeted tax cuts, which would have disproportionately benefited the wealthiest. We\u2019re also taking a more responsible debt repayment track, giving ourselves headroom to make these essential investments. And we have been able to reprioritise around $700 million of funding over the next four years by repurposing spending that does not fit with our Government\u2019s plans or does not represent value for money. We also have a growing economy that is contributing to our resources. These actions have allowed us to free up resources so we can correct the social and infrastructure deficits we\u2019ve inherited. You will see this reflected in the Budget when it is announced in a week today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224d8166e53b4c4af78546f2313f09d142\u0022\u003EImmigration Policy\u2014Campaign Policies, Deportation, Immigration Reduction, and Work Visas\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u002265031c49ec7f4c058323ba6b8c8e7aff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002265031c49ec7f4c058323ba6b8c8e7aff\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Immigration: Does he agree with the Prime Minister when she said this week that the Government\u2019s current immigration policy is \u201Cexactly the same one we campaigned on\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022 data-id=\u0022b8fd8b7427994935aab02c1045fe8bca\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b8fd8b7427994935aab02c1045fe8bca\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Minister of Immigration):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, and by way of example for the member, I\u2019ll read the first line of the Labour Party election manifesto: \u201CLabour will: Ensure that businesses are able to get genuinely skilled migrants when they need them.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b3be360cd254c839fe38970d20589c7\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Which position on the campaign commitments is correct\u2014that the 20,000 to 30,000 reduction was an estimate, or the Labour leader\u2019s response, when asked last year, \u201CWill you cut tens of thousands of immigrants coming into the country?\u201D, was, \u201CYes; it has to be.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022da1f5aec86aa4a05a98fa09873ce648f\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: Again, let me quote from the Labour Party manifesto: \u201COur approach will be to focus on the skills and people we need to make New Zealand more prosperous. We will make it easier for regions that have room to grow to attract the people they need while reducing pressure on Auckland and other regions that are feeling the strain of population growth. Under Labour, our immigration system will deliver for everyone who lives in New Zealand regardless of whether you were born here or have chosen to make New Zealand your home. In total, our changes are estimated to reduce net migration by 20,000 to 30,000.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd472615357d4f68acf7f5345e04d926\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Did he advise Independent Tertiary Education New Zealand that he no longer intended to implement the policy of restricting visas for so-called low-level sub-degree courses, which were estimated to reduce migration by 6,000 to 10,000?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa39aa15815949e0b3663045bd988a83\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: The member will be aware that student visas, in-study work visas, and post-study work visas are an area of priority for this Government. We will have proposals available for public consultation in the very near future, and the member can look forward to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c89ed35faf1a4bc2a22e4d1535d31ada\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The Minister replied to the question, referring to post-study work visas. The question was about work visas for low-level sub-degree courses.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d29b69e559c147ff96fd37379857fbda\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: My understanding is that the Minister actually referred to three groups, not only the post-study group. He did refer to the group the member\u2019s talking about. I\u2019m just going to check that\u2014yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227228d259174640c1a6759187d67724a7\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: What have the regions said about the Government\u2019s immigration policy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022285e6d5817034fa79e2fc3c1dbb40815\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: I have been up and down the country, and I\u2019ve talked to employers in all of our major industries. Many of them have expressed concerns about the hastily rushed through changes that were implemented last year, but they also expressed extremely strong support for this Government\u2019s plan to take a more regional approach to immigration, and they understand that this will take a little bit of time to get it right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022291c8a198a964c559ddb75bb3e35fd02\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Has he or the Minister of Housing and Urban Development discussed with officials putting a pause on deporting individuals unlawfully in New Zealand who have construction skills?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227efa12fe72d34636b3c8a432e6e50031\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: That is not a policy that this Government is pursuing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a12f871fc3574fb181014dfb7546740e\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. My question was not, \u201CWas that Government policy?\u201D, but \u201CDid he or the Minister of Housing and Urban Development have a conversation with his officials about that?\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f58c918c27f4eb7a3dad3ba9c8dd1f1\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m going to ask the Minister to address the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002265b737abf6bb40329976968cd1077aad\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: As the member will know, as a former Minister, ideas come up from all the over place. Ideas get considered. But that is not a policy that this Government is pursuing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220a135e98016b4c849b1fec7e7b333bda\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Given that all but two of the 28 campaign pledges made by the Labour Party in 2017 do not require legislation, do not require appropriation, why on earth has he not pursued and implemented more than one of those other 26 policies?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220388b0f1da444e92b632ec55bf58b2cb\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: I can understand why the member is eager to see some good immigration policy, after nine long years of waiting in the wilderness for something decent to happen. I understand why he\u2019s hungry for it. But he will also understand that this Government has excellent officials working to support us to turn our manifesto commitments into policy that can be implemented, and the member will see the fruition of that work in the very near future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002248a8001305844b9ab8d0ea869c3062d4\u0022\u003EMycoplasma Bovis\u2014Compensation, Government-Industry Agreements, and National Animal Identification and Tracing\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022 data-id=\u002285981bbb3a31463facb4c2877d306d65\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002285981bbb3a31463facb4c2877d306d65\u0022\u003EHon NATHAN GUY (National\u2014\u014Ctaki)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Biosecurity: Does he stand by all his statements and actions in relation to Mycoplasma bovis?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u00225eb0fb0d85de416c8da246fa0b796841\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225eb0fb0d85de416c8da246fa0b796841\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI (Associate Minister of Agriculture):\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for Biosecurity: Yes, in the context in which they were said and made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002204cca0c45e3849f486fdb3ab39c90e78\u0022\u003EHon Nathan Guy\u003C/span\u003E: When he said on Radio New Zealand he hadn\u2019t thrown out the biosecurity Government-industry agreements (GIAs) but all decisions had to be fair, does he still support GIAs in the existing agreements signed by 16 organisations?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221367a9ea7c064a6b9a83250ce3b6ad5d\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI\u003C/span\u003E: For the members, the GIA has not being signed by the New Zealand Dairy Board or Beef and Lamb New Zealand\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e54f6cd3d1ea44358463a31205a9302d\u0022\u003EHon Nathan Guy\u003C/span\u003E: It has.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225d86ac830efd4942942c82ea28383208\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI\u003C/span\u003E: It has not. I\u2019ve been advised it has not been signed by the two industry players. All taxpayers and farmers believe that the cost should be shared in this response. It\u2019s a reasonable expectation, and we want to make sure that it\u2019s fair for all the players, including farmers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226389e1ee0d9d4045b25de755744c198f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, I\u2019ve lost the member\u2019s name.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f1ad57d377c4604825c5940ce725cb5\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Andrew Falloon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf8fb0717d924fa09ed5e6e4d7d38c9a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Falloon. I\u2019ve got Falloon. Andrew Falloon, thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2de46a-9047-4bfe-92c8-5f14fd415dfb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad8e35647e0c49808ac1cf72105596b6\u0022\u003EAndrew Falloon\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Does his 80 percent compensation target of yesterday include requests from farms where culling has begun but has not been completed, as is the case with a mid-Canterbury farmer who tested positive in January\u2014culling is being carried over several weeks, but not a cent of compensation has been paid despite loss of income, crippling costs, and enormous stress?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022354e2ecbbbeb4b08a4da1fe8971805cc\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m advised that the Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) are working very hard with the industries. Obviously, as the Minister, I can\u2019t get involved with the individual farmers, but I can report to that member that they are working very hard on that information that they\u2019ve received through the National Animal Identification and Tracing (NAIT) system and that for those that do not have it, MPI officials are sitting at the kitchen tables with farmers to identify where those cattle are. We are addressing all the proposals that are received in a timely manner. Like the Minister said, 80 percent of claims that are fully applied are being addressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a49d6e95488140cebd56f371d1e13a69\u0022\u003EHon Nathan Guy\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware that five to six farms are on the brink of bankruptcy and one farmer has reportedly asked, \u201CWhat is it going to take\u2014me stringing myself up from a tree?\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220221880660ba4dc69675ed5988c4fd4a\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI\u003C/span\u003E: As I\u2019ve said, officials are working actively as we speak to address the response from using the NAIT system, that that member introduced when he was in office, that hasn\u2019t been working. We are working very hard. We have 250 officials working with farmers as we speak to address this response that that Government left\u2014the mess when they were in Government last.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002249218c9bd8fa46a4a4d621ccd4e8d77e\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Sir, I want to raise a matter for your attention\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b9e297f455744f488f02aa27738aaab\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is it a point of order?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a14ee56b9b545fbb9f22d7f4942ac02\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m making a point of order. The matter pertains to the content of the last question. You are very judicious in terms of how you judge the appropriateness of that question. Suggesting that the current Minister is responsible for that sort of death is totally unacceptable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc7a4470f7a448aa8c7a40d2fbeb875c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I think the tone of the point of order was not helpful. But I think that members do need to take a lot of care in the House when they are referring to matters like that. I think that members making that sort of suggestion will be seen by many mental health experts as being irresponsible, and members should contemplate carefully\u2014should contemplate carefully\u2014that sort of public approach. But, having said that, Mr Jones, it is, in the end, in this case, a matter of taste and judgment, and I don\u2019t have responsibility for that at that level of question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002242d17f68a4224276892ac27fe9e1a9bf\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e4cb6d2d3e4405e98b194ad6a6195e0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just ask the member\u2014it would be really good if this issue did not become quite a big public issue, for the very reason that I\u2019ve made my comments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226e31bd9dd51543e396cd0d812cc74dc0\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: And I accept that, but we have just taken that advice from you and I\u2019m sure we\u2019ll follow it, but I would point out to Mr Jones that during his sabbatical from this place, it was regular practice for the Opposition to start questions saying, \u201CIs the Minister aware of\u201D, and then give a first name and outline some very dire circumstances that the alleged person was in. Now, I think that was bad practice. The reality is today\u2019s was a quote, and Mr Jones might also reflect on why one of his colleagues shot back across the House a completely unacceptable interjection about what the questioner should do with himself in regards to that activity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220882a5de81d14282bf23ab483cd45631\u0022\u003EHon Nathan Guy\u003C/span\u003E: If he\u2019s so concerned about NAIT compliance, why will it take him 60 days after seeing the published report before he gets any advice from his officials? [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002265dbd2c456314aa39b8f27ac779b1575\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Can I ask members on both sides\u2014this is a very serious matter. It\u2019s very important for lots of farming families around, and I would prefer\u2014in fact, I\u2019m going to rule\u2014that this answer is going to be heard in silence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223df5fc079a794b448e37134bb77331e0\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. The main problem that is faced, as that member well knows, is that the modelling is trying to account for the animal movements that weren\u2019t recorded in the national animal tracing system. However, the hard-working, diligent, proactive Minister for Biosecurity, Minister O\u2019Connor, has tasked officials to work quickly on options for improving the NAIT system, including the reports that he\u2019s receiving. We will make sure farmers are involved and understand the importance of that work. Unlike the previous Government, we are not going to muck around and\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eed482440dd3472db206ecbb7f9f315a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That\u2019s enough.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002275b301d94906497fb42e964148898650\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Could I ask the Minister as to whether the Government would consider the possibility of a farm debt mediation bill\u2014something which the Labour Party and New Zealand First have supported in the past, but which the National Party opposed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288683fd4b2a4485eba92f590dc4573bf\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely. We are a coalition Government of action and doing the right things by farmers throughout New Zealand, and they\u2019re seeing it as we speak.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221cb3fb1134a640818237a0d57d595e63\u0022\u003EHon Nathan Guy\u003C/span\u003E: Why are M. bovis cattle being trucked to Gore for slaughtering and ending up in \u014Camaru\u2019s general landfill when there is no food safety issues with the meat? Surely this seems wasteful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d67340a688f84227a15d8e393398a330\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI\u003C/span\u003E: As I said, if we had the NAIT system properly implemented, then we would have had clear records on the movements of animals. We are looking at the NAIT to improve it so the tracking system is better than what we\u2019ve actually inherited.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022901cf59e0e2c44e297e4b7c01e3f36b0\u0022\u003EHon Nathan Guy\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. That was a very specific question\u2014nothing to do with animal tracing movements. It was why\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c18ca9a2ad63418eaec3224110020d5d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the member actually did ask: \u201CHow come dead animals were being taken to some place other than where they were slaughtered?\u201D That is a matter of where animals\u2014you know, it\u2019s not up to me to make a judgment about the quality of the answer, and I have no idea when tracing stops, and the member\u2019s not going to sort that out by point of order. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022580ab9cdd38746219526c1650edae974\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Look, I know you can\u2019t seek leave on someone else\u2019s behalf, but I would like to use this point of order to indicate to the Rt Hon Winston Peters that we\u2019d be most interested to see an urgent farm debt management bill brought to the House so that these poor guys who are suffering can be paid out\u2014nothing will happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9c1b4c90d0b4e77a384a7d9aa6ed6fa\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order, despite the belated sense of responsibility of that questioner, that was not a point of order. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022798470b11b33444495f88dae17446385\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I think we could say the same about both of them. Thank you\u2014we\u2019ll move on to the next question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002230481118a9064cd5852e4ad060ff5fe2\u0022\u003EDefence Force\u2014Aircrew Training Capability\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022 data-id=\u00223780ad1b067f46de8a22a9217c8d1c98\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223780ad1b067f46de8a22a9217c8d1c98\u0022\u003EDARROCH BALL (NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Defence: What progress, if any, has been made regarding aircrew training capability for the Royal New Zealand Air Force?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u0022071b553d73ec4a15a68deec98c4d59e1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022071b553d73ec4a15a68deec98c4d59e1\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK (Minister of Defence):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker\u2014great question. Today, I announced that the first of four leased Beechcraft King Air 350 (KA350) aircraft has been certified for use by the Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF), marking a step-change in the future of aircrew training. The new aircraft will replace the Beechcraft King Air 200 fleet, which provides RNZAF multi-engine pilot training and light airlift drop operation, such as transport and humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. The new fleet will also enable specialist crew training, such as navigation, flight training, mission management, and communications to be brought back to New Zealand after more than two decades of being based in Australia. In an additional boost to air force capability, two of the aircraft will be configured to assist in the important maritime surveillance task across our exclusive economic zone. A contract worth over $10 million per year for 10 years will be delivered with no increase in operating costs for the Defence Force. The remaining three aircraft will be delivered progressively over the next year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb95f261416a46dcb77df4d60b4abacd\u0022\u003EDarroch Ball\u003C/span\u003E: What is the benefit to the air force of having the KA350 capability in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c58baad2bf814159ac5d59b13769bf1c\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: Great question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1349624cc004859a1f4835ac0d84bf1\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: You can get to the Wairarapa quicker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002220649ad4dbfc4704b09ad34ff0469fe5\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ll get to that. We\u2019ll get to that shortly, I\u2019m sure. Aircrew training of New Zealand defence personnel has taken place in Australia since 1993, where the students were based for one year at a time. This brings that training home by having the KA350 capability in New Zealand. New Zealand Defence Force personnel required to undergo aircrew training will no longer need to travel offshore for long periods. This reduces the inefficiencies related to remote training both in relation to timing and cost. Additionally, it will mean that the extensive bridging training will no longer be required, and it will provide flexibility by having crew ready and accessible for other tasks here at home in New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229f008a0f936b4fbb83da2eb960ee13fe\u0022\u003EDarroch Ball\u003C/span\u003E: How does the lease of four KA350s affect local industry and jobs in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e8958b89cdc4e429686d951227e1f79\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: More good news. The prime contractor for the KA350s is Hawker Pacific New Zealand Ltd. With 18 full-time employees working at \u014Ch\u0101kea, Hawker Pacific employ local and New Zealand \u2013 wide businesses to provide services and equipment\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b2b9a7220fe546cb97bb102eb86c8d1d\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: How\u2019re we going with the P-8s?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201525610fac1400580cc9747679b05eb\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014including flight interiors\u2014put the question\u2014national aircraft interiors, trade tools, Wormald, and NZ Safety. Mr Mitchell might remember that the lease also supports Marops, an award-winning and rapidly growing Auckland-based software company, which is working alongside of Hawker Pacific to integrate the training mission systems with the aircraft and the sensor suite.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227352508a8bae42b4ac582c92f11cfaf7\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: P-8s are dead.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c353be892a1a40cbb44c3577b5e7575b\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: Ask the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235f65dae0a034d6f9e158c3a7fb41251\u0022\u003EDarroch Ball\u003C/span\u003E: How successful have recent pilot training capabilities projects been overall?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022616cb50204d043b2b767ce31b6ec54f2\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: Another great question. The arrival of the KA350s completes the full revitalisation of pilot and aircrew training activities for the New Zealand Air Force, bringing them\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022283126d3a7c748fdae73b578151014cf\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Plenty of pilots, no planes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247460d222522434897da2e23f0624a57\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014right up to date to the highest performance in safety standards, Mr Brownlee. Basic training is now undertaken on the 11 new Beechcraft T-6C Texan aircraft, supported by simulators and other advanced ground-based training systems, which have also, thankfully, and spectacularly, allowed the regeneration of our air force aerobatic team the Black Falcons. Fantastic news, isn\u2019t it? [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224658706184524850920aa7d322ca5107\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, does the member want a question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231f0b9cb38c242f5b1e237276af35773\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, he does.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b1bb95a9da94453ea56a15c98ffdb6e0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019m very tempted to ask him if they can land at Masterton, or if they can go to Carterton.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228950e7e3fc24d4cb32f6cb3cc7a99f2\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker, probably, yes. We\u2019ll soon find out. Pop over, we\u2019ll give you flight. But one thing I can tell you, Mr Speaker, they will not be able to take Mark Mitchell from his home, 20 minutes down the road from Whenuapai\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f607086d3ae444c1b970a42cb4198831\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK. That\u2019s enough. [Interruption] Order! All right, that\u2019s enough. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224c7a8bcb893b4d8e9f885ddc83402ef2\u0022\u003ESchools\u2014Christchurch Schools Rebuild Funding and Redcliffs School\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022 data-id=\u002288004d1919214066893cb3b52c1f88cb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002288004d1919214066893cb3b52c1f88cb\u0022\u003EHon NIKKI KAYE (National\u2014Auckland Central)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: Does he stand by his reported comments that he only found out in October last year that the $1.13 billion Christchurch Schools Rebuild programme was funded over successive years?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u002201f3b4d1cba940afa83b102bf408fa47\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002201f3b4d1cba940afa83b102bf408fa47\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E I stand by my actual statement that combined with the need to fund roll growth, urgent repair work, and there being no money left in the kitty to finish the Christchurch Schools Rebuild programme, we\u2019re facing a whopping $1.1 billion hole over the next four years, and that is what I was alerted to upon becoming a Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227553445d5a6488c941298053e1a1e36\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: When did he know about the existing Canterbury school rebuild programme being appropriated on a yearly basis, and why didn\u2019t he include it in Labour\u2019s fiscal costings before the election?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208ad73b6aad6417c8d05fc4ea221ffe1\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: The member didn\u2019t listen to my first answer. I knew about that when the Government announced it at the time, because I criticised their decision not to appropriate the funding for their commitment at the time, and it was included in our pre-election plans.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f89282769da845599dd146cad3ea7bbd\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Is he saying that the Christchurch Press was wrong when they reported him and his press statement saying that it was a hole, when he is now saying that he did know about the Canterbury school rebuild and the existing funding that was to be appropriated? Who\u2019s wrong: the Christchurch Press or him?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed3764193eb046ea9bf5124e89ae57a9\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: The member clearly didn\u2019t listen to my answer to the primary question. It was a reported comment, not a direct quote.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226056bbe4b345475c9ed2f543d86a629d\u0022\u003EHon Ruth Dyson\u003C/span\u003E: Has he seen any reports recently in relation to Christchurch schools; and, if so, what did they say?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f520078b1cf042ec84f258ae1f52db21\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, indeed, I have. Just this week, I\u2019ve seen a report that advised of the excellent decision by the Minister for Greater Christchurch Regeneration to use the special powers of her portfolio to fast track the return of Redcliffs School to its community. The school\u2019s been operating out of its community since June 2011 and were threatened with closure previously. It\u2019s great news that it\u2019s now returning to Redcliffs, and I am reliably informed that the school is ready to return.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d5bb70d22614e68a682ff5f63d1094c\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Why won\u2019t he admit that he is classifying business-as-usual property spend and existing programmes like the rebuild for Canterbury as holes to cover up his negligence for either not including them in his costings or justifying why he won\u2019t be able to deliver his education promises?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e65a2edfeef14ca3b8eb08ff24bb3885\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: What was negligent was leaving a $1.1 billion capital deficit in the education budget\u201417,000 additional students who wouldn\u2019t have a classroom or a school to go to if this Government didn\u2019t pick up the pieces left behind by the previous administration.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fc70b6117eaf4fda98d430afc29729ab\u0022\u003EJob Creation and Employment\u2014Fruit Picking, Migrant Workers, Refugees, and Support for the Unemployed\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022 data-id=\u00229d0136c22d204311a2f89c1d9deff2a9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229d0136c22d204311a2f89c1d9deff2a9\u0022\u003ELAWRENCE YULE (National\u2014Tukituki)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Employment: Does he stand by his statement in the House on Tuesday that \u201Cwe won\u2019t be punishing everybody who mucks up\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u0022e7de4fa843994208bce936ece33e030b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e7de4fa843994208bce936ece33e030b\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Minister of Employment):\u003C/span\u003E I come from a background where giving people a second, third, and fourth chance is the norm. Forgiveness means everything in our communities, and not giving up on people has been part of our lifelong philosophy. Of course I stand by my statement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228717b192ade04940b2c82a36da8649bc\u0022\u003ELawrence Yule\u003C/span\u003E: Is an unemployed New Zealander \u201Cmucking up\u201D if they refuse to pick fruit while receiving the job seeker\u2019s benefit?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5013bb8b4524676a351a5c73a8173ff\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: There are a lot of circumstances around different individuals. It\u2019s not just black and white. It\u2019s easy to make that assessment to start off with, but we have to look at what\u2019s happening in the family, and I\u2019m disappointed that that man from Ngati Kahungunu is talking in this manner.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201c749da4af4430f97df41ee93d031d7\u0022\u003ELawrence Yule\u003C/span\u003E: Should unemployed New Zealanders turn down fruit picking because they don\u2019t believe it is dignified work?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e0ec60b602c4437fb4bffc6e654b9157\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Again, a lot of circumstances come in to play. This Government is committed to people having dignified work. Doing what the member said in terms of getting out there\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221be52bc5a82149d9a20ec181c31604aa\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: Picking fruit\u2014say it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dcc86ef9e56148478788db699ddcf296\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, no, absolutely\u2014picking fruit is dignified work. There\u2019s no shame in picking fruit. However, a lot of circumstances come in to play, and that member should know that. It\u2019s not easy, sometimes, to move 50 kilometres. It\u2019s not easy, sometimes, to walk away from your family. It\u2019s not easy for people to give up everything just to pick fruit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022675b2301f4ca49e595fcb037f71ac4f6\u0022\u003ETamati Coffey\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister made any other statements recently about supporting people that make mistakes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022848f2972c0024e1687f7ba3327b309f7\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve made multiple statements as the Minister of Employment around\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229329119fb9f2406284cdff7ccfe3cf9d\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Multiple mistakes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a40858d93cf7428ea58dc2fec0b417ea\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve made multiple statements, I should say, as the Minister of Employment\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226a874cfaefad4670bbfbff6b70657d27\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: You were right the first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022350103c02d564ef4bb1b988aec2695d9\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014I did say that, yeah\u2014around encouraging our communities and our employers to not give up on people who need greater support, to keep them connected to the workforce. I\u2019ve encouraged them to provide pastoral care\u2014something the National Party has no idea of\u2014so that they will look at all avenues that are barriers to employment and help our communities work through that, whether that\u2019s through their travel, accommodation, childcare, or community commitments, or health. The Government\u2019s intention is to lift people up, not keep them down. Punitive measures are not the answer here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f3dc63d4f6f4e56bb86ceb5f5f3fac0\u0022\u003ELawrence Yule\u003C/span\u003E: Is it the Government\u2019s policy to use refugees to fill labour shortages, as proposed by Iain Lees-Galloway in a recent visit to Hawke\u2019s Bay?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa7086cd016545eebba8d57d9d23b93f\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: We know we have a crisis at the moment. We\u2019ll work through short-term solutions to achieve our goal. We know there\u2019s a gap there\u2014there\u2019s a hole. We\u2019ll do what the National Party was doing for nine years and fill the gap for a short while, but we\u2019re committed to local labour and we\u2019re committed to a comprehensive strategy in terms of employment down there in the Bay of Plenty, and we\u2019re committed to employing New Zealanders first.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230ef808a694b441fa7f67b8a84f5877d\u0022\u003ELawrence Yule\u003C/span\u003E: If it is good enough for refugees to pick fruit, why is it not good enough for unemployed New Zealanders to pick fruit?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d2a46e53e15406397e6d30606849bcc\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just say I\u2019m stunned that the former Mayor of Hastings and a Kahungunu man is asking such stupid questions. The reality is because, as he well knows, people have big families, people have commitments, people can\u2019t just move at the drop of a hat like that person, who has an uncaring and insensitive attitude to his local people. He should be ashamed of himself, and I hope Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu totally dismisses him. Some Ngati Porou are in the House, and I\u2019m sure they\u2019re shocked at his questions too.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abff973177704dc0b6f85a5850ddb27f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I\u2019m going to remind the Minister\u2014and it\u2019s a ruling that hasn\u2019t been pulled out for a while\u2014that it is not appropriate to refer to people in the gallery. I think we allow it more than we used to, but calling individuals or groups of individuals into matters which are not directly related is certainly outside previous Speakers\u2019 rulings, thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225f2f598e834640358b49a3800d915a09\u0022\u003ELawrence Yule\u003C/span\u003E: When he said on Tuesday, \u201CWe won\u2019t go down the easy route and just hire foreigners all the time\u201D, why did he think it is easier to hire foreigners than encourage unemployed New Zealanders into gainful employment?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002245e08674caa44e6d8fa7ef0a677dc768\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: We have a shortfall at the moment, and we\u2019ll do what we do. We\u2019ll do what we have to do right now, but we have a strategy that we\u2019re going to roll out. We\u2019re working with the growers, we\u2019re working with the employers, and we\u2019re working with the unions. The reality is we have a bit of a crisis going on. You have to do what you have to do to get through the problems, as that member should know.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c7a6fc91dbd64c52b5225112b7b1b791\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f9e5f9b55dc4ef28ae5a004026aca6c\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002293eb805e17f04849aa49d2ec6911635c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: A point of order\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225faa451c8bd3463bb3ff880b6b10a5c3\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll wait until the end of the question, because it may get worse yet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022143095ea17df4e438862902657e4ab6c\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Can I ask the Minister\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221c671eda329d4fe69e8f1a75c213b3d7\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no. Order! Can the member resume his seat. I\u2019m going to ask Mr Brownlee to stand, withdraw, and apologise for his misuse of the point of order system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228ee43e29b5db49febbd865d0d88d79c0\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022929b84e76a00406b831d1e237eefa9e0\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister give an assurance to whoever might pick the fruit, local or from outside of the Hawke\u2019s Bay, that when they get down to Hastings as part of their employment contract they will not be poisoned by the water?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257aa42b4934a4afaa8a4466598080be3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member does not have responsibility. [Interruption] I think the member has\u2014[Interruption] Order! I\u2019m ruling that, like Ms Salesa\u2019s approach earlier, it\u2019s in the category of a nice try and might even have made his point, but it\u2019s not an area of responsibility for employment contracts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241605df7b8ad4a94bc9405ee3fa68506\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I\u2019d disagree with you that it was a nice try. There was nothing nice about that at all, and the whole tenor of the answer from the Minister who was being questioned quite legitimately\u2014if you look at the questions that were asked, there were no political barbs in them, no innuendo in them, just straight questions about matters that relate to his portfolio and what he has been saying publicly. Yet throughout, he resorted to very personal attacks on my colleague. Now, while that doesn\u2019t particularly bother us, it does, I think, reflect poorly on the Parliament, and I think Ministers who resort to that need to have it called to their attention that that style of answer does very little for either their own prestige, the prestige of the Government, or, in fact, the elucidation of Parliament itself.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224fb761de3eb640fd9d76cd5b69a5f4e2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I think I\u2019m just going to reiterate a comment that I made earlier that both in questions and in answers I can\u2019t be\u2014unless something is outrageous\u2014an arbiter of taste. I think the member is correct in his characterisation of the replies, but we are talking about an area where there is, I think it\u2019s fair to say, a fierce contest of philosophies, and that was playing out both in the questions and in the answers. But I think members have all heard what Mr Brownlee said, and wise Ministers would take it on board.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229d8aba38b0d346aebdc79ed79fd77d48\u0022\u003ESocial Services\u2014Data Collection and Data Use\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022c1cde0a01865442f913f34f14d75d2d2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c1cde0a01865442f913f34f14d75d2d2\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR (Labour\u2014\u014Ch\u0101riu)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Social Development: What data-related announcements has she recently made?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022 data-id=\u0022673f4f38c2c84a1aac79f50c2562280e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022673f4f38c2c84a1aac79f50c2562280e\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for Social Development):\u003C/span\u003E On Monday, the Government announced that we will be undertaking broad consultation with the social sector, seeking New Zealanders\u2019 views on social well-being and how to best promote and use people\u2019s personal information. From May to August, the Social Investment Agency will be engaging with the social sector in 28 locations across the country. This initiative is the start of building a systematic approach to the way we work with data and wider evidence to improve how Government makes decisions and delivers services.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201bf60680c184c0b8dc6ed9387af708c\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: What else is being done to ensure improved practices around data use?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d3273a6415b465a90e7bd8a3b90678f\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: The Ministry of Social Development (MSD) has developed a framework that it is putting into use that ensures privacy, human rights, and ethics are built into the way they develop new services. It is a set of smart tools that will help those designing services to pause right from the start and ask the vital question: just because we have the information, is it right to use it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022efbc3163cc1b4f2a9431b7a3e29b966d\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Why is this work important?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201c77d9c6a264f5182c5d942a83adadd\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: Data and analytics have a valuable role to play in designing and delivering services that work for people. However, they must be used responsibly and carefully. It\u2019s important that the public trusts how Government uses data and is part of ensuring the rules that govern it\u2014a concept that the previous Government failed miserably to understand. As a Government, we are taking tangible steps to build a culture of treating people with dignity and respect. This includes respecting people\u2019s privacy, human rights, and maintaining high ethical standards when it comes to their information. The fact that MSD\u2019s work has been welcomed and endorsed by the Privacy Commissioner speaks volumes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002225993644ae3c4123a8061aec748d813d\u0022\u003EPolice\u2014Authorised Officers, Front-line Officers, and Volunteer Rural Constabulary\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u00227224d0ef6d6d4159a557f33e691b45bb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227224d0ef6d6d4159a557f33e691b45bb\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National\u2014Hutt South)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Police: Does he stand by his answer to Oral Question No. 10 yesterday, in relation to new police, that \u201Call 1,800 work on the front line\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u00228f32575935374c91991433457180861c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228f32575935374c91991433457180861c\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister of Police):\u003C/span\u003E Absolutely.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264c64a89db174335b2f6f107ad7a5c54\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: How many of the 1,800 extra police will be able to respond to family violence call outs, burglaries, and assaults?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022129fce2a80804d0daa2a86b42075b688\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: It depends how many are on duty at the time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d9df3b7350341a183cf22130cd16896\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. It was a very direct, very straight, non-political question, and I think it deserves better than that trifling answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a4950d2ae08452188e8cb1196a5d1ed\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the member asked a question; he got a response. It was within the Standing Orders. The member doesn\u2019t have to like the answer, but he can follow it up with further supplementaries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002266f001720e144046bb98fb940091450c\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Is he saying an authorised officer\u2014for example, a police forensic accountant, as he mentioned on Tuesday\u2014could be deployed to arrest perpetrators of family violence and burglary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ddc6dd88e0b44cf6be3253917429161e\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Authorised officers have specific powers under the Policing Act 2008, section 24. Authorised officers investigate complex electronic or financial crimes. They tackle money-laundering, terrorist financing, and other serious crimes. This is very much front-line crime-fighting in 21st century policing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227163eb1e9d234fd3960175ab250f95cd\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: What are the new qualities and skills that the New Zealand Police are looking for from these new front-line officers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002272871f0e2a1149a187c9354b0b099bbc\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: We need a police service that is fit for the 21st century and the increasing transnational and cyber nature of organised crime. For example, the dark web is the front line for some areas of organised crime. We need police officers with highly sought-after skills in cyber crime and forensic accounting. We need police officers who can investigate money-laundering, terrorist financing, and other serious offences. This is very definitely front-line crime-fighting in 21st century policing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d57dcc678cd44faebe5df28f5166faac\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Is he now asking New Zealanders to accept that people working in back offices on forensic accounting, who don\u2019t have the power to arrest offenders by themselves, are front-line police officers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f243c29ff1c434dac6499eae310f02f\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Bishop, I think your definition of \u201Cfront-line police officers\u201D is a little bit 20th century. Mr Bishop, can I please\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226393bb1532eb4a7a99600c361130dcf4\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I think it would be appropriate if the answer was addressed to the Chair\u2014in this case, the Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7812c09aafa44f3a14788f5c9450232\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the member was mentioning the member, but he at least was making his comments in my direction, and I regard that as good enough.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268c6c03e7d44425588e675df0dd97217\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: No, he wasn\u2019t. He was looking over there again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cad32de101ac4713b61959c5741139e5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: He might have after he started. He started his question appropriately, and he will now start again, replying to the supplementary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237444fb39c904cc28c7a50c6cbf9cb24\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. We are delivering 1,800 more police officers than that Government delivered in seven years. Let me quote the Labour - New Zealand First coalition agreement: \u201CLaw and order: Strive towards adding 1800 new Police officers over three years and commit to a serious focus on combating organised crime and drugs.\u201D This is exactly what I am doing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268b2195bcb12422ab5cbde3063fa8a28\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Is it cheaper or more expensive to train and hire an authorised officer, relative to a sworn police officer?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a890a85f696442979b2f3d3b79a3e03f\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: There is a vast range of skills that 21st century policing needs. There are a number of sworn officers who need to go through the 16-week training at the Royal New Zealand Police College, and then there are other authorised officers who will have very specific skills around 21st century crime-fighting. That does not mean that one is front line and the other isn\u2019t. This is front-line 21st century policing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228ea62a1306cb4926bb11a9545711741a\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll ask the Minister again, because he didn\u2019t even address that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c570333260044f898d45a758b697187c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That was just a reflection on me. If he didn\u2019t address it, he would have been told to do it. He did address it, and the member is lucky. He can ask his question again if he wants to, but I\u2019m making it clear that it is an additional question. He\u2019s using another supplementary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b727810ecb99478ca79f2c672af7a29d\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Is it cheaper or more expensive to train and hire an authorised officer, relative to a sworn police officer?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fddac67a40ab4291b0742bc4ae7b3110\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: It really depends on their skills.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297f37dcd763d4ae5bd66df1fa354cd01\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Will he be counting the members of the volunteer rural constabulary\u2014or \u201Cvigilante cops\u201D, as some have called them\u2014as part of his 1,800 extra sworn police officers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220dc35d83922842d48f693329b0aa15a7\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I\u2019m going to give the member an opportunity to rephrase his question without the offensive comment to volunteers in New Zealand rural areas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec5ee04c722e4e128590ed17248e7640\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Will he be counting members of the volunteer rural constabulary, as mooted in the Labour - New Zealand First coalition agreement, as part of his 1,800 extra sworn front-line police officers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022633fc81ef3cd46ff87fbc3469b42f58f\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e33f45c12f8643e596ccafedec901f16\u0022\u003EState Services (Open Government)\u2014Open Government Strategy, Releasing Information, and Report\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u0022ddf99dbe51c34268b3cd184ff4adca50\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ddf99dbe51c34268b3cd184ff4adca50\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of State Services (Open Government): Does she stand by her statement that this Government will be \u201Cthe most open, most transparent Government that New Zealand has ever had\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022398ddfc24bec43ff86ef0be37dd614b5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022398ddfc24bec43ff86ef0be37dd614b5\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of State Services)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Associate Minister of State Services (Open Government): Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022587f9b885c754ee58aa1ba7367917e85\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Why has the Minister re-dated or blocked nearly all\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202dcc1b48ca6426b9bd8060066fc3b51\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I think the member meant \u201Credacted\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2ec05e9fbca44be9074395d07efaf44\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Redacted\u2014why has she redacted or blocked nearly all of the report on the open Government strategy, recently released under the Official Information Act, and does the Minister see an irony in reports on the open Government strategy being kept secret?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273a2e0e005154f08846fd01677ede1ab\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: In answer to the second part of the question, no. In answer to the rest of the question, the clue was in the middle bit of his question\u2014that it was released in accordance with the Official Information Act and the criteria set out in the Official Information Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224d90b81cdb9843ad8f46c534331079eb\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister telling the House that by re-dating\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9a80bee29254a2b8a8ac2f69da66251\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Redacting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220735a82009b241e7a4f8d79693f62f91\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014redacting all of the open Government strategy\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225788cf0dea8a4526be3dbf8f7a87de76\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can the member start again, please?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288c3c6a82ae440c8bcb504fdb4dcfa6e\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister advise the House of why it is acceptable to block out all of the Government\u2019s open Government strategy in the name of being the most open and transparent Government ever?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022474e36446c04440c881f76b77788b77e\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: Redacting is part of the Official Information Act. I encourage the member to read the Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b1e16084a7814f3591cbb8c9dfa61101\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Why is it necessary for reports to her on the open Government strategy to be kept secret?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226531008db7794903a90d13c10370fd76\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: Because they were released in accordance with the Official Information Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed4eadd0a6b74513a5f6abc2fe3d968d\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Is it consistent with the Government\u2019s commitment to be the most open and transparent Government ever for the Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media to refuse to release a key letter between the Radio New Zealand chair and the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment chief executive, when the document has already been made public by the select committee?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273cbcb40f36b41bda8db7be01dd751d8\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m unfamiliar with the details of that particular case. If the document\u2019s already in the public domain, then there\u2019s no need to release it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002248d5e58a099b4eda977c11bd0c9cb809\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister explain as to why she would give the reason for not releasing the document as the importance of confidentiality, when the select committee has released that very letter?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229da2462160f446549baffef19f19a72e\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: It could well be an issue of timing. I\u2019m not familiar with the exact details of that issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7b027f6477a4d2b9fa8cbbc22c73b5d\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Why does making the Government\u2019s open Government strategy secret somehow comply with the Government\u2019s ambition to be the most open and transparent Government ever?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264e1a7af1aec448ab17fb17ee760bbdb\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: The Government is doing a number of things in this area, but I\u2019d encourage the member to read the Official Information Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9729c467d7b4119bcab8c1329b4ca00\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I seek the leave of the House to table the Official Information Act request provided to my office in which the Government\u2019s open Government strategy is kept secret.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244c0bad82eac4fdb89f61483fe2113d9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just check: is the member seeking to table the request or the response?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268c3ab825ce2415d9f71c5a3ee619b41\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I am seeking to table the document that\u2019s been provided to my office, under the Official Information Act, where the bulk of it has been kept secret.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002279078237b6bb411aa8cab2b7006ff90d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The response. Is there any objection to that? There appears to be none. The document can be tabled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d4464fc0a88c486e8405b4ccf538f304\u0022\u003EConsumer Credit\u2014Practices and Regulation\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022 data-id=\u002240e03fa9f1ce4385b3086946573c0bfb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002240e03fa9f1ce4385b3086946573c0bfb\u0022\u003EDr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs: What advice has he received since commissioning the targeted review of consumer credit regulation in December last year on the extent of consumer credit-related harm in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u0022e34863455fa54a2f92463c2f141df1ad\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e34863455fa54a2f92463c2f141df1ad\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E An analysis of the Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Act has already found concerning evidence of predatory lending from unethical practices in debt collection and truck shops. Practices such as excessive interest rates, fees, and high-cost borrowing are trapping New Zealanders in debt spirals that are long term and have detrimental impacts. Consumer advocates are expressing strong concerns at the high cost of credit and inadequate assessments of the affordability of loans. People are being provided loans that they are not being able to pay back and are drawn into situations where the cost of the resulting debts is many times the original, due to interest rates and penalty charges. I think most New Zealanders would be appalled at some of the practices of some lenders, who tend to prey on the most vulnerable in our community.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221c51271e7b834922a9544aa9fd3f2380\u0022\u003EDr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Act, in its current form, fit for purpose?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022715b75383b66411a8c9cffef8be10c0f\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: No. In 2015, a number of changes were introduced to consumer credit legislation, and while some lenders have improved disclosure and information, I have spent time engaging with budget advisory groups, citizens advice bureaus, and NGOs across New Zealand, who are saying that, at the coalface, they are seeing lenders continuing to prey on vulnerable consumers, with predatory practices and unfair contracts. Such behaviour is creating debt spirals and significant financial stress, and the Government is working on appropriate protections for consumers in the place of current legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d453d49516eb45fca774a8b5fab74b32\u0022\u003EDr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: What action will the Government be taking to protect consumers from predatory lending practices?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298bd1219bc134bce90971f9ab019e9c9\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: I hope to see legislation introduced by the end of the year that will address predatory lending and some of the unethical practices I\u2019ve spoken about. I want to see New Zealanders well-informed and equipped with the best tools to navigate all the financial decisions that come their way. In addition to reforms, this Government is also committed to tackling many of the issues that contribute to financial stress, lifting financial capability, and building a strong and inclusive economy that delivers for all New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e452a624444b46c99952d70f61a58a7a\u0022\u003ENg\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223da5e7afbe4f4f78a859c49f712a142f\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u00221dd279a79c32416ea8e9d7ae533a8934\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221dd279a79c32416ea8e9d7ae533a8934\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2) be now read a first time. I nominate the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee to consider the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ETypically, as the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, I would stand before the House today presenting Treaty settlement bills\u2014or, at least, one of them\u2014but today is the beginning of a new era, the first of the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act legislation. This bill represents a new opportunity for M\u0101ori and the Crown to further our relationship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI would like to extend a warm welcome to members of Ng\u0101ti Porou who have travelled to be here today to attend the first reading of this bill. Nau mai, haere mai ki t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI want to begin by paying tribute to the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou and their unflagging determination in ensuring the Crown honours its commitment to them. The dedication shown by this iwi has been paramount to this bill\u2019s success. I want to acknowledge all the people who have contributed to the deed of agreement and the deed to amend. You have worked for many years to hold the Crown to account for the commitments formalised in 2008.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EFirst, it is important to acknowledge the resolve of the members of ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou. I want to acknowledge Dr Apirana Mahuika, the late Dr Mahuika. It is with sadness we remember his passing, so recent in our memories. E te rangatira, haere, haere, haere atu r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E[To the great chief, farewell, farewell, farewell.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EAs chair of the r\u016Bnanga and staunch advocate of the hap\u016B of Waiap\u016B, this bill before the House today would not have been possible without Dr Mahuika\u2019s vision and determination. He had both the determination to have the rights of the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou protected and the vision to ensure this was done while protecting the legitimate rights of all New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI must also pause to remember other leaders within Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2014r\u0101tou kua whet\u016Brangihia [those who have passed on]\u2014while the work for this bill was going on. So many are in our thoughts today. R\u0101tou ki a r\u0101tou, t\u0101tou ki a t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E[Let us leave those who have passed on and return to us, the living.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI\u2019d also like to acknowledge the work of my predecessor, Christopher Finlayson. He took the Crown\u2019s relationship with Ng\u0101ti Porou through the review and repeal of the Foreshore and Seabed Act, and into the enactment of the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ETo say that this bill has had an interesting history would, of course, be an understatement. It is the outcome of many years of hard work and dedication. The bill is unique, as it spans the history of two Acts and three Governments, and its story begins in 2004, under the old Foreshore and Seabed Act. In 2008, Ng\u0101ti Porou were the only group to reach and sign a foreshore and seabed deed of agreement with the Crown. A bill was introduced to the House to give effect to that deed of agreement in September of that year. Due to the review of the Foreshore and Seabed Act, this bill was not progressed beyond introduction. From the outset of that review, Government consistently stated that it would honour and fulfil its obligations in the deed of agreement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EFollowing the completion of the review of the Foreshore and Seabed Act, the Crown and ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou agreed that the 2008 deed of agreement would be amended, where required, to reflect the enactment of the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act. In 2017, the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou ratified the amended deed of agreement, and it was signed by ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou and the Crown late last year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe bill before the House today gives effect, in part, to the amended deed of agreement. Rather than amend the 2008 bill, a new bill will replace it. This is the bill before the House today. Its purpose is to contribute to the legal expression, protection, and recognition of the continued exercise of mana by ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou in relation to ng\u0101 rohe moana. The bill does this by recognising the unbroken, unalienable, and enduring mana of ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou in relation to ng\u0101 rohe moana. It provides legal mechanisms that support the expression and protection of the mana of the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou. However, it also recognises the Crown has a responsibility to ensure public access to, and the continuation of, lawful activities and uses of the common marine and coastal area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EBefore I go further, I want to explain a couple of the key terms in Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2) required to understand the effect of the bill. Ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou are the hap\u016B who are party to the amended deed of agreement. This bill does not apply to the hap\u016B who did not ratify, or to hap\u016B and iwi who are not part of Ng\u0101ti Porou descent. Ng\u0101 rohe moana o ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou is the rohe moana of ratified hap\u016B in the common marine and coastal area. These areas extend out to 12 nautical miles, and exclude private titles. The bill applies only in this area. The Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2) guarantees public rights of access, fishing, navigation, existing resource consents, and other lawful activities. In this regard it is no different to the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThis bill will provide a legislative regime for the recognition of their customary interests in the common marine and coastal area. In providing this regime, the Crown honours its commitment to the 2008 agreement. I am dedicated to seeing that the Crown does this. The bill\u2019s mechanisms for recognising the customary interests of ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou are similar to those found in the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act. However, they have some unique features that reflect the agreement reached with the hap\u016B in 2008. It provides for mechanisms that have been negotiated and agreed between ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou and the Crown that require legislation to bring them into effect. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThere are two forms of recognition for these customary interests. Part 2 of this bill sets out instruments that will apply across the whole of the hap\u016B\u2019s rohe moana. Part 3 of this bill sets out instruments that will apply only where customary marine title is recognised in a particular area. The process by which customary marine title and other customary interests can be recognised is set out in Part 4 of the bill. This is similar to that in the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act. The statutory tests that need to be met to recognise customary marine title are the same as in the current Act. Ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou can apply to the High Court for a customary marine title, or to the Crown for an agreement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThere are provisions within this legislation that are not available under the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act. These provisions reflect the Crown\u2019s commitment to the original deed of agreement, in so far as possible. I would like to draw to members\u2019 attention some of the instruments that this bill provides which are not available under the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act. The first of these provisions is that ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou have up to two years from enactment to apply for customary marine title. The Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act had a deadline of 3 April 2017. This variance ensures that ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou have sufficient time to apply for recognition of rights.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ESecondly, w\u0101hi tapu or w\u0101hi tapu areas can be agreed or ordered by the court across the whole application area, not only in the customary marine title areas. However, tests must be met for w\u0101hi tapu or w\u0101hi tapu areas to be applied and are the same as the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act. There is a customary fishing regulation-making power, at clause 49. Hap\u016B-based fisheries management committees will be created. These committees can prepare fisheries management plans and propose by-laws in customary marine title areas\u2014similar to that under the Fisheries (Kaimoana Customary Fishing) Regulations) 1998\u2014but it is the Minister who then approves those plans.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EFinally, a statutory overlay provides for an automatic right to be consulted over resource consent processes under the Resource Management Act, and processes under the Heritage New Zealand Pouhere Taonga Act 2014 within any recognised customary marine title area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EAs you will all now realise, this bill\u2019s rich history with the Crown is unique. It will be the only bill that provides for rights that were afforded in 2008, and also brings aspects of that deed into the new legislative framework. It ensures the integrity of the agreement, and the Crown is upheld. I consider the bill should proceed without delay to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and I commend this bill to the House. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u00223bac6d640ff249f4b1edd1147becf5b6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223bac6d640ff249f4b1edd1147becf5b6\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (National):\u003C/span\u003E National supports this legislation, which is perhaps not surprising given that I was the one who signed the deed of amendment on 9 August of last year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ECan I begin by endorsing everything that the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations said in his excellent speech, starting with his very warm tribute to that late, great New Zealander, Api Mahuika. I must confess I still miss, even today, some years after his death, that cheery \u201CKia ora, Chris\u201D phone call that I used to receive from him. He didn\u2019t bother to say who he was because he knew I knew immediately. I learnt so much from him. I regarded him as one of my mentors, along with the gravelly voiced T\u012Bpene O\u2019Regan from the South. Both of them are great New Zealanders, and the memory of Api Mahuika will live on for many, many years. I pay tribute to Ng\u0101ti Porou and the current leadership in the gallery. Can I particularly pay tribute to Api\u2019s son, Matanuku Mahuika, who really did all the grunt work on this legislation over a number of years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThis has been accurately summarised by the Minister in his speech. It is very much a one-off piece of legislation, a sui generis piece of legislation reflecting the intent, on the part of the Crown, to honour the original deed of settlement which was signed, as the Minister said, on October 2008 and reflecting all the changes that have occurred since then. I don\u2019t want to, sort of, rake over old coals or rip scabs off things or get into contentious material, but it\u2019s worth summarising just how we got to where we are today. It started with June 2003, when the Court of Appeal released its decision in the Ng\u0101ti Apa case and held that wh\u0101nau or iwi or individuals could apply to the court for an order that customary title existed in the foreshore and seabed. That gave rise, for various reasons, to legislation\u2014the Foreshore and Seabed Act of 2004, one of the more contentious pieces of legislation that this House has dealt with. When we became the Government in 2008, we said we would review that legislation, and that gave rise to the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act of 2011.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI admire the current Minister for a number of reasons, but I particularly admire him for his courage when he was the president of the Labour Party, in that period between 2008 and 2011, for standing up and saying, \u201CActually, we may have got that one wrong.\u201D I thought that his concession at that time was very bold, very noble, and very dignified. So the marine and coastal Act was passed, and it restored to M\u0101ori the right either to go to the court for an order for customary title or apply to the Minister of the day to negotiate an order which would be given effect to through legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EAs the Minister said, one of the points of difference is that there\u2019s a two-year limitation period, under this limitation, for the various hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou to apply for what is very similar to customary title under the marine and coastal Act, whereas the limitation period under the marine and coastal Act was six years, and that expired last year. Not surprisingly, given that there was a limitation period, there were quite a number of eleventh-hour applications, which excited the Hobson\u2019s Pledge people and people like that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe reality of the matter is there was a limitation period which was put in the marine and coastal Act, for very good policy reasons, and it was almost inevitable that there would be eleventh-hour applications. Some are very good applications; others are extremely weak, and the courts can sort those out, or the Minister can sort those out, in the years to come.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe important points to note are, first, that\u2014and the Minister\u2019s absolutely correct\u2014uniquely, Ng\u0101ti Porou had actually signed with Sir Michael Cullen a deed of settlement in relation to their foreshore and seabed matters on 30 October 2008. Legislation had been introduced before the dissolution of that Parliament, and for many years it lay on the bottom of the Order Paper.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EWhen the review was under way, or was beginning, I phoned Api Mahuika and I said, \u201CLook, I know your legislation\u2019s there, but it would make sense if the matter could be delayed for a number of months to enable the review to be conducted.\u201D Sir Eddie Durie was leading that review, with Professor Richard Boast and one other. It was just illustrative of that man\u2019s generosity of spirit on behalf of his iwi. He spoke to his iwi and said, \u201CYes. We will hold fire until the review takes place, but we want to make sure that we\u2019re not disadvantaged in any way.\u201D And I gave him that assurance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThen, after the new legislation was passed, the task for the Ministry of Justice officials and the negotiator was to marry into the new framework what had been contained in the original deed of settlement. So there won\u2019t be any legislation like this ever again, I shouldn\u2019t have thought, because all other matters are going to be dealt with under the marine and coastal Act 2011.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe only other iwi that came close to Ng\u0101ti Porou in relation to an agreement under the old foreshore and seabed legislation was Te Wh\u0101nau-a-Apanui, but they hadn\u2019t actually signed, and so they missed out. I hope, in the very near future, their rights can be determined under the marine and coastal Act, because I consider that that is one of those areas of New Zealand where there is plenty of customary title, but I don\u2019t want to pre-judge the situation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ESo how do we deal with this? The key to it is in Part 1, the preliminary provisions, clauses 6 and 7. What that does is say that the Ng\u0101ti Porou legislation, when passed, is going to apply to the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou instead of Parts 3 and 4 of the marine and coastal Act 2011\u2014Parts 3 and 4 deal with the customary interests that the Minister has referred to and various administrative and miscellaneous matters. So they will have no application to the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou, but it will be this legislation that deals with those matters. Any non-ratifying hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou will be entitled to rely on the processes under the marine and coastal Act 2011 until they decide\u2014as I hope they will\u2014to join up to the regime provided by this legislation. The second preliminary provision which is critical is that Part 2 of the marine and coastal Act will continue to apply, with a couple of minor amendments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ESo I endorse what the Minister has said. I\u2019m really pleased that we\u2019ve reached the stage where the legislation has been introduced, because it weighed heavily on me that for so many years every Order Paper that we had in this House had the Ng\u0101ti Porou legislation at the end. I think it was lower than even the Natural Health and Supplementary Products Bill, which sat there for the same number of years. So it\u2019s really good that this matter is now before the House. The National Party supports it and endorses what the Minister said\u2014that it should go to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee as quickly as possible.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve heard what the Minister has said about reviewing the marine and coastal Act. Look, it\u2019s settled law now. Applications have been filed. The last thing Parliament needs is to be revisiting the marine and coastal area Act, because, at the end of the day, everyone agreed that the foreshore and seabed legislation wasn\u2019t working. People needed to have their day in court, and uninvestigated customary title could be reviewed by applicants. So I actually think, notwithstanding what some neanderthals outside may think, that we\u2019re in a good space with this legislation, but Ng\u0101ti Porou deserve this special treatment because of their generosity of spirit in 2008.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u002252585b83f4cd4e118a05e7b6cdde8d8e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002252585b83f4cd4e118a05e7b6cdde8d8e\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, ka noho tonu ahau ki roto i te reo M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ETuku mauri ora ki te whei ao, ki te ao marama, tih\u0113wa mauri ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ETuatahi m\u0101ku e tautoko atu ana i te mihi whakatau ki a koutou e \u014Dku rangatira - Hikurangi Maunga, te maunga haramai, neke mai ki runga i t\u0113nei Whare o t\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ETuarua e tika ana ki roto i ng\u0101 tapuwae o te tupuna Api Mahuika i takahia ki runga i te awa o Taum\u0101rere m\u014D ng\u0101 mahi a te h\u0101h\u012B te take. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKa tautoko ahau i ng\u0101 whakamoemiti, i ng\u0101 inoi tonu ki te Kaihanga kia tiakina mai t\u0101tou katoa ki roto i te \u0101huatanga o t\u0113nei nohoanga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ETuarua, kia tiakina mai te haerenga o t\u0113nei pire. Kua k\u014Drero mai ng\u0101 minita o te Whare nei i te \u0101huatanga o t\u0113nei pire. Ko t\u014Dna whakapapa i t\u012Bmatahia i t\u0113r\u0101 atu tau, an\u0101, k\u014D atu i te tekau tau ki muri. I\u0101ianei n\u0101, \u0101, ka tae mai ki mua i te aroaro o te Whare, n\u014D reira ko te inoi tonu ki te Kaihanga kia tiakina t\u0113nei pire me \u014Dna ringaringa katoa ka tae atu ki t\u014Dna whakatutukitanga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u0100 ka tautoko tonu au i ng\u0101 tangi m\u014Dteatea atu ki te hunga mate. Kua wahaina mai te Whare i te t\u016B o te rangatira a Apirana Mahuika ki roto i ng\u0101 mahi nei. \u0100, ka tautoko ahau i t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 tangi m\u014Dteatea atu ki a ia me te tangi atu an\u014D hoki ki t\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 rangatira o te Whare ki roto i ng\u0101 tau kua pahure ake, ar\u0101, ko Parekura Horomia. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKo r\u0101tou katoa w\u0113nei t\u016B \u0101huatanga i whakaritea mai, ka taea e Ng\u0101ti Porou, otir\u0101, t\u0113nei Whare te \u0101ta k\u014Drero i ng\u0101 take o te w\u0101 n\u014D reira ko ng\u0101 maharatanga ki a r\u0101tou, haere, haere, haere. Ka whakahokia mai ng\u0101 r\u0101rangi k\u014Drero ki a t\u0101tou e \u014Dku rangatira - t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EE tautoko atu ana ahau i te k\u014Drero i t\u012Bmatahia e te Minita a Anaru Iti i mua i te aroaro o te Whare i te r\u0101 nei. Te tini o ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga kei roto i t\u0113nei pire. Ko \u0113tahi ka hopungia e au hei kaupapa k\u014Drero m\u0101ku i te r\u0101 nei, ko te w\u0101hanga ki ng\u0101 hap\u016B, ko te w\u0101hanga ki ng\u0101 ingoa M\u0101ori ka whakahokia, k\u0101hore, ehara i te mea whakahokia, k\u0101hore, engari ka whakamanangia e te ture ki roto i te rohe o Ng\u0101ti Porou. Tuatoru, ko te huarahi kei mua i ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou ki te mahi ng\u0101tahi me te Karauna m\u014D ng\u0101 take e p\u0101 ana ki te takutai moana, ki roto o Ng\u0101ti Porou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EHeoi an\u014D, ka hoki atu ahau ki taku take tuatahi ko t\u0113r\u0101 take, e p\u0101 ana ki ng\u0101 hap\u016B ki roto o Ng\u0101ti Porou. E harikoa ana au i a au e p\u0101nui ana i te pire nei m\u014D te \u0101huatanga ki ng\u0101 hap\u016B, ahakoa ko \u0113tahi kua mahue ki waho, ko te nuinga ka \u016B tonu mai ki te k\u014Dkiritanga o Ng\u0101ti Porou ki roto i te kaupapa nei. Kua roa rawa ng\u0101 hap\u016B, puta noa i te motu wh\u0101nui e hiahia ana kia kite mai te k\u0101wanatanga i w\u0101 r\u0101tou ake mana motuhake. Ka kite t\u0101tou katoa ki roto i t\u0113nei pire, \u0101e, ko Ng\u0101ti Porou wh\u0101nui te waka e k\u014Dkiri ai te kaupapa nei, engari kei ng\u0101 hap\u016B te mana motuhake o te w\u0101hanga ki a r\u0101tou, o te w\u0101hi ki a r\u0101tou, o \u0101 r\u0101tou ake takutai, o \u0101 r\u0101tou ake whenua. He mea m\u012Bharo t\u0113n\u0101, he mea m\u012Bharo t\u0113n\u0101. E m\u014Dhio ana au ko t\u0113nei pire, ehara i te mea ka tutuki ki raro i ng\u0101 take whakahaere o ng\u0101 tat\u016Bnga ker\u0113me e p\u0101 ana ki te Tiriti o Waitangi, engari m\u014D te pire hou e p\u0101 ana ki te takutai moana; engari ko t\u0101ku e hiahia ana ki roto i ng\u0101 mahi whakahaere o ng\u0101 pire tat\u016B i ng\u0101 ker\u0113me e p\u0101 ana ki te Tiriti o Waitangi, kia kite atu i te mana motuhake o ng\u0101 hap\u016B ki roto i ng\u0101 pire a taihoa ake nei. T\u0113n\u0101 pea kua tau a kaupapa ka tukuna atu ki \u014Dku ake ki roto o Ng\u0101puhi, k\u0101ti.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EE \u014Dku rangatira, ko te take tuarua e hiahia ana au te k\u014Drero i t\u0113nei w\u0101, an\u0101, ko te \u0101huatanga ki ng\u0101 w\u0101hi whenua ki roto i a Ng\u0101ti Porou ka whakamanahia ng\u0101 ingoa t\u016Bpuna ki runga i aua w\u0101hi. He mea m\u012Bharo t\u0113n\u0101, n\u0101 runga i te m\u014Dhio \u0101ianei ka whakanuia e Aotearoa wh\u0101nui te taenga mai a Kuki ki runga i te moutere o Aotearoa. N\u014D reira ko te pai i a t\u0101tou katoa e whakanui ana i te taenga mai o Kuki ki Aotearoa, \u0101, ka whakanuia an\u014D e t\u0101tou katoa ng\u0101 ingoa M\u0101ori, ng\u0101 ingoa t\u016Bturu i kitea e Kuki i te w\u0101 i a ia. He mea nui t\u0113n\u0101. Kia kaua t\u0101tou katoa e p\u014Dh\u0113h\u0113 ka tae mai a Kuki \u0101 he ingoa P\u0101keh\u0101 i t\u014Dna taenga mai. K\u0101hore. He mea nui t\u0113r\u0101 n\u0101 runga i te m\u014Dhio \u0101ianei t\u0101tou ka whakanuia te taenga mai o Kuki, ka whakamaumahara i tana taenga mai, n\u014D reira he mea m\u012Bharo te kite atu ki roto i te Tai R\u0101whiti, ana, ki roto o Ng\u0101ti Porou ka whakamanahia e te K\u0101wanatanga me t\u0113nei Whare ng\u0101 ingoa tupuna ki runga i ng\u0101 w\u0101hi whenua ki roto i a r\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKo te mea tuatoru, e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, ko te \u0101huatanga o t\u0113nei pire ki te whakarite i te mahere ka taea e ng\u0101 hap\u016B me Ng\u0101ti Porou wh\u0101nui ki te \u0101ta k\u014Drero ki te k\u0101wanatanga ka tahi, ki te kaunihera \u0101-rohe ka rua. He mea pai t\u0113n\u0101. He mea pai t\u0113n\u0101 kia kite atu i taua mahere ka whakaritea mai ki roto i te pire kia kaua t\u0113tahi e haukoti i te mahere, kia kaua t\u0113tahi e huri tuar\u0101 ki te whakaritenga ki roto i t\u0113nei pire. Mehemea ka kite t\u0101tou ki roto i t\u0113nei pire ka m\u014Dhio t\u0101tou katoa \u0101e, ki runga i ng\u0101 \u016Bpoko o ng\u0101 r\u014Dp\u016B e rua, ar\u0101, ko Ng\u0101ti Porou, ar\u0101, ko te K\u0101wanatanga, ko te kaunihera hoki te tikanga kia noho ng\u0101tahi, kia k\u014Drero ng\u0101tahi m\u014D ng\u0101 take e p\u0101 ana ki te takutai moana, he mea m\u012Bharo te kite atu ki roto i t\u0113nei pire, ehara i te mea hou, engari ka k\u012B atu ahau he mea m\u012Bharo n\u0101 runga i taku take tuatahi, an\u0101, ka taea e ng\u0101 hap\u016B te wahaina i w\u0101 r\u0101tou ake whakaaro, k\u014Drero m\u014D w\u0101 r\u0101tou ake w\u0101hi whenua ki roto o Ng\u0101ti Porou, he mea pai t\u0113n\u0101 ki a au nei.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EE te M\u0101ngai o te Whare; ko t\u0113tahi atu o ng\u0101 kaupapa nui i kite au ki roto i te pire nei, i whakaritea nei te pire i te mahere kia noho ng\u0101tahi ai a Ng\u0101ti Porou me \u014Dna hap\u016B me te k\u0101wanatanga me ng\u0101 kaunihera \u0101-rohe, ko t\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 mea pai i kite atu ahau i roto i te pire nei, an\u0101, ko te taha ki te m\u0101tauranga. Ko ng\u0101 pou o te m\u0101tauranga he mea nui t\u0113n\u0101 ki a au t\u0101 te mea pai te kite atu ki roto i te pire nei, engari ki te kore a Ng\u0101ti Porou me \u014Dna hap\u016B katoa e whakam\u0101rama atu ana ki te tini me te mano ki roto i w\u0101 r\u0101tou ake rohe m\u014D te \u0101huatanga o w\u0101 r\u0101tou mana motuhake, w\u0101 r\u0101tou w\u0101hi tapu, w\u0101 r\u0101tou tikanga, w\u0101 r\u0101tou ingoa t\u016Bpuna ki roto i a r\u0101tou, e, ka riro m\u0101 te iwi M\u0101ori ng\u0101 take katoa e h\u0101pai ki roto i ng\u0101 tau e t\u016B nei. He mea m\u012Bharo te kite atu ko t\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 wh\u0101inga kei roto ko te pou o te m\u0101tauranga. Te pou o te m\u0101tauranga, he mea nui t\u0113r\u0101. Kia kaua te k\u0101wanatanga me te iwi o Ng\u0101ti Porou me \u014Dna hap\u016B katoa e p\u014Dh\u0113h\u0113 ana kei a r\u0101tou katoa anake te \u0101p\u014Dp\u014Dtanga m\u014D ng\u0101 mahi i whakaritea nei e te pire. K\u0101hore. Me whakam\u014Dhio atu ki te tini me te mano ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga me ng\u0101 mahi katoa kei mua i te aroaro o Ng\u0101ti Porou me \u014Dna hap\u016B katoa, \u0101, me Aotearoa wh\u0101nui.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EHei mea whakakapi ake e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, t\u0101 te mea i k\u012B mai te H\u014Dnore a Christopher Finlayson i k\u012B mai ia ki roto i te pire tawhito o te Takutai Moana ka k\u012B nei ka aukatingia te w\u0101hanga ki te hunga ka whai tono ki taua ture, ki raro i te mana o taua ture, ka whakaritea mai i t\u0113tahi ture hou, ar\u0101, ko te Marine and Coastal Act t\u0113r\u0101. E hiahia ana au kia kite atu i te tini o ng\u0101 iwi ka tono mai ki raro i te ture hou, \u0101, me kaua e takaroa te mahi o t\u0113nei Whare, ka taea e ng\u0101 iwi ki roto i ng\u0101 tau e t\u016B nei te mutu wawe i w\u0101 r\u0101tou ker\u0113me m\u014D te take nei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKa nui t\u0113nei m\u0101ku. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker, I will stay in M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWe launch in to the world of light, the world of enlightenment, behold there is life! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EFirstly, I endorse the words of welcome to you my distinguished leaders\u2014Mount Hikurangi, welcome, welcome to this House, which belongs to us all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ESecondly, it is fitting that I follow in the footsteps of the revered Api Mahuika, who meandered the Taum\u0101rere River doing work for the church. I echo the prayerful supplications to the Creator to watch over us all during the deliberations of this session; as well, that He watch over the passage of this bill. Ministers of this House have spoken at length about this bill. Its beginnings can be traced years back, indeed more than 10 years. It is now before the House, and I once again implore the Creator to watch over this bill and all who contributed to it up to this point. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI also pay my respects to our dearly departed. The House has recognised Apirana Mahuika\u2019s role in these endeavours. I therefore add my venerations to his memory and to the memory of another leader in this House in his time: Parekura Horomia. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThey all prepared the way for this, that Ng\u0101ti Porou and indeed this House, are able to duly consider important matters of the day, and so we fondly remember and farewell them. Ladies and gentlemen let me bring this speech back to us. Greetings to you all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI support what Minister Andrew Little said to the House earlier today. There are many aspects to this bill. I wish to refer to some of them in my speech today, namely the references to hap\u016B, and M\u0101ori names that have been resurrected; no, not resurrected, names in Ng\u0101ti Porou territory which will be given statutory recognition; thirdly, the road that is ahead for the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou to work collaboratively with the Crown in matters foreshore and seabed within Ng\u0101ti Porou boundaries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ESo let me go back to my first subject, and that is the matter of hap\u016B within Ng\u0101ti Porou. I am very pleased to read in this bill the functions sitting with hap\u016B. Even though some have been left behind, the majority have been kept as Ng\u0101ti Porou progresses this matter. For a long time now, hap\u016B around the country have longed for the Government to accept their independence. We can all see in this bill that while Ng\u0101ti Porou at large is the vehicle being used to advance this matter, each hap\u016B can exercise its own independent authority over their boundaries, over their foreshore, over their land. That is wonderful. I am aware that this bill will not be accomplished via the Treaty of Waitangi claims process, but by instead via the new bill relating to the foreshore and seabed. However, what I would like to see in claims under the Treaty of Waitangi, is that future bills will ensure that hap\u016B do retain their independence. Who knows\u2014when this comes to fruition perhaps I should make it available to my Ng\u0101puhi people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ELadies and gentlemen, the second matter I wish to bring to your attention today is that which pertains to places within Ng\u0101ti Porou, the ancestral names of which will be recognised. I am pleased about that, particularly since New Zealand is shortly to celebrate the arrival of Captain Cook to these shores. It is good for us all, that while we are celebrating the arrival of Captain Cook to New Zealand, we are also celebrating the original place names that were used when he got here. This is important. Let us not tell ourselves that on arrival Captain Cook found that places had English names. No. It is therefore important, knowing that commemoration celebrations for Captain Cook are about to take place, that on the East Coast, within Ng\u0101ti Porou, ancestral place names will receive statutory recognition by the Government, by this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThe third matter which I wish to raise is the proposal within this bill to accept that hap\u016B as well as Ng\u0101ti Porou at large are able to have discussions with the Government in the first instance, and with local councils in the second. This is a good thing. This is good because this bill means that such provisions cannot be avoided or ignored. When we look at this bill, we can certainly see that the responsibility lies with both sides\u2014that is, with Ng\u0101ti Porou and with the Government both national and local, to collaborate, to have genuine dialogue concerning the foreshore and seabed. It is wonderful to see this in the bill; while it is not new, what makes it commendable relates to my first point, and that is that hap\u016B are able to articulate their own land issues within Ng\u0101ti Porou, and that, in my view, is good.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI believe that one of the important aspects of this bill, which requires Ng\u0101ti Porou and its hap\u016B, along with the national and local government bodies to collaborate, one of its important features, relates to education. The education provisions are important in my opinion because while it is good to see these things in this bill, if all Ng\u0101ti Porou hap\u016B do not educate the masses within their boundaries about those things which give them their special identity and independence such as their sacred sites, their customs, their ancestral names, it will be left to M\u0101ori generally to exercise that responsibility in the future. Therefore, it is very pleasing to see that one of the objectives herein relates to education. It is important. Let us not delude ourselves that only the Government, Ng\u0101ti Porou and its hap\u016B have a future stake in the provisions of this bill. Not at all. The matters raised here before Ng\u0101ti Porou, its hap\u016B and wider New Zealand ought to be shared with the masses.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EFinally, the Hon Christopher Finlayson, in his contention that application for ownership rights to the foreshore and seabed were extinguished in the former Foreshore and Seabed Act, established a new law, the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act. I would like to see tribes make application under that new Act, and for this House to deal promptly with such applications, so that tribes in coming years can have their claims swiftly dealt with. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EEnough from me. Greetings to all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022c22fb6c805754049a32d3401370e89c8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c22fb6c805754049a32d3401370e89c8\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY (National\u2014East Coast):\u003C/span\u003E E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 iwi o Ng\u0101ti Porou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. It\u2019s an absolute pleasure for me to stand and speak in the House. As Deputy Speaker it doesn\u2019t happen very often, because you\u2019re the person of Parliament and you cannot preside over a bill that you are involved in. So it\u2019s only on very special occasions that I get the opportunity to speak, and today is one of those very special occasions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EWhen M\u0101ui first hauled up the North Island from the oceans, the first to emerge was the point of Mt Hikurangi, the sacred icon for Ng\u0101ti Porou. It represents for them their independence, and it represents for them their unity, and, of course, M\u0101ui is fundamental to Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2019s history because he binds them to the beginning of human existence and to their rohe. And I want to acknowledge, today, the significance of that history.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EI want start by paying tribute to a great Ng\u0101ti Porou leader and a great parliamentarian, Sir Apirana Ngata, whose words continue to echo around these halls so many years later. I also want to pay tribute to Apirana Mahuika\u2014Uncle Api as we all knew him. He was another great leader for New Zealand, but more particularly for Ng\u0101ti Porou and for Tai R\u0101whiti as a whole, and it was an absolute privilege to know him. He began the journey that we are legitimising here today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EI also want to acknowledge the Hon Parekura Horomira who faced some pretty difficult times from his own people, but at all times showed leadership and a desire for the very best for Ng\u0101ti Porou to have their rights acknowledged. Can I acknowledge Te R\u016Bnanganui o Ng\u0101ti Porou chairman Selwyn Parata and the other senior Ng\u0101ti Porou leaders that have travelled here today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThe homeland of Ng\u0101ti Porou is the most easterly region of the North Island, and its boundaries are set in Te Runanga o Ng\u0101ti Porou Act 1987. It\u2019s mountainous, with the Rauk\u016Bmara Range; it\u2019s hilly, and those hills are covered with forestry and with m\u0101nuka producing some of the best honey in the country\u2014probably in the world, Ng\u0101ti Porou would claim; and there is sheep and beef farming, and, of course, Whangar\u0101 B5 wins prizes year after year after year for high-quality farming. It has a magnificent coastline that is blessed with abundant kai, well looked after by Ng\u0101ti Porou, but its greatest asset, of course, is, in Sir Apirana Ngata\u2019s words, \u201CHe tangata, he tangata, he tangata.\u201D I\u2019d also add on to that probably Ng\u0101ti Porou women, who are known to be independent, forthright, highly effective leaders\u2014and, of course, here in the National Party we\u2019ve experienced one of those for quite some time, and she\u2019s greatly missed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EWe\u2019re here today, at last, to legislate recognition of Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2019s customary title and rights over the foreshore and seabed along the coastland of their rohe. It\u2019s been a long journey to get here, and that\u2019s been outlined by both Minister Little and my colleague the Hon Chris Finlayson. The National-led Government inherited the foreshore and seabed legislation that caused such dissension among both M\u0101ori and P\u0101keh\u0101, and it is a tribute to many on the Labour benches who have acknowledged that they got that wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EBut Uncle Api had negotiated a deal with the Labour Government because of his desire to have that long history recognised and those rights bestowed upon Ng\u0101ti Porou. Then he courageously\u2014let\u2019s not overlook the courage it took and the generosity of spirit\u2014set that to one side and agreed to wait whilst the incoming National Government replaced that piece of legislation with the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act, which would then allow the bill we are debating here today. I\u2019m not going to go through all the details of that, because that\u2019s long been talked about and negotiated, and there\u2019ll be many, many more hours negotiating those\u2014I have no doubt. But it does confer all the rights that deserve to go with customary title, and it devolves the responsibilities of allowing the public access to parts of that coastline.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003ENow, we all know that there will be all sorts of fears and assumptions made about the worst things that can happen, and I\u2019ve already got people coming into my office saying, \u201CWe won\u2019t be allowed to swim and we won\u2019t be allowed to fish.\u201D, and all these things. We know we\u2019re going to have that, and we know that there is going to be some dissension even with Ng\u0101ti Porou, but we will persevere. We will get through. Gisborne people know and respect Ng\u0101ti Porou, and we will sensibly reject outside interference. The history supports that confidence. The Crown and Ng\u0101ti Porou over the years have had a pretty positive relationship, and I know that that will continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EEven if you look at recent history, in 2015 the Gisborne District Council signed an agreement with Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2014the joint management agreement over the Waiap\u016B catchment. The Waiap\u016B River is of not quite but almost as great a significance to Ng\u0101ti Porou as Hikurangi. That agreement gave Ng\u0101ti Porou, along with the Gisborne District Council, the ability to jointly perform or exercise any of the local authority\u2019s powers, functions, or duties\u2014so that sharing of decision making over a natural resource in order to get better outcomes for all our people and for the environment. Again, into my office, I have people saying, \u201CThis was terrible.\u201D and \u201CHow could this happen?\u201D Well, actually, the sky hasn\u2019t fallen. The rivers are still running. The people are still there. The mountains are still there. Life goes on, but it goes on in a better way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EAnd then, just last month, Ng\u0101ti Porou and Air New Zealand signed an agreement\u2014a partnership agreement to generate economic growth for the whole of Tai R\u0101whiti, not just for Ng\u0101ti Porou. I note the people that have come down today\u2014I hope you wrote into the bottom of that \u201Cmore air flights between Gisborne and Wellington\u201D. It would be really, really helpful. But that is the status and the trust and the confidence of the Crown, of Government, with Ng\u0101ti Porou. So I want to congratulate all those who have been responsible for getting this new mandate and the legislation to this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003ESomeone said there\u2019s a time and place for everything; well, this is now the time. This is now the time to recognise, as I said at the outset, that Ng\u0101ti Porou, through M\u0101ui, are bound to this rohe. They have lived and loved, they have toiled and rested, they\u2019ve fished and hunted along those shores, uninterrupted\u2014well, you know, actually, some of us have gone there intermittently because we also love that coastline and want to go and visit it from time to time. But Ng\u0101ti Porou have lived there, have established themselves in that part of the world, and it is time to recognise that in law, with all the rights and all the responsibilities that go with that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019m delighted to support this first reading of Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2), and I commend it to the House. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u0022524600e4bb464585b7fbb8aa3f5277cd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022524600e4bb464585b7fbb8aa3f5277cd\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Minister of Forestry):\u003C/span\u003E Hei t\u012Bmata m\u0101ku, hei k\u014Drerotanga m\u0101ku i te tuatahi, me reo M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EHikurangi maunga, Waiap\u016B awa, Ng\u0101ti Porou t\u0101ngata, t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D koutou katoa i hoki mai ki roto i te Whare nei, i whakak\u014Drerotia ai e t\u014D m\u0101tou hoa, e t\u0101 koutou tamaiti, t\u014D koutou rangatira a Parekura - n\u014Dn\u0101 e matomato ana. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou hoki i te \u0101huatanga o te kaumatua, tana ingoa e whakahuatia nuitia ana i waenga tonu i ng\u0101 kait\u014Drangap\u016B me koutou ng\u0101 karere, koutou ng\u0101 kanohi mai i a Ng\u0101ti Porou, ar\u0101, ko Apirana Mahuika, me te tinitini atu i tautoko i a ia ahakoa, ko Te Kapunga t\u0113tahi. N\u0101 reira t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[By way of introduction, I shall begin my speech in M\u0101ori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EMount Hikurangi, the Waiap\u016B River, and the people of Ng\u0101ti Porou, I bid you warm greetings, and welcome you back to this House where speeches were made by our colleague, your son, your leader\u2014Parekura\u2014who is no longer with us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EWe must also pay tribute to that distinguished elder whose name has been cited often among politicians, and you the press, as well as by Ng\u0101ti Porou representatives; we are talking about Apirana Mahuika and his many supporters, of whom Te Kapunga was one. Greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI have acknowledged the manuhiri to Wellington\u2014but not strangers to this Parliament, because this is the people\u2019s House. Indeed, the most formidable of all our M\u0101ori parliamentarians, one of the longest-serving parliamentarians in our history, the great Sir Apirana Ngata and, more recently, Parekura Horomia, are the proud sons of Ng\u0101ti Porou. Their deeds, their words, their stories, and their contributions are still acknowledged as we\u2014in particular, the M\u0101ori members of the House\u2014speak about our parliamentary M\u0101ori political heritage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI have acknowledged, along with the other speakers, Apirana Mahuika, who, for a period of time, was an Anglican priest in Ng\u0101puhi. I should tell the story which is related to the heritage which this bill is designed to uphold: the heritage of the Ng\u0101ti Porou people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThe Ng\u0101ti Porou people, in the 1830s, sent\u2014to my historical memory\u2014two chiefs, led by Te Rangi Whakatamatama and, I think, Te Rukuata to the Ng\u0101puhi people and they sought out some of their warriors that had gone north after the Musket Wars. One of those warriors was Taumatakura, and he, along with Williams, was taken back down, along with these chiefs, to the Waiap\u016B awa and to the coast of Ng\u0101ti Porou, and was reunited with his people. He followed the ancestral footsteps of his tapairu whaea, of his aunt Rangipaia, who during the Musket Wars had disappeared north with Kelvin Davis\u2019s tupuna P\u014Dmare. Not satisfied with his indigenous name, P\u014Dmare from Ng\u0101puhi, he stole the name of the Tahitian king. That is the origin of the name P\u014Dmare.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThen P\u014Dmare, seeing the error of his ways, sought to reunite on the coast of Ng\u0101ti Porou, on the takutai moana. After the battles of Whakawhitir\u0101 and other such places, the woman Rangipaia and he dispatched a famous Ng\u0101puhi warrior called Te Taotaoriri. That kaum\u0101tua went, musket on his back, modest loincloth, into the Ng\u0101ti Porou, and his life was saved by their chief, Uenuku, who, after having listened to his k\u014Drero, ended up enabling Te Taotaoriri to make the peace between my t\u016Bpunas and that part of Ng\u0101ti Porou. So when these people talk about their ancestral heritage and the fact that they\u2019ve been able to retain the ownership of their land, partly through that great parliamentarian Sir Apirana Ngata but also choices they made themselves, theirs is a genuinely deep, rich, indigenous history.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ESo we do support this bill going to the select committee, and we most certainly look forward to the submissions from the select committee process, but it\u2019s important that we offer some testimony as to the values, the affection, and the heritage that lies behind the efforts to bring this bill to its current point.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ENow, we\u2019ve said in M\u0101ori that a host of people have passed on. There was a great leader of the East Coast, Tamahau Mahupuku. Tamahau Mahupuku was more Kahungunu than Ng\u0101ti Porou, but his point was: kua r\u016Bpeke atu r\u0101tou ki te p\u014D, engari ko te whakatutukitanga ka p\u016Brero tonu, ka p\u016Brero tonu. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[they may have departed this world, but their aspirations just keep on being to the forefront.] which means, \u201CAlthough the men and women we refer to have passed on, the fulfilment of their dreams and aspirations bubbles up with each generation.\u201D I think that\u2019s a fitting description for the House to acknowledge, in both our languages, about each generation making a contribution to, really, the nation\u2019s narrative as to how we strike a balance that respects the indigeneity, the history, and the ancestry but also deals with the reality of modern New Zealand society. So we support this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI note that parts of the takutai moana rohe are not covered by this bill. In an earlier and richer life, I was the chairman of the M\u0101ori Fisheries Commission. During my period of time there, I suffered verbal taunts from famous Ng\u0101ti Porou leaders Api Mahuika and Koro Dewes. They were both scholars in their own right, but I recall them saying to the M\u0101ori Fisheries Commission that the strength of the East Coast\u2014the Tai R\u0101whiti, the Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2014lay in us treating it as one big block. That\u2019s one of the proudest things in my political life as a politician outside of politics\u2014parliamentary politics\u2014the leadership displayed by the tribe at that time has continued on with this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI happen to think that the high tide of discontent has passed. I happen to think that M\u0101ori and P\u0101keh\u0101 have bigger challenges to face than scratching at each at each other, when one considers the changing nature of our demography and the pressures upon our population with its traditional binary narrative of a replica of Queen Victoria and the M\u0101ori rangatira. This bill, amongst other things, entrenches in law a genuinely held belief about rights, identity, and place. Those particular qualities, key to our identity, are going to grow as we face growing levels of immigration, with people struggling to find a better place for their lives, but when they come here they must accept that our nation was founded on a binary narrative through the pioneer spirit and the contributions of spirituality, land, resource, and sacrifice by the M\u0101ori tribes. Around this House, these laurels are a fitting reminder that those are the foundation values of New Zealand. So for the people who feared the development of a piece of legislation affirming the connections of the Ng\u0101ti Porou, their fears, as we go forward, will not be found, in my view, to be grounded in genuine trepidation. It\u2019s a passing phase, but for those of us who are the leaders of M\u0101oridom and the leaders of New Zealand in this House, we must always uphold the foundation values that give us our essential identity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI passed through Ng\u0101ti Porou recently. I think I might have made a vague promise to build them a honey factory. I can assure you, until they unite as one honey group, hani to hani, they\u2019ll be in a long list of people waiting. But I had a cup of tea at \u016Aawa\u2014Tolaga Bay\u2014and on behalf of all of you parliamentarians I made a small courtesy aroha visit to the Kohim\u0101rama urup\u0101, where our friend Parekura Horomia was interred. I\u2019m also conscious that my colleague Mr Ron Mark spent Anzac Day in that Ng\u0101ti Porou rohe. Of course, there is also a little bit of debate about genealogy as to how far Ng\u0101ti Porou is Ng\u0101ti Porou, and all the rest of it. Being a diplomatic Ng\u0101puhi, that\u2019s someone else\u2019s problem, but it was a pleasure to go to Tolaga Bay and I\u2019m sure it meant a lot for those people to acknowledge and receive Mr Ron Mark on that most important day of our calendar, Anzac Day. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022 data-id=\u00222cc640ea0feb47d395cb8e3a5c56cb5b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222cc640ea0feb47d395cb8e3a5c56cb5b\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG (National\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, sir. E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 hau e wh\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Can I just say thank you to the previous speaker. There are occasions when listening to him is helpful and I certainly appreciated his comments and insights into the challenges that we face as a nation. Perhaps in time he will speak fondly of the slings and arrows that come from the National Party, as he did so admirably say regarding Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2019s leadership.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EHere we are in a momentous point in time as we look at the first reading of the Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2). I\u2019m very happy to stand in support of this, from the National Party\u2019s benches, and to acknowledge the Hon Chris Finlayson for the outstanding work he has led, over close to near a decade. I acknowledge also the Hon Andrew Little and the work he has continued on. Indeed these pieces of legislation are more than just words on paper. They are history, they are the story, they are the mana of the people of Ng\u0101ti Porou, and, as the Hon Shane Jones mentioned, this is very important in terms of going forward for the success of people in Aotearoa New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EWe need to look at the future together and with unified thinking towards the strong challenges that face us. As this bill progresses through Parliament and through the select committee process, I am just acknowledging my colleague the Hon Anne Tolley. What she says is so important: that New Zealanders do not see this as something which they react against but that they support, because they are supporting the tangata whenua, the people who this bill speaks of in terms of their connection to their rohe and how important that is for their mana and their future and their sense of well-being and progress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EThere is a tremendous amount of detail in this bill, but can I say from the far shores of Taranaki that we wish you every success in this, and we wish the speedy progress of this bill. It has been some time, and we indeed hope that we can be here to celebrate on the third and final reading of this and see the great celebration that you look for in terms of the sense of mana, as I said, and well-being of your people. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u00224ce8cf59e26b435f935256ed4ecc7a3e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224ce8cf59e26b435f935256ed4ecc7a3e\u0022\u003EMARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u016B ana t\u0113nei uri, t\u0113nei k\u014Diwi o te Tai R\u0101whiti, o te maunga Whet\u016Bmatarau, o te maunga Hikurangi tonu, o te awa Waiap\u016B, o ng\u0101 marae o Hinerupe, o ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Hinerupe, te wh\u0101nau a Hinerupe, te wh\u0101nau a T\u0101puhi hoki, n\u014D reira, mihi h\u014Dnore ki a koutou \u014Dku whanaunga o Ng\u0101ti Porou, o te Tai R\u0101whiti. Nau mai, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora mai t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E[Before you stands this descendant, these bones of the East Coast, of Mount Whet\u016Bmatarau, indeed of Mount Hikurangi, of the Waiap\u016B River, of Hinerupe Marae, of Hinerupe, subtribes, of the Hinerupe and T\u0101puhi wider kinship groups, and I am honoured to greet you, my relatives from Ng\u0101ti Porou, from the East Coast. Welcome to you all, greetings to all who are here.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI have a mum who is my Ng\u0101ti Porou side who lives in Ruat\u014Dria and who has lived there for many years\u2014a couple of decades at least. Like many Ng\u0101ti Porou, she was born and raised in Wellington, but she has had the privilege of moving back to the coast to our t\u016Brangawaewae, and so as an urban M\u0101ori I have often sent my young children back to my mother when I\u2019ve had some busy work or some busy projects. I\u2019ve sent them down there to give me a hand so I can do what I need to do as a mama, and they\u2019ve been very young when they\u2019ve been down there and spent lots of time\u2014all of my children have spent lots of time living there. I\u2019ve been able to spend some time living there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EOne of the stories I remember today goes to the core of what this legislation, Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2), is trying to do in protecting the customary rights of Ng\u0101ti Porou and ng\u0101 hap\u016B over their moana\u2014essentially, upholding mana moana for ng\u0101 rohe o Ng\u0101ti Porou and ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou. When I\u2019d often send my young children down there, they\u2019d be there for months, actually. They\u2019d become very accustomed for that time to the way of life in Ng\u0101ti Porou, in Ruat\u014Dria, and Tararua, Hicks Bay. Then I\u2019d go to ask them something in Auckland, back in their urban setting environment, rushing out the door like we do when we are urban dwelling with young children and trying to get breakfast down them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI remember they came back from being months in Ruat\u014Dria and I sat them down at the breakfast table, opened the cupboards with all of the flash cereals that we have\u2014all of those flash sugar cereals that are there, that are convenience foods that are in our kai cupboards. I said, \u201CWhich one of these do you want for breakfast?\u201D They both looked at me\u2014they were probably three and four, and they both looked at me blank in the face and asked for crayfish. And they were serious, because that\u2019s what they had been having for breakfast every morning in Ruat\u014Dria and that\u2019s what they expected from the kai cupboard in Auckland, in Manurewa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EThat goes to the heart of a lot of what this legislation is wanting to uphold\u2014the customary and protection rights of ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou over their moana, and it is the connection, literally for our mokopuna to know who they are by how that kai k\u0101pata has fed them and how that doesn\u2019t just feed their tinana but it feeds their wairua and it feeds their whakapapa connection to who they are. That was the first story that came to mind as I was trying to get to the core of what this bill is actually about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI absolutely want to honour Papa Api Mahuika for his vision when he felt that things were going to go awry with the foreshore legislation, and I will again say that part of the reason why I\u2019m with the Green Party is because we have always held strong to our political position of upholding customary rights for hap\u016B and kaitiaki rights for hap\u016B. So that\u2019s why we opposed that legislation and Papa Api felt that it was going to need some work to actually protect what was looking threatened\u2014the ability to maintain those kaitiaki responsibilities over moana. So he did some visionary work. He led some visionary work around the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou to get this legislation put into place. And then, of course, the marine and coastal area legislation came in and my understanding is that that is the legislation for other iwi to have similar interests upheld, and so Papa Api is always first to the line\u2014that\u2019s so him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI also absolutely have to acknowledge Papa Parekura as well, simply also because it is a lot to do with him that I stand here at as a servant in this House for our people. So I mihi to our t\u016Bpuna of Ng\u0101ti Porou and our wh\u0101nau of Ng\u0101ti Porou, and very proudly, as Ng\u0101ti Porou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI did want to mention that it appears that 47 of the 49 hap\u016B have signed the amendments to the Ng\u0101ti Porou foreshore and seabed deed of agreement from 2008. I want to pick up where other members have mentioned those hap\u016B who may be seeking other pathways. I wish them the best also in maintaining their kaitiaki and customary rights over their moana. I think that includes Te Wh\u0101nau a Te Ao and Te Wh\u0101nau a Rua. And on that, I just went into schedule 2 of the actual bill. It was quite neat going in to find my particular hap\u016B. The schedule looks at the management arrangements for particular area rohe of Ng\u0101ti Porou, and so in Part 1 Te Wh\u0101nau a Hinerupe, which is one of my hap\u016B, are a part of the area of P\u014Dtikirua to Whangaokeno in the bill. Then Te Wh\u0101nau a Tapuhi, one of my other hap\u016B, are in the details of management arrangement for the area, for the rohe of Whangaokeno to Onepoto.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003ESo I look forward to receiving this legislation in the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, where I\u2019m deputy chair, and hearing the hap\u016B and the rohe and the moana rohe that I know of intimately and am connected to intimately. I think it\u2019s important to uphold the vision of this good work as well, because it attempts to entrench and protect the mana moana a little bit better than what it was looking like before Ng\u0101ti Porou were able to negotiate this deed. It establishes customary title and future customary title rights to exercise those permission rights over those rohe, and so I was pleased to see that those resource consents will require consent of the hap\u016B before the council even has jurisdiction to consider them, which I think is right. The work of upholding those kaitiaki rights has never stopped and has always continued, and it will continue. But this legislation assists with some funding to help set up the management, and also has further legal rights to further entrench those kaitiaki and customary rights.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003ESo, again, I think it is right to acknowledge the whanaunga o Matanuku Mahuika for driving this legislation on behalf of those hap\u016B. It\u2019s his story of addressing some of the fears that we all know came through initially\u2014including from the original foreshore legislation background to this\u2014about iwi and hap\u016B going to block off beaches and access. I pick up the example that Matanuku talked about, which is where, yes, those are discretionary powers\u2014for example, r\u0101hui to protect the sustainability of kai moana stocks, and with Mount Hikurangi, Ng\u0101ti Porou has the ability to close the mountain for up to 50 days, but at the most, it might be one or two days, and it is always for protecting that rohe, for protecting the maunga for the benefit of everybody. Those are the discussions and conversations that I look forward to all of us in the House leading, and using our profile and platforms to uphold the understanding that upholding mana moana for hap\u016B and iwi all over Aotearoa is for the benefit of all of us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003ESo, as I close, there was another\u2014oh, yeah. I\u2019ll close with another story\u201430 seconds. Many, many, many years ago, my dad was asked to speak at one of the prize-givings at the Te Araroa school, and one of the reasons he loved speaking up the Coast was because of the koha. He would literally receive big chiller boxes of kai moana as his koha for speaking on the East Coast, and then he would bring it back to Auckland and skite about what he had for all of us. That\u2019s what this bill is all about. Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022 data-id=\u0022a45eaa02b3a744b8b08f503bcb9f6e4a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a45eaa02b3a744b8b08f503bcb9f6e4a\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E E Te Mana Whakaw\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou e huihui mai nei i t\u0113nei ahiahi. E mihi ana ki a koutou ng\u0101 uri, ng\u0101 mana whenua, ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou kua tae mai nei i roto i ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga o t\u0113nei whare, te Whare M\u012Bere, te Whare P\u0101remata. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E[Madam Assistant Speaker, I offer greetings to all who are gathered here this afternoon. I acknowledge you the descendants, the inheritors of the land, indeed the tribes of Ng\u0101ti Porou who have descended upon this house, the Beehive, the House of Parliament. Greetings to one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EListening to those who have spoken in the House before me, I reference the Hon Andrew Little, where he spoke about this being the beginning of a new era.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EMay I just take us on a journey back some 14 years and four days ago, to 4 May 2004. That is a day that\u2019s etched very vividly in my mind, when I joined some 15,000 other M\u0101ori and New Zealanders who gathered here and walked on to the grounds of Parliament in protest at proposed legislation by the Government of the day. I travelled from Whanganui with my husband and my p\u014Dtiki\u2014my youngest\u2014and we joined with the many others. That march was led at the time by Dr Pita Sharples, and many of us here in the House today were part of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI reflect on that, coming from Whanganui. I acknowledge you, Ng\u0101ti Porou, for we have been on a very enduring passage and journey with Te Awa Tupua, our Whanganui River settlement. Dame Tariana Turia, whanaunga of Ng\u0101ti Apa and also of Whanganui, has been part of that journey, but she\u2019s also been part of your journey for the time and the years of service she was a member of Parliament and Minister, formerly, with the Labour Party. She crossed the floor in protest, and that was the precursor to the journey and the passage of those waters traversed here today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThis is the first stage. This is the first reading of the legislation that is yours, and I stand as a servant of our community. However, I stand as uri of Whanganui, I stand as the member of Parliament representing Whanganui, and I also stand and speak as a member privileged to serve on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EAroha mai, I apologise for not being present at the p\u014Dwhiri for you here today. I was in service on another select committee, and it was interesting, over the passage of time, how our relationships traversed these waters. One of the submitters to the select committee this morning was a former law professor and lecturer of mine, and she exposed my mind and my intellect to the importance of M\u0101ori customary rights and interests as my former M\u0101ori land law lecturer\u2014Professor Jane Kelsey. As I look up at you, also I acknowledge those who have gone before those of you who are here today. I hark and reflect upon the time when I was a younger woman working in the Department of M\u0101ori Affairs here in Wellington, under the leadership of Dr T\u0101mati Reedy and, of course, Dame Iritana T\u0101whiwhirangi, who were very much mentors and shapers of my thinking and my passage and journey in life, and here I stand today, having the privilege of addressing the House and ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Porou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ENow I turn to speak about the importance and significance of this bill, as you know, because you have carried and borne this. Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2) is, I understand, the direct consequence of that that I spoke about in terms of a former Government\u2019s policy which attempted to deny M\u0101ori customary rights. The progression of time now sees us where this bill proposed will seek to contribute to the legal expression, protection, and in recognition of the continued exercise of mana by ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou. It has never been in question. You have never questioned it, although there have been attempts in Governments of days gone by to remove that right. This bill, once passed into law, will seek to entrench and formalise that under legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EYou know your history. You know your whakapapa. It\u2019s not for me to go over that with you. But I stand here very privileged to acknowledge you and also I acknowledge the Hon Christopher Finlayson, who addressed the House and also all of you first, as a senior colleague of mine who has been dedicated and committed, as a National Party MP and also former Minister, in the progression of Treaty settlements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI also acknowledge the Hon Andrew Little. I did not know about, until the Hon Christopher Finlayson shared in the House, the courage and the fortitude that he took in his stance to stand against his Government at that time. I believed that Dame Tariana Turia was the only one, but I do acknowledge the Minister for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI look at time and it does pass quickly when we\u2019re standing here speaking in the House, but it doesn\u2019t when you\u2019re waiting all those years to come here to witness and to hear what we have to say. But, more importantly, it is about this House listening to you. As a member who will be presiding with colleagues on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, we will be listening further in examining but also, having perused the bill, in supporting what has been arrived at.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI just will traverse very quickly. The history is known. It is on the record, and when we come to the second and the third readings of this bill, into law, there will be more detail about the roles, but the focus is forward and into the future. I hark upon the time and the experience working as a younger woman here. I always pondered why there was such a strong presence of Ng\u0101ti Porou through our public service and sector. I know, because you had the vision, you had the strength, you had the knowledge, you invested in your young people, many of whom are not so young but certainly experienced and have gathered on the wisdom of those who are here and have gone before.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI look in closing, in addressing the House, by commending this bill to the next stage of select committee and I say that the National-led Government, under which this bill was moved forward, has made great progress completing final and durable settlements of Treaty of Waitangi claims, and your bill is one of those. Your entrenched customary M\u0101ori rights will be enforced in this bill. I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022 data-id=\u00221e011d8543584b82a07fd2890ccc86ff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221e011d8543584b82a07fd2890ccc86ff\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Kia ora. Just before I call the next member, I do want to commend the member for your speech, but I do need to remind you to address the chair\u2014address the gallery. [Member stands] It\u2019s fine; you can sit. I know that in further speeches that you will make better attempts to do so, but thank you very much. I call Kiritapu Allan. I understand this is a split call. You have five minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022 data-id=\u0022bf5cd2f207db439087a82de6f501259a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bf5cd2f207db439087a82de6f501259a\u0022\u003EKIRITAPU ALLAN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Kei Te M\u0101ngai, ka huri ahau ki te mihi atu ki ng\u0101 uri o ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou i waenganui i t\u0113nei whare, \u0101 t\u0101atou nei Whare o P\u0101remata; \u0101, kei a koutou e \u014Dku nei rangatira, tino roa te ara o t\u0113nei pire i waenganui i t\u0113nei Whare, otir\u0101, kei a koutou \u0101 t\u0101tou nei pukumahi i t\u0113nei ahiahi tino whakahirahira ki a koutou, otir\u0101 ki a m\u0101tou mai i t\u0113nei taha, o t\u0113r\u0101 taha. Kei te mihi ki a koutou, \u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003E[I turn to acknowledge the descendants of the Ng\u0101ti Porou tribes amongst this House, our House of Parliament; to you my leaders, this bill has had a long road through this House. However, you have our undivided attention on this very important afternoon for you and for us on both sides of the House. Greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003EI\u2019m the ninth speaker, so I\u2019m only going to reiterate what everybody else has said already. I don\u2019t want to bore you too much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2c3d0ad7f014dc3929f50a07943ba10\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sure I won\u2019t be bored.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229816f73f62874e3f8a7ac1d17f433a1f\u0022\u003EKIRITAPU ALLAN\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sure you won\u2019t be, Madam Assistant Speaker, because I\u2019m going to make it entertaining. I do want to acknowledge the remarks of both the Minister of Waitangi Negotiations, Andrew Little, and his former counterpart, the Hon Christopher Finlayson. This bill has had a long journey. It has lived its life through three different Government administrations. There have been many people who have passed through the course of that period, most of whom have been acknowledged today, but it would be remiss if I didn\u2019t also acknowledge the aspirations, the leadership, of the boy from Tikitiki and the esteemed rangatira Apirana Mahuika.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003EI cast back my memory to those times in 2004. I was a young fulla and had dreadlocks and was protesting outside too, I think, at that time. But I think of the leadership of those, too, of your iwi o Ng\u0101ti Porou in this House, the Hon Parekura Horomia, the trials and tribulations that he endured in this House as a consequence of the seabed and foreshore and the many decisions post facto. So I too want to acknowledge Parekura, an esteemed leader for many of us in this House but also for you o Ng\u0101ti Porou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003EEarlier this afternoon, Herewini mentioned that the \u014Dh\u0101ki, or the last aspirations, of Apirana were to see this bill enter into this House and pass through. And after 15 or so years, and many, many hui up and down that coast, many debates that have been had, it\u2019s taken too long but this day has come.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003EI reflected on some of the comments just prior to the election from Apirana\u2019s son and former colleague, Matanuku Mahuika, who led these negotiations. One of the things that he mentioned was \u201CI hope that, in turn, this doesn\u2019t become another political football post-election if the Government changes.\u201D And I\u2019m proud of the work of my colleagues on this side of the House. Ng\u0101ti Porou, for your dedication and, I guess, your ongoing endurance through the many changes that you have seen\u2014I am glad that there has been little fuss in seeing this bill passed through under this changed administration.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003EI also, too, want to acknowledge that I\u2019ve always admired the way that Ng\u0101ti Porou have been very instrumental in the way that I see you operate Wellington. In fact, I\u2019m going to say it was about 10.30 pm on the evening of 23 September 2017 that I got my first phone call lobbying me for my very first time as what would be a new MP of this House\u2014about this here bill. \u201CDon\u2019t you forget about this bill!\u201D So your masterminds\u2014I always sort of preach back to my iwi. I say, \u201CIf we want to ever learn how to work Wellington and get things done, let\u2019s take a leaf out of Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2019s books.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003EThere are many people that can be acknowledged, but I do want to just say that the most interesting thing for me in this bill\u2014Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2)\u2014[Bell rung]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd738d506fae40ee8473627995e56b16\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: I apologise to the member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fea8df70b3504d3aaf3a22d58fba7aee\u0022\u003EKIRITAPU ALLAN\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry. Those that are on the ground of the hap\u016B, who actually have to do the mahi: n\u014D reira, ki a koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022 data-id=\u0022af92826b08fe4275825bef67d4b4cca3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022af92826b08fe4275825bef67d4b4cca3\u0022\u003EDr PARMJEET PARMAR (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker, for the opportunity to take this call to support this very important bill, Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2). Before I get into the content of this bill, I want to acknowledge everyone that has been involved in bringing this bill, in this form, before the House. I acknowledge the current Minister in charge, the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, the Hon Andrew Little. I acknowledge the work done by the previous Minister, the Hon Chris Finlayson. I also acknowledge members of Ng\u0101ti Porou. I notice that this iwi is our largest iwi. It has around 72,000 members. So that\u2019s the kind of significance we have for this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EGoing back, we know that work on this bill started in the early 2000s, and that is when the previous Labour Government started working on the Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004. I would say that that was controversial legislation, but that was the time when we started working on this bill. That\u2019s why this bill has \u201CNo 2\u201D inserted after its name, because there was a bill that came after the first deed of agreement was signed, which was based on the Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EThen the Government changed. Yes, the National Government came in, and we decided to repeal and replace the Foreshore and Seabed Act with the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011. Then, yes, there were no changes from Ng\u0101ti Porou, but, yes, of course things changed from the Crown. So that agreement, which was already signed\u2014that agreement was signed in 2008 and that was signed here in Parliament. That was signed between the Crown and about 50 hap\u016B representatives. So that was already done, but because the basis that it was signed on, the Foreshore and Seabed Act, got repealed and replaced, we had to update the deed of agreement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EFrom that time, since 2011, that work started. I can imagine that a huge amount of work has gone into this legislation to come here before the House. The bill was drafted last year in 2017, and the iwi has done a lot of hard work. They have not only negotiated, agreed everything, and then signed the deed which was signed in 2017, but done several huis, and this was actually ratified last year. But there are a few components in the agreement which cannot be implemented without having legislation, because there are several components which interlink or overlap with other Acts\u2014for example, the Fisheries Act, Conservation Act, Resource Management Act. So it\u2019s important that we have this legislation before the House. As everything in this legislation has been already negotiated and agreed upon, I fully agree with some members\u2014those who said before that there is no reason for any more delays to happen for this bill to go through the House. So this side of the House is fully supportive of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s important to note that this bill actually provides that Part 3 and Part 4 of the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011 are no longer applied, because they are to be replaced with specific recognition of customary interests. There are eight main areas in this bill\u2014I won\u2019t go through all those, but, just to give some examples, one is about customary fishing practice. It is important that that mechanism is extended to allow for a proposal of by-laws to reduce or completely stop fishing for sustainable use or for cultural reasons where it is in relation to customary marine title areas. Also, this bill extends the conservation process mechanisms. This will allow the iwi to have the right to give, or the right to refuse to give, consent to proposals that are related to the customary marine title areas. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EThere are, as I said, eight main areas in this bill that are going to be addressed. So, as I said before, everything has been already agreed upon. This legislation is important for us to be able to implement what has been agreed upon. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u00227b9ff07fc7ac411e9ef53542fa3557b2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227b9ff07fc7ac411e9ef53542fa3557b2\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Associate Minister for M\u0101ori Development):\u003C/span\u003E Tuatahi, e tika me mihi ki ng\u0101 whanaunga tae mai nei i t\u0113nei w\u0101. Ka mihi ki a koutou i tae mai nei. Selwyn, ng\u0101 rangatira whakarangatira m\u0101tou i t\u0113nei w\u0101, t\u0113nei te tino mihi ki a koutou. E tika ana ki te hoki taku mahara ki t\u014D t\u0101tou rangatira, Uncle Api Mahuika; n\u0101n\u0101 an\u014D r\u0101 i parau te huarahi hei wh\u0101inga m\u0101 t\u0113nei reanga. Ko ia t\u0113tahi e t\u016B toa ana, e t\u016B hei rangatira m\u0101 t\u0101tou me ana mahi maha nei i kawea mai. Ahakoa te uaua, ahakoa te taumaha, ko Uncle Api t\u0113tahi i hiki i te nui o ng\u0101 mahi ki runga i ana pakihiwi. N\u014D reira Uncle, moe mai, moe mai, moe mai r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Firstly, let us welcome our relatives who have arrived here today. Greetings to you all. Selwyn, and the leaders who honour us with their presence today, I salute you. We must take the time to remember our great chief, Uncle Api Mahuika; it was he who forged the path and this generation continues that work. He was one of the staunch ones who took the lead and assumed responsibility on our behalf in sundry areas. Despite the trials and tribulations, Uncle Api was one of those who shouldered those burdens. Therefore Uncle, rest now, rest in peace.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI stand today as a son of Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2014a son of Ng\u0101ti Porou, which is something very special to many of us who were brought up in urban settings. One of the saddest times for me was when our chairman and great rangatira Uncle Api Mahuika died, and, sadly, I was flying over to Europe when uncle died. He was a great influence, in terms of Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2014in Ng\u0101ti Porou, and Ng\u0101ti Porou in the cities. He was a man who always reminded us of our Ng\u0101ti Poroutanga, particularly myself and John Tamihere, who used to irritate him somewhat, through the years. So it\u2019s good today to see the cuz there, the whanaunga with the hauk\u0101inga up there in the gallery, mixing with them, because we have been\u2014well, not at each other\u2019s throats, but we had talked about iwi rights as opposed to urban rights many times with our Uncle Api Mahuika. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWe even took him to court, actually. And we didn\u2019t go too well in that respect, either, because we were trying to determine rights in terms of urban M\u0101ori as opposed to iwi, but our uncle stood tall and nothing was ever personal from him. He had so much influence, so it\u2019s wonderful\u2014I know we\u2019re not meant to be referring to the gallery, but it\u2019s wonderful\u2014to see our chair up there, my whanaunga Selwyn Parata and the relations come here, because it reminds me so much of Ng\u0101ti Porou, when I was brought up. Kiritapu Allan was talking about it earlier. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI have to say that in Wellington particularly, just for the Opposition, when I was young, Ng\u0101ti Porou ruled. Anything and everything was run by a Ng\u0101ti. If you were listening to my father Bob Jackson, only Ng\u0101ti Porou could speak M\u0101ori properly. There were only two types of M\u0101ori: those who were Ng\u0101ti Porou and those who wanted to be. Humility was not one of our strong characteristics at the time. But that\u2019s what pervaded in those days.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI remember going to Ruat\u014Dria with John Tamihere, and talking to the locals about our upbringing, because when we were into these property rights debates, we talked about us being as proud as Ng\u0101ti Porou, as the Selwyn Paratas, and others who were brought up on the coast. Though we were never brought up under the umbrella of Hikurangi, we always said Hikurangi followed us wherever we went. If you were brought up in Porirua or you were brought up down here in Wellington, you would have thought you were in Ruat\u014Dria because everyone was a Ng\u0101ti. Uncle Api always said the best M\u0101ori language speakers were only Ng\u0101ti Porou. I recall him saying vividly one night that the best M\u0101ori language speaker\u2014and can I say K\u012Bngi \u012Ahaka and Shane Jones were there\u2014was Koro Dewes, and K\u012Bngi \u012Ahaka and Shane Jones said, \u201CWhat about Ng\u0101puhi?\u201D Uncle Api said, \u201CNo, the second-best speaker is me, and you don\u2019t feature.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo these are the stories that I was brought up on, you know\u2014wonderful stories, and it\u2019s wonderful to talk about this today. It\u2019s almost appropriate that Ng\u0101ti Porou is the first tribe\u2014and I mihi to the former Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Chris Finlayson over there for his work\u2014to exercise rangatiratanga. Uncle Api would say, \u201CWho else should be exercising rangatiratanga first?\u201D But Ng\u0101ti Porou is doing that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI assure everyone in the House, and people who are listening, that everybody\u2019s going to be safe on the East Coast. Our people will manage the situation just fine, which was a worry just a few years ago\u2014a worry that led us to the infamous foreshore and seabed bill and the nonsense that went on at the time. I won\u2019t go down the track about who turned it into law and all that sort of thing, but I will say that one person stuck with Labour and the insults that were coming their way. I shouldn\u2019t say that\u2014I shouldn\u2019t say that; there was more than one. But there was certainly one person who stood up and said, \u201CWe\u2019re going to stay with the kaupapa here. We\u2019re going to change things.\u201D, and that was Parekura Horomia. He fronted at the time. He fronted protesters at the time, and he was at the forefront in terms of what we are talking about today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo I want to remember that whanaunga\u2014remember that whanaunga for the wonderful work he did for the people of Ng\u0101ti Porou, for the wonderful work he did for the Labour Party. He held the M\u0101ori caucus strong together, when they were getting booted\u2014I was going to say \u201Cdeservedly\u201D, but I\u2019m part of the team now, aren\u2019t I, so I can\u2019t say that. Anyway\u2014no, no, they deserved nothing, right. No, no\u2014Pare, well, we had a number of debates at the time, in 2004 and 2005, and Parekura stood strong. He set up things well for the member Meka Whaitiri who followed in his footsteps, and the dream, the moemoe\u0101, that I have to say a lot of P\u0101keh\u0101 people don\u2019t get, which is that we can manage our own. We can look after the beaches. We can look after the rohe. We don\u2019t need a council to look after us. We are mature, experienced people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWe have wonderful people on the coast, like Selwyn Parata and the board and Whaimutu Dewes. All the different whanaunga are well versed in management, in governance, so New Zealand and the East Coast do not have to worry about Ng\u0101ti Porou looking after the governance, the customary rights, the tino rangatiratanga of that area. That fear that was promoted, sadly, by irresponsible politicians in the early 2000s, must no longer come to the fore\u2014must no longer come to the fore.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246454ea010004e969b4e67a1f4a2b676\u0022\u003EHon Christopher Finlayson\u003C/span\u003E: You guys botched it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fdb5ef23d4d74363a48d590b5a3f49ca\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: And we\u2019re all on the same wavelength. We\u2019re all on the same wavelength here. That promotion that was\u2014and I will say by both sides, Mr Finlayson, by both sides; there\u2019s no argument there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5d3a5efedc64849b5705d90f27f7529\u0022\u003EHon Christopher Finlayson\u003C/span\u003E: Correct.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022110d765f6a5c41feae2c586c5a8757ca\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: There is no argument there. We are more mature politicians now. These are the types of kaupapa where we come together, where we say: Kua tae ki te w\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[We have come to the time.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve come to that time where we can see M\u0101ori leading the way, in terms of managing and governing different rohe. I see this as only the start\u2014only the start\u2014of something that is very, very exciting. Who would have thought, when we were going through that whole infamous foreshore and seabed debacle, that we would end up where we are today. It\u2019s a tribute to our whanaunga, who are here today; to Uncle Api Mahuika, who was the chief negotiator; and to some of the members of the M\u0101ori Party, National Party, and now Labour Party that we have got this bill, which will, I\u2019m sure, travel through with no problem through our committee process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo it\u2019s a privilege to stand, as I said, as a son of Ng\u0101ti Porou, a tribe that, as Kiritapu Allan said\u2014you can\u2019t shut them up, sometimes, eh, Kiritapu, in Wellington\u2014led all the way with all our different rangatira. It had the top\u2014we always say\u2014M\u0101ori politicians like yourself, Kiritapu Allan, and Peeni Henare has got the whakapapa links, and Marama Davidson over there. I hope she talks more about her Ng\u0101ti Porou side than her Ng\u0101puhi side.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226e76efec62be4c9abb922924d12d6230\u0022\u003EMarama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: I did, au.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022113f523b3c3041f6a465b8efd6055460\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely. You know, when you come into this House there\u2019s a number of us here\u2014and, of course, Meka Whaitiri, our member who\u2019ll be wrapping up our k\u014Drero today. It\u2019s an honour to talk on this bill. Again, I mihi to the whanaunga who are here today. T\u0113nei te mihi ki a t\u0101tou katoa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 n\u014D t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022 data-id=\u0022c995f990fb6a47ffb31244268f4893a7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c995f990fb6a47ffb31244268f4893a7\u0022\u003EJO HAYES (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ka tangi te t\u012Bt\u012B, ka tangi te k\u0101k\u0101, ka tangi hoki ko au. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EE koro m\u0101, e kui m\u0101, e rau rangatira m\u0101 o ng\u0101 hap\u016B me ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau o Ng\u0101ti Porou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Nau mai haere mai ki te r\u0101 whakahirahira. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EKo wai au? Kei te mokopuna o te awa, kei te mokopuna au o te awa o Waiap\u016B, te maunga o Hikurangi, te whare o Awatere me Hinerupe, me te tangata Porourangi. Ko Rangihuna me Apanui Konea \u014Dku wh\u0101nau tupuna. Ko Paikea Apanui, ko Paikea Ariki Apanui t\u014Dku p\u0101p\u0101, ko Joanne K\u014Dwhai Apanui Hayes t\u014Dku ingoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E[Just as the muttonbird calls and the parrot chatters, so too do I wish to be heard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003ELadies and gentlemen, distinguished leaders of the various subtribes and families of Ng\u0101ti Porou, greetings to you all. I bid you a warm welcome to an important day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EWho am I? A grandchild of the river, I am a descendant of the Waiap\u016B River, of Hikurangi mountain, of the house of Awatere and of Hinerupe, and of Porourangi. Rangihuna and Apanui Konea are my grandparents. Paikea Ariki Apanui is my father and my name is Joanne K\u014Dwhai Apanui Hayes.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI too want to acknowledge the late Dr Apirana Mahuika\u2014or uncle Api, as we all know him\u2014a great leader of Ng\u0101ti Porou, a man who only wore Ng\u0101ti Porou - tinted glasses and never apologised for it, and a man who, among other attributes, led the claims process for Ng\u0101ti Porou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EAs I heard from the previous speaker about the tinted glasses of those from Ng\u0101ti Porou, I too was brought up thinking that there was only one iwi, and that iwi was Ng\u0101ti Porou. I too was brought it with all of those ideas\u2014even though it wasn\u2019t back on the coast of Te Araroa; it was in a little place in the centre of the Manuwat\u016B. That is what I was brought up with: that every M\u0101ori in the whole of New Zealand was Ng\u0101ti Porou. So you can imagine my shock when I found out, hello, that might not be the case.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the ope of Ng\u0101ti Porou. Some of them that have come here today were here in 2008. And so today is a journey that is just about at the end of the process that we\u2019re going through for the bill to reach its Royal assent. I want to acknowledge Herewini P\u0101rata, sitting up in the gallery today. I\u2019ve known Herewini for quite some time. He\u2019s, obviously, the Hon Hekia P\u0101rata\u2019s brother\u2014but, also, Heriwini was my brother\u2019s boss at te\u2014at the big M\u0101ori\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022202865157d1a4c38aaa9a142e6f6dda6\u0022\u003EHon Meka Whaitiri\u003C/span\u003E: Matatini.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2501676a9184885a42885b2458825d1\u0022\u003EJO HAYES\u003C/span\u003E: Matatini\u2014that\u2019s it. Te Matatini\u2014in the head; needed to keep going.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EWhile I was not at Parliament during the time, in 2008, when the iwi came here to sign their agreement, I can only imagine the political uproar that was going on as the bill was being negotiated. It was a time when the ill-fated foreshore and seabed legislation had been debated and passed by the former Labour Government\u2014a bill that instantly marginalised iwi M\u0101ori customary rights to the moana, and for some non-M\u0101ori as well. It was a time that saw the birth of the first and only independent M\u0101ori political party to emerge onto the political scene\u2014the M\u0101ori Party. Yes, they were rocky times, back then.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EAs I look around the house I see these political parties that drove that divisive piece of legislation sitting here and standing and moving forward with this piece of legislation. We cannot forget the work of the National Government, when it came in in 2008 and repealed the Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004 through the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill. But I digress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EToday, we\u2019re here to celebrate the first reading of the Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2). It is a bill that, in essence, gives effect to the deed of agreement between ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou and the Crown in relation to ng\u0101 rohe moana o nga hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou. It is a bill that seeks to achieve outcomes that recognise the unbroken, inalienable, and enduring mana of the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou in relation to ng\u0101 rohe moana, which is held and exercised as a collective right. It provides a legal mechanism that supports the expression and protection of the mana of the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou, generally and in those specific areas where customary marine title rights are recognised. It seeks an outcome that will recognise that the Crown has a responsibility for public access in, on, and over the common marine and coastal area and a role in regulating it; and, finally, it provides certainty about the use and administration of ng\u0101 rohe moana o ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EMany speakers have most probably already covered the eight mechanisms that were negotiated between Ng\u0101ti Porou and the Crown. That requires legislation to have effect of those eight mechanisms. Some of these eight mechanisms look at statutory overlay\u2014that\u2019s a map outlining the moana rohe for Ng\u0101ti Porou and relating to resource consent. It\u2019s about customary fishing practices, conservation mechanisms, an environmental covenant, protected customary activities, w\u0101hi tapu, and w\u0101hi tapu areas. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EIt also looks at other areas: official geographic names of features; relationship instruments; as well as other customary marine title mechanisms around permission rights\u2014that\u2019s permission rights for resource consent\u2014to actually approve people to go and harvest, through the Resource Management Act. It looks at customary fishing practices\u2014extended mechanisms that will extend fisheries by allowing a hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou to propose by-laws restricting or prohibiting fishing for sustainable utilisation or cultural reasons in customary marine title areas. Again, there are environmental covenants and conservation processes, and also, areas around the taonga t\u016Bturu ownership and minerals ownership of that rohe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EAs I stand here I look at this bill, and it is an extraordinary bill. It is an extraordinary bill in the many ways that have been expressed in this House today. As a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee I look forward to receiving the bill into the select committee and to going through the processes\u2014to hear submissions, to hear what the people have to say, and also, to be able to, if we have the opportunity, travel to the East Coast to be able to be part and parcel of the wh\u0101nau of Ng\u0101ti Porou as we go through the submissions process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI just want to close my contribution today by recognising my late father. Now, my late father was named Paikea. He was named after the ancestor Paikea. So, I close my contribution today by reciting our Ng\u0101ti Porou anthem, \u201CPaikea\u201D. And it goes like this:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EUia mai koe whakahuatia ake; \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EKo wai te whare nei e?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EKo Te Kani. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EKo wai te tekoteko kei runga?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EKo Paikea! ko Paikea! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EWhakakau Paikea. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EWhakakau he tipua.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EWhakakau he taniwha.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EKa \u016B Paikea ki Ahuahu. Pakia! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EKei te whitia koe, ko Kahutia-te-rangi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EMe ai t\u014D ure ki te tam\u0101hine a Te Whironui. Aue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EN\u0101na i noho i te Roto-a-Tahe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EAue! He koruru koe, koro e.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EAsk and you will be told;\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EWhat is the name of this house?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EIt is Te Kani.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EWho is the carved figure above it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EIt is Paikea! It is Paikea!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EPaikea emerges. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EA wizard emerges.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EA deep-water prodigy is wading ashore.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EPaikea lands at Ahuahu. Clap!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EYour identity is entwined with Kahutia-te-rangi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EYou were intimate with the daughter of Te Whironui. Oh, my.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EWho settled at te Roto-a-Tahe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EAlas! You are now a figurehead, old one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u002293e81829ede44148b727f14a19393793\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002293e81829ede44148b727f14a19393793\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E No greater iwi has contributed to the leadership framework of Aotearoa New Zealand than Ng\u0101ti Porou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, \u014Dku rau rangatira m\u0101, t\u0113nei te mihi aroha ki a koutou katoa kua tae mai i t\u0113nei w\u0101; t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[Therefore, my distinguished leaders, let me offer warm greetings to all of you who have come here today; greetings, greetings, greetings to one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EAs the proud member for Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti, I am honoured to stand in solidarity with all the members of the House in supporting the introduction of the Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2). I want to say what eloquent contributions all members gave in terms of the importance of this particular bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s probably, for me\u2014listening to both the Minister in his introduction and the former Minister Chris Finlayson, who I also want to acknowledge in terms of their work in bringing this bill\u2014it really is a recognition of what already happens on the coast; it already happens. It\u2019s happened mai r\u0101 an\u014D, and so this bill, really, is just acknowledging the undisturbed possession of their moana. This is what we\u2019re doing here today, and it couldn\u2019t come faster. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo I want to acknowledge all those that have worked and also pay tribute to Uncle Api, in terms of his stewardship of this particular bill and his tenacity to work with a former Labour Government in 2008 when it was first signed. It\u2019s done a 10-year bit of a h\u012Bkoi, so it\u2019s probably fitting that it\u2019s now going to be passed into law under this coalition Government. I\u2019m really, really proud to be part of that process, but I do want to acknowledge the sincere work of Uncle Api and others that join us here in ushering this bill to its completion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f34f04ac59c4083beecd44761d02cab\u0022\u003EHon Christopher Finlayson\u003C/span\u003E: And Api was really in favour of law reform too.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7d9c6d4f3b444c7a306d38bed6d4385\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI\u003C/span\u003E: Was he?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246326948f647423b906fbf72e2f02a68\u0022\u003EHon Christopher Finlayson\u003C/span\u003E: He got me on to Te Ture Whenua M\u0101ori reform, which you\u2019ve mucked up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a291229b8784d35b1e8a5b5fa10d7bf\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI\u003C/span\u003E: Interesting\u2014interesting. You had 10 years to get this over the line, Mr Finlayson, so we\u2019re happy to pick up the slack. You were gifted it from the last Labour-led Government. Anyway, we\u2019re here to celebrate. This is to acknowledge the mahi that has gone in in the background. And I do want to acknowledge the great leaders of the tribe of Ng\u0101ti Porou. I want to acknowledge my Ng\u0101ti Porou side. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve got to say, I was raised in a little community\u2014I say it\u2019s the biggest capital city of Gisborne, called Manutuke\u2014and for a long time I actually thought their name was \u201CNg\u0101ti Blow\u201D, because that\u2019s what my auntie used to always say to me: \u201CWatch out for those Ng\u0101ti Blows\u201D. So, for a long time, I actually used to think: \u201CHoly, their name\u2019s \u2018Ng\u0101ti Blow\u2019\u00A0\u201D, because it was a reflection of the way that they were great leaders\u2014I discovered later on\u2014and very proud and very outspoken. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge my Ng\u0101ti Porou side, through my two great-grandmothers\u2014Miriama P\u014Dhatu, n\u00E8e McClutchie, on my father\u2019s side; and on my mother\u2019s side, I want to acknowledge Reremoana Hakiwai, n\u00E8e Paratene, who was also raised in Tokomaru Bay, with the P\u0113whairangi wh\u0101nau. So these connections, when we are talking about returning\u2014not even returning; it\u2019s acknowledging the undisturbed occupation of the moana with Ng\u0101ti Porou through this bill, and it\u2019s always exciting that we have legislation like that that actually does achieve to do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EWhat I wanted to contribute in the time that I\u2019ve got left\u2014because, obviously, this bill will go to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee\u2014is a time prior to me coming into the House, and that was the time I served as the chief executive of Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu. Going home back in 2009, they had just introduced the Kahungunu ki Uta, Kahungunu ki Tai strategy, and I just offer that up to our wh\u0101nau in the gallery, Ng\u0101ti Porou. That strategy actually empowered hap\u016B to come up with hap\u016B plans, from the mountains to the sea\u2014from the mountains to the sea\u2014and returning the tino rangatiratanga and the mana motuhake to the rightful place of ng\u0101 hap\u016B. So I just offer that up to our visitors in the gallery, never to take anyone\u2019s lead, because I know Ng\u0101ti Porou will have it sorted going forward in terms of their hap\u016B plans, but if you wanted to look at something that\u2019s already out there and get some feedback, then I would encourage you to make contact. I\u2019m sure Herewini\u2019s probably already spoken to Ng\u0101hiwi about looking and examining that particular strategy. It was a very detailed strategy, and it gave practical tools to hap\u016B around how they go about doing their individual plans. So from the mountain to the sea, we\u2019re here talking about the moana, but I know up in Ng\u0101ti Porou the mana extends, like I said, from the mountains to the sea. So there\u2019s a little suggestion that I offer up as my contribution on this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIn the time that I\u2019ve got remaining, it is really important to encourage those that may not have signed up to this process\u2014I am talking about the hap\u016B that aren\u2019t signed up\u2014to be active participants when the bill is getting scrutinised at the select committee. I am hopeful, without making that decision for the chairman of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, that the hearings will be held in Gisborne, if not at the coast, to make it easier for all our wh\u0101nau from the coast to come and submit and have their say on this piece of legislation\u2014if anything else, to at least understand what this piece of legislation is attempting to do. So I do encourage both the supporters, which are very important\u2014and this whole House supports this bill\u2014but it\u2019s also to hear from those that may have some issues or perhaps have some ways in which we can strengthen particular parts of the legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI think it\u2019s innovative, what Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2019s done here. I\u2019m not surprised. It\u2019s a unique bill in that this will be the only one that we\u2019ll see, because of the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act, that other members have spoken about. But it\u2019s really to celebrate that this legislation, protecting what has already happened and is happening up the coast, is endured as we go forward. So with that contribution, I wholeheartedly support all those that have spoken on this bill, recognising the leadership and the sacrifice that this iwi has for New Zealand. The leadership they\u2019ve shown for themselves and for Aotearoa New Zealand is something that we cannot celebrate and acknowledge enough. So with those few words, I wholeheartedly stand proudly to commend this bill to the House. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EBill read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EBill referred to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u002259f98303a00248449afaee6b61a99c71\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002259f98303a00248449afaee6b61a99c71\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Otir\u0101, e tika ana kia tuku mihi atu ki a koutou; m\u0113n\u0101 he waiata t\u0101 koutou, anei te w\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Therefore, it behoves me to thank you all; if you have a song, this is the time for it.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002233da2b01d7954dea8964eabb82be2c04\u0022\u003EFamilies Commission Act Repeal Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00229921b9e108b74a229d1095ead4705bef\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022 data-id=\u0022f2bf46caaba543eaa5cea2ddfefbcc34\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f2bf46caaba543eaa5cea2ddfefbcc34\u0022\u003EKIRITAPU ALLAN (Assistant Whip\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave for the provisions to be taken as one debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022 data-id=\u00222e885837c96f4ad2aae61902c8b1cfe6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222e885837c96f4ad2aae61902c8b1cfe6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There appears to be none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ff78f70863c845259aead0fa9fcfccc6\u0022\u003EParts 1 and 2, schedules 1 and 2, and clauses 1 and 2\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u00222b0ae86ad364408aa7014510776b920f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222b0ae86ad364408aa7014510776b920f\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I rise to take a call in the committee of the whole House in regard to the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill, repealing the Act of 2003. I look forward to this bill because this is a well-written bill. It\u2019s a bill that\u2019s been well-thought-out over a long period of time\u2014in fact, over the last nine years previously, because it is a bill that came under the National-led Government. While this is a good bill, we\u2019ve supported it throughout its different stages, Madam Chair\u2014the changing of the Chairs. Ha, ha! What I would say is that this is a bill that is supported by the National Party as it\u2019s progressing through the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EHowever, in the committee of the whole House there are a number of questions that I think are important that we\u2019d like to see answered by the Minister in the chair herself, Carmel Sepuloni, who I think has been on record and has spoken in the House. In fact, her speech was written, though, I have to say, and when she delivered the speech I sensed there was a sense of just regretting reading the speech, because this is a speech that\u2014there was a time in which the Minister, who was a member, actually spoke out strongly about the position of the Government of the day, the National-led Government, and the position it was taking in regard to the changes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIn fact, if we can remember, this is a long history. This is a history that came from 2003. It was an Act that was established out of a coalition agreement. It was done so under the Labour Government at that period of time to ensure that there was a focus in the direction in regard to research and evaluation, that particularly was focused on families to ensure that any Government of the day would take this into account, in particular where there was a concern that there wasn\u2019t enough conversation and discussion, especially around the detail. In particular, this is a Crown entity that was established through this Act, so it had both autonomy to be an advocate to speak on behalf of the needs and the concerns of the community at large. Again, this was led by a Labour-led Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo I can understand why this was really difficult for the current Government of the day to be able to take this bill through the House, because, in a sense, we\u2019ve heard from the Minister\u2014and I\u2019d like to make some quotes from the Minister, who spoke at a time where she did not actually agree with the direction of that current Government, which was the National-led Government. In fact, I want to read from her quote, where she talks about the changes that happened in 2014, from the Families Commission to SuPERU. She talks about the fact that the new agency is called the social policy evaluation and research unit, or SuPERU for short. Labour\u2019s Carmel Sepuloni says it speaks volumes about the Government priorities. In fact, she is quoted as saying this: \u201CYou have to question how seriously they\u2019re taking the work of the Families Commission.\u201D She also says, \u201CSomeone said \u2018Well, what do you think?\u2019 I likened it to the type of sticker a child would get in an assembly on a Friday if they behaved themselves all week.\u201D So my question to the Minister in the chair is this\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de207d761cdf4a469b1992131a7987fc\u0022\u003EHon Andrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019re not getting one of those stickers this week, Alfred.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a11af72e6eaa4c51bd6a7c1b6d996fc4\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: And also, too, the learned member over here, the Hon Andrew Little. This, I\u2019m sure, will interest him as well\u2014is that for the Minister to stand and actually clearly articulate her reasons why she has shifted her position, why she has stood up in this House and given a very strong commitment to the purpose and the principles of this bill, when, quite clearly, there was a position that she held, she spoke very strongly, she talked about the fact that the direction of the current Government of the day in which\u2014oh, sorry. I raise a point of order, Madam Chair. I just have no counter; I\u2019m not sure where I\u2019m at at the moment. I\u2019m happy to restart again right from the beginning, if you\u2019d like.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f6d7b5e5c50422e9a63a15bb2c8f9f0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: My counter has you with a minute left to go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e0480159d6b04d82ad5b13088ced0c08\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, Madam Chair. I\u2019m just unaware of the counter up the front there, so\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285a11eb247364f0285f6510c048ea7c8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s all right\u2014as long as I know, you\u2019re OK.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288a68a409d5d40d581274ded13dd27b8\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: OK, thank you, Madam Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b69f4712a0ed4faab21411edb44dd8c3\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: No one\u2019s listening anyway.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220aa25f1bb51045d5aca45d588c0d0b4f\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: I know that Greg O\u2019Connor likes my speeches. He gives quite reasonable speeches, even though they are misguided at times.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EAnyway, my question to the Minister is really quite simple: can she articulate to the House and to the public the reasons\u2014and articulate them rationally\u2014as to why there has been a change in her position? We\u2019re happy with this bill. We\u2019re supporting this bill all the way through. We think, actually, it\u2019s a bill that is important, because, actually, the intent of effectiveness and efficiencies which are stated in the bill\u2014it was under a National-led Government, and I\u2019d like to remind the Minister, actually, it was passed in July of 2017, last year\u2014where there will be the disestablishment of the Families Commission. So, from our side, from our point of view, there is no mistaking the aspect of the purpose and the reasons why we are supporting this bill. I\u2019d like the Minister in the chair to stand and articulate to us in this Chamber and to the public the reasons why she has changed her position, and to give us a rational reason as to why she is wanting to\u2014[Bell rung] Madam Chair? Madam Chair? Madam Chair? Oh, here we go. Madam Chair?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223bfca3183cca42f2899018b2e8387c0f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I call the Hon Alfred Ngaro.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229857f5d80040447e87861b07f7d7a8a3\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. It\u2019s an honour to keep\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213f117c8530c4914b75e492528e0b8e7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I shall concentrate\u2014I shall concentrate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231e67efe3a914611b41571a5f89ea09d\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, yes. Ha, ha! So I\u2019d like the Minister to stand and answer that question. I think that\u2019s critically important, as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s a second question I also have for the Minister, as well, and that\u2019s particular to the shortened report-back date that has been asked for. Now, one can be quite cynical and can say that when one looks at the factors, maybe they just didn\u2019t have enough work. But when there\u2019s cynicism, there has to be fact. So one needs to only look at the Order Paper, and when one looks at the Order Paper, one would see that, actually, a number of the bills\u2014I\u2019d say 80 percent; probably others could say 90 percent of the bills\u2014that are actually in here that are on the Order Paper have all come from the National Party. I\u2019m not going to use that cynicism. I\u2019m sure there\u2019s a valid reason why we\u2019ve had the shortened report-back date, but the important aspect of the second question to the Minister is why did we have a shortened report-back date?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe reason I say that is that the Minister herself has been very strong and very clear that it\u2019s important that we have an appropriate process, and if one looks at the departmental disclosure statement and if we look at \u201CPart Two: Background Material and Policy Information\u201D, it talks about\u2014the question in 2.1 is this: \u201CPublished reviews [and] evaluations: Are there any publicly available inquir[ies], review[s] or evaluation reports that have informed, or are relevant to, the policy to be given effect by this Bill?\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ENow, if the Minister is quite clear about her purpose and her reason, then she needs to be clear about the fact that already she\u2019s declared publicly that she\u2019s going to look for a review around data collection and data collation, and the importance of that. She\u2019s asked to go out to engage with the community. It\u2019s a form of inquiry. She\u2019s talking to those who are the stakeholders, the key practitioners at the front line. Also, she\u2019s asking questions of the public. Why then did the Minister, who is using that principle of transparency and engagement in the community\u2014and again the disclosure statement has been very clear. It clearly states that there has been no public inquiry. There has been no review. There\u2019s been no evaluation reports that have been able to inform this bill. So the second question that I think is important, which I\u2019d like the Minister to answer to us here, is, again, that she\u2019s had a clear process and she\u2019s had her principles where she\u2019s engaging into the community. She\u2019s said that quite publicly. Then why in this regard is she not actually enacting the very same principles that I think are really important as well?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIf you look further down through the disclosure statement, there is also, too, in 2.3\u2014it talks about the regulatory impact analysis. The question that is asked is this: were any regulatory impact statements provided to inform the policy decisions that led to this bill? The answer is no. Well, I have to say that again I\u2019ve been\u2014and we\u2019ve sat on the opposite side of the House. I\u2019ve heard the Minister, who was a member, quite strongly talk about the importance of a regulatory impact statement. Now, all of us in the House\u2014and maybe the members of the public don\u2019t realise the importance of a regulatory impact statement. The role of the regulatory impact statement is to ensure that when we think about the analysis of any form of legislation as it\u2019s proceeding through the House\u2014before we get the Royal assent, before it proceeds to its final reading\u2014we need to know what are the impacts financially, systematically as well, to other key stakeholders that are in there. In fact, I\u2019ve heard the Minister, as a member, argue very strongly: where is the regulatory impact statement? Again, I have to say that I am disappointed, because I would have expected that the Minister would have asked for some form of regulatory impact statement, and, again, when I look at the disclosure statement 2.3, in answer to whether there is one, the reply is no, there\u2019s not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo there are two questions, and there are other questions that I\u2019d like to pose further on in the debate today. So again I remind the Minister that the first question is the rationale and reason as to why she has changed her position and she is now supporting this bill through the House. I\u2019d have to say that if she wasn\u2019t fully supportive, if she questioned the bill previously and the intent of the previous National-led Government, then why did she not put it under the scrutiny that she would have expected to have happened? Why are there no reviews, inquiries, or evaluation? Why is there no regulatory impact statement, that I would\u2019ve expected the Minister would have required before stepping forward? As difficult as it may have been to be able to swallow the fact that she is now having to adopt\u2014and also, too, without amendment\u2014a bill that she spoke very strongly in the direction of, from the previous Government, I think it\u2019d be important for the Minister to stand and give us a reason for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe last question that I\u2019d like to ask is in regard to the regulatory impact analysis: why she has not required for this process to have a regulatory impact statement as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022 data-id=\u0022a3b33e9d8fb34525b9da668552df5961\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a3b33e9d8fb34525b9da668552df5961\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for Social Development):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019ll just quickly respond to a few of the questions asked by the Hon Alfred Ngaro and then allow someone else to take a call. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EThis is pretty straightforward. The honourable member Alfred Ngaro has asked why we didn\u2019t take this out, why we didn\u2019t do a review, why we haven\u2019t consulted widely, and why we haven\u2019t had an inquiry. Well, the number one reason is because every political party in the House agreed with this. We need to keep in mind here that this was well under way before the current Government took office. It was actually instigated by the previous Government. The previous Government had set a schedule for when they expected it to be disestablished, which is 30 June, which is what we\u2019ve continued with and which is what you will see in this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EThe member has asked why there\u2019s no regulatory impact statement. It\u2019s because the advice that we received from Treasury was that none was required because this is so straightforward. And the member has asked why I\u2019ve changed my position from I think, maybe\u2014I don\u2019t know how long it was; I can\u2019t remember the date that the member stated. But, really, the reason was that, when looking at this, it\u2019s very clear to all of us in the House that at the time the Families Commission was set up in 2004, it was a very different social context. What we\u2019ve got now, in particular, is a better understanding of the diversity of New Zealand families and of the drivers of families and well-being. We\u2019ve also got heightened expectations that agencies will work with each other on investing for social well-being, and I\u2019ll also say that what we\u2019ve also got now, most significantly, is a Government with a clear focus on improving the well-being of New Zealanders, hence why there is no longer a requirement for a Families Commission. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EBut I do want to remind the House that this is straightforward. Every party in this House supports this bill. So I think it\u2019s important that we do analyse any areas that might genuinely be of concern, but that that really be where the focus is. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022a99152d8fa1f4ef3a98772f7bcd99887\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a99152d8fa1f4ef3a98772f7bcd99887\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR (Labour\u2014\u014Ch\u0101riu):\u003C/span\u003E It does give me great pleasure to speak in the committee stage of this bill and particularly to follow my colleague on the Social Services and Community Committee Mr Ngaro. Now, it\u2019s been for me, coming on this committee and this bill and having followed it the whole way through, quite an eye-opener. It\u2019s interesting that you are sort of suggesting that we have another inquiry, actually, Mr Ngaro. I just wonder if you do listen to any of your colleagues in the House who have been somewhat critical of that same practice. I suggest that instead of perhaps whatever does distract you there, next time you\u2019re in the House you actually have a listen, because when we have inquiries on this side of the House, they\u2019re ones that, as a detective, I know are designed to establish facts that we\u2019re going to need, establish things that we require to make this country a better country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EAs I\u2019ve watched this piece of legislation go through, again it\u2019s been a wonderful eye-opener because what it does is it serves as something of a metaphor for the last Government, who really believed that if you broke everything down into its component bits, then everything would actually come right. Again\u2014I repeat something from last week\u2014one of the most disgraceful comments I heard was from Mr English, the previous Prime Minister, who said, \u201CNow that you\u2019ve taken these things off, these public servants of New Zealand will sit down with their feet up again around New Zealand.\u201D Well, that was an absolute disgrace and it actually belittled the Public Service\u2014the very hard-working Public Service of New Zealand. But I will come back down to the substance of the bill. It\u2019s good to see that we are dealing with the debate as a whole, instead of breaking it down into parts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EWe also did hear the submissions during this bill from the National Council of Women of New Zealand, the New Zealand Nurses Organisation, the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions, the Office of the Children\u2019s Commissioner, and the Public Service Association. One thing that really came through on all of those submissions was they were all very concerned to make sure that the intent of what we were trying to achieve with this was achieved. They were worried that what had actually happened in the past was that each Government department found they were actually able to shove this off to the social policy evaluation and research unit (SuPERU)\u2014the work they should have been doing themselves\u2014because they were so busy actually delivering those minute targets, those minute key performance indicators that were a feature of what they did. So even the information that came out of it, even the research and the data that came out, couldn\u2019t be relied on, because they were so busy ensuring that what they were producing kept the Minister of the day happy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EWell, that\u2019s changing, because what\u2019s actually now\u2014again, I go back to particularly Part 1 here; if you break down clause 5\u2014happening is the transferring of responsibility of the Family Violence Clearinghouse to the ministry. So what that will do is make sure that they understand they\u2019re part of the whole strategy and make sure that each of the Government departments now understands this is where you start: you go to the end, to what success looks like, and you work backwards. Now, by ensuring that that work and the different components of what SuPERU did\u2014and I might say that having produced 6,514 publications during their time, they did some great work\u2014do go back, the departments now understand what it is we are trying to achieve.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EJust the mention of the extra funding, for example, around the Family Violence Clearinghouse, which has now gone to the Ministry of Justice: the funding this week\u2014$76.157 million is to go into that area. Again, with the research, the work that\u2019s been done, they actually now will not only have the responsibility; they will have the ability of knowing exactly what it is that they are expected to achieve.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EAgain, one of the other parts under clause 6 is transferring responsibility of the Hub\u2014which, of course, is a one-stop shop for New Zealand social science, Government research to the Social Investment Agency. Again, through that agency, as I mentioned before, there are 6,514 publications, and that\u2019s all their research relating to education, health and well-being, crime and justice, families, and children and young people\u2014all those things are going to the Social Investment Agency. Again, it is making sure that the research\u2014making sure the work they\u2019ve done\u2014is not just there; it\u2019s something they can actually act on. They\u2019ve got that material, they\u2019ve got that research, and they can do the job that New Zealand requires of them. They will not be sitting with their feet on their desk; they will now have a full understanding of what it is, what success looks like, and be part of it. Thank you, Madam Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u0022a368a0ca970142159343885af5dfc1f9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a368a0ca970142159343885af5dfc1f9\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (National\u2014Papakura):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Well, I am disappointed with that member who\u2019s resumed his seat, Greg O\u2019Connor, that he would take the opportunity to attack a very longstanding member of Parliament who left this year. I actually think it\u2019s the sort of thing that people don\u2019t do in this House and I\u2019m sorry he has done it, and perhaps he needs to get a few lessons from someone who\u2019s been here a bit longer\u2014very disappointing from a former police officer who should know better.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EHaving said that, I was very interested in the contribution of my colleague the Hon Alfred Ngaro. I thought it was very informative and it helped, I think, the committee to gain some idea about why this is an excellent bill, started by the National Government, to get rid of the Families Commission. I say \u201Cget rid of\u201D, because that\u2019s exactly what I always wanted to do\u2014get rid of the Families Commission. I have been\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221efb04e434804fe39b9ac98170ed7bf9\u0022\u003EHon Andrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: You never did it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022384c4de117444aa08abaf4c6e432637a\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, we did actually; we put the bill in. And of course the Families Commission\u2014[Interruption] Yet another contribution from the very angry member, a Mister, a Minister, Andrew\u2014what\u2019s his name\u2014Little.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EAnyway, let\u2019s go back to the bill. This bill is an excellent bill, because the Families Commission started in 2002 and we all know why it started. Having listened to the Government members, you\u2019d think it just sort of turned up one day under a National Government. Oh, no, no, no, no\u2014it started under a Labour Government and that was the price for part of the coalition deal with United Future. You\u2019ll remember Mr Peter Dunne. That was how they kept their coalition together\u2014they needed to have that. The Families Commission was also a great place to put such other worthy people as Dr Rajen Prasad and other outstanding contributors to New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI\u2019m not sure, though, having heard that there have been\u2014what\u2014150, 160 papers or something written by them, how many of them have been read. I\u2019m not sure. I\u2019d like a show of hands in the Chamber. Anybody want to contribute and acknowledge that they\u2019ve read too many of them? Yes, the Minister in the chair, Carmel Sepuloni; she values the commission, but here she is championing a bill started by National to get rid of it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228efc139ad06549d7a4ad90a05d45b1ae\u0022\u003ESimeon Brown\u003C/span\u003E: A hand up over here, Judith.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229f65c1e6a829417fb97e0bbc30dabe7f\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, and a hand over here. Where? Jan Logie\u2014have you read any of them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ac1caa1ee6e458fab5b714e5bed51eb\u0022\u003EJan Logie\u003C/span\u003E: I have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ead47b98aaa4ecfaee6fc5e6ce2317e\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: She\u2019s fantastic, isn\u2019t she? That\u2019s what you do when you\u2019ve got more time on your hands than some of us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI think that it is a great bill, and, of course, the only reason the Families Commission was ever there in the first place was because of Peter Dunne, the Hon Peter Dunne.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa7d564ee9ca46d8a58ceebce1aca3a1\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: How did you not win the leadership?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce5f0e71266b4040939fad8ea051f430\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Who was that young man over there with all the facial hair\u2014with all that facial hair? What\u2019s his name? I don\u2019t think we\u2019ve seen him before in the Chamber, Madam Chair. I think he must be a new contributor.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220a3ab0db4ff8485e904a309ea24f915a\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I know it\u2019s late on Thursday afternoon, but\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227051ba46df9e4228898dba6c58d5ae1b\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s gone as red as that Labour box.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f152a7aa362c486380ef92d0bf6f55d8\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: He has gone as red as that Labour box, hasn\u2019t he? It\u2019s about as red as his hair, too, isn\u2019t it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EAnyway, apart from that, it is a great day when unanimity can break out around Parliament and we can wave goodbye to a really silly institution set up so that we can all tell everybody how to bring up children and to have families. I always think it is pretty easy really. If you want to have a good life for your kids, be good parents. It seems to work pretty well for most people, and, strangely enough, all of that\u2019s been done without reading one of those papers. But it did keep people employed, and that\u2019s a good thing. Dr Rajen Prasad was happy. He was employed, and various other worthies and notable people in New Zealand with lots of awards and things\u2014and I think, you know, that\u2019s a good thing. It kept them off the streets. It didn\u2019t keep him out of Parliament though; he turned up in Parliament for the Labour Party for one term, I think.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EBut, having said that, it\u2019s probably contributed almost nothing to New Zealand, but it did keep a Labour Government in place and it did certainly help to keep a National-led Government in place. Anything that keeps a National-led Government in place must be actually quite a good thing, because, as most people know\u2014everyone I associate with agrees\u2014a National-led Government is always better for New Zealand than a Labour-led Government, and, day in, day out I\u2019m reminded of that in question time, and in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EBut, anyway, isn\u2019t it wonderful to see that this bill is coming through? I\u2019d like to congratulate my colleagues who were able to get this through, because we\u2019ve finally, finally helped to end a career\u2014along with Mr Greg O\u2019Connor, who wants to take full credit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022e9b8dbc6aa3545f4931fcc1e8eace73d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e9b8dbc6aa3545f4931fcc1e8eace73d\u0022\u003EMAUREEN PUGH (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I stand to speak to the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill in its committee stage here today, and I assure you that my contribution will be far less entertaining than that of Judith Collins, the member who just resumed her seat. Entertaining and valuable as that was, mine will refer back to the bill\u2014and this bill actually does take another step further towards the move towards the greater efficiencies and the effectiveness within the social investment system. As we\u2019ve heard already from our great contributors on this side of the Chamber, the Social Investment Agency and the work that they will be doing are transformational for New Zealand and families within New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe repeal of the Families Commission Act of 2003 is what we are here to talk about today. The bill is a very small one, as the Minister for Social Development has referred to; it is a matter of process. It will, in effect, be repealing the Families Commission Act of 2003, which disestablishes the Families Commission, and that has operated as the social policy evaluation and research unit (SuPERU), which is an autonomous Crown agency. So with the establishment of the Social Investment Board and the Social Investment Agency last year, they have made the Families Commission and SuPERU obsolete, hence the need for this small piece of legislation to make its way through the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EPart 2 is the part of the bill that I\u2019d like to focus on in my small contribution today. It is the most substantive part of the bill and it contains clauses 7 through to 12. I\u2019d like to focus on clause 10. Unlike the other matters which are contained within the schedule connected to Part 1, this clause does not relate to assets or to research, but does, in fact, relate to staff. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EI take the opportunity to thank the SuPERU staff and the contractors involved with SuPERU and the board: Len Cook, the Families Commissioner; Professor Sir Peter Gluckman, a board member; Dame Tariana Turia, a board member; Jo-anne Wilkinson, a board member; and Haami Piripi, also a board member. I acknowledge the wealth of expertise they have individually and collectively brought to their role and all of the hard work that they have contributed over the years of the existence of that board and the work that they have done on behalf of New Zealand families. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThey have laid a foundation\u2014a solid foundation\u2014of data and evidence. We know that, \u201CIn God we trust, all others must bring data.\u201D These people have worked across the whole of the sector. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227674628ac7054a6ba950dc00158716b7\u0022\u003ESimeon Brown\u003C/span\u003E: That was entertaining. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223280833bfab046fcbd9c7859f1857d3c\u0022\u003EMAUREEN PUGH\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, was it? Thank you very much\u2014thank you very much. They have promoted informed debate on the key social issues here in New Zealand for its families and the wh\u0101nau, and they\u2019ve increased the awareness of what works in New Zealand. They\u2019ve grown the quality, the relevance, and the quantity of evidence in some of our most key priority areas, and they\u2019ve also facilitated the use of evidence by sharing it and using it. Now, we know that what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence, so the importance of having that research behind us is very critical to the decisions that we make and the Government makes going forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThere was a part of the submission process that I\u2019d like to refer to, which was from the Children\u2019s Commissioner. He raised the point that he felt that there would be a gap that would appear with the disestablishment of the Families Commission, and the gap that he mentioned was the allocation of one of its two roles\u2014its two main statutory functions\u2014specifically, advocacy. He suggested during his verbal submission that the Children\u2019s Commissioner\u2019s role could be expanded to include advocacy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003ESo my question for the Minister is: could she provide feedback on whether this advocacy role is intended to be reallocated, or say how she will ensure that the necessary dialogues take place with those various agencies so that the advocacy for our most vulnerable families is not lost? I think that would satisfy the Children\u2019s Commissioner, but would also give us assurance that there was not going to be a gap. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022 data-id=\u002245bf67971c0c4b199b6e0e7f04badba0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002245bf67971c0c4b199b6e0e7f04badba0\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for Social Development):\u003C/span\u003E Just to respond to the last two speakers, can I just say, with regards to the advocacy role, there\u2019s no intention to reallocate that. We like to think that, as a Government, we\u2019re going to advocate quite adequately for families and the well-being of New Zealanders across Government agencies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EI also just want to go back and acknowledge Maureen Pugh, the speaker who just spoke, for paying her respects to those who have actually been in charge of the Families Commission and who have been on the board of the Families Commission. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EJust reflecting on the member who spoke prior to her, the Hon Judith Collins, who seemed to be slightly negative about the people that have headed the Families Commission\u2014and I do want to remind this committee, with that in mind, that one of our own members, Parmjeet Parmar, was appointed by the National Government to be the head of the Families Commission in 2013. So we do pay our respects to all those that have been involved with the running and the governance of the Families Commission. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022 data-id=\u0022be60f02e3cb94defadd767903c92452e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022be60f02e3cb94defadd767903c92452e\u0022\u003ELAWRENCE YULE (National\u2014Tukituki):\u003C/span\u003E It\u2019s a good day. It\u2019s the end of the parliamentary session for the week, and I\u2019m energised by the Hon Judith Collins and what she had to say. Before I started this journey in this House, I watched the Families Commission and I watched Dr Roger Prasad\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002259529783fe08488a91271788d20f9dae\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Rajen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202dde8d6555e4fbf861db2fba071e903\u0022\u003ELAWRENCE YULE\u003C/span\u003E: Rajen Prasad\u2014my apologies. I watched what he was doing, from my living room, and I thought, \u201CDoes that bureaucracy actually add anything to New Zealand?\u201D And I never thought it did. Until I got here to this House, I didn\u2019t actually realise that it was set up by the Labour Government, and it was slowly killed by the Hon Judith Collins and now is being finally put to sleep today. Actually, this bill\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c1d48bc090d0411484bb67e8337b436a\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s not the only thing. She\u2019s done that before.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258a8454f737f4c0a96c6b121e2f5ba62\u0022\u003ELAWRENCE YULE\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I know, but this bill is actually a minute part of the process. We are shutting things down, getting rid of assets, making sure staff are dealt with fairly, disestablishing the board\u2014all those things that need to happen by 30 June. So it is wrap-up legislation. There has been a shortened reporting period\u2014all those things\u2014but it is simply tidying up the loose ends of a decision made by Cabinet in July of last year\u2014a National Government that disestablished the Families Commission.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003EThat whole approach\u2014what was started and how it has transitioned now\u2014by the former National Government was actually to reinforce social investment in New Zealand, to actually say you have to fundamentally change people\u2019s lives by investing in families in a targeted way. I\u2019ve read some of the research in the Growing Up in New Zealand work. I\u2019ve read some of that research, and as a parent myself, I agree with the Hon Judith Collins that it\u2019s pretty self-evident what that would say: basically, if families have good parents, it makes a huge difference not only to the children but to society and to how the State has to intervene. That\u2019s really what that study shows.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003ENow, I want to ask the Minister today, as part of this committee stage, what is going to happen to the data that has been collected over eight years, of 7,000 voices, and how is that going to be used? I actually think, honourable Minister, that has some value, and if you throw that away, you have lost those learnings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8b1f3e4ba77473491bcc9402f117187\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: You could\u2019ve read the departmental report.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231b486472753498e88b26a0e94415882\u0022\u003ELAWRENCE YULE\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, I understand that, but I want an assurance for those people that have worked for eight years\u2014that have worked for eight years\u2014that they will continue to be involved. I am completely supportive of the disestablishment of the Families Commission and the integration of the social investment model. Actually, I want to give real credit to the former Prime Minister the Rt Hon Bill English, who championed\u2014and I went to presentations and speeches of his. I sat him in my office when I was the mayor of Hastings, and we talked about the issues in my home town. Actually, for a small number of families, a massive investment by the State and caring in a wraparound set of services would have been far better than a broad-spectrum approach. The Rt Hon Bill English saw that and saw the cost to the State, the nation, and us, as taxpayers, if that wasn\u2019t done properly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003EI don\u2019t know how much the Hon Judith Collins was involved in this decision to disestablish\u2014I expect quite a lot. But she would only do that if there was another strategy that was going to be better, and that\u2019s what the National Government brought into power before the last election. A lot of that stuff is now being carried on. I\u2019m looking forward to the day that the Minister announces how the new data is going to be collected\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2a2fddb27ba44afb835d7d3c6c6f84f\u0022\u003EHon Andrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s called \u201Cbeing fixed up\u201D, Lawrence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002252292bbb7f6a4134a7962d5e1d48a203\u0022\u003ELAWRENCE YULE\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014how it\u2019s going to be managed\u2014\u201CIt\u2019s all being fixed up.\u201D? I haven\u2019t seen much action yet. I\u2019ve heard a lot of talk, a lot of reports. How many reviews are we up to? About 74? Ninety?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2f82dd9bf834e608d6c6cddc7cf675a\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: 90.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002254985f0e56954af6b3eb742d09417420\u0022\u003ELAWRENCE YULE\u003C/span\u003E: Ninety\u2014we\u2019re up to 90 reviews. I haven\u2019t seen any action so far.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003EWhen you get back to this bill and the specifics of this bill\u2014and it\u2019s listed here\u2014it is really quite simple: it is a winding down provision taking care of all the things that need to be taken care of, not before time. But, actually, the foundation that has been built in New Zealand under the social investment model\u2014this side of the Chamber will proudly champion that through this term of the Government, of your Government, and when we get back into Government, because it is the best way of supporting my children, their children, and all of New Zealand\u2019s children. It gives me pleasure to support this bill as we wind this entity down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022ab99d4f260d740efa4675eefa4ecd863\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ab99d4f260d740efa4675eefa4ecd863\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Before I call the next speaker, can I just remind, perhaps, the newer members in the House that you are actually addressing the chair, so when you use the word \u201Cyou\u201D, you are talking about me. OK?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u0022eee4814db689446da0dd063a38672e17\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eee4814db689446da0dd063a38672e17\u0022\u003ENICOLA WILLIS (National):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to speak on the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill. Now, of course, I want to draw members\u2019 attention to the general policy statement for this bill, which is very clear that the reason the National Government introduced this legislation to repeal the Families Commission Act was that we wanted to achieve greater effectiveness and greater efficiency\u2014two principles that, of course, National-led Governments focus on because we know that we are stewards of other people\u2019s money, that we should use it effectively, and that we should make sure that we use it efficiently. Those are two principles that members opposite would do well to remember, and it\u2019s good to see them being focused on in this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EThe purpose statement is clear, also, that what we wanted to ensure was that the provision of social science research and advocacies for families generally would be transferred to more suitable agencies. I want to ask some questions of the Minister today in relation to some of the specifics of this bill, particularly as they relate to schedule 1, clause 1, which is the section of the bill that requires that matters in this legislation be transferred to other agencies. My question is: in disestablishing the Families Commission, can she confirm what of this work will be included in the work programme for the Social Investment Agency?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EFellow members, I\u2019ve read the briefing to the incoming Minister from the Social Investment Agency and I commend that briefing to this House, because what that briefing outlines is a great range of work which is designed to make the lives of New Zealand\u2019s families better by harnessing data, by harnessing research, by taking what that tells us to focus resources where they can make the biggest difference\u2014not just putting money wherever it sounds good in a sound bite, but putting it where it makes the biggest difference. So I ask the Minister: what work that is disestablished from the Families Commission will now be included in the work programme for the Social Investment Agency?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EI\u2019m also\u2014like the previous member, Lawrence Yule, was\u2014very interested in this question of the Growing Up in New Zealand report. What that report shows us is that we have a whole lot of information in New Zealand about what it takes to support a child to grow up well and what is required to support a family to be strong. So, again, I ask: how is it that this Government is going to ensure that that contract is managed well, that the findings from it and that the data from it are put to use? We have seen an allergy on the other side of the House. We have seen a discomfort with the idea that we might use facts and data\u2014that we might harness them to better focus social investment. So I\u2019d like to hear from the Minister whether or not, in fact, the information we gain from the Growing Up in New Zealand report will continue to be used well for New Zealand taxpayers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EI then also want to ask that, in progressing this legislation, are we right to assume that the Government has decided to continue this legislation because it agrees with the former National Government that we should be realigning resources to ensure that we are supporting social investment? There have been some contradictory statements on that, and it is a presumption in this bill that that is what will continue. So I\u2019d like the Minister to discuss that in some detail, if she could.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EThere is a final question here that I think is very important, which is that, in doing a repeal bill like this, which this side of the House supports, we would like to know what responsibilities, resources, and contractual obligations the social policy evaluation and research unit is yet to delegate. We know that the former National Government was very efficient in ensuring that a number of those responsibilities and obligations were delegated to other agencies who could incorporate them into their work. But we remain interested in what further responsibilities and resources and contractual obligations are yet to be delegated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003ESpecifically, members, let\u2019s think about the work here that National saw could be put to better use if taken out of the Families Commission and put elsewhere. We looked at the Families and Wh\u0101nau Status Report, and we said, \u201CLet\u2019s put that into the Ministry of Social Development where it can be better integrated with other work.\u201D We took the example of the Family Violence Clearinghouse, and we said, \u201CLet\u2019s put that into the Ministry of Justice, where, again, we can integrate that to make sure that the decisions being made at the Ministry of Justice policy level better provide for New Zealand families.\u201D We took the Government\u2019s social science research hub and we put that into the Social Investment Agency. We also took the data, analytics, and insight functions of the Families Commission and put them into the Social Investment Agency.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003ESo it is right to ask the Minister: can we be assured that the Social Investment Agency is continuing to use that data, to use that work, in the way which the National Government presumed that it would, for the betterment of New Zealand families?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022 data-id=\u002200cfc1dd5e784eeead79bed9309942c9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002200cfc1dd5e784eeead79bed9309942c9\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for Social Development):\u003C/span\u003E Both speakers that have just spoken, Lawrence Yule and Nicola Willis, have asked what is happening with the resource. It\u2019s very clear in the bill, so I will just refer both members to Part 1, clause 5, and the relevant provisions in Schedule 1 provide for a disestablishment of the Families Commission in an orderly and manageable way. This will also minimise any potential disruption to stakeholders. Steps have already been under way to remove key functions from the Families Commission.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EThis work started before we got into Government. I just want to remind the member that just spoke: it\u2019s OK for us to agree on some things in this House. It\u2019s OK for all political parties to support a move. I have no qualms in saying that this shift started under the previous Government, and if they want to take pride in that, that\u2019s OK too. We\u2019re not going to argue about that; it\u2019s absolutely OK.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EAs the member said\u2014and I\u2019ll inform Lawrence Yule as well\u2014responsibility for the Growing Up in New Zealand longitudinal study and producing the annual Families and Wh\u0101nau Status Report has been transferred to the Ministry of Social Development, and they\u2019ve got quite a responsible Minister, I think! The accountability for the New Zealand Family Violence Clearinghouse has been shifted to the Ministry of Justice\u2014good Minister over there. The Hub, our one-stop shop for New Zealand\u2019s social science research, has moved to the Social Investment Agency.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003ESo the plans, in terms of where the resourcing would shift, were already under way; we\u2019ve just continued with that work. We\u2019re continuing to meet the deadline that had been set by the previous Government, which is the responsible thing to do. We didn\u2019t take a long period of time, in terms of considering this bill or putting it out for review or inquiry, because we all agree and the schedule and time line is already in place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EThe members also asked what we\u2019re doing with social investment. The member would know that I announced on Monday that we will be going out to consult with the public, with NGOs, with iwi, and with iwi organisations on our data protection use policy, but also on our approach, which is the \u201CInvesting for Social Wellbeing\u201D approach. If the member wants to know, I can tell her now that the key differences are that this Government\u2019s primary focus is not on fiscal liability; it\u2019s actually on the well-being of New Zealanders, and looking at ways that we can maximise human potential. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003EThe other difference is that we\u2019re not going to be so narrowly focused just on analytical data, because we believe that human experience, client experience, provider experience, and human conversations and interactions are really important as well\u2014so really extending it beyond where the previous Government were at, and also making sure that we build public trust around what we\u2019re doing, because there was such a lack of that with the previous Government and their social investment approach. Public trust, particularly with data, is integral to us being able to use data effectively. We need to do that because\u2014just like the previous Government wanted to do, but didn\u2019t quite get there\u2014we want to make sure that we\u2019re informing our services so that they are effective for the service users, for the clients, for the New Zealanders that need to access that support. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003ESo, in some ways, we\u2019re on the same page. I think the previous Government had the same intention, in some ways, as what we do; however, we have different beliefs and ways in which we think we need to get there. So those are the key differences, and I hope that that is a good enough explanation for that member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u002272064141bf6f426f944867844276f554\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002272064141bf6f426f944867844276f554\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (National\u2014Papakura):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I just really want to take a call to deal with some of the issues raised that I thought were very sensible\u2014well, not many, actually, from the Government, but anyway. I think one of the issues really is around this information. We\u2019ve heard quite a lot about the\u2014what is it called now?\u2014social well-being or something, that they want to do now rather than social investment. I think there is an acknowledgment that we actually have a lot of information about what works for families, what works for children in particular, what works for the elderly, what works generally. It used to be called common sense, but apparently it\u2019s not that common any more. We also know that we\u2019ve had some\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022077d6c80b55e479197dee87075e17a0d\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Dollars and sense help.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b0f42ec6f00643d196d2d312354a93fc\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014really great longitudinal studies. I wish that Mr Greg O\u2019Connor would be quiet\u2014silly man. We have great longitudinal studies out of Christchurch, out of Canterbury University, and out of Otago\u2014many of us have met with the people who run those. They\u2019ve looked at families over the years, and particularly young kids\u2014taken them up from birth, really; before birth even\u2014to see how they have coped in life and what has been thrown at them, and what has actually worked for them and what hasn\u2019t. Those longitudinal studies from New Zealand are quoted all over the world. I was very interested to hear once, when I was in the United States, that the New Zealand studies are considered to be world class and are looked at by other countries to see what they should do and help them inform their social policy. So it always felt, I think, that the Families Commission were already doing a job that was being very well done. But they did try to make the most of their opportunity to research.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EUltimately, I think most people don\u2019t like being the subject of research. They like to benefit from them, but actually they\u2019re sick of being looked at and poked and prodded and asked what they think. They actually want Governments and Government agencies, their families, their communities to help them, not to view them. People are not animals in a zoo, and even the animals in a zoo don\u2019t like being looked at and prodded, I\u2019m sure. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI think most people know exactly what\u2019s needed in families. The trouble is, of course, that knowing it is entirely different from actually delivering on it. I think the social investment policies of the National-led Government were an acknowledgment that we have, in many cases, families that we all know in our electorates\u2014in areas where list MPs are based or electorate MPs represent\u2014often no more than four, five, or six of them who have, it seems to me, a social agency at their door every day, if not more than one, and sometimes together and sometimes not. The issue has always been how to best use those vast resources of the State and the taxpayer to better help families and not make them more dependent, and actually help them to overcome their challenges in life, wherever possible, and to genuinely make their lives better.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI sometimes look at some of the interventions that Governments of all hues and whatever do, and agencies do, and I wonder sometimes if they do make things better for some families. I think in some cases they will, in many cases they will, but I often look at them and think: has much changed? And for some families, they actually haven\u2019t changed that much. Some people will say, \u201COh, they\u2019ve got worse in this case.\u201D, or \u201CThey\u2019ve got better in this case.\u201D But overall the State is a very, very bad parent. The State is an extraordinarily bad parent. When we look at the prison population we see, amongst everything else, that around 70 percent of the people in prison have been, at some stage, in the care of the State.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI don\u2019t blame the State for that at all, actually. I think the State tries its very best with very difficult situations, and I would say that children do not end up in the care of the State because their parents have been doing a fabulous job. They end up there, in most cases, because no responsible parent is caring for that child, and by the time they come into the care of the State, a tremendous amount of harm has been done to that child\u2014and why would we presume that that will just be overcome?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003ESo I think the Families Commission certainly looked at this issue very seriously. They did their best. But, ultimately, they\u2019re research papers. I think, too, that the longitudinal studies are actually the gold standard, the world standard. We do know that the Families Commission was something that Governments of both sorts had to put up with, and made the most of it. I don\u2019t wish to belittle the very earnest members of the Families Commission, who in many cases I know and are very responsible people who tried their best, but, ultimately, it was a creation of Parliament in 2003 for a political reason, and we continued it, as well. So let\u2019s just be frank about it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI\u2019m delighted that it\u2019s ending, because I think in many cases it was seen as some sort of panacea or band-aid and, ultimately, I think we all pretty much know\u2014although some would admit it more than others\u2014what actually makes a good life for kids; it is a good family, responsible parents. And if the parents aren\u2019t available or are not there or dead or whatever, it needs someone else who cares enough to say no, and that\u2019s someone who cares enough to make sure that kids go to school, that they have food, that they are clean, that they are clothed, and that they are loved. That is something that no commission can do. No commission and no State can love a child like a child needs to be loved, and that\u2019s what needed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u00226f543be36153469a820eafa657b3ba76\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226f543be36153469a820eafa657b3ba76\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. We heard from Minister Sepuloni about their view on social investment, which was more of a new-age, feel-good, \u201CKumbaya\u201D sort of approach towards social investment. I\u2019d be interested to hear from the Minister that\u2019s currently in the chair, Peeni Henare, about what he sees as what social investment is. So while they\u2019ve talked about the fact that it\u2019s all about the people and not about the money, can I say to the members that are over there, and the Ministers, that they\u2019ll find out very quickly\u2014and I\u2019m sure they have\u2014that the money is just as important as the approach they are taking.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ECan I remind the Government of the day and the members across the Chamber where that social investment actually came from and the line of inquiry\u2014because that\u2019s what they call it: it\u2019s a line of inquiry\u2014as to the reasons why we ask the questions that we ask.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EDiane Robertson, who was the previous commissioner for the Auckland City Mission, did a study called the 100 study. What it was was 100 clients that had come through their services. In that study, they\u2019d ask them the questions about the services that they received over a period of around about three months. As the review came back, the study was then amended and then also brought forward so that we could understand under the executive summary what were the key issues and what were the key findings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIt was out of one of those studies in particular that the Rt Hon Bill English\u2014and I do take a bit of an exception to Greg O\u2019Connor talking about the fact that there was a little bit of a flippant approach to social investment, because, out of that approach, here\u2019s one of the findings of that story. There was a mother who had two children. One of those children had Asperger\u2019s. So when she was looking for the social, health, and medical support that she needed\u2014in a period over three months, in particular\u2014she had 22 different service providers that she went and approached. Now, out of those 22, 95 percent of them did not give her the service that she needed, were not hospitable, and were not commendable to actually help her in any other way bar one service provider. And here\u2019s the one service provider that not only met her needs but accommodated for her and her children and found a way for her to achieve what she needed to achieve: that organisation was Instant Finance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d1d2c207c3444cdbf72a58d85473be7\u0022\u003EHon Iain Lees-Galloway\u003C/span\u003E: Is Instant Finance is this bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224043e64043c14574941c2c813f50fa8d\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll tell you what, this is a true study. It has to do with the bill\u2014this is about social investment; it\u2019s about the bill that\u2019s in line here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ce62d1af47c414e9b842466842744bd\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. As entertaining and as interesting as it is, this has nothing to do with the bill. It\u2019s not a debate on social investment; it\u2019s a debate on a bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002216b1b0296fbe4abf87304380b5157ab9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: That is solely for my judgment. This is quite a wide-ranging debate, now that we are taking it as one part. Social investment is certainly part of the discussion around the dissolution of the Families Commission.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e5332e3ec83413ebdff27688f7fe396\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. I think that\u2019ll be a great learning for the bearded elf on the other side. He may learn a little bit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca14bae911994100932e55649e95a1a5\u0022\u003EHon Iain Lees-Galloway\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. The member knows very well that he is to refer to other members by their proper name only.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e0d79e3772944ea8284ffdd1b3947f3\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: He does, indeed. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022edba53ca786b4d8984ef0e99378aa1b9\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise. The point that I\u2019m trying to make, which does relate to the bill\u2014and this is about research and evaluation, and the member can look at that; that\u2019s the reason why it\u2019s called the social policy evaluation and research unit\u2014was about the line of inquiry that the social investment approach was taking. It was not based because it was policy people that came together; it was based on actual practitioners and stakeholders that were on the ground working with family and wh\u0101nau. What they said was this: the system needs to change. In other words, there\u2019s a line of inquiry that needs to ask some pretty tough questions to the system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe reason why the Rt Hon Bill English took this\u2014and it\u2019s been part of his legacy that he leaves behind here in Parliament and in New Zealand\u2014was, first of all, to hold the mirror to the system itself, to all the Government departments, about the fact of how do we know that we\u2019re making a difference.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo here\u2019s the question: for every dollar that we invest, for every dollar that\u2019s taxpayer funded, into a system called the Government departments, how do we know it\u2019s making a difference for family and for wh\u0101nau? That was the line of inquiry that was asked\u2014hence the reason why it was holding them to account. While Mr O\u2019Connor gets up and talks about how it\u2019s about the Public Service putting their feet up\u2014no, it wasn\u2019t, but it was asking them that hard question: how do we know that we\u2019re making a difference? That\u2019s the line of inquiry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThis is not about feel-good. This is not a \u201CKumbaya\u201D. This is more than just about the people; it\u2019s about how the system best serves the people. So I have to say, the question now to the Minister who\u2019s sitting there is this: will they continue the same line of inquiry? Yes, you\u2019ve said you\u2019re going to take up the social investment. You\u2019ve then appropriated the different roles and responsibilities to the Government of the day. Sorry Madam Chair\u2014they\u2019ve appropriated different roles of responsibilities out to the different Ministers, the joint Ministers that are responsible. The question that I have is this: will you still follow the line of inquiry that asks the tough questions to Government departments? Will you then say to them this: \u201CHow do you know\u2014\u201D. Oh sorry, Madam Chair, I do apologise; I\u2019ve been using your name.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022f13bbef9fa0a4e7cb252ae419ae96fdf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f13bbef9fa0a4e7cb252ae419ae96fdf\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sorry to interrupt the member, but the time has come for me to report progress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThe Chairperson reported progress on the Families Commission Act Repeal Bill, and no progress on the Social Security Legislation Rewrite Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2018051020d79a7b74b443eba690afc21e70c809000607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 5.57 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"