"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00225c410e9824734d7cb6aa27e1bff6c622\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 21 JUNE 2018\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022455c7ed2adf5413e92632ac274a50319\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 21 JUNE 2018\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000004\u0022\u003EKarakia.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022766aa8d0d5bd414caf259846989465ac\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229efdfbaf16a44c47b3ae35aa276aa9a5\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u002206212525510e4ae7b473e15d56d81e40\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002206212525510e4ae7b473e15d56d81e40\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Consideration of legislation next week will include the first reading of the Local Government Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill, the second reading of the Overseas Investment Amendment Bill, the remaining stages of the Land Transport Management (Regional Fuel Tax) Amendment Bill, and the Taxation (Neutralising Base Erosion and Profit Shifting) Bill. The remaining stages of the Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki Claims Settlement Bill will be completed on Thursday, 28 June. All things going according to plan, Wednesday, 28 June will be a members\u2019 day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022584236e8906c464985e3e1060212f644\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002281f80cc09b30414d8c19fe5e73cf0c92\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022413c4a96ebb54a358df99fc30583e176\u0022\u003EPrime Minister\u2014Confidence in Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u002203dddfefe5a943d18c7b720bf859aacf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002203dddfefe5a943d18c7b720bf859aacf\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Deputy Leader\u2014National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he have confidence in all his Ministers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u00222212a23fc35f4ec49f319df6e6441b7e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222212a23fc35f4ec49f319df6e6441b7e\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Acting Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243baacc323dc443e88352246d89d6da2\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: How can he have confidence in the Minister in charge of the Overseas Investment Amendment Bill, David Parker, when it has been reported he has close personal relationships with high-end property developers who have sought exemptions from the bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f06ddbbe9b043f2b25723021871f022\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: The reality is that we inherited that deal from a former Minister Steven Joyce, who did not go through the consultation process, and if Amy Adams knew anything about the law she would know that full well. That being the case, Treasury gave us one set of advice, and the Speaker referred to a separate set of advice. As a consequence, we\u2019ve acted on the Speaker\u2019s advice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b01be056c9604c8eb922be9badc776f7\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: How can he have confidence in his Minister in charge of the Overseas Investment Amendment Bill, when he said, \u201CWe want the prices of New Zealand homes, whether it be a lakeside station, the best [homes] in the Bay of Islands or \u2026 modest homes in our towns and cities, to be set by local buyers, not on the international market \u2026 New Zealanders should not be outbid by wealthier foreign buyers.\u201D, when that Minister\u2019s own bill now excludes exemptions allowing that to occur?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a2d465de78c24901a891445c5309efd3\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: That summation by that member is demonstrably wrong. For land and for houses, that statement is totally false. What is true\u2014because we do listen to the market, and being so close to it, we do understand how it works\u2014is we\u2019ve ensured there are some exemptions where apartments are concerned.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c9c72e12fbf49e7a463732473432a2f\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does he have confidence in his Minister of Foreign Affairs, who has expressed concern about New Zealanders being outbid when buying land by wealthier foreign buyers but now supports a bill that proposes exempting those wealthier foreign buyers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002259d3182e79a54b97b3429b44a19b92fc\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before I allow the question, I want an assurance from the questioner that the statement was made as the Minister of Foreign Affairs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002265028e440fba48638bcdb93a76de5055\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to that, sir, I purposely left it quite broad and not a direct quote, where he has expressed concern repeatedly in many contexts and while the Minister of Foreign Affairs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ed2817da3864917b4bd7bd444b7b278\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, the question was whether the statement was made as Minister of Foreign Affairs as opposed to the leader of the New Zealand First Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297da2bb0680b4debb33dacd5cdfb3488\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: I haven\u2019t given a direct quote of a statement made by the Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002292dc3233a45a4b5cb2695221d3ebc45d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: What I\u2019m going to do is give the member another chance to get a question which is within order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201880aba471d489f9ca2d20e695167c1\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, sir. Does he have confidence in his Minister of Justice, Andrew Little, when he said in this House last week that he defined a prison officer who was grabbed on the buttock, squeezed quite hard, and then followed and intimidated by the prisoner as suffering \u201Ca pinch on the bottom\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220281a2179ff84c80af0c86e2e58b3e2c\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: What I do have is confidence in a justice Minister who understands\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c80374da1e7476dae76165912f81687\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Just answer the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002263deab5f71214e958a8645f6a5d3c4a9\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014I\u2019ll answer the question if you\u2019ll just give me a chance to, Mr Smith, not make that poppycock type of shouting you do every day in this House, to every question. Can I say I have confidence in a Minister of Justice who understands the gradations in levels of sexual offending and he expressed one. What would the member do?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a22aee5742c848a8947bb1f937dd5c26\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does he consider a woman grabbed in the workplace for a prolonged period of time and followed and intimidated to be the victim of an indecent assault?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c765c99a1dd9474fa377dedd092ddbb7\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Depending on the facts and not the hypotheticals, and if the facts were proven, that would be a sexual assault, yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022321e5c64f38e41b5a595f1de1be2ec7d\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: How can he have confidence in his Parliamentary Under-Secretary to the Minister for Ethnic Communities, Michael Wood, when he said, \u201CThe office of Ethnic Communities is moving into premises in Onehunga, which will be shared with list MP Priyanca Radhakrishnan. We\u2019ve boosted that support that we\u2019re providing in terms of connecting with ethnic communities, so we have more staff members working in our ethnic communities outreach teams.\u201D, and the editor of the Onehunga Community News says she has a recording of him saying that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f7560bb15d841deaf1a646716bf57bb\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The comments made by Michael Wood were made in his capacity as a local member of Parliament, and the first part of the quote that Paula Bennett mentions is not actually a quote. It is a reporter\u2019s reporting. It is not a quote of anything that Michael Wood said.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002248d4c418c9864f8bbca17efa0dccd41b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can I first\u2014[Interruption] No, sorry, I\u2019m going to deal with this matter first. Can I first check with the Hon Paula Bennett whether the first part of what she indicated was a quote was in fact contained in quotation marks in the publication in question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022191066a6952645288ad5225620e5de48\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, sir, it was.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fdb6c50b798049e4a2842fecc77938d8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. Right, the Acting Prime Minister will answer the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220bffbaafc32d45d79272c938be172601\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just say that the reports on the opening of the labour office were wrong. They were misreported. And the office is a labour office for\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af69ed5b0d1e4566b3967aeb7ef5d131\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a tape recording.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f2d309636e54436be7c35ff32c174e9\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: I beg your pardon?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022839e6191ada24432beb265c8c2af8c35\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: There\u2019s a tape recording.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237c8eb8121854c118d6e969351367b22\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: The office is a labour office for ethnic communities funded by Parliamentary Service, not an office of ethnic community services.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002234edf6ebb92e4eb5914c571aa6337dec\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Prime Minister be asking to hear the recording from the Onehunga Community News as they believe they have a direct quote from the under-secretary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f35e02431dc142fba9ff2d49c5cd23b3\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: What the Prime Minister will be doing is asking that member to produce a report to this Parliament and back up her allegations. [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229fcfea1e0ad447a796ebfb80d2cdafcc\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Nathan Guy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226aaac1bb2fe948c9a313a6095ae60375\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Can he have confidence that his Parliamentary Under-Secretary to the Minister for Ethnic Communities is not misusing taxpayer-funded money by having offices of bureaucrats attached to Labour electorate offices?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d4372b7cf08d4c79be8c67efeb4b8f4d\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Because of my last two answers, and more importantly, if that member wants to make that allegation, please turn up in in Parliament with the proof, and then we\u2019ll be able to examine the evidence. But I and my colleagues are just too busy to do her work for her.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c8d1b1276e9348f7a88dc48638ba1364\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek leave to table the article from the Onehunga Community News. I know that we don\u2019t normally table media articles, but this is not a widely circulated publication. Anybody looking at it will see that there are no quotation marks over the statement that Paula Bennett has told the House was a quote. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022483a3ad3a794408484106195ceed42f4\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not going to put it to the House; I am going to ask the member to give it to Paula Bennett so that she, if appropriate, can correct her statement to me, which would be a serious misleading if it was correct. Further supplementary? Sorry, you\u2019ve finished?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b67993baa86c443ba897139923471465\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m done, thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022436e8782bfed41909b8aae2c60080449\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224aaf0af96e204f0fbd3e8c39d8a15448\u0022\u003EEconomy\u2014Government Policies\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022 data-id=\u0022033fd23b52204948a173644f706e7e4b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022033fd23b52204948a173644f706e7e4b\u0022\u003EWILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Will this Government\u2019s policies help transition the economy; if so, how?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u002252b31208f3a640dcac71e079b4a946fb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002252b31208f3a640dcac71e079b4a946fb\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Yes. The Government is ambitious for New Zealand\u2019s economy. Through our research and development tax credit we\u2019re encouraging Kiwi businesses to look at how they can do new things in different ways. Through our initiatives, such as the Green Investment Fund, we\u2019ll be working with the private sector to make investments that benefit New Zealanders in the present, without compromising our ability to meet our future needs, and through our Provincial Growth Fund we\u2019re investing to ensure New Zealanders in the regions get the same opportunities to fulfil their potential as those living in our main centres. This Government has put in place the policies to help transition our economy to one that is more productive, more sustainable, and more inclusive.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af844c6738df4a11933376c813e05ea3\u0022\u003EWillow-Jean Prime\u003C/span\u003E: Why is this transition necessary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b115563ff48b45b28ff7a5b86f2188ee\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, if we look back at New Zealand\u2019s growth over recent years, it\u2019s very clear why it\u2019s necessary. First, we\u2019ve seen growth driven by an out-of-control housing market and population growth\u2014that\u2019s not sustainable. Nor is it sustainable to ignore both our international obligations on climate change and the damage to New Zealand\u2019s brand and reputation in the world from failing to shift to a lower carbon economy. Secondly, the growth we\u2019ve seen has not translated into meaningful improvements to many New Zealanders\u2019 lives. That\u2019s why this Government is changing our focus to an economy that is more sustainable and inclusive.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022576ce82f534b4fb6b738ed43dc8a6a41\u0022\u003EWillow-Jean Prime\u003C/span\u003E: What will a successful economic transition look like?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f63d084fcead4ec2960f44c4720fed71\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: A successful transition will result in an economy where we have productive businesses that can do more with what they have, sustainable growth that meets our needs without compromising our ability to do so in the future, and inclusive growth that improves the well-being of all New Zealanders and enables a just transition for businesses and communities. This transition will take time, but we have the building blocks in place, and we can see today in the GDP numbers that the transition is beginning, with growth in business services, information, media, and telecommunications\u2014major contributors to GDP growth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295b380b2850a48a0a2c8c4bdef3559d4\u0022\u003EHon AMY ADAMS\u003C/span\u003E: How is this Government helping transition the economy to becoming more productive when Statistics New Zealand figures published just this morning show real per capita growth is going backwards and is now at its lowest level since 2011?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229270e2642dc149dab927efbcf882e5da\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Before the member answers I just want to say to the people in both those quadrants at the back, can they keep their mouths shut while questions are being asked.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221900adbde9084062b6e8f98689f83d0f\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: What the release from Statistics New Zealand shows today is that GDP growth for the quarter was in line with what economists were expecting. Thirteen of 16 industries grew in the quarter; annual GDP growth was 2.7 percent, in line with the OECD average; and, interestingly, business investment is up 5.5 percent year on year, compared with 3.7 percent in the previous year under that member\u2019s party. Businesses are investing in the economy. The member should join in. [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220783aeec8d714a9797406871e55dba38\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, the member\u2014I\u2019m going to ask her to read her question again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022719154f8d5114d7296e5cd661784b70e\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: How is this Government helping the economy to transition to being more productive when Statistics New Zealand figures released just this morning show real per capita GDP growth is going backwards and is at its lowest level since September 2011?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab48452440144556a999aabf3a141a8b\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: The way that this Government is making the transition, as the member asked, is exactly what I\u2019ve just spent three answers answering\u2014that we are going to invest in the productive part of our economy, practically, through initiatives like the Provincial Growth Fund and the Green Investment Fund, rather than the previous Government relying on people selling houses to one another and the population growing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221297e830e9bc4649a1bd7127c1fff2b4\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Well, does he agree that GDP per capita growth is what matters most for achieving higher material living standards and that falling GDP per capita is showing that New Zealanders were working harder and harder for less, with both of those statements having been made by Grant Robertson?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228933038b2ebc4e5698feca8aa0418039\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: And what a sensible member Grant Robertson, Opposition MP, was. What I would say to that member is GDP per capita will increase once we move to a more sustainable, more productive, and inclusive economy. I would also suggest to the finance spokesperson for the Opposition that she perhaps listen to her predecessor, who said that it was unwise to look at quarterly numbers because they go both up and down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227374300b336b4de08305d16ec5625df7\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1 to Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u00226d702b33908f464ba5c4419f3832c987\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226d702b33908f464ba5c4419f3832c987\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Deputy Leader\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I seek to clarify a previous discussion that we had, if I may.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228109f72f62bd4a1dab4fe62d8b2bb5e6\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: You seek to make a personal explanation in order to correct a previous statement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b87072b0662494aa37915bf82c62f03\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, sir\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf58c21e73da466990f0703ec023a60f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry\u2014first of all, is there any objection? There is none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022917b8bc9f0964225a2eca684ab2f6188\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: The first part that I said had been quoted in the newsletter had not. It is what the editor maintains Mr Wood had said to her. The second part that was in quotes was. I made an error, and I apologise for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dfa31d72502f4a00b9eb5f025434a2f0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226c21f71574404874810270e4ffe9430a\u0022\u003EOverseas Investment Amendment Bill\u2014Te \u0100rai Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022 data-id=\u00227c10376420ff4568a5629d63cbe96748\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227c10376420ff4568a5629d63cbe96748\u0022\u003EHon AMY ADAMS (National\u2014Selwyn)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Finance: What is the purpose of the Overseas Investment Amendment Bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u0022114a1b69472541b996a3ed1b8f0935e2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022114a1b69472541b996a3ed1b8f0935e2\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Associate Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E There are three main purposes. The first is to ban foreign buyers of existing New Zealand homes; the second is to bring forestry registration rights into the overseas investment screening regime to ensure they\u2019re treated similarly to existing screening for freehold and leasehold forests, whilst at the same time streamlining screening for forestry to encourage foreign direct investment in the forestry sector; and the third and equally important purpose is to preserve policy space for future Governments to protect the rights of New Zealanders to own their own land. This policy space would, in practice, have been lost for ever had this Government not acted to do these things before the Comprehensive and Progressive Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) comes into effect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224d63a7f928384505bfc140436ce472ab\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Was it the policy intent of the bill for developers of multimillion-dollar homes targeted at foreign buyers, such as the Te \u0100rai property development, to be exempt?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d2bdd23fb97a4f6ab7c19a629cc9c706\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. The transitional exemption that was put forward but has been ruled out of order was put forward with the intent of helping the iwi who had suffered long delays on the project. It was a time-limited, transitional measure. There was advice from Treasury that this was procedurally appropriate to allow an exemption. However, the Speaker has advised that the select committee\u2019s recommendation is not within the Standing Orders. The Government accepts the Speaker\u2019s ruling, and therefore the transitional exemption will not proceed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b22f21887f9e415893347d23e47206ee\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Well, is it his intention to promulgate regulations under the Overseas Investment Amendment Bill to exempt the Te \u0100rai development, or any other development linked to John Darby, from the provisions of that legislation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d376ad39609646c5a07ecf277f4a548c\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, and, indeed, the other regulation-making power in the bill\u2014and the member will know this because she was on the select committee\u2014would not allow such an exemption.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a468c471c19421f9d4f29a88eb25c2c\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Could I ask the Minister: under this visionary and responsible policy, what proportion of New Zealand homes will no longer be able to be purchased by a foreign buyer outbidding a New Zealander?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8359db8ecd24cbebf9ad4763b5ee87b\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: There are currently 1.8 million homes in New Zealand, and more than 20,000 new homes will be built over the next year. Under this law, foreigners cannot buy any of the 1.8 million existing homes and can only purchase a fraction of the 20,000 new homes that would be built and would then have to either onsell them or lease them to New Zealanders. The bill as reported back from select committee ensures that more than 99 percent of New Zealand homes will not be able to be sold to foreigners.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246d8aff4e4d74bee9b184a30369bb948\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Was the bill\u2019s process subject to any time pressure due to the need to pass it before the CPTPP is ratified?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c3ace3b2c0b42d8b6ebb6485c3cf35c\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf30b6c746454946bdb60b94ad8e4b74\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Is that why it\u2019s such a dog\u2019s breakfast of inconsistent amendments now?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258cda87347ac422ebb44c614631434cc\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: It isn\u2019t. It\u2019s actually quite a complex bill. We don\u2019t want to in Auckland stop some foreign direct investment in multi-storey apartment buildings that are going to be onsold or leased. That is probably the most important change that has been made at select committee, but it remains true that a foreigner will not be able to buy any existing home in New Zealand, and, as I said, more than 99 percent of New Zealand homes will not be open to purchase.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1bb3afa495249c88aee189a9e68cece\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Since becoming the Minister responsible for the Overseas Investment Amendment Bill, has he had any discussions about the bill and the proposed Te \u0100rai development exemption with the chairperson of the Finance and Expenditure Committee, Michael Wood; and if so, when?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207dc08df20b34ad880c60dddb7f95c16\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Obviously on a number of occasions, but I do that with every bill that I\u2019m responsible for.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224829b2df4c5d4617bcd8ff1ebb6ebf81\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Since becoming a Minister has he met, corresponded with, spoken to, or texted John Darby or Ric Kayne, as the beneficial owners of the Te \u0100rai development, or any representative of their business interests; and if so, for what purpose?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f20b81c61149416399046249a40903e5\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. I know thousands of people in New Zealand, including Mr Darby. I have bumped into him probably once or twice in the last decade. The last time I can recall talking to him was when I bumped into him, and it\u2019s so long ago I can\u2019t remember when it was.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ebc975024b44415abf67366121361db7\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Well, since becoming a Minister, has he met, corresponded with, spoken to, or texted any representative of John Darby and Ric Kayne\u2019s lobbying firm Thompson Lewis; and if so, for what purpose?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d70a9b0e4c043898c1efdd85e49bcce\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Everyone in the House will know that GJ Thompson actually was the acting chief of staff here, so I\u2019ve regularly spoken with him\u2014unfortunately for the member, not about this issue. Someone made me aware that Mr Lewis had some involvement in this. I have not spoken to Mr Lewis about this at all, nor corresponded with him. The two meetings that I can recall having with Mr Lewis since we were elected were in respect of carbon rights and forestry, and members of staff were present at those meetings to witness them, as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220a8ae6a92e114e068879fe9402b42c86\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister saying that notwithstanding his proximity and the Government\u2019s proximity to Mr Thompson, this is evidence that the Government is not corruptible on this matter and would somewhat suggest that Mr Thompson was far more successful with the previous Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229684723819ed42feb72b00d5738afdf0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I\u2019m going to allow the Minister to answer the question. I am going to deduct two supplementary questions from the Opposition for the interjections from the acting shadow Leader of the House and the finance spokesperson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c100e346a01a4e61937fe845921b72ca\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Accepting that punishment, I should have perhaps taken the point of order quickly in order to\u2014rather than try and draw your attention to what I think is a breach of the Standing Orders. It is certainly out of order in this House to suggest that something infers corruption. I would suggest that the opposite also applies\u2014that a question can\u2019t contain a suggestion that something lacks corruption or corruptibility.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221563db2e661746c78c63dfbba64d2821\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I totally disagree with the member. I think that the first part of the question was certainly in order. The second part wasn\u2019t. I was waiting to see if the Acting Prime Minister could use\u2014what he sometimes does\u2014his deft skills to bring things which are apparently out of order into order. He didn\u2019t and therefore I ruled out the second part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fb2a999d3d884eeda4645f34bf1122ae\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I\u2019m not challenging; I just want to explain why I raised it in the way that I did. The inference is not in the way the Acting Prime Minister asked the question; it was in the fact that it inferred that the Hon Amy Adams could have inferred it in her questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225259e9a0b84c4a7a83d608ae0eb91a5c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It couldn\u2019t infer anything. It might have implied something; you inferred it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec2349fbb7c54c0e863901da0d7b6e61\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: The involvement of either Mr Thompson or Mr Lewis in this had no effect on my decision. The advice we had received from Treasury to the select committee, based on public submissions that were heard by all, was that this was an iwi-based development that had suffered interminable delays, and we had some sympathy for their position\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228eab027ff58d49caa684de51ea69aaac\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Iwi-based?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229fdf829be1bf4347b093006a0ea120e5\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, that is as it was described to me, Amy Adams, and the paper trail will show that. The paper trail will show that. We had some sympathy for that position, and so we were willing to agree to a transitional provision. We wanted it to be tight because we didn\u2019t want there to be exemptions up and down the land, which is why the other regulation-making power is narrow, so that if future Governments want to unwind the ban on foreign buyers, they\u2019re going to have to do it by primary legislation and not sneak it through by ministerial discretion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022642d862372d34f8c81ff42eb37cf1322\u0022\u003EJustice, Minister\u2014Statements on Indecent Assault of Corrections Officer\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022 data-id=\u0022379b2c72844c4493a7ca4eebb4700075\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022379b2c72844c4493a7ca4eebb4700075\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL (National\u2014Rodney)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Justice: Does he stand by his statement in answer to Oral Question No 8 on Tuesday that \u201CThe member is alluding to the offender I referred to in a question last week, relating to the pinching of a prison officer\u2019s bottom\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u00228372c4ecf7c94ddba5c479b0bf2cc0a7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228372c4ecf7c94ddba5c479b0bf2cc0a7\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E I stand by all statements in the totality of the issue that that member is referring to, which also included statements that this particular offending was offensive, unwelcome, and totally unacceptable, and I also stand by my statements to the effect that the consequence of that offending should not have been seven years\u2019 jail without parole.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295d668ca98cd4cfc86a6220adbd38bc1\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: When the Minister made that statement, had he read the sentencing note in relation to the indecent assault offence?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb87031cfc23486e96c387d05a0a81e0\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: No, I had not. I relied on reports in the New Zealand Herald about the nature of that offending. And I go back to the point that I have been very clear and my track record on issues of sexual harassment and sexual violence is very clear, and I take no moral lesson from that member and his party, who had a Minister of Justice who, when he had the opportunity to let the Law Commission do its work on changing the nature of trials for sexual offending so they did not traumatise victims and re-victimise victims, told the Law Commission to stop doing its work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c701bd6447774f518cdf25bf49fe299f\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: Why is the Minister commenting on and characterising an indecent assault on a female corrections officer, when he hasn\u2019t even read the sentencing notes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294d78fe4433b47eeb74e4481e10804a8\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: That member is completely wrong, because the issue was all about the consequences of that particular offending. In that particular case, the offender was convicted, the offender was sentenced, but it was circumstances in which that offender was facing seven years\u2019 jail without parole. This Government is not going to have and continue that party\u2019s promotion of American-style justice, with over-the-top, disproportionate sentencing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea9b81dbb3024df9ac14cbd0c59ed909\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: Does he acknowledge that the victim in fact had her buttock grabbed hard and held by the offender, and when she tried to get away the offender followed her and grabbed a gate to prevent her from leaving, which left her, in her own words, feeling totally degraded, vulnerable, and uneasy when performing her work duties?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002255eeb13db8e245bebde5e438f981eaf9\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: I accept what that member says, and it would be nice if that member and his colleagues had said more when they had a leader who molested a hospitality worker repeatedly by pulling her hair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227e15c3704b644a88a27055e78e2a32e3\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The suffix to that answer is entirely out of order and it should have been brought to account very quickly. He had no ministerial responsibility for that, not even in his capacity or in the time frame.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b6e33a3d0a28490684f40b3ecc213cc0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I think a very serious accusation was being levelled at this Minister, and I think what he was trying to do was contrast approaches. This is generally a robust Chamber. That was a very robust questioning line from the Hon Mark Mitchell, and I think that the response, while it went right up to the edge and was unusual, was not out of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246547c2770ad4179aefa8345bc845145\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to that point of order\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5a5b4e8de12482e8ce115fb3ad41364\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. Well, I\u2019ll give the member another go, but I don\u2019t want him to relitigate my ruling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022788629edb98941cd943e99a52549545a\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not going to, but I am going to suggest that it is a slippery slope to the bottom if, rather than rejecting or refuting the question, we get into some sort of tit-for-tat \u201CWho was worse at what?\u201D Regardless of the merits of the answer, I would suggest that that is going to cause disorder in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5f80713e90f411baef3f8ae2e864792\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I agree with the member, and I don\u2019t want that situation to occur, but when a Minister\u2019s values are being questioned, as they were, then one can expect a robust response.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022163fb941bf404d1b9cdd4bd61e1762a2\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Just to clarify: that question wasn\u2019t laying any criticism; it was asking if he acknowledged what actually happened to the victim in that case.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022590d6c2cc15945f4b4b19ae31477bf2a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It was part of a series of questions which were robust.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d427f3cc7274a629ef3a37e942eacf2\u0022\u003EHon David Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, my God!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e2c1fa1ac5b417280a2f7901780b6dd\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: David Bennett, was that you?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022643b7e45a06549dc87a7d62c5064bc6c\u0022\u003EHon David Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c1674925776c45a1835b55662b8b74b9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Stand up, withdraw, and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022afab80efe7c2406183db1917a09584f1\u0022\u003EHon David Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225fa8ce2ace2349d08c94d499cacb3e78\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: Does he understand the words and characterisation that he chose to use in relation to an indecent assault on a female corrections officer has sent an appalling message to prison inmates and may have increased the risk, particularly for female corrections officers, in their own workplace?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f742370ead694aceb19fd623158b1067\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t accept that member\u2019s characterisation of the consequences of what I have said. I have been very clear about my attitude towards, and actions on, issues involving sexual harassment and sexual violence, which is a step way better than members opposite.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221b1ffcc9818140f89533e26d4751a851\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: Will he apologise to the growing number of women who are deeply offended and feel his characterisation of an indecent assault against a female corrections officer as New Zealand\u2019s justice Minister is totally inappropriate?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002274a8c3dd29bc4bffaed7209528473819\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: Since nothing I said conveyed that meaning, I think the most important thing is actually for members opposite, who allowed their Minister of Justice to stop the Law Commission doing work that would have made trials on sexual offences a lot better for victims of sexual violence\u2014she stopped it in its tracks. That was wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223a847512fb8a4c93bf6bb66c31d1cb7c\u0022\u003EGreater Christchurch Regeneration\u2014Symposium on Lessons From Canterbury Earthquake Sequence\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022 data-id=\u0022a246c11867e14afeb9cff12cc207265b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a246c11867e14afeb9cff12cc207265b\u0022\u003EDr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E What announcements has she made about learning the lessons from the Canterbury earthquake sequence to help New Zealanders prepare for the future?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022d5e5d6a37e784e479eda761c95de2e47\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d5e5d6a37e784e479eda761c95de2e47\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before the Minister answers, who made that interjection? [Interruption] Sorry, we have two, including a Minister, I understand, wanting to answer a question fairly soon. I think both sides of the House need to know we\u2019ve moved on to the next question. We might be returning to the issue soon, but in the interests of the Minister who is to answer the question, the question should be asked without interjection. Dr Webb, ask it again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022 data-id=\u002283a24fb96e1f4d0bbcdf44d4285788b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002283a24fb96e1f4d0bbcdf44d4285788b9\u0022\u003EDr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Greater Christchurch Regeneration: What announcements has she made about learning the lessons from the Canterbury earthquake sequence to help New Zealanders prepare for the future?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u00223cb52d0c9d654d3abb4efb4a68198a73\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223cb52d0c9d654d3abb4efb4a68198a73\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister for Greater Christchurch Regeneration):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m delighted to share that, in partnership with the Christchurch City Council, a symposium has been scheduled for 29 and 30 November this year. A series of workshops will also be held in the build-up to the event. Around 250 people are expected to attend the symposium, including people from a range of experience and expertise: community and voluntary groups, the public and private sector, as well as academics. I\u2019m thrilled to see this Government committed to delivering this event\u2014something the previous Government was not able to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d23ce5fe043448749b538bdf47ac4aa2\u0022\u003EDr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: What topics can she expect the symposium and workshops to cover?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224336e5e6a0e44124b4d7989412d7c7cf\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: While the content of the symposium is still being developed, I can announce that the preceding four-part workshop series is currently being organised on the themes of social and psychosocial recovery, recovery leadership and governance, procurement delivery models, and supporting business recovery. The Canterbury earthquake sequence affected every part of Cantabrians\u2019 lives and had deep psychological impacts. I\u2019m pleased to see a range of topics that have been identified and will be discussed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002211b8c43bdf8c4ecda77859ced8e8bea3\u0022\u003EDr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: How does the symposium fit with the Government\u2019s wider programme of work to advance the recovery of Christchurch?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002218f5d1f220d34895a39f04aee7566053\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m pleased to say that there is a cohesive programme of work under way to ensure the voices of people affected by the earthquakes are heard. These include extending the funding for the Residential Advisory Service, free and independent advice to homeowners who are experiencing conflict with insurers, including the Earthquake Commission (EQC); introducing a bill into Parliament which proposed common-sense legislative amendments to the Act, including increasing the EQC building cap, removing cover for contents, clarifying EQC\u2019s ability to share information, and extending the time frame EQC can accept claims; appointing an independent ministerial adviser, whose recommendations EQC is implementing, including increasing the number of settlement teams in the Christchurch business unit working to settle Canterbury earthquake claims. We\u2019ve also recently announced that the Government is launching a public inquiry into EQC, as well as a special insurance tribunal to resolve outstanding earthquake and insurance claims. Budget 2018\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad103ef277a0483994344aff1334c446\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dfb23abd78d0464fa83e6d3e80be74fc\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, there\u2019s such a long list.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022affc48cec5694315a01fc1fa4481c807\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And the Minister\u2019s finished for today. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EQuestion time interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c9cbd000bba64556b98362a8d7f9fd93\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002201ec1e32fd7046cfa25ff8c563d7ce07\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022229891ff7cc042a193340e41a8a68b10\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022229891ff7cc042a193340e41a8a68b10\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to make a minor correction to the Business Statement that I delivered to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d1560d43c834c218b8eaaaecde1adc5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is there any objection to that? There appears to be none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c6f086e26234087abad572e9335709f\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: Apparently, in the Business Statement I said that Wednesday, the 28th would be a members\u2019 day. Of course members with a calendar will know that Wednesday, the 27th next week will be a members\u2019 day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002232da95f9f4934b7a9b22f4534b421d4a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002232da95f9f4934b7a9b22f4534b421d4a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s a problem that Ministers have when they prepare Business Statements under urgency.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EQuestion time resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002274e713806be04ac590146a4c74b675e5\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022686f7b52bbd24860907bdd731a2469c9\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ff8c36a75034479e9f96f4c38620b0ef\u0022\u003EWomen\u2014Workplace Sexual Assault\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u0022f9d34443e29845d09183d6d649b47e4a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f9d34443e29845d09183d6d649b47e4a\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Deputy Leader\u2014National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Women: Is it her responsibility to stand up for and improve the outcomes for women in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022 data-id=\u0022daa5dc041eb64eaabb663d91697a9dba\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022daa5dc041eb64eaabb663d91697a9dba\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER (Minister for Women):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. Yes, absolutely.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e471d033a9c6429f92e329c2940cd2db\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does she still think that \u201CMany women have had unsafe experiences in the workplace. This needs to stop.\u201D; and, if so, does she consider the grabbing of a woman\u2019s buttock in her place of work to be an indecent assault?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002254a911240bbd4032bdbb9f0544df6c4a\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: In response to the first part of the question, yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022945c2aec55ff4de2beca2391e038a5d0\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister agree that an indecent assault\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002272937dd76ed8451185b243ea6175de25\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, sorry. I am going to ask the member to ask the question again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278d921de90d540c8bc9e75f2627af2a8\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: Do I have to answer both parts?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225606ce96c4474f8a84cd8de2e69eca41\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I know there were two parts. They were very clear and it is something which is very important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002216dd732970534ff0aeed467359f9966d\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: My first supplementary: does she still think that \u201CMany women have had unsafe experiences in the workplace. This needs to stop.\u201D; and, if so, does she consider the grabbing of a woman\u2019s buttock in her place of work an indecent assault?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd8e0b382d284a2aa5b2f4c27a79dbc3\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I do consider it a very serious issue. Sexual harassment and assault in the workplace or anywhere else is serious, and that\u2019s why this Government is taking significant steps like having a cross-ministerial working group on sexual harassment and assault, which is being led by my colleague the under-secretary for sexual and domestic violence, Jan Logie. That\u2019s why we\u2019ve asked the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment to improve\u2014in fact, start for the first time collecting data on sexual harassment in the workplace. And it\u2019s very important that we do everything possible to ensure survivors of sexual and indecent assault are able to come forward and encouraged to come forward and make complaints.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022645950f83ab24d76999ebf96d766d34c\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does she believe it is trivialising sexual assault in the workplace when the Minister of Justice calls a woman at work who is grabbed on the buttock, then followed and intimidated, as merely a \u201Cpinch on the bottom\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a74916f8210431398a453b9ea0df1c1\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: I agree with the Minister of Justice when he said that indecent assault, including\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002275432757a6c9493085ecfbc9bde47fe7\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! Sorry, I am going to ask for this answer to be heard in silence. This is an important issue, and I think that having someone shouted down while they are giving an answer to it is inappropriate. The rest of this series of supplementary questions will be heard in silence. Start again, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223c898d0bba384637add1dd0c7d4a796b\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: As the Minister of Justice has said today and on previous days, indecent assault, including the case that the member is referring to, is insidious and unacceptable. I agree with him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ea0671288014ad686d8eb19a0c2ce85\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does she believe it is trivialising sexual assault in the workplace when the Minister of Justice calls a woman at work who is grabbed on the buttock, then followed and intimidated, as merely a, to quote him, \u201Cpinch on the bottom.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022992a465e7dd146059b14b928c3267eb1\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: I agree with the Minister of Justice when he said that indecent assault, including the case the member is referring to, is insidious and unacceptable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ddb9bf8dc464f2a8f3997183f58a7bc\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does she still think that \u201Cthe more people know about the scale of the problem, the more we can do to address it.\u201D; and, if so, does she think describing an indecent assault in the workplace as a low-level offence helps or hinders understanding of the scale of the problem that New Zealand workplaces have with sexual misconduct?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022200505010d034a4faa7e01b576ff16d1\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: It is absolutely the case that there is a problem with under-reporting of cases of sexual assault and indecent assault, and disproportionate sentences of seven years without parole under the three-strikes law make it harder for survivors to come forward and harder to convict people of assault.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f4a77c12f004d46acd596672007843a\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister think that trichophilia, which is an obsession with female hair, should also be an offence?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a6d8fb4d4b349de9a4ecd2eaacd9d6f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Not an area for responsibility.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229f66da1a312b469da5660f60357f9824\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Will she speak to the Minister of Justice about his appalling comments trivialising sexual assault in the workplace and ask him to publicly apologise to the hundreds, if not thousands, of women who feel hurt and stigmatised by his antiquated describing of \u201Ca pinch on the bottom\u201D comments?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a90621e63ce640c4a1d7f581693fb121\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: As I\u2019ve said earlier to this member, I agree with the Minister of Justice when he says indecent assault, including the case the member is referring to, is insidious and unacceptable. I believe that the Minister is doing very good work, including working very closely with my colleague the under-secretary for domestic and sexual violence, and ensuring that women have greater access to the type of justice and the type of support that they need from this Government, and I won\u2019t ask the Minister to apologise for raising issues with our broken criminal justice system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225f60225968314d3bbafac52fb35fc7af\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does she believe it\u2019s acceptable for the Minister of Justice to refer to a sexual assault in the workplace that stigmatised and traumatised a woman at work as merely a pinch on the bottom?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002225d2f0d45a6840ce8734ea1dda069548\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: I have every sympathy with the woman who experienced this at work. We take it very seriously and, like the Minister of Justice, I think that that case is insidious and unacceptable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227abe6608dab34cbf911e488c35a3b0c2\u0022\u003EFamilies Package\u2014Impact\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022 data-id=\u00223d4ab51e99e24c1c8c09f8a754fb19be\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223d4ab51e99e24c1c8c09f8a754fb19be\u0022\u003EPRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Social Development: Will low- and middle-income families be better off because of the Families Package; if so, how?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022 data-id=\u00224f1ab4a40dc24115b4d802d5fd46e3a8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224f1ab4a40dc24115b4d802d5fd46e3a8\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for Social Development):\u003C/span\u003E People will be better off due to some of the changes already in place, including the accommodation supplement increases and the reinstatement of the independent earner tax credit as of 1 April this year. Further changes effective as of 1 July that will support New Zealanders to be better off include the introduction of the winter energy and Best Start payments; increasing the Working for Families tax credit and abatement thresholds; increasing paid parental leave; and increasing the rate of the orphans\u2019 benefit, unsupported child\u2019s benefit, and foster care allowance. An estimated 384,000 families with children will be made better off by an average of $75 per week because of this Government\u2019s Families Package.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022040c320baace45f893485f5fbf42188a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m just going to say that that was a very extensive answer and I expect the supplementary answers, if there are any, to be short.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa2124b33fc8409eb34aece67ac2d36b\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: How do these changes work in practice?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220107286460e7407e9a773b954fafa715\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: There are lots of scenarios that could be used to show how the thousands of families will be better off. Here is one. The changes mean that after 1 July 2018, a couple with a five-year-old and a newborn born after 1 July living in Nelson earning $58,000 a year would be better off by $123.24 per week due to the Working for Families and Best Start changes, even when taking into account that their 1 April 2018 granted accommodation supplement will decrease by $4 when the 1 July measures kick in; $123.24 extra a week would mean a lot to many New Zealand families.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f532c55da4244fc3b6852118bd9d6270\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister received feedback about the Families Package?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226a86c04d23244baaa8ba17371b65d3ba\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: Yes\u2014lots of positive feedback on a range of the measures in the Families Package. One person wrote in saying, \u201CI wanted to sincerely thank you for the energy payment being made to my family members. This makes an enormous difference and relieves some worry from my mind about them not using heating to save money. It\u2019s honestly incredible.\u201D People are doing it tough but are starting to see a tangible\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b557b94d6b540e787f1f9df2d55cf16\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I think we\u2019ve got the general idea.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022cd3eeccaddfb4ef192f078ba87f1bb04\u0022\u003ETransport\u2014Fuel Tax Modelling and Projects\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022 data-id=\u002252d1cfbd3c404720b5591bd4fad2eb43\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002252d1cfbd3c404720b5591bd4fad2eb43\u0022\u003EJAMI-LEE ROSS (National\u2014Botany)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Transport: Does he stand by all his statements, actions, and legislative drafting instructions on matters to do with fuel taxes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022cd6d406ed850449fa5e997534f853a18\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cd6d406ed850449fa5e997534f853a18\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Transport):\u003C/span\u003E I do, including my statement that \u201CThe Opposition is asking us simultaneously to have less revenue, run less debt, and spend more. The maths [of that] just don\u2019t add up.\u201D National needs to come clean on what Auckland transport projects they would cut.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a49c7300ddc4f2fa8ebd10b3e2fbbe7\u0022\u003EJami-Lee Ross\u003C/span\u003E: Did he consider the formal modelling carried out by the Ministry of Transport to assess the possible impact of price spreading prior to issuing drafting instructions for the regional fuel tax bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258162afea3c34cac8a5c62c767e3f9ed\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, we did consider the advice around price spreading, and this Government has made very clear its attitude on price spreading to the fuel companies. We\u2019ve initiated changes to the Commerce Act, which will give the Commerce Commission more teeth to deal with anti-competitive behaviour. My colleague the Hon Megan Woods has called in BP to make very clear our attitude on anti-competitive behaviour. I\u2019ve directed officials to monitor price spreading. I think that the fuel companies are in no doubt about our attitude to this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c9e0a50831a4b9fb99b85fde3befbb1\u0022\u003EJami-Lee Ross\u003C/span\u003E: Did he read the formal modelling carried out by the ministry to assess the possible impacts of price spreading?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224491fee60ce943d99eb3441749a10852\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4ada74ef9114bdca0ee66235ad66ffd\u0022\u003EAnahila Kanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/span\u003E: What advice did he receive on the ability of the National Land Transport Programme to fund the promised projects when he came into office?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022965d5711c61f452aa0a32d4e3a6899c7\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I was advised that the transport plan that I inherited contained $4.5 billion more spending than revenue, and an 8.2c a litre increase in petrol excise and road-user charges would be needed just to balance the books. That didn\u2019t include the billions of dollars of unfunded expressways promised by the Opposition during the last election.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab8f7f73bb51444282fe949280477258\u0022\u003EAnahila Kanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/span\u003E: What projects does the regional fuel tax fund?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296f9986477104298aedeaf096da02647\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: The regional fuel tax will lead to $4.3 billion worth of investment\u2014$900 million for roading improvements and new roads, $750 million for the Auckland-Manukau Eastern Transport Initiative busway, $700 million for Mill Road and Penlink, $550 million for road safety, $400 million for electric trains, $340 million for walking and cycling, $330 million for bus improvements, and an additional $300 million for other public transport infrastructure. Without the regional fuel tax, there would be no money for these projects.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222bb04d19b653464b8977265719aa70f7\u0022\u003EJami-Lee Ross\u003C/span\u003E: How does he reconcile his answers this afternoon that he, firstly, considered the modelling done on possible price spreading, and read the modelling on possible price spreading, when the answer given to the Transport and Infrastructure Committee for the Estimates, to the question, \u201CWhat modelling has been done on the possible impact of price spreading as a result of regional fuel taxes?\u201D, was \u201CNo formal modelling has been carried out.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b12cf31ecedb4169828df6eb2c2fca62\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019ll have to go back and check the answer to that Estimates question. But my answer to the earlier question stands: there was advice on price spreading, I read it, and we subsequently made the decision to move ahead with the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022163d0b68-eb0e-4094-9bed-99e184f063e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002256b0a19ca86547e293621b25f5cbac34\u0022\u003EJami-Lee Ross\u003C/span\u003E: Is he in the habit of stating in the House that he has read advice on an issue, when answers that\u2014I\u2019ve checked with the Clerk\u2019s Office\u2014were provided by him to the select committee say no formal modelling was carried out? How can he say he read something but tell the select committee it didn\u2019t exist?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dff8de941e2f4063b1543bb80de79aae\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I told the member I\u2019ll go back and check the advice that was given to the select committee. But I\u2019m telling him again that there was advice on price spreading as an issue. I read it, and we subsequently made the decision to move ahead with the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ebde5844c68142d5aaf4f40f69f49988\u0022\u003EEnvironment\u2014OVERSEER Tool\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022 data-id=\u00227f2b8efd723949d1936fa16aacdd3d74\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227f2b8efd723949d1936fa16aacdd3d74\u0022\u003EANGIE WARREN-CLARK (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for the Environment: Is the Government assisting the primary sector and regional councils in measuring nutrient use and greenhouse gas emissions; if so, how?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u0022eaf089ff643a42358f2f56cf6197dfc4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eaf089ff643a42358f2f56cf6197dfc4\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E In Budget 2018, the coalition Government announced we will work together with the primary sector by boosting funding by $5 million over the next four years to improve the OVERSEER tool that helps measure nutrient use and greenhouse gas emissions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229bcd1a2aaa01440d90096298f6eb1a67\u0022\u003EAngie Warren-Clark\u003C/span\u003E: How will the increase in funding for OVERSEER improve farming practice?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296a0362f52bc4475a71fbf0979eea00e\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: As the Minister for Primary Industries, the Hon Damien O\u2019Connor, has emphasised, improved\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a8306822e1e4d9db9b0d5e0d8c58ddd\u0022\u003EHon Nathan Guy\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s Agriculture. He\u2019s Minister of Agriculture.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022019d3dc7bbf24488b738e0c135580388\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014land management priorities. As the Minister of Agriculture, the Hon Damien O\u2019Connor, has emphasised, improved land management priorities are key to improving water quality. This funding opens up opportunities for farmers to utilise new technologies and techniques to improve water quality in our rivers and aquifers. The extra funding will enable quicker adoption of environmentally friendly and profitable farm practices, the inclusion of a wider range of land types and farming systems, and a more user-friendly interface for the software.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b222220d50c74eb28544d48b09c6a00d\u0022\u003EAngie Warren-Clark\u003C/span\u003E: Why is the coalition Government backing practical, science-based tools such as OVERSEER?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223863d01f81e34735a705982c28a69e87\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Because the Government wants to help farmers and growers, as well as councils, to manage their respective environmental responsibilities by improving land use so that we can clean up our rivers to enable young and old to swim in them safely.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220ea76cdcab224be986b5c4208e244b68\u0022\u003EOranga Tamariki\u2014Consultation with Iwi and Finding Caregivers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u00226ebafbb7e674416c855a702d97c980f1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226ebafbb7e674416c855a702d97c980f1\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Children: Does she stand by her ministry\u2019s policies and actions in finding caregivers for children in care?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u00226de433b05adb45d89a562f31463f4dda\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226de433b05adb45d89a562f31463f4dda\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister for Children):\u003C/span\u003E I do support the ministry\u2019s efforts to attract more caregivers. It is a priority area. Oranga Tamariki needs more caregivers, and there is a lot of work to both recruit and retain a diverse pool of caregivers who can provide safe and loving homes for tamariki. Since its establishment a year ago, the number of family, wh\u0101nau, and non-family/wh\u0101nau caregivers has increased by more than 150. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EIf the member is referring to the caregiver advertisement that was placed on TradeMe, it has been recognised and acknowledged that the level of information contained within the advert, while not breaching the individual\u2019s privacy, was an error in judgment. The chief executive has apologised. I know the staff are disappointed that they did not recognise this before posting the advert, and I am confident it will not be repeated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227095ca698b1247db9fb8ae08c4ca9877\u0022\u003EHon Alfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: How does the Minister then reconcile her ministry\u2019s reported statement yesterday that it worked hard for three months to try and find the girl a home within her wh\u0101nau, iwi, or hap\u016B, when Ng\u0101ti Ruanui head, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, said, \u201CWe are constantly being told, as iwi, to be part of the solution, but it\u2019s bloody hard when they don\u2019t engage with us.\u201D, or iwi leader Marty Davis: \u201CJust talk to us in the first instance and there are a number of things we can do when we actually talk with each other.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022314ac7c2e6134594a4280ab6e1b633c0\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: My understanding from the chief executive is that conversations had been taking place with members of that particular iwi over the last three months. It would appear that there were other members of the iwi that had not been part of that conversation\u2014we will seek to rectify that immediately.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c8f7c288a324a3e809a1515632c72a2\u0022\u003EHon Alfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: How does the Minister reconcile the comments from the CEO about a TradeMe advertisement for a foster family that \u201Cwe acted immediately to take down [that] information.\u201D, when two of the iwi leaders said that Oranga Tamariki did not remove the advertisement for at least 1\u00BD days after the complaint was first laid?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202437c4d0db54179a45ff424a4fe78e8\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member for the information. It had not been drawn to my attention before this moment. I will go and see if I can clarify the situation now that I have that information.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277e23c7279eb4ccdbc537ea550a0f7e4\u0022\u003EHon Alfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: How does the Minister reconcile her ministry\u2019s comments by her CEO, who said, \u201CWe\u2019ve now engaged with the appropriate iwi.\u201D, when as of today and this afternoon neither iwi Ng\u0101 Rauru or Te \u0100ti Haunui-a-P\u0101p\u0101rangi have been engaged at all?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b565eeaabb004870849d9ac6f2bff3d6\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member for his question. That is contrary to the information that I have been given. I will now take his comments back and I will seek to clarify.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228cd4e743745840609dde59aa762d829a\u0022\u003EHon Alfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: When her ministry\u2019s CEO said, \u201CWe\u2019ve now engaged with the appropriate iwi, which is fantastic. That\u2019s going to create more opportunities for children that we didn\u2019t have before we made the mistake.\u201D, does she believe that making mistakes is the ideal way to create more opportunities for children?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286ca01b1376a45699104dccb2d2b9bea\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member for his question. Oranga Tamariki was set up under the previous Government, and quite rightly so\u2014and quite rightly so. It was set up to change the way we dealt with the complex situations for New Zealand\u2019s children. Part of that is changing the way that we did things from how we did them before. Sometimes, mistakes will happen. This is one of those mistakes. It will be rectified, but Oranga Tamariki must change the way that we look after our children and our young people in this country because if we keep doing what we did before, we will keep getting the negative outcomes we got before.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224708d0b566f34cf0ac762a002e73a683\u0022\u003EHon Alfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Minister, then, change the way and the appropriateness of operating, and herself as the Minister taking leadership, to contact the iwi leaders such as Marty Davis, who in his comments says, \u201CThe TradeMe site, by its very name, suggests a commodity as being sold, bought, or swapped. Some may see that with this little child.\u201D\u2014will she take leadership, contact them, apologise personally for the mistake that was made?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ce90c2a9490493b96a8b6bb921ead69\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member for his question. Can I just clarify that this is not the first time that TradeMe has been used and the job section of TradeMe has been used. It is a practice that actually started under the previous administration. However, to go to the substance of the member\u2019s question, I have no difficulty whatsoever ringing the iwi in particular, having a conversation about how myself and the ministry can create stronger relationships for the better outcomes for the children and the young people of Aotearoa New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002257936d2c532a4b83a2277c92008f07a8\u0022\u003EOffice of Ethnic Communities\u2014Premises\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u002207548c59053a4c7f96e389d0b04a55d1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002207548c59053a4c7f96e389d0b04a55d1\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I note the Minister is not in the House and I seek leave for the question to be deferred until the Minister is present, next Tuesday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2a7a2a8a5fb4901a4ec13a88671d969\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK, and I want some clarification. Is the member trying for an extra question, or just holding it back.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c113fad931a94d33b67d2b7b8a61d64c\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Just transferring the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208f63be8d1c346fb8a0c2657d79cf4a9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And the member wants an extra question when the Minister\u2019s next here. Is there any objection to that? Yes, there is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u002233706d710a844127a794e057faed760f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002233706d710a844127a794e057faed760f\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Ethnic Communities: Are the statements in the Onehunga Community News that \u201CThe Office of Ethnic Communities is moving into premises in Onehunga, which will be shared with list MP Priyanca Radhakrishnan.\u201D and the quote by her parliamentary under-secretary saying, \u201CWe\u2019ve boosted support that we\u2019re providing in terms of connecting with ethnic communities, so we have more staff members working in our ethnic communities\u2019 outreach teams.\u201D, correct?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u00225fc2e949aea4401b904f56b4afb20898\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225fc2e949aea4401b904f56b4afb20898\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for Ethnic Communities: On behalf of the Minister for Ethnic Communities, in answer to the first quotation the member has used, no. In answer to the second quotation that the member used in his question, I have no ministerial responsibility for Parliamentary Service\u2019s funded staff or the comments that MPs make about them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8fe23d4697949e5a5ab32ae342bde9d\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Did the parliamentary under-secretary tell the Onehunga Community News that the new premises included the Office of Ethnic Communities?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296caf8aa040a4c208c5b7eedeca328ec\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m advised no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002274f793534df844f4a5eb8feb07212fb2\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: How can the Government claim that the Onehunga Community News report is the fault of the publication, when the editor has stated that no correction will be made to the story, as it is consistent with her recording of the interview with her parliamentary under-secretary and Government colleagues, or is the Government saying that the editor is being untruthful?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a27658e0e63a44298ecbddad3c401cd0\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not saying that the editor is being untruthful. I am saying that the editor has confused two different issues. There are Parliamentary Service staff employed under the Labour Party Parliamentary Service\u2019s allocation, for which I have no ministerial responsibility, who are doing ethnic community outreach, who are in that office. There are no staff from the Office of Ethnic Communities working in that office. That would be inappropriate. Nor has there been any suggestion that there would be staff from the core Public Service working in that office.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022efff0c6de45d47e0955ac9fecd51e305\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Why, if the parliamentary under-secretary had no intention to mislead that there was anything other than Parliamentary Service staff, did the parliamentary under-secretary specifically promote the Office of Ethnic Affairs and the provision of funds in the Budget for expanding the staff of the Office of Ethnic Affairs at those premises?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e1d66ad9d6014888a5540a21c1d6894a\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: I reject the assertion in the member\u2019s question. I have the article in front of me, and it is abundantly clear from reading the direct quotes of the member of Parliament who has made them that he was speaking of Parliamentary Service staff and not staff of the Office of Ethnic Communities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dfe992719be1468288e53ba3f6336275\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Will she ensure that the parliamentary under-secretary Michael Wood respects the political neutrality of the Office of Ethnic Communities and stops using the role to promote the Labour Party?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a17b9276c01465cb94632dfa219fc75\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Despite the numerous denials from this Government, that member is now making a very serious allegation, and he cannot substantiate it, and there\u2019s a more appropriate place if he thinks that\u2019s right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227cb3b7b6abac4d62bcdcc31e50ad22e5\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002274c84d22294c4a659b4c5107274720ae\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. I don\u2019t need any further help with this one. I don\u2019t think, in my listening to the question, the member had suggested that Mr Wood had acted inappropriately. I think the request was: did he not? So Chris Hipkins can answer the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243f81d51b015474abc75f26acb66d441\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: I have received no evidence to suggest that he has done so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022266c0142b63c438abfd75b8da430f064\u0022\u003ETrade Agreements\u2014Negotiations with European Union\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022 data-id=\u0022d13d72dd75db4921abb12f53df466c3e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d13d72dd75db4921abb12f53df466c3e\u0022\u003EMARK PATTERSON (NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Trade and Export Growth: What announcements has the Government made regarding trade with the European Union?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u0022d54b6e96d3514be389971e6c94c69797\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d54b6e96d3514be389971e6c94c69797\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Minister for Trade and Export Growth):\u003C/span\u003E Today, the Government officially launched negotiations for a free-trade agreement (FTA) with the European Union trade commissioner, Cecilia Malmstr\u00F6m. The EU is already the third largest trading partner with two-way trade worth more than $20 billion. A free-trade agreement will increase trade substantially, bringing significant economic gains for New Zealand and the European Union. Wages, business profits, and the New Zealand standard of living will rise. Perhaps as importantly, it\u2019s critical to our interests that New Zealand works together with like-minded countries to combat the rising tide of protectionism around the world, and that\u2019s what this coalition Government is doing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221c48f53ecec04c17aa05e4f8ec47b23a\u0022\u003EMark Patterson\u003C/span\u003E: How has the coalition Government got trade negotiations with the EU started?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d3f4950474a64d8caf28aa32eb352870\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: This coalition Government has, for a start, worked to rebuild public support and confidence in trade needed at home after the past Government abandoned bipartisanship. The Prime Minister deserves significant credit, particularly in respect of land sales, actually. The Prime Minister deserves significant credit for getting the negotiations across the line by advocating strongly for New Zealand\u2019s interest in her meetings with President Macron and Chancellor Merkel. European leaders were, clearly, receptive to our leader articulating the values that New Zealand shares with the EU. We\u2019re fortunate to have a Prime Minister who represents New Zealand so effectively on the world stage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002289a9bba032354cdfbdd52c6611ed8d4d\u0022\u003EMark Patterson\u003C/span\u003E: How will a potential EU - New Zealand FTA benefit New Zealand\u2019s environment, economy, and workers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d1b04bd3f2f4e3fb19c51af023c30ff\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: We expect a high-quality agreement which will give greater market access for New Zealand\u2019s exports, both goods and services\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e92e14ba993b4d998f825f8dc48c9732\u0022\u003EHon David Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Except dairy and beef.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a2ae4a25bfd842eba2be26681611b18c\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and that it\u2019ll include\u2014he says except dairy and beef. Well, let\u2019s just wait and see, Mr Bennett. We might do better than your hapless crowd on that side. The EU itself forecasts the agreement could add $2 billion a year to the New Zealand economy\u2014or billions a year to the economy\u2014and increase wages for New Zealand workers. The launch of these negotiations with the European Union is yet another example of this coalition Government building the foundations for a sustainable, fair, high-wage, high-value economy\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f8406c8e664243498c2ca43aa00c80b9\u0022\u003EHeretaunga Tamatea Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002258f9b88b85f943a09c2585aef768a2bc\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u002258acf3a2275e46e09b24ecb977d102af\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002258acf3a2275e46e09b24ecb977d102af\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Heretaunga Tamatea Claims Settlement Bill be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EE Te Kaiwhakarite o Te Whare t\u0113n\u0101 koe, e ng\u0101 hoa mema t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou T\u0101kitimu waka, e ng\u0101 uri o Heretaunga Tamatea, rau rangatira m\u0101. T\u0113nei taku mihi atu ki a koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker, greetings to my parliamentary colleagues, greetings to T\u0101kitimu waka, descendants of Heretaunga Tamatea, and distinguished guests. I bid you a warm welcome, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI turn first to express my warm greetings to the people of Heretaunga Tamatea. Thank you to those of you who have travelled from your rohe and from other parts of the motu to be here today to support the third reading. I welcome you. This is a very significant day for Heretaunga Tamatea and the Crown, and I am pleased that so many people are here to witness it. It is a privilege for me to stand in this House today in the final stages of our settlement process and to commend this bill to my colleagues.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThis reading marks the final moments in the long journey towards settlement for Heretaunga Tamatea. I\u2019d like to pay special respect to the Heretaunga Tamatea negotiators, especially Liz Munroe, David T\u012Bpene Leach, Peter Paku, and Brian Morris. There can be few heavier responsibilities than negotiating a settlement that seeks to address historical grievances that your people have borne for generations, yet you have met that responsibility with integrity, determination, and considerable grace. At all times you have been guided not only by the wishes and aspirations of your people but by the principles of cooperation, good faith, and trust that the Treaty of Waitangi embodies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI also recognise that your hard work is but a continuation of the efforts of your ancestors, who have, since at least the 1850s, pursued justice for Crown failings that have, unfortunately, characterised our relationship almost from the beginning. While the Crown deeply regrets that it has taken so long to address your historical grievances in an appropriate way, we join with you today in remembering and honouring the many Heretaunga Tamatea people who have struggled for justice. Today is the culmination of those efforts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI also acknowledge the Crown officials, who have also worked very hard to achieve this settlement, and, of course, naturally, I acknowledge the mahi and the stewardship of my predecessor, Chris Finlayson, who did so much to bring so many Treaty settlements to a just conclusion, including this one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s important that we acknowledge the troubled history that makes this settlement necessary. From the time of their first interactions with European settlers in the early 1840s, the people of Heretaunga Tamatea were keen to embrace the opportunities that the new arrivals brought. By the end of the decade, the people of Heretaunga Tamatea were growing and trading pork, flax, maize, and other agricultural produce with Europeans and were taking advantage of new employment opportunities, particularly in the whaling industry. Initially, M\u0101ori in the area chose to lease land to settlers so they could encourage economic development without losing ownership of the land, but, in the late 1840s, some expressed a willingness to sell some land to the Crown to further encourage settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EInitially, the first Crown purchase was a model for how the Crown should have conducted its land purchases. For almost a year, Crown officials met with local chiefs, discussed boundaries, and negotiated prices. A broad consensus was reached. However, the night before the Waipukurau deed was signed, things began to go wrong. In a private meeting, the chief Crown purchase agent told a prominent local chief that he would only pay the agreed price if more than 20,000 more acres were added to the purchase. The owners of that land were not consulted, and six weeks later the deed map was redrawn, permanently depriving the owners of the land they had occupied for centuries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EUnfortunately, this established a pattern that characterised Crown purchasing for the next 10 years. Crown agents bought land without consulting all the owners and signed deeds for huge areas of Hawke\u2019s Bay and Wellington, sometimes with just a single M\u0101ori signatory. Rangatira in Heretaunga Tamatea increasingly opposed further sales, only for Crown agents to note that the growing tensions between chiefs were leading to further sales. By 1857, just six years after the first Crown purchase in Heretaunga Tamatea, about half of all the land in the rohe was gone. At the end of that year, tensions over Crown sales erupted into armed conflict between hap\u016B, resulting in seven deaths and a number of injuries. In the wake of this conflict, the people of Heretaunga Tamatea made a commitment to political rather than armed opposition. From that time, Heretaunga Tamatea leaders were prominent in a number of local and nationwide movements that sought to halt further land loss and retain a measure of political autonomy, including Te Whata a Te Herunga, the R\u016Bnanga, the Komiti or Repudiation movement, and Kotahitanga, which led to the first P\u0101remata, or M\u0101ori Parliament, sitting at Waipatu, near modern Hastings, in 1892.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThese movements illustrate Heretaunga Tamatea\u2019s longstanding commitment as Treaty partners and their dedication to peaceful political organisation. However, these efforts were undercut by the Crown\u2019s introduction of native land laws, which individualised landownership and led to further sales. By 1930, the people of Heretaunga Tamatea were a tangata without a w\u2019enua. In the span of a single lifetime, your people had become landless, marginalised, and impoverished. Between 1851 and 1854, the Crown purchased 7,200 acres of Aorangi lands; an unreasonably small amount of compensation was provided for this in 1950, almost a century later. This has since been addressed but has caused continuous distress for Aorangi. I acknowledge the Aorangi M\u0101ori Trust Board for agreeing to have their claims settled as part of Heretaunga Tamatea.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s impossible to overstate the devastating impact Crown purchasing practice had on the economic, social, cultural, and spiritual condition of the hap\u016B of Heretaunga Tamatea. However, it is possible to begin to understand how it happened, and I encourage every New Zealander to read the historical account that is included in the Heretaunga Tamatea deed of settlement, which sets out this history in more detail. It is a sobering document, but like all other historical accounts, it has an important role to play in helping us all to better understand this country\u2019s past and to understand its present. The bill we are voting on today also includes the Crown\u2019s formal acknowledgements of its historical Treaty breaches and its apology to the people of Heretaunga Tamatea, past and present.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe path to this settlement has been over eight years. In 2011, He Toa Takitini gained the mandate to represent Heretaunga Tamatea in the settlement process, and the terms of negotiation were signed. The agreement in principle was signed in 2014, and the deed of settlement was signed in September 2015 at Te Aute College. To date, this settlement is the fifth-largest in New Zealand\u2019s history. While the settlement is substantial, I acknowledge that no redress can ever fully compensate the people of Heretaunga Tamatea for what has been lost and for what they have suffered. However, the settlement given effect to by this bill will provide Heretaunga Tamatea with a powerful platform for future growth: $100 million in financial and commercial redress will help Heretaunga Tamatea to again become key participants in the Hawke\u2019s Bay region\u2019s economy, and a further $5 million will support the long-term sustainability of Te Aute College.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe Heretaunga Tamatea Settlement Trust has proposed that $1.1 million be distributed to each of the 23 marae in the Heretaunga Tamatea rohe, which will provide immediate benefit to marae and hap\u016B around the region. This illustrates the dedication of Heretaunga Tamatea to sustainable development and collaborative decision-making across their whole community. The settlement package includes five significant site vestings to reconnect Heretaunga Tamatea with lands of cultural significance. Additionally, there was the gift and then the gift-back to the people of New Zealand of Cape Kidnappers Gannet Reserve and Cape Kidnappers nature reserve. These gift-backs at Cape Kidnappers provide an insight to the mana of Heretaunga Tamatea and the spirit of the negotiations throughout their settlement process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EToday is a day of new beginnings in many respects, and today signifies an important moment\u2014an historic moment\u2014for Heretaunga Tamatea and the Crown. We draw on our history; we reconcile ourselves to it. Through this, we make peace and we gain strength. Today, we take the final step toward a new beginning, a new relationship built on mutual respect, trust, cooperation, and partnership. I wish Heretaunga Tamatea and the Heretaunga Tamatea Settlement Trust all the best as you succeed in continuing this process. I commend this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022 data-id=\u0022ab21ea93ae3a40a49c538abaa539e1d4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ab21ea93ae3a40a49c538abaa539e1d4\u0022\u003EHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (National):\u003C/span\u003E On behalf of the National Opposition, I indicate that we will be supporting this legislation with great pleasure. It was tremendous to be at Te Aute College on 26 September 2015 to sign the deed of settlement, and I welcome to the gallery today some representatives of Te Aute College, about which I\u2019ll say something in a short time. It\u2019s a great college, almost as great as Hato P\u0101ora. My gym instructor, who\u2019s an old boy of Hato P\u0101ora, asked me to drop that into my speech and I have obliged. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThere are a couple of points I want to make. The first is to emphasise what the Minister said about how important it is for people to read the facts. The facts are set out in the bill and form an important part of the apology, because what happened here, it wasn\u2019t raupatu but it was a very serious breach of the Treaty, and huge tracts of land across the magnificent Heretaunga Plains were lost. That is why this settlement is such a significant settlement, and that\u2019s why the Crown really has to do its very best to make sure, in a post-settlement world, that this settlement is successful. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ECan I acknowledge, as the Minister has, the tremendous contribution of the negotiators. Time and time again, I have said in this House that to be a negotiator on behalf of an iwi in its Treaty settlement negotiations requires huge courage and commitment, and that was certainly the case here, because the negotiators are people who work on their day job and then at the end of the day, instead of going home and resting, are called to meetings to deal with the negotiations, and that applies also over the weekend. The young folk here who are witnessing this third reading should take some time to thank people within the tribal leadership for their contribution to the negotiations, because what they did, as I said, has required great courage and commitment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EIn any Treaty settlement, negotiators have to deal with important mandate issues. Because Heretaunga Tamatea was very well organised, mandate disputes here were minimal, but none the less they can be very trying and time-consuming pieces of work, and it can really be very testing for negotiators. So they had to deal with that, and they did it well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EInevitably, there are going to be overlapping claims, and the negotiators dealt with those issues very well, and, above all, they have to recognise and accept that what is offered is something that\u2019s bankable for the iwi. I always remember the final stages of the Ng\u0101ti Porou negotiation, when my old friend Apirana Mahuika got up at the crack of dawn and wandered around Wellington, wondering whether he would initial the deed of settlement. Was it an appropriate settlement\u2014what would Ng\u0101ta have said about it? So those are the kinds of huge issues that weigh on the negotiators as they come to decide whether to accept the deed of settlement, and that is why to acknowledge the negotiators is not a formulaic recitation of thanks or a formulaic acknowledgment but a sincere tribute to them for their outstanding contribution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThe Minister finished his speech by saying\u2014as I have said in the past\u2014today marks the beginning of a new relationship, and he\u2019s absolutely correct. But whether or not these settlements succeed is dependent on how the Crown reacts. Iwi and their members never forget, but the Crown all too often forgets, and so these settlements will be successful if the Crown acknowledges and acts on the basis that it is a new day, a new relationship\u2014a relationship based on equals, not paternalism. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EEarlier this week, I was asked a number of questions by journalists about a certain settlement where there are some issues that have arisen, and they said to me, \u201CShould the Minister be taking a closer look at it?\u201D, and so on. These are funds that were provided by the Government, and the questions themselves seemed to me to suggest that there\u2019s still an understanding out there, or a feeling out there, that the relationship between the Crown and iwi is paternalistic. Well, it\u2019s not. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EWhen there\u2019s a settlement, then the relationship does change. Iwi have the resources to grow and develop their area, and it\u2019s not for the Crown to be adopting some kind of overlord or paternalistic relationship toward them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ESo I always, when it comes to Treaty settlements in the third reading, cross my fingers and hope for the best that the Crown won\u2019t let the side down. I\u2019m always mindful\u2014and the member for Te Tai Hau\u0101uru knows this\u2014of what happened with Ng\u0101ti Apa. They\u2019d been told during negotiations with Michael Cullen that a certain piece of land was not available for settlement because it was a strategic piece of land, and then, a couple of years after the settlement, it was put on the market. That\u2019s the kind of thing that destroys trust and it does need to be avoided at all times. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThere are two points that the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee was concerned with and that I want to refer to. The first one deals with the Te Aute College Glasgow leases\u2014something that I am very personally interested in, because I know the contribution that this great college has made to New Zealand\u2014and those leases, to put it bluntly, are an abomination and there needs to be a resolution of them for the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EThis college has produced some outstanding people over the years. And just to go through a few of them: Moananui-a-Kiwa Ngarimu, the soldier of the M\u0101ori Battalion who was awarded the Victoria Cross in 1943; the great Te Rangi H\u012Broa\u2014Sir Peter Buck\u2014who was a member of Parliament for Northern M\u0101ori; Sir Howard Morrison; Sir Sidney Mead; the great Sir \u0100pirana Ngata, a good Nat, who was the MP for Eastern Maori for many, many years, an outstanding Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs; Sir M\u0101ui P\u014Dmare\u2014[Interruption]\u2014they hate it when we say these things. Sir M\u0101ui P\u014Dmare, another great Nat who was the member for Western Maori and Minister of Health; Sir Pita Sharples, who wasn\u2019t a great Nat but he was a great guy, and is a great guy and a person I worked with very closely when he was Minister of M\u0101ori Affairs and co-leader of the M\u0101ori Party. He\u2019s the one who launched the reforms of Te Ture Whenua which the Labour Party has ditched, and shame on them. William Brown Turei, archbishop and primate of the Anglican Church in Aotearoa; Piri Weepu; Norm Hewitt\u2014you\u2019ve got to get the All Blacks in there\u2014Manu Bennett; and so many others. This is a school that should be flourishing, and it\u2019s not flourishing because of those hideous Glasgow leases. So I hope that over the next little period, we will, as a Parliament, be able to look at that issue, because it does need to be resolved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003EAnd the second issue relates to the Hawke\u2019s Bay Regional Planning Committee. There\u2019ve been some concerns about that. Look, it\u2019s early days, but I strongly say to all iwi who are involved with the Hawke\u2019s Bay Regional Planning Committee: get involved in it. It is going to take time to bed in. It was the subject of a very careful negotiation led by Dame Fran Wilde when she was negotiating the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera settlement. It is the right model for the Hawke\u2019s Bay. There are going to be teething problems because the new Jerusalem doesn\u2019t arrive in five minutes, but it\u2019s worth working hard on, and I am sure that if everyone does their bit that\u2019s the model that will work very well for the Hawke\u2019s Bay.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003ESo, in conclusion, it\u2019s been great to work with Heretaunga Tamatea over the years. They have got some wonderful, wonderful people who have been involved in the iwi for such a long time. The one person I particularly want to mention is Liz Munroe, who is a good friend of mine and she and I worked together in a law firm many years ago. With the kind of leadership that Heretaunga Tamatea has, I believe it\u2019s going to go from strength to strength. And so I, too, commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u002286697f4e54a4474e92261bcd7a0c9872\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286697f4e54a4474e92261bcd7a0c9872\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Chair. Tihewa mauri ora ki te whei ao, ki te ao m\u0101rama. E mihi ana ki te rangi, e mihi ana ki te whenua, e mihi ana ki ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EE ng\u0101 hap\u016B maha o Heretaunga Tamatea, \u014Dku whanaunga o Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu, nau mai, whakatau mai, nau mai whakatau mai ki te ana o te raiona \u0101 ki te Whare P\u0101remata e takat\u016B nei.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EHarikoa te ngakau e whakat\u016B ana au ki te tautoko i t\u0113nei pire, i t\u0113nei p\u0101nuitanga tuatoru.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EKa huri too me mihi atu ki a r\u0101tou kua whet\u016Brangitia, ng\u0101 mate huhua o te w\u0101, haere koutou, haere koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EHoki mai ki a t\u0101tou te kanohi ora pai nei t\u0113n\u0101 koutou \u014Dku whanaunga, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Chair. Life bursts forth through the dawn to the world of light. I greet the heavens, I greet the land, I greet the people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ETo the many tribal groups of Heretaunga of Tamatea, to you my Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu relations, welcome, welcome to the lair of the lion; that is, to this House of Parliament which stands here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI am thrilled to stand and support this bill on its third reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI must make mention too of those who have departed this world; to you I say farewell, farewell. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EComing back to us, to the land of the living, to my relations, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI am truly delighted to stand and speak in support of this very important bill, the Heretaunga Tamatea Claims Settlement Bill, at its third reading. I too would also like to add my welcome to our manuhiri t\u016B\u0101rangi, to all our esteemed guests from Heretaunga Tamatea who\u2019ve travelled from far and wide. It was wonderful to hear the k\u014Drero in the Banquet Hall to welcome them to Parliament. This is truly a significant day, and it\u2019s always an honour to speak on Treaty settlement bills, but this is significant\u2014the fifth-largest settlement, among my whanaunga of Heretaunga Tamatea, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, and Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu. So it\u2019s always an honour to welcome whanaunga to the House of Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI know it\u2019s been said in many other readings\u2014and I acknowledge my tuahine Meka Whaitiri, the Minister and member for Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti\u2014in terms of the people of Heretaunga Tamatea, of the wonderful marae that they represent all throughout their takiw\u0101. But I wanted to just take this opportunity, for the record of Hansard, to announce and to list all of the hap\u016B that make up Heretaunga Tamatea. It hasn\u2019t been done, and there\u2019s quite a few, but I want to make sure that they\u2019re all included in my k\u014Drero today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThe first one starts off Ng\u0101i Tahu ki Takapu\u2014oh, Takapau, sorry. Not a good start. Let\u2019s start again\u2014let\u2019s start again. Ng\u0101i Tahu ki Takapau, Ng\u0101i Tamater\u0101, Ng\u0101i Te Ao, Ng\u0101i Te Hauapu, Ng\u0101i Te Hurihanga-i-te-rangi, Ng\u0101i Te K\u012Bkiri o Te Rangi, Ng\u0101i Te \u014Catua, Ng\u0101i Te Rangikoianake te tuatahi, Ng\u0101i Te Rangikoianake tuarua, Ng\u0101i Te Rangitekahutia, Ng\u0101i Te Rangitotohu, Ng\u0101i Te \u016Apokoiri, Ng\u0101i Te Whatui\u0101piti, Ng\u0101i Toroiwaho, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101wea, Ng\u0101ti Hikatoa, Ng\u0101ti Hinemanu, Ng\u0101ti Hinemoa, Ng\u0101ti Hinetewai, Ng\u0101ti Hotoa, Ng\u0101ti Honom\u014Dkai, Ng\u0101ti H\u014Dri, Ng\u0101ti Kautere, Ng\u0101ti Kere, Ng\u0101ti Kotahi, Ng\u0101ti Kurukuru, Ngati M\u0101rau o Kahungunu, Ng\u0101ti Mahuika, Ng\u0101ti Manuhiri, Ng\u0101ti Mihiroa, Ng\u0101ti Ngarengare, Ng\u0101ti Papatuam\u0101ro, Ng\u0101ti P\u012Bhere, Ng\u0101ti P\u014Dporo, Ng\u0101ti Pukututu, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hunga, Ng\u0101ti Takaroa (Ng\u0101ti T\u0101karo), Ng\u0101ti Tamatea, Ng\u0101ti Te Rehunga, Ng\u0101ti Toaharapaki, Ng\u0101ti Tukuaterangi, Ng\u0101ti Ura ki te Rangi, and Ng\u0101ti Whakaiti. Those are the hap\u016B of Heretaunga Tamatea, and we welcome you to Parliament today for this significant occasion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ECan I acknowledge the Minister, Minister Little; his predecessor, Minister Finlayson; the former chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, Tutehounuku Korako; and, I guess, I acknowledge myself, as the current chair. Ha, ha! Kia ora. I\u2019ll take the opportunity. But I\u2019d like to acknowledge all those who have been involved in this phase of this settlement. But, of course, we know that this stretches a long way back, further than our particular mahi. This goes all the way back to the signing of Te Tiriti, to the hap\u016B of Heretaunga Tamatea, who were thriving, independent hap\u016B communities who wanted to engage with the Crown and who wanted to engage with the settlers, and who were, unfortunately, let down terribly. As we\u2019ve heard in many settlements in this House, the dispossessions of land\u2014I\u2019m always saddened to hear the stories of that modus operandi of the Crown, the insatiable appetite for land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThey went to all sorts of devious means to devour those lands from our hap\u016B, as Minister Little outlined in his speech, whether it was secretly adding on a whole chunk of additional acres\u2014thousands of acres of land\u2014to a deed without any consent, without any consultation; whether it was the passing of the Native Lands Act in the 1860s; whether it was breaking down the M\u0101ori tenure, our tenure of communal ownership, breaking it down into ten individual names and then, through all sorts of means, ensuring that that land was dispossessed, whether it was putting our whanaunga into debt, whether it be by survey titles and the like\u2014all those sorts of means which were inflicted upon these people and which led to them having just a tiny fraction of their ancestral lands.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EWe know that this takiw\u0101 of Heretaunga Tamatea\u2014some of the richest, most fertile soils. Anyone who drives through the Hawke\u2019s Bay and admires it, from the mountains to the coast, all the way through, can see the abundance of wealth and prosperity that has been generated from those lands. Many of the descendants of these owners have worked hard to help the prosperity of that region, and now, finally, we can use this settlement as an opportunity for Heretaunga Tamatea to recapitalise themselves and to reassert and to engage more fully, whether it\u2019s in Hawke\u2019s Bay regional planning processes right across their ancestral landscape\u2014whatever\u2014in the commercial sphere, in the resource management, this settlement provides a platform for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI see that time is running short, but to conclude my speech I wanted to just acknowledge Mrs T\u0101nira Te Au, who told the special k\u014Drero about the haka \u201CTika Tonu\u201D from Houngarea Marae. Heretaunga Tamatea, Kahungunu\u2014famous for their waiata. Famous. I certainly hope we get to hear some of the top ten, and that haka, reverberate in this House at the conclusion of this debate, because this is certainly one of those occasions which is cause for celebration and remembrance, and we do both on this special, solemn occasion. So, without further ado, can I once again mihi to all of those who have led this, including all of your t\u016Bpuna who paved the way before, and can I wish Heretaunga Tamatea all the very best for the future. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u00220f62a1e63a9e4081862a28975197f8b2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220f62a1e63a9e4081862a28975197f8b2\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Kia orana t\u0101tou katoatoa i te aroa ma\u02BBata o te Atua.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E[Greetings everybody, in the name of the Lord.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EKo au tangata no te Moana nui o Kiva no te moana, te \u02BBenua no Rarotonga, no Aitutaki, no Mangaia. Ko au e tu nei e tangata ki roto i teia are e tu nei te Paremata e tu t\u0101tou ki roto i teia ra.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E[I am a man of the Pacific Ocean, of the ocean, the land of Rarotonga, of Aituaki, of Mangaia. I am man standing here in this House of Parliament we are all in today.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThere is a pe\u2018e [chant] from the islands of Aitutaki that goes something like this:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ETaku manu nui taku manu ra\u02BBi,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ETaku manu ka rere tau \u02BBiti\u02BBiti ki runga ki Tokerau,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u02BBOki mai \u02BBoki mai \u02BBoki mai. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E[Oh big bird, oh little bird,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EBirds who have flown to the four corners of the earth,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EOne day you shall return and when you do, tell us your song.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ETell us your words that you have to share.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI am honoured to be here to be able to speak on this bill. The truth be told I think I was the only M\u0101ori-looking guy that was left on our side, had that opportunity, I was about to walk outside the House and was given the bill. The only time that actually I was in the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee was once when the Hon Tau Henare was the chairperson, the late Hon Parekura Horomia was in there, and many others.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI can remember it was very feisty, it was alive, it was engaging, and one of my P\u0101keh\u0101 colleagues who was sitting next to me said, \u201CGeez, is it like that all the time?\u201D I said, \u201CWell, that\u2019s the way it rolls in the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. You either go hard or you go home.\u201D And at the end we had a karakia and we had kai. So if you really want a true experience there\u2019s only one select committee to go to; that\u2019s the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ETo tatou tupuna i roto i teia are e tu nei [to our ancestors in this House standing here], I\u2019m honoured to be able to be here. I have to say in the nearly seven years that I\u2019ve been in this House this would have been the first time that I\u2019ve been honoured to be able to speak on a Treaty claims bill. So here it is, the Heretaunga Tamatea Claims Settlement Bill. Our old people often would say that nothing happens just by accident; sometimes things happen for a purpose. And so as I sat here starting to listen, I heard what the different k\u014Drero and the different speeches were saying and I thought to myself, \u201CSo what is it that this boy from Rarotonga could actually comment on and contribute today?\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EWhat happened is that in the k\u014Drero when I heard the Hon Chris Finlayson talking about that and from Te Aute College\u2014you see, I was just a State school boy from Henderson High School in West Auckland. The closest that we came was playing Hato Petera, which we won, Tipene, which we lost. We had many exchanges but we always heard of Te Aute College. They won the Moascar Cup. They\u2019re actually well-known for their feats in that, but the name that stood out to me was the name of Sir M\u0101ui P\u014Dmare. The reason for that is that because in the First World War it was Sir M\u0101ui P\u014Dmare who actually came across to Rarotonga and it was through his k\u014Drero and through his engagement that began the migration of over 500 Cook Island soldiers in World War I, who fought alongside the M\u0101ori Pioneer Battalion. So because of that I also realised that there is an importance to acknowledge the connection that we have as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe other connection that they have to Hastings and the Hawke\u2019s Bay is that in our Cook Island communities up and down the motu [country] we would have a thing called the Uapou Fellowship, which is a gathering of all the churches. We would have services and cultural activities and from the Hawke\u2019s Bay they always had a group, a very strong group, but they also had the best-looking girls that would often come, so that\u2019s what they were also known for as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EBut more importantly, this is an opportunity for the Heretaunga Tamatea claim to put at rest a treaty settlement that has been long waited for. Here it is. It is a full redress. It is both an apology and a final settlement. I want to acknowledge all of the t\u016Bpuna who have gone before, those who have been the negotiators, those who have, unfortunately, not able to be here with all of us today, but would see that this is a day they wished and in their moemoe\u0101 and in their dreams had desired would come. And so it comes today to all of us for the betterment so that all people can move on as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EWhen we think about the Treaty claims and the negotiations, I remember reading a piece where in 1840 when part of the translation happened with Henry Williams, he had to try and understand and translate into M\u0101ori and English and English into M\u0101ori what this relationship was meant to be about. They used the word \u201Ck\u0101wanatanga\u201D, which is about governorship, still retaining a sense of sovereignty. But there was another word that he used which was \u201Ckawenata\u201D, which is about a covenant, and actually that\u2019s what people understood\u2014a covenant that binds parties in a permanent, moral, and irrevocable relationship. That\u2019s what it understood. Unfortunately, it\u2019s not what the reality was.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo today I think it\u2019s important to go back to that place, to say that when it was first agreed to, when a covenant was signed, it was signed that there would be a permanent moral and irrevocable relationship. Today, I think it is the hope of everyone here that this redress will not only be an apology for what was done before to put the wrong right, but also create a settlement that in the days before previously in the signing of this Treaty settlement was to be able to ensure that the future of all our rangatahi, our tamariki, for the future generations, will continue to see the prosperity and success that we all desire as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo I bring these brief words. I actually then commend this to this House\u2014this settlement. It is an important and appropriate way to be able to do that, that all of us are here to be able to celebrate and commemorate this. That then will be the beginning of a new future, a new future and a new hope as well. I want to acknowledge all of those who have gone before us in this time and for all that they have desired to achieve.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EKia orana e kia manuia.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E[Greetings and best wishes.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022 data-id=\u00229ee553d248c54b7d9a4071c6ce52109a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229ee553d248c54b7d9a4071c6ce52109a\u0022\u003EJENNY MARCROFT (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is an honour for me to rise and to speak on behalf of New Zealand First in support of this bill, the Heretaunga Tamatea Claims Settlement Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EE ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 karangaranga maha; t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EE mihi ana ahau ki ng\u0101 uri whakaheke o ng\u0101 t\u012Bpuna o Heretaunga, o Tamatea. He mihi aroha, he mihi maioha ki a koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003E[To each representative entity, to each spokesperson and delegate, greetings to one and all, indeed greetings to everyone assembled here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EMay I acknowledge the descendants of Heretaunga, of Tamatea. I bid you a warm and sincere welcome. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EI would like to start off by acknowledging Heretaunga Tamatea and those who are not here in this House today that should be here with you, by your side: the claimants who have walked this path who are no longer here because they have passed away, because it took just too long to get here today, to this final reading. I acknowledge those people and the commitment and the contribution that they have made on this Treaty settlement journey on your behalf. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003ETo all of those here today from all of the hap\u016B that my fellow colleague Rino Tirikatene mentioned in number, thank you for being in the House today. It is a very significant day for you, and I would like to acknowledge you. To He Toa Takatini, the mandated body who negotiated your settlement\u2014and I just really like your whakatauk\u012B, which says our strength is in our unity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EAlso, I\u2019d like to acknowledge the two Ministers: the current Minister, the Hon Andrew Little, as well as the Hon Chris Finlayson for the words that they have already said in this House today. Minister Little discussed the negotiators who negotiated with integrity and grace and the principles of cooperation and trust that were undertaken throughout the course of this negotiation. The Minister also outlined the historical time line of your grievances and how you become landless and marginalised and impoverished. I acknowledge the Hon Christopher Finlayson for the work he did at the beginning of this Treaty settlement path on your behalf. He said the Crown had seriously breached the Treaty with the loss of a large tract of land in Heretaunga and spoke of the great courage and the commitment from your negotiators, and I acknowledge the sincere tribute he made to them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EYou know, it\u2019s an honour for me. I\u2019m a first-time member of Parliament and a brand new member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. So, for me, this is my very first Treaty settlement final reading that I have made, and I am honoured to be here today. It is a privilege for me. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EIt was also a real privilege for me to travel to Hawke\u2019s Bay to meet with you and to hear you with your hearings of evidence. There were 40 submissions on this bill and 33 of them were oral. We heard them in Hawke\u2019s Bay, as well as in Wellington, and I was really impressed with your manaakitanga that you showed\u2014how you enveloped us with your stories and how you immersed us with your waiata, your stories, and the photos you brought of your t\u012Bpuna, and how you laid out your whakapapa in front of us. I would like to thank you for that. I\u2019m enriched because of this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EYou painted us a history of your story. It was a history that I was not aware of until that time, and you laid out your mamae for us to see it, and for us to feel it as well, and so I thank you for that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EI\u2019d just like to note a couple of the historical grievances. They are written in this bill, but it\u2019s also to hear them\u2014to hear them said out loud. There is power in words when we hear them out loud, so I\u2019d like to acknowledge that by 1900, approximately 1.2 million acres of your land, out of the 1.4 million acres of Heretaunga Tamatea land, had passed from M\u0101ori ownership through to Crown ownership. In the early 20th century, the Crown continued to purchase M\u0101ori-owned land in Heretaunga Tamatea, so that by 1930, approximately only 6 percent remained. By 1930, the wh\u0101nau and hap\u016B of Heretaunga Tamatea were virtually landless. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EThere is an apology that goes with this settlement bill, and I\u2019d just like to read a small part of it: \u201CThe Crown unreservedly apologises for its repeated breaches of the Treaty of Waitangi, and for the \u2018ng\u0101 mamae me ng\u0101 t\u016Bkino\u2019\u00A0\u201D\u2014the pain and the damage. The Crown regrets what it did, how it contributed to the wh\u0101nau and hap\u016B of Heretaunga Tamatea being left virtually landless. In the 1850s, the Crown used secret transactions and other divisive tactics to purchase huge areas of Heretaunga Tamatea land. The Crown is deeply sorry for its purchasing tactics that created tensions among your people that culminated in war, injury, and, ultimately, death. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EAt the end of our hearings day in Havelock, I went back to stay in Napier for the evening. I decided it was a good opportunity to spend time in your rohe, but it was almost like walking through sliding doors of a parallel reality because it was the Art Deco weekend in Napier. I had been spending time with you, hearing your stories, hearing about your past and your grievances, and then I went to Napier and there was this celebration of the 1930s. Fox furs and boaters, ostrich feathers, vintage cars, and The Great Gatsby swagger were in full swing in Napier, and I couldn\u2019t rectify within myself the feeling of stepping from one world into another. So contrasting was it that I was not able to look upon that Art Deco Festival and feel anything of pride about it, because it was at that same time that you lost your land and became landless. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EJust briefly mentioning the deed of settlement being signed at Te Aute College, and I won\u2019t go into great detail about that because it has been mentioned by other speakers already. But I do note that that $5 million will ensure the long-term sustainability of the school, and that is something to celebrate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EBut now is a time and an opportunity to look forward\u2014to look to the future. We acknowledge our past, and we can learn from it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EKi te k\u0101hore he whakakitetanga ka ngaro te iwi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003E[Without foresight or vision, the people will be lost.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EI\u2019d just like to talk a little bit about my wh\u0101nau connection to Hakikino. A few years ago, it was the Kershaw wh\u0101nau reunion. My sister is now married into the Winiana wh\u0101nau, and they were having the reunion at the Waim\u0101rama marae. Now at Hakikino, they have developed a really great little tourist venture. It\u2019s called the Walk with the Ancestors Tour, and I think this is a fantastic opportunity to keep holding on to your stories. One of the things I heard in the hearings was that when you lose your land, you lose your stories. But it is time to reclaim your stories back. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003ESo, my wh\u0101nau\u2014my brother-in-law, Michael, was there with his son, who\u2019s named Tamatea because he is from there. They went up to the caves\u2014the burial caves\u2014and with their kuia, who was their guide, they went wandering around the caves. My young nephew at the time\u2014a little bit like those large eels in the stream at Hakikino, he was a bit of a slippery young character. He managed to wriggle around through those tomo, and he managed to get lost. But he popped out through a tunnel that they had never known had existed before. He managed to find that passageway that had been undiscovered. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EIt is time to discover new futures and, with that, a new beginning. It is a new day, as Minister Little has mentioned. It is a time for a new relationship of equals. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EHeretaunga hauk\u016B nui, Heretaunga, ararau, Heretaunga haaro o te kaahu, Heretaunga takotoa noa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003E[Heretaunga of life-giving dew, Heretaunga of Arcadian pathways, Heretaunga\u2014beauty of which can only be seen by the hawk, Heretaunga that has been left to us the humble servants.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EI commend this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022 data-id=\u00228e6378102ff841e49bd8af265c0501cb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228e6378102ff841e49bd8af265c0501cb\u0022\u003EALASTAIR SCOTT (National\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to be speaking on this bill, the Heretaunga Tamatea Claims Settlement Bill third reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to acknowledge a number of people. First of all, the people who are not here: the people who have done work on this bill over the ages, over the decades\u2014not just a few years, not just a few days, but over the decades\u2014that are, of course, in our hearts and in our minds as we stand here together today. So I firstly acknowledge those people who have passed. Of course, I\u2019d like to acknowledge the older people in the gallery. They have been through and observed, for their whole lifetime, the process that is concluding today. So I\u2019d like to acknowledge those older people in the gallery for their patience, their tenacity, never giving up, always seeing the positive aspects that this third reading gives to the people of Heretaunga Tamatea.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EThe next group of people I\u2019d like to acknowledge are the young people\u2014the young people who I see in the gallery, mostly in front of me from where I stand this afternoon, because the young people who are here today have the challenge put in front of them. The challenge is now in front of the young people. The challenge is now to take this third reading, to take this settlement and move it forward and grasp the opportunity that this settlement gives to you, the youth of Heretaunga Tamatea, because it\u2019s not all over. This is not a silver bullet. This is not going to solve all the issues or the problems or the challenges that we all face, but it is a step\u2014and a significant step\u2014and it passes the baton on to the young people of Heretaunga Tamatea, and particularly those who have shown the interest and the courage and who have given the time specifically to be here in this House today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EMinister Little outlined a lot of the history, a lot of the story, and how we got here today, so I\u2019m not going to go over that, but I do want to encourage people to read the historical account that is attached to the deed of settlement. I\u2019m not talking about the people in this House particularly but the people out there who still do not understand the processes and the trials and tribulations that have led us here today. They need to read these historical accounts. They need to read these historical accounts not just of this claim but of any claim that has come to pass in its third reading in this House, because one thing that they will find, if they bother reading it, is a common theme. That theme is that the M\u0101ori people of Aotearoa in those days were simply ripped off\u2014ripped off and ripped off bad\u2014there\u2019s no doubt about it. So all it takes is some time from those who doubt that there is such an issue. I encourage those people out there in New Zealand to read an historical account for themselves.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003ESo we get a financial redress\u2014we\u2019ve got 100 million bucks in the bank. That\u2019s good. That gives us a good, strong financial base from which to work. But I\u2019d like to focus on some of the cultural redress\u2014in my mind as important, if not more important\u2014that this settlement gives to the people of Heretaunga Tamatea. The cultural redress gives land\u2014well, not so much land, but a place, a t\u016Brangawaewae\u2014and it restores mana and credibility and strength to the people of Heretaunga Tamatea. I\u2019d like to acknowledge some of the sites, specifically, that have been vested in Heretaunga Tamatea in fee simple. There\u2019s a Blackhead property, an Omahu property, a Parim\u0101hu Beach property, and a Lake Hatuma and P\u016Brimu Lake property.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EOf course, we\u2019ve heard from the Minister that Cape Kidnappers Gannet Protection Reserve and Cape Kidnappers Nature Reserve are being gifted back to the Crown, and that is absolutely appreciated and acknowledged by all New Zealanders, I\u2019m sure. But there are these other things that are called an \u201Coverlay classification\u201D. What these classifications do is acknowledge the traditional cultural, spiritual, and historical association with Heretaunga Tamatea to these sites of significance. By the way, I think it was excellent that Rino Tirikatene named the hap\u016B associated in the claim. And I\u2019d like to mention some of these sites of significance because, as I say, these sites are important: A\u2019Deanes Bush Scenic Reserve, Cape Kidnappers Gannet Protection Reserve, Cape Kidnappers Nature Reserve, and Gwavas Conservation Area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EThere are also these things called \u201Cstatutory acknowledgments\u201D. So when it comes to resource consent, these acknowledgments are things that the authorities must consider when giving resource consent to anyone in a particular area. These acknowledgments are statements that were made through the process, and the deed of settlement provides 27 of these statutory acknowledgments. They cover a very, very large area of the Hawke\u2019s Bay: Clive River and its tributaries, Elsthorpe Scenic Reserve, Hiranui Scenic Reserve, Inglis Bush Scenic Reserve, K\u0101hika Conservation Area, Karam\u016B Stream, part of K\u0101weka State Forest, M\u0101harakeke Stream, M\u0101k\u0101retu River, Maraet\u014Dtara River, Maraet\u014Dtara Scenic Reserve, Maraet\u014Dtara Gorge Scenic Reserve, M\u0101tai Moana Scenic Reserve, McLeans Bush Scenic Reserve, Mohi Bush Scenic Reserve, Monckton Scenic Reserve, Ngaruroro River and its tributaries, Parkers Bush Scenic Reserve, P\u014Drangahau and T\u0101urekaitai River, and Ruahine Forest Conservation Area. These are big, huge areas for which the interests of Heretaunga Tamatea must be considered when giving others resource consent over any of these particular areas, and that is a good thing. That is a good thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EThe other point I\u2019d like to make is there\u2019s these deeds of recognition. They happen when\u2014it basically says the Crown must consult with Heretaunga Tamatea when they have regard to Clive River, Elsthorpe, Hiranui, Inglis Bush, K\u0101hika Conservation Area, Karam\u016B Stream, and part of K\u0101weka State Forest Park, and other areas\u2014I don\u2019t have time to go on, but my point here is to be sure that the Heretaunga Tamatea claimants are deeply involved and must be consulted, must be considered. Their statements must be discussed when resource consent or anything over the land is to be considered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EI would like to wrap up by challenging, once again, and acknowledging the work that still has to be done regarding this settlement bill. Minister Finlayson\u2014the Hon Finlayson\u2014talked about the Glasgow leases. That is a challenge. That is a challenge that will be ongoing, and I know that all your efforts will be put to that issue: the Wai 401 overlapping claim relating to Taihape\u2014that\u2019s a good result, which has allowed that claim to be partial; also the Wai 574, Karanema Reserve, claim. I know, again, there must be empathy and understanding amongst the Heretaunga Tamatea people for that issue to be resolved, and I have absolute confidence that those in the gallery are absolutely up for the challenge, and I acknowledge you all here today. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u0022dcbb6a49d49a4abda6e257799d0e6056\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dcbb6a49d49a4abda6e257799d0e6056\u0022\u003EMARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare. E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 karangatanga maha, e ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Heretaunga Tamatea, e Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu, nau mai hoki mai. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E[T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Assistant Speaker. To each representative entity, to each spokesperson and delegate, to the descendants of Heretaunga, of Tamatea, to Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu, I say welcome back. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. Kia ora.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EThe Green Party stands here, absolutely in full support of the people of Heretaunga Tamatea and this settlement, which is long overdue, which many in this House have acknowledged has taken some time to get to this point. Along with that time, it has taken some people who have not been able to be here to see this third reading of the Heretaunga Tamatea Claims Settlement Bill today\u2014an auspicious day, a day that acknowledges the incredibly hard work that has happened and the sacrifices that have been made and the generosity of Heretaunga Tamatea. So it is on this generosity of Heretaunga Tamatea that I am going to focus much of my contribution in this House today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI\u2019m going to start off by picking up a couple of points that previous members of this House have mentioned. I want to continue the theme of the Hon Chris Finlayson, who made specific mention of the Crown not holding up its part of the Treaty of Waitangi, of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. It\u2019s a big focus of this particular settlement bill. I will expand a little bit more on that later.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI also quickly wanted to pick up on the Glasgow leases issues, which, as the previous speaker mentioned, are absolutely a challenge. I am honoured to be on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. That did prove quite a big topic of conversation in our select committee. It was quite technical, what has happened, where the Glasgow leases generally have long fixed terms and perpetual rights of renewal have limited the return that has been able to be made on that land. It went through a whole lot of divisions, of dividing up the land into pockets, and that has made it quite difficult for Te Aute College and for Heretaunga Tamatea hap\u016B. The Crown policy is that Treaty settlements cannot interfere with the rights and interests of private parties, such as lessees\u2014that, in itself, is incredibly problematic. I just wanted to acknowledge that where we got to is that the Crown has attempted to address Te Aute Trust Board\u2019s concerns without overriding that settlement policy regarding private property rights.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003ESo the committee considered the bill to not be the proper form for addressing the issue of Glasgow leases more generally. But I pick up on Te Aute to put on the record for the Green Party how challenging that particular issue is and also just to pick up on a bit of a quip comment from the Opposition benches from Mr Alfred Ngaro, who made some suggestion about some competition between boarding schools. I have no idea what he\u2019s talking about, but I\u2019ll just say quickly that I\u2019m a Queen Victoria School old girl. But I\u2019ll also just say that Mr Alfred Ngaro, he happened to mention some preference about where the best-looking girls are, and I just want to say that I have no judgment on the attractiveness of the girls who may have attended Queen Victoria School at the time that I was there, but I can tell you for sure we are staunch, we are committed to decolonising Aotearoa, and we\u2019re pretty smart.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI cannot stand to speak on this bill without acknowledging in some detail the historical account, the dirty dealings, really\u2014the shady, dirty dealings\u2014that happened that resulted in Heretaunga Tamatea having its land taken off. So I wanted to start by\u2014in the bill, as it outlines it in the late 1840s, rangatira invited the Crown. They saw some economic opportunities. They saw some ways to be able to benefit generations to come, and they said, \u201CCome and have a look at some of our whenua. How can we work together? How can we have a partnership?\u201D So that did happen: the Crown did come. The Crown encouraged customary owners to accept an incredibly low price for that whenua in order to gain access to these anticipated benefits. So the Crown officials also arranged for a large area to be added to that block sale, without the knowledge of the whenua\u2019s occupants, of Heretaunga Tamatea. Again, during the 1850s, we see that the Crown acquired land secretly\u2014underhanded, shady\u2014without seeking the consent of all customary owners. Now, this sort of carry-on, which continued and continued and continued\u2014is bound to cause tensions in the relationship internally, within Heretaunga Tamatea, and, absolutely, with the Crown. So that led to violence, and it led to rangatira being killed. That is an incredible price to pay for the Crown not holding up its part of the deal. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003ESo this continuation of shady, dirty deals happened and happened and happened, including the breaking up of land title into individual title. Now, I wanted to pick up\u2014this has happened around Aotearoa since the signing of the Treaty, but I realise we don\u2019t often concentrate on why that is a bad thing. What actually happened when we broke up collective ownership, when the Crown broke up collective ownership into individual title, is it actually broke up the core of Te Ao M\u0101ori relationship to each other and to the land. It didn\u2019t just enable land to be taken. It didn\u2019t just do that. Breaking up whenua into individual title attacked the very psyche of how we behave and how we operate and our connections and accountability to each other, to mokopuna that aren\u2019t even here yet, to our t\u016Bpuna behind us, and to each other internally, and, most importantly, to Papat\u016B\u0101nuku and to taiao, to our whenua and our wai. That\u2019s what breaking up title did, as well as making it easier for the land to be ripped off.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003ESo I did want to spend a bit of time today, probably for the first time ever\u2014and I\u2019ve spoken on many third readings\u2014actually putting a focus on what was being done to us when the Crown broke up our land titles. They didn\u2019t just sell off our land; they were attacking who we are and what we stand for. They were imposing on us the Western focus on individualism, which says that you must run roughshod over everyone else around you and over your land to do well for yourself. That\u2019s what it did. So I want it to be very clear on the House today that it went to the core of Te Ao M\u0101ori and the way we behave and our belief in terms of upholding the mana of each other and our whakapapa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI only have a short time left and so many things to say, so I\u2019m going to include in my contribution today some of the environmental issues. Oh no, first I want to be very clear about the specific sacrifices that were made, where Heretaunga Tamatea was a good Treaty partner, was an honourable and dignified partner in this relationship of attempting to work together with the Crown. What happened was a lot of sacrifices were made; in particular, it\u2019s acknowledged in the bill, the significant contribution the hap\u016B of Heretaunga Tamatea have made to the wealth and development of Hawke\u2019s Bay and, indeed, around Aotearoa, and that includes in the areas of the economy, education, farming, politics, culture and arts, public service, and business\u2014only everything; that\u2019s all. That\u2019s all you contributed to, and also to the war service efforts of t\u016Bpuna from Heretaunga. That is also acknowledged in the bill. The Crown acknowledges that it has failed to address these longstanding grievances.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI\u2019m going to finish off with mentioning your wai and that you get access and rangatiratanga back over it, including Whatum\u0101 and R\u016Bnanga; Poukawa, T\u016Btaekur\u012B, Ngaruroro, Maraet\u014Dtara, Tukituki, Waipawa, M\u0101k\u0101retu, and Porangahau-T\u0101urekaitai rivers; the Pekapeka swamplands; and our mahinga kai that are central to the well-being of the hap\u016B of Heretaunga Tamatea. If you had been able to maintain your rangatiratanga over your wai, they wouldn\u2019t be in the degraded state they are in today. And this is why the Green Party is absolutely clear that we uphold the rangatiratanga proprietary and customary rights for mana whenua over water, because that will be for the benefit of all of us. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u0022b7d22babbbfc402bbf962d638412c896\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b7d22babbbfc402bbf962d638412c896\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Labour\u2014T\u0101maki Makaurau):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te M\u0101ngai. Ka noho tonu ahau ki roto i te reo M\u0101ori m\u014D te roanga ake o taku k\u014Drero i te r\u0101 nei.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKa pap\u0101 te whatitiri, hikohiko te uira, kahukura ki te rangi. He ai t\u016B ka riri, ka rongomai ka h\u0113 ko Ngungunu, ko Ngangana, ko Ap\u0101rangi; ko te tit\u012B o te rua, ko te tao whakahoro, ko te tao whakawahine, ko te tao o t\u014Dku tupuna a Hine\u0101maru. Tihei w\u0101 mauri ora!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKa t\u0101pae atu ahau i ng\u0101 kupu whakamihi ki te t\u0101huhu o t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare hei karanga atu ki te tini, ki te mano ka tau ki runga i Te Whare i te r\u0101 nei. Ka karanga tonu ahau ki ng\u0101 aitu\u0101 maha ki runga ki t\u0113n\u0101, ki t\u0113n\u0101, ki t\u0113n\u0101 o t\u0101tou e tau nei. Kotahi tonu te k\u014Drero m\u014D r\u0101tou kua ngaro atu ki Te P\u014D, haere mai, haere. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKa whakahokia mai ng\u0101 r\u0101rangi k\u014Drero ki a t\u0101tou te hunga ora. E \u014Dku rangatira, ng\u0101 tini whanaunga heoi an\u014D koutou, e \u014Dku rangatira e Ng\u0101puhi ki Heretaunga, ko t\u0113nei a Ng\u0101i Tamatea ki roto o Te Tai Tokerau e mihi atu ana ki a koutou. K\u0101ti, i rongo atu aku taringa i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a \u0113tahi o Te Whare nei e kimihia e rapu ana e aha nei te whakapapa ka taea e te tangata o t\u0113nei Whare te piri ki ng\u0101 mahi i oti i a koutou ki roto i ng\u0101 tau maha ka whakatutukihia e t\u0101tou i te r\u0101 nei. Kua k\u014Drero mai te mema o t\u0113r\u0101 taha o Te Whare m\u014D te \u0101huatanga ki te waka o T\u0101kitimu; ka mihi. Ka k\u014Drero mai w\u0113tahi m\u014D te \u0101huatanga o te t\u0101karo whutup\u014Dro i roto i ng\u0101 kura; ka mihi. Ka hoki atu an\u014D au ki ng\u0101 whakapapa o t\u014Dku k\u0101inga, me te k\u014Drero e k\u012Bia nei, \u201CHe r\u0101ngai maomao ka taka ki tua o Nukutaurua e kore a muri e hokia.\u201D N\u014D reira, koutou e ng\u0101 maomao ka taka ki tua o Nukutaurua, e mihi atu ana ahau ki a koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKo ng\u0101 t\u0101tai whakapapa ki runga i a au Ng\u0101i Tamatea, ko te tupuna i t\u012Bmata mai i roto i a au o Te Tai Tokerau. Ko tana mahi hei rapu i tana tamaiti, an\u0101 i tana wehenga atu i Te Tai Tokerau ko tana k\u014Drero ki t\u014Dna iwi a Ng\u0101i Tamatea ki roto i Te Tai Tokerau, \u201CT\u0113n\u0101, tirohia ki tua o R\u0113ao, ki tua o R\u0113p\u014D ka kite atu koutou i t\u014Dku wairua, ka m\u014Dhio mai koutou e \u014Dku whanaunga ka kore au e hoki mai.\u201D I te r\u0101 nei ka tutukihia e t\u0101tou i roto i t\u0113nei Whare te t\u016Bhono o ng\u0101 t\u0101tai whakapapa ki runga i a au; otir\u0101 ki runga i a koutou e \u014Dku rangatira, haere mai, haere mai, haere mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EE \u014Dku rangatira kua k\u014Drero mai \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 mema o Te Whare P\u0101remata i te r\u0101 nei m\u014D te \u0101huatanga kei roto i te pire. N\u014D reira ka tautoko atu ahau i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a te Minita Te H\u014Dnore \u201CAnaru Iti\u201D\u2014\u201CPaku\u201D, kei a koutou te tikanga\u2014ka k\u014Drero mai te Minita tawhito, te H\u014Dnore Te Whinireihana, \u0101 kei a koutou taua whiriwhiringa, ka k\u014Drero mai ng\u0101 mema m\u014D te \u0101huatanga o te pire nei. \u0100e, e tika ana, i t\u016Bkino Te Karauna i a koutou; me whakap\u0101ha ka tika. Ka whakak\u014Dhatungia, ka whakamanahia ki roto i t\u0113nei pire \u0101ianei, tata ake nei ka whakamanahia i waho atu i ng\u0101 p\u0101t\u016B o t\u0113nei Whare. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira ko t\u0101ku atu ki a koutou, e te P\u0101p\u0101 e Gerry, koutou ko \u014Dku rangatira, tuhia ng\u0101 mamaetanga ki runga i te pepa; \u0101 taihoa ake nei ko ng\u0101 mokopuna e noho mai nei ka hakaina, ka tukuna atu i te reo waiata, kia kore e warewaretia e koutou, otir\u0101 e te motu wh\u0101nui. Ahakaoa te whakap\u0101ha a Te Karauna, t\u0113n\u0101, me rongo tonu w\u0101 t\u0101tou uri whakatupu i ng\u0101 mamaetanga i p\u0101 kino ki a koutou ki roto i ng\u0101 tau, t\u0113n\u0101, kia kaha r\u0101 koutou. Ko te whakap\u0101ha t\u0113n\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKa huri tua atu i\u0101ianei na ki te w\u0101hanga, ki te rahi o te p\u016Btea. \u0100e m\u0101rika, te koretake o taua rahi. E m\u014Dhio ana koutou i te rahi whenua i t\u0101haengia e Te Karauna i roto i ng\u0101 tau me te mana i t\u0101haengia, i t\u016Bkinohia e Te Karauna i roto i ng\u0101 tau. Ahakoa te p\u016Btea o te ao ka kore e ea\u2014ka kore e ea. N\u014D reira, m\u014D ng\u0101 mahi whiriwhiri ki waenganui i a koutou me Te Karauna, an\u0101, ka whakaritea nei t\u0113tahi rahi p\u016Btea hei k\u012Bnaki i te whakap\u0101ha i tukuna atu e Te Karauna ki a koutou, i roto i t\u0113nei pire. Kia kaha r\u0101 koutou. E mea nei te k\u014Drero a t\u014Dku tupuna a T\u0101 Hemi, \u201CKua tawhiti k\u0113 t\u0101 koutou haerenga mai ki te kore e haere tonu ai.\u201D Ko te manako, ko \u0113nei p\u016Btea he k\u0101kano nahenahe nei me te hiahia kia tupu m\u0101rika, kia tupu pai, kia mahuta toa, i roto i ng\u0101 tau kei mua i a koutou. Kia kaha r\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI\u0101ianei na ka huri tua atu ki w\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 w\u0101hanga kua haina mai e \u014Dku hoa mahi i roto i Te Whare nei e p\u0101 ana ki ng\u0101 wai, ki ng\u0101 whenua rangatira, ki ng\u0101 w\u0101hi tapu kei a koutou. E harikoa ana kia kite atu ahau i roto i te pire nei, ka whai niho ng\u0101 uri o t\u014D koutou tupuna a Tamatea i ng\u0101 mahi whakahaere ki runga i \u014D r\u0101tou ake whenua. Ko te wero t\u0113n\u0101 ki ng\u0101 kaunihera i waho atu i ng\u0101 p\u0101t\u016B o t\u0113nei Whare. Ahakoa ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a te Whare P\u0101remata, e m\u014Dhio ana t\u0101tou katoa i k\u014Drero atu ahau ki t\u014Dku tuakana ki te H\u014Dnore a Kelvin Davis i a ia e huri haere ana ki te whakatutuki i tana mahi e p\u0101 ana ki tana p\u014Dtae mahi ar\u0101 ko te Crown/M\u0101ori relations, hei t\u0101na ko te ngau kino i rangona wh\u0101nuitia e t\u014Dku tuakana a Kelvin Davis i a ia e huri karore haere ana ki runga i te motu wh\u0101nui ko ng\u0101 t\u016Bkinohia a ng\u0101 kaunihera \u0101-rohe. N\u014D reira, he wero t\u0113n\u0101 kei roto. \u0100e, ka whakamanahia te reo o Ng\u0101i Tamatea ki roto i ng\u0101 mahi e p\u0101 ana ki a r\u0101tou \u2013 \u0101e, ka whai niho, engari e m\u014Dhio ana t\u0101tou ko w\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata kei roto i ng\u0101 kaunihera, e hoa, he taringa turi ki ng\u0101 take motuhake o te ao M\u0101ori. N\u014D reira kia kaha r\u0101 koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u0100e ka kite atu ahau ko w\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 w\u0101hanga kei roto i te pire, ka whakamanahia ng\u0101 ingoa t\u016Bpuna, ng\u0101 ingoa motuhake o ng\u0101 w\u0101hi whenua kei runga i a koutou, kia kaua t\u0113tahi atu e mea atu ana, an\u0101 ko te ingoa o t\u0113nei w\u0101hi an\u0101 he ingoa P\u0101keh\u0101, k\u0101hore. Ka whakamanahia e te pire nei ng\u0101 ingoa t\u016Bturu o ng\u0101 whenua kei roto i a koutou e harikoa ana. Ko te wero nui i\u0101ianei na, kia whakatikatika i te reo o t\u0113n\u0101, o t\u0113n\u0101, ka whakahua tika ai i ng\u0101 ingoa tupuna kei roto i a koutou. Kua rongo atu ahau i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a \u0113tahi o Te Whare nei, ka aroha atu ki t\u014D t\u0101tou reo me ng\u0101 ingoa tupuna. He wero nui t\u0113n\u0101 kei mua i a koutou, kei mua i a t\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E[Bell rung]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKua rongo koutou, an\u014D nei ko Ng\u0101 Manu K\u014Drero t\u0113nei. Kua r\u012Bngi te pere. N\u014D reira hei whakar\u0101popoto ake i taku k\u014Drero e \u014Dku rangatira, kei te kite atu ahau i a koe e te tuakana e Kiwa Whatarau, ko ng\u0101 whakaaro ka aro t\u014Dtika atu ki t\u014D tam\u0101hine, ki t\u014D p\u014Dtiki, ko reira te oranga o t\u0113nei pire, ko reira te oranga o t\u0113nei pire. M\u014D ng\u0101 uri whakatupu te take. K\u0101ore au e m\u014Dhio ana ki t\u0113tahi tupuna kua mate ki roto i ng\u0101 tau i mahi i w\u0101 r\u0101tou mahi, ko r\u0101tou te take\u2014k\u0101hore. Ko w\u0101 r\u0101tou k\u014Drero ka heke iho mai nei ki runga i ng\u0101 pokowhiwhi o ng\u0101 uri whakatupu \u0101 taihoa ake nei. N\u014D reira, ki t\u014Dku tam\u0101hine ki a Te Ataroa, ko te wero nui ka tau ki runga i a koutou; kia h\u0101pai tonu i te mana, o ng\u0101 m\u0101tua, o ng\u0101 t\u016Bpuna ka wahaina mai ki roto i t\u0113nei pire ka wahaina tonu ki roto i a koutou. Kia kaha r\u0101 koutou e ng\u0101 uri whakatupu, ki roto i ng\u0101 tau e t\u016B nei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EE harikoa ana t\u0113nei whanaunga o ng\u0101 hunga e noho mai nei ki runga, ki te tautoko i t\u0113nei pire, kia haere t\u014Dtika, me te hiahia ka tatari mai ng\u0101 mema o t\u0113nei taha o Te Whare m\u014D te tono a Heretaunga kia anga atu ng\u0101 mema o te Whare P\u0101remata nei ki roto i a r\u0101tou; he aha te take, he whakanui ake i te kaupapa e k\u014Drerohia nei e t\u0101tou i te r\u0101 nei, me te kai tahi, me te kite atu mehemea e rahi nei ng\u0101 p\u0101ua o Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu ki ng\u0101 p\u0101ua o Te Tai Tokerau. K\u0101ti, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, e \u014Dku rangatira, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E[Greetings, Mr Assistant Speaker. I shall deliver my entire speech in M\u0101ori today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThe thunder crashes, the lightning flashes, as there is a rainbow in the sky. It is flashing an ill omen, as a war party is heard by Ngungunu, Ngangana, and Ap\u0101rangi; at the opening of the pit, as the incantations releasing the warriors from tapu are recited, the incantations of my ancestor Hine\u0101maru. Behold, the breath of life!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EMay I offer up to the rafters of our House some small words of welcome to the many who have graced this House with their presence today. In keeping with tradition, I also acknowledge the bereavements that are borne by each of you. All that remains to be said is, I embrace you, farewell.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EMy focus now returns to us, the living. My illustrious leaders, my many relations, my chiefs, that is to say, Ng\u0101puhi who reside in the Hawke\u2019s Bay, this is Ng\u0101i Tamatea from the North, who bids you welcome. Well now, these ears have listened to various ones of this House fossick around for some tenuous connection that will associate them with the wonderful work that you have accomplished over the years, and which will bear fruit today. The member from that side of the House mentioned the T\u0101kitimu canoe; that\u2019s fine. Some made their connections through school rugby teams; that\u2019s fine, too. For my part, I must go right back to my homeland and to the guidance provided by a maxim of ours that says, \u201COnce the shoal of maomao passes the point of Nukutaurua, it will never return.\u201D I therefore greet you, the shoal of maomao that has reached the point of no return.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EMy own connection to Ng\u0101i Tamatea begins with an ancestor from the North. His mission was to find his son, and as he was leaving the North he turned to his people, those Ng\u0101i Tamatea living in the North, and said, \u201CWhen you look for me beyond this world of light and dark, should you find my spirit you will know that I shall not return.\u201D Today, in this House, my genealogical bonds find a natural place alongside yours; my eminent leaders, I bid you welcome.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EDistinguished guests, some members of Parliament have spoken today about various aspects of this bill. I record my support for what was said by the Minister, the Hon Andrew Little\u2014\u201CIti\u201D or \u201CPaku\u201D; your choice\u2014the speech by the former Minister, the Hon Mr Finlayson, and by various other members. It is true you were badly treated by the Crown; an apology is certainly due. This will soon be formally set down for all to see.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ETherefore, I put to you, sir\u2014Gerry and to all of you elders here\u2014record those hurtful memories on paper; in time these little ones who are sitting here today will remember it all in haka and in song, and you, along with the rest of the country, will never forget. Notwithstanding the Crown\u2019s apology, coming generations need to know the injustices that you have suffered over the years; may you remain strong. Let us leave the apology there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI now turn to the part which deals with financial redress. Yes indeed, it is a piffling amount. You are well aware of the enormous tracts of land that were stolen by the Crown over the years, as well as the way your tribal reputation and dignity was laid waste and disparaged by that same Crown. No amount of money can ever erase that. Nevertheless, negotiations between you and the Crown have taken place and there is agreement on the amount of compensation that will accompany the apology by the Crown, in this bill. Just keep going. My grandfather, Sir Hemi, once said, \u201CYou have come too far not to go further.\u201D It is our earnest wish that this settlement is merely seeding money to be used to produce profuse growth, development, and advancement in the years to come. Be bold.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ELet us now look at other sections that have been signed off by my colleagues in this House, and they relate to water, land blocks, and burial grounds in your territory. I am very pleased to see in this bill provision for the descendants of Tamatea to have actual authority over what happens on their land. That will be a challenge for the councils that work outside of the perimeters of this House. Despite what is said in Parliament, we are all familiar with the challenges\u2014which, by the way, are confirmed by my senior colleague the Hon Kelvin Davis, for, as he travels around the country attending to his Crown/M\u0101ori relations portfolio, he contends that some of the most frustrating challenges throughout the land are the abuses that stem from local or district councils. Take note: you will be challenged. Yes, Ng\u0101i Tamatea will have a voice in matters pertaining to them; yes, it will be an authoritative one, but we also know that councils, unfortunately, are sometimes populated by people who are deaf to the unique circumstances of the M\u0101ori world. Stand firm.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI see amongst the provisions of the bill that ancestral names and place names that are highly significant to you are to be recognised, so no one will be able to say that the name of one of these places is a P\u0101keh\u0101 name, no. This bill recognises the real names of places that are in your domain, and that makes me glad. The big job ahead now is to ensure that people will be able to properly pronounce your various ancestral names. I have heard the pronunciation of some people in this House, and I am despondent for our language and for the names of our ancestors. You will need to set your minds to the task, as will we.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E[Bell rung]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EYou have heard it\u2014anyone would think this was the Manu K\u014Drero. The bell has rung.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EIn conclusion, therefore, ladies and gentlemen\u2014and I see you there, my brother Kiwa Whatarau. My comments go directly to your daughter, to your youngest, for therein lies the lifeblood of this bill. It is for the generations still to come. I cannot think of a single elder who died during this long, arduous haul who did it all for himself\u2014not one. The elders\u2019 words have passed down to now rest on the shoulders of future generations. So, I say to you, my girl, Te Ataroa, the responsibility now rests with your generation; the restoration of the dignity of your elders and ancestors is contained in this bill and must be enacted by you. You, the younger generation, must take hold of the challenge in the coming years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAs a relative of the good people who are sitting up there, I am pleased to commend this bill to the House and to a speedy conclusion, and I further wish that the members on this side of the House are standing by to receive the invitation from Heretaunga to join them. For what, you may ask: to celebrate what has been our sole focus today, to eat together, and, of course, to see whether Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu p\u0101ua are as big as p\u0101ua from the North. To close, thank you, thank you, my esteemed ones, best wishes to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022b0ec3128455c45b79354c927a729e71c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b0ec3128455c45b79354c927a729e71c\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, this is a split call. Rima mineti ka karanga e h\u014D kia koe [Five-minute call]\u2014Tim van de Molen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022 data-id=\u0022edc497e1d44d4cc69acec8024ea8d616\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022edc497e1d44d4cc69acec8024ea8d616\u0022\u003ETIM VAN DE MOLEN (National\u2014Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. Ki ng\u0101 hap\u016B, ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau o ng\u0101 uri o Heretaunga, Tamatea, nau mai ki t\u0113nei Whare.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E[To the tribes and to the families of the descendants of Heretaunga and of Tamatea, welcome to this House.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EAs a new member of this House, this is my first opportunity to speak to a Treaty settlement bill, and I am both excited and, I admit, somewhat nervous taking this opportunity. But I would just like to start by acknowledging the importance of gaining closure in these matters, both for Heretaunga Tamatea and, indeed, for all New Zealanders. I\u2019d also like to claim a link, if I may, through my own history as a member of Ng\u0101ti T\u016Bmatauenga, which, I believe, is shared by many members of Heretaunga Tamatea, and also a shared link through, I believe, a shared desire to strive for a better future for all of our tamariki.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to acknowledge the commitment from the former Minister, the Hon Christopher Finlayson, with the many years of hard work he has put into Treaty negotiations under the former Government, and, of course, the current Minister, the Hon Andrew Little, for picking up the baton, as it were, and continuing with this work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EAs I\u2019ve mentioned, I value the opportunity to improve relations between the Crown and this hap\u016B, and what we\u2019ve seen through this settlement is that, obviously, there\u2019s an element of financial reparation within that. And I\u2019d just like to acknowledge that whilst that\u2019s an important part, money actually doesn\u2019t heal the emotional harm that is carried by people in these situations; but, actually, it does provide opportunity to grow, to develop, and, hopefully, to flourish.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EOne area that I think needs to be touched on again, and has actually been touched on by most speakers, is the Glasgow leases, in particular around Te Aute College. Those leases are a model that was put in place many, many years ago, and, at the time, perhaps that was the most appropriate model. The current setup that we have in terms of operational lease agreements for land is somewhat more advanced, and I would certainly look forward to exploring a more appropriate solution in the future in that regard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EJust touching on the college, actually; it\u2019s fantastic to see some of the fine students that have come from that establishment, and I just wanted to, in particular, mention one of those today, Second Lieutenant Te Moananui-a-Kiwa Ng\u0101rimu VC. He served as an intelligence officer in the New Zealand Army during the Second World War, and I have a particular affinity, having served not as an intelligence officer but as an infantry officer. It was encouraging to see and to learn about his story. He was in command of a platoon in C Company of the M\u0101ori Battalion, having been shifted sideways from an intelligence officer role into that, and he was involved in the action at Tebaga Gap in March 1943.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003ENow, unfortunately, he died in service in that particular offensive\u2014and, subsequently, defensive\u2014action, but I decided to share the citation given with his posthumous Victoria Cross: \u201CHe led his men with great determination and skill straight up the face of the hill, undeterred by the intense mortar and machine-gun fire which caused considerable casualties. Displaying courage and leadership of the highest order he was himself first on the hill crest, personally annihilating at least two enemy machine gun posts.\u201D He was, it\u2019s important to note, the first M\u0101ori to receive the Victoria Cross.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EI make this connection because I believe that strength, that determination, and that courage that he showed represents some of the shared values that are present in this agreement and, indeed, outlines some of the importance around freedom, around opportunity, loyalty, and family: areas that are shared on this side of the HousWilliee and, indeed, by all members of the House, I am sure, and values that have underpinned negotiations between the Crown and Heretaunga Tamatea. So it\u2019s encouraging to see this now progressing through the final stages in the House, and I wish Heretaunga Tamatea all the best for their future. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022 data-id=\u00220156328ca1204aa38f2e56654597788e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220156328ca1204aa38f2e56654597788e\u0022\u003ESIMEON BROWN (National\u2014Pakuranga):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Assistant Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EKi ng\u0101 hap\u016B, ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau o ng\u0101 uri o Heretaunga, Tamatea, nau mai ki t\u0113nei Whare. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E[To the tribes and to the families of the descendants of Heretaunga and of Tamatea, welcome to this House. Kia ora.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EIt is a pleasure to take a call on the Heretaunga Tamatea Claims Settlement Bill, the third reading, and as my colleague Tim van de Molen said, I\u2019m also a new member to this House, and it is one of my first opportunities to speak on a settlement bill and it is my first opportunity on a third reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003ESo, at the outset, I\u2019d like to acknowledge the people who\u2019ve been part of this process, and, firstly, I\u2019d like to acknowledge everyone here in the gallery representing Heretaunga Tamatea. We appreciate you coming down to Wellington to be here and to witness the passing, unanimously, of the third reading of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EI would also like to acknowledge the Hon Christopher Finlayson for the work that he has done in shepherding this bill through the parliamentary process, and Andrew Little, who is now completing it as Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations. I\u2019d also like to acknowledge the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee for the work that they have done hearing submissions, understanding the story, understanding what needs to be done, and ensuring that this legislation represents the intention of the settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EThis bill relates to a deed of settlement signed by the Crown in 2007. It records the Crown\u2019s apology and agrees to a final settlement of all historical Treaty of Waitangi claims for Heretaunga Tamatea. This is a wide-ranging historical claim which includes alienation of land through the failure to implement the terms of pre-Treaty land transactions, the Land Claims Commission, the dispossession of land through deliberately misleading business practices, and the impact of the loss of communal ancestral lands on traditional tribal structure.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EDuring the 20th century, Heretaunga Tamatea hap\u016B and wh\u0101nau suffered social, economic, and cultural marginalisation, with more than half of their people living outside the traditional rohe today. As we consider this bill and as we seek to pass it, we remember the wrongs of the past and we look to the future. So this bill includes an apology\u2014an official Crown apology\u2014cultural redress, statutory acknowledgments, deeds of recognition, and financial redress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EI just want to take a short moment to acknowledge each one of those five aspects. An apology is important because it recognises the wrongs which took place. It recognises that it was wrong and that it must be apologised for, and that is that the Crown does say sorry for what was done. The cultural redress understands and reflects the fact that there was an impact on the Heretaunga Tamatea people, and it seeks to address the challenges from the economic and cultural place that they have been put in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EStatutory acknowledgments and deeds of recognition mean that there is recognition through legislation. I think my colleagues have sort of touched on how this makes recognition under the Resource Management Act and the Heritage New Zealand Pouhere Taonga Act. The authorities who give resource consents under these Acts must also have regard to these statements for certain purposes, and there are 27 statutory acknowledgments, covering a wide range of different issues. The deeds of recognition require the Crown to consult with Heretaunga Tamatea and to have regard for Heretaunga Tamatea\u2019s special association with a site or place and specify Heretaunga Tamatea input into the management of those areas administered by the Department of Conservation and the Commissioner of Crown Lands. There are 20 deeds of settlement recognised in this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EFinally, financial and commercial redress: the redress recognises the losses suffered by Heretaunga Tamatea arising from breaches by the Crown of its Treaty of Waitangi obligations. It will provide Heretaunga Tamatea with resources to assist them in developing their economic and social well-being. We all acknowledge that the contribution that the Crown can make is only a small portion of the harm which was done, and we know that it will go a long way to helping to support the future of Heretaunga Tamatea as it looks to the future, and that includes $100 million of finance and a range of property which is also selected as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003ESo I commend this bill to the House and I look forward to its rapid passing. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u002233d423ac2d9b4d7ea2b46edffd6dc8a9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002233d423ac2d9b4d7ea2b46edffd6dc8a9\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Associate Minister for M\u0101ori Development):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora. Kia ora, Mr Assistant Speaker. Koutou katoa Heretaunga Tamatea, Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu, he h\u014Dnore nui ki te kite i a koutou i t\u0113nei w\u0101, he tika me mihi ki a koutou m\u014D \u014D koutou kaha ki te k\u014Dkiri i t\u0113nei kaupapa, mai te t\u012Bmata tae noa ki n\u0101ianei. T\u0113nei te tino mihi ki a koutou m\u014D \u014D koutou kaha, ki te whawhai m\u014D t\u0113nei kaupapa i ng\u0101 w\u0101 katoa, t\u0113nei te tino mihi. Haramai, haramai, nau mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Kia ora, Mr Assistant Speaker. To you all who hail from Heretaunga, from Tamatea, from Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu, I am honoured to see you at this time. It is only right that I should acknowledge your determination to advance this matter right from the start, until now. I really do applaud your steadfastness for continuing the fight on this important issue. I salute you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI was listening to the member over there, and he was talking about being a little bit shy and humble to talk about his connection with Kahungunu. I\u2019m not so shy, and so I just thought I\u2019d remind you all of your greatest rugby player, my grandfather Everard Jackson, as I\u2019m sure some of the kaum\u0101tuas will confirm. I remember him at these times when I see people\u20141934 to 1940, he played for Hawke\u2019s Bay and was an All Black. I\u2019m always reminded of him when I see the people here, and of my uncles, who have played a major part. Some of you probably don\u2019t go along with them some of the time\u2014my Uncle Moana Jackson and Uncle Syd Jackson, probably two of your\u2014[Applause from the gallery] Oh, so you\u2014well, the family was a bit split. The family was a bit split, but they were good times, the way they always advocated, in terms of kaupapa M\u0101ori, for Kahungunu all the time\u2014all the time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019m reminded of them when I see you all here today, and I mihi to you for coming for this wonderful kaupapa. You\u2019ve heard all the details, and I want to say well done to the negotiators, Liz Munroe, Peter Paku, Brian Morris, and, of course, Dr David T\u012Bpene-Leach. It\u2019s important we acknowledge those negotiators.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI didn\u2019t want to be negative today about anything because we\u2019re in celebration mode\u2014right?\u2014but I think that at these sorts of times, there are appropriate times to acknowledge the pros and cons of the Treaty settlement process. There are appropriate times to recognise what a National Government\u2014you know, I couldn\u2019t believe it at the time. Seriously, you know, we were always at war with the Tories when I was a union official, but I give them all the credit in the world for what happened in the mid-1990s\u2014all the credit in the world.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EIn 1995, the National Government set up the claims framework, believing that it was necessary to restore honour for the Crown and to assist M\u0101ori economically and socially, while acknowledging there would be no parity for M\u0101ori while the claims existed. Now, they were honest enough at the time to admit that M\u0101ori could not be recompensed, and I remember well what Jim Bolger, the Prime Minister, and Doug Graham said. They said that the total loss for M\u0101ori, they could not compensate for that, and it\u2019s always important to remember that\u2014that we are settling for less than 2 percent of the total loss. Never, never forget that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EOur people have made a huge contribution to this country\u2014a huge contribution to this country. We all know what the claims are worth. Tainui and Ng\u0101i Tahu, economists said, could\u2019ve claimed up to $20 billion, and what did they claim? They claimed $170 million\u2014$170 million. Why did they do that\u2014why did they do that? They did that to move on. They did that to give their iwi a start. They did that because they wanted to contribute to New Zealand. The National Party recognised that at the time. Labour recognised it at the time. The sad part is New Zealanders still don\u2019t recognise that. That\u2019s the sad part. In fact, the level of naivety is astounding\u2014absolutely astounding.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWe could have bankrupted this country. We could have bankrupted this country if we had gone through each tribe, and the significance of the losses in each tribe, and that makes me sad because the loss is not recognised. Even one of New Zealand\u2019s finest businessmen, Hugh Fletcher, said the Treaty settlement process\u2014and, again, meaning no disrespect to the National Government or Labour, but he said he wouldn\u2019t have even participated in it, so bad was the compensation. But we, as a people, have not been given our dues\u2014not been given our recognition. You walk down Lambton Quay right now and you ask 100 people, \u201CWhat do you think of those M\u0101oris, that Kahungunu lot who got a settlement?\u201D; 80 percent of them will say, \u201CWell, that\u2019s a bit of separatism, isn\u2019t it? That\u2019s a bit of racism, isn\u2019t it?\u201D We are still not there as a country. We are still not there as a country, and that makes me sad\u2014that makes me sad.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EAnd we\u2019re not helped, of course, by prominent businessmen. I go back a year or so, Sir William Gallagher, who said, \u201CThere\u2019s no doubt [that] (M\u0101ori) gave up sovereignty \u2026 and now we have all these bloody reparations going on.\u201D That\u2019s \u201Cseparatism\u201D. That\u2019s \u201Capartheid\u201D. \u201CThere is no definition of M\u0101ori\u201D, he said. \u201CYou are M\u0101ori if you feel you are M\u0101ori.\u201D\u2014Sir William Gallagher said that. He apologised later on, of course, because he knew things weren\u2019t going to go too well for business.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EAnd we had Bob Jones, of course, saying the whole Treaty process was all about a gravy train. And then he said other despicable things that are a waste of time repeating in the House\u2014waste of time repeating in the House. Then you get the weekly racist rubbish from Don Brash and the Hobson\u2019s Pledge nutjobs. They send us emails\u2014they all send us emails about how unfair it is that \u201CKahungngng\u201D\u2014well, they can\u2019t even say it properly, but they say \u201Cthat \u2018Kahunununu-whatever\u2019 lot, how racist those \u2018Kahunununu\u2019 lot are\u2014your friends. How racist they are for picking up that $100 million that should have been $1 billion.\u201D You get that happening every week, always hitting us all the time, and we have a New Zealand that\u2019s not aware of what really happened\u201423 years on from when the National Party set up the Treaty framework. It disturbs me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo I wonder\u2014and I have colleagues in the House here and we talk about it ourselves\u2014if we should be teaching the Treaty in the schools. I wonder about that. Now, I\u2019m not putting out Labour policy or anything like that. I\u2019ve got my senior mate over here, Minister Twyford, thinking, \u201COh, be careful, Willie.\u201D He\u2019s got to watch it himself, of course. But this is the type of k\u014Drero that we have to have as mature politicians. Should we be teaching our history in schools, teaching our kids about the settlement process so they can grow up and talk about why their t\u012Bpuna were ripped off?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI worry sometimes that we get so politically worried about polls and whatnot that we don\u2019t do the right thing. And it\u2019s something to consider, I think. But I\u2019m optimistic. I\u2019m hopeful that this $105 million settlement for Heretaunga Tamatea fulfils all the potential we know within the tribe. You see, we have a new breed of politicians. And I\u2019ll say that on both sides of the House. We all understand\u2014all politicians here understand the history in terms of injustice, inequality, sexism, and racism. It doesn\u2019t matter, now, whether you\u2019re in Labour, National, or the Greens or whatever. We all understand that. It was brought to the fore no better than when our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said recently, \u201Cwe have failed in our partnership, but I inherently believe in our power to change\u201D. She also said \u201Chold us to account.\u201D in terms of that Treaty partnership. With the greatest respect to her, I think this is bigger than one party being held to account. This country should be held to account. The obligations in terms of the partnership don\u2019t just fall on the Labour Party, they fall on this whole House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EAll of us have obligations to fulfil the principles of a partnership that was first thought about in 1840. That\u2019s just the kaupapa that I wanted to talk about today in terms of this particular settlement. I think we have responsibilities as politicians to fulfil the initial hopes, the initial principles, that were set out in the Treaty of Waitangi, and I hope that we can think about that every time we sit down to sign off on Treaty settlements like this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira ki a koutou, h\u014Dnore nui t\u0113nei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Therefore, to you all, this is a great honour.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022 data-id=\u0022b1ffed579d8c40549e557e0e02ea1dc0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b1ffed579d8c40549e557e0e02ea1dc0\u0022\u003EIAN McKELVIE (National\u2014Rangit\u012Bkei):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora Mr Assistant Speaker. It\u2019s a privilege to be asked to make a contribution on behalf of the National Opposition on the Heretaunga Tamatea Claims Settlement Bill this afternoon. I just wanted to start, I guess, by making mention of the Hon Chris Finlayson and Andrew Little. Because I think that in Finlayson\u2019s time as the Minister he did a wonderful job with a very difficult task. And I want to comment in a minute on a couple of things that the previous speaker said\u2014Willie Jackson\u2014because I don\u2019t agree with one or two of the things he said and I\u2019m going to make a point of that. But I think this process\u2014and I absolutely agree with what he said about that\u2014has been pretty amazing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EAnd I think if you think about our time in this House, probably the most rewarding thing that we\u2019re able to participate in as parliamentarians is the Treaty settlement process. And I absolutely agree with the previous speaker Willie Jackson that the process will never compensate fully for what went on in our past in New Zealand. And I\u2019ll get into some boarding school issues later on that we won\u2019t compensate for either. But I do want to take one thing up with the previous speaker. I don\u2019t think\u2014whatever happened in the Treaty settlement process\u2014that the process would have bankrupted New Zealand. And the reason I say that is because all the Treaty settlements I\u2019ve witnessed to date have been hugely beneficial to the communities that they are settled on. They\u2019re hugely beneficial to New Zealand. And I know very well that the M\u0101ori people are very like the Scottish\u2014they don\u2019t part with stuff readily. And so when they get it, they make the most of it, and I think that\u2019s pretty special. So I don\u2019t think it matters how much or what goes on in the course of the Treaty settlement process, it\u2019s always valued and it\u2019s always looked after in a pretty amazing way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI also think that in my case in the Rangit\u012Bkei we\u2019ve had a couple of settlements; one that\u2019s been around for a little while, a very small settlement around Ng\u0101ti Apa. And to watch the progress that they\u2019ve made\u2014and, in fact, Mr Assistant Speaker, your own area and your own people to some extent\u2014with their settlement, I think, is spectacular and the partnerships that they\u2019ve built with their community that they live in as a result of those settlements are also spectacular. I think that we can expect the same thing to happen throughout New Zealand, and I think that\u2019s the exciting thing about it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003ESo I have no mandate to speak about the wonderful personalities of Heretaunga Tamatea who have worked so hard to achieve this settlement other than to say that I admire them greatly and I admire their persistence, their determination, and congratulate them on achieving the settlement. And I want to make another observation, because I think that one of the really intimidating things about this process for anyone who participates in it is that you\u2019re really making a decision that\u2019s almost like a settlement for life. So you\u2019re almost giving yourself a life sentence, because you are making a decision on behalf of future generations. That\u2019s hugely important, not only for those future generations but for this country. And so it is a very challenging thing to go through. So I congratulate all those people who have been involved in it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI think, from the Crown\u2019s side of it, too, those Ministers and members of the teams that put these settlements together are pretty special as well. They do a great job, and whilst we may, as Willie Jackson said, never get to the full extent or get to a position that perhaps we\u2019d have, ideally, got to, I hope we\u2019ll get to a position where, again, the issues that the previous speaker raised, where you can walk down the street and we can be proud of the fact that we\u2019ve got to a point in New Zealand where we have, at least, repaired the damage and we accept that, as a community and a society, it\u2019s a very good way to go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI want to talk about the Heretaunga Plains for a minute, in Hawke\u2019s Bay. It\u2019s a wonderful, pretty, hugely fertile, and amazing place. It\u2019s a place where I was fortunate, when I was young, to spend a lot of time. It\u2019s a place that\u2019s managed, I guess, to capture my mother, my sister, and my daughter\u2014some bloke got them all and took them out of the Manawat\u016B, or out of the Rangit\u012Bkei, and took them to Hawke\u2019s Bay. That\u2019s about the only connection I\u2019ve got with Hawke\u2019s Bay. It\u2019s interesting they only ever get the females; they don\u2019t get the males to shift over there, but it is an interesting place. I think, whether you start at Cape Kidnappers and go all the way to Porangahau, it is a beautiful part of New Zealand, and it\u2019s a part of New Zealand that we should all be very proud of. And I think that Marama Davidson mentioned, in her speech, the environmental challenges that that part of New Zealand has. I think there\u2019s been some spectacular progress made with respect to that as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI wanted to talk briefly about Te Aute because I remember, as a skinny little winger, getting beaten up by a big boy from Te Aute. Luckily, the score ended up in our favour at the end of it. But I went to, I suppose, the brother-school of Te Aute in Whanganui. And I noticed that the very good Catholic former Minister Finlayson was talking about Hato P\u0101ora College\u2014well, we also beat them. But he couldn\u2019t resist bringing that Catholic piece into it. And I know us Anglicans are very suspicious of them, but I am also equally sure that the settlement process, while I think that it will be great for Te Aute, I just hope that the history and the value of schools like Te Aute, Hato P\u0101ora, and Turakina M\u0101ori Girls College, which, unfortunately, has since closed\u2014I think they\u2019re so important to New Zealand and to our future that I think we should do everything we can to preserve them. I notice Wanganui Collegiate School has allowed girls to go to the school. I\u2019m not sure Te Aute has got to that point yet, but that\u2019s, obviously, some progress that could be made if it does.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003ESo I think that it\u2019s really important that we do make the most of these pieces of history for us, really, because they are great parts of our history. And I was fortunate as well to go to school with a grandson of Sir M\u0101ui P\u014Dmare, so he might have gone to Te Aute but his grandson went to Wanganui Collegiate. And that just shows how close together we are, really, as a society.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI wanted to mention something else that Peeni Henare spoke about, and I think it\u2019s an issue that us Scottish people have a great deal of difficulty getting our tongues around: the pronunciation of some of the\u2014and I would have hated to take up Rino Tirikatene\u2019s role of trying to read out all those hap\u016B. That would have got my tongue going really badly. But I think Peeni Henare made a really important point, and it is that, as New Zealanders, we do need to learn how to pronounce M\u0101ori names properly. We need to learn how to speak the language properly. I\u2019m sure future generations\u2014and I know that the next generations of my family are much more proficient in this sort of thing than I am. I just hope we continue that, because it is part of our heritage, and I think, wherever you go in the world, we\u2019ve often made the point\u2014or, not made the point; we\u2019ve lost our heritage through, basically, ignoring and neglecting those sorts of things. And I think that\u2019s a really important point that we need to pick up in this Parliament. It\u2019s also an important thing that, I think, the Treaty settlement process gives us the opportunity to strengthen a lot of those bits of our history that we need to strengthen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003ESo I think it\u2019s an exciting time for New Zealand, frankly, as we work our way through these Treaty settlement processes, and I realise there\u2019s a lot of angst and, as I said earlier, it is a very brave decision that many of these people\u2014these men and women\u2014make as they go through these, I guess, effectively, forgiving 160 years of history and setting us off on a new pathway to the future. So I think it\u2019s exciting. I look forward to that continuing and I think, as a Parliament, we are making the very best of what, historically, has been a difficult situation for us. And I think, when you saw the Parliament this morning, where the two sides of the House were far from agreeing with what was going on in here, I think it\u2019s a real privilege for us also to be able, equally, to agree on something like this on the same day as this morning, when we were disagreeing with stuff. I think that\u2019s the strength of this place, and I just congratulate everyone in the House on their part in that, and I certainly congratulate Heretaunga Tamatea and Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu on the efforts they\u2019ve put in to settling this thing. Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u0022919e01c39d0c4c8a84d2058e3b186295\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022919e01c39d0c4c8a84d2058e3b186295\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI (Minister of Customs):\u003C/span\u003E E Te M\u0101ngai, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. E ng\u0101 mema o Te Whare nei, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. E ng\u0101 marae maha, e ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa o Heretaunga Tamatea, e kuia m\u0101, e koro m\u0101, e ng\u0101 rangatira, mokopuna hoki, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou nau mai, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou nau mai, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[Mr Assistant Speaker, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Members of this House, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. To the many marae represented here, to the numerous tribal groupings of Heretaunga, of Tamatea, distinguished elders and chiefs, right to our grandchildren here, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou nau mai, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou nau mai, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIt is, indeed, my privilege to be the last speaker on this most important bill, at the third and final reading of the Heretaunga Tamatea Claims Settlement Bill. It has been an absolutely long journey, and I want to commend those that had the foresight to bring the claim to the Crown\u2019s attention, and our negotiators for their efforts. I want to acknowledge the former Minister of Treaty settlements, the Hon Chris Finlayson; the current Minister, Andrew Little; and all officials that were involved in ensuring that we are here, in this House, addressing this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EMy colleague Louisa Wall, when we p\u014D\u2019hiri-ed our wh\u0101nau to this House\u2014and, I want to say, four buses left at 5 a.m. this morning from the original site of the Kotahitanga M\u0101ori Parliament of Waipatu Marae, and I commend them for being here today. Louisa said to me as we had the p\u014D\u2019hiri in the Banquet Hall, \u201CMate, where is the rangatira w\u0101hine whakaahua?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[where is the photo of the woman of rank?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo I thought I would take this time to acknowledge the w\u0101hine toa who whakapapa-ed to many of the people that are in this House. I draw on Ng\u0101 Taumata: Portrait Of Ngati Kahungunu 1870 - 1906, and I want to acknowledge some of the leading M\u0101ori women who stood up for our land rights, for the health of our wh\u0101nau, and for suffrage in our communities back in Heretaunga Tamatea.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI want to start with \u0100kenehi P\u0101toka R\u0101tima Rerepukapuka T\u014Dmoana from Ng\u0101ti T\u016Bwharetoa. In 1852, \u0100kenehi P\u0101toka, a chieftainess in her own right, married H\u0113nare T\u014Dmoana, a chief of Heretaunga. With the establishment of the Native Land Court in 1865, \u0100kenehi, as with many other female landowners of those times, represented her land interests. It is quoted, \u201CThrough the courage of my wife \u0100kenehi \u2026 the lands have been retained\u201D. This is what H\u0113nare T\u014Dmoana said at the Native Land Court hearings of the Whenuakura land block in 1883. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u0100rihi Te Nahu, Ng\u0101ti Te Rangi-ko-ia-anake, was quoted as saying, \u201CI know this land. I have rights of ancestry, occupation and cultivation; ancestry through Honom\u014Dkai, occupation through Te Whatu\u2014i-\u0100piti, cultivation through Te H\u0101puku, and Te Moananui.\u201D \u0100rihi said this this at the hearing of the Aorangi Reserve, 18 May 1899.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EH\u014Driana Te Wharep\u016B ko Ng\u0101ti Kurukuru. H\u014Driana attended the hui w\u0101hine held at Te Hauk\u0113 in 1895 and, as with many w\u0101hine toa of those times, she sought prohibition of alcohol, temperance, and better health services for M\u0101ori. At this hui, she spoke to the motion of selling the lands. The women voted unanimously that the land sales should cease. H\u014Driana called these sales \u201Cthe greatest disaster to touch us.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EM\u0101rata Te Heuheu, also known as Marata Te Herea of Ng\u0101ti T\u016Bwharetoa. Marata was actively involved in women\u2019s institutions: the temperance movement and land court issues in both Kahungunu ki Heretaunga and Ng\u0101ti T\u016Bwharetoa. She helped in the formal establishment of Ng\u0101 Komiti W\u0101hine, with which, by 1895, 35,000 people were associated. Amongst these women were \u0100kenehi T\u014Dmoana, Pukepuke Tangiora, Horiana Tiakitai, Niniwa-i-te-Rangi, and Meri Mangak\u0101hia. Ng\u0101 Komiti W\u0101hine was formed as a response to increasing land sales, increasing drunkenness, and declining health of M\u0101ori families, while women, as landowners, wanted the right to vote.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EFinally, Pukepuke Tangiora\u2014raised at Te P\u0101, Ocean Beach, and renowned for her great beauty. In 1895, Ng\u0101 Komiti W\u0101hine emerged as a result of Te Kotahitanga. At the inaugural hui held at Te Hauk\u0113, Te Hapuku Te Nahu, a chief of Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu and Ng\u0101ti Te Whatu-i-\u0100piti, welcomed the women, encouraging them to uphold the deeds of their ancestors. He cited Hinepare, the wife of Te Raia, as having mana equal to that of the Queen of England. \u201CBe strong.\u201D, he encouraged them. Pukepuke Tangiora encouraged other women to stand and speak their thoughts. She\u2019s quoted as saying, \u201COther women have chastised the men for their failure to bring about the cessation of land sales. Let us, the women, share our thoughts about these issues.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThere have been many times I have stood in this House to defend M\u0101ori land. With those women that I have recited, there is no reason why people should be concerned or surprised that I have stood in this House against land legislation that will alienate our people. It is those great w\u0101hine toa that I have talked about, and the many others, who, at that time, stood to retain M\u0101ori whenua. Today, here, we are celebrating a small compensation for the land that was lost by Heretaunga Tamatea.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EOver five generations\u2014five generations\u2014from 1850 to the 1900s, Heretaunga Tamatea went from owning 1.4 million hectares in Heretaunga Tamatea, and it was reduced to 200,000 hectares. That was 1.2 million hectares lost by these people, and, yes, we are celebrating $105 million compensation. You do the maths: 1.2 million hectares done by the actions and omissions of the Crown, who promised the retention of M\u0101ori land and undisturbed possession of our taonga. That is what we are here acknowledging, but we are also celebrating the fact that we were coming to a conclusion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI, too, was at Te Aute College when we signed the deed in September 2015. I remember it dearly, because it\u2019s the school that my dad attended and my three brothers. It\u2019s at this time that I think about those that are no longer with us. And I know my dad, my grandmother, my great-grandmother, and that\u2019s why I want to whakapapa and acknowledge Tapairu, Rongomaraeroa, R\u0101kaut\u0101tahi, my Om\u0101hu, my Kohup\u0101tiki, my Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera whakapapa, because I stand on their shoulders today in acknowledging the finality of the Heretaunga Tamatea Claims Settlement Bill. Without those people that have gone before us, there is nothing left.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIn the time I\u2019ve got left, can I please make this statement about the Glasgow leases. The M\u0101ori Affairs Committee made it very, very clear. The select committee, which is a bipartisan committee, has made this statement: \u201CWe do not consider the bill to be the proper forum for addressing the wider issue of Glasgow leases more generally.\u201D That is what the select committee has said. That is what the current Minister said in his second speech. So to our Glasgow leases, our Whatui\u0101piti people, please remember that in the passing of this bill, the Crown and the representatives from the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee have acknowledged there is much more work to do on the Glasgow leases.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, e te wh\u0101nau kua huihui mai i t\u0113nei w\u0101, harikoa te ngakau ka kitekite i a koutou i runga i te kaupapa tino whakahirahira i a t\u0101tou katoa. No reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[Therefore, to you my brethren gathered here now, I am overjoyed to see you on this, an auspicious occasion for us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[Haka]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022aad43d07ebc94e1a8fbdc661b6c318e8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022aad43d07ebc94e1a8fbdc661b6c318e8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can I acknowledge and thank the people in the gallery and say that today is a day which no one here will ever forget, if for nothing else but your response to us. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224ecf73c95cfe4791831027d57329f37b\u0022\u003ETaxation (Neutralising Base Erosion and Profit Shifting) Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b3467d029bd94ff8b343d29af28e3c13\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000457\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 20 June.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f15922b6afe04035b8beaf09374f4dc7\u0022\u003ENew Part 3  Parameters of Review\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022 data-id=\u00226fa0d06959e24b109efd86daa74f859d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226fa0d06959e24b109efd86daa74f859d\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENNETT (National\u2014Hamilton East):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for the chance to speak on this bill. I\u2019d just like to reflect on the previous sitting of the Parliament and just to echo the words, I think Willie Jackson probably made his finest speech in this Parliament with his contribution to that last bill, and I agree wholeheartedly with him. I think that for the newer members of Parliament\u2014you\u2019ve just witnessed one of the special times that you see in this Parliament, where you actually see some redress being done. It may not be full redress, but at least partial redress is done in this Parliament, and that is a good thing for members of the House. I\u2019d just like to congratulate the many people that have travelled here today and wish them all the best.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EI realise that we\u2019re getting on to the bill, Minister Nash, but, actually, taxation could not be far from the thoughts of the very people that have received a Treaty settlement, because through having a lower tax rate they will no doubt be able to get more income and build their equity and their base. One thing that we should always aim to in our country is for lower taxes, and that would make us a much stronger country. Madam Chair is looking at me wondering where this is going to, but we have an amendment that\u2019s in the name of the member for Hunua, Mr Bayly, and that amendment seeks to have in Part 3 a review of the base erosion rules.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003ENow, basically, the base erosion and profit shifting rules that we\u2019re looking at here today are to ensure that people pay their tax in New Zealand and don\u2019t try and shift their tax obligation overseas through transfer of funds, through dividends, and through interest and suchlike.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EThat really becomes so important in the corporate tax - paying world, where you see the environment that we\u2019re going into. The amendment seeks to have a review, and, essentially, the really important part of that is in clause 55(2)(b), where it says that \u201Crelevant changes in taxation policy in relevant OECD countries;\u201D are important and it would continue to consider those other countries as part of the review. That is so crucial for New Zealand and for the iwi that have just been in the gallery, because if we look at what\u2019s happening around the world, in the OECD, there is a major transition to lower company tax rates: France are moving to 25 percent\u2014even with a left-wing Government, they\u2019re still moving to a 25 percent tax rate; the US, the biggest drop of all, are moving from 35 percent to 21 percent\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e19b0e1a1e3438c8e4bc1c281981abe\u0022\u003ESimeon Brown\u003C/span\u003E: Forward-thinking!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022789ceedf90c04e539a3ca87a5ee8a80d\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: Forward-thinking it is. Australia are taking their company tax rate down to 25 percent, whereas in New Zealand we\u2019re stuck at 28 percent and there\u2019s no hope that that\u2019s going to go down. If anything, we will be going to the polls at the next election with a proposal from that Government to increase the tax rate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EThe review is important, Minister, because that review says that it would compare New Zealand tax rates against other tax rates. The reason that\u2019s important for base erosion is that if there is a much higher tax rate in New Zealand, the incentive would be for companies to transfer and to look at ways of base erosion in New Zealand to take advantage of lower tax rates overseas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EOne of the important things in the New Zealand economy that we need to make sure of is that our rules are consistent with overseas rules, so that we\u2019re not encouraging behaviour that would actually mean that the New Zealand Government misses out in total. The way we\u2019re going with tax rates in the corporate world in New Zealand is that we are creating a difference between what a company would pay in New Zealand tax rates\u2014that is significant\u2014and what a company would pay in another country, and that will be the incentive for base erosion. So this review is really important, because that will identify any points in which the New Zealand tax rates are out of kilter and, therefore, would encourage base erosion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003ESo Mr Bayly has done an excellent job in putting this forward, and I just want to remind people again of that US tax rate: 21 percent; Australia, 25 percent; France, 25 percent; the UK, about 20 percent, 19 percent; and New Zealand 28 percent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u0022cf51b9d9ce734d7bb712e92de9831d22\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cf51b9d9ce734d7bb712e92de9831d22\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister of Revenue):\u003C/span\u003E In my experience in the House, normally the first call on an amendment tends to be quite relevant to the amendment, but that\u2019s OK. I mean, that\u2019s fine. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EAs Mr Bennett will know, as the honourable member will know, this is actually a tabled amendment by Mr Bayly to add another part to the bill. What Mr Bayly is suggesting this is about is that after five years we review the whole piece of legislation on base erosion and profit shifting (BEPS) to see what\u2019s happened with the OECD, to see how the world has changed, and to see if we\u2019re still relevant. Now, there are two things I would say to this. The first thing I would say is that the Finance and Expenditure Committee only received one submission on a review of the bill, and that submission was on a three-year review, and it was specifically to do with the permanent establishment rules. That is all. It wasn\u2019t to do with the whole legislation whatsoever. So there was no widespread call for this at all. In fact, you could say there\u2019s almost no interest in this whatsoever. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EBut the most important thing, I would say, and the reason why we can\u2019t back this and why I can\u2019t back this as a Minister, is because of something that the Hon David Bennett will be well aware of as a previous chair of the Finance and Expenditure Committee, which is that tax legislation is always under review\u2014it\u2019s always under review. In fact, there are normally about two omnibus tax bills before the House every single year, tidying up or changing or amending or deleting pieces of tax legislation. So what the IRD does is just business as usual. It just goes through legislation and it amends it appropriately depending on what circumstances are current and what aren\u2019t. So the US tax rate has nothing to do with this whatsoever. But what the IRD will do, and what the IRD will continue to do\u2014and keep it in mind that we have experts in this area, and I\u2019ve spoken about this three or four times in the chair. We have Carmel Peters, for example, who is a world expert in base erosion and profit shifting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EPlease don\u2019t think that as soon as this bill passes through the House, then that\u2019s the end\u2014we up sticks and we don\u2019t do another thing on BEPS ever again. Anyone in this House who has had anything to do with tax knows, whether it\u2019s on select committee, whether it\u2019s speaking on a bill\u2014and you will be speaking on another omnibus bill soon\u2014or whether it\u2019s even as a Minister of Revenue or having sat on the Finance and Expenditure Committee, that tax law, by its very nature, has to keep up with the changing world. It has to keep up with the changing world. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EMy concern is that if we actually passed a piece of legislation like this\u2014this tabled amendment: new Part 3 of Mr Bayly\u2019s\u2014then it might send the impression that, \u201CYou know what? We\u2019re not going to do anything for five years. We\u2019re going to sit back and we\u2019re going to let the rest of the world do whatever they do. The world\u2019s going to move on, and we\u2019re going to do nothing until the review comes up.\u201D And the review of a piece of legislation like this would take about a year; it would come through the House\u2014so, all up, let\u2019s say 12 to 24 months. Well, that is totally unrealistic. What I would say is that IRD will not wait for five years to review this piece of legislation. They\u2019ll not stop looking at what\u2019s happening globally. They won\u2019t stop amending the legislation to make sure it is absolutely relevant and world class and maintains the integrity of the tax system, because the integrity of the tax system is the utmost consideration of the Inland Revenue Department. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003ESo what Mr Bayly is proposing is something that is done anyway. What Mr Bayly is proposing may, in fact, send the very wrong message\u2014that being that we\u2019re not going to do anything for five years. So what I can promise Mr Bayly, and the previous speaker David Bennett, and this committee, is that Inland Revenue will not stop in ensuring that our base erosion and profit shifting legislation is, in fact, world leading and meets all the requirements of the OECD, and continues to keep pace with the changing global market place. So that is why I, simply, can\u2019t support this tabled amendment. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022 data-id=\u00222100baca46ec4609a7f21ea37eab04d3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222100baca46ec4609a7f21ea37eab04d3\u0022\u003EALASTAIR SCOTT (National\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019d like to respectfully disagree with Minister Nash and his comments on the Taxation (Neutralising Base Erosion and Profit Shifting) Bill. He was quite confused, I think, because on the one hand he said that we\u2019re always reviewing tax law, but then he doesn\u2019t want to review this more formally\u2014I acknowledge that. My point here is that this is a very complicated, large piece of work\u2014new work, pioneering work, leading-edge work. We have one of the world\u2019s experts in the field, and I acknowledge that, but then surely, for that reason alone, the fact that we are leading the world in this legislation and practice\u2014surely that is a very good reason to make sure that we are checking ourselves more formally than just a business-as-usual review.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EThe comments the Minister said\u2014that business as usual was about reviewing stuff, but then he didn\u2019t actually want to do a full-blown review, a proper review, because it took from one year to 24 months, to use his words\u2014far too long, far too time-consuming, too many resources applied to review this particular piece of legislation, but then he\u2019s happy for the guys in the back office of IRD somewhere, to review it anyway as business as usual. So it seems to me that those guys doing business as usual will not give enough attention, will not give enough focus on the review of this leading legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003ESo I do support the review of the legislation, and I\u2019m going to obviously support the amendment, which talks about five years\u2014the Minister has mentioned three, a submitter has mentioned three years as an appropriate time. Maybe three years is an appropriate time, but I think that there\u2019s always a danger in leading something and not sort of looking around from time to time, because when you\u2019re at the front of a race, you don\u2019t necessarily go in the right direction. When you\u2019re leading something, you may go down a path that is actually the wrong path. I\u2019ve done it\u2014orienteering and cross-country running. It\u2019s much easier to be running, following in second or third place with an eye to the leader, with an eye to the frontrunners, and then when it\u2019s appropriate to move from fifth place to fourth place to a bronze medal, silver medal, and potentially lead at a later date.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EThere are a whole lot of risks associated with leading the pack. I can\u2019t remember the term, but a \u201Cfast follower\u201D is always my preferred position, if you like, with any\u2014whether it\u2019s a business or whether it\u2019s legislation; particularly relevant in this case where we\u2019re talking about legislation. So I would really encourage the Minister to rethink his view, given that it is leading, given that it is led by one of the world\u2019s experts, given that it is new, and because of those things it is high-risk by its very nature; plus, all the complications that we all acknowledge\u2014it\u2019s the most complicated, complex tax legislation that Ms Turner, the adviser to the committee, had seen in 30 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003ESo, surely we can\u2019t just say, \u201COh well, that\u2019s pretty well done and dusted. Let\u2019s just review it as business as usual.\u201D I think we really need to take a good, hard look at this just to see where the other countries are, to look to our left and look to our right and just make sure that the guys in the other countries are following our practice\u2014make sure that they\u2019re not going off down a different road, and we find ourselves isolated with a piece of outdated legislation that will cost us a lot more in the long run if we do not review it. So there\u2019s the challenge: without review, will this potentially cost the country more than we possibly could anticipate?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003ESo I encourage the Minister to rethink and, perhaps, make a few comments on the issues that I\u2019ve raised in my contribution. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022 data-id=\u00229855969f10714c8eb56b471b74365e5c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229855969f10714c8eb56b471b74365e5c\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK (National\u2014Helensville):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate the chance to speak to this intended insertion of Part 3 proposed by Andrew Bayly\u2019s tabled amendment, following various colleagues who have done so. I also acknowledge the Minister in the chair, Stuart Nash, for his comments in relation to some points made so far. I think his remarks have been made in good faith\u2014intelligible and intelligent, but none the less not perhaps picking up on the very specific purpose of this particular amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThe Minister commented that tax law has to keep up with the changing world, and of course that is perfectly true, so far as it goes. The point of the amendment, however, is to require not only that the usual practice of New Zealand in relation to tax law is followed but, in fact, that will be our policy\u2014so not merely something that is customary but is in fact required moving forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThe Minister has commented in relation to that that it might well be that reviews of our taxation legislation in general might well take place more regularly than every five years. However, this is encapsulated well\u2014contemplated, even\u2014in the wording of the amendment, such that proposed new clause 55, named \u201CReview\u201D, specifies that the review would need to take place\u2014and I quote\u2014\u201Cno later than five years after this Act receives Royal Assent.\u201D The point of me emphasising that is that the review might well take place before the five years are up. That means that we would have a situation whereby we don\u2019t duplicate existing review-type focus, such as the Minister has highlighted, but, at the same time, we will meet the legislative intent, should the amendment pass, that a review will take place at least within the five years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EFurther to that, adding to the strength and the weight and, hence, the necessity of this provision, the language is very clear that the Minister responsible must commission a review. So the mandatory language is really important; this is not merely, as I say, a matter of custom or, perhaps, something that is a \u201Cnice to have\u201D. It will be a \u201Cneed to have\u201D, captured in our statute book as such.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EAnother aspect of this mandatory review provision, on a quinquennial basis, is that it will be the Minister responsible for the Inland Revenue Department that will be commissioning the review. The wording of the provision makes it clear that the administration of the review would be by his department, but it\u2019s significant that it will be the Minister himself\u2014or herself; obviously \u201Chimself\u201D in current terms\u2014who will be commissioning the review. This means that there is an element of responsibility in the sense of ministerial responsibility, Cabinet responsibility, and, therefore, accountability in the way that Ministers are kept accountable and are responsible to the Parliament from which they have been elected. So while it might well be the case that the Inland Revenue Department would, of its own volition, undertake a review if we did not have the specific requirement to do so, the fact that it is a requirement, or at least will be a requirement if we pass it, and the fact that the Minister himself or herself, as the case may be at the time, would be held accountable for a failure to instigate such a review is constitutionally significant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThe nature of the review is something that, perhaps, other colleagues might have more to say on, but if I could emphasise before completing this contribution the point about the requirement to be up to date really tying in with our desire to be at exactly the right pace in terms of international practices. The point was well-made by my colleague Alastair Scott that we do not wish to be either behind or, indeed, too far ahead. The point about that, if I might take the liberty of adding to my colleague\u2019s comments, is that if we are out of sync, out of whack, with other comparable jurisdictions, then we will create a situation in which it may be desirable for international entities of which there is a New Zealand operation to be more or less involved in this country in terms of the operation of their businesses than they would otherwise have been. Thus we would have created an artificial situation that we are trying to avoid by the passage of this legislation in the first place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u002200ffec5aceb64888a5dbf064395b3435\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002200ffec5aceb64888a5dbf064395b3435\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (National\u2014Papakura):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair, for this opportunity to speak in this. I have to say, it\u2019s a very well-mannered, professional, and intelligent debate from all around the Chamber.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to congratulate, in particular, Andrew Bayly, my colleague, for his incredibly good amendment suggesting that this Parliament require that there be a review in no later than five years of these provisions. I\u2019d like to thank the Minister in the chair, the Hon Stuart Nash, for taking a very intelligent look at this\u2014and good-natured, although he\u2019d be even more intelligent and good-natured if he agreed with us, in my humble opinion. And everyone knows how humble I am in my opinions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EAs the former Minister who started this whole process, I think this is a very good idea from Andrew Bayly, and I say this not just because he\u2019s my colleague and friend but because, actually, the law needs to be able to be reviewed and changed, because not just are we dealing with big multinationals and, obviously, business but it\u2019s the fact that the nature of business, the nature of communication, the nature of how things evolve is changing so rapidly. I think that what we need to do is, if we look at\u2014not saying this is a criminal area\u2014for instance, and consider the way in which quite a lot of crime has moved into the cyberspace these days, whether it\u2019s around child protection, whether it\u2019s around other criminal activity, quite a lot of it is around the cyber area now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EFive years ago, six years ago, 10 years ago, this Parliament would not have thought that was as important as we do now. So I think this is a very good opportunity to require that this review take place. I know that the Minister has said, well, look, there\u2019s nothing wrong with Inland Revenue undertaking their own review. The fact is, they won\u2019t. They won\u2019t unless they have to, because Inland Revenue will be very busy with any new Government\u2019s or any Minister\u2019s views and looking to see what policies they should be doing. They will already be undertaking their own work on other areas. They\u2019re not going to naturally be looking back to four, three, or five years before to say, well, is that working now? Their general view\u2014and certainly in my experience as a Minister\u2014is that it\u2019s very hard to get departments to want to look backwards and then say \u201CHow could we have done it better or should we look at it?\u201D unless a Minister is driving that. That is really important, I think, that we think about the fact that for Inland Revenue it will not necessarily be top of their mind to think, \u201CIs this Act\u201D\u2014it will then be an Act\u2014\u201Cactually now fit for purpose?\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EInland Revenue is going to be very busy with its own work. It\u2019s got its whole technology programmes. It\u2019s got everything it\u2019s trying to do around making sure that it is more fit for purpose in its own practices. This is going to be way down the agenda. This is not being driven by Inland Revenue; it\u2019s being driven by the OECD, and Inland Revenue is an active party in all of that and part of those considerations, and they are obviously deeply involved in it and very well respected. But the problem is, they\u2019re not the ones driving it. And I think it is really important that we as a Parliament understand that this bill is a big change in terms of our international tax structure and how we work with other jurisdictions overseas. So it is important that we keep this in the forefront of our minds.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EWe talk about multinationals. We forget that we do have some multinationals active in New Zealand who are, by the way, New Zealand companies\u2014or we would see them as New Zealand companies. I think that we need to be aware whether or not any of the provisions of what we are going to pass today or sometime this year are going to in any way badly affect their business and, therefore, the shareholders in New Zealand and New Zealand\u2019s best interests. So I think a review would be very helpful to the Minister in the chair. We would think it was a great step up for the Minister to accept this and I\u2019d fully recommend that Andrew Bayly\u2019s amendment be supported by this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the following amendment in the name of Andrew Bayly be agreed to:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EAfter clause 53B, insert new Part 3\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EPart 3 - Parameters of Review\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E54\tPurpose\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003ETo provide for a review of taxation practices in New Zealand compared to relevant international taxation schemes to ensure New Zealand taxation practices remain fit for purpose in protecting against base erosion and profit shifting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E55\tReview\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EThe Minister responsible for the Inland Revenue Department Revenue must commission a review into the functions and practices of this Act no later than five years after this Act receives Royal Assent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E(1)\tThe review must be administered by the Inland Revenue Department and;\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E(2)\tMust include a review into the nature of base erosion and profit shifting behaviour\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003Ea.\tThe provisions of this Act;\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003Eb.\tRelevant changes in taxation policy in relevant OECD countries;\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003Ec.\tRelevant reports by the OECD on tax base erosion and profit shifting;\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003Ed.\tAny other matter deemed important by the Inland Revenue Department.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e890f9a0f59347868f4ab58ffb02016f\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 55.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 63\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 46; New Zealand First 9; Green Party 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00222fcafcecaa9f4c43bd6868017d225bd0\u0022\u003ESchedule agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e63e1d2bba734e399df75b0eb062a91d\u0022\u003EClauses 1 and 2\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022 data-id=\u002233de4eda8efa4d75bc54158218d40d64\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002233de4eda8efa4d75bc54158218d40d64\u0022\u003EALASTAIR SCOTT (National\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E This gives us an opportunity to talk about the title of the bill and the commencement date of the bill, if I\u2019m not incorrect. I\u2019d like to suggest\u2014and I am a little bit disturbed about the title, actually. I think it\u2019s inappropriately\u2014or it could be better\u2014titled, in my view. Taxation (Neutralising Base Erosion and Profit Sharing) Bill: well, we know that we can\u2019t completely stop people from avoiding or evading tax, so neutralising, I think, is an inappropriate word. I think it should be \u201Cminimising\u201D or, I prefer, \u201Cshrinking\u201D\u2014shrinking base erosion and profit shifting\u2014or, two words, \u201Cmaking smaller\u201D\u2014making smaller base erosion. Then we could even extend it to \u201Cputting cold water on\u201D or even \u201Cneuting\u201D, but even those are a little bit weak. Maybe the goal, if we\u2019re aspirational, should be talking about \u201Celiminating\u201D\u2014eliminating base erosion and profit shifting\u2014\u201Ceradicating\u201D, or even \u201Cwiping out\u201D base erosion and profit shifting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003ENow, the next two words \u201CBase Erosion\u201D, they\u2019re not very clear. It\u2019s not clear to me what that means\u2014or the man on the street certainly would not be clear about what base erosion means. Is it tax minimising, because tax minimising is perfectly legal. Tax avoidance: illegal. Minimising\u2014perfectly within a taxpayer\u2019s right to minimise their tax liability. So base erosion seems\u2014to me, at least\u2014to mean that one should be able to minimise the tax liability that one could be obliged to pay. So base erosion is quite an ambiguous phrase.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EThen, of course, \u201CProfit Shifting\u201D: profit shifting is also ambiguous, because profit shifting could be, on the one hand, avoidance, which is illegal, and then, of course, as I said earlier, minimising or moving your profit from one entity to another\u2014through, obviously, legal means\u2014is a minimising exercise, which is absolutely fine as well. So I\u2019m thinking, instead of profit shifting, it should be tax avoidance or offshore tax avoidance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003ESo we\u2019re getting to a situation where we could say, \u201CTaxation (Putting Cold Water on Tax Minimising and Eliminating Tax Avoidance where it\u2019s to do with Overseas Businesses) Bill\u201D. So that\u2019s my proposed title to the bill. I think it\u2019s a far more eloquent, far more descriptive title than the current bill is named, and I\u2019d be interested to hear what the Minister in the chair, Stuart Nash, says about my very positive and constructive comments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u0022bf1a62fd433b4e9ea352871e9086a468\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bf1a62fd433b4e9ea352871e9086a468\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister of Revenue):\u003C/span\u003E I don\u2019t think in my time in the committee a Minister has stood up and talked to the title and commencement, but, after that, I really can\u2019t help myself. What we\u2019ve got here is a\u2014[Interruption] Ha, ha! In a way, the bill should describe exactly what it is, and the thing that I can see that the member Alastair Scott couldn\u2019t is the former Minister of Revenue and the former supporter of this bill, sitting down here and going, \u201COh, goodness me! It doesn\u2019t get any better than this.\u201D There is a technical term, and it is called base erosion and profit shifting. It\u2019s used throughout the world. It\u2019s used throughout the OECD. It\u2019s shortened to BEPS. There is no other way to describe it, because this is how everyone describes it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EThis bill is about neutralising\u2014we have a lot more aspiration. When the member said it should be \u201Cminimising\u201D\u2014no, we want to get rid of it. We want to ensure that multinational organisations do not rip off our tax base, and we also want to make sure that we maintain and enhance the integrity of our tax system. This is exactly what this bill is about, and I think the title epitomises exactly what the bill does. \u201CTaxation\u201D\u2014it\u2019s about taxation. \u201CBase Erosion and Profit Shifting\u201D\u2014that is the globally accepted term for this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EThis is a complex piece of legislation\u2014I acknowledge this; everyone acknowledges this. If you went down to\u2014quote unquote\u2014\u201Cthe man in the street\u201D and said, \u201CWhat\u2019s base erosion and profit shifting?\u201D, no one knows. But I\u2019ll tell you what, though: if you went down there and said, \u201CDo you think that\u201D\u2014well, not you, Madam Chair; \u201CDo we think that multinationals should pay their fair share?\u201D, everyone gets that. Everyone believes that everyone, whether you\u2019re a large multinational operating in New Zealand or just a stock standard taxpayer\u2014everyone believes we should pay our fair share of tax. What this bill does\u2014it is ensuring that we are neutralising base erosion and profit shifting, i.e., eliminating the ability of multinationals to rip off our tax system. It is hugely important in terms of the integrity of our tax system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EIn terms of the date, it comes into force on 1 July. I mean, I think I\u2019ve spoken two or three times on why that date is important. We all know why it\u2019s important. But there is nothing you can say about this headline that doesn\u2019t describe exactly what the bill does and give it its technical term. I\u2019ve nothing more to say.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022 data-id=\u002243ec52119d304b4fb8bc0471d36ec3e6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002243ec52119d304b4fb8bc0471d36ec3e6\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK (National\u2014Helensville):\u003C/span\u003E It\u2019s with some trepidation that I offer some comments further to the Minister\u2019s response to Alastair Scott\u2019s comments on the title of the bill. Mostly by way of acknowledgment, there is a certain rationale. I think, however, it\u2019s somewhat idealistic to think that we can completely eliminate all aspects and attempts to engage in such activities, so perhaps reduction or mitigation might be more realistic and less idealistic, but, none the less, congratulations to all those who have been involved in producing this bill, from the previous Minister, the Hon Judith Collins, to the current Minister\u2014now in the chair, of course\u2014the Hon Stuart Nash, for having such lofty ideals. I wish them and all those involved in the administration of tax all the very best in meeting those goals.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EOne other aspect of the title I thought might be worth mentioning, quite briefly, was the phrase \u201CBase Erosion\u201D, because I wonder if there might be some confusion because it sounds either a bit electoral or environmental. Base erosion might refer to the normal reaction of traditional Labour Party supporters in relation to legislation, whereby their base might be eroded. In this case, however, because we have a sensible piece of legislation, as originally proposed by the previous Government, I suspect that won\u2019t necessarily be the case. Or it might be a bit environmental, being base erosion and perhaps invoking shorelines and shifting sands, other than in the metaphorical sense, as it applies to tax. But I think, perhaps, those are not particularly worthwhile dwelling on any further.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESo, finally, in relation to the commencement date, I would comment that it\u2019s slightly unusual for sections to come into force prior to the date on which the bill receives Royal assent. I refer specifically to clauses 4, subclauses (1) and (3), and clause 42, which we learn come into force on 1 April 2008\u2014not an April Fools\u2019 gag, I am sure, but the Minister might have some comment there. The retrospectivity is justified somewhat by reference to the meaning and effect of those provisions, such that \u201CInterest paid by non-resident companies to non-residents\u201D and also the application by a person for the 2008 and subsequent years does indeed need to be contemplated by this. So it\u2019s somewhat backward-looking in that regard. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESo that was the comment that I wanted to make, just to place on record that it\u2019s somewhat unusual in our constitutional framework to have legislation that, in effect, has some manner of application prior to it having been passed by the House. Thank you, Madam Chair. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u0022471cd2c38dfd4262a9cd5cbfe58ab9dc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022471cd2c38dfd4262a9cd5cbfe58ab9dc\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Look, I just wanted to say a few parting thoughts on this legislation as it works its way through. I think you could potentially use the words \u201CCounteracting Base Erosion and Profit Shifting\u201D. It might be more, I think, accurate than \u201CNeutralising\u201D, but we could reflect on that over time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI was thinking, particularly, in terms of the commencement date being 1 July, and I\u2019m sure all members of the House will be aware that today is actually 21 June, which is not far away from 1 July. We\u2019re on the committee stage of the bill. We have the third reading still to go, and then the Royal assent, so the only conclusion one can draw is that this Government is cutting it a bit fine. It points to a certain lack of skill in managing the work of the House that they\u2019ve got themselves into this state, which was indeed the point of the discussion in the debates that we had last night around the road taxing bill, as well, because it\u2019s all being done at a mad rush.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ESo there is a theme emerging, I think, that we see reflected in the title and the commencement date of this bill that it\u2019s a Government that is a bit shambolic and just scrambling to get things done in the nick of time, just before the legislation is meant to take effect. So we\u2019re seeing all of the other manifestations of that shambolicness this week. We\u2019ve got Ministers not sure whether they\u2019re talking in private capacities or as Ministers, we\u2019ve got the Government making big decisions such as on oil and gas with no Cabinet process, and\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9daebdd3acd497991a0aa417bb8b4dc\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! Just a matter of relevance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022060113fa7c31471981ab375b951e3550\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the relevance is that it\u2019s a reflection on a Government that has been very ill-disciplined and shambolic in its nature. That is reflected in the fact that this bill is coming into the House and it is to take effect on 1 July, as we see, and we are here debating it on, indeed, 21 June. There\u2019s very little time, and it just reflects on the fact that there\u2019s a lot of work to be done in terms of establishing good quality systems of Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ENow, when you look at this bill, this is a bill that is part of one of the most effective mechanisms of Government policy in this country in terms of the development of tax policy. It goes through a whole lot of hoops, and this started a long time ago in the previous Government. It has been shepherded through by this current Minister of Revenue, Stuart Nash, who\u2019s done a good job, and that is the way that policy should be developed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ESo the only point I would make is that it is a complex bill. It is going to be taking effect on 1 July. In every aspect of tax legislation, it is complex, and I\u2019ve no doubt we will be revisiting aspects of this in time to come because we won\u2019t get it all perfectly right. I just hope, as a parting thought, that the Minister will, after 1 July, maintain his eagle eye on this area and be open to respond and adapt as the time comes. On that basis, I just want to commend this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EClause 1 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EClause 2 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EBill reported with amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022cb038a48fa0144889e151a97547a8e3b\u0022\u003ESittings of the House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022455da0fe0d9c48f8a475932b1d4aac91\u0022\u003ESittings of the House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u002287b2a08301bd42d1a65feeabddb23e89\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002287b2a08301bd42d1a65feeabddb23e89\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E In the last three or four hours good will seems to have broken out in the House and the House has made excellent progress on the business before it. I therefore seek leave for the House to rise early for the evening.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022d0e62dfb56ef44e2976e6013097b89e3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d0e62dfb56ef44e2976e6013097b89e3\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There appears to be none. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201806211682e26362e4451e93860458b4e38311000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 5.46 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"