"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a7b0ab38d7e9442fb47d346ee5eec052\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 9 AUGUST 2018\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022afb3b1ec9ae44ef5ae4372163f06ab0c\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 9 AUGUST 2018\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022dae49c48f87e4c2cb0f684fe56de1524\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223ac8a296588b40488b53ce1fcb09f4f3\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u00220256ac87b8334c56b8758bddbf2f1fc8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220256ac87b8334c56b8758bddbf2f1fc8\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Next week, the House will give a third reading to the Appropriation (2018/19 Estimates) Bill. An imprest supply bill will be taken at the same time. The Overseas Investment Amendment Bill, the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill, the Statutes Amendment Bill (No 2), and the Tariff (PACER Plus) Amendment Bill will complete their remaining stages. As notified to the Business Committee, the National Animal Identification and Tracing Amendment Bill will pass through all stages under urgency.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022af1beea11f854ab182bdfa7babf174ce\u0022\u003EPoints of Order\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bb8ee6664ec9456eaf5a50513b50fe34\u0022\u003EAudrey Young\u201430 Years with New Zealand Herald\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022bcd97bedef5f4472aaa872ef471dd9a3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bcd97bedef5f4472aaa872ef471dd9a3\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I apologise, but I hope the House will indulge me. I\u2019d hoped to do this yesterday, but I wonder if, on behalf of the House, I can congratulate Audrey Young on her 30 years with the New Zealand Herald, which was marked yesterday. She started on 8/8/88. I can remember that day well from sixth form. I know that she has been here in the precinct for 24 of those 30 years. And I\u2019d like to say, on behalf of all members of the House, that we\u2019ve always appreciated, Audrey, your focus on getting to the heart and the truth of the matter, and being a true representative of the fourth estate. So thank you for what you\u2019ve done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E[Applause]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022ec6f9191dd884fd6bbcf3376ecf0101e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ec6f9191dd884fd6bbcf3376ecf0101e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And, for once, I\u2019ll say, \u201CNo comment.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e12acfdc491045b7909ac309090ba851\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022df95969960d2495cba51a1ef352a33a2\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fb917448e12242d88367369e258ab31d\u0022\u003EDefence Force\u2014NH90 Flight Simulator\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022 data-id=\u0022b15a795c368a4e4d9f60eb5547d9b50a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b15a795c368a4e4d9f60eb5547d9b50a\u0022\u003EDARROCH BALL (NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Defence: What progress, if any, has been made regarding the procurement of a flight simulator for the NH90 helicopter fleet?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u00223da12e5e8232411fa298db2932527833\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223da12e5e8232411fa298db2932527833\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK (Minister of Defence):\u003C/span\u003E Yesterday, I announced the purchase of a $42.73 million flight simulator for the New Zealand Air Force\u2019s fleet of eight NH90 helicopters. This purchase is funded from within the New Zealand Defence Force baseline\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d07d4d941fa4ef0b81a895f9ac9ff61\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Have you flown in it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228af38c4bc7c84aa9a464cbdfb18fb76c\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha! It will boost the availability rate for the NH90 fleet and free up more operational tasking hours that would have been used for training. The simulator facility will be ready for training activities at Oh\u0101kea in July 2020.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c075600ac9f496f95dc30c556018426\u0022\u003EDarroch Ball\u003C/span\u003E: What will this purchase mean for the air force pilot training pipeline?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022287aae6d711046719665c51f3736e13d\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: Having a New Zealand - based simulator is the most efficient way to train and sustain the number of pilots in the fleet. It is projected to increase the number of trained NH90 pilots by over 30 percent by 2028 and will place less strain on the air force resources than the current system does. This will mean more pilots for supporting military operations in New Zealand and abroad, and undertaking other tasks for Government agencies and maintaining their search and rescue coverage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221def45da485649099c1429079c50db44\u0022\u003EDarroch Ball\u003C/span\u003E: What are the benefits of having a simulator based in New Zealand rather than overseas?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ce81360c4be48a79964d91b08b5b54a\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: Training for NH90 pilots currently includes simulator-based training in Germany and Australia, which involves pilots being away from New Zealand for several weeks at a time. Having a simulator in New Zealand will make more pilots and flight instructors available for deployment at short notice. The maintenance of the device will be provided by a contractor under an initial 13-year contract, which will provide three long-term jobs in the Manawat\u016B region. The purchase follows the announcement earlier in the year of the lease of four new King Air aircraft as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225665674ae4dc40e1bcbc9627676be00b\u0022\u003EPolice\u2014Deputy Commissioner of Police, Accusations Against Wally Haumaha and Inquiry into the Appointment Process\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u0022fb8ac5bf232249b39d1d3221018b2163\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fb8ac5bf232249b39d1d3221018b2163\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Deputy Leader\u2014National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does her Government expect high standards from all Government departments and Ministers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u002256709469bda649cfb457a4cd300b68ce\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002256709469bda649cfb457a4cd300b68ce\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Prime Minister: On behalf of the Prime Minister, yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237ff17d1f2fb435e921767871a481a10\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does she believe that high standards have been met by police leadership in appointing Wally Haumaha as Deputy Police Commissioner?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286572a416687429bb9a47e84a7c3a566\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Matters around the process for the appointment of Mr Haumaha are the subject of an inquiry, and I won\u2019t comment further on those matters at this time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0af9a0c3cf449ed9f1829238ef3abfb\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Will she ask the police commissioner if he heard reports either formally or informally of intimidation towards women by Wally Haumaha, in light of a story that\u2019s just come out today?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f89f95987f14032b02863ddf8f7d43f\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I repeat my earlier answer\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267b1590a8c04401ca12ce34947794f2b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8892f75f9da4429bd0801e12dc8a733\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sorry. On behalf of the Prime Minister, I repeat my earlier answer that matters around the appointment of Mr Haumaha are the subject of the inquiry. What I would add is, any suggestion of bullying or intimidation in Government departments is unacceptable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f3882c6d6064b4c941123b9bdf292ad\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I was very careful with that question, sir, that I didn\u2019t mention the inquiry or this being about it. It was about a particular new report that\u2019s come out today and wasn\u2019t about his appointment, as such.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ae565bc94d4c487b9a87dfffcd2d4069\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And in my view, the inquiry goes round the processes for establishing the suitability of a particular candidate, and therefore the question was not only addressed but answered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022939b3e869443455eb55091118670aa78\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Will the inquiry cover new allegations that have been put today of intimidation by Wally Haumaha to other public servants who were working with him?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222335dde35c584d4bb31306150bbe7aa2\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sorry, Mr Speaker. Can you just repeat the question? Sorry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6b480ec026145518c135a74b12a87ce\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Will the inquiry cover allegations that have been put today about intimidation of Wally Haumaha towards public servants?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226ea32a05fb0d4612aa54bb3b6bdfed17\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, the inquiry has been set up to look into whether or not all relevant information was available in the appointment of Mr Haumaha. On the face of it, it would appear to me that those allegations fit within that category of the terms of reference.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226bde6c21c0bc4f5c8b713bf4ea9a388e\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Will she be asking the chief executives of corrections and justice if they had reports from senior female employees that they wished not to be in the same room as Wally Haumaha?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022204b6462b54e4e2db92693241e5bf4ae\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, I can assure the member that we will be following up with the chief executives of those agencies on the allegations that have been made in the article.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022495ba850826249e6903998be49bb61d2\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: If those chief executives heard that female employees had felt uncomfortable in the company of Wally Haumaha, would she expect them to have taken action?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224fafecc1fc594918ab63f08ea59a6e11\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, I repeat that those are allegations, but, as I said in an earlier answer, we take very seriously any allegations of bullying or intimidation, and they are not acceptable and, of course, they should be followed up in circumstances where they are drawn to the attention of chief executives.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022804e88482e874483885d74395ba880fe\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does she believe the public can have faith in police leadership, when they either didn\u2019t know or didn\u2019t act on issues around Wally Haumaha working with other public servants?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b0391d43941a44ceb3edf403f1c76cda\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I can\u2019t comment on the detail of that matter, except to note that these matters arose during 2016, and I\u2019m not aware of all the information that would have been transferred at that time either to chief executives or, indeed, to members of the executive.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244f0c4824b7b46d9808dfecc3afa0e17\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Is she concerned that after 11 years of police working hard to change their culture towards victims of sexual assault and intimidation, her Government\u2019s handling of the appointment of Wally Haumaha may now have victims feeling that they can\u2019t go forward to the police?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f59a892c98d44146bd8b9faff100f018\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: We would always want victims in any circumstances to feel comfortable that they can come forward. I reject parts of the question the member asked in the earlier part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6da02590871449a849498ff2ef4798e\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Was there any involvement of New Zealand First Ministers or parliamentary under-secretaries either formally or informally in the promotion of Wally Haumaha?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca44a63620cb49f1be82f5f4ab39e9f6\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, the promotion of Mr Haumaha to Deputy Police Commissioner was dealt with through the normal processes. I\u2019m not aware of any of the allegations that the member has made in her question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228e403f5b7bde475783f4a79fe9499265\u0022\u003EEconomy\u2014Economic Growth\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022 data-id=\u00222caf0166f8424b82a721fe1d44dcbbd6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222caf0166f8424b82a721fe1d44dcbbd6\u0022\u003EHon AMY ADAMS (National\u2014Selwyn)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Has he received the Reserve Bank\u2019s Monetary Policy Statement released today that shows GDP growth forecasts in the coming year have fallen by 0.5 percent; if so, what effect would lower GDP have on Government revenue?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u002236b7a0982f8f4654a9dc631243717df2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002236b7a0982f8f4654a9dc631243717df2\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E I have received the Reserve Bank\u2019s August Monetary Policy Statement (MPS). It does not show what the member\u2019s question suggests, as it appears that she has included figures from the June 2018 quarter\u2014which is in the past, not the coming, year\u2014and added quarterly forecasts in a linear manner, rather than taking into the account the need to be cumulative.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022588ef8c6314b461f8f82350e7aa4625e\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Has he seen yesterday\u2019s Reserve Bank survey of expectations, which shows that GDP expectations for the next two years have also fallen by 0.5 percent; and, if so, is he concerned that the only time in the history of the survey that GDP expectations have fallen so fast were during the Asian financial crisis in 1997 and the global financial crisis in 2008/9?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a8de252aa9014a38989067cedac031c4\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: There are a number of different forecasts and commentary to make. For example, I have received advice today from the Treasury that the growth forecast in the August MPS for the coming year\u2014that being the current third quarter of 2018 to the same quarter next year\u2014shows expected GDP growth of 3.3 percent. There will always be a range of forecasts and expectations. Can I say, in answer to the second part of the member\u2019s question, that if she is seriously suggesting that a New Zealand economy growing at an average of 3 percent over the next few years is in any way akin to the global financial crisis, she really needs to do more homework.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022505bb79fb68749d1afcf1ab806346f07\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware that the Reserve Bank today have noted that Government spending is underpinning our growth; and, if so, does he consider that economic growth based on Government spending is the sign of an economy that is either productive or sustainable?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb41ade56f654532b4ed4778b910215e\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Government spending in the form of the KiwiBuild investment and the Families Package is a very important and necessary part of managing the transition away from the previous Government\u2019s reliance on housing speculation and population growth to improve productivity. As we see the effect of research and development spending, the provincial growth roll-out, more skills in our workforce\u2014as announced in part today by the Prime Minister\u2014we will see that transition, but it is going to take some time to make up for nine years of neglect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223fc8fbcbdea144ebba98f1d51d3a7251\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Has he seen comments today by former ANZ Chief Economist Cameron Bagrie that \u201CThe economy is not tracking as expected. The Treasury is projecting 3 percent-plus growth. Something closer to half of that is on offer. We won\u2019t get that growth back. Each 1 percent change in growth is worth around $800m in revenue.\u201D; and, if so, is he still going to stand here and pretend that the economy is humming along nicely?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222222a2b4ce6b4e6c9b3b6592e0be1578\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: There are a range of different forecasts about where growth will reach. Today, Westpac believe that they think the Reserve Bank wasn\u2019t ambitious enough in terms of the forecasts; similarly, ASB thought the same thing. Mr Bagrie\u2019s entitled to his opinion on this, but we on this side of the House continue to believe\u2014as, indeed, the Reserve Bank does\u2014that we will average around 3 percent growth over the forecast period.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ee6759de716429f907c04bd130b303e\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: So what does he say to former ANZ chief economist Cameron Bagrie, who has also said today that \u201Cthe Labour-led Government\u2019s fiscal hole is looking deeper by the day\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022235bfdb2ae604b31aedf4ddc242f0c42\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: What I would say to Mr Bagrie\u2014and, indeed, to the member asking the question, is, when her predecessor started digging the fiscal hole it didn\u2019t work out very well for him, and she shouldn\u2019t follow suit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ae15a15bb024056ac4ac6e698514a96\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: So, in light of every bank and economic agency in the country revising down New Zealand\u2019s growth prospects since the Labour-led Government has taken office, with that list now including the Treasury and the Reserve Bank, why is he still in denial that the Government\u2019s economic policies are hurting the economy and reducing the living standards and future well-being of New Zealanders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207c7f6738c264127a2c02055aed10002\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I reject the premise of that question. If the member reads today\u2019s Monetary Policy Statement, she will see that, over the forecast period, the Reserve Bank is projecting 3 percent growth or thereabouts over the next few years. It is going to take some time to transition away from the economy that we were left by the National Party, that was based on housing speculation and population growth, but we are committed to building a modern economy for New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227bf6bd40ead644d69b4b585ba811f36d\u0022\u003EEconomy\u2014Monetary Policy Statement, August 2018\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022 data-id=\u0022f6868399d1dc4943bfacf55cec939646\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f6868399d1dc4943bfacf55cec939646\u0022\u003ETAMATI COFFEY (Labour\u2014Waiariki)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What reports has he seen on the economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022511b2a48d8ca4ee8b027d583b7bed6d2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022511b2a48d8ca4ee8b027d583b7bed6d2\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Today, the Reserve Bank released its August Monetary Policy Statement (MPS) and its official cash rate (OCR) decision. This will be beneficial for members, with the OCR left on hold at 1.75 percent. The MPS forecast that the slowdown in GDP growth, which began at the start of 2016, should turn around from the June quarter this year, with GDP growth of 3.2 percent forecast in the year to June 2019. The Reserve Bank notes that over the medium term, growth is expected to be supported by fiscal policy, export growth, and supportive monetary policy settings, and that GDP growth should average a little above 3 percent over the next 3 years. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022875db4e0ed7240cbbb84ef111d96615c\u0022\u003ETamati Coffey\u003C/span\u003E: What did the Reserve Bank say in the Monetary Policy Statement about recent and future growth trends?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205f89db54830417cba48687632c99dcf\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: The Reserve Bank said that growth in the March quarter had been soft in services, construction, and primary production\u2014the latter being due to weather-related events and the effects of Mycoplasma bovis. It noted recent weakness in business confidence surveys and weaker than expected house price inflation. However, the MPS shows that the Reserve Bank expects growth to pick up over the rest of 2018 and for medium-term growth of about 3 percent a year, to be supported by monetary policy, fiscal policy, business investment, and net exports.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229aabb68639314998addcc9a74dba7432\u0022\u003ETamati Coffey\u003C/span\u003E: What risks did the Reserve Bank highlight in the Monetary Policy Statement?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c037d5852234b479cb65c6533e29ee0\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it always pays to keep an eye on these risks. The Reserve Bank said that, while there is still a positive global economic environment, downside risks to the global outlook had increased since May, in particular due to trade tensions overseas. The Reserve Bank also noted that there is a potential for low business confidence to feed through into firms, delaying investment. However, they said the outlook for business investment is positive, in part due to low interest rates continuing to support greater investment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002269aa166600094d93b2a3893e3d8d790c\u0022\u003EPolice\u2014Deputy Commissioner of Police, Appointment of Wally Haumaha and Inquiry into the Appointment Process\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u002295c36fbde76148adaabdae2da1f9ecf6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002295c36fbde76148adaabdae2da1f9ecf6\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E To the Minister of Police, does he stand by all his statements in regard to the Government inquiry into the appointment of the Deputy Police Commissioner?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220120c3fb78304996af2dd739513c02d3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will read the question as it\u2019s printed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022bc72e22a512d48cc83f4f3cc3210a3bd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bc72e22a512d48cc83f4f3cc3210a3bd\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National\u2014Hutt South)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Police: Does he stand by all his statements with regard to the appointment of Wally Haumaha as Deputy Commissioner of Police?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u0022d776b50dfc92481f9c8094501986045f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d776b50dfc92481f9c8094501986045f\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister of Police):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, in the context within which they were given and knowledge at the time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b227ac35385246748239a089a4190287\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Does Mr Haumaha enjoy his confidence as Deputy Commissioner of Police?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4dd0b056c2042eab0d1a0507ea02772\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: There is an inquiry under way which will determine the process under which the senior State servant was appointed, and I think we need to let that play out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e256df8f198b4bc893a1a46d31aeb6e7\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware that Mr Haumaha was asked in his interview for the Deputy Commissioner of Police job, \u201CIs there anything you need to disclose that we should know before we make our decision on this appointment that might cause damage to the police or the Government?\u201D and that he answered no; and does he think that statement is correct?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002232b154bbf5574d2197ef39d0f976d4a2\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: I wasn\u2019t sitting on the panel.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7158bba4be84b2a900746e081620618\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by his statement that he would have \u201Cdone things slightly differently\u201D if he was aware of Mr Haumaha\u2019s statements to the Operation Austin inquiry before he was promoted; and in light of today\u2019s new allegations, what would he have done differently?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f05e4cb01bd54391bd4b11adbe2fa30c\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205617d2ab420417c85a7cacc89db22cf\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Is it correct that Mike Clement, who graduated from the Police College with Police Commissioner Mike Bush, warned Mr Bush about Wally Haumaha and the potential risk to the reputation of police if he was promoted to assistant commissioner, which occurred just 12 months before he was appointed to the deputy commissioner role?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f913a08ac275463498aeabb359b2234f\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: I suggest that member ask deputy commissioner Mike Clement those questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225d2265dc363943909a088648bdf97d07\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Was Mr Haumaha invited to apply for the role of Deputy Commissioner of Police, which the publicly available State Services paper says some people were invited to do; if so, who invited him to apply?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217069122c70b4ece90b0e5373173ed31\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: My understanding is the State Services Commission invited a number of people to apply for the role. They sent out a letter to all people who they thought may well have been appropriate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9dd37da52644ee1b6ed5379fd2ae9c0\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Can he confirm that when he captioned his now infamous weightlifting video in the parliamentary gym\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab738919a37849ad95bdf54fceefe5ec\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! The member will ask the question conforming to the Standing Orders and Speakers\u2019 rulings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fab68d90152b41d7a812d633ccce2e18\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Can he confirm that when he captioned his weightlifting video in the parliamentary gym, \u201CPeeni Henare, Wally and Alf - just calling those out who doubted \u2026\u201D, the \u201CWally\u201D in the caption was a reference to Wally Haumaha?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0fa410406314928881f265df164b7fd\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224fa14b72fc2e46c28881b3125cb5ac68\u0022\u003ETax System\u2014Multinational Enterprises\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022 data-id=\u00222d4985d171b7469599ff0ab5d9919599\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222d4985d171b7469599ff0ab5d9919599\u0022\u003EDr DEBORAH RUSSELL (Labour\u2014New Lynn)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Revenue: What recent steps has he taken to prevent the misuse of tax treaties by multinationals to avoid or minimise tax?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238760e3d37254f919d1d2174ba62124f\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: This is a very important member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002232658c29782242bdbce39cc6b7a90c44\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Before the member answers, who made that interjection?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3ccc630a82c4fc8b5d5f5597caa280d\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: It was me. I was speaking to my colleague.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222bf26ed246294614999437be83c67bb8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, the member wasn\u2019t. The member boomed across the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239fcea8a3fa84d76810b921483334fdc\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I have a naturally large voice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e88479117b1f4065ac0e82dc0b161d82\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right; well, we\u2019ll deal with it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u0022747a109b25f944c395492e76240ea451\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022747a109b25f944c395492e76240ea451\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister of Revenue)\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m happy to inform the House that the OECD\u2019s multilateral instrument, or MLI, has now been ratified and will enter into force for New Zealand on 1 October 2018. The misuse of tax treaties by multinationals to avoid or minimise tax was one of the key concerns the OECD/G20 Base Erosion and Profit Shifting (BEPS) Action Plan sought to address. The MLI is a key component of the BEPS response, as it will quickly and efficiently modify thousands of existing international tax treaties to incorporate the OECD treaty recommendations on anti-abuse, transfer pricing, and dispute resolution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ab495fcec7e4b508b079b0c838f3e43\u0022\u003EDr Deborah Russell\u003C/span\u003E: How does the Multilateral Instrument ensure that multinational companies pay their fair share of tax in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224dc42f4283184605963480fdf86c8d42\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Double tax agreements are tax treaties that aim to mitigate double taxation across borders and border transactions between countries. However, there was evidence that there was wide misuse of these treaties by multinational companies to reduce or eliminate their worldwide tax. The MLI provides New Zealand and other jurisdictions with the ability to swiftly close the identified loopholes by adjusting most existing international treaty clauses automatically rather than renegotiating each treaty individually.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7febdcbd1324d4a8827f62c318264a6\u0022\u003EDr Deborah Russell\u003C/span\u003E: What other measures is the Minister taking to ensure multinational companies pay their fair share of tax?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d24c006c08634ba182910d379fd464e1\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: In addition to the MLI, the BEPS Act, and the up and coming first exchange of information under the automatic exchange of financial account information initiative, this Government has also not fully ruled out a diverted profits tax or equalisation tax to further address tax avoidance by multinationals. I expect further discussions with officials once the BEPS measures are bedded down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022904ab1b0d91f4b9b81f6380eae9afeb4\u0022\u003EPolice\u2014Deputy Commissioner of Police, Inquiry into the Appointment Process\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022bc7e6e2a60694b248a05ffc94053c0c7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bc7e6e2a60694b248a05ffc94053c0c7\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National\u2014Hutt South)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Internal Affairs: Does she stand by all her statements around the Government inquiry into the appointment of the Deputy Commissioner of Police?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022b6508d1d85734bd0a723e04d310957f5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b6508d1d85734bd0a723e04d310957f5\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education) \u003C/span\u003Eon behalf of the Minister of Internal Affairs: Yes, in the context they were given, except for one of my supplementary question answers yesterday, which I corrected later in the day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022924438f5907b4bb7bb438bf5ac15c7b9\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Will she make amendments to the terms of reference of the Government inquiry into the appointment of the Deputy Commissioner of Police to incorporate the issue of whether Police Commissioner Mike Bush was told about the allegations revealed in the New Zealand Herald this afternoon; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002225059fda03674fa0b3404e70ea3a4817\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: As has already been answered in the House today, the terms of reference don\u2019t need to be adjusted for that matter to be investigated as part of the inquiry. It is certainly within the scope of the existing inquiry, as the terms of reference make very clear.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226494eeb292fb4c058f028eee53e0788b\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Why did she say yesterday, in relation to the Government inquiry into the appointment of the Deputy Commissioner of Police, \u201CI will not be overseeing the inquiry; I\u2019m just the Minister of Internal Affairs.\u201D, when, as that Minister, she is the appointing Minister for the inquiry, and the inquiry reports to her?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277591cac15f44d3ead41569db5d59e3f\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: In that regard, the Minister is acting on behalf of the whole executive\u2014Cabinet. The appointment of the person to conduct the inquiry is a matter that the Minister takes to Cabinet, and the ultimate report of the inquiry will also go to the whole Cabinet. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f93c0801c2ca44bf9a9b4990f03622ef\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Why did Cabinet make her the appointing Minister for the Government inquiry, when the Minister of Internal Affairs has never been an appointing Minister for any Government inquiry under the Inquiries Act 2013?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220482391c59f34402a06a192fa41939fb\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: Because Cabinet felt that I was the most appropriate Minister to undertake that role. I\u2019d note that there are many Ministers in Government who have not, or whose portfolios have not, overseen an inquiry; that doesn\u2019t mean that they can\u2019t do so in the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002249828297ce67477a93fddee323e79364\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: What is the reason she considered candidates to be the member of the Government inquiry into the appointment of the Deputy Commissioner of Police in two tranches, with\u2014quoting her\u2014\u201Cat least five in the first tranche, and then another five in the second tranche\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225aec6e2a762e4e2fa26c78b07f86aaf6\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: To get the right person.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3b7e084a4854646bf1d8bfa61ea539f\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Can she confirm the Cabinet paper proposing the establishment of the Government inquiry is in her name, the terms of reference for the inquiry were proposed by her to Cabinet, she is the appointing Minister and formally appointed the inquiry member, and the inquiry reports back to her as Minister of Internal Affairs?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220dae3b2eac914511961d34abfb865a7a\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, yes, yes, and yes, and the Minister does so, basically, on behalf of the Cabinet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ed1a9932db244d52964ac23f698ba11b\u0022\u003EElectoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill\u2014Commentary\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u0022d73a1f08af934560a690f387ba203ad3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d73a1f08af934560a690f387ba203ad3\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Justice: Does he agree, in respect of the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill, with the description by his ministerial colleague Eugenie Sage that it is a \u201Cdead rat that we have to swallow\u201D, and by Greens at Vic that \u201CThe bill is a threat to democracy and terrible legislation\u201D; if so, why is he continuing to argue for its passage?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u0022c52d5160d3954989bcf29f97c92193ce\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c52d5160d3954989bcf29f97c92193ce\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E In answer to the first part of the question, the Hon Eugenie Sage is entitled to her view; in answer to the second part of the question, no; and in answer to the third part of the question, because this Government is committed to ensuring the maintenance of the fundamental principle of MMP, that party-proportional representation in Parliament has to be protected.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce46cd676a734dab919fe74e8a52df1e\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he accept the view of the Victoria University (Vic) Greens in describing the legislation as terrible and that it would breach the constitution of MMP in Germany, which states that MPs must be \u201Crepresentatives of the whole people, not bound by orders and instructions, and subject only to their conscience.\u201D, and why should MPs in New Zealand not also be only subject to their conscience and the public good?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e3ca0c340e94c6890f970ac78c7fcba\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: In response to the first part of the question, no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c2dd6cbbe08843caab598fcae86634d3\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with the statement on his bill by Newsroom, titled \u201CPower corrupts\u201D, that quotes former Green MPs Sue Bradford, Jeanette Fitzsimons, and Keith Locke, stating that this Government was founded on the dishonourable foundation of these terrible electoral law changes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002233b29945afdd4401a7d031b81409b34f\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: If I understand the question correctly, the answer is no, I don\u2019t agree with those propositions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022df8c68fffe4f41abbf03f7aef0b87ecc\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with the further statement by the Greens at Vic, \u201CThere is no justification for this legislation. There has just been three defectors in the past 18 years. The Government should just be honest and state the only reason they are passing this bill is to grab power.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225495dc0ae77e42bf89ffecaae46f3138\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223990656f0de24c40891ededee8589244\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary, Mr Speaker\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281ecd21656aa4f998ed3d3d56b7aa722\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Question No. 9\u2014Jan Tinetti\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f3236d2eaba4089b3dbbb50293719de\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary\u2014he answered a little quicker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022933318343f03487b9b4ccc772d70f1f1\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, sorry\u2014supplementary question, the Hon Dr Nick Smith.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226263dc2d59814b5395db3fe59eb6b444\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: When he stated, \u201CThere has been a lot of scaremongering on this bill. They are all wrong.\u201D, was he referring to the Greens at Vic, his ministerial colleague Eugenie Sage, the 23 constitutional academics, the Legislation Advisory Committee, the Human Rights Commission, the Clerk\u2019s Office, former Speakers, or past Green MPs, all of whom have been highly critical of his bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa671063c9ad430e8fbe9e4d4371e652\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: No\u2014just that member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221f21a44b6c184d67ab8dfafe51a36428\u0022\u003EInternational Education\u2014Post-study Work Rights\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022 data-id=\u0022d65f33f9beb14aa4905649bf8d56ef97\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d65f33f9beb14aa4905649bf8d56ef97\u0022\u003EJAN TINETTI (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Immigration: What announcements has he made on post-study work rights for international students?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022 data-id=\u0022e0ed6d58f6004aa2858253bbb12b9f4d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e0ed6d58f6004aa2858253bbb12b9f4d\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Minister of Immigration):\u003C/span\u003E Yesterday, I announced a package of changes to post-study work rights for international students. The changes remove a channel of exploitation through the removal of employer-assisted visas, and provide open work visas of varying lengths depending on course and location of study.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c111c90717374a5080672ec6c75cf2fd\u0022\u003EJan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: Why has he made these changes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba38feeb563049eb835830121b887096\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: The changes are designed to achieve four things: one, to improve student experience, including by reducing avenues for exploitation; two, by lifting the value proposition of our international education offering; three, to better match the courses of studies undertaken by international students with the skills needed in New Zealand, if those students wish to settle in New Zealand; and, fourthly, to support regional development and skills training.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222863f4f9579248ce893cf7c68111fcc5\u0022\u003EJan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: How does New Zealand compare with other nations in relation to post-study work rights?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229aa75803937140149716c8595c2d1932\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: Of our comparator countries, only Canada has more generous work rights. New Zealand now compares favourably to Australia, the US, the UK, and Ireland across all levels of study.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002252a21da9f3c049aabfd54c0a3c6ddd3d\u0022\u003EJan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: What has the reaction of the sector been to his announcement?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f528aa5fb2742089f01ecc6dd37a235\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: Overwhelmingly positive. I will choose just two quotes. Auckland University\u2019s Deputy Vice-Chancellor Jenny Dixon says, \u201CThis modernisation of work rights supports our efforts to recruit high quality, high achieving students who enhance our learning community at the University of Auckland.\u201D John Diggins, head deputy chief executive of the private training establishment Te Rito Maioha, said, \u201CWe very much support what the Minister has said today.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002262ee3ddaf1194acc9e25534e986b459a\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Is it still the Government\u2019s intention to make further changes to post-study work rights to meet their stated objective of a 12 to 20 percent reduction in those student visas, or is this it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3df3f0da848492db41d67167d069d62\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: That is not a stated objective of the Government. We took some policy proposals out to the sector. We listened to them. We are a Government that works with the sectors that we regulate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b43134b6649c430fa17a3ebd13c7cfc6\u0022\u003EBuilding and Construction Industry\u2014Liability and Risk\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022 data-id=\u002233f610a14f604c988f2f1809123f442a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002233f610a14f604c988f2f1809123f442a\u0022\u003EANDREW BAYLY (National\u2014Hunua)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Building and Construction: What are the key elements to be addressed in the \u201Crisk and liability reallocation\u201D work in relation to the construction industry she announced yesterday during question time?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022ae9c10d9053b4be48b887cf6afe8c253\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ae9c10d9053b4be48b887cf6afe8c253\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Housing and Urban Development)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for Building and Construction: Two key elements are investigating how we can ensure that consumers are protected through mechanisms such as insurance-backed warranties, and whether we should limit or alter the liability of certain parties under the Building Act. We know that unbalanced risk affects how people procure, design, and construct buildings, and it makes building consent authorities risk-averse and slow to authorise innovative and more efficient construction techniques and products.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002263f613f2dc3a45758ef9d427d1be5d02\u0022\u003EAndrew Bayly\u003C/span\u003E: When is it appropriate for design risks to be novated from Government agencies to their contracting counterparties?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221210e3f54e534328a81c03de6d085606\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s a question that I think is best dealt with in the detail, and I\u2019m not going to express a view about that here and now. We\u2019re committed as a Government to reviewing risk and liability, not only in the residential sector but across the broader industry. There\u2019s work under way by the ministry on that now, and the Minister expects to be able to take proposals to Cabinet on this towards the end of the year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e36265537cd74472a29e0b2b3429f807\u0022\u003EAndrew Bayly\u003C/span\u003E: How should civil construction risks be apportioned between the Government agencies and their contracting counterparties?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002225c3b059a9ab44bcaf0d57a1a073b3d8\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the question of civil construction risk is not contained in the primary question, which was about risk and liability reallocation work that the Minister announced in yesterday\u2019s question time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abebc677ab67411daaa980ff2c5d73f8\u0022\u003EAndrew Bayly\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The question relates to construction and relates to risks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223dfd544cb8df4e8799d92449a27c3449\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, but the specific primary question relates to an announcement yesterday during question time. I think the Minister acting for the Minister who made the announcement has made that reference, and, therefore, while the member might not be satisfied with the answer, it\u2019s certainly been addressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7853910fa7a4ae6b8789ac760cdb9e8\u0022\u003EAndrew Bayly\u003C/span\u003E: What other risks is she proposing to reallocate to Government agencies from contracting counterparties under the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment\u2019s Government procurement guidelines?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225decde27476c419695a0273e48289812\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: So in relation to the matter raised in the primary question, there are no other risks being allocated in the way the member refers within the risk and liability reallocation work that I referred to in yesterday\u2019s question time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b5029d409244eb4b62eb7f8c08c0bc0\u0022\u003EAndrew Bayly\u003C/span\u003E: What new initiatives has she announced to protect subcontractors against the risk when construction companies fail? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220af1af0672434246aad920b0581a4ce6\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: The question of risk allocation between head contractors and subcontractors is not dealt with within the risk and liability reallocation work that I referred to in yesterday\u2019s question time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c945cd5a84044b69985d6fb00bcc5540\u0022\u003EYouth Unemployment\u2014Mana in Mahi\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u0022210e38b6897e4087b9e93da441fef13e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022210e38b6897e4087b9e93da441fef13e\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Employment: What recent announcements has the Government made to support employers and young people?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u0022391ab50339c64ac3ba3aa0423044d2ee\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022391ab50339c64ac3ba3aa0423044d2ee\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Minister of Employment):\u003C/span\u003E Mr Speaker, kia ora. I\u2019m really pleased to inform the House that this morning, the Prime Minister, Minister Sepuloni, and I jointly announced Mana in Mahi - Strength in Work, which is a programme that will support young people to transition from benefit into employment while, at the same time, working towards level 4 or industry-required qualifications, and working with our small to medium sized enterprise partners to address our skills shortage across a range of key industries that are vital to the New Zealand economy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e29829003389438496b5e211dbf36bba\u0022\u003ERino Tirikatene\u003C/span\u003E: What are the key components of Mana in Mahi - Strength in Work? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1a955bfc4134aa5bbf932dcfa852066\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Mana in Mahi is for people who are receiving a benefit, particularly those aged 18 to 24. Young people who take part will be paid, and they\u2019ll work towards recognised training qualifications\u2014real qualifications that employers are looking for. This initiative will also include different industry qualifications, alongside those that can be obtained as New Zealand Apprenticeships. We\u2019re very pleased to support this strategy from our Prime Minister, which has been one of compassion from the start of her tenure here in Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002251d4cd8d78e8466f8c7ca80f56ef84cd\u0022\u003ERino Tirikatene\u003C/span\u003E: How will Mana in Mahi support employers? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022626600f156494f4ea89622a24b81f92b\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Employers will get a wage subsidy to help with the cost of hiring a young person getting a benefit and supporting them to get these qualifications. This will cover the real costs that businesses face in taking on a young person and getting them trained up, and it will encourage employers to give young people on a benefit a chance. At the same time, this is another pathway to addressing the skills shortage that many of our industries are facing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226121e1d940114abea4eba40841731afc\u0022\u003EBroadcasting, Communications and Digital Media\u2014Public Media\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022 data-id=\u0022644a5004706b420c87c95932a8421648\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022644a5004706b420c87c95932a8421648\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media: Does she stand by all her statements and actions in the broadcasting, communications, and digital media portfolio?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022 data-id=\u0022336302c6d33041e980936cab00d9eef2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022336302c6d33041e980936cab00d9eef2\u0022\u003EHon CLARE CURRAN (Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, in the context that they were made and taken. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228f8498a74ed34b77aa55e47044296899\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: How will she allay the fears of independent and commercial media providers that say \u201Cthere is a genuine risk that the Government, through its owned media channels, may become the only broadcaster in New Zealand\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f56208dfbd44bc3a28a1cd26ecea470\u0022\u003EHon CLARE CURRAN\u003C/span\u003E: The Government is clearly focused on investing in funding for public media, which in this country is woefully low and has undergone frozen funding for around a decade. Compared with other comparable countries, our investment in public interest media and in our culture has been woeful in the last decade. We are aware of the pressures, generally, on the media sector. I do not believe there is any direct correlation between investment in public media and the impact on commercial television.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab3d1e5d50bb48059fb7d5f9e1370799\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with statements by Stuff Ltd that an expanded RNZ\u002B service \u201Cwill not achieve the desired end of delivering sustainable, quality, trusted journalism in NZ.\u201D; and, if not, what evidence does she have that the expanded services will deliver sustainable, quality, trusted journalism in New Zealand? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a262ec43735b47319568d96ad35d668c\u0022\u003EHon CLARE CURRAN\u003C/span\u003E: No, and investment in non-commercial public interest media in this country\u2014as I\u2019ve said in my previous answer\u2014and having a strong commercial media sector are two things that can coexist at the same time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002210493a3251a64120ac1ab3c3a885d73b\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: Why is she continuing to pursue her existing plans for public media in New Zealand, when her own advisory group has been told by stakeholders that \u201CRNZ does not have the history, skills, experience, or infrastructure necessary to fill [the] gap in local coverage.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227dddcff7fb52494899e847447a40855f\u0022\u003EHon CLARE CURRAN\u003C/span\u003E: The advisory group which I appointed has undergone a first round of consultation, largely with the commercial media sector, and of course they would say that. The advisory group is currently undergoing another round of consultation, now that it\u2019s got more time, with a wider range of stakeholders, and I look forward to their advice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002206c3ab3546034d9297bd693843c2caa8\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: Does she believe RNZ would be able to meet the needs to fill the gap in local coverage if she had actually followed through on her $38-million-a-year plan for public broadcasting, prior to Budget 2018?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed538128cc0f443f97d1e31bd170b100\u0022\u003EHon CLARE CURRAN\u003C/span\u003E: As I have said numerous times inside and outside this House, the investment in this Budget in this financial year in public interest media is the biggest in a decade and it is a down payment on an ongoing investment in our national identity and our culture, in our ability to tell our stories no matter where we are in New Zealand, across M\u0101ori and Pacific, and an investment in public interest journalism and an investment in our regions. These things are critical, and I would hope that all of us in the House actually adhered to that and actually believed that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022152f306ab00d449eb8ed7f7c24cf8a6f\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec93148251814366a23562f4f33a75be\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. The member has used her supplementary questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002237c77d388cb4419a9f59b4e4000b6dcf\u0022\u003EUrgent Debates Declined\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220bb0a8fe99b54179831cc2d24793c286\u0022\u003EDeputy Commissioner of Police\u2014Allegations\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002240a3226e1f7249da8616a573859f58ec\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002240a3226e1f7249da8616a573859f58ec\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I have received a letter from Chris Bishop seeking to have a debate on a matter of urgent public importance in relation to allegations printed today with regard to the Deputy Commissioner of Police. I apologise to the House for not having quite the considered ruling that I would normally have but this reached me in the House after the House commenced. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI am not going to accept it and I\u2019m going to rely heavily on the wise ruling of Mr Speaker Carter in 2016, when he said allegations can never constitute a particular case of recent occurrence. I also want to make it clear that if what the member has indicated are allegations were in fact established facts, I would still not accept it, because there is an inquiry that is looking into it and it would be, in my opinion, inappropriate of the House to pre-judge that inquiry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002217f2ecf53f744162bebdff420b084a01\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c033269e8fae4243aa1552217050e1e8\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u0022a3b272738c8e4a309e7e877a98794789\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a3b272738c8e4a309e7e877a98794789\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill be now read a first time. I nominate the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee to consider this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI\u2019d first like to extend a very special welcome to the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi who are here with us in Parliament today to hear the first reading of their bill. I also have with me the taonga which was gifted to me at the deed of settlement signing earlier this year. It is here to keep me company, as well. Ng\u0101ti Rangi iwi, rau rangatira m\u0101 ko aku mihi atu ki a koutou, nau mai, haere mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E[To the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, esteemed leaders, I acknowledge you all; welcome, welcome.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI particularly want to acknowledge the kaum\u0101tua who honour us today with their presence. For decades, they have worked tirelessly to ensure Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s voice has been heard by the Crown, and I regret that many kaum\u0101tua have passed on before they could bear witness to this bill\u2019s first reading. To Ng\u0101ti Rangi, since your first Wai claim was lodged in 1990, you have been resolute in achieving this milestone. Twenty-eight years later, the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill has begun its passage through the House. I must therefore acknowledge the work of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Trust. The trust has held the Crown to account for the prejudice it has caused Ng\u0101ti Rangi since the Treaty was signed in Whanganui in May 1840.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe Treaty was meant to signify a partnership between Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the Crown. However, this aspiration was not realised, as the Crown repeatedly breached its obligations under the Treaty. The Ng\u0101ti Rangi negotiation team never lost sight of the future it envisions for its people\u2014a future where each member of the iwi knows and appreciates their history, where their language flourishes, and where iwi members thrive economically and socially within their rohe. I heard the Ng\u0101ti Rangi lead negotiator, Che Wilson, clearly describe this vision earlier this year when we signed the Ng\u0101ti Rangi deed of settlement in the shadow of the maunga, Ruapehu, and I\u2019m certain this settlement lays a foundation for this future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThrough long days and many long nights, Che Wilson has led the negotiations for Ng\u0101ti Rangi. He\u2019s been supported by a united and well-organised negotiating team including Shar Amner, Kemp Dryden, Cassandra Reid, Toni Waho, and Carl Wilson. I acknowledge the work of the Crown team, led by chief Crown negotiator Dr John Wood, with support from the Office of Treaty Settlements, the New Zealand Defence Force, the Department of Conservation, Land Information New Zealand, the Ministry of Education, the Minister for Social Development, Oranga Tamariki\u2014Ministry for Children, Te Puni K\u014Dkiri, and the Ministry for the Environment. Lastly, I\u2019d like to acknowledge the work of my predecessor, the Hon Christopher Finlayson. For three years, he encouraged and facilitated settlement negotiations with Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and I commend him for his dedication in starting negotiations with Whanganui and the Ruapehu regions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EBefore I outline the features of this bill, it\u2019s important to acknowledge the long history between Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the Crown, which makes this settlement and the Crown\u2019s apology necessary. When the Treaty was signed in 1840, Ng\u0101ti Rangi envisioned a partnership with the Crown. For 178 years, Ng\u0101ti Rangi have remained committed to this partnership, while the Crown has often failed to reciprocate. Many members of Ng\u0101ti Rangi fought for the Crown in wars both here and abroad. They made large tracts of land available for European settlers to live on and to farm\u2014land that has become vitally important for all New Zealanders. In the 19th century, the Crown sought to construct the North Island main trunk railway on a route which would cut the rohe of Ng\u0101ti Rangi in half. Although Ng\u0101ti Rangi willingly provided land for this purpose, when the Crown needed more land, it simply took it and paid no compensation. At the start of the 20th century, the Crown took more land on the slopes of Ruapehu for the Tongariro National Park, again without compensation, and this time without consultation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EFor most of a century, the Crown also failed to provide Ng\u0101ti Rangi with any role in the subsequent management of the land, despite knowing the strong customary association between Ng\u0101ti Rangi and Matua te Mana, Ruapehu. Later, during the middle of the 20th century, the Crown acquired the plains around Wai\u014Duru, which included Te Onetapu\u2014land of immense significance to Ng\u0101ti Rangi as the site where their revered ancestor Taiteariki died. This land is now used for live firing and munitions testing for the benefit of New Zealand\u2019s defence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EAround the same time, the Crown redirected precious waterways within Ng\u0101ti Rangi, within the rohe, into the massive central North Island hydro-electric power generation scheme\u2014again, without consulting Ng\u0101ti Rangi. The Crown\u2019s use of these waterways to generate electricity has disrupted the natural flow of 26 tributaries to the Whangaehu River. It has undermined traditional fisheries and fishing practices, and local authorities have considered the Whangaehu River to be biologically dead.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EDespite the commitment Ng\u0101ti Rangi made to their partnership with the Crown\u2014and for the benefit of the nation\u2014the lack of social and economic development in their rohe has encouraged the widespread dispersal of Ng\u0101ti Rangi peoples from their homeland. That Ng\u0101ti Rangi have committed themselves to the revival not only of their iwi but also of the wider community despite the Crown\u2019s acts and omissions is testament to the iwi\u2019s strength and courage. The Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill is but the latest part of the iwi\u2019s broader strategy to fulfil its aspirations for the future. What is good for the community is good for Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and vice versa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ENegotiations were impressively swift and decisive. Ng\u0101ti Rangi began negotiations with the Crown in 2015, signed an agreement in principle in March 2017, and signed Te Rukutia Te Mana, the Ng\u0101ti Rangi deed of settlement, one year later.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill includes redress designed to aid Ng\u0101ti Rangi on their journey to vibrantly exist in 1,000 years. I need to impress upon this House that Ng\u0101ti Rangi have consistently emphasised to the Crown their traditional and contemporary role as kaitiaki for the natural world within their rohe. The environmental and natural resources redress included in this bill is, therefore, essential to enable Ng\u0101ti Rangi to fulfil their kaitiaki responsibilities, particularly the Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika framework, which establishes a joint river entity comprised of all iwi connected to the Whangaehu River, who will work for the benefit of the awa. Furthermore, the bill also provides for the establishment of Te Pae Ao\u2014a joint committee for the Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the Crown to manage 10 reserve sites within the Ng\u0101ti Rangi rohe. Six cultural sites will be vested in Ng\u0101ti Rangi, including the beds of the sacred Rotokura lakes, and defence lands will be vested in the iwi and then gifted back to the Crown as a contemporary gesture of Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s generosity towards the people of Aotearoa New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EA unique feature of this bill is the volume and depth of its relationship instruments, with 14 Crown agencies and six local authorities. These relationship instruments represent the Crown\u2019s formal commitment to Ng\u0101ti Rangi to act as a Treaty partner and friend. The bill also provides financial and commercial redress for Ng\u0101ti Rangi, including a $17 million contribution to the future development of the iwi. Ng\u0101ti Rangi will also receive commercial redress properties, including the ability to purchase the Karioi Crown-licensed forest.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EAlthough no settlement could ever compensate Ng\u0101ti Rangi for the prejudice they have suffered by the Crown\u2019s acts and omissions, this bill heralds our entry into a renewed relationship, and a significant contribution to the fulfilment of the aspirations of Ng\u0101ti Rangi that they hold so clearly for their future. I consider the bill should proceed without delay to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and I commend this bill to the House. No reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tau huri noa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022 data-id=\u00226ce92e13134246e69bf3a0bac2817350\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226ce92e13134246e69bf3a0bac2817350\u0022\u003ENUK KORAKO (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. T\u0113n\u0101 r\u0101 koutou ng\u0101 k\u014Dwaitaka o t\u014D t\u0101tou m\u0101tua t\u012Bpuna. T\u0113nei te mihi o Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Nau mai, haere mai, e whakatau mai Te Whare P\u0101remata e mihi nei, e tangi nei koutou ng\u0101 kaupapa whakahirahira koutou t\u016Bmanako nei koutou h\u0101pai nei; ka mihi, ka mihi, e mihi atu ki a koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E[Greetings to you collectively, descendants of our ancestral forefathers. I acknowledge you, Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Welcome, pay homage indeed to this House of Parliament here, acknowledging you as you grieve over matters of significance to you in regards to your aspirations that you take aboard; and so I acknowledge, commend, and salute you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI was reminded, actually, just before question time, of when I attended the p\u014D\u2019hiri for Ng\u0101ti Rangi here in Parliament, that, as a son of Ng\u0101i Tahu, K\u0101ti M\u0101moe Waitaha, we do have a very, very succinct and direct relationship when we talk about the pounamu, because it was Poutini, actually, that went north to this beautiful area and, in some ways, coerced\u2014I won\u2019t say \u201Ctaken\u201D, but took Waitaiki and went south again to the Arahura River. So I acknowledge my part of that whanauka and that story of Ng\u0101ti Rangi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EIt is, then, with real pride that I stand to speak to this first reading\u2014this reading of \u201CTe Pire o Te Rukutia Te Mana\u201D\u2014the first reading of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill. And, in doing so, I want to look back on a small part of the long history of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, particularly within its own rohe and upon its own whenua, used in the development of this bill. And that small part relates to the events that occurred in the 1860s, with the Upper Whanganui River Iwi, and the decision of some Ng\u0101ti Rangi to support the Crown when fighting broke out, thus earning that name k\u016Bpapa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThe word \u201Ck\u016Bpapa\u201D has come to represent a meaning that is not supported in history\u2014it is not supported in history. The real meaning of the word is in some ways neutral, and that\u2019s what Ng\u0101ti Rangi were\u2014\u201Ck\u016Bpapa\u201D in the real meaning. Now, to put a bit of context there, such were the times that M\u0101ori could not remain neutral for long. Sides had to be drawn, and Ng\u0101ti Rangi found itself having to determine where it stood and what that stand would take. So what we have here with Ng\u0101ti Rangi is that it was about siding with the Crown for the mere fact of survival.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EMany Ng\u0101ti Rangi chose to stand with the Crown during the fighting that broke out in the region, but such is the complexity of whakapapa, whanaungatanga, that others would stand with wh\u0101nau against the Crown forces. Cousin fought cousin, father fought son, and the sorrow of Ng\u0101ti Rangi involvement in these battles is best summed up by the words of a late aunt, and that was the Ng\u0101ti Kura kuia R\u016Bm\u0101tiki Wright, who raised at Hiruh\u0101rama, or Jerusalem, in Whanganui, on the Whanganui River, by saying, \u201CResistance and collaboration are both valid forms of survival, if we are there at the time then we can debate that, but when we are not there, it\u2019s too easy for us to look back on history and pass judgement.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EWell, judgment was passed on Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and, indeed, it was a very, very unfair judgment. For standing with the Crown, many Ng\u0101ti Rangi were labelled as the Crown\u2019s opponents merely for living in the same rohe as their wh\u0101nauka who fought against the Crown. In attempting to exercise their tino rakatirataka by entering private lease arrangements with Europeans without the Crown\u2019s involvement, the Crown prevented this and instead inserted themselves as lessees to these commercial dealings. Even before the leases ended, the Crown vigorously purchased over half the land Ng\u0101ti Rangi wished only to lease.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThe fragmentation of M\u0101ori lands through the individualisation of title accelerated the huge land loss that we now see in the historical account. How many times have we actually sat here in this House and heard repeated stories on how land was taken from iwi M\u0101ori? But today is the important day. It is the ultimate here that on this day of the first reading to acknowledge what happened to Ng\u0101ti Rangi, we are here to ensure that the sins of the past are finally, in some ways, laid to rest. So let\u2019s just have a look at what I\u2019m talking about in the historical context.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EIn 1907, the Crown set the boundaries of the Tongariro National Park without consulting Ng\u0101ti Rangi. W\u0101ihi tapu sites of immense significance to Ng\u0101ti Rangi were located on that block. Ng\u0101ti Rangi were excluded from the administration of the park until the 1980s. Efforts by Ng\u0101ti Rangi to try and retain their land were all but in vain. So from landholdings of 62,000 acres in the 1900s, today it has only 13,500 acres left, and that is the travesty here, again, that Ng\u0101ti Rangi actually have gone through. Much of that is because of the Public Works Act. Most of it was through the Public Works Act, an all too familiar mechanism\u2014isn\u2019t it\u2014on M\u0101ori land that was taken in the name of progress, and that progress, as we see with Ng\u0101ti Rangi, had a huge influence on what happened to this iwi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003ESo the result of this loss was a desecration of an economic base, the abilities to sustain themselves, and the consequent loss to wairua. That, in turn, manifested itself, as we\u2019ve seen so many times, through poor educational outcomes and social disruption, and one of the worst things is the dispersion of population away from their ancestral lands. So this settlement is, indeed, a chance for Ng\u0101ti Rangi to claw back what has been lost.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThe settlement, in some ways, is a good start when we look at the quantum of $17 million in commercial redress. At least that will be the start of that economical journey through to ensure that the iwi continues to have what we may know as tino rakatirataka. The cultural redress is comprehensive as well, and others will actually go through that, but I think the important thing is that resurrection, in some ways, or the beginning of the relationship with the Department of Conservation and that partnership, particularly on lands that are actually controlled or owned by the Department of Conservation or the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EPerhaps, most importantly, is the Crown apology. I think it\u2019s one of the most important. When we look at Ng\u0101i Tahu, in some ways it wasn\u2019t the money that was important; it was about the apology\u2014it was about the apology. Indeed, in this deed, it is no exception. Now, there is still a process to go through. This is the first reading. Then it will come down to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. Then there will be the hearing of submissions. Then there will be a second reading. Then there will be a committee stage. But, at the end of the day, we will see those beautiful faces there in the gallery that will be there for the third reading, and then the final part of the settlement. So we all look forward to that day when that can happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, Rino Tirikatene, and the way that he actually guides our committee through these particular important Treaty settlements and that process. So on that note, I, indeed, commend this bill\u2014this incredible bill, \u201CTe Pire o te Rukutia Te Mana\u201D\u2014to the House. Kia ora koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022cf1f736c19ca4b6aa605a58021881849\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cf1f736c19ca4b6aa605a58021881849\u0022\u003EADRIAN RURAWHE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Hau\u0101uru):\u003C/span\u003E Kor\u014Dria, hareruia ki a Ihowa o ng\u0101 mano t\u016B\u0101uriuri, wh\u0101ioio; k\u012B tonu te rangi me te whenua i te nui o t\u014Dna kor\u014Dria, t\u012Bhei mauriora. Kei te mihi atu an\u014D i te \u0101huatanga ki \u014D t\u0101tou tini mate, r\u0101tou katoa hinga mai n\u0101 puta noa i ng\u0101 moutere nei; n\u014D reira e ng\u0101 mate maha o te w\u0101, hoki wairua atu ki a r\u0101tou m\u0101. \u0100piti hono, t\u0101tai hono, te hunga wairua ki te hunga wairua; \u0101piti hono, t\u0101tai hono te hunga ora ki te hunga ora, n\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa o Te Whare nei. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau me ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Rangi. T\u0113nei au t\u014D koutou whanaunga e tuku mihi atu ki a koutou, nau mai haramai. Haramai ki Te Whare P\u0101remata m\u014D te p\u0101nuitanga tuatahi o te pire hei whakatau i ng\u0101 ker\u0113me o Ng\u0101ti Rangi. N\u014D reira Ng\u0101ti Rangi t\u0113n\u0101 koutou\u2014t\u0113n\u0101 koutou i runga i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero mai r\u0101 an\u014D, otir\u0101 i runga i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero i roto i te pire hei whakatau i ng\u0101 ker\u0113me. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EAnei \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero i roto i te pire. \u201CKo te Whare Toka o Paerangi, koia ko Ruapehu maunga e t\u016B nei i te puku o te Ika-a-M\u0101ui hei poutokomanawa m\u014D te Ika. Ko ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga o te poutokomanawa e h\u0101ngai p\u016B ana ki t\u014Dna t\u016Branga i waenga i te K\u0101hui Maunga, t\u0113r\u0101 ko Matua te Mana. \u2026 Ko t\u0113nei mana i ahu mai i te k\u014Dp\u016B tonu o Papat\u016B\u0101nuku, ka kumea ake e Pikimai Rawea, e Ranginui e t\u016B iho nei, hei whenua, a n\u0101 wai r\u0101, hei maunga k\u014Drero, hei p\u0101taka iringa mana m\u014D te Ika-a-M\u0101ui tat\u016B mai ki a t\u0101tau te kaupapa tangata.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u201C\u2026 Ko Ng\u0101ti Rangi ng\u0101 uri a Paerangi atua, a Paerangi tipua, a Paerangi tupuna e hono kau ana ki te mana tuku iho o ng\u0101 Atua o te p\u014D heke iho ki a Matua te Mana. He hono t\u0101ngaengae i whakat\u014Dkia ki roto i te ira tangata taka iho ki a m\u0101tau ng\u0101 uri whakatupu o Ng\u0101ti Rangi, mai i te w\u0101 i tapaina t\u014D m\u0101tau maunga e M\u0101ui Tikitiki-a-Taranga e mea ana: \u2018N\u0101ku te ika i h\u012B, n\u0101ku an\u014D i whakatau.\u2019 \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u201C\u2026 N\u014D Matua te Mana te mana motuhake o Ng\u0101ti Rangi, te iwi o Paerangi, heke iho ki a m\u0101tau e h\u0101pai ana, e pupuru ana i te mana atua, i te mana whenua, i te mana tupuna urunga tomo ki h\u0113nei rangi ki te mana kei te kaupapa tangata. Ko t\u014Dna mana, e hono kau ana ki ng\u0101 maunga whakah\u012B me ng\u0101 wai tuku kiri o te Ika nui. N\u014D reira, me p\u0113nei an\u014D, ko te mana motuhake o h\u0101na uri o Ng\u0101ti Rangi e t\u016B nei hei tohu, hei whakaatu ki te ao.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Glory and hallelujah to Jehovah of the myriad hosts; heaven and earth are filled with his glory, rejoice, there is life. I acknowledge our dear departed, those who have recently died throughout these islands; therefore, to all the many recently deceased, may your spirits return to those who have gone before. Let the connections be drawn and the departed spirits rest in peace together; let the connections be drawn and the living find the living, I give greetings to one and all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI greet all of us here in this House. I greet the families and subtribes of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Here I am, your relation, extending warm greetings to you all; welcome, welcome. Welcome to Parliament for the first reading of the bill which will settle Ng\u0101ti Rangi claims. Therefore, Ng\u0101ti Rangi, greetings\u2014greetings while we remember relevant stories from long ago, stories which are now recorded in the bill seeking to settle the claims. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EHere are some of those things which have been included in the bill. \u201CMount Ruapehu, the House of Stone of Paerangi, stands in the middle of the North Island as the centre pillar of the Great Fish of M\u0101ui. The centre pillar metaphor complements his role as the central figure of the Mountain Clan, the Absolute of Authority. \u2026 His mana has its origins in the depths of Papat\u016B\u0101nuku, drawn by Maui\u2019s Fishing Hook, Pikimai Rawea, it was drawn forth by Sky Father and turned the fish to land and into a mountain and this mana was then bestowed upon us as a people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u201C\u2026 Ng\u0101ti Rangi are the descendants of Paerangi the God of the Milky Way, of the demi-god and ancestor and connect directly to the mana of the pantheon of Gods and of the mountain, Ruapehu. This metaphysical connection comes from the beginning of time and flows in the veins of the descendants of Ng\u0101ti Rangi since the time that M\u0101ui Tikitiki-a-Taranga named and recorded its name in the following proverb: \u2018It was I who fished up and calmed the Great Fish.\u2019 \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe mana motuhake of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, the descendants of Paerangi, emanates from Ruapehu (Matua te Mana) and this responsibility has been carried from our origins as a people through to the present. Our mana motuhake connects to our mountains, land and waterways. This responsibility that continues to be exercised stands as a testament to Ng\u0101ti Rangi as a tribal nation.\u201D]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThank you for allowing me to read these words directly from the deed of settlement before the House. They are, I believe, very important to Ng\u0101ti Rangi. As an uri, as a descendant, of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, it\u2019s an honour and pleasure for me to take a call in this first reading debate of settlement claim. Can I acknowledge the many that have gathered here to hear the first reading\u2014the many that are watching on television and listening to this debate. Can I, in particular, acknowledge, as the Minister did also, the negotiators for Ng\u0101ti Rangi: Che Wilson, Shar Amner, Kemp Dryden, Cass Reid, Toni Waho, and Carl Wilson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EAs someone who has been a negotiator myself, I quite understand the challenges that present themselves for negotiating. Can I say through you, Madam Deputy Speaker, that it is a difficult job, but what I can see within this bill is that the kaupapa tuku iho, those things that are passed down to the negotiators for Ng\u0101ti Rangi have permeated themselves through the framework of this legislation. I think that\u2019s a very important thing, because the framework for Treaty settlement negotiations is such that they are not always friendly to the settlement iwi. It\u2019s a Crown construct that those iwi need to work within, and so to be able to achieve where the settled iwi is able to include the way that they think and see the world within that framework is to be commended, and I do so today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI also want to look to the future, as my cousin Che Wilson did on the marae when the deed of settlement was signed. He spoke about what the future of Ng\u0101ti Rangi might look like. He spoke about the encapsulated hopes and aspiration for the future by talking about some young people that might exist in a few decades to come and what the world might be like for them. I think that this process\u2014it needs to be acknowledged that this is about the future. This is not compensation; it is redress. And why would we accept redress in what is not a perfect framework for settling claims? We would do it for the future opportunities that it would present for future generations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EAnd the Crown has its part to play. My colleague Nuk Korako talked about the apology, and I join with him and acknowledge what he said. It\u2019s important to also acknowledge that an apology needs to mean something for the past, for now, and into the future. And focusing on the future, what it needs to mean for the future is that the Crown never ever again puts Ng\u0101ti Rangi in the position that it has done so far. That\u2019s a very high bar. That\u2019s a very serious matter for the future, because unless we uphold the apology that is in this bill, then\u2014I won\u2019t say it\u2019s meaningless, but it would mean that that apology has been trampled on, and we don\u2019t want that for the future. So all future legislation that comes through this House needs to ensure that it\u2019s mindful of the agreement with Ng\u0101ti Rangi, that we do not pass laws in this House that impact negatively on Ng\u0101ti Rangi ever again, and that the Crown never ever takes such actions against Ng\u0101ti Rangi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ESo my final point that I want to make is just to encourage every single wh\u0101nau of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, every hap\u016B, to make a submission to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee on this piece of legislation. Whether one is for the bill or against it\u2014I would imagine most will be very much for this legislation\u2014it\u2019s really important that the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee hears that k\u014Drero. And one more thing: I do want to acknowledge other uri, other descendants, of Ng\u0101ti Rangi in the House, Jo Hayes and Harete Hipango. I\u2019m sure we join together to acknowledge Ng\u0101ti Rangi today. N\u014D reira, t\u0113nei ahau e tuku mihi atu ki a t\u0101tou i t\u0113nei r\u0101 whakahirahira; t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Therefore, I acknowledge one and all on this important day; greetings.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022 data-id=\u00221e95708f89f94e22a9edccdbd6e3045e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221e95708f89f94e22a9edccdbd6e3045e\u0022\u003EJO HAYES (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Deputy Speaker. E koro m\u0101, e kui m\u0101, rau rangatira m\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau wh\u0101nui o Ng\u0101ti Rangi, ka nui te mihi atu ki a koutou; nau mai, haere mai ki te Whare i te r\u0101 whakahirahira.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Esteemed elders, distinguished leaders: greetings to you all. I extend warm greetings to all the kinsmen of Ng\u0101ti Rangi; welcome, welcome to the House on this important day.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI stand here each time with the Treaty settlement bills, always very humbled at having the opportunity to speak at the first right through to the third readings of these bills. This one, like a couple of others that I\u2019ve spoken on, is also very dear to my heart: the Ngati Porou bills, the Whanganui Iwi river claim bills, and the Ng\u0101ti Rangi bills, and no doubt there will be a few more that will come through this House that I whakapapa to. My mother is of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi iwi. Her wh\u0101nau, wh\u0101nau t\u012Bpuna, are the wh\u0101nau Te Whareponga, Karaitiana, and Herewini of the Whanganui River. I know that even though she lives in Masterton, her heart is always divided between the Masterton wh\u0101nau and the Whanganui wh\u0101nau, and I always say to her, \u201CWe are one, mum. We are one.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003ESo I pay acknowledgment to all of those who have come here today from Ng\u0101ti Rangi, from \u014Ch\u0101kune and surrounds, to come and listen to the first reading of your bill, and to hear some of the things that we are going to recite back to you\u2014the work that you have done. This being the first reading, we still have to come and hear what the wh\u0101nau have to say through the submission process, which I always look forward to because it\u2019s usually at that time that we get closest to wh\u0101nau that have actually gone through this process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge Che Wilson, sitting up in the gallery. Che and I\u2014I am whanaunga to all of them in the gallery, but with Che, we go back a long way in some of the mahi that I did in Wanganui, and some future work yet to come. I want to also acknowledge his team of negotiators as well, a couple of them that I\u2019ve had work relationships with, Kemp Dryden and also with Toni Waho, so I also want to acknowledge you and the other negotiators as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI want to pay tribute to t\u016Bpuna that have passed and I want to pay tribute to mokopuna yet to come, because this is what this is all about at the end of the day. What happens here today reflects and will be the investment of the future for Ng\u0101ti Rangi. We see it in the six pou of their negotiation framework that they used to be able to make sure that everything stays within their realms so they took control of their negotiation process. That is, the Ng\u0101 Poupou o te Wharetoka: the pillar of the House of Stone of Paerangi\u2014Paerangi being the tupuna of Ng\u0101ti Rangi; Paerangi being the god of the Milky Way; Paerangi who begat Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003ESo I want to talk about those six poupou because, in the contributions so far\u2014from my colleague Nuk Korako to my whanaunga Adrian Rurawhe, they have touched on the aspects of the six poupou, the first one being \u201CHohourongo\u201D, whereby the iwi seeks durable settlement of their historical grievances. We have heard that discussion in the House today, through the Minister, through my whanaunga Adrian, and through Nuk Korako, about the apology and the meaning of the apology. That apology actually sits as a base for a durable settlement process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EWe look at the second pou of the six poupou, \u201CTe Matapihi\u201D. That is the Crown relationship\u2014again, that apology, the meaning of that apology, and the ability for iwi and Crown to keep and go back and revisit their relationship into the future. I think it is the revisiting of that relationship that brings the relationship closer, and it also puts in the checks and balances should anything go a bit astray.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E\u201CNg\u0101ti Rangitanga\u201D: this is where Ng\u0101ti Rangi talks about being strong and resilient into the future for Ng\u0101ti Rangi. This is the mokopuna. This is being strong and resilient for the mokopuna.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E\u201CHauoratanga\u201D is very straightforward. That is the well-being of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Not just the health and the education but the whole being, the wairuatanga\u2014the whole being. This is what this process is about, and this is what the negotiation pous are about: to make sure we keep those all in check for Ng\u0101ti Rangi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E\u201CTe Ao T\u016Broa\u201D: the environment and the relationship of the people to the environment. It is very close\u2014it always has been for M\u0101ori. We move in and out of the environment so seamlessly. This is what this particular pou stands for.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThe last pou, \u201CMuramura Te Ahi\u201D: the importance of their way of negotiating the deed that came through. These were the pou that Ng\u0101ti Rangi has used for the negotiation process, and I think they\u2019re very sound pou. They\u2019re robust pou. They are pou that go into the future\u2014that are futuristic for Ng\u0101ti Rangi. I think that the Crown has also been able to come to respect those pou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI want to talk about the process of actually coming here today, and the work of the Hon Andrew Little, Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations\u2014the Minister that picked up the very well-honed Treaty settlement baton of the Hon Chris Finlayson, who started this process with Ng\u0101ti Rangi back on 15 February 2015 when they sat down and nutted out those terms of agreement that actually started this process to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI move forward to March 2017, when the agreement in principle was signed between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and that was another step forward to this place today. Then, of course, in March 2018 when the Hon Andrew Little made his way up into the whenua of Ng\u0101ti Rangi to sign the deed of settlement, to today, where we stand to celebrate the first reading of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI want to talk a little bit about the whakatauk\u012B of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, because Ng\u0101ti Rangi are so intrinsically involved with the central plateau. Ruapehu, being the god of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, has such a prominent place, not just in the history of Aotearoa New Zealand but in Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s history, and, as I said, is the god of Paerangi, the god of the Milky Way, Madam Chair\u2014Madam Deputy Speaker. I keep calling you Madam Chair, mainly because we\u2019ve just come out of committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI want to pay homage to the cultural redress that Ng\u0101ti Rangi has negotiated for themselves. This is around the framework of Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika\u2014the Whangaehu River that starts up in the maunga and makes its way and weaves its way all the way down through Ng\u0101ti Apa whenua and out to sea\u2014and the statutory recognition and values of Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika, Te Mana Tupua o Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika and Ng\u0101 Toka Tupua o Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI want to talk about those four intrinsic values\u2014and I know that the clock is chiming down and my time is running out, but I want to make sure that those particular four intrinsic values of Ng\u0101 Toka Tupua o Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika are heard in this House. They are: \u201CKo te K\u0101hui Maunga te m\u0101t\u0101puna o te ora: The sacred mountain clan, the source of Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika \u2026 He wai-ariki-rangi, he wai-ariki-nuku, tuku iho, tuku iho \u2026 Ko ng\u0101 wai tiehu ki ng\u0101 wai riki, tuku iho ki tai hei wai\u016B, hei wai t\u014Dt\u0101 e \u2026 Kia hua mai ng\u0101 k\u014Drero o ng\u0101 wai, kia hua mai te wai ora e.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E As 32 seconds count down, I wanted to make sure that I had those out. They were pretty quick coming out, but I wanted to have them said in this House so they go down in the history of the Hansards of Parliament so that when the mokopuna come here to this Parliament and do research on the history of this, they will see those four intrinsic pou set out in this House today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI am absolutely proud and privileged to commend this bill to the House, and I look forward to the future. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u0022c42c842c3b1f4bfd9450364da2d7e03e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c42c842c3b1f4bfd9450364da2d7e03e\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK (Minister of Defence):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. E Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ki ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Rangi, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. He nui aku mihi mahana, ng\u0101 mihi maioha, me ng\u0101 mihi aroha hoki ki a koutou. Nau mai ki t\u0113nei Whare, Te Whare P\u0101remata, t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E[To you, the descendants of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, I greet you all. I greet you with great warmth, with affection, and with love. Welcome to this House, Parliament House, our House. Greetings, greetings to one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Rangi, as one of Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu, I welcome you, and also as one of Ngati Porou, Whakat\u014Dhea, Ng\u0101ti Raukawa, Te Arawa, T\u016Bwharetoa, Ng\u0101ti Awa, Rangit\u0101ne, and Ng\u0101i Tahu, I also welcome you to this place for this very important day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI acknowledge, with a degree of personal humility, your maunga, Ruapehu, who I have walked around, run over, and lived on, beneath, and under many times over the years of my military service, and your awa, the Whangaehu, a river that I have plodded in and out of, been drenched by, frozen by many, many times as I exercised both as a young soldier and then, in years after that, as an officer training young soldiers in your rohe, in your taonga tuku iho. I thank you very much, and I acknowledge you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003ESpeaking to Te Rukutia Te Mana, it reminds me of my own journey as a lead negotiator for the Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu ki Wairarapa T\u0101maki Nui-a-Rua\u2019s Treaty settlement. Looking at some of the issues and the special factors that are contained within your deed, the matters that have now been resolved between Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the Crown, I can\u2019t help but see the similarities between your claim and Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu ki Wairarapa T\u0101maki Nui-a-Rua. The quashing of leasehold agreements legally entered into between the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi and settling P\u0101keh\u0101 is something that was also done in the Wairarapa. For those of us who know, it is actually, when you look back, something that one takes a little pride in, knowing that your ancestors, your tipuna, had the foresight and the vision to see the advantage in not selling land, as some people these days seem to think is the right thing to do\u2014selling land to anyone, any foreigner that steps foot on this shore. It is comforting to know that our ancestors saw that as a stupid thing and did not want to partake.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThey saw greater value in leasing the land on a long-term basis to encourage investment, to encourage growth and development but still retain ownership of your own taonga, your treasure that your children, for generations to come, might continue to profit and gain from such a wise, strategic economic decision. Like I said, it was the same thing in the Wairarapa. I would say, even, that our iwi had vision, our ancestors had vision, and they could see the economic gain in that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EWhat is difficult to comprehend in this day and age is that a Governor and a Government would seek to quash those arrangements and supplant themselves as the only body capable of buying, selling, and transacting real estate contracts, so denying Ng\u0101ti Rangi the opportunity to develop its own economic base. Lease-holding agreements that were collaborative and legal arrangements between those two parties would have delivered economic gain and advantages intergenerationally for eternity. The destruction of those arrangements, along with confiscation via use of the Public Works Act and even just straight-out confiscation without recompense, all served to undermine and destroy the social and economic fabric of the iwi, the fragmentation and destruction of its people, and even driving many, many members of the iwi into poverty and destitution. It is a story that has been repeated up and down this land, and it is an absolute pleasure to be able to stand here today and deliver New Zealand First\u2019s contribution in support of the first reading of your settlement, let me assure you of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EIt is also ironic that a people who served alongside the Crown, loyally, at great cost to themselves, should have ended up in the position that they did. But, again, that sadly is the way it worked out for many iwi who did the very same thing. The notion that having allied oneself and fulfilled one\u2019s obligation under a treaty to support the sovereign, to support the Crown, the notion that one would then find oneself disadvantaged by that very same body and having to fight to retain one\u2019s own land and re-establish one\u2019s own economic base, one\u2019s own very existence, is something that is hard to understand today, but it happened. Again, I share an understanding of that from my great ancestor and namesake, Rongowhitiao Te Puni Maaka, also known as Arekatera, who fought as one of the Te Arawa\u2014in fact, led Te Arawa and Ng\u0101ti Raukawa\u2014only to find himself fighting in the courts to retain what was left of their land in Horohoro. So we understand. I just want you to know that I, personally, understand the journey that you have travelled as a people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EToday, I do have the privilege of standing here as the Minister of Defence, and I wish to acknowledge Ng\u0101ti Rangi for its generosity, its grace, and for the hospitality that you showed me on 10 March this year, when I attended your signing not only of the deed, Te Rukutia Te Mana, but also the relationship agreement between Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the New Zealand Army through the chief of army. The grace that you have shown and the recognition that you have for the importance and the value of that real estate, even though it was taken, to the security and the defence of this nation needs to be recognised by all of New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThe fact that in your cultural settlement, you are accepting ownership of\u2014I\u2019m just going to pop straight out of my head right now\u2014Irirangi, and that you will then gift it back to the people of New Zealand, again, is a hallmark of your generosity, your grace, and your realisation of the importance of Irirangi and the entire Wai\u014Duru training area to this whole nation. That is something that I as the Minister of Defence, I as a Minister in this Government, as a former defence service person, and someone who has the pleasure and the privilege of being the Minister of our entire defence force, want to thank you for. We want to thank you. We applaud you for your decision and for your deed of settlement and the journey that you have walked. We look forward to a swift passage through this House and to being able to be here to congratulate you in the third reading. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022 data-id=\u00220f4ea6ab83c84adb81c8bc26b89f1d3c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220f4ea6ab83c84adb81c8bc26b89f1d3c\u0022\u003EIAN McKELVIE (National\u2014Rangit\u012Bkei):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It\u2019s a pleasure to get up and speak to the first reading of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill. I want to acknowledge all the members of Ng\u0101ti Rangi who have come to Parliament today, but I particularly want to acknowledge Che Wilson, who\u2019s always very kind to me. The first time I ever visited him under that amazing mountain, in a little office across the\u2014I can\u2019t remember the name of the creek, but it\u2019s certainly across the railway line in \u014Ch\u0101kune. Ever since then, he\u2019s kept me informed of what\u2019s going on in the world, and he certainly is a great educator. I also want to just briefly acknowledge Soraya Peke-Mason, who I met first in local body politics, actually. Soraya has been a member of the Rangit\u012Bkei District Council ever since that time\u2014quite a while now, actually.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI think this is an exciting day, and I just want to comment on a press release I saw, where the press release said, \u201CThis bill is significant for the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi.\u201D Well, you\u2019d have to think that\u2019s an understatement, wouldn\u2019t you? It\u2019s got to be more than significant. I think it\u2019s a very special day. I think all these Treaty settlement processes are very special days, and before I go any further I just want to acknowledge Minister Little and the Hon Chris Finlayson, who I\u2019ll talk about a little later, because we had some interesting discussions in the course of this settlement bill. I also want to acknowledge Jo Hayes, Nuk Korako, the Hon Ron Mark, and\u2014who else spoke?\u2014Adrian Rurawhe, right out of the heart of the Rangit\u012Bkei electorate. I\u2019m sure that South Islander Rino Tirikatene will come along and try and grab a bit of this glory here, too, but I\u2019ll forgive him for that. I think that it\u2019s pretty special, because they can detail all the fact, and I\u2019m going to get into a bit of the fiction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EThis is without a doubt one of the most beautiful parts of New Zealand. There\u2019s no question that these people live in one of the most beautiful parts of New Zealand, not only because it\u2019s a beautiful part of New Zealand; it\u2019s the home of, certainly, one national park right in the thick of Ng\u0101ti Rangi territory and another national park right on their border. Not only that, when you read the details of the settlement, there are significant reserve lands involved in this settlement, all of which are pretty amazing places. Right in the heart of that, there are huge tourism developments going on as well, and I think it\u2019s a pretty special part of New Zealand. It\u2019s a part of New Zealand that they should be proud to live in, and I know they are.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI\u2019m one of those very lucky New Zealanders. My family have been in New Zealand since about 1840, and we\u2019ve had the privilege of living in the same street since 1870, and I\u2019ll bet there aren\u2019t too many Ng\u0101ti Rangi who have had the privilege of living in the same place since 1870. The reason they haven\u2019t is because of the way they\u2019ve been treated by the Government in successive generations. When you think about it\u2014and I should never say this, because I\u2019m extremely proud to be a member of Parliament\u2014I\u2019m quite pleased that my ancestors weren\u2019t members of Parliament in the days when what went on in early New Zealand went on, and I think that\u2019s pretty significant. I\u2019m pleased to say that my ancestors weren\u2019t part of those decisions. It\u2019s almost impossible, when you read the background to this claim, to believe the things that happened, not only to this claim but only a week or two ago we had Ng\u0101ti T\u016Bwharetoa in here\u2014very similar thing. Wherever you go with the Treaty process, it\u2019s exactly the same. I think it was Adrian Rurawhe who said that this is not a settlement; this is an acknowledgment of what\u2019s passed and it\u2019s a way forward. And I look forward to the way forward, because I think it will be very exciting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI just want to make mention of the way different iwi deal with these claims, and I\u2019ve watched Ng\u0101ti Rangi in the last seven or eight years, and they certainly haven\u2019t sat around waiting for this settlement to get dealt with. They\u2019ve got on with the job of looking after their people as best they can, and doing what they needed to do to prepare for a time when this settlement finally goes through\u2014and it won\u2019t take long, because I\u2019m sure, as one of the earlier speakers said, there won\u2019t be a lot of dissension around the terms of this settlement process now it\u2019s got to the point it\u2019s got to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EIt really intrigues me that\u2014and the Hon Ron Mark made mention of it\u2014the dissolution, I guess, of Ng\u0101ti Rangi lands went on for so long. I don\u2019t think it finished until about 1970, and in 1970, I think, they ended up with 13,500 acres left. I\u2019d have to say they\u2019re pretty good farmers, though\u2014they\u2019re good at that\u2014so what they had left they made the most of, and I think that\u2019s of great credit to them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI want to talk about a couple of other things that I think are really critical to this settlement process, and it\u2019s something you never think about and most New Zealanders would never see, because it\u2019s been done years ago. But when you look at the huge implication the Tongariro power scheme has had on where I live, for example\u2014down by the coast\u2014and that it\u2019s had on the whole of the Rangit\u012Bkei, Whanganui, and certainly the area that Ng\u0101ti Rangi live in, it\u2019s distorted the environment to some extent, because you can\u2019t take water from one end of the country and stick it down a river on the other end of the country and not have a dramatic impact on the environment and the place that we live. I think that\u2019s a significant part of this process. It will never be fixed, because it can\u2019t be fixed, but it\u2019s an issue, and it\u2019s not that long ago that it happened. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI\u2019m sure that sort of thing would not be able to\u2014the Resource Management Act has probably taken care of that sort of thing, and it\u2019s a very good thing it has, because it\u2019s certainly made a big difference to the way that part of New Zealand works, and I know that on the Rangit\u012Bkei River, it\u2019s made a big difference to the way that that works. So that\u2019s one of the things that\u2019s had a big impact on this settlement process, on this iwi, and on this part of New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EAnother one\u2014and it\u2019s very significant\u2014is the Whangaehu River. I think if you think about it, aside from the fact that it comes out of the Crater Lake on Ruapehu and, I guess, to a large extent, it\u2019s acidic, the most critical thing about that river, of course, is it\u2019s the home of one of New Zealand\u2019s great disasters in the Tangiwai rail disaster. I think that when you see the little bit of progress\u2014or I suppose it\u2019s significant progress\u2014that\u2019s been made with the memorial at Tangiwai in the last year or two, at least it\u2019s an effort to recognise the significance of that event. I\u2019m very pleased to see the way that\u2019s coming together, and I hope it continues. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EThe Hon Chris Finlayson did ask me what I thought about the proposition around the Whangaehu River, and, obviously, I\u2019m not qualified to comment on it, but I find it very interesting. I think that putting together a group of people to\u2014well, you won\u2019t fix it, will you? But, certainly, to try and implement the repair to that river and the catchment around it, and also to its tributaries, is pretty significant. Of course, it runs out to sea not very far from Adrian\u2019s home\u2014in fact, I think it runs through his home on the odd occasion, whether he likes it or not\u2014and that\u2019s one of the challenges that we\u2019ve got with these rivers. But it does run out to sea not very far from where he lives, and it\u2019s a very destructive little river when it gets going, as well you know. It does an awful lot of damage. So I find those two things are interesting. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EThe other interesting thing for all of us, of course, is that the Wai\u014Duru army base is a piece of New Zealand history and the Wai\u014Duru training area is a piece of New Zealand history, but what most people don\u2019t realise is that Irirangi was a navy base about 200 kilometres from the sea\u2014a pretty extraordinary thing. So it originally was a navy telecommunications base right in the middle of the North Island, and so those are also very significant things. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI want to wish Ng\u0101ti Rangi all the best in the course of their travels. Certainly, I know that this bill will get through this House in expedient time, under the very careful chairmanship of Rino Tirikatene, the man from Ng\u0101i Tahu\u2014but he won\u2019t hold that against you, I\u2019m pretty sure. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c009eaa64b7433ab460dcd86b2da2ec\u0022\u003ENuk Korako\u003C/span\u003E: Oh! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed586e6858d54f1195c6ee77633d68fa\u0022\u003EIAN McKELVIE\u003C/span\u003E: Oh sorry, Nuk\u2014he won\u2019t, either. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EBut I guess the only other thing I wanted to mention was that whilst almost everyone\u2019s claimed relationship to Ng\u0101ti Rangi, I\u2019ve looked around in my history and I can\u2019t find any. I\u2019m out of luck there, so I guess I have no vested interest in this issue! So, anyway, I want to wish you all the best. I\u2019m sure this process will work very well, and I look forward to seeing the results of it in years to come. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u002221ac0da50c3e4a2c9eb70b309139bd6c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002221ac0da50c3e4a2c9eb70b309139bd6c\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green)\u003C/span\u003E E Te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa; \u014Dku hoa kaimahi i roto i t\u0113nei Whare P\u0101remata, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. Nei r\u0101 taku mihi aroha e ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Rangi i roto i t\u0113nei Whare t\u0113nei te mihi mahana ki a koutou katoa, kia ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Greetings to one and all, to my colleagues in this House of Parliament; greetings to you. May I also extend warm greetings to the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi who are in this House; greetings to you all, greetings.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EAs always, it\u2019s a great honour to stand in this House today as a Green Party MP, to acknowledge Ng\u0101ti Rangi and this important next step forward for them. I recognise and I understand that it\u2019s been 28 years from the first claim to get this legislation to the House, even though the negotiation of the actual settlement, in relative terms, was quite quick. This is always a significant day and, I suspect, for all the registered members of Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2014they number around 2,500 people\u2014this day is a significant moment. It is the result of many years of work, after generations of heartbreak and betrayal on behalf of the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI\u2019m always conscious that when we stand at this time to, in some sense, welcome in a piece of legislation where there is so much heart vested in it, it is a great responsibility to stand here and receive it. I do notice, though, that sometimes in this House it\u2019s easy, as we all support the settlements\u2014sometimes there\u2019s a subtle sense of congratulations on our part as we stand in this House. But, on behalf of the Green Party, I want to acknowledge that for Ng\u0101ti Rangi, this process does not undo the damage done. While iwi katoa resilience and negotiations skills are irrefutably impressive, the Crown has still set limits that sit uncomfortably with the true spirit of Te Tiriti o Waitangi and with the true meaning of restitution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ESometimes this process can even create more conflicts between h\u0101pu. When the Crown changed land law to undermine collective ownership\u2014pitting family against family, and, indeed, ruling through division\u2014they created divisions that are hard to heal. The process of settling can help heal but it can also inflame these old wounds. I understand that this settlement, for some, will be no different. Te Tiriti supports hap\u016Btanga, and yet hap\u016Btanga is often undermined by the settlement process. I want to acknowledge that up front before going into the detail of your claim, which many of you will rightfully feel proud of getting to here, because of the scope and the size of the power of the Crown that you have been up against.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ESo, firstly, just to acknowledge some of the history, and, particularly\u2014it will be brief and inadequate. I will set some of the points on record though, because it is a point of principle that most P\u0101keh\u0101 in this country never, ever get to hear this history. Just this week I received an email from somebody who was complaining about M\u0101ori access to settlement of something, saying that that was just racism. I needed to send them a link that outlined just a little bit of how much has been taken from M\u0101ori. So it is so important, I believe, for us as a country, for P\u0101keh\u0101 to be able to hear at least just a tiny bit of what happened.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ESo for Ng\u0101ti Rangi, they signed Te Tiriti as an exercise of their mana and a partnership to which both sides committed themselves to the future. That was the basis to which they signed that important document. Yet the Crown did not act as a partner; the Crown acted as a coloniser, and that was not a one-off action on behalf of the Crown\u2014and indeed, you could say, by some of the limitations around this process, is not an action that has ended on behalf of the Crown. The Crown introduced a series of native land laws that provided for the individualisation of M\u0101ori landholdings that enabled them to be fragmented and for wh\u0101nau and hap\u016B to be set against each other.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EVery significantly for the people of the mountain\u2014one of the iwi within this country who do not whakapapa back to a waka but indeed to the mountain\u2014the Crown proclaimed the boundaries of Tongariro National Park without consulting with Ng\u0101ti Rangi. The land of these people that could not be separated from these people was taken without consultation. Wahi tapu of immense significance to Ng\u0101ti Rangi are located on this land that was taken. They were excluded from the administration of this park until the late 1980s. As has already been mentioned in this House, Ng\u0101ti Rangi, forward thinking, were looking to lease land to be able to have a regular income\u2014great financial planning that many people would advise towards\u2014but the Crown intervened and actually put themselves in that place of lease owners and sub-let. Just the cruelty and injustice of that, to me, is so symbolic of what has been done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EAll of these things add up to a profound impact of a displacement, a loss of economic base, and a wounding to the people as the land and the waters were ruined. That impact is not just happening to the separate land there; it happened to the people. I do notice in the settlement deed, and indeed through the process of discussion through the select committee, that we will be looking at the options for redress. To me, it speaks to that connection of the people to their awa and to their land, the number of redress provisions in here that are so specifically about reconnecting the people and the land.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThe Te Wai\u016B o Te Ika framework for the river has those four intrinsic values, recognising that the communities draw sustenance and inspiration from the water and that the communities are united in the best interests; that the waterway cannot be divided and that that is for the future prosperity of mokopuna; that h\u0101pu, iwi, and all communities benefit physically, spiritually, culturally, and economically where water and its inherent life-supporting capacity is valued and enhanced; and that uplifting the mana of Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika in turn uplifts the mana of the h\u0101pu and iwi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThese points, for me, are particularly significantly at the moment as we have, and move into, discussions around water and ownership and place. There is a spirit to the water that cannot be separated from the people, and I believe this settlement acknowledges that. Also, it establishes Te Pae Ao, a joint committee of two Ng\u0101ti Rangi and two Crown appointees, to be able to administer selective reserve sites as if it had been appointed as administering body under the Reserves Act, which provides a future model for shared oversight and protection of precious lands.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI, too, want to finish by offering the Green Party\u2019s thanks to Ng\u0101ti Rangi for their generosity of being able to bring us to this point, and hope that we have a better future as a result of this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022 data-id=\u0022e6a3835ceba04447a2193b81a5298a16\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e6a3835ceba04447a2193b81a5298a16\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E Te M\u0101ngai o te Whare e t\u016B ana au ki ng\u0101 karanga o ng\u0101 t\u016Bpuna, o ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata, o ng\u0101 mokopuna, o ng\u0101 uri o te iwi o Ng\u0101ti Rangi. E t\u016B ana te Pire o Ng\u0101ti Rangi claims settlement. Kei a koutou i t\u0113nei w\u0101 e ng\u0101 whanaunga o Ng\u0101ti Rangi, mihi atu, nau mai Ng\u0101ti Rangi i roto i te Whare.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E[Madam Deputy Speaker, I stand to speak at the bidding of the ancestors, the people, the little children, and the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. The Ng\u0101ti Rangi claims settlement is under way. It is now your turn, the relations of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. I acknowledge you, Ng\u0101ti Rangi. I welcome you to the House.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EToday is a day of reflection. It is a day to reflect on the journey of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, to reflect on the ebbs, the flows, the turbulence, the currents, the losses, the woes, the grief, the wrongs, the injustice, the mamae of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and our\u2014your\u2014history. It has been a 28-year journey of Treaty negotiations for Ng\u0101ti Rangi for us to be in the House today. For me to stand as uri of Ng\u0101ti Rangi is an immense privilege, and it is also one that I am immensely conflicted by, because the enormity of that responsibility struck me early this afternoon when you all entered into the Legislative Council Chamber. As we were there, I was reflecting on all of those who have gone before in this Whare, and all of ours who have also passed on. However, we know that they are here with us in spirit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EIt is a day of mixed and strong emotion, evoked by these reflections and memories of those gone before, but for those of us here today\u2014and looking at our young ones who have accompanied us\u2014it is about the pathway into the future. It is an enduring presence of the past that Ng\u0101ti Rangi has brought to this House today, those moments from the past to be taken into our future\u2014a lens adjusting now from that past, with a hope and vision, focused forward and fulfilling aspiration, potential, and purpose.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI acknowledge my colleague the Hon Christopher Finlayson, who, at the time of being the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, participated in this journey. I acknowledge the Hon Andrew Little, now Treaty negotiations Minister, who attended his first deed of settlement, and signed that at Raketapauma Marae.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI also acknowledge my colleagues of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. We will be earnestly deliberating at some length in terms of the contents of the bill, the details of the legislation, and the importance of the responsibility that we have in listening to further submissions at the hearings, and we will be addressed by Ng\u0101ti Rangi at a time when we come to visit you further and listen to k\u014Drero on what we have before us written in this bill. This bill is the bill of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi people with your claims settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI also acknowledge the negotiators: cousin Che, cousin Toni\u2014all whanaunga actually\u2014Carl Wilson, Kemp Dryden, Cassandra Reid, and, furthermore, the trustees on behalf of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. You will continue the responsibility that is beholden to you by your people but also that will be legislated in this bill. I look up at you, Keria, Soraya, Raana, Shar, Darnielle, and Brendon. With those responsibilities, you know that you carry along the way the support of your people, both present and those who have gone before.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThe first reading of a settlement bill traditionally is about the opportunity to recount and reflect upon the Crown\u2019s relationship with the claimant group\u2014tangata whenua, mana whenua. With this first reading of the bill, I reflect upon the Crown\u2019s apology and its cause and necessity. I reference that I stand here in this moment in a conflicted position today because I am addressing this House and the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi as an agent of the Crown. Little had I expected all those years ago\u2014back in the 1990s, attending the w\u0101nanga for the mau r\u0101kau with my babies at the time and my t\u0101ne hoa, and looking at you, Che, the young man that you were in those days; all of us were much younger\u2014that we would be in this House today, and also, in a matter of time, here for the third reading and conclusion, for the passage of all of those efforts over the generations to be legislated. I stand here conflicted because I am speaking as an agent of the Crown, but I am uri of Ng\u0101ti Rangi and Wanganui.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ESo I turn to the importance and significance of the apology that is entrenched, or will be entrenched, in this bill. In time, I will speak at greater length in detail on the different aspects and elements of the acknowledgments, but, importantly today I will speak on the apology. As the uri of Ng\u0101ti Rangi here today will well know, clause 10 of the bill states very clearly that \u201CThe Crown is sincerely remorseful that it has not treated Ng\u0101ti Rangi as the friend and ally you have always been \u2026 The Crown is deeply sorry that its acts and omissions have caused you\u201D\u2014I read from the bill\u2014\u201Cto lose tribal control over the sale and settlement of your land. The Crown sincerely apologises for its failure \u2026\u201D. It is profoundly remorseful that \u201Cit has not honoured Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s partnership \u2026 with the respect and integrity that [Ng\u0101ti Rangi has deserved]. The Crown humbly apologises. [It is] With this apology, and through this settlement, the Crown seeks to atone for those acts and omissions that have caused Ng\u0101ti Rangi harm,\u201D. However, I have talked about moving forward into the future; so that apology is about finally lifting your burden of grievance and to rebuild that relationship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EBefore concluding, I\u2019ve mentioned that there are significant parts within the acknowledgment, and I would like to take that opportunity at either the second or the third reading, because, in reading through, those acknowledgments detail for all of us the personal relevance and association that we have through each of the stories of our wh\u0101nau, through the confiscations, through the wrongdoings. One in particular that has struck a chord with me personally is the acknowledgment\u2014and this is at clause 9(3): \u201CThe Crown acknowledges that martial law was in effect in 1847 when a group of M\u0101ori youths were court-martialled and executed \u2026\u201D, and that strikes to the heart for many of us in terms of our whakapapa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ESo, in concluding, I stand here humbly to acknowledge to us all that mamae that we carry and that it is time for us to move forward into the future with hope and positivity. With a humble and hopeful heart, I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022 data-id=\u00223cc12a5e4d154da59772abe01e009bf1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223cc12a5e4d154da59772abe01e009bf1\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: I understand this is a split call. I call Jo Luxton.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022 data-id=\u00228b7bc1fdd1e44a86b0d673f7d20bdc9c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228b7bc1fdd1e44a86b0d673f7d20bdc9c\u0022\u003EJO LUXTON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou Ng\u0101ti Rangi. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tau katoa. It\u2019s my privilege to be able to stand and take a call on the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill in its first reading. I want to acknowledge the Hon Chris Finlayson and the Hon Andrew Little for the work that they have done in getting this settlement bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EOne of the key principles within the Treaty is partnership, and, as my colleague and the previous speaker, Harete Hipango, has said, today is a day of reflection, and I am reflecting on what partnership means. Partnership is about communication, it\u2019s about acting in good faith, and it is about trust. There are clear examples in history when the Crown did not communicate, did not act in good faith, and broke trust with Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Two examples of this are the land that was taken on Ruapehu, taken without consultation and certainly without compensation, and the precious waterways within the rohe that were diverted for a power scheme\u2014again, without consultation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EWhile a settlement by no means compensates Ng\u0101ti Rangi for all they have suffered, for all the hurt, and for all that they have lost, this bill, however, is an important part of the process of repairing and strengthening the relationship between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti Rangi going forward in the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EI am not going to take up any further time and hold this process up, because I know that this is an important process that we really need to get moving so that it can get to select committee and follow the process therein and end up at the third reading in the House in the near future. And I look forward to seeing that happen, and I absolutely commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022 data-id=\u0022dbf0bb8c9ca24e89abf850041df2576c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dbf0bb8c9ca24e89abf850041df2576c\u0022\u003EDAN BIDOIS (National\u2014Northcote):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koutou Ng\u0101ti Rangi. I\u2019d like to acknowledge everybody that has come down from Ng\u0101ti Rangi today to be here on this historic occasion for you all. I\u2019d also like to acknowledge all of the previous speakers\u2014in particular my fellow colleague Harete Hipango. I can see that it\u2019s been very emotional for you all just through my colleague here today, who, historically, is a very rational speaker but has really taken this on board, and it\u2019s a great pleasure for her to be in the House today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EI\u2019d certainly like to acknowledge the current Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, Andrew Little, and everybody who\u2019s helped to get this bill here today on this historic occasion. This bill is about certainly acknowledging the past and all of the omissions and acts that the Crown has taken or not taken prior to 1992. I won\u2019t recount them here; you\u2019ve heard them quite clearly today, and we will hear them more throughout the cycle of the bill. But it\u2019s also about focusing on the future. It\u2019s about, hopefully, the Crown never doing these acts or omissions again on the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. It\u2019s also about the shared hopes and aspirations that you have for your nearly 2,500 members.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EIt is, in part, a degree of compensation; although I must acknowledge that the level of compensation can never take away the acts or omissions that the Crown has done over the years. In focusing on the future, I hope that, certainly, National supports this bill; that we settle; and that the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi can focus on the future in terms of investing in their people, investing in their cultural heritage, investing in their land, and also building their capital.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EThis process is very clear. We\u2019re at the first reading of this historic bill, and, upon passing it, it will go to a select committee\u2014the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee\u2014where the specifics of this bill will be debated in more detail and submissions from the people and the public will be made. Then I look forward to coming back when it comes back to the House for the second reading and the third and final reading to certainly support this historic piece of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EI\u2019d also like to acknowledge the progress that we have made as a Parliament over the years on these Treaty settlements. About 85 deeds have been settled or signed by the Crown over the past few years, and, certainly, today this continues under the Labour-led coalition, but it also continued under the National-led coalition, under the Hon Chris Finlayson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003ESo with our previous Government, we had, certainly, passed 16 Treaty bills, and I look forward to passing more of these bills so that we can focus as a nation on the future, because I think that these bills are not only about acknowledging the past but I think, most importantly, they\u2019re about giving us the ability to let go and to focus on the future in terms of partnership, like my colleague Harete outlined. But it also allows us to focus on equal respect for one another, both the Crown and iwi, and, finally, the shared hopes and aspirations that all of us share for M\u0101ori in New Zealand. I am incredibly privileged to be giving my first speech on a Treaty settlement to the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and I support and commend this bill to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u00224661c4d741064b8391aac0deeb4f0a69\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224661c4d741064b8391aac0deeb4f0a69\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Assistant Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou Ng\u0101ti Rangi; t\u0113n\u0101 koutou \u014Dku rangatira. Nau mai, whakatau mai ki roto i Te Whare P\u0101remata e takat\u016B nei. Nau mai whakatau mai te whakatutuki i ng\u0101 wawata o r\u0101tou m\u0101. \u0100e, he r\u0101 nui t\u0113nei; n\u014D koutou t\u0113nei r\u0101. He h\u014Dnore nui t\u0113nei ki te whakat\u016B ki te mihi atu ki a koutou. N\u014D reira nau mai whakatau mai ki a koutou; e ng\u0101 rangatira huri rauna i t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[Greetings to you of Ng\u0101ti Rangi; greetings to my chiefs. Welcome to you and may you welcome me to Parliament House, which is being prepared. Welcome to you and may you welcome me and achieve the aspirations of those who have gone before. Yes, this is an important day; it is your day. This is a great honour to be stood up to acknowledge you all. Therefore, welcome to you and may you welcome me; to all of you chiefs around the room, greetings to each one of you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s an absolute privilege to be able to speak at the first reading of this Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill. I am indeed just humbled, actually, from listening to all of the contributions that have been made this afternoon. By the time you get down to speaker 10 it\u2019s pretty hard to come up with some fresh material\u2014ha, ha! But, no, it is truly humbling, and I want to acknowledge all of the colleagues from around the House who have been joining us to acknowledge Ng\u0101ti Rangi, who have travelled from afar to come here to Parliament today. I read on Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s website that they\u2019re up to third base in terms of their settlement, and so today marks the run to home base, I guess, and the run to home for the settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI certainly am delighted to be able to speak at this first reading and also to be able to guide this process through from third base to home with my fellow members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, who will be working together to further examine the bill. I guess we\u2019re looking forward to travelling up to \u014Ch\u0101kune to be able to hear from you all, so it\u2019s always significant. We consider a lot of different Treaty settlements from all over the motu. There are lots on the go at the moment, but we treat every Treaty settlement with the utmost focus in all of the mahi that we do. So we\u2019re looking forward to continuing on that work as soon as we complete this first reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge Ng\u0101ti Rangi here today\u2014in particular, I want to acknowledge the rangatira that signed Te Tiriti o Waitangi Way back in 1840. As we\u2019ve heard today, those great rangatira, who had foresight, who had great hope and aspirations for their people in signing the Treaty\u2014and, unfortunately, they were let down very badly by the Crown and, as we\u2019ve heard and has been recorded in the agreed historical account, I think it\u2019s very important that that is acknowledged and recorded in this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EAs we hear in so many Treaty settlements, it\u2019s about land loss, and with that the loss of mana, the loss of reo, the loss of identity, the loss of those connections to mahinga kai and to ancestral landscapes. Ng\u0101ti Rangi are no different. There are a lot of\u2014as I say\u2014taniwha that have been created through laws in this country that have inflicted great damage across the great tribes of our country. I don\u2019t need to go into them, but if we look at Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2014again: land loss, individualisation of land out of customary title, public works, Crown purchases, the creation of National Parks without reference to the hau k\u0101inga, the iwi of the land. All of those were inflicted and Ng\u0101ti Rangi have had to endure through all of that, right since the signing of the Treaty.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EOf course, there were very hard decisions that the chiefs of Ng\u0101ti Rangi had to make throughout that colonial past that we have as a country\u2014hard decisions in terms of trying to secure the future for their iwi: having to fight, and having to engage in warfare. So I just acknowledge all of that history and all of those great rangatira and leaders that have paved the way for Ng\u0101ti Rangi and right through to these leaders here today. So I acknowledge Che Wilson and all of the people involved with Ngati Rangi Trust who have brought us to this stage. In particular, we know that a claim was laid in the Waitangi Tribunal in about 1990, and there has been a flurry of activity, especially over the four or five years, to lead us to this point. So I do want to acknowledge all of that work and all of the support that Ng\u0101ti Rangi have given to the negotiators.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard a lot in this House this afternoon about connections and, indeed, I guess that\u2019s what\u2014especially as M\u0101ori, we like to make connections to people that we meet and to places. So I acknowledge all of the whanaunga connections that are here within the House today and the speeches that we\u2019ve heard from Harete Hipango, Joanne Hayes, my tuakana Adrian Rurawhe, and the Hon Minister Ron Mark and all of his great connections as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI don\u2019t believe I have a whakapapa connection to Ng\u0101ti Rangi. However, I\u2019ve been eying up that stone all afternoon. I know that was a gift, I believe, to the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, Andrew Little, and my eyes have been fixed on that stone. Then I heard the korero from my whanaunga Tutehounuku about Poutini and Waitaiki. We know the great story, how he whisked her away, down to Te Tai Poutini, down to the West Coast. So I know that there are connections there through the stone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI do want to acknowledge Che, who said the opening karakia which opened up our tupuna whare there in the Arahura. I know that with the stone from Te K\u0101hui Maunga all the way down to Te Tai Poutini we do acknowledge those connections that we have in Te Ao M\u0101ori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo it is, again, a delight to be able to speak in support of this bill. I do want to pay reference to Mr McKelvie especially. I thank him for his contribution. All I would say to Mr McKelvie is that we\u2019ve got two readings left, and I know he can get the pronunciation right. It\u2019s Ng\u0101ti Rangi. He\u2019s got the \u201Cng\u0101\u201D in the \u201CNg\u0101ti\u201D; he just needs to get the \u201CRan-gi\u201D out of the \u201CRaarngi\u201D. So hopefully he can take up that challenge and we can\u2014[interruption]\u2014Oh, Mr McKelvie.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d402dafa9df4f1282ca904027bd7781\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s right there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022457cc428dbcf4ebabb83104e4159bf78\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha, Mr McKelvie, yes. So two more readings left and Ng\u0101ti Rangi is such a beautiful name and\u2014well, there\u2019s also Ruapehu, Rangit\u012Bkei, Tangiwai, but for now, Mr McKelvie, I think \u201CNg\u0101ti Rangi\u201D would be a wonderful tribute to the iwi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EBut, that aside, I just want to once again acknowledge the iwi of Ng\u0101ti Rangi who are here to celebrate this special day, this very historic occasion. We are looking forward to embarking on our task as a committee. We look forward to further contributions that will be forthcoming in the latter readings of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EWith that, without further ado, \u0101piti hono t\u0101tai hono, r\u0101tou te hunga mate ki a r\u0101tou; \u0101piti hono t\u0101tai hono, ko t\u0101tou te hunga ora e tau nei ki a t\u0101tou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. [let the connections be drawn, and may the departed rest in peace together; let the connections be drawn and we the living remain with the living. I give greetings to one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EKia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022 data-id=\u0022fed4a0de26b64070ad0532a12387828e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fed4a0de26b64070ad0532a12387828e\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENNETT (National\u2014Hamilton East):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, e te iwi o Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Hopefully, that\u2019s close enough.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a0f7e00b15147b0953073a7f75bd4d7\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Shall I call the honourable member?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c1231d646ac248ae9032e131f863e199\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, thank you. Oh, I get a second go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba7d1b9cb9e04be0aaad082ff8dcbe64\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: I call the Hon David Bennett.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b8640f69e284616b00576d98ee3e40c\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, e te iwi o Te Ng\u0101ti Rangi. I probably come from a different side to this question here today. I have no iwi affiliation like my good colleague from the Rang\u012Btikei who spoke earlier. But I am a dairy farmer and so we love the land and the land means a lot to us as farmers, and so when I look at a settlement in this House I can only but a fraction understand your connection with the land, but to a certain extent I feel that bond as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EI also could understand and feel, to a limited extent, your loss. When you see young people up in the gallery watching, who have come to see this settlement today, I can only think of the mix of emotions that would be there: from anger, to pain, to retribution, to hope, and to desire for the future\u2014all those emotions that your leaders have harnessed to get to this stage here today and to come to a settlement, never forgetting the past but looking forward. Those emotions, I say to the young and the future leaders of Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2014don\u2019t lose them, but harness them to make this settlement something even stronger so you can deliver that future that I know is your ambition here today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EIt is possible. The world does change. This place has changed immensely in the time I\u2019ve been here and New Zealand will change a lot in the time of the next generations of iwi. There will be quite a different New Zealand in 50 years\u2019, 100 years\u2019 time. When we look at some of those landholdings that are there now, it is a very, very small percentage of what was lost, but I can guarantee you that in 100 years\u2019 time it will be a much different story and those landholdings will be much bigger and there will be another generation coming through that will understand the pain but also want to achieve a lot more for the iwi. It is difficult when you\u2019re not part of the iwi to understand completely, but, hopefully, we do have the ability to put right some of the wrongs that have been in the past and to at least try and harbour and build on the ambitions of the future, as we are all only people and we do make mistakes. But, in the end, time is a great winner and, in the end, things do come to their natural fruition, and success does come through time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003ESo, to the young ones: don\u2019t give up, be strong, and look at what has been achieved today. There is a lot more you will be entrusted to achieve to rebuild, but it can be done and can be done successfully. As someone that comes from Hamilton, in the heart of Tainui, we have seen how that can happen, and there\u2019s still a lot more to be done there as well, but there is that future ahead and it is a promising future that can only go forward, and so I would encourage you to keep that spirit alive.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EI\u2019d just like to also acknowledge the people that have taken a very valuable part in making this happen here in this House. I\u2019d like to acknowledge, first of all, Andrew Little, the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations. I have sat on committees with Andrew for a number of years and I\u2019ve found him to be a very genuine and hard-working and dedicated member of this Parliament. I know he will look back on his time as Treaty negotiations Minister with fondness and it will be something that I know he will take home as an element of pleasure after being in this Parliament\u2014to have been part of that process. So I thank you, Andrew. You are a good man and you do a good job in this area. There\u2019s another bill coming up later, which we won\u2019t be so conciliatory about with him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EI\u2019d also like to acknowledge Chris Finlayson, who from our side has been a very instrumental part in the negotiations as well and similarly feels the same way and has the same ambitions and dedication to making the settlements a reality.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EThere is a beautiful area that we\u2019re learning more about in the speeches here today that is the home and heart of the iwi. I was quite impressed with Ron Mark who, especially with his defence hat on, talked about how there would be that gifting back of that land so that New Zealand can benefit from it. That is a very genuine and heartfelt gift to this country. We look around this room\u2014the plaques that represent the fallen soldiers from all races that are New Zealanders. They do need a place where they can train. They do have a place there that is embedded in the heart of our forces and is part of the history of our country. So the action that you\u2019ve taken in supporting that is very much appreciated in the defence of New Zealand and the values that New Zealand aspires to. So I can see that you are going to be achieving a wider good not only for your iwi but a wider good for New Zealand. That\u2019s something I think you can treasure as well, and thank you for that gift.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EWe also heard heartfelt stories in the history and, Harete, thank you for sharing that with us in an emotional way. It gives us some understanding, too, of some that history that we may not have personally experienced, but, as somebody linked to that community, you have experienced it, so it gives us a personal understanding of what has happened and we thank you for sharing that with us in the way that you did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EIn this Parliament we all go home to our different tribal affiliations and in our parties, but there is one thing that we always do take great pride in and that is at the end of a settlement when there is an agreement amongst all the parties and there is a sense that we have actually achieved something of a positive purpose that day. Everybody leaves this room with a sense of pride and comfort that they have achieved what they set out to when they came to Parliament, which is actually to do good for their community. As we say, it may only be a small way, but it is something, I can guarantee you, that every member of this House will take great pride in\u2014being able to, hopefully, be part of your journey to help you on that next stage. We encourage all that are involved to take this opportunity, to work with the ongoing process of renewal and building that future, and we wish you all the very best in that endeavour. We know it\u2019s going to take time, but we know that the spirit, the strength, and the courage of your people will make it happen. So we wish you all the best. You have the apology of this Parliament and the New Zealand people, but you also have the blessing for the future endeavours that I know you will take. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u00220c99f86d571f436d9fb1200706e0451b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220c99f86d571f436d9fb1200706e0451b\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI (Minister of Customs):\u003C/span\u003E Mr Speaker, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. He uri ahau o Te Tair\u0101whiti. N\u014D reira ka huri ki te mihi whakatau ki ng\u0101 hap\u016B maha o Ng\u0101ti Rangi. N\u014D reira e te iwi, nau mai haramai, nau mai haramai, nau mai haramai i runga i te kaupapa whakahirahira te p\u0101nui tuatahi o koutou pire. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou \u014Dku rau rangatira, kui m\u0101, koro m\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. I descend from Te Tair\u0101whiti. I therefore turn to add my words of welcome to the many subtribes of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. To you all, welcome, thrice welcome to this important occasion, which is the first reading of your bill. Therefore, distinguished leaders, esteemed elders; greetings, greetings to one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIt is indeed an honour to stand and rise from a region that is first to see the light, the Tai R\u0101whiti, to celebrate this important first reading of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill. We\u2019ve had some amazing speakers who\u2019ve got up and honoured these fine folk, and I just wanted to add my warm congratulations to the beginning of the last part of the puzzle, which is the legislative part. On behalf of the people I represent from the Tai R\u0101whiti, I bring you warm greetings in acknowledging the hard mahi that has gone on to get to this place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EWe talk about connections\u2014I want to talk about a fulla that\u2019s sitting up there, by the name of Che Wilson. Che and I worked together many, many years ago, so I want to lay claim to some of the attributes\u2014the good parts; the rest, well, someone else can lay claim to that. But I do want to acknowledge Che and all the negotiators for all the hard mahi that you have done in bringing this bill to the House. Of course, we only get the easy part. We don\u2019t get to see the raru and hardship of the hui at home, to get our people to understand that this is the best deal we\u2019re going to get so we can move on. We don\u2019t see that. We spend two hours of that reading acknowledging the efforts that we know\u2014I know I can\u2019t do justice to the amount of struggle and strife and all the angst that has gone into this bill, but I do want to say I am indeed pleased and privileged to join in the voices of everyone in this House in acknowledging this first reading of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIt might be of some use to my colleagues in this House just to touch on the Treaty process, because my colleague Adrian Rurawhe did speak about how difficult and challenging Treaty processes are. Adrian and, of course, our other colleague Minister Nanaia Mahuta\u2014we\u2019ve all been former Treaty negotiators for our iwi. So we come from that perspective around the struggles of the process that Adrian Rurawhe talked about. First and foremost, you\u2019ve got to have claims. And before you have claims, I want to acknowledge the great t\u014Dtara from the north, the Hon Matiu Rata, who in 1975 established the Waitangi Tribunal, which gave fit to us to raise our concerns in that tribunal. So I want to acknowledge Matiu, but I say we\u2019ve got to, first and foremost, put claims down. So to all those wh\u0101nau members that have put claims in the Ng\u0101ti Rangi settlement bill, I want to acknowledge you. Some of them, unfortunately, may not be with us, but their kaupapa and their strength to get a decent hearing over that struggle is really important to acknowledge.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThen you have deed of mandate. Some would say that\u2019s the hardest process, because it\u2019s about convincing your own that you\u2019re going to speak on their behalf with the Crown. So that\u2019s the deed of mandate, and, of course, we see that playing out in the Far North\u2014I\u2019m looking around for my colleagues from the Far North. The deed of mandate is really critical. Just to say kia kaha\u2014sorry, that was a \u201Ckia kaha\u201D moment to our Ng\u0101puhi wh\u0101nau up north. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EOnce we\u2019ve got our deed of mandate sorted, then we go into negotiations. And, of course, the Crown will offer and we counteroffer, and it goes back and forth. That\u2019s the process of negotiation. Then we sign an agreement in principle. The agreement in principle generally says this is where we got to\u2014Crown and iwi. Then we make some ultimate changes around the edges, and then we sign the deed of settlement. So this is what\u2019s happened on this occasion. Of course, once the deed of settlement is signed, the legislative process kicks in, where we\u2019re having the first reading, select committee, second reading, third reading, done and dusted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EBut, for me coming into Parliament, it was always about beyond Treaty settlements. It is around saying to the Crown, \u201CWhat ongoing relationship should we have with iwi M\u0101ori?\u201D It\u2019s a valid question to ask, and I\u2019m pleased that the coalition Government recognises that we have an ongoing commitment, if iwi choose\u2014and the offer is only if iwi choose; they can choose to opt in, opt out. That\u2019s why under the Jacinda-led Government we have the new Crown/M\u0101ori relations\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb9ed17bfb844889a9ae124cb04fb737\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The Prime Minister, or Jacinda Ardern maybe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e27f46fee9a141ddbda0e079fa8690dc\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has, in her wisdom, created the Crown/M\u0101ori relations portfolio, which is to address how we maintain our relationships going forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EBut, back to the bill, the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill has four parts. I don\u2019t profess to go through them. They will definitely get scrutinised through the select committee. But, of course, as I went through the bill I was distinctly looking for any particular mechanisms that will fall into my lap as the Associate Minister of Local Government, responsible for post - Treaty settlement tools. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EAs I said, I look forward to the report back from the select committee because, as we well know, once iwi settle there are these ongoing challenges, and, when it comes to consenting and land use and getting access to water, a lot of that actually sits in the domain of local government, not central government. It is really important that the councils in which Ng\u0101ti Rangi resides actually take the challenge to start engaging with the iwi early on. I applaud and plead to the councils to do that actively, because the benefits, as the iwi go forward, are not just going to be to their members only. Treaty settlements are a way in which we can unlock economic potential in regions that have often been neglected; the step change or the catalyst for change is actually iwi Treaty settlements. It\u2019s important, I believe, that if we are going to maximise the value of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill and what will flow on, that we are actively working\u2014councils\u2014with iwi, with industry, because we have land and we have people. But we need the tools to unlock that economic potential and social potential that I mentioned earlier.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI want to also acknowledge the essential issue that is burning around Treaty settlements as we speak now, and that\u2019s one around overlapping claims. I\u2019m pleased to hear that Ng\u0101ti Rangi has not got an issue around overlapping claims, but I know in other Treaty settlements it\u2019s a big issue. I want to acknowledge the tikanga process that we\u2019ve heard in recent times as a mechanism to break the deadlock between conflicting boundaries. It just made me think. It made me think: what do you think would happen to the Treaty settlement process if we started with a tikanga process? It\u2019s a question I pose seriously. What would happen to the Treaty settlement process as we know it if we start with a tikanga process?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EFor one, the Crown and iwi would save a heck of a lot of money on lawyer fees, but it would just mean that, away from the scrutiny of public eyes, which we\u2019ve seen around this place in recent days, two people who have a shared interest in the same area sit down and hui and talk to one another, with nobody else in the room. What would happen to the Treaty process if we adopted that? It\u2019s just something to think about, knowing that many of these claims are settled but there are still overlapping issues on claims that are yet to make their way to this House. All I\u2019m saying is that the use of tikanga processes, as I understand it, of getting people in a room to hui, to talk about their issues, whether it\u2019s on whakapapa or other connections, I believe has merit\u2014has merit. We should look at using tikanga processes, I believe, more at the front end of Treaty settlement processes rather than as a last resort when we can\u2019t agree.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI do, again, want to acknowledge the strength and sacrifice of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. I want to acknowledge all their negotiators, all the officials that also worked on behalf of the Crown to get to this point. I too want to acknowledge the leadership of the Hon Andrew Little and the former Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, Chris Finlayson, for their work in ushering this bill to this stage. But today is Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s day. I want to acknowledge and stand, again, and salute them. Thank you for your contribution to this nation. Thank you for the sacrifice and for your patience. I look forward to the bill coming back so we can celebrate with you in the third and final reading. N\u014D reira, e te rangatira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EBill read a first time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EBill referred to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f5e1b9729f9f46c9839bd28e33f1d2ae\u0022\u003EElectoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002216657e002a814e2cb853fae4091db54f\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000349\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 8 August.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f4b38ec7e3e24b42b6f532be8238c610\u0022\u003EClause 4  Section 55 amended (How vacancies created) (continued)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022 data-id=\u0022f4766bbd5a574b7c9d23c3a3df25d5fe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f4766bbd5a574b7c9d23c3a3df25d5fe\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, when we were last considering the bill, we were debating the question that clause 4 stand part. However, before I give the call, I wish to advise the committee that I have now received several tabled amendments to this clause. First, I will advise the committee of an amendment that is out of order. The Hon Dr Nick Smith\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause 4 is ruled out of order as a direct negation of the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003EThe Hon Gerry Brownlee was speaking, and he has four minutes and seven seconds remaining should he wish.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u002253990ec269ce4c79a9d3bf65a480b998\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002253990ec269ce4c79a9d3bf65a480b998\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E In the spirit of the Treaty settlement that this House has proudly just acknowledged, I want to acknowledge an area where myself and the Minister in the chair, Andrew Little, are in total agreement, and that is that the evolution of political parties is actually a really important part of the democratic process. The way in which the Labour Party evolved in the 19th Parliament and the National Party evolved in the 1930s was actually, in my view, good for New Zealand, and both those major parties have made significant contributions to the good governance of this country. The reason the evolution of those political parties is so important is because, actually, parties do not exist for their purpose in themselves but actually to serve the democratic will of countries, and as issues change, as values change, this institution and the parties that work within it also need to change.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EBut here\u2019s the bit where we strongly disagree, and the Minister in the chair, in respect of the new resignation section that we are debating\u2014new section 55FA says that if a member ceases to be a member of the political party in which they were elected, then they cease to be a member of Parliament. The Minister\u2019s argument that he\u2019s put to the House is, well, actually, what we could do is have that provision on the law books but the leaders will not initiate the procedure that we\u2019re going to debate further down the track. So we\u2019re going to have this sort of legal anomaly, and that is where the Minister hasn\u2019t triggered the mechanism, even though the law says that that member should cease to be a member of Parliament. I think that\u2019s a really dodgy way for us to legislate. That view is not just mine; that view was actually expressed by a number of significant submitters at the Justice Committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EHere\u2019s the other flaw in the Minister\u2019s speech: that can only occur\u2014that evolution and that change of political parties\u2014if it has the consent of the leader. So I want to challenge the Minister in the chair, with respect\u2014and this issue is absolutely politically critical to the evolution of the Green Party. I put the practical question to the Minister in the chair: when Jeanette Fitzsimons and Rod Donald left The Alliance to form the Greens, would Jim Anderton have given his consent? Well, not on your nelly! I have to tell you, the fury that we experienced in the House at that time was enormous. The reality of this provision\u2014so ironically, given the Green Party\u2019s support for this provision\u2014is there is absolutely no legal question that the formation of the Green Party would have been a stillbirth if this provision was the law at that time. The Green Party would never have been able to get started, and that is very significant, and that is a real anomaly that members of the Green Party need to address. Why are they voting for a bill that would prohibit the establishment of their very political party that they are so proud to have had in this Parliament for the last six terms?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EThe Minister did not mention the second point that I raised in my first contribution, and I\u2019m going to raise it again and challenge him to address it. I assert that in pretty much the whole world this clause would be unconstitutional and illegal. I know that\u2019s the case in Germany\u2014the first country that had MMP. It\u2019s very explicit in their constitution. I know from the decisions of the European Court of Human Rights that they have ruled it out. I\u2019ve been advised that in the United States, in Australia\u2014and I remind the member who wanted to interject that in Australia they don\u2019t have MMP that, actually, in the Senate, their members are elected off a party list. So I ask the Minister this question: would the democracy of Australia allow this clause that he\u2019s proposing? My advice is no. Does he have contrary advice? Absolutely. I was talking to a representative in both the French and the American\u2014and I\u2019ll tell you why they are significant: many of our liberal democratic values were established with the French Revolution and the American Revolution. In both those countries, they would almost have a riot and a revolution if a Government proposed what is proposed in this clause. So I challenge the Minister to address that issue of constitutionality, because it is certainly my view and the advice that we received at the select committee that the very provision in this bill would be unlawful in any of the countries with which we would want to be associated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EThen the further point I want to raise about this provision is around its compliance with the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act. Let me just outline what\u2019s occurred around this specific clause and its compliance with the New Zealand Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights in New Zealand\u2014put in place, actually, by Sir Geoffrey Palmer\u2014contains a very important provision: freedom of association. By saying that you can only be a member of one political party to retain your seat within the Parliament is acknowledged, by all of the advice, as a contravention of the New Zealand Bill of Rights. So the process that\u2019s gone on around the New Zealand Bill of Rights with this provision is significant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003ENow, what the Attorney-General has advised the House is that this provision will have a chilling effect on free speech\u2014or the \u201Cexpression of dissenting views\u201D are his exact words\u2014in his opinion. But here\u2019s the part that should really make fellow parliamentarians nervous: when there is a New Zealand Bill of Rights assessment, the justice officials produce a report. Every single bill that comes before the Parliament is required, under our New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, to have that New Zealand Bill of Rights assessment. The only bill, in all the years since that has passed, which the Government has refused to release the justice ministry\u2019s advice on is this one. Now, doesn\u2019t that raise suspicions? Why would it be?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll tell you why. The only reasonable conclusion that we can draw is that this part breaches the New Zealand Bill of Rights. Why do I assert that? I\u2019ll tell you why. The select committee heard from 21 constitutional experts from the University of Auckland, from Victoria University of Wellington, from the University of Otago, and from the University of Canterbury. Every single one of them said that this provision breaches the New Zealand Bill of Rights. When I challenged the Minister and said, \u201CWell, OK, I\u2019ve got 21 experts that say it does; tell me who says it does not breach the New Zealand Bill of Rights\u2014tell me anybody.\u201D, he admitted he could name nobody except David Parker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003ENow, that\u2019s interesting, because here\u2019s the point: is David Parker neutral in this? The honest truth is that David Parker depends on this bill for his job, because David Parker is not a neutral legal opinion on this provision. He, the Minister in the chair, and the Speaker are actually dependent on this bill for their jobs, because it was at the foundation of the formation of the coalition of this Government. So I say again: this provision breaches the freedom of speech and freedom of association provisions of our New Zealand Bill of Rights, and that should give the willies to every member of Parliament in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EThe final point I wish to make is this: there are two very important international conventions. Those are the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. In the departmental disclosure statement, it says that these provisions breach those two conventions. And here\u2019s my challenge for the Green Party: how can you possibly tour to the far corners of the world\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bbed319b7acd478ca82e1cd5035c92c4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Don\u2019t bring me in, thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002254605bf3ad2f4fa58796c668870a03de\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Indeed. How can the Green Party go to the far corners of the world\u2014they go to Palestine, they go to Africa, they go to South America, they go to Asia\u2014lecturing on those two important conventions on human rights and democracy, and when the issue comes up in this Parliament, what do they have to say? Absolutely zip\u2014absolutely nothing. I say that that is a sell out. I say to the Green Party, you cannot credibly go to any other place in the world advancing the cause of the UN human rights conventions if you do not have the courage of your convictions to stand up in this Chamber and defend those rights.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022 data-id=\u002265898b55d5774b2d8817589a22773f53\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002265898b55d5774b2d8817589a22773f53\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL (National\u2014Rodney):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I\u2019d like to use an actual example, and I notice that we\u2019re lucky enough to have in the Chamber this evening our Minister of Defence, the Hon Ron Mark, who is also a past deputy leader of the New Zealand First Party and a man that I\u2019m sure is not afraid to get to his feet and actually take a call on this. But I\u2019m really addressing my remarks\u2014I\u2019m going to ask Minister Andrew Little to stand and give me an answer to the real example in our last Parliament that I\u2019m going to give. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s an example of when I was a member of the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee. We had a petition brought to the committee that was extremely serious, and it related to the repatriation of our veterans, of our service people, in Malaysia. This is something that previous Governments\u2014both National, Labour, and Labour and New Zealand First Governments\u2014had failed to act on. The committee made sure that we allowed the families to come and make submissions. I actually travelled around the country and met with families and listened to their stories, and by the end of that, as the chair of the committee, I felt very strongly that, actually, we had to make a change. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EThere had to be a change in policy, and we should have been repatriating our defence personnel, particularly those in Malaysia\u2014particularly those buried in a gravesite where we couldn\u2019t guarantee that that gravesite at some time in the future, whether it be 50 years or 100 years, might not be disturbed. I thought it was important to bring them home, but that was in direct contravention to my own party\u2019s policy on it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EThe policy and the Minister of Veterans\u2019 Affairs at the time, the Hon Craig Foss\u2014who was very good\u2014was very clear, and I was told very clearly that \u201CThat is not Government policy. That will not be happening.\u201D So I was put in a quandary, because of my own integrity\u2014my own feelings on the matter\u2014and that of the committee, so we had cross-party agreement on this. The Labour members of the committee, the National members of the committee, the sole New Zealand First member of the committee, and, I want to acknowledge, Dr Kennedy Graham, the Greens\u2019 member of the committee\u2014we all agreed that the right thing to do was to have a change of policy. Yep, it was going to be tough. Yep, we were going to have to try and work it out. But it was time to bring our veterans home. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003ESo we wrote a report. The report took a position against the Government, which put me in a fairly precarious position because I was the chair of the committee and I was a National MP and I was taking a position against my own Minister. Believe me, I was called up to the Minister\u2019s office. We had a discussion around it, and, actually, at the end of the day, the National Government decided, \u201CDo you know what? Although we\u2019ve got some conflicting advice on this and although it is going to be difficult, it is actually the right thing to do and we are going to do it.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003ENow, my question is this: while we\u2019ve got the Minister of Defence in the House, it is for him\u2014or the Minister of Justice himself\u2014to stand and take a call and tell me whether or not this bill is going to have a chilling effect on how members of Parliament are able to come to decisions like the one that was taken by the select committee. I can tell you now that although I\u2019m very proud to be a member of a party that does not support this, would never support it, and will never implement it, the fact of the matter is that if this bill had been passed, then I\u2019d be reflecting a lot more on the decisions that I was making, because I\u2019d be put at risk of actually being expelled from this Parliament and not being able to carry\u2014well, the Minister has a quizzical look on his face. Do you not understand the bill? Do you not understand, Mr Mark, what this bill is trying to do? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EThis bill has put in place\u2014your leader has got\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002210efdb9a00774a9e8494186fbf46f875\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277f9ef4c18954e7c8c635bf83cf554c2\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, Madam Chair. The Rt Hon Winston Peters\u2014you are handing all the power to him\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022067032c1368e4aac903c6648451e0711\u0022\u003EHon Ruth Dyson\u003C/span\u003E: Stop saying \u201Cyou\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3f84186e56d49059cf1b2297874ad4b\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014to decide to\u2014sorry, what was that? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022893b29730fb847ceb30e69f3aa43742f\u0022\u003EHon Ruth Dyson\u003C/span\u003E: Stop saying \u201Cyou\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295214fa0a385490eb67498a99ee094e8\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Excuse me, Madam Chair. Are you the person in the Chair, or is it the Hon Ruth Dyson, because she seems to think that she\u2019s able to take on your role. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EBut the reality of this\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c7a766f480f41469665639588954de1\u0022\u003EHon Ruth Dyson\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m helping you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c0d4f1e76e24418a409217e89dfa925\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: She does have a point. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd832934f3f34f6c85155c775d694764\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah. I just don\u2019t think you need the assistance, that\u2019s all, Madam Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9e94a155817456381dbcbc94ae18a77\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: No, I certainly don\u2019t. However, I would like the member to acknowledge that you are bringing me into the debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8323c1fb75d444a946cf6f258c2e146\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely\u2014I acknowledge that, Madam Chair. So take a call, Mr Mark\u2014[Time expired]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u00225f76565d4cec4fa587443370d4a80efb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225f76565d4cec4fa587443370d4a80efb\u0022\u003EHon JACQUI DEAN (National\u2014Waitaki):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. It\u2019s always good in a difficult debate such as this to go back to the fundamentals and to the departmental disclosure statement to just really revisit, perhaps, the general policy statement and the measures that Cabinet and this Government went through in bringing forward this piece of work. My colleague Nick Smith has talked\u2014oh, I\u2019m sure he hasn\u2019t finished, because he\u2019ll have some other points to make around the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act and the advice around that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EBut I want to start with the general policy statement. It is part one of this paper. I want to unpick what proportionality of political party representation really means, because in questions in the House, the Minister of Justice\u2019s stock answer to any question around this bill, this waka-jumping bill, has been: \u201CIt preserves the proportionality of political party representation in Parliament as determined by electors.\u201D That\u2019s it\u2014that\u2019s the answer. That\u2019s the only defence. That\u2019s the only reason. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003ESo what does he mean by \u201Cproportionality\u201D? Well, we know\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f745756e058640d5a431119392d0484a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: I apologise to the member\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296411a48663f4bca844f633c77fe3af5\u0022\u003EHon JACQUI DEAN\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014what is meant by proportionality. It means that a number of people\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298dc3cac9dcb4e408ff8bff5200c2b26\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! I just apologise to the member taking the call. Are you speaking to clause 4\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c735e980fd04bf2bf1cfdbb5bdfc34d\u0022\u003EHon JACQUI DEAN\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268cb62aba10245789c0b89e910c730b8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014which is directly about political party membership? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226dfa87f3e2194bc6a0e46afdea4eadf0\u0022\u003EHon JACQUI DEAN\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I am. Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, indeed I am speaking to clause 4. Maybe I was perhaps traversing a meandering path to get there, but indeed I am speaking to clause 4: how a member ceases to be a parliamentary member of a political party for which she was elected. Perhaps I was being a little too obtuse, so I will track back from that to the proportionality aspect of that clause to say that proportionality is indeed determined by the electors. That is how the likes of me, as a constituency MP, and others who are list MPs, get to be in this House. We understand that very clearly about proportionality. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EWhat I don\u2019t understand is how the ability for the leader of a party, in collusion with his or her caucus, can remove a member of Parliament in the name of proportionality, because that is clearly a sham. It is a weak excuse for giving the power\u2014to get rid of an outspoken MP from that leader\u2019s caucus. And that\u2019s all it is. So this argument about proportionality is nothing more than a smokescreen in order for a leader and a proportion of the caucus to get rid of a member of Parliament who has indicated\u2014or maybe the leader even thinks that that member may be proposing to leave the party. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EHow that happens is very, very unclear. So is the member who is dissenting\u2014how does the leader know that that member is planning to leave the party? Is it a Chinese whisper situation? Does that not put all of us in peril, except for those of us in the National Party? But does that put us or members of New Zealand First, New Zealand Labour, and the Green Party\u2014does that not put all those members in peril of impure thoughts? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003ESo is that what it\u2019s going to come down to? Is it going to come down to a thought in the mind of a list or an elected MP which is not totally aligned with the leader of those parties, and therefore the leader can surmise or guess that that member is about to leave the caucus and so pre-empts him by going to the Speaker and saying that this member is going to distort the proportionality of Parliament? What a sham\u2014what a sham. How can the Minister of Justice stand in this House day after day and advance that argument, because the simplest of unpicking absolutely undoes it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u0022a543319138d648e78ea43533980bdd13\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a543319138d648e78ea43533980bdd13\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I just take this opportunity to respond as briefly as I can to some of the more recent contributions. To the member who has just resumed her seat, the Hon Jacqui Dean, I\u2019m sorry to have to be in the positon of having to assist her to understand the meaning of the bill, but it\u2019s a common theme that she has raised, and indeed that the Hon Mark Mitchell has raised, and it goes to a fundamental misunderstanding of the full text of the substance of this bill. So it\u2019s not just about distortion, it\u2019s not just about proportionality, but it is about\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a78db16909c7498892f7107a8c7010f1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I\u2019ve just come to the Chair and listened for the last minute of the Hon Jacqui Dean\u2019s contribution. Can I remind members of the committee that we\u2019re dealing with clause 4, which is amending section 55 of the principal Act\u2014the Electoral Act\u2014on how vacancies are created. It adds one paragraph, and members need to restrict their contribution to that. So my ruling is actually that in the last contribution the part that I heard was not in line with this clause, and now the Minister is answering those, which is also not in line with this clause. So, if there are new contributions on clause 4, I would like to hear them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236370d3cff94481d828d526b24eb051c\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chairman, and I totally accept that point. I was about to get to the point of representation, which is, of course, the converse of a vacancy having been created. That\u2019s what it relates to. Look, I\u2019ll amplify the point a little more fully in the days that we will take up on debating this bill, except to say that there are a range of words that have to be considered together, the last of which is \u201Crepresentation\u201D. That\u2019s what happens in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIn relation to the Hon Mark Mitchell, the issue that he raised, with the example that he gave, of course would not apply, because the question of representation in the House\u2014the converse of a vacancy in the House\u2014did not arise in that situation. The situation would not trigger or engage this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI turn to the contribution by the Hon Nick Smith. With all due respect to the honourable member, who speaks eloquently, again he spoke about all words in the proposed new paragraph 55(1)(fa) in clause 4, apart from the very first word, which happens to be the word \u201Cif\u201D\u2014\u201Cif\u201D. And it might sound silly, and there will be viewers watching the television right now, perhaps listening on the radio, and they could say, \u201CHow could it possibly be that the word \u2018if\u2019 could be so fundamental?\u201D But it is fundamental, because it then connotes that this is conditional, that these things are dependent on other things having happened, that the vacancy being created relates to things happening under other provisions of the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIt is not good enough for members to sort of be selective about which parts of the provision that we\u2019re debating, but, actually, you\u2019ve got to talk about the whole lot. So this provision applies if under subsequent sections a vacancy arises. But it is the \u201Cif\u201D that is important. It is the \u201Cif\u201D that is important. So, when we\u2019re debating it, let\u2019s debate all words, not just the bits that we wish to sort of touch on for the sake of convenience. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI say this to the member, because he\u2019s made a good point about political realignment, and he said one thing that I think we do agree on, and that is that political realignments happen. That is the history of this Parliament. It is the history of every political jurisdiction, which is that from time to time political realignments happen, new parties emerge, new forces emerge, and none of that will change, and here\u2019s why. Because, just as members will make political judgments about what they do to sustain their own principles and to sustain the principles of their party, parties, caucuses, and their leaders and the rest of the party organisation will all make judgments, and there will be times when an individual party member will vote against their party and the party leadership of the day and the caucus will make a judgment: \u201CYou know what? That\u2019s actually OK. There\u2019s nothing wrong here.\u201D Just as Damien O\u2019Connor did only a few years ago when he voted against his own party and his own party whip to support a piece of legislation that the Government of the day, the National Party, had been promoting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe honourable member talked about constitutionality. I just make this point. Every country is sovereign to itself. They make their own rules, and we make our own rules. Of course, the problem is, I would suggest to the honourable member, we don\u2019t have a written constitution. So we are able to make our laws, and the claimed benefit of an unwritten constitution is that there is some fluidity to it. Personally, I\u2019m in favour of a written constitution, but that would be subject to the very challenge that that member is making\u2014that a written constitution constrains members of Parliament. But you can\u2019t have it both ways. He kind of wants constraints to stop this sort of thing happening and us making our rules, but he doesn\u2019t want constraints because that\u2019s the beauty of the unwritten constitution. At some point, the National Party is going to have to reconcile its irreconcilable views.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022 data-id=\u0022495ec45763414775a0a5ea4f0ca33da3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022495ec45763414775a0a5ea4f0ca33da3\u0022\u003EHon TIM MACINDOE (National\u2014Hamilton West):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. Listening to the Minister\u2014actually, I have to say I am deeply indebted to you, Mr Chair, because I was in here for four hours before lunch. I sought the call more than 25 times and I didn\u2019t get it once, so I am indebted. But let me take advantage of the opportunity I\u2019ve got now. I\u2019ve just been listening to the Minister, frankly, tying himself up in knots on this particular clause. And you were quite right, Mr Chair. We are looking at an amendment to section 55 of the principal Act. The reasons why a member of Parliament at the moment might leave this place are pretty significant. One would, very sadly, be the death of the member. Another would be the member voluntarily making a choice to resign, and we see that quite often for very good reasons that we understand. We\u2019ve been to many valedictories over the years for that sort of purpose. Obviously, chronic ill-health might force somebody to have to resign, but they can also be some really serious things such as the member being convicted of a corrupt practice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003ENow, I mention those provisions of the principal Act because here we are being asked to consider an amendment which is, essentially, that a member may also be dismissed because he or she fell out with the leader. Now, I think it is outrageous to put that out on the same level as the other very sound reasons that are in the principal Act. I see the Minister in the chair shaking his head, as he has done frequently, and yet I make the point that the Hon Dr Nick Smith made before. The Minister sits there and continues to say that he is right and every other commentator on this bill is wrong. And now he\u2019s nodding. He is acknowledging that he is apparently the only one who is right. All of these highly respected academic experts, some of the great commentators who have looked in detail at this bill and who are very well placed to advise this committee, are all saying the Minister is wrong, and yet he continues to sit there and argue \u201CNo, I\u2019m the only one who\u2019s right.\u201D I have to say that I think it was Dr Smith who said earlier, maybe another speaker, that he had a degree of sympathy for Mr Little because Mr Little is actually having to push this bill through; he probably doesn\u2019t firmly believe in it. In fact, it would be interesting to ask the Minister now: does the Minister genuinely believe in this bill? He\u2019s laughing now. Does the Minister genuinely believe that amending section 55 of the principal Act with clause 4 is the right, principled thing to do? I add my sympathy to the previous speaker who felt very sorry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EI wonder if I could ask the Minister the next time he takes a call: did he agree with the late Jim Anderton when he claimed \u201CI didn\u2019t leave the Labour Party; the Labour Party left me.\u201D? Because that relates directly to the clause we are being asked to consider here. If a member of Parliament says \u201CI\u2019m sticking to the principles that I was elected upon, I\u2019m sticking to the principles that the party I\u2019m a member of took to the last election.\u201D\u2014in the case of the Labour Party, which held for about 80 years before that when Jim Anderton was resigning\u2014if the member is genuinely of the belief that he or she is sticking to the principles of the party but the party is the one that has moved well away, how on earth could we expect clause 4 to be allowed? What a travesty it would be to allow clause 4 to apply to that person.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003ENow, in the last Parliament the member Richard Prosser was becoming increasingly disillusioned as a member of New Zealand First, and he of course paid a price in that he was bumped down the list. Now, whatever you might think of that, at least that was a list that was taken to an election, but if Richard Prosser\u2014because he was speaking out against New Zealand First on a number of occasions, and he\u2019s certainly speaking out about them regularly now\u2014had been in a position where he was told \u201CRight, you have to go.\u201D, surely he would have been entitled say \u201CBut I work incredibly hard. I believed in what New Zealand First took to the electorate, I and the activists who worked\u201D\u2014I think he was based down in Christchurch\u2014\u201Cwith me to get me elected in Christchurch as a list member were doing our level best to comply with and to abide by the principles of our party, and here we are in a position where the party has moved away and now I\u2019m being told \u2018You are inconvenient, we don\u2019t like what you\u2019re saying, you will have to go.\u2019 \u201D I think that is outrageous that section 55 of the Act should be amended in that way, and I really ask all members opposite to explain how they think they can justify it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u00227f82fb2f8386410f994f8b74537a7dfb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227f82fb2f8386410f994f8b74537a7dfb\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I have decided, listening to some of the commentary and listening to the Hon Mark Mitchell, that I would take a minute\u2014[Members applaud]. They might not be applauding in a moment, Mr Chairman. I have to say I agree with Minister Little, who said that the example that the Hon Mark Mitchell gave was not applicable. It\u2019s not applicable for a very simple reason. It\u2019s not applicable because there\u2019s never been an occasion when I have disagreed with my party\u2019s defence policy or its veterans\u2019 affairs policy. But it does raise an interesting question, and that is for Mr Mitchell himself to answer, as to how far he would have gone. How far would he have gone if he had not gotten his party to change them? I didn\u2019t have a problem, because my party always had that stance. It was Mr Mitchell\u2019s party that flip-flopped around like a little leaf in the breeze. The question is actually for Mr Mitchell, and, on the back of the rumours and speculation and his own admissions publicly recently: does he raise this point at this point in time, Minister Little, to actually lay the ground for what he is intending to do and maybe give some justification as to what his own intentions are, and to send the message to his own party? Maybe that\u2019s why the former Minister has raised that point.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022493fcd3d15ab49a48c469236521dac21\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I know that the speaker is deeply disappointed at no longer being a deputy leader of a party, but trying to suggest that I am going to start a party and then he apply for the deputy leadership is ridiculousness.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022937d492b984e428e918006f7e3b05f49\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: That is a debating point. It is not a point of order. And, while I am on my feet, the encouragement I gave earlier about talking to the clause applies to everyone in the Chamber, and the member has taken his first 1\u00BD minutes to talk about issues that are actually not related to clause 4 of this bill, and I would like him to turn his attention to clause 4.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207826563ae3d4b0f945a40e2d62e2ae7\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: So thank you for that, Mr Chairman, and I would simply conclude by saying that the example was actually erroneous. And I do take note, within this, that Mr Macindoe was making the point of clause 4 and using the example of Mr Anderton. I would simply say that Mr Anderton should have followed the example, and this is a very staunchly debated point right now, that Mr Anderton, if this bill had been in place, would have been required to go back to the electorate and seek a new mandate, as he should have at that time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022 data-id=\u00227a11cc53e63244d7b09c92ab77abd567\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227a11cc53e63244d7b09c92ab77abd567\u0022\u003EALASTAIR SCOTT (National\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair, for the opportunity to speak on clause 4. I\u2019d just like to make a couple of quick comments. I find it quite ironic that the Minister earlier proudly supported and accused this side of not having very many renegade MPs. He proudly supported the reputation and the history of the Labour Party for having these guys who stood up and had a view and crossed the floor and set up new parties. I find it ironic that that won\u2019t be happening any more under this legislation. Those members, those renegades, those revolutionaries, will not be able to be revolutionaries. They will not be able to vote against the wishes of their leader.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EThe Minister mentioned Damien O\u2019Connor just in his last contribution as a way that things should occur\u2014that that\u2019s the right way to do things\u2014and Nikki Kaye could be used as another example. But that was where the leader agreed to disagree. That was where the leader said, \u201CYeah, it is OK to cross the floor.\u201D\u2014or, at least, to promote their idea and vote against the Government of the day. But the point is: what if the leader did not want that to happen? Minister Mark just said earlier, \u201CHow far would you go?\u201D, and that\u2019s the question. How far would Damien O\u2019Connor go or how far would Nikki Kaye go with this proposed legislation? How much would they risk to be kicked out of their party and cease to be a parliamentary member of the political party\u2014I\u2019m referring to clause 4, sir\u2014to make their point? They\u2019re both members currently in the House\u2014members of this Parliament. When their leaders may have said, \u201CSorry, buddy / sorry, Nikki / sorry, Damien, that\u2019s too far. You will not make a protest. You will not be able to exercise your conscience. You will not be able to represent those who elected you here.\u201D\u2014being, specifically, the West Coast\u2019s interests or the Great Barrier Island interests\u2014what are those MPs to do?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EAre they to risk their future careers as politicians simply because, and unfortunately because, of this threat that is looming over them that says, \u201CIf you are no longer a member of a political party, your position will be made vacant. You will be tipped out of the House.\u201D And that threat to the freedom of expression of those MPs will be a real one. We didn\u2019t come here to be kowtowing to our leader. Remember, there are two votes that people cast. They vote for a party, and they vote for an electorate MP. Now, if we just had the proposal where we just do everything that the leader says and kowtow to a leader, let\u2019s just have one vote. Just give the people one vote. Choose your party, and we\u2019ll chuck in the number of people that that represents proportionally, and we\u2019ll stick to that proportionality for ever because we don\u2019t need individuals in Parliament, because individuals don\u2019t matter. Individuals\u2019 consciences don\u2019t count. Individuals\u2019 opinions and representations of their electorates do not count. If they do count, this would not be in this amendment bill. This clause would not be here if individuals counted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EWe are all here as individuals. At least, electorate MPs are here to represent their electorate, and that is an important right and privilege that we have here as electorate MPs particularly. So how can I possibly represent my electorate to the fullest of my ability and extent when I am limited by the threat of being turfed out as being a member of my political party because the leader does not agree with what I have to say or I disagree with the leader? And, as I mentioned, the two cases I mentioned earlier are where the leaders have been compromising and have agreed to disagree and allow the situation to occur.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022 data-id=\u002200d7f75d88d54f8794753c9bf796444b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002200d7f75d88d54f8794753c9bf796444b\u0022\u003ERt Hon DAVID CARTER (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I hadn\u2019t been part of this debate earlier, because I was meeting with a very important delegation\u2014in the gallery now\u2014our friends from South Korea. So I take this opportunity to acknowledge them in the gallery today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EIt seems to me that clause 4, amending section 55 \u201CHow vacancies created\u201D is the very operative clause of this dreadful legislation. I want you, Mr Chair, to think about your own valuable contributions that have been made to your caucus over many, many years. I have not been a member, obviously, of the Labour caucus or the New Zealand First caucus; I\u2019m a proud member of the National caucus. I can tell you that when we have discussions every Tuesday over a wide range of issues, members feel free to give their point of view, and we discuss these issues in-depth, freely, and according to our own conscience, and then we come to a conclusion which binds us all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EWith this clause there now and this legislation passed, I guarantee that every member of whatever party they belong to will think very seriously about their very contributions to caucus, because as you start to make your contribution to caucus, you will be judging how far you\u2019re going in upsetting the leader of your party, to the extent that this clause may then force you to no longer be a member of the political party. I just ask the House to think about that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EPolitics is a contest of ideas. None of us has all the answers. We develop our policies by talking about them, ruminating on the issues, and coming up with the best policy options, but what this clause does is it starts to stop that. It means that if I go into my caucus and I want to express a point of view, I\u2019m always judging how that point of view might be taken by the leader and whether I perhaps overstepped the mark to the extent a process starts. It may not happen instantly on that particular Tuesday. It may be something that then develops over time and, ultimately, our leader, dissatisfied with the person who continually raises a point of view that he doesn\u2019t agree with, starts to ferment in his mind a way he can get rid of that member of Parliament\u2014how that member\u2019s dissent can be stopped, and it becomes easy because of clause 4.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EIt just gives the leader the ability to suddenly make sure that we\u2019re all clones. What\u2019s that going to do for the democratic processes of New Zealand? That\u2019s why, Mr Chair, as you\u2019ve listened to this debate, you\u2019ve heard how few countries in the world have gone with this legislation, because it\u2019s wrong, and you can see it is wrong by looking over the other side of the Chamber\u2014how the Government members are hanging their heads in shame. Even the Minister in the chair, who I\u2019ve got a huge amount of respect for\u2014one of the hardest-working Ministers in the current Government\u2014doesn\u2019t agree with this legislation. I\u2019ve heard his few explanations when he is prepared to get to his feet. His heart\u2019s not in this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EWe all know why it\u2019s here. It\u2019s because one leader can\u2019t control his caucus. So we\u2019re being imposed with legislation because of the Rt Hon Winston Peters\u2019 own skills in handling people. That\u2019s why this legislation is here. Don\u2019t shy away with any other excuses. That\u2019s why I speak with some passion about this particular operative clause of this pernicious, dangerous legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EI note that Greg O\u2019Connor is there. We had a meeting earlier about a forthcoming visit to the Inter-Parliamentary Union (IPU). I challenge him to go around proudly amongst those 45,000 members of the IPU, many of them in Geneva at the conference in October, and talk with pride about New Zealand entering into the same status as Zimbabwe\u2014the same status as Zimbabwe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003ESo Mr Chairman, I thank you for the opportunity of speaking to this clause. I will oppose not only this clause, I will oppose every clause in this awful dreadful bill\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253ab32f5616543e6979586c81ade3104\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Chair!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db6ae4a00e3a4252b7af65dcea1789e4\u0022\u003ERt Hon DAVID CARTER\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014with every bone in my body. It should not be allowed to proceed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00222e6e57f3f69d4785aeaee50fa495680d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222e6e57f3f69d4785aeaee50fa495680d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Before I give the call, just because members can see the time clicking down, the member on his feet has the call for that time, and to start calling for a call is out of order until that member is finished.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022 data-id=\u002292aaa8f0886747a19a7cffba8eb90340\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002292aaa8f0886747a19a7cffba8eb90340\u0022\u003EVIRGINIA ANDERSEN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022 data-id=\u002207bd23964f144b81873f5e085c9532dc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002207bd23964f144b81873f5e085c9532dc\u0022\u003EBRETT HUDSON (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. Thank you for an opportunity to speak on this clause. I do agree it\u2019s an operative clause and that the clause itself is very clear, and no one argues with what it means, and no one argues that it is the right of this Parliament to choose to enact this and, indeed, the bill, if that is the will of Parliament. But I think it\u2019s very important when looking at this clause that we look at it within the context of the section it amends, because there are many other conditions under which a vacancy\u2014traditionally, under the principal Act\u2014can be created in Parliament, and this clause is quite different to all of those.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EExcept for an incredibly dark period in this country\u2019s history when our democracy suffered under the yoke of a dictatorial piece of legislation that was introduced with a bill under the same name as this bill\u2014except for that short time, where the Rt Hon Winston Peters was also part of that coalition Government with Labour\u2014the provision of leaving a political party never formed a criterion for the eviction or the removal from the New Zealand Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003ESo as parliamentarians here consider whether we should adopt this particular clause, and, indeed, whether we should adopt and support this bill, I say they should reflect upon the Electoral Act history in New Zealand and ask themselves this question: do we have confidence that the New Zealand Parliament in its long history has considered the prospect of people leaving their political parties and what implications that should have on their membership in Parliament? Yes, they clearly have. They clearly have for several reasons. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EOne is that members in this House today have noted a number of instances where members of Parliament have left or even been expelled from their party and remained in Parliament, at least for a period of time, as an independent. Jim Anderton was one that, of course, I can remember. I am old enough to remember the deep fight between him and how he saw the Labour Party leaving him. But there\u2019s one even closer to home for me\u2014actually, closer to my actual home, because just down the road from me in the electorate of \u014Ch\u0101riu lives the Hon Peter Dunne. We are both residents in Khandallah. Of course, Peter Dunne left the Labour Party, and, through a succession of party forms, served in this Parliament a number of years, both under the old electoral first-past-the-post system and then under MMP, and retired as leader of the United Future party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003ESo we look back and think, if we\u2019ve had all of these changes in our history, I believe it is very safe for us to say that Parliament has considered over the years that parliamentarians might from time to time leave the party under which they were elected into Parliament. Parliament has considered that, because the electoral laws in this country have gone through a number of iterations. The principal Act here is the Electoral Act 1993. That big change was, of course, preparing our electoral law for MMP. I don\u2019t think there\u2019s any question at all whether the Parliament of the time considered the potential for people to leave their political parties under MMP, because it had already begun. Peter Dunne had left the Labour Party ahead of the MMP election. In fact, a number of people from the National Party had left and formed parties also.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003ESo we can absolutely, categorically state that Parliament, in its history, has considered what should happen to an MP if they leave the political party under which they were elected, and, except for those dark years when the Rt Hon Winston Peters has been part of a coalition with the Labour Party, this Parliament has consistently said it should not impact their right to sit, and stand, in fact, in this House as members of Parliament. Why is that? Because, first and foremost, once elected, members are elected as members of Parliament: country first, then party, then self.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EThat is why, when they\u2019re not a member of the party under which they were elected, they remain in this House, because, first and foremost, they were elected to serve their country\u2014to serve all of the people of New Zealand. Yes, they came into Parliament sharing the values of a particular party. In the past it has happened that, on occasions, they have felt that the values of the party they entered in and their own personal values have diverged, but they serve the country and they have the right to serve in this Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u0022f1658387eb764ae1a90a8cd7579bff1c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f1658387eb764ae1a90a8cd7579bff1c\u0022\u003ENICOLA WILLIS (National):\u003C/span\u003E I rise in solemnity today to talk about clause 4 of the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill. I refer you back to section 55 of the Electoral Act, that this clause adds to. What are the other circumstances under which an MP would be forced to leave this Parliament? Let us think of what severe circumstances they have been to date: a death, because someone has become mentally unfit, because there has been a criminal offence, or because they are serving another country or have become an MP in another country. And add to that list of things which are very serious a new clause which says, \u201CActually, if you resign from your political party, you will cease to be a member of Parliament.\u201D We need to consider how grave that is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EA very good way to provide us a sense of that gravity is to think of other countries who specifically outlaw this kind of a clause from their electoral law. We can think of Germany\u2014the home of MMP\u2014which specifically precludes this sort of a provision being a grounds on which a vacancy can be called. We can think of exactly why that would be. We can think of the other countries of the Inter-Parliamentary Union, of which members opposite are part: an institution that is 180 years old and that says that countries that have these kinds of provisions in their electoral law are political party dictatorships. That is a gravity of what this committee is considering in clause 4.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EWhat the Inter-Parliamentary Union says of those countries is that they cannot be seen to uphold democracy, because it is at the very heart of democracy that we will be held to our conscience and to our thinking as individuals, not beholden to the dictatorship of a political party. This clause undoes that grave principle. It assumes that resigning from a political party is a grave offence\u2014that it is an offence that \u201Clacks integrity\u201D, if we are to read the title of the bill to have any real meaning apart from its Orwellian implications.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EWe consider, in this Parliament today, members of Parliament past who would have been forced to vacate this House if this provision had been in law: members such as Rod Donald, Peter Dunne, Roger Douglas, Jim Anderton, Winston Peters, Tariana Turia, and Hone Harawira. We consider these members. I may not agree with their views. I may not agree with the things they said in this House or the laws that they voted for, but they were true to their own views and were not forced to leave this Parliament because they resigned from a political party. But, today, the Government would say that those people should be forced to vacate this very Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EThis represents a grave cultural change. In this contribution, I want to draw your attention to the comments of the Attorney-General, who said in his not - section 7 New Zealand Bill of Rights report that the effect of having a clause such as this \u201Chas the potential to discourage an MP from speaking up against the party\u201D. These are not my words. These are not the words of the National Party. These are the words of the Attorney-General\u2014a Labour Party member of Parliament. He said that it has the potential to cause \u201Ca chilling effect on an MP\u2019s freedom to express themselves inside and outside [this] House.\u201D And he notes that this \u201Csuppression of dissenting voices \u2026 is a solemn matter for any Parliament.\u201D Because, of course, it has the potential to do this not just prima facie, but also to have a chilling effect on the other actions which they take.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003ESo, at this point, I would point to other countries in the world which have clauses such as this in their electoral law: Zimbabwe and Pakistan. I would urge this committee to consider the threat that we are dealing with, because what are the circumstances under which those countries have drawn these laws into action? MPs have been dismissed for expressing their doubts about the corruption of their own Government, because they have been forced from their political party and therefore have been forced from Parliament. MPs have been forced from Parliament for voting differently from their leaders. They have been forced from Parliament for holding press conferences without the consent of their party leader. That is the threat that is at stake today in this Chamber when we consider this clause 4.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u0022e05516b958a0491790908bab7e08cf6b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e05516b958a0491790908bab7e08cf6b\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022 data-id=\u0022f583db9096884f87a4c9887b172cdd74\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f583db9096884f87a4c9887b172cdd74\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Chair. I very much enjoy the opportunity to speak to this extraordinarily poor piece of legislation, and in particular, this clause 4, which is the enabler of such an extraordinary piece of legislation, which says that, despite being elected here and being asked by your constituents to give voice to their concerns, the ultimate arbiter of your value as a member of Parliament is whether you can continue to have the support and confidence of your leader. This is outrageous.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EEvery one of us in this House began a journey knocking on a door and looking at somebody who answered that door and said, \u201CI would like to introduce who I am and the values that I stand for.\u201D How many of you in this Parliament ever had a constituent who you were being introduced to for the first time and were talking to about what you would like to achieve as a politician on their behalf say, \u201CI will judge you on your fealty to the leader?\u201D None. None. Everyone is tested by the character test of your capacity to represent a particular community and the values that you as a politician will give voice to. No one out in the community that we all here tonight profess to represent would ask us above all else, \u201CI ask you always to genuflect to the leader.\u201D, and that is what this clause enables.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EIt states the conditions by which you have to resign as a member of the party, not because of a choice of values, or passion, or direction of country, or representing your constituent\u2014none of that. That\u2019s included in part, but the critical enabling clause here, that clause 4 reference\u2014new section 55A, you go below that\u2014is that the parliamentary leader can write to the Speaker and say, \u201CI\u2019m sorry but your contribution as a member of this political party is over, so, therefore, you have to resign your seat.\u201D That is absolutely outrageous. If a form of this was put up as a member\u2019s bill, I know that the Minister in the chair would have railed against it. He would have added his voice to the Attorney-General\u2019s\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002223e3af8796ff4d80b21b4a051b7e8d2a\u0022\u003EHon Tim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: So would the Green Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f00618c9f077428ea1662d99d6e583ea\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and certainly so would the Green Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EWhat makes this so frustrating is that this is a place\u2014of course, at times\u2014of partisan debate, but one would hope that through the partisan debate there is an essence of values that underpin a conversation. Yet throughout the time that we have reflected on this bill, and particularly this conversation here about this clause\u2014everyone knows it\u2019s a fa\u00E7ade on the other side. They look at the floor. They can\u2019t look at the eyes and acknowledge the rational views that are being expressed on this side, because they know in their hearts this is absolutely wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EThey are better than this. At their better times they are better than this. I disagree with most of the philosophical and policy implications of this coalition Government, but there are men and women of principle, but none of them have taken a call. None of them, with the exception of Ron Mark talking about the fact\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022234b0648504443c095c2f16a511a173b\u0022\u003EAlastair Scott\u003C/span\u003E: For two minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226bc231bef80548b99dd2c92be158d95a\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014for two minutes\u2014that \u201Cdefence is good and I\u2019ve always supported the leader, and I can\u2019t ever imagine a time that I wouldn\u2019t support a leader.\u201D He could have just stood up and said, \u201CThe way I run my political career is, \u2018How high, Winston?\u2019 \u201D I mean, I\u2019m sorry, this is an outrageous piece of legislation and everybody on the other side knows it and it\u2019s an absolute disgrace.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022975b2acec93b41159e427be86bf60570\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022975b2acec93b41159e427be86bf60570\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR (Labour\u2014\u014Ch\u0101riu):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u00220e1c7a26172f49c8bad4f8944ef62ff9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220e1c7a26172f49c8bad4f8944ef62ff9\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chairman. I want to make this contribution on just one word, because there is one word in new section 55(1)(fa) inserted by clause 4 that means everything and that word is this: \u201Cif \u2026 he or she ceases to be a parliamentary member of a political party\u2026\u201D. Can I tell you why that word \u201Cceases\u201D is so significant. If it said the word \u201Cresigns\u201D\u2014that the member of Parliament voluntarily resigned from that party, that would make a huge material difference to what this clause is all about. The word \u201Ccease\u201D\u2014the word \u201Ccease\u201D\u2014is there because this isn\u2019t about the situation where a member of Parliament voluntarily resigns from a political party. This provision is about the plank calls. This is a provision where a member of Parliament is forced out of a party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003ENow my colleagues have referred to this bill as the \u201CBrendan Horan Bill\u201D and let\u2019s just put this into context. I get quite annoyed when this bill is constantly referred to as the \u201CWaka-hopping Bill\u201D because Brendan Horan is the only member who has switched parties in the last decade. Did Brendan Horan want to leave the New Zealand First Party? Did he resign from the New Zealand First Party? Was this some voluntary \u201Clet\u2019s hop out of New Zealand First\u201D? No, it wasn\u2019t. It was quite the opposite. He was desperate to stay in New Zealand First. Members on this side of the Chamber might ask why, but he was, and fair enough. And the part that\u2019s so significant is this bill is driven by this provision where a member can be driven out of their political party and driven out of this Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EHere\u2019s a really important distinction. The Minister and Winston Peters have, a number of times, referred to the situation of Maurice Williamson and other members. Let me be very clear: it is my view and it is the view of the Inter-Parliamentary Union that it is appropriate for caucus to have the power to push a person out of caucus\u2014that is appropriate. Caucus is a voluntary organisation. But it is a power of difference to say that a person is not only not to be a member of caucus but is to be forced out that door and out of this parliament. That is hugely constitutionally different, and here\u2019s what\u2019s even more significant. Force out that door a list member who is raising concerns about Government, and\u2014guess what\u2014they get to bring a poodle in. They get to bring a poodle in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EI would ask this question of my colleagues: how many people have you met that have said that in New Zealand we need to give party leaders more power? How many members have heard that? I have to say, have any members opposite knocked on a door and said, \u201CYou know what\u2019s wrong with New Zealand? We need to be more authoritarian.\u201D? That\u2019s right\u2014\u201CWe need to be more authoritarian. We want more of that culture of what the leader says goes.\u201D I have to say, I have not heard that view once. I hear quite a lot of people saying, \u201CI wish MPs acted with more integrity. I wish MPs acted more commonly with what they said they would do.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EI wish the Green Party would take a call and explain why they are voting for this bill, because we\u2019ve been going for six hours and they haven\u2019t taken a single call. I\u2019d like Gareth Hughes to answer the question: does the Green Party believe New Zealanders want to give more political power to party leaders through this clause? The honest truth? There ain\u2019t a New Zealander out there that holds that view\u2014not one. There isn\u2019t an editorial, there isn\u2019t a journalist, there isn\u2019t a constitutional academic that says we\u2019ve got a problem in this country\u2014that political party leaders don\u2019t have much power. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EWhat\u2019s really in this bill is about the crude grab of power by Winston Peters, and nobody\u2014nobody opposite, in this Parliament\u2014having the courage to say to Winston, \u201CNo, that\u2019s not right. That\u2019s not democracy. That\u2019s not what this Parliament has been about for 170 years. That is not part of the culture of this liberal democracy.\u201D I am just so disappointed in members opposite, that they do not have the courage of their convictions\u2014[Time expired]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u00220dbde8e6ffea4ce9a1b2a893f0ae4856\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220dbde8e6ffea4ce9a1b2a893f0ae4856\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR (Labour\u2014\u014Ch\u0101riu):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022be241a7258d747a892a9e097755ae24a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022be241a7258d747a892a9e097755ae24a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is, That the question be now put. Those of that opinion will say Aye\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221127ed6acc864d0c945c4e07bdbb5f55\u0022\u003ETim van de Molen\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e35dd1e2cdb14ce4a82ff2bddc86502e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: We are having a vote.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226944493afac9416eae63adcba1cd4b89\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 62\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 46; Green Party 8; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 56\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 56.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000461\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Dr Nick Smith to clause 4 be agreed to:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000462\u0022\u003Ereplace clause 4 with new clause 4:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000463\u0022\u003E4\tSection 55 amended (How vacancies created)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000464\u0022\u003E\tAfter section 55(1)(f), insert:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000465\u0022\u003E(fa)\tif, under section 55A, they cease to be a parliamentary member of the political party for which they were elected; or\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022c2118a48ecde4a668098c4b6a705d0d9\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 56\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 56.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 62\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 46; Green Party 8; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000466\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the following amendment in the name of Hon Dr Nick Smith to clause 4 be agreed to:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000467\u0022\u003Ereplace clause 4 with new clause 4:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000468\u0022\u003E4\tSection 55 amended (How vacancies created)\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000469\u0022\u003E\tAfter section 55(1)(f), insert:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000470\u0022\u003E(fa)\tif, under section 55A, he or she ceases to be a parliamentary member of the political party for which he or she was elected or in the case of a merger of two or more parties he or she ceases to be a parliamentary member of that new merged party; or\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022715501fb80a949778b97ae0ae88720e8\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 56\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 56.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 62\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 46; Green Party 8; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002205f42a1370ac44c69034df3ee3058029\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That clause 4 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 62\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 46; Green Party 8; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 57\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 56; ACT New Zealand 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause 4 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u002230d5cf78bdca4f6b8cf637f5cf2563b7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002230d5cf78bdca4f6b8cf637f5cf2563b7\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E Mr Chairman, I do note that you are required to report progress at five minutes to six. There isn\u2019t the opportunity remaining for a five-minute contribution\u2014there\u2019s only 2\u00BD minutes before you have to do that. I seek leave for the committee stage to conclude and for the Chair to report progress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00220c198dc469d64636a73bfa45c93c8beb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220c198dc469d64636a73bfa45c93c8beb\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There appears to be none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EProgress reported.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20180809ef60a5abcf70487780efee121ed9f17c000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 5.54 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"