"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022211a49ad77b64c39961693b232960396\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 18 OCTOBER 2018\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002278208e446fe7409199b7aedeb52e07cb\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 18 OCTOBER 2018\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022116a780ead7e426bac6964b464205f99\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222ff48d9ec466426aac02a51faf22ef6d\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022eedb09b5f48040b2b5f2a71b7714be86\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eedb09b5f48040b2b5f2a71b7714be86\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Next week, the Commerce Amendment Bill and the Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) Agreement Bill will complete their remaining stages. The committee stage of the Telecommunications (New Regulatory Framework) Amendment Bill will proceed, and the Residential Tenancies (Prohibiting Letting Fees) Amendment Bill will receive its second reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u00225988423ab035446a9602fbd93ec92b15\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225988423ab035446a9602fbd93ec92b15\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Deputy Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E I wonder whether I could ask Mr Hipkins as to whether he\u2019s given any consideration to the courtesy of giving a valedictory to Jami-Lee Ross of at least half an hour, because he\u2019s got things he wants to tell us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022b0966ba0736e4b79882fb9806ee2afc2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b0966ba0736e4b79882fb9806ee2afc2\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Based on past precedent, if a member retiring from Parliament requests a valedictory, that\u2019s either a matter for the Business Committee\u2014and the Government would look favourably upon that if that was presented\u2014or for the Speaker, if they wish to do a valedictory before the Business Committee met.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00221e76823dc90d470583a93f19997dbd75\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220425fef331ec42feb6127ef81f052202\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f707316bd1fd4ba88a38f38a8f9a5da0\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022 data-id=\u00220e86382211cd4e1b8600e14de6752d36\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220e86382211cd4e1b8600e14de6752d36\u0022\u003EHon AMY ADAMS (National\u2014Selwyn)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Is it a goal of this Government\u2019s economic policy to make it easier for New Zealand families to get ahead? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022 data-id=\u0022ecbd355056fc4ac78ecdd944e417b76f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ecbd355056fc4ac78ecdd944e417b76f\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK (Acting Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Yes. This Government believes we all win when we grow our economy for the benefit of all New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c922cac77ff54fb59b4199a174d89169\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Is it a sign that New Zealand families are finding it easier to get ahead that there are now 9,000 more people on job seeker benefits and 20,000 more seeking food hardship grants than there were this time last year? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b13828cefb9d461c87bb3805b7693efd\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m advised that that\u2019s the same rate as it was last year. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e497eb9d608a4b7f9dfbfc91f9eb8881\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Well, will the Government commit to cancelling its further planned petrol tax increases should the price of petrol reach $2.80 a litre, as some are predicting, to help ease the cost of living burden on New Zealanders? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f28e849f180045bdaccd2659bca75727\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: The New Zealand fuel excise is actually one of the lowest in the OECD, while the pre-tax cost of fuel is actually the highest. I\u2019d point out that the price of Brent crude has almost doubled since the middle of last year, and petrol companies have increased their profit margins by 10 percent in the last year alone. This Government is committed to looking after those who are struggling, including young families, and if you look at our Families Package, it puts $5.5 billion towards those who are struggling, including 384,000 New Zealand families who will be $75 a week better off when that policy is fully rolled out. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d6d44ff24974335919839c96f22c1ba\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware that if petrol prices increase by another 30c a litre, the Government will be collecting just as much extra revenue from the GST alone as it would from its next petrol tax hike; and if so, why is the Government going to be double-dipping from New Zealanders\u2019 pockets?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d20899b9efb448d3b527dd17f46a15b5\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: If that member no longer believes in petrol excise then she needs to tell New Zealanders which transport projects she is going to cut.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022705ff2b8d2e949a6984e29ef5df2b17c\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Well, the Minister\u2019s asked me a question and I seek leave to answer it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229353ab1d8c784926b039d2e05e441640\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the member seeks leave. Ministers are not meant to ask questions of the Opposition, but the member seeks leave to answer it. Is there any objection? The Hon Amy Adams.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b7e0d604efc483a899c362dfaa605f5\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Well, I can tell the House that a re-elected National Government certainly would not be putting up the tax on petrol in New Zealand\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c005ea1de3a463685f70cd22c8c25ab\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022695e27360f3e45adb42ad1db9286ecb3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: A point of order\u2014[Interruption] Order! Order! A point of order, the Rt Hon Winston Peters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b569af8b1ea74b0cb8454cb206b0d65d\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: The member was granted leave to tell us which projects the National Party would cut. She is not addressing that. That\u2019s the only reason she got leave, so could she now address the issue: which projects is she going to cut? [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247deb66232204c17bba1aad1efde3ffd\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will do that, she will do it now, and she will not do it in a disorderly way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c66938b23c7c430bbf7d261f02beb11f\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: A re-elected National Government would not be funding a trolley bus up Dominion Road from petrol taxes on road users, and it would not be putting up the cost of petrol at a time\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b96c0806e77c418d892d72e6823a9ee7\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228da31d4c32044f94b7bc8a40b4f0beaf\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002216465af8c7284eab9078c55959563e30\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no\u2014I\u2019m going to deal with the member first. The member made a comment which was not a response to the question. She will stand, withdraw, and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222967e4504eab44a2a73516f63f00c0f3\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022152f0fd61ade4a1ebddd124d312e226d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: There will be no further supplementaries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022deff2aa3bbdf4221a2538df9aedd9dbc\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u2014Housing and Urban Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u00220abc75c0b86e421590fa2b1a8882331f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220abc75c0b86e421590fa2b1a8882331f\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (National\u2014Papakura)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: Is he confident that the proposals included in the reform of the Residential Tenancies Act 1986 discussion document will benefit both landlords and tenants?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u00220787182b81e1423889c6cb546ad78261\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220787182b81e1423889c6cb546ad78261\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Housing and Urban Development):\u003C/span\u003E Faakalofa lahi atu ki a mutolu oti. We are seeking feedback on how we strike a balance between providing tenants with security of tenure and allowing them to make their house a home while protecting the rights and interests of landlords. We need good landlords, and it\u2019s lucky for us that most landlords are good people trying to do the right thing and provide a professional service. Our policy is to set decent minimum standards for the 21st century that will professionalise the rental market and clean out the rogue operators at the bottom of the market who are undercutting good landlords and giving the whole industry a bad name. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ee36b80849c4ccdb1870bde0f87bd48\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Will proposals to end no-cause terminations and end fixed-term agreements make it almost impossible for a landlord to move on from a difficult tenant?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd64289fbfe44701946b381083c488fa\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: No, because we\u2019ve made it very clear. We\u2019ve heard landlords tell us that many of them rely on no-cause, 90-day terminations to get rid of rogue tenants, and we\u2019ve said to landlords in meetings all around the country that while we want to get rid of 90-day terminations because we don\u2019t believe in the 21st century it\u2019s justifiable for one party to be able to cancel a contract for something as important as someone\u2019s home without having to give any kind of justification, if we\u2019re going to do that, then we\u2019re going to try our best to find new ways that landlords can get rid of rogue tenants in a practical and timely way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c5d6c99c48244797945073182dcce3a7\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Will proposals to allow tenants to make modifications to properties mean that landlords will no longer be able to refuse a request from a tenant to modify a property?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c7ff27afd57f469aa30ef1200f9572e2\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, we haven\u2019t proposed that, but the current law that allows tenants to request the ability to make basic alterations and requires that landlords have to have a reasonable case for declining that request\u2014we note that that doesn\u2019t appear to be working. The evidence from tenants all around the country is that they are, basically, too frightened in many cases to even request the opportunity to make simple or basic alterations. So our consultation document invites feedback from tenants and landlords about how we can make this work better so that tenants can paint a wall, put up a shelf, and make basic alterations that will allow them to make a house a home.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224496c0719a75421ab2d69ce19f8ad3e3\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: What effects will the Government\u2019s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act have on families?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002229ac84a029a143c194dc57be51cb8702\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Insecure tenure can force families to continually move house. It\u2019s particularly tough on children when they have to keep changing schools. By ending no-cause terminations while ensuring that landlords can still get rid of rogue tenants and increasing the amount of notice a landlord must give tenants to terminate a tenancy, we hope to be able to provide families with a stable and secure home.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e81364dc153d455ab4105f9119a8c586\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: If, as he says, the proposal is to balance landlords\u2019 and tenants\u2019 rights, which proposals in this discussion document address any of the issues that landlords say that they are currently facing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c57c1908ed34cb08600047bfb07705f\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: The requirement for landlords to be able to get rid of rogue tenants in a timely and workable way. Landlords tell us that the current Residential Tenancies Act does not allow them to get rid of tenants in a timely and workable way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4219d7f41a54e4580679eb70c81aaaa\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Is it the case that if these policies make it much more difficult and costly for people to rent out homes to tenants, people may simply just choose to, as he\u2019s told them to do, take their money elsewhere?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227995eee6d63a406495d26e5246b805a3\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I reject the member\u2019s premise that modern, decent, civilised tenancy laws that provide a balance between the responsibilities and obligations and rights of tenants and landlords is necessarily going to make renting a more difficult and costly thing. We don\u2019t accept that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7856aa3fd244dc88614ee98a23e2f1b\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: What other changes is the Government making to ensure families have warm, dry, and secure rental homes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b4a83b6dd054d74b71da430951f3ee4\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, we know that rental homes are more likely to be older and of poorer quality than owner-occupied homes. Approximately 2,000, or more than one-third, of rental properties have no insulation. Many are cold, damp, and mouldy, and cause respiratory illness, toxic reactions, and allergies that see more than 40,000 children bundled off to hospital every year. We do not accept that this is OK in the 21st century. The healthy homes guarantee standards, which we are now consulting on, will set minimum standards to ensure that families in this country have warm, dry homes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002253ede85a67b84b6e9fbafda331730393\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u2014Housing and Urban Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022 data-id=\u0022b5235797c4cf4f148c14fab9bdd26572\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b5235797c4cf4f148c14fab9bdd26572\u0022\u003EJO LUXTON (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: What reports has he seen on the housing market?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u002235d0b7ea087a487faa9c43c8c65fbb44\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002235d0b7ea087a487faa9c43c8c65fbb44\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Housing and Urban Development):\u003C/span\u003E This morning, the latest Massey University Home Affordability Report shows a 4.4 percent improvement in the national affordability over the most recent quarter, and a 2.1 percent improvement over the last 12 months. This comes on top of CoreLogic reporting that one in every four homes sold in New Zealand last month was sold to a first-home buyer, the highest rate for first-home buyers since the Clark Government in 2006-07. There is still a lot of work to do to build our way out of the national housing crisis, but we\u2019re making good progress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b24b710c94e479087a5b574e85a87d7\u0022\u003EJo Luxton\u003C/span\u003E: How has housing affordability improved across regional New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b58cd9f0907841f783f2a306c8142651\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Over the past year, seven regions have shown improvements in affordability, led by Northland, with a 6.5 percent improvement. Housing affordability has also improved in Auckland and Queenstown, two of the areas with the most acute housing crisis. There\u2019s a lot more to do, but this is an early indication that this Government\u2019s policy to intervene in the housing market on the side of first-home buyers, to discourage speculators, and to build our way out of the national housing crisis is starting to bear fruit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226e2d5516028748728601029ace0065b7\u0022\u003EJo Luxton\u003C/span\u003E: What did Massey University\u2019s report say about median house price-to-income ratios?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8ee9ea6fd9742efb6d2506d9a5fb109\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, most importantly, median house price-to-income ratios are starting to contract. House prices in Queenstown moved from 13.7 to 13.2 times annual wages, and nationally moved from 9.1 to 8.8. We are stabilising house prices and lifting household incomes through increasing wages, sensible economic management, the Government\u2019s Families Package, and increasing the minimum wage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022578245af932e44929ec36dc737399f52\u0022\u003EJo Luxton\u003C/span\u003E: What reports has he seen on the effect of other policies on home affordability?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022719e1f72acf4454db7f946f7ccdcfe4f\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Recent research has found that special housing areas created to improve housing affordability actually generated a 5 percent increase in house prices and worsened the affordability of homes in that area. The researchers found that the special housing area programme simply allowed developers to offer new homes with an additional attribute, a shorter delivery time, which allowed developers to set higher prices. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002247ddd621daff4306b9ff668c2ae52430\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u2014Transport\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u0022fd83a7d6b101445cbc05e9228ad53b7a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fd83a7d6b101445cbc05e9228ad53b7a\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Transport: Does he stand by all his statements?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u002277f61b3dbd6142ea882a7fab770631e0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002277f61b3dbd6142ea882a7fab770631e0\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Transport):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, in the context in which they were made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c40d4c07e8bb4637b7fd5c2684123582\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by the last part of his answer to my question on Tuesday, \u201CDoes he agree that the Prime Minister\u2019s summation on 8 October that taxes and levies amounted to 6.8 cents was wrong?\u201D, namely: \u201CAs the Prime Minister also pointed out, the lion\u2019s share of the increase in petrol prices in the last year is due to the pre-tax cost, not Government revenue measures.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022235f13ba7df441e5a9d3af098be88f75\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002284164c008d72405ea692793e2104eb18\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with the Prime Minister\u2019s conclusion last week: \u201CNew Zealand consumers, in my book, are being fleeced.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224db307e2b09d4f209c3c4f3fd2fae815\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I always agree with the Prime Minister. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222968bb74933d4f87be48076f0ddf919a\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Who is doing the fleecing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220e90867676894d8893d695fbfbc530f4\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Just check the Prime Minister\u2019s statement\u2014it made it pretty clear.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d3c428a307e34e99a0647d3ab227e8dc\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: So is the Prime Minister the judge and jury in any inquiry that\u2019s going to be going on into fuel pricing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205ef46c0e37f42bb82f1e1d1ad036614\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002235a1236a1ceb418b9d22241c7f31ab2d\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u2014Education\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022 data-id=\u00226eca5c2acf01405d85161bf0922d2f22\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226eca5c2acf01405d85161bf0922d2f22\u0022\u003EHon NIKKI KAYE (National\u2014Auckland Central):\u003C/span\u003E A question to the Minister of Education\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022728ac16c65464a8e9481ba01ff29431e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: In fact, you\u2019ve just given them two. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022 data-id=\u002279b9f5afe32942f7acb39cf04c0f89e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002279b9f5afe32942f7acb39cf04c0f89e7\u0022\u003EHon NIKKI KAYE (National\u2014Auckland Central)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: Is he confident that education expenditure has been a priority for this Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u00226c4407ee1d7c4683973ccc54502a8bf3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226c4407ee1d7c4683973ccc54502a8bf3\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E In the context of the largest increase in Vote Education in over a decade, absolutely, yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db5aa300e0b44fa1bf1a6ca28dfd9a46\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Will he apologise to teachers if the New Zealand Police are prioritised and offered a salary increase of more than 4.5 percent per year, well above the offer for teachers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b222af5b501544f68249e058c48a86ff\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: The New Zealand Police have not been offered that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002218684b249281422b99898e364bfa81e8\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: If the New Zealand Police are offered more than 4.5 percent, which includes 3 percent plus competency/service increment (CSI), will he promise to match that for teachers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c35ef14feba147778cbb8cf4b2aea191\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s not comparing apples with apples.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238d2e0c525134ac083c050e1d876b394\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: If the New Zealand Police have been, effectively, offered 4.5 percent, which includes CSI, will he promise to match that for teachers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c88890c72f3f466e9f9adb59bcdf16e8\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: As I indicated, the member\u2019s not comparing apples with apples. The pay structures are different.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022030f319b21e548b18b7f0830aafc79b3\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. That was a very simple yes or no question, and he didn\u2019t answer it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002270593f23a5ae45d699b46a05c5e5b879\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I think that the member got an answer to it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e740b7bbed3f4f69bba66a09df6b9fa5\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Was he wrong when he told the House the financial breakdown of the offer was published on the Ministry of Education\u2019s website, given the ministry have contacted the Post Primary Teachers\u2019 Association to say that he was wrong and that the information will now be up shortly?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022219706aa178f4be5a336477869d7d4fe\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: A financial breakdown of the offer was published on the Ministry of Education website, and I had a copy of it in my hand at the time that I made the statement. The financial breakdown that the Post Primary Teachers\u2019 Association (PPTA) were looking for was different.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e91d7c93ddf747eabb6a9ca1b12a4ebb\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Is he saying the Ministry of Education were wrong in what they said to the unions\u2014that he had not published the financial breakdown of the offer?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abb653db7b8b4d439331873f6aafe45c\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: No, the financial breakdown I was referring to published in great detail the step-by-step changes that had been offered as part of the contract negotiations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002260d18cbbf0bd458d933c2c15e8b2e773\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: That is not true. That is not true. He knows they\u2014you know they\u2019ve been asking for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225965e0a81c834359b650c7de41f7ca79\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: What the PPTA have asked for\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a85e3d16898e4b7d9832296766319c0f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! Order! The member will resume his seat. Nikki Kaye will stand, withdraw, and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022647d62224e6948c38a2c31ab711df0e4\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022effb9a87eee44020943224064b400526\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The Minister will start again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c194495318834a078cd46501f0682188\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: What I understand the PPTA have asked for is the individual costing of each element of the offer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022894dad16f70e4903a409bf8ab6110779\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Does he accept that if he is unable to provide a larger fiscal envelope for teachers, we are likely to have rolling strikes and several thousand teachers short, given the projected teacher shortages out today?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb9c29846b1943d0b3b810f219cba3a3\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: The retention rates for existing teachers are relatively high. What we do know is that we don\u2019t have enough teachers because the previous Government didn\u2019t train enough, and that is something that this Government is going to address. With regard to increases in pay, I\u2019d point out that this Government has prioritised an increase in teacher pay, and we have made them the largest pay increase offer that they have had in over a decade. In fact, the pay offer that they have been given amounts to more than all of the settlements they reached under the previous National Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b8418caeb47448d18d46a4f5cf7058a5\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u2014Social Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u0022b59c0345ff054c23a816669391d30f0f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b59c0345ff054c23a816669391d30f0f\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (National\u2014Taup\u014D)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Social Development: Does she stand by all her Government\u2019s policies and actions in relation to the social development portfolio?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022 data-id=\u002298b12f01701b458a99ab5fdcae89a027\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002298b12f01701b458a99ab5fdcae89a027\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for Social Development):\u003C/span\u003E Fakalofa lahi atu. Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022391fdc20f607485cbf065d1cbce360c8\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: Why are there 9,000 more people on jobseeker benefits than a year ago?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d643eb1d88b4cc8a0e568ea7c83e90a\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: That member knows that the proportion of people that are currently unemployed is exactly the same as what it was at this time last year: 9.4 percent. The actual number increase comes down to population increase in areas like Auckland and Canterbury, where there has been a significant population increase. What is incredibly heartening is that in the provinces and regions like Northland, we\u2019ve seen a reduction in unemployed, and that goes to show this Government\u2019s focus on the regions is working.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c78b6f9830804dbda0145a08a6866fcb\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: Why has there been a 9.6 percent increase of people aged 18 to 24 on the jobseeker benefit?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278d33559e935493a93ef644d02d24a13\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: That member knows, because she would have received the benefit numbers this morning, that the actual unemployment rate overall is 9.4 percent, which is exactly the same as what it was this time last year. This Government has made no secret of the fact that we are focused on getting people into meaningful and sustainable employment. We\u2019re not satisfied with the fact that under the previous Government, within 18 months 50 percent of people were returning to benefit. Our focus is on ensuring that people get into sustainable and meaningful employment, and that means also having a focus on upskilling and training for our young people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002233e248a0dfb04908994e8a2dbb8bf7b4\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. That was a very long answer that did not address the question, which was about the unemployment rate increase for 18- to 24-year-olds.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227094b0fc7c944c81943ed6f15616b96d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I know the member sort of waved in the general direction of the question right at the end, but I don\u2019t think she did address it, despite a very long answer on other things. Have another go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022df18842ccf91491287e869f7e18f5a87\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: The actual breakdown I don\u2019t have in front of me. However, I would like to say that that particular age group is getting a lot of attention from this side of House, particularly with our first-year free policy for fees and Mana in Mahi. This is not just, for us, about pushing people off into the next minimum wage job. It\u2019s making sure that they have sustainable, meaningful employment to go into, and we\u2019re focused on making sure that they are upskilled and trained for the job opportunities that we\u2019re creating through things like KiwiBuild.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f17d5e25fed40648abb6bb188f072f6\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: How can the Minister explain that the unemployment rate is the same as a year ago and yet there are 9,000 more Kiwis on the jobseeker benefit?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221cdb88d3e5e24247ba74a2d4987f51b2\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: As I mentioned before, the actual proportion of people that are on the benefit is exactly the same\u2014it\u2019s 9.4 percent. The increase that the member is referring to is as a result of population growth. If she wants an explanation, I can give one example, and that is that in Auckland the working age population has increased by 34,000 over the last year. The actual proportion of those unemployed is exactly the same as what it was a year ago.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227333d433cb7b4869b06da4d85d1c5560\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: Other than cost of living increases, how does she explain the nearly 20,000 more hardship grants for food in her Government\u2019s first year in office?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa4e67d9694741d2a354543a45353a91\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m really glad that that member has asked that question. All of the evidence that we\u2019ve been provided with shows us very clearly that the fact is that, for the nine years under that side of the House, housing was ignored, the crisis was denied, and the most common reason that people are seeking hardship assistance is because of the cost of housing. I\u2019m really proud to be part of a Government that is finally addressing the number one concern that New Zealanders are faced with. It\u2019s long overdue, but thank goodness we\u2019re here to do it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dfd6010a1a1e4c65881a7a119a55d337\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I specifically asked about hardship grants for food, and I was quite clear in my question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278210abca81948509cedec28a29f4bdd\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the Minister can have another go if she wants.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002223d11bacd85043beba31c1990bbc4892\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: OK, sure. The number one reason that people are citing for needing to access hardship grants from Work and Income New Zealand is the cost of housing. Just to further elaborate on this, recently the Household Incomes Report was released, and it showed that, after housing costs, our most vulnerable families\u2019 incomes haven\u2019t changed since the 1980s. That is a desperate situation that the previous Government left New Zealand families in, and we\u2019re doing something to address it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2d637c7ee004cc9a666e88413154e0f\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: In respect of the answer to an earlier supplementary question, is the Minister telling the House that \u201Cthe next minimum wage job\u201D is not good enough for those on jobseeker support?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bcf8d8d151c34a9c8d0cd252e32227f9\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: What I\u2019m saying is this side of the House is aspirational for New Zealanders. We want to make sure that more New Zealanders are able to reach their potential. The strategy that was employed by the previous Government was obviously unsuccessful, because 50 percent of those who left benefits were back on within 18 months. We\u2019re about making sure that families are better off, and that they go into sustainable, meaningful employment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f44d78042cb14af4829c9db76ed500d4\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: Is a person receiving the jobseeker support payment better or worse placed to cope with the increased living costs from this Government\u2019s policy than a person in full-time employment?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c585857f904a4e3fb3f5a495456152db\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: We are working with those who come for support from the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) to ensure that their long-term options are much better off than what they were under the previous Government. We\u2019re making sure that when people come to MSD for support, they are getting everything that they are eligible for, which was not happening under the previous Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dbd4db0cb59b4aa786277a3f2bc0af1b\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. It was a really clear question about a comparison between the jobseeker support payment and someone in full-time employment around cost of living increases, and the Minister seems incapable of answering a clear question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b7bdb21c2824980a0edbb9e9a83f43b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well that\u2019s not a point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d6330e60de634cf785bc9ff5c5c27a91\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u2014Disability Issues\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022 data-id=\u00221f622161b87a4eec96a2c8a75606328c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221f622161b87a4eec96a2c8a75606328c\u0022\u003EPRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Disability Issues: What recent announcements has the Government made to improve the disability support system?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022 data-id=\u002296d32f2d8ddf45eba4e4a3b393af2b0f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002296d32f2d8ddf45eba4e4a3b393af2b0f\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for Disability Issues):\u003C/span\u003E On 1 October, Minister Shaw and I announced the roll-out of the prototype for the transformed disability support system, called Mana Whaikaha, in the MidCentral District Health Board region. This new prototype focuses on what disabled people can do, not what they can\u2019t, and offers flexible options to increase well-being and health outcomes. The Government has committed $21.24 million over the next two years to fund the new system in MidCentral, which includes Palmerston North, Horowhenua, Manawat\u016B, \u014Ctaki, and Tararua districts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a61c1e4b954743daac41694dc86ad2f3\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s different about this new approach?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0c7daa00cb5453d852a927a15ea1493\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: The transformed system enables disabled people to have greater decision-making authority over their lives and supports. Mana Whaikaha is based on the Enabling Good Lives principles and approach and lessons learnt from the Enabling Good Lives demonstrations in Christchurch and Waikato, as well as the Ministry of Health\u2019s new model and international evidence. Enabling Good Lives takes a person-centred approach, supporting disabled people in families to think about what they want in their lives and what support they need to make that happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227c038fa8569b43fca64a8e63e9ca4e42\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: How will the Government ensure that the new system is right for people with disabilities and their wh\u0101nau?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225f0403b20ed04050a3b09515beaaa104\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: In this new system, there will be a connector who will work with disabled people and their wh\u0101nau to identify the supports they require to live the life they want. We\u2019re taking a try, learn, and adjust approach to this new system, so we can be responsive and innovative during the prototype and ensure the voices of disabled people continue to be at the heart of this work. Mana Whaikaha was co-designed by disabled people, wh\u0101nau providers, and Government officials working together over the last 18 months. This reflects the Government\u2019s commitment to \u201CNothing about us without us\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221f4466c597ea423b89e402280ef16fcd\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u2014Small Business\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u00227cd53dd258964bbc8b2d690c56552c79\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227cd53dd258964bbc8b2d690c56552c79\u0022\u003EHon JACQUI DEAN (National\u2014Waitaki)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Small Business: Has he heard from any small-business owners about any increased cost of doing business?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022 data-id=\u0022d3d728e4206f47fbb7393877fa4a54b0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d3d728e4206f47fbb7393877fa4a54b0\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Deputy Leader of the House)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for Small Business: On behalf of the Minister, yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227257f386da1544f78a5118cc647ec96b\u0022\u003EHon Jacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: How does he explain the ANZ Business Micro Scope survey, which shows that business confidence among small firms is now at a 10-year low?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a2b0a48b3cc4b9085b18da0dda594d3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! I think the member has to somehow relate it to the original question. Just the words \u201Csmall business\u201D are not enough.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221abc22bc44d04ee19cdc9ae0f92dce1f\u0022\u003EHon Jacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: How does he explain\u2014in the context of the increased cost of doing business\u2014the ANZ Business Micro Scope survey, which shows that business confidence amongst small firms is now at a 10-year low?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c103e1a7ae4b4468aa6e99f298cca2a9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Very marginal ministerial responsibility, but\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f455a3b23d274fd29f7f746c4be0f45b\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, looking at the headlines from the small firms confidence survey, cost of doing business is not mentioned as a headline issue in business confidence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b98ec5610b8b43e89ed3c731b49b84e7\u0022\u003EHon Jacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: Which of his policies, if any, support small businesses against rising costs, when the ANZ report says that \u201Csmall firms continue to see reasonable demand for their goods and services but perhaps some difficulty in passing on rising costs to consumers,\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002216d53b22861c401f9392b649a12e9fdb\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, the policies that will best support small businesses to protect themselves against rising costs are the policies that support growth in New Zealand, and policies such as the Provincial Growth Fund, the R \u0026amp; D tax credits, and the largest investment in transport infrastructure that this country has seen in decades will all contribute to small-business confidence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7be5ed1ca0a4233afc82aba808fa8d3\u0022\u003EHon Jacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: So what does he say to the Wairarapa builder I met who wanted to take on an apprentice but is holding back because of the rising cost of fuel and wages?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241f60179151e4b1d8b111b35039b3401\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, I would say to that person that we have the huge KiwiBuild programme, which will give them certainty of demand for their services over at least the next 10 years. I would point them towards the Mana in Mahi programme\u2014that will support them to take on an apprentice. I would point them towards the fees-free policy\u2014that gives not one but two years of free fees for people who take up an apprenticeship. This Government has a range of policies that respond to that person\u2019s concerns, and that is, I am sure, why they have more confidence in this Government than anything the previous Government did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229ea90b124cba40159928a2370c42156c\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u2014Energy and Resources\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022 data-id=\u00229b87e920e1014778895d63173fd9146c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229b87e920e1014778895d63173fd9146c\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG (National\u2014New Plymouth)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Energy and Resources: Does she stand by all her Government\u2019s policies, statements, and actions in relation to the energy and resources portfolio?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u002281fedeb37da642ad8a99629692a7b29a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002281fedeb37da642ad8a99629692a7b29a\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Acting Minister of Energy and Resources):\u003C/span\u003E On behalf of the Minister of Energy and Resources, yes\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224cf6d71850b14b5ba2b20f5326811d8b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just interrupt. I think he is the Acting Minister, isn\u2019t he? Aren\u2019t you?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235224a18baed4d738e6477704052f668\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, because she\u2019s overseas. Yes, sir. I still thought I had to say who I\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022777e67109de94a87a73975e67b5dd0d8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, you don\u2019t, because you are the Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a5a9b7001aa4838a47152530f68e919\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, yes\u2014in context.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d2fd52736b574e7fb0ce3aa9bf8bca90\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, and congratulations. Does it remain the Government\u2019s policy that there will be no new mines on conservation land, as stated in the Speech from the Throne?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8aa85c6c9c540b3bb6d3e8dd0ca9e7f\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not sure of the detail of that. If the member is referring to stewardship lands, I think the position has been made clear in respect of fossil fuels. I\u2019m not sure in respect of other mining on conservation lands. If the member cares to put down a specific question, I\u2019ll ensure that it\u2019s answered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee44b12d1ad1459a8145d80f9f0ca851\u0022\u003EMaureen Pugh\u003C/span\u003E: If this is already Government policy, how can those most affected be confident that the upcoming consultation will be thorough and meaningful?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226cc827df2db242b7a6f8a6d3f128f8b2\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: The consultation document that has been produced will be processed in the normal way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dae5beae157c421b84dc29e98c574498\u0022\u003EMaureen Pugh\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister aware that banning new mines on conservation land will ban new mines on 85 percent of the land on the West Coast?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc1816ff7b984c248662eff84560f5ad\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s a hypothetical question, and therefore I won\u2019t answer it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225211ebfece0341a8bf641676ade416d6\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: Is it the intention of the Government to extend new section 50A, recently introduced in the Crown Minerals (Petroleum) Amendment Bill, which bans access to Taranaki conservation land except for minimum impact activities, to the rest of the country, and if not, then why is it in the Crown Minerals (Petroleum) Amendment Bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222380a923a2ac42a98c2b8b8781c381ac\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t have the answer to that particular question, but I\u2019m sure if it\u2019s put down in writing, it will be answered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002222c14804ac4d4d6bb08e0322bf7a7af4\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Having regard to recent events, I seek the leave of the House for Maureen Pugh to put a couple more questions to demonstrate how effective she\u2019s been as an MP.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7cc1b1b37c0484dbc1e8560b197a25f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ca9ef2f951049bab94bdf632bc34312\u0022\u003EMaureen Pugh\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294aad46e59b54fdaa7462f22d9e9cf04\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m going to deal with this one first, and that is that the member is an experienced member\u2014the most experienced member in the House\u2014and he knows that one cannot seek leave on behalf of another member when that member is present.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261f8f9b24e8a4370a7fe3855e7057643\u0022\u003EMaureen Pugh\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I take offence at that comment from the Deputy Prime Minister, and I ask him to withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c1739cbc66024f8493aaa1364b937004\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, no, I actually think that that was not an offensive comment. I mean, one might say, given a number of the comments that have been made here recently, from both sides of the House, I think it was, if not absolutely polite, then not so bad as it would cause me to require the member to withdraw.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002241146229-4d11-415b-a4ac-f4e2b923e95d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022433f1ff2fa93406fa5cc913e47b453b0\u0022\u003EHon Christopher Finlayson\u003C/span\u003E: And it\u2019s after lunch.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8060026d9c0488db55c6d3074953926\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019re gone\u2014we all knew that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d3a62834c47847e8ac6567f15c96821c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The Deputy Prime Minister will stop referring to me in that way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220a44f523d2244d91bccfda5f40f8f706\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u2014Trade and Export Growth\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022 data-id=\u0022b63a024a05604734acf576eb135ca1cc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b63a024a05604734acf576eb135ca1cc\u0022\u003EJAMIE STRANGE (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Trade and Export Growth: What actions is the Government taking to enhance New Zealand\u2019s international trade relationships?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u0022fc9caa9f4fcc4e478e931882520ea726\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fc9caa9f4fcc4e478e931882520ea726\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Minister for Trade and Export Growth):\u003C/span\u003E On my own behalf, the coalition Government is getting on with the governing, and we\u2019re working hard to grow exports, jobs, and incomes. An important part of our trade strategy is the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP), which we hope to ratify in the coming weeks now that our foreign buyer ban is in place. With the rising tide of trade protectionism, CPTPP is essential to protecting and enhancing our trade interests. I\u2019d also like to thank the Opposition for supporting the Government to improve outcomes for our exporters by supporting that legislation. We believe CPTPP is good for New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c75290e04a6543348df1e792fa02c092\u0022\u003EJamie Strange\u003C/span\u003E: How is the Government representing New Zealand\u2019s trade interests internationally?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294feb65ebd384fdcaef2438a4a1d72ce\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019re doing this actively around the world. I was in Singapore last weekend at negotiations for the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership agreement, and next week I\u2019ll be in Washington and Ottawa. I\u2019m meeting US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, as well as other members of the US administration. In Ottawa, New Zealand will be presenting our options for reform and improvement of the World Trade Organization. The maintenance of a fair, rules-based international trading system is essential to protecting New Zealand\u2019s economic interests.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022782d47b38bb042fcb8b91089cfa02e14\u0022\u003EJamie Strange\u003C/span\u003E: How is the Government rebuilding public support for trade at home?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022429dd2615e504991ae903af5f7b0efe4\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: After years of dwindling public support in New Zealand for international trade, this Government has turned that around by going out and listening to people. We undertook extensive public meetings around CPTPP, around our ban on foreign buyers of existing homes, and on forestry investment rules. We recently launched the Trade for All agenda, which provides a forum for all sectors of civil society to make recommendations to the Government on how New Zealand conducts its trade policy. We believe it is critical that New Zealand remains an open, export-focused nation, but we need to ensure that the Government has the social licence to do so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297385452c05248a694d495d6c74ba4e9\u0022\u003EHon Todd McClay\u003C/span\u003E: Does he believe that the Pacific Alliance trade deal, launched by the previous Government last year, will enhance New Zealand\u2019s trade relations with Columbia, and if so, is he concerned that Columbia didn\u2019t turn up to the most recent negotiations hosted by his Government, held in New Zealand last month?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f2cc395040d4c1c82bc98c4f751aee5\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, we were concerned by that. It was occasioned by the fact that the new Colombian Government has not yet decided whether it wishes to pursue the Pacific trade alliance. I\u2019ve also seen recent comments from other South American countries that say that the Pacific Alliance is less important to them because they now have CPTTP.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002266fdb84f979b4f6aaacfa073232555a9\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u2014Economic Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u00222564350c4f10409da277af33ba7980bc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222564350c4f10409da277af33ba7980bc\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Economic Development: What are the key elements of the Government\u2019s economic development strategy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u0022a168f534d555426d9036c55ae01772d7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a168f534d555426d9036c55ae01772d7\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Minister for Economic Development):\u003C/span\u003E There are four main parts to our plan for growth: firstly, strengthening the foundations of future success by developing new points of comparative advantage; secondly, in the farming and tourism sectors, we need to add more value to volume while reducing adverse impacts on the environment\u2014we believe this will add value both via efficiency improvements and by enhancing the brand we rely upon for premium prices\u2014thirdly, we need to leverage new opportunities, many of which are adjacent to our existing key sectors\u2014that\u2019s important to lift productivity and exports and enable higher-value land uses as well\u2014and, fourthly, we need to back the industries of the future, positioning New Zealand as a hub for world-leading innovation linked to global value chains. We\u2019re doing all this as we move New Zealand\u2019s economy away from its reliance on speculation and immigration.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee06b03ae2c1458bbca085f6523ebec5\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: How does increasing the cost of doing business fit into the economic development strategy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258ce42694fe249f98fc4df2d0382d40e\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, if the member\u2019s referring to the price of oil, that\u2019s beyond our control. If the member\u2019s suggesting that we follow the Argentinian example of fixing exchange rates, well, the only thing I can say is that\u2019s a Muldoon-ian heritage that he shares with other people on that side of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dcf2a9af9ffb4112bb41d906c8141156\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he think increasing petrol taxes by 24c a litre of petrol in the space of just three years will increase the cost of doing business?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002242c1c7cec4e04089a903abb98f3abb47\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, it will actually free up traffic congestion in Auckland and make our economy more efficient. It will also reduce travel times for people as they go to and from work, and it will assist in increasing productivity in a way that the prior Government was never able to achieve after nine years of pretty lacklustre economic performance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7bd5321281042ef9f330d0c48efe330\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: If investing in transport infrastructure is such a priority for economic development, why doesn\u2019t he insist that the lion\u2019s share of the $3 billion Provincial Growth Fund be devoted to priority transport infrastructure?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b487cb460f1c4c7aa70c52992978dd13\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Because that would be a waste of money. It would fund lower-value infrastructure projects, and it would not achieve what I believe is the most important attribute of the Provincial Growth Fund, which is to bring forward new points of comparative advantage, to grow productivity, and to increase job prospects and incomes in the regions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b5230393abae47d29f0447bf50079a0a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 12\u2014Revenue\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022 data-id=\u00223477d06c457f47f390cce43ae1dcebd6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223477d06c457f47f390cce43ae1dcebd6\u0022\u003EANDREW BAYLY (National\u2014Hunua)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Revenue: Does he stand by all the Government\u2019s policies and actions in relation to the revenue portfolio?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022 data-id=\u0022f25f8ba81ca74c87a43dd50ce11ad42a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f25f8ba81ca74c87a43dd50ce11ad42a\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK (Associate Minister of Finance) \u003C/span\u003Eon behalf of the Minister of Revenue: On behalf of the Minister of Revenue, yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228aee87deda4e44e1b9aca471d4613d1c\u0022\u003EAndrew Bayly\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister believe that IRD has in place the necessary resources to collect the expected additional $2.5 billion of new taxes introduced by the Labour \u2013 New Zealand First Government, including the revenue from fuel taxes\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a67d62c4aec4debbda5e223c9034143\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member has finished the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022414cea1c9650468ba112c20d13f6e8b1\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: I question some of the premises in the member\u2019s question, but what I would say is that there never is 100 percent compliance with tax policy, but the IRD does a pretty good job by world standards.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af93af4233ce4cb1afbf488ba8bccff0\u0022\u003EAndrew Bayly\u003C/span\u003E: How much additional GST revenue does he expect IRD to collect from the 40c increase in the cost of petrol?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002271202e469a92402c8a07a016ebc1882c\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a very specific question. If the member wishes to put it down in writing, I\u2019m sure an answer will be provided.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd880da2a90246e299578f96515e99e0\u0022\u003EAndrew Bayly\u003C/span\u003E: What certainty can he give to the House that overseas suppliers of goods sold online will comply with the requirements to collect GST from consumers and not be a disaster from a revenue-collection perspective, as noted by an EY tax partner earlier today?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a38021da5cc94670988b989232097526\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a useful question to ask, and I\u2019m very happy to answer it. To minimise the risk of any supplier leaving the New Zealand market, we\u2019ve designed the rules to be as simple and flexible as possible. And if we look across at Australia, my understanding is that Amazon, as a good example, is complying with the rules that have been put in place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220dcceb7e58704e09b5ea7be67a522ab5\u0022\u003EAndrew Bayly\u003C/span\u003E: What is the estimate of the cost of collecting tax revenue from a capital gains tax, as proposed by the Tax Working Group?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022985de73b91a442c7bafa0702f5459c9b\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: The Tax Working Group final report will be released in February. It hasn\u2019t been released as yet, and when it is released in February, the Government will then look into it and form its priorities from there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022eb41dbf0163244e686607b442ada1a6a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11 to Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u00220073f5a091cc49ab80fbfd2b91c1cfb8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220073f5a091cc49ab80fbfd2b91c1cfb8\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Attorney-General):\u003C/span\u003E I should have done this at the end of my question. I seek leave to table a speech setting out the economic development vision for the Government. It is not on the web. I delivered it on 16 October, and I think the member opposite who asked the question would like to read it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00222c3959ee5ecf48339279ca87245004fe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222c3959ee5ecf48339279ca87245004fe\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll put that leave to the House. Can I say that, in the future, there is a relatively simple system for ensuring that is made available; it is called an envelope. The question is should the document be tabled. Is there any objection? No objection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225a90bf7534be4313a16887a32a16ac16\u0022\u003EEducation Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00229891096ab1cd4182a157f651e91c4515\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u002290e04e8350464c23b8d14717f347456d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002290e04e8350464c23b8d14717f347456d\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Education Amendment Bill be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThis is a watershed moment for New Zealand\u2019s quality public education system. It is a moment in which we put education over ideology and we reject the notions of privatisation and deregulation, instead returning our focus to a quality public education system for all New Zealanders. This bill is a major first step in fulfilling the Government\u2019s promises for education. It delivers on the commitments made by the Labour Party, the New Zealand First Party, and the Green Party, through successive elections, to put the focus back on quality public education that works for all New Zealanders. We have a collective vision as a Government for a quality education system for actually measuring a student\u2019s progress across the whole of the New Zealand Curriculum, for restoring student and staff voice and representation in the education system, and for a schooling system that supports all of the children in it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThis bill delivers on these commitments. It strengthens the quality of school education by removing national standards, which did not work and which prevented teachers from doing the job of teaching young New Zealanders. It removes the charter school model from New Zealand law and brings an end to the privatisation and deregulation of our public school system. It improves the governance of our tertiary education institutions by restoring places for elected staff and students on their councils. It supports the introduction of fees-free tertiary education by making it an offence to make a false representation about an application for free tertiary education, and it improves the new strategic planning and reporting framework for State and State-integrated schools, and I will speak to each of those provisions now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EWe are removing national standards. They were neither national, nor were they standard. They led to an enormous increase in workload and compliance costs for schools, and they did not lead to an improvement in student outcomes. They were passed by the incoming National Government at the end of 2008, under urgency. They didn\u2019t send them to a select committee, which is ironic, because they\u2019re now accusing us of being undemocratic in their removal. This bill went all the way through the democratic process, including a full select committee hearing at which every New Zealander could have their say on it, unlike the introduction of them, which was passed in a matter of hours, under urgency, by the incoming National Government. National standards were a woeful failure and will for ever be a blight on the track record of the previous National Government, because they showed that they were putting ideology over education\u2014the obsession with measurement and accountability over what is in the best interests of New Zealand children. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EWhile national standards were introduced and implemented, the performance of New Zealand children went backwards. They did not improve the ability of New Zealand kids to read, write, and do maths. In fact, during the time national standards were in place, that got worse. So we want to see the focus go back on teaching and learning because that is the thing that is going to improve the lot of young New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThis bill removes charter schools from New Zealand law. We are committed to having a quality public education system. When it comes to disadvantaged young New Zealanders, we do not believe they should have to be driven out of the public education system to get the education they deserve, and that is what the members opposite continue to argue for. They continue to talk about M\u0101ori and Pasifika educational achievement as if the answer to that is to take a handful of them out of the public education system and put them in a deregulated education system, where the safeguards are not in place to protect them. We don\u2019t agree with that approach. We think the answer to M\u0101ori and Pasifika educational achievement in New Zealand is to make sure every public school in the country is delivering them the education that they deserve, and that is what this Government is going to deliver. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003ETo give two examples of the failures of the charter school system: first, we had a charter school fail within the first year of operation, and the money still has not come back\u2014and probably never will come back\u2014into the public education system. Millions of dollars were flushed down the drain by the members opposite in the name of their ideology of charter schools. The second example happened under this Government, where we had to step in to stop a charter school closing in the middle of the school year and putting kids out on the street, because they had a lease that expired in the middle of the school year and they couldn\u2019t renew it. That\u2019s the kind of dodgy, slap-up model of education that was being promoted by members on the other side. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EWe don\u2019t believe in that. We believe that we should have a quality, robust education system that delivers all young New Zealanders the quality of education they should have, that has qualified, registered teachers who actually know what they\u2019re doing delivering education to young New Zealanders\u2014they should be teaching to the New Zealand Curriculum\u2014and that should have education, first and foremost, as its priority. The privatised, deregulated model of charter schooling did not guarantee those things. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003ENow, as for the claims by the members opposite that those existing partnership schools, as they call them, which everyone knows to be charter schools\u2014to claim that they are being closed is wrong, because, actually, we recognise that while the model was flawed, there were some people within it who had absolutely the right intentions. So we will work with them, and we have been working with them, to transition them into the public education system so that they can continue to do what they are passionate about, which is educating young New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EIt is absolutely wrong for the members opposite to continue to mislead and claim that those schools are being closed when they know they are not. But, what\u2019s more, it is also wrong for them to trash the reputation of the schools that are transitioning into the public education system before they\u2019ve had the chance to do that. By saying that those schools will no longer be able to do and no longer be able to deliver equality of education to the kids in their schools, they are trashing the reputation of those schools, and they are not putting the best interests of the kids who are attending those schools at the forefront of their consideration. That\u2019s not just me that\u2019s saying that; that\u2019s the operators of those schools who are saying that, who have been outraged at the way their kids have been politicised by the members opposite because they are not operating in the best interests of those kids, and that is what this Government is committed to doing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EWith regard to the governance changes for tertiary institutions they should never have been removed. The National Government said that it would be better\u2014we would get better governance of our polytechs, for example, if staff and students weren\u2019t on their councils. Well, how\u2019s that worked out? How\u2019s that actually worked out? We\u2019ve got a polytech system that is in the worst state that it has ever been. The Government has had to remove several of those councils because of chronic governance failures. Millions and millions of dollars in taxpayer funding is having to go into bailing out those institutions because they have been failing, and that all happened under National\u2019s watch. When they were claiming they were going to improve the governance of those institutions, they failed spectacularly. Staff and students bring a legitimate perspective to the governance of those institutions. It\u2019s one that never should have been taken away and we are putting it back and we are making it right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThe final changes that I want to talk about are the changes to the strategic planning and reporting requirements that were introduced under the previous Government. We believe in those changes\u2014or at least most of us do believe in those changes\u2014but we think that they were being rushed. We need to take our time, and we need to get them right, and that is what the provisions in this bill allow for. They change the time frames, and they ensure that we will get that right so that schools have the ability to plan for the future and that the interests of their kids are being put first in that process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThis bill fulfils commitments that all three of the parties in Government made during the election campaign and committed to when we became the Government. We have worked hand in hand to deliver these changes for New Zealand because we know that they are going to be in the best interests of our education system. I want to particularly acknowledge the members of the Education and Workforce Committee\u2014the Labour, New Zealand First, and Green members in particular\u2014who worked as a cohesive, stable, solid team to deliver these changes which are going to be in the best interests of all New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022 data-id=\u00226c301b318a524d9fb2aecc38ad423bad\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226c301b318a524d9fb2aecc38ad423bad\u0022\u003EHon NIKKI KAYE (National\u2014Auckland Central):\u003C/span\u003E Look, I cannot believe the speech that we have just had from the Minister of Education. He has said this is a watershed moment in New Zealand\u2019s history. I\u2019ll tell you what a watershed moment is: a watershed moment is the fact that, as of today, with this legislation, there is an urgency application in the Waitangi Tribunal. They are a Government that claim they care about Crown-M\u0101ori relations, and they are pushing through legislation for no urgent reason but to get rid of partnership schools. Here is my message to the iwi leaders of New Zealand who have backed these schools: we believe in you, and we will bring partnership schools back. Under a future National Government, we will bring the model back and we will expand those partnership schools. Why? Not because we believe in ideology but because we actually believe in vulnerable young people and helping kids with complex needs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EIt is not just the National Party that believes this; we heard from the schools. We heard from the schools not only about their achievement. We saw the Martin Jenkins report. We saw the huge independent evaluations of partnership schools. And do you know what? It isn\u2019t just the National Party that believes in these schools; it\u2019s Sir Toby Curtis, it\u2019s Dame Iritana, it\u2019s Lance O\u2019Sullivan, it\u2019s huge M\u0101ori leaders\u2014the t\u014Dtaras of M\u0101ori education\u2014who have supported these partnership schools. And do you know what? It isn\u2019t just the National Party. It\u2019s also Willie Jackson and Kelvin Davis, who, prior to the election, said they believed in these schools. Kelvin Davis said that he would resign if these schools closed. We believe in partnership schools, and it is a very sad day for New Zealand to see this legislation going through the House. It is about ideology, and I am very sad for those students who have had to be put through this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EI do want to acknowledge the leaders from partnership schools: Alwyn Poole, Karen Poole, Nick Hyde, Raewyn T\u012Bpene, Roanna Bennett. I know that it\u2019s been a really tough time for you. The National Party has not trashed their reputation. We have spent months fighting for these schools to ensure that they don\u2019t close. We realise that today is, effectively, the legislative process to get rid of the model, but we also know that we completely disagree with the Minister of Education\u2019s process around terminating the contracts\u2014effectively, publicly before the legal process but also prior to this legislation occurring. The question that we have asked for the people of New Zealand has been: what is the cost of that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003ESo we won\u2019t take a lecture from the Minister of Education around the costs around partnership schools, because there is a secret amount of compensation and deals that have gone on to transition these school to designated character schools, which is not in the public domain, and the estimates that we\u2019ve had from the Minister and the ministry is that that could be around $30 million. So we support these schools. We know they\u2019ve been through a tough time. We really hope that they are successful under the designated character model, but it is not the same as a partnership school model. There are some fundamental differences. Those differences are flexibility and management, and flexibility and funding.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EBut I do want to make this point, which is what we made throughout the process, and, again, I want to quote the Prime Minister here. She said there would be a pathway for these schools if they, effectively, had registered teachers, followed the Curriculum, and had comparable funding. Well, here are the facts. The facts are that just like every other school in New Zealand, there is limited authority to teach. There are unregistered teachers in other schools in New Zealand. The facts are that the partnership schools were following the Curriculum. The facts are that, actually, the partnership schools had a comparable amount of money, and it was worked out on a formula level to a State school.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003ESo the reality is that these schools and this model have gone because of the Minister\u2019s blatant ideology, not because of what\u2019s best for schools. The Labour Party has continued to spread misinformation about the model. National will bring these schools back because we fundamentally believe not only in the iwi leaders who have gone behind these schools; we believe in the people who established these schools. We believe in the fact that Martin Jenkins has said that these schools have done a good job, and that\u2019s why we will bring back partnership schools.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EThe second issue that I want to cover\u2014again, to get a lecture from the Minister of Education about ideology\u2014is national standards. We accept\u2014and, in fact, I was the Minister that put a Cabinet paper through last year\u2014that we want to transition to a system of progression. We accept that. We put through the Cabinet paper last year to do that. But what we hoped\u2014and what I did with that Cabinet paper\u2014was that we could get cross-party agreement and work with schools over a two-year period to ensure that they had not only the Curriculum resources and the ICT systems to improve quality reporting for parents; but we also believe in accountability around that data.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EWhat the Minister of Education did was rip up any cross-party agreement late last year\u2014this is, effectively, legislation that cleans up what he\u2019s already done. Late last year, he scrapped national standards by changing the national advisory guideline. He did that without consulting a million parents. And do you know what? It might be novel to the Labour Party, but we actually back parents. We actually believe that they have a right to have a say in the reporting system for their children, and it\u2019s a Labour Government that took that away late last year and is now passing legislation to clean that up. It is not correct to say that somehow there\u2019s been a select committee process around national standards, when they already got rid of national standards at the end of last year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003ESo my plea to the Government, my plea to all of those educators out there, is to know that we do support moving to a system of progression. We believe that the teaching profession needs to be supported in the way that we do that. We believe there should be some data that comes back to the Ministry of Education for this single reason: we need to be able to stand alongside many other countries in the world and demonstrate that we have a good understanding of the nationwide picture of achievement. That is a partnership between the profession and the Government. We need to do that because we need to be able to target some of our most vulnerable young people in areas like numeracy and literacy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EWhat the Government has done is they have moved ahead of the sector. There is now chaos and confusion in some schools because they are not clear what the status of national standards has been. And also, we don\u2019t have that nationwide picture of achievement at an individual school level, and that means that we\u2019re not going to be able to help some of our most vulnerable people. That is why the National Party has opposed this bill. Our plea to the Government is: stop trying to be so ideological and be so arrogant in the way that you are doing these things. Work across the House around a system of nationwide achievement. Work across the House around models like partnership schools for disadvantaged young people, because we owe it to the parents of New Zealand and we owe it to the families of those children in schools like partnership schools.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EI do want to acknowledge that in this bill there have been a number of other changes, including to the tertiary education and governance model. But I think I want to end my speech on this note: again, we all come into politics to help young people. I don\u2019t know a member of this House\u2014and it doesn\u2019t matter what side of politics you\u2019re on. Everybody thinks about how we can ensure that we have equality of opportunity? What makes me so sad about this bill is that there is so much in this that cuts to the heart of how you deliver that equality of opportunity\u2014how you ensure that we know where those young people might not have the skills that they need to succeed in life.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EIt is about recognising that there is not a one-size-fits-all approach to education; that, actually, we back innovation, we back iwi, we back the education entrepreneurs of this world, and that we accept there are multiple ways to deliver education. I\u2019m proud to come from a party that backs private schools, that backs State-integrated schools, that backs partnership schools, but also that believes in a strong public education system. I reject the notion that we can somehow believe only in a public education system in New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EThere are multiple other people who make a huge difference to the lives of New Zealanders. If we\u2019re going to continue to have that ideological debate, we\u2019re going to continue to leave a group of young people behind. That is why we have been incredibly sad about this bill. We make a plea to the Government at this last hour: why have you done this? Why have you ignored the Waitangi Tribunal and the urgent claim there? Why are you scrapping these schools? We believe in partnership schools. We believe in accountability. We believe in good reporting to parents. We believe in the power of teachers and principals, and this is a very sad day for New Zealand. It is a watershed moment. That Government chose ideology and not what\u2019s best for young people, and we support young people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u0022e4c573e97e5e4084aca2aacc42197b00\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e4c573e97e5e4084aca2aacc42197b00\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E What a load of nonsense from the previous speaker, Nikki Kaye. As the only person in this House who has set up a charter school, I think I come from a much more informed base. What a load of nonsense, in terms of the M\u0101ori leadership and what they\u2019re trying to do at the moment\u2014M\u0101ori leadership who are very close to myself: Sir Toby Curtis, my wife\u2019s uncle; Whaea Iritana T\u0101whiwhirangi, someone we love very much, particularly M\u0101ori members in this House; and Lance O\u2019Sullivan, who doesn\u2019t know what political party to join and is disoriented most of the time, sadly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWhen you talk about M\u0101ori independence, when you talk about tino rangatiratanga, try to come from an informed base, because that member is not coming from an informed base at all. M\u0101ori tried the system out\u2014the system that the National Party allocated 0.1 percent of their funding to. That was their commitment to charter schools. They weren\u2019t interested in charter schools. My whanaunga Hekia Parata was involved in it. They were not interested. I know this because Mr Seymour told me. So I know that for an absolute fact. Now they\u2019re interested because it serves their political purposes. Now they are the great advocates for M\u0101ori. Now they\u2019re worried about what\u2019s happening. At the end of nine years\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8dd1a3e00324c77a7f7e39fbe9587ee\u0022\u003ENuk Korako\u003C/span\u003E: Fifty-nine Treaty settlements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226748102a236a48eda2d0a2161fa508a0\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014we found out, and that M\u0101ori member should know\u201434 percent of M\u0101ori leave school without qualifications.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8ba978c17d747fba85bc94b6322d4ce\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: So what are you doing about it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f74c4c8758b4cceb49cb7e25b35d877\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: What we\u2019re doing about it is we\u2019re going to get a mainstream right to incorporate the values and the principles we learnt.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI know, you see, because we set up a school, and we set up a school because it was going to be set up less than one kilometre from our marae\u2014less than one kilometre from our marae. And when we heard that, we felt at the Manukau Urban M\u0101ori Authority that we should give this a shot. It wasn\u2019t about embracing the free market model that Nikki Kaye and the National Party and David Seymour want to promote. It wasn\u2019t about embracing that; it was about embracing our tamariki. It was about embracing our kids, giving our children opportunity. And in our organisation, we dealt with prisoners who had to go back into the community. We dealt with disorientated youth. We dealt with domestic violence. We dealt with every aspect of Te Ao M\u0101ori. So we decided to give the charter school a crack\u2014and why not? We put up my wife as the principal\u2014my wife, who\u2019s been a long-time educator. And we had people like Barbara Ala\u2019alatoa and others who were advisers and supporters. We gave it a crack. Why wouldn\u2019t we give it a crack when your kids are failing? We gave it a crack, and our kids came through the system and did well. There\u2019s no doubt about that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EBut through that process there were a lot of anomalies that appeared in terms of our school\u2014the compliance and the reportage were just ridiculous. My wife was working until one o\u2019clock in the morning every night trying to get reportage back to maintain that school. It\u2019s ridiculous. Mr Seymour knows this. He acknowledged this. We had compliance costs on my\u2014I would say today if I supported charter schools, I would not be standing for the Labour Party now. But we saw at the coalface, when a board was meeting every night, when the principal was working till one o\u2019clock in the morning, when a small community organisation had to foot every cost because the National Party only wanted to give 0.1 percent to the charter schools, that it was a flawed model\u2014a flawed model.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c878dd2874b4c49b27ed5eaa1206377\u0022\u003ESimeon Brown\u003C/span\u003E: How did the children do at your school?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022061bf87188d94da5a742ce70da02f02b\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: The student achievements at charter schools were expected to be\u2014some schools were at least meant to be 20 percent higher than mainstream. And we were dealing with students who were excluded from mainstream that had already been given up on. So stop trying to promote something that clearly, clearly wasn\u2019t working for us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eeebcbbb6d474819a9d1031c19904c0b\u0022\u003EBrett Hudson\u003C/span\u003E: The member said it did work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c57cd9a49aec466193ae15e8082fc38a\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: You make things work\u2014you make things work within the system. You know, you can change as you go through. We would try anything to turn around our kids\u2014anything. And the reality is that just because we embraced the model for a little while, it did not mean that mainstream shouldn\u2019t work. As our Minister of Education said today, mainstream should allow and embrace all kids. Mainstream should embrace all kids. We need to learn the lessons in terms of the charter schools\u2014learn the lessons in terms of tikanga M\u0101ori, in terms of wh\u0101nau ora, in terms of looking after prisoners when they come back into the society. A quarter of our kids\u2019 fathers were in jail. Should mainstream still be looking after those kids? Of course they should\u2014of course they should. These are the things we did under charter schools. We should be able to do them under mainstream. There is acknowledgment from everyone that that could and should happen. So we have become converts; we challenged mainstream. We said, \u201CThis is what we do. Can we embrace? Can we change? Can we do things?\u201D The answer is yes, yes, yes, yes. And you can do it in a character school; you can do it in an integrated school\u2014[Interruption]. You can. You don\u2019t know\u2014you weren\u2019t involved. You\u2019re not involved. All you\u2019re interested in putting down this side. You have no experience.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EOur people who have worked at the coalface\u2014people you appointed, like Barbara Ala\u2019alatoa, worked on my board. They were our advisers; they were our supporters, and now they\u2019re saying mainstream must adopt and embrace what we have learnt within the charter school system. Stop waffling on about stuff you don\u2019t know. And M\u0101ori here, stop trying to challenge us about what we are doing. In terms of our M\u0101ori leadership, they are a leadership who I have the utmost respect for in terms of things they\u2019ve done through their lives. But on this particular kaupapa, they are being used by the National Party and by the ACT Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237fc8a4c8c7644dd9e8acd7f48670de3\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Shame on you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6a2a000fbec43039db282f897dd9072\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Shame on you\u2014I\u2019ve told them to their faces. I tell them to their faces. These are people who I\u2019ve worked with who wouldn\u2019t even know if you walked across and met them\u2014wouldn\u2019t even know who they were. We are being used. Iwi leadership who come to the party here, I asked them today to relook at what\u2019s happening here. We know that mainstream has not delivered at times in the past, but people like Jan Tinetti and others in this Whare today have learnt the lessons, have put the challenges, are putting the challenges to our Minister of Education, who has been terrific in accepting some of those challenges and saying to mainstream, \u201CMainstream should be for everyone.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EAnd the charter school model for us failed. David Seymour would say the same thing if he was being completely honest. He knows the type of support he got from the National Party, which was absolutely minimal\u2014absolutely minimal. They didn\u2019t care at all about what he was talking about. They just wanted to tick a box.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo I say today: congratulations to our party for listening to everyone, for accepting criticism, for understanding the M\u0101ori position. And myself, Peeni Henare, and Kelvin Davis stand by our schools, who have gone through quite a process. We reject some of the lies that have come in the Facebook posts and the madness that has come from some of the people who keep waffling on about these schools being closed. Not one school has been closed\u2014not one school has been closed. And even Alwyn Poole has become a convert and has said stop the rubbish and stop the lies. They have Alwyn Poole: the biggest critic of us early on is now a convert\u2014is now a convert. So the Opposition must understand that they have lost badly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca16c50657a146409112251a9b846894\u0022\u003ENuk Korako\u003C/span\u003E: Is that all you\u2019ve got? PR work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226bbe1d551763432d9b19dd82d8419525\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Stop trying to use M\u0101ori. Stop trying to promote something that is not true. A free market model, Nuk, will never, ever, ever resonate with our people. We must make mainstream understand our side of things in terms of tikanga M\u0101ori. Mainstream is doing that right across the spectrum and we should be able to do it in health and housing, and we\u2019re doing it now in education. And you have an obligation, Nuk Korako, to stand up today and support what we\u2019re doing instead of constantly putting out the waffle and nonsense that your right-wing\u2014anyway I won\u2019t carry on\u2014party waffles on about. N\u014D reira, t\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022 data-id=\u00225312c64a159f4e3eae1cf504d17a4191\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225312c64a159f4e3eae1cf504d17a4191\u0022\u003EDr PARMJEET PARMAR (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. That was a load of nonsense\u2014just a load of nonsense. I am taking this call to strongly\u2014I\u2019m saying strongly\u2014oppose this bill, the Education Amendment Bill. I\u2019ve never seen any member doing such a big U-turn after just a few months\u2019 time. Before this election, Willie Jackson was saying that he would resign if partnership schools closed. Today, he got up to give this big explanation and to tell us how his partnership school did, and he said that the students were doing better. The students were doing better, but they had to work harder, and that\u2019s the reason they don\u2019t support partnership schools. So it\u2019s not about students; it\u2019s not about students\u2019 performance; it\u2019s not about us putting in that hard work to help students to do better in their life; it\u2019s all about them, because it is the Government\u2019s stance. He has been forced to stand up and take this call. We can tell that in the way he has done a U-turn in this situation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s really embarrassing. He challenged my colleague Nuk Korako. Nuk Korako is here standing with senior M\u0101ori educators. It\u2019s that member who doesn\u2019t stand with those senior M\u0101ori educators. I have never seen someone undermining senior M\u0101ori educators like the member did just now. Why would they care about them because now they\u2019re in Government? Before the election, they were desperate to get into Government. They wanted to get that extra percentage of votes, and that\u2019s why they were saying everything to please those voters. But now, yep, they\u2019re in Government. Why would they care about the support that they received from M\u0101ori voters? They don\u2019t. This is their real side. This has exposed their real side, and this is really sad.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EM\u0101ori MPs in the Labour Government said that they would resign if partnership schools were closed, and now we have seen one member, who stood up, doing this big U-turn, saying that he supports the Government stance. We are here standing with M\u0101ori educators, and we are here standing with 1,500 students\u2014those who are doing really well in partnership schools. We could see that they can reach their potential through these schools. Yes, we agreed with the ACT Party to bring partnership schools in. The legislation was passed in 2012, and, yes, we had 12 schools in this short time since 2012, and the schools were giving us really good results. So we wanted to try this model and we did, and the model was working, and we are against the removal of this model from our education system. It was clear to us that the mainstream was not working for the students, and we wanted to provide them with another education model. What\u2019s wrong with that? Why would you put these students back in the mainstream where we know that they were not able to reach their potential?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EThis Government, as I heard from the Minister of Education before, said that, actually, they\u2019re not closing\u2014well, there is no continuity for partnership schools, because what is happening is that all these schools have been approved to be transitioned into State-integrated schools. It\u2019s not the same thing. There\u2019s a big difference in the two education model systems, because they\u2019re going to lose that flexibility that they have around teaching resources and the flexibility that they have around the governance model. That was the key thing in partnership schools that actually worked, and we want to retain that. That\u2019s why National is really proud to say that we will bring partnership schools back because we care about these students. We want to see all students, including M\u0101ori, Pasifika, and other disadvantaged students doing well in their life. They are taking away this model from a society, and the end result will be that these students are going to suffer, and then the whole community is going to suffer, because if a future\u2014that is, if children don\u2019t do well, the whole community and whole nation suffers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EThe other point in this bill: national standards. That is again another tool that was put in place by the previous National Government. We care about precise reporting systems because we want to see how students are doing in the big picture, but the Minister, the Hon Chris Hipkins, was saying that actually if parents want to see where their child is at in a competitive model, that is not helpful. So instead of going out and consulting with parents on what kind of reporting system parents want, the Minister is actually telling parents what kind of reporting system he\u2019s going to deliver. So this Government doesn\u2019t care about parents. They don\u2019t care about students\u2019 performance. They don\u2019t care about consulting. They don\u2019t care about the select committee process\u2014because, as the chair of the Education and Workforce Committee, I know the process we had to follow\u2014and they don\u2019t care about the M\u0101ori voice. They have undermined that strong voice. It is because of that\u2014those senior very, very respected members were pleading in the select committee, and when nobody heard, they went to the Waitangi Tribunal. And, again, they have undermined their claim that is still outstanding. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EWe have this third reading that means this bill will be passed. The other thing I want to bring to everybody\u2019s notice is with every piece of legislation, it\u2019s a requirement that we test our legislative content. This report here\u2014which I have, a departmental disclosure statement\u2014is dated 30 January. One of the things which was looked for in this bill, as is done for other bills as well, is consistency with the Government\u2019s Treaty of Waitangi obligations. Yes, we have this obligation under the Treaty of Waitangi to see that it is in line with our obligation under the Treaty of Waitangi. This was prepared on 30 January, and it was in June when the Crown was served that notice of the Treaty of Waitangi claim.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EI haven\u2019t seen this redone. Why hasn\u2019t this been redone? Why hasn\u2019t the assessment been done again? We have heard no explanation from the Government or the Minister if the criteria is fulfilled, given the current circumstances. We\u2019re really disappointed, because this bill is actually going to damage our education system. Parents want to see where their child is, whether they are at national standards, they\u2019re below national standards, or they\u2019re above national standards. And if there is a child performing below national standards, they can set goals to help their child to go to that level of the national standard. Or, a child that is at national standards can be helped to improve to do better\u2014that is, to get above national standards. What\u2019s wrong with setting such goals? What\u2019s wrong? Nothing. So this Minister is going to take away that aspiration from students to do better and aspiration from parents to help their children do better in school because the reporting system that the Minister wants to put in place means nothing\u2014means nothing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003ESo we are disappointed. Since we started the first reading of this bill\u2014yes, we opposed this bill, but by the third reading, the list of reasons why we are opposing it has grown. There are more compelling reasons, which I have already talked about, including the Treaty of Waitangi claim.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EThen another component in this bill is about the fees-free education. So the Minister is introducing a new offence. Yeah. So they didn\u2019t think about the policy properly before the election, because so close to election, they just wanted it to be a vote-grabbing thing. Yes, they did that. They might have got some votes out of that, at the cost of $2.8 billion of taxpayers\u2019 money. Now, he\u2019s realised, actually, yeah, some people can misrepresent themselves and take advantage of that system that is available for free, so we should have some kind of offence. What kind of homework did he do where he introduced the policy first and now he wants to have this new offence introduced in this legislation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EHe didn\u2019t think about the unintended consequences, and now we don\u2019t have the data, because we don\u2019t know what kinds of degrees people obtained 15 or 20 years ago. We don\u2019t have any electronic data for 20-30 years ago about what people did. So there is no way the ministry is going to be able to verify the information. So for the Minister to stand up and say, actually, that \u201CNo, there is no data suggesting that people are misrepresenting.\u201D\u2014who\u2019s going to believe that? There is nothing that the Minister can verify it against\u2014there is nothing. So that is why this new offence is created by the Minister. And, again, the new offence that is created by the Minister is a joke\u2014up to $5,000.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EI think the Minister doesn\u2019t realise that when you give something out for free, at a cost of $2.8 billion of taxpayers\u2019 money, you have to be more accountable. He doesn\u2019t want to be accountable for anything. He doesn\u2019t want to be accountable for a free education system, he doesn\u2019t want to be accountable for a reporting system, and he doesn\u2019t want to be measured for his own performance. That is why he has taken away this national standards system of reporting, because, at the end, we can clearly see how many children are at national standard, how many children are above national standard, and how many children are below national standard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EThe Minister didn\u2019t want to be measured using these national standard achievements for his own performance. That is the reason the Minister is getting rid of national standards. It\u2019s a big cover up. It\u2019s nothing about education. It\u2019s nothing about student\u2019s performance. It\u2019s nothing about parents. It\u2019s the two-way street between unions and the Labour Party. They\u2019re just looking after each other, and we are disappointed. I strongly oppose this bill. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u00225fcbe0b5a7114419b01e5babe114fad8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225fcbe0b5a7114419b01e5babe114fad8\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. I rise on behalf of New Zealand First to strongly support the Education Amendment Bill, but can I just say that that was bizarre. The contribution by the member who just resumed her seat, Parmjeet Parmar, was bizarre. And the fact that she is the chair of the Education and Workforce Committee concerns me immensely. We need to have a conversation about that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EThe reason why it concerns me is\u2014let\u2019s just take what she ended on, which was around national standards. She obviously did not listen to her own education spokesperson, the Hon Nikki Kaye, who, in her contribution on numerous occasions, has talked about the fact that the Hon Nikki Kaye, when she was the Minister of Education, took a Cabinet paper to the previous Cabinet\u2014her own National Party Cabinet\u2014saying that national standards had failed. This was a Cabinet paper. It was only at the beginning of this debate that the Hon Nikki Kaye stood up and articulated that. It was during the negotiations that the Rt Hon Bill English articulated the same thing. The National Party had already recognised they were not working and needed to move to progressions. Goodness me! Somebody inform the National Party chair of the Education and Workforce Committee please, before we go much further into this term.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EIt is amazing to me that the National Party finally realised that national standards weren\u2019t working, and now\u2014and now\u2014articulate, \u201CBut what is to replace them?\u201D when it was a National Minister of Education who created the New Zealand Curriculum. This is concerning too. Apparently, none of the speakers on the Opposition side are even aware of what is in the New Zealand Curriculum, created under the guidance of Lockwood Smith, that has the progressions inside of them from year 1 through to year 13 that are attached to every single part of the New Zealand Curriculum. It was a National Government that did it. But it was supposed to be introduced in 2008. The professional development was supposed to be rolled out in 2009. What happened in 2008? An election. What happened in 2009? National standards were rushed through under urgency and implemented inside the New Zealand education system\u2014completely crushing the amazingly good work of Dr Lockwood Smith. But there seems to be a bit of a lack of knowledge from the Opposition side. So that\u2019s concerning\u2014that\u2019s concerning.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s have a talk about the crocodile tears that are being used here and the rhetoric\u2014the amazing, descriptive rhetoric. It\u2019s an awful way that these children inside partnership or charter schools are being represented by that party. The language that they are using around these young people is incredibly concerning\u2014incredibly concerning. I\u2019m not going to repeat the descriptors that they have used, but I find it very interesting that that party, who refused to give alternative education, activity centres, and teen parent units any increase in funding over the decade that they were in power, now articulates about our most vulnerable students\u2014who were excluded or expelled and supposedly needed charter schools to be developed by that party\u2014when they were the ones who refused to actually implement any funding increase, even a Consumers Price Index increase, for the very skilled and committed individuals inside our alternative education sector. So it\u2019s crocodile tears to decide to set up something completely new while starving those that were already working for those very students and who had begged for more funding so that they could lift their performance, so that they could provide greater pastoral care, so that they could put consistency across the country\u2014it\u2019s crocodile tears.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EBut that is something that this Government is doing. That is what we are doing. We are going to make sure that every area inside what is English medium, M\u0101ori medium, and alternative education is appropriately funded and is well-designed, with the students at the centre\u2014not for political gain, but because those students deserve not to be set aside over somewhere else. We will not run a parallel system. These are our children, all of them, and we will keep them inside of our education system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EI thought the other thing that was incredibly interesting was the reference to the Martin Jenkins report. So let\u2019s just talk about the last of the Martin Jenkins report that was delivered on 6 April 2018. Now, let\u2019s remember this was a report commissioned by the previous Government into the performance of charter schools. The report failed to cover the schools\u2019 academic achievement because they had not been operating long enough and their NCEA data was presented in a way that was not comparable to that of other schools. So that was what Martin Jenkins said.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EI\u2019m not sure where the Opposition got their information from\u2014actually, I know where. It\u2019s in the glossy brochures that Vanguard Military School put out, it\u2019s in the glossy brochures that the Villa Education Trust schools put out\u2014that is where the Opposition got their information from when they\u2019re referring to how wonderful these schools were. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EI mean, there\u2019s no conflict of interest there, obviously, for those schools and their glossy brochures! There\u2019s obviously no conflict of interest there\u2014and that\u2019s sarcasm, if you didn\u2019t recognise it. But that is where I would suggest the Opposition has got their data from\u2014because this is what the Martin Jenkins report said. This is what Martin Jenkins, commissioned by that Government, said. An appendix to the report said that the consultants received three years of NCEA results for students in years 11 and 13 at these schools but that it was not possible to know how many students had achieved the NCEA level expected for their year group. It said that also made it impossible to compare the charter school data with figures from other schools.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EThen we go on to another report that has revealed that charter school pass rates \u201Care out of line with State schools.\u201D The reported \u201Cexam results of the controversial schools \u2018gave an imperfect representation of overall school performance\u2019, an analysis given to Minister Hekia Parata states.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c78b063dde374b5d939361512db4eb2e\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Did you visit?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261a1c80231b94d53993c6d4bdbcd065e\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: Actually, I visited Vanguard Military School. I have visited the charter school up in Whangarei. I have visited\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236fad38995a949a696084def9691b472\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Is that where you thought the dogs were?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002214c12bb73c3d49f08bc47ee2641b7cbf\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, he we go. It\u2019s not the answer, unfortunately, the member wanted. I have visited charter schools. I have visited with Alwyn Poole while the idea was being floated, and I explained to Alwyn Poole, as he explained to me the deal he had been promised with regard to levels of funding to meet his private school funding\u2014the deal he had been offered by the National Government at that time\u2014and I clearly articulated to Mr Poole, in that moment, they will not remain: \u201CThey will not remain. Please, Mr Poole, do not put yourself in debt for these schools, because when there is a Labour \u2013 New Zealand First \u2013 Green Government, they will be gone.\u201D And today is that day. He was told. They were all told. It has been 100 percent transparent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EBut let\u2019s get back to this. The NCEA exam results dropped massively from charter schools when brought in line with State schools. The reported results were inflated, because the charter schools, also known as partnership schools, were using a different method from State schools to report the pass rates. The report showed Vanguard Military School on Auckland\u2019s North Shore and Te Kura Hourua in Whangarei reported they had met their NCEA 2014 leaver targets but when the figures were analysed they did not. Vanguard reported a 100 percent pass rate for NCEA level 2. However, when revised in line with NCEA standards, it dropped to just 60 percent. That is below State schools.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019m not quite sure where the Opposition gets their data from, but, if it\u2019s from glossy brochures from those who are promoting themselves, I suggest it\u2019s not a valuable source. I suggest that they go to the reports given to Hekia Parata that showed quite clearly this model was failing. I want to assure the New Zealand public that this side of the House is going to get the education system for all our students back on line and performing how it needs to. We\u2019re not going to sideline some individuals. This is a good day for New Zealand education.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022 data-id=\u00225ffc04cf35f441c4a76135760c502779\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225ffc04cf35f441c4a76135760c502779\u0022\u003EDENISE LEE (National\u2014Maungakiekie):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. It is extraordinary what we have heard in relation to partnership or charter or kura hourua schools this afternoon. This is the final reading, and when we\u2019re finished speeches here this afternoon, that\u2019s it: the model has gone. What we\u2019ve heard from the Minister of Education himself\u2014I need to go back to Hansard and read, but I am 99 percent sure he said that charter schools, kura hourua, are a dodgy model of education. He certainly used the word \u201Cdodgy\u201D, and if anyone\u2019s listening here this afternoon who is involved in any partnership schools, kura hourua, your Minister of Education used the word \u201Cdodgy\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003EAnd then we had Willie Jackson. He\u2019s not T\u0101 Willie Jackson, like T\u0101 Toby Curtis is; he is Willie Jackson. He said\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dafe89cdd6a8433c81911f25f7bd72b3\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s the Hon Willie Jackson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278218cbe4cb549608f67128f026e0700\u0022\u003EDENISE LEE\u003C/span\u003E: All right. Well, he\u2019s not T\u0101 Willie Jackson; he\u2019s the Hon Willie Jackson, and he wasn\u2019t behaving honourably, because he, in one fell swoop\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227c7d41a9e8d24f1190958fb99154ca6e\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will withdraw and apologise for that comment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235e7f6c05b4044ae9126fb5801eabb0a\u0022\u003EDENISE LEE\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise. But here\u2019s what he said: \u201CThe model, kura hourua, clearly wasn\u2019t working for us.\u201D\u2014and by that he meant M\u0101ori. Then he also said to eminent M\u0101ori iwi leaders that they clearly don\u2019t know what they are talking about and they have been led astray. That is offensive and they should, and will, take action.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003ESo here\u2019s how it has played out: those on the other side of the House campaigned to scrap charter schools, they came into power, they terminated contracts, and they\u2019ve held sham negotiations to force schools into a State model without acknowledging what would be lost. Meanwhile, they then introduced the bill that we\u2019re going to sign off here\u2014well, they are going to sign off; we\u2019re not\u2014and we sit in hearings, me and other members of the Education and Workforce Committee, and we hear members of schools, parents, and students imploring us to keep these schools open, or at least give it some transition time. Then the Minister puts out a press release not just saying but celebrating that they\u2019re gone. It was predetermined, celebrating the closure of these schools\u2014no negotiations or hearings. Hardly anyone from the other side visited these schools and talked to students. The schools were held over a barrel. Try and deny it. They can\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003EI have a question for the Minister, and it really comes off the back of the extraordinary words from the Hon Willie Jackson, and that\u2019s in regards to kaupapa M\u0101ori and kaupapa Pasifika. These are principles\u2014and no one here would deny it\u2014that are bigger and bolder and more intrinsic than politics, more intrinsic than education principles and policies. It is not about what we do; kaupapa M\u0101ori and kaupapa Pasifika is who we are. We all know it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003ENow, the other side of the House may think that we\u2019re playing a political game, so I\u2019ll take the words away from me and I\u2019ll give the words back to those who had a voice in the hearings. I think they deserve a voice back here again today. Kaupapa M\u0101ori and kaupapa Pasifika, learning about mana, I am but a shadow, but we heard from the likes of T\u0101 Toby Curtis, Pem Bird, Dame Iritana, John Morris, Sir La\u2018auli Savae Michael Jones, and Dame Tariana Turia. Just two of them alone, T\u0101 Toby Curtis and Dame Iritana, have 130 years between them\u2014just the two of them\u2014in M\u0101ori education. They speak with the backing of the Iwi Chairs Forum. And here\u2019s the difference: the other side of the House thinks that things just carry on. Well, they don\u2019t. Here are the differences: flexibility in allocation of resources\u2014give us the assurance for that; autonomy of management\u2014give us the assurance for that; freedom to innovate\u2014can you lock that down for us; genuine accountability for quality achievement results for M\u0101ori learners\u2014they want to meet the needs of their rangatahi\u2014can you ensure that for us here this afternoon?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003EDo you understand the leaders and the weight of the responsibility that they feel and why they turned up to our select committee to pour their hearts out? For T\u0101 Toby Curtis, it was personal, and I sat there and saw him, heard him, and listened to him. These are the sorts of words that he said: \u201CI was short-changed\u201D\u2014this is what T\u0101 Toby Curtis said\u2014\u201Cin education. The English language does not cater for my emotional, cultural, and spiritual intelligence, but this is the first time that we have had a P\u0101keh\u0101 process succeeding with M\u0101ori children.\u201D That does not stack up with what Willie Jackson said just moments ago. Ask yourself: why do these leaders, these iwi leaders, need to use the following terminology? This is what they said: \u201CWe deplore the lack of consultation.\u201D You, the Government, are irreparably harming M\u0101oridom. This is good old-fashioned bullying, and the Minister doesn\u2019t want to talk to anyone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003EAnd on the Pasifika front, Sir La\u2018auli Savae Michael Jones said, \u201CIf you\u2019re determined to dismantle the model, know what you are doing. The solutions to our community are within our community.\u201D He said, \u201COur pioneers have dreamt of this.\u201D And I really like this: he said, \u201CMy mum dreamt of this.\u201D She is a school teacher. He went on to say, \u201CWe had four months to set up a school with those who are most disengaged from their normal schooling community, and it\u2019s been the most amazing waka. We are the first Pacific Islands secondary school in New Zealand, and we are unique in the world. Too many of our rangatahi are in the truant space, and we wanted to do something about it. It\u2019s a gift to us. We want to fiercely protect it, and we are now having to fight for it.\u201D That\u2019s Sir Michael Jones\u2019 words.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003ESo where are we now? Eleven kura hourua closed by this Christmas, a Treaty settlement claim, and now a request for urgency for that claim. This Government has backed them all into a corner. It\u2019s the ultimate case of smashing a square peg into a round hole, and the schools just simply haven\u2019t fit the union-driven, Labour-laden ideology. They now obviously value brazen political point-scoring and payback over k\u0101wanatanga, governance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003EKei te whakanuia te kaupapa o ng\u0101 kura hourua. Kei te mihi ki ng\u0101 kaimahi m\u014D ng\u0101 tamariki tauira M\u0101ori, ng\u0101 tamariki tauira Pasifika, ng\u0101 tamariki katoa o ng\u0101 kura hourua; \u0113nei kura ng\u0101 k\u0101kano o te ao hou, o te ao m\u0101tauranga. Ka whawhai tonu ake.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E[I celebrate the very purpose of partnership schools. I salute those who work on behalf of young M\u0101ori students, of young Pacific students, of young people everywhere in partnership schools; these schools are the seeds of the modern world, of the education world. We shall fight on.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003EI celebrate the cause, the purpose, and philosophy of partnership schools. I acknowledge the workers for our M\u0101ori student children, for our Pasifika student children, for all the children of the charter schools. These schools are the seeds of the new world, the world of learning and knowledge, and the fight endures.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022 data-id=\u0022946d1c2a1fc04e788371fa57c33d0130\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022946d1c2a1fc04e788371fa57c33d0130\u0022\u003ECHL\u00D6E SWARBRICK (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te M\u0101ngai. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e Te Whare. It\u2019s a pleasure to rise and speak on behalf of the Green Party of Aotearoa on the Education Amendment Bill in this here third reading. It will of course be of no surprise that we support this bill and its contents, given that it is exactly what all three parties in this Government campaigned on. It, therefore, should come as no surprise to the Opposition, nor to the majority of New Zealanders, who voted for this Government, that this is exactly what we are implementing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s been stated by a number of members of the Opposition that what we are seeing today is ideology. Again, I would like to raise the point that: is it not the case that the actions undertaken by the National Party were informed by their ideology, by their values of individualism, whereas we come from a place of collectivism? We come from a place of believing that all kids should be able to get the best possible education from their local school. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003ESo this piece of legislation does a number of things for a number of different parts of our education system. As has been well canvassed, it removes provisions for charter schools. I don\u2019t intend to labour that point any longer, but presume that the Opposition will get back on that horse. However, I will speak briefly to the point around removing national standards empowering provisions, because, in particular, members of the Opposition have cited multiple times, without any evidence to back it up, that this was about kids and their achievement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EWhat we\u2019ve seen after nine years of national standards is no discernible change in achievement. In fact, in some areas it\u2019s actually gone down. OECD measures of our poorest kids achieving averages in reading, maths, and science in 2006 showed that 36.6 percent were beating the odds. This was obviously prior to the introduction of national standards. But, in 2012, four years after the introduction of national standards, the number of those kids beating the odds had dropped by more than 10 percent, to 23.6 percent. So I\u2019m quite perplexed by the statements by the Opposition that this is about our poorest kids, who are disproportionately, currently in our society, M\u0101ori and Pasifika, when the national standards project did not work for them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003ESo, too, I\u2019m quite fascinated by the recent kinds of statements from the Opposition that they now care about teachers and that they now want to see reduction in class sizes and they want to see the workload on teachers reduced. Well, if that\u2019s the case, I would suggest that they sit down with teachers, many of whom are represented by those evil unions they so often lament, because, in 2016, a survey by the Education Council of Aotearoa New Zealand showcased that 69 percent of teachers in primary and intermediate schools narrowed their curriculum as a result of national standards.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003ESo I am proud to stand in this house this afternoon\u2014I would note probably as the member closest to having had an experience of the education system\u2014stating that I am incredibly proud of the fact that we are removing these national standards to focus on the needs of kids.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EA third part of this piece of legislation is restoring elected places for elected staff and students on tertiary education institutions councils. It\u2019s been quite fascinating to watch this argument play out in an incredibly polarised manner, with members of the Opposition, in particular, belittling representation, saying that there is no guarantee of expertise. I would reiterate my argument on that point: that\u2019s exactly what we are, here in this House as MPs. We are elected to be representatives. There is no guarantee of our expertise. The point is that we bring the perspectives of our communities to this decision making.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EIn response to the select committee submissions\u2014and there were a huge number of select committee submissions to our Education and Workforce Committee on this piece of legislation. There were 641, many of whom we heard, and 481 of those submissions spoke, in particular, to staff and student representation on tertiary institution councils, and 451 of those supported guaranteed places. However, 449 of those submissions wanted more than one representative of both staff and students. That\u2019s more than 90 percent of submissions on the issue of staff and student representatives on tertiary councils who wanted more than one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003ESo I would just note that I\u2019m a bit gutted that my Supplementary Order Paper 104 to see out this request from members of the public was, unfortunately, voted down in the committee of the whole House stage. This, of course, was off the back of an open letter from 14 different presidents of student organisations around the country, facilitated by the New Zealand Union of Students\u2019 Associations. It was to ensure that what we were seeing wasn\u2019t check-box tokenism but was genuine representation, so that there could be the ability to share and discuss confidential information between at least two students, to come to robust decisions, and so that they could feel supported in putting forward their views and, indeed, in speaking up. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EI also want to speak, just briefly, to the final two provisions in the Education Amendment Bill. They are, of course\u2014one is about making it an offence to make a false representation on an application for free tertiary education. This ensures the smooth sailing of that introduction of free tertiary education. I have been incredibly pleased to be around the country recently, visiting a huge number\u2014all, actually\u2014of our tertiary education facilities around this country, speaking to first-year students about their absolute delight of not having to be saddled with immense amounts of student debt. If I may report my own, for the sake of members in the House who perhaps went through university before tertiary fees were instituted, the personal student debt that I racked up was to the tune of $43,000, and these are the kinds of fees that we were talking about imposing on our next generation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EI just want to touch as well on the point made by members of the Opposition that the mainstream isn\u2019t working. That\u2019s right: the mainstream isn\u2019t working, and it\u2019s not working for all of our kids.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002299bfb3d81a7f4d5da426115348b5474d\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: What are you doing about it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f126780a4d5f417f81c0d5177b0ae026\u0022\u003ECHL\u00D6E SWARBRICK\u003C/span\u003E: So what should we do about it, Nicola Willis? We should fix it, and we have an opportunity to fix that with the education conversations that we are working on. Nicola Willis and members of the Opposition have been invited to participate in this educational conversation, which we as a Government are facilitating to move into the future\u2014a fit-for-purpose education system that works for all of our kids. And I think that this is particularly important because of the points that have been raised about tikanga M\u0101ori, about Te Tiriti o Waitangi, because our current education system absolutely does not put those kaupapa at our core, and we have an opportunity to evolve the education system so that it recognises our past and our history and so that it teaches our kids how to be engaged citizens, not just workers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003ESo I think that this is an incredible opportunity actually for a cross-partisan project to develop a sustainable outcome that works for all kids, moving into the future. And it\u2019s an opportunity actually to put the petty point-scoring aside and work on something that all of us can be proud of, because all of us and all of our kids are going to be looking at this education system to carry our country into the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EJust briefly, in my final minute or so, I want to acknowledge the incredible mahi of Catherine Delahunty, who was our former Green spokesperson on education. All of the things that are happening in this Education Amendment Bill are things that she campaigned tirelessly on and are things that she actively engaged with the sector on, and they\u2019re things which we in the Greens are very proud to be supporting through the House this afternoon. It is something that makes me incredibly proud to be a part of this Government: that we are getting on with creating an education system that works for all of our kids, because, in the words of Mary Richmond, \u201CAll I can ask is to give every child as fair a chance as possible. As we are a formal democracy, let us be truly democratic.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022 data-id=\u00222d234c3ddd5b4cdc9c1d35a4c921f6f4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222d234c3ddd5b4cdc9c1d35a4c921f6f4\u0022\u003EHon TIM MACINDOE (National\u2014Hamilton West):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e Te Whare. This is a very sad day for our country. Today is a day when members opposite should be hanging their heads in shame, because today is the day when they\u2019re turning their backs on some of the most vulnerable young people and communities in our country. It\u2019s a day when members opposite in this coalition Government are confirming their refusal to listen to impassioned appeals from community leaders, iwi leaders, the staff and families connected with our country\u2019s partnership schools, and many, many concerned New Zealanders. It\u2019s a day when they proclaim that dogma trumps evidence and that their \u201CWe know best.\u201D arrogance matters more than the experience, passion, commitment, and achievements of those who teach, mentor, and learn in our partnership schools. It may well be the day when the Ardern-Peters Government triggers its foreshore and seabed moment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EM\u0101oridom will not forgive them or forget this breach of trust. And it was very well articulated earlier by the Hon Nikki Kaye as she spoke at length about the iwi leaders and the claim that is currently before the Waitangi Tribunal. The Hon Willie Jackson interjected several times while the Hon Nikki Kaye was speaking of Sir Toby Curtis, Dame Tariana Turia, and those other very experienced, very well respected iwi leaders, that they don\u2019t know what they\u2019re talking about, and just in case it wasn\u2019t picked up by the Hansard reporters, I want to put that on the record now: that the Hon Willie Jackson several times interjected that Dame Tariana, Sir Toby, Pem Bird, and all the others who we\u2019ve been talking about don\u2019t know what they\u2019re talking about. And I\u2019ll come back to the Hon Willie Jackson a little bit later, because it got even worse, in one of the most incoherent and unconvincing speeches I\u2019ve ever heard in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EThe Minister of Education, Hon Chris Hipkins, justified his decision to close all partnership schools on the grounds that one partnership school failed early on and had to close. There\u2019s no doubt one did close down soon after its establishment, but what a fatuous argument that is. On that basis, every State and integrated school in the country should now be closing down because a small number of them have problems with bullying, truancy, and underachievement. Yet most State, independent, and integrated schools in our country are doing incredibly well, and so are most partnership schools. So why punish all for the problems of a few? It makes no sense, it\u2019s cruel, and worse than that, it flies in the face of all the evidence that those partnership schools were making a difference to young people in a way that no previous education system, no previous school, had ever made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EI have been so impressed by those who have advocated for partnership schools in recent years, but even more so I have been impressed by the huge impact that they have made. I mentioned in a previous debate on this bill that when I visited a partnership school, the thing that really struck me was the tremendous atmosphere of respect, the sense of purpose of the young people there, because there I saw young people for whom finally the lights had come on and an understanding of the value of an education had become apparent to them. Yet, as I mentioned, we then had to listen to an appalling and disjointed rant from the Hon Willie Jackson, who, let\u2019s remember, is a serial party-hopper who now finds it convenient for his own political comfort and perks at this moment to turn his back on all he claimed to believe just a few years ago, including about choice and opportunities in education.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EIt was Willie Jackson who said, not so long ago, \u201CI truly believe in the partnership school model.\u201D When Labour was in Opposition and he was a leading figure in the M\u0101ori Party, he said, \u201CThe opposition\u2019s stance on partnership schools won\u2019t get a pass mark from me. And as far as M\u0101ori are concerned,\u201D said Mr Jackson, \u201CLabour\u2019s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins\u2019 Private Members Bill to scrap partnership schools [ranks] an E.\u201D, and so it went on. He was supported by the man who is now an Associate Minister of Education, the Hon Peeni Henare, who said, \u201CThe bottom line is, why would you stop something that is working.\u201D, and he was talking, of course, about partnership schools. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EThis is the man\u2014the Hon Willie Jackson\u2014who told the nation the day after Labour\u2019s humiliating defeat in the 2014 election that P\u0101keh\u0101 New Zealanders have rejected the Labour Party, and yet, for some reason, M\u0101ori have embraced them. Willie Jackson shrugged his shoulders, concluding, \u201CIt\u2019s hard to work out.\u201D There\u2019s a real irony there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EWillie Jackson said, \u201CWhy on earth would M\u0101ori support Labour MPs committed to such policies as abolishing partnership schools?\u201D Well, he was right when he pointed out how incomprehensible that was, although he won\u2019t thank me, of course, for reminding the nation today of those comments or of the contempt he felt for New Zealanders who voted Labour just four years ago. Yet, today, he has done a total about-face and proudly embraces his current party\u2019s cruel indifference to vulnerable tamariki and communities the length and breadth of our country, and he insults respected M\u0101ori leaders he once worked hard to support. We can only hope that with his record of serial party-hopping, he will once again come to support partnership schools when he emerges as an ACT Party candidate in 2020.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EIn 2008, the National Party campaigned on a clear promise to introduce national standards in our primary schools. Yet, again, today the Minister of Education repeated his trite, irrelevant, and disingenuous claim that they were neither national nor standard. Yet he consistently ignores the reasons why they were introduced and the support that they secured at the polls from New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EThe evidence that underpinned their introduction was that a decade or more ago, too many parents found out too late that their children were not developing the literacy and numeracy skills that are the foundations of a successful education. Without literacy and numeracy, young people are not going to be able to succeed in education, and their life choices will be severely restricted as a result, and yet we have a Government today that says \u201CWe don\u2019t need to give parents that information.\u201D, even though a decade ago, parents were saying, \u201CIf only I had known in time, I would have sought the remedial assistance that my children required.\u201D But, no, this education Minister says, \u201CWe\u2019re not interested in the parents getting that information. We\u2019re much more interested in dogma overtaking our decision making in education.\u201D So that\u2019s why I say this is a very sad day for our country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003ELet me turn just very briefly to the tertiary education fees-free policy enforcement provisions in this bill, because what we have there is a Government spraying the cash around\u2014it is a hugely expensive policy which didn\u2019t have any real evidence behind it\u2014and yet now we know that it\u2019s making no significant difference at all in driving up enrolments in our tertiary education centres. Well, in the committee stage, the Minister admitted that he hadn\u2019t looked into the question of whether this was a policy open to fraud. Then, he came back the next morning and said, \u201COops! I have looked into it, and yes, you\u2019re right\u2014there is some. But I\u2019ll still have to go and do a little bit of work on it.\u201D In the little bit of time left to me, I would say get on with that work quickly, Minister. That is a huge oversight in your administration and you will be judged for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003ELet me just conclude on a positive note. I was very proud to serve briefly as the Associate Minister of Education\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022516897d1e27a4d199b54274f3102d576\u0022\u003ESimeon Brown\u003C/span\u003E: A very good Associate Minister. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022165ef5e7c9b242df93fc4a2e3fa861a9\u0022\u003EHon TIM MACINDOE\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014in the Government of Sir Bill English\u2014thank you, Mr Brown. In that time, we were able to point to clear evidence of improving results, particularly in NCEA and particularly for our M\u0101ori and Pasifika students. It was up from 51.6 percent for M\u0101ori in 2008. NCEA-level achievement in 2016 for those young M\u0101ori was 74.9 percent, or virtually 75 percent, and it was even better, the improvement that we saw for Pasifika students: up from 50.5 percent in 2008 to nearly 80 percent in 2016. We, as a Government, were prepared to put out measurements by which we could be judged. We delivered, and this Government is sweeping it all away, to the great detriment\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00222c208dd4d13549faa68ca73b7a6dbf9d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222c208dd4d13549faa68ca73b7a6dbf9d\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s time has expired. I call Jan Tinetti\u2014five minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022 data-id=\u0022b821f6cbd091469284853a66e6c803ff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b821f6cbd091469284853a66e6c803ff\u0022\u003EJAN TINETTI (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E On the absolute polar opposite from that particular speaker, Tim Macindoe, I think this is the best day in our education system. Today, we are righting a vicious attack that was made on our education system over the term of the previous Government. Today, we reflect this Government\u2019s commitment to having a high-quality public education system, and I am so excited about what we are seeing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EI was really surprised when I heard a member over in the Opposition talk about the fact that they don\u2019t believe in a one-size-fits-all approach. However, in 2008, through urgency they introduced national standards. We absolutely couldn\u2019t get more of a one-size-fits-all approach to education. They did that without any consultation. Today, we are putting that right. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EWhat did that mean? That meant for me, in my school at that time, that creativity and that ability to actually form our localised curriculum became narrower. That actually meant that the ability for us as a school with a predominantly M\u0101ori population of children, where we had made great gains to get those vulnerable children all achieving by combining our curricula and teaching through Te Marautanga o Aotearoa, even in our mainstream classes\u2014we could no longer do that because we had to report our mainstream classes against the national standards. So therefore we were forced to actually teach from the New Zealand Curriculum, which is a great document, but it didn\u2019t meet the needs of our school. They talk about meeting the needs of the pupils and meeting the needs of the school, and yet they introduced those national standards that took that right away from those schools, and today we are putting that right. The schools are happy, and, contrary to what that side might say, parents are happy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EI have an email box that was flooded from last year by parents who said, \u201CWe are happy that our children are going to be valued.\u201D, because not many people realise but all children were subject to national standards evaluations\u2014all children. That means even the children that struggled at school due to special learning needs had to meet those national standards. That became really difficult for them, and they were labelled as failures the whole way through their schooling. So I\u2019m happy to see this bill being passed today. I\u2019m happy for the New Zealand education system, and I am absolutely delighted for all of our New Zealand children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00229b135f5fa18b4a2eb0631b41effd1052\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229b135f5fa18b4a2eb0631b41effd1052\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: I call Nicola Willis\u2014five minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u0022c8658ed11aa44f24afa45714cc5dd148\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c8658ed11aa44f24afa45714cc5dd148\u0022\u003ENICOLA WILLIS (National):\u003C/span\u003E The bottom line is: why would you stop something that is working? Those were Peeni Henare\u2019s words and they were wise words and they are words that members opposite have not heeded. We have had speeches today from people making all sorts of claims about partnership schools, but the people we have not heard from are the parents whose lives and whose families have been transformed by the experience of having their children attend partnership schools.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EI want to read from the submission from Ms Tiffiny Hodgson, a mother of a chronic dyslexic who attended Villa Education Trust. She says, \u201CWithin 3 months of the new school year there was an incredible change. My angry, miserable and increasingly problematic son came home happy. And learning. He read his first \u2018chapter book\u2019 \u2026 He wanted to learn, and wanted to go to school. \u2018Mummy, I never knew I could be good at anything.\u2019 \u201D Then she goes on to say, \u201CNot all schools fit all kids. \u2026 the idea of abandoning the Partnership model altogether \u2026 takes away a much needed option for [families] like ours. There are few enough options for some kids \u2026 without taking away schools that are already working well.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EI thank Tiffiny Hodgson because she goes to the heart of the matter, which is that today in this House, Labour members are choosing to fundamentally revoke a system that has worked for hundreds of students and hundreds of families because they believe that they know better what is right for those families and what they should choose. We\u2019ve had the inglorious claim that somehow these partnership schools aren\u2019t closing; that they will continue, when in fact right now there is a claim before the Waitangi Tribunal protesting the very fact that these schools are being closed. The model which allowed for their own management, their own funding, their own pay rates for teachers has been removed and where submitters have been very clear is that the process that has been forced upon them by the Minister of Education has caused inordinate trouble for parents and families.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s talk about Alwyn Poole, because Minister Martin raised Alwyn Poole in her speech and said that Alwyn Poole was happy about these changes. Well, I want to quote what Alwyn Poole said at select committee: \u201CThe processes we are finding incredibly fraught and extremely difficult. We want to be respectful of the ministry but at the moment we are under two processes.\u201D Those are the words of a school leader who feels completely pressured and bullied by the Government but who is going through a fraught and extremely difficult process. And the saddest thing of all is that the debate that we have had about the future of partnership schools, the changes that have been made, have meant that these excellent education leaders who have been transforming the lives of young people have been distracted by this sort of thing and will continue to be distracted by a new model that will be clunky and will not work as well for them or the children that they are there to serve.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EWe have had a State system of education in New Zealand for many decades that has delivered well for many, many children, and many of us are grateful for that strong public education system. But it is foolish of members opposite to pretend that that system delivers for every child. For far too long, that system has failed M\u0101ori and Pasifika children in particular, and for far too long that system has not delivered for groups of children. Partnership schools were a way of attacking that. They were a way of saying \u201CLet\u2019s try something different. Let\u2019s not give up on those kids. And let\u2019s not be na\u00EFve enough to simply pretend that if we say \u2018public education\u2019 enough times with a big enough smile on our face it\u2019ll mean that it\u2019s working for them.\u201D Well, it wasn\u2019t working for them, it\u2019s not working for them, and partnership schools were, and that is why they should remain.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EInstead, we have had a Government that has removed this model without considering the evidence of their success, without consulting the parents who support them, without consulting M\u0101ori who view them as a wonderful form of providing self-determination. And the people who should find it hardest to sleep in bed tonight are the members of the Labour Party opposite who said that they would campaign against the closure of these schools: Willie Jackson, who said that these schools were fundamental for M\u0101ori, that he truly believed in the model, and that this alternative style of education gets an A every day\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022d284cf01a5ab4b6781a9c0edc53c5c1c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d284cf01a5ab4b6781a9c0edc53c5c1c\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s time has expired. This is a split call\u2014five minutes. I call Jo Luxton.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022 data-id=\u00224cf17bd8c27342bf98a97856046d34ef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224cf17bd8c27342bf98a97856046d34ef\u0022\u003EJO LUXTON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. Well, I can assure Nicola Willis, the member who\u2019s just taken her seat, that I am going to sleep very well tonight because today is a wonderful day for education. It is a wonderful day for teachers and it is a wonderful day for our children\u2014our children. This Government is, yet again, delivering on its pre-election promises with this piece of legislation, the third reading of the Education Amendment Bill. I am proud to be part of a Government that is putting children at the heart of every decision it makes, and I am proud that we have a Minister of Education who believes the same. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EI want to talk a little bit about the removal of national standards. Now, we heard from NZEI at the select committee when they submitted, and they talked about the anguish and the heartache that parents of children with special educational needs have. They talked about the fact that the children were doomed to fail from the outset\u2014doomed to fail right from the beginning. Right from the time they entered our schooling system, they were doomed to fail. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EWe heard from the Hon Tim Macindoe, who said that this particular piece of legislation was going to be terrible and it was going to be a sad day for some of our most vulnerable children. Well, actually, I put it to that member that some of these children are our most vulnerable children, who were disaffected by national standards. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EI want to also make comment about something that Parmjeet Parmar mentioned about how parents want to hear precise reporting. Well, actually, this isn\u2019t some sort of forensic DNA analysis. These are children, a diverse group of young people that we are talking about, who are all different, who all have different needs, and who all learn at different rates and at different stages. I take the point that a previous speaker\u2014Jan Tinetti\u2014brought up around something that the Hon Nikki Kaye mentioned about how one size does not fit all, and that is exactly right. So that is why we are getting rid of the national standards. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EI have my sister, Teresa, who has Down\u2019s syndrome, and I think about how that would have affected her and my mother had she gone to school during this time when national standards were in place. Now, when someone has a child who has Down\u2019s syndrome or some other disability like that, they know that that child\u2019s life, and their life in turn, is also going to have several challenges along the way, and I think that it is disgraceful that children like that are faced with the fact that they are doomed to fail, right from the word go. That child might not be aware of it, but their parent certainly is, and I for one am so proud to commend this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022c73cd571eecf41f5a6bd9ecbed487543\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c73cd571eecf41f5a6bd9ecbed487543\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: I call David Seymour\u2014five minutes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022 data-id=\u00223cd52f947d1f436391d9e56f91c12ce6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223cd52f947d1f436391d9e56f91c12ce6\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Well, thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. I rise on behalf of ACT to proudly oppose this piece of legislation. I\u2019d like to make a couple of comments about the debate that we\u2019ve heard so far, beginning with Jo Luxton, the member who just resumed her seat, who says she\u2019s proud to be part of a Government. Well, I hate to tell her that she\u2019s a backbencher. She\u2019s not part of the Government. The Government is the executive: the Ministers and Parliamentary Under-Secretaries. She didn\u2019t know about that, and she didn\u2019t know anything about the policy she\u2019s talking about, either. That\u2019s the standard you get from the Labour backbench these days, and what a shame. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EBut I want to come back to Tracey Martin, who made a disgraceful speech. She said that Alwyn Poole had been in a discussion with the National Party about promises for the private school in my electorate that Alwyn and Karen Poole run. There was no such discussion, and it\u2019s shameful that a member of Parliament would use the privilege of this House to defame an individual, especially one that happens to live in the Epsom electorate. Tracey Martin should apologise for that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003ETracey Martin said that Villa Education have been distributing glossy brochures about NCEA. If Tracey Martin knew anything about the subject, she would know that the Villa schools\u2014Mt Hobson Middle School, Middle School West Auckland, and South Auckland Middle School\u2014are year 7 to 10 schools. They don\u2019t offer the NCEA and, strangely enough, they don\u2019t have any glossy brochures about the NCEA. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EThis is the Tracey Martin who said that partnership schools treat children like dogs\u2014what a disgrace. What a disgrace in this House, and Tracey Martin should be down here to make a personal statement and apologise. But I don\u2019t think there\u2019s a lot of time for that, because, just quietly between you and I, Mr Assistant Speaker, I\u2019d hate to think what Winston Peters would say if he was caught on tape talking about Tracey Martin. The fact of the matter is that Tracey Martin didn\u2019t come to Parliament because she got bored designing rockets at NASA\u2014that\u2019s the fact. She\u2019s got the highest confidence to competence ratio of anyone I\u2019ve ever met, and, by the way, she\u2019s not even that confident. Anyhow, I needed to get that off my chest, because it\u2019s disgraceful the way that Tracey Martin has used the House and abused parliamentary privilege to defame my constituents today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EBut what was the problem that partnership schools kura hourua set out to solve? It\u2019s this: it\u2019s a great shame that we have increasing global convergence\u2014that is, a billion people in Africa and Bangladesh and India are joining people in Asia and the former Soviet Union and joining the global economy, low-skilled people driving down the cost of low-skilled labour. That means in the 21st century, if you don\u2019t have skills in a global economy, you\u2019re toast. Added to that, New Zealand has the shame of having the third-greatest gap between the top 10 percent and the bottom 10 percent of learning outcomes in the OECD. This is a time bomb. This is a problem. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EWe need to do better for disadvantaged New Zealanders. We need to do better for those New Zealanders who go to Te K\u0101pehu Whet\u016B, a partnership school in Whangarei, who were explicitly told in mainstream schools that they wouldn\u2019t succeed because they\u2019re M\u0101ori. They have gone to a partnership school where they feel valued. They are students like Hope from the Vanguard Military School, who I spoke about in the first line of my maiden statement in this House, who said to me, \u201CI never knew I was smart until I came here.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EPartnership schools were put in place to give opportunity to that, and they did, but what a contrast between that and this Government\u2019s consultation. It is $1.5 million dollars of asking people what they think should happen in education. It\u2019s working groups into the NCEA and into Tomorrow\u2019s Schools\u2014all the asking and navel gazing and pondering and consultation\u2014and what of this legislation? They\u2019re saying, \u201COh, well, it\u2019s our policy, so that\u2019s OK.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EI want to finish by paying tribute to the sponsors of partnership schools: the Nick Hydes, the Raewyn T\u012Bpenes, the Sita Selupes, the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d422b6be2244a62b996c6db89b3236e\u0022\u003EHon Tim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: Alwyn Poole. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273996f7d4cbf44588648c1a103163c89\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014Alwyn Pooles\u2014thank you\u2014all of the sponsors who stood up and took a risk to make this country a better place. I want to put on record how sad it is\u2014Ronnie Rochel, she deserves a mention. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff850305fd9f493c8a970d29c1d8bfff\u0022\u003EHon Tim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: And Catherine Isaac deserves a mention as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002282f083e3d6a541c2869a219bbed4007e\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely\u2014from the Waikato. Absolutely, they deserve a mention. I want to put on record how sad it is that they have had their livelihood and their project kneecapped by a Government that\u2019s done no consultation. All it has done is the bidding of its union volunteers and paymasters. They have put comfortable, mostly white, middle-class teachers in reasonably well-paying jobs ahead of some of the most disadvantaged brown kids in this country, and it is\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022baad566efbc146089aa593b217713565\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022baad566efbc146089aa593b217713565\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s time has expired. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022 data-id=\u002245315eb747c040bea0c60ab736cb4937\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002245315eb747c040bea0c60ab736cb4937\u0022\u003ESIMEON BROWN (National\u2014Pakuranga):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker, for the opportunity to speak on the Education Amendment Bill. I\u2019d like to start by reminding Mr Willie Jackson of his comments and his words that he spoke prior to becoming a Labour Party member of Parliament. I\u2019d like to remind him of his comments in regards to Chris Hipkins\u2019 member\u2019s bill to scrap partnership schools. He said that that bill would receive an E\u2014that\u2019s what he said it would receive. It would receive an E. But then he said that when you look at the success this alternative style education model has had for M\u0101ori, then it gets an A\u2014it gets an A every day. Well, I\u2019ve got something for Mr Willie Jackson. His speech and his actions are an F, because they are an absolute fail. He has failed the people that he says he represents. He has failed M\u0101ori, and he has failed himself because of his dramatic U-turn that he made here in the House this afternoon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EThis bill that we\u2019re debating here today does a number of things, but, first and foremost, it primarily removes the partnership model\u2014it rips it away, and it takes this opportunity away from some of our most disadvantaged communities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EThe Prime Minister said that she wouldn\u2019t be closing down these schools unless\u2014the three conditions would be that they receive the same amount of funding as State schools, they have registered teachers, and they follow the school curriculum. We had those partnerships schools before the Education and Workforce Committee, and they ticked all three of those boxes. They told us they received the same amount of money. They told us they had registered teachers. They told us they followed the school curriculum, when they submitted to the select committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EBut the real agenda that this Government has, and the agenda which they are not talking about here in the House, is that they want to ensure that the unions have the contractual ability to have collective agreements over the staff in these schools. They want to have the power over the staff in these schools. They want to have a one-size-fits-all model for all education. They don\u2019t believe in different models of education. They don\u2019t believe in the partnership school model. They don\u2019t believe in giving flexibility in teaching resources and flexibility in the classroom so that these children can have the best opportunities to learn, and they don\u2019t believe in supporting our most at-risk young people in this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EI want to read out part of an email I received from a mother who sent two of her children to South Auckland Middle School. Her name is Shiri Te Whatu and she said, \u201CIt is hard to put into words how invaluable South Auckland Middle School has been, not only to my own children, but also my wider wh\u0101nau that have attended. I attribute my oldest son\u2019s success to the step up that SAMS gave him when current school systems were failing him. They were able to meet him at his level and empower him to exceed all our expectations. I have three older daughters in their early 20s. It was always disheartening to see so many students\u2014literally hundreds\u2014start on the first day of school in year nine and then just a handful of students complete their schooling to year 13. I believe that SAMS is an important and vital bridge to this obvious gap in our current education system. We know that this problem in our education is there, but not everyone is prepared to do what it takes to ensure that this cycle does not continue. Due to the confidence\u201D\u2014she finishes\u2014\u201Cand good study habits that my son learnt at SAMS, he finished year 13 well, and is now enrolled with Air New Zealand and studying a career in aeronautical engineering.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EThose are the words of a family, a wh\u0101nau, in South Auckland who\u2014their young children were failing in the State school education system, but SAMS gave them the opportunity to break the cycle\u2014to break the cycle\u2014and for that young man to be able to succeed. And I\u2019m proud of that young man. He\u2019s working at Air New Zealand. He\u2019s studying. He has a future\u2014a bright future\u2014and he\u2019s working hard towards it. He has aspirations, and that was what the partnership school model allowed. It allowed the young people from the most disadvantaged communities in our country, from the electorates which are represented on that side of the House, to be able to receive an education, to be able to break those cycles, and to be able to achieve in life. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002204fba25a77d44abc8683bac5db0c40a0\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Achievement for our poorest kids went down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b9a1af86acf41e9a8bbf528fe715899\u0022\u003ESIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: We can hear members on the opposite side of this House complaining about our position and the opportunities that we sought, and we heard Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick talk about the hundreds of submissions which were received in support of her Supplementary Order Papers. Well, I challenge Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick to read the dozens of submissions from people in support of partnership schools. The majority of submitters on partnerships schools who submitted on that issue in this bill were in support. If the member is going to talk about the number of submissions on this bill, be consistent and support what the majority of submitters on partnership schools actually said when they came before the select committee and when they made their submissions on this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EKelvin Davis said that he would resign if partnership schools were closed in his electorate. Well, will we see him resign this afternoon when this bill has been passed? I doubt it, because there is another man who has broken his promise to his electorate and broken the promises that he said. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EThe other point that I think has been made, but it needs to be made again, is that there is a Treaty of Waitangi claim being made at the moment. Urgency has been requested to that claim, but the Government continues to steamroll this legislation through Parliament and continues to push its agenda\u2014continues to ignore what M\u0101ori and what the people who have benefited from these schools are saying. This is a Government which has said that they want to ensure\u2014and we have again heard members opposite talk about how they want to bring the Treaty into our education system. Well, the first thing they\u2019re doing here is ignoring the Treaty as they let this legislation go through while there is a Treaty of Waitangi claim going before the Waitangi Tribunal at the moment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to touch quickly on a couple of other parts of this bill and some of the other aspects that it does. I\u2019d like to touch on the elements that it covers in regard to the enforcement powers for the fees-free policy. I think it\u2019s important to reflect on the fact that that policy was rushed through and this has taken the Government one whole year\u2014one whole year\u2014for them to get to the point where they actually take some enforcement against people who might be making a false declaration and receiving potentially thousands and thousands of dollars of taxpayers\u2019 money if they were to make a false declaration on whether they had received funding before.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019d just like to make the point that the fine which is in this bill is only $5,000. It is a very small fine, and we have put Supplementary Order Papers in to say that this fine should be increased, that this is about accountability for those who take public funds, that their statements that they make should be truthful, and we actually believe on this side of the House that it needs to be increased to ensure that it is a reasonable fine which actually reflects the seriousness of the taxpayers\u2019 money which is being taken. This was a rushed policy, put through and now they\u2019re finally putting in place legislation which allows for some accountability to be held.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003ELastly, I would like to touch on the clauses in this bill which relate to the boards of governance, the councils, in our Institutes of Technology and Polytechnics, the polytechs, and our universities. We\u2019ve heard arguments from the other side around how this is going to dramatically improve governance of our polytechs and our universities. The argument has been made that we need to have more elected representatives on those boards. Well, I have a point here: we differ on that issue. These are governance bodies and the people that should be appointed to these bodies should have the required set of governance skills which should be on those bodies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dfebb6c3f2fb412d8e7c188c678fa960\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: What about us, Simeon?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221cf6089f76634bf3b4033cc51b43c2ad\u0022\u003ESIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick says \u201CWhat about Parliament?\u201D Parliament is a representative body. We represent the people of New Zealand. These people are governing a specific body, given specific funds, and these require a specific set of skills on those bodies. We have put forward the case that those people who are elected, if they are to be elected, should also have those governance skills as a prerequisite to being able to stand in the elections, but that point was put down at the select committee when the argument was made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003ESo let me conclude. This bill is a dark day for New Zealand. It takes away opportunity for some of our most disadvantaged young people. National will oppose it and we will bring back partnership schools when we\u2019re back in Government in 2020.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022 data-id=\u0022c01ef8ea322d4bdebb198a079bd6c6f1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c01ef8ea322d4bdebb198a079bd6c6f1\u0022\u003EJAMIE STRANGE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E This is a great day for education in New Zealand. As the final speaker on this bill, the Education Amendment Bill, I\u2019d just like to quickly highlight a couple of key points and just pick up on a few points that we\u2019ve heard from the other side of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EBut, first, I\u2019d like to start with the partnership schools. Now, we heard from the Hon Nikki Kaye, who said that if the National Party gets back into power\u2014if they get back into power\u2014they will restore and expand these schools. Well, I\u2019m just sort of curious as to their commitment to these schools, because they were in Government for nine years\u2014nine years. I wonder how many schools they brought in. I wonder how many partnership schools. You would have thought maybe what? Two-hundred? Maybe 250? No. A hundred? No, less than that. Fifty? Less than that. Twenty? Less than that. Eleven\u201411 partnership schools in nine years! Do they even believe in this policy themselves? I\u2019m not sure they do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EThe next point is around national standards. I\u2019d like to highlight one of the key submissions around national standards which came from NZEI. This is what the submission said, \u201CNZEI is pleased that there can now be a focus on teaching and learning not just assessment, and on the broad New Zealand curricula, including competencies, engagement, and language\u201D. NZEI also on that point said, \u201CHow soul destroying for parents with kids with special needs to have them marked against the national standards when there was already so much for them to overcome\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EThe problem with national standards, and we heard it from the Minister, was that they were neither national nor were they standard. They were not accurate. That\u2019s the key point. They were not accurate. I remember speaking to principals who would fill in their national standards data. They would send it off to the ministry, and the information would be sent back saying \u201CNo, you haven\u2019t moved the kids enough.\u201D, and they would send it back; \u201CNo, you haven\u2019t done it.\u201D So they actually had to fudge the data in order to get it accepted. And those principals would get together and say \u201CWe don\u2019t want to do this. We want to give an accurate record.\u201D, but the system was actually forcing them to fudge the data. So they weren\u2019t accurate anyway.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022df3b1ad06dcc4392a04592a9561f0092\u0022\u003EBrett Hudson\u003C/span\u003E: Forcing them to fudge the data. Why? Weren\u2019t they into teaching?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022716a299765ca4f6f80b1c31e5e69696b\u0022\u003EJAMIE STRANGE\u003C/span\u003E: The members opposite ask about being into teaching. Teachers want to teach the curriculum, and the problem with national standards was that it was narrowing the curriculum so that they were teaching maths, English, and there wasn\u2019t enough time in the day to be able to teach the other subjects. The key focus of this Government is to enable teachers to teach the broad aspects of our world-class curriculum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll pick up on one final point, and that\u2019s around the fees-free. So this legislation here supports the introduction of free tertiary education by making it an offence to make a false representation about an application for free tertiary education. For me, personally, the thing I like about the fees-free the most is the apprenticeship aspect. So what the fees-free policy does is it allows people to have two years free if they\u2019re undertaking an apprenticeship. We have a huge shortage of skilled tradespeople in this country and to incentivise apprenticeships like this I think is an excellent policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003ESo this is a wonderful piece of legislation. It\u2019s an exciting day for the New Zealand education system, and for me personally, one of the key reasons I stood for Parliament was around national standards. So it\u2019s exciting to see this removed. It\u2019s exciting to see a broad curriculum will once again be taught. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022880bfc821cc54d24a7336842cc4a9df5\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Education Amendment Bill be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 63\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 46; New Zealand First 9; Green Party 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 56\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 55; ACT New Zealand 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228e37599635814aa0adfc9626e01dc566\u0022\u003ETrans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (CPTPP) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b498959f8128425a9f8c72f6b89a8c91\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u0022ff9afb786fdf4382a8be5ea4e84f20ae\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ff9afb786fdf4382a8be5ea4e84f20ae\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Minister for Trade and Export Growth):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (CPTPP) Amendment Bill be now read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to start by thanking members of the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee for their work on this important piece of legislation. The committee\u2019s recommendation is that the bill be passed with a small number of technical amendments. Completion of consideration by the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee is a further important step in our consultation with the public on the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) and on trade matters more generally.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThe committee process follows on from numerous outreach meetings that it had up and down the country. I\u2019ve been to many of them. Trade officials have been to a lot, lot more. They haven\u2019t just been on CPTPP. We\u2019ve been engaging on some related legislation which includes the ban on foreign buyers of existing homes, and, more recently, officials have been involved in the Trade for All outreach meetings as we endeavour to rebuild the social contract for trade.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThis Government is committed to ensuring that trade delivers sustainable and inclusive economic growth for all New Zealanders, no matter who they are or where they are in the country. We\u2019ve already shown that we\u2019re open to finding better ways to do things, including through the changes that were made to the previous Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement (TPP) under difficult circumstances in our first weeks in office. As a result of these changes, we were able to conclude the CPTPP. For me, the most significant change was finding a route through on controlling overseas foreign buyers of existing New Zealand homes. We support CPTPP. It will bring commercial, sustainable, and strategic benefits to New Zealand as the national interest analysis\u2014which was released some weeks prior to signature\u2014highlights.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EOn the commercial level, the CPTPP matters to New Zealand. I\u2019ve made the point that trade agreements aren\u2019t the be all and end all of economic and trade policy. There are other very important settings in the economy, like those affecting research and development, and tax policy that encourages investment in productive enterprises, rather than speculative investment. The productive investment, of course, helps grow new areas of comparative advantage. But I think everyone in New Zealand knows that we\u2019re a small country that needs trade so that we can afford the things that we can\u2019t produce efficiently\u2014the cars, the computers, the mobile phones, and the medicines that we import, and that to pay for them we need to sell products and services that we produce competitively so that we can provide the means for all New Zealanders to enjoy a decent standard of living.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThis is a very significant agreement. Of our exports, we expect a third of our goods and services\u2014about $15 billion in goods and $6.8 billion in services\u2014to go CPTPP partners. Economic modelling has shown, in the national interest analysis, that once this is fully into effect, the agreement is expected to increase real GDP by between $1.2 billion and $4 billion per annum. That\u2019s additional sales every year, effectively, of exports to the rest of the world of those amounts. On the other hand, if CPTPP goes ahead without New Zealand, the modelling estimates that our GDP will decline\u2014we\u2019d go backwards\u2014by a more modest $183 million, but, none the less, the relativity of those figures shows that there are clear economic benefits. Tariff reductions alone could deliver an estimated $222 million of savings annually\u2014$95 million of this accrues as soon as the CPTPP comes into force. These are large numbers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EEarly ratification also means an immediate levelling of the playing field for many New Zealand exporters in some crucial markets. I\u2019ll give you some practical examples. For kiwifruit, New Zealand exporters incur a tariff of 6.4 percent in Japan. Chile, a key competitor in this high-value market pays a zero tariff because of its existing free trade agreement with Japan. On entry into force of the CPTPP, New Zealand will be on an equal footing with Chile, and this will represent tariff savings of more than $26 million to that industry. That will flow through to\u2014amongst other things\u2014higher wages in that sector and profits for the owners.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003ECPTPP will also immediately remove Australian beef exporters\u2019 current tariff advantage over New Zealand in Japan. This has resulted in a very steep decline in New Zealand exports of beef to Japan. It\u2019s one of, if not our premium value markets in the world, and there\u2019s been a loss of $53 million to the industry per annum because of the disadvantage we currently suffer relative to Australia. On entry into force, we immediately gain duty free access to our fourth-largest wine market, Canada. Further, New Zealand wine has tariff reductions in Japan\u2014where we currently pay 15 percent tariff, whereas Chile and Australia only pay 4.6 and 9.5 percent respectively. All of these things affect not just the amount that we sell things for but the volume of what we sell.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EImportantly, it\u2019s not just major exporters who will benefit. Many of New Zealand\u2019s small and medium enterprises will benefit too. For example, the cost of the, quite low, 3 percent tariff to the buttercup squash producers\u2014you might think, 3 percent, well, it\u2019s not that much. Actually, it\u2019s worth $50,000 each to the 30 or so producers of buttercup squash in New Zealand who sell to Japan. That\u2019s quite a bit of money, and it will save around $19,500 in tariffs for each of the commercial growers of onions who sell into Japan. So these things make a real difference for real people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EWhile crucial market outcomes have been retained\u2014and I thank the prior Minister, Todd McClay, for his negotiation of those\u2014they are effectively a carryover from TPP that were kept alive by the prior Minister\u2019s good efforts. What were suspended were various other provisions that were problematic for New Zealand. Of the five points that we took into the election that we wanted to see adequately dealt with, the first I\u2019ll mention is the Treaty clause. We\u2019ve got a fantastic Treaty clause in New Zealand. It\u2019s been to the Waitangi Tribunal. They gave it a very good pass. They said, \u201CLook, you could tweak it here, tweak it there, to make it even better.\u201D But the advice that we accepted from officials was that, in practice, you can\u2019t do that, because if you reopen it you\u2019ll go backwards. Most other countries\u2014in fact, no other country has a clause like that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EOn Pharmac, the Pharmac model had already been protected by the prior Government. We wanted to avoid some of the increased costs, though, caused by longer patent terms for medicines\u2014particularly, biological drugs\u2014and to avoid some transparency costs. Those are fixed by CPTPP and don\u2019t apply.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThe right to regulate, whether it\u2019s environment, public health, tax, education system, State-owned enterprises, or appropriate environmental or safety regulation\u2014this is all protected. Whether it\u2019s for plain packaging cigarettes or for climate change, we\u2019re protected. In respect of land, as you know, we\u2019ve protected the sovereign right of this Government and future Governments to protect New Zealand against\u2014or to control\u2014foreign buyers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EWe think that we\u2019ve protected the sovereignty risk. The one are we didn\u2019t completely succeed in was investor-State dispute settlement clauses. We\u2019ve narrowed them. We\u2019ve got various side agreements with a number of countries that we won\u2019t apply them bilaterally within the agreement as between those countries. So we got, effectively, letters covering 80 percent of current investment flows under CPTPP countries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EOn sustainable development, it\u2019s a fantastic agreement. It\u2019s why it\u2019s called \u201CComprehensive and Progressive\u201D. We have the most comprehensive outcomes on sustainability of any trade agreement we\u2019ve ever been able to get on both labour and environment. Vietnam is required to bring its labour standards up to international norms, albeit over a period of time, and it is enforceable through trade remedies after a period if they didn\u2019t\u2014they\u2019re given time to adjust.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EIn respect of fisheries, New Zealand\u2019s carried this torch for 20 years and we\u2019ve never been able to get enforceable rules in our trade agreements where countries promise that they will not subsidise illegal or unreported fishing in other people\u2019s waters, which is what happens around the world at the moment. We have trade disciplines around that, and the countries agreed not to do it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EFinally, we\u2019ve got some various side agreements to pursue with our partners Canada and Chile\u2014a progressive and inclusive trade agenda, including issues relating to gender, M\u0101ori, and small to medium enterprises.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EFinally, I want to mention the strategic importance of CPTPP post the global financial crisis. There have been over 3,200 new trade restrictive measures introduced and only 850 dismantled. We\u2019ve seen trade escalation in recent months\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022 data-id=\u0022b09a97e6da964bf5be611b536c460f83\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b09a97e6da964bf5be611b536c460f83\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: I apologise to the Minister. Your time has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022 data-id=\u002253e2ad2589304e34944b3410d7098f1b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002253e2ad2589304e34944b3410d7098f1b\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR (National\u2014T\u0101maki):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. I\u2019m pleased to speak in support of this agreement and in support of this bill. Can I acknowledge the Minister that has taken a seat, David Parker, for the work that he has led here and, too, who he actually called the Prime Minister. I think he was the then\u2014he\u2019s very flattered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d224f49ba2c04a0f85b0646d2c1b34c3\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: Prior Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022684314e7ae61437e8a0e634627271430\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, prior\u2014my hearing. On this side of the House we began to think it was the Prime Minister. It was quite the promotion. But, returning to seriousness, to acknowledge the Minister in his work and the prior Minister, Todd McClay.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll leave it up to other colleagues to discuss how much this agreement, the Comprehensive and Progressive Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP), has changed from the Trans-Pacific Partnership. It hasn\u2019t been substantial, but I will myself not get so much into that, as the chair of the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee, and, instead, will focus on a little bit about the process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EFirst and foremost, it was a good engagement with the public. We had over 500 people who wrote in to us and around 30 who wished to be heard. The committee was very keen to progress that through, and I want to thank all those submitters for their time. Many were familiar to us\u2014they had also engaged in our prior treaty analysis some weeks and months prior. I think it was quite good for the committee to hear once again their core concerns.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ECan I thank too the committee\u2014the members there, who worked through this. There were very robust discussions, as often\u2014and always, actually\u2014happens in the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b654bc266a244bc2a023bdff11ee4e33\u0022\u003EBrett Hudson\u003C/span\u003E: Can you detail the contributions of each member?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022084ba5ef7cba42518dee347519db372c\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m being asked if the contributions of each member are discussed here. No. You can come and join the committee sometime, Brett Hudson. But, actually the committee worked quite hard on this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EI think it\u2019s quite important to note we have returned this bill to the House early but not in any rushed fashion. I have been asked questions of \u201CWasn\u2019t this meant to be coming back some time in December?\u201D That\u2019s, strictly, when we could\u2014or rather the amount of time that we did have, but the committee felt that we were able to deal with the discussions, engage the public appropriately, hear their views, and report back swiftly, first and foremost, because we didn\u2019t need to prolong the process, and, secondly, I think, because most members of the House\u2014and certainly on this side of the House\u2014see the benefit of New Zealand depositing the CPTPP as soon as possible. Being one of the key countries, some of the key negotiators, being a great champion of this free-trade agreement, New Zealand wants to symbolically show that by being one of the early adopters. So, again, the committee has been happy to report back to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EReally importantly, it was a little bit like other treaties that we\u2019ve had. What we were dealing with is a piece of legislation. It\u2019s only a few pages\u2014important as they are. But one of the elements we had to engage with was some submitters and the general public was the understanding that we were no longer really discussing the treaty as a whole. What we were discussing in the select committee was a very particular piece of legislation, which in effect takes this treaty, which sits within the realm of the executive to decide to sign or not. We were looking at a piece of legislation\u2014which, effectively, takes an international treaty; in this case a trade treaty\u2014and gives it domestic effect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EWhy I mention that is a number of people were, understandably, coming to express once again their concerns, as they had done when we looked at the national interest analysis and looked at the treaty as a whole. We\u2019ve attempted, in our select committee report, to reflect those arguments; though strictly speaking they didn\u2019t actually relate to the bill. Again, the bill is quite a technical set of clauses to bring about, in New Zealand\u2019s domestic legislation, the powers which are needed to bring that international treaty into effect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ESo we tried to balance that. As the Minister noted, we made a few suggested minor changes there, and I think it\u2019s in particular thanks to his and other officials who have helped guide us through that. It\u2019s a good piece of legislation and I believe, overall, a very good trade agreement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EI would just finish by acknowledging one thing. There was and always has been a bit of debate in the trade space around\u2014we heard gender was mentioned, indigenous rights, and so forth. There\u2019s sort of a wider discussion going on in the committee at the moment as to what degree, if any, trade agreements should be used to further much, much wider causes. In other words, one side says, actually, a trade agreement is a great opportunity to talk gender and indigenous rights, to put forward climate targets, and so forth\u2014it should be very, very broad and using trade as a lever. On the other side, there\u2019s some debate that says, actually, keep the trade agreement a trade agreement, and one should not be using that economic leverage to push other philosophies and agendas. I\u2019m obviously not going to answer that today. I\u2019m only one member of the committee. But I just wanted to signal there\u2019s a wider discussion. So I\u2019m pleased, as the chair of the committee, to speak in the second reading, and we\u2019ll leave the more political side to other colleagues in their contributions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022 data-id=\u0022dc95b17156c8460fb7dd21f12ebb264f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dc95b17156c8460fb7dd21f12ebb264f\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E It is a real pleasure to take a call on this bill. Labour Governments through the ages have supported trade agreements on the basis that they improve the wealth of a country. What we regard as incredibly important in the Labour Party, and I know across the coalition Government, is making sure that the benefits of trade are shared across the whole population, so that we have an inclusive economy that looks to support all of its members from the economic gains that come from trade. In fact, the first Labour Government, of course, fought for agricultural access into the UK, and Labour Governments since then have done that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EThis Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) is one that includes suspensions from the original Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) text to ensure that New Zealand\u2019s interests are better protected. I do want to acknowledge, at the outset, the trade Minister, David Parker, for his significant contribution, both in terms of intellectual leadership when in Opposition and fighting many of these battles about what could be improved in the TPP deal in order for it to be acceptable for this side of the House; and also in Government as he negotiated things like ensuring that we do have the right, as a sovereign Government, to ban non-resident buyers from our housing market\u2014speculators from overseas wanting to push up house prices here. So I want to really acknowledge, in my short contribution, David Parker\u2019s significant personal contribution to this piece of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EI also want to acknowledge Simon O\u2019Connor, the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee chair, for the process that he ran in the select committee. I\u2019m informed that it was both a very thorough process but also a prompt process that went the full course but came back to the House in time to ensure New Zealand would be one of the first six countries to ratify the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, meaning that New Zealand gains the benefits immediately\u2014immediately the treaty comes into force. That will mean tariff reductions, for example, on kiwifruit, which will be eliminated straight away. It means also the elimination of New Zealand sheep meat tariffs, including locking in preferential rates to Canada, which is New Zealand\u2019s seventh-largest sheep meat market. It also means that tariffs on forestry products will be eliminated over time. So there are a range of very valuable gains for New Zealand that will come into force, some of them immediately, because there was a very constructive process in bringing this back to the House. So I do acknowledge the select committee chair, Simon O\u2019Connor, for his contribution to this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EI don\u2019t wish to say much more, other than to reinforce that for us on this side of the House, it is very important that the benefits of trade are shared across the population, that all New Zealanders should gain from the benefits of trade from a wealthier economy. We will be making sure, as a Government, that we support low and modest income families, as well as those who trade directly and benefit directly from the trade access. Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022 data-id=\u00229d6b6b1e94094ec2ae25d1dd7970539b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229d6b6b1e94094ec2ae25d1dd7970539b\u0022\u003EHon TODD McCLAY (National\u2014Rotorua):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. It gives me pleasure to rise and speak in the second reading debate on this piece of legislation, which is extremely important to every single New Zealander. The reason for that is quite simple: when it comes to trade, trade creates jobs, and jobs deliver for New Zealanders and for their families. We are a trading nation, and so the revised Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), or the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP)\u2014it\u2019s quite a mouthful. It might even be the first time, Mr Parker, that I\u2019ve said it in full there, the CPTPP, and it could well be the last. The point here, though, is that it is virtually identical to the original TPP.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003ENow, I think that what we should do in this House when it comes to trade is put the small part of politics aside so that what we can do is what\u2019s right for New Zealand. There will always be an opportunity to say that deals can be better. Maybe there are parts of them that should change over time, but, ultimately, when it comes to the things that are important to New Zealanders\u2014the last speaker said \u201CSharing in the benefits of trade.\u201D\u2014there isn\u2019t any difference between this and the original TPP when it comes to sharing those benefits. When it comes to what most New Zealanders actually think of trade, which is the trade in goods and the trade in services, equally there is no difference. That\u2019s why this is a good piece of legislation, a good bill, and a good trade deal: because the original TPP was also.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EThe last speaker, David Clark, who now looks after health for the Government but previously was a trade spokesman when he was in Opposition, mentioned a couple of areas that, actually, New Zealanders\u2014exporters and producers\u2014will benefit from straight away. He mentioned sheep meat and kiwifruit and forestry products. Equally, under the revised TPP, their treatment into these markets, the tariff rates that fall away, are identical to the original TPP deal. That\u2019s what makes this a good deal, because the last one was good as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EI just want to touch on forestry products for a moment and make a plea to the trade Minister, Mr Parker. It is good, when we think of the environment, that we now get to export forestry products and wood products\u2014processed or otherwise\u2014from New Zealand to these markets without any tariff restrictions on them. That\u2019s a good thing for New Zealanders. It does mean that some of those barriers at the ports that hold back the adding of value to logs in New Zealand before they are exported are coming down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EEqually, there is a lot of work to do around non-tariff barriers. If we take the free-trade agreement with China\u2014and the New Zealand wood export industry believes they don\u2019t have a free-trade agreement with China\u2014actually, in many cases, the products that could get to that market are not able to because of standards, because of non-tariff barriers. We need to continue to focus on those, but there is also a debate going on in the World Trade Organization (WTO) around the Environmental Goods Agreement. It\u2019s imperative that when Mr Parker and our negotiators go back to the WTO and the debate around the Environmental Goods Agreement kicks in again, we insist that we get wood products as part of that agreement and that the tariffs fall away. The reason for that is we now have it under TPP, which is very important for our wood-processing industry\u2014imperative for adding value in New Zealand\u2014so that it\u2019s not just logs going across the border.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EBut the Environmental Goods Agreement is much larger than just the TPP and, therefore, if we can deliver the same outcome in the Environmental Goods Agreement as was under the National Government and TPP, then actually the vast majority of the world, very large markets, including if the US is still there around the WTO, then the US market opens up to us, and that really will benefit so many parts of New Zealand and our wood processors. So, I encourage him to continue to fight that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EThe one area in the original TPP where I think we would all have liked to have seen greater movement, particularly around tariffs, was around dairy. It wasn\u2019t able to be delivered, but we took the position in Government that although it wasn\u2019t perfect, it was better than not having the deal, given the significant size of the markets into these countries that we wanted New Zealanders to export into, and at the same time we would find other ways to come back and to improve dairy access. And I would again implore Mr Parker, as he hops on a plane next week\u2014to head off, as good trade Ministers do, to go and talk to other countries about better access for Kiwis\u2014and he\u2019s on his way to Washington: actually, it\u2019s a very short detour to go to Colombia to talk to them about the Pacific Alliance trade agreement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EThe thing about the Pacific Alliance trade agreement is that it has four countries in it. Three of them we now have a trade deal with, which was the TPP and now the revised TPP. One of them we have a trade deal directly with, which is Chile. So, for those four counties under TPP, for two of them, it\u2019s a first deal: Mexico and Peru. And the problem we have under TPP is our dairy access to Mexico\u2014and some other product\u2014is not perfect. It was held back because of resistance, primarily from the US, and the US has better access for dairy than New Zealand does. That needs to be fixed. Well, it hasn\u2019t been fixed in the revised TPP because market access remained the same, but it was always going to be revised and made better in the Pacific Alliance. That\u2019s why it\u2019s concerning to hear Mr Parker say that some of these countries are not sure they want to do it now because they have the TPP. Well, that\u2019s fine for them because there is no barrier around tariff for their goods to come to New Zealand for anything under TPP\u2014over time or straight away\u2014but for dairy into Mexico there is, and that was the reason for the Pacific Alliance deal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EThe second part of the reason that the Pacific Alliance is important is that Colombia is not part of the revised TPP. It is not a large market for New Zealand, because they\u2019ve gone through many years of guerrilla warfare and they\u2019ve been closed off to much of the world. But we supported them and encouraged them, and they found peace last year. Last year, they agreed to take part in the Pacific Alliance trade negotiation that includes New Zealand. Their market is opening up to the world; their economy is growing quickly. It\u2019s important we have a trade deal with them, because they were not able to come to the revised TPP. I think they want to, but Mr Parker needs to say to them on his way to Washington next week, if he\u2019s able to stop off, that if they want to get access to these other countries that are in the revised TPP, they cannot without New Zealand\u2019s agreement, because it takes a unanimous agreement of all of those countries, and they must remain committed to the Pacific Alliance trade negotiation. It\u2019s the only way we\u2019re going to get better access for dairy and other products in Mexico, it\u2019s the only way we\u2019re going to get a trade deal with Colombia quite quickly, and I would encourage him to do that. It\u2019s very, very important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EIt was disappointing that Columbia didn\u2019t send negotiators to the formal trade negotiation of the Pacific Alliance trade deal in New Zealand last month, but it\u2019s not too late. Mr Parker shouldn\u2019t give up on the Pacific Alliance trade deal. He needs to go and see them and convince them. That\u2019s what a hard-working trade Minister does.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EThe final thing I want to say is that, when it came to the TPP, we were the second country after Japan to ratify it. I remember the night it happened in this House, when everybody said it was over, it was a waste of time, that the National Government and I, as trade Minister, were wasting this Parliament\u2019s time: the deal was dead. I want to congratulate the trade negotiators and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade for not accepting what the Opposition at that time had said to them, for getting on planes and going over and persuading everywhere. Our current ambassador to the WTO, and our current lead negotiator, Vangelis Vitalis, got on planes day after day, night after night, and went around the remaining countries of the TPP without the US, and convinced them of the importance of this deal. If those trade negotiators had listened to the Labour Party and the Green Party and the New Zealand First Party and the M\u0101ori Party at that time, this deal would not be in front of us, it would not be done, and New Zealand would be poorer for it, both through access to these other countries and also New Zealanders whose jobs depend upon those exports.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003EWe have some exceptional trade negotiators\u2014the best in the world. When they turn up to these trade negotiations, they are the smallest groups there. They don\u2019t have the hundreds of officials, but they punch above their weight. It\u2019s them who deserve all of the credit for delivering the deal. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u0022e3af8dcb851c4215be52228415426877\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e3af8dcb851c4215be52228415426877\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora n\u014D tatou. During the course of my speech I\u2019m going to avoid tying my tongue with the acronym; I\u2019m going to call it the Trans-Pacific Agreement, for fear of muddling not the vowels but the consonants. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EFirst thing, one of the most challenging decisions that we had was to recover the territory so there was partisanship in our New Zealand political system. Now, I know that the former ambassador to Washington is the self-decreed trade expert of the world, and I know that our colleague from Rotorua, Todd McClay, was disappointed, but this is a vastly improved bill. I say that because there are very few other issues\u2014[Interruption] Fortunately, this bill will lower the cost of bibs for young Bidois to wear, as he is the baby of this k\u014Dhanga reo backbencher society. A koe\u2014me turituri ina t\u016B t\u014D rangatira a Shane Jones.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[And you\u2014you should be quiet while your elder Shane Jones is standing to speak.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ESo I would say that it was a difficult and challenging task to recover that territory, but it\u2019s worth fighting for because it\u2019s sovereignty. Now, where David Parker actually led us was to ensure that we had enough safeguards in the revised foreign direct investment rules, under the overseas investment legislation, so that when we sign up and we go forward as an open trading nation we\u2019ve kept enough gunpowder of a legislative nature back home to protect the interests that define us as Kiwis. That\u2019s worth fighting for. Now, I\u2019m not quite in the space of Jane Kelsey and Annette Sykes and a host of other conspiracists, but they did make a good point. We should not ever have surrendered to a shadowy, vague, unelected group of self-appointed jurists to deal to our interests in a disputes resolution process in the way it was devised under the last Government. And that was a fair criticism, not necessarily because of the zest with which the Opposition pursued this but because they were unwilling to stand up to certain corporate interests. So, in that respect, we have done a great job by securing a stronger base for us as a bunch of parliamentarians and political parties to be better stewards of our sovereignty.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EOn the question of those other nations, I think there\u2019s a fault line that\u2019s emerged, and I read recently that the current President of the USA has pretty much said to Mexico and Canada that if they ever consider doing a trade deal with China, he will extinguish and cancel that trade deal that\u2019s he\u2019s just agreed to overnight. I presume he has similar views about the EU and Brexit, and I presume what that represents is a major challenge to what we\u2019ve taken for granted as an open trading system\u2014the orthodoxy of the last 30 years, and we\u2019ve been key contributors. So whilst we are keen to defend our birthright, we have bigger battles ahead of us. The fact that we\u2019ve hung tight, we\u2019ve moderated, we\u2019ve improved this legislation, and we\u2019ve actually defended it from excesses that would have come our way in the future\u2014now we need to continue the mission.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThe one thing I do agree with Mr McClay about, not necessarily about Colombia or anything, is being a standout performer in not only joining other nations to the fray but leading the way with innovation\u2014not only with political leadership; with executive leadership\u2014and for those reasons we are thoroughly proud of our leader, Winston Peters, our Deputy Prime Minister, for boosting the p\u016Btea of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade. It is not inexpensive, and it is not glamorous going to all of these places, but unless we, a relatively small fish in the global sea of politics, are there\u2014kanohi kitea\u2014constantly affirming the importance of rules, constantly reminding our bigger players that there is greater wealth by working together whilst at the same time not selling ourselves out, we\u2019re laying down a better platform for the next bunch of politicians that come and for the next generation of entrepreneurs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ENow, there is unfinished work in respect of refining the next stage of improvements for the China free-trade deal, and that\u2019s in the capable hands of our colleague over here. But I would say to corporate New Zealand: we do a certain level of the heavy lifting, but the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not the \u201CMinistry of Fonterra\u201D. They too have to join the fray and constantly demonstrate to garden-variety Kiwis that the international set of rules that enables us to trade is for the benefit for all, not just the big end of town. And their unwillingness to join in that endeavour only worsens the prospects of the fault line leaving long-term damage. I\u2019ve constantly said this, but the banks recently don\u2019t like it. That bothers me not one iota; it only proves that I\u2019m more provincially attuned than they are.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ESo we support the bill. We support the efforts of the Minister, and I do want to acknowledge Todd McClay. It just required a more mature trade Minister to refine and get it over the line, with the entirety of New Zealand behind it. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022 data-id=\u00224195ec7fb50e465aabef685eb34d531b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224195ec7fb50e465aabef685eb34d531b\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL (National\u2014Rodney):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker, and it is a pleasure to take a call on this, the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (CPTPP) Amendment Bill. I\u2019m going to refer to it as the \u201CTrans-Pacific agreement\u201D also. Can I acknowledge the Minister. I sat on the select committee with the Hon David Parker when we had the original Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement in front of the committee and we received hundreds of submissions\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022132cd610e3c540bea11f5cceb8ba82f7\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: It was David Clark.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002290c214c646744f1d86d36f84d894f7f1\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, was it David Clark, was it? I stand corrected.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fed8ea44839a45aeb2a3f174eff53fde\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: It was Korea, you and me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cac5d33216df42a0a361be1cc515d77a\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, it was Korea? I stand corrected. Well, that was another very good free-trade agreement that we now see delivering great results for our country, and it just highlights the importance, as a small but proud trading nation down the bottom of the world\u2014that these quality free-trade agreements are actually critically important for us. They add a lot of value in terms of our companies and our businesses and our products that we want to trade around the world. In fact, if you look at it\u2014I may stand corrected, but the last time I checked\u2014for the countries that we do have free-trade agreements with, generally speaking, our trade increases by about 10 percent annually. For countries that we don\u2019t have free-trade agreements with, actually that trend is reversed; it drops by about 10 percent annually. So it actually highlights and shows the importance of these very good free-trade agreements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EI have to say that if we go through the history of the original Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), it did fall over, and I remember very clearly going and attending a debate in Wellington with the Hon Grant Robertson in front of a business crowd and he made it very clear to me when we were talking about the TPP. At that stage, I said, \u201CLook, I always see the world through a glass half full, and I believe that if we work hard enough and if we\u2019re able to get our partners back engaged in it, then I believe\u201D\u2014and this is when America pulled out of the TPP\u2014\u201Cit could be revived.\u201D I thought that we could get it back on track again. The Hon Grant Robertson took a very, very different view. He said, \u201CForget about it and move on. You\u2019ll never breathe life back into it. It\u2019s failed. It\u2019s been an abject failure. You guys have failed on it. Move on.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003ESo I was very pleased when actually our trade Minister, the Hon Todd McClay, who spoke earlier, supported obviously by the Prime Minister, went out there\u2014and actually I wanted to acknowledge the Japanese Prime Minister and the Japanese Government because, really, what they did is they stepped up and they took a real lead on this in terms of being a critical player in revitalising the TPP and getting it back on track again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223405f623a7df4adb9a9380d7f777c1fe\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: They still are.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f8b7dde9a8a463aa1afe8b303a4304b\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, and they still are. The Minister was just saying they still are. So I just want to acknowledge them. And while I\u2019m making acknowledgments, the Hon Todd McClay did ask me\u2014and I agree with him entirely\u2014to acknowledge David Walker from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT), because he was, I think, the original MFAT negotiator working on the country\u2019s behalf with his team, and I just want to say that this team was world class and they definitely did an outstanding negotiation for us, and so I want to acknowledge him and the team that worked on this. And I want to acknowledge the team that have carried that great work on, serving the current Minister and making sure we get this agreement across the line. It is critically important for the country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EI have to acknowledge the Hon Shane Jones and the fact that he made reference to Professor Jane Kelsey, because Professor Jane Kelsey engaged with the committee in a very respectful way. I actually arranged some additional meetings\u2014some private meetings\u2014with her with the committee so that she could advance the issues and we could look at the issues that she\u2019d raised. She was clearly against the TPP. She has her own very firm ideas and positions around what trade agreements should look like for this country, and it was very clear that she was against the TPP in that form. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EI remember when we had select committee submissions and she came along. She would get a very warm welcome from the Opposition members\u2014the Labour members and the Green members. They\u2019d welcome her, they\u2019d make sure that the chair was pulled out, and she\u2019d get a cup of tea and maybe, if she was lucky, a cucumber sandwich as well. Then, it was very interesting when the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) was brought to this House, and Jane Kelsey was able to have a look at the text and to have a look at the agreement. What did she do? She came out in strong opposition to the CPTPP. She thought it was still a very poor agreement, and so what did the Labour Party do? They shunned her. They wanted nothing to do with her\u2014no more cups of tea, no more cucumber sandwiches, and no more having the chair pulled out. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003ESo I just find it quite ironic, actually, that the Hon Shane Jones raised Professor Jane Kelsey and said that she was opposed to the TPP. She remains opposed to the CPTPP. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f6b288ecb3024221b896a9a7f41de5a9\u0022\u003EHon Willie Jackson\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, but not as much. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022311c19198c4e4b5a8a8dcd43bf52a78e\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: No, just as much, Willie. Don\u2019t you worry about that. So, finally\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca37bc407db74a7aab64f1c35785cc65\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! I just remind you to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022691919e94405491c96d19e26c819bd31\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry\u2014the Hon Willie Jackson. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022824d78a5628144f69935dc14c2c00057\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277d5e1cd56644592a677ea7803ea3620\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: No, her level of opposition remains exactly the same as it was with the TPP. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003ELook, finally, I\u2019d just like to say that we do support this free-trade agreement. They are very important to New Zealand. We need to maintain a robust programme in terms of continuing to develop free-trade agreements all around the world to make sure that we continue to offer our country the ability to sell our wonderful goods. Thank you very much. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022 data-id=\u002295377b80b61d469eb7c24ab241cd3d1b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002295377b80b61d469eb7c24ab241cd3d1b\u0022\u003EGOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. It\u2019s a privilege to rise to speak in opposition to this bill again, as a lone voice representing the Green Party in this House. We remain opposed to the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement (TPPA), to the Comprehensive and Progressive Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement (CPTPPA), and to any Act of this Parliament that would enable the implementation of that agreement, or those agreements that do seem to overlap eerily.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de41585117e14ed4b7a6cf8d36318aab\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: They\u2019re different.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237656157257d49478a0a5bf721e3f02e\u0022\u003EGOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN\u003C/span\u003E: Not according to Professor Kelsey.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003EWe do support trade. New Zealand needs trade. We\u2019re a small country and we need trade, but not much of the 6,000 pages of this particular deal seem to relate to actual trade. They do, however, lay out in minute detail the privileges of foreign multinational corporations that we\u2019re giving up over the rights and interests of New Zealanders, of ordinary people, and of our environment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003EWe agree with the two-thirds\u2014two-thirds; yeah, it was actually as high as that\u2014of submitters who oppose this bill and who know the chilling effect that that agreement and, through it, this bill will have on New Zealand\u2019s democracy. Most submitters\u2014the overwhelming majority\u2014raised concern with the remainder of the investor-State dispute settlement (ISDS) mechanism in this bill through the trade agreement. That is to say that this House of Representatives, this elected body, this supreme Parliament, is about to pass into law an Act that allows a mechanism to sit above New Zealand\u2019s law, above this House of Representatives, and above our courts in giving privileges to foreign multinational corporations, saying that this Parliament will take account of their profit margins alongside the interests of Kiwis, our workers\u2019 rights, environmental protection, and our commitment to the founding constitutional document of this nation, Te Tiriti o Waitangi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003EWe say that no lawmaker, no policy maker, should be taking account of the profit margins of any private body, let alone foreign multinationals, but that\u2019s what we\u2019re being asked to sign up to through this bill. That\u2019s what the submitters knew and they begged us not to do it, as they begged us not to sign on to this agreement, and as they begged us not to sign on to the TPPA, and it does remain largely unchanged. It represents an archaic form of trade, and we\u2019ve seen that model collapse. We\u2019ve seen the suffering that was caused by the latest global financial crisis, and we\u2019re signing on to the same model. That\u2019s not what New Zealanders voted for this election.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003ETo focus back on the bill, what we\u2019ve found most alarming in the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee\u2014and there were questions from both sides. There were questions from the Hon Todd McClay, and he made this clear, and the officials, in answering him, made it clear that what we\u2019re signing on to here with this bill means that the old TPPA can be reactivated through the joining of, say, the United States without further parliamentary oversight, without a select committee process, and without public input. This deal was sold to New Zealand through promises that it was changed, but we\u2019ve found out since then that even the old TPPA can come into law without further scrutiny.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003ENow, some of the changes that were made are real\u2014between the TPPA and the CPTPPA\u2014and they came in the form of suspended provisions. Some of those were, for example, the provision that now protects Pharmac in this deal so that Pharmac can independently protect the price and quality of medicine for New Zealanders. That was one. There are provisions that protect our patent and copyright law so that New Zealanders can compete on an even playing field against these large, established multinationals. These are good things. But we also learnt through the process and the officials told us that there is nothing in this bill that says that were a new member State to join, whether it\u2019s the US or any member State, those provisions could be lifted\u2014those suspensions could go\u2014without parliamentary oversight. So we are signing away our ability to oversee these changes\u2014the very changes that the coalition parties relied upon to sell this deal as a changed, new, progressive deal. All of that could go and there\u2019ll be no parliamentary oversight, no democratic process. That is chilling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003ESo the Green Party doesn\u2019t support the bill; we support democracy for New Zealanders. And we do support It\u2019s Our Future\u2019s call for, essentially, changes to the bill that say that no further ISDS can be added to this agreement without Parliament coming back and having a look at it. That\u2019s a big change but it\u2019s also still limited. But if we could at least say that if new member States are going to join and they will be signing on to a deal with ISDS in it with that mechanism sitting above our law, at least Parliament should have a say. We should at least get to look at it again, and that\u2019s how the bill could introduce some meaningful protection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003EBut what\u2019s more, we are saying that trade should change, that trade deals\u2014international agreements\u2014should always come to Parliament, that those deals shouldn\u2019t be allowed to be made with complete lack of transparency in those dark corners of the international financial markets where corporate lawyers agree to the text and it\u2019s years before the public are allowed to look at it. It\u2019s as a result of leaks that experts like Professor Jane Kelsey get to look at those deals and tell us what\u2019s in them and tell us what\u2019s been signed away. We say that it should be Parliament who decides what we sign on to in such a critical area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003ETrade, and a trade agreement particularly like this one, affects everything in our lives. If our health and our environment are on the line\u2014and we heard from so many sectors about the way they would be limited. The most chilling was hearing from the doctors. They asked what would happen if they want to introduce warnings on alcohol packaging to warn mothers against foetal alcohol syndrome. That\u2019s a problem in New Zealand. What happens if we want to introduce a sugar tax to protect the public against toxic junk food that\u2019s clogging up our health system and our standard of living?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003EMostly, as a Green, I want it noted that around the world where ISDS clauses identical to this have been used, they have been used to stop environmental protection from being implemented. This bill could affect our ability, for example, to reform our mining sector and say that exploration permits won\u2019t automatically turn into mining permits. Those are the types of progressive changes that we promised New Zealand this election and they could be at risk.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003ESo we won\u2019t support this bill because we support a truly progressive, transformative Government and change for New Zealand. We say that we owe it to the global order and we owe it to New Zealanders that we do trade differently from now on and we say that the vast majority against and the incredible, overwhelming opposition to this trade agreement and to this bill should mean that the Government rethinks ratifying the agreement through the bill. We say that\u2019s the only way to honour democracy in New Zealand. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022 data-id=\u0022343be58b2e6849ee92a539a40cbdaf89\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022343be58b2e6849ee92a539a40cbdaf89\u0022\u003EHon TIM MACINDOE (National\u2014Hamilton West):\u003C/span\u003E Kia orana, Madam Assistant Speaker. I\u2019d like to start with a number of positives because this is actually a very good moment for the House. I\u2019ll surprise Golriz Ghahraman, the Green member who\u2019s just resumed her seat, by praising her in the first instance, because while I disagree with her position, as do members of all the other parties in the House, I do respect the fact that it\u2019s important to have a voice in the House for those who are opposed to this agreement. I want to both acknowledge the very courteous way in which she engaged with all members of the committee and those who made submissions and acknowledge the fact that today, she is being the voice for those who are opposed to the agreement. So in a healthy democracy that\u2019s a good thing, and I acknowledge her for that. I also want to acknowledge the Hon David Parker and his predecessors the Hon Todd McClay and the Hon Tim Groser, because each of those three Ministers has made a very substantial contribution to this very significant development in our trading relationships, which is going to have an immensely positive benefit for our economy and for jobs in our primary production and export markets. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EBut I dare say that members of the public who may be watching this debate today will be having a degree of puzzlement about the fact that we are even doing this because they\u2019ll feel that this is an argument that has been held now over a very long period of time, and they\u2019re correct. I dare say that they\u2019ll be experiencing a degree of d\u00E9j\u00E0 vu, perhaps wondering why do we need to do all of this when they have such vivid memories of all the argy-bargy and the protests that accompanied the original Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement (TPPA) debates, and we can all remember those. I certainly remember those who were camped out\u2014well, not camped outside my office, but who protested outside my electorate office in Hamilton, and who scribbled on the cobblestones and did all sorts of things. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EThe passage of the original Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement\u2014which is an agreement simply reincarnated in this new agreement\u2014was something that was contentious and, not least, was opposed by members opposite who are now so quick to embrace it, and yet, essentially, what we are talking about is an agreement that has two rather fancy words added: \u201Ccomprehensive\u201D and \u201Cprogressive\u201D. They sound good, but they are actually fairly meaningless. I doubt whether anybody could tell us why adding \u201CComprehensive and Progressive\u201D is substantially changing an agreement that is in all other respects, apart from some very minor changes, the same. Why those two words should make such a difference is beyond me, and so I commend the Hon Shane Jones for ditching them when he stood up and said, \u201CWell, I\u2019m just going to call it for what it is: the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002252bec099c88e48a88e12b4cd3d740a45\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Did he say that? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022696b10352e874935bf9cd024046783c8\u0022\u003EDarroch Ball\u003C/span\u003E: He didn\u2019t say that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002265553e594cb242db89ab3814c8253ee5\u0022\u003EHon TIM MACINDOE\u003C/span\u003E: He did. That\u2019s exactly what he said. But it was his colleagues in New Zealand First and Labour who huffed and puffed for a very long time when they were in Opposition. They expressed outrage about the enormous damage that the TPPA would do to our country, and yet now, because they\u2019re in Government, it\u2019s the greatest thing since sliced bread as far as trade arrangements are concerned. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022038951dfb08444d49a845c5a72537840\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Now, it\u2019s great. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f424262b7fe54fd4a6613a27dae8cfa2\u0022\u003EHon TIM MACINDOE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the member opposite is interjecting, but it\u2019s worthwhile\u2014he wasn\u2019t on the select committee; I was\u2014pointing out that those who came to submit to our committee on this bill essentially said \u201CIt\u2019s the same thing.\u201D, and particularly those who opposed it could see no significant difference at all. They put in their submissions opposing the original TPPA with great feeling and conviction, and came along and argued their point and had some support from those parties who are now in Government. Now, those parties who are now in Government have turned their backs on these same submitters, who are feeling quite dispirited and defeated by the fact that they actually feel really badly let down by those who claimed to express the views that they felt were so important. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EOf course, the real substantive difference between the TPPA and the new Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) is the absence of the United States, but I very much doubt that anybody in either the Labour Party or the New Zealand First Party is claiming any credit for the election of President Donald Trump and the fact that one of the first things he did on taking office was to sign his notice taking the USA out. Who are the countries who are left? Well, it is important. They\u2019re very substantial economies in some respects. Others are small, like New Zealand. They include New Zealand, Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, Singapore, and Vietnam. When\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002222a06f4f04b84351b07f4f8086632483\u0022\u003EDan Bidois\u003C/span\u003E: Some good countries there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fd49275236664e3683cb169d0b3dea39\u0022\u003EHon TIM MACINDOE\u003C/span\u003E: There are some very good countries, you are quite right, Mr Bidois\u2014particularly Japan. It is particularly significant that Japan is in there, because that\u2019s been a market New Zealand has wanted to be able to deal with\u2014a hugely significant economy\u2014and it\u2019s been fiendishly difficult to have a trading relationship with Japan up until now that would maximise the benefits. Here, this agreement does that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ffd9a903e5c439294bfc420eb48ac83\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Yep, we got that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227649a7a1660c4a668a18f2ea60caa7b9\u0022\u003EHon TIM MACINDOE\u003C/span\u003E: So that is, as Mr McAnulty is acknowledging\u2014and I\u2019m happy to agree with him. This makes a real difference. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EBut I remember that I was driving to Auckland\u2014it must have been the morning of 8 March, or the next day\u2014just after Mr Parker and other trade Ministers had signed the agreement in Chile, and I remember listening to Radio New Zealand interviewing the Minister of Foreign Affairs, because the Minister for Trade and Export Growth was, obviously, away in Chile. So the Minister of Foreign Affairs, a certain Mr Peters, was invited on to the programme. Even by his particularly cantankerous standards that he tends to adopt when he\u2019s asked to be awake in the morning, he was extraordinarily aggressive, and the Radio New Zealand interviewer became more and more incredulous at the fact that Mr Peters was, effectively, arguing black was white. Everything that he had previously stood by he was now completely denying had ever been his view. He was trying to argue substantive differences. Nobody was taking it seriously\u2014in particular, not the Radio New Zealand interviewer\u2014and it was probably one of the least edifying experiences that anybody in broadcasting or those who listen to Radio New Zealand has had to endure for some time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EWhen we were in the select committee, we heard that there is a very good reason for New Zealand being among the first countries to ratify the domestic requirements for implementation of this agreement\u2014and, of course, by doing what we\u2019re doing now, we should be on target to ratify the agreement by the end of this year, and I am very pleased to be able to contribute to that process. I\u2019ve mentioned that many of those who came along to submit expressed their considerable disappointment, but there were some very substantial submissions from leading export groups that represent our exporters who were, naturally, very strongly in favour and delighted to see that what they thought had come to an end was back on the table again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EWe heard oral evidence from 33 submitters at our hearings in Wellington, out of the 577 written submissions that were received. I wasn\u2019t on the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee in the previous Parliament when all of the consideration of the original TPPA was going through, but I hazard a guess that probably the submissions would have been at least 20 times that number, and probably took 20 times as long. I certainly remember that the committee had very long days and nights of meetings, including a lot of meetings outside of Wellington, so it was an extraordinary sort of experience to see how quietly this was all being dealt with. But, as I say, it was because those who were opposed to the agreement felt really badly let down by Labour and New Zealand First members, who had completely changed their minds on something for reasons that, really, no one who had made a submission against the bill accepted made a substantial difference at all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003ESo let me just conclude by noting, for people who might be listening, what is so important about this particular agreement. The economies included in the CPTPP account for 13.5 percent of the world\u2019s GDP. It\u2019s worth a total of US$10 trillion. Those 10 economies are the destination for 30 percent of New Zealand\u2019s goods exports, worth NZ$15 billion, and 31 percent of our services exports, worth NZ$6.8 billion annually. So this is very, very significant. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EAs I\u2019ve mentioned, it includes four of our top 10 trading partners: Australia, Japan, Singapore, and Malaysia. It also includes four countries with which we haven\u2019t previously had a free-trade agreement: Japan, Canada, Mexico, and Peru. We currently export over $5.5 billion of goods and services to those four countries, but imagine where things are going to head now. This is unlocking tremendous potential and opportunity. This will be not only great for our economy but it will create jobs in the export sector. It is a very good thing that it\u2019s happening. I\u2019m so pleased that those parties have had a change of mind, and I strongly support this bill and this agreement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022 data-id=\u0022da198f4340cc4830a2b591fb6fd539d7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022da198f4340cc4830a2b591fb6fd539d7\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: I understand this is a split call. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022 data-id=\u00221dc41a9af0f44c1aaba7b026afcbdb55\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221dc41a9af0f44c1aaba7b026afcbdb55\u0022\u003EMICHAEL WOOD (Labour\u2014Mt Roskill):\u003C/span\u003E In his comments earlier on in the debate, the Hon Todd McClay said that we should take the politics out of the conversation around trade, and in the brief contribution that I make today I want to refute that motion. I want to refute it very strongly, because it is my view that those of us in this House, in the political system, who want to strengthen trading relationships, who for the most part believe in free and open trade, are making a very, very bad mistake if we believe that ignoring legitimate community concerns about the world trading system, the distribution of wealth that it feeds into one way or another, and other such factors\u2014if we ignore those concerns, all we will do is drive the rage machine and undermine the agenda for trade.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003EI think what is the responsibility of members in this House is to actually engage with the community through our political system. Our political system is about mediating community concerns and feeding them into our decision making. For those of us who believe in free and open trade and the benefits that it brings, benefits which are brought through the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP), we will actually be doing that cause a disservice if we pretend that it is not political\u2014if we just put in a box and say, \u201CIt\u2019s a little technocratic project that is run by people in the political world and our diplomats, and don\u2019t you people worry about it. We\u2019ll take care of it. It\u2019s not political. It doesn\u2019t involve you.\u201D That is what has, in fact, driven the opposition and the concern about trade and about the previous Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement (TPPA), not just here in New Zealand, but around the world. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019m actually very proud of the position that the Labour Party has taken across the course of this issue, because before the TPPA was initially negotiated, every other party in this House had a position for or agin. The Labour Party was the only party which said, \u201CWe will judge the outcome of those negotiations on the basis of a series of tests based on our values\u2014based around issues such as the Treaty, the right to regulate for health and education, the right to control our own land, the issue of investor-State dispute settlement, and the position of Pharmac.\u201D We made our position based on whether the original agreement met those tests, and it didn\u2019t meet enough of them. That was the position we took. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003EI\u2019m then exceptionally proud that upon taking Government, the Hon David Parker and the Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern went to bat for this country\u2014went in, worked with partners in the agreement, and managed to bridge the gaps in most of those areas. So, for example, we ensured that we have the right to control the sale of land\u2014an issue that is incredibly important to New Zealanders. That is engaging in the democratic, the political process. That is about taking care of community concerns. And we can do that at the same time as negotiating a high-quality agreement such as this one that brings huge economic benefits to our country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003ESo that really is my message. If we want to rebuild the consensus around trade, which has broken down through the course of the TPPA process, we don\u2019t do that by ignoring politics. We do it by engaging with our community and engaging in politics, listening to the concerns, and rebuilding the consensus. This is a good bill because this Government, the Labour Party, has done that, and I commend it to the House. Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022 data-id=\u0022509f4b82ba2041ffb242242253f01997\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022509f4b82ba2041ffb242242253f01997\u0022\u003EDAN BIDOIS (National\u2014Northcote):\u003C/span\u003E Madam Assistant Speaker, it\u2019s a pleasure to take a brief call on what is a very important bill for New Zealand. There aren\u2019t really many bills that you can say have this much potential to make a difference to New Zealand\u2019s economy, both now and in the future. So it\u2019s a pleasure to take a call to support the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (CPTPP) Amendment Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EI want to pick up on something from a contribution from the Green Party before. It was Golriz Ghahraman who mentioned that this is an archaic law\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a8937d5c9b7449a7945d4ae33ae5179b\u0022\u003ESimeon Brown\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s not even passed yet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a4a5e56ef084c14a8e1f81d7a1665e7\u0022\u003EDAN BIDOIS\u003C/span\u003E: Exactly\u2014it hasn\u2019t even been passed. She should\u2019ve said it\u2019s an archaic bill. But I want to rebut that a bit, because I think that this bill is, in fact, very progressive. It\u2019s modern, and it is, really, the gold standard of new trade agreements going forward. I want to just spend a bit of time outlining how this trade agreement is, in fact, different from all the other trade agreements that New Zealand has signed and why this is unique.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EThe first is that it sets standards for trade throughout the Asia-Pacific region. The second is that it lowers barriers for services sectors across the region, and that includes people that want to move around and work, and it will give New Zealanders an opportunity to participate in a much larger global market. It creates a governance structure that will monitor and regulate trade across the region. It also creates channels for public-private collaboration on various trade issues. It\u2019s a catalyst for wider economic regional integration and political cooperation. That, in fact, is how this trade agreement differs from others that we have signed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EThe benefits of this trade agreement are very clear. It\u2019s going to promote a level playing field for all of our exporters, provide greater opportunities for our businesses and also our workers, and reduce the costs for exporters, and it also provides cheaper imports for New Zealand consumers. My colleague the Hon Tim Macindoe outlined some of the economic benefits of this trade agreement: 480 million people in the area of the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership with a combined GDP of well over $14 trillion, and the projections for how much economic value this trade agreement will add to New Zealand by 2040 is anywhere from $1.2 billion to $4 billion per annum, depending on the various scenarios that have been modelled. In terms of exporters, this trade agreement will provide up to $2.6 billion in economic impact in our export sector by 2040. That\u2019s going to make a real difference to our economy and provide opportunities, advance incomes, and make us all a wealthier more prosperous country in the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EThe National Party has a far longer history of supporting free trade than other parties in this House today. We believe in a country that is open to the world, where our businesses are global and think globally, and where we have opportunities for all of our people in a global country, but I do agree with the previous contribution by Michael Wood that we must continue to ensure that we get economic value out of our existing trade agreements and that it\u2019s not, in fact, enough that we sign an agreement and, there we go, that\u2019s it. We must do much more to make sure that the economic value is in fact realised, and therefore this side of the House will be making sure that the Government will be in fact delivering and engaging with the public of New Zealand, whether it be businesses and private citizens, to ensure that the economic benefits are in fact delivered from this agreement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EJust to outline my final contribution there: a special thanks to all of the people and parties who have been part of this process. It\u2019s been many years in the making, and I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022 data-id=\u00222c03f1e6f14a44d0ba87523ecaaa2dd2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222c03f1e6f14a44d0ba87523ecaaa2dd2\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare. This bill is not about whether we trade or not. I was going to do the \u201CTo trade or not to trade; that was not the question.\u201D, which is a truism. The bill, the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (CPTPP) Amendment Bill, was actually about ratifying the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) to ensure that we had six countries that were fit for purpose, really. It was incumbent on us to join Mexico, Japan, and Singapore, who have ratified, and with Australia, Canada, Chile, Peru, and Vietnam\u2014we\u2019re all in the process of ratifying. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge, as a member of the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee, that we had 577 submissions. We heard from 33 submitters. I too want to acknowledge the amazing advice that we always receive from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade and just highlight that there were actually two proposed areas of amendments that we made as a select committee to fully meet our obligations. The first was in the Copyright Act, and that was to ensure that we implemented two international treaties from the World Intellectual Property Organization related to Copyright Treaty and Performances and Phonograms Treaty. Also, there was an amendment in the Overseas Investment Act to remove references to significant business assets. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EBut what I really want to focus on for a minute or two is the 22 suspensions and how relevant they are. Everyone has been saying that the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) and the CPTPP are the same. Well, they\u2019re not, and I\u2019ll tell you why they\u2019re not. There are 22 suspensions, and of those 22 suspensions, seven of them require legislative change. Seven of them also require Parliament\u2019s examination, and what are they? So, in terms of legislation, copyright term extension: this suspension means \u201CNew Zealand will not be required to extend the term of protection for copyright from 50 years to 70\u201D. It requires legislative change. A Parliament examination\u2014an example: \u201CPharmac administrative changes: This suspension means Pharmac is no longer required to make certain administrative changes concerning the listing of new pharmaceutical products or medical devices for reimbursement purposes.\u201D It requires Parliamentary examination.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EActually, there\u2019s another one under a Standing Order that would require it to come back to Parliament to have the scrutiny of the House, and that\u2019s the delay of Government procurement negotiations: \u201CAny negotiation to expand coverage of the Government procurement chapter will be delayed until at least five years after the date of entry into force of the agreement.\u201D So to say the TPP and the CPTPP are the same is incorrect. It\u2019s incorrect based on us having to bring this back to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EThe other thing I just finally want to highlight is that there are eight suspensions that do not require to be brought back to the House, because, actually, we really have the legislation, and they do not change our obligations. I\u2019ll give one example, such as the commitment to the start date adjusted for Malaysia. So that suspension affects the obligations of Malaysia, not New Zealand. Kia ora. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022 data-id=\u002242ec6ab5b3774edc834ed8e9a11a9d03\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002242ec6ab5b3774edc834ed8e9a11a9d03\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK (National\u2014Helensville):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker, for the chance to speak on the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (CPTPP) Amendment Bill. I\u2019ll follow the convention of others who have spoken before me and adopt a shorthand version of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EI was part of the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee, which considered the bill, as well as the select committee that considered a number of submissions in relation to the agreement itself. In the second phase, we considered submissions that were made in relation to the legislation that would ratify the agreement, and so I\u2019d like to focus on some of those contributions. Previous speakers, including the one who\u2019s just resumed her seat, Louisa Wall, have mentioned changes that we did recommend. I\u2019d actually like to focus on some changes that as a committee, the majority thereof, we did not recommend but that I think none the less deserve the credit for being intelligently proposed and made in good faith.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EI think it is important that we do have a political approach, as the member Michael Wood encourages, notwithstanding that politics as opposed to politicking might be different things. I don\u2019t wish to get into that, except to say that I do believe in an adversarial system of lawmaking, such that if we thrash out all the ideas in a way that\u2019s passionate but none the less reasonable, then we have the best possible chance of arriving at the least dangerous laws for our land.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019d actually like to focus, as I say, on a change that was proposed to the select committee, albeit not recommended by it. That was by the NGO named It\u2019s Our Future. It was supported by the Green Party in its minority view, and I think it\u2019s worth setting out the reasoning and, indeed, the proposed amendment itself. Essentially, it\u2019s to limit the expansion of the agreement, such that other countries, nation State parties, will not be able to join the agreement, except for a couple of conditions applying. The first of those would be that New Zealand would negotiate and sign a binding instrument with that new country proposing to join, in which such an instrument\u2014as opposed to the agreement proper\u2014would waive the right for investor-state dispute settlement mechanisms.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThe second criterion was in relation to full parliamentary examination, as though the whole treaty and ratification process were to begin anew. I think those have a certain logic that is very reasonable from a certain constitutional perspective\u2014namely, that Parliament should have oversight of all treaty-making. That\u2019s certainly not the traditional case in a Westminster system, whereby it\u2019s the executive that has the power to execute foreign policy, originally derived from the monarch. So, essentially, what is being proposed here, while it would be in favour, I suppose, of greater consultation, would actually represent a considerable constitutional change, and one that I think is more appropriate for a broader conversation about the way in which laws are made internally in this country, and with respect to international obligations. For example, if the laws that we make locally to ratify other agreements\u2014for example, the Paris climate accord\u2014needed to be subject to parliamentary scrutiny every time another State signed up to that or, perhaps, withdrew from that, then that would be something that, I suspect, those who are proposing this kind of change now for this agreement, with which they do not agree, would find, perhaps, unpalatable. So a consistent approach across that constitutional proposal, I think, would actually be very helpful to bear in mind.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESo the rules of the game are known, as they currently stand. So, actually, what Parliament is doing now is considering a bill that will ratify a particular agreement that is known, with a particular set of parties that are known, and also other parties that may wish to join on the terms currently agreed in that agreement. On that basis, my party is very happy to maintain our original position in favour of an agreement that we think will do very good things for our country\u2014and other countries too, incidentally\u2014in respect of boosting trade, and do that in a responsible and safe way. Other parties have apparently changed their position on that somewhat, but I do note the principled consistency of the Greens, at least in that regard, to recognise that the things that they found objectionable before, they still find objectionable now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019ll bring my contribution to a close now with that final plea. Just to encourage those who would suggest changes to the way that we make our laws in this country\u2014that if it is good enough for this particular agreement with which they\u2019re not enamoured, then that should be the case for others as well. That would be a broader debate that, as something of a constitutional geek, I would welcome very much indeed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022 data-id=\u002290bd6c78a1dc40f08badba025cfa3e49\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002290bd6c78a1dc40f08badba025cfa3e49\u0022\u003EPRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. I stand to take a very brief call on this, the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (CPTPP) Amendment Bill. Really, the point that I wanted to make\u2014having sat on the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee that considered this bill and listened to submitters, as well\u2014is that so much about politics and, indeed, trade is about choices and about cost-benefit analysis.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003ESo I challenge what the member Mr Tim Macindoe said when he made the claim that not a lot had changed with this bill in its current iteration, which is the Comprehensive and Progressive Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP), because, actually, it has. Previously, in its previous shape and form, the costs to New Zealanders outweighed the benefits, and that\u2019s why this Government went in to bat for New Zealanders. So the five bottom lines that Labour had campaigned on\u2014the five bottom lines that we said this bill must meet so that we feel that it is then in the best interests of New Zealanders\u2014we went in to bat for those. And we met pretty much all of them, in terms of increasing tariff reductions and increasing market access; ensuring that Pharmac is protected; ensuring that we have the ability to restrict foreigners from buying existing homes, which we have done; and upholding the Treaty of Waitangi, which is a clause that, internationally, has been recognised as being almost unheard of, in terms of regulating for the benefits of an indigenous population.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EThe investor-State dispute settlement clauses are ones that the Minister has himself said, look, we would have liked to have done better, but we do have side letters that mean that 80 percent of trade that goes through the CPTPP won\u2019t be subjected to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EThe point that I want to make, really, is that we\u2019ve gone in and we\u2019ve batted for New Zealanders and ensured that the benefits now outweigh the costs. Therefore, this is a good bill, and I commend it to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022df2b85f5af144ded92d98b438e271d30\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments recommended by the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee by majority be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 111\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 55; New Zealand Labour 46; New Zealand First 9; ACT New Zealand 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 7\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party 7.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022c57a7f98d82d414db482e4a3c17dd35e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (CPTPP) Amendment Bill be now read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 111\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 55; New Zealand Labour 46; New Zealand First 9; ACT New Zealand 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 7\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party 7.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bc9e44b197e64a6b93f80b56b220c7b5\u0022\u003ECriminal Cases Review Commission Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022133220648d1c426b8bb2f230dd4d3da3\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000506\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 16 October.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022 data-id=\u002252d739a3ef5f43769935f6b32836a521\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002252d739a3ef5f43769935f6b32836a521\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, when we were last debating this bill, Kunwaljit Singh Bakshi had six minutes and 45 seconds remaining to speak should he so wish to do so. I understand this is a five minute call, I call Raymond Huo.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022 data-id=\u0022bd30f8ca5c9e429c82b9ddd5dd543a70\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bd30f8ca5c9e429c82b9ddd5dd543a70\u0022\u003ERAYMOND HUO (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. I do want to acknowledge Mr Bakshi\u2014thanks for his contributions\u2014and I also want to acknowledge the contributions by the Hon Mark Mitchell, who also asked some questions last night. It\u2019s rather easy to answer his questions, because the role for the independent Criminal Cases Review Commission is to review convictions and sentences and determine whether they should refer the cases back to the appeal courts. It\u2019s not the role of the commission to determine whether it is guilt or innocence. For the rest of the questions he asked, I think they can be easily dealt with at the select committee level.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003EHaving said that, I really want to put the bill into the real context to appreciate the principles and rationale behind the bill. We are all aware of the Teina Pora case, where he spent 20 years in jail before his convictions for rape and murder were quashed. I can quote from the media such names as David Bain, Arthur Allan Thomas, etc. They all had spent years in prison fighting convictions that were eventually quashed. There are others who are currently in jail and should not be there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003EThe bill establishes the independent Criminal Cases Review Commission\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022 data-id=\u0022777de5e761eb45d5949e3436f2780c48\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022777de5e761eb45d5949e3436f2780c48\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: I apologise to the member. The debate is interrupted and is set down for resumption next sitting day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 6 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201810189f4101e2fd5949ba99c61d3301d2d7be000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"