"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022debd0dd090474f969bb3c90b07b9390d\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 14 MARCH 2019\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c7f68e2764794e8db50ccb9d34ae351c\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 14 MARCH 2019\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000004\u0022\u003EKarakia.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00221766a222a17a452fb9720515439bb663\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224a7165a3c6824f1193e293b26c77b3d4\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022 data-id=\u0022f4ad30f6adc043fd80805b3ee1cb86af\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f4ad30f6adc043fd80805b3ee1cb86af\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Deputy Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Legislation to be considered next week will include the third readings of the Accident Compensation Amendment Bill, the Commerce (Criminalisation of Cartels) Amendment Bill, the Financial Services Legislation Amendment Bill, and the Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Amendment Bill, the second reading of the Local Government (Community Well-being) Amendment Bill, and the first reading of the Organ Donors and Related Matters Bill. Wednesday, 20 March will be a members\u2019 day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u002262bb0ef7e9d14778867ac99667dcf824\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002262bb0ef7e9d14778867ac99667dcf824\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE (National\u2014Ilam):\u003C/span\u003E I wonder if the acting Leader of the House could tell us if it\u2019s the intention of the Government to adopt the Broadcasting (Games of National Significance) Amendment Bill (No\u00A02) so that all New Zealanders will be able to watch the Rugby World Cup later this year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022 data-id=\u002299c20f5ffdd340faab42794709df2807\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002299c20f5ffdd340faab42794709df2807\u0022\u003EHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Deputy Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Off the top of my head, I understand that\u2019s a member\u2019s bill and it will be considered by the House in the usual fashion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00222a73a73dafa24fd1a164ea313609c174\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222a73a73dafa24fd1a164ea313609c174\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. And it\u2019s a matter of tedious repetition as well. We were asked this quite recently. Thank you, Mr Brownlee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002296ae3772bf4c4d4ea6dc02317ff81fdf\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a4ddcc1131694862b1e5994d5415e873\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228543949013b94d35bf610e9e47a61765\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u2014Finance \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u0022878d89ec6277487ab5cf6d6dbdaf2b72\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022878d89ec6277487ab5cf6d6dbdaf2b72\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Deputy Leader\u2014National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Has he carried out appropriate oversight in all of his responsibilities as Minister of Finance?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022ff3d5b7863164a8d949aca4ac395595a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ff3d5b7863164a8d949aca4ac395595a\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f65ee5846cdc4bc5824dda68e4306a1f\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Was he aware that Shane Jones had declared a conflict of interest with respect to the Kupe project when he allowed Minister Jones to remain in a meeting that considered funding for that project?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b644d2f74b3b4ce3bca70be44adc6b00\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: That information was provided to Ministers in the background documentation for that meeting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002204df9ad67dff44d3ace0c3bb3156d7b1\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: If he knew that Shane Jones had a conflict of interest, why did he allow the Minister to participate in the decision to fund the project?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dccf41bbfb534cc8b64769c4b38c928d\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not sure it\u2019s a question of me allowing a Minister to do something. The Minister acted in accordance with advice that he was given around how to manage this particular conflict of interest.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002275bfaa355bcc42f88cd8fd562a633dc8\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Can he confirm that he did not originally support the approval of funding for the project?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c7d562825a684a309498f4e11e6d5bd1\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s on the public record that I raised issues around governance and the commercial operations of the project. Subsequently, when the project funding was finally released\u2014which I believe was in August of last year\u2014changes had been made to the governance arrangements. So the issues that I raised at that meeting were indeed rectified.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207286c1ce2fc4a1caf000ad28dfb6e81\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Can he confirm that Treasury did not support the funding of the project?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277cc136841e54da09eb06702f9fa8dd3\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Treasury had concerns about the funding of the project, and I would state that that is not unusual when it comes to Treasury about virtually any spending that the Government does.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f61368d558524863889b08b173887136\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Can I ask the Minister: in terms of any financial, pecuniary, or personal advantage to be gained by Mr Jones, exactly who has laid out what the conflict of interest being complained of is?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4dc56f0c2104d8e8604da3e7d664d35\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will resume his seat. He\u2019s not responsible for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e9bc764b2f4447f95dcfc0c3ee3b99c\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Did Shane Jones\u2019 comments about the governance structure of the project influence his decision to approve the funding of it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246fa0152766043efaa38cc688aed07ef\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I took that decision on my judgment. The role of the Far North District Council\u2014or their holding company, Far North Holdings Ltd\u2014in the arrangements was important, but what was more important was the change to the overall governance arrangements, which, as I say, when the project was finally agreed to in August, was completed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002242e3c5ea58754d31b99f25bf3c98f461\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Why did the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) official in the meeting state that Jones provided reassurances about the project, and because of those references, \u201CMinister Robertson was comfortable to sign the briefing\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222848a251048e485aacb91de8c9527bb3\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: You would need to address that question to the MBIE official, but I presume it\u2019s because that\u2019s the MBIE official\u2019s recollection of events.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d277c01f6e8e4bb1966beb306b597e0e\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: So in light of the fact that Treasury did not support the funding, he did not originally support the funding, and he held a meeting specifically to seek reassurances about the governance structure of the project, isn\u2019t it evident that Shane Jones influenced the decision to fund the project despite declaring a conflict of interest?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022733aa1e4037e4079b9e77a6742b1e3fc\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I disagree with part of the premise of the member\u2019s question. The meeting was held as a regular meeting to assess a number of projects, as we\u2019ve already traversed in these questions today. The issues I had around the governance arrangements of the project were resolved. I want to repeat an earlier answer: there are different types of conflicts of interest. They can be managed in different ways. For example, if someone or a member of their family were to be financially benefiting from an issue, then that may well be something that would require a person to step away or outside of a meeting. Other types of conflicts of interest, perhaps knowing somebody in the past who might have been involved in a trust, can be managed in a different way. That is the situation that occurred here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220615cb0280c041a7941b1043d1f59ff5\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022 data-id=\u00229c08483a09034c448493ba7881677d59\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229c08483a09034c448493ba7881677d59\u0022\u003EHon AMY ADAMS (National\u2014Selwyn)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: On what date was Sir Michael Cullen first appointed as chair of the Tax Working Group, and when will his contract end?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u002262165725128e49489c53a9974485a5c1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002262165725128e49489c53a9974485a5c1\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Sir Michael Cullen was appointed as the chair of the Tax Working Group on 22 December 2017. His contract was extended on 2 February 2019 to end on 30 June 2019. In practice, the contract is unlikely to be required until 30 June; this date was chosen as it is when the appropriation for the Tax Working Group expires. For completeness, I would note that the letter reappointing Sir Michael is date-stamped 30 January 2018, when, of course, it should be 2019.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230dcd1b375fb4e6385972876fed9bdde\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Is it appropriate for Sir Michael Cullen to be undertaking political attacks while being paid more than $1,000 a day by taxpayers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d2d90fb077c454aaabedb727e171b1a\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I believe it is appropriate for Sir Michael Cullen, as the chair of the Tax Working Group, to explain the recommendations of that working group while the matter is under consideration by the Government. If, as part of those explanations, he is required to correct misrepresentations and lies, that is the role he has.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022899c354b69c04279a184bcdca70f225b\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Does it count as explaining the recommendations for Sir Michael Cullen to make statements describing the Opposition, and I quote, as \u201Csalivating like a bunch of guard Alsatians from the German army in World War II\u201D, and isn\u2019t that simply a political attack being funded from taxpayers\u2019 dollars?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022568d7f8ad852402fb2d45ab8d95645bf\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Sir Michael Cullen is responsible for the words that he uses. A phrase does come to mind: \u201CIf the shoe fits\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a58be85d02594e6a8d62540d56a7def2\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Why is he so cavalier about paying a former Labour Minister $1,000 a day to undertake clearly political attacks?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c103228ec1964361bfbef7730fde691b\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I am not being cavalier about this. The pay rate that Sir Michael Cullen has is based on the Group 4, Level 1 body rate under the Cabinet fees framework.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4c83586823c4feaa56230c843116784\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Why is the Minister using taxpayer funds to pay Michael Cullen $1,000 a day to do, and I quote, \u201Cfavours for the Government\u201D, as Willie Jackson stated in Parliament yesterday?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224fc01d34cfec4e6787a82fe849c06737\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t believe that\u2019s a fair characterisation of what was a very full and rich speech by the Hon Willie Jackson. There is, however, one element of the Hon Willie Jackson\u2019s speech that I am a little concerned about\u2014or, actually, the comments he made after the speech\u2014which was he told media that he was paid a thousand dollars to do a speech, by the ACT Party. I\u2019m not sure what that says about the economic wisdom of the ACT Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff866152101c40408d380db02b6e1470\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Is it true to say that Dr Cullen is getting the same remuneration under the Cabinet fees framework as he got a number of times from the National Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227d02d99aabd4f7f9d92b462c81efbd3\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Presuming that the National Party, when they appointed Sir Michael Cullen to various roles, obeyed the fees framework. Now, I don\u2019t have the information to support that, but certainly he was a person\u2014and indeed he is a person, who is widely respected around New Zealand for his knowledge, and presumably that\u2019s why the National Party appointed him when they were in Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3d2ecddf39447bba8e1f6c1368b7dad\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Well, is the employment Minister right that the reaction of average workers to Sir Michael Cullen\u2019s thousand-dollars-a-day payment to do this sort of work would be one of, I quote, \u201Cdisgust\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223fef0de625874240b55608b9d4eab5bc\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Hang on, I just want to think about ministerial\u2014I\u2019m going to get the member to rephrase the question so it clearly gets into the responsibility of the Minister of Finance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002240040802a0f0442d9e5594ee3e356b50\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Well, does the Minister of Finance agree with the employment Minister when he said that the reaction of average workers to paying Sir Michael Cullen a thousand dollars a day to do this sort of work would be one of \u201Cdisgust\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022375c5ca1d82a40f3b48a23a74db716a6\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: As I\u2019ve said, it was a full and rich speech by Minister Jackson, during which he made a number of comments about Sir Michael Cullen\u2019s role. They are Mr Jackson\u2019s to own. What I believe is that Sir Michael Cullen has done and is doing a great job for New Zealanders. He was being paid in accordance with the Cabinet fees framework, and, indeed, he was no doubt paid similar or larger amounts of money by the National Party when they employed him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002235db217727fc4dfd9b217f2aa0eb8edf\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u2014Finance \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022 data-id=\u0022b431835353e84bf68695db90056b17fe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b431835353e84bf68695db90056b17fe\u0022\u003ETAMATI COFFEY (Labour\u2014Waiariki):\u003C/span\u003E My question is to the Minister of Finance and asks\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ffcfbd5f1aa431ab1d705d72a3c7d21\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Busy day for Grant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00221190d5e3a1844918ab93ae379ea3c818\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221190d5e3a1844918ab93ae379ea3c818\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Did\u2014that member didn\u2019t? So it was only Amy Adams who interjected? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224edd1023330c44b986ff0d0fb44643a2\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: I did. I apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d97691bf3dfe4a4ca1df26705a7dd27f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, stand up and apologise, all right?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b210587cb7de4d62ab8e462b03f5bf57\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Now that you\u2019ve asked me to, I withdraw and apologise, sir.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f87b0c3eaaa5494ab238cce014d9ffb6\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. Start again, Mr Coffey.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022 data-id=\u002258c36e87bf1a49fbb20933ea62bbbb97\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002258c36e87bf1a49fbb20933ea62bbbb97\u0022\u003ETAMATI COFFEY (Labour\u2014Waiariki)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What effect, if any, would Brexit have on the New Zealand economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u002253905f214aa94d349e184adaf06f9f4f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002253905f214aa94d349e184adaf06f9f4f\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E We continue to pay close attention to how Brexit unfolds. The UK\u2019s departure from the EU would have a range of implications for New Zealand and New Zealanders. Current uncertainty means it is important for us to prepare for the full range of potential outcomes. Treasury\u2019s assessment is that a no-deal Brexit would likely have a small overall negative impact on the New Zealand economy, mainly due to disruption of some specific New Zealand businesses and industries. For example, UK tourist numbers could fall, Kiwi goods could face delays at the UK border, and importers could face supply disruptions. This morning the UK parliament voted to take a no-deal Brexit off the table permanently. However, as there remains no clear outcome to the Brexit process, we will continue to monitor and plan for all contingencies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222061a5eed3cb48f7842a17f510c40872\u0022\u003ETamati Coffey\u003C/span\u003E: How is the Government working to ensure stability for New Zealanders and New Zealand businesses through this uncertain period?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b970e675f95546ab91151f3bdbf9805b\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Our aim is to ensure maximum continuity and stability for New Zealand interests through the Brexit process and to help New Zealanders who could be affected by Brexit to prepare for the full range of possible outcomes. New Zealand Government officials have established an interagency task force that is analysing and identifying areas where New Zealanders may be affected, and is working to mitigate these risks. The Government has also been conducting outreach in the business community, including through a series of seminars led by New Zealand Trade and Enterprise, and involving other Government agencies to help businesses prepare for Brexit as well as a regular newsletter update to exporters. I encourage all New Zealand businesses that may be affected by Brexit to consider the implications of the full range of scenarios for their business and ensure that they have contingency plans in place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225ed7fd648e454838919ea6228545f43c\u0022\u003ETamati Coffey\u003C/span\u003E: What are the potential implications of Brexit for trade policy and settings?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022671e25bbe535419dbf18f783333b78ac\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: New Zealand and the UK have signed two agreements that will help ensure continuity and stability in the regulatory arrangements underpinning New Zealand\u2019s trade. Looking ahead, both the UK and New Zealand Governments have publicly signalled their intention to negotiate a high-quality, comprehensive, bilateral free-trade agreement once the UK is in a position to do so. Beyond this, we are also working to negotiate free-trade agreements with the European Union, the Pacific Alliance, as well as continuing to conclude the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership and upgrading our China free-trade agreement. By continuing to open up new markets, we can ensure our export sector is more diversified and more resilient while continuing to grow.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221186766f31724c26861b91c94b681ea5\u0022\u003EHon Todd McClay\u003C/span\u003E: What guarantees can the Government give exporters that tariff rates will not increase in a post - hard Brexit\u2014particularly for lamb and butter exports, which currently enter the UK at a zero tariff rate within special quotas\u2014and why did the Government not raise this when the Prime Minister gave assurances that New Zealand exporters would be no worse off in the post-Brexit arrangement during her recent visit to the United Kingdom? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abc802d3527f461a8a534f5c3884c405\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The Minister may answer as many of the three questions as he wants to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4a42926036d4d2f81bf5c2add2bc279\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I can answer on behalf of myself, which is issues around tariff rate quotas were something that I raised when I was in Brussels and the UK in January. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298b624f0cd904b3c9506948c44d168a7\u0022\u003EHon Todd McClay\u003C/span\u003E: What guarantees can the Government give New Zealand exporters\u2014particularly for butter and lamb exports to the United Kingdom\u2014in the post-Brexit, hard Brexit arrangement that their tariff rate within that quota won\u2019t go up? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223906e8b146e445529b09243d5c2628c0\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: That is exactly the issue that I alluded to, where New Zealand is not alone in concerns about these issues, and we are continuing to raise them both in the European Union context and in the UK. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f856d7361ede433d8cfe37ae2caec5fc\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u2014Housing and Urban Development \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u00224a3de17873a54d8280d51628b0893167\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224a3de17873a54d8280d51628b0893167\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (National\u2014Papakura)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: Has the KiwiBuild underwrite of Mike Greer Homes passed the additionality test, and who undertakes and approves this test?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022e8d3219dbfd749bc9d9d04a87653d548\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e8d3219dbfd749bc9d9d04a87653d548\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Housing and Urban Development):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, and the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development assesses each development and I\u2019m advised that that includes assessment of the additionality requirement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ca3633a0b1540b791988c80e8616e3b\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: How many of the 104 Mike Greer KiwiBuild homes were already built at the time he and Minister Robertson agreed to underwrite them? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b2f191ef3224222bd47cc8c9ad4b111\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: To the best of my knowledge, I think that for 11 of those 104 properties, construction was at least under way. But I want to reiterate the answer that I gave yesterday, and that is the additionality test for these developments is applied not on individual homes but on the contract as a whole. The Mike Greer contract delivered 104 affordable homes for first-home buyers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223614ca0608804032a4feca6e0e07b4b5\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Did he inform those that perform the additionality test that all 11 Mike Greer KiwiBuild houses so far offered to KiwiBuild buyers were already built when he agreed to underwrite them? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c357812d5bdc415e8e458071769436cd\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s the job of the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development to undertake those negotiations and apply the additionality test, so they did know. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bdcf0b7c858a4a91a0e84f96e0ae90e7\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I asked if the Minister advised them. He then told me that it was the job of the ministry to undertake the test. The point is, did the Minister know; did he advise the ministry of that? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258abad31c7734794868c6e529572a31b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I thought right at the end of the answer, he did answer that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c44a8a90f94441f88ec27e754b54832\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: They already knew. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002282287dede8c9436cabb16e0e0ce0ad5e\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, they already knew? OK. Can the Minister release the street addresses of each of the 104 Mike Greer KiwiBuild homes so that the public can be reassured that they were not already built when he agreed to underwrite them? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d2d0527f663424c98bbbd4a1f801676\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019d have to say I wouldn\u2019t be particularly keen on that, given the member\u2019s track record of personally targeting and harassing KiwiBuild homeowners.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002299df8fd6e5a04b1bb672cb7440447cc8\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: In what month does he believe conversations with Mike Greer reached a level where Mike Greer was confident enough to change his designs to offer more affordable housing? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022188ca9d435984b26aebd799c46d32f26\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019d have to ask Mike Greer that question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207bfdbfc27484134ae300220b6ca9cd7\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister aware that the 12 houses at 27 Dida Park Drive, Huapai, were all built before the underwrite, marketed before the underwrite, and all done to a design dated February 2017? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229423ce31abfc46c2b6f40aa3b1a311b4\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019m advised that the Huapai deal enabled Mike Greer to speed up that entire development and to bring it to market by June 2020, and reduced the prices in the Huapai development by $2.5 million. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bbb4714cae3641f4a2fda524b809d0d4\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table an overall floor plan dated 27 February 2017 for all of the properties at 27 Dida Park Drive, and before you ask me, Mr Speaker, I\u2019ve had to obtain this from Auckland Council with payment of a fee and after waiting some days. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022872ea5d2c6dc4a3d99580c00652ee12e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I will put the question that that be tabled. Is there any objection? There is none. It may be tabled. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b3b3135e58e14a9f9fad2d861f9784de\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u2014Transport\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u0022a7aebea7182e4063938e29ad16633dda\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a7aebea7182e4063938e29ad16633dda\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Transport: Does he agree with New Zealand Transport Agency chairman Michael Stiassny, who told the Transport and Infrastructure Committee that \u201CThere is no doubt that the way the GPS has been written is more about safety, and the time spent between A to B is no longer a priority for us. The outcome of that will be, I think we could all agree, that it will take longer to get from A to B in a lot of places, and there will be more congestion\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022bb829b7d9f0f43158bacf85e8385e58c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bb829b7d9f0f43158bacf85e8385e58c\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Transport):\u003C/span\u003E Yes to the first part and no to the second.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce94d1704de24c1294618bd9f54d6905\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Well, how does he account for the chair of his key transport agency having the wrong end of the stick?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221066c86fe5294b6e80bb716479452934\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, Mr Stiassny\u2019s quite right to say that our policy has prioritised safety, and, as the other top line objective in the Government policy statement, ensuring that New Zealanders have more options that give them access to the things they need.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246552a839cb34e968458e59294b13e03\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: So how can he say that reducing congestion is still a priority, when it is nowhere stated, and when the priority of improving access, which he points to, is fundamentally about getting people out of their cars?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022356fc64d3efa4adb9268ac4daf227404\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Because actually improving Kiwis\u2019 access to the things they need is fundamentally about improving congestion. Our approach\u2014which is about giving people options, including much better public transport in our cities and walking and cycling\u2014is about reducing the car dependency and congestion that got worse every year under the former Government, when they spent 40 percent of the transport budget on a handful of motorway projects that carried 4 percent of vehicle journeys.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002259eacc53675f46cf8e4579890cb6c0ad\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: So does he accept that having a priority to get people out of their cars is not the same thing as reducing congestion, especially given that some transport planners think that increasing congestion on the roads is the best way to get people out of their cars?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7ea3489cc8e41b397f5b43fc1728c8d\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I can\u2019t speak for \u201Csome transport planners\u201D, but I\u2019ll say this to the member: providing people with modern public transport and rapid transit and walking and cycling is the best way to encourage some people to leave their cars at home. That allows the roads and the motorways to move more freely, and that is our policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f431f3302b540dfa346d7b6b1d9e1a2\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: So does he think Kiwis stuck in traffic\u2014say on Auckland\u2019s Southern Motorway, or crawling into Tauranga from \u014Cmokoroa, or many other places\u2014would agree that reducing congestion should no longer be a priority, as the chair of his New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) thinks?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8a133356138490382cd3f146045da9a\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Reducing congestion is a priority, but it\u2019s a subset of improving access. We had a nine-year experiment in the kind of policy that the member is promoting, and congestion and gridlock in our cities got worse every single year, and we saw a blowout in deaths and serious injuries on our roads.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a878ae43f1c48e2b65fa60012c39365\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: So what does he say to the people of Tauranga, whose council has instructed the chief executive of Tauranga City Council to cease awarding any new contracts for transportation upgrade and safety projects because they no longer have agreement with NZTA to part-fund them, because they don\u2019t fit within the Government\u2019s new transport priorities?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8be7ed8b1d34f0cb3b4f3c336b86fc9\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, that\u2019s not at all what the mayor and chief executive of Tauranga City Council have said. They actually have raised with me that they are having trouble getting some decisions made as speedily to see projects rolled out. I\u2019ve asked them for detail on that, because holding up any road projects or transport projects is the last thing that I want to see, and I\u2019ve said I will chase that up for them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002212227735ddb045f8aab16556f132d636\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u2014Revenue\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022 data-id=\u00229f354373ea224a9f95b5d768fd9ff946\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229f354373ea224a9f95b5d768fd9ff946\u0022\u003EDr DEBORAH RUSSELL (Labour\u2014New Lynn)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Revenue: What recent steps, if any, has he taken to help combat international tax evasion?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u00224e8a68eb91b3491f8dc81c9085b0e602\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224e8a68eb91b3491f8dc81c9085b0e602\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister of Revenue):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m happy to inform the House that we are expanding our global information-sharing network by adding 30 jurisdictions to our current list of 60 to help combat tax evasion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229aa025d6c34d439cbfa1f8a379de0d2a\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Well done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022133fc3a6798c4eb0ac4665622c46559b\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. The addition of 30 new territories, which includes Panama, Nigeria, and Switzerland, reflects increased international cooperation by OECD and G20 countries to crack down on tax evasion. This Government is committed to ensuring that everyone pays their fair share of tax, including those who have financial interests in other countries. It shines a spotlight on those who try to evade tax obligations by hiding their assets offshore.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1e0529094e84f949846da7bd7a5558b\u0022\u003EDr Deborah Russell\u003C/span\u003E: How does the automatic exchange of information ensure that all New Zealanders and foreign tax residents pay their fair share of tax in New Zealand and overseas?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b11210fbbf041878330a386613435c9\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Globalisation has made it easier for people to invest money outside of the tax residence jurisdiction, and this has provided opportunities for offshore tax evasion. The automatic exchange of information enables information sharing about details of accounts of New Zealand taxpayers in overseas financial institutions such as banks, private equity funds, and trusts. Inland Revenue will review the information and verify that the correct tax is being paid on offshore investments. Since our first exchange in September 2018, New Zealand sent information on just over 600,000 accounts to 52 jurisdictions, and we received information on just over 724,000 accounts from 66 jurisdictions. The issue of multinational tax avoidance and evasion is a global issue and New Zealand is proud to be part of the global solution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217da3f802e6f4603a4f30f760ff9c7af\u0022\u003EDr Deborah Russell\u003C/span\u003E: What other measures is he taking to ensure multinational companies and individuals pay their fair share of tax?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221623b260d27d475898c7e07cae3169ee\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: This Government has an intensive work programme as we actively seek to tighten our international tax laws. Last year, we ratified the multinational instrument and passed the base erosion and profit shifting bill, which modified thousands of existing international tax treaties to incorporate the OECD treaty recommendations on anti-abuse, transfer pricing, dispute resolution, and the rules on hybrid mismatches. We\u2019ve a bill in the House that proposes GST on imported low-value goods to even the playing field for New Zealand retailers, and we wish the Opposition would actually support this measure. We are also looking to consult on the design of changes to tax rules, which currently allow multinational companies in the digital services field to do business here without paying income tax. This Government is focused on strengthening our international tax laws. This should give New Zealanders confidence that our tax system treats everyone the same, whether an individual or a large corporate. We all have to pay our fair share.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f69d875bcde94efdaad45ef81cfb9a0b\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4 to Minister\u2014Amended Answer\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u002245425c0b375148dbadbf26abdc1e9b6c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002245425c0b375148dbadbf26abdc1e9b6c\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Housing and Urban Development):\u003C/span\u003E If I may just correct one answer I gave to an earlier question in relation to the number of homes in the Mike Greer KiwiBuild contract.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5da20ea7e5a4b308e0b15e3b6618f01\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s seeking leave to make a personal explanation in order to correct an answer. Is there any objection? There is none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002210232836736c4d629a4169c08565b552\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I said that to the best of my recollection there were 11 homes. I think the member opposite said 12. In fact, the correct number was 13.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c34ddfd6d88045e7ba7e1da0ea66fec9\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u2014Small Business\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u0022c24a46c4f5574f9f9aff4e55c09a5f30\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c24a46c4f5574f9f9aff4e55c09a5f30\u0022\u003EHon JACQUI DEAN (National\u2014Waitaki)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Small Business: Has he undertaken any formal consultation with any small businesses on a capital gains tax since last Thursday; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u0022c54d5b6d14384a18978ba529bc5ed338\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c54d5b6d14384a18978ba529bc5ed338\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister for Small Business):\u003C/span\u003E No, because if the member is referring to the recommendations of the independent Tax Working Group, then I can remind the member of my answers of the last two sitting weeks, the answers from the Minister of Finance, the Deputy Prime Minister, the Minister of Agriculture, the Minister for Economic Development, and the answers from the Prime Minister that no decisions have been made and the Government will respond to this report in April. So I\u2019m hardly likely to formally consult, when there is nothing to consult on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc592270fb624a259a128eebade518aa\u0022\u003EHon Jacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: Wouldn\u2019t it be prudent to be talking with small business to inform the Government\u2019s response to the Tax Working Group?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022378c2d5fb472419f92dc43334900677f\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: I speak to many small businesses most weeks about measures that the Government is bringing in, like R \u0026amp; D tax credits, like the Provincial Growth Fund, like a whole lot of measures we are bringing in. But one thing I will say: when I said I\u2019m not consulting on a capital gains tax, I\u2019m also not consulting on the 19 measures that the Tax Working Group considers would reduce compliance cost to small to medium enterprises.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205d1098e6c374f3ea085a8c225dab4fe\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Why not? [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d17d6b557c1e46cc82666120e9303f45\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Jacqui Dean.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288fd9de997da41db9bbfd2127f58263d\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Because\u2014can I say this again\u2014there have been absolutely no decisions made on this, so why would I formally consult when there\u2019s absolutely nothing to consult on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ebf5b29700447538ca8f76484430870\u0022\u003EHon Jacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister for Small Business support small business?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f39bef26e9114fd881458fdbcb0a5f3a\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Unequivocally, and I am part of a Government that I think is doing a hell of a lot for small business, as mentioned: the billion dollar R \u0026amp; D tax credit, the Provincial Growth Fund, putting GST on low-value goods imported from companies offshore. We are supporting small business in a way that the previous Government never did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002279ce9a8e098648b48d3b9bb908826485\u0022\u003EHon Jacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister not wish to hear the views of small business on the capital gains tax?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230baea7c8268408c8d233a3feea23346\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker, I know that you don\u2019t like hearing repetition, however, there is nothing to consult small businesses on when it comes to a hypothetical capital gains tax because there is nothing out there. Let me say once again: we are open-minded, we are listening, it was an independent Tax Working Group report, we are working through the recommendations, and, as the Minister of Finance has said probably about 800,000 times, we will present our recommendations in April. Until that point in time, there is nothing to consult on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d8be4256d6084f5f9dd4a42760942bf6\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u2014Energy and Resources\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022 data-id=\u0022544e43df14d64537bf849f22a14da86e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022544e43df14d64537bf849f22a14da86e\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG (National\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Energy and Resources and asks\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297adf956c1d34ec49ba1565c7f6260b8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, look! Order! The member will resume his seat. Amy Adams will stand, withdraw, and apologise again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022 data-id=\u002268a23252d78e4c82a973fab2138f0391\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002268a23252d78e4c82a973fab2138f0391\u0022\u003EHon AMY ADAMS (National\u2014Selwyn):\u003C/span\u003E I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022 data-id=\u002232199833305f4d679433f54a2f8624d0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002232199833305f4d679433f54a2f8624d0\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG (National\u2014New Plymouth)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Energy and Resources: Does she expect the increases in long-term wholesale electricity prices to be reflected in household power bills; if so, when?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u00227da52d7bbac648878c596deac3176c28\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227da52d7bbac648878c596deac3176c28\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Energy and Resources):\u003C/span\u003E Short-term peaks in wholesale electricity prices driven by short-term gas infrastructure issues are unlikely to be passed on to the consumer as a result of how retailers manage risks and by smoothing their pricing structures. Under current market conditions, gentailers may choose to pass on longer-term increases in wholesale prices; however, this is likely to occur over a longer period of time. Longer-term price increases are likely to encourage new builds, and the Government is looking forward to seeing new renewable generation being built, as this\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230a2e41e8bcb4051be30243db36a98a3\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Name one proposal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e72d3d6731614b5d8b61e04e4a252867\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014is the lowest-cost generation. Finally, we\u2019re currently seeing slightly elevated prices on the ASX futures market, which reflects participants\u2019 guesses of what prices might be in the future. We\u2019re also seeing new generation being built, which would see downward pressure on those prices.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ef23b97743644a19f8f3b1fa89eac9a\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: Will the wholesale electricity prices for calendar year 2020, which are 40 percent higher than this time last year, be passed on to consumers, and if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef24fb89cd4743bdb24bf3d37aedae88\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: What the member is talking about is the ASX futures prices that are being projected out. This is, essentially, risk-pricing or insurance that people take to hedge. What happens with that as new generation comes on board and is built is we will see those\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b488fb3eb8c4e19a9408297e9dbff8f\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Name one\u2014one project.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3f6634848c245f5a633f7f8bb318e48\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014prices fall. We had 2,000 megawatts of consented wind electricity\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022071dc075a67043dea1cfa929de2e9d14\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: There\u2019s none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9e31a8826c14d738fffb5fe15e7087f\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Near where that member lives, there\u2019s currently a new wind farm that is being consented, at Waverley, and is currently likely to come on stream. As they come on board, those futures prices will fall.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022309bf33970bd48cfaba1ab9f6b5c53ab\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Mr Brownlee, the member might take a call if he wants to ask a question. Actually, he\u2019s asked the same question from his seat at least five times, and it was actually answered. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228f1ed39617c142aca9bc9c33d3b63264\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: No it wasn\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022525a5a070b1f4f38bf5c9f7239be304b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes it was. The member should listen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9770baf052a45d8971ab28857254ab4\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I believe that the question was very straightforward, and the answer was full of conjecture around future builds. I asked whether the futures price that people are paying today, which is 40 percent higher than last year, will be reflected in future consumer prices, and, if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228704d91051264cd99ba8f30131934bbc\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And the Minister said\u2014and anyone who knows anything about the issue\u2014that will depend on future builds. She should\u2019ve said it more succinctly so the House can understand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3e0ba35e4544c60ac2a73b7e06232b9\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I asked a question around prices that have been contracted for the year 2020, so this is just over a year away, and the infrastructure the Minister is talking about\u2014they haven\u2019t even turned a sod in the ground. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220dc4988abf964260a828b44f31bfef9a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Look, I\u2019m probably suffering from too much experience for three periods as being Minister of Energy, none of which I asked for, but what the House has been told is absolutely accurate\u2014that future builds are built into contracting both for wholesale and retail pricing. That\u2019s what the Minister said, not clearly enough and in an extended manner, but the member\u2019s question has been answered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229f0e2265bf7f446b99d136eb3a877727\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to your assistance to the House, Mr Speaker, I would point out that there was no forward market during your time as Minister of Energy; and, second, it is a price being paid now, and the question is whether that will be recovered by generators.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c60ddb6cfa354fb387753458ed3c3ed0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I don\u2019t want to get into a debate in answering the member, but I give him an absolute assurance that power prices were being laid off between companies during that time, and there was a market for retail contracts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002225931bdd40c149c8804a5f3bb41fa907\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: So can the Minister inform the House that, apart from the Waverley project of a 100-megawatt wind farm, how many new generation builds will take place that will affect the 2020 electricity prices\u2014it\u2019s just over a year away?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228fde013b61214e048183862a06b74ead\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: As I also explained in my primary answer to the member: in the short term, because of the way the market works, those forward prices don\u2019t necessarily flow through. There are over 2,000 megawatts of consented wind. We currently have a programme of work in place around updating those consents. If the member wants to put in writing a request for a list of projects, I will happily furnish it to him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002242156ed2fe8c48e5bc19e13d6a0a36d8\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: In terms of the complained of electricity pricing structures market, precisely who was responsible for it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c7c3235792a41b182b03677ab9ec574\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: This is a Government that has some concerns about the prices that consumers are paying for electricity. That is why we are currently undertaking a review. We have a view that for many people, the market is broken. I note that the member who has been asking me questions thinks that we shouldn\u2019t meddle with it. We think we should have the backs of consumers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b1ad5322616549acb90016e2cde0ca82\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: So how many megawatts of extra generation will come on stream within the next 12 months?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d7755d2057b9436d93e908f737bffb92\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: More than are needed. I think the member is the only person who is scaremongering. What we know about forward projections of what we need over the long term, which will have the largest impact on futures markets, is that we need roughly a doubling of our generation by 2050. That member should stop scaremongering.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228882bd924f6e40a08250e9538d0b1828\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I believe I asked a reasonable question. The Minister has been defending against my questions\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b950f4693e348658b8316821f10e455\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, get to the point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac9d2efada3b452fa5e3ba92afd6b81b\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: Well, sir, she didn\u2019t answer the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f180b6f120ec485db9d814a6a19868ec\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: She addressed it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002272fa3ad58fa54bf8adfffc64a60cd37f\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the Minister\u2019s at least half the wind power that\u2019s coming on shortly!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261d7fde6c9614e199e94a2d5c60bef6a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I have a suggestion that there\u2019s a number of members who could be hooked up to it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022efd31068ff53452a950fc807f00ee3cc\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u2014Commerce and Consumer Affairs \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022 data-id=\u00228da16fb40c1248c7b1064ac0871eee64\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228da16fb40c1248c7b1064ac0871eee64\u0022\u003EDr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs: What recent legislative measures has the Government taken to ensure continued access to key global financial markets?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u0022aef2ddf997014eef88ab3b1f631e9de7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022aef2ddf997014eef88ab3b1f631e9de7\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E Recently, the Financial Markets (Derivatives Margin and Benchmarking Reform) Amendment Bill passed its first reading\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a870e39d83d04e6ab0d5756fe80a21f3\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Say that again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f17271d37434c9197861bac4ffb14b3\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a snappy title. The amendments in the bill will align us with recent changes to international regulations designed to strengthen the resilience of global financial markets and reduce risk. By aligning our financial markets legislation with international best practice, New Zealand will help make aspects of the global financial system more resilient and more resistant to manipulation. The Government is committed to improving the integrity of our financial system and ensuring New Zealand entities continue to access important international financial markets.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208b550a67c504f82ab31dc53858bc8ed\u0022\u003EDr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: What does the bill implement?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209096d6f032a4744a642029ca008e5b9\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you\u2014an excellent question. The bill has two parts, each of which respond to different international developments. The first responds to G20 requirements related to over-the-counter derivatives. Part 2 of the bill responds to a separate international development around a new regulatory regime for financial benchmarks. While the changes are technical, this is, however, a critical piece of legislation that will allow major New Zealand financial institutions to continue to transact with important overseas parties in order to manage financial risk, raise capital, and continue to effectively engage in international financial markets.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb3b9a56aaa2460a9444c6bace035d17\u0022\u003EDr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: How will this bill benefit New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0d4c0abfadc4b1a87c2503fc1c95be0\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you\u2014another sharp question. Without these amendments, New Zealand\u2019s financial institutions could lose access to offshore funding markets because they don\u2019t comply with new requirements that have resulted from overseas reforms; therefore, these changes ensure we avoid potential damage to the economy. Not having access to these markets could also see an increase in the cost of raising capital, leading to higher interest rates, and this would affect all New Zealanders directly or indirectly, potentially costing millions of dollars to the economy. It could also have a negative impact on financial stability if it meant New Zealand entities were raising funds from riskier sources or were no longer able to hedge certain risks. The Government is futureproofing a significant part of our financial markets for the benefit of all New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221c951411954b48288a2291149bb98884\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u2014Regional Economic Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u0022ea4d2c67d2ea4884a47335194df06926\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ea4d2c67d2ea4884a47335194df06926\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Regional Economic Development: Does he stand by all of his statements and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u00222d0f822e97de4bfc8251e2b0309d9361\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222d0f822e97de4bfc8251e2b0309d9361\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Minister for Regional Economic Development):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022799a10d9ee1044358d840ae94ac0042b\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: On reflection, does he think it was appropriate for him to call journalist Hamish Rutherford a bunny boiler?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d54ac8419ad41339ce8ae21bd864137\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: I have been counselled about my relationship with the fourth estate. Obviously, references, colourful they may be, offered in the robustness of exchanges that one has with the media\u2014I don\u2019t think anyone should be offended. And I understand the man wears that badge with an element of pride.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225905c80dc74c4d2c88720baefe95ca36\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: How does he think his \u201Cmessage to corporate New Zealand\u201D yesterday, which included criticisms of Spark CEO Simon Moutter, will help improve business confidence levels throughout the regions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c751d98ba91483bb68c343e7c2d2c05\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: Strangely enough, my remarks are based directly on feedback from senior commercial leaders from the export community. They observed their understanding of the statutory obligation that that CEO was under. They described his reaction as going straight to the nuclear button, and I suspect an agenda.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022961f1a65e596401e8e2d889acf29421a\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Who does he plan to attack next?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a540d5e8338a46c88ec6e54a1728f093\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: I do not go around examining, reviewing, inspecting, or investigating; it\u2019s his leader who is being investigated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c6745c67b7604da6aad823fe1b85cd2a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u2014Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022 data-id=\u0022befdb1006ae541fb8f3eb19376fd899f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022befdb1006ae541fb8f3eb19376fd899f\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media: Does he stand by all the actions of his advisers, advisory groups, and officials?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u0022ab0563fc3784427aa3447e40e84cd8e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ab0563fc3784427aa3447e40e84cd8e7\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media):\u003C/span\u003E As far as I am aware of those actions, yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d7aa88cb4e7494ca4247f8e4a5bf127\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: What does he think is reasonable for one of his advisers, advisory groups, or officials to disclose as a perceived or actual conflict of interest?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222435b602db4244c5aa807b939aefb80c\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: Anything that that person might think is a perceived conflict of interest.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220111ba740f354cc3b41a5ea695d45f18\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: What would he think if one of his ministerial public media advisory group members had failed to disclose 2,777 shares in a company that calls itself \u201Cthe Netflix of educational content\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297d96ae8258f4ac5aed9026f27d93d6b\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: I have been assured by officials that all conflicts of interest with that advisory group have been managed well. If that person has not disclosed, then I would suggest that they might have to have a rethink.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f36d2993500f4a5b8251d6daa75db0b1\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: What would he think if one of his ministerial public media advisory group members had failed to disclose directorships and shareholdings in companies such as a media company whose music catalogue includes multiple NZ On Air - funded artists, a company which he jointly holds shares in with a John Barnett\u2014a known public media advocate who met with the former broadcasting Minister in January last year prior to his advisory group member being appointed as the chair of the group?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5db5f4a79b14af1977f603989592e63\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: As that member would know\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd1aec1a352740da83a84c8a95fd7bb2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry; I\u2019m going to ask the member to ask the question again, because I think there\u2019s a big bit in there that this Minister certainly doesn\u2019t have responsibility for. He doesn\u2019t have responsibility for Mr Barnett\u2014who many of us have met many times\u2014meeting with third parties. Try again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e90dfd432e194853aba019029f158721\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: What would he think if one of his ministerial public media advisory group members had failed to disclose directorships and shareholdings in companies, such as a media company whose music catalogue includes multiple NZ On Air - funded artists as well as a company which he jointly holds shares in with another person, named John Barnett\u2014a known public media advocate who met with a former broadcasting Minister in January\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d8c42597ca049b8b70f211e3a6a7917\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! The member can answer the first part of the question. The second part is not an area that he has any responsibility for. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022380536e32d794845a6fd68636a1309a0\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: As the member would be well aware, the ministerial advisory group was drawn from people with experience in the sector, so it\u2019s highly likely that there would be, in some cases, something to declare as a potential conflict of interest. As I say, officials have said that that has been managed well to date. If someone has not disclosed, then, as I have said before, they might need to have a rethink. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f63ffad467e5427faf2c2c1a161184d5\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: Is the fact that none of these matters were disclosed as actual or perceived current or former interests of members of the public media ministerial advisory group concerning for the Minister in light of the fact that $15 million of funding that this Government has already undertaken was as a result of the advice to Ministers received from the advisory group? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226bb261d86f86447fb7b19c845874e790\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: I would like to think that the members of the ministerial advisory group\u2014or any advisory group that I have oversight over\u2014would take their conflicts of interest responsibilities seriously. If there are things that haven\u2019t been disclosed that should be disclosed, then, as I say, they need to have a rethink. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b50e8be731934b7db38d101eded67442\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019d like to seek leave to table excerpts of two Official Information Act (OIA) responses dated 23 January and 5 March from Te Manat\u016B Taonga, Ministry of Culture and Heritage, listing relevant conflicts of interest\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd697640a5e74a4db4f66ad6e752e79b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! I just want to check; are they personal to the member or are they on the website? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e50ff9ad99249cc91084d0a5126407a\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: They were given to me as an OIA answer, so\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a6c395e7519a4b9f9ebd42613a57c892\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: So they\u2019re answers to the member? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3b59e331d68443392347fd5be19f76d\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239472a10be224adeab1f6ef0f6dc30ab\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: So there are two OIA responses that the member has received from the ministry. Is there any objection to those being tabled? There is none. They may be tabled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EDocuments, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225e340077ce5d400088cf9b16e0f37a86\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 12\u2014Housing and Urban Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022 data-id=\u00225cdc22bea6fc457d96acd6baf102b335\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225cdc22bea6fc457d96acd6baf102b335\u0022\u003EGARETH HUGHES (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: Is he committed to energy efficiency in KiwiBuild and State homes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022d84c86fa1ac746b8b98042dabf3325ce\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d84c86fa1ac746b8b98042dabf3325ce\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Housing and Urban Development):\u003C/span\u003E Yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ad850a46df04e1cb4cc3aab1bdf0feb\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister agree with Judith Collins that it\u2019s ridiculous that LED bulbs are not mandatory? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229f194fe649654999aac97e60419e94dd\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I think\u2014knowing Mrs Collins\u2014that if they were mandatory she\u2019d criticise that too. If she really\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b76322a7cf942448b2eca6d3793376d\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. If I can have your guidance\u2014I\u2019ve actually said that in relation to KiwiBuild homes, not\u2014[Interruption] Authentication would show that I did not say that for all homes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e2a9f91eb8642148876cafe488c3daa\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I think that\u2019s what the question was\u2014KiwiBuild and State housing. That\u2019s what the member was responding to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220494c38c4f8a4d9b995a07d2e852148a\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Come down prepared\u2014a bit of research first. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c8eb226d09da4813a0916d91d2e27db4\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I just wanted the opportunity to speak\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202d3068ed9774027af019cebb02be7ce\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! The pair of you\u2014come on! I know it\u2019s Thursday, but we can settle down. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac6015f781b946eb8d9231ddec8e7b43\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Minister work towards overturning the decision that doesn\u2019t require LED lights in all new KiwiBuild and State houses, because they use 85 percent less power and last 15 times longer? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8e4ea47971949dcb58e4572c7bf43ea\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the first thing to say is that there wasn\u2019t a decision not to require LED lights in KiwiBuild homes, but I\u2019ll say this: LED lights are rapidly becoming the industry standard. The great majority of both new State house builds\u2014which we do have some, now\u2014and KiwiBuild homes do have LED light bulbs. I\u2019ve got work under way that\u2019s setting standards for all Government-backed home building programmes, including KiwiBuild and State housing. It will include energy efficiency, and, undoubtedly, will include the use of the LED bulbs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225bd842e2b0c54174ab4839e420d2a33e\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister agree that energy efficient KiwiBuilds and new State homes create a massive opportunity to drive better design practices and lower costs for everyone in New Zealand? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d90459f82494071b25dc2aebbcb1dca\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, actually, one of the great opportunities offered by a Government house-building programme is the chance to use Government procurement to set standards\u2014whether it\u2019s for energy efficiency, whether it\u2019s for universal design, high quality architecture, and urban design, it\u2019s a chance to build stronger communities and warm, dry homes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b6b68c857fc403897f64684538d6c41\u0022\u003EGareth Hughes\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister agree that energy efficient KiwiBuilds could not just provide 100,000 houses, they could also deliver 100,000 cheaper power bills? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227aa6a9a8161741cb9f17adf1a559bff0\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. Reducing the operating costs of houses for the people who live in them is one of the best things we can do. The Government\u2019s commitment to the healthy homes guarantee and warmer Kiwi homes\u2014these are also very important public health reforms. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a52e7e72bf0541c7b24be8218c61c094\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002216d254e6f5944ac4912e78eb1e6bb7e1\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u0022101843b978fb435dab304ea3da9d1891\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022101843b978fb435dab304ea3da9d1891\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill be now read a second time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to begin by welcoming the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi who are with us in Parliament today to hear the second reading of their settlement bill. Ng\u0101ti Rangi iwi, rau rangatira m\u0101, ko aku mihi atu ki a koutou, nau mai, haere mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E[To the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, ladies and gentlemen, I bid you a warm welcome here today.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThis bill gives effect to Rukutia Te Mana, the deed of settlement signed by Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the Crown in March 2018. The bill comprises five parts, detailing impressive cultural and commercial redress and the Crown\u2019s apology redress. This redress has been carefully designed to aid Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f81bdb5c6ae64e53802327220abbe8db\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Could we just have a bit of quiet as people leave, please. [Interruption] There are, sort of, meetings down there. Could these two\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4fee6092f89439d8fb0707545dd7c9f\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Oi! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223835eebb898f469d9901b2b2504323c9\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Excuse me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002283c0824976b447ce9b8a6905eae127ba\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. The redress that I just referred to has been carefully designed to aid Ng\u0101ti Rangi on their journey towards a vibrant future. As kaitiaki in their rohe, the environmental and natural resources redress included in this bill is essential in enabling Ng\u0101ti Rangi to fulfil their responsibilities to the natural world. I look forward to describing the bill in greater detail at its third reading, so I\u2019ll keep my comments for this reading somewhat brief. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThis afternoon I want to acknowledge the work of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Trust. For more than two and a half decades, the trust has held the Crown to account to its commitment under the Treaty to work in partnership with Ng\u0101ti Rangi. The Crown hasn\u2019t always upheld the principles of the Treaty or reciprocated the friendship that Ng\u0101ti Rangi has consistently shown the Crown since 1840. Through negotiations with the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Trust, the Crown has come to learn what friendship and partnership with Ng\u0101ti Rangi actually entails. I\u2019m optimistic that this bill contains redress which will support this relationship into the future with the post-settlement governance entity Te T\u014Dtarahoe o Paerangi. I also acknowledge the work of the Crown team at Te Arawhiti, led by chief Crown negotiator Dr John Wood, my ministerial colleagues, and other agencies who have worked on this settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ELastly, I\u2019d like to acknowledge and thank the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, who have swiftly and considerably progressed this bill. In 2018, 26 submissions were received on the bill and the committee travelled to \u014Ch\u0101kune to hear oral submissions from seven of those submitters in full view of Matua te Mana, Ruapehu. The committee reported back to the House on 7 March 2019 and recommended a number of minor technical changes to the bill. The committee also recommended changes that would ensure the deeds to amend, executed while the bill was in the select committee phase, are properly reflected in the bill. I\u2019m satisfied that, with these recommendations as they are, they will ensure the redress agreed in Rukutia Te Mana, the Ng\u0101ti Rangi deed of settlement, can be properly implemented through the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThis second reading of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill represents the next step in the journey of this iwi towards reconciliation with the Crown, but it also brings the wider community of which Ng\u0101ti Rangi is a part closer to benefiting from the good that this settlement will bring to the Ruapehu district. I commend this bill to the House. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022 data-id=\u00223190dd71f36a4299aa31c6bd923f1d33\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223190dd71f36a4299aa31c6bd923f1d33\u0022\u003ENUK KORAKO (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e ng\u0101 puawaitaka o t\u014D t\u0101tou m\u0101tua t\u012Bpuna. Anei r\u0101 mihi h\u014Dhonu ki ng\u0101 uri o Maururu a Paerangi. M\u0101 r\u0101tou i takatakahia te whenua i te timataka o te noho kai whenua o m\u0101tou t\u012Bpuna t\u016Bturu.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. Greetings to you all who are here to represent our ancestors. I want to particularly acknowledge the descendants of Mauruuru a Paerangi. It was they who set about exploring the land when our ancestors first made landfall.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EIt is with real \u0101huareka that I stand to speak to the second reading of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill. A second reading is always interesting, because it\u2019s a time for a considered reflection and report back on the process of the settlement from the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee to this House. The committee received 26 submissions, and I acknowledge the work of my parliamentary colleague and whanauka Rino Tirikatene for his chairmanship in this process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThe M\u0101ori Affairs Committee went, on a beautiful day, to \u014Ch\u0101kune, and that is where we heard a number of the submissions for this bill. Of the 24 submissions, 17 supported the bill, three offered no position, and four were opposed. It\u2019s those that are opposed that the committee\u2014and it is one of the conventions of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee to hear all submissions, but it\u2019s also interesting that we do spend a lot of time hearing those who actually are dissenters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EOf the objections to this particular bill, the following were outlined. There were objections to the historical account and Ng\u0101ti Rangi oral history. There were allegations of Crown bias towards Ng\u0101ti Rangi. There were claims of insufficient redress left for other groups. There were objections to specific redress. There was also the Uenuku Charitable Trust, with not having their interests adequately represented, and also there was opposition to the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Trust by a Ng\u0101ti Rangi wh\u0101nau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EWe had submissions concerning the history of Ng\u0101ti Rangi rohe and that it was being rejigged and an alternative history was being put forward in the deed of settlement. It is difficult to make a determination on whether Ng\u0101ti Rangi was an up-river or a down-river iwi. Considering the evidence for who Ng\u0101ti Rangi were, and in hearing their own k\u014Drero about their whakapapa and where it resided on the river, it appears Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s answer to the question \u201CAre you up the river or down the river as an iwi?\u201D\u2014certainly, from a whakapapa perspective, the raranga of wh\u0101nau who may more closely align to one iwi or other is entirely contingent, actually, on which wh\u0101nau you are getting on with on any given day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003ESo, in considering the question of river location, we went back to the whakapapa and responded, noting that it is actually normal to disagree on the whakapapa of our t\u012Bpuna. Whakapapa, as a genealogy, is not just that, actually, and it\u2019s not just a list of names that starts at A and finishes at Z. Rather, whakapapa is made up of detailed and concise information from a collection of all the k\u014Drero that surrounds the various individuals of that whakapapa. It is also a memory from each person\u2019s perspective who knew the people in the whakapapa and what they passed down to their descendants.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThe Crown does not set out to establish a consensus of agreed facts between the iwi but rather to reflect the origins of the settling group, as it sees itself. That is why we take no position\u2014and that\u2019s why we didn\u2019t take a position\u2014on the agreed historical account in relation to other iwi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI also want to pick up on another concern that the Crown was being biased towards Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Now, as a former chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and also as someone\u2014as a member of Parliament\u2014that has actually seen and been part of a lot of settlements, you just have to ask any iwi that has gone through a settlement with the Crown, and every one of them will probably tell you that the Crown was totally biased against them. And it will not surprise me that Ng\u0101ti Rangi may have a similar view of its dealings with the Crown. In some parts of this bill and listening to submissions, in some ways, that was the situation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EAnd so, related to the concern of the Crown with this one towards that bias of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, I think, is the concern that insufficient redress will be either left to other claimant groups. In fairness, though, when thinking about this, the Crown itself, its coffers are not bottomless. But nor is there a preference to one iwi over the other. So rather than each claim being assessed on its individual merits, we\u2019ve got to go back to the Waitangi Tribunal for this one, because I note with confidence that the Waitangi Tribunal confirmed that other groups in the rohe were not precluded from obtaining redress within the rohe by this particular settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI think that\u2019s really one of the key points here around this take, or this issue\u2014that it was actually that response from the Waitangi Tribunal. I\u2019m encouraged, though, to see, when we look at these, and particularly the Ng\u0101ti Rangi settlement, that we do see a mutual sort of support being expressed between Ng\u0101ti Rangi and their whanauka in the Uenuku claims trust. The support that both iwi offered each other is a true expression, we believe, of tikaka and also manaakitaka that we M\u0101ori so proudly stand on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI want to also comment on a submission from former members of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Trust, because it is a rare iwi entity that manages to negotiate a settlement process without mamae arising between wh\u0101nau. Unfortunately, in some ways, in this Ng\u0101ti Rangi bill and the submissions and all the k\u014Drero and negotiations, there was some of that, but not a lot. But the desire to make good on sins committed against them by the Crown and to make a difference for iwi members can see wh\u0101nau clash. To make a difference for iwi members but to see wh\u0101nau clash with each other is difficult to watch and to experience. I think that one thing that we did here is that we listened, and then we made that informed decision based on that tikanga, particularly around whakapapa, and particularly around that manaakitanga that they both showed to each other. That\u2019s how they reached through that conclusion to where this bill is today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EThat said, the purpose of the submissions phase, really, and what we\u2019re reporting back here in the second reading is to iron out the issues caused by inadvertent legislative writing or other reasons. So as a consequence, there were changes. There were 36 changes, actually, that were needed, and that\u2019s what we\u2019re reporting back at this second reading. Some of the changes they reflected were more important drafting changes. There was one particular one under the Fisheries Act, and then another one, particularly around the intent to transfer the New Zealand Defence Force land.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EI think, when we look at this, this bill is definitely on its way, particularly with reporting back now for this second reading. I think the important thing I want to acknowledge, though, is the work that has been done by the Hon Andrew Little and the good work that he\u2019s done to get it to this stage. I also want to acknowledge the Hon Christopher Finlayson as well, because it was on his watch, as the Minister, that this bill actually really did start its journey, but it\u2019s been picked up well by the present Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003EOn that note, in this bill, I do honour those Ng\u0101ti Rangi wh\u0101nui that are here today and wish you well, because once it goes through this stage, we\u2019re there into the third reading of your bill. So kia kaha to you, and then, on that note, I commend this bill to the House. N\u014D reira, e mihi atu ki a koutou katoa, kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022971cb259d5f4407b8d536b7e21864a19\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022971cb259d5f4407b8d536b7e21864a19\u0022\u003EADRIAN RURAWHE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Hau\u0101uru):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare, otir\u0101 ki a t\u0101tou katoa, t\u0113nei te mihi ake. Oti noa, ki a koutou ki \u014Dku whanaunga o Ng\u0101ti Rangi t\u0113nei ahau tuku mihi atu ki a koutou katoa kua tae mai ki te whakarongo ki ng\u0101 k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki t\u014D t\u0101tou pire, kei roto i Te Whare nei, n\u014D reira nau mai, haere mai, t\u0113nei te mihi atu, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, greetings everyone. To my kinsmen of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, I offer warm greetings to you all who have come here to listen to speeches about our bill in this House; welcome, welcome, thrice welcome to one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s a real pleasure, again, to take a call on this debate, the second reading of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill. I sat on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and I want to endorse the words of my colleague Nuk Korako for his elegant contribution to the select committee process. It is one of the select committees of this Parliament that does work collaboratively\u2014as he would say, under kotahitanga. I just want to acknowledge all the members of the select committee, but I also want to acknowledge the clerk of our select committee, Aaron Williams, and the deputy clerk, Miles Sutton, as well, along with all of the officials that supported us in looking at this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI went back and looked at what I said at the first reading, and I wanted to continue the theme that I spoke about then. One of the things I said was that, in the deed of settlement, it was Ng\u0101ti Rangitanga that permeated throughout that deed of settlement. Indeed, it also permeates throughout this bill here. One particular part that I wanted to look at in a little bit more detail is Te Mana Tupua o Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika, which is Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika framework. Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika starts on what we know as Koro Ruapehu\u2014on the mountain, at the crater\u2014and it goes all the way out to the sea, commonly known as the Whangaehu River, but not just the Whangaehu. It is an indivisible whole, including everything that flows into the river, and I think it\u2019s important to recognise a couple of things about Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ENumber one was that Ng\u0101ti Rangi had the tenacity enough to get this part of the bill into the deed, and now into the bill, because it sets up a framework for the protection of Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika. I think that not only does this piece of legislation do that for Ng\u0101ti Rangi but it also does it for all of Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s whanaunga who are connected to those waters through whakapapa, through the water itself and everything that is indivisible as that whole.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI think that\u2019s an expression of, as I said, their tenacity but also their generosity. So, as part of that framework, it includes a set of intrinsic values known as Ng\u0101 Toka Tupua o Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika, and within the legislation it talks about exactly what those values are. It also has, in that part of the legislation, a subpart that gives legal effect to the framework and describes how it gives effect to the framework. It talks about the establishment of Ng\u0101 Wai T\u014Dt\u0101 o Te Wai\u016B, which is a group that provides the strategic leadership which is required under the deed of settlement and when it becomes an Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EOne of the things that this group has to do is, as I said, provide strategic leadership. It is made up not only of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and this is where some of that generosity comes into it, but also of other iwi groups as well. It also includes local bodies with an interest in the river. They have a responsibility to go through a legal process to produce Te T\u0101horatanga o Te Wai\u016B, a strategic leadership document; although, that\u2019s not the words that are used in the legislation, not exactly\u2014some might say a \u201Cstrategic plan\u201D. I don\u2019t think that would describe it adequately enough, but I\u2019m sure members get the picture.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ESo there is quite a prescribed process to go through that is in the legislation to produce that document, and that document will, I think, along with all the other parts of the framework, become quite a powerful part of this legislation. It\u2019s probably not received the attention that it deserves, and it probably has gone under the radar within the whole process, but I think that, in its time, it will become one of the most important parts of this legislation\u2014notwithstanding the fact that all the other redress elements within the bill will provide an incredible future for the next generation of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and that ought to be acknowledged.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI think the future for Ng\u0101ti Rangi is great, and, as my time runs out, I will say that I hope to have a call in the third reading and talk about that future. But, for now, there are so many good things within this settlement. Once again, I join my colleague Nuk Korako in expressing how wonderful it was to visit \u014Ch\u0101kune to hear the evidence during the select committee process. I think, if I was to characterise and summarise what Mr Korako said, we heard concerns; we sought further detail and information from officials; we considered that; and we made our decisions, which are within the commentary at the beginning of this bill. I truly do believe that this bill is the best that it can be under the framework of the Crown and next to the framework of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. I think Ng\u0101ti Rangi has maximised the possibility of the framework of the Crown to achieve what they have for their settlement. N\u014D reira k\u0101ore e roa t\u0113nei t\u016B, oti noa e tika ana kia tuku mihi atu ki Te Whare nei, otir\u0101 ki a koutou o Ng\u0101ti Rangi, t\u0113nei an\u014D te mihi ake ki a koutou, n\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Therefore, I won\u2019t linger further other than to reiterate the greetings extended in this House, especially to you Ng\u0101ti Rangi, greetings one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022 data-id=\u0022ea2b45657c8345b4a09d05dca5a2b7ca\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ea2b45657c8345b4a09d05dca5a2b7ca\u0022\u003EHon NICKY WAGNER (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. This is a significant bill for the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and, indeed, it\u2019s significant for all New Zealanders. So it\u2019s an enormous pleasure and privilege to see so many representatives of the iwi here today. As someone from \u014Ctautahi, Te Wai Pounamu, and someone who\u2019s seen Ng\u0101i Tahu flourish and grow since their settlement was made, I understand the importance of today for you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s been a very long time since 1840, when several Whanganui rangatira with Ng\u0101ti Rangi affiliation signed the Treaty of Waitangi and entered into partnership with the Crown\u2014entered into partnership with the Crown with mana and in good faith. At that time, Ng\u0101ti Rangi was a powerful and prosperous community, embracing the future with confidence. I believe they backed themselves to grow and develop in partnership with the Crown. And it\u2019s been a very long journey with many twists and turns to get here today to the second reading of their claims settlement bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EIt was in good faith and in partnership with the Crown that, during the 1840s, Ng\u0101ti Rangi rangatira worked with European settlers, selling land for a township to establish the township. They built whare in anticipation of settlers arriving, and welcomed them to their district. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EDuring the very disruptive and turbulent times of the 1860s and 1870s, Ng\u0101ti Rangi maintained their mana motuhake and protected their rohe. They strategically aligned themselves with the Crown, but they also entered into commercial leasing arrangements with Europeans without the Crown\u2019s involvement. During all this time, the Crown failed to honour the Treaty of Waitangi, and that failure is acknowledged today with an apology from the Crown. From a monopoly position, the Crown passed a series of laws that weakened the iwi\u2019s position. They prevented Ng\u0101ti Rangi from leasing their land to private parties and then they purchased it, and, what\u2019s more, they often broke their promises about the conditions of that purchase. Throughout all this, Ng\u0101ti Rangi were proactively protecting their lands, working with Te Keepa and his trust, and supporting Te Kotahitanga movement to assert their rangatiratanga and to protect their interests. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EOver the next few years, the Crown also used compulsory acquisition to acquire significant iwi land for public works without consultation. No compensation was paid for land taken for the North Island trunk railway, and Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s connection and spiritual home of Mount Ruapehu was not even taken into consideration. They were not even consulted or compensated for land compulsorily acquired when the Tongariro National Park was established in 1907, or when the Tongariro power development scheme was constructed in their rohe, permanently altering the environment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EToday, all these issues and more are acknowledged, and the apology of the Crown recognises the distress of the iwi being unable to exercise kaitiakitanga, manaakitanga, or whanaungatanga with other customary rights and responsibilities over their lands and resources. So it is absolutely appropriate that the cultural redress in this settlement recognises the traditional, historical, and spiritual association of Ng\u0101ti Rangi to their whenua, to places and sites, and especially to the Whangaehu River, and that it has resources to protect and enhance conservation values in these areas. Significantly and importantly, Ng\u0101ti Rangi is now one of the iwi that will take part in the collective negotiations over the Tongariro National Park and its future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThis claim settlement is an important milestone for Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the Crown. As their trust chairman, Shar Amner, says, this is another step towards healing the mamae between Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the Crown, and that\u2019s what we celebrate today. Kia ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u0022cdca1bd1eabf45c38a15b7aef82fa34f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cdca1bd1eabf45c38a15b7aef82fa34f\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK (Minister of Defence):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019d like to start with: e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ki ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Rangi, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. He nui aku mihi mahana, ng\u0101 mihi maioha, me ng\u0101 mihi aroha hoki ki a koutou. Nau mai ki t\u0113nei Whare, ki Te Whare P\u0101remata, nau mai, haere mai ki te Poneke, nau mai, haere mai ki te rohe o Atiawa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Greetings to you all, the descendants of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. I extend a warm, sincere and heartfelt greeting to you all. Welcome to this House, to this House of Parliament, welcome, welcome to Wellington, welcome to tribal district of Atiawa, greetings one, greetings all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EIt is a pleasure, actually, to be able to address Ng\u0101ti Rangi here again this afternoon, and this time we\u2019re on the second reading of their claims settlement bill. I recall speaking in the first reading some time ago, and before I go any further in talking to the bill, I just want to acknowledge and pay tribute to Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s steadfastness and their graciousness throughout the entire settlement process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI also want to acknowledge the members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, who I think have done a good job, regardless of which party they are. The select committee process when you\u2019re hearing settlements can sometimes be challenging, especially when you have submissions from other iwi, other M\u0101ori, who do not share the same view of that which the Crown has reached with the claimants\u2014in this case, Ng\u0101ti Rangi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the current Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, the Hon Andrew Little, and I want to acknowledge also the Hon Chris Finlayson. As one who was a lead negotiator for Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu ki Wairarapa T\u0101maki Nui-\u0101-Rua, I greatly appreciated the manner in which the Hon Chris Finlayson engaged in those negotiations, and I have no doubt, Ng\u0101ti Rangi, that you will have had a similar relationship and working relationship and respectful relationship both with Mr Finlayson and with Mr Little.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge humbly the contribution and sacrifice Ng\u0101ti Rangi have made to New Zealand and to the Crown over many generations. The history of Ng\u0101ti Rangi and its engagement with the Crown has always been honourable, from Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s side of the table at least. Standing as the Minister of Defence and Minister for Veterans Affairs right now, as the spokesman for New Zealand First, and as a former serviceman myself of 20 years\u2019 military experience and a veteran, I acknowledge, with respect and humility, the contribution that many members of Ng\u0101ti Rangi have made to the security and stability of this nation and the contribution that Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s ancestors made in those early times of which this bill speaks and seeks to redress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI also want to\u2014as one who has worked through the difficulties of a Treaty settlement process\u2014acknowledge the trials and tribulations that Ng\u0101ti Rangi have endured as they\u2019ve worked through that process, which is a process laid down by the Crown, which in itself brings some challenges. I know from having personally experienced it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI want to also acknowledge that this journey would have been made difficult at times as people who held the knowledge passed; as people who were engaged in lodging the claim and pursuing that claim passed before it even got to the mandate phase; and all of those subsequent people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi who are not able to be here at this point in time but who are so very, very much part of the claim, the history, the whakapapa, the trials and tribulations that Ng\u0101ti Rangi endured. So I mihi to those that have passed on and acknowledge them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EAs I said in the first reading, much of what I\u2019ve read about Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s claims and much of what I heard when I had the privilege of being with you in March last year, I think it was, has a very clear parallel with many other settlements that have come through this House. I guess, in the negotiation phase, the Crown is always looking\u2014it knows that there\u2019s a baseline because things happen throughout New Zealand to differing iwi that were the same. But the parallels with Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu ki Wairarapa are very strikingly similar. The nullification of leasehold agreements\u2014legal agreement struck between Ng\u0101ti Rangi and settlers\u2014is exactly what Governor Grey did in the Wairarapa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThe fact that Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s ancestors were so visionary and forward thinking about how land should be held and how land should be not so much sold but leased to people that it might be developed, that Ng\u0101ti Rangi would gain from the injection and infusion of other thinking, other skills, from the settlers in particular, that that would bring economic opportunity and advancement, is exactly what happened in the Wairarapa. The fact that a Government or a Governor of the day should see fit to step over the top of that and quash it\u2014I wonder today, when I hear certain people railing against Treaty settlement claims, and so often from the right of the right, how they would react to the cancelling of property rights today if that were happening today, and what sorts of settlements they would seek in the courts against the Crown today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThere is no way that the Treaty settlement process can ever compensate Ng\u0101ti Rangi for those quashed leases that had a pound value at that time, and which are quite capable of being extrapolated through mathematically to produce a 2019 figure as to what the loss was. There\u2019s no way the Crown can compensate for that, and it makes it clear that it won\u2019t and can\u2019t. But, again, the graciousness shown by Ng\u0101ti Rangi in accepting that there has to be a settlement, and it\u2019s falling down where you have negotiated, speaks more\u2014some would argue\u2014of Ng\u0101ti Rangi than it does of the Crown, and I acknowledge that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThe interesting things about the situation with Ruapehu, I liken to what happened with Wairarapa Moana. The power development projects, which we all benefit from today\u2014all of us, the whole of New Zealand\u2014I liken to what happened to Kahungunu with the rail project that actually didn\u2019t go ahead in the end, and they sold off the land anyway. I liken the contribution through the military\u2014and I wish to acknowledge, as part of the cultural settlement, the gifting back of Irirangi to Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and then the gifting back of Irirangi again, by Ng\u0101ti Rangi back to the Crown and back to the Defence Force. Can I acknowledge that and thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EIt does sort of raise those memories in the Wairarapa of land that was taken for rail and then was converted into ballot farms and given to non-M\u0101ori soldiers who returned from the First World War when none were given to M\u0101ori soldiers. It raises those thoughts in my mind again. I think of the Whangaehu, which I have been wet and cold in often, as a soldier, and I think of the Ruam\u0101hanga in the Wairarapa because the claims are so similar as to what happened.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI conclude, on behalf of New Zealand First, by proudly saying to Ng\u0101ti Rangi that it is a pleasure to be able to stand here and support your second reading. We thank you for your graciousness, we thank you for your tolerance, and we wish you well as this bill progresses through to the third reading and look forward to seeing you back here again for that in due course. Kei te mihi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u0022937f91d263d0418791b7eb21e601b501\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022937f91d263d0418791b7eb21e601b501\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Deputy Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, \u014Dku rangatira Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Koro Ruapehu, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, nau mai, whakatau mai ki Te Whare P\u0101remata e takat\u016B nei. E t\u016B tautoko ahau i t\u0113nei pire, i tana p\u0101nuitanga tuarua.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Greetings to you ladies and gentlemen from Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Most Revered Ruapehu, I offer greetings and a warm welcome to Parliament. I support this bill in its second reading.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI\u2019m delighted to speak in support of this bill at its second reading, and as I gaze up to the gallery and see Ng\u0101ti Rangi, who have graced us with their presence today, I\u2019m reminded of the absolutely spectacular vista of Koro Ruapehu that greeted us when the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee travelled to \u014Ch\u0101kune last October. It was a spectacular day and it definitely set the scene for us in terms of not only the importance of the mahi that we were doing but just how spectacular the natural resources and the sacred maunga are to our manuhiri of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s been a lot of work that\u2019s been happening since the last reading, and I\u2019m pleased to be able to fill the House in on some of the good work that has been happening and that we also did as a committee. That work actually involved many, many aspects of the workings of this Parliament\u2014from the Regulations Review Committee, the Business Committee, and also of course the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. I know that the journey of this bill has been likened to running around the bases of a softball or a baseball game\u2014and we definitely have arrived at second base and we are looking forward to the homeward stretch to the home base. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EBut, fundamentally, we mustn\u2019t forget the purpose of this bill, which is to give effect to the deed of settlement which was executed by Ng\u0101ti Rangi with the Crown. That\u2019s what this bill does, and I\u2019m thrilled that there have actually been three additional deeds to amend the actual deed, Rukutia Te Mana, and that goes to show that Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the Crown wish to ensure that every possible detail is made correct and lasts. So, between the first and second readings, there have been some minor technical changes that were made. Again, though, that just goes to show that not only Ng\u0101ti Rangi but the Crown want to ensure that all aspects of the settlement are robust, are correct, and are enduring and lasting. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI don\u2019t intend to take up my full call, because I know this is just the second reading, but I want to acknowledge Ms Wagner and Minister Ron Mark for their remarks. We mustn\u2019t forget the history, which is why we\u2019re here, in terms of what Ng\u0101ti Rangi has endured over the last 170-plus years. We mustn\u2019t forget that\u2014from the New Zealand Wars all the way through to Tongariro National Park and all the aspects which have been recorded and well traversed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Rangi are a really progressive, innovative iwi\u2014very well lead, and that was evidenced by just the way in which we have been able to go about our work from the wonderful Te Pae Tata Ruapehu Community Learning \u0026amp; Tech Hub, which hosted us for our select committee hearings. It was really evident that Ng\u0101ti Rangi are really stamping their mark not only among their people, their iwi, but also across the wider community in \u014Ch\u0101kune, Ruapehu, Wai\u014Duru, stretching over to Raetihi. They are doing some wonderful, wonderful mahi there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge actually today the work that Ng\u0101ti Rangi have done in actually changing\u2014fundamentally changing\u2014how all Treaty settlements from now on will be dealing with aspects around cultural aspirations. Up until this point\u2014and it\u2019s in every settlement that has come through this House, I would imagine; don\u2019t double check me on that\u2014there are taonga t\u016Bturu protocols and these are protocols with the Manat\u016B Taonga Ministry for Culture and Heritage and with different arms within the Department of Internal Affairs, which includes Te Papa. Up until now, all of those different protocols have been separate with each agency, and what Ng\u0101ti Rangi has done is they have sat down with the Crown, I would imagine, and said, \u201CHey, why should we have to deal with each of these separate different agencies of Government? Why don\u2019t we deal with them altogether in a cross-interagency relationship?\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo I commend them for this new instrument, which is called Te Whakaaetanga Tiaki Taonga, and by that arrangement it doesn\u2019t change fundamentally, I guess, what was envisaged through the taongo t\u016Bturu protocol; it just ensures that all of the agencies are working together on those aspects together with Ng\u0101ti Rangi. So I want to acknowledge Ng\u0101ti Rangi for changing the landscape with the Whakaaetanga Tiaki Taonga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThere were many other technical changes that we\u2019ve made to this bill. Again, we must acknowledge Ng\u0101ti Rangi is part of four large natural groupings within the Whanganui area, amidst 11 overlapping claims; so you can imagine the dynamics, and we certainly saw that through the submissions. I do acknowledge all the submitters. We hear it with every settlement: aspects around whakapapa, aspects around land histories. It\u2019s not for us to judge those particular matters. Suffice to say that we respect everyone\u2019s views of their own history, but this bill is all about Ng\u0101ti Rangi. It\u2019s been well traversed and well recorded and has been agreed and executed through Rukutia Te Mana for Ng\u0101ti Rangi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo, with that, I just want to once again acknowledge Ng\u0101ti Rangi, who have travelled to be part of this occasion, and I certainly am looking forward to taking this to home base and we can celebrate from that point. But, for now, I want to mihi to all those that were involved with our select committee process: to those that helped us just work on particular aspects, in particular, Mr Brownlee and the Regulations Review Committee, who raised some very pertinent points, which we have addressed; likewise to the Business Committee, which allowed us the extra time to be able to complete some technical aspects while still maintaining this date as the time for the second reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EAnd so, with that, ka nui te mihi atu ki a koutou e Ng\u0101ti Rangi; e te r\u014Dp\u016B rangatira huri rauna i t\u0113nei Whare t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa [warm greetings to you all who are here from Ng\u0101ti Rangi; ladies and gentlemen throughout this House, I greet you, one and all].\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u0022e51c5ccc5eda42a58477bd1093fe1776\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e51c5ccc5eda42a58477bd1093fe1776\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, and my greetings to Ng\u0101ti Rangi in the House on this, the second reading of their claims settlement bill. I too want to add my voice of thanks for the hospitality for the select committee on the hearing of the submissions on this bill, and it is, as well as for other members of that committee, very vivid in my memory\u2014the mountain behind us as we heard the stories coming to us from the submitters of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. I understand they identify as the people of the mountain, so it was a very clear day and, speaking for myself, I truly felt as if I was in the presence of the mountain and its people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ESo the Greens are in unanimity in the House in supporting this, and in second reading I guess it\u2019s about acknowledging the pathway to this point and the stories that we heard that are in the deed of settlement, Rukutia Te Mana, but also the alternative voices that we heard through the submissions process. For us in the Greens, Te Tiriti is not just about property rights\u2014because it\u2019s just such a paltry return that it couldn\u2019t be just about that\u2014but it is about an ongoing relationship with iwi, hap\u016B, and the Crown. And it\u2019s another chance for us to always emphasise that Te Tiriti cannot be settled; it\u2019s about a relationship and an ongoing partnership. I want to acknowledge Ng\u0101ti Rangi and this Rukutia Te Mana for the new models of partnership that have been created in this process that are offering us a new way forward, particularly in relation to the care for the land and the waterways.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EAfter the first reading, there was a media release that was put out from Ng\u0101ti Rangi Trust, and I really liked the framing after that moment, where they were acknowledging that, since signing their deed, they\u2019ve moved from \u201CWhere the Crown goes, so goes Ng\u0101ti Rangi.\u201D into a place where \u201CWhere Ng\u0101ti Rangi goes, so goes the Crown.\u201D That\u2019s the ideal place, I would say, that we would want to get to through the settlement process, where there\u2019s the Crown acknowledging the history of colonisation and the great harm that was done and the theft\u2014though, of course, we never use that word\u2014and the putting of our values on to mana whenua; that, actually, we acknowledge that and rebalance the power and the relationships and start to listen and resurface that traditional knowledge to be able to move forward for all of our benefit. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ERukutia Te Mana is framed around the six poupou, in the settlement framework, and it translates to their being the pinnacles of the house of stone of Paerangi. In that, it includes a groundbreaking and integrated new framework for the Whangaehu River catchment called Te Wai\u016B-o-te-Ika, which recognises the intrinsic connection between iwi and hap\u016B of Whangaehu and with the awa. That\u2019s been one of the problems of colonisation, apart from us taking the land and destroying its productivity and polluting the waters and denying people that water, its life; it\u2019s also had a huge consequence on the people, because we cannot, of course, separate the water from the people or the people from the land. We are all one, and this settlement is a very clear acknowledgment of that, and I really strongly believe that the entire country will benefit from that rebalancing, from those values and partnership being put into our legislation and policy. So thank you to Ng\u0101ti Rangi for their leadership and their work to help restore the balance in this country in that area. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI do, of course, as with others, want to acknowledge that this, as with other settlements is not uncomplicated. As others have said, there are 11 overlapping claimant groups in this area, and Ng\u0101ti Rangi are one of four large natural groupings in this area. The Greens traditionally have been quite critical of the forcing of hap\u016B into large natural groupings, and I think the consistency with which we hear alternative stories being told reinforces the problem of that approach. Te Tiriti o Waitangi was emphasising hap\u016Btanga, and that does not seem consistent, to me, with an approach of forcing people into large natural groupings; it\u2019s almost the very opposite. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThe M\u0101ori Affairs Committee heard the other submitters who contested the history, but I do agree with colleagues on the committee that the Crown cannot be the one to decide whose history is right. That is not the role of the Crown. We can acknowledge that our process seems to create a truth that doesn\u2019t actually match reality, because often histories have been suppressed and silenced through the impacts of colonisation. Histories aren\u2019t simple; they get told in simple ways, but they aren\u2019t simple, and multiple truths exist. I think it\u2019s really important to acknowledge that, and to hear the pain and acknowledge the pain of those who feel as if this settlement does not reflect their history. I do hope that their time will come to tell their history and have that acknowledged. For those who are not part of any settlement and feel as if their history doesn\u2019t have a chance to be heard, I do think that is something for us as a House to consider\u2014how those alternative histories can be acknowledged and heard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EAlso, mentioning the concerns about the amount of redress left for claimants and that this process may create bias towards Ng\u0101ti Rangi as mana whenua\u2014the committee really considered those issues and wanted to, I think, in the final outcome, express the view that this is not intended to create a bias towards Ng\u0101ti Rangi as mana whenua and acknowledge that there are, indeed, multiple mana whenua and more settlements coming. The issue in terms of the concern, when there\u2019s a limited pool of money, that enough may not be left for others\u2014from the Greens\u2019 perspective, you know, the pool of money has always been a problem, and that\u2019s not the fault of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. I think their negotiation\u2014they should be proud of the work that they\u2019ve done, and the pressure should always be on the Crown and this country to acknowledge the huge generosity of mana whenua in accepting these settlements. It is on us to make sure that nobody is at a disadvantage as the result of any of the settlements. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ESo, again, just to finally acknowledge the many years of work and the generations of people that have been harmed by the actions of this House and those who have passed before we got to this point\u2014the Greens are, with all of the caveats, happy to acknowledge the huge effort and the amazing leadership of Ng\u0101ti Rangi in getting us to this point. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022 data-id=\u002299047f1573394c8eb8404f4247bec1a5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002299047f1573394c8eb8404f4247bec1a5\u0022\u003EJO HAYES (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e \u014Dku wh\u0101nau o Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Nau mai, haere mai ki te r\u0101 whakahirahira.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E[Thank you. Greetings to you, my family from Ng\u0101ti Rangi. I bid you a warm welcome on this important day.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EIt is with great pleasure that I stand to take a call in the second reading of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill. I want to acknowledge Che Wilson and his team from Ng\u0101ti Rangi for the work that they have done in this settlement claims process. I must admit\u2014like the rest of my colleagues have articulated in the House\u2014when we went to the hearings in \u014Ch\u0101kune, yes, Koro Ruapehu was over the top of us, and he stayed there all day, watching us and making sure that the process that was being done in that whare was being done correctly. I don\u2019t know about the rest of my colleagues, but I felt rather at ease with the whole thing\u2014nice and warmed up\u2014and it was great. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EAbout this time in the speaking order, you know, it\u2019s always difficult to say some lovely words around claims settlement bills when you\u2019re so far down the speaking order list, but in my contribution today, I want to actually focus a little bit on some of the history of Ng\u0101ti Rangi and some of the atrocities that happened to them that actually brought us to this day. Whilst I hear what Jan Logie and the rest of our colleagues have said in the House today\u2014that there is not enough money to be able to compensate the atrocities that actually affected Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2014I mean, that\u2019s how it is for the time being; however, you know, what is given over for the Treaty claims, whether it be land or money, I know that the iwi will do well by it and will grow their economic base.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EBut, as I said, I just want to traverse a little bit of some of the history of Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the amount of land that they lost\u201463,000 acres in 1900 to 13,500 acres today. That is absolutely a shameful past, and we should never ever let that happen again. When you lose that much land, that much economic base, it\u2019s no wonder that self-sustainability for Ng\u0101ti Rangi, when it came to their rangatiratanga and kaitiakitanga of their many taonga, was adversely affected. So I think that a lot of the loyalty that Ng\u0101ti Rangi gave to the Crown at that time in their history, went unanswered by the Crown. When we look at the number of leases that the Crown took away from Ng\u0101ti Rangi, or paid minimal rent for, eventually taking land completely, the leased lands noted for today, or the case in point, is the Murimotu district case. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s also have a look at the use of public works and scenery preservation to acquire Ng\u0101ti Rangi lands and blocking access to significant w\u0101hi tapu\u2014these are just other examples. The failure to pay compensation for land compulsorily taken for the Main Trunk Line; the non-return of vested lands\u2014namely the \u014Ch\u016Btu No. 8 block; the Tongariro National Park; Matua maunga Ruapehu\u2014that was part of our national park; significant blocks of Ng\u0101ti Rangi land taken by the Crown; and Rangip\u014D North No. 8 block, known as t\u016Bpuna w\u0101hi tapu lands Te Wai-\u0101-Moe, Paretetaitonga, and Te Ara ki Paretetaitonga\u2014all taken. All taken by the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThe damage to the Ng\u0101ti Rangi lands from the planting of pinus contorta\u2014a weed\u2014and I remember when I was doing my degree at Massey University, my science degree, one of the things that we had to do as students was go up to the plateau and pull out pinus contorta weeds to try and make room for growth that should be there of right; and also the New Zealand Defence Force lands at Wai\u014Duru\u2014all of these things were done by the Crown, almost, to Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Of course, we cannot forget Te Awa o Whangaehu, the Tongariro power station and Eastern Diversion, the loss of Te Reo M\u0101ori, the impact of socio-economic well-being on wh\u0101nau, the loss of jobs, housing; all of those things are a history that should never be forgotten as we move into the future. I wanted to put that into the Hansard in this House so it will never be forgotten, because in years to come when Joe Average out there on the street sees all the beautiful development of the lands of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, they will need to know how that all came about, and that\u2019s why I put it to the Hansard of today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EHowever, today, we are one committee of the whole and a third reading away from the end of your settlement journey, Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Ng\u0101ti Rangi wh\u0101nau have spoken at the select committee hearings, you\u2019ve spoken through the numerous reports, the k\u014Drero that\u2019s been written, the histories that have been written for Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and it\u2019s all down on record for the world to see.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThe advisers, the Parliamentary Counsel Office, and the select committee\u2014we\u2019ve all done our work and we\u2019ve all come together. Ministers have worked together\u2014the Hon Andrew Little and the Hon Chris Finlayson\u2014to get to this point. The amendments have been completed, as was said by our chair, Rino Tirikatene. All of that work has been done, and now we wait for the committee of the whole House and the third reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EAs I stand here, as the Hon Ron Mark has said in his contribution, we stand here often in all of these claims settlement bills, and we hear and we read and we speak about the atrocities; we speak about not enough compensation. Yet we try hard and we look at the way that iwi can grow their economic base from what we are able to settle in their settlements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003ESo, as we continue to talk through this today, we need to be, I suppose, mindful that our contributions do need to be kept short in the second reading so we can hurry up and get to the third reading, and then the bill needs to go to the Governor-General to sign off for Royal assent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003ESo I am humbled again that another one of my iwi are here in the House today and they\u2019re getting their claims settlement bill through this House. I\u2019m proud of the work that you have all done. I sit up there and I am in awe of all the mahi that you do, not just in this but what you do at home as well. For your knowledge, my mother was brought up by Karaitiana Karaitiana\u2014te Whare Pono o Karaitiana\u2014on the awa o Whanganui, and that is my home side as well from my mother. So, without any further ado, I\u2019m proud to commend this bill to the House. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u002227aa9e973e994bf690a1a63954cd9075\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002227aa9e973e994bf690a1a63954cd9075\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: This is a split call. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u0022e8ea17c3935c4584b91d83b1ecfa20cb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e8ea17c3935c4584b91d83b1ecfa20cb\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E E Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ng\u0101 mema o Te Whare nei, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. E te iwi, Ng\u0101ti Rangi, t\u0113nei te mihi aroha ki a koutou katoa kua tae mai i runga i te karanga o te r\u0101\u2014te p\u0101nui tuarua o t\u0101 koutou pire, o t\u0101 t\u0101tou pire, n\u014D reira \u014Dku rau rangatira m\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. To the members of this House, greetings. To the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, I extend warm greetings to you all who have answered the call of the day\u2014the second reading of your bill, of our bill. Therefore, ladies and gentlemen, I greet you, one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI\u2019m pleased to rise in supporting the second reading of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill; I\u2019m pleased, as a representative of the Tair\u0101whiti, to stand in honour of the second reading of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Can I just acknowledge, for those who have travelled down here, and to remind members of the House, that we are talking about Ng\u0101ti Rangi who are based in the western and southern foothills of Mount Ruapehu. The area of interest includes \u014Ch\u0101kune, Wai\u014Duru, and borders on Raetihi. Some would call it the venture capitalist, tourism capital of Aotearoa New Zealand, where many people come to enjoy the beautiful slopes of Ruapehu and of, of course, the lovely manaakitanga we receive from \u014Ch\u0101kune, Raetihi, and, of course, we had the Hon Mr Ron Mark talk about the military readiness of Wai\u014Duru.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EFor those who are here and maybe those who are listening at home, it\u2019s just timely to remind us that the second reading is to assure the House that the bill has been thoroughly scrutinised through the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. As a member of that select committee, and all previous speakers, we have attested to the fact that we\u2019ve had 26 submissions on this bill, of which seven were heard up in \u014Ch\u0101kune. It\u2019s important to assure the House that submitters were listened to, that where we made technical amendments, they were made. It\u2019s in that regard that I just want to touch on a couple of proposed amendments that the select committee have brought to the House, and make some comments on that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThe first is the Taonga T\u016Bturu Protocol, and the Chair has touched on that, the cross-agency instrument called the Whakaaetanga Tiaki Taonga. And this reminds me of a former colleague who helped facilitate this negotiation, Che Wilson, in our time with the Department of Labour many, many years ago, coming in for his expertise in actually getting Crown agencies to work together. It\u2019s a challenge. It was a challenge back in the early 90s, and it remains a challenge today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo I want to acknowledge Che Wilson and the negotiators for the hard work in getting and bringing forth this particular amendment to their settlement bill. So ng\u0101 mihi ki a koe. I want to acknowledge that he was also only a few weeks ago a chief judge of the largest matatini just down the road here, at the Cake Tin. Now, I won\u2019t make a comment on who finally won, because there were about 38 judges, but let\u2019s just say we love to share the love around the country from the Tair\u0101whiti. So I mihi to my colleague the Hon Peeni Henare as we travel to T\u0101maki-makau-rau in 2021. Back to the bill\u2014back to the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThe other amendment is, of course, the amendment to the Karioi Forest, and so I want to acknowledge the work in achieving amendments to accurately give Ng\u0101ti Rangi forestry licence to perform and benefit from the fact that they now have shares in a forest. Of course, that is another economic enabler for the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThe other area I wanted to touch on is, obviously, the dissenters to the bill. Of course, there are always going to be people who believe that this is not the right way, and I\u2019m glad particularly in acknowledging Uenuku Charitable Trust, who realised that because Ng\u0101ti Rangi is progressing, their own rights and interests are protected. I just want to acknowledge them in this second reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIt is important to acknowledge the hard work of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. To all the officials; Parliamentary Counsel Office, which actually drafts the legislation; of course Te Arawhiti officials; and of course our own clerks of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee; to all our members, who work collaboratively on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee so that we can ensure that Treaty bills pass through this House in an expedient way: I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022 data-id=\u0022ecd1447938c743b884f4d7b7370fa493\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ecd1447938c743b884f4d7b7370fa493\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E E karanga hoki au ki ng\u0101 t\u016Bpuna, ki ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Rangi, ki a koutou katoa\u2014nau mai, hoki mai, haere mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E[I add my voice of welcome to the ancestors and the descendants of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, to you all I extend a warm welcome.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI have been sitting quietly in the back benches but ever so mindful of my whanaunga sitting above me. I was just seated over here and have been for the duration of the k\u014Drero this afternoon\u2014but also ever so mindful and present for the duration of the k\u014Drero over the decades. At the first reading, I addressed the House on the significance of the importance of the acknowledgment of the history, the acknowledgments of the Crown to our people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and the apology. Today, the second reading of this bill is focused very much on an explanation of the substance of the bill, its principles, and the purpose of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EAs one of the last speakers and with the very short call that I have, most has been traversed; however, I wish to briefly recap the navigable course over the decades, over the century: 1840, Ng\u0101ti Rangi signed the Treaty of Waitangi; throughout the 1860s and 1870s Ng\u0101ti Rangi, understandably, aligned with the Crown, portraying tino rangatiratanga\u2014sovereignty\u2014but also a strategic positioning for survival. Ng\u0101ti Rangi is strong and will continue to remain strong in the recognition of its special relationship with other of our iwi and also with the Crown. In the 1890s, Ng\u0101ti Rangi aligned with Te Kotahitanga to assert and protect one\u2019s own interests. And then, over the last 28 years, has been the course, navigating towards the third and final reading of the bill\u2014the agreement in principle, signed 15 March 2017; the deed of settlement, 10 March 2018; the first reading, 9 August 2018; and here I stand today at the second reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EIt is a privilege to stand to address as uri of Ng\u0101ti Rangi in this House, but I\u2019m also mindful of the role that I carry now as a Crown representative and agent. Some 26 submissions were heard at the foot of Te Mana\u2014at Te Mana o Te Tapu\u2014Koro Ruapehu. And sitting there listening to those making a submission\u201417 in support, four dissenting, three still uncertain, but those of us very sure that the stories that were being heard were at the foot of Matua te Mana. And there in that presence were the stories of our t\u016Bpuna that we carried with us. I don\u2019t have time to traverse the detail in terms of amendments. I sat on the select committee with M\u0101ori Affairs at the time. I now sit and am a member of the Regulations Review Committee. I will be seeking leave to be able to address this House again at the third reading of this bill to see its final passage through.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EHowever, I note that there were some 36 amendments\u2014some typographical, some relatively technical\u2014but there was one that was of significant substance, and that was around the customary fisheries. Reference has been made to clause 128 of the bill. This bill, Ng\u0101ti Rangi, you will have a copy; this is yours. But the Regulations Review Committee recommended that there be a significant amendment proposed, and that was around ensuring that there was no need to reference it within your bill. However, the significant reference was ensuring that the Minister of Fisheries has that particular responsibility to engage and take heed of the advice and also for Ng\u0101ti Rangi to be part of those decisions around clause 128.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EWe prepare notes\u2014we have them as a guiding tool as we speak\u2014but the difficulty is that time is curtailing my opportunity to address you all further. I will seek leave at the third reading, and in commending this bill to the House, I\u2019m ever so mindful that, again, Ng\u0101ti Rangi you have come to the Whare. Your presence remains with us until this goes through to its final reading. I commend this bill to the House. Ng\u0101 mihi mahana ki a koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u00226eba059ae6de47a38063dc7678a61170\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226eba059ae6de47a38063dc7678a61170\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare. T\u0101 te mea kua huaina mai \u0113tahi o \u014D t\u0101ua hoa mahi i t\u014Dku ingoa, e tika ana me t\u016B au ki te whakahoki atu i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero ki t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare i te r\u0101 nei. E tautoko m\u0101rika ana ahau i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero me ng\u0101 mihi i tukuna atu ki a Ng\u0101ti Rangi kua tae ora mai ki roto i t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare me te p\u0101nuitanga tuarua o t\u0113nei pire. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKua k\u014Drero mai w\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 mema o Te Whare nei, m\u014D w\u0113tahi panonitanga, w\u0113tahi whakarerek\u0113tanga ki roto i te pire nei. Kua rangona ng\u0101 taringa o te R\u014Dp\u016B Whiriwhiri i Ng\u0101 Take M\u0101ori i w\u0113tahi k\u014Drero e kaha tautoko nei i te huarahi e wh\u0101ia nei e Ng\u0101ti Rangi, ko \u0113tahi atu he hanga rerek\u0113 ng\u0101 k\u014Drero. N\u0101, ko te \u0101hua nei, i noho ng\u0101tahi a Ng\u0101ti Rangi me te Minita tat\u016B i ng\u0101 ker\u0113me e p\u0101 ana ki te Tiriti o Waitangi; kua \u0101ta k\u014Drero r\u0101tou tahi, ko te \u0101hua nei kua tau ki t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 pire kei mua i te aroaro o Te Whare i te r\u0101 nei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKo \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 take\u2014ehara i te mea hou ki a t\u0101ua te M\u0101ori\u2014e p\u0101 ana ki t\u0113nei pire, he \u0101hua \u014Drite nei ki te nuinga o ng\u0101 pire tat\u016B i ng\u0101 take e p\u0101 ana ki Te Tiriti o Waitangi. Ko \u0113tahi e meangia ana, e h\u0113 ana te k\u014Drero, ko \u0113tahi e mea atu ana n\u014D m\u0101tou k\u0113 te mana motuhake o taua w\u0101hi, o taua kaupapa r\u0101nei; n\u014D reira i te r\u0101 nei kua kite atu ahau ki roto i ng\u0101 tuhinga o te pire nei, ko ng\u0101 wawata o Ng\u0101ti Rangi kua tae mai nei.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EN\u0101, kua whai huarahi an\u014D te Minita m\u014D ng\u0101 take nei ki te \u0101ta whakarongo, me te \u0101ta noho ng\u0101tahi ki w\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 r\u014Dp\u016B e whai p\u0101nga ana ki t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 pire, n\u014D reira i te w\u0101 nei ko Ng\u0101ti Rangi ka noho mai ki runga, e hiahia ana ki te whakatutuki i w\u0101 r\u0101tou k\u014Drero ki roto i t\u0113nei pire. N\u014D reira horekau he k\u014Drero i tua atu i t\u0113nei: ka tautoko m\u0101rika ahau i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero kei roto i te pire, me te hiahia kia anga atu te titiro ki te p\u0101nuitanga tuatoru o t\u0113nei pire, ko reira whakatutuki ai te w\u0101hanga ki t\u0113nei Whare. Me te k\u014Drero an\u014D ki a t\u0101tou e Te Whare: ka mutu te p\u0101nuitanga tuatoru ko reira ka t\u012Bmata ai ng\u0101 mahi ki te whakatutuki i ng\u0101 moemoe\u0101 o r\u0101tou m\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira ki a Ng\u0101ti Rangi, kei konei Te Whare ki te \u0101whina atu i a koutou me t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 wh\u0101inga; m\u014Dhio ana au kei roto i \u014D koutou ringaringa te mana motuhake, te rangatiratanga ki te whakatutuki i aua mahi, heoi an\u014D ko t\u0101 m\u0101tou, hei tautoko, hei tautoko i ng\u0101 wh\u0101inga o Ng\u0101ti Rangi ki roto i ng\u0101 tau kei mua i a t\u0101tou. Ko te hiahia kia \u0101ta tirohia e m\u0101tou te K\u0101wanatanga, e t\u0101tou o Te Whare nei, ng\u0101 t\u016B \u0101huatanga kei roto i ng\u0101 pire p\u0113nei nei n\u0101. Kua k\u014Drero ahau ki w\u0113tahi o aua \u0101huatanga; i k\u014Drero mai te mema, a Harete Hipango i \u0113tahi atu o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero kei roto\u2014ehara i te mea e whakah\u0113 ana engari ko t\u0101ku e hiahia ana kia kite atu i t\u0113tahi atu huarahi kia tutuki pai ai ng\u0101 ker\u0113me o ia iwi, o ng\u0101 hap\u016B puta noa i te motu wh\u0101nui, ka whai p\u0101nga, ka whai mana an\u014D r\u0101tou ki roto i ng\u0101 mahi o t\u0113nei Whare, n\u0101 runga an\u014D hoki i te rangimarie me te hiahia kia tau an\u014D hoki te maung\u0101rongo ki runga i Te Tiriti o Waitangi me ng\u0101 p\u0101nga o te iwi M\u0101ori me te Karauna kei roto i t\u0113r\u0101 t\u016B \u0101huatanga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira ka nui t\u0113nei m\u0101ku. Kua tonoa mai e \u014Dku hoa kia t\u016B au ki te k\u014Drero m\u014D te take nei, n\u014D reira e mihi atu nei ki a t\u0101tou, me te k\u012B atu ki t\u014Dku tuahine nei, te mema m\u014D Te Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti \u0101e, i toa a Ng\u0101 T\u016Bmanako; \u0101e, ka haere mai koutou ki runga i a au o T\u0101maki-makau-rau \u0101 t\u0113r\u0101 atu tau, me te hiahia ko reira an\u014D ka tut\u016B ai te puehu ki runga i te atamira o Te Matatini ki a t\u0101tou e \u014Dku rangatira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. Because some of our colleagues have mentioned me in passing, it is only fitting that I stand to respond to what is being said in our House today. I absolutely support the acknowledgments to Ng\u0101ti Rangi who have arrived at our House in good numbers for the second reading of this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ESome of the members of the House have talked about certain changes, some things that have been amended, in this bill. The M\u0101ori Affairs Committee has listened carefully to submissions that passionately support the direction that Ng\u0101ti Rangi is taking, as well as to those who have a different point of view. It looks as though Ng\u0101ti Rangi has sat down with the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations; they have had good discussions to the point that we now have this bill before the House today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThere are some matters\u2014and this is not new to us, to M\u0101ori\u2014relating to this bill which are just like the majority of bills which pertain to the Treaty of Waitangi. There are those who dispute what is being claimed, who say that they are the rightful claimants of a particular place, of a particular grievance; so today I have found in the text of this bill, that the vision of Ng\u0101ti Rangi is evident.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThe Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations has also with prudence been available to listen to other groups who have an interest in this bill; therefore at this time it is the prerogative of Ng\u0101ti Rangi to promote their ambitions through this bill. Therefore, I have nothing more to add except to say: I absolutely support what is proposed in the bill, along with the wish that it proceed to its third reading and thereby bring to a conclusion the involvement of this House. And let us all be clear in the House: it is only when the third reading has been accomplished that the vision of those long gone, can begin to be realised.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI therefore say to Ng\u0101ti Rangi, the House is here to help you to reach your goals; I know that you have the mandate and the ability to bring this all to fruition, and that our task is to assist, to provide support for Ng\u0101ti Rangi to achieve its aims in the years to come. I trust that the provisions of bills like this are carefully weighed up by the Government, indeed by those of us in this House. I have touched on some of the relevant aspects; the honourable member Harete Hipango has referred to others\u2014it is not that I disagree, but what I would like to see is a way forward which positively facilitates the resolution of claims by iwi and hap\u016B throughout the country, and that they are afforded relevant and authoritative status in the dealings of this House as well as being treated with empathy and a genuine wish for peace to prevail in matters Treaty of Waitangi, as well as in dealings between M\u0101ori and the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThat is enough from me on the matter. My colleagues requested that I speak on this matter, and I therefore greet all of us here. May I just mention to my sister, the member for Te Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti, yes indeed, Ng\u0101 T\u016Bmanako are the champions; yes, you will all descend on T\u0101maki-makau-rau in two years where we expect to once again be thrilled by the Matatini stage. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022 data-id=\u0022fd6136ecd49e42018a2269390d3a3c9e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fd6136ecd49e42018a2269390d3a3c9e\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Madam Assistant Speaker. One of the great privileges in this House is when you get the opportunity to speak on a bill such as this on behalf of your colleague. Ian McKelvie, MP for Rangitikei, would normally be here and speaking but he is not in the House today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223503908d27b74d698734cb592ce2f499\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022209f31f70b5446f0835c2d0933eda957\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER\u003C/span\u003E: I acknowledge that, but I do want to acknowledge his connection to this process. So it has fallen to me to say a few words. I have not been, in any way, close to this journey or process\u2014I am from Tauranga; MP for Bay of Plenty\u2014and as I\u2019ve sat here and listened to the k\u014Drero this afternoon, I have some papers and notes and reflections that you get given. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EMy eyes were drawn to a news article from the Wanganui Chronicle, a couple of days after the deed of settlement was signed, that spoke to some of the events that occurred and, in particular, the comments and obligations of Che Wilson, the lead negotiator, whom I know personally. Our paths have crossed in different lives and different roles, but he is a man of much humility, fortitude, resilience, determination, and optimism. I was reflecting on the comments of the Wanganui Chronicle around how he spoke on that very, very important day and the messages that he imparted not only to his own people but, in my opinion, through them to the wider country. I would just like to reflect and honour them by repeating some of them today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EWhen he stood up, he first gave a snapshot of his people\u2019s trauma during the past 178 years, and we\u2019ve heard elements of that in the fine contributions by those who have spoken before me. He talked of Koro Ruapehu being added to the National Park in 1907; the Public Works Act taking the land around \u014Ch\u0101kune for a rubbish dump, sewerage pond, road, and metal pit; the Karioi forest established by proclamation; waterways surrounding the mountain, 26 of them diverted to add water to the Tongariro power scheme; a piece of their zone 1 becoming the army\u2019s principal bombing range.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EThe Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations\u2014in the spirit of the former Treaty negotiations Minister\u2014stood up and apologised on behalf of the Crown for all of these, and other acts and omissions. But to me what is profoundly revealing about what this country can become was that Che Wilson stood up and said, \u201CWe must allow the apology to heal the pain\u201D. Then he said that this was \u201Ca seedbed for the future\u201D and presented a picture of two members of his iwi in 30 years\u2019 time: \u201CMere and Tane would both have facial moko before they were 21. Tane would be the chief executive of the tribe, and of an inter-iwi investment company. He would travel the world and grow its assets. He would speak four languages, but only M\u0101ori at home with his children. Each wh\u0101nau in the iwi would have people competent in the marae protocol. Marae would be upgraded and added to and relevant to everyday life. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EThe tribe\u2019s papak\u0101inga would be internationally recognised and it would be a world authority on sustainable housing. Ng\u0101ti Rangi would be the hub for an indigenous volcanology centre and help run a world famous mountain park. Wai\u014Duru would grow and become a centre for leadership training. The tribe\u2019s land and water would be healthy, and its households would be warm loving and prosperous\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EThen Che Wilson said that his vision was that the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, by 2048, would be culturally competent and connected to the world. That is not a vision just for Ng\u0101ti Rangi. That, in my opinion, is a vision for this country. And Che Wilson, at a moment of immense humility, gave voice to a vision that we all can reflect on and, hopefully, in our small way, build towards. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u0022cae866efa56f40449b0053875431ad12\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cae866efa56f40449b0053875431ad12\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Associate Minister for M\u0101ori Development):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. Tuatahi, mihi ana ki a koutou Ng\u0101ti Rangi i tae mai nei i t\u0113nei w\u0101 i whakarangatira m\u0101tou i t\u0113nei w\u0101, t\u0113nei te tino mihi ki a koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Firstly, greetings to you, all of Ng\u0101ti Rangi who have come here today and who honour us with your presence, warm greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ECan I just say to the previous speaker, Todd Muller, that was beautiful k\u014Drero, and I acknowledge that type of k\u014Drero that has come out. These types of debates always see the House come together for this type of kaupapa; so I acknowledge that. I get a bit disappointed that not enough of us attend the House in terms of these types of kaupapa\u2014I\u2019m not just talking about the other side, either. I think that it\u2019s an important time to remember our people\u2019s history and our people\u2019s fight for justice and fight for the kaupapa. Can I say there\u2019s been some great k\u014Drero today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI\u2019m not sure if we\u2019ve gone through all the negotiators, so I want to acknowledge those negotiators: first of all, the lawyers, because my great lawyer mate by me said, \u201CDon\u2019t forget those lawyers in the gallery there.\u201D So I\u2019ll start off with those lawyers and say mihi nui to Paranihia Walker and Nathan Milner: \u201CNg\u0101 mihi ki a k\u014Drua.\u201D To our negotiators: it\u2019s a tough job; I know it\u2019s a tough job\u2014Cassandra Reid, Carl Wilson, Toni Waho, Kemp Dryden, Shar Amner; and, of course, the famous or infamous Che Wilson, who has just been getting some wonderful mihis today. I have to ask the question: if he hadn\u2019t spent half of his time trying to destroy M\u0101oris in the Labour Party, I mean how really well would the tribe have done? I mean, he was actually coming after the Speaker. But he does a tremendous job, our Che Wilson, in terms of balancing things out in terms of his own personal political party and, of course, his whakapapa. I mihi to you, brother. I feel like he\u2019s wh\u0101nau to me\u2014his sister\u2019s my receptionist at my marae, and his brother-in-law\u2019s been part of my life for too many years, but lovely to have you along. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI think in these times\u2014there\u2019s no doubt, as I acknowledge Che and the work he\u2019s done, but he would acknowledge too\u2014there\u2019s so many unsung heroes that have been part of that whole process who don\u2019t get the recognition, who don\u2019t get the acknowledgment but are there at your side in support of this type of kaupapa. That means so much to the tribe\u2014means so much to the people. Twenty-eight years of negotiation\u2014my goodness\u2014and at the end of it what do we have? Today, we heard Ronnie Mark. Ronnie said today\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d52169a9072426395581e1494e3f262\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Ron Mark.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f3f6806b3aba4684a48ff6f50427a5eb\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: My apologies, Mr Assistant Speaker. Quite right, the honourable\u2014he\u2019s always been my mate; that\u2019s the problem. The honorary Ronnie Mark over there\u2014that flash title, but the honorary Ronnie Mark talked about the graciousness of our people. So right\u2014so right what the honorary Ronnie Mark talks about. What does that mean? Well, go back to when the Treaty settlement process started, go back to 1996 and Ng\u0101i Tahu, go back to 1996 and Tainui, and understand the loss, at the time, of our people and what that was in economic terms. Well, I\u2019ll tell you what that was in economic terms. That was $18 billion in economic terms\u2014$18 billion of loss was estimated in terms of Ng\u0101i Tahu. And what did they settle on? I\u2019m just trying to remember. I think it was $170 million\u2014$170 million?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229c236aa-2283-4690-9a84-aa865404bb61\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f3ebac5555bd456abe90bf59c4a118c9\u0022\u003ENuk Korako\u003C/span\u003E: Yep.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f12c8ed9799f44848b9fef1c0e007df8\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: It was $170 million. Nuk, you know. See, Nuk\u2019s sitting on the right side today. Nuk always comes to this side when it comes to the kaupapa M\u0101ori stuff.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f82f43f73f524be5840cb733d822b2bb\u0022\u003ETamati Coffey\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s safer here\u2014safer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ca29347e85f47ed957cad2cc6a96e72\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s safer because he knows most of his mates can\u2019t see him because most of them aren\u2019t here, but we know he\u2019s an integral part\u2014the honorary member\u2014of our Labour caucus. So it\u2019s lovely to have Nuk on this side. You know this, though, Nuk\u2014you know, what your people settled on. It was $170 million and the loss was $18 billion, and wider New Zealand doesn\u2019t acknowledge that. Bob M\u0101huta settled\u2014he was the first to settle, and he settled on the same number. Wider New Zealand doesn\u2019t acknowledge that. It\u2019s a travesty that this country has not acknowledged the contribution of Te Ao M\u0101ori in terms of the economic contribution we have made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EM\u0101ori could have bankrupted this country\u2014M\u0101ori could have bankrupted this country, but what we\u2019ve done is we\u2019ve settled, we have been compliant. I know that the people in the audience and those that have been involved, like our good Assistant Speaker Adrian Rurawhe and others here, Kiritapu Allan, they know that at the start of the Treaty settlement process our people were rallying at the marae, \u201CDon\u2019t settle. Don\u2019t be part of this process. You\u2019re selling your people out.\u201D Everywhere they were rallying. Tame Iti was the star of the show. We remember this, but we settled. We got involved because we knew that a little bit was always better than nothing\u2014a little bit was always better than nothing. So I always mihi to our negotiators through this type of process, because I know how hard it is. I know how hard it is when you get called a sell-out. That goes with the territory, and if you can\u2019t handle it, don\u2019t get involved. You\u2019ll get called that in the Treaty settlement process and in the political process, and again I mihi to all of the people who are here and who\u2019ve been involved very much in this process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI just think it\u2019s great that we\u2019re not even at the third reading yet and our people are here to tautoko, to celebrate the efforts in terms of what\u2019s happened. Some parts of this bill\u2014it\u2019s just fantastic: in particular, the roles in terms of governance and management of their taonga and environment, especially decisions relating to the Whangaehu River and management of reserve sites. What a tremendous area\u2014that acknowledgment that has been gained in this area, because this is what we strive for, isn\u2019t it? We don\u2019t want to just be a part of the whole solution; we want to be the solution. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EThis is what all tribes are striving to do around the country: be part of the set-up; work with councils, not be ignored by councils; be part of shaping a city\u2019s destiny, not just the people\u2019s destiny, a whole city\u2019s destiny. I mihi to you, Che and your team, for this type of acknowledgment. And, of course, the commitment to cultural revitalisation through reo: w\u0101nanga, k\u014Dhanga reo, and te kura kaupapa o Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2014that cultural redress in this bill is incredibly important, because the reality is that some of our tribes have been devastated in terms of the loss of Reo M\u0101ori and the loss of identity. It\u2019s been part of that whole process of decolonisation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo this area will be led by our people who are so committed to Te Reo M\u0101ori\u2014and it\u2019s not easy. It\u2019s not easy. I look forward to seeing how the tribe advances this, not just in the rohe, but for me, obviously, in the urban areas where many of their whanaunga have travelled to. How are they going to be incorporated in terms of this whole process? There are so many challenges that the tribe have in front of them, but I mihi to them on this day when they\u2019ve come together to support this bill. We\u2019re just about there, and, as they can see, they have a House that doesn\u2019t come together too often, but we\u2019re so happy that we can come together on kaupapa like this. N\u014D reira he h\u014Dnore nui ki te k\u014Drero ki a t\u0101tou katoa; t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[It has been a great privilege to speak to all here; I greet you, one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002248368df0d4424212bf07ec3adf587d31\u0022\u003EHealth Practitioners Competence Assurance Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00221f4e895b38d14dda87571d8b81df6bbe\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000365\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 13 February.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223fbf2676050e426ba95e965565c8ece3\u0022\u003EPart 1  Amendments to principal Act (continued)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000367\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 190 in the name of the Hon Dr David Clark to Part 1 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000368\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000369\u0022\u003EPart 1 as amended agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e376c3764a9c456aab50a6bda30d1a55\u0022\u003EPart 2 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fdb4cbd5ad61466baa4a4104e3d5c932\u0022\u003ESchedule 1 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a7c610a14ae1455cb23f29f9c5d4a29b\u0022\u003ESchedule 2 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00227f5cdb07f34144b9bb6704119209ec4d\u0022\u003EClause 1 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002211f142617693466699aeb1365f7321ce\u0022\u003EClause 2 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a1885a498e664cb58f05f575990a4cd3\u0022\u003EClause 3 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000376\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000377\u0022\u003EBill reported with amendment.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000378\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224a64f191729848f4a1e96e9ca9431828\u0022\u003ELocal Government Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022577090f4507949a6bcb1d75a3aaeb5ee\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u002215bb1a0e195045d0ada90aa9bb54e953\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002215bb1a0e195045d0ada90aa9bb54e953\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Minister of Employment):\u003C/span\u003E I move that the local government regulatory amendment bill now be read a third time. I\u2019m pleased to bring this bill before the House for its third reading. The bill is of a minor and technical nature\u2014essentially, a repairs and maintenance bill for seven local\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239e8b5cbe9c147e6ab1f18a9a7e0a6a6\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Sorry to interrupt the member. I don\u2019t believe the member has read the name of the bill correctly. Can you read the motion once more.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224842c3ba90344f5c948b4d91cf3974e0\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Assistant Speaker, the Local Electoral Matters Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc72a57bed664948b36f11f434da4ef4\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: No. You need to move it. \u201CI move \u2026\u201D, and it is the Local Government Regulatory\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e03f8fc11094e8796eded22e6a85816\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Systems Amendment Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220e64ca3ba81e4af08304b8680b2ae30d\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. So if you can\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bcfd799bfac242be8c17e35672eda271\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Go from the top? OK. Kia ora, Mr Assistant Speaker. I thought I\u2019d said that at the top. So, Mr Assistant Speaker, I move that the Local Government Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill now be read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002279d677acb3134d7e8ae4035dc8b3664f\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224fcb1d7c8d60468699340f2fa11ccbc5\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Kei te pai? I move, That the Local Government Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EKia ora. Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. I\u2019m pleased to bring this bill before the House for its third reading. The bill is of a minor and technical nature\u2014essentially, a repairs and maintenance bill for seven local government Acts. As such, it can be hard to find time in the parliamentary calendar for such bills, as there are always grander and more urgent matters to attend to than legislative maintenance. This was noted by the Productivity Commission in their 2014 report, Regulatory institutions and practices. They also noted, however, the importance of keeping regulatory systems up to date and fit for purpose. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EMany of the changes in the bill will make local government more accessible to the public and make operation of the legislation by local authorities more efficient. I\u2019d like to again acknowledge and thank the Governance and Administration Committee for their constructive work on this bill. The requirement for local authorities to ensure public notices are published online will make these notices more accessible. Many of us look online in the first instance when we want information. This requirement will reflect the reality of living in a digital world. We have retained the requirement for newspaper notices as this is still an important medium for many of our citizens to find public notices. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve also removed the requirements for a local authority to send hard copies of various documents to the Secretary for Local Government, the Auditor-General, and the Parliamentary Library. These documents include a local authority\u2019s long-term and annual plans, their annual report and summary, and ratings resolutions. These documents will still be publicly available online, but the cost of producing and sending the hard copies is reduced.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EThe new power for the Secretary for Local Government to create rules for the form of documents will ensure digital documents are made in accessible and consistent formats. This will make documents more accessible generally, but particularly for those with visual impairments. The consistency of format will also make it easier for comparison and analysis between documents.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve aligned the definition of \u201Cworking day\u201D in the Local Government Act 2002 and the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987 with the definition of \u201Cworking day\u201D in the Building Act 2004\u2014another minor change, but for those navigating the processes governed by working days, it will make it easier to calculate and more efficient for the local authorities running processes with working day timing requirements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EOne amendment that has garnered interest in the House is the principle to foster substantial and representative participation in local elections. We have inserted the principle into the Local Electoral Act 2001. Local authority chief executives will now be responsible for ensuring this principle is supported leading up to and throughout the electoral cycle. Substantial representation means that the level of participation in a local election is significant enough to be considered reflective of the public will.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ERepresentative participation means that the electoral participation should reflect that diversity and make-up of the electorate in characteristics such as age, cultural background, ethnicity, and economic status. Achieving substantial and representative participation in local elections is a worthy goal, given the impact of local government on everyday life for New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EThis bill is not the largest or most complex bill before the House, but it\u2019s still an important and necessary bill, and so, for the final time, I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u0022d0ea48f268db4691bf9774446e112490\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d0ea48f268db4691bf9774446e112490\u0022\u003EHon JACQUI DEAN (National\u2014Waitaki):\u003C/span\u003E Oh, thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. I\u2019m happy to endorse National\u2019s support of this bill, which is for another excellent piece of work under the previous National Government. It is a tidy-up bill. Regulatory systems bills are just that: a tidy-up bill\u2014modernisation, clarifying some slightly uncertain clauses, perhaps, and just generally tweaking and making smoother and better the process of the various acts that are contained in this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThe Dog Control Act has been talked around a lot, and all that simply does is add a schedule to the Dog Control Act. It sounds simple, but for any new organisation which provides services around disability assist dogs, then having their name added to the Dog Control Act, giving them statutory treatment and protection, is certainly smoothing out that process, because otherwise they would endlessly have to come back to the House by way of an amendment bill, which is a much more clunky process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EIn a nutshell, I guess that is the benefit of a regulatory systems amendment bill: the House can consider and select committee can consider a number of statutes. If I just very quickly\u2014I\u2019m not going to go through them all, but the Local Government Act is amended in a couple of iterations, the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act is amended, the Local Government (Rating) Act is amended, and so on. We are very happy to support this bill and very happy to commend the bill at its third reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u002222d6430887a548bb947b142ae925dfb8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002222d6430887a548bb947b142ae925dfb8\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Assistant Speaker, and thank you again for this opportunity to speak at the third reading of this bill. The previous speakers have already talked about what seems to be the rather mundane nature of this bill, and it has been fleshed out over the course of this bill\u2014the true impact, if you like, that these relatively minor changes can have in a community. One in particular, and I know it was mentioned only very briefly in the two contributions before mine, is, of course, the fostering of participation in local elections. I think that of all of the parts in this particular bill\u2014and there are several parts\u2014this one in particular is the one that gives me the most excitement. Why? It\u2019s because as Minister for Youth, this is the common theme that comes through my office: how do we engage our young people in civics?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWe also heard it from those with disabilities who struggle to simply participate, whether it be as a candidate or someone who wants to simply come along to a rally, to engage in a debate or in a political rally. They find they are left out. Now, while it may sound rather mundane and minor in making such a change, I think another clear part that I like about this particular clause\u2014clause 10\u2014is that, actually, there is a line of accountability for this particular task. I know some people think that it should be the task of those like the Electoral Office or the Electoral Commission to make sure that people are far more engaged in this space, but this one clearly says that there is a responsibility upon the council\u2014namely, the secretary of the said council\u2014whereby there is an accountability there. It\u2019s easy to say something, but, actually, to follow it up and make sure that there\u2019s an accountability there is, I think, an important part\u2014one that gives confidence to those who wish to participate in this particular process\u2014because without that, then it\u2019s simply just words on paper. It\u2019s simply just words that mean well but actually have no follow-through. Really, of all of the clauses, that\u2019s the one in particular that I really endorse in my contribution today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI mentioned it in another part of the process that this bill has travelled on, whereby a select committee has heard the submission by Mojo Mathers about the barriers that are confronted by those with disabilities who wish to participate in electoral matters, in local government matters, in central government matters. The submissions on that particular bill were absolutely astounding. I don\u2019t say that in jest or lightly, because as an able-bodied person and someone who\u2019s been able to fully participate in Government matters locally and centrally, we take that for granted. We really do. The fact that, if I recall correctly, in the last election\u2014and I ask your forbearance for this minor digression. I was thinking about some of the debates that were entered into and scheduled for candidates running. Six of the 10 debates were held at a venue with stairs\u2014no other access for the disabled community. We take it for granted that I got there and thought I was talking to constituents and locals about matters that related to them, and now, upon reflection, I realise just how poor that process was.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ESo while it might sound like I\u2019m going on about this particular bill, it is a very important one, as I\u2019ve already mentioned. It is important. Some of the other matters that are covered by this particular bill, which have already been canvassed, are, of course, the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a451f6ab763448909c0b23393eb6600d\u0022\u003EHon Jacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s the matter\u2014doesn\u2019t this Government have much business?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002269dfa045cfae4191b9b6e8ef839828b9\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019d like to thank that member for that interjection, because she\u2019s going to see very soon that this House and this Government are going to deliver on what the people of this country have been waiting for. I don\u2019t say that lightly, because they waited for nine years, and what did they get? What did they get? They got deficits\u2014they got deficits. In fact, if there\u2019s one thing that the last Government can claim, it\u2019s to open the Waterview Tunnel. What a joke, because that started under the Labour Government. So, you know, it\u2019s instances like that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022382323f9c5804edc9b6f7a2883c6d4ce\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! I encourage the honourable Minister to come back to the bill. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257988717e3f24f43a7615ac0817126ac\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. Look, some of the other matters that are covered in here\u2014and while that side might laugh at how mundane they are, indeed, the fact is that you can make a public notice far more accessible and far more transparent to those who see it relevant. While that side, being cast in the Stone Age, have only read notices in the paper\u2014well, the world has moved on. Papers aren\u2019t the only way that people receive public notices. In fact, the readership is declining, which probably works in favour of the National Party, actually, because it stops people from getting involved, but I digress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI think that particular clause 2 around public notices and allowing a far wider reach in terms of service of public notices\u2014and it also tidies up some of the language in there\u2014is a step in the right direction. As the father of a 22-year-old son\u2014and I\u2019ve mentioned him several times in the House now. If the notice was posted on Fortnite or on PlayStation 4, he would probably read it. So there were questions as the process of this bill was going through the House about \u201CWell, what kind of platform are we trying to talk about?\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228171bfab65af4a9f85d598caec78bcbf\u0022\u003EHon Andrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: It can\u2019t be brand-specific, though.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022945217abf79f4458805018e1cdc2adf1\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha! No, that\u2019s right. But the internet, more broadly speaking, is one pathway to do that, but we\u2019ve also got to remember, too\u2014and I\u2019m going to give away a secret to the members on the other side of the House: if you go on to a gaming forum for Medal of Honour, you can speak to approximately 3,500 New Zealand gamers on a Sunday afternoon. That\u2019s what I do. They engage with me, and they all vote in local body elections. I\u2019ll be one to make sure that I actually share the public notices and encourage them to get involved in local government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5091320c2c049ddb3d801f78a8a5ec6\u0022\u003EHon Ron Mark\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s your gamer tag?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022faf1a3bdd27d4f989573f460f0c2d405\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: I can\u2019t give that away; there would be too many friend adds\u2014probably from that side of the House! But it goes to the purpose of defining what \u201Cinternet\u201D is and exactly how we access the public and share these public notices. It\u2019s easy to say \u201Cthe internet\u201D, but the PlayStation 4 is one of those things. Gaming online, on the internet\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d93f72e1e954459a067f1cb2c82e44f\u0022\u003EHon Jacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: That member is talking far too much about PlayStations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dcc6b0ad64584cb58bbd7c9e6a882a60\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: If that member would like to challenge me on the PlayStation 4, I\u2019m up for it. Look\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abdd890966ca445596462477c958157c\u0022\u003EHon Jacqui Dean\u003C/span\u003E: I haven\u2019t got the time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cfe0c5e07a3f46dc8cb35d381d829049\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: I wonder if she knows what a PlayStation 4 is. Actually, she probably still uses an iPhone 1, but I digress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThe public notice clause is a particularly good one. One of the other ones, and it was mentioned in the debate as the progress of this bill went through the House, was, of course, the good work by the Hon Ruth Dyson around the rates rebate. We want to acknowledge her not just for her contribution in this particular bill but, of course, for her contribution throughout her entire career.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EJust for the record, my gaming tag is \u201CRekless\u201D\u2014R-E-K-L-E-S-S\u2014\u201C_Hua\u201D\u2014H-U-A. Add me up and I\u2019ll beat any other National Party member, like I did in the 2017 election.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EIt is my duty, indeed, as somebody who sat through many of the submissions, to thank the Governance and Administration Committee for their work on this particular bill. Since I\u2019ve been digressing into the realm of the internet and PlayStation 4, this Saturday is the first M\u0101ori Fortnite gaming platform. This Saturday in T\u0101maki-makau-rau, any of the members of this House\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022800ab9b2d4204793af666714a2d55719\u0022\u003ETim van de Molen\u003C/span\u003E: At least have a go at talking about the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e22dabe464384857b3110118b14f4697\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: This is relevant to the interjections from that side of the House, which I understand are fair game, the last time I checked. This is an awesome way to connect with young people. Bringing it back to the bill: Fortnite on Saturday\u2014all the M\u0101oris join up. There\u2019s $10,000 to be won. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022 data-id=\u0022cd9d0d67008644f48c0ca4b4ecda8e51\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cd9d0d67008644f48c0ca4b4ecda8e51\u0022\u003EBRETT HUDSON (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a8d12ac2f854041a05d12b90d2b3cb4\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Hudson, I hand the challenge to you now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cab77a6010f24570ab2e2a67d2332c70\u0022\u003EBRETT HUDSON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, Peeni Henare, the speaker that has just resumed his seat, has just told the House that he\u2019s reckless. Well, I just want to point out that that simply makes him completely representative of the Government. Now, this bill makes some simple changes, whether it\u2019s around dog control, encouraging participation in local government elections, or fixing the mix-up, the mess, that the member when she was a member of the Opposition made of their rates rebate bill when they finally made it into Government. We are just fixing up that little mess. The bill makes small but important changes, and we support it. Because we support it, there is little point in us taking up a great deal of the House\u2019s time. If the Government members wish to filibuster this bill, as they did all of the bills last night, then let them. It is simply a reflection of their lack of confidence in their own Government and the changes they are seeking to make. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u0022ab4ea5ecc42b4d6e94b1755cc06426a0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ab4ea5ecc42b4d6e94b1755cc06426a0\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK (Minister of Defence):\u003C/span\u003E Madam Assistant Speaker, thank you very much for the opportunity to rise and speak to this amazing bill, the Local Government Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill. I say amazing\u2014and deserving of full and complete explanation and discussion\u2014because it was indeed a bill that commenced under the steerage of, one, the Hon Anne Tolley, as I understand, and another member who\u2019s sitting in the Opposition benches, who really should take the opportunity to speak in fullness to this bill\u2014another person who also was heavily involved in the groundwork for this bill, and I refer to the Hon Jacqui Dean, who\u2019s sitting over there. I know that she dedicated most of last term to this work, and the studiousness and the diligence that she put into it is reflected in every word of this bill. It is therefore only befitting that we acknowledge the sterling work of the Hon Anne Tolley and Jacqui Dean, both of the National Party and former members who held ministerial positions in the last administration\u2014to actually stand up and take some credit for this stunning piece of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EOf course, like a lot of things that the National Government started, they never quite got stuff finished, and then there was, of course, the stuff they got finished that we wish they\u2019d never ever started, but that\u2019s another whole topic, and I won\u2019t even go into the housing problem, will I.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267b93ae7bbc14767b867540dd78aca9f\u0022\u003EMaureen Pugh\u003C/span\u003E: Lucky. Otherwise you\u2019d have nothing to talk about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2da952e21894726b46ba499f822de23\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: But this piece of legislation never\u2014and Maureen Pugh, from the National Party, is another erstwhile colleague and friend of mine from the local government family, our local government whanaunga of former mayors. There have been a few former mayors in this House, and I know that Lawrence Yule also\u2014not just a former mayor but also a former president of the Local Government New Zealand\u2014has a great interest in this piece of legislation. No doubt his fingerprints are on the back of every page here, because this bill deals to the things that Lawrence Yule had to contend with when he was the president for, I think, about three terms of Local Government New Zealand. Of course, then there was the other National Party member in the last Government\u2019s ranks: Jonathan Naylor, mayor of Palmerston North at that time. I actually take with some pride the fact that there are so many members of Parliament across the House who have local government experience and have been able to in some way, shape, or form contribute to pieces of local government legislation that have gone through. It does actually beg the question how the heck did Nick Smith ever get the job as Minister for Local Government, because most of what that member did was\u2014he never seemed to have much involvement here. It was a bit of a disaster.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235e03dfe8bad4d6b9c0cec179f01813f\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll just remind the Minister to make sure he will call the member by his full and proper name. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6fd5bd49044497abe0eb18a024e8c89\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Nick Smith\u2014yes, of course. As I cast my mind back through local government legislation such as this\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f279b4c89d6f4cc0914eeb007dac522d\u0022\u003ETim van de Molen\u003C/span\u003E: Stop talking to the bill\u2014get to PlayStations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf9bcde978534e18aed3226a8555554c\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and I notice that this is the third reading\u2014yes, young man. I can\u2019t remember your name, but I\u2019ll just say I will get to this point. But it is worth acknowledging the sterling effort of people behind the scenes, not just Jacqui Dean and Anne Tolley but also David Carter, who was a Minister of Local Government; Chris Tremain\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223322db28f3b04b07be56db770f4126f3\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: All three members, who have titles. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d215236e7ba7402b833082b9d916968c\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014the Hon Chris Tremain; the Rt Hon David Carter; and there have been a couple of others in there as well who have all held the local government portfolio. Yet it took until the Hon Anne Tolley came to the seat that these issues, which are technical by nature and small when some people look at them but are actually important\u2014let\u2019s take one. Let\u2019s talk about the areas that my erstwhile colleague, the Hon Peeni Henare, was speaking of, where the changes that have been made with respect to public notices are a small thing, one what might suggest, but if we look at how technology and media and the means by which we communicate have changed, I guess it does stand out that it took the Hon Anne Tolley and her coming into the job to recognise that local government needed to change the way in which it communicated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EIf we look at the issues that come before local government\u2014and Maureen Pugh and I know this, as former mayors\u2014everything that we\u2019re meant to do in local government, almost everything, has to be publicly notified, and sometimes that\u2019s a very expensive exercise for very little feedback. We would often lament that publically notifying our annual plan, or the long-term plan, or even that great, wondrous 35-year plan that got inflicted on us by the Hon Nick Smith in his reforms when he took all the well-beings out and left us with that\u2014one would advertise them in the conventional way that was required by the Act, by public notice, not acknowledging the large numbers of New Zealanders who don\u2019t read the newspaper.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EThey might read the front cover. They might skim through the sports section in the back. They might look at the births and deaths. But do they wade through the New Zealand Herald looking at every public notification, particularly those from the local councils? No. They do not. They probably\u2014if they read the courts columns\u2014are looking at their devices, and they\u2019re taking advertisements that are popping up there, maybe when they\u2019re trying to play solitaire. Or maybe when they are on their Xbox or their 360\u2014and it\u2019s interesting to know that the Hon Peeni Henare has noticed the same thing I\u2019ve noticed when I\u2019m gaming. When I\u2019m gaming I see advertisements all the time coming up on Xbox, coming up on\u2014I don\u2019t have a PS4.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003ESo if one wants to reach into the youth stream, why would one not communicate through the mediums that young people are utilising day to day, and some of them for many, many hours on end? I have to wonder, as a former mayor, how much reach I would have had with the youth when I was trying to encourage young people to stand for local government. How much more reach might I have gained if we\u2019d been able to access other media or been required to put our notices out through other means and through digital means? I think this is probably a very understated change but a very important and very significant one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EIntroducing a definition of the internet site into the Local Government Act so that council websites are placed where the public can find them\u2014these are important things. But giving that opportunity to use the power of the internet and the power of other mediums is extremely important. I\u2019ve got to congratulate the Governance and Administration Committee team for putting so much work in behind that. The giving of powers to looking at the Local Electoral Act and recognising\u2014and by the way, the Hon Peeni Henare, if you\u2019re listening, my gamer tag is Norkram2. Norkram is actually \u201CRon Mark\u201D spelt backwards, if you forget that, but I\u2019ll look for you next time, and maybe we can publish some public notices there for local government in the time it takes us to get Royal assent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EBut the Local Electoral Act\u2014putting the responsibility with the chief executives rather than the electoral officers to try and facilitate and foster greater electoral participation I think is a very, very smart move. I congratulate the Minister of Local Government, the former Minister, the Hon Anne Tolley, and the select committee for their wisdom in reaching into that space and recognising that, actually, often the electoral office doesn\u2019t have the same vested interest or focus as chief executives. Putting the responsibility with the chief executives makes it apolitical, and it is the chief executive who has the continuity\u2014some people come and go, but generally chief executives don\u2019t. By putting it with chief executives, I think you\u2019re going to get a higher level of conversation at the New Zealand Society of Local Government Managers (SOLGM) conferences when they start discussing how they might do this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EIt is an important thing to recognise that we have to encourage more participation in local government. We have to encourage a higher level of voting. I think that the current voting patterns\u2014particularly in metropolitan New Zealand\u2014in local government are, astonishingly and sadly, very low. They tend to be higher in rural and provincial areas. Maybe it\u2019s because in rural and provincial areas, people take a greater interest in what\u2019s happening in their infrastructure than the metropolitan areas do\u2014I don\u2019t know. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EBut the fact that the responsibility will rest and lie with the chief executives is, we in New Zealand First think, a very, very good thing. It\u2019s a smart move, and the members of the committee and the Minister of Local Government, the Hon Nanaia Mahuta, should be congratulated, and I have to acknowledge the Hon Anne Tolley for moving the legislation in this direction. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EEnough from me. I think it\u2019s a great piece of legislation, and it\u2019s very good to see it moving through the House. But I do hope that the National Party speakers from hence on in give it the credit and the respect that it\u2019s due\u2014particularly for Jacqui Dean and the Hon Anne Tolley. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022 data-id=\u0022af4a94e0b4c94899a37013b0bcdf76ea\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022af4a94e0b4c94899a37013b0bcdf76ea\u0022\u003EDr JIAN YANG (National):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m pleased with the progress of the Local Government Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill. I would like, firstly, to thank the members on the Governance and Administration Committee. My colleagues worked very hard. Although some of them may be very good at gaming, nevertheless, they worked hard. Particularly, I would like to thank the chair, Mr Brett Hudson, for his leadership and outstanding work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003ESo this is not a major policy bill. Nevertheless, it\u2019s a very important bill, simply because such bills are important vehicles for us to improve and update our government regulatory regimes. As I said before, New Zealand has a very large and complex regulatory sector made up of 200 or so regulatory regimes, and these regimes, of course, need to evolve along with the development of technology, democracy, ethics, or the society as a whole. So we need to keep updating and improving such regimes, and such bills would be really good to do that. Outdated and poorly conceived regulations can create unnecessary costs, complexity, and ambiguity, and then they would create problems for our regulators and regulatory bodies. So we need to keep updating and improving our regulations to make sure that they serve our public interest. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003EThe select committee made a number of changes. I mentioned some of them in a previous speech at the second reading, and so there are many other good changes. I will not delve into those changes; I am here simply to commend the bill to the House. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u00222309264beee4412da8dbed81f869b656\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222309264beee4412da8dbed81f869b656\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. I rise to take a call on behalf of the Green Party in the third reading of the Local Government Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill. As has been stated, this is an omnibus bill that will make minor and technical changes to the legislative framework that councils operate under. It\u2019s possibly not the most interesting bill for people listening\u2014I\u2019m looking at the faces of the people in the gallery\u2014but we have had people make the connection to gaming, so it\u2019s amazing what can be brought into a debate on something that\u2019s minor and technical. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI will do my best\u2014I can\u2019t promise it will be interesting\u2014to go through some of the points that are covered by this legislation. It was started by the last Government, I understand, and it has been considered by the Government and Administration Committee. It amends seven principal local government Acts, which are all administered by the Department of Internal Affairs. The select committee made some amendments to the bill that have been confirmed by this House, and some of the points in it are that it makes changes to the Dog Control Act. I understand, from a previous speaker, that it extends to organisations that weren\u2019t listed and covered by that. But also what I found a little more interesting was that it requires local authorities to make reports publicly available on the number of registered dogs and dog-related complaints received and prosecutions taken. Those reports have been required to be compiled before, but they\u2019ve pretty much been kept in-house, and so this bill requires councils to make those reports public. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EPersonally, as somebody who has a concern for animal welfare and who believes that the conversation around how we care for our animals is a really important conversation, I welcome that information being put into the public sphere so that the communities can actually find out if there\u2019s a real problem in a particular community and start engaging in how they can be part of the solution. You know, as part of the Green Party, we have a lot of passionate members right throughout the country who care a huge amount about animal welfare, who would really welcome that information to be able to help care for our animals in the community. So that\u2019s welcome. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EAnother thing, which has had a little bit of discussion, or possibly quite a bit of conversation, actually, considering the significance, in the bill\u2014but it is actually significant\u2014is that it requires the chief executive of the local authority to be responsible for facilitating and fostering representative and substantial electoral participation. When we know that we have a real issue with declining participation at a local government level, which undermines the legitimacy of local government when it\u2019s a minority, in some areas, of people who are voting of those who are eligible, it raises questions about the legitimacy of the representation at a community level. So it is really, really important that we do more to actually make sure that people understand the importance of the decisions that local government makes and that they understand how our democracy operates at that level. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI was having a conversation with some people recently and letting them know that they can contact their local councillors. If they\u2019ve contacted their council to complain about something and they haven\u2019t had a response that they\u2019re happy with, actually, part of the role of their local councillor is that they can contact their local councillor and say \u201CHey, look. I was in contact with this person about the rubbish all over my neighbourhood. I haven\u2019t heard anything back.\u201D, and they can intervene on their behalf. So it\u2019s about kind of making decisions to represent the community, but it\u2019s also to have your advocate to make sure that the things that need to happen in your community can get done. These people had no idea that that was part of the job of their local councillor. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ESo I think we\u2019ve got so much more work to do to help people understand the role of local government and how it all works, and even when it comes to elections\u2014and I\u2019ll own up to this. In years past, when I\u2019ve looked at voting at a local government level, I\u2019ve really struggled at times to know where to go to find out information about the candidates and to know if, actually, I think they would be a good representative for me or not, and I\u2019ve kind of gone through those booklets that they have and they put out, where there\u2019s a little photo of somebody and they\u2019ve written maybe 100 to 150 words. That\u2019s been my experience of their accessible information, and it\u2019s not enough to go on. I\u2019ve looked for key words. If somebody\u2019s said \u201Cgreen\u201D, I\u2019m like \u201CYeah, OK.\u201D, but who knows? There\u2019s lots of different definitions of \u201Cgreen\u201D, as we\u2019ve heard from the other side of the House\u2014\u201Cgreen\u201D and \u201Cwashing\u201D do tend to go together at times. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ESo I really think this provision is really important. There is so much more that we can do to help make it easier for people to find out who the people standing are and to understand what they\u2019re offering for their council, and to help get that out into a range of different communities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022696da891b4c74d24a263f8b9221684f0\u0022\u003EHon Ron Mark\u003C/span\u003E: How can 48 percent of the population determine the direction? That\u2019s the turnout. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d43f8ecf76b04ea8ba35d3a6c5f464d9\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, exactly. For there to be real legitimacy, we want a majority. We want it, actually, to be as many people as possible, as close to 100 percent of people who are engaging in this and have the ability to be represented and have their voice heard in the local government process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EWhat I would also mention with this is that it\u2019s particularly important for communities who\u2014often in our democratic processes, there are some people who know how to use the systems a little bit more. There are quite a few reports that talk about the squeaky wheel, and they tend to be a certain group of ratepayers who are quite comfortable with speaking up and writing letters; and the writing letters bit may indicate the age group that we\u2019re talking about. We need to go broader than that. Their voices are important, but it should be a voice amongst others. So the Green Party very definitely supports this provision in this bill to actually make sure that more work is done to facilitate and foster representative and substantial electoral participation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EAnother change I will touch on in this bill which is, I think, worth noting is that it makes a change to the Rates Rebate Act. I\u2019ll also add my voice of acknowledging the work of Ruth Dyson, previously, on making changes to that legislation that were very important in updating it and making sure that it worked fairly for all people who should be eligible for it. So what this bill does, though, is it ensures that recipients on main benefits\u2014New Zealand superannuation or the veterans pension\u2014who are entitled to receive a winter energy payment under the Families Package\u2014that this isn\u2019t counted as income when it comes to considering their rates rebates, so that their rates rebate isn\u2019t cut because they get that payment. So this is, in effect, another way of ensuring that the value of that winter energy payment is maintained and not reduced through its interaction with the Rates Rebate Scheme. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EWe know that the issues of poverty for people on welfare are very, very real challenges for us as a country to do more in reducing and taking responsibility for ultimately eliminating the poverty felt by those people who are trapped in unfair situations at the moment. So this is not enough, obviously, and neither was the winter energy payment. We have a lot more work to do, but it is important to maintain the value of that. On that note, we support this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022 data-id=\u0022fa44e385f80e4fc18bea4cd98ca3b17c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fa44e385f80e4fc18bea4cd98ca3b17c\u0022\u003EKANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker, and it\u2019s my pleasure to stand in support of the Local Government Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill. There were many passionate speeches today in the House. In particular, I would like to acknowledge the Hon Ron Mark for his speech and his passion about local government. His 10-minute speech was totally dedicated to the local government. I think he is very passionate about it, and local government elections are around the corner. In his role as Minister for Veterans, he did not touch upon Part 7 of this bill, which says about the winter energy payment, and he did not mention it\u2014this was a little bit disappointing. Before I conclude, I would like to suggest the honourable Minister\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9ae908ec6794a9dbe71a3149ecb0dc4\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: You only just started!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225d205348e66549ebabe1b726293df820\u0022\u003EKANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, yeah. We are going to support this bill. We are not filibustering like you people are doing. So you have to consider this. So, the Hon Ron Mark, I have got a suggestion for you: local government elections are around the corner; I think you should go back to the Wairarapa and take a role over there. Leave this role. This is not for you. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022da739b35cb3c402f8293b33d5b694a16\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022da739b35cb3c402f8293b33d5b694a16\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: This is a split call\u2014five minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022 data-id=\u00220795c86c6f2f410f8c09853eb2a74144\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220795c86c6f2f410f8c09853eb2a74144\u0022\u003EPAUL EAGLE (Labour\u2014Rongotai):\u003C/span\u003E Well, thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. It\u2019s always a pleasure to talk about local government, particularly on a Thursday afternoon just before the break. Who said this bill is about repairs and maintenance? This is probably the most important bill we\u2019ll see this year, no doubt. There\u2019ll be other more important ones, but that\u2019ll be next week.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003ESo this will be the hour of delivery for local government. There we are. But look, let\u2019s get serious, because it is local government, and local government is very serious, as many of my colleagues in this House will attest to. Can I just say: look at some of the wonderful things that we\u2019ll be resolving in this bill. One of the things I most like is the way I believe that this bill will ensure much greater turnout. Well, it will go to some extent to ensure a much better than 40 percent turnout. I know, after running in three elections myself, that one of the most disappointing things is that despite a whole lot of different things that the electoral officer would do, it still wouldn\u2019t produce a turnout of more than roughly 40 percent\u2014and that\u2019s in an educated, urban metro like Wellington. That meant that something\u2019s not quite right, if decent Wellingtonians are saying there\u2019s something not quite right here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003EMy Green colleague, Jan Logie, who spoke before certainly mentioned some of the issues, because, when you get the material, you\u2019re suddenly faced with the reality of saying, \u201CLook, we\u2019ve got these ward councillors, we\u2019ve got regional councillors, we\u2019ve got district health board members, and, of course, we\u2019ve got a mayor to vote for.\u201D You\u2019ve got so many choices to make. You may never have met any of them. So ensuring that a better marketing campaign or better promotional effort goes on will go some way to ensuring that at least residents and citizens\u2014because, look, when things go wrong, they\u2019re certainly not shy to express their views. But sometimes they get a little bit\u2014uh, what\u2019s the word? I\u2019ll attack it from another angle. Sometimes they just are simply overwhelmed when they go into\u2014in fact, they don\u2019t even go into booths. They have to open up an envelope. They get the material. They look through that booklet and they go, \u201CWho and what are we going to vote for?\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c1113fece6443a0948cf8ca69d87789\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Not this time. They\u2019ll be voting on the buses.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a2a9f199d2fe480bb1a923d9d0c2db27\u0022\u003EPAUL EAGLE\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, did I hear buses?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002262f0f1423a3b4e8e93ac29459675e23f\u0022\u003EHon Andrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: Not when they look at your photo, Paul.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229cb45ad7b6174ca8a50c0332ecb62a29\u0022\u003EPAUL EAGLE\u003C/span\u003E: But look\u2014absolutely. The Minister points out, when they used to see the Eagle on there, they used to think, \u201COh, there\u2019s a handsome man. We\u2019ll vote for him.\u201D But being handsome is not the only thing that will get you votes. That\u2019s correct, but you do have to ensure that you are going to stand for something. I don\u2019t want to digress too much, because it is important to know that at least there\u2019ll be some boost there, hopefully, in the voting numbers for the local elections this year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003EThe other thing that this will go some way to resolving is the production of various reports, and making sure that now great effort goes into producing those statutory documents\u2014the draft annual plan, the annual report\u2014and to ensure that those documents now\u2014and they are a telephone book in size. Not the Wellington telephone book though, because it\u2019s quite a large document. But it\u2019s none the less a document that costs money. There are certain places that it must be sent to, and certain entities must receive them, but this time a PDF document will be fine. So using the internet is better for those documents and for other communication there. I mentioned the other day that even advising of an extraordinary or an emergency meeting can now be done in a different way too, via the internet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003ESo this, as I said, is probably the most important bill, I believe, in the last hour. It\u2019s certainly the hour of action, as I\u2019ve said before. I commend this bill to the House. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022 data-id=\u0022e053fddb113f492084c655e33f0d15bf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e053fddb113f492084c655e33f0d15bf\u0022\u003EDENISE LEE (National\u2014Maungakiekie):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. I really appreciate the chance to give a short call on the Local Government Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill and appreciate the contribution of the last member, Paul Eagle. He probably deserves to have put in Hansard one more time that he called himself a handsome man. I think that\u2019s what took place. I\u2019m not sure.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003EI think he might recall, the previous speaker, that it was myself\u2014have others used the term \u201Crepairs and maintenance\u201D? Because that\u2019s exactly what we\u2019re doing, which is why we need to pass this bill and get on to hearing more Government members, who are not taking up their full allocation of speaking, for reasons which are surprising and unbeknownst to us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003ESo what I would like to do is commend the bill and then highlight one particular part that I did in the second reading following the select committee process. It was a curiosity to me, and it was simply that there\u2019s a lot of talk about online digital access, but the Governance and Administration Committee felt that they should get down to the details of what should be published in a good old-fashioned newspaper. So I\u2019m going to use this chance to do a shout-out for good old-fashioned printed newspapers, and the fact that the committee wanted to talk about getting plain language into the subject matter of a newspaper print-out and that they wanted a reference source for more detailed information. So that\u2019s the type of fantastic contributions that the select committee made to this bill, and for that and many other reasons\u2014not least that National began this bill\u2014I support this bill and so does the National Party. Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022 data-id=\u00229b163d05698545e1bf5e57457e929b71\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229b163d05698545e1bf5e57457e929b71\u0022\u003EGINNY ANDERSEN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Assistant Speaker, for the opportunity to speak on this excellent bill, the Local Government Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill. It is surprising that we don\u2019t see the members opposite wanting to engage in debate on such a fascinating bill, because it goes right to the heart of the purpose of democracy at local government level: people participating in their communities, people being engaged with what\u2019s going on around them, and people being represented in a way that reflects the diversity of New Zealand society. It is very surprising and quite alarming that we do not have members opposite prepared to contribute on a lively and interesting debate in this space. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EWe have lots of issues at local government, and what I find particularly interesting is that while the average person you speak to in the community really cares about local issues\u2014it is the rubbish collection, the speed humps, those sorts of things that are happening in your backyard; dog control is another one this bill touches on that always really concerns the constituents I speak to regularly\u2014there is something strange going on, because the level of the care factor of local issues is high compared to national ones, but the turnout in local government elections is low, and that indicates that there is something wrong going on in this space, in that we have 40 percent, or even lower in some regions, of people turning out to vote in their elections. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003ESo it is heartening to see that this bill provides specific responsibility to chief executive officers to encourage people to vote and to think about the strategy they will be developing within the area to make sure that they are reaching out and making people aware that there is a local government election going on and also\u2014the point that the good member Jan Logie has already made\u2014who the candidates are. It\u2019s very difficult to get information on who the candidates are. There is one booklet put out often and sometimes that information\u2019s not online. So I look forward to this bill encouraging those chief executive officers to be able to look at new ways of giving greater information about them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EI think when there is greater information and greater participation we will see an increased level of diversity in our local government representation. No offence, but the vast majority of local government representation is alarmingly pale, male, and stale, and we need to move beyond that. We need to have representation that is reflective of our communities, and, in particular, M\u0101ori, Pasifika, and youth are the three areas that we really need to concentrate on having greater representation. I am quite encouraged to see tomorrow\u2014we\u2019ve been notified and made clear\u2014that there will be school students who are prepared to strike in terms of their concerns around climate change. While this Government is taking some very good actions in that space to make sure we are ahead of the pack, what\u2019s important is that young people are thinking about how they can be more engaged in issues that affect their lives, and this is good in the sense that we might see increased participation in areas that are so important to the future of New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EWhat we also need to think about is how we can encourage community engagement. In my own area in Hutt South, for example, we\u2019ve got a significant issue happening and we\u2019ve had really low turnout in terms of that engagement. The P\u0113tone library is proposed to be bulldozed or knocked down and redeveloped by putting the library in the bottom and on top 52 apartments. Some of those apartments are one bedroom with no windows, and that doesn\u2019t seem to be the best possible model for the community. There are far greater models out there that I\u2019m sure that they will be far more interested in looking at. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EBut the problem is that the level of community turnout to the engagement meetings that have been facilitated by the P\u0113tone Community Board have been quite low, and it would be good to see more people getting engaged in that space, because I\u2019ve always believed that if we get more people interested in local issues and engaged in local issues then it increases the good opportunities within our communities and the facilities that people use. So I\u2019m pleased to see that this bill really focuses on fostering that participation in local government elections. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EOne of the other very good areas that this bill looks at is, of course, the Rates Rebate Act\u2014and it has already been mentioned, the excellent work that the Hon Ruth Dyson has covered in this space. What her work covered was ensuring those that were in residential homes were also able to access the rates rebate, because previously that was not available. But what this legislation does is it makes sure that those who get the New Zealand superannuation and the veterans pension, who get that winter energy payment put through by this coalition Government, are able to have that taken into account when assessing the eligibility for a rates rebate. It would have meant that if that was taken into account, some recipients would have had a rates rebate that would have been unfairly reduced. It was considered and agreed to that this was an unintended consequence, and the recommended insertion into this piece of legislation is that it would exclude the winter energy payment from the definition of income when assessing that eligibility for a rates rebate under the Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EI personally have seen a good number of people coming into my office to personally say thank you for the additional money over that period of the wintertime. Those people are retired, and so it\u2019s really heartening to see that that additional money won\u2019t come\u2014and I had someone come in to me, actually, this week, someone with a hearing disability, and they own their own home, they live in the Hutt, but their rates have been going up, and they really felt that they\u2019ve been struggling to meet payments, struggling to be able to afford the bills that they receive as rates have gone up. The one comment I did say was, \u201CWell, do you get your winter energy payment?\u201D, and they agreed that they would probably not have been able to meet a number of bills coming through without that additional money, starting a month earlier this year, over the winter period. So it is really good to see that this bill takes into account the difficult circumstances that some of the people who are on a fixed income have to deal with when there are increasing inflation costs associated with owning a home and being retired. To take that into account is fantastic.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003ESo the other area that I\u2019d like to touch on before concluding is that it looks at really making sure that this Act lines up with the other key areas in other bills, and we want to make sure that there is a balance right across all the Acts in terms of the terminology and the references. So one in particular that has been of concern that this bill rectifies is the definition of \u201Cworking day\u201D, which occurs in section 5 of the Local Government Act. There have been some differences in what a working day would be, and it\u2019s important that there is consistency across all those pieces of legislation to avoid confusion. So it is good to see that that is happening. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EThe last area which is really good\u2014and I know my learned colleague Jamie Strange gave an excellent speech that pointed out the importance of the Dog Control Act 1996, and this bill does some great work in that space to make sure that there\u2019s public notification of a lot of those notices that go on. There can be some real big concerns in communities in terms of incurring costs and in terms of having to have their dogs licensed, and for ongoing issues in that space. This piece of legislation states that it must be publicly notified that a report has been prepared and adopted, and also a copy must be given to the Secretary for Local Government. Local authorities have not been required, in the past, to make that publicly available, so for those people that are concerned about the level of issues in relation to dog control, that information now being made publicly available will be able to be of a benefit to those interested in that space. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003ESo I think that this bill is a fantastic bill. It brings together a whole lot of areas to make sure there\u2019s consistency across legislation, it makes sure that there is an increased incentive for local government to be thinking about how they foster participation, and it also does that great job of making available online public notices that were previously only available in newspapers, which weren\u2019t as widely read. So I\u2019m very pleased to be a member of the Governance and Administration Committee that got to consider all the good work in this space, and without further ado, I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022f2b44de67f2d4d92b5cc242c68f47b4e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f2b44de67f2d4d92b5cc242c68f47b4e\u0022\u003EMAUREEN PUGH (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Assistant Speaker. I, too, have pleasure in standing and speaking to the third reading of the Local Government Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill today. This bill has been well canvassed; the details have been well debated, even today\u2014the good contributions from all parties\u2014and why not, because this is another piece of fantastic legislation that was initiated under the former National-led Government. I take note and acknowledge the contribution of the Hon Ron Mark\u2014as he pointed out, a former colleague in the local government world. As he will well remember, every time central government imposed new legislation on to local government, it did create some inconsistencies. There are a myriad of Acts that local government works under, and so inevitably\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022345fddc74781479bb8f4937761aca4a1\u0022\u003EHon Ron Mark\u003C/span\u003E: Not to mention the cost.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002229ee755aa77d4bb9970c14da93832379\u0022\u003EMAUREEN PUGH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014there are some inconsistencies that come out of that\u2014and I do acknowledge that the cost was always borne by the ratepayers for the central government legislation. As a demonstration of the complexity of some of that legislation coming down into local government, a software package that was in use in the council that I was involved in was the finance package, and following the introduction of several pieces of legislation, it required adjustments to the financial package that councils used. At six years ago, I can tell you that there were 52 add-ons to our financial package simply because of legislative changes, so who knows what that is up to now. It certainly won\u2019t have become any easier. But a piece of legislation like this, that actually does simplify things, that does get rid of some of that inconsistency, is always going to be welcomed by the local government family. With that, I have great pleasure in commending this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022 data-id=\u0022f1759ed4817f44f3b2909f46f5249561\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f1759ed4817f44f3b2909f46f5249561\u0022\u003EJAMIE STRANGE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Mr Assistant Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to take a call tonight\u2014the final speaker on the Local Government Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill. So we\u2019ve heard a lot of speeches tonight of varying lengths. I will endeavour to give a long, fulsome contribution tonight and, in a way, sort of sum up a lot of what we\u2019ve heard tonight. Before I get into the aspects of the bill, I\u2019d like to acknowledge the Hon Nanaia Mahuta, the Minister of Local Government, who does a wonderful job in this space. As I speak to councils all around the country, they are very impressed with the work that she\u2019s doing. They\u2019re particularly impressed with the engagement. They recognise that we have a Government who are working hard to engage with local government and with councils, and there\u2019s certainly lots of appreciation there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EAs a member of the Governance and Administration Committee, I like to acknowledge our chair, Brett Hudson, for the excellent work that he\u2019s done, and all of the members. I\u2019d also like to acknowledge all of those who made a submission to this bill. There are a number of councils, in particular, who made submissions, as it affects them, but also lots of general members of the public. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s an important aspect that local government plays in all of our lives. There\u2019s a saying: \u201CAll politics is local.\u201D\u2014and that\u2019s absolutely correct. There\u2019s a strong link between central and local government. You know, for a lot of people out there, it\u2019s often difficult to know what central government does and what local government does. From time to time, I\u2019ll get an email asking about street lights or maybe a pothole and so I\u2019ll, obviously, inform that person that that\u2019s a local government issue. There\u2019s certainly a strong link, and I believe that the Government are working well to strengthen those links.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003ESo some of the key things that this bill talks about\u2014tonight, I\u2019d like to start with the one that is absolutely vital for our country, and that\u2019s around participation in elections. The participation in most local body elections, as we\u2019ve heard, is around 40 percent. I\u2019ve stood for Parliament myself, my wife has stood for council, and\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002270419a87bf774c62ae274334c31ddc15\u0022\u003ETim van de Molen\u003C/span\u003E: Is she standing again?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e269d6e91a994008bcdafcb335aa6db8\u0022\u003EJAMIE STRANGE\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014we would have both benefited\u2014possibly, possibly. We\u2019ll see\u2014wouldn\u2019t want to make any announcements tonight there, sir. But both the times we stood, the turnout was around 40 percent. If we\u2019re going to have diversity\u2014if we\u2019re going to have youngish people, like myself\u2014on councils, then it\u2019s important that we have a high level of turnout. Now, why do I say that? Because a higher level of turnout creates more diversity on our councils. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard it before from Ginny Andersen. There are three key areas that we lack around representation on councils: that\u2019s youth, M\u0101ori, and Pacific. There are a number of other areas as well, but those are three that have been highlighted quite a bit. If we\u2019re going to increase diversity, if our elected members are going to be representative of the general public, we need higher voter turnout. So this bill addresses that. The way it addresses it is by putting the onus on the CEO of the council to increase participation. If the onus for that is put on the elected members, then we could potentially have the situation\u2014and I think we probably do\u2014where some elected members, and often the majority of elected members, would benefit from low voter turnout. So a low voter turnout will, effectively, keep them in their position. So, therefore, they\u2019re not incentivised to increase voter turnout.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EWe see things like online voting being muted in many cases, and more often than not it gets voted down by the elected members. I mean, I don\u2019t presume to know all their thoughts, but I do suspect that there\u2019s an aspect of job security for them. If they\u2019ve been elected on a lower voter turnout, they will, hence, generally not want to see an increased voter turnout and more diversity. But by putting that responsibility on the CEO of the council, I believe we will see some good movement in this space, because the CEO is impartial, as we know.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s an aspect there I touched on that I just want to build on a little bit, around online voting. Now, I don\u2019t believe online voting will be, you know, some sort of fix-everything silver bullet, but I do believe\u2014and the research shows\u2014that online voting will increase voter participation, particularly among youth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003ESo this bill puts the responsibility on the CEO to increase turnout. The CEO, in his or her wisdom, may decide that online voting will make a difference; therefore they will be able to do that. They won\u2019t have to take it to elected members and say, \u201CElected members, please make a choice on this.\u201D; they will be impartial. So I would like to encourage councils and CEOs, in this case, to look at online voting, because I believe the time has come for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EThe second point I\u2019d like to touch on is around public notices\u2014making public notices more readily available. So at the moment, as we know, public notices are in newspapers, and newspapers are not always delivered. They rely on hand-delivery many times\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a06acc0c02ca475a8adf1a0aabc9eaab\u0022\u003EChris Penk\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s the year of non-delivery.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eee09bfa7394425ab8c414b341e60596\u0022\u003EJAMIE STRANGE\u003C/span\u003E: Unlike this Government, Mr Penk\u2014the year of delivery! But sometimes newspapers are not always delivered. For example, if someone has a \u201CNo circulars\u201D sign on their letterbox, they will often not get a certain newspaper even though they would actually want that newspaper. I was talking to a newspaper delivery person recently, who said, \u201COh, I\u2019m not going to deliver down that street, because there\u2019s quite a few \u2018No circulars\u2019 down there, so I\u2019m not going to bother.\u201D So it\u2019s a little bit sporadic at times.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003ESo we can\u2019t rely only on newspapers for delivery. Newspapers do an excellent job, but we can\u2019t rely just on them; we need diversity within that communication. We can\u2019t always rely on the daily papers. They are subscription-based and they will be delivered, but only a smallish percentage of our society pay for a subscription. For a lot of people, the newspapers that they receive are weekly free newspapers; and we have a couple of excellent newspapers in Hamilton. So if there\u2019s a special meeting that\u2019s taking place, say, for example, tomorrow, and the council put that in a daily newspaper, it will get to a sort of smallish percentage of the population, but others will miss out, and they can\u2019t put it in the weekly newspaper which has a wider readership, because, you know, the meeting is tomorrow. Hence the importance of online notices.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EI\u2019m hoping that this bill will see councils think creatively around how they engage with people, around how they inform people, around meetings, around events, and around important things that are happening that affect them. So, for example, the CEO in this case may choose to look at things like sponsored adverts on Facebook or Instagram, and the reason I say Instagram is that Instagram is a platform that quite a few young people are engaged with, and so on their feed, as they\u2019re looking through, they will see an advert come up which relates to council, which relates to their elected members, to increase engagement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EA lot of people get their news only from social media, particularly young people and even people in their 30s, 40s, and 50s. The sole place they receive their news is social media\u2014Facebook, obviously, the biggest one\u2014so if councils and, in that case, Government are not engaging on social media, then there\u2019s a large portion of society who aren\u2019t being reached, who aren\u2019t being engaged with, and in a way it\u2019s little wonder that we aren\u2019t seeing the voter turnout, because people are not being reached.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003ESo this is a very important bill around that aspect, and, as we\u2019ve heard from previous speakers, we\u2019ve got local body elections coming up later this year. So I\u2019m sure the members in this House, as there is strong support for this bill, will be watching with interest around what CEOs choose to do in this space. I\u2019ll be talking to the CEO of Hamilton City Council and maybe suggesting one or two things that he may be willing to explore in this space.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s a final point I\u2019d like to touch on in the last few seconds, and that\u2019s the winter energy payment. Previous speakers have explained what this bill does around that: it\u2019s just ensuring that everyone is eligible for that rates rebate. But I\u2019d like to finish by acknowledging the Hon Ruth Dyson, who, for many years, spoke about this issue and now has enacted a piece of legislation around the rates rebate. I\u2019ve had a number of people come into my office thanking myself and the Government for that. I commend this excellent bill to the House. Thank you, sir.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224719e06505bd46b898cf464998d70428\u0022\u003ELocal Electoral Matters Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f41dec536a6842bf8be808db94af38ae\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u00228de2ab2696e840a6b284861e9e176109\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228de2ab2696e840a6b284861e9e176109\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Justice)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister of Local Government: I move, That the Local Electoral Matters Bill be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe Local Electoral Matters Bill amends and modernises two pieces of legislation and is one component of a broader effort to improve civic participation in local government. As New Zealanders are using postal services less, this creates increasing challenges for local authorities to deliver postal voting effectively and affordably. Innovation is required to adapt to the changing public expectations about how people wish to engage with central and local government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EAs a brief summary, the bill comprises two parts. Part 1 amends the Local Electoral Act 2001 to make explicit provision for local authorities to conduct trials of new voting methods. In particular, the bill allows a new voting method to be trialled with a subset of voters within a local election, giving local authorities more options to manage risks when they\u2019re designing trials. The bill also makes important improvements to the contingency mechanisms for local elections in the event that a serious problem occurs with a voting method. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe amendments in the bill enable electors to vote again if a voting method fails or is compromised, and the electoral officer makes a formal decision to abandon the method during the voting period. If a serious failure of the voting system is discovered after polling has closed, the bill provides for an electoral officer to apply to the District Court seeking a judgment that the election be voided and rerun. I acknowledge the good work of the Justice Committee in making and consulting on these additions to the contingency provisions for local elections. While these changes provide an important backstop when new voting methods are being developed, they also provide a more robust contingency regime for local elections generally.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIn Part 2, the bill amends the Electoral Act 1993. This includes amendments to clarify that people analysing voter participation in local elections are able to access age group and M\u0101ori descent information for this analysis. Local authorities have told us they are keen to use this information to inform their understanding of voter turnout and their efforts to improve voter participation. Another amendment to the Electoral Act 1993 is to allow local authorities to be supplied with date of birth information from the database of registered electors where this is explicitly required in order to conduct an election. This change will support local authorities in developing new authentication measures for voting methods while ensuring this information is handled carefully.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe bill was introduced into the House on 5 April 2018 and referred to the Justice Committee on 9 May 2018. I thank the members of that committee for their careful consideration of the bill and for constructive amendments they made, which have certainly improved the bill. The committee reported back to the House on 7 December last year, and the bill had its second reading on 12 March this year. I\u2019m very pleased the bill has been able to move through its remaining stages rapidly so that we can soon put the bill into effect and begin to realise the benefits it will bring.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI welcome members\u2019 active engagement in debating the bill\u2019s provisions during the committee of the whole House stage, and members\u2019 support for the bill. Some members commented that this bill is not a far-reaching piece of local electoral reform, and that is correct. However, the bill does make the necessary and important changes to support development of new voting methods so that local authorities can adapt to our changing times. The amendments in the bill are the first step in modernising local elections and providing greater flexibility for local authorities. The changes will also benefit New Zealanders as this lays the groundwork for improvements so that casting a vote will become more accessible for more of the voting population.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ESome of the second reading speeches also referred to the changes made by the Justice Committee to allow for a fit for purpose contingency mechanism to be in place during a local election. As I mentioned, I commend the Justice Committee for making these amendments, as they provide better safeguards for our local elections, particularly when a new voting method is being trialled. These are valuable additions to the bill, as one of the core principles that the Local Electoral Act 2001 is designed to support is public confidence in local electoral processes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ETo conclude, I\u2019d like to acknowledge those individuals and organisations who took the time to make submissions on the bill, members of the Justice Committee for their efforts in considering the bill, and all members of this House for their constructive engagement on the bill. Although the working group of interested councils has decided not to proceed with the trial of online voting at the 2019 local elections, the changes in this bill are an important step forward towards developing a new voting method or methods for local body voters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe passing of this bill will benefit New Zealand because it will enable local authorities to trial new, more fit for purpose ways of voting in local elections. There are also changes in the bill which support the integrity of local elections more generally and the quality of research on voter participation. It is an important contribution to the ongoing efforts of this Government to improve civic participation in local government. I commend the Local Electoral Matters Bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u0022b584cb8ea4324be684f744ad8d438862\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b584cb8ea4324be684f744ad8d438862\u0022\u003EHon JACQUI DEAN (National\u2014Waitaki):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. I\u2019m very happy to speak in support at the third reading of the Local Electoral Matters Bill, but do wonder why it is that such a minor bill which makes two, maybe three, minor changes to a couple of Acts needs to have such fulsome time given to it in the House\u2014if consideration of the previous bill is any guide. On this side of the House, we understand the contents of this bill very well. We\u2019ve spoken extensively in all the readings and given this bill very good consideration in select committee, as have Government members. So I don\u2019t plan to traverse the contents of the bill too carefully, but I would like to make a couple of comments on, perhaps, the shortcomings that we see in this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThe bill does make minor changes to both the Local Electoral Act and the Electoral Act. The misgivings and the concerns that I might have are around the first part of the bill, which relates to better enabling trials of internet voting. I agree with the Minister in the chair, who brought the bill forward, that internet voting could well be a part of the suite of options for local councils and, indeed, the general election, in a voting method which best suits the times. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EI disagree with the member, and I disagree with the Government, that this is the panacea for low voter turnout. I don\u2019t believe that for a moment. New Zealand is a very diverse country. Paul Eagle noted in a previous speech, on a previous bill, that in greater Wellington there was a turnout of something like 40 percent in local body elections, and, quite rightly, he lamented that. But in places like Mackenzie, which is a small South Island local authority, they have a much, much higher voter turnout, in the 60s. Indeed, a number of smaller provincial centres do have a much better turnout, and I\u2019d venture to say that there are other factors at play other than the potential for online voting, which is going to bring the larger centres, literally, up to what is a better rate of participating in local elections. So I think a wider discussion needs to be had around that, rather than just pinning the Government\u2019s hopes on internet voting. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EI also have concerns about the security of online voting. I acknowledge that, yes, postal ballot papers can fall out of letter boxes and be swept away by the wind, and there might be occasions where people go round collecting them up and indulging in fraudulent behaviour. I acknowledge all that, but I do think that the councils who were proposing to undertake a trial\u2014and that is a provision in the bill, where an internet trial wouldn\u2019t have to be across a whole local authority area but could be confined to a ward\u2014is a good step forward. But, again, that\u2019s laying the legislative framework. I am pleased to see that the local councils who were considering, as part of the working group, a trial of internet voting have determined that it is not yet secure enough, so I think that\u2019s very important. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EThe second part of the bill makes very minor changes to enable age-related data to be provided in statistical format by age bands to local authorities. Surely, that is the most minor of minor amendments, and whether it deserves full 10-minute speeches on a Thursday afternoon, where the Government are proposing that this is a significant and major piece of work and part of \u201Cthe year of delivery\u201D\u2014not buying it. Thanks, Mr Assistant Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022 data-id=\u00229c7f1538352d4f21822cbbd32c26c9a9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229c7f1538352d4f21822cbbd32c26c9a9\u0022\u003ERAYMOND HUO (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Assistant Speaker. Isn\u2019t it wonderful to conclude the busy sitting week by supporting the third reading of this relatively small but important bill concerning local body elections. The Local Electoral Matters Bill seeks to modernise two pieces of legislation\u2014namely, the Local Electoral Act 2001 and the Electoral Act 1993. The purpose of the bill is to provide greater flexibility to enable local electoral arrangements to adapt to changing circumstances, and one of the measures is to develop new voting methods for the future. The bill is one component of a broader effort to improve civic participation in our local government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003EThe busy Justice Committee received and considered 27 submissions from interested organisations and individuals, and we heard oral evidence from 10 submitters. We also heard from submitters who shared at the Justice Committee their experience, their international experience, in relation to online voting such as in Australia, Switzerland, and other countries. The Justice Committee is currently conducting an inquiry into the 2017 general election and the 2016 local body elections.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the Minister of Justice, who, last year, sent a letter to the Justice Committee inviting the committee to look at the resilience of our electoral system against foreign interference risks. We then invited the Electoral Commission to appear before the Justice Committee, and then had them again as part of their annual review hearings. The commission duly advised the Justice Committee, and the committee then resolved to invite the SIS, the GCSB, and the National Assessments Bureau to advise the committee as part of the inquiry, and specifically with regard to that particular new angle, as outlined in Minister Little\u2019s letter to the Justice Committee before Christmas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003EThe Justice Committee has so far considered 19 bills, and this particular bill must be one of the 14 bills that the Justice Committee has sent back to the House for their second reading. In 2018 alone, we had 340 hours of meeting time\u2014just to show how busy the Justice Committee has been over the last 1\u00BD years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003EThe reason why I listed all of these sorts of steps is simply to try to demonstrate that in terms of this inquiry, the committee has been on the right track, until last Thursday, when we had 13 agenda items over five hours and 50 minutes. But the most important business last week was to consider and deliberate on the Privacy Bill, because the report-back date is due, and also we were to consider two more important bills\u2014namely, the Administration of Justice (Reform of Contempt of Court) Bill and also the End of Life Choice Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003EThe committee last week received a letter from Professor Anne-Marie Brady, requesting to make a late submission. So one of the business matters for the committee is to consider whether we should accept a late submission, and the rest will be widely reported in the media. I look forward to further debate on this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 6 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019031480cabb320c6645cbb64b74443a4083f8000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248d9e7fe-3603-456c-bd32-c8d6177395fb\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"