"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a572119b1e584e3e884bcc294e9e1635\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 23 MAY 2019\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022392f6da4a5374847a95d8e9752caae00\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 23 MAY 2019\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223593bdeda78a45d38fef237a9ebcb628\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022976dc79036bf43e6a61df7a32e61c4d6\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u002265b57cd0d21c40b19cc8cfee0d769dbe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002265b57cd0d21c40b19cc8cfee0d769dbe\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E On Tuesday, 28 May, the annual review debate will be completed and the Racing Reform Bill and the Veterans\u2019 Support Amendment Bill will receive their first readings. Legislation to be considered on Wednesday, 29 May will include the Support Workers (Pay Equity) Settlements Amendment Bill and the Building Amendment Bill. At 5.45\u00A0p.m. on that day, Paulo Garcia will make his maiden statement. Thursday, 30 May is Budget day. After the delivery of the Budget statement by the Minister of Finance and speeches by the party leaders, urgency will be moved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u00220529a9d921804a62badb2698076bb772\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220529a9d921804a62badb2698076bb772\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE (National\u2014Ilam):\u003C/span\u003E I thank the Leader of the House for that very early acknowledgment, or indication, that there will be urgency towards the end of next week. Can I ask him, though\u2014on the Order Paper at No. 25 there\u2019s the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary Bill, and we understand that\u2019s not making progress at this point. But just above it is the Autonomous Sanctions Bill, which has been on the Order Paper, I must admit, for a time and, given recent statements from the Prime Minister, is there any intention to move that further up the Order Paper? I can assure you that there would be some facilitation for the progress of that bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u00220eaaa42fcd9a452b8b5f6eed1c9304ab\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220eaaa42fcd9a452b8b5f6eed1c9304ab\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E What I can tell the member is, if he looks at the Order Paper, of course there\u2019s a very busy Government with a very busy legislative programme. We are committed, of course, to working our way through all of those matters and some other matters which he\u2019s about to learn about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022e6f7d18ad7d946ea8d68943d0ec0383c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e6f7d18ad7d946ea8d68943d0ec0383c\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE (National\u2014Ilam):\u003C/span\u003E Well, 24 things\u2014only 24 things on the Order Paper for the Government to do, and they call that busy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022b2173d5204a9477ca9a8cf256d8cd082\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b2173d5204a9477ca9a8cf256d8cd082\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It sounds like an invitation to add something to the urgency motion, to me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223f77fda276fc46f8b54003c64fbf2181\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002298a2720f141d4d6a8a2a5e8ad8de0bc1\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221e53672a3c614da7a86c83cf89aa1c13\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022 data-id=\u0022d7c4f0921ef44c11ae0947a976a39b47\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d7c4f0921ef44c11ae0947a976a39b47\u0022\u003EHon AMY ADAMS (National\u2014Selwyn)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Is the Government still committed to \u201Creducing net debt to 20 percent of GDP\u201D as outlined in the Speech from the Throne?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022b3c7310ee7e6426993a7aa9079090528\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b3c7310ee7e6426993a7aa9079090528\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, and I thank the member for the opportunity to reaffirm my announcement I made earlier today that we will meet this target and the other Budget responsibility rules in Budget 2019, as we did in Budget 2018.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc96f0ae234e4adf97539830544c35ca\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Why has he changed his original commitment, which was to maintain that debt target for five years under this Government, but instead announced today that from next year\u2019s Budget the debt under his Government could actually be considerably higher?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226cc1e9b67c5642dd8dd765f22ee88c46\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s not correct.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228dc39c8db8684bd194d916d2d9912c05\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: It is correct.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229fa8c39faa2f4187ae9a506dcfe5fd21\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: That is not correct. The commitment of this Government is that we would reduce net core Crown debt to 20 percent of GDP within five years of taking office. We are absolutely meeting that commitment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f5f27574e8e14c2ab04373628f80d077\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by the Prime Minister\u2019s statement last August that\u2014and I quote\u2014\u201CThese rules are not \u2026 nice to have[s]. \u2026 Some people have called for us to relax our borrowing rules or simply spend more. We won\u2019t.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c1e10001ec3b4537949cba03169fbf64\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely, I stand by that comment. As I said, the member will be pleased to see that, in Budget 2019, we are meeting our Budget responsibility rules around debt, in particular. So I think the member needs to reflect a little bit on the performance of her Government and, actually, might want to consider that the target that the previous Government set of 20 percent net debt was never ever met\u2014not once\u2014and they left us with 22.8 percent net debt. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022455699a560c04bbcb6195adbdd89abcc\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Is the real reason he\u2019s broken his debt limitation promise to the people of New Zealand that he\u2019s realised\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002290b35abcf4c04537b09bcf098cef7b7c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277323eca0ff74d8da7a8560ee8253c8a\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014that this Government has overpromised and can\u2019t deliver? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002240f775ef0b8e4c18ab28f2cf35653d45\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker\u2014you are calling me? Yep. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d91186dda4ac45e3a704555b143dfacd\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. I was contemplating, but if the member really wants to answer it, he can. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022148732450a444d239eae8235a58af330\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: That question from the member is completely and totally untrue. The member will see, when the Budget is released, that we are meeting our net debt target and that it will be 20 percent of GDP five years after taking office, and, actually, the member will see it will be below 20 percent in the sixth year and the seventh year and, actually, on the projections out to 2032. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297f2b26277e54b5caa2de173e2dff3b7\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Can I ask the Foreign Minister, is he saying\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297697dfa40dd47c7a1b17615f2b080bb\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: \u201CForeign Minister\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222318a1f1179c4beeb4297254a49b728b\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, sorry. Can I ask the finance Minister\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f3e0996a663648518f381ece592cd3c8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Right. Now, come on, come on. It\u2019s not part of the 10-year plan. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f47270ba4b743219b07295eeff66111\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Can I ask the finance Minister\u2014after consultation with the Foreign Minister\u2014that despite all this necessary infrastructure and social spending being so neglected, the debt ratios are going to be inside the targets way before the time he originally said? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a67f878fb8ba459488f42f83d3d3c590\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely. This Government has struck the right balance between increasing the amount of money that we\u2019re investing in fixing schools and hospitals and transport and housing and all of the critical public services we have, and we have balanced that with meeting our debt target. The member opposite is simply wrong in what she is saying today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002254b2d19eb780478bb2ca203033b9f924\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Isn\u2019t the real reason he\u2019s now being forced to rewrite his debt commitment because the economy has slowed under his watch, his revenues are falling, and he now cannot meet his spending commitments to New Zealand? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297b8a77e901c4616a3d0462a216187cf\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: The member is completely wrong. Our debt target stands and we\u2019re meeting it in this Budget, as we met it in the last Budget, and the fiscal projections that the member will see on Budget day show that not only are we meeting it now but we\u2019re meeting it out to 2032. If the member\u2019s logic is to be followed, she\u2019s now endorsing a Government over here that will last until 2032. I\u2019m not sure if I\u2019ll be there all the way through that, but I\u2019ll do my best to stick around. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228fc29cf0fd2c4050959389f60da78bf2\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Does he think it\u2019s responsible to burden future generations of New Zealanders with extra debt simply because the Government can\u2019t manage the books and is wasting billions of dollars on failed policies like the fees-free policy and KiwiBuild? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022770e9ab66b2448bba9971e0fe836b15c\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: The member is continuing in each of her questions to represent a complete falsehood\u2014a complete falsehood. The Budget responsibility rule debt target has been met. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a0675f34b4c46c4a3c1a812da5ef15a\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019re rewriting it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022091247b7b13c43ca8802278e5e24eac6\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha! The Budget debt responsibility target has been met. What we announced today was that, after the end of the five-year Budget responsibility rule period, we were moving to a range. I can assure the member today that she probably should be grateful for that, given that her Government never actually made the 20 percent debt target and would have needed the range to be able to claim success. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022df1aad6e3679459f86df577eb2199a1b\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Hasn\u2019t he today really just revealed the Government\u2019s real economic strategy, which is to tax more, spend more, and borrow more? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c323f168c48436e80d21dbeae486bed\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, and I really do encourage the member to read what\u2019s in the speech today and to read what\u2019s in the Budget. What I have announced today is that this is a Government that has managed to keep to our Budget responsibility rules and balance that against investing in all of the issues that were let go by the previous Government to fix our schools and to fix our hospitals. Ms Adams, you need to read the document. It says we\u2019re going to meet the 20 percent target and, when you see the Budget, you\u2019ll see that we\u2019re meeting that target out to 2032, and the way they\u2019re going over there, we will definitely be here in 2032. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002221d0ba1fc17448c68f56dee65232b09b\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Can I ask the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228db5aa232aa045c9b894e75793b02b3e\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: The Foreign Minister again? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247ef6bb01a52483380a60ff4111bf652\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014finance Minister, and not the Foreign Minister, again\u2014he was the Treasurer at one time\u2014has he read Liam Dann\u2019s comments about his speech today, that said, \u201CBut the Government has the upper-hand as it has just spent the past year and a half focused on bedding down its conservative credentials \u2026\u201D\u2014with respect to the Opposition\u2014\u201CIt\u2019s a classic Hollywood trope.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002259c971bfd8ea40eb9d70eebe1761e4ec\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! The\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222dea11ecd1a641a9ae332d2b02d85930\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: The first part? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f936108de8c843d09843f71447895e7f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The first part only, yes, because that\u2019s what he\u2019s got responsibility for. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002242353026574b4157a84e604560c5ce92\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I have read the column by Liam Dann. I also noticed that it had been read by the Leader of the Opposition, who re-tweeted it and then quickly deleted the tweet when he saw what it said. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b07440e2cc704836bea56aca86b9b2fa\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u2014Housing and Urban Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u0022bb17e01ef0494afc9b7475cb3f49cc66\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bb17e01ef0494afc9b7475cb3f49cc66\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (National\u2014Papakura)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: Is he confident none of the 58 KiwiBuild houses currently being marketed in Canterbury will have to be purchased by the Crown; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022c5ccd5018b474ed28b8cf35e20c3c41c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c5ccd5018b474ed28b8cf35e20c3c41c\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Housing and Urban Development): \u003C/span\u003EThe underwrite enables builders to have certainty, to obtain finance, and to free up their investment in a reasonable time frame, which allows them to then go on and build more homes. The Government then continues to market these homes to KiwiBuild buyers. By sharing the burden of that risk with developers, the Government is getting affordable homes built. As I told the member in question time on Tuesday, the ministry has already acquired three homes in Canterbury that are currently on the market for eligible buyers. Therefore, the answer to the member\u2019s question is no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b419f20605d149ea893e9b063b42bc3f\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Why would he think that these two-bedroom KiwiBuild homes being marketed for $500,000 are affordable when the median sale price for two-bedroom homes in Waimakariri is currently $330,000?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223c1b110319c8432da73ccc1e0a720897\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, we\u2019re talking about new homes that are being built, here. There are new Mike Greer homes, very nice two-bedroom homes, that are on the market for $360,000, which is a very good price not only in Canterbury but in any other market around the country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231aada95ee9b4d3687164dfb31228365\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware that, in the last 12 months, two-bedroom houses in Pegasus Town, where these KiwiBuild homes are being built, have taken, on average, 700 days to sell?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227fa5c89e9c654355ac3aa673c3353ab2\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I know the member\u2019s obsessed with how long a place takes to sell, but the reality is that some homes\u2014no matter whether they\u2019re new, old, KiwiBuild, or any other kind of home\u2014sell in days. I note that in Tauranga recently, in \u014Cmokoroa, four of the eight houses that went on sale had deposits put down on those houses in the first weekend that they were on the market. Other houses take a bit longer to sell, and that\u2019s perfectly natural and what happens in the market.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d3a05bf7deb447db2f82c02a84122a6\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: What will he do with the houses he has recently had to buy in Canterbury?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8c1a5b08dd04dd99430b8ece667d626\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: They are already on the market and are available to KiwiBuild buyers. In fact, under the underwrite, we\u2019ve acquired 12 across the entire KiwiBuild programme, and one of those has already been on-sold to first-home buyers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f51ef4ec7824a8991947ca094ec9cad\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Is this deal a bailout for property developers who, at the height of the housing bubble, at an event hosted by the then Prime Minister Helen Clark in 2006, bought $122 million of property in Pegasus Town in just one day?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223274dd985774468fb5a7f3f0e71e8946\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: No, but I\u2019ll say this to the member: she makes a great noise about how we\u2019ve supposedly spent $600 million on this across the KiwiBuild programme. That is not how much money\u2019s been spent; that is the value of the houses that have been built, that have been enabled, by this policy\u2014affordable homes for first-home buyers that otherwise would not have been built and certainly wouldn\u2019t have been built under that party\u2019s policy for nine years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f6067faadf334c24baab8d9b59787e27\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u2014Housing and Urban Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022 data-id=\u00225987c80b280c4666b26c3dfdede8324b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225987c80b280c4666b26c3dfdede8324b\u0022\u003EPRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: What announcements has the Government made about providing wrap around support and housing to homeless New Zealanders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022094cfa23beea463e9c3e9c0aeea41524\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022094cfa23beea463e9c3e9c0aeea41524\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Housing and Urban Development):\u003C/span\u003E The Prime Minister has announced that the Wellbeing Budget will expand Housing First to provide wraparound support and housing to more than 1,000 extra households, expanding the programme to 2,700 households. Housing First works with homeless New Zealanders to make street homelessness rare, brief, and non-recurring. It\u2019s been successful in Canada, the United States, Europe, and the United Kingdom. The Housing First model recognises that it\u2019s easier for people to address issues, such as mental health and addiction, once they are securely housed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ebea2d862b3a439db4790e03cc0dcb36\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: How many households have been housed by the Housing First programme?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a25c5dc2559e44e1aa23c8aeff1285f1\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Seven hundred and forty-eight households have now been housed through the programme since it began. In Auckland alone, 452 children have now been housed under the Housing First programme.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202e9732271d74471bfe6bc6435b1a006\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: What progress are Housing First providers reporting?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d7ec685a21949ec8967d55d563a92ea\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: The providers are reporting extremely good progress. For example, Christchurch\u2019s Housing First provider said that more than 100 households had come through its doors since they opened in June, and 66 of their clients had been without a home for more than a year at that point. Among them was a man who had lived on the streets in Christchurch for more than 11 years, and he\u2019s now been in his own home for more than 9 months.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d02e6f568da427d9859b7fbd352d0dc\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: What feedback has the Minister received from Housing First clients?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022424c900287d34e01af15e0305d1e31a1\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve seen a number of stories of people who have been housed under this programme. One Christchurch resident said\u2014and I quote\u2014\u201CIt actually makes you feel good. It lifted my self-esteem.\u201D He said, \u201CI was way down in the depths of Loch Ness for quite a while there. I was struggling to get myself out of that situation, and, emotionally, I was wrecked.\u201D He said he\u2019d always wanted to work, but not having a home was a barrier to employment. In less than a month of living in his new home, he has already secured permanent work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229f2b8342e2f043889433c1b6ac77ad8d\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u2014Economic Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u002222281a8b78fd4110a750999f6159e5fa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002222281a8b78fd4110a750999f6159e5fa\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Economic Development: What is his Government\u2019s economic development strategy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u00227218ecf4cc4f46029a5a5763d2777dbc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227218ecf4cc4f46029a5a5763d2777dbc\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Acting Minister for Economic Development):\u003C/span\u003E On behalf of the Minister for Economic Development, being aware of the way the Minister of Finance\u2019s question was curtailed yesterday, I will keep this brief. The economic strategy that the Government has is to grow and share New Zealand\u2019s prosperity more fairly, support thriving and sustainable regions, govern responsibly and develop broader measures of success, and transition to a clean, green, carbon-neutral New Zealand. We want equality of opportunity and more equal outcomes, no matter who you are or where you live. We aim to diversify our export base, turning volume into value, and I note that exports as a percentage of GDP have risen from 26.8 percent to 28.8 percent, in contrast to the last Government. We also have a focus on a just transition to a low-carbon economy, meeting the future of work with confidence, building better and greater infrastructure, and improving the institutions that underpin economic development.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bad3bdac90544ae3b9f97cbbe72897f7\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does it concern him that this is the fourth time I\u2019ve asked this question and that is the fourth different answer I\u2019ve received; and, if so, is he surprised that everyone is confused as to what the growth strategy is?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0670b32733946bf8a62175269597b54\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: The economic development strategy of the Government is clear. The confused person in this case is the member asking the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022435718f2963c4f948061f41783bacb68\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Wouldn\u2019t a more accurate description of the Government\u2019s economic development strategy be spend more, borrow more, and hope for the best?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258a7a37b752f44a6898f77f25246150e\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: No. An accurate description is the one that I have given, which has turned around our export performance, which had consistently declined on trend under the last Government, despite their big bold claims. This is a Government that is getting alongside industries and communities right around New Zealand, to make sure that they grow sustainably through the Provincial Growth Fund and through the just transitions work we\u2019re doing. It\u2019s actually a model of active economic development, not sitting on the sidelines hoping for the best as the previous Government did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225516e258398449e0afdc7b99a3261785\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Why does he think his strategy is working when, as the Reserve Bank Governor put it, there has been a \u201Csharp decline\u201D in the economy and new job creation has dried up?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222546246d4c6e4837a950cff98cddf6d4\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, the Reserve Bank Governor went on to say that the fiscal strategy is helping the economy at the moment. It\u2019s helping because the Government is prepared to get alongside communities and invest. If the member had been at the Just Transition Summit in New Plymouth, he would have seen a community that is now committed to the transition to a low-carbon economy, that sees massive opportunities for new energy and for the creation of new jobs in that region. He should take a leaf out of the book of the people of Taranaki and get on board. Jonathan Young loved the summit. I saw him there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002276748838493b4fabb45df47f84761c26\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Foreign Minister saying that, in much less than 18 months, a 30 towards 25 percent\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207318fd401494303905100f8a95e07bd\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I\u2019ll just get the member to start the question again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0aec6f6908a468eaced78465a5c4a38\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Is the finance Minister and economic development Minister saying that, in less than 18 months, the decline of exports from 30 percent down towards 25 percent\u2014in that short time\u2014has been turned around and that it\u2019s risen to 26.8 percent already?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f3fc0bbc6189468ea7b33b1d5e523688\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: In fact\u2014I thank the member for the question\u2014it\u2019s actually up to 28.8 percent, from 26.8 percent. So it is moving in the right direction and, most certainly, the trend had been in the other direction under the previous Government. That was a result of a philosophical view that standing on the sidelines and hoping for the best is economic policy\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b00de6ab84fa4e35b06cf060c5e5fa49\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That\u2019s enough\u2014not responsible for it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e342ba3762974049bc58984d7f3dc2c2\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Whatever happened to the Business Partnership Agenda that was announced with great fanfare by the Prime Minister in August last year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b2ffd709f8d84f40ab1912e4da1cc18f\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: The programmes that are within the Business Partnership Agenda continue, with one particular exception. That website, which the National Party went looking for some ideas on, has been updated since that time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fecef136b9334f9da89ea00f21e27a31\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u0022c97522ec1ce546918dacf5f0673a806d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c97522ec1ce546918dacf5f0673a806d\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: How many adult New Zealanders reported an unmet need for GPs due to cost in the past 12 months according to the results of the 2017/18 New Zealand Health Survey, and how does that compare with the 2016/17 survey?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022 data-id=\u0022fc7e8fa1c4304d8c976e4ace9d714ada\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fc7e8fa1c4304d8c976e4ace9d714ada\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m advised that an estimated 585,000 people did not access GP services due to cost in 2017/18, though I would note that the survey was completed before the start of the Government\u2019s cheaper doctors visits policy in December last year, which reduced the cost of primary care for approximately 600,000 New Zealanders. Unmet need for GPs due to cost was an estimated 547,000 in 2016/17. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022415bc673ea6844189926d546189ced89\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Well, does he believe that his policy goal of reduced barriers to access for all New Zealanders has been achieved when 38,000 more people have unmet needs for GPs due to cost last year, compared with the previous year? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f94376aa3f814e15ab7d70358fea0289\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member for his question and reiterate what I said in the response to the first one: that, of course, that result came in before the Government\u2019s policy change, which has reduced the cost of going to a doctor for around 600,000 New Zealanders\u2014540,000 community services cardholders can now access cheaper doctors visits that couldn\u2019t before. That is $20 to $30 cheaper on average for those community services cardholders, for 540,000 more New Zealanders. It\u2019s great news for those people who were struggling to access a doctor. On top of that, and thanks to New Zealand First, we have free doctors visits for 14-year-olds. So 600,000 New Zealanders can now access cheaper doctors visits than before the time that the member\u2019s highlighting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022789ee4d4944d409388ab211ce85996f4\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: How does that figure of 540,000 adult New Zealanders compare with his lofty promise that every single adult New Zealander would be getting a reduction in fees, and when will that occur? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d14e0d94fe914ec282b7386f8f39b3ab\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: It is true that we have an ambition of making sure more New Zealanders can access affordable primary care. That is something this Government is absolutely committed to. I\u2019d also note that the Families Package is helping 384,000 New Zealanders, and when it\u2019s fully rolled out it will be $75 a week in those households that they will benefit from. We\u2019re very clearly targeting a situation where more people can afford to go and get the primary care they need.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4b4d304e413439d895658650e761b6a\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: When the GP fees changes were implemented, did his ministry tell general practices that they should increase the consultation fee for patients without a community services card, and has that resulted in an increased number of adults saying they avoid the GP because of cost? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231b1439717034b46b58e974502496f41\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: I think it would be very difficult to trace all of that causality. The member knows, I\u2019m sure, that increases in primary care visit fees are agreed with district health boards (DHBs) each year, and they are done within a range so that primary care providers cannot put up their fees by a dramatic amount from one year to the next. It\u2019s an incremental change as costs go up. The cost of visiting primary care can go up a little bit each year. That\u2019s the historic pattern; these are private businesses. But there is an agreement in place with DHBs to ensure that they don\u2019t rise rapidly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002232f2114e0ee74a05aab55006b82d3c11\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Will he resign as Minister of Health if the next survey shows that the GP fees changes in Budget 2018 have not resulted in his expected reduction?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229f400753103c4143af8c6a093d5d6074\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: I think what is absolutely clear is that the New Zealand Health Survey has tracked a historic trend where people feel it has been unaffordable to get primary care. This Government is doing something about that. We are not afraid to tackle the big challenges that that Government sat on the sidelines and watched get worse for nine long years of neglect. Shame on them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022dd844769122142be8cb35e440fb4429b\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022 data-id=\u00227f932c6932ed40c5b311267e853e2834\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227f932c6932ed40c5b311267e853e2834\u0022\u003EANAHILA KANONGATA\u2019A-SUISUIKI (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: What progress, if any, is being made to improve care and rehabilitation for Aucklanders who suffer a stroke?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022 data-id=\u00220e4b83c1e8d04a7192798336424b9c49\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220e4b83c1e8d04a7192798336424b9c49\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E Good news. High-quality care and rehabilitation for the 9,000 New Zealanders who suffer a stroke each year and support for their wh\u0101nau is a priority for this Government. We\u2019re making progress in tackling the contributors to stroke, but there is a pressing need to expand care and rehabilitation services due to population growth and demographic changes. That\u2019s why I was very pleased to confirm $30 million in Crown funding for a new integrated stroke and rehabilitation unit at Auckland City Hospital last Thursday. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267b035541487402e97c230a69447276d\u0022\u003EAnahila Kanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/span\u003E: How will this new facility make a difference to the lives of New Zealanders who have suffered a stroke?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ee9618a928e4af49b5c6bdefb41b2ef\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: Stroke care is currently delivered in different parts of Auckland City Hospital, with acute care split between two wards and rehabilitation provided elsewhere. Co-locating these services in a new, purpose-built, 41-bed unit will help to improve continuity of care for patients and reduce the overall time spent in hospital.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226faf354dbacc4fab9199fba54536d040\u0022\u003EAnahila Kanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/span\u003E: How will this project help stroke victims outside of Auckland District Health Board (DHB)?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c9f20cf507d34fb49a1aa70a1a6eb3d8\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: Well, Auckland DHB\u2019s stroke unit is led by the internationally renowned neurologist Professor Alan Barber, who perfected the game-changing clot retrieval technique, which is vastly improving outcomes for many stroke sufferers. The clot retrieval service at Auckland City Hospital takes patients from the northern and midland regions as well as from the Auckland area. All of these patients will benefit from improved care at the new unit. This new stroke care and rehabilitation unit is the final large project funded from the $750 million we set aside in Budget 2018 for long-overdue investment in our hospitals and other health infrastructure.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c7738b8ac4fc41cebefcf10ce6b9a70b\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u2014Land Information\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022 data-id=\u0022c0b68d7d8c2847bc8b5cfe03fa051e99\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c0b68d7d8c2847bc8b5cfe03fa051e99\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENNETT (National\u2014Hamilton East)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Land Information: Does she stand by all her statements, actions, and decisions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022 data-id=\u0022cfe59cea9841411e854730608cdd6a3b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cfe59cea9841411e854730608cdd6a3b\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE (Minister for Land Information):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, in the context in which they were made or given.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e58612fdd362452b92747539b3cadff4\u0022\u003EHon David Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Are all mining applications now unsustainable under the Minister\u2019s economic test in the OceanaGold case that an \u201Cinvestment in [a] non-renewable resource extraction is inherently unsustainable.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b7af5edf4d047acb09f30d4e7f7b7fa\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: No, and I have previously approved an application for quarrying in Otago and for extracting sand in the Auckland region\u2014so no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201dc91efc0aa41f0b810f7adca2b8cbc\u0022\u003EHon David Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Why did she make that test and that definition in the OceanaGold decision, then?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bbbbe8d1adbd449a8c1f1ff567b053f0\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: Because I was applying the Overseas Investment Act\u2014the criteria in that Act where it is a privilege to buy land in New Zealand. Applicants have to show that they are providing a substantial and identifiable benefit. I did not consider that using 178 hectares of productive farmland to build a 60 hectare tailings impoundment to store 17 million tonnes of hazardous mining waste provided a substantial and identifiable benefit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002252eb115832ec4c2eb5d589a801cfb6ad\u0022\u003EHon David Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Did the Minister receive any written advice to approve the OceanaGold application, and if so, from whom?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8a750819eb84dd1bc524488a8fb6019\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: I received advice from the Overseas Investment Office. Their recommendation was to approve the application.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002210420429101643db99904393195d53eb\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: So when the Minister gave a negative weighting in her decision on OceanaGold\u2019s application, stating, \u201CThe acquisition of the land will enable more mining, and therefore more emissions, which could encumber New Zealand\u2019s transition to a net-zero emissions economy,\u201D, what emissions was she referring to?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d60485fdd1364a3593f70742cd3468e5\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: OceanaGold, in its own report in 2017, highlighted that mining in Waih\u012B produced 5,892 tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent in 2016 alone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225baa95f11ce64ccfacebced7b841590e\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: If she is aware that 25 percent of OceanaGold\u2019s Waih\u012B operation is already powered by electricity off the grid, with investigations well under way to increase that percentage, why is she so sure that they won\u2019t reduce their emissions any further?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239c7d926d4204e4e9d4f9f4e3a9fe458\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: Applications that the Minister for Land Information makes in relation to the Overseas Investment Act are about the purchase of land. It was the land purchase and the applicant\u2019s proposal to convert productive farmland into a 60 hectare tailings impoundment to store toxic mining waste which was what I took into account.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217426881328744e5b61ddadb8f3169a1\u0022\u003EJonathan Young\u003C/span\u003E: If that\u2019s the case, then why did the Minister refer to emissions and give a negative weighting to that, and out of the other applications, the four out of the 35 that she has declined, in which of those applications was use of diesel or petrol vehicles a consideration for her decision?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a31cd1863d614afdb61a63ff708b0869\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: In all of the applications, they are considered on a case by case basis. I take a sustainable, economic perspective when evaluating whether benefits are substantial and identifiable. If the Opposition doesn\u2019t want to consider contribution to climate change, perhaps they should consider the future of the planet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022cc1429665d074e0c86f19aca4d9e1ed5\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u2014Education\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u002264ce8101f91541b59a5bfb3b22fbee1b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002264ce8101f91541b59a5bfb3b22fbee1b\u0022\u003ENICOLA WILLIS (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Education: Can she confirm that despite the Prime Minister\u2019s announcement in May 2018 that 1,750 additional children would receive early intervention support in the next year, only 626 did; if so, does she take responsibility for failing to deliver on the Prime Minister\u2019s commitment?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u0022130e2b0104e24f5ebc703c1cc473e31c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022130e2b0104e24f5ebc703c1cc473e31c\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN (Associate Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E In answer to the second part of the question, I take responsibility for underestimating the devastating condition of early intervention support left to us by the previous Government after nine years of neglect. In answer to the first part of the question, yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ddcdab219af14ce8a8094467c4a6a5c0\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Can she confirm that, in every region of New Zealand, waiting times for early intervention support are greater now than they were in National\u2019s final year of office?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d59c725694c47668d38bfdf6e6f0d99\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: While I have those figures in front of me, it would take me some time to find the exact page with the exact year that the member is asking about, because region by region there have been variations in waiting time over the period of years the member has asked for in her written questions. So I would assume that she\u2019s picked a particular year and a particular region that she\u2019s asking for, and I cannot be that specific without referring to the report.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af41074d58954ef5b06eee85cd7b0b2e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member will ask the question again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c2f12ad1e70f4889b69fa6528ceb5366\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: The question was: can she confirm that, in every region of New Zealand, waiting times for early intervention support are greater now than they were in National\u2019s final year of office?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d657aae9a9534f33995f76e600c40bc2\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker, if you\u2019d give me a moment. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224fbc68abdb6242a38fd61485eaf028b0\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a6043830ce74b73857060d4bd31452c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Which member did that? Which member called out when the point of order had been called? The member will stand, withdraw, and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002293581be60f0847cca5939cd6d1039807\u0022\u003EAndrew Bayly\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e0ec466e5a6041bb934ea1f3f44d80df\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: There\u2019s always room for reasonable banter at question time, but what we\u2019re hearing from over there by way of that cacophony of sound is just simply unacceptable, and I\u2019m sure it\u2019s so for the public out there as well as anybody inside this Parliament right now who\u2019s got a conscientious need to hear what the Minister\u2019s got to answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d203eaebc8d4e15b46e5fabd632c500\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I don\u2019t often absolutely agree with the Deputy Prime\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f61b416b01a41a2b909a5ac0ce82f8c\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I would if I was you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022870e30d3f01e49d49382bd92e86116fa\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the member will stand, withdraw, and apologise now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239c73d151526400daa832aafb1488edf\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I apologise for saying \u201CI would if I was you.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d110f2b2a50424fb54a5d886af5de51\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022353a6546e3d941078ba767bf549a4bd2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, no, I\u2019m not finished yet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8b87ccb69d5461ba42fe7898299b712\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I apologise, Mr Speaker. I shouldn\u2019t have said that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022695a1de64b484800ac50e67fdf3003d5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Right. As I was about to rule, I asked the member to ask the question again in a way which was probably requiring more detail than would normally be expected with a question of this generality. I was being generous to the member, I was supporting the member, and I don\u2019t expect colleagues to guffaw while the Minister\u2019s trying to find the information\u2014frankly, more information than the vast majority of Ministers would\u2019ve brought down for this sort of question in the past. I think the normal reply to this from Ministers previously where we\u2019re talking about detailed regional figures by year would be a request to ask a specific question, and that would\u2019ve been reasonable. The member didn\u2019t do it. I\u2019m now going to ask Tracey Martin if she\u2019s found the correct page.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220003f012c0e044c2ad2b0d8c68d5f735\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: I believe I have, Mr Speaker. I am advised that the tables that have been provided to the member show the waiting list data the ministry holds for early intervention services between 2012 and now are variable because there was a different system and a different format; so it\u2019s not 100 percent comparable. However, I believe the member is specifically asking about the 2016-17 year, and, therefore, my understanding is that the early intervention support waiting list numbers were at 2,849. In the 2018-19 year, they were at 2,721, according to the table provided to the member under her written question No. 16803.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291b08c0970fd4caaacb67ff706b36b87\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: So does the Minister stand by her answer to written question No. 16745, which shows that, in every region of New Zealand, average waiting times for early intervention support are greater in the 2018-19 financial year than they were in the 2016-17 financial year, and what does that say about the year of delivery?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229cebc936989243f7a23a2bb217a0f692\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member for actually identifying the written question she wants me to answer on, because that is helpful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264b4066551e048f2a5527e07620484fa\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019ve already answered it. You should know what\u2019s in it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244888801172f465cbf40080717852bc9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I haven\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222cc33d9e5aec4b249c3bc861d8c6781a\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: So, in answer to the member\u2019s question \u201CDo you stand by the answer to written question No. 16745?\u201D, yes, I do now that she has been clear about what she is addressing. In the 2016-17 financial year, the average was 71.34 days. In the 2018-19 year, the average is 105.91 days. I would, however, point out the increases that I\u2019ve mentioned previously, for which there was no planning under that member\u2019s Government, and also that even though the wait times are greater, because more staff have been employed, there has actually been an increase in the number of children seen even though certain wait times have increased.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d75ed0aafad9497aba4da5b24c81fce1\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: What does the Minister say to the family in the Waikato region that was forced to wait 462 days for early intervention support, and will the Minister act to ensure that never happens again?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230d57b977c3c4f56b16bf317710e2445\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: I would like that member to send to my office the specific family she\u2019s talking about. If she is referring to the average length of time that was in the written answer sent to her about one particular family, then, again, I answered that question. There was a family in Wellington, for example\u2014remembering that I don\u2019t know the family this member is talking about\u2014who were on record: their child was waiting for 438 days. Why was that? It was because, when the referral was put forward, the parent then contacted the service and asked us to put it on hold. It remains open as a referral. By the time the ministry went back to the family, the family said, \u201CWe no longer need the service, because we have had other supports.\u201D So, without the specific detail of that specific family, I cannot confirm whether this family\u2019s situation is the same as the one in Wellington or not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209d483bf948349218c735ddf1d391625\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Why did the Government make such a specific commitment to children needing early intervention support if it did not have an achievable plan for delivering that and if it is clear that waiting times and lists have only grown since that commitment was made?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9a35995f9bd44019e203faf601a3065\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: The Government made a commitment because we want to make a difference for these family, and we underestimated how much the Public Service cap had affected the workforce. These are public servants that the previous Government put a cap on so that no more could be hired even though, in that period of time, there was an increase in the need.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a66e52fb057e482085103100fa9da5f6\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Stop making it up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022534f035292f447a3864289e2bdbfc5b5\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d14047a803434b219f6113a6a18545dd\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, I\u2019m going to ask Mr Brownlee to withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e380da1537d46669a97e3b47c3a69e3\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002220917fd6660042ecb7a165194075b5c8\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm that the trend for a number of years has been for the wait times for all forms of learning support to be increasing, and that one of the biggest constraints to dealing with that increase in wait times for those services\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261144d73ea6940adbc8b1581f515a372\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: That is not true.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002215e3e89d3ed44cdda86ccccb7994cf3f\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014has been the lack of specialist staff to undertake the necessary assessments?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b46487c3d59b4ab59ccabee019ff8cb0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Right, before the member answers, Nicola Willis will stand, withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef1cb9a185bc4e6690aed29ef5710b02\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: I stand, withdraw, and apologise. I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c8aa99c0f777463cbea38977d13479fd\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, you can\u2019t have a point of order. We\u2019re going to have this question answered. If the member has a further one after that, we\u2019ll take it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022561da54fbc9b44c79cf85258f78c38f0\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: As I have informed the House previously under this line of questioning, we have had large percentage increases in the children that need this support. There was not the workforce developed to address that need under the previous Government, so it will take us some time to address the issues left behind.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246953025f83642089d22ad4492345fbd\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek your guidance; I\u2019m a new member\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285fdd4ff17344ad093ef72a6f98e6a14\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Now, whoever made that noise will stand, withdraw, and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fed5ee7e03374b19ad837a6eb1ddd37d\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: I stand, withdraw, and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022283c2beb43d5430ca91a2a7e3ac38c94\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, the member knows how to do it. He\u2019s had plenty of experience. Do it properly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228617c297a1704275a117e7eb82eaf9ba\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise, sir.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002275efbcc00e2e4f1883c8d30e35fefb5d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. Now, Ms Willis, if you have a specific point of order, you should make it, but I do want to warn the member that prefaces like that don\u2019t go down very well with someone who\u2019s been so long in the buildings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d0e7bf8e14147b09a7eb593d53ae4a7\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Understood. My point of order is this: the Minister of Education just said in the House that the trend is for waiting times to be increasing across areas of early intervention support. I have, in the supplementary questions and in written questions, referred to specific data that shows that the trend, under National, was that those waiting times were reducing, and yet, under Labour, they have increased. The point of guidance I am seeking from you is how can it be that the Minister of Education is allowed to make such a false statement in this House when I have in front of me written question data which demonstrates that the statement he made is incorrect?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287526d89561144028a26a03f803ec5aa\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And the member has a very important and valid point, and that is that assertions should not be made as part of supplementary questions unless members are absolutely certain that they are accurate, because we do have a degree of trust on all of us, and, as the member knows, as all members know, as questions are submitted in writing, for the primary questions there\u2019s a lot of work that goes on to make sure that they are properly authenticated. If the member has a view that something has been misleading, then she\u2019s probably already indicated to the Minister that it is, and it\u2019s incumbent on him to do some fact checking now. But I do want to warn members that there are a lot more questions which happen from my left, and a lot more supplementaries occur from my left, and if we have a very tight system, it won\u2019t necessarily help those who want to make detailed inquiries of the Government if they have to provide authentication for supplementary questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cecc4243d8ce4dd7aacec50f64731742\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I\u2019m absolutely confident on the supplementary question that I asked; however, the point of order that you just allowed Nicola Willis to raise at some length was completely out of order. If a member is concerned that a member has misled the House, there is only one course of action they can do in order to raise that, and it is not by point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221711fb469da2427babc7624ea6339670\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That is the case if a member is convinced that a member is deliberately misleading the House. I don\u2019t think, at any stage, Ms Willis suggested that. That is a breach of privilege. I was working on the basis that Ms Willis thought that the Minister had made a mistake, and, in that case, that\u2019s not a breach of privilege, but if it\u2019s a mistake it\u2019s still something that, if it\u2019s found to be the case, has to be corrected.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b4fa8156cfe4e1cb428317882da651d\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac9e49691c0a43719d985ce68d6f60d0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I have dealt with the point of order. Is there a further supplementary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002245fc3f6445e94ba4b460ce10577c3313\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Will she share with the Minister of Education her answer to written question No. 16745, which shows that, in the years between 2013-14 and 2016-17, waiting times for early intervention support were declining but that, in the financial year 2018-19, waiting times had increased from 71 days to 106 days?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002292f51fefc522479e96ecc550e0ff31f4\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: I always share with the Minister of Education whenever he seeks me to do so. I would note, however, that between 2014-15 in Te Tai Tokerau and 2016-17 there had been an increase.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a505314277c449e883292e609a7a300f\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u2014Police\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u00221258f14948044a069195c4fea45fa754\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221258f14948044a069195c4fea45fa754\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National\u2014Hutt South)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Police: Does he stand by all statements, policies, and actions of the Police in relation to the theft of 11 guns from the Palmerston North police station?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u0022dd2d81e935b745c881fe1a8750223654\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dd2d81e935b745c881fe1a8750223654\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister of Police):\u003C/span\u003E As I said yesterday to a very similar question, yes, I expect the commissioner to ensure the law is followed. The role of the Minister and the role of police are very clearly defined in section 16 of the Policing Act. Enforcement, investigation, and prosecution are quite properly the responsibility of the commissioner, and this includes information-gathering methods. In regard to the Palmerston North burglary, that is clearly within the domain of the commissioner. As I also said yesterday, there is an active criminal investigation, and the matter is before the courts. Speaker\u2019s ruling 177/1 and 177/2 reinforce that it is not in the public interest for me to comment while that investigation is under way and risk compromising what is before the court.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc3da2c04e9f4a2c9cdbbe7fed1cb783\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Is it correct that the person who stole the firearms from Palmerston North police station moved a skip bin next to the side gate at the rear of the station, jumped the fence, walked in an open garage door, and stole the firearms from a poorly secured exhibit room, then exited the station and loaded the firearms into his car?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225331e38bd3a74503ae6490d19d2480d2\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not too sure if the member heard my answer to the primary. I have a very clear expectation that the Commissioner of Police will follow the law and will ensure that the operational integrity of his force is maintained. This is not my responsibility.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d75541ad88a444de8150e2b51fedbec7\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Why were the 11 firearms stolen from Palmerston North police station contained in an exhibit room rather than the secure firearms safe in the firearms room upstairs next to the front counter?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246729ea15ead417184aa8799c04c4dd5\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: If I was to comment on every single live investigation, we would open a Pandora\u2019s Box. Does that member wish me to know the details of, for example, social media investigations against MPs, etc.? I do not know\u2014nor is it acceptable, nor is it right or proper for me to know\u2014the details of every single police investigation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f5babe5d25440fb830e7e189c390edc\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Has he asked police if they paid for the return of some or all of the eight firearms recovered from those stolen from Palmerston North police station; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a52f93aca29440c9b6c520e5681f4eb\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Actually, in preparation for this question, I sought advice from police on this case. They came back with the following: \u201CIt is not in the public interest to disclose the specifics of some information-gathering methods, as that could put public safety at risk.\u201D Now, in any investigation, whether or not payment has been made, I would not discuss details in the House\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf770328358241e38626b0304a37ac58\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Buy-back plus!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e62f1f67ba849fbb53a6bf1c5cf9938\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014as it would be reckless and irresponsible, Mr Brownlee, and could put lives at risk. I do not know, nor should I know, this type of detail. As I said yesterday to this question, it is up to the Commissioner of Police.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3b860990bb74e1490af5873a7da5606\u0022\u003EHon Grant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister received any advice on how many times Ministers of Police in previous Governments have used the phrase \u201CThat is an operational matter and I can\u2019t answer\u201D during his time in Parliament?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277a85d4107e143879e046a974e5cee61\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: If I was to list every single date that previous Ministers of Police in the last Government used that, I would be pulled up by the Speaker for an out of order answer that was too long.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad83bcf412724cb7b585132c0ae9b3e1\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Why did he say yesterday, \u201CYou know what? I have no idea, and I don\u2019t really want to know.\u201D\u2014regarding police payment for firearms stolen from them\u2014and why does he think that is an acceptable attitude from the Minister of Police given the significant public interest in this matter?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d92962dde72646558e0d0e320df31924\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: In any investigation, whether or not payment has been made, I would not discuss details in the House or with the media as it would be reckless and irresponsible\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c10c84ac405419a9260d929e2a70fc1\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Rubbish! It\u2019s called accountability for public money.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222fbaa9b288094e2ea01a1f3d608d7e0b\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and it could put lives at risk, Dr Smith. I do not know, nor should I know, this type of detail, and, as I said yesterday, this is a question for the Commissioner of Police.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225f1696a3899d4248bfbcace2bdb37f41\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Is it the position that he\u2019s taken that the separation of powers\u2014that is, in this case, between the police and their Minister\u2014is essential for a democratic Government but not a fascist Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab698899fbb64739b52e96a9c2d9f26c\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: That is a very good point. Not only is it essential but it is actually outlined in section 16 of the Policing Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002209d7d3e31fb64666bddd3d279d30f0b1\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u2014Police\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u002246886c08ad054a7c959da2d1c57f8ab8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002246886c08ad054a7c959da2d1c57f8ab8\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR (Labour\u2014\u014Ch\u0101riu)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Police: What recent announcements has he made about making it easier for the public to get in touch with Police for non-emergency events?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u0022ca21ff3bcbcd4210802b68cbd51a1575\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ca21ff3bcbcd4210802b68cbd51a1575\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister of Police):\u003C/span\u003E I am happy to inform him that, since the concept was first floated in 2005, New Zealand now has a 24/7 non-emergency number\u2014105. Since it was launched 13 days ago, police have answered more than 14,000 calls to 105\u2014on average, 85 percent caller satisfaction. With the 105 non-emergency number and the 105 online reporting, we\u2019re hoping to build trust and confidence in police by giving New Zealanders a simple new way\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022914230dab8f142fc8f4a0a7d5704e4a5\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: What about a gun price list?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222febd821e9a245f49ac871467c4b4eb0\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014to report situations that don\u2019t require an urgent or immediate response. Fantastic news, Mr Brownlee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e110dc27da1a48b18b6ac1811b52cd6d\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: What events would warrant a call to 105 rather than 111?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239b2f1c5f1514465ba172e68b97b4a20\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, hang on, that\u2019s a bit operational!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea3cefecc71f44d29dc1025dc95dc39e\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: The easiest way to break it down\u2014[Interruption] Does the Opposition want to know?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e2af37d460044f8a31db0207ebe4ae9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Oh, look. Order! Is there something in the Christchurch water at the moment? Those two members should settle down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4e99efd1c51405799907185c743524b\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. There is indeed chlorine in the Christchurch water at the moment. It\u2019s an utter disgrace. It shouldn\u2019t be there, and the council should move to get rid of it as quickly as possible.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a20178f61eeb41858202557974e1f7a6\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, we\u2019ll have to look at Mr Yule and see what it\u2019s like up there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc401d419a9148499cf882c961fd15ea\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. For the first time ever, I agree with that member. There\u2019s chlorine in the Napier water. It should never be there, and it should be removed immediately.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277b35ea5d3b94b99bfc1e695b0c3ac7c\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister provide other examples of emergency or non-emergency situations where help might be needed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022accfa48c4feb4577b3727eb8465f5f7a\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: When the guns are stolen from police stations!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b9f105b6e5f4ccf82ab996cc7228f2e\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Settle down. If it\u2019s happening now, call 111. If it\u2019s a non-emergency event, call 105. Or you could try other methods to defuse a heated situation, as two members of the Opposition did last week by shifting the blame on to others by saying they had \u201Clittle choice\u201D but to vote with their party on gun reform and then stating that police were \u201Cbullying people.\u201D\u2014despicable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238f8e91b5b1f458ba69786e95cec32cc\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I just seek your guidance because the Minister, not five minutes ago, was making it very clear he wouldn\u2019t comment on operational matters, and we\u2019ve now had a series of supplementary questions from Government members in which the Minister\u2019s gone into quite some detail about the operation of the 105 and 111 police response lines\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d60857ef1e36421d9f4817f0abaabedb\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, the member will resume his seat. In this particular case, the Minister is not revealing operational details of cases but the policy as to which line should be used by the public. I think it\u2019s in the region of a public service announcement, not an operational detail, and I think the member is well enough across the portfolio area to know the difference. Any furthers on that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a65f853f796e46a182e3b06d9fb95b53\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u2014Police\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u0022140931978d2c40db9bc836a7acf4c529\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022140931978d2c40db9bc836a7acf4c529\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Police: Did he make the statement on TVNZ One News in December in response to the launch of Matthew\u2019s Petition urgently seeking the introduction of random roadside drug testing so as to reduce the escalating road toll from drugged drivers, \u201CThere\u2019s a discussion document that\u2019s been approved by Cabinet\u201D; if so, was the statement correct at that time?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u0022240142f0f1784e268c56699fa248c5f3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022240142f0f1784e268c56699fa248c5f3\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister of Police):\u003C/span\u003E Yes. Cabinet had approved public consultation via a discussion document in relation to drug-driving. Subsequent to that, officials drafted a document. Cabinet signed off the document in February this year for release in March, subject to final editorial changes. All of this information has been proactively released and, as the member knows, it is available on the transport website. I am not sure, however, if the previous Government has proactively released their Cabinet decisions from April and November 2016 where they rejected proposals around drug-driving off the back of a review in 2014.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226541a8bbc7d744ad8ee6630101175d6d\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: How can he stand by a statement saying there\u2019s a discussion document that\u2019s been approved by Cabinet, a statement made in December 2018, when the document is referred in January as a draft and when Cabinet only approved it in late February?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261e29a07b3544fbb8349ab3f5ddf1c28\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: I suggest the member listens to my words: Cabinet had approved public consultation via a discussion document in relation to drug-driving.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bafc2df06b3d4d7d920b876299fd30c1\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Had Cabinet in December approved the discussion document?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022364fce7de6694000b34e1f3eaf8ec9a4\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll say again: Cabinet had approved public consultation via a discussion document in relation to drug-driving. Subsequent to that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205f3d4de1cef44e9a48a5892926abf3f\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002276a3fdac7bc448a993fbe590be6918b4\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014officials drafted a document\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022904ee212dd67421880ace946745ff75d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, resume your seat. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002289d2a9239376408685cf4551bc94d9a8\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I have now used, on a previous occasion and on this occasion, five questions to ask a simple question: was the discussion document approved? What the Minister keeps doing is saying \u201Ca consultation process\u201D. Now, this is the same Minister that\u2019s told my colleague Chris Bishop that he needs to be accurate with words. I am being accurate with words; I ask the Minister to do the same. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f6be5e4fb8b44fcb7a778b6053177a0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, and the member has been here long enough to know that that may well be an appropriate point of order to make at the completion of the supplementary answer, not by way of interrupting it. I mean, the member might consider it a bit of a miracle if he\u2019s satisfied with an answer, but we\u2019ve got to give the Minister a chance. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eac0ef02e3854550af4b4ff7c03c2924\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: As I mentioned, Cabinet had approved public consultation via a discussion document in relation to drug-driving. I would say that I do find the line of questioning from that member rather rich, considering the previous National Government knew this was a problem in 2009\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229786ba79f0124dfeb2cafb2e729a3ef5\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002260d83c79a3c34551b8bd19825df34985\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and rejected Labour\u2019s initiative\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e78a4a84dacc465092943c16e98870e5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b848d4ec46ab49e6a21d6c8835535919\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014to deal with this 10 years ago. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0ddd2e178d548618145c73565dd0ae9\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I stand by the point that you asked me to make and that was: my question five times now and in the question on notice was about a discussion document. The Minister has not addressed the question of the timing of the discussion document being approved by Cabinet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1a89f505b5448088f5bedfafd3ba3ad\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order\u2014look, can I just say that if you read what was said in December, there\u2019s a discussion document that\u2019s been approved by Cabinet. Then ask yourself: is there such a record of an agreement for there to be a discussion document and is that itself the document? There are many ways to answer this question and he\u2019s being pedantic and stupidly semantic, if I might suggest.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d7b0261c8e2473bac0f00a53280ad28\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd86f8301a1c4c31a8e2a765540a69b8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ll stay with this point of order rather than a new one, can we?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229320e9dc13ce4d8e8f72b51ba6e59bb5\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Well, this is the same point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c40bba2155e44b85a91c180ed5d4698a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The same point that Dr Smith has raised?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f3e1d678fcae48bca2fe21a2ecec8f26\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I simply want to make it clear to the Rt Hon Winston Peters that the question here really goes to the heart of whether a document existed at the time it was claimed to exist. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd9cf555b25d4b67ba3c18c46fb3e52f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And I\u2019m going to go right back to the ruling that I made the last time Dr Smith interrupted a question, and that is that we\u2019ve got to give the Minister a chance to finish. Continue, Mr Nash.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227869bd1e044148de82413a4857bed91d\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Look, I\u2019m going to repeat what I\u2019ve said about three or four times, and I hope I make this clear. Cabinet had approved public consultation via a discussion document in relation to drug-driving. Subsequent to that, officials drafted a document. Cabinet signed off the document in February this year for release in March, subject to final editorial changes. So, yes, Cabinet had approved public consultation via a discussion document.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4c126d5e09d419484a012869028e576\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Why did the proposals for introducing random roadside drug-testing from police and transport officials sit on Ministers\u2019 desks for 17 months before being approved\u2014a period in which another 100 New Zealanders died from drug-driving? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227ea8251f3ae4530bccb2355548e0109\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not too sure if the member is referring to the Cabinet documents drafted and presented to the Cabinet in which that member sat twice in 2016 and rejected, or if he is referring to a discussion document which I had a look at, which was woefully incomplete and inadequate. So is it the Cabinet papers that your Cabinet rejected, Dr Smith? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223c3d76d5f62f42bb9510b8466ba8c50d\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by the statement in the Cabinet paper he signed, which says, \u201CThe technology of roadside drug testing has improved markedly since Cabinet last considered the issue in 2016.\u201D and that \u201Cfatalities have since sharply escalated\u201D; if so, why is he now saying that the previous Cabinet had it wrong? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b253cba01cef472b85803d1d5e4feb5f\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: I am saying the previous Government had it wrong in 2009 when it rejected a fantastic Labour initiative which, in fact, would have made the introduction of roadside drug testing much more streamlined than it is today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224841b890e7ef48d9a54b9b5c9924542a\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Has he seen the research in the New Zealand Listener that road fatalities from cannabis-impaired drivers increased by 145 percent in Colorado following legalisation; if so, how is legalisation of cannabis consistent with the police goal of a zero road toll? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022181a8634701e4e328b396407581c5914\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not sure the Listener is a research document, but I get into trouble if I say too much about that! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b56f32465164ec7845bda290c23170c\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, I don\u2019t know what the member is talking about when he\u2019s talking about the legalisation of cannabis. This Government has not proposed the legalisation of cannabis, so it\u2019s hypothetical. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227e3ad858b6c4bf291d21f48efe170c7\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Will he give an assurance that random roadside drug-testing will be introduced prior to any of the Government\u2019s moves to liberalise access to recreational drugs taking effect\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258d9b30d21bc463cb140a5c1635026d4\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fdcec2f6b61540db920ecabc82422c67\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. We\u2019ll wait until the end of the question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4558960d72243d0a951e98fce9e45f4\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll start again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f0af963980f4b5796a48e1b019fc0f0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, just keep going from where the member interrupted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b9a047431674f95bde6bc476ffd2df1\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I am going to start again, because\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad56d3a38e5a4f5280cdb3e1d0a2b634\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member, if he wants to have the supplementary, will continue from the\u2014and the member will sit down while I\u2019m standing up. If the member wants to continue with the supplementary, which might well yet be ruled out of order if he doesn\u2019t get it order, the member will continue. He won\u2019t start again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e69d7aa7e9ba46d59d4ab5ff6d4f2152\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014such as the amendment to the Misuse of Drugs Act, which removes the capacity to prosecute for the possession of drugs such as meth and cannabis? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f83be148f91c41e79253a8dcf7ada6b4\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The member prefaced his question by saying it was a Government move. The fact of the matter is that such a matter is a condition subsequent to a referendum. It is for the people to decide. It is not a Government move, and, therefore, the question should be ruled out. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fdf29c1b70d14d0597808c86cc4e84c1\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order, the Hon Dr Nick Smith. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213981bb204db4936860a08b7b4402d55\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: My question specifically referred to the amendments to the Misuse of Drugs Act. That is an amendment that is before the House. It is a Government bill. It is separate to the question of the referendum, and both the Police Association as well as the New Zealand Law Society say that it amounts to decriminalisation of possession. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f12f7e02985f4cd99e88f38e081c4450\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Answering the question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b1d5d502de743518876a51248cf3f3c\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: I do not consider what we are proposing under the Misuse of Drugs Act to be a liberalisation of drugs whatsoever. What we are doing is we are taking synthetic cannabinoids and actually putting them into class A under the Misuse of Drugs Act, which will allow the police to go a hell of a lot harder against those who are dealing, supplying, and importing synthetic cannabis into our community. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205bb0537a0fb40e2a140b434c5952383\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm that the amendment to the Misuse of Drugs Act, which is currently before the Health Committee, still allows for the prosecution of those who are using or who are in possession of drugs but provides and formalises that police discretion? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022708753c7e5c845ffb59d3e4977cd76b3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! While it comes close to one of the previous supplementaries, it\u2019s not within the range of the primary question or the other ones. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a3f3480e1a64c819271f64d45603dcf\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister stand by his statement that the introduction of roadside drug-testing is urgent and \u201Cneeds to be rushed\u201D; if so, why did the discussion document prepared by police and transport officials sit on his desk for 17 months? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b30d14793c8a4e76a3329ec7c9cf2ead\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: It did not sit on my desk for 17 months. There was a discussion document, which was woefully inadequate, but what I would say is we do take this very seriously. The previous Government blocked a move in 2009 to deal with this. In 2016, the previous National Government rejected two Cabinet papers. We take this very seriously. That is why this Government is doing something about it when that Government had nine years and did nothing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224cf2db4f41754515ab2116432c3b57ca\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm the difference between the impairment of somebody on a substance and the presence of a substance in somebody\u2019s system? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002232636618ace44da0b799c2825849c842\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Well, what I would say is that the New Zealand Police already undertakes a compulsory impairment test when they suspect that someone is driving under the influence of drugs, so to say that there is no drug testing at the moment is, in fact, incorrect. What this Government is looking to do is use technology in a way that will allow us to be a lot more accurate in testing impairment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed61233af48e474a8b9d74806e00eca4\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Why did his office tell Newshub that I had refused to work with him on the introduction of random roadside drug-testing when I had repeatedly stated publicly that National would support any of our bills or Government bills to achieve that, and the only communication between our offices was my invitation for him to meet with affected families and his reply, refusing to do so? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224901170bdf5e4683a9c4512b14035e94\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: What I can say is we take this so seriously that when the member Alastair Scott had a member\u2019s bill\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223cfa5d0a46314e3a8b94cb0200d6e51f\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Who? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a97f68534089494190d0d61d88b36b79\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014Alastair Scott\u2014I met with Mr Scott and offered to work closely with him to ensure that his bill was fit for purpose. But the advice that I received\u2014which I handed on to Mr Scott\u2014from the New Zealand Police was that his bill was too narrow to make a difference. I offered to work with him to widen the scope of the bill so we could work together on this, and he said no. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022417c7b84887d4e3bbd5cf63e8797f00e\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: If this is the case, was the 17-month document, which it is claimed he left lying unread on his desk, the one refused by the previous administration\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221fb60b6c1d8349038791ade5285a39d7\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: No, it wasn\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f7b4143fd884a279e92b109f6164ffa\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and for the same reasons he was not reading it himself?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab9a1a0d89a14f1ab2be012e375e6c71\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Who interjected then?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228175355e7641417da1fcb992bfaa4d73\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: He did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022efb2dfe2dc3148c2a94c053a4c2dcc1e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It happened again. Who interjected?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225442a2e4b8594d46b3087649cb6623e1\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226238c6dd9c944244b8af3ab519ca0a12\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Did the member interject?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022002f440c28d942058a0e0a07356c115d\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e343a69b06da40ab8662c5da801435ae\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member will withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224bce3b49c29d4a15863d800742089ccc\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise. I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Why is it acceptable for the Deputy Prime Minister to interrupt my questions but not the other way round?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225d433051ca094e3db3cf5d8dad13d22a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I ruled against the Deputy Prime Minister when he interrupted the member. I repeatedly ruled against that member for interrupting questions that were out of order, and I\u2019m not sure whether he is being deliberately\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f286b0f765374d4fb7ba6a04bff6e3b5\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Obtuse.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa48b276188648b0812acfe801fed70c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I can\u2019t think of an appropriate word. It\u2019s not that one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c95ff15d18494e81acf85fe056a0ba05\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Provocative.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002262d8efb419584467a1753b344b5ae76c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Provocative; that\u2019s a good word. Thank you\u2014and the fact that I wasn\u2019t standing means that you can interrupt to support me. I can\u2019t work out if the member\u2019s being deliberately provocative, but I\u2019ll give him the generosity of thinking that he wasn\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224fdd74b5a69f4ad59bafcbba0371b663\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257cb63c26ff84e97b712b2e8679406fc\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, sorry. We\u2019ve got an answer to give here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236e1fc40ad5145f7863111448b1e0718\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Look, I just want to reiterate yet again, the previous National Government knew this was a problem in 2009\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002254bdb914042e48128a69826fba0d831d\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228da9fb1aea3845f89043e497ad643dee\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014they did nothing about it then. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002279326eecb4f14edb919d4bcc0f1535e8\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd5a444fcca84a648033949647f1d1d5\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: There were two Cabinet documents\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af969800fdbb4d0983b1699081012f05\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258ea1c8a1cad42159623b82b59c3d690\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002249aabb3207a44e63bcd9dc75b7a87e78\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. There\u2019s a long set of Speakers\u2019 rulings that say it\u2019s not appropriate for questions to be asked to give the opportunity for a Minister to have a whack at a previous Government or the Opposition. We have now had three questions on this subject in which false claims have been made about the steps that were made by the previous Government, as evidenced by the quote that I made of the Minister\u2019s own Cabinet paper.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c85544ebc614a43a5a84e683486c18c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK. I was getting pretty close to agreeing with the member when he accused one of the two Ministers of making a false claim. At that point, he lost it. The Minister will answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223cf7eda9bc654e5bba1b69df8d6140c7\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I would like that member to let me know which claim I have made is false.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a7c9bc42959447dbf1abb3a29bd278c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, no. The member will answer the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022176a52cbb55545f09d72345b2fbcb693\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve forgotten the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cea940c0f35e4f349b85d80a94ee8bc8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m going to ask the Deputy Prime Minister to remind the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273d5a5355fce40eba82b78ef2b9eaa4e\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: To the Minister of Police, just to make it clear: the document that sat there for 17 long months was because it was utterly deficient and he began to work on something that would be worthwhile into the future?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002272a4af2b31de47c284ffc5c065a0935a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That wasn\u2019t quite it, but it was close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002242818b9c0cf74de3a1d637a546f1cffc\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: The Deputy Speaker is dead-right; the document that\u2014[Interruption] The Deputy Prime Minister is dead-right; the document that we inherited from the previous Government was woefully inadequate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226bf11aa867644135a546d2ec8096f68c\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Why will the Minister not release the original discussion document drafted by police and transport, that the Deputy Prime Minister now says is deficient?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e9c82804b0c4c1cae404a79936e0e94\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m confused. This member has said that I inherited a document from his Government, and now he\u2019s asked me to release it. Goodness me, Dr Smith! I am sure that you had something to do with that\u2014it\u2019s probably why it was so deficient.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238405c88fa3544009f6e333bd658b688\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. This is a very serious issue involving 70 lives that are lost per year. This Government received a discussion document from transport and police officials in December 2017. The Minister has refused to release that. My question, which I asked him to answer, was \u201CWhy would he not release that discussion document prepared by police and transport?\u201D That\u2019s a reasonable question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b15c3f7ae53748f99927ec3f0457f82b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I want to just get an assurance to make sure that we\u2019re completely online. The member has asked for its release under the Official Information Act (OIA) and it has been refused?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228db3de36236d45fabc106b1f1fa40b92\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: It has not yet been answered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022749d7602d85541019e25a1a361bf403c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s out of time?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d2094ed02d140049ea35cf1241ed806\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I would need to check with my\u2014[Interruption] I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The question of whether the document has been released or not\u2014the fact is that the Deputy Prime Minister has made claims about the deficiency of that document that was prepared by police and by transport. So it\u2019s a perfectly reasonable question to say to the Government, \u201CWell, release it.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002292fe2310ad814c94aafc0663a8e0d432\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member said, \u201CWhy had he not released it\u201D and to me it sounded like the Minister had actually refused to release it, as opposed to\u2014or made a decision about it. Given the description of it and my experience of the Act, I\u2019m sure it will be forthcoming. If it\u2019s been studied so closely for its inadequacy, it must be in the Minister\u2019s office and I expect it to be delivered under the Official Information Act, of course which I have no responsibility for. But I\u2019m sure if it\u2019s been properly requested, it will be over in the next couple of days.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209ab52663092477596fb7778a7d4b26a\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I just want to reiterate that there are no OIAs sitting in my office that are overdue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227cc45e34141a4030b1a70404e0a9a56e\u0022\u003EHon Julie Anne Genter\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. It just might be helpful for the House to say that the discussion document and all of the documents that were related to that were released under the Official Information Act by my office over a year ago, in fact, to his colleague Chris Bishop as well as some journalists.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226aa164a6c66649c587faabfc4fc7ec4a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK. Well, that was not a point of order. Now, a supplementary question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267ac36cf0c254cc1be852d33cf07da56\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The final discussion document has been publicly released; the draft that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to has not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223dfe0bd4a6ba4efb9ef933b175e0b040\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: There\u2019s a very clear difference, and I hope the House has been given accurate information.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227da2962c842f40ec9ac08cabae5dc542\u0022\u003EPersonal Explanation\u2014Question No. 9 to Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022215427370b1b4d489f653ca86e765707\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022215427370b1b4d489f653ca86e765707\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to make a personal explanation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e167b99521134b8498a480ffae4e1e7c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Relating to?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297c0d6601109445399a21cda4f820882\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Relating to an answer given by Mr Nash yesterday and today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e62e23f13d4a49508ed266bfecdb4bbf\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That affects the member personally?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bcba65fc8c9a408ab7771fd1b58c6ef7\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Yes\u2014an accusation. Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e0ec6b5904a54ab99b31815c275e2ada\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m putting that leave to the House. Is there any objection? There is not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220725f5c3302a4b57a86f904cfe5d5788\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Both yesterday and today, the Minister of Police has said that at a meeting in Te Awamutu last Monday, I publicly said that the police were bullying people, in particular licensed firearm owners. I let that go yesterday when that accusation was made. It was repeated again in question time today. There is no record of me saying that, and I utterly reject the accusation that I said that. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287f5eec437124eebb71764bdd862ae79\u0022\u003EHon Stuart Nash\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022b127bfdfe73f4366952552e0b5b4ee18\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b127bfdfe73f4366952552e0b5b4ee18\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking\u2014well, a point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002204ac861e9a3c4a268bd500c4883d81c8\u0022\u003EHon Stuart Nash\u003C/span\u003E: Well, can I speak\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285eb1da1663d4507bb583f9e4c9f5baa\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no. The member has given his word to the House. It\u2019s not something the member can argue with. It\u2019s a very serious matter if it\u2019s inaccurate, but the member doesn\u2019t bring it up now if he\u2019s disagreeing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u002252d555b2042c426585506d1bd64410d3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002252d555b2042c426585506d1bd64410d3\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister of Police):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I take these matters very seriously as well. That member has put down my source in a written question, and my office is in the process of replying to that written question in a way which may, in fact, enlighten him as to where this came from.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00221040243296f14b9393415083667a94f3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221040243296f14b9393415083667a94f3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, that\u2019s not a point of order, and it\u2019s not appropriate. I\u2019m getting a bit sick of it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c702a27ee072487387ef8781f7978a6e\u0022\u003EUrgent Debates Declined\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002242dfa7068709491086e59078ee06abb2\u0022\u003ECrown Debt Target\u2014Proposed Changes\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022014f362b29c34a4fbab00135675dd2f0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022014f362b29c34a4fbab00135675dd2f0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I have received a letter from the Hon Amy Adams seeking to debate under Standing Order 389 the Government\u2019s recent announcement that it will shift to a net debt percentage range of 15 to 25 percent of GDP rather than a single figure of 20 percent. This is a particular case of recent occurrence. It involves ministerial responsibility. The announcement was made by the Minister of Finance in a speech this morning.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EThe Government has stated that the new range will exist from 2021-22 onwards. There will be many opportunities to debate the proposed change, including three Budgets and a general election. If\u2014[Interruption] I haven\u2019t finished yet. The member is tempting me. If decisions to bring it into place were made during the upcoming Budget, there would be an extended opportunity to debate it during the Budget scrutiny process. This is an important matter, but I am not convinced that it meets the case for urgency. Therefore, the application is declined.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00228ebaeb9ae0fd45e2a66138b9c47623c5\u0022\u003EIntelligence and Security Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223e90fa07430944f7a29cfefc57656aac\u0022\u003EMembership\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u00227ef858492ada4a8c80c87c19d80333da\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227ef858492ada4a8c80c87c19d80333da\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That under section 196 of the Intelligence and Security Act 2017, this House endorse the Hon Amy Adams as a member of the Intelligence and Security Committee, nominated by the Leader of the Opposition under section 195(1) of the Act and in accordance with section 194(2)(c) of the Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022783c15001d694f66a5c7fabc316beb7f\u0022\u003ENg\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00222a2647da10dd46bb923a320e2d4faa81\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u00229e10dae8aac3485cb89a8e13697145f6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229e10dae8aac3485cb89a8e13697145f6\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: I move, That the Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2) be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EE \u014Dku rahi kua tat\u016B mai nei ki roto i Te Whare i te r\u0101 nei. Kia aroha mai ki ng\u0101 mahi p\u014Drangi kua kitea nei koutou. Heoi an\u014D e mihi atu ana ahau ki a koutou katoa m\u014D te taha takiri nei ki roto i t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare. Heoi an\u014D ki a koutou e ng\u0101 uri o Porourangi r\u0101ua ko Hamo, haere mai r\u0101 koutou ki roto i t\u0113nei Whare. Haere mai r\u0101 koutou ki roto ki t\u0113nei mokopuna a koutou, te uri o P\u0101kura e mihi nei ki a koutou katoa e \u014Dku rangatira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. Anei ng\u0101 kupu a Te Minita Te Hon Anaru Iti m\u014D te kaupapa nei. N\u014D reira, e \u014Dku rangatira t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E[To the distinguished who have arrived in the House today. Please excuse the silly things that you have seen. And so, I greet you all from this side of our House. And so, to you, the descendants of Porourangi and Hamo, welcome into this house. Welcome to this grandchild of yours, the descendant of P\u0101kura, who greets each of you my esteemed ones, greetings to us all. Here are the words of the Minister the Hon Andrew Little about this matter. Therefore, my esteemed ones, greetings to all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EIn a third reading, it is appropriate to acknowledge those who have played such an important role in reaching this stage. Firstly, I want to pay tribute to the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou and their immense resolve and patience in ensuring the Crown honours its commitment to them. The dedication shown by the people of this iwi has been paramount to this bill\u2019s success. I want to acknowledge all your people who have contributed to the deed of agreement and the deed to amend. You have worked hard for many years to get to this point, and you can be extremely proud.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EIt is important also to take the time to remember the leaders within Ng\u0101ti Porou who have passed on while the work for this bill progressed. So many are in our thoughts today. In particular, I acknowledge the late Dr Apirana Mahuika, who was chair of Te R\u016Bnanganui o Ngati Porou during most of the negotiations and a staunch advocate for the hap\u016B of Waiap\u016B. This bill would not be where it is without his immense work and dedication. E te rangatira, koutou o te p\u014D, haere, haere, haere. Ka hoki mai ki te ao o te ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E[To our leader, all of you who have passed, depart from this world. I will now return to the world of the living.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge his son Matanuku Mahuika, who has made a significant contribution to the work behind this bill. I want to acknowledge all the work of Te R\u016Bnanganui o Ngati Porou, currently under the chairmanship of Selwyn Parata.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI would also like to acknowledge the work of previous Treaty Ministers Sir Michael Cullen and the Hon Christopher Finlayson QC. Sir Michael Cullen oversaw and signed the original deed of agreement in 2008. The Hon Christopher Finlayson saw the signing of the 2017 deed to amend, which has led to this bill today. I want to acknowledge the work of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, chaired by Rino Tirikatene, who heard and considered over 200 submissions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EBut, of course, today is about ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou. Representatives from ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou, along with other Ministers and I, have just come from a ceremony where a whakamana accord was signed along with five relationship instruments agreed to in the deed. I look forward to the future annual forums between ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou and key Ministers of the Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI will just give a brief history as to how we have arrived here before talking about this unique bill. After the Ng\u0101ti Apa Court of Appeal case in 2003, the Foreshore and Seabed Act was introduced. Ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou were the only group under that Act to reach a deed of agreement with the Crown, and it was signed on 31 October 2008. A bill was introduced to Parliament to bring effect to the deed. However, when the Government changed, a review of the Foreshore and Seabed Act took place. And the original Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill: from that outset of that review, Government consistently stated that it would honour and fulfil its obligations in the deed of agreement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAfter the review, the Foreshore and Seabed Act was repealed and replaced with the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011. Ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou and the Crown negotiated amendments to the deed of agreement. These amendments reflect the takutai moana Act and other changes to legislation since 2008. The negotiated amendments were incorporated into a deed to amend, which was ratified by 47 hap\u016B of the 57 hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou and was signed by both parties in August 2017. This bill before the House gives effect to the amended deed of agreement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThis bill is unique. Its purpose is to contribute to the legal expression, protection, and recognition of the continued exercise of mana by ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou in relation to ng\u0101 rohe moana. The bill does this by recognising the unbroken, inalienable, and enduring mana of ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou in ng\u0101 rohe moana. The bill does not bring any recognition of customary rights into effect; however, it does provide the process for the recognition of customary rights. It also recognises the Crown has a responsibility to ensure public access as well as ensure the continuation of other lawful activities and uses of the takutai moana. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThis bill provides a legislative framework for the recognition of Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2019s customary interests in their rohe moana. In providing this framework, the Crown honours its commitment to the 2008 agreement. The bill\u2019s mechanisms for recognising the customary interests of ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou are similar to those found in the takutai moana Act 2011. However, they have some unique features that reflect the agreement reached with the hap\u016B in 2008. It provides for mechanisms that have been negotiated and agreed to between ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou and the Crown that require legislation to bring them into effect. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EIn this bill, \u201CNg\u0101 Hap\u016B\u201D refers to the hap\u016B who are party to the amended deed of agreement. Of the 57 hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou, 46 are party to the agreement because they have ratified the deed and detailed their management arrangements. As it stands, the 11 other hap\u016B can continue with existing applications to have their customary rights recognised under the takutai moana Act 2011. Alternatively, they can ratify the amended deed of agreement and detail a management arrangement later to be considered as ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou under this bill. This bill does not apply to wh\u0101nau, hap\u016B and iwi who are not from Ng\u0101ti Porou. The takutai moana Act still applies to all other wh\u0101nau, hap\u016B, and iwi throughout Aotearoa New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI would like to take the time to discuss the different parts of the bill. First, Part 4 of the bill sets out the legal tests for the recognition of protected customary activities, customary marine title, as well as w\u0101hi tapu and w\u0101hi tapu areas. These tests are the same as the tests in the takutai moana Act. Similarly, just as in the provisions of the takutai moana Act, ng\u0101 hap\u016B can seek the recognition of their customary rights by making an application to the High Court, or through direct engagement with the Crown. There is also a two-year time limit for ng\u0101 hap\u016B to apply for recognition of their customary rights under this bill. The two-year time frame gives ng\u0101 hap\u016B flexibility to make new applications or review the details of existing applications. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EIf customary marine title is recognised under this bill, then Part 3 sets out several mechanisms that apply to the customary marine title area. These relate to resource consent applications, regulations for customary fishing practices, recognition and effect of an environmental covenant established by ng\u0101 hap\u016B, applications and proposals for conservation processes, the ownership of taonga t\u016Bturu, and the ownership of minerals other than petroleum, gold, silver, and uranium existing in their natural condition. Customary marine title is not fee simple title and areas where customary marine title is recognised remain part of the common marine and coastal area. The bill balances the rights of all New Zealanders by providing a mechanism for ng\u0101 hap\u016B to test their rights while also protecting public access, fishing, navigation, existing resource consents, and other lawful activities in the common marine and coastal area. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EPart 2 of the bill contains mechanisms that are not dependent on the recognition of customary marine title. When the bill is enacted, these mechanisms apply across all of ng\u0101 rohe moana and recognise the mana of ng\u0101 hap\u016B and ng\u0101 rohe moana that exists, irrespective of the evidentiary thresholds for customary marine title. There are eight mechanisms in Part 2 of the bill and they were negotiated in good faith and agreed to with ng\u0101 hap\u016B in the 2008 deed of agreement. These mechanisms are generally consistent with those available to iwi, hap\u016B, and wh\u0101nau under the relevant provisions of the takutai moana Act. They are also generally consistent with coastal statutory acknowledgments, relationship protocols, and name change provisions provided for in historical Treaty settlement legislation, and customary fishing regulations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThe first mechanism is the statutory overlay instrument that is designed to provide for the effective participation of ng\u0101 hap\u016B in the processes relating to resource consent applications and applications under the Heritage New Zealand Pouhere Taonga Act 2014. It ensures that a map of ng\u0101 rohe moana is attached to key public documents. This includes the promotion of the sustainable management of ng\u0101 rohe moana and the protection of cultural and spiritual identity of ng\u0101 hap\u016B. Where the environmental covenant relates to resource management issues, the Gisborne District Council will be required to take the environmental covenant into account. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThe third mechanism relates to protected customary activities and the fourth relates to w\u0101hi tapu and w\u0101hi tapu areas. These customary rights can apply across the whole of ng\u0101 rohe moana. However, they are contingent on the evidentiary standards being met before they can come into effect. The fifth mechanism relates to customary fishing practices and recognises the special relationship that ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou have with the fishing grounds within ng\u0101 rohe moana. The M\u0101ori Affairs Committee recommended amending parts of the bill, namely, clarify the regulation of freshwater fisheries, ensure consistency between the deed\u2014[Assistant Speaker indicates time has expired] I do apologise, the House went on for some time. Finally, there are five schedules in the bill. I would like to speak\u2014no, I won\u2019t. The M\u0101ori Affairs Committee recommended amending the southern boundary of ng\u0101 rohe moana from Koutunui Point to Koutunui Head. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThis is a historic day. This is a unique piece of legislation, detailed in that particular speech, and it has been a long time coming. Once again, I must praise the wh\u0101nau and hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou, who started this journey in 2004 and are seeing it through to the end. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022b8694591090a4e2faac89e9c75a634d3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b8694591090a4e2faac89e9c75a634d3\u0022\u003EHon ANNE TOLLEY (National\u2014East Coast):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa e Te Whare. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa a ng\u0101 hap\u016B a Ng\u0101ti Porou. E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 hau e wh\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E[Greetings to the House. Greetings to you all of the subtribes of Ng\u0101ti Porou. The authorities, the spokespeople, those from the four winds, greetings, greetings, greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EI want to start by paying tribute to the late Dr Apirana Mahuika\u2014Uncle Api, as we all knew him\u2014who began this great journey that ends here today. I can feel his spirit with us. I want to pay tribute to the many great rangatira watching over this historic day, recognising the mana whenua of Ng\u0101ti Porou: Henare P\u014Dtae, Mokena Kohere, R\u014Dpata Wahawaha, Tuta Nihoniho, T\u0101 Apirana Ngata, Dr Api Mahuika, and, of course\u2014I\u2019m sure he is with us today\u2014Selwyn Parata. I know that there are many, many more, and I know that you people in the galleries here today have them with you in your hearts and in your minds. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThe great traditions of Ng\u0101ti Porou, their rangatiratanga, founded in tikanga, make them unique, as does this historic day and the agreement before this House. Ng\u0101ti Porou have always stood apart, firmly rooted in their rohe, secure in their whakapapa, and epitomised for me in the response that goes back to the 1850s, when the offer was made to the rangatira to take up the position of M\u0101ori King. His response was\u2014and I\u2019m going to say it in English because my pronunciation in Te Reo would mangle these magnificent words\u2014\u201CMy mountain, Hikurangi, does not move. It remains steadfast. My authority comes from beyond, from my ancestors.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003ESo today, a historic day\u2014and I give my apologies for not being present during the p\u014D\u2019hiri and the signing of the agreement. Today brings into law\u2014l-a-w\u2014what we in Tai R\u0101whiti recognise as lore\u2014l-o-r-e. That is, it recognises the continuous exercise of mana by the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou over their rohe. The bill sets that out clearly. In the three major clauses relating to Ng\u0101ti Porou, it talks about recognising the unbroken, inalienable, and enduring mana of the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou in relation to ng\u0101 rohe moana o ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou, which is held and exercised as a collective right; it provides legal mechanisms to support the expression and protection of the mana of the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou; and it provides certainty about the use and administration of that rohe\u2014three critical things that recognise that continuous exercise of mana. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EActually, to Ng\u0101ti Porou, that goes back to the beginning of time in New Zealand, because, of course, Ng\u0101ti Porou claim that when M\u0101ui-tikitiki-a-Taranga, the great fisherman, fished up the North Island, his waka, Nukataimemeha, was cradled on the top of Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2019s ancestral maunga, Hikurangi. So, of course, in the Takutai Moana Act, we only talk about from 1840, but Ng\u0101ti Porou go back long before that to the beginning of time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003ECan I pay tribute to Matanuku Mahuika, the chief negotiator, and his team. There was a huge responsibility on them to have an agreement, see that law disappear, and then negotiate again a new agreement without giving\u2014I know, because I saw the reports\u2014ground. I know that the second agreement was negotiated in true Ng\u0101ti Porou style, with grace and dignity, with a complete grasp of tikanga and lore\u2014l-o-r-e\u2014but with an iron fist. That\u2019s the Ng\u0101ti Porou we know and respect and love. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003ECan I pay tribute to the patience and the good grace of the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou. This has been a long, long journey\u2014a 15-year journey\u2014that you have taken, and today we have arrived at this place, at our destination, with all that mana, with all that tikanga, and with all those people of the past with us in partnership as we shake hands, as we sign the agreement, and we go forward together, recognising that each one of us has a responsibility and we need to work on it together. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003ESo I say to the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou: thank you. Thank you for agreeing to renegotiate what you already had agreed with a previous Government. It\u2019s almost full circle, where you began with a Labour-led Government, a National-led Government came in the middle, and the final signing and agreement is with a Labour-led Government. Perhaps that is the way that life should be. It doesn\u2019t matter who holds the Treasury benches; the important thing is the partnership that we negotiate and manage together.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EKia kaha. Kua mutu t\u0113r\u0101. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E[Be strong. That is over. Greetings, greetings, greetings to you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u00225164ac6ea3bb433c8a6aae0afa087396\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225164ac6ea3bb433c8a6aae0afa087396\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. A, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou \u014Dku rangatira, a Ng\u0101ti Porou, me \u014D hap\u016B maha, Te Tai R\u0101whiti, nau mai, nau mai, whakatau mai, nau mai, piki mai ki Te Whare P\u0101remata, ki te ana o te raiona. I t\u016B ai, nuinui m\u0101, teitei m\u0101, nau mai whakatau mai ki te whakatutuki i ng\u0101 wawata o r\u0101tou m\u0101. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. E t\u016B ana ahau ki te tautoko i t\u0113nei pire i tana p\u0101nuitanga tuatoru. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[So, greetings my esteemed people, Ng\u0101ti Porou and your many subtribes, The East Coast, welcome, welcome, and ascend to Parliament, to the lion\u2019s den. Stood up, large and tall, welcome here to execute of the dreams of those who have passed. Greetings, greetings. I stand to support this bill in its third reading.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI\u2019m delighted to be able to speak at the third reading of this bill, the Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2). This is such a joyous day, and to be in the presence of Ng\u0101ti Porou, who have graced our gallery today, and the wonderful p\u014Dwhiri and the signing of the relationship agreements and the accords that took place prior to the House sitting today\u2014it certainly is a wonderful occasion. I\u2019m just very proud to be able to have played a little part in what is a significant piece of legislation for Ng\u0101ti Porou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ECan I acknowledge, as we do on these occasions, those that have passed on. I\u2019d like to tautoko the sentiments that have been made when we think of all of our illustrious kaum\u0101tua, Apirana Mahuika, and all those that have been involved in this journey. It has been a very long\u2014not just the 15-odd years in terms of the culmination of this bill, but this bill, obviously, is about recognising the rights that go right back to 1840, stemming from Treaty rights. We\u2019re giving legal expression\u2014we\u2019re giving greater expression\u2014to those rights for the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou. So I\u2019m delighted to tautoko this bill, and I want to acknowledge the contributions made thus far by the Hon Anne Tolley and my colleague and whanaunga, the Hon Peeni Henare. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThis bill is about giving recognition to those customary rights. These rights have always existed\u2014always existed\u2014for these hap\u016B. The connection that they have to their coastal takutai moana environment\u2014they have always existed, but it has never been recognised through the laws of the land. What we are doing today is passing this legislation which affirms the deeds that were signed between the Crown and our hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou to give effect and to give greater expression of those rights. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo this is a significant piece of legislation. This is historic. It is one of a kind. Ng\u0101ti Porou were leaders in terms of the original deed that was established. There were two sets of legislation that have led to the enactment of this bill. So we know there has been a long history, and it is all about recognising those rights, providing those mechanisms, but it also balances the rights of the public and of other rights holders, be that in the fishing industry or through navigation of our waterways.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo it has been well thought through. I want to acknowledge Matanuku Mahuika, Herewini, the heamana of Te R\u016Bnanganui o Ngati Porou, for all their leadership and their work\u2014a lot of work has gone into this, a lot of k\u014Drero with officials\u2014and all those that have been involved over many, many years. I want to acknowledge them for their forbearance in being able to get to this point.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EJust conscious of the time\u2014it is always an honour for me, and I want to take this opportunity while I have the time at hand and I\u2019m on my feet. I want to acknowledge the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou. There are 57 all up\u2014there are many hap\u016B; 47 are directly part of this deed, but, for completeness, I do include all of the hap\u016B who are here and represented for Ng\u0101ti Porou. So I want to race through them\u2014there are quite a few, and I want to make sure that I set this down in the record of the Hansard. So we\u2019ll start from the North and we\u2019ll work down: for P\u014Dtikirua k\u012B Whangaokena Takutai Kaitiaki Trust, Te Wh\u0101nau a Tapaeururangi, Ng\u0101i Tuere, Te Wh\u0101nau a Tuwhakairiora, Te Wh\u0101nau a Te Aotaki, Te Wh\u0101nau a K\u0101hu, Ng\u0101i Tamakoro, Te Aopare , Te Wh\u0101nau a Tarahauiti, Te Wh\u0101nau a Hunaara, Te Wh\u0101nau a Hinerupe, Te Wh\u0101nau a Te Aotaihi. For Whangaokeno k\u012B \u014Cnepoto, Te Wh\u0101nau a Takimoana, Te Wh\u0101nau a T\u0101puhi, Te Wh\u0101nau a Te Uruahi, Te Wh\u0101nau a Tinatoka, Te Wh\u0101nau a Rerewa, Ng\u0101ti Nua, Ng\u0101ti Hokopu, Te Wh\u0101nau a Rakaimataura, Ng\u0101ti Putaanga, Te Wh\u0101nau a Ng\u0101i T\u0101ne, Te Wh\u0101nau a Hinepare, Te Wh\u0101nau a Karuai, Te Wh\u0101nau a Hinerupe ki Waiapu, Te Wh\u0101nau a Rakaihoea, Te Wh\u0101nau a P\u014Dkai, Ng\u0101ti Horowai, Te Wh\u0101nau a M\u0101haki, Te Wh\u0101nau a Uruhonea, Te Wh\u0101nau a Hineauta.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EFor Te Papatipu o Uepohatu me te Papatipu o te Ngaere, Ng\u0101i Tangihaere, Ng\u0101ti Rangi, Ng\u0101ti Uepohatu, Te Wh\u0101nau a Umuariki, Te Wh\u0101nau a Ruataupare ki Tuparoa, Te Wh\u0101nau a Hinetapora, Te Wh\u0101nau a Hinekehu at Rauru Marae. For Te Aitanga a Mate Te Aowera and Te Whanau a Hinekehu, we have Te Wh\u0101nau a Hinekehu, Te Aitanga a Mate, and Te Aowera. For Mataahu ki Kokoronui, I want to acknowledge Ng\u0101i Taharora, Te Wh\u0101nau a Iritekura, Te Wh\u0101nau a Rakairoa, Te Wh\u0101nau a Te Haemata. For Kokoronui k\u012B Te Toka \u0101 Taiau, Ng\u0101ti Wakarara and Ng\u0101ti Hau. There\u2019s also Ng\u0101ti Oneone as well, further south.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI also want to acknowledge, for completeness, these hap\u016B as well: Ng\u0101ti Konohi, Ng\u0101ti Kuranui, Ng\u0101ti Patuwhare, Te Wh\u0101nau a Te Rangipureora, Te Aitanga a Hauiti, Ng\u0101ti Kahukuranui, Ng\u0101i Tutekohi, Ng\u0101ti Ira, Te Wh\u0101nau o Te Aotawarirangi, Te Wh\u0101nau a Ruataupare ki Tokomaru. Those are ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou, and this is a very significant day for these hap\u016B. Through this bill, we are affirming and providing mechanisms whereby the hap\u016B will be able to continue the exercise of their mana and of their customary rights, the continuation of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EAlso, I want to acknowledge my colleague the Hon Kelvin Davis, who\u2019s the Minister for Te Arawhiti and will be responsible for the processes that will continue in terms of recognition of customary marine title. This is only putting in place the mechanisms in some places. Sure, there\u2019ll be general mechanisms, but for those specific applications that will be made, I\u2019m looking forward and I encourage Mr Davis to ensure that we can get as many of these applications through so those mechanisms can be given the absolute full expression under the law and in accordance with the deeds that have been signed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo, with that, I just once again want to mihi to ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa of Ng\u0101ti Porou who are here today. This is your day, and we certainly do celebrate with you the passage of this bill. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022 data-id=\u0022f269bba92f7842c79161252a7161027d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f269bba92f7842c79161252a7161027d\u0022\u003EHon NICKY WAGNER (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. Kia ora an\u014D t\u0101tou. As a new member, and, actually, a returning member, of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, I feel enormously privileged to be speaking to this bill on this historic occasion. As we\u2019ve already heard, it\u2019s been a very long and winding road to get here today; 15 years of complex, challenging, and stressful processes for Ng\u0101ti Porou, but we\u2019re here. Numerous people have been involved along the way, and I\u2019d like to pay tribute to everyone who\u2019s worked so hard, but in particular I\u2019d like to pay special tribute to Dr Apirana Mahuika and his son, Matanuku. Uncle Api\u2014I hope I can call him that\u2014began this process, and, sadly, of course, he\u2019s no longer with us, but I\u2019m sure he would be enjoying today as we think of him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EI\u2019d also like to note the work of Selwyn Parata, chair of Te R\u016Bnanganui o Ngati Porou, who I do see here today and, I\u2019m sure, will be leading the waiata at the end of the day, because I always see him, larger than life, at Te Matatini.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThe negotiations for this bill go all the way back to the days of the Foreshore and Seabed Bill, right back to 2004, and at that time, Ng\u0101ti Porou, the people of the East Coast, were the only group\u2014the only group\u2014to sign an agreement with the Crown. Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2014always the leaders\u2014signed that agreement establishing customary title, customary rights, and a protection of w\u0101hi tapu. And then\u2014and then\u2014it had to be renegotiated all over again under the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act in 2011.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EI would like to thank Ng\u0101ti Porou for their patience, for their wisdom, for their tenacity, and\u2014I\u2019d also like to echo my colleague Anne Tolley\u2014for their good grace and their steely determination during that time. The deed was finally ratified by ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou and signed by all parties in August 2017, and I know that the Hon Chris Finlayson, who has worked so closely with Ng\u0101ti Porou and who considered Dr Api a friend, was particularly pleased when we finally got that signature of the deed to amend.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003ENow, nearly two years later, this legislation finally completes the parliamentary process and the bill will pass at this third reading. It will provide certainty. It will provide certainty for all of us\u2014certainty about the use, certainty about the management, and certainty about the mana of the rohe moana of Ng\u0101ti Porou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThe bill, as we\u2019ve heard, recognises the unbroken, the inalienable, and the enduring connection of the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou to those who are most closely connected to the beautiful areas of \u014Cp\u014Dtiki and the East Cape. It also will recognise Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2019s role as kaitiakitanga of the area. It provides the legal mechanisms to protect the mana of Ng\u0101ti Porou across the rohe and to recognise the specific areas that they have customary marine title rights for, and it also recognises that the Crown has a responsibility for public access to the common marine coast area and a role in regulating it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003ESo, at last\u2014at last\u2014this day has come to pass the bill, after 15 long years of negotiation and parliamentary process. As the Hon Chris Finlayson foretold, in the second reading of the bill, about this final step\u2014and I quote him. He said, \u201CIt will be a great day for Ng\u0101ti Porou.\u201D Indeed, today is a significant day for Ng\u0101ti Porou, an historic day for Ng\u0101ti Porou, and a great day for Ng\u0101ti Porou. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u0022a195216302684f0e98e8e0fbb1286438\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a195216302684f0e98e8e0fbb1286438\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Minister of Forestry):\u003C/span\u003E A k\u0101ti e te iwi, koutou katoa kua tau mai ki Te Upoko o Te Ika, a Waiap\u016B awa, Hikurangi maunga, Porourangi tangata. E k\u012B, e k\u012B, ko te whakarangatira o Te Ao M\u0101ori kei te tihi o Hikurangi, mei kore te tihi o Hikurangi, kua kore a Te Ika-a-M\u0101ui e kitea.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ETuarua, e k\u012B, ko Ng\u0101ti Porou e heke mai r\u0101 runga i te tohor\u0101ha m\u0101 te haerenga mai o Paikea ki Aotearoa. Tua atu i t\u0113r\u0101 k\u0101hore he r\u0101kau p\u014Dhutukawa tua atu i Te Waha o Rerekohu. Ar\u0101 ko t\u0113n\u0101 te \u0101huatanga o \u014D t\u0101tou whanaunga o Ng\u0101ti Porou. M\u0101 r\u0101tou i roto i te rangi a Tamanui te R\u0101 e mihi i te tuatahi, ia r\u0101, ia r\u0101, ia r\u0101. Engari pai ana kei ahau a Ng\u0101 Puhi ko Te Paipera Tapu, ko Te Tiriti o Waitangi, me Te Rerenga Wairua. Kia ahatia? T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EMe mihi atu ki t\u014D t\u0101tou manukura, ki a Api, tana hoa haere a Poro. Wh\u0101torotoro haere ki t\u014D t\u0101tou, ki t\u014Dku hoa ake, t\u014D koutou huanga a Parekura. N\u0101na an\u014D te kaupapa nei i whakakorikori i te taha o Dr Cullen i t\u014Dna w\u0101. Te mea p\u014Duri, k\u012Bhai r\u0101ua, r\u0101tou i toe kia kai kanohi mai r\u0101tou ki ng\u0101 mahi rangatira e oti ana t\u0101tou i roto i t\u0113nei r\u0101. N\u0101 reira, Ng\u0101ti Porou wh\u0101nui, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[To one and all, all of you who have descended upon Wellington today, Waiap\u016B River, Hikurangi mountain, the people of Porourangi. Well, well, the epitome of the M\u0101ori people is at the peak of Hikurangi, if it weren\u2019t for the peak of Hikurangi, Te Ika-a-M\u0101ui would not have been seen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ESecondly, you don\u2019t say, Ng\u0101ti Porou came on a whale when Paikea journeyed to Aotearoa. And what\u2019s more, there is no p\u014Dhutukawa more outstanding than Te Waha o Rerekohu. That is indeed the way of our relations from Ng\u0101ti Porou. During the day it is them who first greet the sun, day in, day out. On the contrary I am happy that we of Ng\u0101 Puhi have the Holy Bible, Te Tiriti o Waitangi, and Te Rerenga Wairua. What\u2019s to be done about it? Greetings to you all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI must acknowledge our leader, Api, and his companion Poro. I reach out to our friend, my personal friend, your progeny Parekura. He himself moved this matter along alongside Dr Cullen in his time. The sad thing is that those two, all of them aren\u2019t remaining to see with their own eyes the excellent work that is being completed by us at this time. Therefore, wider Ng\u0101ti Porou, greetings, greetings, greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EAs I\u2019ve said, we think fondly of the people who carried this kaupapa. I recall going with Dr Michael Cullen, at the invitation of Dr Apirana Mahuika, with the late Hon Parekura Horomia after the tumultuous times of the original seabed and foreshore issues, and then to begin the negotiations with this tribe, that has enjoyed uninterrupted ownership since the Treaty of Waitangi of the whenua adjoining the takutai moana. Their tupuna Sir Apirana Ngata, who graces the walls and the corridors of this House, played a key role in leading the consolidation and the holding of their land so that it didn\u2019t go the way of other tribes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI come from Ng\u0101puhi nui tonu, and Sir Apirana Ngata came to the Far North. He said in M\u0101ori, to my m\u0101tuas, \u201CT\u0113n\u0101 he toki an\u014D t\u0101ku. Kua tapahia e ahau te hiku o t\u0113nei ika kia tere atu ki te puku o te moana.\u201D, which meant \u201CIf I had an axe, I would cut off the tail of this fish for fear of its sting infecting the rest of M\u0101oridom and allow it to float away into the sea.\u201D So that man\u2014we celebrate his legacy today as modern-day parliamentarians, and it\u2019s very rare in modern-day parliamentary life that we go that far back in history.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThere was some anxiety about this piece of legislation\u2014that it would impede the rights, the interests, the habits, the usages, the customs of people who enjoy the East Coast. We have put those fears to bed. There were concerns from the fishing industry that their activities might be impeded. They will never be impeded by the party that I belong to, and given that this tribe are key owners of substantial fisheries resources, they treat fish with a great deal of respect\u2014and so they should, because their tupuna Porourangi, upon catching the fish, was poisoned by the fish. Ko te ingoa o t\u0113r\u0101 ika ki roto i ahau, ki a Ng\u0101 Puhi, ko Te Pokati. Ki roto i Te Tai R\u0101whiti, n\u0101 wai r\u0101 nei i mea mai ki a au ko Te Nuhu. N\u0101, mau t\u0113n\u0101 ika, ka puhipuhi, ka puhipuhi, ka tetere te hanga. Katahi ka werohia te tangata, n\u0101, mahi nui t\u0113n\u0101 kia ora ai te tangata i t\u0113n\u0101 werohanga\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[The name of that fish where I come from, in Ng\u0101 Puhi, is Te Pokati. In Te Tai R\u0101whiti, it follows that it was told to me it is Te Nuhu. So this fish was caught, shot, shot, and was in prime condition. A person was then pierced, and this was a huge task for someone to survive this piercing.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ESo this is a group, and I\u2019m proud to represent the party and stand with my coalition partners and the Opposition parties to say: this shows there is little to fear as we evolve the law, as we evolve our frameworks for managing resources, and we join together because the foundation influences of Aotearoa are to be found in the Treaty\u2014the missionary influence, the Crown influence, and the indigenous leaders. Those of us who are of M\u0101ori extraction and claim to be the inheritors and the custodians of our foundation heritage, as many of my P\u0101keh\u0101 friends and brethren do, must cling; we must, at every opportunity, celebrate it so that it does not fall prey to strong globalising influences that threaten what it means for us to be New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ESo to the people of the East Coast, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. I acknowledge the efforts of Chris Finlayson. He has created a fine legacy here. To his great sadness, he never emulated it amongst my own people of Ng\u0101puhi. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022 data-id=\u002243faffb7d94e4c3582faafc575fa5dca\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002243faffb7d94e4c3582faafc575fa5dca\u0022\u003EDAN BIDOIS (National\u2014Northcote):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. To everybody from the East Coast here today, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Ko Tainui te waka, ko Waikato te awa, ko Ng\u0101ti Maniapoto te iwi, ko Ng\u0101ti Huiao te hap\u016B, ko Te Kauae te marae. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E[Tainui is my ancestral canoe, Waikato is my ancestral river, Ng\u0101ti Maniapoto is my tribe, Ng\u0101ti Huiao is my subtribe, Te Kauae is my marae. Greetings, greetings, greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to just start off by welcoming everybody in the room that\u2019s come here from the mighty East Coast today for what is a special occasion in this House and for New Zealand. I\u2019d like to acknowledge everybody from Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2014all 72,000 members that affiliate to this iwi. That\u2019s double those from my iwi, Ng\u0101ti Maniapoto, so something\u2019s going right with this iwi group. I\u2019d also like to pay a special acknowledgment to your ancestors\u2014many of which are great ancestors. To tautoko what the Hon Shane Jones mentioned, Sir Apirana Ngata stands out here for us today in the House. What a great man he was. His legacy lives on even today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003ESo we\u2019re here at the third reading of this important bill, which we have discussed, that brings together the effect of a deed of 47 important hap\u016B in this iwi and the relationship between these 47 hap\u016B and the Crown. You were the only iwi group that signed this deed under the Foreshore and Seabed Act, so you have led the way in the past and continue to lead the way into the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EAlthough that Act was repealed by the previous National Government, you\u2019ve managed to renegotiate the deed, and we are here today to acknowledge and bring effect to that deed that you have all worked so hard for in the last 15 years. So this is a special day for Ng\u0101ti Porou. It\u2019s a special day for the people of East Cape, and we acknowledge the process that\u2019s gone through, started in 2018 where the first reading was made, and it\u2019s great to acknowledge, certainly, the Hon Chris Finlayson and the work that he\u2019s put into this. There\u2019s been a lot of people to acknowledge. Those here today, we\u2019ve got, of course, Dr Api Mahuika and Selwyn Parata, who have been leaders in this process throughout several years in bringing us to this stage here today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003ESo here we are. We\u2019ve been through several processes throughout the last few years. We had about 215 submissions in the select committee process, of which 18 were oral submissions. There were a number of changes that were made in that process from the select committee, if I can just recap a few of them, around introducing a cut-off date for hap\u016B providing views on resource consent applications, around clarifying the regulation of freshwater fisheries, providing consistency and clarity between the deed and customary fishing regulations, and a whole raft of other changes that we listened to in the select committee process. I wasn\u2019t on that select committee, but I am on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003ESo a number of changes came out, and we\u2019re now at the stage of the third and final reading. We\u2019ve had here the culmination of many years of work, and I do just want to acknowledge everybody in the room, and in the House here today\u2014from both sides of the House\u2014who have come together in order to make sure that there is an acknowledgment of the customary fishing rights of this iwi and of the 47 hap\u016B who have signed this deed, that this Act and this bill would effectively bring into force. So again I want to acknowledge the previous speakers and everything that\u2019s been said here today. I want to acknowledge, of course, all the team who have been involved in the negotiating process. It is a special day for you all on the East Cape where you now will have clarity, you will have ownership, and you will have certainty, as was said by my colleague the Hon Nicky Wagner.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003ESo I would like to just sum up and say that this is a special day. It is going to be a day that will be remembered, and this iwi leads the way for other iwi in terms of how we deal with foreshore and seabed matters and issues related to the customary fishing rights of iwi and of hap\u016B that sign up to these deeds as well. So I don\u2019t want to take any more time. I do want to, again, acknowledge everybody for making the trip down from the mighty East Cape. You are the first to see the sun every day, you are the first to have led the way on matters such as this, and, no doubt, you will be the first of many such things to come in the future. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u00225bfe255456004c39b6a2808084cf4a57\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225bfe255456004c39b6a2808084cf4a57\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Assistant Speaker. It\u2019s a great pleasure to rise on behalf of the Green Party to also add our support to this piece of legislation, Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2). I send my greetings from our co-leader Marama Davidson, whanaunga. I understand she\u2019s currently with the newest member of the wh\u0101nau, her first moko, but her heart I know is torn, because she\u2019s also here with you, acknowledging the significance of this moment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s two things I\u2019d like to pick up from some of the discussions so far that are particularly important for the Greens, and I want to acknowledge the member Rino Tirikatene for his speech, and calling, and listing, and bringing into this House all of the hap\u016B that are of Ng\u0101ti Porou, who are impacted by this legislation, who have created this legislation, who it is essential that we acknowledge. It\u2019s a rare moment in the processes of this House where hap\u016B are actually seen and heard. All too often, our consideration of Treaty bills is, I would say, hampered by the process of large natural groupings, where hap\u016Btanga is actually, I would say, undermined, whereas in this piece of legislation this afternoon, we had those voices and you and your stories acknowledged and brought into this space. So thank you for your work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI also want to acknowledge another part of this that for me\u2014so the Green Party was staunchly opposed to the Foreshore and Seabed Act, and I remember sitting in a small fishing village on the other side of the world, watching the media coverage of that happening, and, it may surprise some people, but I actually went on to the website to consider joining the M\u0101ori Party, because I was so horrified by what I was seeing, and did not think that was the country that I knew. So I want to acknowledge that in some ways, while this legislation is the Crown getting out of the way of ourselves and allowing your inherent rights to be recognised, which required a removal of our processes, and law\u2014that is the history, and the work that we are doing now, and needs to be the focus of this Government; of us getting out of the way of those original rights.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge that this process, which I believe and interpret as an act of resistance, that this negotiation that has brought us through to this process has been an act of survival and resistance for the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Porou, and I pay tribute to you for that survival, and that resistance. I think they are the key points that I want to convey and, on that, I will allow this to speed through and acknowledge all of you for your heart and your resistance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022 data-id=\u0022d59881beefdd427fbf7758ff0184d816\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d59881beefdd427fbf7758ff0184d816\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E Ki ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Porou, ki ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou, nau mai, haere mai i t\u0113nei Whare. Ng\u0101 mihi nui, ng\u0101 mihi mahana ki a koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E[To the progeny of Ng\u0101ti Porou, to the subtribes of Ng\u0101ti Porou, welcome, welcome to this House. Big and warm greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s a distinct privilege to be able to address the House for the third time, for the final reading of this significant bill that is about to pass into law with the third and final reading. As is tikanga, and as I referenced in my second address to the House, which was for the second reading, I stated that it\u2019s appropriate to acknowledge those who are gathered here now, but also those of us who are no longer with us. I acknowledge also my colleagues across the House in terms of the contribution that we participated in whilst serving as members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee; I no longer serve as a member, but I harken to when we travelled to Gisborne to listen to the stories in the warm embrace of Ng\u0101ti Porou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI speak as the MP for Whanganui, formerly as a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, but also as uri of Whanganui, Ng\u0101ti Apa, Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and Ng\u0101 Rauru. I also speak as whanaunga of Aunty Lorna Ngata, who is of P\u016Btiki, and then was embraced by the people of Ng\u0101ti Porou\u2014Uncle Henry\u2019s family. Also, I talk about the journey as a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee when we travelled over there, and I reflected on previous journeys that had been taken that way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThis reading is about the bill\u2014the bill of Ng\u0101ti Porou: Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2). I reflect on just some of the relationships that I have with Ng\u0101ti Porou. One that is significant is whanaunga Dame Tariana Turia. Back in the late 1980s and1990s, when another of our whanaunga, Judge James Rota, served over in Gisborne, I travelled with Tariana and her beloved George, with a group of our people from Whanganui Ng\u0101ti Apa, to the swearing in of Judge James Rota to the District Court bench after he\u2019d given service in the M\u0101ori Land Court. We stayed at Whangar\u0101 Marae. The other connection\u2014not knowing of it until we were in the warm embrace of the whare there\u2014was Aunty Lorna\u2019s brother Uncle John Mete-Kingi. Some of the carvings that are resting within the Whare were his contributions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThe other whanaungatanga I would like to regard it as\u2014well, certainly the relationship and connection to Whangar\u0101, but back to my younger days serving as an employee of the Department of M\u0101ori Affairs under the leadership of Dr T\u0101mati Reedy, and also the strong influence of Ng\u0101ti Poroutanga. I look up into the gallery and I see Dame Iritana T\u0101whiwhirangi. Ng\u0101 mihi e kui. I reflect too on the many who I served alongside as a young woman in the Department of M\u0101ori Affairs. Mention has been made of Dr Api Mahuika, and I acknowledge the next generation with his son Matanuku, with the service that you have given to your people, but also our people of Aotearoa New Zealand. The other connection, of course, is Te Rau Kupenga: his father, with connections to Whanganui, of course, and, again, through to the village settlement of P\u016Btiki that I grew up within.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019d like to come back to the passage, the journey, that I was part of with Dame Tariana over to Whangar\u0101, and then the other passage and journey that I was part of after Dame Tariana crossed the floor, moving away from the Labour Party as a result of the Government of that day seeking to impose the Foreshore and Seabed Act. On 4 May 2004, with another large r\u014Dp\u016B, ope, from Whanganui, we travelled here to Te Whanganui-a-Tara, P\u014Dneke, to march in that h\u012Bkoi to protest against the bill. That was a journey and a passage that we picked up on later.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EBut this journey and passage for o ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou, as is well-known, began in 2003 when, at the time, Te R\u016Bnanga o Ngati Porou\u2014now Te R\u016Bnanganui\u2014supported applications by the hap\u016B to the M\u0101ori Land Court to have the foreshore and seabed in your rohe declared as M\u0101ori customary land. It\u2019s well-known\u2014the Court of Appeal\u2019s Ng\u0101ti Apa decision was released and the Government announced its intention to introduce the Foreshore and Seabed Act. Whanaunga Dame Tariana did the right thing, and with the h\u012Bkoi of some 15,000, at least, I, with my baby and husband, marched on to Parliament grounds to protest that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThat has only been part of the passage and the journey that ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou have taken. There\u2019s a time line that\u2019s outlined here around the waves that you have had to traverse in this. I reflected, when I spoke at the second reading, on the analogy of the journey of Paikea and the treacherous adventure that was there\u2014very much like the passage of this bill that Ng\u0101ti Porou hap\u016B have travelled through. It\u2019s recorded in Hansard at the second reading\u2014just that analogy that I had made around that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI just would like to share in closing that with this arduous journey over a course of 15 years, it is now coming to a time to be able to take stock, pause, reflect on those who have gone before, but also the vision that ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou has with where to take this. I look up into the gallery and, again, I\u2019m heartened when I see our younger generations\u2014the next ones to carry through all the work that has been done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI have a copy here of this bill. It is detailed; it is extensive. This sets down, as a matter of record, but also as a matter of k\u014Drero to carry through into the future, the responsibilities that are there, not only for Ng\u0101ti Porou, but for the Crown to be bound by. The words that we convey in this House don\u2019t always convey the weight of the work and the thoughts that go on before, but I am ever so mindful that when I do address the House on these pieces of work and bills that are about to become law, I don\u2019t only speak as an individual, but I speak for my people who have gone before, and reflect and harken on the journey that we have endured also.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThis law is specific to our people from Ng\u0101ti Porou, in the same way that the Te Awa Tupua legislation for Whanganui River is specific to enshrining in law the protections of what our rights are. In closing, I turn to ng\u0101 hap\u016B, ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Porou, and I am sincerely overwhelmed in being able to address you all. Ng\u0101 mihi mahana, ki a koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022589174d3da184372a1802fa4fb9c6e9d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022589174d3da184372a1802fa4fb9c6e9d\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, this is a split call\u2014five minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022 data-id=\u0022a17d51dbd7f04dc495b514f92eefdd03\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a17d51dbd7f04dc495b514f92eefdd03\u0022\u003EKIRITAPU ALLAN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E E Te M\u0101ngai, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ng\u0101ti Porou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, nau mai, hara mai, hoki mai ki t\u014D t\u0101tou nei Whare, mai i te maunga o Hikurangi, te awa o Waiap\u016B. Nau mai, hara mai, whakatau mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003E[Mr Assistant Speaker, greetings to you. Ng\u0101ti Porou, greetings to you, welcome, welcome, return to our House, from the ancestral mountain of Hikurangi and the ancestral river of Waiap\u016B. Welcome, welcome, thrice welcome.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003EI was talking to my colleague Meka just now and we were going, \u201CHow can we take that wairua that we all just experienced outside in the signing and the jubilation that you all carried for this moment?\u201D This moment, after 16 years\u201416 years and so many faces. We saw all of those people that had passed away, adorning the room just next door.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003EYou know, I was just sitting here reflecting. I remember the first time I heard even an inkling of the negotiations for this bill\u2014what\u2019s now about to become law\u2014back in 2004. We\u2019d just had the seabed and foreshore march 2003, and there was Dayle Takitimu and Matanuku Mahuika. We\u2019d heard about these chats, that they were having yarns\u2014because I think Parekura must have been telling us all about it\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca0fa5bead8b43c28364cdd04b8bedf1\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd9482f51cec40cd8b7e12841c18db66\u0022\u003EKIRITAPU ALLAN\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Parekura Horomia, and son of Mangatuna. We heard that there were these chats going on between these two tribes up on the East Coast\u2014Te Wh\u0101nau-a-Apanui and Ng\u0101ti Porou. This was a time when everyone was all pukuriri about this poor legislation coming through this House, but there was something that was very significant that came from the leadership of Uncle Api: that political astuteness and leadership to know that, whilst these things were happening in this Chamber\u2014and they were things that many people did not agree with\u2014they picked up that wero and worked and drove and worked and drove to ensure that the hap\u016B, those kaitiaki of your hap\u016B, would retain the mana over your whenua in whatever ways that could be.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003ENow, those discussions have been enduring over the past 16 years\u2014three Governments. You started with the Hon Michael Cullen. Then you had the Hon Christopher Finlayson, and I want to acknowledge the work that he did alongside you all. Now my colleague \u0100naru Paku\u2014the Hon Andrew Little\u2014who can\u2019t be here, because his mother passed this week and she\u2019s being laid to rest. So my thoughts are with him as well. When I think about the significance of what you\u2019ve all achieved\u2014and we know, because I used to work with Matanuku and Nathan and Tira.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003EI know how challenging it has been, and the weight of the decisions that you had to make for all of you that led those discussions for your hap\u016B, that chose to enter into and sign up to the accord. We know the difficulties and, no doubt, many sleepless nights that many of you would have had in trying to know that you were doing the right thing for your people. So I want to acknowledge all of you that carry the mana of your hap\u016B on your shoulders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003EWhen I think about this particular piece of legislation, it is unique and it will not be replicated elsewhere, because of the foresight of people like Apirana. Some of those things\u2014and I was reflecting over the past 16 years, and this is actually for all of you fellas\u2014all you rangatahi here, down from down Te Araroa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. This is a constitutionally really significant bill. Sixteen years ago, when there was a whole heap of protest going on, it was an abhorrent thought to have M\u0101ori around the table making decisions on behalf of the whenua. This is a constitutionally significant bill, and it has been enshrined mai r\u0101n\u014D for you fellas to carry on those responsibilities, because there are rights within this bill, but they come with a lot of responsibilities. So I applaud Campbell for bringing these rangatahi here to be able to see this piece of legislation become enacted today, because what you are witnessing is something that no other tribe will witness.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003EThank you for coming. Thank you to the leaders amongst you all. Thank you to the hau k\u0101inga who stoked those fires. We know that you will do exceptionally well in conducting the responsibilities that are entrenched in this bill. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022b7c035bc2cb64169b046b45b05c8f90b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b7c035bc2cb64169b046b45b05c8f90b\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Just before I call the next speaker, I just want to remind members that they should use full names if they are mentioning them in their k\u014Drero. It\u2019s a nice thing to do. It\u2019ll be recorded in Hansard. People reading this in 50 years\u2019 time won\u2019t know, otherwise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u00223f09b77d166a46b192046b28bbc6efd4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223f09b77d166a46b192046b28bbc6efd4\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National):\u003C/span\u003E O ng\u0101 iwi, o ng\u0101 hap\u016B, wh\u0101nau, o Ng\u0101ti Porou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Te hunga mate ki te hunga mate, haere, haere, haere. Te hunga ora ki a t\u0101tou te hunga ora, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Ko Paul Goldsmith ahau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E[The tribes, the subtribes, families of Ng\u0101ti Porou. Greetings to you all. Let the deceased remain with the deceased and depart from here. Let the living remain with the living, greetings to you all. I am Paul Goldsmith.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EMy great-great-grandfather was Charles George Goldsmith, who came out to New Zealand and settled in the Poverty Bay, and in the 1840s, spent a lot of time at Muriwai and also a lot of time up the coast at Tikitiki, at Ohinewaiapu, and I\u2019m sure I am related to many, many of you here today. I\u2019m your long-lost cousin from Auckland. Yes, Great-great-grandaddy Charles Goldsmith was a great lover of the Ng\u0101ti Porou w\u0101hine, as we all know, and I stem from the last of the wives that he had\u2014Harriet Wales\u2014and so I\u2019ve, many years later, wound up in Auckland. I\u2019m in the House and it\u2019s my great pleasure and privilege to be able to speak very briefly on this bill coming to the end of its process in Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI do want to acknowledge the late Parekura Horomia and his role in the work behind this legislation. I made the mistake of going on the field in the match up in Ru\u0101t\u014Dki to celebrate his life, and I still feel pain in my ribs from the tackle that I received from a pig hunter who was opposing me on the wing. If he happens to be here tonight\u2014I haven\u2019t seen him yet\u2014do give him my regards. I didn\u2019t follow my distant cousin Jasin Goldsmith in my rugby skills, unfortunately, but I do acknowledge all the work that\u2019s been done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ELike my colleague Shane Jones, who I have a mixed relationship with, I did have my concerns early on about this bill, around ensuring access for all New Zealanders to the sea and the water, and I do accept the assurances from him and from my earlier colleague Chris Finlayson that those have been very carefully resolved through the negotiations around this bill and this agreement. I do hope that this agreement will lead to a future economic boom and also social and cultural boom for the many hap\u016B and wh\u0101nau of Ng\u0101ti Porou over the years to come, so that we can all continue to live together and work and socialise and enjoy this wonderful, wonderful country that we share here in New Zealand and in that wonderful, remarkable region of New Zealand on the East Coast, in your area, over the decades to come\u2014so that we can realise the hopes and potential of the relationship that started to be formed so many years ago.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EMy best wishes and congratulations to all of the people of Ng\u0101ti Porou on this occasion. It\u2019s my great pleasure to have a small opportunity to say a few words today. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u002283392b41cb484187bdb578dc97577c1e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002283392b41cb484187bdb578dc97577c1e\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Associate Minister for M\u0101ori Development):\u003C/span\u003E Tuatahi he tika me mihi ki a koutou ng\u0101 whanaunga i tae mai nei i t\u0113nei w\u0101, i whakarangatira i a m\u0101tou i t\u0113nei w\u0101. T\u0113nei te tino mihi ki a koutou ng\u0101 kuia, ng\u0101 koroua. He tino waim\u0101rie ahau ki te t\u016B i mua i a koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, \u0101 t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Firstly, it is appropriate to greet you my relations who have arrived here today, to ennoble us at this time. I especially acknowledge the elders. I am indeed fortunate to stand before you, greetings, greetings, greetings once more to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI didn\u2019t know you were a rellie, Goldie! But, anyway, coming back to this, what a wonderful morning we had this morning, and if ever there was an example of Ng\u0101ti Porou being the leading tribe in the country, this morning was it\u2014no doubt about it. We\u2019ve had so many maroke sort of ceremonies through the years, and we all stood there\u2014even these Ng\u0101puhis didn\u2019t rush out the door, as they normally do, and enjoyed the waiata and the wairua. It made me proud. It made us all proud, because we were all taking videos and photos. It was just magnificent. So I want to congratulate you again on showing why Ng\u0101ti Porou lead the way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EAs we all know, I was brought up in Wellington, and I was brought up under the umbrella of Ng\u0101ti Porou, where there were only two types of M\u0101ori\u2014as we all know, those who were Ng\u0101ti Porou and those who wanted to be. My upbringing, like maybe for a lot of our young people here, was absolutely Ng\u0101ti Porou. I was talking about this with Peeni Henare. Even though some of us were not brought up under the umbrella of Hikurangi, Hikurangi was with me all the time, particularly in Porirua, where Ng\u0101ti Porou ruled everywhere. Bill Kerekere was running the kapa haka. Taxi drivers were all Ng\u0101ti Porou. There was only one type of reo and it was Ng\u0101ti Porou. Ng\u0101ti Toa couldn\u2019t speak M\u0101ori, according to Ng\u0101ti Porou. No wonder they called us \u201CNg\u0101ti Blow\u201D, as my colleague Meka Whaitiri has said in previous speeches. But that\u2019s the upbringing of many Ng\u0101tis who went into the urban areas. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI was so proudly Ng\u0101ti Porou. My father was going on about it every single day, and my great grandmother lived with us, who was a Taare from Tikitiki, and all the k\u014Drero was about Ng\u0101ti Porou. It was a wonderful upbringing and the k\u014Drero was about the coast and about Ruat\u014Dria, and I have to say that when I was brought up I thought Ruat\u014Dria was like Las Vegas, until I got there. And I thought: what the heck was the old man going on about? What was the old man going on about? But they talked about the coast in such romantic terms, you know, and I thought it was like Fantasy Island or something, you know. But hello, not Hiruh\u0101rama, where Selwyn and I are from. Heck, I couldn\u2019t even find Hiruh\u0101rama when I first went up there. But these are the stories as urban kids that you\u2019re brought up with. You know, our people so loved Ng\u0101ti Porou, so romanticised about Ng\u0101ti Porou, and Ng\u0101ti Porou made an impact, one would have to say, when they came to the cities, particularly in areas like this, Wellington, where we had rangatira who came down. One of them is up there right now. I think she\u2019s 99 years of age, our whaea Iritana T\u0101whiwhirangi. Oh, it\u2019s 90 years of age, isn\u2019t it, e kui?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EBut these were the personalities who came to the cities, and Ng\u0101ti Porou rangatira were leading in the cities, like Bill Kerekere, like T\u0101mati Reedy\u2014wonderful rangatira who came into the cities like Pita Awatere. We must remember them at these times, because they led the way for us, for our people, and they opened up the doors for our people in the cities, in the Wellingtons and in the Aucklands. This is the time right now\u2014rather than me getting into every technicality of the bill and worrying about Mr Goldsmith worrying about his P\u0101keh\u0101 mates missing out on their fishing rights\u2014when we should celebrate our people who opened up doors for all of us, for all of us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EEven in 2004 with that Foreshore and Seabed Bill that at the time I wasn\u2019t too complimentary about, but now that I\u2019m in Labour I\u2019ve taken a bit of a sort of different look at things\u2014mistakes happen, as we all know, mistakes happen. I wasn\u2019t so, sort of, easy on that kaupapa back in 2004 on the Paul Holmes show when I was in M\u0101ori media, but, you know, times change. We made a mistake, and we\u2019re moving on, sort of like Rogernomics, you know. We\u2019re moving on\u2014we\u2019re moving on. And who would have believed in when that mayhem, who would have believed\u2014you know, I\u2019ll never forget that day. We all came down here, marching on the streets. I remember ringing up to John Tamihere, who was in his office. He said to me, \u201CHow many, how many are down there\u2014about 150?\u201D, and I said, \u201CNo, about 20,000, bro.\u201D Ha, ha! I\u2019ll never forget that day. Here we had the mayhem in terms of M\u0101ori\u2014and we were all going crazy. How on earth could a tribe do a deal in the midst of all that? Well, the Hon Parekura Horomia was able to do it, and so you\u2019ve got to give it to him. The whanaunga thought, \u201COh that\u2019s mayhem, mayhem\u2019s happening.\u201D Tari\u2019s running off here and the M\u0101oris are all going\u2014\u201CI\u2019d better ring Uncle Api and we\u2019ll do a deal.\u201D Isn\u2019t that amazing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo when I think back, you\u2019ve got a lot to thank Labour for. You\u2019ve got to think about this\u2014you\u2019ve got to think about this. If we had not been betrayed\u2014the M\u0101ori nation\u2014at the time, things would have been different. You wouldn\u2019t have been here today, would you? So you\u2019ve got to sort of think this out a bit. No, no. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EAnyway, I want to compliment Parekura Horomia for his innovativeness and creativity. I\u2019ll never forget that time, because we could not believe what Pare was doing, because everybody\u2014there\u2019s no way anybody wanted to go near the Crown at that time, apart from the cuz, who saw an opening, saw a gap, saw an opportunity\u2014typical Ng\u0101ti Porou. Off he went with Uncle Api Mahuika and they did the deal that has come into fruition today, and it was carried by his very quiet\u2014I was going to say \u201Ccunning\u201D, but I was going to say \u201Chandsome\u201D\u2014son Matanuku Mahuika, who is here today. It\u2019s lovely to see you, Ma. I know you\u2019ve been a big support for our girl here\u2014I\u2019m not allowed to say \u201Cgirl\u201D in the Labour Party, eh\u2014our lady here, Kiritapu. We know how much you\u2019ve supported her and you have carried the mana of your papa and the mana of Ng\u0101ti Porou to a unique settlement where we are today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EThis is a unique settlement. It must be, because Annette Sykes was in my office this morning, and I can recall what Annette Sykes said back in 2004 about Ng\u0101ti Porou. It wasn\u2019t very nice. But today Annette said, \u201COh, I had a kai with your whanaunga last night.\u201D \u201CI\u2019m so proud\u201D, she says, \u201Cand I\u2019m so happy about this settlement.\u201D So when you win over the Annette Sykes of this world, you know you\u2019re on the right track, because you\u2019ve not only got the backing of this Parliament but you\u2019ve got the backing of warriors\u2014you know, M\u0101ori women warriors like Annette Sykes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EThis is a unique deal. It\u2019s a deal that should be celebrated and supported because it has set the benchmark. So well done to you, Matanuku. Well done to you there, whanaunga Selwyn, for your leadership. I think it\u2019s just wonderful the way that this kaupapa has been steered, as you said in your whaik\u014Drero this morning, through three Governments. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EYou know, the management has been terrific. I know the cousin over there gets h\u014Dh\u0101 with me because I said to him \u201COh, you just stick with your National Tories.\u201D, and he said, \u201CYou shut up. I supported Parekura in Labour.\u201D I don\u2019t know what party he\u2019s with, actually, but, anyway, I know it depends on the day, eh cuz? But anyway, his leadership must be celebrated today along with Matanuku, along with our kuia and koroua who have come here, and set up one of the most unique settlements in the history of New Zealand. It\u2019s a credit to our party and it\u2019s a credit to National that we\u2019ve been able to kia whakakotahi for this kaupapa. So I mihi to everyone here today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI know we say some funny things about each other sometimes. I know I was getting attacked by some of the M\u0101ori MPs in National the other night. I never thought Harete Hipango would attack me the way she did, but on this kaupapa, we are united. We celebrate this kaupapa. It\u2019s a kaupapa about tino rangatiratanga. It\u2019s a kaupapa about Ng\u0101ti Porou. All our young people should be proud, I\u2019m proud, we\u2019re all proud to say we are from Ng\u0101ti Porou. Kia ora an\u014D t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022 data-id=\u0022ed1c59792da044bfb18a71cfe1c9d8da\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ed1c59792da044bfb18a71cfe1c9d8da\u0022\u003ERt Hon DAVID CARTER (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. What a proud day for Ng\u0101ti Porou, and I take a special opportunity to acknowledge the huge crowd who have travelled all the way from Ng\u0101ti Porou country to be here today. Can I also say that I won\u2019t take my four minutes, because I\u2019m looking forward to the waiata and we\u2019ve only got one more speech after me before we have that wonderful historic waiata in this House today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003ECan I start by acknowledging the contributions of all the members of Parliament that I\u2019ve heard this afternoon. The Hon Willie Jackson\u2014I don\u2019t often agree with him, but he\u2019s right. Today is, well, a chance for him to make a couple of confessions but, more importantly, he acknowledged this as a day of huge celebration, and it is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EI want to also acknowledge the leaders of Ng\u0101ti Porou. I see Selwyn Parata there. Can I also refer, and I know everybody else has referred, to the late Api Mahuika. Can I just say that as a Minister shortly after the Key Government came in in 2008, I was made the Minister of agriculture, forestry, and fisheries, and I immediately had the opportunity to interact with Uncle Api. There are some people who have a real influence on one\u2019s life, and upon meeting him, I could see he was one of those men. He had that wonderful way of giving very good guidance, but in a way that was polite and respectful of my position. He had that word that M\u0101ori have\u2014it\u2019s \u201Cmana\u201D\u2014and even to this day, I\u2019m sure that you miss him as much as I do. He was a wonderful contributor. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EAs a member of Parliament, one of the privileges is you get to travel all around New Zealand, and there are two very special places for me that, sadly, most New Zealanders don\u2019t get to. One\u2019s on the West Coast of the North Island\u2014Taranaki, a wonderful part of the world\u2014but the other is your patch, the East Cape and that wonderful city of Gisborne. The last time I was there, sadly\u2014so it\u2019s been a while\u2014was the tangi for the Hon Parekura Horomia. I\u2019d only just been made Speaker, and when I went to the tangi, I was given the privilege of saying a few words. I remember remarking on the way he used to entertain this House. He was the one who would stand to answer a question as a Minister, he\u2019d sit down after answering the question and we, as the Opposition, had no idea what he had just said, and you could see on his own face as he sat down that he\u2019d actually had no idea what he had said. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003ESo it was an absolute privilege then, as Speaker, to preside over a very special memorial to that wonderful member of Parliament here in this House, as members had the opportunity to say their farewells to that person. I think that while we acknowledge the work that\u2019s been done by everybody as this bill has come to its fruition, the Hon Parekura Horomia is certainly, in my mind, to be credited for a lot of the work that he did. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EThe Hon Anne Tolley, the Deputy Speaker, made some interesting comments about the transition of the bill and how long it\u2019s taken\u2014how it\u2019s been through a Labour Government and a National Government and, now, a Labour Government\u2014and I think that goes to show the bipartisan nature of not only this Treaty settlement but all Treaty settlements. One of the greatest lessons that I\u2019ve learnt since I became a member of Parliament in 1994 is the fact that the history was not ever taught to me about the Treaty of Waitangi and the grievances and the inaction by the Crown over decades. Having come to understand how that has hurt not only Ng\u0101ti Porou but all the other iwi that we\u2019ve done settlements with, I am proud for the part that I have played in any Treaty settlement for any recognition of the grievances, because they don\u2019t go away, but at least the Crown, in a bipartisan fashion, can finally start to do something about it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s why we\u2019re all here today, all speaking on this third reading of the Ng\u0101ti Porou settlement bill. It is now about not forgetting the past, because you shouldn\u2019t forget the past, but I encourage you\u2014and I know that without my encouragement, you\u2019ll do this anyway\u2014to look to the future with pride. I wish Ng\u0101ti Porou well with the settlement of this legislation. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u002200d0b2274e16403eb5e8c0b5a0f450f8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002200d0b2274e16403eb5e8c0b5a0f450f8\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E E Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ng\u0101 mema o Te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. Kua tae mai a Hikurangi, kua tae mai a Waiap\u016B, kua tae mai Ng\u0101ti Porou, Porourangi, n\u014D reira, \u014Dku rau rangatira m\u0101, kui m\u0101, e koro m\u0101, pakeke m\u0101, ng\u0101 m\u0101tua, ng\u0101 tauira, mokopuna, tamariki, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[Madam Deputy Speaker, I greet you. Members of the House, greetings to us all. Hikurangi has arrived, Waiap\u016B has arrived, and Ng\u0101ti Porou and Porourangi have arrived. Consequently, my esteemed people, elders, adults, parents, students, grandchildren, and children, greetings, greetings, greetings to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIt is indeed a honour for me to rise and say a few words in this third and final reading of the Ng\u0101 Rohe Moana o Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou Bill (No 2), and I was reflecting on all the previous speeches around those that have been instrumental in bringing this bill to the House. I too want to acknowledge the late Uncle Api Mahuika. I want to acknowledge the current negotiators that picked up his mantle. I want to acknowledge Ma and Selwyn Parata for bringing this bill and for the work that they have done to bring it here, and to honour the patience, the resilience, and the tenacity of Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou in enduring a 16-year journey\u2014a 16-year journey\u2014that started back in 2003 as a result of the Foreshore and Seabed Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThey took it upon themselves to sign the original deed of settlement in October 2008, under the Labour Government\u2014that\u2019s been previously acknowledged\u2014with the Hon Sir Michael Cullen. Of course, a month later, we had a general election in this country, in November 2008, and then all bets were off because the Government of the day wanted to review the Foreshore and Seabed Act. But that didn\u2019t stop Ng\u0101ti Porou engaging with the National-led Government from 2008 to ensure that the Takutai Moana Bill of 2011, which was passed as a result of the National Government\u2019s review, was reflected in an amendment to this new deed for Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo that was in 2008. The Takutai Moana Act came out in 2011, and it wasn\u2019t until August 2017, under the Hon Chris Finlayson, that the amended deed was signed. So it\u2019s important\u2014particularly as I look at the rangatahi in front of me, in the gallery\u2014that that statement of patience, of tenacity, and of resilience is reflected in how long we have taken to bring this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIn November 2017, we had another general election, and in came the coalition Government. I want to acknowledge that from the time that that amended deed was signed under a National-led Government in August 2017, it has been approximately 21 months to this day, when we are now passing this piece of legislation. So it is absolutely right that both sides of the House acknowledge their part in this process, but I am particularly proud of the coalition Government\u2014of my Labour colleagues\u2014who took 21 months to make sure that we not only introduce the bill but we pass it. For some, it may have been too slow, but I\u2019m proud to stand here in support of this bill, acknowledging all the players and the actors behind the scenes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIt is truly a unique bill. It is truly a unique bill, and enough cannot be said of the foresight and the leadership of those who originally brought this idea of protecting Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou and having their customary and commercial rights, and everything else they want to do on their foreshore, protected in legislation. For me, it is important to acknowledge that this bill shows that lore\u2014l-o-r-e\u2014actually trumps law\u2014l-a-w\u2014and I want to acknowledge that in passing this legislation, we are simply reaffirming that what we, as hap\u016B members and as wh\u0101nau members, know exists today has never ever been extinguished. Our mana whenua and our mana moana have always remained in the hands of hap\u016B. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo now, today, you are witnessing the legislative part of this country catching up with the l-o-r-e\u2014the lore\u2014and I wanted to make sure that I made that point because I don\u2019t think I can actually draw on an example where that has ever happened before. It cannot be overestimated, the significance, not just of this bill but of the reaffirming of the mana motuhake and the rangatiratanga of hap\u016B. So I wanted to just share that thought. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThe other one that\u2019s brought to mind, when we\u2019re addressing this bill, is the boldness. So in 2003, because of the Foreshore and Seabed Act, the idea of an iwi e ng\u0101 hap\u016B rallying to protect what they knew were instinctively their rights through legislation was bold. It was bold and it was unheard of, but today it makes complete sense. So if we are to be bold and do things differently in this House\u2014sometimes the issues that we debate in this House do not make sense; but on this occasion, the boldness to protect those hap\u016B on the coastline of Ng\u0101ti Porou back then, makes absolute sense today. Again, I just want to acknowledge the leaders of that time, the trust that went behind trusting the protection of Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThere have been some stories shared in this House about the Hon Parekura Horomia. I want to thank our \u201Ccousin\u201D, the Hon Paul Goldsmith, now that we\u2019ve all heard on the public record his M\u0101ori whakapapa. So now we\u2019ve got another ally on that side of the House when it comes to kaupapa M\u0101ori. So I want to acknowledge the Hon Paul Goldsmith and his recognition of his M\u0101ori whakapapa, because that\u2019s absolutely right, Paul Goldsmith\u2014big wh\u0101nau of Goldsmiths up the coast. So when you acknowledged that, I said, \u201CWelcome cuzzy bro.\u201D I look forward to your tautoko, when we are bringing kaupapa M\u0101ori issues to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ELike I said, I want to acknowledge the late Hon Parekura Horomia. Six years ago in June, or, actually, it was in March or April, when he passed and left us. The Hon Willie Jackson, there\u2019s one thing that you can learn from the great Hon Parekura Horomia, and that\u2019s about holding the line. So yes, Governments come and go but kaupapa remains constant. If there was one thing that Parekura talked about, walked, and exemplified, it was that when it came to kaupapa M\u0101ori: hold the line. So the Hon Willie Jackson, there\u2019s a bit of a lesson in there for all of us. So our whanaunga the Hon Willie Jackson, he does great work on behalf of the M\u0101ori caucus, but it\u2019s a message for all of us here in this House, when it comes to kaupapa that is near and dear to us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo my final statement is to our tauira that are in front of us. I want to acknowledge Te Kura Kaupapa M\u0101ori o Kawakawa mai Tawhiti for joining us here today. A lot of hands have gone into the making of this bill, but it is your hands that will carry on the importance of this bill. This bill enables and enacts the power and the undisturbed rights of our coastline at a hap\u016B level, and it is in your hands\u2014not \u0101p\u014Dp\u014D, in\u0101ianei\u2014around how we exercise that right to protect and create opportunities up our coastline. So it\u2019s to you, our future\u2014k\u0101ore e rangatira \u0101p\u014Dp\u014D, he rangatira in\u0101ianei [not a leader tomorrow, but a leader today]. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo I mihi to you for coming. I wish you all the best as you return home, and remind you that this a significant day for Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Porou. I stand in honour of supporting this bill. N\u014D reira e te iwi, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[Therefore to the nation, greetings, greetings, greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002266ec4bc2e2344e4f81c6dd6f8639ffe2\u0022\u003EBuilding Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00225d386a42bd914a728bbfe5b481eb937e\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000480\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 9 May.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u0022988a5b6ca6354a23886fef1d879f217a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022988a5b6ca6354a23886fef1d879f217a\u0022\u003ENICOLA WILLIS (National):\u003C/span\u003E From the profoundly moving to the what I\u2019m sure will be somewhat less profound but still important issues of the Building Amendment Bill. This is a bill that National supports, and I want to start by thanking the Transport and Infrastructure Committee, which has worked on it, in particular our great members Matt King, Alastair Scott, and the very fine Tim van de Molen. I thank the members in particular because what this bill does\u2014and it is a piece of legislation that represents work of the previous National Government\u2014is it deals with issues that involve really difficult clashes of people\u2019s relative rights. The bill, of course, seeks to amend the laws as they relate to how buildings are managed after an emergency and to allow for proper investigation by Government authorities of any weaknesses in buildings and how we could prevent those in the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EThis is all very real stuff for us here in Wellington. We saw after the Kaik\u014Dura earthquake\u2014and I know my colleagues in Canterbury saw before us\u2014the devastating damage that major earthquakes can do and the consequential issues for building owners. These issues can be particularly acute in the immediate days following a disaster, and there are difficult decisions to be made. This legislation provides much clearer guidance about how those decisions are made so as to protect life.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EYou have people wanting to get access to their personal property and business records, sometimes in buildings that are perfectly safe but there\u2019s a building next door that\u2019s not safe. How do we ensure that we protect people\u2019s lives but also ensure that, where appropriate, they are able to make access?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EYou also have engineers in the immediate aftermath of earthquakes working incredibly hard, long hours, having to make dozens of critical decisions in order to provide authorities good advice about what should be done with buildings, which should be demolished, and when. Again, this bill clarifies matters and provides good guidance to decision makers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EHere in Wellington, I know that one of the complex issues we need to be prepared for and that I am pleased this bill creates certainty around is the issue of complex body corporate structures, where you can have private property owners who may take offence at officials having powers to demolish their most valuable asset. You add to that the mix of heritage issues and the inherent emotional stresses that people are under post an earthquake, and that can be an explosive mix of competing interests.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003ESo, as I said, I thank the members of the committee, who clearly have worked in a constructive way to balance these competing rights and interests and come up with a piece of legislation that can be supported by both sides of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EThe two areas that the bill covers, of course, are distinct. One is around improving the system for managing buildings immediately after an emergency\u2014as I\u2019ve detailed\u2014but the other is to provide the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) additional powers to investigate building failures. This is the part of the bill that I see as very important for our future, because what it ensures is that MBIE, where it has concerns about structural issues, underlying issues in buildings, has extensive powers to investigate failures, and the reason those extensive powers are important is it allows officials to learn the lessons for the future of what other failures could be anticipated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EWe, of course, have seen that here in Wellington with the failure of Statistics House, where we saw that learnings were taken\u2014actually, I prefer \u201Clessons\u201D; we won\u2019t call them learnings\u2014about pre-cast concrete floors. What we know is really important is that when we understand new things about the way the buildings may perform under the stress of an earthquake, we use that to create guidance for the future. This bill gives clarity to MBIE that it has the powers to make those investigations and make recommendations for the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EI\u2019d note, in commending this bill to the House, that we here on the National side are hopeful that there will be more building legislation coming through this House, because there are certainly some pressing issues, with skill shortages, product certification issues, consent issues, and the collapse of many construction companies. We note that this is the only piece of legislation that the Minister has brought to the House in the 18 months since being appointed to the portfolio and hope for much more. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022 data-id=\u0022a18065e9739449e296c478b7d28f04c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a18065e9739449e296c478b7d28f04c4\u0022\u003EKIERAN McANULTY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker. I rise for a very short call on the Building Amendment Bill. I see absolutely no need in delaying the passage of this at its second reading. I think it absolutely marvellous that yet again this House has an example where both sides of the House are working together in support of something that absolutely makes sense. I think it\u2019s regrettable that the public do not see these examples, which are more frequent than they might think. I see no point in delaying this. I commend the bill to the House. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c23c61c1896143e1aa44d9a40f1414e5\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can we just get on with the debate on the bill, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022 data-id=\u0022ab9e4e6a9da34a06952765c3b1b5df35\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ab9e4e6a9da34a06952765c3b1b5df35\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENNETT (National\u2014Hamilton East):\u003C/span\u003E So the Building Amendment Bill: the second reading is in front of the House here today. National supports the bill. It\u2019s one of those pieces of work that the National Government had started in our previous Government, and it\u2019s been brought to the House by the Minister for Building and Construction about 18 months after her appointment to the portfolio. It makes valuable changes to the sector, and we all realise what an important area the building area is for our communities, especially with the issues around housing that were always exposed in this House through question time. We need to make sure that there are the skills in the building sector, there are the products that are certified, and the consent issues are dealt with, and, well, you need to also look at some of the building companies that have been under concern with their financial position.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EWe also need to be mindful that the housing area is something that is the biggest asset that many communities, and families especially, will invest in. They\u2019re something that they need to have security and peace of mind around, because it is their fundamental asset that they save a lifetime for and it is the biggest asset that most people will purchase during their lifetime. They deserve and expect Government to have set the rules and the requirements so that they can have certainty around those purchases, because it is their lifetime asset.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003ESo we encourage the Minister to continue this work. I see Mr Twyford is across the room and no doubt will be looking forward to this legislation passing, as well. We commend this bill to the House. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022 data-id=\u0022f92094fd16764fc8b4255f839fbc59cf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f92094fd16764fc8b4255f839fbc59cf\u0022\u003EKIRITAPU ALLAN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I too rise just to take a very brief call in support of the Building Amendment Bill in this second reading. I want to acknowledge the work of the Minister the Hon Jenny Salesa in bringing this piece of legislation through. I actually want to reiterate the comments of my colleague Kieran McAnulty. On many occasions\u2014the advent of bringing through legislation in this House that both sides of the House consider significant and important. So I just want to acknowledge both sides of the House for making that commitment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard from others about the range of submissions\u201425 written submissions on this bill; 10 amendments across the bill in total, with three key sections being amended\u2014that being the management of buildings after an emergency, the investigation of building failures, and then there were several miscellaneous matters. Those have been traversed thoroughly by those speakers that have gone previous in this debate, so I won\u2019t go through them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003EBut I just will say that it\u2019s really pleasing to have this type of legislation that ensures that our buildings that are important\u2014sorry, of course they\u2019re important; they\u2019re buildings. It\u2019s pleasing to see the work that the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment has put into this to ensure that these buildings will be safe, in light of all of the tragedies that we\u2019ve seen across from Kaik\u014Dura through Wellington and the advent of greater natural disasters that are occurring. We need to up the standards, and this bill is a consequence of the work that has gone through this House on many occasions. So I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ba32196d524642cab73bf6de5ab75dbe\u0022\u003ECanterbury Earthquakes Insurance Tribunal Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b2e5d1d0d82841bf8c7b8e8b1063cec1\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u002294708973d6334177a941ce73651590a8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002294708973d6334177a941ce73651590a8\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister of Police)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for Courts: I move, That the Canterbury Earthquakes Insurance Tribunal Bill be now read a third time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EThis bill will help support thousands of weary, frustrated Cantabrians resolve their long-standing insurance claims. The people of Canterbury have been sidelined for too long, and with this bill we are putting them back in the centre. I am proud to be moving this bill through the House and look forward to the tribunal being able to make real progress in resolving these issues. I\u2019m pleased to see that there is majority support across the House for getting closure for these homeowners who have waited nearly nine years to resolve their insurance claims. I\u2019d like to thank everyone who contributed towards this bill, in particular the Governance and Administration Committee for their thorough work in suggesting improvements to the bill and the members of the public who took time to provide a submission on the bill, for their valuable feedback. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EThe bill will establish the Canterbury Earthquakes Insurance Tribunal. The tribunal will be a specialist judicial body that provides policyholders affected physically, mentally, emotionally, and financially by the 2010 and 2011 Canterbury earthquakes with a way to resolve their long-standing residential insurance claims with the Earthquake Commission (EQC) and insurers, including Southern Response. The tribunal has been designed to provide fair, speedy, flexible, and cost-effective services, including a funded mediation service to Cantabrians with outstanding claims so that they can achieve some closure on what they\u2019ve been through for almost nine years, and move on with their lives.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EThe tribunal will be homeowner-initiated and easy to access. This means the decision to access the tribunal will be in the homeowner\u2019s hands rather than driven by the insurers or the Earthquake Commission. There will be no application fee for the tribunal and policyholders do not need to bring a lawyer if they do not wish to. Policyholders may also bring a support person with them if the tribunal agrees\u2014which is particularly important, as we know from a Canterbury District Health Board wellbeing survey that policyholders with unresolved claims have experienced significantly more stress compared to those who have settled their claims or other Cantabrians. The tribunal has been developed as an alternative pathway specific to the Canterbury earthquakes\u2019 context, emphasising speed, flexibility, cost-effectiveness, and, of course, fairness. It is not intended to replace the courts or any other existing dispute resolution processes. The tribunal will provide people with another option to help resolve their claims in addition to all other existing options, including courts, private mediation and facilitation, and the Greater Christchurch Claims Resolution Service. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EFlexibility is the key element of the tribunal process. We know that the remaining insurance claims are complex and that the one-size-fits-all approach would be unhelpful. For this reason, the bill allows resolution processes to be tailored to the needs of each claim. For example, the tribunal process includes a fully funded mediation service; however, after eight years, parties may already have tried to settle their claims through other dispute resolution processes. Therefore, the bill gives the tribunal the flexibility to decide on a case by case basis when mediation will be helpful and when it won\u2019t. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EThe tribunal has a number of powers to help it consider claims. For example, it will be able to appoint independent experts. These experts will play a key role in helping the tribunal to understand complex information and provide an independent view of competing expert opinions. The tribunal can convene conferences of experts to streamline evidence within claims. This can make for a more effective and efficient process, and help avoid duplication of advice or evidence. The tribunal can also bring separate claims together to hear technical evidence on similar subject matter at a special hearing with all affected parties present, provided all the parties to the claim agree. This means that a number of claims with similar technical issues can, if the parties agree, be resolved more efficiently. The tribunal will also be able to set time frames that parties must follow. This will help ensure that claims keep moving. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EOverall, there are many benefits for policyholders to bring claims to the tribunal: homeowners are the ones that get to choose to use the tribunal and it is accessible for homeowners, with no fees, no requirements for lawyers, and allows for support persons. The tribunal has powers to manage experts and technical evidence sufficiently and fairly for all parties and keep claims moving forward through the process. All of this will be carried out with the bill\u2019s purpose in mind: to be fair, speedy, flexible, and cost-effective. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EAgain, I extend my sincere thanks to the Governance and Administration Committee, and to everyone who submitted on the bill for their contributions. This Government promised that it would help those policyholders left behind for too long after the Canterbury earthquakes, and I believe that this bill and this tribunal meet that promise. I am pleased with how we have developed this bill to work for Cantabrians and I am confident the tribunal will help those who need it. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022 data-id=\u0022eff07b65e3de49a3a7c1486cc0d24fad\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eff07b65e3de49a3a7c1486cc0d24fad\u0022\u003ESTUART SMITH (National\u2014Kaik\u014Dura):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Well, the bill\u2019s been well-outlined by the Minister. There are some very good things about this bill; however, there are some quite bad things about this bill, and I\u2019m going to touch on those. I can start by saying that the National Party will not be voting for this bill, because of the significant issues that I will be pointing out in a moment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003ENo one disputes that there needs to be some final justice for those people through the system, but you don\u2019t deal with injustice by creating another injustice, and that is what this bill will do. I introduced several Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) during the committee of the whole House stage, none of which were supported by the Government\u2014they may well feel quite uncomfortable about that in time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003ESo one of the first ones I brought in was around allowing who can bring a claim to the tribunal. As the legislation stands, it\u2019s only an insured that can do that. That is actually against the advice that Cabinet received from their own department, which said \u201CYou cannot do this, you should not do this\u201D, but they\u2019ve done it anyway. It is unprecedented in contract law in New Zealand. The only time that you have an access issue like this is like in the leaky homes legislation tribunal, and that\u2019s where all the problems come from with this bill. They have been quite lazy; they\u2019ve just done a cut and paste from that legislation into this bill, and that is where the problems begin because that is under a tort law and this is under contract law. So that is a major issue with the bill\u2014it\u2019s something that we won\u2019t support for many reasons, but that\u2019s one of them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003EThe second one, I think, perhaps more importantly, is clause 37(4) in the bill which potentially limits the rights for cross-examination and calling of expert witnesses. It actually goes against the purpose of the bill. One of the purposes of the bill\u2014and the Minister touched on this\u2014is for fairness. This is not fair. I\u2019ll read the clause; it says: \u201C[it] does not require the tribunal to\u2014(a) permit the cross-examination of a party or person: [or] (b) allow the use of an expert by a party in the tribunal\u2019s processes\u201D. These disputes are all about experts; that\u2019s how the insurance damage is assessed. It\u2019s about how the damage is assessed, what the quantum is to repair it; it all swings on expert witnesses, and yet that tribunal has the right to actually limit that. It\u2019s also in contravention of section 27(1) of the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, which I\u2019ll quote from this\u2014[Interruption]\u2014it\u2019s very important, and perhaps they could listen\u2014\u201CEvery person has the right to the observance of the principles of natural justice by any tribunal or other public authority which has the power to make a determination in respect of that person\u2019s rights, obligations, or interests protected or recognised by law.\u201D This goes against that, and the problem with it is, far from being speedy, it could end with someone taking this to the High Court if they feel that their rights have been trampled on by this tribunal. A simple thing to have fixed\u2014I had a Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) that would have fixed it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003EIt was interesting during the select committee process and in the committee of the whole House; you could see how\u2014not you, Madam Deputy Speaker, but, believe me, I could\u2014uncomfortable the officials were with some of the things in this bill. They had to do what they were told. They were deeply unhappy and deeply uncomfortable. The only one thing that was really bad in this sort of area\u2014we tidied a whole lot up in the select committee\u2014was around the issue of awarding damages for mental distress, which we got thrown out. The officials were deeply unhappy\u2014it was quite entertaining, actually, but I felt sorry for them. They were doing what they were told.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003EAnother SOP I put up was to ensure that the tribunal members had suitable knowledge and experience in this area; so that they had a law degree, several years of legal practice, or that they had arbitration experience. Unfortunately, that is not the case in the bill, and what will happen, potentially, is these highly complex matters could be decided or adjudicated on by someone who lacks the experience of someone with legal training or arbitration experience to sort out what the right and the wrong is in that argument. It is absolutely incredible that that should be put in this bill. I can\u2019t believe it, and I know also the officials were deeply unhappy with that and very uncomfortable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003EThe final one I want to touch on is around the third parties. In some cases, these insurance claims will include a third party, which might be a builder who has done some earthquake repairs, and the insured is unhappy with those and has taken a claim to the tribunal. So you\u2019ll have, potentially, the Earthquake Commission, an insurance company, and the insured, plus this third party or parties before the tribunal. Unfortunately, in the bill, the moment the insured and the insurer have reached a resolution, it\u2019s discharged from the tribunal\u2014it\u2019s finished. So if those third parties haven\u2019t reached a resolution with them, that then has to go to court. If you\u2019re talking about fairness, if you\u2019re talking about speed, if you\u2019re talking about justice, why not keep it in the tribunal until they\u2019re all tidied up and settle there? It will have a perverse effect, potentially, of encouraging the slowing down of the process because it will be like a Mexican stand-off, waiting for someone to blink, and they won\u2019t want to settle. It may, in fact, also lead to appeals to the High Court. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003EI think all of those are significant issues with this bill. I think it\u2019s untidy\u2014I\u2019m being very kind\u2014legislation. It\u2019s unnecessary. The people of Canterbury and Christchurch deserve better than this, and I don\u2019t know why it\u2019s been so sloppy. I think it\u2019s unusual that the Minister of Justice would bring something that potentially impinges so badly on our New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, and for that reason I oppose this bill with some vigour. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022 data-id=\u00226e8c29e5b2384049bc0195db1dd607af\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226e8c29e5b2384049bc0195db1dd607af\u0022\u003EDr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E There\u2019s just some incredulity and disappointment when I listen to the member for Kaik\u014Dura\u2014someone whose constituents have been affected by an enormous earthquake of their own, and here we have a piece of legislation which, at last, is addressing the crisis of access to justice that we have in New Zealand. As I was thinking about this, I dug back in my old law books and I looked at the Statute of Westminster, The First, from 1275. This is the oldest piece of\u2014[Interruption] Learn something, in the whip\u2019s chair over there. Here\u2019s a bit of law for you, the oldest bit of law we\u2019ve got, and it says that \u201Ccommon right be done to all, as well poor as rich, without respect of persons\u201D\u2014that\u2019s our oldest bit of law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003EYou know what? In New Zealand right now, the poor\u2014and even the middle classes, the moderately wealthy\u2014don\u2019t have access to justice, and Christchurch is an example of that. The High Court list there, the earthquake list there, still has over 500 claims unresolved in Christchurch. We hear the member for Kaik\u014Dura saying that he doesn\u2019t want that addressed. He thinks that, really, everything is okay. He\u2019s not going to support this. The clearance rates on those cases\u2014in 2018, 253 new claims were filed; seven were resolved. That is not justice working. Now, I\u2019m not blaming the judges or even the lawyers who work in those courts. They\u2019re working within rules and within a framework which is, simply, broken. If you think about what it costs to go to court\u2014what it costs, even just setting down and paying the bill so the court will book your dates for a 10-day trial: $34,000.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b0bb5192ba2e49dbbaac3e08096f6361\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: How much?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022395696f5e38846c99b61fae1d59391ea\u0022\u003EDr DUNCAN WEBB\u003C/span\u003E: Do you know what? Do you know what, Mr McAnulty\u2014$34,000, and here\u2019s the irony: to get legal aid, you have to earn less than $23,820. So it\u2019s an absolute Kafkaesque paradox. It\u2019s impossible. So here we have a bill, a bill which, in principle\u2014and can I just go back a step and say that Mr Stuart Smith talks about natural justice. Well, natural justice should not be justice you can\u2019t afford. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003ESo what we have here is a tribunal based on four principles. Fairness\u2014and I\u2019m going to talk about that; I\u2019m going to address the points raised by Mr Smith. Speedy\u2014frankly, when you\u2019ve got claims that have been languishing in the High Court for four years, there are people who have died waiting, and that\u2019s not good enough. Flexible\u2014something that looks at the size of the problem, the nature of the parties, and adjusts to fit. And cost-effective\u2014if you\u2019ve got a claim that\u2019s $300,000 in dispute, it\u2019s no good having to spend that on your experts, on your court fees, and on your lawyers\u2019 costs, and can I just say that\u2019s absolutely how much those experts, court fees, and lawyers\u2019 costs add up to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003ESo to talk about natural justice\u2014and, look, it\u2019s all very nice for the member over there to say that rights of cross-examination and rights to have experts are absolute, but, you know, it\u2019s a pity Mr Finlayson\u2019s not still in the House, because he would be the first to haul that member in and say, \u201CHey, sonny Jim, you haven\u2019t been in court. You haven\u2019t seen the abuse by the battle of the experts, where well-funded litigants\u201D\u2014and here, let\u2019s face it, I\u2019m talking about insurers\u2014\u201Cwill just grind a matter out with a geotechnical expert, an engineer, another engineer, a building surveyor, a land surveyor, and off they go.\u201D Of course the poor homeowner, who may be earning a goodly sum\u2014decent, well above the average wage\u2014may have a family income of $90,000 or $100,000, they can\u2019t even keep up with that. They can\u2019t borrow against their broken house any more. They can\u2019t fund it. So it\u2019s entirely reasonable for this tribunal, under the provisions here, including section 37, to be able to appoint its own expert.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003ESo, look, I\u2019m not interested in this battle of the experts. I\u2019m not interested in generating disagreement where none need exist. I want to see an independent expert. I want to see one who isn\u2019t beholden to either party, who isn\u2019t on the payroll, who hasn\u2019t had the entire last four years giving reports to the litigant party insurer and amending those reports to make sure that they fit within the budgetary constraints that the insurer imposes. That kind of expert, whilst they might still technically qualify as an independent expert, knows where their loyalties lie. So there\u2019s absolutely nothing wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003EI entirely agree that the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act should apply, along with the Statute of Westminster, The First, along with that good old Magna Carta that we see that we see quoted so often, 1279: \u201CWe will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man justice or right.\u201D We\u2019ve been denying justice and right in Christchurch for far too long. The current Chief Justice, in her Ethel Benjamin lecture, gave a fantastic paper on access to justice, and she identified the fact that ordinary people\u2014just ordinary folks who you think would never have a worry in the world\u2014when they run into a significant problem, can\u2019t afford to go to court. So this is a sea change in civil justice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003EYou know, I don\u2019t buy into Mr Smith\u2019s suggestion that it\u2019s simply a rehash of the Weathertight Homes Tribunal. That\u2019s quite wrong. You know, I had quite a lot to do with that tribunal as well; clearly, he didn\u2019t. That tribunal got bogged down in procedure. That got bogged down in appellate procedures and in interlocutrixes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003EThe other thing that this does, in a fantastic way, is buy into alternate dispute resolution. It is integrated with the Greater Christchurch rebuild programme, and it will be able to use mediations where appropriate and enter into binding mediation arrangements where the parties are given a mediator and where they are encouraged to identify what\u2019s in dispute so that they don\u2019t have to embark on\u2014and, let\u2019s just remember, the costs of litigation are not just financial. They are emotional, and they consume enormous amounts of time, and if we can encourage parties to take independent technical advice and to mediate their disputes, then they will avoid that cost, that time, and all of that grief.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003EJust one other thing: you know, lawyers don\u2019t have a monopoly on how to resolve disputes. Yes, a lawyer will head this tribunal, but it is absolutely imperative that we have other people with other skills alongside them, and we do that in other technical areas. The Commerce Commission is a really good idea in Commerce Act cases. So where we have technical problems, we need people with technical knowledge to help us solve them. Sure, lawyers are going to be good at ensuring process is there, understanding the legal framework, but this is a tribunal which has a fact-finding role, and to have a fact-finding role in respect of technical engineering and building disputes, you need people with those skills and that knowledge.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003ESo, look, I\u2019m sure the member for Kaik\u014Dura is out on his own. I\u2019m sure the rest of his party, including Nicky Wagner, is going to vote in favour of this bill, because she, surely, with her people in Christchurch, the people she knows, knows how hard it\u2019s been. She certainly was out there helping them, dealing with them, and still is on a daily basis, I\u2019m sure, and she would know the tears that this has caused. I can\u2019t imagine that she\u2019ll stand up and say that this isn\u2019t a fantastic idea. We know there\u2019s a shortage of justice. We know there are 500 cases outstanding in the High Court. We know there are about 20 still in the Court of Appeal and there\u2019s at least one in the Supreme Court. I haven\u2019t even mentioned the District Court, where a lot of people go. So, look, I\u2019m sure there\u2019s going to be a heart-warming speech indicating her support for this fine bill, a change in the way we do justice. This, I\u2019m sure, will be a template for how we do justice in the future, and I look forward to the support from the other side.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022 data-id=\u002253d8fa865a7746cdabaad80cb958430c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002253d8fa865a7746cdabaad80cb958430c\u0022\u003EHon NICKY WAGNER (National):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m absolutely delighted to stand up and speak to this bill because I absolutely do not agree with Dr Webb. Now, I\u2019ll tell you why. National was very keen to support this bill\u2014we were very keen to support this bill. We were hopeful that it would provide an effective alternative mechanism for Christchurch\u2019s, Canterbury\u2019s, and maybe even Kaik\u014Dura\u2019s outstanding earthquake claims. Of course we would support any legislation that would provide flexible, speedy, and cost-effective resolutions of earthquake claims. Of course we would support that, but this proposed tribunal will do none of that, and let me tell you why\u2014let me tell you why; the problem is that this tribunal is not fit for purpose.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EI want to note, Dr Webb, that it doesn\u2019t matter how cheap it is dollar-wise; if it doesn\u2019t work, it\u2019s enormously expensive emotionally and socially. We have seen the people of Christchurch go through enormous amounts of trauma, and to put them through another process that doesn\u2019t work is absolutely unacceptable. For example, let me tell you, this tribunal can only deal with simple cases\u2014simple cases that are not already in the court; please note, Dr Webb. But the vast majority of the 2,233 outstanding cases\u2014and I would like to note that there were 66,000 cases originally. Of the 2,233 outstanding claims, the vast majority of them are complex and technical. That\u2019s why they\u2019re outstanding. Otherwise, simple cases can be solved and have been solved\u2014over 65,000 of them have already been solved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThis tribunal is not flexible enough to deal with complex and technical cases. Furthermore, the resolution of claims through this tribunal will not be speedy. I have a good reason to say it won\u2019t be speedy: the regulatory impact statement said\u2014and I\u2019m quoting this\u2014\u201CClaims may take just as long, or longer, to be resolved through the new tribunal than under the status quo.\u201D So why would you consider setting up something that would be just as long, if not longer, than the status quo? On top of that, the majority of the cases will not be able to be resolved through this new tribunal\u2014the majority won\u2019t be able to\u2014and nothing will be quick. Finally, it won\u2019t be cost-effective.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThese are the three reasons why we\u2019re putting this tribunal up. We\u2019re going to put it up because it\u2019s going to be flexible, it\u2019s going to be speedy\u2014and we\u2019ve discounted both of those\u2014and it\u2019s going to be cost-effective. Actually, it\u2019s an expensive process to set up the tribunal, particularly considering the very small number of cases that it will be able to address. Particularly, I note that the tribunal has no ability to deal with one of the most challenging problems in the claims space, and that\u2019s the resolution of onsold-housing claims. So it\u2019s ridiculous. This is the biggest issue and the tribunal can\u2019t deal with that either.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EIn conclusion\u2014I\u2019ll make it short and sweet\u2014the tribunal is not flexible enough, it does not provide a speedy service, and it won\u2019t be cost-effective, so of course we\u2019re not going to support the bill. However, I would like to make a more positive note. I would encourage the Government to continue to fund and support the Residential Advisory Service. Now, the Residential Advisory Service\u2014a free service, free to claimants\u2014was established by the National Government. It\u2019s normally called the RAS, affectionately, and it has a strong record of successful claim resolution\u2014a strong record\u2014and has the confidence of the people of Christchurch. We have seen thousands of people go through this process and have their claims resolved in flexible, speedy, and cost-effective ways. So I believe supporting the RAS would be a far more intelligent thing than to set up a new tribunal. It is more flexible, it is more speedy, and it is more cost-effective than this proposed tribunal. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022 data-id=\u0022cbd090a0eb7b4aba9baacb1e89022bca\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cbd090a0eb7b4aba9baacb1e89022bca\u0022\u003EMARK PATTERSON (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to give New Zealand First\u2019s strong support to this Canterbury Earthquakes Insurance Tribunal Bill\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002289bae290592649f7a20b92ee5f2d4fce\u0022\u003EHon Nicky Wagner\u003C/span\u003E: How much time do you spend in Christchurch?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b347296d7aa74efb8be90e1fbdc5fe56\u0022\u003EMARK PATTERSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014which establishes the Christchurch Earthquakes Insurance Tribunal. I was actually in Christchurch on Friday, Ms Wagner.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EWe strongly support this. This is an absolutely common-sense piece of legislation. After nearly nine years since the September 2010 quake, the first of that massive series of quakes that so devastated Christchurch\u2014and even if you go there, as I was on Friday, into the central city or if you go out to the eastern suburbs, there are still significant implications from those events. It is still a city with a substantial rebuild in front of it. Of course, not only have we got those 500-odd claims in the courts but we\u2019ve got those nearly 2,500 claims sitting outside that process, still wanting to be settled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EI have listened aghast to the National Party\u2019s position on this. All I have heard is pedantic nonsense and, frankly, it\u2019s a shame. Nothing, I don\u2019t think, underscores the tin ear and the leaderless, rudderless Opposition than voting against this absolutely common-sense piece of legislation. We have heard about the wellness survey with the Canterbury District Health Board that shows the significant stress and mental health issues involved for people that are still going through these processes after eight or nine years. There is an incredible power imbalance between individuals with their house insurance issues. For an example, there was one I know that was referenced in my first reading speech. There was a 93-year-old and an 82-year-old, a couple, that were still battling for their insurance payout eight years after the quake. It\u2019s for those people that we need to bring this measure in. They\u2019ve been thoroughly neglected.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EThe only issue with this bill, actually, is that it should have been brought in three or four years ago, and that is a shame. The Opposition are sitting here in this House today and railing against a thoroughly sensible measure, a long-overdue measure that will provide a circuit-breaker for those people that have been really struggling with these insurance issues for those major events that they\u2019ve had to go through.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EThis bill and this tribunal will put control in the hands of the claimants. It addresses that power imbalance and it gives the policyholders, not the insurers or the Earthquake Commission (EQC), the ability to be in the driving seat. It may not settle all the claims but there is still the court process to go to. There are other avenues, but this provides a cost-effective measure that will take some of the stress and add some support around those people that have been struggling for so long with this incredibly serious issue. Of course, for the insurance companies and EQC, they\u2019ve still got the courts there as their recourse as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EIt will be cost-effective. How can something with no fee not be cost-effective for the claimants? I note the establishment costs listed were budgeted for and provisioned in last year\u2019s Budget at $6.5 million and the operational costs are sitting at $1.5 million. When you look at the scale of this event, and the billions and billions of dollars that have gone into rebuilding Christchurch, and the mental health issues coming at this end of the process, that money can so easily be justified and quantified by the Government to try to help some of its most vulnerable citizens deal with such a traumatic set of circumstances.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003EIt will also unclog the courts. As we hear, there\u2019s 500-odd claims in the District Court alone\u2014or is it the High Court\u2014that Duncan Webb was referring to in his earlier contribution. So if we can just take some of those out of the High Court. We know that waiting times are quite long in some cases, and justice delayed is justice denied. So New Zealand First will absolutely be supporting this bill; this is a common-sense measure, and something that we are noted for. So we absolutely will support this bill. We note the select committee and some of the changes that have been made as appropriate, and commend Brett Hudson and his stewardship of the Governance and Administration Committee in bringing this through. But it\u2019s a pity that he could not convince his colleagues of the merits of actually putting some support round some of the most vulnerable citizens in our country that have gone through so much. So we\u2019ve provisioned for it in the Budget, it\u2019s a common-sense idea and time for it has long ago come, and New Zealand First has much pleasure in confirming our support for this bill. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u002216fe39c73340476987a43df90cad3c1a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002216fe39c73340476987a43df90cad3c1a\u0022\u003EHon JACQUI DEAN (National\u2014Waitaki):\u003C/span\u003E National cannot support this bill. While we certainly agree with the aims and intention of this bill, and supported the bill through to the Governance and Administration Committee\u2014and had a good select committee process over several months, heard a number of submissions, and gave it very full consideration\u2014we can\u2019t support this bill, because it\u2019s not good enough.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EIt is my belief that the Government have taken, on face, some pretty loose provisions in this bill. It\u2019s a blind faith, in my view, given that this tribunal is a judicial tribunal which has quite strong powers. It is independent and it is a judicial body. Yes, it does provide an alternative pathway for dispute resolution and, particularly, resolving outstanding Earthquake Commission (EQC) claims, of which there are still several thousand. But the process that the Government has settled on, in our view, is not strong enough, is not good enough, and not robust enough. I\u2019m just going to highlight one provision which we strongly argued against in select committee and still strongly believe is a measure that has taken the Government down the wrong path, and I\u2019ll explain why I am of that view.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003ESo in terms of the appointment of the tribunal members, the Government has taken the view, and we argued against it, that the Governor-General, on the recommendation of the Minister of Justice, appoint members to the tribunal, only one of whom is required to be legally trained, and with seven years practice. This is, and I\u2019ll say it again, a tribunal with judicial powers, and has the ability to make awards to the same degree that a court can order, or it can award general damages or costs against a party. So for members of the Government to say to this House that it is not necessary to have legal training to sit as a member of this tribunal, I think, is false thinking, and I also think it\u2019s dangerous. It is putting blind faith in tribunal members, who may well be qualified in their field of engineering\u2014most likely to be engineering, or perhaps building and construction, that sort of thing. But without the discipline of legal training, and being mindful of the power of the tribunal and its ability to award damages and costs, I think that this is failing those very people who this legislation seeks to serve, because there is not, potentially, enough rigour, enough legal nous and expertise to deal with these sometimes complex, highly emotional claims that will be brought before them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003EAgain I say, I think this is a matter of blind faith. I also think that, and I quote, the members must be \u201Conly people who, in the Minister\u2019s opinion, are suitable to be appointed as members, taking into account their knowledge, skills, and experience\u201D. Now, I know a number of lawyers\u2014I\u2019ve got one in my life\u2014they\u2019re not just lawyers, particularly lawyers who have had considerably more than seven years\u2019 practising experience. People who are legally trained are also other things. They are also very familiar, particularly if they are domiciled in Christchurch or in the Canterbury region\u2014they too have, potentially, vast experience in these EQC matters and claims on behalf of the clients. So to exclude them, I think, is short-sighted, and I think it is selling the people of Christchurch short.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022 data-id=\u0022a667fa1cb1384f3da0f02e0d927f41cc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a667fa1cb1384f3da0f02e0d927f41cc\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE (Minister of Conservation):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Deputy Speaker, thank you. The Green Party\u2019s very pleased to support the Canterbury Earthquakes Insurance Tribunal Bill. I am astounded at the National Party and their callous approach to the thousands of households where claims have not been resolved in Christchurch. Their opposition to this bill, which is seeking to put in place a speedy, flexible process recognising the attributes of tribunals\u2014instead, the National Party is opposing it. That is just beyond belief.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EThey are opposing the ability of this new tribunal to actually resolve these claims\u2014to get rid of the frustration, the exhaustion that those people who still have outstanding claims feel. It\u2019s been developed to be homeowner initiated. It has got in place a number of safeguards. The previous speaker, Jacqui Dean, seemed to be ignoring the fact that the tribunal is able to actually get its own expert independent advisers to assist, to understand the technical aspects. The previous speaker was ignoring the fact that the tribunal can refer points of law to the High Court for advice to ensure that there is sound and consistent decision making.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EBut the whole point in establishing this tribunal is to give power back to homeowners, to give power back to people who\u2019ve been frustrated by the court process, and to ensure that they can appear in a forum before a tribunal which is a little less formal than a court process, which has an ability to ask questions, to make inquiries, to call for further evidence, to bring the parties together, and to get these matters, which have gone on for years, resolved. That is the point of this tribunal: to get resolution, to put these cases to bed; and that\u2019s why this tribunal is absolutely necessary. As Mark Patterson noted, this Government has already provided the funding in Budget 2018 to ensure that the tribunal is able to get up and running quickly, as soon as this bill is through the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EOne of the key aspects and benefits of the tribunal is that people do not need to have legal representation when they appear in front of it. That increases access to justice. So the National Party seems to be thinking that it is better to deny people justice, to require them to go to court and the expense that that can often involve. Instead, with this tribunal, people can represent themselves. Often they will be in the best position to do that because it\u2019s their homes that have been affected. It provides access to mediation, which can involve bringing the parties around the table, finding out what are the key issues in dispute, and working collectively to resolve those.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EThe tribunal can be proactive. It will manage cases through the process and set time frames that must be followed so that the claims progress. That is one of the inadequacies of the current system\u2014that things have just been left in limbo. So this is a very effective response to the several thousand cases that are still unresolved. It will be speedy, it will be flexible, and it will be cost-effective. It\u2019s about this Government responding to real need rather than doing what the National Opposition wants\u2014closing its ears and just requiring people to go before the courts. It will replace the Residential Advisory Service, and it is bringing everything together into one body. It will apply the existing law, and it will be effective. The Green Party is very pleased to support it, rather than, as the Opposition is doing, seeking to deny people access to justice, because it\u2019s requiring everybody go through the court system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022 data-id=\u0022abcaeccd8fbf4a568c612f41d7e182bb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022abcaeccd8fbf4a568c612f41d7e182bb\u0022\u003EKANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for the opportunity to debate in this third reading of the Canterbury Earthquakes Insurance Tribunal Bill. I would like to clarify to the previous speaker, Eugenie Sage, that the National Party supported this bill on its first reading and second reading. During the committee of the whole House stage, there were some sensible Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) which were tabled by one of our colleagues from this side, Stuart Nash, which would have improved this bill. The intention of this House is always to make sure that the people get a speedy, more flexible, and cost-effective service to resolve their issues. That is the intention of this bill also.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003EWe also want to make sure that the people in Canterbury who have been suffering\u2014they should get these facilities. But the SOPs which were introduced by our colleague Stuart Nash, they were all rejected by the Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0b785264fa545d5819bc10f0d0ddfc1\u0022\u003EHon Eugenie Sage\u003C/span\u003E: Stuart Smith, I think.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8781684dc9d4d8c86aa3513cb488754\u0022\u003EKANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI\u003C/span\u003E: Stuart Smith, sorry, Stuart Smith. Stuart Nash was talking about this bill earlier, so that was on my mind\u2014apologies. But the thing is that the bill, overall, needs to address some of the issues which are left out. They would have been like this: ensure only suitable, qualified professionals should be appointed to this tribunal. If that would have been specified in this bill, that could have been very easy for the Minister to appoint the people who are relevant, who could give a very good judgment to the issues which have been lingering on for a long time. As we heard during the submissions, some of the submitters said that some people, because there is no cost involved, will try to abuse the system, and that is not fair also.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003EAnother thing which the SOP of Stuart Smith would have done is allow insurers and the Earthquake Commission (EQC) to continue to claim against third parties, were the tribunal to avoid the slow and costly process of going through the High Court. As has been mentioned by the other speakers also, going to the High Court is always expensive. As Dr Webb mentioned, if we want to have a court case for 10 days, at least $34,000 is required. So it is a very expensive proposition. That\u2019s why it would have been a very good option to improve this bill by bringing this SOP into it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003EThe third part of the SOP was to remove any doubt that the tribunal will not restrict the ability of parties to call or cross-examine experts\u2019 evidence. That is, again, a very wise thing, to get the people who have got expertise. We want to resolve the issue, we want to ensure that people get justice, and that can happen only if the experts are there. If a member who doesn\u2019t have the experience is appointed to the tribunal, then there will be no justice, because he or she doesn\u2019t have the knowledge, and that was another SOP which was rejected by the Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226dc89bbf-c2ef-45c9-89e4-d2b5952d8d16\u0022\u003EThe last one which I would like to touch upon is allowing insurers and EQC to bring claims before the tribunal, to allow equal access to justice. Natural justice is very important. We want to ensure that people who are involved in these claims and disputes are able to come to the tribunal and put up their case. So it should not be one-sided; it should be available to both sides. I think we are right in opposing this bill, because there are many points which are missing in this bill, and this will not be a good outcome for the people of Canterbury. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u002241a6de3781aa4b019b05a34375ab9742\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002241a6de3781aa4b019b05a34375ab9742\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: This is a split call. I call Jamie Strange.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022 data-id=\u00229b731f1b6fa346e3b85d4a47f634c305\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229b731f1b6fa346e3b85d4a47f634c305\u0022\u003EJAMIE STRANGE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Madam Deputy Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to take a call on the Canterbury Earthquakes Insurance Tribunal Bill on the third reading, and I\u2019d like to begin with a quote that we heard. I was a member of the select committee who shepherded this bill through. We heard a quote from one of the submitters, and I think this quote really sums up what this bill is about. The submission was from a gentleman named Nigel Maxey, and he said, \u201CThis is an issue of fairness. A number of families are in limbo. This must be resolved.\u201D He was very firm on that; he said this must be resolved\u2014it\u2019s been going on for too long. \u201CIt\u2019s been eight years since the earthquake,\u201D he said, \u201CThe tribunal won\u2019t work unless we have the resources available.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EThis is about putting resources in place in order to solve an issue that\u2019s been going on for eight years. I think that, as a Parliament, we need to stop and just think about that point: these families have been suffering for eight years. And the Opposition are saying, \u201CNo, what we have is fine.\u201D But what we currently have is not fine. If, after eight years, we\u2019ve still got thousands of claims unresolved, the status quo is not working. We need some leadership, and that\u2019s what this Government is doing. This Government\u2019s taking leadership.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EI do have a little bit of a query in my mind. We heard from the Hon Nicky Wagner. She urged us to support the Residential Advisory Service. She said, \u201CWe must fully support the Residential Advisory Service.\u201D Well, the Residential Advisory Service ceased to exist six months ago. It\u2019s been replaced by the Greater Christchurch Claims Resolution Service. So I\u2019m not quite sure how we can support something that doesn\u2019t exist. Anyway, look, I\u2019ll just leave that one out there. Maybe we can get some clarification at some point, Madam Deputy Speaker?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003EWe all remember where we were in 2011 when the earthquake hit. It\u2019s a period of time that\u2019s etched in the minds of us, but for these families, they haven\u2019t been able to move on. They are continuing to go through this again and again, and I\u2019m proud that we are bringing a bill to the House\u2014and it\u2019s at its third reading now\u2014which will bring a change to that. I support this bill to the House. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022 data-id=\u0022990fe1dd7f594a6da7442dc033569c90\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022990fe1dd7f594a6da7442dc033569c90\u0022\u003EBRETT HUDSON (National):\u003C/span\u003E I rise in opposition to the Canterbury Earthquakes Insurance Tribunal Bill. It\u2019s a real shame because the bill as introduced\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022f3ec1c4821d249adb82c02c0f5b3a524\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f3ec1c4821d249adb82c02c0f5b3a524\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It is a real shame. I\u2019m very sorry to interrupt the member, but the debate is interrupted and set down for resumption next sitting day. The House stands adjourned until 2 p.m. on Tuesday, 28 May 2019.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 6 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019052349d1109f3dfe4c418f3f462f32334394000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"