"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00222516d6ddf2fa419da41f60d507121547\u0022\u003EWEDNESDAY, 12 JUNE 2019\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fbcd70f17b124451a6d336a8a4bc237e\u0022\u003EWEDNESDAY, 12 JUNE 2019\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022406fbfee5b2d4a7da9ba9dae8b844b98\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b157b644b73647d1a71161ffb3eb9db6\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d71db558c3e64dbc86609b52057cd532\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u2014M\u0101ori Education\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022 data-id=\u0022b99548cc5c894fdb93fdcef5875c1eb6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b99548cc5c894fdb93fdcef5875c1eb6\u0022\u003EKIRITAPU ALLAN (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Education (M\u0101ori Education): What announcements has he made, as part of the Wellbeing Budget, that support k\u014Dhanga reo, their teachers, volunteers, tamariki, and wh\u0101nau?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u0022b5ae42b73d864b5cbca09102a99c865e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b5ae42b73d864b5cbca09102a99c865e\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS (Associate Minister of Education (M\u0101ori Education)):\u003C/span\u003E Good news. Last week, we announced that k\u014Dhanga reo will receive a $32 million funding boost to lift wages, pay volunteers, and improve and upgrade facilities. This announcement was about more than just funding; it was a long-overdue thankyou to the kaiako, the kaimahi, the nannies, the aunties, the mothers, the fathers, and the cousins, whose commitment to k\u014Dhanga reo never faltered. This announcement shows our commitment to them and is just the start of the work we\u2019ll do together to achieve our shared aspirations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223023d3053bae4385b237e26366fb7d4c\u0022\u003EKiritapu Allan\u003C/span\u003E: How will the funding be distributed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002220eed06878be4230a8ecbcd548964f09\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: Through Budget 2019, we\u2019ll be looking after the wellbeing of our k\u014Dhanga reo by providing $11 million for improvements to ICT capacity and capability and building upgrades, and over $21 million to increase existing pay rates for kaiako and kaimahi to the Government\u2019s stated 2021 minimum wage rate and to maintain a level of existing relative pay rates of kaiako and kaimahi. We\u2019ll pay kaiako and kaimahi currently working as volunteers in roles that would normally be remunerated. That is a total of just over $32 million for our k\u014Dhanga, our kaiako, our kaimahi, and, most importantly, our tamariki.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9236a3ed5ef40799c93413124e4dc04\u0022\u003EKiritapu Allan\u003C/span\u003E: What has been the reaction to the Government\u2019s investment in k\u014Dhanga reo?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e1b3ef8c0fcb4c31b761901625acc835\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: The response has been humbling, not just because of the recognition that this funding gives to kaimahi and kaiako but because this Government recognises k\u014Dhanga reo are not early childhood centres, nor are they kindergartens. They should not have to fit a mould designed for non-M\u0101ori organisations. They are k\u014Dhanga reo\u2014unapologetically M\u0101ori. They do not need to be compared to something else to gain recognition, because there is nothing else that can compare. As Waihoroi Shortland said at the announcement, \u201CTears come easy when the kaupapa is treated so well\u201D. He also said, in M\u0101ori, \u201CKua rangatira t\u0113nei r\u0101 i a koutou. N\u014D m\u0101tau te h\u014Dnore kia mau i \u0113nei kupu i t\u0113nei ata. Ka taea e t\u0101tau \u0113nei momo kaupapa te tuitui i te motu, ki hea noa atu te h\u012Bkoi i Te Ao M\u0101ori.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E[\u201CThis day has been enhanced by you, collectively. The honour is indeed ours to have secured these words this morning. It is possible for us to weave these kinds of initiatives into the country, or wherever we may walk in M\u0101oridom.\u201D]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222a3eae4be0264e5e9b98925ecb41a3ff\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022 data-id=\u00229418b1943d7548bb81ff5992f08ba2e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229418b1943d7548bb81ff5992f08ba2e7\u0022\u003EHon SIMON BRIDGES (Leader of the Opposition)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all her Government\u2019s statements and actions in relation to the alleged unauthorised access of Budget 2019 material?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u0022b7fcda26303043f69bce939ac941416c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b7fcda26303043f69bce939ac941416c\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Deputy Prime Minister) \u003C/span\u003Eon behalf of the Prime Minister: Yes, particularly the comments made by the Deputy Prime Minister in relation to the ethics and legality of the Opposition\u2019s unauthorised access of the Treasury site. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022324926b9db704de1be5521bfe9f9c8cf\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Does she stand by her Deputy Prime Minister\u2019s statement that every Budget figure released by National prior to the Budget was \u201CUtterly fake, false, and will be proven so on Thursday\u201D? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ebc5fd3c34a84b60baeb186f07e8ec60\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister did not say that. What he did was produce a press statement two Tuesdays ago from that man\u2019s office on which there were eight calculations, seven of which were then, and now, demonstrably wrong. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002221fb1a51305b41b9ac05e938a49540e1\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Does she stand by her Deputy Prime Minister\u2019s statement in regard to the same accessing of Budget material that \u201CThe facts [are] very, very bad for the National Party\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225602e1d4ba654e0ebead980cb3fc7a3a\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, I rush to stand by the Deputy Prime Minister\u2019s comments because he has now got the very document put out by Simon Bridges\u2019 office and of these eight calculations, seven are wrong. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022919a8e8d-afaf-4342-ad6f-71cbb6024544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022437735c8ab7046fdb1be56a9a5a5ff6c\u0022\u003EClayton Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: What reported comments has she seen regarding the alleged unauthorised access of Budget 2019 material? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d3dc22d421674edb97195e3a281460f8\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, a number of commentators have determined that what Mr Bridges did had these features. There are some pretty good arguments that one or more of the provisions of the Crimes Act were breached. The implication that there was\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d444bbfca32549578c7a900046c9d2c3\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: The Prime Minister\u2019s saying this? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc6e1b5e4fa044868cab6089d3b6e414\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Forget about it, woodwork teacher; you wouldn\u2019t understand the law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002290d3101ad740495ebb7f5ea22be91d03\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022040658f5d902463b918060a803f7f6e6\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, if you\u2019re going to keep on shouting\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f7fb21456e11439a867367dca6a4cc3c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, the member will sit down. Can I say to the Hon Gerry Brownlee that this is a serious matter. His leader thinks it\u2019s a serious matter. I\u2019ve asked people in the House to try and treat it seriously, and his interjections, I think, based on about as much legal training as I\u2019ve had, are not helpful. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a9644dbd2e7480ab8b6693e4ab9b444\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Recognising your chastisement, I withdraw and apologise for any offence I\u2019ve caused the House. I just hope that the Prime Minister treats the question as seriously as the Leader of the Opposition. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c3b43c460a141af8cef1f5693c4164a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019m trying to get him to do that. The member\u2019s not helping. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267a6b06e213a4779a17029cc064aca8b\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, these comments are very apposite: \u201CThere are some pretty good arguments that one or more provisions of the Crimes Act were breached \u2026 the implication that there was clearly nothing criminal in the activity is difficult to square with the statutory language\u201D\u2014that from a leading law professor. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d61c884bc5b9499fbab0c6728a7ec903\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Did member nations of Five Eyes contact the Government on Tuesday, 28 May in relation to the Government\u2019s claim they had been systematically and deliberately hacked? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d470cf8f6aee4095868b98e6a488ec4d\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, I personally can\u2019t answer that question, because I\u2019m not aware of it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1bc889723344407ae325af04ac5dc52\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Is that because some members of her Government, quite possibly including the Deputy Prime Minister, were out of the loop? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022752a2b282cb740adb99f8f7be97cb8bb\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, no one in this Cabinet is out of the loop. Consultation is our middle name. But the reality is, in April 2017, a Cabinet Minister created the cyber-security one-stop shop otherwise known as CERT, the Computer Emergency Response Team, which cost $22 million to establish. Those protocols under CERT were designed for reporting the type of data breach that occurred and accompanied the unauthorised Budget information accessed by the National Party spokesman\u2019s staffer in this case. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222aa9a9b0221b471096c2bcc5d4450f69\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: This is crazy town. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022102cc8b4fc634703b8018000f1bfe7df\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Bridges, you wrote the rules; abide by them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a3085d1d1c7408aa58ccd6389de0387\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Did the GCSB raise with the Government that Five Eyes members had raised concerns regarding the systematic and deliberate hack?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d2c757f09c7d46c394f5a073e318ccc0\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Again, on behalf of the Prime Minister, that is not a question that we can answer, because there seems to be information that is coming in to the Government, and maybe\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244ce69ccdc234261a09804dece6235b5\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I thought you said you were in the loop.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221218af0321cb4b1ea091eebeac515f1b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will resume his seat. Nick Smith\u2014this is a very serious matter. It goes to both security and international relations, and the House wants to hear it without that sort of inane interjection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a73db40b302f4f1b9abebf1a11c97575\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, there seem to be allegations, which do not have any authorisation, coming from the Opposition, with respect to a possible leak, but that\u2019s immaterial. What the protocol that was established by Mr Bridges was, and I quote, \u201CWhen private, confidential information is released\u201D\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ddc83b0547704ead8abdba7e20a45ecf\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I am going to interrupt the Minister acting for the Prime Minister now, because the question that has been asked has been answered, and this is extraneous material which is not related to the supplementary question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d24bb4845e5543f68b95bc22c799a18d\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Isn\u2019t it the case that as soon as statements from Treasury and Grant Robertson went out on Tuesday night alleging systematic and deliberate hacks, Five Eyes members contacted the GCSB who then immediately got in touch with Andrew Little and his office?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296a18481d2814d1eae8d2d82a2c6dafd\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, I am not aware of that. But I do not think that Five Eyes were struggling over themselves on a matter to do with Treasury. With the greatest respect, it\u2019s not foreign policy, it\u2019s not police, it\u2019s not defence, it\u2019s not customs\u2014it\u2019s Treasury, and I find it very hard to believe that. But what\u2019s important, of course, is the protocol established by Mr Bridges required him to do the following: advise the organisation\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa7d797514b64c3ba66b97006cd43de6\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f25fbaa04a945c9b804f0b37b186351\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Is she aware that the Government, through GCSB, provided assurances to Five Eyes members that they had not been systematically and deliberately hacked?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a70cc344c1bf4d4580689f5177dba7c2\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, the GCSB could not give such an assurance on behalf of the Government. It would be for the Prime Minister or, in this case, Mr Little, the acting Minister for the GCSB, to give such an assurance. That\u2019s how responsibility works under this Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec43ad900d1c428ba7140a8b5abfc82c\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister aware that language such as \u201Csystematic and deliberate hacking\u201D is often reserved by Governments for hostile foreign attacks?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f0a0f03d7e543a4898c23c5302bdc5b\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, no, we are not aware of that. But the real issue is this: if the National Party hadn\u2019t done what it did, this would not be an event.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa3b343d7f4945bcbe428dc66bf46665\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: In addition to GCSB, did the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade also become involved in providing assurances to Five Eyes members that the Government had not been systematically and deliberately hacked?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c7f17ff073444dadb336bf2eaca262d0\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, this is getting more close to the area of responsibility of the person answering the question right now, and the answer is no. But the real issue will never be\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225582990440624b4eb3a65f688cd1aae3\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Out of the loop\u2014you\u2019re out of the loop.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f2d7d54cb2b4e94869295b36faec5d8\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: The issue won\u2019t change. This so-called scandal would not exist if the National Party hadn\u2019t done what it did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022978c6992bf1c4a06bad42d4d71c6eb2c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! No, before the member gets up, the deputy leader of the National Party will stand, withdraw, and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8056861501e422aa440a54b752c466f\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: I stand and withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287dcbf5d9f0d4f049c6c8402cdcce53c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, actually, you\u2019ll just do what you\u2019re meant to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f402a8ca515e4ca581705333d7b47b19\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257bc19e3d7384428ba691fb3fd2df83c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f00efb64c5b4adc963909e0b0ffd571\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Isn\u2019t it most certainly the case that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade did become involved in this, and is it also the case that their Minister didn\u2019t even know?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221800979fb2f14b348fee0e6d65055077\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, there is no way that such an involvement of foreign affairs would\u2019ve happened without the Minister of Foreign Affairs knowing. Being asleep behind the wheel is not what the present Minister of Foreign Affairs does.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002262ea8ac55769419e8addf2b9b90c47eb\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: When did, to the Prime Minister\u2019s knowledge, the Deputy Prime Minister get informed it wasn\u2019t a systematic and deliberate hack?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022953fe9c2000b48799ce0cbbaf0c52cdf\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: I didn\u2019t hear that question clearly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a68b5926da84cdaa0c20747f1210867\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Ask it again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd46fc9b298c4e4ba07deacf256def92\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. To the Prime Minister\u2019s understanding, when did the Deputy Prime Minister get informed it wasn\u2019t a systematic and deliberate hack?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f510355611e4ed3b371778b2ecb92d0\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, when referring to the Deputy Prime Minister, that is a very moot point. There are two sections of the Crimes Act which are very, very concerning for that member over there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022796d0e29d4054a44a6afcb0d6614874d\u0022\u003EHon Tracey Martin\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b8ea49001d5458daaec133658e1672f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, sorry, I\u2019m going to go back.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022772de718ce56448f875438a54366ebcd\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022958fb00af26c4e61b5ed1a6cc1d9289a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m going to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab18c26b8ff744b899c37acb4d7dbe65\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Are you going to rule on that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022850ea008764647bb86bac5124a1b0611\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, I am going to rule on that. I won\u2019t rule on the extraneous material, but there was a specific question which I know that the Minister answering on behalf of the Prime Minister should be able to answer. Ask it again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c94f437382b44b2bc96af652fddff85\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: When did the Deputy Prime Minister get informed that it wasn\u2019t a systematic and deliberate hack?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ae711579cebb40838e035f6336548b41\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, that remains a moot point, which is the reason why there\u2019s a State Services Commission inquiry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eadb1c6c621f4b3a955aacb2b9638e70\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8c2299f20e54ed6bef0455165f69086\u0022\u003EHon Tracey Martin\u003C/span\u003E: To the Prime Minister\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a3b6a99fdca4efab31f52a401b5077a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, there\u2019s a point of order from the Hon Gerry Brownlee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261f6c10efee6459890859da9a4918149\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: If a Minister\u2019s going to give an answer in this House, particularly the Prime Minister giving an answer in this House, then the provision that it should be done so in the public interest, as set down in the Standing Orders, is going to be of most importance. Everyone knows that the question that the Deputy Prime Minister, acting for the Prime Minister, has just put to the House cannot ever be answered by the State Services Commission inquiry because of the very limited terms of reference that are well published. Now, if someone would like me to table those terms of reference\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022538b54c9e0784e70aecae194f25c9ff4\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I think I can deal with that relatively easily. If it is a relevant matter to that inquiry, and it might well be, the timing of members\u2019 staff, timing of departments, including, in this case, foreign affairs, giving information to the Deputy Prime Minister is most\u2014the giving and not the receipt is certainly covered by the inquiry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022096c040f9ffb4f2391b8a0794bc16079\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: There is no question of there being any investigation into matters that might be considered under the Crimes Act, as the Prime Minister has just told the House. So either the Prime Minister doesn\u2019t know what the terms of reference are\u2014and I\u2019d be happy to table them for her\u2014or the Deputy Prime Minister has not been told what the terms of reference are. Either way, this House should not be given a brush-off with what is a totally incorrect answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d58be1b05c1442e80d219ead610ccff\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I think it\u2019s important that the House notes that there are two issues at stake here. One is the investigation about what Ministers were told and when. The second is the broader inquiry into how the information came to be released in the way that it was. Those are two separate investigations, and as for what\u2019s in the latter, it could well be in the latter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ce7779e1f7b4130a1fbe4dd43514870\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: The effective answer from the Prime Minister again opens the prospect that there has been some kind of crime committed that would be punishable under the Crimes Act. Neither of the investigations are looking into that matter, and there\u2019s no way that there can be any decision or conclusion around that, given the now public agreement by the agencies about what happened and our own knowledge in the Opposition of how it occurred. If that suggestion were to stand from the Prime Minister, then the Prime Minister is condemning every New Zealander who goes on to Google and uses a search bar today to the potential allegation that they are behaving in a criminal manner.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a049aa248e9d4dc4b468df233f389b16\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK. I just want to work through this one relatively carefully, because I think we have a matter of facts and law here. I think there\u2019s a degree of acceptance around the facts of what occurred, and I have certainly read a variety of opinions as to what the law is that fits those facts, and therefore I think it is not out of order for the Prime Minister to say it is debatable whether or not a criminal act has taken place. That is\u2014[Interruption] Order! If the Prime Minister is of the view that it is debatable whether or not a criminal act took place, then it is not out of order for the Prime Minister to say that she thinks it is debatable that a criminal act took place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f3c383395c744b4ab8e5c6d8a5b4068\u0022\u003EHon Tracey Martin\u003C/span\u003E: Is she aware of any protocols or outlines about what should take place in circumstances similar to those that took place in this case?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226eff56b3945547c4a780da5fc2fc508d\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, yes. In an April 2017 protocol assembled by the Leader of the Opposition, then the Minister for Communications, this is what was written: \u201Cwhen private and confidential information is released into an unsecured environment\u201D\u2014which is what happened with this data breach. The protocols advise that in the event of a data breach, an individual should contact the \u201Crelevant business or organisation\u201D, namely, Treasury\u2014and they didn\u2019t, and that\u2019s why they\u2019re caught by sections 252 and 249 of the Crimes Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022301a8e860ab64310bbf64b91d8d2826b\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister think it\u2019s arguable that a crime was committed, and, if so, what is she going to do about it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228772923bc356462b8ca53ae9c9e63b67\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, that\u2019s a marvellous question, because a law professor in a recent opinion here suggests that there are two breaches, sections 252 and 249 of the Crimes Act, and one is a seven-year sentence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c7dc1335dee4ee7a9455e280bf378ee\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Is using google search a crime now, Prime Minister?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a33c4bca38948faa723ec8f9beb24b4\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s not a crime, but what is a crime is to, 2,000 times, try to gain unauthorised access, which was\u2014in a $22 million documentary preparation in April 2017, prepared by that Leader of the Opposition\u2014meant to be outlawed, but now he\u2019s trying to seek refuge in some other scandal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267a1de25d21542159d00dc907a9389ef\u0022\u003EHon Tracey Martin\u003C/span\u003E: Can she confirm that, historically, Budget documents have always been confidential until released by the Minister of Finance, and is she able to report any incidents in the past where similar information has been highlighted by a member of the Opposition to a Minister particularly in charge?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cefd26fe217743128576d12f0646c8e7\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The Prime Minister has no responsibility for what happened historically.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285f40796e98742408033cc5fbd776164\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I think if the Prime Minister has been briefed on a similar case and is comparing this to that, then that is\u2014I\u2019m going to listen really carefully as the question\u2019s asked, but it can be brought into order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227974e506266045c4b916727c013063da\u0022\u003EHon Tracey Martin\u003C/span\u003E: Can she confirm that, historically, it has been recognised that all Budget documents are confidential until they are released by the Minister of Finance, and is she aware of any circumstance where, previously, members of this Parliament had been made aware of confidential information and they then took it directly to the Minister responsible?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208a8230dec6743a9a19162f8cdc7687e\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, I can answer the first part of that question by saying that there have been leaks in the past by accident, apparently, in 1985 under Roger Douglas. There was also a Chancellor of the Exchequer in the UK walking into Parliament, and 15 minutes before he gave his Budget speech, he was asked, \u201CAny tax on cigarettes?\u201D and he said, \u201CNo.\u201D and he got fired for that. So it\u2019s a very serious issue, but of the type that that member asks right now, there has, to the best of our knowledge, never been such an appalling breach.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002270b114247e90442f87bb32824eee8bbb\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Who leaked it? Treasury did. Like a newspaper. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022665bae7d29a246e49f7c300b8cfa5f74\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: No, you did, sunshine.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1033e2836dc4e41802e389087c8d7ce\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! The member will stand, withdraw, and apologise. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277b91c8c8a194249bab85c988e95e797\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: Which one?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220793098256394eafb83cdd92e0f2776a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, that one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d44aec3314344022a9026e9f736298c6\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4baec434e4d4dfa8bd0f03241ba90f8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And withdraw.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224929ee44b33a4c22811ea1412fe246d8\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: And withdraw.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a70ff56f2d3a49579e531962ad0cca99\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u2014Housing and Urban Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u00225d5ce235a2334e08a470e8d61aea1886\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225d5ce235a2334e08a470e8d61aea1886\u0022\u003EMARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: Is he confident current State housing targets are sufficient, given the wait-list for State housing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u00221196a6e951aa4f9cad2d492a8c62e6ad\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221196a6e951aa4f9cad2d492a8c62e6ad\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Housing and Urban Development):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. In 2013, Otago University estimated there were 41,000 New Zealanders homeless and living in severe housing stress. We\u2019re dealing with the effects of a housing crisis and massive unmet need. Budget 2018 funded 6,400 additional public homes over the next four years\u2014an average of 1,600 a year\u2014and we\u2019re well on track to exceed this target in the first year. Since 1 November 2017, over 2,000 more families are in public housing, bringing us to the highest number of public housing tenancies since June 2009. I\u2019m confident that our entire housing programme\u2014including our public housing build\u2014is ambitious, that we\u2019re making progress, and that it will continue to put more families off the State house waiting list into public housing. It will take time to fully ramp up, but we are making very good progress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224761b8a8a521440b9924acce765cb376\u0022\u003EMarama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree that the proposed urban development and housing agency, K\u0101inga Ora\u2014Homes and Communities, should have a mandate to rebuild our public housing stock to meet projected future demand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7bd53d637af43468c198fbe14b9a34d\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, K\u0101inga Ora\u2014Homes and Communities, the new urban development authority, will be the home of State housing. It will manage the State house tenancies, of which there are currently about 68,000, and Housing New Zealand\u2019s development group will merge with HLC\u2014the people who did Hobsonville Point\u2014and KiwiBuild\u2019s procurement operation to manage the entire Government build programme, including new State houses. As the member knows, this Government is ambitious about building as many public homes as we can in the context of a broader housing programme focused on increasing affordability and improving the quality of homes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a6ce6bb821d745b4916293abd347236c\u0022\u003EMarama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: What work is under way to ensure new State houses are accessible to people with disabilities?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d292e2e27c8e46d29bc5acd2474e3a2d\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve asked Housing New Zealand\u2019s board to review their whole approach to how well they serve their tenants who have disabilities. I think they\u2019re making great progress. The work is likely to include a commitment to a share of new State homes with universal design standards. Similarly, with the massive retrofit programme that Housing New Zealand has under way, there is an opportunity to make modifications for disability access at the same time as improving insulation, putting in modern kitchens, and heating.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be6ae89c8b874a22906cce3f82e82f2f\u0022\u003EMarama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Does he intend to promote high standards of energy efficiency in the design and build of new public houses?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c5ef7c7722a24d6f9e2ab2dc6ab13365\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, Housing New Zealand are making great strides in improving the energy efficiency of their homes. They\u2019re currently spending $258 million bringing their homes up to the healthy homes standards. Housing New Zealand is also working towards Homestar 6 certification for its new builds. This would put it significantly ahead of much of the private residential construction market.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e7774a451add431a95a8f179c3c9662d\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022 data-id=\u00225acfd35acf2d406d9b7673f9f44c50a5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225acfd35acf2d406d9b7673f9f44c50a5\u0022\u003EHon AMY ADAMS (National\u2014Selwyn)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Does he accept that clause 3.27 of the Cabinet Manual states he is individually accountable for Treasury\u2019s actions in relation to the early release of Budget 2019 information, and at what specific time did Treasury first receive advice from the GCSB relating to the use of the term \u201Chack\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u00222422898dd0f94dedacca2e615a97228e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222422898dd0f94dedacca2e615a97228e\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E I disagree with the member\u2019s characterisation of clause 3.27 of the Cabinet Manual. In answer to the second part of the question, that is a matter that is part of the State Services Commissioner\u2019s investigation that is currently under way, and I do not believe that it is in the public interest to comment further on those matters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226cf91ad724234d358e7424db572e6bfa\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Why did Treasury allege its website was systematically and deliberately hacked, in an 8 p.m. press statement on Tuesday, when there is already information in the public domain that Treasury had been advised by the GCSB approximately two hours before that, at 6 p.m., that the website had not been compromised and there was no hack?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f850ac87a0bf49828ed76c2620a18470\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I am not aware of the facts the member states there, but, regardless, they are the subject of the State Services Commission (SSC) inquiry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff9716f19fd64df79da1336be21bfe5d\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: What exactly did the Secretary to the Treasury tell the Minister the GCSB advice had been on this matter when the Minister met with the secretary prior to releasing his 8.18 p.m. statement?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022146e3a22a255487f86d54d8e7958cc81\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Again, I\u2019m not going to go into the detail of those matters today, because they are the subject of the inquiry. What I can do is quote from Treasury\u2019s media statement on Tuesday night, where they said, \u201CThe Treasury has referred the matter to the police on the advice of the National Cyber Security Centre\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228ff1c13074b44a8696a51a86b4305263\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Why does he think it is good enough to refuse to answer questions in this House as to the advice Treasury gave him, when he has told the public and this House repeatedly that he relied entirely on that advice before making his statement and now he won\u2019t tell us what it was?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eebba80744da40fea2fafe9123b3afc6\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Because the State Services Commission is undertaking an investigation, which the Opposition called for. Now that that investigation is under way, it is not appropriate for me, as a Minister, to speculate further on those matters. I am sure that once the investigation is over, I\u2019ll have the opportunity to say a lot more.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002224a58498cd0146ec943d0ec64e10c99c\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: What steps did he or his office take to ensure the Treasury secretary was aware of the GCSB advice that there had been no hacking, before the secretary\u2019s Wednesday morning television appearances?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f485cd52971f4816b804095f751963d1\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Again, we are in the middle of matters that are part of the investigation. It is not in the public interest for me to comment on those\u2014an investigation that the Opposition asked to be undertaken, and I would hope that they would respect an investigation like that. A faint hope, it appears.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236ee55418d7247eb95fdbc1ecf4913de\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. My point of order is that we traversed these matters in some detail yesterday, around the extent of the State Services Commission investigation\u2014that it is explicitly not looking into the actions of Ministers. This question was very specifically about what the Minister or his office had done, not what the officials had done. It is that same area we traversed yesterday, and I would ask the Minister to answer the question, because it explicitly is not part of the SSC investigation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224810a3c82a8846ff8bb429a1d8d074ae\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I disagree, because my view is that the breadth of the inquiry that is ongoing does, in fact, cover the Minister\u2019s office.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc47959974874bf1aaecd3a296ffbef3\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Could the Minister, then, not be directed to address the question in respect of his actions if that is your ruling in respect of staff?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022684501e6d1a645a7bcc59522daaef6a4\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The short answer is no, because what we\u2019d get to is what I indicated before. What the Minister did mightn\u2019t be covered, but the receiver of the information, if it\u2019s anyone other than a Minister, and the giver of the information to the Minister are both covered if they\u2019re not Ministers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a256191aee194c17a2abcd0cc21d4dd5\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Can I ask the Minister as to whether it\u2019s possible that his department\u2019s mistake was not to look for the obvious culprit in the first place?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c478c32725014ac6a79678e85b8c8bf4\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Again, I\u2019ll leave those matters to other people to investigate, but the one thing I can say with absolute certainty is that for the period of time which seems to be concerning the Opposition so much\u2014Wednesday last week\u2014there was a person who could have cleared the whole thing up, and that person was Simon Bridges, and he didn\u2019t do it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ea40dc76ef84de6864d1f161e5bc821\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Why did he permit the chief executive of the agency that he is responsible for to state publicly on Wednesday morning that the Treasury system had been hacked, that it had been attacked, and, further, that the material accessed was never on the Treasury website, when all of those statements are now known to be patently incorrect?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc76111483174beb97cb5ecac127123c\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I reject the premise of that member\u2019s question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e0cd78185c604937921629eebed3d759\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Of course you do; how convenient! Dodged.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4013146e2754ac3b53e3ca71577c6f6\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c09906ff745f46b2b6427e0746904d78\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! Both of you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b37daba511c4427a1d252b08c8055d3\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a joke.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022580b216891fc4673872b6805904b2e5f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Amy Adams will stand up, withdraw, and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002226b573f5ae9d4e6083ba7dc7d8b4acb8\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223b5f88549334450283cc27f4cc8ba3c9\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u00221c46e12b46094bc99feffc3f507abfc3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221c46e12b46094bc99feffc3f507abfc3\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: Does he stand by all of his statements and actions around Vote Health in Budget 2019?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022 data-id=\u0022c5188f48c0f5492da111b00388c9acd8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c5188f48c0f5492da111b00388c9acd8\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, and in particular I stand by my statement that, with the Wellbeing Budget, this Government is taking mental health seriously and, at the same time, investing $1.7 billion in hospitals and other health facilities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d4acc645d844a54b734b6c35cd9b781\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by his assertion to the Health Committee this morning that a 1.1 percent increase in Pharmac funding is enough to deliver appropriate access to medicines for New Zealanders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228daba688c2b143fabad3cadce1935c2d\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: The member uses his own words rather than mine, but I do stand by the statement that last year over 100,000 New Zealanders gained further access to medicines through the broadening of availability and so on. So that is a lot of people helped by the Pharmac model last year. On top of that, of course, we\u2019ve invested $40 million extra in the current Budget to further increase access to medicines for New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d6d0914c5f94fddae1418e876b18687\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Would he agree that an increase in Pharmac funding above the just 1.1 percent appropriated would mean considerably more New Zealanders would be able to access lifesaving drugs, and, if so, why was there an increase of just 1.1 percent in this year\u2019s Wellbeing Budget?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002265e3897b411a44ad826661fda6d7bc5e\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: Of course, everybody in this House will acknowledge that health got a considerable chunk of the Wellbeing Budget, because mental health in particular was prioritised and also the longstanding underfunding of district health boards (DHBs) was prioritised so that people can access services in our DHBs\u2014$2.8 billion over four years. These are the trade-offs that we make when we put a Budget together, as any Government does, and in this Budget we decided to invest further in Pharmac, and we did invest $40 million further over four years, meaning more access to more medicines. Of course, it is logical that the more money you put in, the more benefit that can be derived, but I would say that Pharmac is very clear that for the list of medicines it has it is prioritising those top medicines which will bring the most value to New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fdfff41f86f94a31877fa4bb14cc4274\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Which one of his statements to the committee this morning is correct: that the elective surgery number as at the end of March is not a good proxy of full-year throughput because of a rush of sorts that occurs in the last quarter, or the DHBs won\u2019t achieve their budgeted elective surgery figures due to industrial action?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002242a0fbcc03cd42c48eccbe91422d4d57\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: I reject the member\u2019s characterisation of my comments, again, in select committee this morning.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022623234246a544b18a4b19a311900e305\u0022\u003EHon Ruth Dyson\u003C/span\u003E: He just makes it up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec084f8c142f4c08a14c017d6809deda\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: There is an upturn in elective surgery outputs typically in any given year, in the DHBs\u2019 performance, and they are working currently to deliver to the contracted volumes. Of course we acknowledge that interruptions with industrial action\u2014because those staff working in hospitals have been underfunded for so long\u2014did disrupt planned care during the course of the year. Fortunately, those things have been settled. We have a nurses\u2019 settlement, for example, that is worth more than the last three settlements combined that were done under the previous Government\u2014more than the last three settlements combined. That historic underfunding is being addressed. Those health professions are now more attractive to join and be a part of. We are determined to invest to make sure that the systemic underfunding that happened for so long does not destroy our health system, because we believe in public health services available and accessible to more New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022002e655bf39f4e5d92ad476336022a29\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before the member has a supplementary, we\u2019re going way back to early in that supplementary answer. The Hon Ruth Dyson made an unparliamentary interjection; she will stand, withdraw, and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220aac3bc8ef9d4f3e8f50fb7e1d5c3879\u0022\u003EHon Ruth Dyson\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d4ab783cec344734889624d0cd37b66c\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Given the Minister\u2019s reference to attractive professions, why, given the Ministry of Health had to apologise for their failure to prepare a 2018 Budget bid for community midwives, given their obligation to do so, was a 2019 Budget bid to reflect the co-design recommendations not made?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226a47932a56cf4539b8205a2ab5d9b5c2\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: This Government has continued to lift the fees available to midwives, recognising that a long period of under-investment does put in jeopardy the sustainability of the midwifery workforce. In the last Budget there was an 8.9 percent uplift in fees for midwives; this Budget, an uplift of 4.93 percent, and that is without the additional wraparound material in the midwives\u2019 package, because we recognise that we do need to fund this service sustainably to ensure the safety of mother and midwife and child. We are proud to be investing more in our midwives and we recognise that that has been a long time coming.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fe1554e5ed4b4f15af02367b0f142100\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The question which was not addressed was \u201Ca budget bid to reflect the agreed co-design process\u201D, and the Minister did not address that part of the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f016133e2bcc4f4ea43202d7457e901e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s a fair comment. He will address it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f20011edc24c4522bfc87dcfb72bbc18\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: There was a co-design process which happened under the previous Government. The Director-General of Health has written to the College of Midwives, apologising for the way in which that played out. My view: it was a very messy process because of how the last Government ran it. That is their failure. He\u2019s trying to weaponise the incompetence of his own caucus.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd5730e860da4dca93527151fa221e7e\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Isn\u2019t it true that he and his Labour colleagues in Government haven\u2019t delivered on their promises in Budget 2019, particularly in the area of medicines, cancer care, elective surgery, and community midwifery?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002284db9351ea104d1d8319f608c393e00f\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002230f1fe5ea2db468a8443111632a906ef\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022 data-id=\u0022aaa1e9863d6a486e8671f2cc5f7593e5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022aaa1e9863d6a486e8671f2cc5f7593e5\u0022\u003EWILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What reactions has he seen to Budget 2019?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022274358a061f747888b1d78c5a0eb85ce\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022274358a061f747888b1d78c5a0eb85ce\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E More good news. One school principal wrote to me to say, \u201CAs a citizen of Aotearoa, I want a Budget that is driven by values that result in a quality life for every person who lives here.\u201D She said that, for her school, the most that the school has ever received in donations in a year had been $2,000, but with the policy change in this Budget, her school will now be better off by $40,000. She went on to say, \u201CSo much in the Budget will start to move us as a country to a more equitable, compassionate, respectful, tolerant, and rich\u2014in the widest sense of the word\u2014society.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022080790c6ca8c4ba481784a5f480aa9af\u0022\u003EWillow-Jean Prime\u003C/span\u003E: What responses to the Budget has he seen in international media?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e62c27c73944da2abaf508ccfd3a86b\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: American author and Bloomberg columnist Cass Sunstein said that New Zealand\u2019s Wellbeing Budget is worth copying. He noted, \u201CNew Zealand has taken an important step in the right direction. Other nations should follow its lead.\u201D I agree with Mr Sunstein. This is indeed an ambitious Budget. It represents a step towards the Budget representing a comprehensive assessment of New Zealand\u2019s overall wellbeing and our plans to improve that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221145e22577d347cab2c38a9c8bd0de5e\u0022\u003EWillow-Jean Prime\u003C/span\u003E: What other responses has he seen to the Wellbeing Budget?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200484e31eb0241a5a006156b75d10632\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Business New Zealand chief executive Kirk Hope said that the Budget\u2019s focus on innovation, research, and skills would help more businesses develop at higher levels and grow the economy. He said that investment in equipping young people with civics knowledge, financial literacy, and key workplace competencies was also important for business. Likewise, Brett O\u2019Riley, chief executive of The Manufacturers\u2019 Network, says the announcement of $6.8 million over four years to futureproof New Zealand\u2019s manufacturing industry will help members understand and utilise digital technologies in order to be more productive and develop new products and services. I\u2019ve even seen feedback from one commentator who said, \u201CDon\u2019t get me wrong. There are a few things in the Budget I can wholeheartedly support.\u201D\u2014a rare sign of positivity from Simon Bridges.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022292cd53e5d80487594dfb147af75fd76\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u2014Transport\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u002214d8d9f9367d40278353d71f08f09351\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002214d8d9f9367d40278353d71f08f09351\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Transport: How much more money is expected to be raised over the three financial years 2018/19 to 2020/21 as a result of increases in fuel excise duty and accompanying increases in road-user charges, and how much money is the Auckland regional fuel tax expected to raise over the three financial years 2018/19 to 2020/21?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u00221016452f428e4f8faa99ff48a681d84f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221016452f428e4f8faa99ff48a681d84f\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Transport):\u003C/span\u003E The increase in fuel excise and road-user charges is funding road safety improvements to save lives and much-needed infrastructure to get our cities and regions moving. Auckland Council\u2019s regional fuel tax is funding roads that are vital to support urban growth and public transport that is giving people real choice and helping to unlock Auckland\u2019s potential. Over the three-year period, I\u2019m advised, the increase in fuel excise and road-user charges is expected to raise $1.056 billion and the regional fuel tax will raise $450 million.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002283291569d8674f1b88eb6e727d25b7ab\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he realise that in Auckland the fuel tax rises amount to nearly $2,000 per household?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294f1e4dce4c24c8a861108d5f3ba7928\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the best advice that I have from the Ministry of Transport is that all three rises in Auckland together will cost families $2.50 a week all up, and the lowest-income families only $1.24 a week, and we are of course, as a Government, always looking to ease the cost of living. That\u2019s why our Government is making over 384,000 lower- and middle-income New Zealand households an average of $75 a week better off because of the Families Package. We\u2019ve increased the minimum wage to $17.70 an hour, giving 209,000 people a much-needed pay rise. We\u2019ve passed legislation to enable the Commerce Commission to investigate anti-competitive conduct in the retail fuel market. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002250281556470941d3a136bd3b0a82148c\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he understand the frustration of motorists who are being told they should pay more than $1.5 billion more in fuel taxes and the only thing they can look forward to is lower speed limits?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc06492e732044d980f95ce5cb4b30a2\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: No, the message that I get back from Auckland motorists is that they at last have a Government that\u2019s willing to do something about fixing the chronic congestion that, over nine years, brought the country\u2019s biggest city to a halt and that was causing the city to lose $1.3 billion a year in lost productivity. Aucklanders just want us to get on with fixing the problem, and that\u2019s what we\u2019re doing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207755200e7fb45b08bed82ce40c73f35\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: When he agreed with the Hon Julie Anne Genter\u2019s question yesterday, \u201CCan he confirm that the best way to invest in capacity for our motorway networks is to invest in the complementary alternatives\u201D, did he understand that he was, in effect, agreeing that the best way to invest in the capacity for our motorway networks is not to invest in our motorway networks? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b326db347b14d2680899283751db2f8\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I invite the member to consider the case of the Northern Busway, which currently now brings as many people in to the central city every morning on the bus as travel by car. A relatively cheap bit of transport infrastructure put in place under the Clark Labour Government has meant that the Auckland Harbour Bridge moves relatively freely every morning, and the country has been spared the expense of multiple billions of dollars for an additional harbour crossing\u2014that would have had to have happened several years ago now\u2014without State Highway 1 jamming up completely. The best way to get better productivity out of the existing motorway network is to have rapid transit and public transport running alongside it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225f2cda892e0746888c71c9fa2071e667\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: What reports has he seen on claims of how much revenue these increases will raise? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002263448f16db114d1cb8d1a405662d4828\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I note that the number Mr Paul Goldsmith used yesterday in the House on this issue and the number that the Leader of the Opposition has been using this morning\u2014$1.5 billion, not including the regional fuel tax\u2014is off by $450 million, and I think it\u2019s disappointing that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c295c2ceaa543b5b293277a9f4aaeb0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m also disappointed at the approach taken by the supplementary question. In fact, members know that it is out of order to do a supplementary question of that type for the sole purpose of bringing up something that the Minister is not responsible for\u2014there\u2019s a warning. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002212de16e10dbd4629a29750d0e64b9a8c\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: How can he say, as he did yesterday, that his Government brings a balanced approach to transport, when it is refusing to build any\u2014any\u2014major new roads in the next three years? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f67f442be754431b816ef7bbba269214\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, if we take the Auckland example, we are currently completing the improvements in the southern corridor to State Highway 1, the upgraded Takanini Interchange, and the Lincoln to Westgate project on State Highway 16. There\u2019s a long list of roading projects that we\u2019re building; it\u2019s just that we\u2019re not a Government that believes that only roads and motorways are worth investing in. We believe in a truly multimodal transport system, and that is the definition of a balanced transport policy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9af6c3e73f04d6eaf70f37c607b28e0\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: So, 20 months into Government, does he have any timetable about when work would start on light rail down Dominion Road? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e51e971189b14cf29fda05c89f01b6c3\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, as the member knows, it\u2019s a multibillion-dollar rapid transit project. We\u2019re determined to take the time to get it right, but what distinguishes this Government from that Government is that we are actually investing in rapid transit to get our cities moving. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b9176dc1eb6446569ea1beb9cf51b95f\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4 to Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u0022577d0e88790d49f6bd22d6c6b3f24763\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022577d0e88790d49f6bd22d6c6b3f24763\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Deputy Leader\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m going to seek leave to table a letter. First of all, I just wanted to apologise for doing it now and not at the end of question No. 4, but I had to get the letter to check the wording of it. I seek leave to table a letter from the State Services Commission dated 10 June, from Mr Hughes, about the investigation. It relates specifically to Mr Makhlouf and his actions and statements, and I think it might help the House tomorrow if we\u2019re still going down the line of questioning that we have been today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022ced296bf3d5a440597978b93182097c7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ced296bf3d5a440597978b93182097c7\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is there any objection to that letter being tabled? There appears to be none. That will be tabled, and I\u2019ll look at it very soon, I think. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002258dc16b9737f436197a1f4345a94376d\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u2014Housing and Urban Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022 data-id=\u0022877fd4024f854bfaa031a564ae0b6dd7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022877fd4024f854bfaa031a564ae0b6dd7\u0022\u003EDENISE LEE (National\u2014Maungakiekie)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: Is he confident he is meeting the Prime Minister\u2019s expectations around openness and transparency?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u00227211b238d99d44d0809d89078d8294e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227211b238d99d44d0809d89078d8294e7\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Housing and Urban Development):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c5c2b9c4230f47159420e347d7cc9c4d\u0022\u003EDenise Lee\u003C/span\u003E: Did he meet with the Mayor of Auckland, Phil Goff, and the Minister for the Environment, David Parker, on 2 March 2019 to discuss the Auckland Rural Urban Boundary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf0c0cb9fce1400f8e76fa6267d024cc\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277bc1ab0afff4b128f41532d25638014\u0022\u003EDenise Lee\u003C/span\u003E: Why, when his and Minister Parker\u2019s diaries were released, did Minister Parker reveal the meeting, but he did not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c5aa350f2f0341b689fc40d5409014b2\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: The meeting was in my diary, but there was an error in the published diary\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002260cc95a308ab41c2aeba1ef0d2e496e2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! Listen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a2bae51002b43bab1591ab0cb7614de\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: It was an oversight that has since been corrected.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f1bee47cd734ae0b999e727cde2858e\u0022\u003EDenise Lee\u003C/span\u003E: Is it correct\u2014as was asserted in emails released to me from Minister Parker\u2019s office\u2014that he requested \u201Ca political meeting with no officials\u201D with Mayor Goff and Minister Parker to discuss the Auckland Rural Urban Boundary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea9f8a6bd5bd4930b928ffb7760a3f7b\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: If I could just seek clarification from the member: is the member asking me whether it\u2019s correct that Minister Parker requested a political meeting with no officials? Is that the question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022300731673ad94ee2900c82865549f13e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s exactly what the question was, with a little bit extra.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad81940037a14e2a9986a3a354e1b657\u0022\u003EDenise Lee\u003C/span\u003E: No, may I clarify, Mr Speaker? I am asking for his confirmation that emails released to me from Minister Parker\u2019s diary show that he\u2014Minister Twyford\u2014requested a meeting with no political\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b241b22a5f184df881d83e4c366fad22\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, Minister Twyford. I apologise, I got it wrong. Is that accurate?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002215a62a8a6a2542c797e5b0a70276571c\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I had requested a meeting with no officials present.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f36b632dc3e4df799ad483bc1e8b5ef\u0022\u003EDenise Lee\u003C/span\u003E: What does the non-disclosure by a Minister of a meeting with another Minister and the mayor of New Zealand\u2019s largest city about, arguably, the most important factor impacting on the supply and cost of housing say about this Government\u2019s commitment to openness and transparency?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c9dc2c33c9943e0a4f13be0746ff604\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, as I said, as soon as the error was pointed out to me that the matter hadn\u2019t been transferred over to the published diary, it was corrected. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227db58efa48384f26ad9d396226565c67\u0022\u003EDenise Lee\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table an email from Minister Twyford\u2019s office requesting a meeting with the Mayor of Auckland to discuss the Rural Urban Boundary that states it is to be a political meeting with no officials in attendance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a69336a8c934f0180fb07f26acd1722\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can you tell me the source of that email? Where did the member get it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224220362f5c7642969a5573b204529017\u0022\u003EDenise Lee\u003C/span\u003E: An Official Information Act request. It is not publicly available.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1053c09448c4adb91c13dbf85628380\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I mean, it clearly is publicly available if it\u2019s been released under the Official Information Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e85327e90d104df69101ce8538f39186\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: No, only to the member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022421380f93e744793a19233c7a36bc7ee\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Only to the member?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208b5f2cb15cc4e99b149abbc504f2c32\u0022\u003EDenise Lee\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228607dd6f1dfb4701ac13fdb556e5eebb\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Only to the member and not as part of the rest of the process?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c4a59ad80344c7db47f417e8ce670d8\u0022\u003EDenise Lee\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c08b410f579e4149841d64c75cc501e0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK. Is there any objection to that being tabled? There appears to be none. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225a6df05b6d8f4f2b8267bab757052977\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u2014Housing and Urban Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022 data-id=\u0022ca7c83d8e4ac4d33af041a2606ccdc4b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ca7c83d8e4ac4d33af041a2606ccdc4b\u0022\u003EPRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: How many State houses are under construction in June 2019, and how does this compare to June 2016?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022e52d5cb084884143b7dbf54e346cb8a0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e52d5cb084884143b7dbf54e346cb8a0\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Housing and Urban Development):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m advised that Housing New Zealand, at the moment, has 2,700 homes contracted and under construction, with a further 5,236 State homes in the planning and procurement process to be delivered between now and 2021-22. This is a ninefold increase on the 222 homes under construction in June 2016.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cee8d3de053b4ed7809291fc17e0e229\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: Where are these homes being built?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247ee24306ebe41c7969c885b5e818568\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: The changes that were made in Budget 2018 meant that Housing New Zealand could start building on the considerable reserves of vacant land in regional New Zealand that we saw build up over the last nine years; 900 homes are currently being built in regional centres, predominantly on this vacant land. Significant numbers of new State housing is being built in regional New Zealand for the first time in decades.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002219d2015c9b5e405aa6051bea48b01ef5\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: How will Housing New Zealand continue to increase the scale of its build programme?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231ddd8995ad449e2a34eefd056fe7964\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Housing New Zealand is moving to multi-year capacity contracts with builders and away from project-by-project contracts. This is where Housing New Zealand guarantees a minimum amount of building every year. This contracting arrangement gives builders the certainty to invest in their business. It lays the platform to use more off-site manufacturing to take on more apprentices and reduce the cost of construction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8f7c55e72454d24915f3af8d0c8e89a\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. So does he stand by the statements of Housing New Zealand Chief Executive, Andrew Mackenzie, who told the Social Services and Community Committee on 20 February this year that most of the State house new builds in 2017-18 were consented or started under the previous National-led Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022760767009b964b9a861c483937a0b905\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I think in the months following a general election, you would assume, logically, that most of the houses that had been built at that stage had been consented a few months prior to the election, but I repeat: the number of homes that Housing New Zealand has under construction right now represents a ninefold increase on what was being done in 2016\u2014a ninefold increase.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022854ee100e90441ceb1bca4aa4f177468\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: What benefits has the increased scale of the build programme already had?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d75df44eded6409ab6e834e19bd10cbe\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: The form of contracting with doing multi-year deals with large builders and developers has enabled Housing New Zealand to reduce the labour costs of new builds by 15 percent. Off-site manufacturing has already reduced the build time of Housing New Zealand\u2019s developments\u2014from 14 to 18 months, down to 4\u00BD months.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002276d76dcab6c64852ad58f8bf43ae533f\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to table a document compiled by the Parliamentary Library from a number of different sources, including written parliamentary questions, oral ones, Official Information Act responses from Housing New Zealand, and other documents showing the number of State houses built for Housing New Zealand from 1999 through to 2018, year by year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d98e855925924fc5a811941c1325200f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is there any objection to that document being tabled? There appears to be none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EDocument, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b823ab42e00d40ed91505aa20080dcdb\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u2014Climate Change\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022 data-id=\u00221c24e5ba3d104f259ea422f42e269299\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221c24e5ba3d104f259ea422f42e269299\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER (National\u2014Bay of Plenty)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Climate Change: Does he stand by his statement in relation to New Zealand\u2019s greenhouse gas emissions, \u201CWe\u2019re estimating that they will peak some time in the mid-2020s and decline from that point on\u201D, and by what year does he expect greenhouse gas emissions will peak under this Government\u2019s policies?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022 data-id=\u0022dd29d563be9c4214a43ee6b1f2f51599\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dd29d563be9c4214a43ee6b1f2f51599\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW (Minister for Climate Change):\u003C/span\u003E In response to the first part of the question, yes. That statement was based on greenhouse gas emissions projections in New Zealand\u2019s third biennial report, reflecting the policies that were in place in July of 2017. In answer to the second part of the question, New Zealand\u2019s fourth biennial report will be published in December of this year and will include revised projections reflecting the policies that are in place under this Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220feca78512be42e2b0e18356099b14e3\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I have a question on notice where I specifically asked the year in which greenhouse gases will peak. The Minister made a reference\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd6bf4a3f98945debaf459683b1a492e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, I was temporarily diverted. I will ask the Minister to give the second part of his question again, and if he didn\u2019t address the second part of the member\u2019s question, he will.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022001ce93b1d204145b0ea7c4ff6e4964c\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: Well, in response to the second part of the question, New Zealand\u2019s fourth biennial report will be published in December of this year, and will include revised projections reflecting the policies that are in place under this Government. I cannot give him a year in which we\u2019re projecting the policies of this Government to manage peaking; I can only give him the year that we have the most recent data for, which is the third biennial report, which is the answer to the first part of the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac6c6cef928b4eb4a374f52a14e12229\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: Taking the Minister\u2019s Radio New Zealand comments, then, around the mid-2020s, why can he not commit to reducing emissions until 2025\u2014mid-2020s\u2014given the Government\u2019s promise, and I quote, \u201Cto urgently reduce New Zealand\u2019s greenhouse gas emissions.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9fab8c872e64acab002c4e7da0e796a\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: My comments on Radio New Zealand reflected the most recent biennial report that we had, which was the third biennial report, which reflects policies that were in place in July of 2017. The entire work programme of this Government in relation to climate change is intended to accelerate the peaking and decline of emissions in this country. It includes, for example, things like setting up an independent climate change institution, reforming the emissions trading scheme, planting a billion trees, developing a renewable energy strategy, heat and industrial processes work under the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Authority fund, transport emissions\u2014putting $14.5 billion into heavy rail, light rail, walking, and cycling over the course of the next 10 years, dramatically unlocking the transport in Auckland and Wellington and so on. So if you add up all of those policies, we\u2019ll be able to give him a year in which we can actually project the decline in the fourth biennial report, in December of this year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9452740a0b44460b17b73e86dd039c5\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: Why has he, on the one hand, actively encouraged school children to strike for urgent action on climate change but, on the other hand, given himself six, seven years from the time he became Minister until New Zealand\u2019s emissions start declining?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ecd48a8bdb54f30a90d7b8d59154a41\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: I have not. As I\u2019ve said, my comments on Radio New Zealand reflected the policies of the previous Government, which is the year that we had the third biennial report for. The reason why I support people who are taking to the streets to protest the lack of action over the course of the past 30 years in relation to their future is because it is the single most important thing that they are facing. I think that that is up to them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022377a0bd3a0d7434ea64673189bb74918\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: Why is he video-conferencing into council boardrooms around the country urging them to declare climate emergencies while at the same time overseeing emissions that he has just said intend to peak into \u201Cthe mid-2020s\u201D? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227aee52cc787840588ab4663bcc5b3346\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: Because video-conferencing has lower emissions than flying there in person. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4ee43165703413284934771e68f9da1\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: Isn\u2019t this yet another example of the Government failing to deliver on its promise and, on all issues, the nuclear-free generation moment? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a6e9ef47ae284c54ad3c5780d0207d7c\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: No, as I said in answer to the primary question and the supplementary, the data that we have is the third biennial report, that reflects the policies that were in place under the previous Government. We will have new projections which I am hoping will show that we will peak our emissions sooner as a result of the increased\u2014those will come through in December, in response to your question. You\u2019ll be happy to see that when that gets published. I think that the policies of this Government will show that we will peak emissions earlier than the policies of the previous Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224e589e3de8b147199b395995e9bfc5f2\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u2014Transport\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u00224615b877e623425088f15363c786462a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224615b877e623425088f15363c786462a\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National\u2014Hutt South)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Transport: Does she stand by all of her statements, policies, and actions on road safety?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022 data-id=\u002251b96732db95488bbf1f8cc15cf880ce\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002251b96732db95488bbf1f8cc15cf880ce\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER (Associate Minister of Transport):\u003C/span\u003E Yes. In particular, I stand by this Government\u2019s balanced approach to road safety that includes the largest ever investment programme in road safety upgrades, including $1.4 billion over three years to upgrade thousands of kilometres of roads, increased funding for road police, and targeted speed reductions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205d3b16e218e41f887013e92755aa44f\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Does she stand by her comment yesterday in relation to the $331 million Vote Police road safety programme appropriation, \u201CThe figure used by the police is simply a placeholder figure only\u201D, and how many other placeholder figures are there in Vote Transport or Vote Police in Budget 2019.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286bfcf70fc7243299053c38368ea26f7\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I stand by that statement. I\u2019ll explain to the member again that the 2018-2021 road safety partnership programme includes $1.045 billion in funding for road policing with $352.7 million in funding already approved for 2018-2019. This three-year funding represents an increase of $85 million above the investment level in the previous National Government\u2019s road policing programme. The New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) and police are finalising the details of the road safety policing programme because we\u2019ve had this increased focus on road safety. We are looking to ensure that we have the right level of investment and that we have the most effective approach to reducing deaths and serious injuries on our roads.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a510251309e4eb99b6a855d32bdc45a\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Given that, why is the Vote Police road safety programme not listed as a fiscal risk in the Budget? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d81a18bdcfad427cafd1eaccfaa30b7b\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: I think that if the member puts that down in writing, we might be able to address that. It really is a question for the Minister of Finance, but I can say that it\u2019s not a fiscal risk, because we\u2019ve already approved the funding from the National Land Transport Fund in Vote Transport. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a2085274992461e8d9131325998940a\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Why have safety upgrades for State Highway 58\u2014described by NZTA as Wellington\u2019s most dangerous road\u2014been delayed? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2c381b68be3436390ed08592eb4f827\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: What the NZTA is currently in the process of doing is identifying the road-safety upgrades and improvements that will have the greatest effect in terms of reducing deaths and serious injuries across the entire country. Therefore, the prioritisation of projects is aimed at reducing deaths and serious injuries right across the country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e75650ff02274550a838821102d6115d\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222054dcdbc26f4b37ad6725302e8c89e1\u0022\u003EHon Julie Anne Genter\u003C/span\u003E: We will save more lives than you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fb445b2810c949a5b117fd01ad068793\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member is going to have another chance to finish or to give another answer. She should wait until it\u2019s her turn. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8e83fa3ba8a4b94b70e4f046aabb2e7\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Is it correct she threatened to resign if the Let\u2019s Get Wellington Moving project included a commitment to a second Mt Victoria tunnel ahead of mass rapid transit? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fcb622bd91b8474e904d989b63978c8a\u0022\u003EHon Julie Anne Genter\u003C/span\u003E: No. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227c90cb78c1284a638f24a57d2466b305\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 12\u2014Education\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022 data-id=\u0022906e9100b3c840b5afe1e717c9e10cd9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022906e9100b3c840b5afe1e717c9e10cd9\u0022\u003EANAHILA KANONGATA\u2019A-SUISUIKI (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Education: What recent announcements has she made about support for Pacific learners and their wh\u0101nau?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u0022491267caf6ef46f0b0d8ea8ed965c674\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022491267caf6ef46f0b0d8ea8ed965c674\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA (Associate Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E This year\u2019s Wellbeing Budget makes lifting Pacific incomes, skills, and opportunities one of our top priorities. That\u2019s why I was proud to announce $27.4 million in Budget 2019 to support a package of initiatives focused on achieving Pacific outcomes, growing cultural competency of the workforce, and providing opportunities for our students to learn in Pacific languages. This funding for Pacific education is just part of the $113 million specifically targeted to lift the skills and outcomes of Pacific people in New Zealand. It is a clear demonstration of our Government\u2019s commitment to lifting the wellbeing of New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a501a31cab0f4ff099a06b84e2dd4386\u0022\u003EAnahila Kanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/span\u003E: How will this engage young Pacific learners?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eaa2e7b153364bdc88c1de6dd19287d4\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: What we know from talking to Pacific students is that a great teacher is someone who understands just how important their identity, culture, and language is and shows respect in ways as simple as pronouncing their names correctly. To support the thousands of Pacific New Zealand students who make up 13 percent of all school-age children aged between five to 18, we will expand funding for Tapas\u0101, which is a cultural competency framework for teachers of Pacific students. There is currently a huge demand for Tapas\u0101 from teachers of our Pacific learners because, like us, they understand that Pacific learners who feel respected and are encouraged to have high aspirations achieve better educational outcomes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291e3e0fbe8ba4aec899a4a0699bc9c16\u0022\u003EAnahila Kanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/span\u003E: What other initiatives will this fund? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221cf038fce2cf4edda153c43839f90dc4\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: This historical increase in funding for Pacific education will allow the continuation and expansion of successful initiatives with proven track records. Tapas\u0101 is just one of those initiatives. We\u2019re also supporting extending the Pasifika Early Literacy Project; implementing DMIC, which is Developing Mathematical Inquiry Communities, in many more schools; enhancing and implementing initiatives to support Pacific families, Pacific parents, communities, and Pacific learners; and support for Pacific bilingual education. This Government knows that it\u2019s important to have community-driven initiatives and we know that we actually need to expand and fund these initiatives, unlike the last Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022609e6b8f735744879f5eb16853b6f621\u0022\u003EBudget Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022edf8ac794450412e889f426b582d12a7\u0022\u003EAppropriation (2019/20 Estimates) Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000263\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 11 June on the .\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022 data-id=\u0022a7454579feb843c3a0686b90a461e442\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a7454579feb843c3a0686b90a461e442\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E It is my real pleasure to bring more good news from the 2019 Wellbeing Budget. Members of the House will recall that there were five priorities in the Budget: taking mental health seriously, improving child wellbeing, supporting M\u0101ori and Pacific people\u2019s aspirations, building a productive nation, and transforming the economy. I want to speak a little about taking mental health seriously. This Government takes mental health seriously. In our first 100 days, I launched the inquiry into mental health and addiction. All parties in this coalition\u2014Labour, New Zealand First, and the Greens\u2014campaigned on having an inquiry into mental health and addictions, because we knew that these issues need to be addressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EHe Ara Oranga came back with 40 serious recommendations. It was a serious inquiry. This Government has stepped up and accepted\u2014accepted in principle or accepted for further consideration\u201438 of those 40 recommendations. The first 12 recommendations related to broadening access and choice in primary care for mental health services, and they talked about the missing middle. This report talked about the people who had mild to moderate mental health needs, be they anxiety, depression, or other, and the lack of services that have traditionally been available to support people who are coming forward for support to work through those mental health challenges. We have accepted, or accepted in principle, all 12 of those recommendations relating to broadening access and choice. We are putting out a new approach which puts people at the centre when it comes to dealing with mental health.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EBudget 2019, the Wellbeing Budget, allocated $1.9 billion across a range of portfolios to people\u2019s mental health and addiction concerns, including $200 million in capital expenditure specifically for investment in mental health and addiction facilities. The portfolios of health, education, corrections, justice, and housing all contributed to the package around mental health, and I want to thank colleagues for the collegial way in which they\u2019ve worked together to ensure the wellbeing of our nation is put to the fore in a new way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EThe centrepiece, as I mentioned, was a $455 million investment in broadening access and choice in primary care to get to the mild and moderate needs of those in the missing middle. Over five years, that programme will be rolled out. In the fifth year, we expect it to support 325,000 New Zealanders with mild to moderate needs\u2014and every year thereafter. I think people will recognise that that is a significant improvement on where we are right now in our support of people with mild to moderate mental health needs. One in five of us at any time could be wrestling with a mental health challenge. People know people in their own families, in their wider friends and wh\u0101nau group, in this room in Parliament. We recognise that a lot of people are wrestling with these challenges, and, as a Government, we have stepped up to provide a way to address them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EThere is also, in this Budget, $213 million going into the district health board (DHB) ring-fence for mental health support to ensure that existing services, particularly those struggling with really difficult mental health challenges, are better supported. We are also rolling out nursing in schools\u2014starting to roll it out to decile 5 schools, having rolled it out now to decile 1 to 4 schools, and, also, for nurses in schools, we\u2019re strengthening the existing support in decile 1 to 4 schools. Resilience-building, of course, is important. We need to look at the prevention end around mental health and wellbeing. We are providing resources for over half a million primary and intermediate school children, making those resources available for resilience-building, and we\u2019re investing in digital and telehealth also\u2014already rolled out, of course, in mental health. We didn\u2019t wait for the report to come back. We invested in those things we knew already had evidence behind them and made sense.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003ESo we rolled out Mana Ake into the primary and intermediate schools in the Kaik\u014Dura and Canterbury region, making sure that children wrestling with the legacy of the quakes had support at the coalface in schools. We rolled out nurses in schools, as I\u2019ve mentioned already, to ensure schools up to decile 4 have that support in their schools. We rolled out the Piki pilot. I want to acknowledge the Green Party for their contribution there to the Greater Wellington region, ensuring that 18- to 25-year-olds have support for mild to moderate needs with talking therapies. We\u2019ve invested in facilities like the Auckland City Mission\u2014the addiction facilities there, new detoxification beds. We\u2019ve invested, of course, in the community services card initiative, which means that for 540,000 New Zealanders\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd088ea4dd5943a9a361eb0866dafd60\u0022\u003EHon Jenny Salesa\u003C/span\u003E: How many?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6ae7ab4050c40d39e951c601b5aedd2\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014540,000 will be able to access cheaper doctors visits as of 1 December last year, meaning that they will be able to access services through their GP, recognising that for a lot of people, that is the way into mental health services for people. That also goes to the fact that a large number of New Zealanders, historically, have said they can\u2019t afford to go to their GP. This Government has been listening. We\u2019ve wanted to make primary care more affordable and accessible, and we have already done that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EInfrastructure\u2014I have a diagram here, which I think illustrates this very carefully and well for those who are watching at home, showing the investment in Budget 2019 really is significant. Over two years, $850 million per year over the next two years in capital investments, topping even the $750 million we put in last year, and, obviously, well ahead of the investments under the previous Government, recognising that capital stock has been strained for a very long time. We\u2019re investing $1.7 billion in health facilities in this Budget; $1.7 billion so that we\u2019ve got a capital pipeline, so that we are investing in the public delivery of health services, because we believe in the public delivery of health services. We believe every New Zealander should be able to access public health services. That is what we believe on this side of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EOn top of that, we have committed to fully funding Dunedin Hospital. Excuse me if I get a bit excited about that. Dunedin Hospital will be fully funded. It\u2019s in a contingency above and beyond that $1.7 billion dollars of capital spending. I had the pleasure of announcing the first of the investments out of that capital envelope in the Hauora Tair\u0101whiti Gisborne Hospital: a new inpatient mental health and addiction facility. Just last week I was able to confirm that spend.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EOf course, we know that the impact will be more modern, safe, fit for purpose facilities, not only for patients but also for the staff, the hard-working staff in our hospitals and healthcare system who have been under stress for so many years as the previous Government failed to invest adequately in our health services.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EOf course, that history of under-investment can\u2019t all be made up overnight. No one pretends that we can make up for nine years of neglect in one or two Budgets, but we\u2019re on the way. We are certainly investing in mental health, we\u2019re investing in our DHBs\u2014$2.8 billion into our DHBs over four years. Again, I have a wonderful diagram here\u2014a little harder to see at home; I\u2019ll explain it carefully so people can follow here\u2014showing the investment uplift under the previous Government\u2019s time and into our Government, where the lines start to take off because we are investing in a sustainable health service to make sure those people working in our hospitals are paid adequately.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EBut, also, let\u2019s acknowledge that since we took office there are 1,300 more nurses in this country. There are 440 more clinicians. There are over 300 more allied health workers. We are making sure those services are sustainable, there\u2019s enough people to deliver the services, and that they\u2019re adequately compensated, because we believe in the public delivery of health services, making sure all New Zealanders, no matter how deep their pockets, where they live, can access quality care. That\u2019s what they do, and I want to thank those clinicians for the hard yards they put in over many years of underfunding and for the hard yards they continue to put in as we start to right the ship after the years of under-investment by the former Government. We care about those staff and clinicians, and we recognise the hard work that they do for all New Zealanders to make sure they get the care that they need and deserve.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003ESpecifically, in this Government, we\u2019re also investing in M\u0101ori and Pacific wellbeing in the health sector. We have a M\u0101ori Health Innovation Fund that\u2019s got an extra $4 million in it. We\u2019ve got a Pacific Provider and Workforce Development Fund that has an extra $10 million in it. We\u2019ve got a M\u0101ori workforce development fund that will help hundreds of M\u0101ori into health professions\u2014that has another $10 million in it. We\u2019ve got $4.3 million set aside for wraparound services to get Pacific midwives and nurses through their training, because we recognise we need more. There\u2019s another nearly $10 million into the Pacific Innovation Fund. We\u2019re investing in our M\u0101ori and Pacific communities particularly in the health area because we know we need to strengthen those workforces. On top of that, our Wellbeing Budget includes an extra $12 million over four years for rheumatic fever programmes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EI do want to acknowledge the Hon Jenny Salesa, who\u2019s sitting next to me and who has advocated for M\u0101ori and Pacific communities alongside her colleagues in the M\u0101ori caucus. I want to pay a nod around the House here, because that M\u0101ori caucus has, I think, seen some significant investment\u2014over half a billion in this Budget\u2014and I want to specifically label, in our primary care initiative, that $62 million of that is set aside for kaupapa M\u0101ori services. We\u2019re recognising that most M\u0101ori continue to access mainstream services but that, actually, kaupapa M\u0101ori is becoming an increasingly important vehicle for the delivery of services. There should be services available for people in the style and nature that they can access, built with the community to ensure everyone is getting the care that they need.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EThis Budget put the biggest ever boost in for disability support services, $72 million. The need has been going up\u201436,000 people now access disability support services. That is a good news story. More people are accessing these services than ever before, and that record boost came on top of a record boost the year before for disability support services. There will need to be more money going in; that demand is going up for those services, but we\u2019re a Government proud to stand with disabled people to support them as they contribute to our society.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve invested a lot more money in a number of other things: rural health and midwives-but my time has expired. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u0022e9d70764297243c790229a70ee2cc403\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e9d70764297243c790229a70ee2cc403\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (National\u2014Papakura):\u003C/span\u003E That was a long 10 minutes, wasn\u2019t it? My goodness! Do you know what? I was listening to the Hon Phil Twyford yesterday. I was one of the only kind people who bothered to listen, and I was waiting for him to mention that word \u201CKiwiBuild\u201D. Did I hear it? I did not, no. Remember KiwiBuild? It was going to bring 100,000 houses to New Zealanders. Everyone was going to have one, it was going to be great\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226be6ea61fc6c424c99501a0d4983336c\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: How\u2019s that going?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d287c9486952417b99f2a5f6f0ed9270\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, I think they\u2019ve got about a hundred. It\u2019s only 18 months and $2 billion. I\u2019m just quoting the Hon Shane Jones of course\u2014billion dollars, billion dollars. Two billion dollars and a hundred houses\u2014I could\u2019ve popped down to the shop and bought some, because that\u2019s where Phil Twyford thinks houses come from.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EWhat we did not hear from Phil Twyford is anything about what\u2019s happening with this reset. In January this year, we got told KiwiBuild targets were going to be reset. It was going to be a rethink. It\u2019s, sort of, recalibrate, and I think it\u2019s actually going to be a retreat. So what we\u2019ve got now is we have six months down the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fcfd850c4d7c4389a27a06c610b4902a\u0022\u003ESimeon Brown\u003C/span\u003E: What about a \u201Cresign\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022839a4881c1304532a54c0876ab838cd9\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it could well be a resign, Mr Simeon Brown, Pakuranga\u2014excellent MP. It could well be a resign. The fact is that Phil Twyford has been struggling terribly with KiwiBuild, and it is, of course, as a kind and caring person, something I wish to feel pity for him on, but it\u2019s so difficult because of my colleague Denise Lee, first-term MP, asking written questions of Phil Twyford, and the very sneaky meetings he was having with Phil Goff, his former boss, who\u2019s Mayor of Auckland, and the Hon David Parker to talk about, I don\u2019t know, urban development\u2014all those things. There\u2019s an email, released by David Parker\u2019s office and not released by Phil Twyford\u2019s office\u2014but, apparently, it\u2019s actually from Phil Twyford\u2019s office\u2014saying, \u201CLet\u2019s have this as one of those little secret meetings where we\u2019re not going to talk about anything that\u2019s not political.\u201D, so no ministerial responsibility. I think that\u2019s excellent work, but looking for what Phil Twyford was up to, well, he obviously didn\u2019t talk about KiwiBuild, because nothing\u2019s happened.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s something funny going on with KiwiBuild, and, at the moment, I\u2019ve been going around with our colleague Andrew Bayly, MP for Hunua and building construction spokesman, and we\u2019ve been talking to a lot of property developers. Every time they come in the door, they\u2019re wanting to talk about KiwiBuild. Why? They are laughing about it, and I keep saying to them, \u201CLook, you\u2019ve got a great welfare scheme. Nothing can beat a welfare scheme for property developers.\u201D Imagine if the National Party, in Government, had come up with a property developers\u2019 welfare scheme. But they\u2019re going one better. What they\u2019re doing at the moment is they\u2019re now talking to great big enormous corporate entities; you know, those great big enormous corporate entities, some of which have foreign shareholders\u2014no, foreign shareholders\u2014and they\u2019re talking about having these foreign corporate people, as well as some New Zealand enormous corporate people, build\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228786e72e3cfb49efbbf862ffbf9961c9\u0022\u003EHon Scott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: What do the names sound like?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e52f621fe8a451a99452c6b855854d0\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014some of them. But they\u2019ve all got \u201CKiwi\u201D in them, apparently, so it makes it all right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EWhat they\u2019re doing is they\u2019re going to talk to them about building great big apartment blocks to house people for renting for life\u2014renting for life. That sounds excellent, doesn\u2019t it? It sounds excellent, until one thinks, who\u2019s going to own the building and who\u2019s going to get all the rent? Oh, that\u2019s going to be the big foreign-type corporate people. And after that, what\u2019s going to happen\u2014how are they going to get all this stuff done? Well, Phil Twyford\u2019s got the deal for them, and guess what it is? You\u2019ll never guess what it is. He\u2019s going to let them have all this Crown land around places like Auckland that is currently unoccupied and unused, and they don\u2019t have to pay for it\u2014no, not for ages and ages, and when they do come to pay for it, it won\u2019t be worth much because it\u2019s already at a set price; it\u2019s going to be a deferred payment. Now, what numpty would ever do that? The answer is, that would be somebody of the sort of the Hon Phil Twyford, who is the property developers\u2019 closest and dearest friend, and now he\u2019s the big corporate friend. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003ESo when I\u2019ve been talking to these people, they say to me, \u201CWhat do you think about this?\u201D I kind of think if a National-led Government did this, what would be the howls of derision from the other side of Parliament? Would they be saying, \u201CThis is great corporate welfare for the rich end of town.\u201D? Of course they would be saying it, and why are they not saying it now? Because they\u2019re the ones who are being conned into it. These people in charge in KiwiBuild and all the other entities\u2014by the way, it\u2019s only $2 billion in last year\u2019s Budget. There\u2019s about $500 million here, there, and everywhere. It\u2019s only money. It\u2019s only other people\u2019s money. It\u2019s only money that hard-working New Zealanders who pay their taxes have paid for. It\u2019s money that is something that people should expect this Government will respect and use with discretion. But no, let\u2019s just funnel it off to the big corporates\u2014funnel it off there and ask them, \u201CHow many ways would you like us to pay you?\u201D That\u2019s what\u2019s happening. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EThis is an entire Budget about broken promises. Never before have we seen the Government be able to spin a botched Budget and call it a wellbeing Budget. Well, remember this promise about no new taxes? Oh, I don\u2019t know, there\u2019s only seven, to date. Seven\u2014seven\u2014to date. How about the $10 cheaper doctors visit for all? Sorry, not in this Budget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f774842a0cb4a089c5975536c7a16c1\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, where\u2019s the $10?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f044c0f127f4818bede9432e2f6a4cd\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: No, that\u2019s going to the property developers in the KiwiBuild scheme. If you put away, Mr Mitchell, $2 billion for the property developers of W\u0101naka, Te Kauwhata, Canterbury, and anywhere else\u2014McLennan Park in Papakura\u2014there\u2019s really not $10 left for the poor little kids who can\u2019t\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002259a8ee65fe70499dbc65859e1336bb8e\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: What about the teachers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e05bc26ce38944f289948ad96b440326\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014go to the doctors. And the teachers\u2014and what about the teachers? What a good question. Early childhood education funding\u2014100 percent qualified, they said. We\u2019re going to have all of that. Oh, sorry, not in this Budget. How about ensuring all students have access to mobile digital devices? Oh, no, not in this Budget. How about the promise to increase the age of breast screening to 74? No, not in this Budget. How about the cancer drugs for the women, the youngish women in their 40s\u2014actually, very young, really, frankly, 40\u2014who are dying of terminal cancer, and drugs that are available in Australia are not here in New Zealand because there\u2019s no money for Pharmac to pay for them? Now, how about that? I don\u2019t know. I can tell you. There\u2019s $2 billion in KiwiBuild that you can strike right now and take. How about the promise to get debt below 20 percent of GDP? Oh, that\u2019s easy; this Budget\u2019s increased the target to 25 percent\u2014that\u2019s how you deal with that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EThe thousand KiwiBuild houses due for 1 July 2019\u2014we\u2019ve got three weeks to go. We\u2019ve got a hundred, and they can\u2019t sell them. Phil Twyford can\u2019t sell them. So we\u2019re supposed to believe, in New Zealand, that you\u2019ve got 100 houses actually built. You\u2019ve got half of them sold, half of them not sold. The property developers, who actually do marketing of houses, they can\u2019t sell them; and Phil Twyford reckons he can do a better job selling them? Well, he could sell them at a discount or he could turn them into State houses, but he doesn\u2019t want to do that. Why doesn\u2019t he want to do that? Because he\u2019s signed contracts for the developers saying he wasn\u2019t allowed to do that. He got taken to the cleaners, and the problem with that is that New Zealanders got taken to the cleaners. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI remember that he committed that there was going to be no more housing people in motels, and nobody should be sleeping in cars in winter. I remember him saying that. Today, in select committee, what did Phil Twyford say? He said these famous words\u2014I want us all to remember\u2014\u201CIt\u2019s going to get worse before it gets better.\u201D I said to him today, \u201CWhy would that be? Why would it get worse?, and he talked about the National-led Government\u2014except that he\u2019s been in Government for 20 months, and, secondly, he tells us he hasn\u2019t sold any State houses. He\u2019s told us he\u2019s built all these State houses. Well, where are they? Because I can tell you this: they\u2019re not full of people who are sleeping on the streets or sleeping in cars.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EHe said, and the Government said, that they promised\u2014and, actually, Phil Twyford said, he promised\u2014to build light rail to the airport from the Auckland central business district within four years. Well, that was 20 months ago, and what\u2019s happened? Not even a business case\u2014and rumoured, I hear, that it\u2019s heading for a scrapping, so it\u2019s not even a business case. But it\u2019s OK. They\u2019ll just call it \u201CKiwiTram\u201D and they\u2019ll try and sell it to the public at the next election and say, \u201CJust like KiwiBuild, at some stage, it will be coming somewhere to you at the M\u0101ngere town centre.\u201D This is the level of planning from this Government, and this is the level of delivery. No planning, no preparation, no delivery; just rhetoric.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u00223e87b1914caa4ce082f6950b90e4a282\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223e87b1914caa4ce082f6950b90e4a282\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister for Children):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I just say I really enjoyed that contribution. It put me in mind of the Rt Hon Rob Muldoon. The Rt Hon Rob Muldoon was on stage\u2014remember, he did a stage play? The content was rubbish but the animation was brilliant. It was really entertaining. So thank you very much to the Hon Judith Collins. It\u2019s brilliant\u2014really good. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EThis morning I was at Estimates with the Social Services and Community Committee, and I want to spend my contribution here talking about Oranga Tamariki. The expert advisory panel in 2015, put in place by the previous Government, produced a report that said we must 100 percent change the way we deliver child protection services in this country, and they were right. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EIn that report, they said that in the 2019-20 year, there would need to be over a billion dollars invested in Oranga Tamariki so that it could deliver the services in the way that they needed to to change the game for children who needed us in New Zealand. In the Wellbeing Budget, this Government has invested $1.1 billion. We have kept the commitment of the previous Government. We have kept the pathway, because we know that it is too important to play politics with these children and these families. We know that to be true.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003ESo I acknowledge the select committee this morning. It was interactive, as it should be. They probed, they asked questions, they wanted information, and they held myself and the chief executive to account. But it was a respectful debate. It was a debate that focused on the children and are we doing what we need to do for the children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EBut where is that $1.1 billion going? There are lots of things going on, because the system itself was 100-percent broken. The way I describe it is that with the advent of Oranga Tamariki, we have been shifting from a child crisis service to a child protection service. We\u2019ve never had a child protection service in this country before. So $31.6 million from the Wellbeing Budget is actually going to be invested in intensive intervention. What is intensive intervention? We have too many children in our care because we are not walking alongside our families, both at an early stage\u2014and there\u2019s $26.7 million for early intervention support for our NGO and iwi and M\u0101ori organisation partners to try and move in earlier to support families. The increases to Wh\u0101nau Ora will also go some way towards putting in place early intervention systems where those who are closest to those families, those who have relationships with those families\u2014because let\u2019s get real, nobody wants Oranga Tamariki to show up at their door. We\u2019re the last people they want to see. But let\u2019s also be clear: Oranga Tamariki is not the problem; Oranga Tamariki is part of the solution. There will always need to be a service like Oranga Tamariki, because there will always be orphans. There will always be unsupported children. There will always be circumstances\u2014the multiple ways that children come into Oranga Tamariki\u2019s care.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EI also want to make sure that people understand that when we talk about children in our care, there are some children who are technically in the care of the chief executive but they are still living with their family. They are still with their parents and they are being supported by our NGO partners, or sometimes directly by Oranga Tamariki staff. Then we have another group of children that are technically in the care of the chief executive but they are in extended family\u2014grandparents raising grandchildren, aunts, uncles\u2014who have stepped forward. Every child who is not living with their mother or father is technically a care-experienced child; they are in somebody else\u2019s care. So there are multiple ways that the 6,400 children that are currently in the care of Oranga Tamariki are being supported. The majority are being supported with family and wh\u0101nau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EI also want to make a point that there\u2019s $140 million to extend the youth justice system. We have the committee stage of the Oranga Tamariki Legislation Bill coming through later this evening. Now, not only is that about making sure that we have the capacity to take 17-year-olds into the youth justice system, it is to do better by them. That goes to some of the strategic partnerships that we have created directly with iwi, because we have a responsibility to work better for M\u0101ori, to be better for M\u0101ori. This is as a nation, not just Oranga Tamariki. But Oranga Tamariki has section 7AA in its legislation, which is a responsibility upon the chief executive that no other chief executive has when it comes to M\u0101ori, and Oranga Tamariki takes that responsibility incredibly seriously.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003ESo, for example, we have three strategic alliances at the moment, with Ng\u0101puhi, Ng\u0101i Tahu, and Waikato-Tainui. In the signing that I went to recently, the Waikato-Tainui chief executive themself has said that in the six months of the partnership building up to that signing, over 200 Waikato-Tainui children did not come into the State\u2019s care\u2014did not. That is where we need to go as a nation. When M\u0101ori say, \u201CGive us back our children.\u201D, we agree with them. We all need to work together to keep the children safe. With these strategic alliances, with these partnerships, as we walk forward, with the money that this Budget has provided for us, we will start to create the future that we jointly want for our children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EBut with Ng\u0101puhi, for example, up in the north, another example of a strategic alliance which has now won international recognition was where Oranga Tamariki went out and called for expressions of interest in creating a new remand facility. Ng\u0101puhi came to see us and said, \u201CWe want to do this but we don\u2019t want to do it your way.\u201D Oranga Tamariki said, \u201CFine, what\u2019s your idea?\u201D And so they put their idea out on the table and Oranga Tamariki said, \u201CLet\u2019s have a go.\u201D So 30 Ng\u0101puhi families were trained up so that when young people had to be remanded, they were remanded to a home\u2014somebody\u2019s home. They were cared for and mentored. So far\u2014considering that most people don\u2019t know that that happened\u2014it\u2019s been incredibly successful. It is a risk, but we have to take a risk; not with people\u2019s lives, not with children\u2019s lives, not with babies\u2019 lives, but we have to take a risk inside this system to\u2014occasionally, something bad will happen, something might go wrong, but we cannot continue the risk-averse way that we were funding and providing what was a child crisis service. This Budget has given us the capacity to do what we needed to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EI also want to just focus on that 60 to 70 percent of the children in Oranga Tamariki\u2019s care are M\u0101ori. Nobody can deny those percentages, but I want to make this clear: 98.5 percent of M\u0101ori children in New Zealand are living and loved and cared for and supported by their mum and their dad; 98.5 percent of M\u0101ori children in this country are not in Oranga Tamariki\u2019s care. We must ensure that when we have this conversation we don\u2019t start to tar every single M\u0101ori child with some negativity because we have 1.5 percent of M\u0101ori children in this country who do need our support. Of that 1.5 percent of M\u0101ori children, 80 percent of them are either with their family or with extended wh\u0101nau. We must ensure that when we have these conversations, we don\u2019t generalise and make sure that everybody is the same through this process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EI need to set down, obviously, that there is a lot\u2014a lot\u2014in this Budget for Oranga Tamariki and these children, but I want to close with the $153.7 million that has been put into transitions and creating a transition service. I don\u2019t know about the rest of this House but I know that the last time I needed to go home to my mum and dad and to their back room, I was about 27 years old. To be told at the age of 18 now, \u201CThat\u2019s it, it\u2019s over. You\u2019re out on your own.\u201D is too soon\u2014it is too soon, and we recognise that. The previous Government recognised that. So what that money is going to be able to do is to actually support those children and the carers who have built a trusting relationship to stay together up to the age of 21. And there will be an advice and support service that will be set up so that they can seek that advice and still get support up to the age of 25.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003ESo if they don\u2019t know how to do their bond forms or if something comes up, like StudyLink or just another drama, they have somebody to call, because everybody needs somebody to call. Out of our youth justice systems, we\u2019re going to create mentors. We\u2019re going to make sure that there is a person that will walk alongside them\u2014up until the age of 25, at least. This is what it\u2019s about. That $153.7 million is about building relationships so that the young people that are in Oranga Tamariki\u2019s care have the support that the rest of us have. Every other child has somebody that stands behind them and says, \u201CWe\u2019re here for you. We will be here for you and if you need to look back in a moment and ask for our help, we will provide it.\u201D Kia ora, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u002268528e6fdff4430e850ec9c4841eda22\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002268528e6fdff4430e850ec9c4841eda22\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I\u2019ve been reflecting on the intervention by the Minister of Health, the Hon Dr David Clark, a few minutes ago. I think the saddest thing about that intervention is that he honestly believes the rhetoric that he told the House\u2014that things are somehow getting better on his watch. But there\u2019s very little evidence to show that that\u2019s the case, and there\u2019s plenty of evidence to show that Labour have not delivered on so many of the promises they gave to the people of New Zealand. There\u2019s very little of the extra money\u2014certainly not the $8 billion that he claimed had been starved from funding under the previous Government. Those DHBs are now under massive, massive financial stress\u2014stress that might be understandable if throughput was going up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EBut, actually, what we\u2019re seeing are fewer services being delivered, not more. So I want to go through these areas. I accept that there was one reasonably significant area where there was money invested, but how can this Budget be called a wellbeing Budget if, in order to fund that extra investment in one part of the health sector, the other parts of the health sector are stressed and starved financially? And I want to go through the areas of health where Labour aren\u2019t delivering on their promises.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EIf there\u2019s an area they\u2019re not delivering on their promises that is most obvious to every New Zealander, it\u2019s in GP fees, because it was for every New Zealander that Jacinda Ardern and a bevy of caucus colleagues stood in the Manukau shopping centre and said, \u201CEvery single New Zealander is going to get a reduction in GP fees.\u201D\u2014not delivered on that promise not only this year but last year. It was a \u201CMaybe we will but not yet.\u201D And we still wait for that promise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EI wonder what the people who were told they were going to get better cancer care thought about Labour\u2019s delivery of that promise. Good people, who have come before the Health Committee, like Blair Vining, Wiki Mulholland, Terre Maize. There are about two dozen petitions talking about increasing funding for certain drugs or treatments, and there\u2019s another big one coming from the Vinings. I wonder what they think about whether Labour have delivered on their promise to deliver world-class cancer care. That is certainly not the perception of many.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EThey haven\u2019t delivered on their promises on pharmaceutical funding. I mean, that is so fundamental to what we are doing, and I was staggered to hear the Minister of Health, who criticised the previous Government for nine years for what he described as underfunding in pharmaceuticals management, saying that 1.1 percent is enough because we make savings by turning patents into generics and that\u2019ll be all right. That is hugely misunderstanding the degree to which New Zealand is falling behind the rest of the OECD on world-leading medicines. It was one comment in Opposition. It was the delivery of promises but not the delivery of funding.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s another big, big area where Labour is failing to deliver on its promises, and that is in\u2014and this is scandalous, in my view\u2014the community of midwifery. Now, the community of midwives took the previous Government to the High Court for equity\u2014a female-dominated occupation but, effectively, self-employed, so they didn\u2019t have a pathway through the Equal Pay Act into the Employment Court. They did the novel thing and took the Government to the High Court under the Human Rights Act. The previous Government agreed a process for a mediated settlement which would result in a budget increase\u2014a budget bid, at least\u2014that was transparent. The Minister of Health, in the previous Budget, completely ignored it to the point where the Ministry of Health had to apologise to the College of Midwives for their failure to deliver a budget bid for Budget 2018.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EOne would think that, in the face of that sort of take down\u2014and just bear in mind that not only was there no budget bid; there was zero communication between the ministry and the Minister\u2019s office about even thinking about it. That\u2019s what this Minister and that Government think about the community of midwives. In the face of that response, one would think that in Budget 2019 there would be something of a remedy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dbfd2b99a26d4346b8bf154cf4619595\u0022\u003EHon Scott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: Nothing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247fd09fdf74747d69dd815b8626d182a\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE\u003C/span\u003E: Not a sausage. Indeed, because of that failure to do what they did last year, a new mediated settlement was reached, with a pathway to conclusion in July 2020. That\u2019s fine, but there\u2019s another part of that settlement agreement, and that is that there should have been a significant bump in this year\u2019s Budget. That\u2019s why I call it scandalous. It is scandalous because they have been ignored, and midwives are voting with their feet to leave the profession or leave the country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EWe had some staggering statistics today about net migration, where our greatest export is now our people. There\u2019s been a 73 percent increase in the number of people leaving New Zealand, and my guess is that there\u2019s a good number of the community of midwives among them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c5001fb8d9694073ae4bd60c8a70c720\u0022\u003EHon Scott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s what happened under the last Labour Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ccdc5242f124482f854e8977deb53513\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely. Quite right, Mr Simpson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003ENow, I also wonder why Labour isn\u2019t delivering on its promise to provide a free health and eye check for its seniors, because that was in the coalition agreement. It\u2019s not like they could say, \u201COh, well, you know, we only said that when we were the Labour Party; now we\u2019ve got to balance the books a bit more, so we\u2019re going to backtrack from that.\u201D This was in the coalition agreement with New Zealand First. Not a dickie bird about when. We\u2019re two Budgets in and there\u2019s a heck of a lot of stuff backing up. The Minister of Finance must be having kittens over the number of \u201Cnot yet but soon\u201D comments that have been made by his colleagues. Breast screening\u2014increasing the age to 74. That\u2019s standard now around the world. They promised it. They have failed to deliver on that promise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EI was fascinated by the Minister\u2019s comments about staffing, frankly, because he talked about this great increase in nursing. Well, actually, two things about that: that was delivered under the previous Government, and if there is such a big bump in the nursing workforce that\u2019s coming, why does this Budget say the goal for the nursing workforce\u2014for the number of nursing entry to practice trainees\u2014is equal to or greater than two years ago. It was 1,135 this year\u20141,135. Next year? 1,135. That\u2019s flat-lined like a really, really bad patient.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EGPs was a specific campaign pledge where Labour has not delivered on that promise. They said they would increase the number of people in the GP registrar training programme to 300. It\u2019s gone from 185, two years ago, to 180. Now, I have a degree in accounting. I don\u2019t think I need it to know that that is lower, not higher, and certainly heading in the wrong direction if the goal is 300\u2014a significant failure to deliver. To pretend that the workforce is somehow better off under this Government is going to make people laugh, but they\u2019re not going to think it\u2019s very funny.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EThe last, biggest failure is in the fact that the district health boards (DHBs) are drowning in a sea of red ink and this Budget does nothing to keep them afloat. The Minister admitted to the Health Committee this morning that he cannot expect financial viability from the DHBs\u2014he\u2019s just given up\u2014and why would he? Three of the DHBs\u2014Waikato, Counties Manukau, and Canterbury\u2014still haven\u2019t had their annual plans approved for this year. The year is about to end in two weeks. Their forecasted financial deficits are $210 million of the $390 million\u2014that, I think, is actually way conservative, and so does Treasury; it\u2019ll be closer to the half a billion dollars that I\u2019ve been predicting for four months\u2014and he says he can talk them into financial viability. He\u2019ll give them a damned good telling off, he\u2019ll fire the odd board and stick in a commissioner, but none of that is going to reduce the massive sea of red ink that the health sector has been put under, presided over by this asleep-at-the-wheel Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EMy question is simply this: how can a Budget that is so punctuated by the failure of the Government to deliver on its promises be considered a wellbeing Budget? How can the wellbeing of all of those corners of the health sector that have had their tins raided to fund another part think that this is a wellbeing Budget? It\u2019s not even well-meaning; it\u2019s petty, and it\u2019s penny-pinching, and it\u2019s sending this sector\u2014I feel very sorry for it; I\u2019ve worked in it for a long, long time. I know these people well; they\u2019re desperate to do better for their patients, and this Government is significantly failing them in their attempts to do that. And, as I say, we heard today that our biggest export is people, and many of them will be from the health sector. I think that is a crying shame.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022 data-id=\u00221452b4e1b9a94929806471093f95d612\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221452b4e1b9a94929806471093f95d612\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE (Minister of Conservation):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare. What we\u2019re hearing from the Opposition benches is criticism, criticism, criticism but a failure to recognise the legacy that this Government inherited of lack of investment right across the social services, right across housing, health, families, young children, conservation\u2014a total failure to invest. What this Government is doing through the Wellbeing Budget is actually recognising that people and planet matter and investing in that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EMr Woodhouse, this is a wellbeing Budget because 600,000 New Zealanders now pay $20 to $30 less to go to the doctor. Mr Woodhouse, this is a wellbeing Budget because we have free visits for all children under 14. This Government is about remedying the problems of the past. Hon Judith Collins talked about housing. What that member fails to recognise is that 41,000 people were homeless in 2013, and right now there are more people in State house tenancies than at any other time. We have a programme, because of Budget 2018, of an extra 6,400 State houses over the four years, and that programme is well on track, as Minister Twyford noted in replies to questions today. It is recognising that people and planet matter. It is investing, and I\u2019m very proud to be part of a Government that is doing that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EIn conservation under the National Party when it was in Government, we saw the loss of 200 staff and repeated cuts to Te Papa Atawhai. Budget 2019 delivers the biggest increase in conservation funding in 17 years for the second year in a row\u2014$181 million over four years last year; another $180 million over four years this year. This is ensuring that we recognise that nature is the heart of our success, whether it is in the primary production sector or in our biggest export industry, in tourism. I\u2019d like to commend the leadership of the Hon Kelvin Davis, who\u2019s got a far more strategic approach to that tourism industry, and it is the International Visitor Conservation and Tourism Levy\u2014the implementation of that through our legislation on Budget night\u2014that is enabling a significant investment both in conservation and tourism infrastructure and planning. Under National, it was just interested in making visitor numbers grow but not protecting the landscapes and the indigenous biodiversity that so many international visitors come here to see.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EThirty-two percent of international visitors say that their major reason for coming to Aotearoa New Zealand is our natural landscapes, is our biodiversity. What was National doing? Slashing the funding. What is this Government doing? Investing to protect the basis of that industry, to protect the basis of our marketing brand overseas, and that is really delivering. We\u2019ve got the biggest landscape-scale predator control operation being rolled out this winter in response to the beech mast year\u2014over 12 percent of conservation land, a million hectares. We\u2019ve got kokako. Now, new populations have been established in places like the Taranaki maunga, east Taranaki, and on the forested slopes of Mount Pirongia. What that shows is that where the Department of Conservation gets the funding, where it invests in intensive management of threatened species, we can turn around the decline that has been occurring.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EPart of Budget 2018\u2014$76 million is in a biodiversity package; increased investment across the terrestrial, the marine, and the freshwater space. Again, this Government is joined up. Ministers Parker and O\u2019Connor, at Fieldays this afternoon, announced some of the detail of the $226 million that Budget 2019 is putting into more sustainable land and water use. Everyone has a right to swim in their local river, but under National we saw our rivers get more and more polluted; 80 percent of monitored sites in rural catchments unable to swim in because of elevated E. coli; nitrate levels rising in places like Canterbury, contaminating water supplies. Under this Government, we are assisting farmers\u2014over 2,000 in this $35 million package\u2014to get the tools that they need to transition to a much more sustainable land use that reduces nutrient runoff and pollution, that reduces greenhouse emissions, and that is about protecting our primary sector while also protecting the natural environment; that joined-up thinking\u2014investing in the Climate Commission because of our commitment under the zero carbon bill to meet our commitments that we made in Paris.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EThis Budget is about wellbeing for both people and planet\u2014the major investment in mental health services recognising the crisis that we have there in our country. I\u2019m really proud of the work that colleagues like Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick are doing in that space, and the work that my colleague Jan Logie has done in the domestic and sexual violence space to recognise and own up to these problems and then to put in place the funding so that we can deliver services to all New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EAcross the board, there\u2019s been an investment in the areas that matter. Another is waste: under the former National Government, we saw our waste going to landfill increasing year on year. What this Government is doing is recognising that we need to reduce that, both to reduce our methane emissions\u20145 percent of our greenhouse emissions are from the waste sector. We need to respond to the waste crisis that we have internationally\u2014the images of plastic pollution in oceans around the world. That is why, under this Government, I set up a task force with the Ministry for the Environment to respond to the National Sword initiative. Budget 2019 delivers an additional $4 million to the Ministry for the Environment over four years to do much more policy work so that we can roll out the framework to reduce waste. In 2017, the former National Government had recommendations to expand the landfill levy. Nothing happened. This Government is committed to expanding the landfill levy to provide an incentive to divert waste from landfill, and that\u2019s what some of that $4 million will go into doing: doing the policy work to support that, in responding to China\u2019s National Sword initiative, working with councils and recycling operators around New Zealand to actually recharge our recycling and materials recovery system so that we have a more efficient economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EThis Government is about a sustainable, productive, inclusive economy and as we make that transition to a circular economy, that is far more efficient because instead of materials going to landfill, they are recovered, reused in new products. We\u2019re doing that in the plastics space, investment through things like the Waste Minimisation Fund, and the landfill levy will significantly expand the revenue to assist progressive businesses, to assist councils, to assist community organisations to divert waste from landfill and turn around our rubbish record on waste.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EIn the Land Information New Zealand space, again there is an investment in the Crown\u2019s management of Crown pastoral lands alongside leaseholders\u2014an extra $3.6 million there so that the Crown can have a much more active role and not continue with the privatisation programme that was operating under the former Government, which saw so many poor outcomes. There is additional funding for Land Information New Zealand to implement the Landonline renewal and significantly improve that whole system, which is at the basis of property transactions around Aotearoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EThis is a Budget that, across the board, is about an investment approach to correct the legacy that we were left by the National Party of not caring about people, not caring about the planet, and not investing where it mattered. This Government is ensuring that the investments are strategic, that they are going to long-term change across all of those sectors, and that they recognise that New Zealanders have a right to dignity, have a right to living in safe, warm, dry houses, have a right to swim in their local river and to hear the dawn chorus. That is why there has been such a lot of additional funding in all these critical areas so that we are ensuring that our future here in these islands of Aotearoa is sustainable and that we have a healthy country and a healthy economy. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022 data-id=\u0022d2586f498bdb4fffb5cc9a5d7bc86a39\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d2586f498bdb4fffb5cc9a5d7bc86a39\u0022\u003EHon SCOTT SIMPSON (National\u2014Coromandel):\u003C/span\u003E Well, thank you, Mr Speaker. It\u2019s a sad day when a Minister of the Crown who has been in office now for two years cannot even fill up 10 minutes to talk about this Budget. It\u2019s a botched Budget. It\u2019s a litany of examples of the failure to deliver on promises. And if there was a really good example of how failure to deliver on promises occurred in a range of environmental portfolios, it\u2019s that Minister, Eugenie Sage, who\u2019s just resumed her seat. Very good on the rhetoric, very good on the academic theory, very good on the talk, very good on the slogan; absolutely hopeless on delivery. No delivery at all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003ESo when the much-promised and long-awaited and delayed Cabinet reshuffle occurs, it\u2019s almost certain that that Minister will be reshuffled, and for good reason, because, actually, in Government, Governments need to deliver. They need to deliver on promises and in politics, and, in Government, promises are important and delivery is even more important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EI\u2019m of an age where I can remember, as a child, from primary school days, the last one-term Labour Government that we had, and it was\u2014Melissa Lee\u2019s looking very surprised. I know that that\u2019s hard to believe, Melissa Lee\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227777d3bcd97d44a2a32878d8e42fe137\u0022\u003ESimeon Brown\u003C/span\u003E: I wasn\u2019t there, Scott.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e425473ad836428aadac7fcc6a8327dd\u0022\u003EHon SCOTT SIMPSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and I know that Simeon Brown certainly wasn\u2019t there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d197d4abda5c436e8336912ac098f5d7\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I door-knocked for them, at the beginning and the end.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229fef37c7433e4bc6a91337e5109884e8\u0022\u003EHon SCOTT SIMPSON\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha! I can remember it and I am sure that there are others\u2014there are probably some presiding officers that might be able to remember it as well. Interestingly enough, I had an opportunity recently to spend a little time at a luncheon, actually, with a former Treasurer of New Zealand, a former finance Minister, none other than Sir William Birch. Sir William Birch is a fine fellow, in good heart and hale and hearty, and he was keen to remind me of some of the similarities between this current Labour Government and the last one-term Labour Government that we had. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003ENow, no one is, of course, of a mind that anything as awful as what happened to the Labour leader, Norm Kirk, will happen to the current Prime Minister, of course, but there are some similarities in terms of style between Norm Kirk and the current Prime Minister. Both of them like the grand vision. Both of them like the grand gesture. Both of them lack the detail. Both of them don\u2019t want to be put under the scrutiny of intense questioning and detail. And then Bill Birch said to me that there was a bunch of ambitious reforming Cabinet Ministers, all of them going in different directions, all of them trying to do things that would mark them out as being a page in the history book of New Zealand. There were people like Joe Walding, Phil Amos, Martyn Finlay, and a whole group like that\u2014Bob Tizard in finance\u2014and they were spending like drunken sailors. Spending like drunken sailors, they were, and that\u2019s actually true of this lot. We\u2019ve got people like Minister Twyford, Chris Hipkins, Andrew Little in justice. These are very similar characters to those that were present in the last one-term Labour Government. Then Sir William went on to say that they didn\u2019t deliver on their promises, and that was absolutely right. That\u2019s, of course, true with this current crowd: made grand promises, didn\u2019t deliver on them, and the people of New Zealand have a very low tolerance for non-delivery in terms of expectations that have been created and not put into action.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EThen the other thing that Sir William reminded me of, of course, was that during that period between 1972 and 1975, during the last one-term Labour Government, there was an incredibly uncertain international backdrop all around the world, and that\u2019s of course very similar to the situation that we have today: uncertainty in Europe, uncertainty in the United Kingdom, uncertainty in Asia, and some would say uncertainty in North America. So a failure to deliver on promises matched against a climate where the New Zealand public want the expectations that have been created to be fulfilled, and it\u2019s in these areas that this Government is so lacking.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EWe had a Budget that actually delivered very little, almost nothing, for middle New Zealand, almost nothing for hard-working taxpaying New Zealanders who go to work every day, who slave away in their own businesses, investing their own capital, and who put together the wheels and the cogs of this economy. In fact, everything that this Government has done has actually slowed down and been a handbrake on growth in our economy. Even though this is a Government that doesn\u2019t care much for the economy, actually it\u2019s the economy that produces jobs, it produces wealth, and it produces the income necessary to provide taxation for Government spending.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EI am reminded, while we\u2019re just thinking about things historic, that actually it was Margaret Thatcher who said that the real problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people\u2019s money\u2014sooner or later socialists run out of other people\u2019s money. We\u2019ve got a socialist Government in power now. In fact, they\u2019re more socialist than most of us have seen in our lifetimes. They like to borrow, they like to spend, and they like to tax. There are seven new taxes this Government has introduced\u2014seven new taxes that this Government has introduced\u2014and much of it to be spent on profligate spending. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EI wouldn\u2019t mind so much if the spending was well targeted, if the spending was well measured, if the spending was responsible spending, if the spending was about getting better results and making the lives of New Zealanders better, because surely that\u2019s the objective of Government. But no. We have a Government mired in theory, mired in socialist doctrine, complicated ideologies made up from the various component parts of the coalition Government, and the net result of all that is a quagmire of inaction and non-delivery, because the competing personalities and political ideological positions of the coalition Government mean that one small party can actually veto pretty much everything else, and they do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EI want to spend just a quick minute talking about non-delivery in the environment, because if ever there was an area where huge expectations were created during the last election campaign and no delivery has occurred, it\u2019s in the area of environment. So there is still silence about so much\u2014an announcement of $229 million, some detail of which we\u2019ve heard today, but no real precise action\u2014about land transformation. Farmers are seeing that and hearing that and they\u2019re interpreting that as a myriad of clipboard-wielding officials coming around and visiting farms and telling farmers how to farm, what to do on their properties, and that\u2019s a real problem for them. Farmers are worried about that kind of thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EThen we\u2019ve got the Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill. In the Speech from the Throne there was a promise that there would be binding targets\u2014binding targets\u2014yet again, a promise not delivered. And we find in the bill that has been presented by the climate change Minister, the Hon James Shaw\u2014guess what? No binding targets at all. In fact, the name on the bill doesn\u2019t even represent what the bill does. It\u2019s actually not a zero carbon bill at all. It is not a zero carbon bill at all; it\u2019s actually a bill that is designed to set up the framework and the establishment of the climate change commission. Actually, the bill should really be called the \u201CClimate Change Commission Establishment Bill\u201D rather than anything else.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EThen we have a whole range of other things. Where were the promises and the delivery of promises on more alternative power? Where were the benefits or incentives for the installation of solar power? The Greens lost that one. What happened to all that stuff around electric vehicles? I bought myself an electric vehicle last year. I haven\u2019t bought petrol since before Christmas. It\u2019s a very great feeling, but there are thousands of people who want to buy electric vehicles\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c8756533797467a82eadf6da734590d\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right\u2014how good.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224d4d737adf8f4b6a8c2da28c666d6d63\u0022\u003EHon SCOTT SIMPSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014Chris Bishop\u2019s got one, Nick Smith\u2019s got one, and Amy Adams; a lot of us on this side, we like them\u2014and where were the promised incentives? Where was the delivery on that kind of stuff? There were none. A failure to deliver on promises. A failure to deliver on promises is what this has meant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EBut there was something in the Budget and it was taxation for the good people of Coromandel, because many of them still do drive petrol vehicles. There\u2019s no public transport in the Coromandel, so that extra petrol tax that\u2019s being levied on the hard-working people of the Coromandel will actually be going to fund pet public transport projects, slow trams along Dominion Road, a train from Auckland CBD to the airport, we think\u2014if it gets delivered, that promise. So people in my beautiful electorate are going to be paying for the theory, for the rhetoric, and for the academic insightfulness of a Government that thinks it knows best but actually doesn\u2019t. A failure to deliver on promises will see this Government out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022 data-id=\u0022f6c3d56c812343a2ba05bedb0aafcee0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f6c3d56c812343a2ba05bedb0aafcee0\u0022\u003EKIERAN McANULTY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m starting to understand why the National Party are polling in the 30s, because no one likes a whinger\u2014no one likes to hang around with people that drone on and whinge, and that\u2019s what we\u2019ve just heard all day and ever since the Wellbeing Budget. In fact, we heard a fair bit of whinging leading up to the Budget, because what they were bemoaning then was that we should have delivered the tax cuts. Do you remember that? The tax cuts that they promised New Zealand if they were elected? New Zealand rejected that idea and they\u2019ve whinged about it ever since. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003EThen they stopped whinging about the tax cuts because they saw that New Zealanders liked a Government that delivered a Budget that looked and focused on the wellbeings of New Zealanders, delivering for New Zealanders, and they thought, \u201CShivers! Actually, we can\u2019t promise tax cuts and then promise to do what they\u2019re doing and in fact criticise the Government for not doing enough. So we\u2019re just going to forget about the tax cuts and then just pretend that New Zealanders are dumb and they\u2019re not going to remember the tax cuts, and then what we\u2019re going to do is complain that this Government is not delivering enough.\u201D That\u2019s what they\u2019re doing. They decided, \u201CNah, that\u2019s it. These guys aren\u2019t delivering enough.\u201D, even though this Wellbeing Budget is world leading, even though the IMF and the World Bank and many other overseas organisations are saying to Grant Robertson, the Minister of Finance, \u201CThat is a good idea. We would like to emulate what you\u2019re doing, because this is world changing. This is going to deliver for people where it matters.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003EBut the National Party just can\u2019t handle that. They have to whinge. They have to say that it is not enough, despite that $1.9 billion has delivered for mental health\u2014not enough. Despite the fact that $1.2 billion has delivered for improving our school infrastructure\u2014not enough. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003EI would put it to the House that the National Party members haven\u2019t even read most of the Budget, because we wasted time in select committee today, in a public hearing\u2014wasted time\u2014when the education spokesperson for the National Party was complaining that it was $1.2 billion over 10 years. Her very embarrassed colleagues corrected her to say that it was over four years, and then she had no more questions because she realised that it was the biggest injection of revenue into the education sector to do up the schools\u2014whinging when they don\u2019t have any basis to whinge about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003EThen, just take Scott Simpson, the last speaker, for example. What a rambling mess that speech was. He was talking about the 1970s, going on about Prime Ministers of the past and finance Ministers of the past\u2014who are screaming out for relevancy now\u2014and talking about how this Government reminds them of the 1970s and reminds them of this and reminds them of that. Then he criticised our coalition partners in New Zealand First and the Greens, and then he bemoaned MMP\u2014that it allows small parties to get some concessions in Government policy. This is despite the fact that before this Government was formed, they were crawling to New Zealand First and the Greens, saying, \u201CLook, come with us. We want to form the Government.\u201D, and now that they didn\u2019t, they\u2019re packing a sad and they\u2019re having a whinge. This just sums up this Opposition. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003EWhat they are not reflecting is the views that I\u2019ve heard right around the country. In the last week, I\u2019ve been to places like H\u0101wera and Stratford and Whanganui and Waipawa and Pah\u012Batua and Dannevirke and Hamilton. All of those places are in National-held seats\u2014for now\u2014and so I went out there and I thought I\u2019d talk about the Budget, and do you know what? I went there and I thought, \u201CThese are National-held seats. They will be emulating and copying what the National Party are saying, surely.\u201D Not a chance\u2014not a chance. They were happy that, finally, there was a Government that was delivering for New Zealanders in terms of mental health and, finally, there was a Government that was willing to put aside the old ways and focus on the new and deliver in things like education and health. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003EThey told me that whilst they may have voted National in the past, they are sick of the whinging, and they are sick of the internal, inward-looking approach of the National Party that was on display today in question time and during Judith Collins\u2019 contribution. It was like Moses parting the Red Sea. When Judith Collins stands up, MPs duck for cover over to this side of the House. They didn\u2019t want to be part of it, and then those ones that thought \u201CRight. Well, this is the horse that I want to back.\u201D, they just crowded around. I\u2019ve seen it plenty of times before, and that\u2019s what they were trying to do. The likes of Mark Mitchell and Michael Woodhouse thought, \u201CI\u2019m going to sit next to this. This is the horse I want to back.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003EWell, I tell you what, they must be gutted. They must be gutted because at 6 o\u2019clock on Sunday night, they were watching Newshub and they saw a poll, and they thought, \u201CRight, here\u2019s our moment.\u201D Then they flipped over to TVNZ and they thought, \u201CBlast! My moment\u2019s gone. I thought we had an opportunity to roll Simon, and now Simon is saved.\u201D And do you know what, Madam Deputy Speaker, for a long, long\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d63b2e7837942fda0fdd9974103b2a0\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I do know that it is a broad debate, but, you know, there is a time when you do have to bring it back to the Budget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221269480584204bca8e1740a58f1c2dc2\u0022\u003EKIERAN McANULTY\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right\u2014dead right. So, anyway, I reckon these polls reflect the nation\u2019s attitude\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217bd656393cd45de86da35b8af41fe47\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Please. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4100e68319b47c7a2020c94b0530fda\u0022\u003EKIERAN McANULTY\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014towards the National Party\u2019s poor contribution to this Budget debate. That\u2019s what I think. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222dbf3d943ef84f25ade1436059457ca2\u0022\u003EWillow-Jean Prime\u003C/span\u003E: And it was after the Budget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b9d64fcc7374651a48432f7ffb879f2\u0022\u003EKIERAN McANULTY\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely\u2014after the Budget. So, anyway, what we see in this Budget\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002290f2b4be94bc4f57ac4e91f7da84a5e9\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Hooray! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002259021ead0cb6452e831388cf53e9cc42\u0022\u003EKIERAN McANULTY\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right\u2014that\u2019s right. That is the most noise that that side of the House has made all night, even though Judith Collins tried to get\u2014not even one clap after her speech. Judith Collins\u2019 contribution to this particular debate about this Budget\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d9a8a5679dd4ad3b0a0d859015208c4\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And, actually, just saying the word \u201CBudget\u201D isn\u2019t enough\u2014good try. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201636578006a449fbaa646d0964a9587\u0022\u003EKIERAN McANULTY\u003C/span\u003E: Righto. You are dead right, Madam Deputy Speaker, it is called the Wellbeing Budget\u2014thank you very much. The Wellbeing Budget is delivering not only for education and health, like I mentioned, but it is not even that revolutionary, in the sense that it is focusing on GDP. This is what that side of the House want to make it sound like\u2014that we have absolutely moved aside from the fundamentals of delivering to this nation\u2014but it hasn\u2019t. What they are saying is that this Wellbeing Budget is moving away from responsible delivery for this country, and it isn\u2019t. The Government\u2019s books remain in good shape because the Welllbeing Budget focuses on delivering a strong economy so that that economy can deliver for the wellbeing of this nation. It delivers a sustainable surplus and strong GDP growth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003EWhat have we heard from the other side about GDP growth? Nothing but whinging\u2014whinging. Whinging that it should be higher\u2014everything should be higher, if you listen to the National Party, including their polling. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003EBut what we see is that the Budget Economic and Fiscal Update shows that the Government\u2019s books remain in good shape. Net core Crown debt as a percentage of GDP is forecast to be under 20 percent by 2021-22\u2014exactly what this Government said was going to happen when we were elected. We have delivered, yet again, a strong surplus, and we will continue to do so. It is projected to be $6.1 billion by 2022-23\u2014that is exactly what this Government said we would do and exactly what the people want this Government to do. They know that we need to focus on the economy to deliver to people, and they also want to see delivery. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003EThey want to see things like the venture capitalist fund, because they know, right across the country\u2014particularly in small areas like those I visited last week, where we got a tremendous reception\u2014that small companies get to a point and the investment stops. If they got to a certain point beyond that, then the investment kicks in again. There is a gap. That is why this Budget delivers investment for these start-up companies, because this Government knows that this particular aspect of the Wellbeing Budget is going to deliver for these companies\u2014companies that are investing in themselves, investing in the regions that they exist in, wanting to employ people, and wanting to give back to this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003ENow, what this feedback is is a rejection of that side\u2019s economic policy and that side\u2019s belief in the market-driven trickle-down effect, because if the market was delivering, these start-up companies would not require the Government to kick in. We\u2019re quite happy to do so. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003EThat side, at the moment, are unhappy. Next week, they\u2019ll probably say that it\u2019s not enough, because that\u2019s the trend that we\u2019ve seen so far. They are saying one thing one week, and one thing another week. They don\u2019t know what they\u2019re thinking because they don\u2019t know who they\u2019re following, yet here we are. We can ignore all that, because everyone else is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003EWe can focus on what we want to do for rural New Zealand, for middle New Zealand, for those hard-working Kiwis at the bottom, and for those that just want to get out and start their own business. This Wellbeing Budget is looking after the basics, looking after people\u2019s wellbeing, looking after their mental health, making sure that the education sector is well funded, making sure that infrastructure like rail and rural roads is funded, and making sure that the basics are looked after. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003EI\u2019m not going to sit here and whinge like the National Party. I\u2019m not going to complain and talk about the old days and try and spend my energy on deciding who to follow. I am very proud to stand here as a member of this Government and say well done to the leaders in this Government\u2014Jacinda Ardern, Grant Robertson, Winston Peters, Marama Davidson, and James Shaw\u2014for delivering, as leaders in this Government, a wellbeing Budget that will be the start of something special in this country. I believe it\u2019s something that we can all be very, very proud of. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022 data-id=\u0022742fc31042f54456923f0582ccf4afea\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022742fc31042f54456923f0582ccf4afea\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Of that effort, I have to acknowledge Kieran McAnulty. Mr McAnulty, I\u2019d like an appointment with you to take lessons on how one does speak for 10 minutes and say absolutely nothing, because after the last 10 minutes, I have no idea what that member actually said in terms of the Budget. The only thing was that he started off saying that no one likes a whinger, and, basically, he proceeded to whinge. He whinged. I mean, he started off his speech by saying that no one likes a whinger and that the National Party was whinging, and he whinged for 10 minutes and he talked about the National Party. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EThis is their second Budget. This is supposed to be the Wellbeing Budget of the Labour Government in their second year, delivering for the people of New Zealand. They\u2019re supposed to be very proud of the Budget that is delivering for people, regardless of the fact that they actually referred to moon feelings when they\u2019re deciding on how they\u2019re going to divvy up the money in the Budget, or the locus of control to figure out how they\u2019re going to deliver for the people, and yet that member could not actually talk about the Budget that he is proud of. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EI have to say that this Labour Government is absolutely failing New Zealand. They are failing to deliver for New Zealanders and they are failing to deliver on their promises. In my particular portfolio, I like to, sort of, talk about how this Budget of 2019 has basically confirmed that RNZ\u002B is now dead in the water. There is no money for public broadcasting; basically, because they\u2019ve not delivered. They promised that they were going to deliver $38 million per year for the next four years while they\u2019re in Government\u2014they said they were going to deliver $38 million\u2014they actually delivered $15 million last year. And guess what? This year there is not money for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EThere is not even money for something that they\u2019ve announced three days before the Budget. Three days before the Budget, the Minister actually announced that there will be a local democracy reporter pilot. I support that move, because that is an opportunity for people to report about what is happening in our local government, our funded agencies, and it is actually an opportunity for more reporters to be hired to write stories\u2014real local democracy - type stories, which are really important in the public media sector. So that was very, very welcome. They were going to spend, I guess, about a million dollars for the pilot, and they were going to employ\u2014I can\u2019t remember exactly how many\u2014reporters. But this is actually an example that they\u2019ve taken out from the British model, where in the UK, the BBC has started the Local Democracy Reporting Scheme ,where they now have in excess of 150 reporters reporting on that. But that announcement, three days before the Budget, which made all of us think that it was the new Budget announcement, was not in fact this year\u2019s Budget announcement; it is actually a hangover from the Budget of the previous year, where they haven\u2019t actually spent the money. They gave extra money to New Zealand On Air and Radio New Zealand, and it was a one-off $6 million fund. It was an innovation fund that they gave to public media, but three days before the Budget they hadn\u2019t spent the money, so they decided to make the announcement as if it is new money; it certainly is not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EThere is also that whole manifesto. I mean, you know, this Government came into power with the proviso that they were going to be the most open and transparent Government of all time. As we saw in the actions that the Ministers have taken in not disclosing meetings, for example\u2014and I\u2019ve actually exposed at least one of those\u2014the fact that they were going to employ a Chief Technology Officer, which is also dead in the water, because that has not happened. Imagine if they had, in fact, employed a Chief Technology Officer. I wonder what that person\u2014he or she\u2014would have advised the Government in relation to the supposed hack that this Government claims happened when people went searching\u2014like doing a google search, going to Treasury\u2019s website and hitting on the search bar \u201CBudget 2019\u201D and finding the freely available information that we were able to get.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022979bd140b4b14375b83cab12400420a3\u0022\u003ESimeon Brown\u003C/span\u003E: The only time they\u2019ve been open and transparent. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b1104032ce6b4a1cb9a71e203f92d589\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right. It was a lolly scramble, free for everybody to access for free\u2014lolly scramble. The only time that this Government has actually been open and transparent; now they\u2019re calling it a criminal hack, which is rather embarrassing\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a165ca0babb94313a23245b770e77996\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: Outrageous!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243812e35cd4d4e3ba7cb7db9f01c3f5c\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014rather outrageous. And whatever happened to the Digital Economy and Digital Inclusion Ministerial Advisory Group (DEDIMAG), ministerial advisory boards that the Government has spent millions of dollars on\u2014the Public Media Advisory Board? There\u2019s no money in this Budget for them to continue\u2014I think their term comes to an end at the end of this month\u2014and they\u2019re supposed to advise the Minister and this Government on what to do about public media. DEDIMAG\u2014I think they actually finished last month, so where are they? I mean, their minutes were never publicly available; they never even recorded the minutes. What about, you know, a public media group? I mean, in terms of the funding commission that they were actually going to create, whatever happened to that plan? This Budget does not provide a single cent towards the plan that the Labour Party and the Government set out and actually said out loud, very proudly, that they were the champions of public media and they were going to provide $38 million a year\u2014and this Government has not actually delivered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EThere are a couple of other things that Mr McAnulty said which I just want to take issue with. He said that we took issue with the small concession in terms of what the coalition partners got. Small concession is not billions and billions of dollars to actually plant trees or to actually place a roundabout in Shane Jones\u2019 electorate, around his house\u2014you know, billions of dollars that has actually delivered nothing. It\u2019s supposed to grow economic development for the regions, and hasn\u2019t really delivered. The last count I had was that it did not even produce a hundred new jobs, in terms of the money that Shane Jones has spent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EI have to say the KiwiBuild saga is also an absolute disaster as well. When this Government comes in and says this is what they\u2019re going to do, and when you have KiwiBuild\u2014their main policy area, the big chunk that they were going to make a difference in this country, as opposed to the National Government\u2014this was their flagship portfolio. This was their flagship policy that they were going to deliver for New Zealanders. We know for a fact that it\u2019s an absolute diabolical failure. The Minister\u2019s a joke and he hasn\u2019t actually delivered, and he\u2019s spending good money after another, not delivering for people. When I have constituents who ring me up and say they\u2019ve been homeless for the last 87 days and Oranga Tamariki and Housing New Zealand and Work and Income haven\u2019t come to their aid, I get really angry. Although I\u2019m not an electorate MP, I am a list MP who actually cares about the constituents, and I am championing their causes. No doubt the Ministers will hear about these issues soon as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EBut, you know, in terms of what they\u2019re not delivering for New Zealanders, I mean, whatever happened to the cheaper doctors visits? We were going to pay $10 in doctors visits. What about the lifesaving medicines that we were all going to get? I just got an email recently about a woman who is desperate because her child\u2019s\u2014her four year-old daughter\u2019s\u2014epilepsy medicine is going to be changed by Pharmac against Medsafe advice, and she is absolutely frightened that her child is going to go through seizure after seizure; she is actually desperate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EThis is the so-called caring Government that is apparently delivering the Wellbeing Budget. I say to the members opposite that they should hang their heads in shame because they certainly haven\u2019t looked at the wellbeing of New Zealanders. They are not growing the economy, they are not providing the jobs that people need; instead, they\u2019re providing 13,000 extra people on the dole queue, on the benefit. People are worse off. More people are actually homeless, more people are living in caravan parks. I think the members opposite should be ashamed of themselves.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u002274a67c63e6b744328baf1de7737a0dd9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002274a67c63e6b744328baf1de7737a0dd9\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister of Revenue):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It\u2019s an absolute pleasure to be part of a Government with a vision\u2014with a vision for New Zealand out into the future. When that member Melissa Lee talks about \u201CWhatever happened to doctors visits?\u201D, well, I can inform the member that doctors visits are now free for everyone 14 years old and under. For 600,000 more Kiwis, it is between $20 and $30 cheaper\u2014that is what happens to doctors visits, because we care about Kiwis. We understand if you fund the health system in a way that keeps people healthy, you keep people out of hospital. This is a Government that is concentrating on the health and wellbeing of all our communities. It\u2019s absolutely fantastic. The initiatives that are coming through, they\u2019re not about one year, they\u2019re not about two years; they\u2019re generational\u2014generational change. That\u2019s what Government is about\u2014it\u2019s what this Government is about, anyway.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EI hold four rather diverse portfolios, and I\u2019d like to talk a little bit about what this Budget means for my portfolios and the key stakeholders. First of all, let\u2019s look at the Inland Revenue Department. The Inland Revenue Department is in the process of implementing the largest systems change, the largest transformation in the history of the State sector: $1.8 billion on business transformation over a five-year project.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003ERelease three was rolled out in April this year, and since that time, at the end of April, a quarter of a billion\u2014$250 million\u2014in refunds have been paid to Kiwis without them having to apply for it. This is this Government returning Kiwis\u2019 money back to them. That is absolutely fantastic, and there\u2019s a whole lot more to come. The release next year is release four, and the following year is release five, and at that stage we will have a transformational inland revenue system that is here to help. It is making a real difference in terms of pay-day filing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EThe level of information that the Inland Revenue Department (IRD) now has means that when people are paying too much tax, they can actually get a call from IRD\u2014or their employer gets a call\u2014saying, \u201CHey, you\u2019re paying too much tax. How about we go on this tailored tax code?\u201D, and you pay the right amount at that point in time. They don\u2019t have to wait until the end of the year or they don\u2019t have to use a tax agent to actually get their money back. It\u2019s about putting money back into the back pockets\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e1a6b8be8bcf4826979f7758c0253196\u0022\u003EAlastair Scott\u003C/span\u003E: A great National Party initiative\u2014great National Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fb1fbd0899ca4920b1cd2aaa31c9ab32\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014of good, hard-working Kiwis. It is absolutely fantastic, Alastair Scott, and the people of Wairarapa will be very, very happy about it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003ENow, let\u2019s talk about police. Let\u2019s talk about the number of police that we\u2019re rolling out around the country. But before I do, I want to just reiterate this $1.9 billion into mental health. The reason I\u2019m talking about this in the same breath as police is because the police service sees the front end of this every single day. They are dealing with the suicides, the attempted suicides, and the mental health cases because there\u2019s nowhere else for these people to go, because the system is so run down that the first people that are called are the New Zealand Police service. That is wrong. This is going to make a huge difference to the way that the police operate in this country, and it\u2019s fantastic to see. I congratulate Dr Clark and the Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance for that $1.9 billion investment in mental health. But in police services themselves, there\u2019s an extra $260 million\u2014an extra $260 million. Fantastic.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003ENow, let me talk about some of the initiatives. We are going to get rid of the most dangerous guns that are designed, primarily, to kill people. You don\u2019t need an AR-15 and you don\u2019t need an AK-47 if you want to pot a deer, shoot a duck, go after a rabbit\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229227d6d6142d493bb7b29259bfe4d474\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: A billion bucks later.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea96f5aef1134aacabb33248460877cc\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014or hunt. You don\u2019t\u2014a billion dollars later? We\u2019re going to take these guns out of our community.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EI spoke to a guy called Simon Mount QC. Now, Simon Mount QC worked with Justice Thorp on the Thorp report in 1997. What the Thorp report did was it made a whole lot of recommendations that are very, very similar to the recommendations that we\u2019re looking at at the moment. Simon Mount QC said that if these recommendations had been implemented back when we made them, in 1997, he very much doubts that we would\u2019ve had 51 dead on 15 March. This is going to be transformational, and we are going to take these guns out of our community because they are not necessary, they are not needed, and we heard that from a whole range of stakeholders. There\u2019s $150 million in the Budget for that. The finance Minister has said if we need any more money for that, then we will find it, but we think that\u2019s probably enough money to do it\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e24541292fc14f01aea0378a423a903c\u0022\u003ESimeon Brown\u003C/span\u003E: Probably enough?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd4078a012b647bca178c7cc87832a52\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and it\u2019s vitally important that we do. You don\u2019t agree with this, Simeon Brown? You think we should leave these guns in our community? Well, you\u2019re an outlier\u2014I can tell you that. You\u2019re an outlier, because the vast majority of people do support it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222fafbd8382e746f883d4a0edb92852ec\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! Don\u2019t bring me into it, thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5398f7b3043464aac2748fc9c6426c2\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, Madam Deputy Speaker. That member is an outlier, because the vast majority of Kiwis think we don\u2019t need these guns that are designed, primarily, to kill people. It\u2019s a great initiative.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s also $45 million to tackle family and sexual violence. This is the nation\u2019s shame. We have rates that are one of the highest in the OECD, and we need to do something about it. We absolutely need to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc008c717f5344a59fdfee41617564c4\u0022\u003EAngie Warren-Clark\u003C/span\u003E: We do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224846a3097c7547c3bf159f2a6fda1641\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: You know what I\u2019m talking about when it comes to this. Again, the police are at the front end of this. Every single day, they are attending family violence callouts, and it is just wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EWhat police do is a whole lot of proactive stuff. It\u2019s about preventing family violence. It\u2019s about getting there before it starts. It\u2019s about putting processes in place to ensure that when there\u2019s a fuse that\u2019s about to be lit, the men and women who are perpetrators understand that there are other options. This stuff has been trialled and it is working. It is working, and it\u2019s important that we roll this out even further.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EWhat else are we doing? Well, we\u2019re on target to train an extra 900 men and women into our police service in the next financial year. Now, that is fantastic. This year, we had a record 856 officers enter into our police service. I know that, as a former Minister of Police\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221148d733e67b4d168651e20bb57438ed\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: In the communities that need them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294a78c83e3fa4d79ae802ef89eaa822b\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014you\u2019ll understand how important that is. As you say, Mr Henare, into the communities that need them. Policing is about perception, and when you have police embedded in the community, working really hard with key stakeholders, preventing crime but also going after the bad guys, then people feel safe. We broke a record set in 1996-97 when there were 680. We did 856. We\u2019re going to do 900 next year. This is meeting a promise: we said 1,800 more police. It is making a real difference to our communities, and I\u2019m incredibly proud, and it\u2019s a real privilege to be the Minister of Police at such a time when we\u2019re making a really big difference.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003ELet me tell you a story\u2014and Madam Deputy Speaker, you\u2019ll know the gentleman I\u2019m talking about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4750026c0b5472aaabaab445b11adc8\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Don\u2019t bring me into it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2565a869a394446942134d9086265bf\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: The Mayor of Napier is a bit of an insomniac at times, and he has this radio beside his bed. Every now and again, I\u2019ll get a call from the mayor saying, \u201CDo you know what your police were up to last night? I heard on the radio scanner they\u2019re doing this, that, and everything else.\u201D What I\u2019m saying is the integrity of the police communication system across a lot of New Zealand is such that it is just not secure. We need to invest money to get a secure communication system, and we\u2019re doing that. It should\u2019ve been done a while ago, but we\u2019re investing in it now. So that\u2019s going to be fantastic.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EIn fisheries, the Prime Minister and I stood on the wharf down in Auckland on Friday and launched stage one of cameras on boats. Now, this is really cool. This is really fantastic. This is not just about compliance, even though compliance is a part of it; this is also about enhancing and building our global brand. This is about when people are overseas, at the ultra-premium end of the market, and they\u2019re buying New Zealand seafood, they will know that that seafood has come from the only fully sustainably managed ocean in the world. This is transformational, and the work that we are doing really is going to make a big difference, and it\u2019s an exciting time to be the Minister of Fisheries\u2014of that there\u2019s no doubt.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003ESmall business\u2014well, where do I start there? There\u2019s a whole lot of stuff in the small business space. We\u2019re cutting compliance costs. We have Business Connect\u2014we\u2019ve got money in this Budget for Business Connect. Now, that is going to make a real difference to businesses that interact with local and central government. It\u2019s going to drive efficiency. It\u2019s going to free up more time for business owners to grow their business if that\u2019s what they want to do, or just spend more time with their families and friends if that\u2019s what they want to do. But what we are about in this Government is driving efficiency in a way that makes a real difference but also is a lot more profitable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EThis Wellbeing Budget is about changing the communities we serve. This Wellbeing Budget is about putting more police into our communities. It\u2019s about looking after the mental health and wellbeing of our communities. It\u2019s about those who are struggling day to day not having to pay school donations. When you get international observers, who have no buy-in to what we\u2019re doing here\u2014they\u2019re not conflicted in any way, shape, or form\u2014coming out and saying this is a blueprint for the way\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d4554a0f3af54021a91a70684dbb2f30\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Branson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e96acc8e447245058c8256e45f604b26\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014the world should do things, or Richard Branson, for goodness\u2019 sake\u2014you would hardly call him a Labour man\u2014coming out and saying it\u2019s a blueprint, we know we\u2019re on the right track. But not only are the international pundits talking about this as transformational, as evolutionary, as revolutionary, the thing that I really care about and the reason that I\u2019m so proud about being in this Government is that this Budget is actually going to make a difference to the men and women in our communities, those who every day go to work, who have got kids, who are putting food on the table and petrol in the car, and who are looking for work\u2014because there are 70,000 more Kiwis in work than there was. This is a fantastic Budget and I\u2019m very proud to be part of the Government that\u2019s delivered it. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022 data-id=\u002283229fc029d44e5096125006b6bfa514\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002283229fc029d44e5096125006b6bfa514\u0022\u003EERICA STANFORD (National\u2014East Coast Bays):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Boy, I was sitting here, I have to say, and wondering if the Minister of Fisheries was going to get to cameras on fishing boats, because, frankly, I thought to myself that if I was him, I probably wouldn\u2019t mention it. It\u2019s not such a good thing, given that he\u2019s been completely slammed by all of their mates\u2014people like Forest \u0026amp; Bird, who have called this an utter abomination. In fact, it\u2019s a massive back-down, because, in fact, out of 1,000 boats in our commercial fishing fleet, they\u2019ve put cameras on 28. That\u2019s 2.8 percent, my colleague Mr Todd Muller tells me\u2014he\u2019s very good at math. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003EBut let me tell this House something else about those 28 boats: they already have observers from the Ministry for Primary Industries on all of them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e76d679dd1ab4ef790315bfee900a284\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: No, they don\u2019t. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225144c9f96a8148d39d1ea9f933ccd1ff\u0022\u003EERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, they do\u2014yes, they do. They already have observers on those boats. So here we have a Minister trumpeting his Government as being transformational with 28 boats having cameras, out of a fleet of 1,000 who already have observers on them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003EThis is actually a massive failure. It\u2019s not transformational at all. The reason, if anyone is wondering\u2014I\u2019m sure everyone knows, but for the people out there in \u201CVoter Land\u201D\u2014why they\u2019re not rolling it out as promised across our fishing fleet, it\u2019s three words: New Zealand First. New Zealand First don\u2019t like this because they have ties to the fishing industry. The ironic thing in all of this\u2014the ironic thing; the thing I find the funniest\u2014is that the Hon Shane Jones, prior to being in this Parliament, spent a good three years travelling around as our roving ambassador of the Pacific and his job was to look after the fisheries. What did he do while he was appointed in that role? He put cameras on fishing boats. That\u2019s what he did, and he comes here to this Parliament and his party puts the brakes on and stops cameras on fishing boats across our fleet because of the ties that they have to the fishing industry. That is, frankly, appalling. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003EFor Minister Nash to get up here today and tell us how transformational it is to put cameras on 2.8 percent of our fishing fleet is, frankly, appalling and a massive joke. I can\u2019t believe that he even mentioned it. If I was him, I would be hanging my head in shame because their mates\u2014people like Forest \u0026amp; Bird; people like Kevin Hague\u2014are now coming out and calling this a major back-down and saying that they\u2019re frankly appalled by it themselves. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003EThis Budget has been specifically designed to embrace New Zealand in this cloak of warm, fuzzy, buzz, \u201Cmake you feel good\u201D rhetoric. Much like the cover of the Budget was wrapped with those two people with the happy smiling faces\u2014nothing to see here\u2014we all know how that ended up. This Government\u2019s inability to grow our economy and their increasing of costs drove those people overseas to Australia where, in fact, actually, they would be happier because the opportunities aren\u2019t here any more. The simple fact is that the reason these guys don\u2019t want to talk about GDP or productivity or the economy, and they\u2019d rather talk about something else that they\u2019ve rebranded wellbeing, is because they know very well that whenever they talk about the economy, their vote drops because New Zealanders don\u2019t trust them with the economy. In this country, when they hear the words \u201CLabour\u201D and \u201Cthe economy\u201D, they turn off. They turn away because they don\u2019t trust them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003ESo in this clever move to avoid ever talking about the economy or GDP or things that actually matter, they\u2019ve concentrated on this other thing that they\u2019ve rebranded as wellbeing which, funnily enough, ties really well into the thing that they\u2019re actually quite good at: spending New Zealanders money in a willy-nilly fashion with no accountability. They\u2019re terrible at growing the economy but very, very good at dishing out the fruits of New Zealanders\u2019 labour. It\u2019s all this massive rebranding exercise to trick and divert our attention. It\u2019s that sleight of hand\u2014\u201CDon\u2019t look at that thing over here that really matters. Look at this shiny new thing over here that we\u2019re going to call wellbeing.\u201D\u2014this new buzzword that\u2019s pretty much what every Government in the history of this country has done to appropriate money for the wellbeing of New Zealanders. The issue for this Government now is that this thin veneer of fluff and rhetoric is wearing off. Their promises that they trumpeted are starting to not be delivered on and we\u2019re piling up with them in this so-called year of delivery. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003EOne of their biggest areas that I\u2019d like to focus my contribution on today is the environment. I\u2019m going to talk about water in particular, but I do just want to start with the Greens\u2019 investment fund, because whatever happened to that? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d66f5d48459c4f6a801e663ba45f89f2\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s in my speech. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d7a3bd009e1413d86f401c371785224\u0022\u003EERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, I\u2019m stealing Mr Todd Muller\u2019s thunder. I\u2019ll just mention it very briefly because it was heralded and trumpeted as this wonderful thing that the Green Party won in the coalition negotiations, and then there was silence. In fact, I was in, very recently, a meeting in my electorate with a company who had applied for the fund quite recently and were told that it wasn\u2019t ready to be dished out yet because they were still working on it. We are 20 months into this Government, 20 months into this greenest Government ever, and the Green Party\u2019s big win, the Green Investment Fund, still ain\u2019t ready. How embarrassing for this greenest Government ever. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003EBut one of the biggest things\u2014and Labour trumpeted this in the election\u2014and one of their most important promises to the country was that they were going to make rivers swimmable in a generation. In fact, water was their No. 1 environmental issue. There are two main things when it comes to water: Labour\u2019s failure to deliver on their promise of swimmable rivers in a generation, and the second thing, can I say, is massive uncertainty. For a Government that made this the No. 1 environmental policy at the election, and they campaigned on this day after day\u2014\u201CWe\u2019re going to clean up our rivers in a generation\u201D\u2014in August this year it will be 23 months since they were elected, and what have they done? Why has this taken them so long? I say \u201CAugust\u201D because that is apparently when we\u2019re going to see the first national policy statement on water, perhaps. Maybe it\u2019s the working groups that they\u2019ve had that have tied them up for so long. They\u2019ve got a council working group, a scientists working group, a freshwater working group, and an iwi working group. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003EOn The Nation\u2014if anyone watched The Nation on the weekend\u2014the Hon Minister Parker described the issue as extremely complex and very difficult, and not very simple. Well, go figure! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003EIn Opposition, on the campaign trail, it was easy: \u201CWe\u2019re going to clean it up in a generation. Nothing to see here, it\u2019s all very easy, in fact.\u201D When they\u2019re in Government, well, it\u2019s all a lot more difficult and they fill the air with fluffy rhetoric. It\u2019s all very nice and well to say \u201CClean it up in a generation.\u201D, but, in fact, it is very difficult. In two years of Government so far, what they have done is absolutely nothing for fresh water\u2014nothing at all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003ELet me remind this House of what we did when we were in Government: we set up the Land and Water Forum, we measured waterways around the country, we set limits, and the biggest thing, the most important thing was that we\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc0962220e3f432f99272accbf4a983e\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: And it got worse. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d433fbba42a49fc9bdcc5a86dfa3b1b\u0022\u003EERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: In fact, more waterways in this country showed improvement than decline for the first time. The Labour Government, prior to us, only invested $300 million, sorry, $30 million\u2014not even $300; $30 million. That\u2019s all they invested. We invested $400 million into cleaning up our waterways. Let me tell this House what we can gather, so far, that Mr Parker has put in this Budget into cleaning up some waterways, that he\u2019s unable to identify as of yet because he\u2019s not quite sure where they are after 20 months: $12 million. Now, it\u2019s a huge difference to go from $400 million in cleaning up our waterways to a measly $12 million. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003EBut the biggest thing I want to talk about in my remaining two minutes is the uncertainty that we face around this Budget, because there is a sustainable land use package that has got no detail around it. Now, members will be aware of Minister Parker\u2019s comments at the last election, when he was in Ashburton talking to farmers. Basically, it was a thinly veiled threat, where he said, \u201CWell, if you don\u2019t get on board, I\u2019ll double the price of water from 1c to 2c.\u201D So, given the lack of detail in this Budget around the sustainable land use package, all I can suspect that this big pot of money is is another tool for him to get at farmers to say, \u201CWell, I\u2019ve got this money and if you don\u2019t get on board with me, well, maybe you won\u2019t get any of it.\u201D There\u2019s very little detail, and given his past issues with farmers, I can only guess that that\u2019s what this is here to do. I\u2019m very suspicious of this fund, given that there is no detail around it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003EFarmers are gathering today at the Fieldays. It\u2019s our biggest agricultural trade show. All they have is uncertainty from this Government and this Budget. They don\u2019t know if they\u2019re going to be in the emissions trading scheme, they\u2019ve got no idea about whether or not they\u2019ll be charged for water or how much, and they\u2019ve got no idea about the climate change bill and how that will affect them. Now, we have got Minister Parker telling us that we won\u2019t even perhaps see a national policy statement on water until August\u2014almost two years into their term. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003EMassive uncertainty for our farming and rural sector, who are producing some of the finest products in the world at very low emissions\u2014some of the best in the world, in fact\u2014and yet here we are, with more and more uncertainty on them. We wonder why our economy has gone from 4 percent to 2 percent growth, and it\u2019s because sectors like this have absolutely no certainty. They\u2019re not hiring, they\u2019re not investing, and they\u2019re not growing. This Government is failing to deliver on its promises. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022c6cf8ee265224628a4932fe37bf09b03\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c6cf8ee265224628a4932fe37bf09b03\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Now, I understand this is a split call. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022 data-id=\u0022dee77a36be7e4e788fa83cadf8576a50\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dee77a36be7e4e788fa83cadf8576a50\u0022\u003EANAHILA KANONGATA\u2019A-SUISUIKI (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. It would be remiss of me not to respond to that speech. It reminds me of this M\u0101ori proverb, or whakatauk\u012B: \u201CHe mahi te ana \u0101ta noho, e k\u012B ana te wheke [There is work in remaining quiet, according to the octopus].\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EIt is the octopus who says that sitting is working. We have inherited rivers and lakes that our children cannot swim in, and yet the member on the other side, Erica Stanford, just said something like \u201CThis Government is only investing so much.\u201D Actually, we\u2019re doing something. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EFrom question time until now, I\u2019ve sat here in this House and I\u2019ve listened to google search or whatnot from the other side. I\u2019ve listened to them critique about what the Government is delivering and only partially delivering that. Well, actually\u2014note to everybody\u2014we started with the foundation Budget. Now we\u2019re in the Wellbeing Budget, and we\u2019re still going ahead next year with another Budget that\u2019s going to focus on the wellbeing of New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s a certain privilege to be around in Papakura, and in T\u0101maki, where the Pacific people are saying to me\u2014and I quote\u2014\u201CAnahila, can you tell Grant and Jacinda, thank you very much for valuing us and having the Pacific people in the Government\u2019s five priorities of this Wellbeing Budget.\u201D Many articulate speakers on this side have reminded us of what the five priorities are, and I\u2019ll just remind us again. It is about taking mental health seriously, improving child wellbeing, supporting M\u0101ori and Pacific aspirations, building a productive nation, and, last, but not the least, transforming the economy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003ETreasury had published a report on the Pacific economy, and a couple of things I want to bring from that report. It said that 310,000 New Zealanders are Pacific. It said that every week there are 27,000 hours of voluntary labour provided by the Pacific community. They also said that the average income of the Pacific person in Aotearoa New Zealand is $40,000. The non-Pacific person earns $13,500 more than the Pacific person. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EKo taku reo taku ohooho; ko taku reo taku m\u0101pihi maurea. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003E[My language is my treasure of immense value; my language is my object of affection.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EMy language is my awakening; my language is the window to my soul. This whakatauk\u012B is closely associated with language revitalisation, a struggle which is very important in maintaining culture. Since I arrived on these shores, I have been taught English from the minute I wake up to the minute I sleep. Why? Maybe it is important in maintaining culture. We are supporting the Ministry for Pacific Peoples to establish a new language unit with a set of language priorities, to support and function to ensure the survival of New Zealand Pacific languages. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EThis year\u2019s Wellbeing Budget makes the lifting of Pacific incomes, skills, and opportunities a priority. In education, there is $27.4 million to support a package of initiatives focused on achieving Pacific outcomes. Earlier today in question time, Minister Salesa spoke about Tapas\u0101, which are cultural competencies for teachers who are teaching Pacific learners. What the Minister says is that there is currently a huge demand for Tapas\u0101 from Pacific teachers, because\u2014like us\u2014when we feel respected, when people pronounce our name correctly, we will achieve better. We know that it is important to have communities-driven education and communities involved in education. Tapas\u0101 is just one initiative. There are a few initiatives, like extending the Pacific early literacy project and a provision for developing Pacific languages. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EI have just returned from the Pacific, from Melanesia, and\u2014just a note to everybody in this House\u2014this Parliament is actually broadcast in the Pacific. It\u2019s broadcast in the Pacific, and when they see us use their language, they respect us as a nation. They respect New Zealand as a nation, and I just want to remind people that language and culture is more than having a language week. It is important to contribute to the people who live in this land, which includes Pacific New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EI am privileged to be a member of this coalition Government, and to be in the leadership with the Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern. Malo \u2018aupito. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022 data-id=\u002225ad300a961b42c9b6a860f710d446a5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002225ad300a961b42c9b6a860f710d446a5\u0022\u003ETAMATI COFFEY (Labour\u2014Waiariki):\u003C/span\u003E That was a great contribution just then from my colleague Anahila Kanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki, and it\u2019s great because she actually highlighted some of the things that are in this Budget for Pacific peoples. For the last week, I\u2019ve been travelling around my electorate, talking about the great things that are happening for our Pacific peoples but also for our M\u0101ori peoples as well. So in my travels, I\u2019ve been everywhere, from \u014Cp\u014Dtiki to Kawerau, and from Welcome Bay to Whakat\u0101ne to the Whakarewarewa rugby club, to talk about this right here\u2014the Wellbeing Budget\u2014and it\u2019s long overdue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EPeople were really pleased to hear what we were doing. They were pleased to hear that we were looking at our success as a country differently, because up to this point, you know, it\u2019s been quite easy to say \u201CWe\u2019ve measured our success according to how much money we make.\u201D But, in fact, that\u2019s not everything, because, actually, what we realised, especially in the run-up to the last election, was that there were a lot of people out there that had jobs and were contributing to the economy, but doing it really rough. The term out there being \u201Cthe working poor\u201D\u2014those people, the parents, couples, are earning their money, but it\u2019s still not enough to live on, especially in places like Tauranga, where they\u2019re earning good money, but, actually, they\u2019re spending a heck of a lot of it on their day-to-day living on their rents, if they\u2019re fortunate enough to even have a house. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EWe talked about, when I was out there, the direct M\u0101ori spend, because we were criticised in last year\u2019s Budget about not having enough targeted money for M\u0101ori spend. I\u2019m proud to say that this year, our Budget has allocated $570 million to targeted M\u0101ori initiatives. That was music to the ears of the people that were holding us to a very high bar and asking us to step up to the plate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EWell, I was proud to stand there and tell them that we have stepped up to the plate\u2014$32 million of that was announced to go towards our k\u014Dhanga reo. Now, our k\u014Dhanga have long been in a bit of a state, and they\u2019ve been looking for some support. I was fortunate on Friday to be standing at Te P\u0101kira Marae down at Whakarewarewa, where 72 new M\u0101ori graduates were graduating, and they were going to go out there and to be on the front line of our k\u014Dhanga reo. I had it told to me by one of the kuias who was sitting there. She said, \u201CYou know what? The M\u0101ori Party, when they were here, we swung in and we supported them, but, actually, they never did for us what you guys have done for us. So thank you for the money.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EAlso, just remember this is just the start, because this isn\u2019t the end of the story for our k\u014Dhanga reo. Our kaiako that go in there, our kuia, our kaum\u0101tua, our koroua\u2014they\u2019re out there at the front line. When we talk about child poverty amongst M\u0101ori children, it\u2019s our kaiako that see it first. So they were pleased to hear that and I was pleased to stand there and see 72 new graduates going out into our k\u014Dhanga, all across the Waiariki. They\u2019d come in from all over. That there is a win for our Reo M\u0101ori, which is a win for our kuia and our kaum\u0101tua that started the k\u014Dhanga reo movement, and it\u2019s also a win for those kaiako themselves. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EI was fortunate enough to be sitting next to one of the graduates. Her name was Patience. She was a young girl. She\u2019d been through quite a bit in her life, including having a few kids, but she\u2019s actually managed to turn herself around because she\u2019s found her calling in life, which is k\u014Dhanga reo. I\u2019m proud to say that through this Wellbeing Budget, we have actually put our money where our mouth is, and we\u2019ve gone and supported that movement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s just remember that it was back in 1987 that the M\u0101ori Language Act was passed, and still to this day we\u2019re fighting the challenge as a country, as a nation. Although M\u0101ori is an official language, it\u2019s still really hard for lots of people to pronounce. Lots of people haven\u2019t taken it up as the challenge, and I wonder when that time will come. Hopefully, as a result of this spend that we\u2019ve put into Te Reo M\u0101ori through the Crown\u2019s initiatives\u2014the Maihi M\u0101ori; the Maihi Karauna\u2014we\u2019ll be able to get to that point a whole lot faster. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EI\u2019m proud to talk about the Wellbeing Budget, but I also have a whakatauk\u012B \u201CK\u0101ore te k\u016Bmara e k\u014Drero m\u014D t\u014Dna ake reka [The k\u016Bmara does not speak about its own sweetness].\u201D The kumara doesn\u2019t talk about how sweet it is; we leave that to other people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EWe have canvassed some of our biggest critics, and I stand here and say that it was the M\u0101ori Party themselves that off the back of the Budget were quite quick to point out that \u201Cthe Labour Government\u2019s recognition of a fundamental change to the system of the national account\u2014acknowledging that GDP is not an accurate measure of success\u2014but that the oranga, the hauora, the \u2018ora\u2019 of wh\u0101nau is worth investing in.\u201D They were pleased to see what we had done through this Wellbeing Budget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EJust a comment from a colleague of mine, who told me the other day that when he was down in Christchurch talking to Ng\u0101i Tahu about the Wellbeing Budget, one of the koroua leaned over and said, \u201CWelcome Government. We\u2019ve been doing wellbeing for quite a long time now.\u201D Kia ora, Madam Deputy Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022 data-id=\u0022deb077f3517c403595a571ac38820534\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022deb077f3517c403595a571ac38820534\u0022\u003EMATT DOOCEY (National\u2014Waimakariri):\u003C/span\u003E I rise on behalf of the Opposition to support the motion of the Hon Simon Bridges that \u201Cthis House has no confidence in this bungling and incompetent Government because they are overseeing a slowing economy, declining job creation, a rising cost of living and they are failing to deliver on their promises to New Zealanders.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003EGod bless quiet New Zealanders. I\u2019m not overly religious, but I must say, quiet New Zealanders are the salt of this country, and I know that because Waimakariri is full of quiet New Zealanders. As referenced across in Government\u2014because they will be quite worried about this with the recent Australian elections, where Scott Morrison credited the quiet Australians. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003EBut we do know that with all this rhetoric\u2014New Zealanders don\u2019t like rhetoric. I\u2019ll tell you what, where we can reference that from is the day after the Budget\u2014this all-singing, all-dancing Budget\u2014The AM Show held a poll across their various mediums asking New Zealanders was there anything in the Budget for them. What do you reckon the result of that poll was? Was there anything in the poll for them? Eighty-three percent\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2de46a-9047-4bfe-92c8-5f14fd415dfb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220daf7793af45485d860ed40bd977474c\u0022\u003EAndrew Falloon\u003C/span\u003E: How many? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac93cad9a46442799e63f75de9f3f4d1\u0022\u003EMATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: \u201483 percent\u2014said there was nothing in this Budget for them. That\u2019s the quiet New Zealanders that this Government are going to have to watch out for, because they see through quite a lot of the rhetoric. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003ETo explain that, I want to reference a day I had in my electorate recently, on Thursday, in the mighty Waimakariri. I had three public meetings and a business visit that day. The first public meeting was in a town called Woodend. Woodend is a very busy little town that until recently, just before this Government came along, was going to have a good motorway built there with the Woodend bypass, the Belfast to Pegasus motorway. Wasn\u2019t that right, Minister? Of course, when I raised that this motorway was due to be cancelled by this Government because they\u2019d taken $5.5 billion out of State highway funding and redirected it into public transport, the Minister said in response to my accusations that I was politicking and this motorway was on track. Unfortunately, the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) turned up to the Woodend Community Association meeting, the AGM, and said that because of a change in priorities, it\u2019s dropped out of the 10-year plan for the NZTA. What was in the Budget for those residents? Nothing\u2014no commitment to the vital roading infrastructure that they needed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003EIn fact, the metrics that got them a motorway under the last National Government\u201416,000 car movements going through the Main North Road through that town of Woodend, forecasted to go to 26,000 in the next 10 years. Mums and dads are taking their kids across that main motorway to the local primary school without even a pedestrian crossing, yet under this Government there was no money for roading. In fact, you know what? That was the veracity of the conversation on Thursday. Not only that, but NZTA have told them that the safety consultation they\u2019ve had\u2014and they\u2019ve had two safety consultations. Any solutions that they identify, because they\u2019ve lost out on a motorway to make that main road safe, now have to apply for funding first, and what happened in this Budget? There was a decrease in the Budget for safer roads. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003ESo here we have provincial New Zealand, regional New Zealand, not getting the investment that they need. What was this Budget for them? Nothing, and that\u2019s why 83 percent polled that there was nothing in this Budget for them. They\u2019re the quiet New Zealanders that you\u2019ll need to watch out for, because they\u2019re the ones who will vote on their back pocket. Jobs, incomes, infrastructure\u2014all that\u2019s lacking in this Budget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003EThe next meeting I had on Thursday, I went to the new subdivision, Ravenswood. They\u2019re selling brand new three-bedroom houses with internal garages for $439,000\u2014cheaper than KiwiBuild. See, what this Government doesn\u2019t realise because they\u2019re so focused on State intervention is they could\u2019ve just followed the example of Canterbury post-earthquakes. The lesson there was when the earthquake recovery Minister drew circles on the map to free up land, what happened? The builders came in and they built houses. They actually surpassed the amount of houses we lost in the earthquakes, and we have annual house price inflation of 3 or 4 percent. The lesson is there. You free up land and it increases supply, which equals demand. You don\u2019t need KiwiBuild. What a failed policy. That\u2019s why I can understand that no one wants to touch it, and that\u2019s why there was nothing about KiwiBuild in this Budget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003EThen the second public meeting I had that day was out in a small town called Oxford\u2014population of 4,000 people. I had a business meeting. What was in the Budget for small business? Nothing\u2014nothing. Who employs the most people in New Zealand? Small and medium business. They\u2019re the ones who risk their capital to invest another dollar to employ another local member of the community as another staff member. What did this Budget give small and medium business? Zip\u2014nada. Nothing for roading, nothing for small business. We\u2019ve got houses cheaper than KiwiBuild. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003EBut it doesn\u2019t stop there. The final public meeting of the day was in a small rural area called Cust. We got a hundred farmers in Cust in a woolshed meeting at Taggart Farms and, boy, did they let loose, because in the \u201CWaimak\u201D, we know. We\u2019re New Zealanders\u2014we\u2019re like the rest of New Zealand. When farming does well, the whole of New Zealand does well, and when farming does better, the regions do better, because they underpin the whole of our economy. What did this Government give primary industries? Red tape and regulation\u2014nothing. Oh, hold on, they did invest in forestry. I tell you what, what\u2019s the flow-on effect of forestry in small-town New Zealand, in rural New Zealand? Nothing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003ESo you can say what you want in the beltway, but get out to where the real people are, and what do they say? Eighty-three percent of New Zealanders said there was nothing in the Budget for them, and they\u2019re quiet New Zealanders who will exercise their vote next year. They\u2019ll be voting on jobs, incomes, and infrastructure. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202d5dee49e0743f88f5d04c3789f66d6\u0022\u003EHon Willie Jackson\u003C/span\u003E: You had another meeting? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4bef9ea1029411a870eefded1f8d02d\u0022\u003EMATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Willie Jackson says did I have another meeting. Well, at least I\u2019m declaring my meetings in the House\u2014something your colleagues are a bit averse to doing. I do want to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002276b3a337232146dab67699cf71a5ae71\u0022\u003EHon Willie Jackson\u003C/span\u003E: Can you sit down now? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022febcf3acf5754edf9cfb0f5c2078d421\u0022\u003EMATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: No, I won\u2019t sit down, actually. Yeah, I won\u2019t. Unfortunately, I know you\u2019re not happy about what I\u2019m saying, but, actually, that\u2019s what quiet New Zealanders are saying, and the reason you want me to sit down is because you\u2019re hearing it too. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f50bad0a8a894962b62c0ecbdaf0c5dd\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! I am not part of this debate. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c46f6a547b094bb89b5149a70d389db9\u0022\u003EMATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: The reason the Hon Willie Jackson doesn\u2019t want to hear what I\u2019m saying is because he is hearing it too\u2014he knows. Quiet New Zealanders are not happy. They\u2019re not happy. They got no investment into valuable infrastructure, no roads that will increase our productivity and increase the time that mums and dads will have with their kids, and not be stuck in cars. Small business\u2014nothing for them. They\u2019re the ones that employ mums and dads in small towns. They got nothing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225ff96f0268154b72af769ff096d87ec5\u0022\u003EGinny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: Paid parental leave. You blocked it. You vetoed paid parental leave. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022772061ff6e614899a5d8f879bcc64da3\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! Do not bring me into the debate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220bc28e1d01ce45469d695210f277f3ed\u0022\u003EMATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: Government doesn\u2019t build roads. Government doesn\u2019t employ people in small business. Government doesn\u2019t build houses. Government doesn\u2019t do farming. This whole Government is fundamentally focused on the big ideological debate. What about the pragmatism of quiet New Zealanders? That\u2019s what you guys are going to have to watch out for. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022 data-id=\u0022fd05a07419ec4a588cb1bc77ee59a551\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fd05a07419ec4a588cb1bc77ee59a551\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: I understand this is a split call. Ginny Andersen, you have five minutes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022 data-id=\u0022e1dd3b7d36fa4515b7c09ce0afce5234\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e1dd3b7d36fa4515b7c09ce0afce5234\u0022\u003EGINNY ANDERSEN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E When I was outside just half an hour ago, I took the liberty of purchasing a chocolate bar. I ate that chocolate bar, and do you know what? To start with, it felt good\u2014felt nice. It made me feel like I had a bit of a sugar high. Then it went away, and I just felt a bit yuck afterwards. That kind of, really, in a really simple way, sums up a big difference, because the failed promises made under the previous Government are sugar highs. They are short-term things that give you a quick buzz but leave you feeling a bit yucky afterwards. That\u2019s the big difference between what the Wellbeing Budget does and what the previous sugar highs have failed to achieve. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003ELong-term development and reinvesting back into some of the big issues that the previous Government have been too scared to touch is where we change people\u2019s lives on a day-to-day basis. Those big, long-term issues are mental health, child poverty, homelessness, and family violence, and that is where this Budget is prepared to tackle the big issues and delve into those areas for some long-term investment. That\u2019s where we see a big difference in terms of where New Zealand is not only tracking now but for many years into the future. New Zealand has been starved for a long time, far too long, of any real investment, and we see it everywhere. We see it everywhere we look that there has been a failure to invest. Whether it be buildings, wages, mental health, or families, we see people struggling, and that is what this Government is taking active steps to address. It\u2019s going to take more than just a chocolate bar. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019m going to talk about how we see the manifestation of those long-term investments where I live in Hutt South, and I\u2019m going to talk about three big, key investments. Just this morning, we stood with the Minister of Research, Science and Innovation, the Hon Dr Megan Woods, to announce a $75 million investment into Callaghan Innovation. I went out to Callaghan Innovation just before the last election to watch asbestos buildings crumbling into the ground and to watch budding companies trying to use innovation in areas that were not suitable for scientists to be able to operate out of. What we\u2019ve seen through this investment is an ability for innovative companies to be able to get the assistance and the development that they have waited for far too long, and that\u2019s happening right in the Hutt. That\u2019s happening for more jobs for more people, and more New Zealand businesses being able to use science and research to further our development and our productivity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EOne example of productivity is that I was speaking to a scientist out there just this morning, and right now, it takes 12 weeks for them to do the testing, because it has to happen in different areas at different temperatures. The shell of the building that I stood in that will be finished next year under this grant\u2014those tests will take four weeks. So we\u2019re able to compete internationally at a far higher rate, and that is increased productivity brought by the Wellbeing Budget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003ENumber two: KiwiRail. Let\u2019s take a look at that: $1 billion is now working for 900 new engines to be built. The recreation of the engines that will be going between Auckland and Hamilton is happening right now. Thirty-two new jobs are happening immediately and more are to come because we are reinvesting in rail. What we saw previously was that the Hutt Railway Workshops were that close to closing. They went right down in jobs. They had nothing happening there because what happened was that cheap Chinese engines that were running on diesel, not electricity, were brought in under the previous Government as a way of cutting corners\u2014another cheap, quick sugar high that did nothing for jobs, nothing for training, and nothing for apprenticeships. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EThe last one I will talk about is our hospitals and our schools. For too long they have crumbled down, and Wainuiomata High School is just one of those\u2014$24 million to give children in a public school a building that they are proud of and that they can learn in and feel happy about. We need to be reinvesting in our schools and in our infrastructure so that our next generation have the right things to be able to do the best they can and have the best opportunities possible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EI am proud of this Budget because it\u2019s not there for quick sugar high political wins and vote-catching. Quick roads being built without funding are no more. We\u2019re here for the long term and we care about people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022 data-id=\u0022610b390af5914bfab68eefda73c772af\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022610b390af5914bfab68eefda73c772af\u0022\u003EANGIE WARREN-CLARK (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Kia orana, Madam Assistant Speaker. It is a great pleasure to stand here today. Obviously, this is a wellbeing Budget: $1.9 billion into mental health, $1 billion into our rail network, $3.8 billion into education, half a billion dollars specifically into tangata whenua with targeted M\u0101ori initiatives. We are focusing on the intergenerational, difficult, and harmful societal issues. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003EWhen I was out in the community visiting the Tauranga, Taup\u014D, and Rotorua communities, talking to them about the Budget, one of the things that those people\u2014those quiet New Zealanders\u2014came up and said to me was, \u201CWe have some real hope. We have some real hope that there will be some intergenerational change.\u201D So I stand here today with a full heart and immense pride in our Government for putting people and our environment at the centre of our Budget. Simply put, we are striving to resolve long-term issues like mental health, child poverty, homelessness, and family and sexual violence. We\u2019re doing this while maintaining fiscal responsibility. Fiscal responsibility is the hand that holds wellbeing close, and I\u2019m delighted that our Government knows that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003EIt will come as no surprise that today I\u2019m going to talk about the $320 million allocated in family and sexual violence, the biggest allocation ever\u2014so important. I spent 15 years in the paid workforce in that sector, and I want to share with the House what I\u2019ve learnt during that time. I bring it to this House to support a systematic plan that we have towards eliminating violence so that we can all benefit from the wellbeing. What I\u2019ve learnt: I\u2019ve learnt that victims and perpetrators come from all walks in this life\u2014the quiet New Zealander, Matt Doocey. I have learnt that most victims and perpetrators have been victims of abuse as children. We, with this investment, seek to break the intergenerational cycle of abuse. I have learnt that the most frequent question ever asked about violence is \u201CWhy doesn\u2019t she just leave?\u201D I can say she doesn\u2019t leave because she\u2019s afraid, because she lacks resources, because she continues to hope that things will change, because she is worried that her children will live in a worse situation than they\u2019re currently living in, because she knows he will use every system to further abuse her, because she thinks that violence is physical and that she\u2019s never been hurt physically, because she believes it when she\u2019s told that it\u2019ll never happen again, because she does not understand what a loving and respectful relationship is, and because she\u2019s ashamed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003EThere are many reasons that speak to the complexity of violence, and I can tell this House horror stories and heartbreaking stories of fear, but those are not my stories to tell. I can tell this House about the tremendous work that our front-line services deliver, including our police and our expert services. I am so delighted that we have systematically worked with eight ministries to put money into the family violence and sexual violence sector\u2014eight ministries working together in a joint venture, in a joined-up way, in order to support our shameful statistics. One million people are affected by violence every year in this country. One in four women are affected by sexual violence. One in seven men are affected by sexual violence. I\u2019m so very, very proud of this Budget, that has actually realised that we need to make a significant financial investment across the whole of Government in order to make a change. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll close with a quote from the Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern. She says it perfectly: \u201CWellbeing means \u2026 safe and free from violence. That is why this package is such a significant cornerstone of the Wellbeing Budget.\u201D Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022 data-id=\u00229463ef389df84a2592cf55ba35694e23\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229463ef389df84a2592cf55ba35694e23\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E Can I just first acknowledge Angie Warren-Clark, who has just sat down. We\u2019re in the same part of the beautiful Bay of Plenty. She has brought to this House a remarkable personal contribution to our community with respect to protecting against family violence, and I just want to acknowledge the comments that she has made. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EBut I do have to say that the speaker before, Ginny Andersen, takes the cake. The idea that this Wellbeing Budget should be compared to a box of chocolates is something else again\u2014absolutely stunning, and particularly the way that she framed it up that it provides a sugar hit. It has an initial taste that hits the back of your throat, and then it sort of makes you go \u201CUrgh!\u201D after you look into it. I thought that\u2019s a very good summary of this Wellbeing Budget, actually. The only problem is that before they got to open the chocolates, Simon Bridges came and stole half of them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EI do want to talk about the broader theme that exists in this debate that we\u2019ve had over the last day or so, and it relates to a Government that has at its core a philosophy of overpromising and under-delivering. We have seen that again in this remarkable conversation that we\u2019ve had as we\u2019ve stepped through what was actually delivered in this Budget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003ECan I start first, as an example of promising high and delivering low, with the area of climate change. My colleague Erica Stanford took some of my points, actually, earlier when she highlighted the fact that a year ago, the Government, on the back of its victory, said that climate change was the pre-eminent issue of this Government, it was the nuclear-free moment of this generation, and it needed to be addressed with urgency and the emissions reduced first forthwith. The key plank in the last year was the establishment of a Green Investment Fund. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c96ed15d2c04508820e0c37c3b0bf1a\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: How\u2019d that go? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b95c3acc46df4c698758d03f23e3d8fe\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, thank you for asking, Mr Bishop. It was officially opened for business last week\u201451 weeks after being launched, finally, they get to the point where, actually, now we\u2019re prepared to start having a conversation with New Zealand. Guess what, New Zealand\u2014guess what our emissions did last year? Oh, they went up. So here we have another contrast between the rhetoric on that side and the reality on this side. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EWhilst the last Labour Government was in power, emissions lifted by 20 percent. In the time that John Key and Bill English were the Prime Ministers, emissions were flat, despite the fact that our GDP lifted by 25 percent and our population lifted by 10 percent. That doesn\u2019t fit the narrative, does it? Emissions were flat under the last National Government and in the previous Labour Government it went up, and what has happened in the first year of this Government? It\u2019s gone up. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EWhat does James Shaw say in terms of what the trajectory of the emissions is? It will continue to go up, and it will go up, year on year on year on year on year, until the mid-2020s. That\u2019s what he says\u2014the emissions will continue to go up until the mid-2020s. The rhetoric is the sky is falling. The reality is, actually, their policy response is woeful. The green financial fund hasn\u2019t even opened for business one year on, and now we talk about\u2014as we have, and I\u2019ve given voice to that\u2014establishing a Climate Commission that\u2019s going to advise us appropriately, and we support that as a concept, around how over time we wrestle our emissions down. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EThe point is that the climate change section of this Budget is woeful. The money is just setting up an institution. There\u2019s no policy around what we are actually going to do to reduce emissions, because it\u2019s much easier to stand in front of the parliamentary forecourt and feel the young people\u2019s anxiety that the country isn\u2019t wrestling down emissions yet, say the right speech, and say, \u201CYes, we hear you. I\u2019m green, and I hear you.\u201D, but, actually, the record is nothing short of a disgrace. They\u2019ve been in here a year, got $100 million for a Green Investment Fund, and it has only just opened. By the way, the partner just on the other side of the House that we never look at, they got a billion dollars a year\u2014a billion dollars a year\u2014and another billion dollars for rail. Well, they\u2019ll say, \u201CThat\u2019s OK though, because as long as it\u2019s an electric train, we\u2019ll be OK.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EThat is the sole contribution that this Budget delivers to the Green Party and to the issue of climate change. It\u2019s really easy to stand up and say around the country, and give speeches at the back there: \u201CWe should declare a climate emergency.\u201D They have no ability to describe what it means; no ability to say, \u201CActually, this is the policy response we are going to deliver so New Zealand actually reduces its emissions.\u201D Oh no, that\u2019s too hard. It\u2019s much easier to stand up and say, \u201CLook, we care about this, and caring is enough. Don\u2019t judge us on our record. Judge us on our emotion.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EWell, I\u2019m sorry, but we are not going to let that slide. We\u2019re the National Party. We\u2019re the party of evidence and delivery on behalf of New Zealand\u2014those quiet New Zealanders that Matt Doocey talks about. When he made that point, I could see the reaction across the other side, because down here you know, right? It\u2019s all very well being affirmed when you go around the country in your small little groups\u2014as Labour and Green in your little echo chamber of support\u2014and say, \u201CYes, no, that\u2019s quite a good policy.\u201D But the great swath of New Zealand, who get up every morning and work, put capital into business, and actually want to see a Government that gets their challenges, gets the challenge of being New Zealand in a global environment which is challenging and difficult\u2014they are looking for leadership. They are looking for a party that can actually say, \u201CHere\u2019s the plan, and this is what we\u2019re going to do.\u201D Not willy washy wellbeing, because\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201ec741d46b042c38b86310bcab038d0\u0022\u003EMichael Wood\u003C/span\u003E: \u201CWilly washy\u201D? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228634a9f6c811457cbc2a2fbd1735f659\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, that\u2019s exactly it. Willy washy wellbeing\u2014that\u2019s what it is, because that\u2019s the point, isn\u2019t it? That\u2019s the point. At the core, what that party wants is\u2014but it sounds good to say. It sounds good to give a speech on it\u2014\u201CJust don\u2019t judge us on our actual record of making a difference for New Zealand. Don\u2019t judge us on what actual outcomes occur in regional New Zealand.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EWhen I look about the electorate that I represent of the Bay of Plenty and one of the fastest growing cities in the country, where is the delivery for them? Where is the 24-hour accident and emergency healthcare for Papamoa? Not there. Where is the road that connects \u014Cmokoroa to Tauranga that had already been budgeted and that was already out to tender? That has been cancelled. Where is that? It doesn\u2019t exist. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EThis is hopeless. We have a city that is the fastest growing, and it has no road infrastructure or investment. It has no additional healthcare for those who want 24/7 care. The Minister of Health stood up yesterday and talked about the fact that in the mental health spend there\u2019s going to be addiction and health services for Gisborne. I acknowledge that that is a step forward for Gisborne, but where is Tauranga\u2019s? We have been asking for it for years. Where is it? Where is it? You said this was a key plank. You said you\u2019re spending the money\u2014$1.1 billion\u2014on mental health. Where is the solution in Tauranga? Just because it\u2019s blue, it doesn\u2019t mean you close the door on it, because Simon and I are coming. We are going to make sure that that city actually gets some investment, and is not sort of waved at, saying, \u201CWell, that\u2019s actually a city that we are just going to ignore.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EWhere are the schools? Where are the roads? Where\u2019s the healthcare? There has been no investment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ae143237ba234e28a53b11ebf66cbe13\u0022\u003EDarroch Ball\u003C/span\u003E: For how long? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238d7d3aebf7f42dc9c844c4c14d012fa\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER\u003C/span\u003E: There has not been\u2014Darroch Ball says, \u201CFor how long?\u201D So here we have a city, and for the people living at home in Tauranga, that is the question that they\u2019ve said\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7933024bcf94426a65a75f309f54b1c\u0022\u003EDarroch Ball\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s Simon been doing? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022062a3da10c8842edb1dd55b78bff59ad\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, so what did National do? Let me tell you what National did. There was an infrastructure deficit when we took over that was eye-watering. We put in $500 million for the Tauranga Eastern Link, $500 million of infrastructure in Maungatapu and the back end the Kaimais, a commitment for $500 million that had already gone to tender on the Northern Link, and you guys\u2014sorry, the Government stepped in and cancelled it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EWe put more investment in hips and knees because we invest in the people that actually do the operations, not the back-office bureaucrats who sit there and say, \u201COh, we\u2019ve got another project to be invested in.\u201D It\u2019s delivery, Labour, New Zealand First, and Greens. It is not the function of the warmth of your speech; it\u2019s the delivery for a community. What are the actual additional hip and knee and cataract operations? We had increases year on year on year, and what does this Government do? It takes the targets away. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EThey take the target away because it\u2019s much easier to front New Zealand and say \u201CWe spent X billion, now we\u2019re spending Y.\u201D, but it\u2019s much harder to say \u201CAnd here are the additional hips and knees and cataracts and other elective surgeries that we commit to doing.\u201D, because that\u2019s accountability. That\u2019s your feet on the public fire of expectation, and this Government has failed. It is a botched Budget, it is woeful, and, as my colleague said, the quiet New Zealanders are coming. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u0022cf93c15dd7eb47fca06a716212183437\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cf93c15dd7eb47fca06a716212183437\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Assistant Speaker. I am absolutely delighted to be speaking in support of the Wellbeing Budget. The reactions that I have encountered since the Budget was delivered, right across my vast electorate of Te Tai Tonga, have been overwhelming. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI want to refer to Mr Doocey. We actually share the area of Waimakariri. I know Mr Doocey talked about the so-called quiet New Zealander. Well, what I can say to Mr Doocey is that my wh\u0101nau from North Canterbury in Tuahiwi, Woodend, Rangiora\u2014all of those areas\u2014are absolutely delighted with our Wellbeing Budget, and to evidence that are the papak\u0101inga housing initiatives, which Minister Mahuta is supporting and leading through our Wellbeing Budget. On the Rangiora Woodend Road, the land that spreads right through to Tuahiwi is called the M\u0101ori Reserve 873. That land was reserve land put aside for my forebears who were left landless, effectively. So those were lands that were set aside once the transactions happened back in the day. Those lands were set aside for housing, and yet for over 150-odd years, we were never able to build houses on that land, for a number of different reasons whether it was local government or other hurdles that were placed in our way. But I\u2019m delighted to say that through the support of Minister Mahuta and through the resources that she\u2019s putting through to papak\u0101inga housing, we\u2019re building houses on our whenua in M\u0101ori Reserve 873. Announcements have been made, the soils have been turned, and there\u2019s absolute delight amongst my wh\u0101nau there in North Canterbury. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo I am at odds with Mr Doocey and Mr Muller. I think they tend to sort of be a bit all doom and gloom in their debate. I know they\u2019re good guys. They are very good, and they\u2019re very passionate members for the beautiful parts of the country that they represent, but I think they are a bit doom and gloom, because this is a magnificent Budget. This Budget is all about wellbeing. It\u2019s delivering\u2014it\u2019s delivering for so many people in the areas of mental health. It\u2019s supporting more of our health infrastructure services, and M\u0101ori are benefiting immensely. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI want to also just address the issue around the quiet New Zealander, because what I think is more important is a symbol of how we are doing well as a country, which is that when M\u0101ori do well, the country does well. When our indigenous people do well, our country does well, and our people are doing well under this Budget. They\u2019re doing very well. They\u2019re delighted with the investments that we\u2019re putting into Wh\u0101nau Ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222dfc78cad2ee42e0ac92af85ee33d16c\u0022\u003EHon Willie Jackson\u003C/span\u003E: How much? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dea7e181c2514c9f908d17d51f53bd39\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE\u003C/span\u003E: Eighty million dollars into Wh\u0101nau Ora, helping our wh\u0101nau, with our cadets\u2014with our rangatahi\u2014through Minister Willie Jackson, and all of the magnificent work that is going on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo M\u0101ori are doing well, and it\u2019s not quiet New Zealanders that we need to look out for. I think we really need to look out for the M\u0101ori wairua\u2014our M\u0101ori spirit\u2014because when that spirit erupts, I tell you what, things move in this country, and what I have witnessed over the past week has been the expression of our wairua coming forth in absolute delight and appreciation for our Budget. There is no better example than the announcement that my colleagues and I made with Minister Davis about our k\u014Dhanga reo. The appreciation and the recognition of the work that Minister Davis did through driving through increased resources\u2014$32 million for our k\u014Dhanga reo, which have been neglected for far too long. To see the senior kaum\u0101tua of our k\u014Dhanga reo movement Waihoroi Shortland, my whanaunga from Ng\u0101ti Hine up in the North, being brought to tears\u2014being brought to tears\u2014at the recognition that we have given as a Government to the k\u014Dhanga reo movement and through the extra resources that have been desperately needed. To see that expression of emotion\u2014that is what our country needs to look out for. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI\u2019m delighted that this Wellbeing Budget has delivered right across the board\u2014in particular, for my constituents right across the vast Te Tai Tonga. We\u2019re delighted with this Budget. I want to recognise the Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson for their amazing work. This is a fantastic Budget. Kia ora t\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u0022af490b58b2b140f284f9bdda1773bf53\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022af490b58b2b140f284f9bdda1773bf53\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E E Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. E ng\u0101 mema o Te Whare nei, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. I\u2019m delighted to rise and speak in support of this Wellbeing Budget. Where do you start\u2014where do you start? There are so many initiatives and commitments and investments that this Wellbeing Budget does that I find it really difficult to pull myself out as the member for Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti and focus on the bigger picture. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ECan I commend the stewardship of the Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern and her leadership in bringing this Budget to fruition. I also want to go on record in acknowledging the Hon Grant Robertson. As a member of the M\u0101ori caucus, I can say the Hon Grant Robertson absolutely stuck to his word when he entered into good and fair negotiation with the M\u0101ori caucus. I want to acknowledge the co-chair of our caucus, the Hon Willie Jackson, and all the members of the M\u0101ori caucus, who worked diligently and effectively early on in the Budget process. But I do want to acknowledge the Hon Grant Robertson. We have delivered a Budget for M\u0101ori that M\u0101ori can be proud of: $570 million\u2014$570 million. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EOf course, we have an expansion to Wh\u0101nau Ora, and I want to acknowledge the Hon Peeni Henare. We\u2019ve got $98 million invested in preventing reoffending, with M\u0101ori-positive pathways out of a life of crime. I want to acknowledge the Hon Kelvin Davis and, again, the Hon Peeni Henare\u2014$75 million to back our young people from learning to earning with Mana in Mahi and He Poutama Rangatahi\u2014and I want to acknowledge the Hon Willie Jackson. Of course, we have $33 million to support our Reo M\u0101ori, and, of course, we\u2019ve got $56 million going towards whenua aspirations. I want to acknowledge the Hon Nanaia Mahuta, who, on top, gets $40 million for papak\u0101inga, and, of course, $30 million for our M\u0101ori-Crown relations and $61 million for M\u0101ori co-designed mental health and addiction services. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThis is a good day for M\u0101ori, and I also note it is just the beginning\u2014it is just the beginning\u2014but we will take that because as I travel throughout my electorate post the Budget announcement, we have had $20 million go into the Tai R\u0101whiti as part of the $1.9 billion investment in mental health to develop and build a purpose-built mental health and drug addiction centre. This has been something the Tai R\u0101whiti folks have been calling for, and I\u2019m pleased that the Hon David Clark came up and announced that just this week. Of course, $68 million was announced in the Hawke\u2019s Bay, in Wairoa, and Central Hawke\u2019s Bay, and, of course, my colleague across the hall there, Lawrence Yule, was part of that announcement out of the Provincial Growth Fund. This was the Government on this side of the House\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f99053e5fd0445da86e342f4c174d991\u0022\u003EHon Aupito William Sio\u003C/span\u003E: What was he doing there? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002234a5b62c0d514c909ed1c5131e33446a\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI\u003C/span\u003E: He was supporting the kaupapa, Hon Aupito William Sio. There is $68 million going into water storage. If you know the electorates of Central Hawke\u2019s Bay and Hawke\u2019s Bay, we have horticultural growers and we have farmers, and this Government has heard the call and is investing $68 million. I heard from that side that we had forgotten the regions. I heard from that side that we were leaving out farmers\u2014$68 million just the other day in water storage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThis is a great day to be a member of this coalition Government, to enjoy what we have announced and what the Budget brought, but, more importantly, to show the pathway that this Government is investing and delivering for all. That is what the Prime Minister said in the Speech from the Throne. We want to be kind, we want to be compassionate, and we want to deliver to all New Zealanders, and in this Budget we are doing exactly that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019ve talked about the broad M\u0101ori budget, but I\u2019m so proud to be the member of Parliament for Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti, which has enjoyed the love from this Government with the investment of over $157 million from the Provincial Growth Fund in Tai R\u0101whiti roads, and I can go on and on. It is just the beginning. It is important to acknowledge those that have worked on the Budget to bring the gains to the regions, to regions like my own of Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti, and say that we are serious, as this Government is, in ensuring that we are locking in the economic potentials and delivering and addressing the social challenges in small town New Zealand and big town New Zealand and everything in between, because this is a Budget for all, and I commend it to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u00221a2f83c29d6a4f4faed0422b473735a1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221a2f83c29d6a4f4faed0422b473735a1\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E Well, where to start? Seriously, where to start? I could talk about how the \u201CWellbeing Budget\u201D moniker is just a great marketing gimmick, because what they will have you believe on the Government benches is that they\u2019ve invented multi-category appropriations. I saw a tweet last night from Marja Lubeck saying this is a revolutionary Budget because, for the first time, we\u2019ve got departments making bids together. Well, I\u2019m sorry, but that was introduced by the National Government 60 years ago through the Public Finance Act. Then she said, \u201COh, well, we\u2019re taking the long term.\u201D Well, Budgets from time immemorial have had four-year plans, so, I\u2019m sorry, but this idea that wellbeing is a new invention of the Labour Party and the Labour Government is just not true. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EI could talk about how it\u2019s a Budget of broken promises, because it is on education and on health, and other members have canvassed that. I could talk about how last year the M\u0101ori caucus, led by the most incompetent, useless Minister in the Government\u2014the Hon Willie Jackson\u2014said that \u201CThe way to make M\u0101ori get ahead is generic funding.\u201D You know, we don\u2019t need to pick out M\u0101ori\u2014we don\u2019t need to do anything! \u201CA rising tide lifts all boats,\u201D says Willie. Now what do we have, under criticism from this side of the House? Now we find that, actually, we do need targeted funding, and we heard Meka Whaitiri, the co-chair of the M\u0101ori caucus\u2014potentially back in Cabinet in a few weeks\u2019 time, although I see my colleague in Hutt South, Ginny Andersen, has decided to promote herself to the front bench already. It may be a bit early\u2014maybe, we\u2019ll see. But Meka Whaitiri says \u201COh, no, it\u2019s all fantastic. We\u2019ve got all this funding for M\u0101ori development.\u201D\u2014I could talk about that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd74112e4a814787a138e9218904dd86\u0022\u003EHon Willie Jackson\u003C/span\u003E: M\u0101oris can\u2019t stand you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa9f7b75793a43039dac58006edaa903\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0ba7f63f42d49daa4da99fe478d8feb\u0022\u003EHon Willie Jackson\u003C/span\u003E: Just thought I\u2019d let you know. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022528d59e50a34434d8d11a1b7677abac2\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Mr Jackson, turituri. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022831be9c219d042fe96718018f9c8e241\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: He can\u2019t handle it, can he? He really can\u2019t handle it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9da0a49f47f4c73be9d732b29bb9cfc\u0022\u003EHon Willie Jackson\u003C/span\u003E: Wainui\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207792c600b9f4065aecdc9c8928aa3fe\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Jackson, I asked you to be quiet. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8b24692c68a42b1b9b8b61c965b8791\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Mate, I\u2019m willing to put my record up against your record any day of the week, my friend. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224551cb78c3a44b958a3084df32ceb46e\u0022\u003EHon Willie Jackson\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, any time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c98e460d16114c99ae01ee1c0d208f76\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, good luck with that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222bf4dcb6c5024777859e51d48f3853cd\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Jackson, you\u2019re on your last warning. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed807adc92db4e8faae59843185477e3\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, \u201CGood luck with that.\u201D\u2014well, unlike Willie Jackson, I\u2019ve won a seat\u2014says the list MP and Associate Minister outside Cabinet. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EI want to talk, actually, about how the Budget fails the Hutt Valley in a couple of ways\u2014firstly, when it comes to transport. The Melling interchange project in the Hutt Valley has been delayed for a decade, and this Government talks big about transport. They talk big about all the money going into trains\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277cba06ff41e426782b543d3abf16e1d\u0022\u003EGinny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: You didn\u2019t fund it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ebbcd8fe8bcb4267bb11f48e2804f7e5\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Do not bring the Speaker into the debate. Carry on, Mr Bishop. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224bbcba122be34b629fa13d9633cc70cb\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: This Government talks big on Melling. The Melling interchange was ready to go and the Government changed, and what happened? We had a review. Alongside Melling, alongside a whole bunch of other projects around the country, the New Zealand Transport Agency put them all into the review bucket. So we waited and we waited and we waited and we waited, and the Hutt Valley waited, and we thought, \u201CWell, actually, it\u2019ll probably get over the line.\u201D Do you know why we thought that? Phil Twyford came out to the Hutt Valley and stood on the Melling interchange bridge with the deputy mayor and with all the other powers that be, and he said \u201CAs far as I\u2019m concerned, this ticks all the boxes.\u201D, and everyone went, \u201COh, that\u2019s great. It\u2019s definitely getting over the line.\u201D Everyone in the Hutt Valley thought \u201CMelling? Oh well, it\u2019s going to happen. That\u2019s good.\u201D, and then, in April this year, we heard the news. Well, it does tick all the boxes, it is a good project, but what\u2019s going to happen? Funding has been delayed till 2028 or later. There are schoolchildren in the Hutt Valley today who will finish secondary school before they even see the sod turned on Melling. It is absolutely disgraceful. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThen we come to P\u0113tone to Grenada. Now, P\u0113tone to Grenada is a very important road for the Hutt Valley, alongside the Cross Valley Link project, better connecting the eastern part of the valley through to State Highway 2 and then through into Ngauranga. That Ngauranga triangle\u2014a big centre of economic growth\u2014has been, effectively, cancelled. That has been, effectively, cancelled. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EI want to talk about the State Highway 58 improvements. Do you know what the New Zealand Transport Agency says about this road? They say it is Wellington\u2019s most dangerous road\u2014Wellington\u2019s most dangerous road. Well, Julie Anne Genter\u2014she is the road safety Minister\u2014says road safety is one of the Government\u2019s highest priorities. Well, two roundabouts that would make that road a lot safer have been delayed indefinitely. It is a disgrace. So the Budget fails the Hutt, as it fails New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EI want to talk about housing because the Hutt Valley has a homelessness problem. In fact, I would go so far as to say it has a homelessness crisis. What\u2019s been the response from the Government? Housing First, funded two Budgets ago, in Budget 2017. Has it rolled out in the Hutt Valley yet? No, and we heard the news from the Government the other day, in a pre-Budget announcement\u2014the Budget we\u2019re talking about\u2014that Housing First will be expanded and it will include Wellington and the Hutt Valley. Two years have gone by and the social housing waiting list in the Hutt Valley is at record levels. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWhat about KiwiBuild? Members on my side of the House laugh, and they\u2019re right to laugh. Well, there\u2019s one KiwiBuild project in Lower Hutt. It\u2019s an apartment. I asked Phil Twyford a month ago when it was due to be completed. He said to me, \u201CIt\u2019s going to be complete by 30 June.\u201D Well, I went down to that apartment building on the High Street the other day. Do you know what I found? I found big signs outside saying, \u201CHazard. Do not enter\u201D\u2014do not enter. Is there any construction under way? No. Will it be completed by 30 June, which is in, what, 18 days\u2019 time? No, of course not, and now we find it\u2019s 30 December 2019. Well, I venture to guess that we may be looking at 30 June 2021. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003ESo the Budget fails the Hutt Valley, but I want to turn to my responsibilities as the National Party spokesperson for police. What does the police do about getting 1,800 new police? Well, there\u2019s a big commitment from these guys\u2014a big commitment from the Government\u2014to having 1,800 new police within three years. Well, three years comes around pretty quick, actually, and three years is in October 2020. How are we going? There are 496 new police. OK, that sounds like a good number, but you do the math and you think, \u201COK, 496. Round it up to 500\u20141,300 still to go.\u201D Do you reckon we\u2019ll get 1,300 net new police in the next year? I don\u2019t think so. Do the math\u2014it\u2019s not going to happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003ELook, there\u2019s not even enough money. The hilarious thing is Stuart Nash was told by Treasury, \u201CIf you want to deliver 1,800 new police, you need $515 million.\u201D This was in the last Budget: \u201CYou need $515 million.\u201D Do you know how much he got? He got $298 million; this Budget he got another $110 million. Again, do the math: $400 million, and he is $115 million short. But, don\u2019t worry, he\u2019s going to go his to his great mate Grant Robertson and get more cash\u2014well, we\u2019ll see. He does not have enough money, and the 1,800 new police will not be delivered in three years. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWhat about 24/7 police stations? Well, the previous National Government had a plan to roll out 24/7 police coverage to 20 police bases around the country, including in Stuart Nash\u2019s own patch of Wairoa, and now we find that 13 of them will not be upgraded to 24/7 coverage. In Balclutha, the mayor down there is crying out for 24/7 police coverage, and my colleague Hamish Walker is doing a fantastic job campaigning for 24/7 police coverage, which the police were funded for in Budget 2017 and they are not delivering. Stuart Nash is not delivering on his promises. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWell, what is he doing? I\u2019ll tell you what he is doing. His latest grand plan to crack down on gangs\u2014I kid you not; this is his grand plan to crack down on gangs\u2014is to tell shopkeepers to ring the police when people come in and buy whiteware items. I kid you not\u2014I kid you not. This is his grand plan for cracking down on gangs. He says that when a shopkeeper thinks that someone might be a gang member and they buy a flat-screen TV, call the cops\u2014that\u2019s his plan. That\u2019s his plan for cracking down on gangs. What a joke. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWhat else is he allowing? Well, now we have this awful situation, as my colleague Lawrence Yule knows, of the Mongrel Mob doing gang patch and association ceremonies at the top of Te Mata Peak\u2014at the top of Te Mata Peak\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f45030de5f44d41af1bd3ad8629112d\u0022\u003ETodd Muller\u003C/span\u003E: A very special place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022105f0b3c15d945e08e18c6a8c466450d\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and cutting off the access for members of the general public to a very special place, as Todd Muller says, and that\u2019s OK in the Government\u2019s books. Well, on this side of the House we do not regard that as acceptable and we\u2019ll be taking steps when we get back to Government to make sure that does not happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWhat else is he overseeing? Eleven guns were stolen from Palmerston North Police Station\u201411 guns stolen from the back door of the Palmerston North Police Station. Only eight were recovered; three are still at large. This is a police Minister who is not on top of his brief, not on top of his portfolio. It will be interesting to see\u2014won\u2019t it\u2014where the Government goes on the wider law and order picture. There is money in the Budget for law and order initiatives, and actually some of them are quite good. Actually, all of them were started by us, including alcohol and drug treatment courts\u2014making a serious investment in making sure people can break the cycle of addiction. That\u2019s funded in the Budget. It was started by us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe Integrated Safety Response service, which Jan Logie talks a lot about\u2014well, she made a big announcement about it. Jan Logie made a big announcement about the Integrated Safety Response, but when you burrow down into the fine details, they\u2019re not actually expanding it. It started under us in Hamilton and Christchurch, and there\u2019s more money in the Budget for Hamilton and Christchurch. They\u2019re not rolling it out around the country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s the same with the Te Ara Oranga programme in Northland, the meth-addiction cycle-breaking service up in Northland\u2014a fantastic programme. They\u2019ve lauded it. Is there any more money in it? No. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003ESo all the initiatives that they\u2019ve talked about that are good started under us, and actually there\u2019s not much more money for them, and on the things that really matter\u2014the stuff they committed to\u2014they are failing. This is a botched, failed Budget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022 data-id=\u002275f20941f834458b826114234fc7bc53\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002275f20941f834458b826114234fc7bc53\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON (Labour\u2014Port Hills):\u003C/span\u003E If I was Chris Bishop, or actually any member of the National Party, I\u2019d be pretty despondent too. But I just say to Mr Bishop that it will end. I\u2019ve been in the same position as that member. I\u2019ve been in the same position as members of the National Party. Eventually it happens and people start to feel better or leave, and I look forward to that happening to the National Party, because it\u2019s actually quite sad watching it. I personally feel sadder than our 2017 intake. They said, \u201CIt can\u2019t be that bad.\u201D I said, \u201CBelieve me, we\u2019ve been through it on this side. It is that bad.\u201D So I understand, Mr Bishop, why you\u2019re feeling so bad. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EOn this side of the House, I don\u2019t know that we could feel much better, because we have just had one of the best Budgets I can recall. I heard the Hon Scott Simpson saying that \u201CYou know, the problem with the Prime Minister is she\u2019s like Norm Kirk: she\u2019s got vision.\u201D Oh, you know, if that\u2019s the worst criticism that can be handed out, we\u2019ll take it, because this is a Budget with vision. It\u2019s a Budget that delivers. It\u2019s a Budget that will drive intergenerational change, and it\u2019s a Budget that New Zealand needed and is celebrating. I don\u2019t recall a more positive response to a Budget in my time in Parliament, and I\u2019ve seen a couple. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EI want to congratulate our Prime Minister, the Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern, our Minister of Finance, the Hon Grant Robertson, our Deputy Prime Minister, the Rt Hon Winston Peters, and the co-leaders of the Green Party of Aotearoa, Marama Davidson and the Hon James Shaw. Those people together are extraordinary. With three different parties, a shared set of values, and a passion to change things for the better for New Zealanders, it\u2019s awesome to watch. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EThis Budget faces the big issues. It faces them and it tackles them. That\u2019s a big challenge for Government. Too many Governments think in a three-year cycle. This is investing in future change that will make a difference not just today but to our children and our grandchildren. So it\u2019s a very proud time for this side of the House to be in Parliament. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EFor me, the most important and positive attribute for many in the Budget was the fact that we are taking mental health seriously. It\u2019s about time. I can remember pre-the Hon Jenny Shipley days, when members in this House used mental health patients as political footballs. Jenny Shipley and Helen Clark did a deal that they would lead their parties to stop doing that, and it ceased in Parliament. I want to pay tribute to both Jenny Shipley and Helen Clark for that leadership. This Budget builds on that leadership by taking mental health seriously. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EMost MPs know somebody\u2014it could be a constituent, it could be a friend, it could be a family member\u2014who has been turned away from mental health support when they\u2019ve asked for help. It takes a lot to ask for help. It\u2019s a big step, often outside New Zealanders\u2019 comfort zone. We\u2019re not great at asking for help. We\u2019re not great at saying we\u2019re not well. So when people take that big step and when they finally say \u201CI need help.\u201D and they get turned away, there\u2019s not much worse that can happen to them. Some of them have been literally told they can\u2019t get help because they\u2019re not suicidal enough. That\u2019s the state of the mental health system that the National Party left to us in Government, where people in our country\u2014people in New Zealand\u2014are told they can\u2019t get mental health support because they\u2019re not suicidal enough. Those members should hang their heads in shame that that\u2019s what this Government is picking up to deliver. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003ESometimes people begged for help. We know those stories; we\u2019ve heard them. So our Government is delivering on mental health support, taking mental health seriously. The Budget has got a wide range of investments, from investments in our workforce development\u2014because we know we don\u2019t have enough mental health workers to deliver the service that we envisage will be delivered by this Budget, so there\u2019s a programme of mental health workforce development. There\u2019s investment in new facilities, and congratulations to Tai R\u0101whiti for being the first to be the recipient of that. That\u2019s an area which will really benefit from that\u2014a provincial town that\u2019s very isolated in many respects\u2014and those services, I know, will really benefit that community. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003ESuicide prevention: thank you for the leadership from our Minister and Associate Ministers of Health for saying that not one suicide is acceptable and, therefore, not having a made-up suicide prevention target that was going to make out to the public that any suicide is acceptable. It\u2019s not. So that investment in suicide prevention is amazing. Addiction treatment? We all know how much that\u2019s needed in our country, and housing for 3,000 people. So that package of mental health support is delivering. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EImproving child wellbeing is another priority of the Budget, breaking the cycle of poverty and the cycle of family violence. There\u2019s many Ministers that I\u2019d like to pay tribute to, but I want to particularly acknowledge the leadership of Jan Logie, who brought together so many of our colleagues across different parties and so many different agencies and said, \u201CThis is a problem we know is real in New Zealand. It\u2019s big. It destroys people\u2019s lives. It impacts on children in a way that they can never ever reach their potential, and we can make a difference in this House.\u201D With that sort of leadership, backed by the significant financial investment\u2014but it needs that leadership to drive it\u2014I am confident that those agencies will get the fact that they are being led to work together and make a difference so that every child, every man, and every woman can live a life free of violence. So thank you, Jan Logie, for that leadership. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003ESupporting M\u0101ori and Pacific aspirations is another one of the priorities of the Government. We have left people behind in our success, and that is not good enough for any country. We know that M\u0101ori and Pasifika have got so much more potential than our current systems allow them to demonstrate. Success should be within the ambit of every New Zealander, regardless of the fact that they\u2019re P\u0101keh\u0101/European, new immigrants, M\u0101ori, or Pasifika. We know what post-colonisation life is like. It\u2019s about time that we said we\u2019re going to do better here, and I\u2019m confident that what we\u2019ve got in this Budget will do that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EOne of the critical parts, of course, is education and employment. Willie Jackson might fall over when I commend him for his leadership, but I do. I genuinely do. His passion\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002242b1725d6ee245eca4f7a97f1198aee1\u0022\u003EMarama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s not surprised that you would say that! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d2e6febb59e4104a31efb4c5d4ff9fa\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s cheeky, and sometimes as a whip I have to remind him that it\u2019s not good to be cheeky. But his passion and commitment to ensuring that young M\u0101ori have a better chance to be the best they possibly can will make a huge difference, not just to those individuals but to the future of our nation. This is really investment that makes a difference. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EThe final priorities I want to mention are building a productive nation and transforming the economy. We know that despite working longer and harder than many people in other countries, we have a low rate of productivity. The investment in our businesses aims to turn that around. Too many Governments have talked about it and not enough have invested in it, and, again, investment in training and employment is a big part of that. We should have higher-value work than we do currently, and training and education will help deliver that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EThe final point I want to congratulate the Minister of Finance on is the investment in KiwiRail. What a disgrace to see rubbish, imported carriages coming into New Zealand at the same time as our workshops in the Hutt Valley and Dunedin were closing. New Zealand tradespeople were losing their jobs and we imported cheap rubbish that lasted five minutes, and at the same time investment in our rail just didn\u2019t happen. If we\u2019re serious about a low emissions future, about making our roads safer by getting trucks off them, and about investing in quality Kiwi production, then investment in KiwiRail is a big part of that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EWe want to fix our schools and our hospitals. We want to make a difference for the future. This Budget invests in things that will make a difference. It delivers for New Zealand, and I\u2019m very proud to be part of this side of the House that has put together that Budget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022 data-id=\u00225acca5ed9f964894967fef66af35adec\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225acca5ed9f964894967fef66af35adec\u0022\u003EHon TIM MACINDOE (National\u2014Hamilton West):\u003C/span\u003E Madam Assistant Speaker, as there would appear to be about 25 seconds until you lift the House for dinner, I seek leave for the House to lift now for the dinner adjournment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022 data-id=\u00228427e3d48b104dbe8243d9ecdd558f5d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228427e3d48b104dbe8243d9ecdd558f5d\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: You could\u2014does anyone want to speak to that point of order? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022 data-id=\u0022892b075dc9134d21b64df34532f73a4a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022892b075dc9134d21b64df34532f73a4a\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON (Senior Whip\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, I do, actually. I\u2019m actually very disappointed that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022 data-id=\u002203773d3c2d004652a049adb444591077\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002203773d3c2d004652a049adb444591077\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: I apologise to the honourable member. The time has come for me to leave the Chair for the dinner break. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u0022066e28cc4a584b208f42cbe2acc93109\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022066e28cc4a584b208f42cbe2acc93109\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Energy and Resources):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That this debate be now adjourned. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022edf8ac794450412e889f426b582d12a7\u0022\u003EOranga Tamariki Legislation Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c2c9cf314eca469fb26307f598a72ad7\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00224d64d537732047639b4cc9eefe47c051\u0022\u003EPart 1  Amendments to Oranga Tamariki Act 1989\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u0022eeefb953ebbf4985a5209d34749dc151\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eeefb953ebbf4985a5209d34749dc151\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I rise to take a call in this committee stage and, again, as we have previously discussed in the second reading last night, we on this side are supporting the bill. In her submission last night, the Minister discussed her Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 247, and so I look forward to that, so I just want to make some comments on the Supplementary Order Paper by the Hon Tracey Martin. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe Supplementary Order Paper clarifies amendments to the Oranga Tamariki Act 1989 in Part 1 and Schedule 1 of the Oranga Tamariki Legislation Bill. As was indicated previously, the main changes in this Supplementary Order Paper are to amend it to insert new clause 3A, which inserts definitions of non - Schedule 1A offences, and I think this is critically important because this goes to the heart of the definitions around the areas of transition from the Youth Court and then through into the adult court as well. So when the Minister will, obviously, stand to rise and to answer some questions, I suppose it\u2019s the clarification in regard to what we had in the select committee stage, when we were asking questions of the officials as to the differences between the Schedule 1A offences and the non - Schedule 1A offences when they do transfer up, and then also, too, in regards to them being heard in the same adult court with the other non - Schedule 1A offences as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019m sure we\u2019ll hear from the Minister in that regard as to the technical changes that are there and their importance but also any unintended consequences that she may have seen that may have happened in that. I think we did have some conversation around that there could potentially be some anomalies as well to that. I know that in this regard, for instance, when it is a Schedule 1A offence, there is no provision for a family group conference (FGC) because there\u2019s a transition into the adult court, as well. I suppose the question for the Minister, though, is that though both offences are being heard, the whole process of an FGC does allow for other forms of mitigating but also rehabilitation back into that situation as well, and whether there was further on down through the process where there may be an opportunity for an FGC to play some sort of role in the rehabilitation process\u2014hence the reason why an FGC is there in that regard, as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe other part, too, in regard to SOP 247 is the amendment of new clause 4B, which inserts new section 247A, and to new clause 4G, which inserts new section 276AA, to enable the prosecutor to seek a determination from the Youth Court that a charge is a related charge, instead of enabling a proposal to be notified. It also replaces new section 276AB(3) in new clause 4G to clarify when section 138(1) to (3) of the Criminal Procedure Act 2011 does not apply to the hearing of the charges together with another charge as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ELastly, it amends new clause 4H in relation to a proceeding that is transferred back to the Youth Court following a guilty plea or a finding of guilt in the District Court or the High Court. New section 276A then enables the Youth Court, in most circumstances, to treat the proceeding as if the charge had been proved before the Youth Court. This includes the circumstances of section 283 of the Oranga Tamariki Act 1989 and, consequently, clause 4J is deleted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EJust on that, Madam Chair, the Supplementary Order Paper also makes other technical amendments, and so I seek your indulgence because some of this I will be reading because of the technical nature that comes with it, but then I will also make some comments as well. So in the committee of the whole House, obviously, Part 1 is the meaning of the youth justice coordinators and whether the family group conference is required or otherwise. There\u2019s the jurisdiction of the Youth Court, children\u2019s liability to be prosecuted for criminal offences, and the manner of dealing with these offences, as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI think one of the points that we\u2019ve maybe said, which is to go with this commentary around the Supplementary Order Paper, is whether there\u2019s the capacity and capability for the court system as it is at present. So it would be good to hear from the Minister as to her sense that as we make these technical changes, whether the provision in the current court system is actually there to appropriate these changes that will be made in the court as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe manner of dealing with offences and the transfer of proceedings back to the Youth Court I think is quite important, and that went to my first point around an FGC process. So, initially, with a non - Schedule 1A offence, if that offence is then dealt with, then in the adult court, when the non - Schedule 1A is dealt with, a transfer back into the Youth Court, is there provision to be able to deal with that by using an FGC process as well? Also, there are provisions in the instance of a child, young person, or adult being jointly charged in the hierarchy of the court\u2019s responses if it\u2019s proved? Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u002225196ff1aa7e4fda9b4d20f6b25faa12\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002225196ff1aa7e4fda9b4d20f6b25faa12\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (National\u2014Taup\u014D):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair, and it will be good to hear from Minister Tracey Martin about Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 247, because there\u2019s obviously quite a lot of detail in it, which we will look forward to. As my colleague the Hon Alfred Ngaro did speak about, National will be supporting this piece of legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EWe did have a compressed time frame in terms of working through this piece of legislation, but I do want to just put on record my thanks to the officials. I know that when you\u2019re changing 11 pieces of legislation, there\u2019s a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes with the different agencies working through the ramifications and the impact of all of those changes, so I do want to just put on record my thanks to the officials, both those who are here and those who worked with the Social Services and Community Committee and behind the scenes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EBoth the bill we\u2019ve got in front of us and also Supplementary Order Paper 247 are quite a significant piece of work and one that\u2019s really important for all of us, if it\u2019s successful. Obviously, we\u2019ve had a discussion earlier today about just how critical it is that the changes work for young people in the youth justice system, and, as I mentioned in the House in my second reading contribution, it also needs to work for those that the justice system serves\u2014i.e., the victims that are involved in this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003ESo this debate is on Part 1. Part 1 is just covering changes to the Oranga Tamariki legislation itself, and Part 2, obviously, covers all of the other changes. It is important. I think that on the surface of it, people look at it and say, \u201COh well, you\u2019re just changing the age\u2014big deal.\u201D, but I think the significance of the changes that we have worked through in the select committee and then the changes in the SOP that\u2019s before us just really kind of highlight that, actually, it\u2019s not as straightforward as it sounds. So I do want to thank the Hon Tracey Martin for picking up this work from the Hon Anne Tolley, and I know that you have put a significant amount of work and effort into it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EIn terms of Part 1, I do think it\u2019s important that we kind of go through some of the SOPs\u2014I don\u2019t want to cover that, because I\u2019m assuming the Minister will take a call on it. But this is around the various implications of changing the age so that another group of young people can be served in the youth justice system rather than in the adult courts. As a former Minister of Corrections, I absolutely understand how critical it is that we can do what we can for those young people who experience the youth justice system, and the more that we can make that experience the one and only experience they have, the better. So, obviously, some of these young people are dealing with Schedule 1A charges, the more serious charges, and some of the changes that we worked through in detail with the officials were, you know, things like when a family group conference could not be held, when there are joint charges, and trying to minimise a young person appearing in two different courts, let alone two different court proceedings. So the detail of working through that, I think, has been really important, and I\u2019m particularly grateful for the officials\u2019 advice on it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EThere were a few areas that we wanted to kind of test any of the unintended consequences. I think there are, potentially, still a few questions around that, and I particularly want reassurance from the Minister, with the SOP that\u2019s tabled today, that those have all been explored. Even in the fact that we\u2019ve got a short time frame, I want to know from the Minister that in terms of this particular Part, Amendments to Oranga Tamariki Act, you know, is she 100 percent confident that all of the unintended consequences have been explored and that she can, hand on heart, say, \u201CNo, we\u2019re not going to have to come back and change this.\u201D, because that is always one of the risks when you\u2019re dealing with a compressed time frame, when you\u2019re dealing with a substantial Supplementary Order Paper such as this one that we have before us\u2014that others don\u2019t have the chance to scrutinise it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022 data-id=\u00228e1c039198ad43fc92137de45affb010\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228e1c039198ad43fc92137de45affb010\u0022\u003EAGNES LOHENI (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair, for the opportunity to make a contribution to this committee stage on Part 1 of the Oranga Tamariki Legislation Bill. As has been traversed in this House, this bill tightens up legislation, particularly on procedures and processes relating to 17-year-olds within the youth justice jurisdiction. As my colleague, the Hon Louise Upston, the previous speaker, just talked about before, there have been comments about how \u201COh, you\u2019re just lifting the age.\u201D It isn\u2019t just about lifting the age. It\u2019s a very significant bill. It\u2019s a technical bill but it\u2019s a bill that actually affects lives for a particular significant group of 17-year-olds.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003ESo in terms of Part 1, we were looking at the area of jurisdiction of the Youth Court. The committee was advised by officials that there could be an estimated 1,000 proceedings involving 17-year-olds under way in the District Court or the High Court on 1 July 2019, ranging from minor to serious offences. So for the majority of these 17-year-olds, this bill is a move in the right direction. It\u2019s a great start, moving in that direction. It would be fair to say that for many of these 17-year-olds in this group, they have not had a great start in life. So I\u2019m pleased to say that this was a move initiated by the previous National Government, and I applaud that move by this Government to continue on this path, to continue this work. It\u2019s an important piece of work, because it is about changing lives for our young people. It\u2019s about giving these young people a chance to go down another path\u2014a path that will allow more intervention at a crucial point in the development of these young people, because if these 17-year-olds come before the District Courts, the potential is high that they will be making connections that are not in their best interests, and connections that potentially lead them down a path of crime. So age is an important factor here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to refer you to some comments made by Associate Professor Ian Lambie, Chief Science Adviser for New Zealand\u2019s justice sector, who said that brain development is definitely one influence on youth behaviour. Can I quote from him: \u201CIt is now apparent that brain pathways develop in such a way that adolescents undertake more risk-taking behaviour than older or fully mature individuals.\u201D This is not about excusing the behaviour; it is not about excusing the crime. It\u2019s about acknowledging that brain development for many young people needs to be considered as we look to at least try to get these young ones on to another path, a path away from crime.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EIn various data, if we delve further into the young people who are committing these crimes, we find that most have experienced family dysfunction and disadvantage. Eighty percent are male, and they often have a lack of a positive male role model in their life. We will find high rates of mental illness\u2014between 50 and 75 percent of the youth involved in the justice system meet diagnostic criteria for at least one mental or substance-use disorder. We will find learning difficulties\u2014one in five youth offenders has a learning disability, and 92 percent of the more serious young offenders have significant learning difficulties, with reading skills being particularly low. Also in this group, you\u2019ll often find a history of trauma and abuse, and most have some form of other mental health or specific learning disability.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s no doubt challenging circumstances here, but as I said, this bill is a move in the right direction. Also, in terms of the treatment of our young people, this bill does bring New Zealand more in-line with UNROC\u2014United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child. But more importantly than that, it is actually about changing lives. Thank you, Madam Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u0022ffd7a0889fc24657b0b7c3c360fde7a2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ffd7a0889fc24657b0b7c3c360fde7a2\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister for Children):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Can I thank the honourable members for their contribution. I\u2019ll do my best to answer the questions that I have been asked.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EJust to clarify for the Hon Alfred Ngaro the difference between Schedule 1A and non - Schedule 1A crimes. So first of all, I think it\u2019s worthy of making sure that the public understands that murder and manslaughter are in a completely different regime. So to murder somebody or kill somebody without intent\u2014which, you know, is my definition, I suppose, not a legal definition of manslaughter\u2014is a whole other regime. So regardless of what age you are, there is a way that that is treated by our justice system. But an example of Schedule 1A, for example, would be aggravated robbery as opposed to non - Schedule 1A, which would be robbery. Sexual violation would be a Schedule 1A. Obviously, it\u2019s 14-plus years, the seriousness of the crime. I thank the member for his questions, because I know one of the things that we run into when we\u2019re actually having this conversation with the general public\u2014and we talked about it today with the Social Services and Community Committee members\u2014is the public wants to know that their Government is also going to keep them safe. At the same time, it is to the benefit of the public that we change the direction of these young people, because the victims of crime are the young people. But that doesn\u2019t mean that we\u2019re going to minimise the crimes that some of these young people have done. So I thank the member for their question, and I hope that that has clarified that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EThe member also asked me to clarify clause 4H and what that means in the Supplementary Order Paper. So clause 4H in the actual bill clarifies that the circumstances where a charge can be transferred back to the Youth Court include where the young person is not guilty of the Schedule 1A crime; where the defendant applies to have the non - Schedule 1A separated\u2014so they can choose\u2014from the Schedule 1A once they are in the District Court, and the District Court has granted it. So they have to apply and get that clarity. Where the Schedule 1A charge is dismissed or withdrawn\u2014this clarifies that where there is no longer proceedings for the Schedule 1A, the non - Schedule 1A can be transferred back to the Youth Court.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003ENow, the reason for Supplementary Order Paper 247\u2014because the member will have already been through this as part of the main part of the bill\u2014is to give even greater clarity to that clause. So the clause is slightly amended in the Supplementary Order Paper\u2014for example, to ensure that a family group conference could be restated. Should it have switched from the Youth Court to the District Court because there was a Schedule 1A charge that has now been dismissed, it can actually\u2014the family group conference\u2014be restarted. Or, for example, we could refer to a youth hearing even though it might have started at the District Court. The purpose is we don\u2019t want to redo what we\u2019ve already done; we want to be able to bring information down. So, really, clause 4H\u2014there\u2019s just greater clarity inside that Supplementary Order Paper.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EThe Hon Louise Upston\u2014if I caught her contribution clearly, the main concern that she had was around the reason for the truncated select committee and why it took so long, after 20 months of this Government being in place, for me to bring this bill forward, knowing that we had to have it in place by 1 July 2019. The only explanation I have for her is that Oranga Tamariki has been working through the changes with the courts\u2014the District Courts and the High Court and the Youth Courts\u2014to see how all the changes that were implemented by the previous Government would interact. It wasn\u2019t until we were well on that pathway of making sure that we understood how that flow would go that we recognised that we needed to make these technical amendments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EI apologise if I have missed other questions from the member. Perhaps she might be able to be given the leeway to re-ask them, because I certainly want to make sure I do my best to answer all the queries from the Opposition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u0022bf7a6d9dfac74b5d874156d9637b056d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bf7a6d9dfac74b5d874156d9637b056d\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (National\u2014Taup\u014D):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. It was quite simple, and I thank the Minister for Children for her contributions. It was more around Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 247, which we now have before us. When a reasonably substantial Supplementary Order Paper is brought into the committee of the whole House, the opportunity to interrogate it is reduced. So it\u2019s really just some reassurance from the Minister around any unintended consequences.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EThe fact that she\u2019s just answered the question or concern that members of the Opposition had expressed earlier, around the time frames\u2014and for those that are just watching this debate, it\u2019s 12 June and this comes into effect on 1 July, with the significant changes to Oranga Tamariki. My question is more around unintended consequences, so rather than going through, in this committee stage, all of the changes in the SOP, just really kind of asking about what some of the key risks are that have been identified by officials through the process of formulating the SOP. I\u2019m just really wanting reassurance from the Minister, in this committee stage\u2014and this debate is just on Part 1\u2014that the changes to the Oranga Tamariki bill as a result of this SOP have been fully interrogated and there won\u2019t be any unintended consequences coming up to bite us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u002232a1374572b649ff9a5518e2a716dd3e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002232a1374572b649ff9a5518e2a716dd3e\u0022\u003EMAUREEN PUGH (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c432384be9234d6f998137a1d44fb7c1\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc20feafb1604924b0448321d565a12a\u0022\u003EMAUREEN PUGH\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry\u2014Madam Chair. Back in 2017, the then National-led Government initiated and passed the Children, Young Persons, and Their Families (Oranga Tamariki) Legislation Bill, and it truly was a transformational piece of work\u2014transformational in the way that it deals with our at-risk young people: young people in the youth services and in State care. I want to take this opportunity to congratulate the Minister for Children, the Hon Tracey Martin, for her support of that legislation and for the long-term direction of travel of Oranga Tamariki. As we canvassed in the Social Services and Community Committee this morning, it is that continuation of that work that is going to give Oranga Tamariki the longevity that it deserves, that it will survive beyond electoral cycles, and I think that is most important for the young people in New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe Social Services and Community Committee, as always, worked really hard on this bill. Given, as we\u2019ve heard, that we have had a shortened time period to work in, we do hope that we\u2019ve examined it very thoroughly and ended up with the detail that we have here in front of us tonight, because we certainly don\u2019t want to be coming back and revisiting the legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EI turn my attention to Part 1\u2014in particular, to the new sections inserted by clause 4G in the bill, which refer to managing related charges. For clarity, the related charges are those charges which are charged in relation to the Schedule 1 offences\u2014and thank you for your explanation of those, Minister. As we heard, those are the charges at the more serious end of the spectrum, the ones that will attract 14-plus years of imprisonment. Those charges are automatically heard in the District Court or the High Court for a 17-year-old, whereas the non - Schedule 1A offences for a 17-year-old will be dealt with in the Youth Court. Of course, those non - Schedule 1 offences are those of a less serious nature.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EUnder this new section 276AA, the court will be determining whether those non - Schedule 1A charges are related to the Schedule 1A charges for the purposes of determining where those charges will be heard\u2014which court they will be heard in. So if they\u2019re deemed to be related charges, then all of the charges will be heard in the adult court. This makes good sense, because what it does is it provides one pathway for the system\u2014we\u2019re not duplicating witnesses; we\u2019re not duplicating court time. So that makes good sense.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EBut my question, Minister, is: if the court determines that those related non - Schedule 1A charges are to be heard at the same time, in conjunction with the Schedule 1A charge in the adult court, will the defendant have the right of appeal about whether those charges are related? I anticipate that there could be some debate within the court system about whether they are technically related. Relating to the same issue, Minister: what will be those thresholds that will determine whether those non - Schedule 1A charges are, in fact, related to the Schedule 1 charge?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EBasically, those are my two questions to the Minister. I do think this is a critical opportunity for us to get this right for a very vulnerable part of our population and for those people who this legislation serves. I do take note that the Government members have not even devoted their time to taking call at this committee stage, and I do believe it warrants attention from all members of this House to ensure that we have it right for these young people. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u0022799935e8f17b4196a6fac15947517c06\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022799935e8f17b4196a6fac15947517c06\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister for Children):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Firstly, can I just address the question from the Hon Louise Upston. Thank you very much for the question, and I apologise that I didn\u2019t pick it up in the first contribution. The question was around whether we can be sure there\u2019s not going to be any unintended consequences around Supplementary Order Paper 247.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003ESo what does this Supplementary Order Paper do? It amends clauses in the bill that deal with the related charges, because this is, obviously, the piece that has given us our most attention at the moment. It improves the clarity of certain provisions in the bill by clarifying terminology to ensure that the new process for joining related charges is distinct from the existing Criminal Procedure Act 2011 provisions; ensuring that existing powers to join charges together can still be used in proceedings where there are multiple non - Schedule 1A charges or multiple Schedule 1A charges\u2014this also includes where the non - Schedule 1A charges are unrelated to the Schedule 1A charges\u2014clarifying the language of the bill relating to the transfer of proceedings back to the Youth Court if circumstances require it; and providing definitions for related charges\u2014Schedule 1A and non - Schedule 1A\u2014to support the interpretation of the related charges provision.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EUltimately, what the Supplementary Order Paper has tried to do is to give greater clarity to the conversations that the Social Services and Community Committee already had. So we realise\u2014and I hope to answer the member, Maureen Pugh\u2019s, questions shortly\u2014that this is the tricky bit. It\u2019s never as clear as one\u2014when we\u2019re talking about young people at this level of crime, we are talking about multiple incidents taking place just through one single action, really. So this is the piece that we\u2019re trying to get right. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EAgain, I just want to take a moment to acknowledge the work of the Social Services and Community Committee in the truncated period they were given to try and get this right for these 17-year-olds inside this system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EObviously\u2014and the Hon Louise Upston\u2019s question was around trying to make sure there\u2019d be no unintended consequences\u2014with any legislation that we put through, we do our best. We, as a Parliament, do our best, and we believe that we\u2019ve given extra clarity here to try and make sure that the courts and those that are involved with these young people as they go forward\u2014whether with Schedule 1A or non - Schedule 1A\u2014have the clarity that the intent of this Parliament will actually be able to be fulfilled. But, as I say, that is the answer that I have for the Hon Louise Upston, and I hope that I will be able to provide an answer to Maureen Pugh shortly. Kia ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 247 in the name of the Hon Tracey Martin to Part 1 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EPart 1 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002243c4da17fd85481dacc9e74393941776\u0022\u003EPart 2  Amendments to other enactments\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u002236ded8931daf450cba7f4c79bb6f1a8c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002236ded8931daf450cba7f4c79bb6f1a8c\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I also, too, want to take the line of the comments from the Minister in regards to seeking clarity, and that\u2019s the intent of the committee stage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EMy comments, then, I want to relate to Part 2, section 27, which relates to a further commentary on sections 12 and 13. So section 27 relates to the \u201CSection 11 amended, (Matters to which Commissioner must have regard in exercising functions and powers)\u201D\u2014this is in particular to the amendment to the Children\u2019s Commissioner Act 2003. I think it\u2019s critically important\u2014and it will relate to the other parts I want to relate to and I\u2019ll be asking the Minister to comment on that. The Minister will know that the Children\u2019s Commissioner has quite a critical role to both review and to ensure that the system at large is adhering to the intent, which is to provide the best provision possible in this regard and in regards to the youth justice system, and, especially in dealing with these cases, to try and address issues around recidivist behaviour and so forth but, more importantly, trying to look at that. So the section 27 then, for my mind, in extending the powers relates to sections 12 and 13. This is in regards to section 15 amended, with the amendment as \u201CGranting of bail to defendant who is 17 years of age\u201D and replacing \u201C17 years of age\u201D with \u201C18 years of age or younger\u201D. Subsection (2A) indicates a court that remands a defendant at any stage of the proceedings for the offence with which the defendant is charged, including for sentence, must release defendant on bail or otherwise subject to such conditions as it thinks fit if: the defendant is 17 years old; defendant is charged with, or convicted of, any offence in the District Court; the defendant has not previously been sentenced to imprisonment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo my question to the Minister in regards to bail, I suppose, in a sense, is the discretion that\u2019s been laid upon the court. The Minister made some comments around the safety and concern. Yes, the victims are quite often our young people that this regards but, also, too, we\u2019ve got a wider brief in scope to ensure the safety and concerns of the general public. So my question is just in regards to the Minister having confidence that the legislation covers enough discretion for the judiciary to make the appropriate decisions around that, both in regards to the granting of bail and also then, in some cases, staying in remand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EWe know that the Children\u2019s Commissioner had actually made commentary in regards to those in remand. I take the Minister\u2019s comment tonight about the Social Services and Community Committee hearing around Estimates and I applaud her for the provisions for youth justice residency that allows for those to be to be placed there. But there have been some comments by the Children\u2019s Commissioner which is that, in some cases, those that are occupying those residency places\u2014there\u2019s a varying degree of severity of those who should be there and who shouldn\u2019t be there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo the two parts to that question are: the discretion for the judiciary in regards to those who will be granted bail to ensure that their safety is concerned, and the general public\u2019s, and, also, too, when they are on remand whether there\u2019s the ability for the facility\u2014in this case the youth justice residential facility\u2014to be able to cope with the varying degrees of severity of the concern that may be raised in this as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI also, too, want to make that comment to clause 13, which talks about \u201CSection 17A amended (Restriction on bail if defendant charged with serious Class A drug offence)\u201D. I genuinely make this to the Minister because I have had constituent cases where there have been those in remand in those situations there. In one case, there was a situation in which the young person was assaulted and, again, it\u2019s the mix of those who are currently in that residence situation. The victims of crime are varied, because even those who are resident there have that happen to them. Then there\u2019s the challenge, I suppose, to the wider public, and giving confidence that the legislation allows for discretion to ensure that the safety of the public is not jeopardised because we put on bail a situation where a young person, potentially, could go on to create further harm. So those really are just my questions from Part 2. Everything else, I think, in there, from my mind, I think I have a satisfaction with, but I\u2019d like to put those questions to the Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u00221719f22674e1407d9977e5492d3013cd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221719f22674e1407d9977e5492d3013cd\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister for Children):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019d just like to go back and actually answer the question from Maureen Pugh with regard to if Schedule 1A charges are laid and non - Schedule 1A charges are connected to that, is there any right of repeal? So there is no formal right of repeal, but the defendant can apply for the charges to be separated in the District Court or the High Court under existing provisions in the Criminal Procedure Act. The threshold for determining relatedness is the definition which is in the Oranga Tamariki Legislation Bill on page 9, Part 1, clause 4G, subsection (6) of new section 276AA, which is that \u201CThe same incident or series of incidents as the offending for which charge A is filed\u201D and \u201Ca series of incidents is determined by: the time at which they occurred; the overall nature of the alleged offending; any other relationship between the alleged offending that the court considers relevant\u201D. So there is no formal right of appeal but the defendant can apply for the charges to be separated at the District Court or the High Court. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EJust to give a cursory answer to the Hon Alfred Ngaro, with regard to whether the judiciary\u2014when he\u2019s talking about bail and whether the judiciary has been consulted, and whether the Children\u2019s Commissioner\u2019s view has been incorporated in. He will be aware that Oranga Tamariki spends a lot of time talking with the Children\u2019s Commissioner and has a very strong working relationship with them. He will also be aware that the Family Court judges and so on have a very strong working relationship with Oranga Tamariki because, basically, they are the bodies who care and try to ensure that, as much as possible, we create a positive environment downstream for these young people. I have been informed that at the select committee process neither the judiciary nor the Children\u2019s Commissioner put forward a submission to make any changes to the legislation, so we take that as a very good sign.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EI think the only other parts that I probably can comment on there is not really around bail, because that is a conversation for the courts themselves. The courts decide where those young people are bailed to. But with regard to the conversation about how Oranga Tamariki is making changes around remand, certainly there were conversations that we had in the Social Services and Community Committee this morning where, through some of the changes\u2014and, again, it was through an iwi strategic partnership that we had changed the way that remand worked\u2014that had had a positive impact on giving the judiciary opportunities to then have different options with regard to bailing some of our young people. But, at the end of the day, bail is in the jurisdiction of the courts and so, therefore, I\u2019m sorry, I cannot comment further on that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u002252dad28c43eb4b5984fdc6d5fbc85535\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002252dad28c43eb4b5984fdc6d5fbc85535\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (National\u2014Taup\u014D):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to just pick up on the point that the Minister in the chair, Tracey Martin, was talking about in terms of Part 2 of this legislation\u2014which is the Oranga Tamariki Legislation Bill\u2014and, in particular, Subpart 1, which, in the Supplementary Order Paper (SOP), also refers to amendments to the Bail Act, because sometimes one of the challenges in not being able to bail someone\u2014and this includes a young person\u2014is there being a lack of a suitable address to bail someone to. So I think it does pick up on the importance of\u2014and whether or not the Minister considered building in additional changes to this legislation to be slightly more directive or to provide additional guidance in terms of the sorts of places that young people particularly, in this case age 17, could be bailed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EThe Minister talked about the Ng\u0101puhi Iwi Social Services home, which is clearly a very different model. So I\u2019m interested to know from the Minister\u2014and also based on the Children\u2019s Commissioner\u2019s concerns about the sorts of residencies that young people are going into\u2014whether there was consideration through this piece of legislation, and through the SOP, about changing the kind of facilities that could be used to address the issue of bail so that more young people had places they could be bailed to. I accept the Minister\u2019s point that it\u2019s the decision of the court in terms of whether to allow bail or not. But in terms of the conditions that sit behind whether or not the court makes that decision\u2014in terms of suitability of an address, suitability of the environment, the guidance, etc.\u2014whether or not that was considered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EJust for a moment, speaking on the flip side of it, because the Minister also raised\u2014you know, the concern of the public is that if a young person who\u2019s committed a serious offence, if they\u2019re in a situation where there\u2019s a decision to issue bail or not, the victims involved need to be satisfied that the community is safe. So it\u2019s kind of the double edge of this. I know when the policy was being originally discussed, there were very strong voices about the fact that the youth justice age shouldn\u2019t be increased, and I think we absolutely made the right decision. But it\u2019s about this particular Subpart in Part 2 in terms of amendments to the Bail Act, and my question is: was there further consideration, more around making it easier for young people to get bail by managing the underlying issues that mean bail isn\u2019t provided? That comes to the suitability of addresses for bail, and some of the other kind of practical examples.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EAgain, I know that there have been some practical examples where corrections have worked with defendants to assist them or to support their case in getting bail. Were there any extra areas that were considered and perhaps not included? If they weren\u2019t included, I\u2019d be keen to know what sorts of considerations they were.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u0022f7e29391702f404db30caec9b5b1260a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f7e29391702f404db30caec9b5b1260a\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister for Children):\u003C/span\u003E Just for clarity, the provisions for bail and remand are consequential amendments to raising the age of the young person, and to ensure that 17-year-olds in the District Court for serious charges can be subject to the reverse onus tests in the Bail Act. That means that the 17-year-old would have to satisfy the court that they could be bailed. I believe the Hon Louise Upston makes a very, very good point, and I think we have heard it from the Children\u2019s Commissioner and from others that, particularly in our rural areas, what we\u2019ve had is we\u2019ve had circumstances where young people have not been able to provide an address that the court believes is safe or appropriate for them to be bailed to. That means that they have then come inside a facility.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EAgain, there is only so much influence that the Parliament can literally have on the courts, them being independent bodies. But I do think that where we have influence is around the work to provide\u2014and I think it\u2019s the work where we have provided better remand while the young people are waiting to go to court that then has led on to the courts being more confident that the relationships and the homes that they can be bailed to are more appropriate. So I really feel that the Whangarei example that we talked about this morning is a real opportunity to start to change up some of the consequences\u2014unintended consequences\u2014that I believe we have seen for 17-year-olds.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EBut again, I do want to acknowledge and pick up on the fact, the Hon Louise Upston, that this is also about making sure that the public is safe, not just that this is the best pathway for a young person, for an up to 17-year-old, but that also we\u2019re not putting anybody else at risk. So these are finely balanced matters, but I do think we have, through some of our pilots, actually seen some examples of what could work and what we need to try further throughout the country. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u00229fcf540175a44a9594daad53325f9c6a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229fcf540175a44a9594daad53325f9c6a\u0022\u003EMAUREEN PUGH (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019d just like to expand on the conversation that we\u2019ve been having here tonight in this committee stage in relation to the bail facilities. But before I started, I thought I would take the time to acknowledge\u2014I did when I spoke to Part 1\u2014the Social Services and Community Committee. But I\u2019d like to use this opportunity to also acknowledge the officials who have worked with the committee over the period of the select committee process on this bill. I do thank them for responding so efficiently and effectively to our feedback as we teased out the details of this bill, because there was constant further information required. There was constant questioning of the ramifications of some of the parts of the bill. So I do acknowledge the officials. Even tonight, I can see they\u2019ve been really busy responding to this committee of the whole House. So thank you very much for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EI turn my attention to Part 2, \u201CNew Part 2 inserted into Schedule 1AA of [the] Bail Act 2000\u201D. I just would like to expand further on the bail conditions, because, as we did hear in the select committee earlier today, there have been plans made for facilities for remand and for bail. But as we know\u2014and I\u2019m very pleased that the Minister in the chair, Tracey Martin, raised it earlier\u2014about rural communities, and, possibly, we are going to have some, you know\u2014there won\u2019t be the same, probably, access to those facilities. But as we know, where we don\u2019t get those facilities, then someone being referred for bail could very easily be bailed into police custody. In some of those rural areas, that will mean a police cell, and, for a 17-year-old, effectively, going into solitary confinement, which is what a police cell would be. So how, Minister, will we address those facilities being evenly spread so that our young people who are being referred to bail or are on remand can actually be provided for in terms of those facilities?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EBut also to further expand on that, the ability for young people who are on remand, who are currently being referred into those residential custodial homes, and the mix that we\u2019ve got in there now of some of those older people, 17-year-olds, in some of those homes with younger people\u2014how we\u2019re going to keep other people inside those homes safe, and/or will there be some separation dependent on the age or the seriousness of the offences that they have been charged with? So a couple of issues around that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EOne of the other items that I\u2019d like to take the opportunity to address is around\u2014so that schedule refers to the commencement date. But as we know, the commencement date is 1 July. Can the Minister give us an assurance that the judiciary\u2014that those remand facilities are going to be in place, that the legal profession is going to be aware of the nuances within the bill in time for us for implementation on 1 July so that these issues around remand and bail can all be addressed in the right way. So if the Minister could address that, that would be very nice. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022 data-id=\u002202b91d0a05144160910b6efcdbf39fd4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002202b91d0a05144160910b6efcdbf39fd4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: I will call the Hon Tracey Martin\u2014just reminding members that the debate for title and commencement will come up shortly. It\u2019s OK to refer to it, but we won\u2019t debate that until we get to that particular part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u00227355cec3205b4ba4aa7be15d4f3f956e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227355cec3205b4ba4aa7be15d4f3f956e\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister for Children):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Just in response to some of the questions that have been posed, first of all, with regard to rural areas, can I assure the member that we have some of our community remand homes in extremely rural areas at the moment\u2014I\u2019m thinking particularly of Taup\u014D, and not in central Taup\u014D; out in the outskirts of Taup\u014D. One of the things that we want to do with regard to these remand facilities is actually make sure that we keep the young people who are able to be in community remand homes\u2014and this is really an important point: who are able to be in community remand homes\u2014as close as possible to their communities, because that\u2019s just been one of the downstream markers of failure, when we uplift them and take them away.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EBut I do want to assure the member, as I did this morning, that there is a process of triage. I want to assure the public that there is a process of triage around these young people. We do not place young people who are a danger to themselves or a danger to others in a community remand home. We have had young people over the last year inside these pilot homes, a number of them throughout New Zealand, and the fact that very few people know about them means that the staff-to-young-person ratio and the highly trained individuals that are there from Oranga Tamariki and the youth justice perspective have actually meant, and the triage process has meant, that that has worked.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EJust with regard to the separation of age, I would only suggest to the member\u2014and it\u2019s a danger that we fall into when we think about young people in Oranga Tamariki\u2019s care and in the youth justice system, that we make some assumptions about them. In my home, for example, I have had a 17-year-old, an 11-year-old, and an eight-year-old, and nothing untoward has happened because the parents are there and, you know, life goes on. Some of these young people certainly have committed a crime, and they have come into the care of Oranga Tamariki and they\u2019re in remand homes, but that doesn\u2019t necessarily make them a danger to anybody else as with regard to younger children. So, again, the triage is very important, and we very much have focused on that area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EI do just want to also say this, though, too: that Oranga Tamariki aims to prevent bail breach by providing more support for wh\u0101nau with a young person on bail and working with youth advocates, police, and the judiciary to understand bail breach risks and putting in place support. An example of what has been causing our young people to breach bail is that, literally, some of them have not understood what the rules were. That is a recognition that some of our young people have communication difficulties, dyslexia, dyspraxia. They might be on the mild autism spectrum; they may have mild foetal alcohol syndrome. We need to make sure we know our young people and put into place and deliver the messages in a way that they understand so that they don\u2019t unintentionally breach the bail conditions. This is part of what Oranga Tamariki is working on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003ESo I thank the members for their questions. I hope that I have answered them, but please rest assured that we certainly are trying to ensure that we have a rural lens as well as an urban lens over this situation, because we know that not all the young people who will find themselves in front of the Youth Courts are in cities. We want to make sure, however, that we don\u2019t just separate them from their communities. They are still our children where they are, where they have lived and socialised and had friends, but how can we support them in that community to take a different pathway?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022 data-id=\u0022973debc48c5844f0a05aee50311ddfd4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022973debc48c5844f0a05aee50311ddfd4\u0022\u003EAGNES LOHENI (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Just a small query that I have on one of the amendments in Subpart 2, but just before I get to that, I just want to touch on the cultural, I guess, initiatives, the Rangatahi and the Pasifika Courts, which haven\u2019t been discussed tonight but have been a very important feature of our justice system with regards to these young people. These are the courts that are either held on marae or in communities, and I know that there are 15 Rangatahi Courts around the country and there are two Pasifika Courts in Auckland. The figures have shown that when young people appear in the Rangatahi or Pasifika Courts, they end up committing 14 percent fewer offences and are 11 percent less likely to reoffend. So the community involvement in our justice sector is an important one, where the community can walk alongside these young people. It provides that cultural context. For many of these young people, there is an identity crisis, and often, given the situations, the homes that they come from, gang life becomes very attractive, and, clearly, that\u2019s not a path that we want them to be going down. So I just wanted to make mention of those courts in our sector.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EJust going back to the amendment inserted by clause 21, section 87 amended, \u201CRestraining orders\u201D, the new amendment in section 87 to replace : \u201C \u2018Where the court makes a declaration under section 67 in relation to a child or young person, it may, on or at any time after making [the] declaration,\u2019 with \u2018If, on an application under section 68, the court is satisfied that a child or young person is in need of care or protection\u2019 \u201D. I guess my question around that one is in terms of now, that extra year, that going up to 17\u2014what are the extra indicators or the measures that the court requires now to be satisfied that that young person is in need of care or protection? Is there anything different in terms of what will make the court satisfied in those cases? So that\u2019s just a bit of clarification, if that\u2019s possible, Minister, on that section 87 amended. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EPart 2 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022018275f14c224d4b9adf1b8835c6ed22\u0022\u003ESchedule 1\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000673\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 247 in the name of the Hon Tracey Martin to Schedule 1 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000674\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000675\u0022\u003ESchedule 1 as amended agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f4eef59e0bd24a719edce8aac1ff8480\u0022\u003ESchedule 2 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022500b4e96bb7348038a4e9ec2796081ea\u0022\u003ESchedule 3 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f9633b38e17a4d668b6b7b2c9829a8a9\u0022\u003ESchedule 4 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000679\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00228bd39ccfb9624ee19874fd6b2a88b67d\u0022\u003ESchedule 5 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000680\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bafa413501b449b99dbd81dac15b737e\u0022\u003ESchedule 6 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00221b6e47e8614d48fbb42410ea32942852\u0022\u003ESchedule 7 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002220e70d22f4364a01907ff358f72b634f\u0022\u003ESchedule 8 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002220803a8aac314847926c3c391636417c\u0022\u003EClauses 1 and 2\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u0022d41c558ac1c548bf82382cc0710d3165\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d41c558ac1c548bf82382cc0710d3165\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E One and two\u2014I take it this is the title?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022642dbebad05f4499ad8e9b80dcaa9876\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Title and commencement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022584ab5991a9c4e17ac9ab1766dd6f126\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: Correct. I just want to make a brief comment, really. We progress through\u2014and I know there\u2019s been a change in regards to Oranga Tamariki, from Ministry for Vulnerable Children. My comments, really, are not to take away from where we are now. I\u2019m happy with where we are\u2014Oranga Tamariki. Just my simple comment I want to make to that is that the designation of seeing Ministry for Vulnerable Children reminded us of the task at hand. Oranga Tamariki, obviously, is the sense of wellbeing, \u201Ctamariki\u201D meaning all children. My hope, to the Minister, is that we don\u2019t forget, and I think today was a great moment in which we actually reminded ourselves of why we\u2019re here. I want to acknowledge Agnes Loheni and others that were there, and even yourself, Minister, where your words were: \u201CLet us never forget that moment, because those are moments that remind us.\u201D So just in the title, we were always challenged with asking the question \u201CWhat will help us never forget our reasons why?\u201D, and I just want to make comment that the vulnerable children, though there was a lot of debate\u2014let\u2019s be aspirational.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI remember being in Canada where we went to the hospital there, and it\u2019s actually called the Hospital for Sick Children. I laughed and I thought, well, that\u2019s really strange. They asked me why I was laughing. I said, \u201CWell, do you know what we call our children\u2019s hospital in Auckland? It\u2019s called Starship.\u201D So it was aspirational and so forth, but it did make me think that sometimes if we\u2019re not careful, we can forget about the \u201Cwhy\u201D. I suppose it\u2019s just finding those moments, and I just want to make that comment, Minister, that we did have that moment where we reminded ourselves of that. We have the family violence task force, we have sexual violence collectives, because we remind ourselves of our why while we\u2019re there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo we\u2019re here. Oranga Tamariki we\u2019ve accepted, I suppose, along the way, and today was, I think, a very important moment for us. It just reminds us that sometimes in a title it\u2019s easy to negate that and say, \u201CNo, we just want to be aspirational.\u201D, but we\u2019re dealing with the tough end in town. We\u2019re dealing with the most difficult situations of abuse and neglect. We\u2019re dealing with difficult situations that you have to deal with, I know, every day, Minister, and the officials. I want to just acknowledge all our front-line workers, who are out there doing really tough work, and the mahi that they are doing. Yes, Oranga Tamariki reminds them of what the goal and the vision is, and sometimes we need to be reminded about the tough work that they have to face every day, making really tough decisions. So I just want to make that comment about the name and just thank you for this morning, as well. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u00224dddf116ab354f8d844ac70b3cf35e1b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224dddf116ab354f8d844ac70b3cf35e1b\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister for Children):\u003C/span\u003E Can I just acknowledge the speaker who just resumed his seat, Alfred Ngaro, and the real passion and commitment that he makes to this particular topic. It is aspirational\u2014I understand what he says with regard to the change of name. I got this role and the name had already been put in place, and I took out the word \u201Cvulnerable\u201D. But I want to explain that it wasn\u2019t actually a political move on my part, and it didn\u2019t have to do with any of the arguments that had taken place before. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EI\u2019m also the Minister who works on the Child and Youth Wellbeing Strategy. At the moment, that is run out of the Prime Minister\u2019s office. The Child and Youth Wellbeing Strategy is to set a direction for New Zealand where every single member of New Zealand asks themselves \u201CHow are my actions affecting the wellbeing of children?\u201D. At the moment, Oranga Tamariki\u2014Ministry for Children is not strong enough to be the ministry which holds Government departments to account for the answer to that question, but eventually I hope they are. So it isn\u2019t actually about vulnerable children; it is about all our children and all of us being held to account. How are our actions every single day affecting the wellbeing of our children? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the member, though, because I know he\u2019s passionate about making a difference for children. I acknowledge the Opposition, because this is a House that believes in this. But for me, the removal of that name was about that longer-term goal that eventually Oranga Tamariki will be strong enough and every Government department will have to answer that question: how are your actions affecting the wellbeing of our children? Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EClause 1 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000693\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 247 in the name of the Hon Tracey Martin to clause 2 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EClause 2 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EThe Chairperson reported the bill with amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002245c0a43813764a52bc13efa0cd12bd94\u0022\u003EBuilding Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c3fc21ecfcb144a9a7591b6238a78709\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000701\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 11 June.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u0022009edcef88b44b71bd96d6b27f080d7e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022009edcef88b44b71bd96d6b27f080d7e\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E Assalam o alaikum. Thank you so much, Madam Deputy Speaker. It\u2019s a pleasure to complete my third reading on the Building Amendment Bill. It amends the Building Act 2004 so that we can take the steps we need to safeguard people in our buildings. Safety is a paramount concern of the Building Act and it must be at the centre whenever we think about buildings. This also includes threats to the social and economic welfare of New Zealand, because when buildings fail, they harm lives and people\u2019s livelihoods. When we think about wellbeing, we need to think about all the ways and the risks that surround building failure, and the following disruption that can hurt people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003EThe changes I\u2019m seeking to the Building Act are common-sense changes. The legislation builds on our experiences with Christchurch as well as Kaik\u014Dura, and on the many other times buildings were tested to the limit and failed. It fills the gaps in the existing framework for managing buildings in two specific ways. Firstly, it gives the front-line emergency responders the tools and powers they need to react quickly and effectively. Secondly, it ensures that we can be even better at learning from building failure. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003EThis has required considerable thinking and rethinking about how we approach buildings and where the expertise and the responsibilities really sit. In the last year alone, we tackled the thorny issues by sitting down with people who represent the many different sides of the response to buildings when they fail and talking through the challenges that we all face and the role of central government. We tackled issues such as: first, the interplay of these new provisions with the existing civil defence and emergency management framework; second, ensuring that our people using these powers on the ground are immune from civil proceedings and are not unfairly punished when acting in good faith; and third, the careful balance between acting quickly and decisively to protect public safety and maintaining a healthy respect for the rights of building owners. This thorough and inclusive approach to legislating has paid off with a sensible bill that I have every confidence will make a real difference. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003EThe first change to the Building Act is in the space of managing buildings after an emergency event, and this bill introduces an end-to-end process from response right through to recovery. It ensures a smooth transition between states of emergency and transition periods for the ongoing management of buildings, as well as addressing problems with how well the current Building Act powers can be used to manage buildings damaged following an emergency. The proposed provisions that improve how we manage these buildings after an emergency include the following: the ability for the Minister for Building and Construction to take direct action and make decisions to manage buildings in a significant emergency event; second, new powers for responsible persons to manage buildings during and after an emergency event, including inspecting and requiring works to be carried out; third, clarifications on the use and timings of powers which reflect the extended time frames required to manage buildings; fourth, particular requirements around the decision to carry out works on important heritage buildings; and fifth, a framework for specifically recognising personal and property rights, including criteria that governs consultation and the use of these powers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003EThe second change in this bill is in the space of improving how we can learn from buildings that fail. The bill provides the central building regulator, which is the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE), with a clear set of legislative powers to investigate significant building failures that did or could have resulted in serious injury or death. This will mean we can determine why they failed. This will enable MBIE, either on its own initiative or at the request of the Minister for Building and Construction, to investigate the circumstances and causes of building failure, including securing the site to be investigated, entering a property, carrying out inspections, requiring information, sharing relevant information related to the building failure with regulatory bodies, and publishing reports and findings. In closing, I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022 data-id=\u0022a2519b3cc671434cb99c99ae4a30656f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a2519b3cc671434cb99c99ae4a30656f\u0022\u003EANDREW BAYLY (National\u2014Hunua):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you. It\u2019s a pleasure to be speaking on this third reading of the Building Amendment Bill. I congratulate the Minister Jenny Salesa for bringing this bill through the House\u2014her first bill, and that\u2019s very good in terms of the building and construction sector. I also acknowledge my colleague, the former Minister for Building and Construction, the Hon Dr Smith, who\u2019s sitting here behind me, as the person who actually initiated this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003EI think it\u2019s very important to realise that this bill did have its genesis with the National Party, and it\u2019s good that the Government\u2019s carried it on into fruition, and I thank the Minister for that. As she has noted, this is about dealing with those situations where there\u2019s been a tremendous and terrible act. It may be a seismic act or something that\u2019s really created mayhem. It is very important, at that point, that the public is kept safe from walking near those buildings that may have been damaged; also that the occupants of those buildings are kept safe. They may be tenants, such as people living in apartments, but also may be business tenants. Then you\u2019ve got the rights of the private people who may own those buildings, and all of those rights come together in a time of mayhem, where there are competing claims, there are competing interests, but the primary thing is about making sure that everyone is safe. The important thing about this bill is that in making sure that we look after these buildings and come up with ways of dealing with them when there has been such an event, the disruption is kept to an absolute minimum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003EThis bill makes some amendments, both to the Civil Defence Emergency Management Act but also to the Search and Surveillance Act. So it\u2019s not just about the bill itself. It has about three or four key parts to it. First of all it talks about a responsible person. This is the person who has the right to go in and either put a notice on a building or require demolition or whatever\u2014quite extensive powers. Those responsible persons are defined as local authorities or people who are acting under the guidance of the Minister. What they will do is they should\u2014and I note this in section 133BN(c) of the bill\u2014\u201Cresult in minimal restriction of [an individual] to continue to use and occupy property and any restriction of that ability should be for no longer than is reasonably necessary:\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003EThe other parts of the powers are the power, actually, to enter these damaged buildings, and also work to reduce or remove the risk. What the Transport and Infrastructure Committee considered was allocating different approaches for different levels of risk. In section 133BU there are three levels of risk specified. One is the urgent works when there\u2019s obviously immediate danger and things need to be done very, very promptly, and that may mean a street closure; it may mean a total ban on entering the building; it may even mean quite a curtilage around that building if, for instance, it was in the process or could possible fall.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003EThen there\u2019s the second category, which is it works to remove or reduce other risks. So this is the next layer down. The building\u2019s still standing, but there might be parapets or balconies or there\u2019s damage around the building or materials lying around that building that need to be removed, and they need to be removed promptly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003EThen the third level of risk covers works for long-term use or occupation of building. So this is in that phase where you\u2019re now looking to reoccupy the building as quickly as possible. Then there\u2019s the real point about this bill. What we do want to see under this bill is to see the opportunity to learn from failures\u2014when buildings fail as a result of seismic events. The classic is the Statistics House down on the waterfront in Wellington, where it was going through a period of repair but two floors collapsed. The opportunity to go in and learn around that and to be able to assess those dangers and also use that information as a way to make sure other buildings that are of a similar design are made safe. We\u2019ve seen that already as a result of Statistics House, where the footings on the hollow-core floors were too small\u201450 millimetres\u2014and currently, in many buildings across the country, and particularly here in Wellington, the footings that hold or support those hollow-core floors are being extended to make them safe in the event of a significant seismic activity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022859e13f9-33bb-41bb-b2f0-d848eaf25407\u0022\u003ESo I think we\u2019ve talked about this bill a lot. It\u2019s a good piece of legislation. It\u2019s reasonable. We\u2019ve been very mindful of making sure that the rights of individuals and owners and occupiers are protected and to minimise the level of disruption. I also just want to say thank you to the committee, and also to the officials that worked with us on this bill, and I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u00225ec57ba6d49f47d4b1583fb0d1554b0d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225ec57ba6d49f47d4b1583fb0d1554b0d\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Housing and Urban Development):\u003C/span\u003E The Minister responsible for the Building Amendment Bill, the Hon Jenny Salesa, described the provisions of this bill as common-sense changes. I think the fact that there\u2019s agreement across the House and there was clearly a very constructive committee process to get the bill to this point is probably testament to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EI want to underline the comments that Jenny Salesa made at the beginning of her speech on an earlier sitting day, when she acknowledged the work of Nick Smith, the former Minister, who oversaw all the policy work and the beginnings of the legislative process for this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThis bill strikes me as being just one of many ripples, really, out from the Canterbury earthquakes\u2014policy and institutional changes that have been in response to those disasters, both the Canterbury quakes and the Kaik\u014Dura quakes, as we try to build more resilience into the system and ensure that our policies and our institutions are able to respond in a serious way to the risk and the damage done by those disasters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EWell, as the previous speakers have said, there are two main parts to the bill. The first is about managing buildings after an emergency event, and the bill introduces this process for managing buildings following an emergency, from response through to the recovery phase. It includes the ability for the Minister to take direct action and make decisions to manage buildings during a significant emergency. It gives new powers to manage buildings during and after the event, including inspecting and requiring works to be carried out, clarifications on the use and timings of powers, and, in particular, requirements around the decision to carry out works on important heritage buildings. It provides a framework for recognising personal and property rights, including the criteria governing the use of the powers and consultations. So there\u2019s a fair bit of thought that\u2019s gone into ensuring that there\u2019s a framework so that the new powers that are included in the bill have to be exercised within those constraints.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThe select committee process came up with some proposals that were incorporated into the bill: the reference to an \u201Cindividual\u201D replacing the phrasing \u201Cowner or occupier\u201D in order to be consistent with other provisions, and a new section was inserted to give a responsible person\u2014a police constable, in the case of evacuations\u2014a clear power to enter a building or land for specified reasons. Those reasons include evacuations, measures to keep people at a safe distance, notices and signs on buildings, urgent works to remove or reduce risks, and works for long-term use or the occupation of the building. There were also changes made at select committee around the directions to carry out work, and there were provisions to empower responsible persons to direct that work be carried out. They were amended to clarify that the notices must describe the outcomes rather than just describe the work itself.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThe second part of the bill is really about investigating building failures, and it proposes amendments to the Building Act that give the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE), as the regulator, a clear set of legislative powers to investigate building failures that did or could have resulted in serious injury or death. It gives MBIE the power to investigate the circumstances and the causes of building failure, including securing the site, entering a property, carrying out inspections, requiring information, and sharing relevant information related to the building failure with the relevant regulatory bodies. Again, the select committee inserted a provision that would provide for follow-up investigations as an additional measure.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003ESo I just want to add my words of acknowledgment to all the work that\u2019s been done over the last few years in getting this bill to the final stage in the process. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022 data-id=\u00222583dccc317f4b9f94613e4823d885f4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222583dccc317f4b9f94613e4823d885f4\u0022\u003EALASTAIR SCOTT (National\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E I thought Dan Bidois was going to take a call as he stood up to take a glass of water or something. I thought, \u201CHave I got the right seat?\u201D But I do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EIt is a pleasure to rise in support of this bill. I would like to acknowledge also Nick Smith, the member who initiated what we are debating and finalising today. It does take some time. I also would like to acknowledge Darroch Ball, the chairman of the Transport and Infrastructure Committee, and also all the members of the committee. It was certainly a constructive committee. It was a committee that recognised that there were some issues in the original bill. It acknowledged the importance of the various interests involved. When we appoint someone with power\u2014an officer\u2014to do certain things and have certain rights which will override, essentially, private property rights, it\u2019s important to make sure that that balance is sensible, fair, reasonable, and acceptable to the community, because if it is not acceptable to those people, then, of course, people just would not accept it and they would not allow officers of the territorial local authority to carry out their duties in an orderly manner.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EI understand that during the Christchurch earthquakes that was not the case, but you can imagine a situation where you have some service trying to get into a building to assess the damage, to make some decisions on whether the building should be closed down, barricaded, or demolished, and someone holds the whole process up because it is their property and they have the right to not allow this official into their property\u2014\u201CI will not allow you to carry out these inspections.\u201D and so on and so forth. So they\u2019re the two balancing interests that we\u2019re talking about, and the committee was aware of the sensitivity around private property rights and we struck, I think, a very good balance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EIt is important and, as has been explained already, there are three levels of risk. It is important that someone is in charge\u2014that there is an officer that has the authority to do certain things, and that we don\u2019t have a bunch of chiefs and no Indians. In this case, we have a chief, a person who has the authority to direct certain actions, and that\u2019s for the benefit of the community\u2014to enable, for example, police or fire services through a particular area. It might mean barricading certain areas off, to the inconvenience of some but for the benefit of the majority. So those powers are essential for those actions to take place, and that is a very good part of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EIt was also constructive in the committee when we considered heritage buildings. That wasn\u2019t initially in the proposal, and we banged that around and we got to a good space there to consider those historic buildings, when considering action to be taken.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003EThe second part of the bill was the learning experience that any disaster is going to bring, and, again, it enables the Ministry for Business, Innovation and Employment officials to investigate in places where, some might say, they obviously did not have the power to do so prior to this bill. It enables them to go in to ask engineers, \u201CRight, I want to see those plans that were used to construct this building.\u201D I want some information from the architect to say, \u2018How on earth did you manage to design this building? It fell over and it\u2019s only 10 years old. Where was the professionalism? Where was the information? How did you arrive at this decision?\u2019 \u201D\u2014so that we can learn from the disaster, so that it might not happen again, and so that the professions can learn as well, and to give an openness and transparency that was not there before the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e6b7aaa-8157-4d5e-9940-1bdbcd61ae95\u0022\u003ESo that\u2019s the second part of the bill, which certainly adds to the learning, the ability, of the community to ensure that this experience of the earthquakes in Kaik\u014Dura and Christchurch can be of benefit. Because, of course, what are we? The Shaky Isles. We will have another earthquake. We will have another issue. We will have tsunamis. We will have natural disasters. Who knows, we might even have a volcano go off in Auckland. It will happen, it\u2019s a matter of timing, and we need to be prepared for it, and this bill goes a long way towards that. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u0022b78571a0acd84a69b4503237704167ce\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b78571a0acd84a69b4503237704167ce\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK (Minister of Defence):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I rise to signal that New Zealand First will, of course, be supporting this legislation through its third reading and welcomes the final enactment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000729\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI want, firstly, to start in the same manner that some other members have spoken and acknowledge the Hon Nick Smith, who commenced this work. I want to acknowledge the Transport and Infrastructure Committee because, clearly, they have given the bill good scrutiny, good diligence, and the amendments that they have recommended have all been incorporated. I particularly thank Alastair Scott, the member for Wairarapa, for acknowledging Darroch Ball, who, from all accounts, is doing a sterling job of chairing that select committee and has managed to establish quite a high level of collegiality, from what I\u2019m told. That is always constructive. It reminds me of when I was on the Local Government and Environment Committee, which was chaired then by the Hon Scott Simpson. We always found that committees such as that, which had a high level of collegiality and were focused on what was right for the country overall, produced very good results, as his committee did back in the last term, when I was privileged to be on it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000730\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI think I could go through each and every part of the bill again, but all the previous speakers before me have nailed off all of the relevant comments. I would like to note, though, that some of the submitters\u2014Local Government New Zealand, Christchurch City Council in particular, and Historic Places Aotearoa\u2014made submissions on the bill and all recognised that the proposals in this bill intend to fill evident legislative gaps that some councils had to manage recently post Canterbury and Kaik\u014Dura, and I\u2019m thinking particularly of Kaik\u014Dura District Council and others. In general, the bill has received their endorsement and their support. I can say\u2014and, clearly, it is based on the recommendations put to the Government through the royal commission on the Canterbury earthquakes, and the Regulations Review Committee and its inquiry into Parliament\u2019s legislative response to future national emergencies\u2014that all of those were considered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000731\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s interesting for me; I always look with a degree of satisfaction on legislation such as this because it does signal that, when we have had disasters such as we faced in Christchurch and Kaik\u014Dura, we have not been shy at looking at what happened and asking ourselves the questions: could we have done things better, can we learn from the lessons, can we improve? And I know from talking to my family members who were first responders in the Christchurch earthquake and also Kaik\u014Dura\u2014my son-in-law Scott Shadbolt received the fire service valour award, the first recipient in 106 years, and one of only three ever to receive that award in history. When Scotty and I would sit and talk about some of the challenges they faced, these same questions came up. For urban search and rescue, there were some very clear challenges as to rights to enter. For my son Paul, who was a police officer on the beat at the time that the quake hit in Christchurch, these very same questions came up. They just got on and did what they had to do, along with all the other police officers and first responders there as well, but it was right and proper that Parliament, through the royal commission, had a look back at what happened, at what the issues were, at what the impediments were, and at how we might learn from that and what legislative changes were necessary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000732\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI compliment the Hon Nick Smith for bringing the bill to the House. I compliment the Hon Jenny Salesa for seeing it through the committee. The legislative changes are smart. I\u2019m not going to go through them all and repeat the very same words that have already been spoken in this House before me. I\u2019m simply going to conclude by thanking the select committee for its work, its diligence, and acknowledging that once again this is a piece of legislation going through the House with the unanimous support of all parties. I know we might have said it a few times, but sometimes people out on the hustings and the shock jocks on the radio like to focus on Parliament and bring all the attention to what happens in question time and the general debate. It is somewhat, I guess, disappointing that they don\u2019t see Parliament at its best, when select committees are doing the work such as this before us now, and see the results being passed at a couple of minutes to nine in the evening, when all MPs are here working. I congratulate the House and just conclude by saying New Zealand First supports the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022 data-id=\u00221ee3719a07404dcd9cbd5beacb137a3f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000733\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221ee3719a07404dcd9cbd5beacb137a3f\u0022\u003ETIM VAN DE MOLEN (National\u2014Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It\u2019s a privilege to take a call at the third reading, now, of the Building Amendment Bill. I\u2019d just like to start by picking up on the previous speaker, Ron Mark\u2019s, comments there. What we\u2019ve seen with a number of pieces of legislation is that there has indeed been a high level of congeniality, which is encouraging and reassuring and exciting to see. I think, perhaps, it\u2019s a reflection of the high-quality legislation drafted under the previous Government, in this case started by the Hon Dr Nick Smith, which, of course, then becomes a lot easier to support for all sides of the House and we proceed duly from there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000734\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003ESo, with that little bit of jest, just delving into a few of the details in relation to this bill: really, it\u2019s about creating a clearer process so that whenever we have a terrible situation such as an earthquake, there is a clearly defined system for working through the aftermath of that. I\u2019d just like again to commend the previous speaker on the award obtained by his son-in-law. I\u2019m sure he was a proud father-in-law at that moment, and rightly so. The first responders do a fantastic, dangerous job as well, but we also need to be mindful of the next steps, and that\u2019s what we\u2019re addressing in a number of manners through this third reading of this Building Amendment Bill\u2014the powers that we\u2019re looking at there in terms of managing buildings through those emergencies but also providing the ability to check, to learn, and to grow, in terms of our knowledge from what has happened in those situations, with a view to trying to prevent that happening again. Those are some really important aspects that are covered quite well under this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000735\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s a balancing act because, on the one hand, we\u2019ve had such examples of seismic activity and there\u2019s a significant safety risk\u2014and, of course, safety is paramount; we have to be taking that into consideration\u2014but, on the other hand, we have property rights: the rights of use for the owners or the occupiers of a particular building or adjacent property. So it is a balancing act between that. We want to make sure that people are as safe as possible but we don\u2019t want to impact unnecessarily on their property rights and usage any more than is necessary to get that balance right. So I think this bill does that quite nicely in terms of the powers given to responsible persons based on the assessment of the building and whether it is urgent in terms of the work it needs or less urgent but still definitely needs some work. It sets out different processes for each of those stages so that people can be clear of where that sits and what the process is for managing through that. Of course, there\u2019s always an element of subjectivity in terms of where a property might sit within that and how that assessment is made, but this bill certainly helps to clear up a lot of that previous ambiguity in relation to those considerations. It also outlines, then, who is a responsible person, who is able to make these decisions, and what their powers then subsequently are once they have acted within that as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000736\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003ENow, one of the points that I did just want to touch on, and this is something I brought up throughout the different stages of debate on this bill as well, was in relation to the consideration for adjacent landowners or occupiers if there\u2019s no building on that adjacent land. So section 133BV talks about the outlines\u2014the process\u2014when we\u2019re in a situation where works need to be done to remove or reduce risk but it\u2019s not the \u201Curgent\u201D level. So this is slightly less serious and, therefore, the responsible person comes in and has a different set of powers compared to if it was the urgent situation, and part of that requires them to consult with the owner and occupiers of, firstly, the damaged building but also neighbouring buildings that are impacted by that if, for example, a perimeter has to be set up\u2014a cordon\u2014to ensure safety within that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000737\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EBut what it doesn\u2019t cater for is the requirement to talk to the owner or occupier of adjacent bare land. The example I gave in the earlier stage was around a carpark which could have its use impacted by having a cordon put in place, perhaps through the middle of it, yet they\u2019re not required to be consulted under this because they are not an adjacent building; they\u2019re simply adjacent land. It doesn\u2019t specify the requirement to talk to adjacent land users; simply building owners and occupiers. It does require the responsible person to talk to anyone who has an interest in the land on which the impacted or the damaged building sits, but not on adjacent land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000738\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EThat was one area that I did raise during the committee stage as well. I wasn\u2019t entirely comfortable with what the Minister sought to give an assurance on in that space but, hopefully, such situations would be unlikely to occur and, if they were, then there may be an element of practical implementation or interpretation of what the intent would be for that property, should a building be on it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000739\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EOn the balance of it, I think we\u2019ve got a pretty good bill here. It pretty well encompasses the requirements in terms of managing that initial process after the event and where those powers sit, depending on the severity of the damage to their property and neighbouring properties. Look, we are happy to support this bill and see it come into effect so that in future instances we can, one, protect people as best as possible and also protect their rights, and, lastly, make sure we can learn from such situations as well. So National commends this bill to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u0022fdcfb89de39645eda7ccd49ee12294dc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000740\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fdcfb89de39645eda7ccd49ee12294dc\u0022\u003EMARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E Hello, Madam Deputy Speaker. Thank you. By all accounts, it seems that the Building Amendment Bill is a good piece of work and a good piece of legislation, but a good piece of work where from across the House and the select committee process MPs have worked hard to try and get a good piece of legislation up to address the problem and the issues that were identified after, for example, the Christchurch and Kaik\u014Dura earthquakes, where it was found that the provisions under the Building Act were not fit for the purpose of managing dangerous and insanitary, unsafe buildings. Following a major disaster, everything is literally turned upside down. Normal life doesn\u2019t apply, so we needed some flexibility, fit for purpose legislation, to be able to deal in good time with what needed to happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000741\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EAs others have said, the least we can do from those challenging situations and crises is to learn from them and learn how we can do better. All of the issues have been canvassed really well across the House tonight. I\u2019m happy to take a short call simply to put the Green Party on record to throw our support behind this work. Of course, I note that it originally started with the National Party and was finally picked up and carried on by the Minister now. Just very quickly, the Building Amendment Bill puts up a new system for managing buildings after an emergency, particularly around investigating building failures. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000742\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI just remembered when I was working for the Human Rights Commission back at the Christchurch earthquakes and how my colleagues in their Christchurch office were completely kept out, as were all of their equipment and resources, and that we needed to balance tenants, occupants, building owners, and safety and hazard risks. So it\u2019s good\u2014it\u2019s good, this piece of work that is happening here tonight in the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000743\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EThe bill puts up new processes and new powers to bridge that immediate response, you know, right through to the completed recovery. I did note, with personal interest, the new powers from the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment to enter, inspect, and close off buildings for three years following an event. I think those were the main points that I wanted to take the opportunity to raise. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000744\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI did note with personal interest that there are particular provisions protecting heritage buildings, which would include heritage marae if registered. It would be interesting to see how that situation might play out if we ever have to face it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000745\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003ELastly, the bill is just balancing private property interests, reducing risks to public safety, and whether the constitution of the building might be compromised during an earthquake. So it is sensible, good work being done. I\u2019m very proud to be a part of it. I commend this bill to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022 data-id=\u0022ef90abed3f7746b8a5c7059df9911a40\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000746\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ef90abed3f7746b8a5c7059df9911a40\u0022\u003EHon SCOTT SIMPSON (National\u2014Coromandel):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I\u2019d like to join with others across the House tonight in supporting this piece of legislation. There\u2019s an air of good, practical common sense about this piece of legislation, because at a time of emergency, stresses and tensions are running high amongst all people concerned and it\u2019s a challenging time not only for those that are seeking to provide support and assistance from an emergency services point of view, but also for property owners, homeowners, and individuals alike. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000747\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EI recall that back after the Kaik\u014Dura earthquakes, of course, it was actually metropolitan Wellington that was affected quite significantly. Particularly, I had an opportunity to be involved during a period of time in my term as Minister of Statistics trying to assist Stats NZ in coming to terms with the process that they had to go through after Statistics House was deemed to be no longer able to be used, and people were not even able to go back after that earthquake and collect personal items, handbags, computer gear, personal pieces of memorabilia\u2014the sorts of things that people keep on their desks at their workplace, those sorts of things. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000748\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EIf those sorts of considerations are then extended to the home residential domestic situation, there are also all kinds of stresses and tensions that apply in that situation, even more so where there are joint boundaries or common walls, common connections between multi-residential dwelling houses. I\u2019m thinking particularly of those 1970s style of townhouses and things that were typically joined together by a common shared garage or wall or whatever. They were on cross-lease titles, and in many cases there were all kinds of situations in Christchurch and Kaik\u014Dura where complications arose.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000749\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EThis bill seeks to establish a level of just common-sense practicality about, as a matter of first principle, preserving human life and reducing risk to human life, but then, literally, after there has been an opportunity for a little bit of calmness, to start applying some considered thought to how to ease the stresses and strains that are there for property owners. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000750\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EThe only other point that I\u2019d like to make tonight in support of this legislation is that there\u2019s been a lot of talk about emergency situations involving earthquakes, but those, of course, are not the only emergency situations that take place. My electorate, the beautiful Coromandel electorate, has one of the longest coastlines of any in the country\u2014something close to 500 kilometres of coastline. Regrettably, from time to time, we are the victim of serious weather events. There was one in January 2017 where roads were taken out, people weren\u2019t able to get to their homes, businesses were closed off for several days at a time, and then there were a number of dwelling houses and places of business that were uninhabitable. So this piece of legislation will apply to situations like that as long as a state of emergency has been declared. That\u2019s the trigger, as I understand it, for the practical aspects of this legislation to come into effect. It\u2019s not only just earthquakes. There will be other situations of emergency where the common-sense and practical provisions of this legislation will come into effect. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000751\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EI didn\u2019t have the pleasure of sitting in on the Transport and Infrastructure Committee, but I\u2019m delighted to hear that the collegial nature of the committee worked well and it was able to bring back to the House for this third reading a good piece of legislation. As the Hon Ron Mark commented, so often people who are not part of this place sometimes don\u2019t see the Parliament of New Zealand working collaboratively, as they have on this piece of legislation, for the ultimate benefit of New Zealand citizens and their property rights. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u00228e21dc99a7ed414f9bafc9e40b688543\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000752\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228e21dc99a7ed414f9bafc9e40b688543\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: This is a split call. I call the Hon Aupito William Sio.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022 data-id=\u0022ea67536e4837486bb5e8bae1b7a58873\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000753\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ea67536e4837486bb5e8bae1b7a58873\u0022\u003EHon AUPITO WILLIAM SIO (Minister for Pacific Peoples):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m happy to rise and support this bill at the third reading. Just judging by the tempo and the tone of remarks from speeches that have already been given, it seems that this House is united in support of this bill. It also reflects that there appears to be a consensus view in this House that safety is an issue that all members are concerned about. So it\u2019s quite fitting, because this bill aims to address the risks and harms caused from the collapse of buildings and properties.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000754\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EI suppose, when you consider that we live in a beautiful country, but a beautiful country that, in the context of climate change, has become quite unpredictable and vulnerable to not only coastal erosion, as the previous speaker made mention of, but the scientists are saying that the climatic conditions nowadays are hotter, wetter, and drier\u2014and I think we\u2019ve seen of late how our airports have also closed as a result and consequence of fog and strong winds. All scientific material that I have read suggests that\u2014as one of the speakers earlier said\u2014it\u2019s so unpredictable now and that we can expect more and more natural disasters. Indeed, the suggestion is that not only will the natural disasters be regular but they\u2019ll be more intense. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000755\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003ESo it is fitting that the Hon Jenny Salesa has been able to introduce this bill late last year and to drive it through with the support of all parties in this House\u2014drive it through with the support of those who made submissions to the bill\u2014which also reflects that we\u2019re all generally sincere about making sure that safety is our paramount concern and that our current system for how we manage buildings when the worst happens needs to be better. Certainly, this bill provides legislative power to the appropriate ministry, the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment, to be able to ensure that that happens.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000756\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EOther than commending my colleague Jenny Salesa for bringing the bill through\u2014it\u2019s interesting that I\u2019ve heard others make mention about the contribution of Dr Nick Smith. For the life of me, I couldn\u2019t find any evidence in the bill, because Minister Salesa introduced the bill on 15 August 2018, the first reading was in September 2018, it was referred to the transport committee, the second reading was on 9 May this year, then the committee of the House was later in May, and now we\u2019re in the third reading. So I didn\u2019t see where Dr Nick Smith made a contribution but, none the less, I am happy to support the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022 data-id=\u00221af347a6c7794c11a206280a1a1c698c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000757\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221af347a6c7794c11a206280a1a1c698c\u0022\u003ELAWRENCE YULE (National\u2014Tukituki):\u003C/span\u003E It\u2019s a pleasure to take a call in the third reading of the Building Amendment Bill. I do wish to acknowledge the Minister, the Hon Jenny Salesa, for getting the bill to this point. I wish to also congratulate all the political parties across the Parliament on agreeing on what are very sensible measures. But I do, in response to the last point, have to correct it\u2014and also congratulate the Hon Dr Nick Smith\u2014because the policy work for this and the changes that were made came out of what was learnt from the Christchurch earthquakes. Dr Smith\u2014from our side, anyway, and I suspect across this House\u2014as a former engineer has a lot of interest and a lot of knowledge and has studied many of the issues that came out of the Canterbury earthquakes. So I think credit can go all around. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000758\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003EI think this really is around how we manage the conflicts in terms of first responders and subsequent responders, because while there is management of safety, there is also business interruption, there is also building security, and there are big decisions to be made. In a State of emergency and the subsequent days and weeks and years after that, all those trade-offs have to be made. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000759\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003EIn the Canterbury earthquakes, I happened to be on an insurance company at the time, which was affected, and we had a lot of claims made. I was on the board, and one of the interesting things that we came across was that we had to define which earthquake caused the damage. So you\u2019d work out that some damage was caused in some pipes in one earthquake, and then you\u2019d have to go and redo the work and say whether that was more damage caused. It\u2019s very complex\u2014that\u2019s what I\u2019m trying to get to. It\u2019s very complex, millions or\u2014in this case\u2014billions of dollars were involved, and people\u2019s livelihoods were at stake, so the combination of that ends up with a great deal of anxiety and tension on all sorts of bodies. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000760\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003ESo this bill seeks to give some direction around who can do what and when, and it gives some clarity for not only agencies but also members of the public and building owners. Vitally, it also allows the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) and others\u2014agents of MBIE\u2014to look at sites and look at failure in a way that can allow New Zealand to benefit in terms of future rules and regulations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000761\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003EIn my own case\u2014and the Hon Meka Whaitiri will be aware of this\u2014in Hawke\u2019s Bay we had upgraded the Hawke\u2019s Bay Opera House to the building standard at the time. The Canterbury earthquake came along and the engineer said, \u201COh, we\u2019ve learnt from that now, and now we have to go and upgrade it again.\u201D, and it\u2019s just been completed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003EMy point in saying that is we\u2019re on a constant journey and we need to make sure that when these tragedies and events of such magnitude happen, we can learn as much as possible while respecting the property rights but while the evidence and understanding is still there. So on that basis, it\u2019s wonderful to see that across the Parliament we have unanimity and agreement that this bill should be supported, and I\u2019m happy to commend it to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u0022d9753d273c224bd5904c98ad0a4706eb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000763\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d9753d273c224bd5904c98ad0a4706eb\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker. I\u2019m pleased to take a short call on this third and final reading of the Building Amendment Bill. I am fortunate to be a member of the Transport and Infrastructure Committee that considered the bill. I too want to acknowledge the Hon Jenny Salesa for ushering the bill through, and, of course, the Hon Nick Smith. The member Lawrence Yule, who has just resumed his seat, made really clear his role in terms of the policy work behind the bill. Essentially, the bill has two parts: obviously, managing buildings after emergencies, and, of course, there are lessons learnt from building failures. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000764\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI want to just pick up on the previous speaker, who shared the financial impacts, I guess, of constantly modernising our building safety regulations to ensure that we are up to code but also acknowledging the wider cost to building owners, should those codes and expectations change. I recall that in 2016, there was an earthquake here in Wellington, and I think it was on the weekend that most MPs were at home. But on returning back to Wellington, I found not only broken glass in my apartment kitchen but actually cracks in the ceiling and walls of a fairly new apartment building in central Wellington. I must share in this House that for two weeks, apart from contacting the property managers, I never received a visit. So this bill makes it really clear who is responsible for entering buildings, first and foremost, and what are the rules under which they enter and what responsibilities and roles they serve when they enter that building. I used that example from 2016 because it would have been useful in 2016 to have had somebody come forward to at least check the cracks in what I\u2019d considered was a very, very modern apartment complex. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000765\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EPrevious speakers have laid out what\u2019s in the bill. I want to commend our select committee for the way in which they\u2019ve worked, and our chair, Darroch Ball. I almost thought, while I was sitting in the House listening to the various speakers, that I was listening to a Treaty bill. Such was the support for this bill from both sides of the House that I thought I was hearing a Treaty bill, but it was not to be. It is something just as important\u2014the Building Amendment Bill\u2014and so I want to, again, thank all members and thank the officials that worked on it, those that submitted on it, and also the experts that came before the select committee from Local Government New Zealand and some of the councils that submitted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000766\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EAs the Minister said in her opening address, this is a fairly sensible, non-contentious bill. It does modernise our whole building safety and post - building failure system, and I commend it to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022 data-id=\u002263daf46d7d6a498db7ca44c6d6d2b7c8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000767\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002263daf46d7d6a498db7ca44c6d6d2b7c8\u0022\u003EBRETT HUDSON (National):\u003C/span\u003E I too rise in support of the Building Amendment Bill in its third reading. Like other members, I would like to acknowledge the work that the Hon Dr Nick Smith had done around the policy prior to this bill\u2019s introduction and, indeed, Minister Salesa for her work in shepherding it through the House. I\u2019d also acknowledge Mr Darroch Ball as the chair of the Transport and Infrastructure Committee and the members of the committee for the work they\u2019ve done to bring a bill forward which has resounding endorsement across this House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000768\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EAs I was looking through the bill tonight, I reflected on the last Parliament, when I was a member of the Government Administration Committee, which was the forerunner to the Governance and Administration Committee that I now have the privilege of chairing. In 2016, we considered the Civil Defence Emergency Management Amendment Bill, and that bill had come in and had been ushered in quite quickly following the Whanganui floods in 2015. As we scrutinised that in select committee, officials and others were keen to point out that one of the problems that had manifested itself during those floods was the lack of authority for persons and authorities to compel people to leave at-risk properties. So their lives were placed at risk, and resources were consumed in trying to encourage people to leave for their own safety, with no mandate to compel that to happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000769\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EThen, fast-forwarding a little more\u2014actually, while the bill was still progressing, as I recall\u2014we then had the Kaik\u014Dura quake, and here in Wellington, those existing issues were compounded further. There was great uncertainty about who had rights to enter buildings, who had rights to require buildings to be vacated, and who had rights to go and assess the potentially quake-affected buildings. There were questions about whether Wellington should reopen so quickly, and yet the authorities, including the mayor, did not have the power to compel even Government agencies, let alone private sector individuals and property owners, to close their buildings. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000770\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003ESo this bill does exceptionally good work at clarifying the powers that responsible persons will have to enter premises to require the vacation of them and, particularly, also to enter them for assessment of damage. It has support right across the House, and I commend it to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022 data-id=\u0022ce04c74f46cb4feeb5d44a6d46ef7b1f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000771\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ce04c74f46cb4feeb5d44a6d46ef7b1f\u0022\u003EGINNY ANDERSEN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you for the opportunity, Madam Deputy Speaker, to speak on the Building Amendment Bill in its third reading. As has already been noted, the Transport and Infrastructure Committee has done a fantastic job, and it\u2019s good to see that the changes brought forward have been agreed on widely across the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EIn the overview of the bill, there are two important parts that I wish to briefly touch on in terms of what this bill does in order to address those concerns that have been seen in Kaik\u014Dura, here in Wellington, and also in Christchurch with the ongoing events that have taken place there. So the two key parts of what the bill does that I would briefly like to touch upon are that, firstly, it introduces new powers to create a clear and balanced system to manage the risks that buildings can pose, not just to people but also to property, from response through to recovery following a significant emergency or major event like the ones that we have seen. Secondly, the bill provides the central building regulator, the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment, with a clear set of powers to investigate significant building failures. This sets us up to learn lessons and also to improve, and that is to make sure that we are fit for purpose in the way that we look to move forward if we are to have significant events in the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000773\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003ESo in terms of managing buildings after an emergency event, this bill introduces an end-to-end process for managing buildings following an emergency, from response through to recovery. It\u2019s important to note that the Minister for Building and Construction has the ability to take direct action when required. As has been noted by previous speakers tonight, it\u2019s important in those times of uncertainty and emergency that the appropriate powers can be called upon to act swiftly in order to give people the reassurance that life will still go on and that there are critical services still taking place. So the ability to make decisions and manage buildings in a significant emergency event is very important. So these new powers, and the clarifications on the use and the timings and when they can occur, bring into clarity a clearer idea of what can happen. These areas have been already identified by the royal commission in investigating how we can learn from the past.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000774\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003ESo without further ado, I would like to acknowledge the fact that it\u2019s great to see agreement across the House on a piece of legislation that clearly looks to be moving forward and to be making New Zealand a safer place and more robust, should we encounter any major events. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000775\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000776\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222f4c2113978e47a89572c81369db5c47\u0022\u003EInsolvency Practitioners Regulation (Amendments) Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000777\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222f4c2113978e47a89572c81369db5c47\u0022\u003EInsolvency Practitioners Regulation Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000778\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00226d02b99865054977b32eeab3ea3080ad\u0022\u003EThird Readings\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u00220e85a39464554212b573d3370627a43b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000779\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220e85a39464554212b573d3370627a43b\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Energy and Resources) \u003C/span\u003Eon behalf of the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs: I move, That the Insolvency Practitioners Regulation (Amendments) Bill and the Insolvency Practitioners Regulation Bill be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000780\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EThis legislation is an important part of the commerce and consumer affairs agenda, as its purpose is to promote better outcomes under the corporate insolvency system by strengthening the regulation of insolvency practitioners. In the second reading of the Insolvency Practitioners Bill, Minister Faafoi indicated that it would be divided into three bills, not two. A third bill, ultimately, has not proved necessary. These two bills have had a long journey through this House, which Minister Faafoi did not propose going into today, but they are better for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000781\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EThe Insolvency Practitioners Regulation Bill is aimed at promoting better outcomes under the corporate insolvency system by strengthening the regulation of practitioners. One of the main aims of the insolvency law is for businesses to be turned around if they are viable\u2014and that is important. If not, they should be wound up and the assets realised and distributed to creditors in accordance with clear rules and with a minimum of harm both to the insolvent party and to their creditors. This is a system that relies on trustworthy and competent professionals to act in the best interests of creditors.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000782\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EThis bill that we now have before us supports these outcomes by introducing a robust new regime for the licensing of practitioners, providing effective mechanisms for holding them to account, and requiring such things as continuing professional development to raise the standards of practitioners\u2019 behaviour over time. These are necessary changes to ensure that all insolvency practitioners meet the basic standards of honesty and competence that the public is entitled to expect of them. Unfortunately, a small number of practitioners continue to fall well short of these standards and engage in conduct such as charging excessive fees for their services, carrying out unnecessary work so as to inflate their fees, acting in the interests of the directors of insolvent companies who appoint them at the expense of the creditors, and taking on appointments without the necessary skills, knowledge, or expertise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000783\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003ESo we can see that under this legislation there are some key features of the co-regulatory and licence system that needed to be addressed. Within this bill is proposed a co-regulatory licensing system modelled on the one in the Auditor Regulation Act of 2012. Under this system, the Registrar of Companies will be required to set minimum standards for licensing insolvency practitioners and to accredit professional bodies. These accredited bodies will be responsible for the front-line licensing and regulation of individual practitioners, which includes regulating their entry into the profession and ongoing competence, investigating complaints against practitioners, and reporting on the adequacy and effectiveness of their regulatory systems and processes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000784\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EIn addition, the second of these bills\u2014the Insolvency Practitioners Regulation (Amendments) Bill\u2014makes other amendments to the Companies Act and Receiverships Act. This bill is aimed at updating these pieces of legislation to make sure they are still fit for purpose and reflect the new Insolvency Practitioners Regulation Bill. These amendments update these Acts to reflect new requirements for the licensing of insolvency practitioners, increase the transparency of practitioner appointments, and improve practitioner reporting requirements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000785\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EI am proud\u2014and the Minister who has worked on these changes is proud\u2014of what has been accomplished with these bills, and want to acknowledge all the hard work that has gone into getting them to this stage. I would like to thank the Economic Development, Science and Innovation Committee for its thoughtful consideration of the Insolvency Practitioners Bill. I\u2019d also like to thank the members of the Insolvency Working Group and all of the people who submitted on the Insolvency Practitioners Bill. This bill does enhance the integrity of the corporate insolvency system and will support honest business practices. I commend these bills to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022 data-id=\u0022e2f5ee0b3bc54f30bacf380ed050f276\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000786\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e2f5ee0b3bc54f30bacf380ed050f276\u0022\u003EBRETT HUDSON (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I rise in support of both the Insolvency Practitioners Regulation (Amendments) Bill and the Insolvency Practitioners Regulation Bill in their third readings. Some bills have a long gestation time through Parliament; the Insolvency Practitioners Bill is one such bill. It was first reported back from the Economic Development, Science and Innovation Committee in 2011. So, this year, we saw a rather unusual event where a bill that had been returned for further scrutiny\u2014or re-scrutiny, if you will\u2014by a select committee instead had a debate on the report of that select committee because, of course, the Standing Orders don\u2019t permit a second second reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000787\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EBut the legislation has emerged in better shape. These are necessary bills. As the Minister Megan Woods, who has introduced this in these third readings, has pointed out, it is the behaviours of the few which tarnish an entire industry or industry sector, and, in fact, diminish confidence across the entire market or business sector of New Zealand. Those activities, those behaviours of those poorly behaving insolvency practitioners, need addressing, which is why this legislation is so important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000788\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EThe fundamental thing that I believe it achieves is to seek to establish greater confidence for businesses to transact in New Zealand with each other, because, in doing so, one party does become a creditor to the other. They deserve confidence that, should the business they\u2019re transacting with go into financial difficulties, their interests as creditors will be served by the practitioners that are dealing with that issue or insolvency. This legislation goes a long way, I believe, to improving that confidence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000789\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EIn fact, it is for that reason\u2014that the broader benefit spans, really, every business, or most businesses across New Zealand\u2014that we supported the Minister\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) that sought to pay for the new regime to manage the provisions of these bills through a levy to be levied across every business entity, or every business entity that could potentially be subject to the provisions of this legislation or be liquidated under the Companies Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000790\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EBecause every business does, or fundamentally most businesses do, benefit from the improved confidence that these measures bring about, it is reasonable that each of them should bear what is a very small charge each\u2014a couple of dollars is anticipated, certainly no more than that\u2014and that is an appropriate way to do it. The opposite of that would be instead to load the costs on to insolvency practitioners themselves, which, quite frankly, would be so onerous as to put a number of them out of business, and even those that didn\u2019t go out of business would then seek to recover those costs through their charges; so, ultimately, it wouldn\u2019t help either the businesses that are being wound up or, indeed, in particular, the creditors that are hoping to get at least some of their moneys returned to them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000791\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003EIt is for those reasons that we not only support the bills but supported that SOP that the Minister introduced. I commend these bills to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022 data-id=\u0022d4fce6e62bfa4a7a80959470bfcda6ec\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000792\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d4fce6e62bfa4a7a80959470bfcda6ec\u0022\u003ETAMATI COFFEY (Labour\u2014Waiariki):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. This will be a short call. These are some of those really lovely bills where both sides of the House tend to agree. It is very technical legislation, but it\u2019s also legislation that has been in the political machine for quite some time now. For that reason, the people that started this legislation all those years ago aren\u2019t the people that are here representing it today. But it is good legislation, it\u2019s stood the test of time, and it\u2019s been through our Economic Development, Science and Innovation Committee for a wee while now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000793\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EThe actual purpose of this legislation is to promote better outcomes for corporate insolvency by strengthening the regulation of insolvency practitioners. Now, for those people that don\u2019t quite understand the process of insolvency, it\u2019s when your liabilities outweigh your assets or when your debts, basically, become too much and you\u2019re made insolvent. There are practitioners out there, around the country, that specialise in this kind of business, and for that reason they have been calling, for quite some time, for stronger regulation in terms of what they do, helping them to be able to do the work that they do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000794\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EThere were many issues that were raised throughout the small time that I\u2019ve been with this legislation. We\u2019ve talked through those considerably in our select committee, and we\u2019ve got to a point where we\u2019re sitting here in front of very, very good bills and very robust bills. They\u2019ve had the consideration of many submitters, and it\u2019s probably a good opportunity to thank all of those submitters, who also put time and effort into making these the good pieces of legislation that they are. I also want to thank the Opposition for the work that they\u2019ve done in creating quite an amicable bill that we are quite happy to stand behind, all together, and say that we commend this legislation to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u002237dd50877c9f443ea78a132e78499d57\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000795\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002237dd50877c9f443ea78a132e78499d57\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I\u2019m not sure that I would share the previous speaker, Tamati Coffey\u2019s, description of it as an amicable bill. I don\u2019t know quite what an amicable bill is, in the sense that it imposes a new regulatory regime on part of our economy, but it\u2019s something that we kicked off some time ago. That was, purely and simply, to improve the confidence that people have in the conduct of our companies and liquidators, and liquidation is an important part of the company cycle\u2014the formation of companies, companies doing well. Companies come to the end of the lives at some point, and they can be solvent at that time, in which case they\u2019ve got more assets than they\u2019ve got liabilities and they\u2019re just being wound up, and that\u2019s a relatively straightforward process, although there can always be complications. Then there are insolvent liquidations, when the company doesn\u2019t have the assets, or when something\u2019s gone wrong and you have a bunch of creditors out there who are owed money by the company, and there needs to be a good, robust mechanism for ensuring that is dealt with properly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EIt was a fair assessment of the situation in New Zealand that the arrangements to ensure that happened were insufficiently robust. There are some excellent liquidators out there, but there have been some poor practitioners out there who have been excessively friendly to company directors when the company has been wound up\u2014excessively friendly to them as opposed to the creditors, and making it too easy for unscrupulous company directors to keep cycling through companies and avoiding their responsibilities\u2014and this has a flow-on effect to many industries across the economy. It\u2019s certainly related to complications in the housing and construction area, where people haven\u2019t been able to successfully hold people to account for liabilities left by companies that have been wound up in the past, and this is one element of it. So bringing some better robustness into the insolvency regime by requiring the licensing of that group and having some ability to hold very poor practitioners to account and get them out of the industry is, I think, a positive move.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000797\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ENow, there\u2019ll be all sorts of complications in the way this is being set up and I think it\u2019s something that we\u2019re going to have to look at closely over the next few years because, unfortunately, in these regulatory regimes that are set up, quite often the details are not quite right and only time shows that. So we can\u2019t expect that this is going to be the final word on how this has been set up but we hope it works well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000798\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI do think it\u2019s appropriate in the Supplementary Order Paper brought by the Minister that the costs of this regime\u2014because there\u2019s such a small number of practitioners in this area, the fees on them would be very high\u2014are better to be borne by all companies which benefit from having a good regime in place. So, in that regard, I think this is a small but positive move in terms of both strengthening the robustness and trying to maintain that excellent reputation the New Zealand business community has in terms of its relatively low levels of corruption and high levels of trust, which is one of the most precious assets that we have. On that basis, I commend this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e11a5f05-1940-41b2-8f1e-911dba7a43a5\u0022 data-id=\u0022349f624680c9489d8542121273d1e7c1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000799\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e11a5f05-1940-41b2-8f1e-911dba7a43a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022349f624680c9489d8542121273d1e7c1\u0022\u003EFLETCHER TABUTEAU (Deputy Leader\u2014NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I just want to address some of the comments made by the previous speaker, Paul Goldsmith\u2014I believe formerly the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs\u2014and address some of his concerns. He seemed to intimate that this was the beginnings of some uncertainty about the nature of this legislation, but I just want to point out the history of this bill because this was first introduced in 2010. This bill featured what we termed a \u201Cnegative licensing\u201D system at the time, and it empowered the register of companies to prohibit certain individuals from\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000800\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228838b9f6cc5745ccb5ccbcc10604ba86\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Registrar. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000801\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e11a5f05-1940-41b2-8f1e-911dba7a43a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002256d146c42ccd43af915d371725234b6b\u0022\u003EFLETCHER TABUTEAU\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014registrar\u2014from providing insolvency services. But then, in 2011, the Commerce Committee came back and said, actually, this isn\u2019t working. It reported back on the bill; it concluded that the negative licensing system would not adequately address the problems that were identified and were hoping to be addressed in the 2010 supposed fix-up. Instead, the committee recommended that the bill be amended so that practitioners would be required to be registered, and that the bill include offences and penalties for practitioners who fail to comply. But then we had to come back in 2016, and there were two problems identified with the registration system: firstly, it was kind of reactive. We weren\u2019t addressing the issue of competency and integrity in the first instance, and so, because the disqualification criteria were quite minimal, there was no conversation about skill and experience and good character. But, essentially, that\u2019s where we\u2019ve come to now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000802\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e11a5f05-1940-41b2-8f1e-911dba7a43a5\u0022\u003ESo I do question the contribution from the previous speaker around what it is that we hope to achieve today, because what we are doing and what we will see, and the support of this legislation on both sides of the House\u2014which is appreciated, and it\u2019s the first time I\u2019ve seen Mr Brett Hudson\u2019s contribution be so positive, which was incredibly wonderful to see, I have to say. The bill supports the introduction of a robust new regime for the licensing of practitioners, providing effective ways for holding them to account, and requiring such things as continuing professional development to raise the standards of practitioners\u2019 behaviour over time. So what New Zealand First is saying is that, when corporate insolvency takes place, when a company is unable to pay its debts and they fall due, then we want good people, good businesses to be the ones who are ensuring that the assets of these companies are allocated to the most efficient use with the least delay and the least expense possible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000803\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e11a5f05-1940-41b2-8f1e-911dba7a43a5\u0022\u003ESo, actually, I suppose, with those few words, I do commend this legislation to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ed2de46a-9047-4bfe-92c8-5f14fd415dfb\u0022 data-id=\u0022ce83078f9d05488f84ba1611b048a53f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000804\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2de46a-9047-4bfe-92c8-5f14fd415dfb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ce83078f9d05488f84ba1611b048a53f\u0022\u003EANDREW FALLOON (National\u2014Rangitata):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. First of all, I want to respond to some of the comments by Mr Fletcher Tabuteau across the Chamber, because I thought to myself, \u201CHere we are having a very nice debate tonight, discussing how this legislation is very much needed, and yet Mr Tabuteau has found a way of creating some disagreement between National and Labour on these bills.\u201D, which I thought was a bit disappointing. He also said that he\u2019d never seen Brett Hudson so positive. Well, clearly, he doesn\u2019t know Mr Hudson very well, because we all know Mr Hudson is a very positive and amiable chap. But it is a real pleasure to be speaking tonight on this third reading of the Insolvency Practitioners Bill, which, of course, was divided at the committee of the whole House into the Insolvency Practitioners Regulation (Amendments) Bill, and the Insolvency Practitioners Regulation Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000805\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2de46a-9047-4bfe-92c8-5f14fd415dfb\u0022\u003EMr Tabuteau\u2014he did get one thing one thing right, Mr Tabuteau. He said that this legislation has been around for a long time. In fact, it was first introduced in 2010, and it was first introduced under the National Government, and the reason for that was because we saw a failing where there\u2019s, as has been said, a small number of insolvency practitioners that are operating around the country. But unfortunately, a small number of those practitioners are giving the good ones a bad name. So what this legislation does is it registers, or provides registration for, insolvency practitioners to hopefully up the standards.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000806\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2de46a-9047-4bfe-92c8-5f14fd415dfb\u0022\u003EAll the work, though, wasn\u2019t done, actually, by National. There has been some work done by Mr Faafoi, and I do want to give him some credit tonight in passing this legislation. He brought forward a Supplementary Order Paper in 2018, which, really, did four things\u2014in fact, introduced four new parts, which are Parts 3 to 6. They do things like creating a co-regulatory licensing regime, improving the list of automatic practitioner disqualifications, and providing the High Court with an effective means to disqualify practitioners. It was a real pleasure to sit on the Economic Development, Science and Innovation Committee which considered this legislation. We had a good number of submissions come in, and we had a robust discussion around the committee table about the final form of the legislation, and I think we\u2019ve come to a very good place with it. I don\u2019t want to delay the bills any further, and I do know my colleague Mr Lawrence Yule is very keen to speak on these bills tonight. So I\u2019ll end it there and commend them to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022 data-id=\u00228d8b6aad34954774a7f338da084790a3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000807\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228d8b6aad34954774a7f338da084790a3\u0022\u003EDr DEBORAH RUSSELL (Labour\u2014New Lynn):\u003C/span\u003E Madam Deputy Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to take a brief call on these bills. It\u2019s legislation which serves the very important purpose of introducing real expertise into the practice of insolvency and ensuring that those who undertake insolvencies and who do the work on insolvencies are properly licensed, are properly trained, and are scrutinised to ensure that they really are proffering services in line with what is needed, to ensure that we actually have real experts operating. For those reasons, I commend these bills to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022 data-id=\u0022da7902062bb345d592cc0bf09edcc2ee\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000808\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022da7902062bb345d592cc0bf09edcc2ee\u0022\u003ELAWRENCE YULE (National\u2014Tukituki):\u003C/span\u003E Following the introduction from my colleague Mr Andrew Falloon, I wish to take a brief call on the Insolvency Practitioners Regulation (Amendments) Bill, and, having sat on the Economic Development, Science and Innovation Committee that considered this, I do want to congratulate the Hon Kris Faafoi for getting it to this point. This side of the House obviously supports the legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000809\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003EIt is really important that we have up-to-date regulations to manage people and the practitioners that are dealing with insolvency. As we sit here late at night, it is easy to forget the number of people that do get caught up in insolvency, often through no fault of their own. So they supply goods or services or trades to a business, the business gets into financial difficulty, the business then becomes insolvent, and a whole lot of creditors get caught up in that mix. As we sit here tonight, it\u2019s easy to forget the stress that those creditors go under. As part of the select committee, one of the striking things for me was that it was not always obvious, in terms of how the system worked before, who the insolvency practitioner was working for or how that person could, effectively, be manipulated. While they should have been working for the creditors, there were various ways you could deal with insolvency and various ways you could get an insolvency practitioner engaged that would sometimes mean that the creditors\u2019 interests\u2014in my view, anyway\u2014were not properly protected.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000810\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003ESo I think this is a very good piece of legislation. It offers best practice. It offers a form of regulation, and that regulation\u2014we\u2019ve agreed to the Supplementary Order Paper\u2014will be funded by everybody in the Companies Office. Now, we did look at that because it\u2019s different to doctors and lawyers, who, as part of a professional organisation, would fund their own fees. But we looked at it and, basically, said that there are so few insolvency practitioners that, if we did that, it would mean that the costs would be quite high\u2014up to $10,000, or maybe over $10,000.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000811\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003ESo the agreement was made for a small charge on every person that\u2019s registered in the Companies Office. They will pay, effectively, the registration costs of insolvency practitioners.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000812\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003EIn closing, I think this is a good bill. We think it\u2019s a good bill. It does tidy up some loopholes, and, importantly, in my view, it gives the creditors the best protection, in an impartial way, that this Parliament can afford. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022 data-id=\u0022b0551c0a5a9f4da9babc31dd30be57bf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000813\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b0551c0a5a9f4da9babc31dd30be57bf\u0022\u003EGARETH HUGHES (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Madam Deputy Speaker. Ng\u0101 mihi nui ki a koutou, kia ora. I rise on behalf of the Green Party to support the Insolvency Practitioners Regulation (Amendments) Bill and the Insolvency Practitioners Regulation Bill. The Green Party has supported this throughout the process, all the way back to 2010, because there was a clear and pressing need in our society to make sure that at a point of a business\u2019s lifetime when they\u2019re meeting a liquidator, it is a pretty trying time and it is a crucial time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000814\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003ENow, we heard from a small number of liquidators in the Economic Development, Science and Innovation Committee that, while being a small community, they play a vital role in a healthy, functioning economic ecosystem. They do play a vital role as part of our economy in New Zealand. Now, what we\u2019d also heard, though, is that because of the lack of a positive or a negative licensing or accreditation scheme, there was some bad behaviour arising. Now, we heard from the previous speaker, Lawrence Yule, who mentioned cases where the purposes, the motivation, and, in fact, the professional history and experiences of liquidators were seriously in question, and we did see some shocking behaviour and real people saw real harm occur as a result.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000815\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EWe acknowledge the work of the previous Government. We didn\u2019t hear a great number of submissions in the select committee, but we did hear from the small community of liquidators, particularly on the point of the cost, which the previous speaker also mentioned. It will be funded out of the Companies Office. This is important so that this burden isn\u2019t placed on a small number of shoulders; it\u2019s actually funded through the company registration system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000816\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EThe Green Party fundamentally does support, though, the idea of a licensing regime for liquidators. It is a tough time for those businesses facing it. We\u2019ve heard from Melissa Lee in previous debates that not all companies liquidate for negative reasons, but that is the vast bulk. So we want to make sure it\u2019s an appropriate process, a fair process, one that the participants can have confidence in. So the Green Party\u2019s very happy to support it. Kia ora koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022 data-id=\u002269c3e784a4d6409d93a0ced6f1d93f50\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000817\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002269c3e784a4d6409d93a0ced6f1d93f50\u0022\u003EJO LUXTON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for the opportunity to speak on these bills this evening. As has been said on several occasions tonight, this legislation has been around for a very, very long time, and I came into the Economic Development, Science and Innovation Committee just prior to it being reported back to the House. I want to thank Jonathan Young for his chairing of the select committee during the process that we did have before the select committee, and I want to thank those that took the time to submit. I think there were possibly around 16 people that submitted and around seven that submitted orally to the select committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000818\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EWhat we find is that, unfortunately, sometimes businesses or companies get to the stage where they can no longer continue to pay their debts\u2014it\u2019s a sad situation to be in\u2014or their liabilities exceed the assets that they hold. That\u2019s when it becomes time that an insolvency practitioner has to become involved in the process of insolvency for a business\u2014a sad situation for any business to be in, but, unfortunately, when these things happen, we have to have people in place that can put this process in place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000819\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EWhat we found and have heard is that in the past there have been some practitioners who have not really necessarily behaved appropriately. They have worked in such a way where, unfortunately, they have increased the cost to the company that\u2019s going to be made insolvent. This piece of legislation, what it does is it does help to enhance the integrity of the corporate insolvency system whereby insolvency practitioners will have to look to undergo professional development in their area so that they do maintain the highest of integrity when dealing with this situation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000820\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003ELook, everything that I thought of saying has been said, and I do wish to commend these bills to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022b79c3e4d72784bebbacbb125bbf8c209\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b79c3e4d72784bebbacbb125bbf8c209\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It would help if you\u2019d just kept going for another couple of seconds, but the time has come for me to stand and interrupt this debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000822\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022490ccdbf-7c22-4e12-98f2-f3aa08f8e676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c7ce7507910420c8352b36fcfdc025f\u0022\u003EHon Iain Lees-Galloway\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s not 10 o\u2019clock. Put the vote, Madam Deputy Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000823\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef0a4e88af9a4c8b89b588bd7a7f8ad0\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, OK\u2014all right. Yep, we\u2019ll do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000824\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EBills read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190612f9a5a875486f4220958fb84861a8cdd3000825\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 10 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"