"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a3c1571e21a14037ad207ffcae8b157c\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 25 JULY 2019\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225a30972b411f42a48843af5570f05145\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 25 JULY 2019\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b0666bd1bc084ee8b0802278cf5f8f7a\u0022\u003ESpeaker\u2019s Rulings\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002231e7ec9257264530a932366d7ae0b65f\u0022\u003EPersonal Votes\u2014Proxy Voting\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022283e8f96682a4e938125660f887b245c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022283e8f96682a4e938125660f887b245c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Members, I\u2019ve got a ruling that I\u2019m going to make in anticipation of the next members\u2019 day. I have been considering the issue of proxy voting. There is no limit on the number of members that can vote by proxy in a personal vote. However, given the likely complexity of the issues before the committee of the whole House next week\u2014and possibly the fortnight after\u2014I strongly encourage members to vote in person if they are in the buildings. Every member present in the Chamber when the doors are locked must vote\u2014Aye, No, or abstain.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EStanding Order 154(2) sets out the matters that a proxy must contain. Instructions about how to exercise a proxy may be as specific or general as a member giving the proxy wishes. Responsibility for interpreting a proxy rests with the member exercising it and a member must do so and must be satisfied that he or she has direct instructions about how to cast it or general authority to do so, in relation to each question before the committee of the whole House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003ESpeakers\u2019 rulings on pages 69 and 70 make it clear that personal votes are final, even when they are inadvertently cast incorrectly. The vote cast will stand, regardless of voting intentions. The Speaker will allow the correction of an error on the voting sheet where it is detected before a result is announced\u2014Speaker\u2019s ruling 70/3. But, otherwise, votes are final and the Speaker will not consider later objections to the way a proxy was exercised or recorded, where it has been exercised in good faith.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI am making this ruling some days in advance of the next members\u2019 day to enable members to get their proxies in order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EA number of other matters related to the End of Life Choice Bill are also worth ruling on in advance of next Wednesday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI have determined that the bill is a conscience issue and that the substantive votes on it will be personal votes. However, votes on procedural matters such as closures and the recall of the Speaker are not matters of conscience, so those will be party votes. If a party does not have an agreed view on such motions, split party voting can be used to record the differing views.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EAs members know, amendments can be tabled up until the point that voting commences. I would encourage members to lodge their amendments as early as possible so that members can be familiar with the issues on which they will vote. While the Chairperson in committee always decides who gets the call in debate, I have encouraged them to give precedence to those whose amendments are lodged 24 hours before the debate commences. There is no right to a call on the basis of tabling an amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003ETo date, several amendments have been lodged with the Clerk and they are all in order at this point. I would remind members that the member in charge of the bill always has the option to have the question on his amendments put first, under Standing Order 308. If those amendments are agreed, they will have the likely effect of rendering out of order many further amendments to the same provisions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EFinally, I have considered the matters that the House has already agreed in relation to the bill. The purpose of the second reading is to debate the broad principles of a bill. Once a bill has a second reading, the House has agreed to those principles. In the case of the End of Life Choice Bill, the principles agreed at second reading are: (1) some form of assisted dying will be available to New Zealanders; (2) qualified medical personnel will be involved in assisted dying; (3) the assisted dying system will be State-controlled; and (4) instances of assisted dying will be recorded and reported on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EThe job of the committee of the whole House is to consider whether the bill properly incorporates the principles or objects of the bill as read a second time by the House\u2014Standing Order 302(1). Ultimately, the House will decide whether it wishes to accept the bill or not at the time of the third reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI will ask for this ruling to be circulated in order for members to be prepared for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u0022812e252a4f6c4fd0a7a5afb247aefb0e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022812e252a4f6c4fd0a7a5afb247aefb0e\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Thank you, Mr Speaker, for that thorough ruling. Standing Order 154(2) provides for the information that needs to be contained in the proxy in order for it to be cast. Speaker\u2019s ruling 69/1 talks about the communication of withdrawal or amendment of that proxy that need not be in writing\u2014it could be a telephone. As far as I can tell, there is no ruling or standing order about the original proxy being cast in a manner other than by written piece of paper. I wonder if you could clarify whether that is the case and then consider\u2014given the fact that Supplementary Order Papers may be tabled at a reasonably frequent rate through the committee of the whole House\u2014whether it would be in order for somebody receiving a proxy to get that via an electronic means or verbal means, as is available for amendment or withdrawal?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022a1c731aea9014d82a68cf0d8505c6f73\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a1c731aea9014d82a68cf0d8505c6f73\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The short answer is that that is certainly an option for people doing it to get that sort of direction. It may be that if people feel that they will not be in a position to be constantly communicated with, they may want to give a proxy indicating their views on some of the substantive issues, and either say, \u201CThat\u2019s all I want to vote on.\u201D, or they might want to give a more general authority to an individual\u2014probably of like mind, but not necessary\u2014to exercise their proxy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022e9d9d8b757374b23b8b9dbb21e8cb676\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e9d9d8b757374b23b8b9dbb21e8cb676\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I think it is important that we take some time to get this right, given that there\u2019s some high stakes involved here, potentially. With regard to proxy voting, the other example of where I think there has been challenges in the past is where a member has come to the House\u2014having given someone a proxy\u2014and changed their mind. And therefore their vote has been cast twice: by the person who had their proxy voting one way and by them voting the other way. I just wanted seek some reassurance that it will be the in-person vote that takes precedence should that happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThe second part, which you may also want to comment on, is just an urging, really, that we take some time in the counting of the votes to be very careful. We saw an example in the most recent time this was voted on where an error was made, where someone ended up voting, in this case, in the same way twice by error of counting. I just want to make sure that we don\u2019t rush the count of votes for the efficiency of the House, and we take time to get it right, given the ruling that you\u2019ve just made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00229493104dfe1d417bbaa2cdc750c0659a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229493104dfe1d417bbaa2cdc750c0659a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sure. And both of those, I think, are going to be fairly answered in the first way. I will say that since that time, the member\u2019s name has been slightly reduced in size so it fits on one line and there\u2019s less likely to be confusion of that sort again. I won\u2019t make the same mistake again. The other thing that I have asked is that we do take a little bit more time when considering the amendments and check very carefully for dual-voting, which, when you have some members not voting\u2014the fact that we had 121 should have been a pretty clear signal, but there will be occasions where the numbers are below 120, and there\u2019s still a possibility of being on both sides. That is a specific check that I have asked to be done by the clerks and by the Chairs before votes are declared. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EI just hope that there\u2019ll be tolerance from members, because it will take longer than members are used to, to have votes. But this is another reason why I think it\u2019s particularly important that people do come and do it in person, and, if they have a proxy issued that is not being used, that they make it very clear to the individual to whom they\u2019ve given the proxy that they are there and voting physically.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EThe one other point that I\u2019ll make is to reiterate a view which I\u2019ve given quietly to some members, and that is to make it clear that this is a conscience vote, and personal votes. I don\u2019t think it is a good look to have whips from particular parties\u2014especially the major parties\u2014exercising the proxy votes during that time. It\u2019s better for people who have views on the issues to get like-minded people to exercise the votes so that the public are aware of the fact that there is a conscience vote. Obviously, with the procedural votes, that\u2019s not the case.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u002227bf4e4418e846fc9c7d610787a6767a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002227bf4e4418e846fc9c7d610787a6767a\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Thank you for your indulgence. This is a very important issue, and I think we do need to understand what we\u2019re going into next Wednesday. I think, at the latter part of your ruling, you indicated that there were a number of principles\u2014basically, a principles framework within which the bill will proceed\u2014and I just want to test how that might work. One of them was that the management of end of life choice can only be by a\u2014I\u2019m paraphrasing\u2014qualified medical practitioner. That was one of the ones you raised, is that right? My question is this: does that mean that an amendment by Supplementary Order Paper in the committee of the whole House that may offer an alternative to that will automatically be ruled out?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00228247625772be4e9c8f13c14da52321df\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228247625772be4e9c8f13c14da52321df\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The short answer to that is yes. If there is a suggestion that medical practitioners of some type get\u2014and, you know, there are discussions around the types of medical practitioners involved\u2014taken out completely from the process, then I would consider that that is inconsistent with the bill that has received a second reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u00228336afcaad6943e48b4607cb5b749f85\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228336afcaad6943e48b4607cb5b749f85\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National):\u003C/span\u003E Speaking to that point, I think, perhaps, this may be an issue that needs to be canvassed at the Business Committee, because I am concerned that this marks a pretty significant constitutional departure from the powers of the committee of the whole House to work within the purposes of the bill. The pillars that you have articulated, I\u2019m not convinced\u2014and I\u2019ll need to look at it some more\u2014they actually work outside of the purposes of the bill, in which case this could be somewhat without precedent. I would encourage members of the Business Committee to consider whether that requires further discussion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002265175aaa5e1c4713ad0e428a61e719aa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002265175aaa5e1c4713ad0e428a61e719aa\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK, I\u2019m always happy to have discussions with individual members, or at the Business Committee, but I will refer the House to Standing Order 302(1): \u201CA committee of the whole House considers a bill to determine whether the bill properly incorporates the principles or objects of the bill as read a second time by the House.\u201D So there\u2019s an acceptance, as part of that, that the general principles have been accepted, and, you know, while I am willing to listen to discussion as to whether I have properly described those principles, it is something which I haven\u2019t given some thought to. But, as I say, I\u2019m happy to have further discussions with individual members and the Business Committee. The purpose of this exercise is to make sure that members have a fair indication of how things are going to work next Wednesday and that people are properly prepared for that and not surprised by rulings which might occur.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022 data-id=\u00220ade0eea9afe4530b315571b54de3655\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e4b09a29-dfd3-42c0-8585-11463bd6077b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220ade0eea9afe4530b315571b54de3655\u0022\u003ERt Hon DAVID CARTER (National):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I just want take the opportunity of thanking you for setting out the rules but express my concern that you\u2019re saying the principles have been established. I look at Standing Order 302; I don\u2019t think that reinforces your position at all. I wasn\u2019t here for the debate, but I\u2019m aware that a number of people actually stated in their contributions that they were prepared to vote for it to proceed for the opportunity then to discuss it further in committee stages, and they reserved their right to change their position completely for the third reading. With you establishing those principles by which you\u2019re operating and saying already this House has determined in principle that we will have assisted dying, I strongly disagree with that, and I\u2019m happy to raise that point with you privately.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00229486dc506a3942229ec9e1d0984c972d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229486dc506a3942229ec9e1d0984c972d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry\u2014if I\u2019ve been confusing, I apologise. I did try and make clear right at the end that the House will make a decision on the third reading on the bill that emerges. I\u2019m as aware as any other member that there\u2019s a range of views on this bill and that there are a lot of individuals, and some groups of individuals, whose further support of the bill is contingent on changes being made. As far as I\u2019m aware, none of those changes involve the principles as I outlined them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u0022e238a64f5c6f4da48a594d32de37557b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e238a64f5c6f4da48a594d32de37557b\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Attorney-General):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Yes, I\u2019m one of the members who came to see you to clarify proxies because I\u2019m overseas next week for Government business. I just want to be clear that if I complete a proxy only in respect of substantive votes, there is no risk that in respect of procedural motions I can\u2019t rely upon a party vote, because if there is, I have to give that proxy before I leave.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022b69ffd8727104a0da2185e01716d1102\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b69ffd8727104a0da2185e01716d1102\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. As far as party votes are concerned, the normal proxy arrangements will pertain, and those are the 25 percent limit for a party. If a member has a view on any procedural matter which differs from his party, then he or she should indicate that to the party whip so that the party whip can exercise a split vote.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u002219ea993d046f46238c31b8248e9a7184\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002219ea993d046f46238c31b8248e9a7184\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Attorney-General):\u003C/span\u003E So do I have to give a proxy to my whip in respect of procedural motions, or can I just rely upon the party to take\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022070ecf8762b74164aaabb0aaf1139344\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022070ecf8762b74164aaabb0aaf1139344\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: They are party votes of the normal sort. They don\u2019t require proxies to be given, over and above the standard arrangements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022 data-id=\u0022a95638c5a98447e7bb575bf0fa9e13e3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a95638c5a98447e7bb575bf0fa9e13e3\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR (National\u2014T\u0101maki):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Firstly, thank you, Mr Speaker, for these considerations, and I\u2019ll certainly take up, as I\u2019m sure other members will, a more personal conversation. I think I\u2019m somewhat echoing what the Rt Hon David Carter has raised, but I\u2019d just like to signal to you and to the House that we may be conflating the ideas of concept and principle. I\u2019m in complete agreeance that this House, through second reading, has agreed in concept to the idea of the bill, but when you move in to elements of principles, you may be unwittingly or unfairly narrowing the scope without consideration. You\u2019ve raised the issue around, obviously, health practitioners\u2014sorry, medical practitioners, I think, are the words that you\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c233f6e64dc7427a9124b6cb66d91da5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Medical personnel.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3c50c37107c4a37901af034e1ac97d7\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Excellent\u2014medical personnel. If I may, then, just as an example of what that has now achieved: \u201Cmedical personnel\u201D is actually only doctors, and so we\u2019re no longer allowed to actually discuss the notion of, say, nurses or other professionals, but\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022eb2768e8991f40ceadfb430abba08d78\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eb2768e8991f40ceadfb430abba08d78\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I am going to interrupt the member. I think the member is over-interpreting what I\u2019ve said. I advise members to read carefully the ruling. If there is an issue with it that they think is inconsistent with the Standing Orders or previous Speakers\u2019 rulings or McGee or Erskine May, we\u2019ll have a discussion about that. This is meant to be, very deliberately, a ruling of current precedent and not an indication of any sort of new ruling or change in Speakers\u2019 rulings. It\u2019s more a matter of clarifying and bringing together some of the various Standing Orders and Speakers\u2019 rulings that I\u2019m sure not all of us are fully acquainted with.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00227c2b22e1387b4d809a523db6da1487dc\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002298cc8cf4c53848ceb8d814813c17412f\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022f8c1a1c2a7ad4dd585171f1c3e38ad42\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f8c1a1c2a7ad4dd585171f1c3e38ad42\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E The legislation to be considered next week will include the first reading of the National Animal Identification and Tracing Amendment Bill (No 2), the second reading of the Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill, and the Financial Markets (Derivatives Margin and Benchmarking) Reform Amendment Bill, and the remaining stages of the Copyright (Marrakesh Treaty Implementation) Amendment Bill. The Parihaka Reconciliation Bill will receive its second reading on Thursday, 1 August, and Wednesday, 31 July, will be a members\u2019 day. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u0022008a8eaeb9af4ea8af920c4ff22fd03f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022008a8eaeb9af4ea8af920c4ff22fd03f\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National):\u003C/span\u003E I thank the Leader of the House for the update. I wonder if he could inform the House whether he has considered curtailing this session or increasing the number of members\u2019 days, given the very light Government business on the Order Paper right now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u00225036a34a4e5f4345863652ae43138d27\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225036a34a4e5f4345863652ae43138d27\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E There\u2019s certainly no intention on the part of the Government to curtail the business of the House or the sitting of the House\u2014we\u2019re having too much fun. I would point out to the member, however, that as at the end of June this year, the Parliament has passed more legislation than at any point at this time of the year over the last decade. Of course, I would point out, though, that in those previous years, however, we haven\u2019t ever had an Opposition quite as distracted and divided as the current Opposition are. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022 data-id=\u0022e2ed47cd2bcd427cb03f669be7766a49\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e2ed47cd2bcd427cb03f669be7766a49\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Has the Leader of the House considered adding to the fun by bringing the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary Bill up the Order Paper? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022ca1e1e2ecab64a778e7288c3e6d06e92\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ca1e1e2ecab64a778e7288c3e6d06e92\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E There\u2019s only so much fun I can tolerate at any given time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00220a39bffa83b548359d53f3c4f083da5e\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223f096ced21da4d4b8db0ef88885b2b33\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221fd515006a5942a5bb2a3c12f191a288\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u0022b88d07ad00d044dd95ce759205d87abc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b88d07ad00d044dd95ce759205d87abc\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Deputy Leader\u2014National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all her Government\u2019s statements, policies, and actions? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u0022e9290feeda8b46fda47d14ea8c568aa3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e9290feeda8b46fda47d14ea8c568aa3\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS (Deputy Leader\u2014Labour)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Prime Minister: Yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9f1cee1fead41a78730767ef3727f23\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The smile\u2019s not quite as good, though. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225d65593d866640f2bc9eade5fc7ff0a8\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f7e0e1271cfa45fb9be3ab9ddcbfc2c4\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The smile wasn\u2019t as good. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb8ccf01d2b643ebb76694ce243e37d8\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Will New Zealand have a legal drug-testing regime at music festivals in place for the upcoming summer? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d6ec105dac240949f744d4c2c177767\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, I don\u2019t have that level of detail, and it would be good if the member could put the question on notice so that we could actually give a detailed answer. The thing is that this Government does take the drug issue very seriously, and we hope that the Opposition does too. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226bf9fb92b4924aac8fd1cf82ef0d4221\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with Stuart Nash, who said he thought drug testing at festivals was\u2014and I quote\u2014\u201Ca fantastic idea and should be installed at all \u2026 festivals\u201D, or does she agree with David Clark, who said, \u201CThere is a danger with such approaches that they encourage or are seen to encourage drug use.\u201D? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c596f8239bd44fdeaac9ef05a074a8b4\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: I have to say that I get on and agree with both of my colleagues because they\u2019re very hard-working Ministers in both the police realm and also in health. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022557599bc39f54dc598e34cafa8118274\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with New Zealand First\u2019s Darroch Ball, who said that allowing drug testing at festivals was \u201Cblurring the lines between right and wrong and what\u2019s illegal and not illegal\u201D? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cfd05517baf34c8ca94b63f7e650531f\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: What I would like to say in terms of the wider work that we do on drugs is that Budget 2019 included significant funding for drugs. In terms of what Mr\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002223de6bd3-0482-495d-88f4-7cc3f75d8442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c9a7970b50844a082c0a5dcae2dd020\u0022\u003EHon Nathan Guy\u003C/span\u003E: What a shambles. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d7330104cab44f89d294963dbbd1458\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224853e37924824b77b9b8f70e59106fc9\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: In terms of what the member\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229714d0cfc4b444f5af003fb49270addd\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, I\u2019m just indicating to the member down there that his interjections are coming through my mike, which are echoing back very loud in my ears. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223846a689a9504ea7942b36a652c96084\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: In terms of what the member from New Zealand First said, I tend to agree\u2014like I said in the previous answer\u2014with my ministerial colleagues. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200fc230da4944331a92c540cef9c4c8f\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does she think that, when testing drugs at festivals and it proves to be 100 percent authentic, the drugs should then be given back to individuals who can take them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002256f992471d9044cc8e44d2db421b1d30\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: Those are matters of detail that will be worked out in time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226250a4c9e6a7424892a22293c80f926c\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Has she seen the advice from officials that marijuana edibles \u201Care often much more appealing to new and young users and could, therefore, increase cannabis use\u201D and the subsequent recommendation that these products should not be manufactured commercially; if so, why has her Government decided to allow the commercial manufacture of edibles in the recreation cannabis proposals?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022252749903c5d46638bee2950f7320316\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, this is all a matter for the referendum. It will all be dealt with over time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc626427b4c8457aaed5236016ec7240\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: So does she think it is right that active gang members can get a licence to grow cannabis under the proposed medicinal cannabis scheme?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002266f7cdaebe634afda20c14c9a66ae250\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, anybody who\u2019s working in that field will need to be police vetted, and it will be looked after in that instance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee0af35b258d46dca105c809946fd19b\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: How does she expect New Zealanders to understand the Government\u2019s proposed medicinal cannabis scheme or their proposals for recreational cannabis use if she can\u2019t even explain the detail of it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c5d6418d0e1e400c9ef277d60ba0cd77\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, there\u2019s plenty of time for New Zealanders to get to understand what is going to happen in this area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224d8a9cc03f754618a7c9f36576cbbb87\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister aware that there is currently public consultation out on the proposed 98-page medicinal cannabis scheme that is available for public submissions until 9 August?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227bafd9f06fdf4eab8d3aef8ec53e1dda\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, and that\u2019s exactly the point I\u2019ve been making. There is the discussion document; there is plenty of time for New Zealanders to get to grips with what\u2019s going to happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0d66514c4b64444a70597163cab58dc\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does she accept that these are the proposals put forward for the Government and, as such, they have responsibility for what they are putting forward?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226420fbe9e71e4eaaacacbe9d384585ef\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, Mr Speaker, could she repeat the question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022973bc6c70aad4959bec3d0291a3d668a\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does she accept that these are proposals put forward by the Government and, as a consequence, they have responsibility for them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002270c14c1f5fb14405a5b3a6f073393f93\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: In terms of the whole issue, we have put out the consultation document. We know people have views, and we welcome their submissions; that\u2019s the point of consultation. We don\u2019t want to pre-empt the outcome of the consultation, so we\u2019ll be working with industry and stakeholders following consultation. And, in terms of police vetting, which we\u2019ve already spoken about, police vetting would be required of the producers. Any criminal history will be considered, and approval is explicitly ruled out if they have been convicted of a drug-related or dishonesty-based offence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002269e040c589374ec48f369e24d9891de6\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister aware of whether or not the Opposition National Party has taken up the opportunity to be engaged in cross-party work on cannabis reform?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237a48742fc294303b12c6cd9d8cae197\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, I\u2019m not responsible for the attitude or the work of the Opposition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002271690f4a41284a0fbf49089ffd992197\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Word for word, that question started with a phrase that is ruled out by Speaker\u2019s ruling 175/4, an area we traversed at length yesterday, and I just draw that to your attention.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9c0bae13f1847b5a8b5cd2a5f13bab6\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I\u2019m going to pull out 175/4 again, and after our problems with having it read yesterday, I will read it: \u201CIt is irregular to preface a supplementary question with the words \u2018Is the Minister aware\u2019 and then proceed with a massive statement of fact.\u201D I think I\u2019m absolutely happy to rule that there was no massive statement of fact in this case, which is in absolute contrast to yesterday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef283ca35ede4a62bb8347f45adc98ae\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to that point, Mr Speaker, in that case, I would draw your attention to 175/5, which does not require a \u201Cmassive statement of fact\u201D, as you put it\u2014albeit that I would question the definition of that; it is a value judgment\u2014but Speakers Jack and Wilson simply described the prefacing statement \u201CIs the Minister aware\u201D as not appropriate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224d65949bc4b34afeb28a9376b7999ed9\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order, Mr Speaker, 175/5 says that they are \u201CSeeking to inject information or propaganda a member wishes to be heard\u201D, but it doesn\u2019t rule the questions out. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ed41bb7ee134ddcaba4aaa3ce96d4fc\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I think it all depends on whether the members are seeking elucidation or not, and that was occurring now. [Interruption] Is this a supplementary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cab91f9420744f21a2413fece65c5eb7\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a point of order. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213385f7b50a54481be96d63546538c46\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I don\u2019t want any more on the point of order. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022587be51dde6d472b9ad367e54de74a77\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Would she be surprised to hear that New Zealand First is not taking up the offer to join a cross-party group on drug reform? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022590b5ef7d61d4c1eaa03b870fcf6ac0e\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, it is up to each party to make their own decisions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225070c4cc9ef74cc7973a186653f36a73\u0022\u003EHon Stuart Nash\u003C/span\u003E: Would she be surprised to learn that when I, as police Minister, came out in favour of drug checking at festivals at the beginning of this year, a number of National Party MPs came out in support of that stance? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226bd1a52cf55f42e580f9c1fbc6207324\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: No, I wouldn\u2019t be surprised at all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022da51d7263918493283d73707a161886c\u0022\u003EHon Tracey Martin\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Prime Minister confirm that New Zealand First backbench MPs and Ministers have worked constructively with both Government coalition partners and supply and confidence partners on many areas that this Government is addressing, including around drug reform? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227eabf20075e45dfa2d6dc554171723f\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I can confirm that New Zealand First has been most constructive in many, many areas of policy work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225837b9eef7f04e2c8d5423a5c1c99ab3\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u2014Energy and Resources\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022 data-id=\u002249c325f6f56845799136811931eb19f7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002249c325f6f56845799136811931eb19f7\u0022\u003EPRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Energy and Resources: What announcements has she made about energy-efficient heating sources as part of the Government\u2019s Warmer Kiwi Homes programme?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u00229aa700ec6da1452190c173f724ff6885\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229aa700ec6da1452190c173f724ff6885\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Energy and Resources):\u003C/span\u003E Last Thursday, I was pleased to announce that grants are now available for energy-efficient heating sources as part of the Government\u2019s Warmer Kiwi Homes programme. The grants cover two-thirds of the cost of efficient wood burners and heat pumps up to a maximum of $2,500. This latest announcement follows the launch of the targeted insulation programme last year, and I am happy to inform members that the first heat pump has been installed, and thousands of Kiwis have already had their homes insulated. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ae7a10cc6bcd4d54a88e9198de2dc553\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: Who\u2019s eligible for the grants?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d496dcfe97243c7bdc8086f37d3691f\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Owner-occupiers with a Community Services Card or who live in a lower-income area are eligible to receive a grant for an energy-efficient heat source. Homeowners can be referred via the Ministry of Health\u2019s Healthy Homes Initiative. In most cases, the house will need to have ceiling and underfloor insulation already installed to ensure the homeowner gains maximum benefit from the heating source. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f7976f607ae44319bf02e3c2b2a7db3\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: How does this fit with the Government\u2019s broader ambition to keep Kiwis healthy and warm over winter? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d74bf9071c0f4d45a28d636223f94441\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Helping insulate homes and installing energy-efficient heat sources will mean thousands of Kiwis can stay warm and healthy over winter and they\u2019ll use less electricity. This Government is also providing the winter energy payment to help nearly a million New Zealanders with their electricity bills. In the coming months, I\u2019ll be releasing the Government\u2019s response to the Electricity Price Review to make sure power bills are kept in check.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c80c305ddff34a2aa1f99f7309146dc2\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u0022e5719a57bf21496b81176829f2521e65\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e5719a57bf21496b81176829f2521e65\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Does he stand by all of the Government\u2019s policies, statements, and actions in relation to the economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022c786dfec096b4367b5e1fa18f7a98999\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c786dfec096b4367b5e1fa18f7a98999\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, in the context in which they were given and undertaken. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a8c43425972453597706419c21f0720\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does the average household in New Zealand pay more or less tax now compared to when the Government took office, as a result of his Government\u2019s policies? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb1c53bbe169473aa279e1793c5ee1e6\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t have that information, precisely, to hand. What I do know is that we very proudly campaigned on withdrawing the tax cuts that the previous Government was going to impose that would have disproportionately benefited the wealthy in New Zealand, and instead put that money towards making sure that low and middle income families are better off, and we\u2019re very proud of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7967ff0539f42878c70a6063bf4142e\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he think the average wage earner with no kids pays a fair amount of tax?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237bb631cd88c48f4900337bde0657118\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I believe that our tax system, by and large, is fair. There is always room for improvement, but in New Zealand we have relatively low rates of income tax compared to the rest of the world. In fact, most New Zealanders receive excellent value for money from the tax they pay and the public services they get. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022728429dc1b3f456e824db58990c7f62f\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Just in rough terms, when he refers to low rates of income tax, how much income tax does the average wage earner with no kids pay?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b6c7d487f22e45c1a5fc325ff96a184f\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Again, I\u2019m not going to stand in the House and give an inaccurate statement. What I am going to say is that when we compare ourselves to other countries around the world, we have overall relatively low rates of tax. We don\u2019t have, as other countries have, state taxes that get in between central government and the taxpayer. So, overall, I believe we\u2019ve got a tax system that\u2019s fair. If the member wants to put down in writing a very specific question like that, I\u2019m very happy to answer it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002248d5b76917b441f69146cf3b70963941\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he accept that the increase in petrol taxes has contributed to pressure on New Zealand families?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002259d3c689102a4e0f92f6d4b23eb7d7ac\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Obviously, all New Zealanders who use cars and put petrol in them have to pay for that petrol, and if the member wants to define that as pressure, he can. But what I note about the increases that the Government has made in fuel tax, in 2018 it was exactly the same percentage increase as made by the National Government in 2013; the percentage increase this year is exactly the same as the percentage increase made by National in 2014; the percentage increase for 2020 is exactly the same as the percentage increase National made in 2015. The way that we pay for our roads and our transport system in New Zealand is through petrol tax, and that is what the previous Government did and it\u2019s what this Government\u2019s doing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022379136201eb94c08a2d913be4a04dd57\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Is he sure that the Kiwi motorist will get good value for the extra fuel taxes, given the transport Minister\u2019s assertion that we have over-invested in roads?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224530388c195e4680b2fdcf78857b0a9a\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m extremely confident that New Zealanders will see the investment from this Government in the whole of the transport system\u2014in public transport, in roads; not just in big highways but roads in the regions, making sure that we actually take safety on the road seriously. On this side of the House, we have a transport plan that covers all modes, and, yes, I\u2019m confident that\u2019s value for money.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f3618b92a5294e36987b2aa55250c2b8\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he accept that the proposed new car tax will increase the cost of buying a car, for most New Zealanders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222306c6e403eb489cbcd20f3e52cc42a1\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I reject the premise of the member\u2019s question. The Crosby/Textor - style spin doesn\u2019t actually work so well in New Zealand. New Zealanders know that we need to make some transitions in our vehicle fleet. Also, I note that he might just want to check that position with Todd Muller, who\u2019s actually very comfortable with the Government\u2019s policy, as opposed to perhaps him or his leader.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002253b6b2b6b52942e68610710fef7ee440\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u2014Housing\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u0022b2b1a347e8b04007bb785206521242c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b2b1a347e8b04007bb785206521242c4\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (National\u2014Papakura)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing: Does the KiwiBuild programme remain a policy for the Government to build affordable homes over the next 10 years, as stated in the Speech from the Throne?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u0022ae1d6935288046dfad259edb15c33ac7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ae1d6935288046dfad259edb15c33ac7\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Housing):\u003C/span\u003E Yes. As the Prime Minister stated in the Speech from the Throne, housing is a top priority for this Government. Action will be taken to address homelessness, State house sell-offs will stop, and the State will take the lead in building affordable houses. Our Government remains committed to all these housing priorities, including getting New Zealanders into affordable homes over the next 10 years. As I\u2019ve publicly indicated, the KiwiBuild programme hasn\u2019t worked the way we wanted it to and I\u2019m currently resetting the policies. Targets and time lines could be part of this reset. I\u2019ll be taking a paper through the Cabinet process later next month.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f845f51732d74a7d82d067d02aaccdb1\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: In what way does she consider the purchase of 10 already completed houses in \u014Ct\u0101huhu by KiwiBuild is evidence of a Government building houses rather than just buying some?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221014aaef59a8401d9777ef6f52b64b56\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Over the last two days, I have explained to the member the way in which that purchase can work. But one thing I would like that member to understand is that on this side of the House, we do not consider that KiwiBuild has worked the way we wanted it to. That is why we are resetting it. This is not easy, and we have the courage to admit that. That party should know that. They tried to build 39,000 houses in the special housing areas over three years. They only achieved 3,100 of those houses and, of those, only 100 were affordable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a285b5b095049928c30ff24ddd5ec71\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Well, that was very interesting, but I asked specifically: in what way does she consider the purchase of 10 already completed houses in \u014Ct\u0101huhu by KiwiBuild is evidence of a Government building houses? That was not addressed, in my opinion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002250c2d6a5927748b1a9837a73e13ecad0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And I think, at the very first line\u2014I probably let the Minister run on a bit long\u2014I inferred that she indicated that she didn\u2019t think that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002206a64cf73f744d6ca789ec29be1ef834\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Excellent. Was NZ Living\u2019s agreement to provide houses to KiwiBuild at Northcote contingent on the Government buying unsold houses at \u014Ct\u0101huhu?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200e663b4abf04474a0c1b7d433c05afa\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: As, again, we\u2019ve previously discussed during the course of the week in this House, the developer of the Northcote development has publicly said that there is a chain in terms of the three developments, and that the Northcote development would have only been a twinkle in his eye without KiwiBuild. But let me repeat: on this side of the House, we do not consider that KiwiBuild has been operating in a way that we are satisfied with. This is not easy; that is why we are resetting it. That party failed, when they were in Government, to deliver affordable housing in the volumes required. We in this Government are not prepared to give up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230382b2e93ba4ee9a4d5225019026e8a\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Is it appropriate for KiwiBuild to buy houses off developers on a \u201Cwe\u2019ll scratch your back; you scratch ours\u201D basis, as seems to have happened between \u014Ct\u0101huhu and Northcote?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4bb76da39894cf999f3ce33f54a3ad2\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: I reject the premise of that question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e43ae6356d04b94a4271a0594e2a826\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: What third-party verification, if any, has she received for the claims of developers that the Government purchasing already built houses in one place has driven them to build houses in another place?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002251adcf6c957b4a738cc2abce5b8eef61\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: The developer has publicly spoken about it. I\u2019m happy to forward the information through to the member if she would like to see it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd295fad06204bafbefe0aaf29cb0339\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Thank you so much. I asked what third-party verification, if any, had she received for the developers\u2019 claim. Simply telling me the developers have claimed it\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa17f36d679942e18d9813739d524a0a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I think it\u2019s fair to say that that part of the question was not addressed, and the Minister will address it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022871411d1a5784f47b616f7f8afc220d4\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: What we do have are public comments from the developer saying his opinion of what his actions would have been. In answer to that question: no\u2014someone hasn\u2019t come out and said, \u201CWhat he said is right.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c0b66ecf4ad14e428681c879caefed1e\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: So, then, is the Minister saying that she\u2019s simply taken the word of the property developer, without any verification\u2014any third party\u2014that new housing got to be built because KiwiBuild came along and bought up houses that hadn\u2019t sold in \u014Ct\u0101huhu from them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fde7d155c56a47d2931a83fb3081b234\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: We actually do live in a world where people do say what a consequence of their actions was, and we take it as read. I know that people on that side of the House there do as well. But let me remind that member again: we do not think KiwiBuild has been delivering in a way that we are happy with. We are resetting the policy settings because housing is too important. That member might want to come to this House and play political games; I have yet to hear a positive suggestion in the 501 days she has been the Opposition housing spokesperson about what she would do to fix this. We will not give up on this. I\u2019ve been the housing Minister for 28 days, and I\u2019m giving it a lot of thought.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c57f6bb66dc44b5086bc173692ffe5c9\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u2014Defence\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022 data-id=\u0022b1a53da348e148f3b7f6d464f4e38082\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b1a53da348e148f3b7f6d464f4e38082\u0022\u003EMARK PATTERSON (NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Defence: What support is the New Zealand Defence Force providing to the Fox River clean-up effort?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u002290fe6a10ee12479d844cc246a79047fb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002290fe6a10ee12479d844cc246a79047fb\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK (Minister of Defence):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Since 20 June, the New Zealand Defence Force has been supporting a Department of Conservation - led clean-up, under the code name Operation Tidy Fox, in the Fox River area of the West Coast that was impacted by severe flooding. With tonnes of rubbish strewn across two of the region\u2019s pristine rivers and coastline, over an area equivalent to 3,000 rugby fields, the need for the Defence Force to respond alongside of the Department of Conservation volunteers, in support of the West Coast community, was clear. Accordingly, in mid-August, the New Zealand Defence Force is deploying, in phases, up to 70 personnel, vehicles, and aircraft to support the Fox River clean-up, with further helicopter support planned to help remove rubbish from more remote locations later.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ceccdd5d91743b69627945b26c7a4fc\u0022\u003EMark Patterson\u003C/span\u003E: How does this effort support the coalition Government\u2019s defence policy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022560812f506954daa8b40c60aa6d072fd\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: Fifty-three personnel are currently\u2014I\u2019m sorry, did I get the wrong supplementary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022294ea79205314cb6a843266a796aae60\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: While the member\u2019s doing it, can he tell the House why the operation was named after him?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce73332b251b46e68e0d8e1cc34f3d71\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: After\u2014ha, ha! Sorry, Mr Speaker; I\u2019ll start the question again. As part of the Strategic Defence Policy Statement 2018, the coalition Government reshaped New Zealand\u2019s defence policy in the context of delivering value to the community, the nation, and the world. Defence now has a specific outcome to support New Zealand\u2019s communities, their environmental wellbeing, and their resilience. This recognises the Defence Force\u2019s role to communities\u2014the communities from which it draws its personnel, and the communities from which it needs and accrues support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a59e0596afc4924abbe6a4b62c64837\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! That\u2019s enough, thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c72e221ae5b468a974d79d1f7e1c183\u0022\u003EMark Patterson\u003C/span\u003E: How many New Zealand Defence Force personnel are currently operating in the area, and what tasks are they undertaking?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225df66aae7b5b404b95f46009aa2913c9\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: Currently, there are 53 personnel deployed in the area taking part in the clean-up itself and supporting the Department of Conservation\u2019s incident management team, with a further 11 personnel deploying by tomorrow. Eight vehicles are deployed, including light operational vehicles to transport personnel and the medium heavy operational vehicles affectionately known as MHOVs, which have been used to transport the collected rubbish.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022aeecbd1641034dab98b1a10f7a9e1396\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u0022aa8c6088fd904fb5a3fd3ffbc0d3a398\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022aa8c6088fd904fb5a3fd3ffbc0d3a398\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: What dollar amount was expended on pharmaceuticals for the year ended 30 June 2009 according to Pharmac\u2019s 2008-09 annual report, and how does that compare with Pharmac\u2019s expenditure on pharmaceuticals reported in Pharmac\u2019s 2018 annual report?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u0022c56f1653f3144c4499e8e9d67f39a2d0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c56f1653f3144c4499e8e9d67f39a2d0\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA (Associate Minister of Health) \u003C/span\u003Eon behalf of the Minister of Health: I\u2019m surprised the member is asking about two Budgets delivered by the previous Government. According to its annual report in 2008-09, Pharmac spent $653 million on pharmaceuticals. In 2017-19, Pharmac spent $870.8 million on combined pharmaceuticals. I\u2019d also note that the combined pharmaceutical budget for 2019-20 is $995 million.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a4c5c02f796451c8a8c282ff3e8373a\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: So can she confirm, then, that the budget for pharmaceutical funding increased by an average of $24 million per year for the nine years since 2008-09?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b95a36139bb946a5a32919ced484541d\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: As I said in my primary answer, the budget was $653 million and then, in 2017-2018, $870.0 million. In terms of the annual increase per year, I do not have that level of figure, but the member is most welcome to put that level of question to the Minister of Health, who\u2019ll be happy to answer it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022226857a9d8bc4dbbad1560144a84b2d5\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: How can she stand by her part of the answer to the primary question that Pharmac funding this year is $995 million, when since 2018 the Government has appropriated zero dollars in the 2018 Budget and $10 million only in Budget 2019?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ed6d74d86704158942944196f5a625d\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: There was an increase of $10 million in this year\u2019s Pharmac budget, but I can say this: Pharmac\u2019s budget is now at an increased record level at $995 million\u2014close to $1 billion. That is up from $884.3 million in the last Budget delivered by that member\u2019s Government. Every year, as drugs come off patent and Pharmac is able to make savings, it means that it can purchase more drugs for more people\u2014that is, in terms of the advantages of that Pharmac model and this is one of the reasons why other countries are looking at the model we have here in New Zealand in terms of how we purchase drugs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294ddff3839844a0cbb1f1a3ab51ad79c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! That\u2019s well past answering the supplementary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e598b6d959654f6cb1fd28ae0b83561c\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: By what mathematical alchemy does $884.3 million plus $10 million equal $995 million?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b289082573924a0388eda5e1efccbdae\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: The amount of funding in terms of Pharmac\u2019s funding right now is $995 million. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2318841d5d9421098dfc7994d8ac5c1\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Are you sure about that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ba6db016494498aad5d7aed37241eee\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, this is the advice from Pharmac. In the last Budget delivered by that member\u2019s Government, it was $884.3 million. Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a535cfa966ef4cba8c8c232d8b5eb5c5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member has answered the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208181c560ae248df9955eef97dc811c0\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Is it that kind of financial\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022522c18e5306b4bcfb0a233c4aa7fc662\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry\u2014which member is making those noises? Well, if it\u2019s hiccups, go and get some water\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dc6c0f88-e781-476d-bca1-d1bf9b69302b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d71ce741e552475ea9d6cc0280de4b00\u0022\u003EHon Amy Adams\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, that wasn\u2019t me, sir. Sorry. I don\u2019t want to claim responsibility!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002215ca1e305bfd4961aa6981ca837233b5\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Is it that kind of financial acumen that means cancer sufferers like Blair Vining, Wiki Mulholland, Terre Maize, and many thousands of other New Zealanders are resorting to family charity and Givealittle pages in order to fund medicines under this Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c76cab3d8fa04b9795f005dac0f227bb\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: My heart goes out to Blair and his family, and I thank him for his advocacy and campaigning on the issue of cancer care. In terms of Pharmac\u2019s role, as defined under the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Act 2000, it is \u201Cto secure for eligible people in need of pharmaceuticals, the best health outcomes that are reasonably achievable from pharmaceutical treatment and from within the amount of funding provided;\u201D. While there are a range of factors affecting life expectancy, New Zealand has a high life expectancy relative to the amount of funding that we spend on pharmaceuticals. In particular, when we compare to the UK, to Canada, and to the USA, Pharmac is a really good model.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d7d0339d3d7341ea806b2abef140eb18\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Much more than necessary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c812b47b68e34cb09cdf1a4c9ebfd4af\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Does he accept that Pharmac can only purchase medicines if they are given the extra funding to do so?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223c9555bd2a8d44408d9a6501266ece38\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: The Pharmac model was established in 1993. This is a model that works very well for New Zealanders. Decisions on drugs and which drugs are funded are taken at arm\u2019s length from Ministers by Pharmac and they are based on solid evidence. We cannot have politicians second-guessing clinical experts. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aaf773135681467bb22aabaa1cafc55f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, the member will have another go because she didn\u2019t address the question. Do you want the question repeated?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d7e42245d704b19b7e4f27e88b04349\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: Yes please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228f6f1122627146f7ba01ce64594f4b19\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Does he accept that Pharmac can only purchase extra medicines if they are given extra funding?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b96d5f2968f46a1a8ec3cd5dd3ab7e1\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: I accept that Pharmac has that role, and I want to reiterate that Pharmac has $995 million right now in order to do their role.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ecf595ca3ebd44248a3adacb7f597761\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u2014Transport\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022e763b79436004ec299267505d2376b74\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e763b79436004ec299267505d2376b74\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National\u2014Hutt South)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Transport: Is it correct that \u201Cdespite being previously funded, two roundabouts on State Highway 58 in Porirua won\u2019t be built until more money becomes available, which means they won\u2019t make their planned 2020 completion date\u201D, as reported by Stuff on 21 May 2019, and is she concerned that these safety upgrades have been delayed on what NZTA has described as \u201CWellington region\u2019s most dangerous road\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022 data-id=\u00224580ebce8a6e45b8ae5233102b8a7024\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224580ebce8a6e45b8ae5233102b8a7024\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW (Minister for Climate Change)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Associate Minister of Transport: On behalf of the Minister, I\u2019m advised that funding for the State Highway 58 programme, including the two roundabouts that Mr Bishop refers to, was set aside in late 2017 based on early estimates. Subsequent analysis showed that the project would cost more than first estimated, and it was split into two stages. In the next few months, work will begin on the stage one safety upgrades. This will include extending median barriers, installing side barriers in high-risk spots, adding an uphill crawler lane, and adding sealed shoulders. I\u2019m advised that the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) has approved funding to progress preparatory work for stage two upgrades. This includes funding to progress land acquisitions and consenting for work on the two roundabouts. NZTA will consider funding for the two roundabouts once Transmission Gully has been completed, simply because starting earlier would create disruption on the roads. This is just one component of the Government\u2019s $1.4 billion road safety programme that will upgrade over 3,300 kilometres of State highways by 2021.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0181de7695c4585a56441029d89eba9\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Why have these safety improvements been delayed when there have been four accidents on State Highway 58 in the last week alone, including this morning?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224bce14d9cbc44e9993ae4a00eb799d44\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: As I said in response to the primary question, there was funding for the entire State Highway 58 programme allocated based on earlier estimates, but subsequent analysis showed that the project would cost more than first estimated and it was split into two stages. Therefore, in the next few months, work will begin on the stage one safety upgrades. That includes the median barriers, installing side barriers in high-risk spots, adding an uphill crawler lane, and adding sealed shoulders. Having done that work, and once Transmission Gully has been completed, work will begin on stage two.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229de4e080da644b139816180804993421\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Will phase two of the safety improvements to State Highway 58 be in place by the time Transmission Gully opens?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ed166c0bdcb4ae6bac63df74f0d807c\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: As I said in response to the primary question, NZTA will consider funding for the two roundabouts that Mr Bishop refers to once Transmissions Gully has been completed, simply because [Interruption] starting earlier would create disruption on the roads.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022271c91f7f174451e91824525797a91d7\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I\u2019m going to ask the member to repeat it. Some of us have quite a lot of interest in this, and interjecting on these safety matters, I think, shows a bit of lack of taste.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221dda6866cddc4379b53b443836a0bded\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: As I said in response to the primary question, NZTA will consider funding for the two roundabouts once Transmission Gully has been completed, simply because starting earlier would create additional disruption on the roads.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e3b6c3df8fc47da93949a61d30a456c\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Is she concerned that deaths and serious injuries on State Highway 58 could nearly double once Transmission Gully opens, according to the AA, and why has the Government not prioritised these safety upgrades earlier to make sure they\u2019re in place by the time Transmission Gully opens?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ebd3c135f78042568d81ffcc72526dce\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: Well, as I said, under the previous Government there was an initial estimate of the amount of funding it would take to do the safety upgrades. Subsequent analysis under the current Government showed that it was going to be more expensive than the early initial estimates, and that\u2019s why the programme was broken into two halves. We\u2019re extremely concerned about road safety, particularly on State Highway 58. That\u2019s why this Government has created a $1.4 billion road safety programme to upgrade 3,300 kilometres of roads around New Zealand by 2021.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224d922499132942beb43622f1eeb01b7e\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Why is she using funding constraints as an excuse when she is happy to trumpet in the House and around the country that the Government is making road safety a priority and that they\u2019re spending $1.4 billion on road safety?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd7bce87f09f47a1bf5fcd468dcfe75b\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: Quite simply because the previous Government didn\u2019t put enough money into this project.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e7e9fcf80c34e3aa797fe69000e9b77\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: What changed between March 2018, when the NZTA said \u201Cit\u2019s a priority for the Agency to make significant safety improvements as soon as possible,\u201D and May 2019, when the NZTA confirmed that these much-needed safety improvements would not be in place?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a6268fbca7244f4fbd5cd7fe4f2454b7\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW\u003C/span\u003E: As I said in response to the primary question, subsequent analysis on the package that was put together in late 2017 showed that the overall State Highway 58 programme was going to be more expensive than initially indicated, and therefore it was split into two halves. I know that the member is extremely familiar with the process of project planning and budgeting for highway projects, including road safety projects. The process was followed, and each part of that project has to go through its own business case.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220b9b38b91fe940699641f5084a11c4f7\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u2014Education\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022 data-id=\u00225f8c3957912d44a3ba74133d84408c1d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225f8c3957912d44a3ba74133d84408c1d\u0022\u003EJAN TINETTI (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: What announcements has the Government made about providing a long-term plan for building classrooms to meet student growth?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u00222af6f1fb97104a3389af6633df7ebf5c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222af6f1fb97104a3389af6633df7ebf5c\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Good news: earlier this month, the Government released the overview of the National Education Growth Plan, showing how the Government is planning for 100,000 additional places for students in high-growth areas out to 2030. It\u2019s supported by the largest investment ever by a New Zealand Government in school property. The $1.2 billion that we\u2019ve put in, coupled with the additional funding that we already have, gets us half way to meeting the forecasted growth out to 2030. The National Education Growth Plan is a first for New Zealand. It is the first time that a national plan has identified where new schools might be needed to be built, and the additional classrooms needed in current schools, providing certainty to parents, communities, and, of course, the building and construction sector.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022320cc29d1e0842ccbc9f99f22cde61b5\u0022\u003EJan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: How does the National Education Growth Plan show parents and communities the additional students coming into their regions to 2030, and are planning for it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002245671b631e1e49f3a5086e9875f614ab\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: There are 39 individualised plans for around the country that provide high-level time lines out to 2030, showing how additional students coming into high-growth areas will be catered for, indicating where investment in school property is likely to be. The plan that we announced last week included the individual growth plans for Auckland and for Te Tai Tokerau, and we\u2019ll be releasing further plans over the coming months.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221aaf08df38874d59bcf2c3556922504b\u0022\u003EJan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: What announcements have been made to deliver modern, warm classrooms in Auckland and Tai Tokerau as part of the National Education Growth Plan?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b381a37d6c14412e98f253fc584b4c16\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: When we announced the regional plans for Auckland and Te Tai Tokerau, we announced an additional $200 million investment from the $1.2 billion fund. This investment sees $20 million for the construction of a new primary school in Milldale Wainui, which will cater for 370 additional students; $155 million for 228 additional roll growth classrooms across 42 different schools in Auckland, catering for around 4,700 additional students; and $5 million for the expansion of an existing primary school, catering for 250 additional student places. Around $20 million will provide 27 additional roll growth classrooms to nine schools across the north, catering for 500 additional student places.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228bcf80f3d8064109832a989e131f6e84\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u2014Police\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022 data-id=\u00226a6940cbfff94fcd86dd7d4e1f8358cb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226a6940cbfff94fcd86dd7d4e1f8358cb\u0022\u003EBRETT HUDSON (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Police: Does he stand by all the Government\u2019s statements, actions, and policies in relation to firearm law reform?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u002233b89cee639b4d318f9617a8314041ef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002233b89cee639b4d318f9617a8314041ef\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister of Police):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, in the context they were made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dbba9a2dcbce4497ba5390c2907ca9f9\u0022\u003EBrett Hudson\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Government support the introduction of firearm prohibition orders to target illegal firearm use by gangs and violent offenders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022057196d98f054c1aa7f5a5a69d7c18ee\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: It wasn\u2019t that long ago that a previous Prime Minister, Bill English, had to correct one of his senior colleagues when it came to firearms prohibition orders, because they do raise human rights issues. As I have said, though, I am open to firearm prohibition orders, and I have asked police to undertake work on the possible design of this regime to further restrict serious violent offenders\u2019 access to firearms. We\u2019ll look to consult more widely on this outside of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022020e84ba2f6c4a49941cde5204bee9e0\u0022\u003EBrett Hudson\u003C/span\u003E: Why, after almost a year since opposing National\u2019s firearm prohibition bill, is the Government still not ready to even start consultation on firearm prohibition orders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b7c42a2d4864811a1cde682cc5089dc\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Two things I would say\u2014and I\u2019ll just repeat that in the previous Government, the Rt Hon Bill English actually had to chastise the then Minister of Police for a flawed bill because of the human rights issues. What I have said, and I will repeat, is that I am open to firearm prohibition orders. I have asked the police to do some work in this area, and we will consult in due time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d4daab4b0d4e43aeb15f5151380ee7fb\u0022\u003EBrett Hudson\u003C/span\u003E: Why isn\u2019t he introducing reforms targeting gangs and criminal firearm use, and instead focusing on law-abiding New Zealanders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ee62a5133d94540b662b87c426fc1ff\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: The Cabinet minute that will be proactively released shortly, in summary, will confirm that if a person is a member of, or has close affiliations with, an organised crime group or a gang, this will be an indicator of their likelihood of being a fit and proper licence holder. There is one other point I\u2019d like to make: in our 1,800 additional officers that we are delivering to our communities, 700 of those are going to be in organised crime squads. We are doing a lot of work to go after organised crime.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee870c93f5904120ac82cd40f52fed40\u0022\u003EBrett Hudson\u003C/span\u003E: What members of Parliament or their offices have made representations to him advising against introducing firearms prohibition orders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f864a87d6085415a89e365d17286e115\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: No members of Parliament have advised against introducing firearm prohibition orders. But I would reiterate that I am not against firearm prohibition orders. I have asked the police to do some work around this, and we will consult.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dfc53700bfc443a59e7e68035636361d\u0022\u003EBrett Hudson\u003C/span\u003E: Why is the Government undermining the ability for New Zealanders to have their say on his reforms by only permitting a three-month select committee process?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002224f31684bd194b43978eadebff0296c4\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The Minister does not decide a select committee process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220535702c099a4309abb14e55a22688e8\u0022\u003EBrett Hudson\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. It was noted in the Government\u2019s announcements the other day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226a38be7562bc40e2ab2783053ad17c0b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, but the Parliament makes that decision. I don\u2019t care what the Government wants to do\u2014that\u2019s not relevant; they can\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203fd985b-4fb8-4111-ba38-5033a254d962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022838f9e94d2784a0e86063e594a7b049c\u0022\u003EBrett Hudson\u003C/span\u003E: Why is the Government seeking to undermine the ability for New Zealanders to have their say on his reforms by proposing a three-month select committee process?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226396bd0450e040bd89f0de2961a46de6\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: What I would say is the changes that we are making should come as no surprise to anyone. There has been no meaningful change to firearms legislation in 36 years. In fact, if that member did his research, he would find that a number of the recommendations made were outlined in the Thorp report in 1997.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e23b1f5934ba404d80c55dd173e30b70\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u2014Social Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u0022afe04bd2bbae4aa3bf97f364d2777d68\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022afe04bd2bbae4aa3bf97f364d2777d68\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Deputy Leader\u2014National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Social Development: How many working-age people are on the jobseeker support benefit at the end of June 2019 compared to June 2018, and how many more working-age people are on the jobseeker support benefit in June 2019 compared to September 2017?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022 data-id=\u0022d0d327d74b9e469ea371e6a691ce3ef2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d0d327d74b9e469ea371e6a691ce3ef2\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for Social Development):\u003C/span\u003E The number of people receiving jobseeker support as at the end of June 2019 was 136,233. As at the end of June 2018, it was 122,513. At the end of September 2017, it was 120,726. This includes people who are actively seeking work and those who are unable to look for work due to a health condition or disability. The difference is 13,720 and 15,507 respectively. As a percentage of the working-age population, this is a 0.4 percent increase from September 2017 to June 2019.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022662d5a46c18c4e478dcbd2765dd2983c\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Why does she keep blaming population growth, as she has previously, as a primary reason for the increase in jobseeker support benefit recipients, when other benefits have not increased at the same rate?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022376976a623ee4cbab464669fe421be5f\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: The member is being disingenuous. I was very clear in the House yesterday that population growth is one of the reasons, but the other reasons are that there has been softening in particular sectors\u2014and I\u2019ve referred to a couple of those, manufacturing and retail being two examples. Also, employers are looking for a level of skill that our Ministry of Social Development clients aren\u2019t always equipped with. That is why this Government is focused on upskilling and training, so that people can get into meaningful and sustainable employment, and so we don\u2019t see the churn on and off benefit that we saw under them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223bb6b7b84f124eb4a4e02c023fc47d9d\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: If the Minister is so interested in training and support, would she be surprised to hear that there are an extra 5,000 18- to 24-year-olds on the jobseeker support benefit since September 2017, and that the Mana in Mahi programme has completely failed them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f853dd0b04154e548afd8ebf596e171b\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: What we have seen is a reduction of young people going on to the youth payment, which is very positive. Mana in Mahi has not been a failure at all. A 70 percent retention rate for young people, who often have very complex needs, is actually very positive. That 70 percent retention rate is much more positive than what we saw under the previous Government, when nearly 50 percent of those who went off benefit, after their welfare reforms, were back on within 18 months.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235e08180058449ef868f2cbc4edad1ce\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: So when there are 5,000 more young people on the jobseeker support, how many young people have gone through the Mana in Mahi programme?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ff1a3b968544a7ba6bb0a998f12f318\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: We have reached our target of making sure that in the first tranche, there would be 150. But, as we saw at the Budget, we have budgeted for 2,000 places. We see this as a real opportunity. The Ministry of Social Development is about providing financial support but also supporting people into meaningful and sustainable employment, and we\u2019re taking that opportunity and working with these young people in their aspirations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022204f87244feb4da2bcf2f08789e2d9b2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just before we have the next supplementary, I\u2019m going to do something which occurred in the House yesterday, and remind the member that there is a microphone system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222274cd5bc92849b488a311bb1d08b4fe\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: What role do place-based initiatives\u2014or PBIs, as they\u2019re often called in emails\u2014have to play with helping vulnerable New Zealanders up to the age of 24 into meaningful employment?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be327b7a1df84f00b446dca27bf0a5b4\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: There\u2019s some wonderful work going on with the place-based initiatives. If I refer to the Manukau one, they\u2019re looking at the complex needs that many of these families are encountering, and, obviously, employment is one of those areas. We understand that, actually, for many of these families, there are a range of challenges that they might encounter, and that\u2019s why, with regards to those that come through the welfare system, it\u2019s about not just what we\u2019re able to provide through the welfare system but the support that we\u2019re providing across Government, including\u2014can I refer to\u2014the $1.9 billion investment into mental health.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022618ecda70b234d9a93185bb79c8d2dc9\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u2014Small Business\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022 data-id=\u00221478302530794f5ea7faea7fc3146233\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221478302530794f5ea7faea7fc3146233\u0022\u003EMARJA LUBECK (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Small Business: What recent announcements has he made about making it easier for small businesses to access services from multiple Government agencies?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u00229ed39f87618240b2bd241373ea2999fb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229ed39f87618240b2bd241373ea2999fb\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister for Small Business):\u003C/span\u003E One of Budget 2019\u2019s priorities was to create opportunities for productive businesses, and to support them to thrive in the digital age. Last week, I was pleased to announce that $7.1 million had been dedicated to a new digital service to make dealing with Government easier. Business Connect is a new digital platform that will be available later this year to allow small businesses to interact seamlessly via a single portal. In time, it will streamline the way central and local government services can be applied for, managed, and tracked. New Zealand consistently ranks number one as the easiest country to do business, but there is still progress to be made, and this Government is committed to finding and funding those ways.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226da5627c6fe14a769750e8062d6cd5fb\u0022\u003EMarja Lubeck\u003C/span\u003E: How will the new platform Business Connect help small businesses?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220276372f30064da998de1757d09f21a9\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Small businesses and businesses in general tell us that they sometimes find public services complex to navigate and fragmented, and it takes more time than it should to deal with repetitive paperwork. We have heard their appeals and are responding. By integrating access to multiple services and agencies, Business Connect will cut out repetitive paperwork. In time, businesses will be able to apply for a range of permits, licences, and consents without having to repeat the same information and documentation over and over again. Examples could include services that help make it easier to comply with food safety regulations. They will also be able to track the status of their applications, and be notified online of approvals and renewals.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a15a6abbd4442d79e4146d9ee48a0ad\u0022\u003EMarja Lubeck\u003C/span\u003E: What Government agencies are currently signed up to the Business Connect, and will this be extended to other agencies?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002221fe94947303476c95b8c24d811d6326\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: Business Connect has two major phases. Phase one will initially trial services from three agencies. These are the Ministry of Primary Industries, the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment, and the New Zealand Customs Service. Phase two is likely to include other agencies who are in the Better for Business programme, such as Inland Revenue, the Accident Compensation Corporation, the New Zealand Transport Agency, and Statistics New Zealand. Officials are in active discussions with some local councils as well. The agencies in this programme account for around 93 percent of business interactions with Government and local government. We will be actively working with these agencies and local government on the services that make the biggest difference to businesses. Officials estimate the potential benefit to businesses and Government agencies from Business Connect is worth about $300 million per year. New Zealand, as mentioned, consistently ranks number one as the easiest country to do business\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002222aca6ffde67499fa517535457c41087\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! I think I\u2019ve heard that a few times recently.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b65c15f87f874b64ad678f6159c62114\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 12\u2014Environment\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022 data-id=\u00229836f4f097c64c53bf63012117cb39bb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229836f4f097c64c53bf63012117cb39bb\u0022\u003EDr PARMJEET PARMAR (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for the Environment: Does he stand by his statement about regulation of genetic engineering, \u201CI think that the precautionary approach hasn\u2019t done us any harm so far, either economically or environmentally\u201D; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u00221847279b22cb48f7b714e576707b4706\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221847279b22cb48f7b714e576707b4706\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, because it has benefited New Zealand, which explains why GM regulation did not substantially change over the last nine years of the previous Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b748b96048e44868b7eea625b2a62ee\u0022\u003EDr Parmjeet Parmar\u003C/span\u003E: Does he believe the Ministry for the Environment is incorrect to have concluded that New Zealand\u2019s regulatory framework for genetic modification, under the Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Act, is increasingly difficult to enforce and may be limiting the country\u2019s competitiveness?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223dcc3e6ecd734dada94e775a4630b4c2\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4e03ac31f5e423cac803ee88f5394c5\u0022\u003EDr Parmjeet Parmar\u003C/span\u003E: Has he asked for any further advice on the economic or environmental impact of continuing his precautionary approach in light of his colleague the Hon James Shaw\u2019s willingness to take a fresh look at the genetic engineering regulations in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022335caf29b46b423c9ef500c550e3f0cd\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t understand that the Hon James Shaw was proposing to abandon a precautionary approach in respect of GM. I did say to the Environment Committee last month that there is a rising issue as to whether or not some new genetically modified organism (GMO) techniques are distinguishable from other non-GMO changes. That issue is not quite upon us but may arise in the future, and the Prime Minister\u2019s chief science officer is bringing forward some advice in respect of that issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c280b0d62fd493497ca1c4daab5b618\u0022\u003EDr Parmjeet Parmar\u003C/span\u003E: Does he believe organisms created using gene editing technology present greater risk than naturally occurring organisms?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c12d7b7fcaed428b8d6df6e4c18e65fc\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not satisfied that that is yet sufficiently clear to allow those techniques to be unregulated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b2cc2d82e514bf6ada2460d23dddcb8\u0022\u003EDr Parmjeet Parmar\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with the Ministry for the Environment\u2019s advice that failing to update our legislation may result in organisms being regulated at a level not proportionate to the risk they pose and New Zealand missing out on the benefits they could provide, such as advancing success in reducing greenhouse gas emissions and pests?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d561e1c65b84e129bc18ff5b8ce767b\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: If there was a miracle cure for climate change brought about by a GM crop, I\u2019m sure that any Government would consider it. At the moment, it could be considered under the existing regulatory framework.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e6627dbdf23c407a8f362a9ae98515d8\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022058de8ee6483413db1f47053afe42ea0\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u00222d5ad884e2e34edea501989a14c0a9a5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222d5ad884e2e34edea501989a14c0a9a5\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave for all provisions to be taken as one debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022805fd23625ec4cef962c3a33bc8de707\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022805fd23625ec4cef962c3a33bc8de707\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: That leave is sought; I\u2019ll put that to the committee. Any objection? There is none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022151aeb53936e4b58be653747312fb9ab\u0022\u003EParts 1 to 4, Schedules 1 to 9, and clauses 1 and 2\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u00222a8d505476204030bbe740fe1efbb7fc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222a8d505476204030bbe740fe1efbb7fc\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E Following the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee\u2019s consideration of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill, there have been some minor technical amendments required to bring the bill into order. Supplementary Order Paper 256 makes technical amendments to the bill, largely to correct the legal description of a reserve site listed in Schedule 4, Part 1, of the bill. These amendments are minor; they do not change the redress package. For the benefit of Ng\u0101ti Rangi members who are in the gallery, we are just going through a bit of a tidy-up so the bill is absolutely pristine and perfect by the time we get to the third reading, which should be in a matter of minutes, and then we will be all go for that final step, the last hurdle, and then a cause for a great celebration.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 256 in the name of the Hon Andrew Little be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002212eb6cfad1854dc9a116b832cee8c79a\u0022\u003EParts 1 to 4, Schedules 1 to 9, and clauses 1 and 2\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000248\u0022\u003E as amended agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000249\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000250\u0022\u003EBill reported with amendment.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000251\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00224bb96d55b9844d0a9e26607acf1adb0f\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u00229315be32b558497789a71212eda67505\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229315be32b558497789a71212eda67505\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ETe Whare e t\u016B nei, te marae e takoto nei, t\u0113n\u0101 k\u014Drua. E ng\u0101 mate i te w\u0101, haere atu r\u0101. Ki a koutou te hunga ora, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Ki a koutou hoki Ng\u0101ti Rangi, nau mai, haere mai, whakatau mai. N\u0101 koutou t\u0113nei rangi, n\u0101 reira rau rangatira m\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E[I greet both the House which stands here, and the marae which lies before us. To the deceased of this time, go well. To the living people, I greet you. And to you Ng\u0101ti Rangi, welcome, welcome, thrice welcome. This is your day, therefore my esteemed ones, greetings, greetings, greetings to all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThis is an immense day, and as I stand here, I am accompanied by this mauri stone that was gifted to me and to the Crown when we did the deed of settlement signing at the marae in the shadow of the great maunga Ruapehu in March last year. I\u2019m honoured to move for this bill to be enacted into law and for Ng\u0101ti Rangi to finally receive the benefits of a settlement which are long overdue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EWe are joined in the House by Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and I extend the warmest of welcomes to you all and thank you for making the journey to witness this, the final reading of your settlement bill. That you are here in such force is testament to the near unanimous support this settlement has amongst your iwi. Today, we can all be very proud of what has been achieved through this bill and celebrate the new beginning it promises for both Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EWe have come very far since 1840. When Ng\u0101ti Rangi t\u016Bpuna signed the Treaty of Waitangi, they envisioned a partnership. They made a commitment to work with the Crown for the betterment of their people, and the iwi has remained true to this commitment since 1840. But it is with profound remorse that I acknowledge that the Crown did not do the same. The Crown, in breach of the Treaty of Waitangi, treated Ng\u0101ti Rangi with indifference and failed to honour the Treaty partnership. Instead, the Crown started a war in the 1860s which ultimately forced Ng\u0101ti Rangi to make a stark choice: to join their whanaunga, who were resisting the Crown, or to join the Crown\u2019s forces. Ng\u0101ti Rangi t\u016Bpuna fought in the Whanganui native contingent of the Crown\u2019s forces. They did not make this choice lightly, and the impacts of their decision have reverberated through the generations of Ng\u0101ti Rangi uri. They made this sacrifice because they wanted their future generations to prosper as allies of the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Rangi t\u016Bpuna believed that alliance with the Crown would limit the harm of the colonial system, but this was not to be so. The Crown accepted the support of Ng\u0101ti Rangi willingly but did not reciprocate their generosity. The Crown introduced the native land laws in 1865, which enforced the conversion of communally owned land into individual private property, undermining the communal social structures M\u0101ori had held for centuries. The requirement for Ng\u0101ti Rangi to defend their interests in land or risk being excluded from its ownership further damaged the relationship between the iwi and their whanaunga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Rangi wanted to maintain their mana over their land, mana which had been held by the descendants of Paerangi since the first people came to the central North Island. However, the Crown purchased large areas of land that Ng\u0101ti Rangi sought to protect for their mokopuna. Ng\u0101ti Rangi made multiple attempts to protect their land over the 19th and 20th centuries, but the Crown did not support Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s attempts to retain control. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s association with their land is central to their history. Ng\u0101ti Rangi, along with their whanaunga, have a deeply felt responsibility as kaitiaki in the rohe that has been passed down through the generations. The Crown\u2019s Treaty breaches have caused Ng\u0101ti Rangi to endure significant socioeconomic disparity. Their language, culture, economy, health, and connection to the t\u016Brangawaewae have all suffered from the Crown\u2019s colonial regime. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EWith $17 million in financial redress and the option to buy the Karioi Forest, I\u2019m confident that Ng\u0101ti Rangi and, indeed, the entire community living at the foot of Matua te mana\u2014Mount Ruapehu\u2014will see the benefits of this settlement. This bill contains the Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika framework, which will establish a joint river entity comprised of all iwi connected to the Whangaehu River to work together for the benefit of the awa. With statutory recognition for the river and the mechanism to anchor the Crown in the arrangement, this bill provides for Ng\u0101ti Rangi and their whanaunga to practise their kaitiakitanga over the river m\u014D \u0101ke tonu atu\u2014for evermore. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe bill establishes Te Pae Ao, a joint management committee for 10 reserve sites. The Crown will also return land to Ng\u0101ti Rangi in six cultural sites, including the beds of the sacred Rotokura Lakes. This bill will vest defence lands at Te Onetapu in Ng\u0101ti Rangi. In a gesture of their continued generosity and sacrifice for this country, Ng\u0101ti Rangi will then gift this land back to the people of Aotearoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EWhile today signifies the conclusion of settlement negotiations for Ng\u0101ti Rangi, the iwi and the Crown will have work to do regarding the future arrangements of the Tongariro National Park. The Crown established the park in 1907 without any consultation with Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and failed for almost a century to provide any meaningful role for Ng\u0101ti Rangi over their most treasured maunga. Ng\u0101ti Rangi will play an essential part in these future negotiations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to acknowledge all of the people who have helped to realise this settlement between Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the Crown. Firstly, I express gratitude to the Ng\u0101ti Rangi kaum\u0101tua and t\u016Bpuna who took the first steps on this very long road towards reconciliation, with the submission of your first Wai claim in 1990. Those kaum\u0101tua and your t\u016Bpuna had a clear vision for your future, and I deeply regret that many are no longer with us to witness this momentous occasion where their vision becomes a reality. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI must also acknowledge the hard work of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Trust. You took a risk in being the first iwi of your district to settle, and to settle in accelerated time frames. You worked tirelessly and held the Crown to account in every detail of the settlement. You did not compromise on the values and aspirations at the heart of this settlement. It is because of your work that this settlement is so comprehensive. I have absolute faith that Te T\u014Dtarahoe o Paerangi will continue to lead Ng\u0101ti Rangi into the future with the same foresight and integrity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI also thank all the Crown agencies that have contributed to this bill. The depth of relationship agreements in this bill is a testament to the commitment of the entire Crown to be a Treaty partner to Ng\u0101ti Rangi. In particular, I acknowledge Dr John Wood for leading the Crown team; Briar Gordon from the Parliamentary Counsel Office, who led the drafting of this bill; my officials at Te Arawhiti; and the officials across all agencies who worked on this settlement. This is a day on which all of you also can be very proud. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ELastly, I thank all of the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, those who have come today to see this bill enacted and those who are not able to join us. Thank you also for receiving the Crown\u2019s apology at Raketapauma Marae last year. You have patiently led the Crown to understand how it has hurt your iwi and how it can change. Your courage to confront the past and your endless generosity to allow the Crown a second chance is inspiring. I believe that your faith in the Crown and our new partnership is justified, and it will be reciprocated and will be rewarding for both sides. I thank you all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EWhen the Ng\u0101ti Rangi deed of settlement was signed in March last year at the Raketapauma Marae, the Ng\u0101ti Rangi lead negotiator, Che Wilson, likened it to a new Treaty between Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the Crown, and in many ways that is true. Today, we are reaffirming our relationship with hope and a vision for the future generations of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, but it is also very different because on this occasion, unlike with the Treaty of Waitangi, the Crown intends to honour, and will be legally bound to honour, the new Treaty that we are making. Now, the Crown is making commitments in this bill that it will honour for ever. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EJust as this settlement signifies a new phase of our partnership, today symbolises a new beginning for Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the Crown. Where we go, we will go together, like that of waka hourua: two hulls working as one. I commend the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill to the House. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022 data-id=\u00223b2d9a31221a482a81b57d1d76ae772c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223b2d9a31221a482a81b57d1d76ae772c\u0022\u003EJO HAYES (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. Ka nui te mihi atu ki a koutou ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau wh\u0101nui o Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Nau mai haere mai ki Te Whare P\u0101remata i te r\u0101 whakahirahira. Kia ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E[Greetings, Madam Speaker. Many greetings to you the extended families of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Welcome to Parliament House on this important day. Greetings.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI stand here, humbled to be able to speak in the third reading of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EIt is always a joy in my heart when I stand here especially to speak to wh\u0101nau and hap\u016B of my mother\u2019s side of our family, our iwi, and to be here today to acknowledge the hard work of Ng\u0101ti Rangi t\u016Bpuna that I want to mention: John Tahup\u0101rae, the m\u0101ngai for the wh\u0101nau wh\u0101ngai, for the hard work that they did in getting to this place and in supporting the rangatahi to actually bring the claim here and complete it today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI too want to acknowledge the Ng\u0101ti Rangi chief negotiators Che Wilson, Carl Wilson, Kemp Dryden, Cassandra Reid, Shar Amner, and Toni Waho, who\u2019ve done an amazing job. I know that for many who are sitting in the gallery today who have travelled a long way, all the way from the from the hills of \u014Ch\u0101kune, in Ng\u0101ti Rangi rohe, this is going to be the start of an amazing journey for you. I know that you\u2019ve already started one, but this is actually going to really lift it right up with the ascension of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the Minister Andrew Little and also the Hon Chris Finlayson, who started the discussions with Che and team back before he left Parliament. I think the Hon Andrew Little has done a very good job at making sure that all the i\u2019s are dotted and t\u2019s are crossed, especially around the legislation and the various clauses that had to come back to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee so that we could make sure that your journey through to this point was going to be a very smooth one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EIn saying that, I also want to thank my colleagues on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, ably lead by Rino Tirikatene, who worked hard on being able to get up to the maunga. I was very\u2014how would you put it? My heart sang, actually, when we walked into that room for the submissions, when I saw the maunga Ruapehu streaming in through that window. It was almost like it was overlooking us, making sure that we did the right thing all the way through. To have that feeling, you just cannot put words in action about that feeling that I felt that day sitting in that room.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI want to also acknowledge our Crown negotiators, and I also want to send out a great big welcome to the Awa Tupua, who are sitting here, who are supporting you, Ng\u0101ti Rangi. We are all related, at the end of the day, so I\u2019ll most probably see you here on a number of occasions when we start getting through some of the Whanganui whenua claims as well. So I just want to acknowledge all of you who have come from Te Awa Tupua as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EWe all know I\u2019ve stood in this House many times talking about the quantum that iwi get through this claims process, and I\u2019ve always said that it is always never enough\u2014never enough\u2014but, actually, there isn\u2019t enough p\u016Btea in the coffers of the Crown or many businesses to be able to compensate for the atrocities that the t\u016Bpuna of Ng\u0101ti Rangi faced. You wouldn\u2019t think that it would take this long to actually get to this point, considering Ng\u0101ti Rangi t\u016Bpuna fought for the Crown on many levels. So to be here today is, as I said, a humbling moment for me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the framework for the Whangaehu Awa\u2014Te Wai\u016B-o-Te-Ika\u2014the governance framework. That has been a coup for Ng\u0101ti Rangi to actually have that as a governing framework for the Whangaehu Awa. I think that, for me, a lot of the k\u014Drero that\u2019s been said, that\u2019s been negotiated\u2014we have heard people who have been for the bill, people who have been against the bill, people who were going to try and come back over this bill, but today is the day that all of that will stop. And, as I look around the gallery, I see a number of tamariki and rangatahi sitting here. The bill is actually for you. This is your future. This is what your t\u016Bpuna fought for. This is what your pakeke got here today, and this is for you. And one day, when the trust managers and the board decide to step away, they will step away and leave for you a legacy for your future, for your children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003ESo, as I stand here today, I just want to say congratulations to Ng\u0101ti Rangi, congratulations to the mokopuna and the tamariki. I want to acknowledge and pay tribute to those who fought to get here\u2014the t\u016Bpuna\u2014and I am very proud and honoured to commend this bill to the House. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u00227dd8e9405644413980be04c30c00f523\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227dd8e9405644413980be04c30c00f523\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou \u014Dku rangatira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou Ng\u0101ti Rangi, Ng\u0101 Uri o Paerangi i Te Whare Toka. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, nau mai, whakatau mai. Nau mai, whakatau mai ki Te Whare P\u0101remata. N\u014D koutou t\u0113nei pire, t\u0113nei r\u0101. \u0100e, harikoa te ng\u0101kau ki te tu ki te mihi atu ki a koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ENg\u0101 mate huhua o te w\u0101, haere, haere atu r\u0101, hoki mai ki a t\u0101tou te kanohi ora e pae nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[So, greetings Madam Speaker. Greetings my leaders, and greetings to you Ng\u0101ti Rangi, the descendants of Paerangi i Te Whare Toka. Greetings, welcome, welcome. Welcome, welcome to Parliament House. This is your bill, your day. Yes, my heart is happy to stand and greet you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ETo those who have passed on, go in peace. Returning to the living, greetings to one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EIt is truly a delight to be able to speak in support of this bill at this third reading, and I want to add my welcome to Ng\u0101ti Rangi, who have travelled from far and wide to be here on this very historic occasion. I want to acknowledge all the dignitaries, the chiefs, and I want to acknowledge my fellow members of the House who are Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2014Joanne Hayes, who has just spoken, and many others who will follow after me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EIt was truly an honour to chair the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, as it is for all settlements, but to work through the Ng\u0101ti Rangi settlement was a real highlight because this is such a vibrant and forward- and future-focused iwi. It was evidenced by just the way things flowed through this settlement, whether it was the passage of the deeds and certain amendments that had to be made, but also in terms of working our way through some of the technical matters in the bill. But, all the while, Ng\u0101ti Rangi has a very clear plan; they know who they are, where they descend from, and we have recorded through Rukutia Te Mana, through this settlement, the historical redress and settlement matters, but it\u2019s also looking very much forward into the future for Ng\u0101ti Rangi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve been wondering as to\u2014there\u2019s an extra dimension to this settlement, and I was just sitting in my seat and it came upon me that it really goes back to Ng\u0101ti Rangi, ng\u0101 uri o Paerangi i Te Whare Toka [the descendants of Paerangi i Te Whare Toka].\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThis is more than just a temporal matter; this is more than just an earthly bill that we are considering here, because Ng\u0101ti Rangi is celestial. They descend from Paerangi. If I may, I want to\u2014well, I don\u2019t have the time but there\u2019s a beautiful k\u014Drero of the celestial stars of the Milky Way and how it was descended upon and created the fires within the sacred maunga, and the descendants from that, Paerangi. All of the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi here are the descendants of Paerangi. So we are literally among the stars today, because of the extra dimension that I\u2019ve certainly been privy to and we have all shared by working on the settlement. And so I want to acknowledge the rangatira because, on occasions like this, it doesn\u2019t happen overnight, and we know that this day has been decades in the making. We pay tribute and we remember those that led the way for Ng\u0101ti Rangi, fought and supported the kaupapa all the way through, just as I acknowledge the current negotiating team, led by Che Wilson and all of the wonderful team that have continued the mahi and led us through to this point. So we certainly do remember as well as celebrate such a very happy occasion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo, as has been traversed by Minister Little, there has been a lot of mamae, there are a lot of grievances which the Crown inflicted through acts or omissions on Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and they have been addressed through Rukutia Te Mana, through this settlement, which we are completing through the passage of this bill through the House today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s sort of common for me to do this on Treaty settlement speeches, but when I mention Ng\u0101ti Rangi I want to be all inclusive, and of course, from those celestial origins and passage, through Ng\u0101ti Rangi today, are all our beautiful wh\u0101nau that are up in the gallery today, and also all of those individuals that descend from Paerangi and all of these groups\u2014which I\u2019ll just quickly read out\u2014and all of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi ancestors: Ng\u0101i Tuhi Ariki, Ng\u0101ti Hioi, Ng\u0101ti Parenga, Ng\u0101ti Rangi-ki-tai, Ng\u0101ti Rangihaereroa, Ng\u0101ti Rangipoutaka, Ng\u0101ti Rangiteauria, Ng\u0101ti Rangituhia, Ng\u0101ti Tongaiti, Ng\u0101ti Tui-o-nuku, Uenukumanawawiri, Ng\u0101ti Patutokotoko. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThere are also other, essentially, descendants who\u2019ve exercised customary rights that descend from the t\u016Bpuna and, ultimately, to Paerangi. So that is Ng\u0101ti Rangi. I too, fondly\u2014vividly, actually, it\u2019s vivid in my mind the day when our select committee travelled up to \u014Ch\u0101kune and just the majestic splendour of koro Ruapehu that was smiling upon us that day. It was truly a memorable day, and I\u2019ll never forget it. That work has continued on through the passage of this bill. There\u2019s a lot that I could go on and mention but, I guess, when looking back at my earlier readings on this bill I laid down a wero to Mr McKelvie, as he may recall, around the pronunciation of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and all of those beautiful M\u0101ori kupu, the Reo M\u0101ori that flows all the way through in every name of all the entities and all of the principles and the pillars upon which Rukutia Te Mana rests; it\u2019s such beautiful reo, and the stories that go with it. So Mr McKelvie, I\u2019m looking forward to hearing that beautiful \u201CNg\u0101ti Rangi\u201D coming forth as the member for Rangit\u012Bkei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EWithout further ado, I just want to, finally, just end my sincere mihi to all who have travelled today, to all of our rangatira and our kaum\u0101tua and kuia. This is a very significant day. I have every confidence in Ng\u0101ti Rangi that\u2014we are so lucky in Aotearoa to have the richness and the history and the vibrancy of our iwi. Ng\u0101ti Rangi is very much leading the way in that regard, I\u2019m happy to say that: leading the way. I know all the way through the passage of this bill and the whole process, we have hit home base. This has been a home run. We\u2019ve gone round all the bases and I\u2019m certainly pleased that I\u2019ve been able to help, and that we will, as a House, be able to bring it on home this afternoon. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo without further ado, e aku rangatira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa [my leaders, greetings, greetings, greetings to us all]. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022 data-id=\u00229dde8f69c36e4a28a5907300f2c58ca8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229dde8f69c36e4a28a5907300f2c58ca8\u0022\u003EHon NICKY WAGNER (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. Ki ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Rangi, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. He nui aku mihi mahana, ng\u0101 mihi maioha, me ng\u0101 mihi aroha hoki ki a koutou. Nau mai ki t\u0113nei Whare, ki Te Whare P\u0101remata. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E[Greetings, Madam Speaker. To the descendants of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, greetings to you all. I have many warm greetings, affectionate greetings, and loving greetings to you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EToday is a celebration. It\u2019s a huge milestone for Ng\u0101ti Rangi, but it\u2019s also a huge milestone for the Crown and a huge milestone for New Zealand. It\u2019s a culmination of 28 years of negotiations, but, more importantly, it\u2019s a stepping off point for Ng\u0101ti Rangi to a new relationship with the Crown after nearly 180 years. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003ELike everyone today, I want to welcome you warmly to Parliament. It\u2019s wonderful to see so many of you here, and to see you in the legislative Chamber\u2014all sizes, all shapes, all ages. From the most respected elders to the youngest, it\u2019s fabulous to have you all here. I really want to acknowledge every single person, those that are here with us today and those that have passed, who have been involved over those 180 years on this journey to get here today. You know, when there\u2019s a long road of struggle we often talk about standing on the shoulders of those who have gone before. We talk about drawing strength from our ancestors, from our t\u012Bpuna. Today, we recognise that and we thank every single one of them for the contributions that they\u2019ve made. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EI want to think back to the strength of those first rangatira, those rangatira who signed the Treaty back in 1840. Those rangatira who signed that Treaty, they signed it with mana and with good faith. Their signatures reflected their powerful position. They were leading a prosperous community; they were embracing the future with confidence, and preparing to work with the Crown as equals. As leaders, they could see the benefits in a strong partnership with the Crown; the strong partnership that was promised by the Crown. And, in good faith, they saw opportunities of welcoming new settlers to the rohe, of leasing their land to them. From the very beginning, they had a very strategic and forward-thinking way of how they would manage the whenua, but they were let down. They were let down and sorely disappointed. During the difficult times of the 1860s and 1870s, they maintained their mana motuhake, they protected the rohe, and, strategically, they aligned themselves with the Crown. But the Crown did not repay their loyalty. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThe failures of the Crown have been well-documented\u2014the stripping of land rights, the fraudulent use of compulsory acquisition, the lack of compensation, and the lack of consultation, all of which resulted with a decimation of landholdings; hundreds and thousands of acres were reduced to 13,500. Today, in Parliament, the Crown publicly acknowledges all those betrayals and the Crown apologises for the many years of distress. So, today, as we pass the bill, Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the Crown look to a new relationship and look to a new future. At last, Ng\u0101ti Rangi will be able to exercise their kaitiakitanga, their manaakitanga, and their whanaungatanga, and all their customary rights and responsibilities over the land and their resources, now, and for the many years to come. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EI just want to conclude by acknowledging the work of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Trust who have worked so diligently for this settlement right through the 28 years, and the leaders and the negotiators\u2014in particular, Che Wilson and his negotiating team, and for the Crown, Dr John Wood and his team. I\u2019d also just like to make comment and support the Ministers who have supported this bill, from the Hon Chris Finlayson who got the ball rolling, to the Hon Andrew Little who has completed it, and everybody, actually, for completing it in record time once they started that negotiation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003ESo today, we celebrate. We celebrate, in the words of Shar Amner, another step towards healing the mamae between Ng\u0101ti Rangi and the Crown. We celebrate a negotiation well done by so many and, best of all, we celebrate a vision of an exciting future for Ng\u0101ti Rangi starting today\u2014starting today for this generation and for many more generations to come.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EKa nui te mihi atu ki a koutou a Ng\u0101ti Rangi, e te r\u014Dp\u016B rangatira, huri rauna i t\u0113nei Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E[Many greetings to you Ng\u0101ti Rangi, the esteemed group, right around this House, greetings, greetings, greetings to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EKia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u00225acea88f3950492ebb7da485f5860111\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225acea88f3950492ebb7da485f5860111\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Minister of Forestry):\u003C/span\u003E E ng\u0101 m\u0101tua, e ng\u0101 p\u016Bkenga, e ng\u0101 m\u0101rohirohi, mai i Te M\u0101nia Roa, Te K\u0101hui Maunga, m\u0101ku te k\u012B ko te whenua anuanu, haere mai, haere mai, haere mai. T\u0113nei m\u0101tou te mihi atu ki a koutou, atu i ng\u0101 kanohi M\u0101ori me \u014D m\u0101tou hoa P\u0101keh\u0101 m\u014D te kaupapa i whakarauika mai ai t\u0101tou ki konei i t\u0113nei r\u0101. Hei whakatat\u016B i t\u0113nei wahanga o te h\u012Bkoi, hei muhu i t\u0113tahi hara i utaina ki runga i te whenua, i utaina an\u014D hoki ki runga i ng\u0101 pakihiwi o \u014D koutou m\u0101tua. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI ahau i tamariki, koin\u0101 an\u014D t\u0101 m\u0101tou i m\u014Dhio ai m\u014D t\u014D koutou rohe, he whenua makariri. Me te m\u0101tau \u0113tahi o \u014D m\u0101tou kaum\u0101tua o Ng\u0101 Puhi, i haere ki te ako i a koutou me p\u0113hea te tope r\u0101kau. P\u0113r\u0101 i a Sonny P\u0113hi, w\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101ngata kuhukuhu i t\u014D r\u0101tou w\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EN\u0101 reira me mihi atu ahau ki a koutou, t\u014Dku rangatira, te h\u014Dnore Winitana e tautoko ana, me whakatutuki e t\u0101tou tahi i roto i t\u0113nei Whare, te kaupapa i t\u0113nei ahiahi. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou kata.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[To the elders, the skilled ones, the tenacious ones, from the central plateau, Te K\u0101hui Maunga, and I would say from the cold lands, welcome, welcome, thrice welcome. We acknowledge you, from both the M\u0101ori members and our P\u0101keh\u0101 colleagues for the purpose which has brought us all together here today; to complete this part of the journey, to correct a wrong which was imposed on the land, and imposed on the shoulders of your forefathers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EWhen I was a child, that was all we knew about your tribal area; it is a cold place. And we also knew that some of our elders from Ng\u0101 Puhi went to teach you how to chop trees down. The likes of Sonny P\u0113hi, those people who were involved in their time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ETherefore, I rightly acknowledge you, my leader, the honourable Winston for supporting; it should be executed in this House, the focus of this afternoon. Therefore, greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EA few M\u0101ori words to welcome and acknowledge the turnout today by Ng\u0101ti Rangi. A number of us were brought up on various stories, and one story\u2014you\u2019ve got to be careful when you\u2019re a M\u0101ori from the north talking about M\u0101oris from the south, but I\u2019m a politician today so I\u2019ll say what I like. A story is that a cluster of maunga existed in a slightly unhappy state of being in the centre of Te Ika-a-M\u0101ui. Depending on what story you tell, either P\u012Bhanga Maunga, a beautiful maiden, or another story, Ruapehu. Taranaki was feisty, unsuccessful in capturing the affections of the female maunga\u2014something I do not hope to experience in an electoral sense. Taranaki paved its way, thus leaving the current natural landscape features of the Wanganui River, the Te Ngaere wetlands and Tongariro was victorious. Ruapehu, according to this story, looks still with a great deal of affection to Taranaki. P\u012Bhanga, in another story, was eventually won over by Tongariro and actually retained and passed on, in the words of the waiata very famous in this part of Aotearoa around what we call in English the volcanic plateau, broadly speaking, o Te M\u0101nia Roa, \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EE h\u016B r\u0101 i Tongariro \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EKa mahana i taku kiri\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EN\u0101 Rangi mai an\u014D i m\u0101rena\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EKo P\u012Bhanga te wahine \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EAi pua ai hau, ai marangai\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EK\u014Dkiri e\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[Bubbling up at Tongariro \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ETo warm my body.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EIt was our father the Sky who married\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EPihanga as his wife\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EMaking the rain, the winds and the western storms.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EGo forth, my love.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI sing with a somewhat sketchy memory from my time at St Stephen\u2019s the final verse of that waiata because k\u014Dkiri means \u201Ccharge forward\u201D, and that\u2019s the challenge as we stand shoulder to shoulder with Ng\u0101ti Rangi and their whanaunga, that whilst we as M\u0101ori have had a proud history of protest, of resistance, we\u2019ve also learnt to cope with the politics of compromise. This most certainly, as Mr Tirikatene has said, was a compromise. It\u2019s a compromise that reflects the cultural, political, and economic reality that besets those of us who do still support the Treaty of Waitangi settlement process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI think all New Zealanders should doff their caps. Part of the whenua was gifted to Ng\u0101ti Rangi and then as part of the compromise it was gifted back to Aotearoa. We\u2019ve seen this gesture on numerous occasions, but despite frequently being written about in Government reports, it is very infrequently spoken about on talkback radio. This, in many respects, is the essence of how this House helps enact this legislation after the various negotiations, select committee process, voluminous accounts of departmental reports\u2014that it\u2019s an affirmation of mana whenua, it\u2019s an affirmation of indigenous identity, and it\u2019s an affirmation of spirit. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ESo our party, we most certainly support the passage of this legislation. It ought to be something that enjoys a bipartisan spirit, a spirit of collaboration and companionship. I know that you\u2019re all very, very industrious Catholics, so with that spirit of collaboration, pray for my tribe Ng\u0101puhi. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227940e9f2-9cea-43d5-8f16-3b470e34f47f\u0022 data-id=\u0022ed977d2d43cc49e897235fa578c0ca32\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227940e9f2-9cea-43d5-8f16-3b470e34f47f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ed977d2d43cc49e897235fa578c0ca32\u0022\u003EMATT KING (National\u2014Northland):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa Ng\u0101ti Rangi, nau mai haere mai ki Te Whare P\u0101remata m\u014D tana pire, [Greetings to you all Ng\u0101ti Rangi, welcome to Parliament House for this bill,] the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227940e9f2-9cea-43d5-8f16-3b470e34f47f\u0022\u003EThis is my first Treaty settlement speech. I\u2019m new to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and I asked my colleague, the good-looking blonde behind me, Harete Hipango, for an opening in Te Reo, and she gave me those lines. Then when I was in the select committee today, I asked Meka Whaitiri for some closing words\u2014over there. I said, \u201CPlease give me some appropriate words because I want to show respect and I want to speak in Te Reo.\u201D She\u2019s from Labour and I said, \u201CPlease don\u2019t let me look stupid, because I can do that quite well myself.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227940e9f2-9cea-43d5-8f16-3b470e34f47f\u0022\u003EWhat a great day for Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2014a great day and it\u2019s been a long time coming. I\u2019m really happy for the iwi; I really am. As I said before, this is my first speech on the Treaty settlement and I\u2019m new to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. It\u2019s a select committee like no other. It begins with a mihi, ends with a karakia, and in the middle we have a lot of laughs and we try and get a bit of work done. Our political differences are put to one side and we get on with it. My friend and colleague over there, Rino Tirikatene, is the chair of this committee, and you can\u2019t help but like the man. He\u2019s the only one in Parliament that I see eye to eye with, because we\u2019re both 6 foot 5 inches tall. We\u2019re the tallest in Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227940e9f2-9cea-43d5-8f16-3b470e34f47f\u0022\u003EThe Crown signed a deed of settlement with Ng\u0101ti Rangi, settling the historical Treaty of Waitangi claims in March 2018. I understand, and I know, that they gathered at an emotional deed signing ceremony at a marae in the Ruapehu district to mark the occasion. The settlement is significant and, more importantly, it includes a Crown apology and acknowledgment. It includes financial and commercial redress; cultural redress, including a statutory recognition of the Whangaehu\u2014am I right?\u2014River; and shared governance arrangements for this treasured awa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227940e9f2-9cea-43d5-8f16-3b470e34f47f\u0022\u003EI am told that the principle of cooperation is strong with Ng\u0101ti Rangi in their approach to their relationship with the Crown. This is significant and I live in eternal hope that, in my beloved Northland, Ng\u0101puhi may take a leaf out of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi playbook, agree on their leadership, and get around their negotiating table.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227940e9f2-9cea-43d5-8f16-3b470e34f47f\u0022\u003EThe historical claims of Ng\u0101ti Rangi are wide ranging. I\u2019m pleased to note that the deed of settlement was formally recognised by the Crown back in August 2014, under the previous National Government. I acknowledge the current Government for seeing it through to the end\u2014it\u2019s complex and with many moving parts and overlapping claims.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227940e9f2-9cea-43d5-8f16-3b470e34f47f\u0022\u003EI see, in the settlement, that Ng\u0101ti Rangi have invested some NZ Defence Force land in Wai\u014Duru and then seven days later, it\u2019s gifted back to the people of New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227940e9f2-9cea-43d5-8f16-3b470e34f47f\u0022\u003ESo the Ng\u0101ti Rangi deed of settlement is the final settlement for all historical Treaty of Waitangi claims resulting from acts and omissions by the Crown prior to 21 September 1992. It includes the agreed historical account, which is important. It includes the acknowledgment, the apology, cultural, conservation, Crown mineral redress, a cultural fund, relationship redress, and financial and commercial redress. More importantly, it includes recognition of the traditional, historical, cultural, and spiritual associations of Ng\u0101ti Rangi with places and sites owned by the Crown, within their area of interest; agreement to protect and enhance conservation areas associated with these sites. The iwi will benefit from this settlement physically, spiritually, culturally, and economically. It will be available to members of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, wherever they may live.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227940e9f2-9cea-43d5-8f16-3b470e34f47f\u0022\u003EUnder the previous National Government, we had 56 agreements in principle and 58 deeds of settlement. This is a record that we are incredibly proud of. I encourage this Government to carry on and settle as many as they can. Settlements help iwi unlock economic potential and boost regional and provincial areas, making them more competitive in a productive economy. The sooner we settle the Treaty of Waitangi claims, the sooner iwi\u2014and, indeed, all New Zealanders\u2014will see the benefits that settlements bring to iwi, communities, regional New Zealand, and the country as a whole.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227940e9f2-9cea-43d5-8f16-3b470e34f47f\u0022\u003EIn closing: again, I would love it if Ng\u0101ti Rangi could see their way clear to pass on some of the valuable lessons that they have learnt to Ng\u0101puhi up north. In my beloved Northland, a relatively deprived but improving region, I welcome the long-overdue Treaty settlement, and sincerely hope that one day we can settle while I\u2019m still their MP.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227940e9f2-9cea-43d5-8f16-3b470e34f47f\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira e te iwi, kua tae mai he rangaiti kaupapa. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227940e9f2-9cea-43d5-8f16-3b470e34f47f\u0022\u003E[Therefore, to the tribes, an important initiative has arrived. Greetings, greetings, greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u00221ca79a3fc2754d69b8e2653781882eb0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221ca79a3fc2754d69b8e2653781882eb0\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E E Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Nei r\u0101 taku mihi aroha e ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Rangi i roto i t\u0113nei Whare, t\u0113nei te mihi mahana ki a koutou katoa, kia ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E[This is my loving greeting to the descandants of Ng\u0101ti Rangi in this House, this is a warm greeting to you all, welcome.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s my great privilege to stand on behalf of the Green Party and acknowledge your achievement in this settlement, and the significance of this third reading today. I acknowledge that this has been 29 years of work to get to this point. While we call this the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill, it may be better named as the \u201CNg\u0101ti Rangi Legacy and Act of Generosity Bill\u201D. I want to acknowledge all of you for your perseverance, your resilience, and what you have given up for this day, and all of the 179 years of the Crown\u2019s treachery and mistreatment and theft from you as a people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI do just want to acknowledge how easy it is to stand in this House and read papers, and how difficult it is for me, as P\u0101keh\u0101, to understand the depth of pain that must be held by M\u0101ori, and how much has been taken. In reading your history, I feel that in terms of the signing of Te Tiriti o Waitangi\u2014and, again, acknowledging the difference between the Treaty of Waitangi and Te Tiriti\u2014that was an act that was so astute in terms of a vision of managing those colonists who were running rampant, and the sense of that being founded on the belief of the integrity of the Crown that it would match your integrity, and how we stand in this House speaking as the Crown, and the importance of acknowledging the fact that there was no integrity on the Crown\u2019s side. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EClearly, the actions that followed showed an intent from the Crown to steal and an undermining and a lack of recognition of your tino rangatiratanga, and the fact that the Crown was coming on to your land and that they were coming into a formed society with rules and laws and a deep, rich culture that we could have all learnt so much from, and that in that signing, while it committed to a partnership, it also guaranteed peace and justice for all, and for the Crown to have honourable k\u0101wanatanga while recognising your tino rangatiratanga. I see that that sense of what that meant for Ng\u0101ti Rangi was in the fact that following that signing, rangatira sold land for the establishment of the township and the whare for the European arrivals that they were expecting and welcomed settlers. In that, just that small thing for me, I see the potential of what we all could have had as a country, of respect and thriving mutual benefit if the Crown had not undermined that, and had not stolen and lied, which we saw for the next few decades where Ng\u0101ti Rangi had to negotiate that continual shifting of the sands from the Crown, and that the decisions of rangatira to align with the Crown during the wars as a strategy in the context of those shifting sands, to be able to try and maintain the lands and the mana of the people. Yet, then, even that is a strategy the Crown, again, undermined by labelling upriver Whanganui M\u0101ori as the enemy, after you did whatever you could to negotiate for your people, and it kept going. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI\u2019m looking up at you now and feeling bad for repeating all of this, because I know that Ng\u0101ti Rangi people and descendants are carrying this reality every day, and the consequences of that, of losing the people to urban cities\u2014the children\u2014losing the language, losing your culture, losing your society, and losing your laws, the taking of the lands and how they were polluted and destroyed, and that the spirit of that place was desecrated on so many levels. As a country, we are still dealing with the consequences of that now, as we all express our concern about the health of our waterways.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI want to thank you in this settlement, for the fact that you acknowledge the spirit of the awa and you have given us a vehicle to restore that for all of us. That is a gift in itself from Te Ao M\u0101ori to this country. I want to acknowledge you for that, and thank you for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EAnd also I will say it\u2019s been acknowledged where Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2014that Wai\u014Duru and parts of the base have returned and you, in turn, gifted it back and from a Greens perspective and our position on non-violence we may have wished you\u2019d kept it. But we hear from my colleagues in the House that there\u2019s general support and recognition of your generosity in returning it. I may not personally share that view but I acknowledge that that is the general view. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EAgain, within this I also want to acknowledge the relationships that are being set up in this settlement process with the Department of Conservation, the Ministry of Education, the Ministry for the Environment, the Ministry of Social Development, Oranga Tamariki, the Defence Force, Te Puni K\u014Dkiri, and the justice sector relationship. I want to acknowledge that those\u2014I suspect the reason for choosing those agencies didn\u2019t come out of nowhere, that it came out of a sense of a not having a partnership with those agencies and for you to clearly put down the mantle that for that future for your hap\u016B and your iwi\u2014that to restore the relationship that that needed, that relationships needed to change with those agencies. It was encouraging for me to hear from the Minister in his first reading speech the commitment from the Crown to ensure that this time we would do our part. And I know that that is on every member and party in this House now and into future generations to ensure that we hold to our agreement in this settlement and that absolute commitment to partnership and recognising your tino rangatiratanga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EFinally, I do want to just acknowledge that, for all of those New Zealanders who listen to talkback radio, the financial settlement in this is only $17 million and this is one of the areas of the country of the most fertile land, booming tourism, innovative resilience, resilient people\u2014that this is hard-fought for and you should be so proud of yourselves but still, I think, sitting with us there should be a sense of shame. Kia ora koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022 data-id=\u002212c81284189b4255a69460cfce3db29a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002212c81284189b4255a69460cfce3db29a\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E Ka huri ki ng\u0101 manuwhiri i t\u0113nei Whare. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E[May I turn to acknowledge our gathered guests here in this Whare.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EKi \u014Dku whanaunga, ki ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Rangi, i huihui mai nei i t\u0113nei w\u0101 i roto i te korowai o t\u0113nei Whare M\u012Bere. Nau mai, haere mai. Mauria mai m\u014D te p\u0101nuitanga tuatoru o koutou pire, Te Rukutia Te Mana. Mauria mai, maranga ake, t\u016B tonu mai, ake, ake.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E[To my relatives, the descendants of Ng\u0101ti Rangi, who have gathered here at this time under the mantle of this Beehive. Welcome, welcome. You have come for the third reading of your bill, Rukutia Te Mana. Bring here, stand up, stand strong, for ever more.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ETo my relations, descendants, Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2014today embraced by the cloak of this Parliament for the third reading and the final reading of your bill\u2014take up, rise up, stand up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ET\u016B tonu, ake, ake.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E[Stand up. Stand tall, for ever after.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EFor today, I remember their smiles. For today, a world never more than ever of unfulfilled potential and hope, to dance in the glow and the light of a soon to be fulfilled potential and hope, no longer toying with the hope or an aspiration\u2014a whole new world soon to be realised with the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill, fulfilling and realising the hopes, aspirations, and potential of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. For today, I remember their smiles. For today, I celebrate here with you all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EAgain, I turn to look to my whanaunga and I reflect on those who have gone\u2014their smiles, their presence, and through each of you, I see them. They remain with us through you; a fond recollection of their hope for our future. A sad recollection of their collective intergenerational struggles yet hope filled for our future, for the fond recollection of their vision, dedication, passion, and aroha. And all in this moment, I remember their smiles. Uncle Matiu Mareikura, whom I as a young woman looked to with the fondest regard, the greatest admiration, respect, and esteem\u2014an uncle who influenced so much of how I aspired to be. His constant and lifetime support, Auntie Lei, Auntie Joan and Uncle Richie Akapita, Uncle Rangitihi Rangiwata John Tahup\u0101rae, former kaum\u0101tua of this Parliament, Auntie Uta Murphy Peehi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThese are only a few of the many more who persevered, endured, and maintained, mana tangata, mana whenua, mana motuhake, \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E[the authority of people, the authority of land, the authority of independence.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003Efor we today and tomorrow into the future to fulfil and realise. For today, Ng\u0101ti Rangi, we each pause in a moment to reflect on them, for today to seize the moment, to seize the day, to seize the potential and to harness and realise that potential, with eyes real to that potential, with eyes real to the gift of this presence to tomorrow, to fulfil that potential and the future that their smiles, their passion, their dedication had in mind and vision for us today and tomorrow.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EFor today, we remember their smiles. For today, is the time we celebrate and leading to this moment now, the passage of Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s claims settlement bill, this third reading, soon into law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EMadam Speaker, please indulge me a brief explanation of the tikanga, the process, for the benefit and acknowledgment to our manuhiri. Today, with the third reading of this bill, it is the final debate. Today is a moment in history, a moment that has taken too long to be here, yet here we are in this moment, and therefore we celebrate. I reflect on the passage and the pathway as to how we have arrived here today. May 1840, Ng\u0101ti Rangi committed to a relationship with the Crown in signing the Treaty of Waitangi. Ng\u0101ti Rangi has endured adversity, atrocity, anguish, and survived in this relationship with the Crown\u2014178 years. In 1990, Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s claim with the Waitangi Tribunal was filed. In 2015, your negotiations commenced. Over a 28-year period an agreement in principle signed 15 March 2017. Rukutia Te Mana\u2014your deed of settlement signed 10 March 2018. The first reading of this bill in the House on 9 August 2018, the second reading on 14 March 2019, for both of which I had the distinct privilege to address the House and Ng\u0101ti Rangi supported by our whanaunga of Whanganui.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EToday, at the third reading, today, not at lightning speed but with care-filled, considered reasoning and resonance of those and that from times before, seeking and reaching to fulfil the potential of what today\u2019s, tomorrow\u2019s, future is to be. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EAt the first reading on 1 August, I was early into my term as the elected member of Parliament for Whanganui, and I reflected then on Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2019s journey\u2014the ebbs, the flows, the currents, and the woes of successive generations of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. I reflected on what the bill is about\u2014Part 1\u2014and I spoke to clause 8, a summary of the historical account; clauses 9 and 10, the Crown\u2019s apology to Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and its acknowledgments, particularly, of tino rangatiratanga being well overdue. The apology: \u201Cdeeply sorry that its acts and omissions have caused\u201D the significant losses\u2014significant losses\u2014and the Crown\u2019s \u201Cfailure to recognise, acknowledge, and thank Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u201D not only for the endurance and perseverance but also for the generosity and the grace. I hearken to the words of our Minister of Defence, the Hon Ron Mark, in acknowledging Ng\u0101ti Rangi with the gifting back of the military lands, Ng\u0101ti Rangi lands, and those lands on which many of our own have been nurtured and looked after during their years of training and service in the military. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ETime has quickly passed by. I had intended to speak further, but Ng\u0101ti Rangi, this is your bill. You know you toiled and you persevered\u2014the sweat, the blood, the tears. I wish, importantly, to acknowledge whanaunga. I look at you, cousin Che, with dignity and mana, entrusted and cloaked you with the mantle of servitude and leadership which you have ever so responsibly and will continue to lead. To your mother, Auntie Vera; father, Uncle Willie; your siblings\u2014you\u2019re flanked by your whanaunga, your loved ones, all of us here in support. To our many aunties, uncles, cousins, rangatahi mokopuna, looking into the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s important and significant also to acknowledge those of the Crown who\u2019ve given service. But in the brief time I have left, to the legal advisers, advocates. Paranihia Walker, you were flanked and supported by your man Gerrard Albert. You\u2019ve walked this journey together. To your colleague Nathan Milner. Again, to my cousins, your names imprinted at section 12 of the Act soon to be: Shar, Raana, Darnielle, Brendon, Soraya, Keria\u2014all entrusted trustees. And negotiators Che, Toni Waho, Carl Wilson, Kemp Dryden, Cassandra Reid\u2014I acknowledge, I applaud, you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Rangi, for today I remember the smiles of those who have gone before. I remember now your smiles, and for today this is a future to infinity and beyond. I celebrate with you with a smile, and we will, in time, hold fast to the smiles of those who have gone before and those of us here to come. It is with joy in my heart and a smile etched into my memory that I commend this bill, the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill, to the House. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022 data-id=\u0022d617a76f76234064a7fabf4cc1f52b28\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d617a76f76234064a7fabf4cc1f52b28\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Ruth Dyson)\u003C/span\u003E: The next call is a split call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u0022d91e81c7df5c47a3b45d29430604d801\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d91e81c7df5c47a3b45d29430604d801\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Minister for M\u0101ori Development):\u003C/span\u003E Ng\u0101ti Rangi, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. E kore e warewaretia r\u0101tou kua wehe ki tua o te \u0101rai, kei te heke tonu ng\u0101 roimata i taua maharatanga. Ki a koutou katoa ng\u0101 mahuetanga iho hei whakakanohi mai i a r\u0101tou katoa. T\u0113nei e whakatata atu ki a koutou i t\u0113nei w\u0101 me taku rourou iti.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E[Greetings to you, Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Those who have passed beyond the veil will never be forgotten, the tears are still flowing in response to that memory. To all of you who remain with us to represent them. I approach you at this time with my small contribution.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI just wanted to express the privilege that I have to make a short contribution in the third reading and the final passage of this bill today. Much has been said in the House about the substance of the settlement, the enduring legacy that was created by the many who have walked the path for Ng\u0101ti Rangi in holding the torch of wanting to reach some kind of settlement. But you know what? The settlement process is imperfect in and of itself. Many tribes know that and have still come here today with the intent to do something more, from an imperfect process. Hurt has been caused, and when we think about the conversations\u2014the many conversations\u2014preceding this point by claimant groups, by wh\u0101nau, who have had to confront \u201CWhat would the opportunity be to get to settlement?\u201D and \u201CWhat would we have to do to come together to realise the potential of a settlement?\u201D, I am under no shadow of a doubt that that has caused you time to reflect on what the aspiration is for your people. I say this to you: you have not needed a settlement to hold on to the very best things of what Ng\u0101ti Rangi represents, and we recognise that in this House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EMany Treaty settlements hold the aspiration of an enduring partnership, but the challenge for us here in this House, for our time that we serve the good people of New Zealand, is to ensure that we commit to making a settlement on paper real in active ways. When I look at this settlement, I see imprinted all over it the desire to reflect a relationship between Ng\u0101ti Rangi and its lands, its relationship to its waters, its relationship to all things that live within its domain. Then there are some subtle but useful insights that we can gain as parliamentarians about the nature of that relationship: the conversation around kawa ora and mauri ora. It wouldn\u2019t be, unless you were actively reflecting what that means in practice as kaitiaki within your rohe, that you could gain the true meaning of the intent of this settlement. But the relationship, firstly, of the people themselves to each other becomes fundamental, and I am encouraged by the leadership demonstrated within Ng\u0101ti Rangi, notwithstanding a settlement, to gain some support and harness the relationships that they have in their rohe around tourism, around the maunga, to ensure that none of that would be lost to them, and they are engaging positively in this space and I applaud them. They have not needed a settlement to achieve that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EBut what the settlement does enable is a bigger conversation with the Crown about intent. When I think about the relationship to the maunga, the crater, and what is happening there from a civil defence point of view, and the long-term role that Ng\u0101ti Rangi must play in enduring solutions to the bigger challenges that we face as a nation in terms of climate change, in terms of protecting our natural heritage and estate\u2014that is imprinted all throughout the settlement in very subtle but substantial ways, and I want to just acknowledge that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EThe second thing I want to acknowledge is Minister Finlayson, who started this process, because it was his intent to make sure that Ng\u0101ti Rangi got to the table and resolved for themselves a way forward that we\u2019re having this conversation, and I certainly applaud Minister Little for picking up that challenge and furthering the aspiration, within a very short time frame, to not only reach an agreement in principle but a deed of settlement where there was a clear vision that could be articulated in the settlement we have here today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI also want to recognise the negotiating team. You know, by median age, I think they felt the full weight of the generations who they follow to be able to get to settlement point, but this is a fine representation of what those kaum\u0101tua had envisioned for the next generation, that they had the tenacity and the courage to pick up all the things that have been gifted from many generations to this time to be able to say, \u201CWe can move forward, we do have a vision, we can take our people and certainly the next generation to another place.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI want to also acknowledge the subtleties of some of the aspects in relation to natural resources. Because I\u2019m doing some work on the Wai 262, I see some very key relationship elements that will no doubt put you in good stead going forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EHeoi an\u014D, he iti t\u0101ku hei t\u0101piri atu ki te kete k\u014Drero e w\u0101nangahia e Ng\u0101ti Rangi, kia waihotia m\u0101 t\u0101tou he whakaaetia, \u0101, ki te tautoko \u0101 r\u0101tou nei hiahia, \u0101 r\u0101tou nei wawata m\u014D te \u0101p\u014Dp\u014D. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou Ng\u0101ti Rangi, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E[However, I only have a little to add to the collective discussion that has been held by Ng\u0101ti Rangi, to leave us free to assent, and to support their desire, their dreams for the tomorrow. Therefore, greetings Ng\u0101ti Rangi, greetings to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI support the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022 data-id=\u0022351cec1619624070936d0474daf54b2a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022351cec1619624070936d0474daf54b2a\u0022\u003EIAN McKELVIE (National\u2014Rangit\u012Bkei):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa, Ng\u0101ti Rangi\u2014I\u2019ve had a lot of lessons from the other side of the House on that. Nau mai, haere mai ki Te Whare P\u0101remata. I want to welcome you all here. Such a massive turnout of you\u2014there can\u2019t be anyone left up on the central plateau! I think it\u2019s an exciting day, and the thing I think is so exciting about this is it\u2019s an opportunity to move forward from wherever we\u2019ve been. I think it\u2019s pretty special.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge a few people, because I\u2019ve only got a very short time. I want to particularly acknowledge the Treaty negotiators. I think you\u2019re extraordinarily brave, because when you think about it, you\u2019re taking 180-odd years and you\u2019re moving it forward and hoping you\u2019ve made the right decision for the rest of time, I guess, in effect. I think that\u2019s a very brave place to be, and I congratulate you all on the work you\u2019ve done on getting to that point and where it\u2019ll get to in the future. I think it\u2019s amazing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Rangi always reminds me, I guess, when you go there\u2014and Rino Tirikatene sort of referred to the majestic splendour of the place, and it sort of is like that on a nice day. It\u2019s not always a nice day, so you were lucky you turned up there on a nice day. But it is an amazing place, and you think of the mountain, you think of the Whangaehu River, and you think of that amazing soil. People don\u2019t realise what amazing volcanic soil that is, with the potential to feed so many people, and it all resides in your part of New Zealand\u2014pretty special, I think.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI want to also acknowledge the mayors. I think it\u2019s a tribute to Ng\u0101ti Rangi, the fact that there are so many people here from the regional council. You\u2019ve got two mayors here: Don Cameron, who is a great representative of the Ruapehu district, but I notice Andy Watson\u2019s tagged along, and I think he must be trying to drag a bit of the p\u016Btea south\u2014watch it, Don! But I think that\u2019s a tribute to Ng\u0101ti Rangi, the fact that you\u2019ve got such strong support, and I think the contribution that you make to your community and to the broader community in the Ruapehu district and the northern Rangit\u012Bkei is pretty special. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI think, to follow on from Nanaia Mahuta and the comments she made about the fact that you\u2019ve got on with the job irrespective of the Treaty settlement, you\u2019ve gone on and done a whole lot of things in your area to improve the lot of your young people and of the future generations. I think that\u2019s also very special, and I congratulate you on that. The things like the transformation project, which I think started about six or seven years ago, have made great progress. You\u2019ve got partnerships with Ruapehu College, which at times in the past has struggled as a school. You\u2019ve made that school into something special, and I think it will go on and on from there. You\u2019ve got Ruapehu Alpine Lifts, who are investing heavily in the area, and you\u2019re a great support to them. They\u2019ll create a whole lot of opportunity for you, I think, in the future, so it\u2019s pretty special.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EThere are a lot of things going on in your area that are particular to you, and you have played such an important part in all of those. The Tongariro National Park, for me, is quite an exciting opportunity in the future, and it\u2019s going to be very interesting to see where that gets to as future negotiations take place. Also, I think the tourism opportunities in that area are immense as well, and we need to be careful how we manage those\u2014and people have made mention of the Wai\u014Duru army base and the opportunities that that creates as well. So I think it\u2019s pretty special. Well done everybody\u2014great effort.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI want to finally finish by acknowledging all those who have made this possible: Minister Finlayson, who played such a large role in the early days of this settlement process, and the many other settlements that he put through this Parliament; also Minister Little, who I think is following on as best he can, given the testing nature of some of these agreements, and they will eventuate as they go along. I also want to congratulate the Government team that puts such a lot of work into the back of these projects and these settlements, because it is an onerous job, and I think they do such a great job. I will finish by wishing you all a very safe trip home\u2014and I\u2019m sure you will tonight. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u002208cb6fdae94c43968861d8cf7afe3d21\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002208cb6fdae94c43968861d8cf7afe3d21\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E E Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. E ng\u0101 mema o Te Whare nei, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. It is indeed my honour to take a call on the third and final reading of this Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill. Can I please add my warm welcome.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EE ng\u0101 mana, Ng\u0101ti Rangi mana, Ng\u0101ti Rangi reo, Ng\u0101ti Rangi t\u0101ngata, kua tae mai i runga i te kaupapa whakahirahira, anei ng\u0101 mihi ki a koutou katoa. \u014Cku rau rangatira m\u0101, e kui m\u0101, e koro m\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, nau mai, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, nau mai, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[To the authorities, Ng\u0101ti Rangi authorities, Ng\u0101ti Rangi voices, Ng\u0101ti Rangi people, who have come here because of this important occasion, these greetings are to you. My esteemed leaders and elders, greetings, welcome, greetings, welcome, greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve heard the previous speakers on this bill, and I\u2019d like to join in in supporting this third and final reading, and can I acknowledge those that have travelled near and far to pay witness to this significant event. I want to acknowledge, as is our custom, the recent passing of people from my electorate of Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti. I want to particularly acknowledge Ken Eruera, a renowned sports broadcaster from the iwi radio of Ng\u0101ti Porou. I want to acknowledge Ruruhira Tawhai, a woman that worked very hard in Kahungunu around sexual violence and women\u2019s refuge; and, of course, our centenarian Nanny Noa Nicholson of Mua\u016Bpoko Rangitane, who recently passed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EE ng\u0101 mate huhua ko waenganui i a t\u0101tou, haere, haere, haere atu r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[To the many deceased amongst us, go, go, go well.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ELike I said, I join in the chorus of the House in supporting this third and final reading. Can I too acknowledge the hard work of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Trust, their negotiators, the Ministers, and the officials that have brought this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s often an important occasion on the third reading to try and find a hononga with Ng\u0101ti Rangi, and so I\u2019m going to share a story. When I was very young, many, many years ago, my uncle Gaga Robin and his wife at the time, Dana Robin, were members of the Waipatu Catholic M\u0101ori Club, and I want to mihi to the Mareikura wh\u0101nau that are up in the public gallery\u2014I saw some of them come through. But even though I was a staunch Anglican\u2014very staunch to this day\u2014I travelled with my uncle and became a member of Waipatu\u2019s junior kapa haka, and that\u2019s where, in all honesty and humility, I came across the Mareikura wh\u0101nau, who descend from the people who are in the gallery here to us today. Of course, I want to reflect on the recent passing of Porky Mareikura this year, another descendant of the famous Mareikura wh\u0101nau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo, something about Kahungunu: that we were able to attract wh\u0101nau from around the motu who married beautiful Kahungunu women or beautiful Kahungunu men and forgot to go home. But we are honoured as an iwi of Kahungunu to have our Ng\u0101ti Rangi wh\u0101nau and the descendants who continue to contribute to both our iwi, and so I want to acknowledge the hononga between the Mareikura wh\u0101nau and the Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu wh\u0101nau o Heretaunga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThere was much talk in this House around, I guess, a comparison with what\u2019s been achieved in Ng\u0101ti Rangi and what they hope to achieve in Ng\u0101puhi. Can I say that the solution is very simple: send in a woman to do the job\u2014send in a woman to do the job. And I think I\u2019ve got that woman. Her name is Noeline Taurua\u2014that\u2019s right. Send a woman in to do the job, because if someone can turn around the Silver Ferns in 11 months, then surely Noeline has something to add. But in all humility, in celebrating this momentous occasion, can we say congratulations to the Silver Ferns. Congratulations to the Black Caps. It is, in all honesty, a time to celebrate, as this reading is for the people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI can\u2019t help but think of when the Minister, the Hon Andrew Little, shared some of the history of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi people, particularly at the time when we had an influx of settlers to our country. The demand for land was high. Calls were made on the Crown to send in troops to try and obtain land. I can never ever think about the decision the t\u012Bpunas of these people had to endure about whether to join the colonial forces or not. Let\u2019s just think about that: join the colonial forces or not. So the decision was made, as we heard the Minister say, with a heavy heart, and there have been many occasions in this country where iwi have laid down their lives. They have served this nation, and yet, like he said, the reciprocation wasn\u2019t there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo I just wanted to reinforce what Minister Little said in acknowledging the sacrifice, the hard decision, Ng\u0101ti Rangi made to ensure the ongoing survival of their people. I want to acknowledge it wasn\u2019t done easily. I want to acknowledge the sacrifice that they made. In some small way, in the third and final reading of this bill, we\u2019re acknowledging that sacrifice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EWe are in the 179th year since the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840. I do hope that we do not take 179 years to enable the Treaty\u2014the Tiriti o Waitangi\u2014to actually contribute to the fabric of this country. Just last week, we had this Parliament full of Youth MPs, and I want to acknowledge my Youth MP, Rebekah Raih\u0101nia, who talked about the importance of including Treaty clauses, kaupapa M\u0101ori, and m\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori in legislation passed in this House. If we as a nation are going to benefit, we must give due consideration to that possibility.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo I am pleased, like I said, to stand in support and to acknowledge the people of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. I want to acknowledge particularly our rangatahi that joined us here in the gallery. We\u2019ll be long gone, but your people\u2019s legacy will be just beginning, and I wanted to acknowledge our rangatahi that are here today. I want to acknowledge our kaum\u0101tua and our kuia for your guidance, your wisdom, and your patience. This is a day to celebrate. It is a day to move, to foresee the vision that I know many of our t\u012Bpuna that aren\u2019t here today have for your people, for our people, and for the nation as a whole. I\u2019m proud to stand in support of the third and final reading of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi Claims Settlement Bill. I commend it to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u0022483b4b52d57540a6a80a471cdecbc4cf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022483b4b52d57540a6a80a471cdecbc4cf\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe Ruapehu te maunga, t\u0113n\u0101 koe Ng\u0101 Turi o Murimotu te maunga tapu, t\u0113n\u0101 koe Whangaehu te awa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou Ng\u0101ti Rangi te iwi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EKo au tangata n\u014D Moana Nui a Kiwa. Ko au te tangata, te tuakana no Auau Enua, ko Rarotonga ki maunga ki Mangaia, ko Aitutaki.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E[Greetings to the ancestral mountain Ruapehu, greetings to the sacred mountain Ng\u0101 Turi o Murimotu, greetings to the ancestral river Whangaehu, greetings to the tribe of Ng\u0101ti Rangi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI am a person from the Pacific Ocean. I am the elder kinsman from Auau Enua, Rarotonga to the mountain to Mangaia, to Aitutaki.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s an honour to be here\u2014to be the last speaker for Kahurangi, for National, and it\u2019s an honour to be able to acknowledge this day. When I was sitting here with my good friend and colleague and we were chatting away about what it means to be here on these Treaty addresses and to be here on the third reading, we said to ourselves\u2014because we\u2019ve been here for eight years\u2014that on a day like this is the best of days to be a member of Parliament. The reason is because it\u2019s the opportunity where justice once denied can be delivered. So we sit here today, honoured to be members of Parliament and that today Ng\u0101ti Rangi can see its redress fulfilled, and I want to acknowledge all of those that have been a part of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI don\u2019t want to cover all the other issues, because they\u2019ve already been covered many times over in regards to the apology which has been declared and in regards to the financial and commercial redress of $70 million as a way of going into the p\u016Btea to go some way to addressing the issues and providing financial support for the future. Already addressed are the cultural redress and the kaitiaki roles that Ng\u0101ti Rangi will play and so forth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo what is it that I believe that I can bring to this time? My grandmother was part Jewish and part Cook Island M\u0101ori. Her name was Rite Goldstein Tepaki. As she raised me, she would often tell me these stories, and I would sit as a little boy when our people were arguing over the land back home, anywhere in Aitutaki, and the villages of Arutanga and Tautu. She would say things like, k\u0101re kotou \u2018\u0113 riri tik\u0101i \u2018i te tangata no te \u2018enua\u2014don\u2019t get so angry about the land\u2014no Te Atua te \u2018enua\u2014because the land, in the end, belongs to God.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe whole word of kaitiaki, that sometimes we forget in this place and in this country, is to be a guardian of that which does not belong to us. We must remember that constantly. The land, in the end\u2014the whenua\u2014does not belong to us. Our role of responsibility is to guard it, is to benefit from it, and is to allow the prosperity of all that it has to offer for our people. That\u2019s what it offers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EToday is a day in which, again, the role Ng\u0101ti Rangi can take up that role as the kaitiaki, and that is the role of responsibility. We hope that in this end, it will be able to fulfil its desires and its dreams as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EMy grandmother always used to say to me, \u201CAlways remember, when you want to find the answer, go back to the beginning.\u201D So, as I thought about it\u2014and I want to acknowledge, as Meka was talking about, it\u2019s 179 years since 1840\u2014I began to research and look into what was happening at that time. There was a missionary by the name of Henry Williams, who was, at that time, given the role to help to translate. In fact, many missionaries at that time\u2014P\u0101keh\u0101 missionaries\u2014were part of that role.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIn that, I read in some of his diary readings, he sought divine guidance from God above, and what he was given was from Ephesians 2: 14-18, which simply says this: in order for both Jew and gentile to come together, to break down the wall is but by the blood of Christ. In other words, there\u2019s a covenant relationship that has been forged.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EKawenata is a covenant relationship. The Treaty of Waitangi was understood as a kawenata\u2014as a covenant relationship. Our hope is that today that covenant will be restored, and all the elements of it are more than just commercial, are more than just cultural, and are more than just, in a sense, financial; they are truly a covenant that\u2019s seeped in blood\u2014the toto that is important to ensure that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo today, when this agreement is being made, when this covenant is being restored, we hope that that\u2019s what it would be. I finish with the words of K\u0101witi, when, at Ruapekapeka, at the fight, one of the final battles that was there\u2014unfortunately, in the North. When he was there, he held up this axe, this adze that was there. In some cases, it could be translated or paraphrased where some would have said, \u201CWhy are you bringing a knife to a gun fight\u201D\u2014why are you bringing this axe to this gun fight, where there were canons and muskets all around. He said, \u201CThis is not for us to fight with; this is for us to remember what we\u2019re fighting for.\u201D\u2014to remember what we\u2019re fighting for.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThis agreement here should remind us: what are we fighting for? We\u2019re fighting for a covenant relationship\u2014more than just between M\u0101ori and the Crown but also too for our future. I want to acknowledge Ng\u0101ti Rangi, because, in a spirit of generosity, it has gone again even further. The gifting of whenua back to Aotearoa is about the covenant to remind New Zealand and to remind us that is what we are fighting for; that is the reason why we\u2019re here today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIn the ancient words of our people, I finish with this pe\u2019e:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESeki e lua seki e lue-e-e no te a\u02BBa te mea na i kite ei au? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESeki e lua seki e lue-e-e no te a\u02BBa te mea na i kite ei au? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ENo te manu a ivi a mau-u-u. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ENo te manu a ivi a mau-u-u. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThis was once a man called Ezekiel, who asked to God\u2014what he saw before him was a valley of dry bones. And the Spirit of God said to him, \u201CSpeak life into those bones.\u201D, and he simply said this: \u201CBut who am I? I am simply but a man.\u201D Then the Spirit of God said to him, \u201CThen allow me to breathe through you, so that life will come into those bones. Tihei mauri ora is the life that will be breathed through this covenant, so that what once was dry bones in a valley of despair will now become a place of life, of mana, of kaha, of our people. Kia manuia [Inaudible].\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u002298c8d54be6214f21b1657c3feac78a68\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002298c8d54be6214f21b1657c3feac78a68\u0022\u003EADRIAN RURAWHE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Hau\u0101uru):\u003C/span\u003E Kororia hariruia ki a Ihow\u0101 ng\u0101 mano tuauriuri, wh\u0101ioio, k\u012B tonu te rangi me te whenua i te nui o t\u014Dna kororia, n\u014D reira m\u0101 te m\u0101ngai hei tautoko mai, \u0101ianei, ake nei, \u0101e.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EE tika ana kia huri atu ki a r\u0101tou m\u0101 i n\u0101 mai n\u0101 puta noa i ng\u0101 moutere nei. Te tokomaha o r\u0101tou kua wehe atu ki tua o te \u0101rai, ki te k\u0101inga t\u016Bturu m\u014D t\u0101tou, m\u014D te tangata. Tae atu ki a r\u0101tou i tuku atu ng\u0101 ker\u0113me tuatahi m\u014D Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Ar\u0101, Matiu M\u0101reikura, Whiti Akapita, Richard P\u012Brere, Noel Akapita, Colin Richards, Pita Reo, Miller Waho, Pop W\u012Bari, tae atu ana hoki ki te kaum\u0101tua tuatahi o Te Whare e t\u016B ake nei a Rangiwaiata Rangitihi Tahu Paerau. N\u014D reira koutou m\u0101, ka huri atu \u0101 m\u0101tou whakaaro ki a koutou. E oke, e moe, e moe, \u0101, k\u0101ti m\u014D t\u0113n\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira ki a t\u0101tou ng\u0101 kanohi ora, e tika ana kia tuku mihi atu ki a r\u0101tou ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau, ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa o Ng\u0101ti Rangi kua tae mai ki Te Whare nei. N\u014D reira koutou m\u0101, aku whanaunga, t\u0113nei au i whakapiri taku mihi ki te mihi o aku tuahine, o Jo Hayes, o Harete Hipango ki a koutou. Anei m\u0101tou, i mahia ng\u0101 mahi i roto i Te Whare nei, hei painga m\u014D t\u0101tou, m\u014D \u0101 t\u0101tou wh\u0101nau katoa. N\u014D reira koutou m\u0101, aku whanaunga, t\u0113nei te mihi ake ki a koutou. Nau mai, haere mai, whakatau mai r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI te w\u0101, kua rongo k\u0113 a m\u0101tou ng\u0101 k\u014Drero puta noa i Te Whare nei, kua rongo ng\u0101 k\u014Drero o aku hoa i runga i Te Komiti Whiriwhiri i ng\u0101 Take M\u0101ori, e p\u0101 ana ki \u0101 m\u0101tou haerenga ki \u014Ch\u0101kune. Kua k\u014Drero ng\u0101 k\u014Drero. He r\u0101 \u0101taahua i te w\u0101 i haere m\u0101tou ki reira. Kei reira te kitenga o te \u0101taahuatanga o Koro Ruapehu, hei, k\u0101ore e kore hei \u0101rahi i a m\u0101tou i roto i \u0101 m\u0101tou mahi o te komiti. N\u014D reira, e tika ana kia t\u016B ake ki te tautoko aua k\u014Drero. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Glory and halleluiah to Jehovah, Lord of hosts, Lord of ancient and infinite times, heaven and earth is filled with His glory. And so, the Mouthpiece of lords provides support now and forever, yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EIt is right to turn to those who have come from these islands. Most of them have passed beyond the veil, to the original place from whence we, the people, originated. Including those who lodged the first claims for Ng\u0101ti Rangi. Namely, Matiu M\u0101reikura, Whiti Akapita, Richard P\u012Brere, Noel Akapita, Colin Richards, Pita Reo, Miller Waho, Pop W\u012Bari, and including the first elder of the House standing here Rangiwaiata Rangitihi Tahu Parae. Therefore to you all, our thoughts are with you. Return, rest, rest, and that is complete.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ETherefore, to you the living people, it is right to greet those families and all the subtribes of Ng\u0101ti Rangi who have come to this House. Therefore to you, my kinsmen, I append my acknowledgments to you to those of my sisters, Jo Hayes and Harete Hipango. This is us, doing our work in this House, for all of our benefit, for all of our families. Therefore to you, my kinsmen, I greet you. Welcome, welcome, thrice welcome.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EAt the time, we had already heard the speeches throughout this House, had heard what had been said by my colleagues on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, about our trip to \u014Ch\u0101kune. The speeches had been made. It was a beautiful day when we went there. There was Grandfather Ruapehu visible in all his glory, no doubt to lead us in our committee work. Therefore, it is apt to stand and support what was said.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s a real pleasure for me to speak in this final debate on the settlement of the Ng\u0101ti Rangi claim. As I said, we had a magnificent day in \u014Ch\u0101kune for the select committee hearings, and we heard so many valuable contributions from everyone that participated in that process. I always like to talk about the future, but, before I do that, I want to touch on an aspect of the bill: the apology, the historical account, in particular. We\u2019ve heard from many other members in the House today about the harrowing stories that are recorded in the historical account, and the bill records only a brief history. The real history\u2014the full korero\u2014is in the deed of settlement, and I encourage all members to read at least one of those in their time as members of this House, because all we get is part of the story, an overview.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EWe heard it eloquently, I thought, talked about by Jan Logie in her contribution, and I want I want to pick up on something that she actually said in her contribution: how can we accept what has happened to us with such grace and dignity? I think about a couple of things. On the day that the deed was signed, my cousin Che Wilson, who was the lead negotiator for Ng\u0101ti Rangi, gave a korero about two young people in the future by the name of Mere and Tane. He talked about the hopes and dreams of the future, and what their lives as Ng\u0101ti Rangi would be like. So despite all of the things that have happened to Ng\u0101ti Rangi, they show the strength and resolve, and there\u2019s no better way that I can express that strength and resolve than to quote a few lines from a waiata:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EE te iwi M\u0101ori, puritia kia mau, utaina, ki runga i te waka o te ora, ka hoe ai ki te tauranga\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[To the M\u0101ori people, hold fast to it, load it, onto the canoe of life, and paddle to the anchorage.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EWe might hear that song later on, I\u2019m hoping. But what it shows is that despite all of these things, there is hope for the future, and what was said on the marae at Raketapauma expressed that no better than Che Wilson\u2019s description of what that might be for Ng\u0101ti Rangi in the future. I want to acknowledge the strength and the tenacity that the negotiation team had for permeating the values and everything about Ng\u0101ti Rangi into that deed of settlement. There are your stock-standard deeds of settlement. They\u2019re the ones, because the Government has its framework\u2014and we heard from the Hon Nanaia Mahuta about the flaws within that. It\u2019s a difficult thing to be able to make that deed of settlement their very own. But this deed of settlement; there\u2019s no doubt about it that it is for Ng\u0101ti Rangi within the framework that was available for them, through this flawed process that the Hon Nanaia Mahuta talked about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ESo I think it\u2019s really important that in expressing everything that\u2019s wrong with the world, we also knowledge that huge generosity of, actually, not letting that be a barrier to future development. That\u2019s where the value\u2014the real, true value\u2014of this settlement will be for Ng\u0101ti Rangi, not because of the commercial redress, or not because of those things, but because it means that Ng\u0101ti Rangi has said\u2014and, by the way, 99.51 percent of those who participated in the mandating process supported that Ng\u0101ti Rangi settlement. That\u2019s so close to being unanimous, it\u2019s way more than emphatic. But going back to what I was going to say, it talks about what the future will be for Ng\u0101ti Rangi: an exciting one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve already heard also, and I absolutely support, that the settlement process has never been the driver for their own development. We are quite capable of doing that for ourselves. But this is a tool that will help for the future. There\u2019s no doubt about that, and, as my whanaunga Jo Hayes said, this settlement is about the future for the tamariki and the mokopuna. So Madam Speaker, I\u2019m about to run out of time to say everything that I really wanted to say. I support my colleague Meka Whaitiri\u2019s thoughts about another part of me from up north, and, as someone who has also been a negotiator for a settlement, I can well understand how difficult that that really is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, k\u0101ore e roa taku t\u016B i roto i t\u0113nei Whare, oti noa e tika ana kia tuku mihi atu an\u014D ki a koutou katoa kua tae mai m\u014D te p\u0101nuitanga o, mutunga m\u014D t\u0113nei pire, ko te t\u016Bmanako kia pai ai \u0101 m\u0101tou haerenga ki mua i a t\u0101tou. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Therefore, my address in this House will not take long, however it is right to again acknowledge all of you who have come for the reading, the final reading of this bill, and I hope that our journeys forward will be good. Therefore greetings, greetings to all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221c6e05837a1b45c2b6c9ae267b9467e9\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Ruth Dyson)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, before I put the question, I\u2019d just like to advise you that permission has been granted for a waiata, and the House has high expectations in that regard and I\u2019m sure we won\u2019t be disappointed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227988e7cc873441fabd69da7127daba2f\u0022\u003EHealth (Drinking Water) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e07d855154414e6aab8eed1b1cb4e74d\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000444\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 24 July.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022 data-id=\u00224af128171a1e4f6cb2870db5028dc5ba\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224af128171a1e4f6cb2870db5028dc5ba\u0022\u003EPRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think when I began my contribution yesterday, I pretty much ended with \u201Cwater is life\u201D, so I\u2019ll begin there. I said it because, for obvious reasons, it sustains us, and yet so many people have an issue with both the quantity and the quality of the water that they\u2019re able to access. By some accounts, the water crisis has touched virtually every continent, with some 844 million people around the world lacking access to clean drinking-water. I pick up on the point also made by my Green Party colleague the Hon Eugenie Sage, who talked about the importance or the need to safeguard the sources of our drinking water.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003ENever has the importance, I guess, of this water crisis been more clear to me than when I was recently in India. I was in a city that\u2019s home to about 10 million people, where a very prominent Government thinktank has said that due to the water scarcity, the acute water shortage that they\u2019re facing, they could completely run out of water by next year. That really brings it home, and I highlight this because it\u2019s an issue that\u2019s facing so many countries, and it brings home the point of the need for water management. It also brings home the point about needing to mitigate climate change, but that\u2019s a completely different topic, one that was highlighted very well by our youth parliamentarians who were here just last week.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EBut in terms of water management, this is something the need for which we\u2019ve seen in our own country\u2014in Havelock North, more specifically, when the gastro bug affected over 5,000 people, resulting in about 45 hospitalisations and the death of about four people. This bill gives effect to some of the recommendations that have come out of the Government inquiry into the Havelock North drinking-water outbreak. There were two stages of that inquiry: the first stage, which identified the direct causes of the gastro outbreak that we saw a few years back, and stage two, which provided recommendations to reduce the likelihood of such an outbreak happening again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EIn terms of this specific bill, the main change is about removing requirements for specific periods of consultation\u2014so three years in advance notice, that is needed to be published in the Gazette prior to making any changes to the drinking-water standards. This just means that there would be an ability for these standards to progress much more quickly where appropriate and for action to be taken in a way that\u2019s much quicker as well. It also then takes into recognition some of the new technologies that are available as well. Section 69P of the Act retains the existing obligation on the Minister to be satisfied, though, that there has been adequate consultation before issuing new or amended standards.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EThe provisions in the bill that we\u2019re debating today are a mix of matters that were identified by the inquiry as requiring some urgent attention and some other minor amendments that were recommended by the ministry as well. I won\u2019t go into some of the minor ones, because there are lots of amendments that are mainly technical in nature, but I guess at the heart of this bill is the fact that we all have the right to safe drinking-water and to public health. It\u2019s a public health issue. This is a bill that will ensure that we have much better standards and that takes steps towards ensuring that such an outbreak doesn\u2019t happen again, or limits the possibility of such an outbreak happening again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EI want to commend the Minister, the Health Committee members who were involved in this process, and all, actually, who were involved in the process, for getting us to where we are here today. I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022 data-id=\u0022ffcd7d7f4fc9466083140fb3d2582ec3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ffcd7d7f4fc9466083140fb3d2582ec3\u0022\u003EJAN TINETTI (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I probably will stand here for a short time, I think, this afternoon. I wasn\u2019t on the select committee that considered this bill or did the work, but it\u2019s one that I have taken quite a great interest in, because in this country, we have taken water for granted for so long. Growing up here, I had no qualms about the safety of our water. I believed that water was something that was a God-given right in our country, but then, in recent years, we\u2019ve learnt that that\u2019s not how it is in this country with our water supply and that water isn\u2019t something that we can take for granted. The safety of our water is something that we need to consider quite carefully, and what we do around that safety to ensure its future and to ensure that our future generations have a safe water supply is something that we need to consider extremely carefully. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard throughout this debate over the past two evenings that this really did stem from the Havelock North gastro outbreak. It was something that gave us a wake-up call in this country. We\u2019ve heard from other speakers in this debate that elsewhere in the world, water safety has been an area that has been considered for those countries for quite some time, and yet here it is: it wasn\u2019t until 2016 that we were given that wake-up call. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EIn this country\u2014and actually, I believe, in any country, but particularly in this wonderful country of Aotearoa\u2014we should expect and we deserve a safe drinking-water supply, and that\u2019s exactly what this bill has done and is about. This bill builds on and strengthens and improves several features of the existing frameworks in this area. Like the speakers before me, I do want to say thank you very much for the hard and considered work of those members of the Health Committee. I want to say thank you to our Minister of Health, the Hon David Clark, who brought this bill to the House, and we see it going through in its final reading here this evening. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to point out to the previous speaker, my colleague Priyanca Radhakrishnan, that she\u2019s kind of stolen some of my speech notes there, where I was going to point out the key features that really stood out to me in this particular bill. But I know I\u2019ve heard them from other people as well, and I think it\u2019s important that we do just keep acknowledging that the main change and what\u2019s happening in this particular bill is we\u2019re removing the requirements for the specified periods of consultation\u2014and that\u2019s currently the three years\u2014and advance notice published in the Gazette. We\u2019ve heard about how that will allow amendments to the standards and it will progress these more quickly where that is appropriate. That will mean\u2014and I think this is really important\u2014that as advanced technologies do come online, it will allow for improved recognition of those advanced technologies, and we know that in that space, that is changing constantly. So that is a really, really important point. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003ELooking through the work of the Health Committee, I was very impressed with the consideration that they gave to the concerns that some of the submitters brought forward, and what they did around those concerns was to change the ideas around the practicable steps towards complying with the drinking-water standards. I think that the work that they did\u2014I know that my colleague Louisa Wall will probably talk about that next, so I\u2019m not going to steal her thunder on it\u2014was a good example of how a select committee should work in that area. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003ESo, as I said, it was a short call here this afternoon. I don\u2019t want to take up any more time, and I am really honoured to be commending this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022 data-id=\u0022b8eea3137426468580144feb6c372f4c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b8eea3137426468580144feb6c372f4c\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora; thank you. I was expecting somebody from the opposite side to get up, but, nevertheless, it\u2019s my absolute pleasure to speak in the third reading of the Health (Drinking Water) Amendment Bill. I do have to say that if it was to have a different title, it would be the \u201CHealth (Guarantee of Safe Drinking Water) Amendment Bill\u201D, because, essentially, that\u2019s what this piece of legislation does. I think it is explicit about our right as New Zealanders to have water sources that are fit for purpose, quite frankly, and from the perspective of the Health Committee, it has been in response to the Havelock North outbreak. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EPeople have talked about it, but I think it\u2019s almost criminal in a community where 39 percent of the population becomes sick because of the drinking water that was supplied to them, which also resulted in deaths, hospitalisations, and health complications that people have to live with for the rest of their lives, that this was certainly the wake-up call that led to an inquiry. I think one of the issues that was highlighted in the inquiry was that, actually, 20 percent of network suppliers do not have water that meets all current standards. So this issue wasn\u2019t just about Havelock North; what it did was enable the exposure of some of the systemic issues that we have. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EThis piece of legislation is phase one of a two-phase process, and, fundamentally, it\u2019s about ensuring that suppliers now have a duty of care to ensure that the water that they are providing to New Zealand citizens is fit for purpose and will not make them sick. So one of the things I want to highlight in terms of our deliberations was about removing some of the bureaucracy that had previously been in place, where there was a three-year time frame for changing drinking-water standards. We\u2019ve now removed that requirement, and it actually is similar to what Jan Tinetti was talking about: it\u2019s about being responsive to new technologies and our understandings of the infrastructure that\u2019s required. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo that was one of the major changes that we implemented, and the other was that it was not only the requirement to develop water-safety plans but it was also a requirement that the suppliers have the capacity to implement those water-safety plans. Having a water-safety plan\u2014hello, Judith\u2014in itself is not sufficient. You actually\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4f6f40906c34d8b9f23f30cecd85421\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002274876447f164431eb9f05518a152596e\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry. She\u2019s waving at me, my Papakura buddy\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c48bd9ffc354fd4808739b5d4d5560a\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Even then, you use her full name. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6eb7359431949afbcb408d1d7a18b13\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Judith Collins. So what we made fundamental to the development of these water-safety plans was actually the ability to implement them. From the perspective of the committee and the submitters, I think everyone was pretty clear that we didn\u2019t want a repeat of Havelock North. So there is a requirement now for those suppliers to manage and control those critical points that they\u2019ve identified in their water-safety plans, because, fundamentally, we do not want to have a water supply to communities that was contaminated and that actually could harm them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EOne of the other highlights, I think, was in the current Health Act 1956: until this piece of legislation goes through, there is a defence on the supplier if they, in their assessment, have taken \u201Call practicable steps\u201D to prevent what they\u2019ve identified as these critical points in their water-safety plans. We had actually prioritised availability and affordability in that process, which meant that you could say that \u201CWell, we didn\u2019t do that because the technology wasn\u2019t available.\u201D, or \u201CWe didn\u2019t know what to do to remediate that.\u201D, and also it was too expensive. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo one of the things that we prioritised as a select committee was to say there are six components of that \u201Call practicable steps\u201D process, and I just want to read them out and highlight them. Now, no longer will you be able to say \u201CWe didn\u2019t do it because we couldn\u2019t afford it.\u201D, so you have to know the nature and severity of the harm that may be suffered if the result is not achieved. You do have to have knowledge about the current state of knowledge about the likelihood that harm of that nature and severity will be suffered if the results are not achieved. You have to know the current state of knowledge about harm of that nature and the current state of knowledge about the means available to achieve the result, and about the likely efficiency of each, and then their availability and their affordability become additional factors. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EAnd I bring that to the attention of the House because I think we\u2019ve gone a long way to ensuring, from a systemic perspective, that the suppliers now have a framework which will enable them to deliver water in a manner that will not harm our citizens, no matter where they live.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI actually am not going to speak for very much longer; I get a feeling that this week the House has debated and discussed and talked about the situation in Havelock enough, but suffice to say I think, from my perspective, I do want to take the opportunity to thank the Ministry of Health officials and those who worked on this particular piece of legislation for their diligence. Again, I know a lot of people and I\u2019ve actually seen the Minister\u2019s speech commending the Health Committee\u2019s work on this bill. I do want to say, and reiterate again, that I think within the health space it is incredibly collegial. We try our utmost best to ensure that the legislation that goes through our committee does actually meet the purpose it was designed for, and a lot of the amendments and a lot of the contributions are about making that legislation the best legislation it can be for the citizens of New Zealand. So I commend the bill to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223e8dfd143a75458fb16831845ca86eab\u0022\u003ECopyright (Marrakesh Treaty Implementation) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00220fb0b3561692480590528be389ec78d2\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000472\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 23 July.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022 data-id=\u002274719322655d42029cba837db9108317\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002274719322655d42029cba837db9108317\u0022\u003ESTUART SMITH (National\u2014Kaik\u014Dura):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. Well, it\u2019s a pleasure to speak on the Copyright (Marrakesh Treaty Implementation) Amendment Bill. I didn\u2019t have the pleasure of being on the select committee that heard this bill\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2de46a-9047-4bfe-92c8-5f14fd415dfb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e86478be6a2407a8293761782f98f32\u0022\u003EAndrew Falloon\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a very good committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244d3acbe0ae148ddb06b8d5a232e467a\u0022\u003ESTUART SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014but I have moved on to that committee now and, as my colleague Mr Falloon says, it is a great committee, and I\u2019m really looking forward to a long tenure on that select committee, although I will miss Primary Production, I have to say.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003EThis is a really important bill because there are 168,000 New Zealanders who have print disabilities. It\u2019s kind of a strange name for that, but it isn\u2019t just for blind people or the visually impaired; there are other impairments that can make conventional printed documents very difficult to read\u2014books or publications.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003EThis process started under the National Government in 2015\u2014a very good Government, of course\u2014with a discussion document going out. There were a number of submissions\u2014353 people provided feedback directly to the Blind Foundation\u2014and that set this process under way. In fact, in June of 2017, the National Government announced that we would enjoin that treaty. At the same time, the Government announced that BLENNZ, which is the Blind and Low Vision Education Network New Zealand, would become a prescribed body under that copyright regulation, which is a requirement in that treaty. So the process was well under way, and it has been a very important part of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003ENow, why we\u2019re doing this is because to get a Braille copy of a book or a publication can cost $5,000, and that puts a huge impost on people who have a disability and really impairs their access to publications that we all take for granted. So this treaty allows for the very strict copyright legislation\u2014we\u2019ve agreed to change our very strict Copyright Act\u2014to allow cross-border movement of publications that have been modified so that people with visual impairments can have access to them across the border in a different way than they would be for conventionally printed documents. This is a hugely important access issue that we need to get through, and we are going to do that today, or in part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003EI think the main part of the bill, which I would like to turn to now, which the select committee made a recommendation on, was to replace section 69 of the Copyright Act with the new sections 69, 69A through 69D. That included provisions that permitted but didn\u2019t require the Marrakesh Treaty. One was the commercial availability test. That\u2019s quite an important test as part of this bill. That, in the past, was quite a steep and harsh test to meet. They could only make or import an accessible format copy of a work if they have made reasonable efforts to obtain a commercially available format copy and they have been unable to obtain an accessible format copy within a reasonable time, at an ordinary commercial price. That test was quite onerous.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s quite interesting to note the commercial availability test under that Marrakesh Treaty. There are a number of countries that do not have that test, including the United States and the European Union, and of the 55 Marrakesh Treaty countries as of April of this year, only four\u2014that\u2019s Australia, Singapore, Canada, and Japan\u2014have that test. So it seems quite nonsensical that we would require that test when those other countries don\u2019t. So it\u2019s, I think, a major part of the bill, and it\u2019s a very important part. I\u2019m really pleased to see that go through in there. This is an important part of our people having\u2014everyone having\u2014the same access to documents and books and publications that we all enjoy and take for granted, quite frankly. So we should be passing this bill. So, with that, I commend it to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u002205664f0263384659a3bbcce0a8dac95d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002205664f0263384659a3bbcce0a8dac95d\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK (Minister of Defence):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I\u2019m rising to indicate New Zealand First\u2019s continued support for this piece of legislation. I think the bill\u2019s aim, purpose, and content has been very well debated. The report back is quite clear. I\u2019ll just acknowledge a couple of things. Firstly, this work is a continuation of work that was started under the previous Government. We acknowledge that. We acknowledged that the select committee that heard the submissions was well and ably chaired by Jonathan Young. I acknowledge Tamati Coffey, Andrew Falloon, Hon Paul Goldsmith, Gareth Hughes, Melissa Lee, Jo Luxton, Clayton Mitchell, Hon Poto Williams, and Lawrence Yule, and also Brett Hudson, who participated throughout some of the consideration, for their studiousness and their diligence in considering this piece of legislation. The aim and purpose has been well canvassed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI just want to draw attention to one thing that\u2019s probably a hallmark of the committee\u2019s work. I refer to the comments made by the Hon Kris Faafoi\u2014and congratulations to him on his most well-deserved elevation into Cabinet; a very hard-working, conscientious Minister in this coalition Government. I\u2019m very pleased that you\u2019ve been elevated. I want to acknowledge the comments that he made, which I think are a very good reflection on the quality of the work done by the committee. That bill was reported back from select committee with the unanimous recommendations that it be passed with amendments. Most of the amendments are minor but are intended to clarify some aspects of the bill, the most significant amendment being the removal of the commercial availability test. I think that\u2019s something that\u2019s been well discussed by Opposition members of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003EI want to say that the Minister\u2019s acknowledgment of that work, agreement with the recommendations of the select committee report, and acceptance of all those amendments probably is a very good reflection on the quality of the work conducted by the select committee. I congratulate them. I congratulate the Minister. We support the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ed2de46a-9047-4bfe-92c8-5f14fd415dfb\u0022 data-id=\u0022503bd8f9d9974494ac0adaaf70901f14\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2de46a-9047-4bfe-92c8-5f14fd415dfb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022503bd8f9d9974494ac0adaaf70901f14\u0022\u003EANDREW FALLOON (National\u2014Rangitata):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I\u2019m very pleased to take a call this afternoon on the second reading of the Copyright (Marrakesh Treaty Implementation) Amendment Bill, which, of course, gives effect to the Marrakesh Treaty. I\u2019ve been waiting a few days for this bill, actually. It started debate on Tuesday and then I expected it to come up on Wednesday\u2014the only person I have to blame for that, actually, is Mr Chris Penk and his enthusiasm for the Trusts Bill. So I\u2019m pleased we\u2019ve progressed that and we can now move on to the Copyright (Marrakesh Treaty Implementation) Amendment Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2de46a-9047-4bfe-92c8-5f14fd415dfb\u0022\u003EI do want this bill to pass reasonably speedily because it has been in, I guess, gestation for a long time. As Ron Mark\u2019s noted, it goes back till about October 2015, I think, when the National Government of the time put out a discussion document asking for feedback on whether or not New Zealand should join up to the Marrakesh Treaty. The overwhelming feedback from that process was positive that we should join, so that then proceeded on to June 2017, when the National Government of the time did agree to sign up to the treaty. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2de46a-9047-4bfe-92c8-5f14fd415dfb\u0022\u003EAs Ron Mark and other members have noted, this bill has come from the Economic Development, Science and Innovation Committee, which I do sit on. I do actually want to note the contribution, in particular, of Gareth Hughes. Some people today have talked about the removal of the commercial availability test, and, actually, a lot of that came down to Gareth Hughes\u2019 contribution which\u2014we\u2019re a very collegial committee; we get on very, very well. The idea came from Gareth Hughes, and we all readily agreed with it because we thought it was a sensible thing to do. Of course, we did weigh it up at length but, ultimately, all members of the committee came to the view that Mr Hughes was correct and that it should be removed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2de46a-9047-4bfe-92c8-5f14fd415dfb\u0022\u003EI do just want to finish off by noting a couple of the points of the bill. Of course, there are about 168,000 people who are, unfortunately, in some way print-disabled. So this bill will be of huge benefit to many of those people. That\u2019s the reason that we\u2019ll be supporting this bill, and I commend it to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022 data-id=\u00220ab80ddbec6842f7ba070cfd54cdb24e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220ab80ddbec6842f7ba070cfd54cdb24e\u0022\u003EGARETH HUGHES (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora. Ng\u0101 mihi nui ki a koutou. Kia ora. I thank that member, Andrew Falloon, for his kind words. Look, I\u2019m passionate about copyright. I mean, for me, it\u2019s a really interesting nexus of history, of intellectual property, of art, of literature\u2014how our law interacts with our society and our cultural norms. I mean, all the way back to 1710 with the treaty of Queen Anne, it\u2019s been something up for debate. It\u2019s something I\u2019ve been privileged to participate in in this House, from the old fashioned Skynet legislation through to drafting legislation for parody and satire amendments to the Copyright Act, through to this\u2014the Marrakesh Treaty. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003ENow, it\u2019s great to be, finally, in this House, debating something positive. We\u2019ve had a big debate over the Trans-Pacific Partnership previously, but it\u2019s great to be debating legislation which is going to assist 168,000 print-disabled Kiwis. Basically, the Marrakesh Treaty from 2013\u2014this bill allows us to accede to the treaty, joining 51 other nations. It\u2019s all about making sure that print-disabled Kiwis can get access to documents, because what we know and what the Blind Foundation have told us is only about 10 percent of printed materials are actually designed in such a way that print-disabled Kiwis can access them. It\u2019s incredibly important, because I believe in the right to read, and, unfortunately, for a significant segment of New Zealand and global society, that right isn\u2019t able to be fulfilled because of their disability. We simply aren\u2019t providing access to the materials so they can participate in society. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003ENow, our original Copyright Act 1994 did have an exception for prescribed bodies to make available, with permission, accessible versions. The problem was, of course, that there\u2019s an incredibly small number, incredibly under-resourced\u2014but, most importantly, we couldn\u2019t import those materials to help those Kiwis consume those materials, particularly in a globalised economy where much of our content comes in from overseas. So it\u2019s wonderful now that through this legislation, we\u2019re making it easier for print-disabled Kiwis to access that material. We\u2019re broadening the definition so artistic works are also included, which will make a difference; replacing the current prescribed body with an authorised body, and that list will be made public. But as the last member said, the biggest issue that submitters made and that officials raised was around the issue of the commercial availability test. Now, I point out\u2014we saw the Library Association, the World Blind Union, Blind Citizens New Zealand, Universities New Zealand all make quite an impassioned plea for why the commercial availability test in section 69A should be revoked.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003ENow, we did grill the officials on this point because it\u2019s important to note that the commercial availability test is not required under the Marrakesh Treaty 2013. The treaty simply allows for a commercial availability test to be enacted. It\u2019s also important to note that only four countries have enacted the commercial availability test, out of the 51 countries that have so far acceded and signed up to the Marrakesh Treaty. So this commercial availability test, we asked the officials why they had drawn the line on the side of Australia, Singapore, Canada, and Japan but not the vast bulk\u2014most European Union countries, the United States, etc. They sort of said, \u201CWell, there wasn\u2019t strong evidence, and we sort of made a line call.\u201D, effectively, was the message. So I was really glad that I was able to push\u2014and other parties agreed\u2014to amend the legislation in the committee to remove this section 69A, the commercial availability test, because what I clearly heard from submitters was that there were significant problems with it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EWhat we heard from Universities New Zealand was that according to academic research of print-disabled students, only 50 percent of them actually can access accessible materials when they start their course. In fact, what they also found is many students face substantial delays. In some cases, and in New Zealand universities, students who were enrolled in a university course can\u2019t actually access the content of the course until the course has been complete\u2014makes an absolute mockery of the right to read and the ability for print-disabled Kiwis to participate in university courses. What Universities New Zealand told us was that it\u2019s incredibly onerous trying to find and access accessible content. It can take literal months, sending multiple emails to multiple providers, multiple publishers, sometimes not getting a response at all. It\u2019s incredibly expensive to make an accessible format of an academic text or a literature book, so it\u2019s a huge barrier for people to even participate in universities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EWhat we also heard was that\u2014I\u2019m trying to find it; it was quite a telling quote from Universities New Zealand which was how onerous the regime actually is. For example, many students, to try and access an accessible format under the current Copyright Act, buy a traditional non-accessible format because they need to have proof that they legitimately attempted to find a copy. So what you see is multiple Kiwis literally buying books which they have no intention to read; in fact, they have no ability to read, but they were forced under the current regime to buy it. So what we see is students lacking access, students are stymied, an incredible administrative burden on universities, and it actually taking, in some cases, until the course is over before they actually can access the content. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EAnother big challenge was there\u2019s no actual database; there\u2019s no shared classification regimes. So even if you\u2019re trying to access this content, both in New Zealand or overseas\u2014noting that you couldn\u2019t actually import this material until this legislation passes\u2014with the lack of shared databases, the lack of shared classification regimes, it\u2019s incredibly hard. So I thought that argument was incredibly compelling. For me, it was a moral argument. I want to make sure that print-disabled Kiwis get access to the material, can participate in society, can participate in universities. But here I\u2019d like to acknowledge the National Party and the contribution of Brett Hudson, who actually made quite a rational economic argument, because by removing the commercial availability test and allowing people to make their own accessible version of it, it\u2019s acting as an economic incentive on those producers, those content producers, at the get-go to make sure when they\u2019re publishing a book or an academic text to actually produce an accessible version. Look, people aren\u2019t going out making print or Braille versions of academic texts for a profit. It\u2019s incredibly time-consuming, incredibly expensive, and of course it\u2019s always going to be cheaper to do it at the same time you\u2019re publishing that content.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003ESo by removing the commercial availability test, we\u2019re not only making it easier for people to access the material\u2014they\u2019re not going to spend literally months trying to send multiple emails, not getting answers, trying to work out who even owns the copyright, which in some older academic texts can be essentially impossible\u2014but it\u2019s actually acting as an economic incentive for publishers to produce accessible versions. So I think that economic argument made a lot of sense. I really want to acknowledge the contribution there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EActually, what we\u2019re going to be doing is encouraging those producers\u2014only 10 percent are making accessible versions\u2014to get on and do the work. Now, by acceding to the Marrakesh Treaty, of course, while we allow ourselves to import material, it allows us to export material as well. So given we\u2019ve got some skills, and Universities New Zealand told us about the work that\u2019s already happening there, we could actually be exporting accessible formats. Of the Kiwis that are already doing the job, we can see more employed, which I think is a win-win. It\u2019s great for Kiwis and it\u2019s great for our economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255bb390e-f6c3-498c-bbf6-ea1a8fc993c7\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s important to point out that new section 69A, in clause 6, which the committee has added, does require an obligation to notify the copyright owner, so I don\u2019t think the sky\u2019s going to fall in, which I think, quite frankly, was the copyright association\u2019s Paula Browning\u2019s response. By allowing this ability to make an accessible copy but with the corresponding obligation to notify the rights holder, I think it\u2019s going to act as an incentive. What you\u2019re going to see is more material, more jobs, and more Kiwis being able to exercise their right to read. Kia ora koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022 data-id=\u002280f0d95a36d242e3a821b8709ebd3b00\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002280f0d95a36d242e3a821b8709ebd3b00\u0022\u003ELAWRENCE YULE (National\u2014Tukituki):\u003C/span\u003E It\u2019s a pleasure to take a call on this bill. I found this whole process quite fascinating really, because before I came to this House, I\u2019d really never given this issue any consideration. I do know, though, that if you can\u2019t read and you can\u2019t read what\u2019s written, it becomes quite difficult. As I get older, I find that if I leave my glasses behind or if I\u2019ve got a speech prepared\u2014I\u2019ve moved up to 18 font, because otherwise I have\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022764b3a3c740d42b4951c1b8b24524035\u0022\u003EHon Maggie Barry\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m on 22.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f7a30453e43f4743acce001cbfcad202\u0022\u003ELAWRENCE YULE\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019re on 22. Well, it\u2019s a progressive thing. I don\u2019t wish to belittle what we\u2019re trying to do here, but it does show me that, actually, how you communicate and what you read is really important. So this Marrakesh Treaty is a really good thing for this Parliament to move through the system and for us to adopt\u2014which the National Party had started\u2014because there are 168,000 people with print disabilities in New Zealand, and that\u2019s projected to grow as the population of people such as myself get older. These people actually deserve the right and have a right to full access to the resources that are available in comparative countries such as Australia, Canada, Chile, and Singapore, who have already signed up. An estimated 90 percent of all the written material in the world is not published in accessible forms such as Braille, audio, or large print. It is a massive amount of the material. I know computers have helped that because you can make the screen bigger and you can extend things, but in a written form it\u2019s really difficult for people as they get older.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003EThe Marrakesh Treaty will make it easier to share copyright. It was concluded on 28 June 2013 and entered into force on 30 September 2016 and is now coming before this House to be signed off. It will make a real difference to people\u2019s lives for those who use the resources, and I acknowledge the work of Gareth Hughes, the previous speaker, on the select committee who gave a very pragmatic view as to how things should be changed. We heard key organisations such as the Blind Foundation and Copyright Licensing New Zealand. They are working with the Government on initiatives to improve accessible forms of material for people with visual disabilities particularly. It\u2019s worthwhile noting that just this year the United Nations\u2019 first ever World Braille Day was held on 4 January, which is another significant achievement in the concept that this is really important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003EThis bill replaces the current concept of prescribed body with a new concept called an authorised entity. It explicitly provides for the import and export of accessible format copies from and to the authorised entities in other Marrakesh Treaty countries. It extends the definition of the works covered by the copyright exemption to include artistic works.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003EI do wish to talk about the removal of the commercial availability test. Once again, I acknowledge Gareth Hughes for leading us through that in the select committee. There was a debate about that as to whether that would make a real difference, but on balance we believe it does. I note that most other Marrakesh Treaty countries do not have a commercial availability test and it\u2019s not actually a requirement; it\u2019s an option. So the only countries that have it are Australia, Singapore, Canada, and Japan. It seemed sensible for us at the select committee, and it\u2019s carrying through in the legislation, that given the relatively high cost of producing accessible format copies, there is actually a strong incentive for those that are producing the material to consider commercially available options to copy that. It is not easily available. It is not a real form, and it\u2019s not a real possibility, actually, to transfer vast amounts of existing material into a format that\u2019s available in either Braille or large print. It can be done, but it\u2019s expensive, time-consuming, and, as the previous speaker said, in a whole lot of university material in courses, often that material is not available.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220c51564f-6c6e-45cc-adab-f15b6c831fce\u0022\u003ESo because this is a cheaper option, going forward, it\u2019s my hope that a lot of this material as it\u2019s produced will now make its way into Braille, large format - type form at the time of production. This is going to take a while to work through the system, but it is my view that this is a very worthwhile thing for us to do\u2014and I\u2019m not trying to look after my future when I\u2019m 90 and need something like this. But for the people who are suffering now from visual disabilities, this will make a real difference. It\u2019s not costing us anything; it\u2019s providing a regulatory framework across the globe and I\u2019m happy to support this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022 data-id=\u002277795974b2da4e0e9b97d343fab23a9b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002277795974b2da4e0e9b97d343fab23a9b\u0022\u003EPRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. It is actually a real pleasure to stand and take a call at the second reading of the Copyright (Marrakesh Treaty Implementation) Amendment Bill, because, at the end of the day, this bill is about equity. It\u2019s about\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4e03771ee4c40878035a1e3ad24d813\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: My apologies, it is a split call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e5ceae5b71d4d8a968ba5b065d50961\u0022\u003EPRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, yes, it is a split call. So this bill is ultimately, at the heart of it, about equity. It\u2019s about us as a nation being able to accede to the Marrakesh Treaty, which will then facilitate published works to be published in a format that is accessible to those with a print disability. That\u2019s what this bill, ultimately, is about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003ENow, only 10 percent of all written materials published internationally are actually published in formats that are accessible to people with a print disability. This particular bill will allow us to amend the Copyright Act 1994 that we currently have, in order for us to, as I mentioned previously, accede to this treaty, that is a multilateral treaty that was negotiated by the World Intellectual Property Organization specifically to ensure that those with a print disability have increased access to the types of materials that they need to remove some of the barriers that they experience to participation in public life, in employment opportunities, and in educational opportunities, and actually allow them to participate fully, as is their right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EAs we\u2019ve heard, 55 countries have actually signed up to this treaty. Given that this is a second reading, one of the main amendments from the Economic Development, Science and Innovation Committee was the removal of the commercial availability test. But my colleague Gareth Hughes has actually laid out, in a lot of detail, the rationale behind removing that, as was the recommendation of the committee and as is in this bill. So I don\u2019t feel the need to traverse that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll just finish by saying that, once again, this is about access, it\u2019s about reducing cost, and it\u2019s about equity. I\u2019m very happy to commend this bill to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022 data-id=\u002276512f76ac66416db115107dbab48587\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002276512f76ac66416db115107dbab48587\u0022\u003EHon MAGGIE BARRY (National\u2014North Shore):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. It is with pleasure that I rise to speak at the second reading of the Copyright (Marrakesh Treaty Implementation) Amendment Bill. It is not a bill I\u2019ve known a great deal about; I wasn\u2019t on the Economic Development, Science and Innovation Committee. I\u2019ve been listening to the other calls with great interest, because as the spokesperson for disabilities and as someone who has more than a passing interest in, sometimes, the plight of seniors or those who are visually impaired, this particular mechanism seems to me to be a very sensible worldwide initiative that we need to do what we\u2019re doing with now, which is to put it into our legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EThe fact that it has been a long time coming\u2014it was very interesting looking back on its history, because it was, back in October 2015, that the then National Government released that first discussion document, and it was to seek feedback from New Zealanders as to whether this was worthwhile, whether we should look at it just for visual impairment or perhaps broaden it out to people who have hearing disabilities, and so forth. But the original intent of the Copyright Amendment Bill was that those matters should not be encompassed and captured within National\u2019s\u2014you know what I mean by that: nationwide legislation for each of the countries that want to do it. So the area around examining, for example, whether people with hearing impairment should do it\u2014I know the select committee had nine submissions, they talked about considering and broadening those changes, but because it was so much outside the scope of the wider review of the Copyright Act that\u2019s currently in progress, it was decided not to do it. So while that may be an ample opportunity for legislation in the future\u2014I think it was important that it was discussed\u2014there is still more work to be done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EBut talking about the visual aspects, in particular, it does appear to me that this select committee process has really robustly tested all of the issues that might be likely to come back to bite us, as it were, as a Parliament if we did not consider them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EThe commercial availability test, which was referred to by my colleague Lawrence Yule a few moments ago, was something that I thought might be a barrier and might need to be addressed. But again, the rigour of the select committee process has meant that that has been discounted\u2014and for very good reasons, which he went into. I think the idea that it would disadvantage print-disabled people disproportionately and the copyright holders themselves would benefit from it is an extremely good reason why we would not want to go down that track. But, again, it is in the engine room of the legislation, at select committee, that a lot of this stuff is teased out and unintended consequences are explored. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EI think when we look at what happened in the progress of this bill, it\u2019s also started some very interesting conversations. So it was in June 2017 that the National Government announced that New Zealand would join the treaty with Parliament to complete the examination process. So that was duly considered, the public consultation and the analysis which was prepared by the Commerce Committee of the 51st Parliament. So this is something that has gone through a number of select committees and so probably the rigour of the process has been even more than usual. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EBut when you look at the number of people that have print disabilities, 168,000 of them\u2014of course that will grow as the population ages and as the visually impaired in our societies and communities continue to grow. The fact is that they might be isolated without the access and the fairness which has underpinned a lot of the policies that we did as a National Government under the Hon Nicky Wagner and Enabling Good Lives. We want the one in four New Zealanders who have disabilities\u2014and, you know, it is a particularly difficult disability when people are unable to see what\u2019s going on. But this is very much at the heart of, and in keeping with, the principles that we really want to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003ESo changes that are required to the Copyright Act needed to be carefully considered and I think replacing the concept of \u201Cprescribed body\u201D with this new concept of \u201Cauthorised entity\u201D is a very sound way to futureproof this particular legislation. And as well as that, it is explicitly providing for the import and export of accessible format copies from and to the authorised entities. Again, it\u2019s making the passage of the work more accessible and more readily able to happen electronically as well as in paper form. So I think that when we look at clarifying the definition of \u201Cprint disability\u201D, which is open to interpretation, there will be of course individuals who have a visual impairment or a perceptual or reading disability which just cannot be improved. So, you know, again we need a similar function without the impairment. It is important that as legislators we consider all of these things and on balance\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022fc58309ca7f545c9b5434f060bc1d807\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fc58309ca7f545c9b5434f060bc1d807\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s time has lapsed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022 data-id=\u0022e3a9f168860449de973d8dfee85f67ae\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e3a9f168860449de973d8dfee85f67ae\u0022\u003EDr DEBORAH RUSSELL (Labour\u2014New Lynn):\u003C/span\u003E I have just joined the select committee which examined this bill and so I have just taken a look at some of the submissions that have come in. I am, in particular, looking at the submission from the Blind Foundation, where in their submission they say that one of the benefits of this bill is it will help to end the book famine that print-disabled people still face. I think that is a critical advantage of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003ELast year, a young woman came to see me in my electorate. She was working with the Parliamentary Champions for Accessibility Legislation and she spoke to me about the difficulties she faces as a university student trying to access textbooks which she can use. This legislation helps to address that issue in particular and that is why I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022 data-id=\u00221060245a927b4b6eb3f08c3d9a6fd3a8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221060245a927b4b6eb3f08c3d9a6fd3a8\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR (National\u2014T\u0101maki):\u003C/span\u003E Oh, look, I\u2019m delighted to take a call, Madam Speaker, and I\u2019m sure my colleague across the House Kieran McAnulty is as well. Look, this is a fantastic piece of legislation, and in some ways one could argue long overdue\u2014long overdue\u2014before the House. I don\u2019t say it with any political shot, if you will, at any particular party, but the Marrakesh Treaty is really important both in and of itself in what it does, but I think symbolically too about New Zealand\u2014that it actually is working as hard as it can and however it needs to to actually embrace those who have disabilities in our communities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EWe term it the Marrakesh Treaty. It\u2019s shorthand of course for the Marrakesh Treaty to Facilitate Access to Published Works for Persons Who are Blind, Visually Impaired, or Otherwise Print Disabled. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EI think, for me, first and foremost, it\u2019s actually refreshing in this House to have a treaty that we are moving through domestic legislation that actually accurately describes what it\u2019s about. Particularly when it comes to matters of blindness, it\u2019s always very easy for us to think that it is just, literally, completely and utterly blind, but if you engage with the likes of the Blind Foundation, you\u2019ll understand, as I\u2019m sure the House does, that there\u2019s many people out there with visual impairments and otherwise. I think we\u2019re up to\u2014actually, I\u2019m not going to quote the numbers because I may get that wrong, but it\u2019s a substantial number of New Zealanders in that space. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EWhat the bill seeks to do\u2014and I think the Economic Development, Science and Innovation Committee, if I understand it correctly, led by Gareth Hughes, has done a very comprehensive look over this, but not, either, slowing down the progress of the bill to bring it here today. What it\u2019s, effectively, trying to do, and other speakers have very eloquently touched on it, is remove what\u2019s been a copyright problem for years in New Zealand and, granted, across other jurisdictions around the world, where the cost, and, in fact, even the ability, to bring in documents which those who are blind or visually impaired can use has been prohibitive, incredibly expensive\u2014in fact, prohibitive to the point that it\u2019s just not feasible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ENew Zealand\u2019s existing copyright laws do allow the likes of the Blind Foundation and others to take a document and to turn it into something that is far more accessible. Of course, Braille comes to mind as one means, and I want to stress that that\u2019s one means; we, obviously, have the, sort of, more vocally oriented texts. To do that takes time and it takes money, and particularly in our more modern world and environment, it almost goes without saying there\u2019s an expectation that we should be able to jump online and access the world\u2019s resources. But the major fact that we have to bring into focus here\u2014no pun intended\u2014is that this treaty allows now the likes of the Blind Foundation, Macular Degeneration New Zealand, and others to seek texts from overseas and not to incur the costs that go along with that and, really importantly, not to have an infringement of the Copyright Act. So that\u2019s the heart of it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EIt would go without saying, and I know it will have come through the select committee\u2014I, sadly, as others indicated, haven\u2019t sat on this current select committee. We did look at the Marrakesh Treaty in the previous Parliament when I was on a select committee where I particularly picked up on it. I also had the good privilege back then of sitting on the Health Committee, so the likes of the Blind Foundation, Macular Degeneration New Zealand, and others would come and talk to me about it\u2014so somewhat familiar. What the bill is doing is\u2014well, sorry, I\u2019ve gone off on a different tangent briefly. The Blind Foundation, the likes of Macular Degeneration New Zealand, and copyright groups in New Zealand are all supportive of this. That\u2019s no surprise. It\u2019s nothing particularly new. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ESo I think it\u2019s really good, again, that the committee has engaged with those views. They haven\u2019t made any really substantial changes, and that, again, is not taking away from the work that was done. I think the treaty itself is pretty straightforward, and, as I often stress in the House, at this second reading, when there\u2019s an international treaty, and New Zealand has signed up to the international treaty of Marrakesh, we need to put it in some domestic legislation to bring it about. So, really, what this is doing is changing section 69 of the Copyright Act to fundamentally make it legal, permissible, possible for a New Zealand individual and institution to take a written word, for example, to take a book, and turn it into something that is far more accessible. So I think that\u2019s incredibly, incredibly positive. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EI should add, actually, that the Blind Foundation\u2019s advocacy on this has been incredibly strong. I think they\u2019ve been, probably, and understandably, the strongest advocates for it. If I might\u2014and it will only take me 20 seconds to\u2014acknowledge Sandra Budd. She is actually, after 12 years, the outgoing chief executive of the Blind Foundation. Sadly, in a way, she\u2019s resigned\u2014or stepped away, not resigned; sorry, Sandra\u2014only a few weeks ago from this role. She has been, in those years, a tireless, tireless advocate. So Sandra, can I acknowledge the work that you do and, obviously, those who remain, like Dianne Rogers and others. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ELook, what is fundamentally important here is that we have thousands of New Zealanders whose lives will be improved solidly by this bill. As I have mentioned before, I think it\u2019s well over time that we\u2019ve brought this out. It\u2019ll be a challenge beyond the treaty itself and our discussions here in the House tonight to make sure that this Parliament itself adopts, in fact, the principles of the Marrakesh Treaty. Why I say the principles is that we\u2019re not talking about what we can and cannot do\u2014we have the ability of this House to translate, for want of a better word, our documents into a variety of forms\u2014but, actually, that this House becomes far more accessible for people. So what we can do symbolically is going to be very, very important\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u00223789eda1bd764e2b89f4114ee2a2c138\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223789eda1bd764e2b89f4114ee2a2c138\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I am terribly sorry to interrupt that amazing speech, but the debate is interrupted and is set down for resumption next sitting day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 6 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id201907258ddfc0d532f743109de5e895db945904000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"